Monday morning Stock Market prediction....

[Karma Ninja]

I find it interesting the way the current financial news was delivered to the public.

In the business world, managers are asked to not fire or dismiss employees on Fridays, as studies show that the rate of suicide goes up. Something about giving people the remainder of the week to get going with their lives or get help as opposed to letting them stew over their misfortune all weekend.

This is the stock market equivalent of firing someone on the weekend.

1st there was the turmoil and fairly major downturn of world markets last week.

2nd was the Friday downgrade of the US and Israeli credit rating by S&P.

3rd was a whole weekend of mulling over the terrible state of affairs and reaction from world leaders and the public regarding those affairs. The news has been incredibly dour and depressing in the mainstream... (Here in the conspiracy world we have seen this coming for years...)

Aren't we set up for a huge negative downswing on Monday when most major markets resume trading?

What do people think? Are we heading for a Black Monday or will things just carry on more or less as usual? I am interested in this forums thoughts...

[Lost Soul]

I think so. Got gold?

[Karma Ninja]

I assume you refer to the market crash portion of my question and YES I bought gold a few years back when George Green gave an interview suggesting to do so... Best investment I ever made and still the strongest single performing stock since I made the decision.


I think so. Got gold?

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The market is dust. Hope you can eat that gold or find nourishment chipping off pieces.

We might have to all get along and love one another, so bartering will be possible. This ending of the old means a new beginning!

[Arrowwind]

Well last time this or something like this happened in 2008 many people dumped stock and were forever impoverished. Those who purchased did very well.

We are still a huge economic power. I don't think this is the end. Being facisous here - we just need another war to get us going. You know, WWII style. Where we manufacture everything ourselves. We would have to as we can't afford to purchase from others anymore. And if we stop funding the military exploits of others we might win. :rolleyes: Im sure there are those who are thinking in these potential reality terms.

Linda Goodman, remember her? She said way back in the early 70's that the USA would go into a decline and isolate itself from the rest of the world to a degree for some years as it wrestles to rebuild its internal driving force. She said we would pull through this time eventually.

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So what do you have to barter with Darla, and how many do you support?

[Lost Soul]

Darla - you're absolutely right about the shiny stuff. Spiritual salvation should be everyone's #1 priority in these coming times. I've maintained that perspective consistently at this forum. Having clean air, food and water are #2 and if there's surplus capital, to preserve it one should buy the shiny stuff instead of putting it on the card table we call the market. There will be an investment trend and it won't be to generate wealth but rather to preserve it. People are awakening to the fact that the markets are rigged and that their currency may be monetized into worthlesness ala Weimar Germany's mark or Zimbabwe's dollar. Putting it in the bank is safe, but you can watch it devalue as the money is monetized and the earned interest will not keep up with the demonetization rate.

That's very small potatoes though. The big fish is spirituality. It's the only real prize worth going after in this (deliberately created) sea of confusion.

[Karma Ninja]

Darla - you're absolutely right about the shiny stuff. Spiritual salvation should be everyone's #1 priority in these coming times. I've maintained that perspective consistently at this forum. Having clean air, food and water are #2 and if there's surplus capital, to preserve it one should buy the shiny stuff instead of putting it on the card table we call the market. There will be an investment trend and it won't be to generate wealth but rather to preserve it. People are awakening to the fact that the markets are rigged and that their currency may be monetized into worthlesness ala Weimar Germany's mark or Zimbabwe's dollar. Putting it in the bank is safe, but you can watch it devalue as the money is monetized and the earned interest will not keep up with the demonetization rate.

That's very small potatoes though. The big fish is spirituality. It's the only real prize worth going after in this (deliberately created) sea of confusion.


The market is dust. Hope you can eat that gold or find nourishment chipping off pieces.

We might have to all get along and love one another, so bartering will be possible. This ending of the old means a new beginning!

I should thank you for pointing this out as I tend to move to the question I am posing and it's implications without concern for the appearance. It seems like fear mongering to simply ask about a Black Monday or the possibilities.

The soul or species and their journey are the most important pieces of the puzzle. I also do not fear what a recession/depression might bring as I embrace and desire a significant change in our way of living. Like you say Darla my dear, out with the old and in with the new.

I know that market related threads rarely pan out on here but I just though it was interesting the way the deck has been stacked for this coming week being a huge down week for the markets.

Thanks for all your thoughts so far...keep 'em coming!

[WhiteFeather]

As Alex Collier States "War is not the answer, it is never the solution". So Perhaps we should consciously and collectively let go of this false system that we have been so very persuaded and falsely mislead into by TPTB and or The So Called Elite Liars/Rulers Of The World. And lets perhaps reinvent our world that way it should be. Peace, Love and Unity of Mankind Together As One. Its just a thought away and were almost half way there. What we think, we become. And I Hope this false system thats been going on way too long, goes down the crapper this week.
~Be Love~ Whitefeather

*The sound of the toilet flushing!

[Lefty Dave]

Once the market was corrupted at the turn of the century, there is no way to predict what it will do..many indices are no longer available to the public, and sinister forces intervene,
It should correct heavily,as interest rates should rise as a result of the lowering of our ratings, which will change the picture for most fort 500 corps,
however, those in charge of world events may consider it business as usual...and only minor fluctuations may occur...as forces within will fight any 'correction'...
We'll soon see...

ps I thought they would use CME's to interupt power supplies and keep markets closed...(that's how far out my mind takes me these days)...LOL blessings

[Karma Ninja]

Once the market was corrupted at the turn of the century, there is no way to predict what it will do..many indices are no longer available to the public, and sinister forces intervene,
It should correct heavily,as interest rates should rise as a result of the lowering of our ratings, which will change the picture for most fort 500 corps,
however, those in charge of world events may consider it business as usual...and only minor fluctuations may occur...as forces within will fight any 'correction'...
We'll soon see...

ps I thought they would use CME's to interupt power supplies and keep markets closed...(that's how far out my mind takes me these days)...LOL blessings

I agree the sways and flows are artificially created. The majority of currency in circulation doesn't exist in reality. I think the bulk of people are hoping for a correction but the one thing I've learned about this beast called fear is it is a hungry animal and it always needs feeding.

[TigaHawk]

My apologies to all the people here whom have invested in stocks and are suffering because of this market crash for what im about to say.


"Thats what you get for investing in something imaginary?"


Honest.... The stock market is not real. It's a bunch of imaginary numbers dictated by a non-imaginary bunch of goons that can be influenced by imaginary things. Not a wise thing to put you're money into...................... A Term deposit at the bank would have been smarter :S


(I know my parents have lost out on this also - believe me ive told them the exact same thing...)

[jagman]

If the markets start to crash monday ( PLEASE DONT PANIC )!! If people start to panic, There will be a run on the banks and we will repeat
1929 crash! Please stay calm!

[humanalien]

My apologies to all the people here whom have invested in stocks and are suffering because of this market crash for what im about to say.


"Thats what you get for investing in something imaginary?"


Honest.... The stock market is not real. It's a bunch of imaginary numbers dictated by a non-imaginary bunch of goons that can be influenced by imaginary things. Not a wise thing to put you're money into...................... A Term deposit at the bank would have been smarter :S


(I know my parents have lost out on this also - believe me ive told them the exact same thing...)


Money isn't real either...

[astrid]

Think food and water first, rather than gold.

Seeds are the new gold.

But of course this is not news to most of us here.

It's called the tipping point,

It's why we are all here.

Please keep your centre.

[ghostrider]

the stock market what a sham ! it depends who has money and where, if the so called elites are angry with someone , whatever they or the company they represent has money in it will be shown in a negative light, spooking investers, and thus selling off of the stock begins, blah blah becomes risky stock goes down, some poor sap loses lots of cash and the elites gain a foothold to strong arm said company and keep the illusion of my way or the highway going, and the elites investments become the cats meow and everyone buys and stock goes up, ehummm... our poor foolio is quite lucritave follow us we know best, we are masters of the universe blah blah break out the brandy and cigars..... it's just paper and smack talk they manipulate news to create fear or steer money where THEY want it to go. it's A SHAM.... sadly the rest of the world builds their playhouse around what talking head news jockeys spew out about the SHAM MARKET ... ehummm.. today investors are worried blah blah, or in a move to shore up a shaky world market investors are doing blah blah.... it's a sham no matter what.

[TigaHawk]

My apologies to all the people here whom have invested in stocks and are suffering because of this market crash for what im about to say.


"Thats what you get for investing in something imaginary?"


Honest.... The stock market is not real. It's a bunch of imaginary numbers dictated by a non-imaginary bunch of goons that can be influenced by imaginary things. Not a wise thing to put you're money into...................... A Term deposit at the bank would have been smarter :S


(I know my parents have lost out on this also - believe me ive told them the exact same thing...)


Money isn't real either...



Money has a physical form, which is the notes and coins which we have. It's value is partialy dictated by the stockmarket - which is imaginary.

Royalty is Imaginary. Yet we seem to honor that as well.

So is "Jesus" and all the other lot. If there is a supreme being i dare not dishonor them by calling em someone elses name, i'll wait till i meet them and ask politely to know their name ;)

Alot of the money we have is imaginary also, rather than you physically have it - its held in imaginary numbers inside a computer. If there were to be a CME....... bye bye "youre" imaginary money. And people will care not for a paper note 3 months after all electronics are dead. A piece of paper will not feed their belly, clothe them or help them survive, unless they burn it for warmth.

Gold is no good, pretty metal but utterly useless for anything other than vanity items or electronics - which will be worthless.

Silver is good. I'd melt that down into water jugs and containers and use it purely for holding water, or to suck on in hopes it does the same as drinking collidial silver water :P


I agree with Astrid, Seeds are the new gold. I have a nice pack or heirloom organic seeds, to cover a wide range of foods. Popcorn included ^ ^

Salt would be another good one.

If you will miss your'e music - i suggest getting a copper pole and attaching it to the ground cable of you're microwave, then burying it quite deep. Ensure mr Microwave is sealed so no water can get in. Put in a MP3 player, such as an ipod - speakers and/or headphones - and a solar charger inside - along with any other electronics (somethign to tell the time and date? Ipod loaded up with how-to books?) you can find handy.

I also recommend "When Technology Fails" by Matthew Stein. That book, because of the knowledge in it, is invaluable.

http://www.whentechfails.com/


Everything that will be worth anything of value, will come from you're head, you're heart, and you're hands.

[Karma Ninja]

While it is good that we are all aware that the money being traded in the markets is a carefully designed lie, we should remain aware that real changes and impacts could effect a lot of people. I am hopeful that this will lead to a better, more caring world to live in.

At the same time I don't want to undervalue the importance of the markets when it comes to jobs, health, stress and way of life. Currently all Eastern and Asian markets have begun Monday trading down a few percentage points. Today could be another roller coaster ride!

I should also say that this system is so broken, it needs fixing and only a massive change can start the ball rolling. Once it builds up momentum it can be the awesome change we want to see.

[TigaHawk]

The change that i can see coming will be a bumpy road.

The people that run the show continue to do the best they can do drive us poor. I think they've forgotten, or gotten overconfident and arrogant, what happens to people when they're pushed into a corner with nowhere to go. They will fight back for their rights, their freedoms and their humanity. To do that, they'll take on the ones that drove them into that corner.

[Karma Ninja]

The change that i can see coming will be a bumpy road.

The people that run the show continue to do the best they can do drive us poor. I think they've forgotten, or gotten overconfident and arrogant, what happens to people when they're pushed into a corner with nowhere to go. They will fight back for their rights, their freedoms and their humanity. To do that, they'll take on the ones that drove them into that corner.

I agree about the bumpy part. We are all so locked into this way of living that it will be torture for some people. Imagine people who identify themselves by their possessions being reduced to nothing and needing to rebuild.

Here in Canada it feels like a hand slowly wringing the water out of a huge sponge. I see an elimination of our middle class and the same corruption here as I read about in the States. It's just seems slower and more methodical.

[58andfixed]

We are pretty much done with this 'spill off' that has been in the works since last February.

Maybe another week or so of downside as the last to find out exit equities, as with every other fear generated event.

Joseph Stiglitz introduced an idea that was counter to the 'the markets solve discrepancies' economic disinformation perpetrated by Universities with the" Information Asymmetry" many have come to discover here on PA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_asymmetry

".. information asymmetry deals with the study of decisions in transactions where one party has more or better information than the other. This creates an imbalance of power in transactions which can sometimes cause the transactions to go awry."

Clif High at Half Past Human has been attempting to re-balance this asymmetry, but it's been a tough row to hoe, and many have difficulty believing or comprehending what he discovers. He was onto the 'financial disaster' way back in January.

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/

So now it's in the news, you can pretty much bet that this event is pretty much baked in the oven, and is about to be placed on the resting rack.

'Big Blue' equities will be higher by September, certainly higher by next summer/fall for the election. Interest rates will increase a lot less than people would expect given the current downgrade, but only until after the 2012 election is all wrapped up with a pretty ribbon.

Right now there are mixed messages between price of oil, platinum, palladium & silver versus gold. Expect to be surprised. Guessing short term the USD Index drop has pretty much had it's run. A guess that JPY was pushed this hard to stem the flow from the country. Global turmoil. Details can confuse the bigger picture.

After 2012 you can pretty much bend over and expect the trend for more people on food stamps to continue as it has been building since the mid-1990s. :(

For Monday though, both Shangai & the Nikkei are both down and that will be the lead for the NYSE, not that there is any rules they need to follow.

- 58

[Calz]

Looks like the festivities are all set to commence ...


U.S. Stock Futures
Data as of 7:25am ET

S&P -25.50 / -2.13%
Level 1,172.30

Nasdaq -50.25 / -2.30%
Level 2,136.75

Dow -221.00 / -1.94%
Level 11,181.00

http://money.cnn.com/data/premarket/

[Wiremu2011]

If the markets start to crash monday ( PLEASE DONT PANIC )!! If people start to panic, There will be a run on the banks and we will repeat
1929 crash! Please stay calm!

I appreciate your enthusiasm :)

[eaglespirit]

And so it goes...the wake up call echos---echos--echos-echos in every arena : )

Unconditional Love with Wisdom in every Thought, Word and Action Possible...
Imagine the Possibilities...Natural Abundance in a World of Giving!

[Tane Mahuta]

If the markets start to crash monday ( PLEASE DONT PANIC )!! If people start to panic, There will be a run on the banks and we will repeat
1929 crash! Please stay calm!


Well said jagman, (DON'T PANIC)!!


TM

[Karma Ninja]

We are pretty much done with this 'spill off' that has been in the works since last February.

Maybe another week or so of downside as the last to find out exit equities, as with every other fear generated event.

Joseph Stiglitz introduced an idea that was counter to the 'the markets solve discrepancies' economic disinformation perpetrated by Universities with the" Information Asymmetry" many have come to discover here on PA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_asymmetry

".. information asymmetry deals with the study of decisions in transactions where one party has more or better information than the other. This creates an imbalance of power in transactions which can sometimes cause the transactions to go awry."

Clif High at Half Past Human has been attempting to re-balance this asymmetry, but it's been a tough row to hoe, and many have difficulty believing or comprehending what he discovers. He was onto the 'financial disaster' way back in January.

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/

So now it's in the news, you can pretty much bet that this event is pretty much baked in the oven, and is about to be placed on the resting rack.

'Big Blue' equities will be higher by September, certainly higher by next summer/fall for the election. Interest rates will increase a lot less than people would expect given the current downgrade, but only until after the 2012 election is all wrapped up with a pretty ribbon.

Right now there are mixed messages between price of oil, platinum, palladium & silver versus gold. Expect to be surprised. Guessing short term the USD Index drop has pretty much had it's run. A guess that JPY was pushed this hard to stem the flow from the country. Global turmoil. Details can confuse the bigger picture.

After 2012 you can pretty much bend over and expect the trend for more people on food stamps to continue as it has been building since the mid-1990s. :(

For Monday though, both Shangai & the Nikkei are both down and that will be the lead for the NYSE, not that there is any rules they need to follow.

- 58

It is so true that there are no rules to follow as this is how these market and banking crooks are able to get away with robbing the people.

However the downturn in the Monday morning Asian markets may have been a late correction from the previous weeks turmoil. European markets are reacting to some reassurances from leaders and are rallying a little. I hope there is a way to bring about this change without hurting anyone. Markets are still tight as I head off to work this fine morning.

[astrid]

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/06/news/international/sp_rating_countries_with_aaa/index.htm?iid=HP_River

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/08/06/news/international/sp_rating_countries_with_aaa/aaa-club2.top.gif

These 15 countries (and the Isle of Man) have the world's highest credit rating, AAA from both Moody's and Standard & Poor's.
The U.S. lost that high standing Friday, when S&P downgraded it to a AA+ rating.

[Calz]

Don't panic ... okay let's make this *real* simple ...

Markets are heavily manipulated ... always have been.

For the markets to completely crash means all the corporations (and the banksters who hold controlling interest therein) are finally going down.

If that happens ... that would *truly* be a good thing.

Not likely to happen today ... so hold on tight and remember ... "it's only just a ride"


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[Calz]

Bring in the clowns ... nothing to see here folks ... keep on shopping.


Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama presented a reassuring assessment of the U.S. economic situation Monday, calling the country's problems "imminently solvable."

Obama spoke as the Dow dropped as much as 411 points as investors reacted to Friday's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating from AAA to AA+ by Standard & Poor's.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/08/obama.economy/index.html?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1



Breaking News Dow drops 450 points, falling below 11,000 for first time since last November, as sell-off extends.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/08/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?iid=Lead



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7criyE09uy0&feature=related

[Calz]

Dow down more than 600 points ...

System is still alive ... but remember "they" can make as much money going down as up (actually from a few years trading futures as a "hobby" I can tell you it is easier).

But that is okay ... we are having fun on "the ride" today so here is another reminder ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxGPI1Uvlg

[Karma Ninja]

Dow down more than 600 points ...

System is still alive ... but remember "they" can make as much money going down as up (actually from a few years trading futures as a "hobby" I can tell you it is easier).

But that is okay ... we are having fun on "the ride" today so here is another reminder ...


What happened today will probably continue through the week. Fear as I mentioned earlier in this post is a hungry beast and it learns to even feed itself. Investors are nervous. There is little to be overly concerned about but being prepared is a good fallback option. This is day one of the beginning of the week the stock market crashed...again.

I love how Obama tries to say that the S&P ratings change (from AAA to AA+) was not accurate, when a few years ago he tried to hold the same credit ratings company responsible for allowing the mess in 2008 to happen. Now S&P are doing there job, and being realistic about the American debt situation, and he comes out with a statement that they are wrong. The joke is on the people who believe all this crap...

I pray the pain felt by all is short and forgetable...

Peace