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eridu43
9th August 2011, 05:15
I wanted to give the portrait of Maria Orsic of the Vril Gesellschaft a hand-colored look, so I fired up Photoshop and had a go at it. Feel free to use my version on the web or in publications, at no charge. Just give me a small credit if time allows.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/292/mariaorsic.gif

Best,
Doug Farrell
Author of "Glamour Job: A Fairy-tale for Grown-ups"

NeverMind
9th August 2011, 07:22
Very beautiful work (and beautiful woman).
However, there is no way this (I mean the original) is a 1921 photo. It has all the hallmarks of a late 1960s photo, but could be even later if done in a "retro" style.

I would be willing to stake my professional reputation on it, that's how confident I am that it is not a 1921 - or 1931, or even 1961 - photo.
Of course since I will not reveal my identity or current line of work, I have nothing to lose, so this is for emphasis only. :)
But that's how seriously I mean it.

Tane Mahuta
9th August 2011, 08:32
She's beautiful!.....has she got an email address? Jus wondering


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Calz
9th August 2011, 12:03
FWIW these are two photos I had pulled up for other threads. I know she had super long hair (attributing it as enhancing her psychic ability) so I expect at least the one on the left is legit.


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eridu43
9th August 2011, 12:30
Very beautiful work (and beautiful woman).
However, there is no way this (I mean the original) is a 1921 photo. It has all the hallmarks of a late 1960s photo, but could be even later if done in a "retro" style.

I would be willing to stake my professional reputation on it, that's how confident I am that it is not a 1921 - or 1931, or even 1961 - photo.
Of course since I will not reveal my identity or current line of work, I have nothing to lose, so this is for emphasis only. :)
But that's how seriously I mean it.

I cannot speak to the authenticity of the original picture. I was compelled to find the source picture by after seeing it on episode of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. The episode featured a segment on the Thule Society and the Nazi Bell.

Here's the picture I colorized for those who haven't seen it before.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7057/mariaorsic.jpg

Here's the website where I found it.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/Maria_Orsic_01.html

Calz
9th August 2011, 12:38
I found the post of one of the photos but it appears I got the photo from another site without listing it.

Anyway ... I do remember seeing the photo you enhanced as well. No idea which (if any of the 3) is legit. We do have many confirmations of the lengthy hair.


Excellent thread Omni,

There was a lot of confirmation of this that came up when researching the psychics of the Vril Society that (allegedly) contacted the Annunaki (or Aryans) in a distant star system.


But unlike the other two groups the Vril Gesellschaft were an inner circle of women who were also fighting against their times and culture. They were psychic mediums that wore a horse-tail hairstyle. They believed that their long hair acted as cosmic antennae to receive alien communication from beyond. which started post-WWI with Thule medium Maria Orsic.

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

(do a search on "vril orsic hair" and you come up with bunches of sites)

*** adding photo of Maria Orsic from another site ***

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eridu43
9th August 2011, 12:46
FWIW these are two photos I had pulled up for other threads. I know she had super long hair (attributing it as enhancing her psychic ability) so I expect at least the one on the left is legit.

The one on the left if usually labeled as being a picture of one of Maria's fellow mediums in the Vril Gesellschaft, "Traute A." And yes, the story I've heard several times is that there was a group of female mediums in the Vril inner circle who had super long hair worn in a long ponytail -- to act as an amplifier to their spirit connection. Traute A. is listed as being in that inner circle.

Forevernyt
9th August 2011, 13:05
FWIW these are two photos I had pulled up for other threads. I know she had super long hair (attributing it as enhancing her psychic ability) so I expect at least the one on the left is legit.


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The picture in the lower right is an actress named Claudia Black and I believe that this particular image may have come from one of the later Stargate SG1 episodes.

I know this for a fact, because I absolutely LOVE Claudia Black, being a huge Farscape fan.

Corncrake
9th August 2011, 13:26
Thanks for posting this - I had not come across Maria Orsic before and have now spent several happy hours researching her and the Vril. Very tempted to get the book by Maximillien de Lafayette but I already have so much to read .... Regarding the photograph it does look quite modern - especially if you compare it to photographs of her contemporaries such as Eva Braun or Unity Mitford .


Source: http://connect.in.com/eva-braun/photos-eva-braun-671581eb95e8e6f6.html

eridu43
9th August 2011, 13:41
Forevernyt, you are soooo right. I just found the same shot in question on a website that sells fan pics. It is indeed Claudia Black!

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1779/stargate0294.jpg

Here's the website.

http://marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/StoreFrontProfiles/DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sid=1&sfid=175875&c=847310&i=247183983

Forevernyt
9th August 2011, 14:02
I had no doubts. ;)

And for what it's worth, my artistic eye says the hair on the other image is painted on. I could be wrong but there doesn't appear to be any shadowing in the hair at all.

Sierra
9th August 2011, 15:21
I KNEW that was Claudia Black from Farscape! <and Stargate ...>

Corncrake, I've bought a couple of the Maximillien de Lafayette books ... you might want to save your money lol ... if you've read one, you've read them all, lots of regurgitation across publications and ooh whoever his editor is whoh, baaaad job! (At least spell check your books dude!) Way overpriced and all Mr. Lafayette does for two or three inches per book is quote little snippets from here and there. You are not much better informed after reading a Lafayette book except you now know these things exist. And he mentions every thing in every book ... to try remembering which Lafayette book said what, is an exercise in futility.

Corncrake
9th August 2011, 16:45
Sierra. Thanks so much for the advice - really appreciate it. I have a small stack of books here I wish I had not bought! Amazon reviews are not to be trusted unless there are heaps of them saying the same thing! :(

eridu43
10th August 2011, 15:51
Very beautiful work (and beautiful woman).
However, there is no way this (I mean the original) is a 1921 photo. It has all the hallmarks of a late 1960s photo, but could be even later if done in a "retro" style.

I would be willing to stake my professional reputation on it, that's how confident I am that it is not a 1921 - or 1931, or even 1961 - photo.
Of course since I will not reveal my identity or current line of work, I have nothing to lose, so this is for emphasis only. :)
But that's how seriously I mean it.

Nevermind, without compromising your anonymity, could you shed some light on where we might look for the true origin of the "late 1960's photo" I colorized? We had some success debunking the Claudia Black/Maria Orsic photo and I'd love to keep the momentum going. &)

eridu43
10th August 2011, 16:00
I had no doubts. ;)

And for what it's worth, my artistic eye says the hair on the other image is painted on. I could be wrong but there doesn't appear to be any shadowing in the hair at all.

I totally agree, Forevernyt. This alleged shot of Traute A. looks like a manipulated photo.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=8638

NeverMind
10th August 2011, 16:15
Nevermind, without compromising your anonymity, could you shed some light on where we might look for the true origin of the "late 1960's photo" I colorized? We had some success debunking the Claudia Black/Maria Orsic photo and I'd love to keep the momentum going. &)

I wish I knew!
I think I remember the model. IF (big "if") she is the right one, then she is German; I don't know the name because I never knew it.
The photo itself looks like a typical fashion or advertising shoot from cca 1969/70; maybe that's what it was.
But there's always a fair possibility that a shot was used that was never published (for its original intended purpose, I mean).

PS. Actually, I just remembered she could be Czech/Slovak but working in Germany. So, German or Czech/Slovak (at the time she would have been called "Czechoslovakian", of course) - if she is the one I am thinking about.

I would say, browse through cca 1968-71 fashion magazines and catalogs first, starting with obscure ones.

Lord Sidious
12th August 2011, 00:23
They say she has been seen recently.


http://black.greyfalcon.us/pictures/al23.bmp

http://black.greyfalcon.us/

Carmody
12th August 2011, 02:03
Nevermind, without compromising your anonymity, could you shed some light on where we might look for the true origin of the "late 1960's photo" I colorized? We had some success debunking the Claudia Black/Maria Orsic photo and I'd love to keep the momentum going. &)

I wish I knew!
I think I remember the model. IF (big "if") she is the right one, then she is German; I don't know the name because I never knew it.
The photo itself looks like a typical fashion or advertising shoot from cca 1969/70; maybe that's what it was.
But there's always a fair possibility that a shot was used that was never published (for its original intended purpose, I mean).

PS. Actually, I just remembered she could be Czech/Slovak but working in Germany. So, German or Czech/Slovak (at the time she would have been called "Czechoslovakian", of course) - if she is the one I am thinking about.

I would say, browse through cca 1968-71 fashion magazines and catalogs first, starting with obscure ones.

Ok, It took me a while to get what you were saying.

The entire composition (on and in all levels) is very 'reflection of the 60's --for the late 60's-early 70's masses', kinda thing. It's a push, it's a sell, from that time period. I'm guessing a rag for older/late teens? Sell and push to their aspirations.

If I had to guess, I'd say her eyes are light green, which would make her partially Polish-Russian Jew or some mix in that area. Eastern Europe mixed bloodlines. Possibly a light blue but the darker edging around the iris in her eyes usually comes with a move toward the green. When the Ashkenazi came through and mixed with the northern groups of light blue, thus the light green with the ring in the iris.

Let's write a book about it!

(a bit of humor. All we factually know about the dark ages, can be placed on one A4 sheet of paper. The rest is just wild speculation. As told to me by a historian Friend.)