Are UK Riots in retailation for the downgrading of US's credit rating?

[raymond]

So on Friday, US's credit rating was cut one notch, an historical event.

Saturday, riots started over the shooting of one man by the UK police in a small town.

Over the weekend, the UK riots get progressively bigger to the point that the whole of UK is now in anarchy.

We know that the CIA and other alphabet agencies have been known to use riots to cause chaos in third-world countries in order to topple the existing government.

Me thinks there is now major infighting between the powers that were.

The war has now officially started. Hehehe.

[raymond]

Oh by the way, the US alphabet agencies were not the only agencies who use riot moles.

There will be riots in the US next in retailation for the UK riots. Mark thy calendar.

When two wild animals go at each other, the results are gonna be ugly.

[Jake]

Oh by the way, the US alphabet agencies were not the only agencies who use riot moles.

There will be riots in the US next in retailation for the UK riots. Mark thy calendar.

When two wild animals go at each other, the results are gonna be ugly.

Thuggery, and inciting violence is going to be their way of dealing with the inevitable gatherings and protests. It will justify the atrocities that they are planning, and stop us from gathering. No continent is safe. The world is waking up. The ptw are devastated. There are over 7 Billion people on this planet, most of them young people... It is an equation for unprecidented gatherings and protests. ie,, unprecidented retaliation by authorities. There is no UK vs US. We have to keep it together, this may just be the start. :)


Me thinks there is now major infighting between the powers that were.

Yes, I think so too. Also, inevitable!

[The One]

Spot on my friends

I also feel this is just the begining

[ghostrider]

chaos is the order of the day. brought to you by the NWO

[Tarka the Duck]

So on Friday, US's credit rating was cut one notch, an historical event.

Saturday, riots started over the shooting of one man by the UK police in a small town.

Over the weekend, the UK riots get progressively bigger to the point that the whole of UK is now in anarchy.

We know that the CIA and other alphabet agencies have been known to use riots to cause chaos in third-world countries in order to topple the existing government.

Me thinks there is now major infighting between the powers that were.

The war has now officially started. Hehehe.



The man was shot in Tottenham, north London - hardly a 'small town'.

The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy.

Your exaggeration is not helpful.

It has all been orchestrated.

What is meant by "hehehe"?

[The One]

The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Tottenham
Birmingham
Bristol
Liverpool

Whats next



The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Agreed but the PM as just recalled parliment http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16046136
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2F&ei=qyZBTu__MszDswafo93fBw&usg=AFQjCNESXeI5j7fA5wV1J3CFmxSf_vqRyQ

I have got a feeling the army will be called out if it dosent calm down

[Tailesin]

Hey Raymond,

This is my first post (other than the intro post) so bare with me. A bit of background - Don't want to upset you, just filling in a few bits.

A couple of points first; the first shooting incident happened in Tottenham, which is a part of London and not what I would describe as a small town. The shooting was part of the (right or wrong - I'm not judging the Police action here at this point) Operation Trident (see link at the bottom, sorry it's Wikipedia), which is combating Gang and Gun crime within the Afro-Caribbean communities and was instigated by that community (once again if they "requested" it or its a Problem/Reaction/Solution (P/R/S) initiative, who knows). The reason for the original riot outside (or close to) Tottenham Police Station was possibly sparked off when a member of a peaceful march was confronted by a Policeman about some minor offence. The march itself was to protest the shooting as there has been little or no detail, as per usual, about the killing. Wild rumours have started to fly around about this to the point now where I doubt even the police know what happened. Either way one young man (25) was killed and a policeman was "injured" (whether he was shot or not is also a matter of debate, also if it was a Police bullet, which I really find hard to believe, sorry I do, I find most Police wouldn't do the circler firing squad).

Saturday the rioting spread around to other area's of London only at this point - until Sunday when about 8 or 9 different area's in London and a few other cities had copy-cat riots. I wouldn't have really called that the UK in Chaos or Anarchy. I always try and keep some perspective on things. I'm not trying to cause offence.

However, there are some interesting and unusual things occurring. I heard reports (on the BBC world news channel - I'm working in South Korea right now) of some of the "Gangs" using Walkie Talkies to co-ordinate (as well as 8 and 9 year old kids to spot the Cops) where they were going to strike. Only really remember hearing it once on the news - the rest of the time the media are concentrating on use of Facebook, Twitter and BBS (BlackBerry Messaging, I think). The Walkie Talkie issue is interesting, as although they are readily available in the UK it's not something I would think an average group of (lets face it) thugs intent on causing trouble would be carrying around with them. However they have been noticed with more organised people/groups e.g. G8 Protesters.

Secondly I do know there are some anarchists in London right now (yeah I know some of these people, I don't have direct contact with them any more, I can from time to time appreciate what they want to happen, just not how they try and get it done), when it's their normal time of year to be in France protesting against the treatment of immigrants and generally (as they put it themselves) annoying the French Police, by trying to get arrested and man handled so they can lodge complaints. So I was surprised to hear a load had come over to the UK again. Now all this is speculation, I have some contacts who do still know them and if I can I'll find out more, or even if they came over just for the riot.

To the last question of CIA involvement - I really don't think so - If its anything close to that then maybe P/R/S setup by the UK Gov. To what end I think we are going to have to wait and see. Successive Governments here have eroded Civil Liberates so much I wonder how much is left until I had a rethink about the media focus, Social Networks. Generally and even on the BBC the twitter and Facebook side of things has been reported as a "red herring" at least to begin with, but watching the coverage this has started to be reported less and less (as far as I can see) so maybe the internet here and having some kind of outcry to have the children (although some of the rioters were reported at over 20 years old) monitored online. "Why won't someone think of the children" as is the usual cry over here. Maybe something else at work, we will have to see how the situation pans out. It's a bit early to say. I do however think if the CIA wanted to do something about the UK Gov the would have a much better way of dealing with it than getting a bunch of (sorry to use term here, but they are) Idiots to start smashing the place up.

I'll have a dig around and see if I can spot anything else. Stay safe.

Oh and as I spent my time (ages, sorry I can't spell and my typing speed is rubbish) typing this it has been reported that there is now a death from the rioting - In Croydon (South London) a man was found who had been shot in he's car with serious head wounds, has now died. Its sad when people get killed even worse when it was probably just some guy going home, who went the wrong way.

Operation Trident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trident_(Metropolitan_Police)

8th!!!!!!!! - I'm gonna have to become less long winded or type a whole lot faster

[Tarka the Duck]

The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Tottenham
Birmingham
Bristol
Liverpool

Whats next



The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Agreed but the PM as just recalled parliment http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16046136
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2F&ei=qyZBTu__MszDswafo93fBw&usg=AFQjCNESXeI5j7fA5wV1J3CFmxSf_vqRyQ

I have got a feeling the army will be called out if it dosent calm down


So far, it is only 4 cities - bad as that is, it does not constitute "the whole of the UK"....

Calling in the army? I think that could well be one of the aims of these riots.

[Jayke]

What else is in the news today:


LONDON shares have nosedived for the FIFTH day in a row - with the FTSE 100 losing more than £50billion in 90 MINUTES.
In chaotic scenes the stock market plunged after mammoth falls on Wall Street in the US overnight.

By 9.30 the FTSE 100 was down an incredible 222.91 at 4846.04.

The falls were matched by alarming slumps in France and Germany. World stocks are down an astonishing 20 PER CENT since May.

I'm actually starting to believe that this whole riot charade is a misdirect to draw peoples attention away from the fact the worlds economy is crumbling into dust...the fact they haver to go to such extremes to hide the massive losses on the stock markets just shows how terrified TPW have become of losing their grip on society...a good sign one might think.

[Tailesin]

The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Tottenham
Birmingham
Bristol
Liverpool

Whats next



The whole of the UK is NOT in anarchy

Agreed but the PM as just recalled parliment http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16046136
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2F&ei=qyZBTu__MszDswafo93fBw&usg=AFQjCNESXeI5j7fA5wV1J3CFmxSf_vqRyQ

I have got a feeling the army will be called out if it dosent calm down


So far, it is only 4 cities - bad as that it, it does not constitute "the whole of the UK"....

Calling in the army? I think that could well be one of the aims of these riots.

I'm not totally convinced about the calling in of the army as yet - it doesn't feel like it's the "right time" for that to be the objective as yet. Just my feeling....
Just to add about the monitoring of the social networks - We all know they do it, but it does make it easier if the "people" ask for it!

[Corncrake]

Thank you Tarka for clarifying the situation. I am in London too. There are 35 boroughs of London and Tottenham is just part of the borough of Haringey. There have been sporadic outbursts of violence and looting in some boroughts of London and outside - and although some are serious most of them appear to be 'copycat'. In my local village of Wimbledon a handful of youths decided to smash two shopfronts last night - it was no uprising! What can be seen on the front pages of the newspapers and on television is misleading. Remember this is the 'silly' season for the press with parliament out for the summer and they will make the most of these riots to sell their papers. What started off as a demonstration has become an excuse for mindless looting - these aren't starving people trying to feed their children! I have always supported the right to demonstrate and have been on marches myself. This sort of upheaval helps no-one and may well bring in a curfew and a clamp down on legitimate protest.

[Tigressa]

What else is in the news today:


LONDON shares have nosedived for the FIFTH day in a row - with the FTSE 100 losing more than £50billion in 90 MINUTES.
In chaotic scenes the stock market plunged after mammoth falls on Wall Street in the US overnight.

By 9.30 the FTSE 100 was down an incredible 222.91 at 4846.04.

The falls were matched by alarming slumps in France and Germany. World stocks are down an astonishing 20 PER CENT since May.

I'm actually starting to believe that this whole riot charade is a misdirect to draw peoples attention away from the fact the worlds economy is crumbling into dust...the fact they haver to go to such extremes to hide the massive losses on the stock markets just shows how terrified TPW have become of losing their grip on society...a good sign one might think.
I believe you are right! Unfortunately, what's going on is just the very beginning. When QE3 is announced things will calm down, for a while. But the inevitable will then occur around the world - price of food, gas, the every day stuff, will rise, rise, rise and then all hell will break loose. Still gotta do my stockpiling, I have been remiss. Not even a proper first aid kit.

Poor London, even poorer forgotten Somalia, I feel so sad. I do pray that things will change for the better soon. Astrologically Mars is about to kick that whole Pluto-Uranus square into perfect action.. the tension is very thick in the air everywhere.

Just remember beautiful people, some of us are meant to survive and some of us are meant to help others. You may be one of those who is leaving this program early, accept this with grace and without fear. It is alright. Being prepared and mindful, but not giving in to fear is very hard. As Inelia says, "Just be here". I hope you understand I mean this in a strong and okay way. Much love to our brothers and sisters suffering around the world tonight.

[Tarka the Duck]

Does anyone feel the Tavistock Institute is behind this (Common Purpose)?

[Tailesin]

An interesting bit in the Independent Newspaper website (considered Liberal - am I right here?)

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/camila-batmanghelidjh-caring-costs-ndash-but-so-do-riots-2333991.html

Mentions about the social network issues I talked about. When I am sure the early BBC reports were saying the communication was though the Blackberry Media system and that the Facebook posts and Tweets about the riot had been misreported and miss quoted, as people were correcting them after.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14442203

[Omni connexae!]

I've been out an about London the last few days and have witnessed first hand what is happening in some places, here's my take:

The youth round here have been literally warning of this for ages. It's also not hard to make direct links between what's happening right now and the tension that's been building up for ages amongst the youth in London and UK cities in general, as we also witnessed during the student protests.

For instance, 8 out of 13 youthclubs were closed in the area the rioting started on Saturday only ONE WEEK before rioting begun, due to cuts.

Of course, rioting is not the way, but many young people have tried everything, and it has had no effect, there is a large undertone of despair here.

Older people here generally don't understand why so many youngers would destroy their own communities, the problem is alot of the youth feel completely alienated and not part of the shred of community that is left in places like London. This is a wake up call for the older generation IMO. For more then 5 years now, MSM has been quick to brand the youth culture of London as hooded yobs, chavs n whatnot, and ignorant people are quick to lap up such labels and regurgitate them, this is now backlashing. While this is a matter of civil disobedience and actions should be taken in that respect, to say this has nothing to do with what is politically and socially happening as an undertone is not just naive, but dangerously ignorant. Infact I would contend it's the same reasoning that has lead us to this position.

Although their actions have been misguided, foolish and opportunistic, there is something else important to realize here. These young people have been fighting amongst each other for years, yet in one day for seemingly no apparent reason, they have mostly united and instead of fighting each other they have focused their energy collectively into the riots, seeing it as an opportunity to take back from the 'man', and fight against the police force in general.

This is also not contained to the UK. This is a global issue. What is seen as one of the most secure cities in the world, has just globally sent out a message of clear unrest, and can be seen as a reminder of the times we all now face.

[Omni connexae!]

Does anyone feel the Tavistock Institute is behind this (Common Purpose)?

I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility. There is a website called Spiff TV www.spifftv.com . I personally have a very large suspition that this was recently taken over by Tavistock, all the hallmarks are there. Long story short, exactly what happened to GLP has recently happened there. This is a "media" site for the 'urban' youth culture in mainly London, and has been promoting gang culture in the form of "colours" for more then a few months now. The people who use this site are generally the same sort of people who are rioting. Make of that what you will.

[Tailesin]

Omni connexae! very interesting. I personally hadn't heard about the youth club issue and I can see the riots were contained in ones area on the Saturday.

Whats your opinion about the further riots? Disaffected youth copy-catting?

I still think there is a little more organisation to it than first meets the eye.

[steveofengland]

Yes the prime minister and cronies are meeting on Thursday to discuss this! In the meantime there will be 16000 police on the streets of London tonight instead of the 7000 there has been. Youths in the troubled areas are hoping that there will be more rioting tonight.

[Omni connexae!]

Hey Tailesin,


Omni connexae! very interesting. I personally hadn't heard about the youth club issue and I can see the riots were contained in ones area on the Saturday.

Whats your opinion about the further riots? Disaffected youth copy-catting?

I still think there is a little more organisation to it than first meets the eye.

I'm hearing this term "copy-catting" thrown about alot by MSM, and while it would apparently seem so, I don't think it's the right term to use.

To display my point using an analogy, imagine a large group of youths gathered in one spot, they all feel generally the same way, they are unhappy with the government, they see no future worth caring about, a massive sense of despair, they want to do something but they seemingly can't do anything. Standing opposite them is a large group of police. Many of the youths are saying to themselves we should work together instead of fighting each other, they mostly agree. They all anticipate what they would like to do, then out of no where, one of them says "fu*k it", and charges at the police. The rest of them see this, a few start to charge aswell, after a critical mass is reached they all charge. Now, were the ones that joined in the charge being "copy-cats", or were they finally doing what they mostly all felt needed to be done.

Our understanding of movements and human behavior has come a long way since times when we could easily say such things like "copy-cat" behavior, and say that's all there is too it. But based on our available understanding, this is no longer a valid excuse. For a simple example of this understanding, you can watch this TED talk:

Derek Sivers: How to start a movement
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Now, to see an example of this happening in a context relevant to what's happening in London, just watch this:

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The fact of the matter is, we could easily undermine every single human movement that has ever taken place with this line of "copy-cat" reasoning and excuse, which would obviously be a shame.

[Corncrake]

I have just been talking to my 15 year old son who was out with some friends in Holland Park (West London) yesterday afternoon. He bumped into an old schoolfriend who told him he had been with the crowd looting the previous night. I remember this boy and his brother well and they had a loving educated mother but also a stepfather they did not like. They were not able to afford holidays and are typical of many kids at a loose end over the summer holidays who with little coercion would join in a riot and sadly use it as a form of entertainment. Obviously this is not the whole picture. My daughter joined the student protests at the beginning of the year and told me of the masked 'agents provocateurs' there who tried to manipulate the situation with violence. When demonstrators wear hoodies or masks they could be anyone and with their own agenda.

[Omni connexae!]

I would also like to make another point: While it is easy to condem what they are doing as wrong, it's alot harder to admit they havn't been given a chance to do what's right.

[Omni connexae!]

There is also the issue of social networking and it being blamed for all this by some. The reasoning behind this is absurd, it essentially equates to saying the problem is younger generations are now able to have a clearer view of what's actually happening around them, these people who say this are not reasoning, but essentially regurgitating anti-internet freedom propaganda that has been pushed all over MSM recently.

[The One]

its kicking off again

[Gone002]

This is very interesting, i have a feeling that this is just right wing groups and others taking advantage of this situation. Yes four areas have been ingulfed in chaos but like all things there is more to this.

[Taurean]

Maybe the Libyan revolutionaries will come and help ours

[math330]

this is worth watching - for all those saying it wasn't expected, it's been expected and coming for AGES.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=biJgILxGK0o

[Lord Sidious]

Does anyone feel the Tavistock Institute is behind this (Common Purpose)?

Now this is a VERY interesting point.
The tavistock institute bears VERY close watching.
I would say they are dirtbags, but I don't think they are that nice.

Martin Bryant who is alleged to be the shooter at Port Arthur in Tasmania has links to the institute, so your observation is a particularly good one.


I would also like to make another point: While it is easy to condem what they are doing as wrong, it's alot harder to admit they havn't been given a chance to do what's right.

Yet another excellent observation!
THIS is what avalon is about, thinking outside the box and seeing the unseen, the unspoken.
Good work.


This is very interesting, i have a feeling that this is just right wing groups and others taking advantage of this situation. Yes four areas have been ingulfed in chaos but like all things there is more to this.

I think letting go of this false left/right paradigm would be good for you and the rest of us.
They all work for the same people.
I saw some talking head claiming the ''english defense league'' were behind a group that were going to attack blacks, yet they have black members of their own.
Oh, and they were called extreme right wing too.
What a joke.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so how was the fishing? ;)


You were missed around here o Dark Lord of the nuggets...

[Tailesin]

This is very interesting, i have a feeling that this is just right wing groups and others taking advantage of this situation. Yes four areas have been ingulfed in chaos but like all things there is more to this.

Regrettably it's not just the right wing, the left wing is at it too, if you look at the the Socialist Workers website.

[Rocky_Shorz]

US Riots will be starting very soon, they've cut mental disability and medicare to Patients, starting in 2 weeks...


no anti depressants for many who should be institutionalized...

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with everything going on I hadn't even heard of the Philadelphia riots happening this month...

[daledo]

The youth see the elite stealing from the citizens and killing the middle class and making everyone poorer year after year. They are just following their lead. Now the pot is calling the kettle black? They are one in the same except the elite do it legally.

[Lord Sidious]

The youth see the elite stealing from the citizens and killing the middle class and making everyone poorer year after year. They are just following their lead. Now the pot is calling the kettle black? They are one in the same except the elite do it legally.

Of course, they make those laws themselves too.

[daledo]

The youth see the elite stealing from the citizens and killing the middle class and making everyone poorer year after year. They are just following their lead. Now the pot is calling the kettle black? They are one in the same except the elite do it legally.

Of course, they make those laws themselves too.

I was reading the thread about your retirement and was hoping you would be back soon. You had the forum in a slight panic for a bit... you are needed here for sure.

[Lost Soul]

I do not think the Youth of England care a wit about the U.S. being downgraded to AA.

The Arab Spring has become the European Summer. Spain, Greece and now England. Essentially it's the same. A lot of economically disenfranchised and frustrated people watch the thieves (politicians or banks or big investors) steal and walking away unpunished. On top of that, the "austerity" measures squeeze them more and more; fueling the rising tension. If the big boys can steal and get away with it, why not them too? So, when their money buys less and less (thanks to inflation imported from the United States monetizing of the dollar which increases food prices worldwide), the fuse is lit and they riot. Unfortunately, when they lash out, the middle class tends (small business men) to be victimized more than anyone else. Another point about the looting or rioting, it's manipulating the middle class to demand a clamp down, even at the price of martial law. That's something TPTB are more than happy to give.

The Arab Spring and European Summer may be followed by the American Fall where youths of America take to the streets and riot like their oversea counterparts.

BTW, Gerald Celente mentioned this phenomenon earlier this year in his Trends Journal.