IS STEPHEN HAWKING REALLY BRILLIANT ? Or is he mainstream ideology at its worst!

[jagman]

I Recently read Stephen Hawking wiki page and I was astounded to see that
the professor was an average to good student growing up! And when he first
attended college,It was noted, although he tested well, his study habits were
poor!

Let me get one thing straight,right from the start, My critique of Professor Hawking
has nothing to do with his disability! That is one thing I admire about the man!
He has accomplished a lot despite his disability! My problem with the Professor
is in his intellectual dishonesty when It comes to looking at scientific evidence of
the UFO phenomenon and alien life!

It seems to me the only time the good Professor thinks outside the box is when hes pondering black holes! There is no doubt in my mind Mr.Hawking is intelligent but he lacks critical thinking skills on these subjects!
( MAINSTREAM IDEOLOGY AT ITS WORST!)
And lets all be honest,Professor hawking is no Isaac Newton!

[Healthy Skeptic]

He also seems to alternate between "There is a God" and 'There is no God"!!

[Carmen]

Is this an example of what I call the 'intellectual ceiling' that very bright university people do not venture beyond. I observe this in friends and relatives of mine, that are so called 'super bright' but have no common sense.They do not' know' only 'know about',and look down on anyone without a university degree! Im not saying that Stephen Hawking is in this category necessarily, but man, there is a lot of alien/ufo evidence out there that he is obviously ignoring.

[Healthy Skeptic]

Is this an example of what I call the 'intellectual ceiling' that very bright university people do not venture beyond. I observe this in friends and relatives of mine, that are so called 'super bright' but have no common sense.They do not' know' only 'know about',and look down on anyone without a university degree! Im not saying that Stephen Hawking is in this category necessarily, but man, there is a lot of alien/ufo evidence out there that he is obviously ignoring.

Unfortunately, I have to confess, that I used to be one of 'those people'. When I worked Full-Time in I.T. (computing) I used to 'laugh' (literally!) about "How 'stupid' and 'weak' people were". I used to be a REAL 'Mr. Spock'. Anything that could not be explained by 'Science', I used to store in my 'For Future Reference' or 'Too Hard' Baskets. I suppose I was a 'REAL BASKET CASE' ...LOL!!! It took a couple of 'Tragic Events' (which I won't elaborate on) that finally 'kicked me' out of this frame of mind. When I look at Stephen Hawking I can totally 'empathise' and 'sympathise' with his 'Mind Set'. It must be 'frightening' for him that, all of a sudden, things or events are now happening that 'contradict' his perception of reality. Whenever 'We' are confronted by things that contradict our 'beliefs', we 'go on the Defensive' or 'try to ignore' or 'explain away' things that don't make up 'Our World'. Let's not get carried away, and respect that he is having a hard time coping with this 'sudden change of reality'.

[Carmen]

You have obviously expanded way beyond the 'intellectual ceiling', Healthy Skeptic. Honesty and Humbleness are a sure sign. I too, can sympathize with Stephen Hawking. His mind set will be blown apart by events unfolding in this changing world. His contribution to further understanding of our cosmos is still invaluable.

[Healthy Skeptic]

His contribution to further understanding of our cosmos is still invaluable.

His contributions will be accepted 'in my books' regardless of his 'Perception of Reality'.
Love to Him, Healthy Skeptic

[ViralSpiral]

Love it when ceilings are shattered :) Thanks for sharing Healthy Skeptic.

Hawkings deserves commendation. Not discrediting his contribution or labelling him "intellectually dishonest"....






Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,. there is a field. I'll meet you there. ... RUMI

[vibrations]

For me some of his teachings are really good but over time he reached (what a good expression Carmen) the 'intellectual ceiling' and this is it. And I think money has a lot to do with it. Amd Ego off course. We were all there, and we will all overcome it some day. Some sooner some later.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

To no one in particular.

It is not necessary to have all of the answers or to be gifted with great wisdom to make a wonderful contribution. Who among us can claim these things? Who among us has made any greater or lesser contribution? Many of our great thinkers from Newton to Einstein have had it wrong in the details. Hawking is no different in this regard. If anyone ever has all the answers and the perfect unified model of God, the Universe, and Everything, then perhaps that will be the end of Science.

Science is a great tool for exploring our world. It's not the only one, but it is a very pracitcal one.

[jackovesk]

Why Is It So? That is the Question!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIfxV7uNZXQ

I don't really Trust any Scientist that is funded by the MSM or Govt.

My Question to you ALL is - Why should You..?

[Healthy Skeptic]

The one thing "I love about you jackovesk' is that it doesn't matter what is on a Thread/Post you are always 'NEGATIVE'.
Everything seems to be "A Conspiracy". OK you are entitled to your opinion (that is what this forum is all about) and I respect that.
Can't you find a POSITIVE thing to post?

[jackovesk]

The one thing "I love about you jackovesk' is that it doesn't matter what is on a Thread/Post you are always 'NEGATIVE'.
Everything seems to be "A Conspiracy". OK you are entitled to your opinion (that is what this forum is all about) and I respect that.
Can't you find a POSITIVE thing to post?

Feel Free to Go back through some of my older posts and you will find plenty of positivety and support here at Avalon as most here that know me can attest to.

Unfortunately the 'TRUTH' in this day & age is not always pretty...

I don't Trust habitual LIERS of Groupthink or those that hide behind Secret Agenda's and that includes those within the Scientific Community...

As I see it, my role here at Avalon is not to win popularity contest! It is to get the 'Truth Out As I know it' to as many as I can regardless of what you or others may think...

I call it, as I see it and Yes that does tend to upset some, but again those that know me. Know I am, always coming from a place of Truth!

So be it..! Wishing you all the very best life has to offer...

Regards,

Jack

PS - You can't appreciate the 'Light' without experiencing the 'Darkness'

[Tane Mahuta]

Is this an example of what I call the 'intellectual ceiling' that very bright university people do not venture beyond. I observe this in friends and relatives of mine, that are so called 'super bright' but have no common sense.They do not' know' only 'know about',and look down on anyone without a university degree! Im not saying that Stephen Hawking is in this category necessarily, but man, there is a lot of alien/ufo evidence out there that he is obviously ignoring.

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Good post Carmen & good thread Jagman, here's my take on the "intellectual ceiling",

I believe scientists of today, through no fault of their own, are taught by a misguided
educational system.(and we all know why that is so).

Eminent scientists live in a box.....along with their "EGO!!"

They try to fit the all things, matter, energy, the universe, mathematics,
spirituality, ghosts etc..etc, into the box.

If it doen't fit into the box....it dosen't exist. It can't exist, couse I'm a
scientist.....and I've got an "EGO"!!

Using the analogy of a fish tank......those on the outside can see the fish!
But the fish can see outside...but through a distorted lense!

nuff said

TM

[NeverMind]

I Recently read Stephen Hawking wiki page and I was astounded to see that
the professor was an average to good student growing up! And when he first
attended college,It was noted, although he tested well, his study habits were
poor!

I am NOT asserting that Hawking - or anyone (perhaps with the exception of Tesla) - is or was "brilliant", much less a "genius" or whatever people like to call people who make news in intellectual domains.
I am also not asserting that he is NOT.
I do not know enough about him, and even the people who know someone the best - his nearest and dearest - often have little idea of a person's real capabilities.

However, I feel I must remind you that academic success, especially in elementary and high school, is no indicator at all of a person's talent or intelligence.
Not are their study habits.
All these things have much more to do with adaptability than with intelligence or talent.

Edison was deemed "hopelessly stupid", so much so that his mother was advised to take him out of school because his schooling would be a waste of time and money.

And Einstein flunked math - twice. :)

[ViralSpiral]

However, I feel I must remind you that academic success, especially in elementary and high school, is no indicator at all of a person's talent or intelligence.


This. Most "autistics/savants" fail, as does the system that tests them ,-)


nevermind....

[ulli]

Hawking has to be seen not only for where he took his mind, but also why,
and having been diagnosed with that illness coincided with his black hole theory.
The interplay of the conscious and subconscious mind at work.

A black hole, this was where his personal projected path was going to take him,
having been given only a few years to live,
until the general acceptance of his theory by the scientific community and later the public,
turned him into a celebrity, returning him to life.

Yet when looking at the totalty here his mind created a dark concept, sucking millions of young thinkers into that vortex along with him.
Until a few began to see the black hole as possibly leading to another universe, kind of like a back door.
And with that shift a new idea was born, of parallel universes or the multiverse.

A few had been there all along, but lacked the credibility that comes with ancient university towns,
and even more so, that comes with having large scale pity, driven by a manipulative press
bestowed upon one's being, keeping one alive so long as the darkness theories,
or as in the case of the big bang theory which is another false theory, keep coming.

Someone needs to direct this man's attention to psychology, and where he as an observer, had input into that which he was observing.
And that input was his fear of his own crippling death process, compacting him gradually more and more until not even light could escape.

Can love still ignite him?
If some of us here at Avalon say yes, then we will soon be reading about Hawking retracting all of his life's work, and at the height of his celebrated career announce that the entire universe is made of luminous fibres which stretch without end....

[cellardoor]

There is a kind of truce between the scientific community and religion, one must not infringe on the others territory so to speak. Acknowledging the existence of extraterrestrial life would be a can of worms that Steven Hawking does not want to open. Besides he has probably been in the Illuminati's pocket for most of his career.

The current situation is an extremely polarised group conciousness, two rigidly dogmatic institutions holding sway over people, proclaiming truth only to enslave minds and hinder true spiritual development.
The golden age is all about depolarising conciousness and us light workers are doing a good job of that. We KNOW in our heart of hearts our purpose, we question all authority as we are sovereign beings, we search for god ourselves and we find our own truth. We live our truth by example as we are not afraid of judgement.

Rejoice! We have released ourselves from the bondage of suppression, watch in delight the adjacent pillars crumble as we ascend the middle with ease. All will unfold on the great cycle.

May we all manifest our dreams, and dwell in serenity.

Bless us all.

[ulli]

Nice post, Cellardoor. Integrating science and religion is my job, even though I'm neither a scientist, nor a theologian.
But I am defintely working for the light, God's light.

[Heyoka_11]

Great thread Jagman.

I used to feel a bit let down after reading a book by Hawking, or watching a documentary on his work. The subject matter fascinated me, but to me, there was always something missing.

He must possess tremendous intuition, but perhaps it is for the most part (if not entirely) directed toward the study of that which can be weighed and measured, and little more. I think that to proffer his being "mainstream ideology at it's worst" may be a little harsh. My gut feeling is that he simply may not be in possession of a spiritually based intuitive ability, as so many here at Avalon are. What a precious gift that is, and I think it a good thing to pity those who suffer without it.

I am very grateful for the work of scientists such as Bruce Lipton, Fred Alan Wolf and, whilst not strictly speaking a scientist, Gregg Braden. For me, they blend science and the spirit together in seamless fashion. However, I have the greatest of respect for Hawking, and hope that his eyes will one day be opened a little wider.

[cellardoor]

Nice post, Cellardoor. Integrating science and religion is my job, even though I'm neither a scientist, nor a theologian.
But I am defintely working for the light, God's light.

Thank you ulli, the shadow recedes as Gods's light shines brighter in all our hearts with every moment. We are blessed, we are here playing out the greatest show in the cosmos ;)

[Libra]

Brilliant. Totally relate to you my friend. It is like rediscovering the sense of wonder and excitement at the unknown when one was a child. Before the fear of not knowing was put upon us in schools. The unknown is a positive thing, it propels us to embark on the quest to seek answers. Reality is what you think of it.

[Mutchie]

AGAINST ALL ADVERSITY THIS MAN HAS RISEN AMONGST US - I FOR ONE THINK HE HAS DONE GREAT !!!

no matter who you are you can never please everyone

[ulli]

Turning this conversation into a "pro and con" issue would be dualistic, and not representative of the Avalon spirit of investigating truth.

We are not here to judge anyone, and certainly not someone who devoted his life to a search of the origin and destiny of the physical universe.

The Big Bang Theory representing the beginning of his own life, and the Black Hole Theory representing the end ot it....
And as below, so above.....like the rest of us, he projected the contemplation of his own being onto the entire universe and all energy/matter.

That this contemplation would reflect subconscious undercurrents is only natural, given his unusual and hopeless medical condition.

Like all of us he had to face his mortality, but unlike the rest of us, for him that journey was infinitely more difficult.

Stating that he left out the spiritual aspect from his work is not a condemnation, and connecting the dots re. his illness and his research is just part of an attempt to bring these issues into a greater wholeness perspective.

Wholeness, or oneness, this is where I was coming from.

[<8>]

Maby a good book..:)

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51onxnIJHdL._SS500_.jpg

What happens when something is sucked into a black hole? Does it disappear? Three decades ago, a young physicist named Stephen Hawking claimed it did-and in doing so put at risk everything we know about physics and the fundamental laws of the universe. Most scientists didn't recognize the import of Hawking's claims, but Leonard Susskind and Gerard t'Hooft realized the threat, and responded with a counterattack that changed the course of physics. THE BLACK HOLE WAR is the thrilling story of their united effort to reconcile Hawking's revolutionary theories of black holes with their own sense of reality-effort that would eventually result in Hawking admitting he was wrong, paying up, and Susskind and t'Hooft realizing that our world is a hologram projected from the outer boundaries of space.
A brilliant book about modern physics, quantum mechanics, the fate of stars and the deep mysteries of black holes, Leonard Susskind's account of the Black Hole War is mind-bending and exhilarating reading.

Sorry i cant help it..:P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k

Me personally think Black Hole "theories" are a joke.....

[ulli]

In my universe there is always extra room for satire...

[Mad Hatter]

No matter which way you choose to look at it he has a magnificent mind, as do all....

Imagine where science might now be if he had stood on the shoulders of different giants!!

Is it not true that no matter where we are, we will each have our own unique perspective of all that is??

[RMorgan]

He is brilliant. However, one man can´t try to figure out all the mysteries of the universe at once. He´s chosen his field of work, and it´s already so complex, that he actually don´t have intellectual power to investigate anything else.

IMHO, there´s no such thing as "Mainstream Science". There is only Science.

Unfortunately, some brilliant scientists are payed by big corporations, but hey, these guys are giving their best. Most, their scientific researches are so expensive, that only big corporations and the government itself, which are the same thing in the end, can pay for them.

So, if a brilliant mind, with a brilliant theory, wants it to be verified or tested by further investigation, unfortunately they have to work for the corporations and government. Is this what you call "mainstream science"?

These guys have done many amazing things for our world.

[Lifebringer]

I found his commentary that the Stellars' may be hostile, with no evidence to support it, simply a shocking display of the PTW manipulating him and he fell for it hook line and sinker. Poor Stephen Hawking, he's way out of his league, because he chooses the wrong side of information to form his oppinions on. All these centuries and the only ones creating hostile situations, are the warmongering humans that profit on the ignorants lack of knowlege or pursuit of the knowlege needed to make a valid decision in life.

Like I said, poor hoodwinked Stephen Hawking, his time is over.

[T Smith]

The one thing "I love about you jackovesk' is that it doesn't matter what is on a Thread/Post you are always 'NEGATIVE'.
Everything seems to be "A Conspiracy". OK you are entitled to your opinion (that is what this forum is all about) and I respect that.
Can't you find a POSITIVE thing to post?

With all due respect, navagating the truth in a world of lies, deceit, and double-speak is not a "negative" response. I understand fully the temptation to hang the messenger, and although I in no way accuse you of falling in this camp, those who play the "negative card" in response to those who seek the truth are often simply in some degree of denial.

[araucaria]

He is brilliant. However, one man can´t try to figure out all the mysteries of the universe at once. He´s chosen his field of work, and it´s already so complex, that he actually don´t have intellectual power to investigate anything else.

IMHO, there´s no such thing as "Mainstream Science". There is only Science.

Unfortunately, some brilliant scientists are payed by big corporations, but hey, these guys are giving their best. Most, their scientific researches are so expensive, that only big corporations and the government itself, which are the same thing in the end, can pay for them.

So, if a brilliant mind, with a brilliant theory, wants it to be verified or tested by further investigation, unfortunately they have to work for the corporations and government. Is this what you call "mainstream science"?

These guys have done many amazing things for our world.

The problem for scientists lies in funding. If your project doesn't toe the party line, it doesn't get funded. It helps (at least it used to) to place your research project in the context of global warming for instance, and that will open doors.

Trouble is, garbage n leads to garbage out...

Others will study the sex lives of fruit flies till the cows come home. Or discover that one glass of wine per month will kill you or five a day wouldn't harm a sexy fruit fly. A lot of good scientists are being sidetracked into utter rubbish to earn a living.

[sirac]

i've had a fight in by those narrowed by his phase aspect.
immediate riddle, to much danger...plain...
I think the greatest danger he is creating is in creating the pseudo community of normal people supporting the science community.
and as we've seen, Paul LaViolette....lets say, as we've seen in thru the window provided by Paul LaViolette's work (his Subquantum Kinetics),
the science community is far from what it should be. Yes indeed,

but this is second stream in,
real physicists (not a physicist but i've seen my co-master mind alliance play in this aspect) {oh sh*t now i can be said to represent them, i preferred sirac, i can hid behind his subterfuge} ground physicists... '..narratives u can't here..'
but they really their in phase aspect.

It is time the pilot of the boat changes this, all want in, we want to work by proper principles/[{phase} aspect], not ones that have been phased denied....... but maybe as in all things...present hive consciousness denies this does not want this and so prolongs its strife and anger {i see the phase window kerries going in on, always that woman!, barrowing some foundation i will need}

[T Smith]

My personal feeling is he is quite brilliant, although compartmentalized in his thinking and as vulnerable, as the rest of us, to the false paradigm and disinformation. In this sense his intellect is likely subject to the intellectual ceiling. A faulty paradigm does not bode well for truthful inquiry, regardless how brilliant one is. For example, Ptolemy was arguably more brilliant than Copernicus; he devised a brilliant and complicated mathematical model that predicted, with precision, a geocentric universe, yet Copernicus understood the universe far better than Ptolemy. If asked, I would not doubt Ptolemy's brilliance for a minute; but I might doubt his understanding. History may judge Hawkings in a similar light.

I first scratched my head and wondered about Hawking's level of understanding during a documentary he hosted on the History Channel. The program considered the greatest threats to the extinction of the human species through the filter of Hawking's unique understanding of the universe. Hawking concluded man-made global warming was the biggest threat to the extinction of the human species (up there with gamma ray bursts, killer asteroids, etc). Whether he was simply pushing his sponsor's propaganda or sincerely believed it, my judgment of his vision, nonetheless, was henceforth at odds with my idea of true brilliance.

[ThePythonicCow]

as we've seen, Paul LaViolette....lets say, as we've seen in thru the window provided by Paul LaViolette's work (his Subquantum Kinetics),
the science community is far from what it should be. Yes indeed,

Yes. I haven't understood a thing you've said otherwise, which matters not, but this I understand and agree with. Thanks.