BREAKING: Cameron disrupts social media "to quell riots"

[ktlight]

"Now we know who was behind the criminals and hooded thugs of these riots...

Before this ridiculous string of riots, something like this would be inconceivable -- indeed, might in itself cause riots. But now, large segments of the population who still don't know what's going on will hail this as necessary.

Unflippingbelievable! and it's already underway. I tried sharing this news story on FB and wasn't allowed. Tried to comment on it, was given an error message.

We're dealing with truly cunning sociopaths here, with a long range and very far reaching plan to control the world.

We have to step up our efforts to spread the word before they shut down the entire internet."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibjYRM7amS0&feature=player_embedded

source
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/qrswave/breaking-cameron-disrupts-social-media-quell-riots

[Adi]

Ok, Im very open to the elites agenda and all there intricate ways about getting there control of the populace, but for goodness sake these are thugs who are looting your nation, its not the government doing this, its those little pricks running riot because they live in a social structure that dosent work right, but that is no excuse for the inconceivable disgust they have caused on the streets of England.

Its all well and good sitting on one's computer and writing about what they see on the news and coming to there own conclusions about how the government is plotting some devious method of control, ignoring the fact that business, homes and people have all been destroyed.

Wake up and get real with the issues, sure the governments are not all what they seem, but the men and women on the streets trying to calm the tentions and bring those to justice are the ones who should be highlighted.

[ktlight]

Some people are far-sighted. They see deeper into the sky, for instance, than those who do not have the same. So, we saw through the selective media what they wanted us to see. Whilst I cannot condone violence of any kind, I empathise with the kids whose only way out of their frustration was to be violent on the streets. What future do they have?

[Adi]

There frustration of what? what is there for them to be frustrated about, laws, ethics or education?. I am 19 I seen for my self how tough it can be growing up in a neighborhood where police are patrolling, doing random drug searches on people of my own age. I choose not to be a part of it, there is noting to be frustrated about there's opportunity's there to create a promising standard of living if you choose it, but there is those who prefer to be in a gang, hang around shops, smoking, drinking or dealing, its there choice and not the fault of society, they have the opportunity to be educated and abide by the law, thats what makes a healthy society. They cant be babysitted for there whole life. So if they choose to go out a loot and engage in these acts its there choice and not the fault of anyone else.

[phillipbbg]

Define REASONABLE SUSPICION ......................

I will not say another word, because this is a tipping point

[ktlight]

There frustration of what? what is there for them to be frustrated about, laws, ethics or education?. I am 19 I seen for my self how tough it can be growing up in a neighborhood where police are patrolling, doing random drug searches on people of my own age. I choose not to be a part of it, there is noting to be frustrated about there's opportunity's there to create a promising standard of living if you choose it, but there is those who prefer to be in a gang, hang around shops, smoking, drinking or dealing, its there choice and not the fault of society, they have the opportunity to be educated and abide by the law, thats what makes a healthy society. They cant be babysitted for there whole life. So if they choose to go out a loot and engage in these acts its there choice and not the fault of anyone else.

Hi Adi, you are probably too young to understand "I am the world and the world is me" or that is we who create society. I am not condoning the violence by having empathy with the perpetrators. I just think that if they had a better deal, like when I was their age, this wouldn't happen. We did go out onto the streets to demonstrate against what was horrific to us and the police turned it into violence. When I was their age, I could walk into and out of jobs at whim or will. Not like that any more. Education has been dumbed down. Nowadays most young people cannot spell or learned anything much to benefit them. I would have thought that in Ireland, too, there would be problems for the youngsters. Perhaps you are just lucky. Please don't feel I am dissing your feelings here.

[Eligos]

The fact is that the youth were allowed to get totally out of control and that to me signals that the ones in charge wanted it to happen and degenerate in order
to tighten the screw even tighter. Problem-Reaction-Solution. We will see more losses of freedom for an increase of security.

[thunder24]

Around here bored youths, get mommy and daddy's car and go smash mailboxes with bats when they are bored. I can only imagine what would happen if they were mad. One cannot expect others to control themselves or act "right" when society feeds them nothing but garbage in thoughts, attitude, and consumption of anything else visual or physical. Were these "kids" taught anything about how to act at home?

Every riot or demonstration has these things happen to some degree. Agent provacatures can also insite a crowd to do things with in a moment.

Be careful where you point fingers, it might be a mirror in front of you.:p

peace

[KosmicKat]

...We did go out onto the streets to demonstrate against what was horrific to us and the police turned it into violence.
Ever since the miners who went on strike in the 1980s, fearing the loss of their jobs as mines were closed, were brutalized by the police I have found it harder to respect the police or the law.


Around here bored youths, get mommy and daddy's car and go smash mailboxes with bats when they are bored.
Why do they get bored? Once you realize that your time is limited and every goal can be reached in small steps when there isn't time for larger steps, there is no more time for boredom.

[thunder24]

If your not into "getting into nature", then it costs alot to do things such as driving an hour to 45 minutes to go to a movie or go roller skating or bowling or a zipline. They would rather think about clothes and cars drugs and rockandroll. typical youths but no real outlets.

And you made a good point "once you realize"...but until then, this is what you have.

peace

[sygh]

Ok, Im very open to the elites agenda and all there intricate ways about getting there control of the populace, but for goodness sake these are thugs who are looting your nation, its not the government doing this, its those little pricks running riot because they live in a social structure that dosent work right, but that is no excuse for the inconceivable disgust they have caused on the streets of England.

Its all well and good sitting on one's computer and writing about what they see on the news and coming to there own conclusions about how the government is plotting some devious method of control, ignoring the fact that business, homes and people have all been destroyed.

Wake up and get real with the issues, sure the governments are not all what they seem, but the men and women on the streets trying to calm the tentions and bring those to justice are the ones who should be highlighted.

I agree with Adi here. You don't go around destroying the middle class. The poverty that will ensue will far out-weigh any benefit. That's why this whole rampant looting, and pillaging stunt looks very suspect to me. I do believe these kids are the disenfranchised but I wonder who is using them? I want to know who is pushing the buttons, and why these thugs hitched their wagons to the peaceful demonstrations?

Are we talking racial prejudice? Social injustice? Unemployment? The uber-rich verses the other 98%? What's the message? I think the message got hi-jacked.

[Lord Sidious]

There frustration of what? what is there for them to be frustrated about, laws, ethics or education?. I am 19 I seen for my self how tough it can be growing up in a neighborhood where police are patrolling, doing random drug searches on people of my own age. I choose not to be a part of it, there is noting to be frustrated about there's opportunity's there to create a promising standard of living if you choose it, but there is those who prefer to be in a gang, hang around shops, smoking, drinking or dealing, its there choice and not the fault of society, they have the opportunity to be educated and abide by the law, thats what makes a healthy society. They cant be babysitted for there whole life. So if they choose to go out a loot and engage in these acts its there choice and not the fault of anyone else.

Do you have any idea how our ancestors were treated in England?
If you did, you would know EXACTLY what these people mean.
I hope that you don't get knocked out of the spot you are in by life.
A lot of us do. I had people plot to kill me in the army and they did.
I have had to fight every government dept possible over the past twenty years just to get by.
I know what they mean, I hope that you never find out.

[Rocky_Shorz]

anyone ever notice how close the words, anarchist and antichrist...

they see these terrible riots against the country as the latter...


They attacked a Mosque next to where Washington's Family came from...


is someone trying to tell me something?

[Jeremy]

The socioeconomic system is the very foundation that gives rise to many of these issues. And some had been more privileged when they were younger. For example, impoverishment, tyranny, treason, and too many confining man-made laws can provoke a violent reaction. But of course, everybody has the potential to calm down, transmute and transcend. And that comes naturally, at its own pace and nexus for each individual.

[Jeremy]

My above post was a reply to Adi.

[Lisab]

My son went to a festival last month and him and mates struck up a conversation with two black youths. My son and his mates were smoking a joint and sharing with the black guys. My son said that two undercover cops came from nowhere and threw the two kids to the ground ignoring my son and his mates who so obviously had the dope. My son and his friends protested for the guys holding up the joint to show it was theirs but the cops just told them to eff off.
As Ulli pointed out in a previous post a couple of days ago,these kids are not cause but a symptom of a dysfunctional society. It was a real eye opener for my son.
And by the way as someone with past on off addictions I don't encourage my son - we talk. X

[norman]

What the Prime Minister is proposing will blow up in his face if it ever comes out that someone was killed or seriously injured during a riot because their phone was switched off and they couldn't call for help.

[cellardoor]

The looters played right into the hands of the police, which were very slow in responding might I add. It seems there are some individuals in parliament who would like to see water cannons and rubber bullets on the streets of the uk. Along with the censoring of the internet and banning face masks and a general downgrade of peoples rights of cause. They are certainly making the most of this golden opportunity. But ask your self how is a water cannon going to stop looters? They want these things for big scale protests, because they're scared to death of an uprising. They know they haven't got the man power to cope with these issues so they are clamping down big time. And how is the further abolishment of liberty and freedom received in parliament? with cheers and applause. This is a sad day people. These old men need to wake up and smell the angry population, their paradigm cannot sustain in this density. And they know it. Rejoice.

[Billy]

Everyone is role playing, the stage is set for the next act, the down trodden get pissed off, inoccent people are killed, the Government and Police make more intended mistakes, the drama unfolds.

In the meantime great people wake up. and clean up all the mess. :angel:

[Adi]

Your poor English ancestors, have YOU any idea how the Irish where treated by those scumbag British troops who invaded and occupied Ireland for over 500 hundred years, probably not, another self centered British ideologist I suppose.

""I hope that you don't get knocked out of the spot you are in by life.""

If you could only know what has gone on in my life you might not throw little snares like that at me, my whole life has been the subject of some messed up experiences, hence how I came across PA, try living a day to day life where you cant say a bloody word to anyone about what has happend to you for fear of being sectioned onto a psychiatric ward, trust me mate you have no idea that **** that goes on.

[TigaHawk]

There frustration of what? what is there for them to be frustrated about, laws, ethics or education?. I am 19 I seen for my self how tough it can be growing up in a neighborhood where police are patrolling, doing random drug searches on people of my own age. I choose not to be a part of it, there is noting to be frustrated about there's opportunity's there to create a promising standard of living if you choose it, but there is those who prefer to be in a gang, hang around shops, smoking, drinking or dealing, its there choice and not the fault of society, they have the opportunity to be educated and abide by the law, thats what makes a healthy society. They cant be babysitted for there whole life. So if they choose to go out a loot and engage in these acts its there choice and not the fault of anyone else.


So you believe in the stereotypical "bad people" of society - and think that its ok that the world is the way it is because you're able to keep yourself distant from it by not participating in stuff outside you're home?

What can they do other than invoke violence to make themselves heard?

They have tried peacefull protests and demonstrations - the police themselves were the culprits of starting violence and turning the protests/demonstrations into violent kettling pits.

Write to you're local PM? Tried that. Got sent back a copy and paste "thanks for you're concern but we dont care we're doing this anyway because we deem its better for you" reply in the mail.

You're even harassed, abused and searched for no reason other than simply being there.

Any attempts at makign yourselves heard, or making the people incharge listen and realise that life is so screwd up for you because of what they've done/are doing, fall on deaf ears or are responded too with violence.


What does a child do when they are ignored and unheard? They chuck a violent tantrum.


What has just happend in england, and all around the world? The people feel their lives are that bad because of bullcrap the government does and continues to put into place - they try pleading , they try protesting, and they're met with a forcefull "Shut up and take it" responce. People are doing by instinct the only thing they know to work. Getting angry, and chuckign a tantrum.


But how can you honestly sit there and call others foul under the basis that you're not involved with it - so it must be ok if its not effecting you personaly - even tho you admit life is hard and the government is intent on making it even harder and miserable for you!

And how selfish of you to think you're the only one who's ever had a hard time in life, or across great hardship or been the victim of mindgames or worse. I think you'll find everyone here has had their fair share of hell and worse. You do not see us using it as an excuse, we learn from the experience and put our best foot forwards and dont dwell nor take pity on ourselves due to the things in life we've endured.

[Adi]

I can believe what ever I want to believe, I can express what ever opinion I want to express. If your reading what I post and feel like you must comment on what you don't like what I have to say go right a head, say what you want, tell me I am selfish, tell me that what I believe is wrong and that I should really be viewing reality from the perspective that you do and others on here do too. Post what ever you feel towards me, because at the end of it you just continue on and on and on into an obis and what comes from it, NOTING but more negativity and primaraly EGO, thats all it is.

So go ahead and post something really nice and profound and make my day because honestly it makes me better!

[thunder24]

Adi,

chill out...some people post to show another view point so that we can all get a synthesis to our understandings and perspectives on a situation. I can't speak for anyone else, but don't get to upset, how dull would the world be if we all agreed?:p

peace

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Ktlight ....I was watching an interview thurs morning on ITV daybreak programme.( I'v been looking for link,cannot find yet)...a female former gang member now a youth worker said although there are always underlying tension between the poorer communities and the police , these were sparked off by the gangs going 'Midnight Shopping' as they call it and things literally spirreled from there and as the first groups realised the police were caught off guard through phones and social networks more youths and kids got drawn in.A combination of warm light evenings,school Holidays and summer madness set in........Whether agent provocatuers were involved is not clear ? Still out on that one.....
The police responce was from the start playing catch up , many officers would be on leave and off shift so to respond to multiple incidents straight away was immpossible,and the stand off tactics were probably wrong as things escalated but thats easy in hindsight. I can see with what we know that it could have been set up as you say to create the knee jerk reaction the polititions are spouting all sorts of crack downs and Murdoch has deffinatly dissapeared off the front pages....
I was wondering what the News of the worlds headlines would have been !!!!! something nauseous....

We must not forget the innocent victims in all this and vandalism which is sickening and upsetting for any community whatever there Status in this so called classless society
As you say however it started spontanious or provoked it has put us back in fear mode that is always dangerous and can cause paranoia as on a dark/satirical note this 1981 police sketch by Michael Palin points out ,it has serious tones of how things have developed over the past 30 years also bearing in mind it was made during the early 1980's riots........Also bear in mind with police cuts due and redundencies looming a little bit public of disorder and rioting would not do their cause any harm!!!

J75H_rmMD7k cheers Steve

[Lord Sidious]

Your poor English ancestors, have YOU any idea how the Irish where treated by those scumbag British troops who invaded and occupied Ireland for over 500 hundred years, probably not, another self centered British ideologist I suppose.

""I hope that you don't get knocked out of the spot you are in by life.""

If you could only know what has gone on in my life you might not throw little snares like that at me, my whole life has been the subject of some messed up experiences, hence how I came across PA, try living a day to day life where you cant say a bloody word to anyone about what has happend to you for fear of being sectioned onto a psychiatric ward, trust me mate you have no idea that **** that goes on.

I'm not english ya nugget, I am of Irish stock too.
That is who I was referring too, our kin when they were in england.
And my comment wasn't meant as an insult or ''snare'', it was meant as a nudge that not everyone is doing well out there, just because we don't feel the same anger as some of the people who are out on the streets doesn't mean they have no reason to feel that way.
Please accept my apology if you were offended by my post.

[TigaHawk]

So go ahead and post something really nice and profound and make my day because honestly it makes me better!


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/funny-pictures-youre-perfect-for-me.jpg

[Billy]

I can believe what ever I want to believe, I can express what ever opinion I want to express. If your reading what I post and feel like you must comment on what you don't like what I have to say go right a head, say what you want, tell me I am selfish, tell me that what I believe is wrong and that I should really be viewing reality from the perspective that you do and others on here do too. Post what ever you feel towards me, because at the end of it you just continue on and on and on into an obis and what comes from it, NOTING but more negativity and primaraly EGO, thats all it is.

So go ahead and post something really nice and profound and make my day because honestly it makes me better!

The other side of the nugget coin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eocDKX3qCro


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk5uGAhr_x4&feature=related

[Adi]

As Bob Dean would say, " A bunch of nit-wits!

[christian]

Ok, Im very open to the elites agenda and all there intricate ways about getting there control of the populace, but for goodness sake these are thugs who are looting your nation, its not the government doing this, its those little pricks running riot because they live in a social structure that dosent work right, but that is no excuse for the inconceivable disgust they have caused on the streets of England.

Its all well and good sitting on one's computer and writing about what they see on the news and coming to there own conclusions about how the government is plotting some devious method of control, ignoring the fact that business, homes and people have all been destroyed.

Wake up and get real with the issues, sure the governments are not all what they seem, but the men and women on the streets trying to calm the tentions and bring those to justice are the ones who should be highlighted.

Totally agree with that, but the issue here is the government shutting down social networks. The police was ordered to stand down during the looting. The police could just arrest people who call for a particular act of crime, whether online or on the street. No need to shut down social networks.

If the police would have reacted immediately, there would not have been no fuzz about it, just "pricks tried to loot, we got 'em sacked". They waited and now they got the chuzpe to come in with such draconian measures.

[Martin]

I'll have to say though that for me it once again feels a little bit to much like a classic problem-reaction-solution scenario. The timing aswell as the organization of it just make it look like an orchestrated or induced event. Finding willing people to do such shameful things and recrute them sadly isn't a big problem within our messed up social structures. I am feeling sorry for all the people that have to deal with all this at the moment, but I just can't buy the medias interpretation of all this. Most politicians probably loving the current events as it makes it much easier to introduce or even implement some new nifty tools and looking "good" while doing it.

Btw. is it true that people in England "scream" for death-sentences or live-long social cuts for the culprits and their families? I heard this yesterday? It's madness. Just as cutting of the hands of a robber etc.

Whatever the reasons are for this there are reasons ... always. I just hope that this does not develop into a witch-hunt like scenario, but sadly whatever the reasons for all this are it surely was all clear to me since a long time that stirring up social tensions is a big part of the equation. So let's do not forget about that. It's always easy to just condemn and hate what seems to be pure evil, but it's due to those stereotypes that mankind has been played with for ages.

Martin

[ktlight]

Btw. is it true that people in England "scream" for death-sentences or live-long social cuts for the culprits and their families? I heard this yesterday? It's madness. Just as cutting of the hands of a robber etc.
Martin

This was reported on the mainstream media, ie TV and newspapers. Impossible to know whether it was for real.

[Billy]

Ok, Im very open to the elites agenda and all there intricate ways about getting there control of the populace, but for goodness sake these are thugs who are looting your nation, its not the government doing this, its those little pricks running riot because they live in a social structure that dosent work right, but that is no excuse for the inconceivable disgust they have caused on the streets of England.

Its all well and good sitting on one's computer and writing about what they see on the news and coming to there own conclusions about how the government is plotting some devious method of control, ignoring the fact that business, homes and people have all been destroyed.

Wake up and get real with the issues, sure the governments are not all what they seem, but the men and women on the streets trying to calm the tentions and bring those to justice are the ones who should be highlighted.

Totally agree with that, but the issue here is the government shutting down social networks. The police was ordered to stand down during the looting. The police could just arrest people who call for a particular act of crime, whether online or on the street. No need to shut down social networks.

If the police would have reacted immediately, there would not have been no fuzz about it, just "pricks tried to loot, we got 'em sacked". They waited and now they got the chuzpe to come in with such draconian measures.

I agree, If the Police had acted as soon as the information about the riots and gatherings was being posted on the internet many of the riot organizers could have been stopped in their tracks.

This is what happened in Scotland when a teenager tried to jump on the bandwagon and incite a riot in Glasgow. IP address found then arrested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/glasgow-boy-arrested-facebook-riots

A 16-year-old boy is due to appear in a Glasgow sheriff court on Wednesday for allegedly inciting riots in the city using Facebook.

Strathclyde police said the youth was detained following a raid on a property in the south of the city on Tuesday after a posting appeared on Facebook inviting people to follow the rioting and looting in English cities.

It emerged on Tuesday that a Facebook user from Cessnock, south Glasgow, had proclaimed himself "the most hated man in Glasgow" after he set up a page called "Glasgow Riot Friday 12th August 2011" on Monday evening.

He wrote on Facebook that he had been visited by police..

Early on Tuesday, he added: "Most hated man in Glasgow by any chance? Haha am (sic) all over Twitter n Google"

The page was quickly closed down after dozens of other Facebook users in Glasgow attacked his actions, adding phone numbers for Crimestoppers and reporting him to Facebook.

Strathclyde police said it had no intelligence to suggest there was any trouble planned in its area, but was "continuing to monitor the situation".

It urged members of the public to call the police if they learned of any plans to cause or incite disturbances.

Fiona Taylor, a Strathclyde assistant chief constable, said the force was closely watching social networking sites after it emerged that Twitter and Facebook, but particularly untraceable messages using the BlackBerry smart phone messaging service, had played a significant role in organising many disturbances.

In a statement, Taylor said: "This detention shows that we are monitoring the situation closely and we will take decisive action to prevent anyone inciting violence of any kind in Glasgow or anywhere else in the force area.

"Communities in London and other cities in England have been outraged at the disgraceful scenes of destruction and looting that they have witnessed, and we are sure that communities here would be just as horrified to think that anyone was trying to incite similar acts of mindless criminality.

"The action we took today should act as a strong warning to anyone who is thinking of causing trouble here."

In response to the unprecedented pressure on police forces in England, Scottish chief constables have offered to send reinforcements.

The Association of Chief Police Officers Scotland said the Scottish police's information and coordination centre was identifying spare officers and specialist resources if they were requested by forces south of the border.

[norman]

Prime Minister David Cameron has today (Monday) declared an "All Out War" on "GANGS".


I wonder if he intends to start with the one at the very top?

[phillipbbg]

A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity.[1] In current usage it typically denotes a criminal organization or else a criminal affiliation. In early usage, the word gang referred to a group of workmen. In the United Kingdom the word is still often used in this sense,

The word gang derives from the past participle of Old English gan, meaning "to go". It is cognate with Old Norse gangr,[2] meaning "journey.

One possible GANG he may be thinking of is the LORDS.................Mmmmm

[Lord Sidious]

Prime Minister David Cameron has today (Monday) declared an "All Out War" on "GANGS".


I wonder if he intends to start with the one at the very top?

We get this rubbish all the time in reference to the 1% clubs.
As I have said to people here, the most dangerous ''gang'' in western australia is the big blue gang, aka the wa police.
When was the last time the Hells Angels pepper sprayed some guy in his front yard?
Hauled someone out of their car and beat them?
Murdered a stack of women?