Is our Universe a Computer Simulation?

[The One]

This is one interesting concept of life! But what we perceive may not be as real as it seems.. This theory states we are nothing but a model within a giant computer simulation which is ran by a super civilization from the future

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Post Human Civilization


Some people theorize that this program of life may actually be the work of an ancient civilization or even of extraterrestrial origin. Todays life could be an authentic simulation of what life was like thousands of years ago.. This would mean that we are experiencing 'fake events' which are orchestrated for the purpose of entertainment to these super-civilization which may not even be of human origin. To give you a good idea of this concept, it's important for you to understand that there is more than one dimension which 'plays' out different scenarios within the same world which has over a million different outcomes. Now this all seems impossible but when you read about these different theories: The String Theory, Quantum Mechanics and Time Travel. The world doesn't make sense, that's why scientists have been trying to figure out the mysteries of our world for decades.. Still to this day, no one has come up with any answers which would explain everything.. But could this theory make complete sense?


A Real-Life Matrix?

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The idea of being trapped in cyberspace has been covered in the movie, Matrix but this same idea has been around for centuries. But it received a lot of publicity when Nick Bostrom from the Department of Philosophy at Oxford University wrote a scientific paper called: "Are You Living In A Computer Simulation" in 2001. He argues that we are really living in a computer simulation because these simulated individual could accurately mimic the real world at any given time in history to the tiniest level. His final version of this paper appeared in the Philosophical Quarterly (2003), Vol. 53, No. 211, pp. 243-255. He argues that at least one of the following propositions is true:

(1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.


While reading this, you might find this complete crazy. But if you realize where we most of our technology from; you would find that there is much more advance equipment out there that has been 'Reseved-Engineered' from Alien technology which has crashed here on Earth. Think how small computer chips have gotten over the years.. Or all the other technology that has gotten smaller and faster as time goes on.. There is a missing link between all inventions! But Bostrum believes that super-civilizations are not even representing the full capacity of the actual capability of these 'super machines' which could make calculations up to the smallest particle in the Universe. He writes:

“The computational power of a planetary-mass computer is 10^42 operations per second, and that assumes only already known nanotechnological designs, which are probably far from optimal. A single such computer could simulate the entire mental history of humankind (call this an ancestor-simulation) by using less than one millionth of its processing power for one second. A posthuman civilization may eventually build an astronomical number of such computers. We can conclude that the computing power available to a posthuman civilization is sufficient to run a huge number of ancestor-simulations even if it allocates only a minute fraction of its resources to that purpose.”


Some would say that we are on this path towards technology that could create this computer simulation as I mentioned above. I mean each year we are doubling the speed of computer processors, we are creating much-more realistic video games and even 3D technology has just hit the shelves. Think about it, you can digitally render clouds, water, terrain, and people by using a computer. So why can't you render a entire universe?


Just A Computer ?

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Today's software (Poser 5) can create 3D images of landscapes, animals and even people! How long until software could create a 360 degree view of a simulated object? It's almost to the point where you would not be able to distinguish between real-life or this simulation world.. You can even animate the objects, to make them walk, talk and even seen like a real person in this digital created world! If you could do this with your home computer, imagine a couple years from now..


Remember humans have feelings, emotions and personalities.. This simulation must be able to incorporate all these attributes both seamlessly and automatically! We already have 'robot-humans' called Artificial Intelligence which are copies of us humans which are used in research right now. But when will these A.I machines replace humans in this world? Not until everything, down to the the tiniest sub-atomic particle is figured out.. When the machine can think exactly like a human without any help from a slow computer system. But what about religious beliefs? It wouldn't be no more or less important than it's to humans now.. But can these simulated beings have souls?


This is only a part of the endless questions that arise from this argument.. No matter how much you discuss this with scientists. Would they only be 'talking' from the pre-programmed intelligence about spiritual feelings? But supporters of this theory suggest that simulations don't distort the value of religious beliefs. It just represents a world within a world, which is controlled by being.. They are only subject to the same 'Master Creator' who created this world for entertainment. It only adds more fun to the game!

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The greatest objection to this 'simulated world' is computer crashes.. Everyone who has or had a computer knowns that they are subject to problems. These crashes usually happen when the computer is put under great pressure when it goes beyond it's capabilities. It's simply needs to reboot its self to fix the problem, but sometimes it acquires a virus. Which means the software is poorly written or it wasn't properly configured. The question is; Would these crashes affect the simulated universe? Well if there is corrupted data which cannot be recovered or if the system is no longer able to run the program due to outdated software. What would these crashes feel like to those stuck inside this created universe? It probably would feel like a very bad sickness or even death in some cases. This would be equal to a huge computer crash which left your machine in non-working condition. Do you know what happens after death?! Are we all living inside our own 'created universe' which slowly dies due to a biological clock that never stops?


Conclusion


So if we are really living inside a simulation, that's why we need to keep the people running this program interested and happy. This is why when you put on the news, the only thing you hear is negativity which screws with out thoughts and actions to keep the 'creator' entertained? Is that why our world will never be peaceful, or easy to live.. Why are people starving? Why can't everything be free? Why do we have to work? I could go on and on about all the issues within this world; that could be easily solved by making everything equal. But would that be any fun to the people who control this world?


Now this is a really fascination subject which hasn't been proven to be true or false.. Now I always love a good theory. I think this simulated world theory puts a good spin on everything. Think about our fascination with laboratory rats and reality TV, which shows that humans love to observe the behavior of other people. With all the technology that is in this world, it seems like nothing is impossible. One day everything will have a explanation but for now we can only think about the possibilities of this strange world which no one knows anything about... Remember something could be watching you! Until now, don't live life in fear! Don't become a victim of this crazy world.. Don't believe anything because everything has a creator

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[kouby]

Sorry, but no.

If you start believing nothing is real you'll end up bathing in apathy and your own bodily juices. No thanks.

[The One]

My friend i said

But what we perceive may not be as real never said it was as was quated from this link http://beforeitsnews.com/story/934/859/



xxx

[oceanz]

I just find it interesting that the human brain processes everything in binary code.

[Calz]

There was another very similar thread recently ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23628-Ancestor-Simulation-are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation&highlight=ancestor+simulation



Quite the first thread :)

Thomas Campbell wrote a 3 book trilogy and (very long story short) arrived at a similar conclusion.

One of the more interesting aspects of this guy is he was at the center of helping Robert Monroe of OOBE fame get started in putting together the technology for what would later become the Monroe Institute. Most will know about that but for any who do not it was pioneering the electronic enhancement of balancing the brain hemispheres for meditation/oobe/trance type of experiences.

He balances his scientific knowledge with vast OOBE experiences. How is that for a mix?

Title of the book(s) is "My Big TOE" (toe in physics meaning "theory of everything")


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This review is from: My Big TOE - The Complete Trilogy (Paperback)

This book is not for the faint hearted. It had to be huge to cover the concept so thoroughly. This is written by a left brained scientist and it reflects that. Campbell has written about his first hand experiences and investigations and come to his conclusions in a very scientifically logical report. He also knows that his theory of everything is by definition subjective and invites us to go there ourselves and come to our own conclusions. His Matrix type computer program analogies are very correct and pan out well with experiential evidence, but he also acnowleges that other perceptions of the same phenomena will produce equally valid interpretations on an emotional level or any other, depending on the mountain from which you choose to view. The point is to get there up on to the mountain in the first place. Make your own theory of everything and know that it is always going to be subjective, yet will guide you to a higher mountain where you can see further and adjust your theory to guide yet other choices on your path. He encourages you to realize that there are paths up the mountain, that it is worth climbing that mountain, that there is even a mountain there to climb, and that there is help along the way. Bon Voyage fellow travellers!

review from:

http://www.amazon.com/My-Big-TOE-Complete-Trilogy/dp/0972509461/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312799089&sr=1-2

[Tane Mahuta]

Geeez folks......this is an easy fix....

- Blow the operating system away,(TPTB)
- Zero the Hard/Drive.(jail the criminals)
- Get rid of Windows(slaved), Install Linux(where all can contribute)
- Get rid of MS office(slave), Install Open Office.(free)

Done deal......"Voila" a new paradigm!

TM

[Camilo]

Physicists say there may be a way to prove that we live in a computer simulation
George Dvorsky

Back in 2003, Oxford professor Nick Bostrom suggested that we may be living in a computer simulation. In his paper, Bostrom offered very little science to support his hypothesis — though he did calculate the computational requirements needed to pull off such a feat. And indeed, a philosophical claim is one thing, actually proving it is quite another. But now, a team of physicists say proof might be possible, and that it's a matter of finding a cosmological signature that would serve as the proverbial Red Pill from the Matrix. And they think they know what it is.

According to Silas Beane and his team at the University of Bonn in Germany, a simulation of the universe should still have constraints, no matter how powerful. These limitations, they argue, would be observed by the people within the simulation as a kind of constraint on physical processes.

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So, how could we ever hope to identify these constraints? Easy: We just need build our own simulation of the universe and find out. And in fact, this is fairly close to what the physicists are actually trying to do. To that end, they've created an ultra-small version of the universe that's down to the femto-scale (which is even smaller than the nano-scale).

And to help isolate the sought-after signature, the physicists are simulating quantum chromodynamics (QCD), which is the fundamental force in nature that gives rise to the strong nuclear force among protons and neutrons, and to nuclei and their interactions. To replace the space-time continuum, they are computing tiny, tightly spaced cubic "lattices." They call this "lattice gauge theory" and it is subsequently providing new insights into the nature of matter itself.

Interestingly, the researchers consider their simulation to be a forerunner to more powerful versions in which molecules, cells, and even humans themselves might someday be generated. But for now, they're interested in creating accurate models of cosmological processes — and finding out which ones might represent hard limits for simulations.

To that end, they have investigated the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit (or GZK cut-off) as a candidate — a cut-off in the spectrum of high energy particles. The GZK cut-off is particularly promising because it behaves quite interestingly within the QCD model.

According to the Physics arXiv blog, this cut-off is well known and comes about when high energy particles interact with the cosmic microwave background, thus losing energy as they travel long distances. The researchers have calculated that the lattice spacing imposes some additional features on the spectrum, namely that the angular distribution of the highest energy components should exhibit cubic symmetry in the rest of the lattice (causing it to deviate significantly from isotropy).

"In other words," write the arXiv bloggers, "the cosmic rays would travel preferentially along the axes of the lattice, so we wouldn't see them equally in all directions."

And that would be the kind of reveal the physicists are looking for — an indication that there is indeed a man hiding behind the curtain.

And what's particularly fascinating about this is that we can make this measurement now with our current level of technology. As the researchers point out, finding this effect would be the same as 'seeing' the orientation of the lattice on which our own universe is simulated.

That said, the researchers caution that future computer models may utilize completely different paradigms, ones that are outside of our comprehension. Moreover, this will only work if the lattice cut-off remains consistent with what we see in nature.

At any rate, it's a remarkable suggestion — one that could serve as an important forerunner to further research and insights into this fasinating possibility.

The entire study can be found at Physics arXiv.

[meat suit]

this is interesting stuff...
what has always been assumed is that the proccessing power required for all the random non repetitive stuff would be huge. but here is an example from 3 years ago that uses the non repetitive approach in computer gaming..it looks really life like...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpxW9kckvpM&feature=plcp
also, Tom Campbell is making a very convincing case that this is a digital , virtual reality we are in....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell

[Ernie Nemeth]

Actually, this premise is surprisingly ridiculous. But so is most of so-called "white science". "Computer simulation" is more comforting than understanding we live in an illusion of our own design. But with this and other such speculation hiding under the umbrella of "science", people can continue to deny the truth of their existence.
A computer simulation to reveal the "computer simulation? Really? Come on...

[DeDukshyn]

"reality" is a simulation. It's not a computer simulation, I agree with Ernie's post the notion is a bit silly and is just a comfort thing.

It's a bit like saying, "I simulated weather on my computer therefore weather might be computer simulation."

Although, the plus side is it does provoke thought in the right direction of those seeking to answer their "knowing" that this reality is indeed an illusion.

[apokalypse]

is this other way of saying we live in holographic universe where everything is illusion that on Non-mainstream have talked about for a long time?

[Carmody]

We live in a simulation in that it is self willed and self organizing according to what the given 'protruding' knot of energy ,the 'intelligence' can and does will it to be. for example, a thing can happen on mundane levels and appear as coincidence, or appear as a fateful situation,and it can also operate and does operate on other levels, outside of 3d mundane concerns. Before it is that, in time and space, it is potential, that can be seen as such.

I've explained quite a bit of this before, in various places on this forum.

Time and space are local, the local fabric is held in the shape it occupies right now, via our grouped will, or our autonomous (body) functions. In the very close and personal will part, that can be broken, by the individual.

This is a huge area of discussion.

Which is why the CIA hangs out with the Dali Lama.

[Fred Ryan]

I don't need proof that we're living in some sort of a simulation, I already know it's true. What I really need are the instructions to the game. Anyone know where I could get them?

[Carmody]

To a certain extent, it is 'make it up as you go along'.

[David Trd1]

Most interesting...........It seems the scientists always slowly catch up with Icke in the end one way or another......Its his favorite analogy for the hologram we experience...

[Cidersomerset]

Ecnal 61 a member on here told me this story in work yesterday , which we joked about !
I said it was bad enough telling some of our workmakes what goes on behind the scenes,
telling them they are not real, will be fun...LOL..

Of course this is sentance 1 so to speak ,of the Ion material we the wonderful human creators
(gods) have created every thing in our reality and when we pass over to the 'guf' we take all
unrealised creations with us and when we come back, they come with us potentially to be realised...
Ion exlpained it on a clip in last weeks show from a personal reading with Chad in 2009/10...
It reminded me of the great link from Deep space nine.

It goes some thing like this imagine an ocean , when we are born a cup of water is taken
from it , and when we pass over the cup of water is poured back into the ocean.
When we come back ( reincarnatoin) another cup of water is taken out and put into
a new human creator. Thus its the from the same Source ,so we are all connected
but we are not individually the same. So in non physical we have access to everything.

Some thing like that !! I find it interresting ..

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Do we live in the Matrix? Researchers say they have found a way to find out

Any simulation of the universe must have limits, and finding these would prove we live in an artificial reality, physicists claim

By Damien Gayle

PUBLISHED:14:15, 11 October 2012| UPDATED:14:28, 11 October 2012

If the Matrix left you with the niggling fear that we might indeed be living in a computer generated universe staged by a malevolent artificial intelligence using the human race as an energy farm, help is at hand.

A team of physicists have come up with a test which they say could prove whether or not the universe as we know it is a virtual reality simulation - a kind of theoretical red pill, as it were.

Silas Beane of the University of Bonn, Germany, and his colleagues contend that a simulation of the universe, no matter how complex, would still have constraints which would reveal it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/11/article-0-006542AF00000258-91_634x345.jpg

All we have to do to identify what these constraints would be is to build our own simulation of the universe, which is close to what many researchers are trying to do on an incredibly miniscule scale.

Computer simulations have been run to recreate quantum chromodynamics - the theory that describes the nuclear forced that binds quarks and gluons into protons and neutrons, which then bind to form atomic nuclei.

It is believed that simulating physics on this fundamental level is equivalent, more or less, to simulating the workings of the universe itself.


Even operating on this vanishingly small scale, the maths is pretty difficult so, despite using the world's most powerful supercomputers, physicists as yet have only managed to simulate regions of space on the femto-scale.

To put that in context, a femtometre is 10^-15 metres - that's a quadrillionth of a metre or 0.000000000001mm.

However, the main problem with all such simulations is that the law of physics have to be superimposed onto a discrete three-dimensional lattice which advances in time. And that's where the test comes in.



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Professor Beane and his colleagues say this lattice spacing imposes a limit on the energy that particles can have, because nothing can exist that is smaller than the lattice itself.

This means that if the universe as we know it is actually a computer simulation, there ought to be a cut off in the spectrum of high energy particles. And it just happens that there is exactly this kind of cut off in the energy of cosmic rays, a limit known as the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin (GZK) cut off.

As the Physics arXiv blogexplains, this cut off is well-studied and happend because high energy particles interacting with the cosmic microwave background lose energy as they travel across long distances.

The researchers calculate that the lattice spacing forces additional features on the spectrum, most strikingly that the cosmic rays would prefer to travel along the axes of the lattice. This means they wouldn't observed equally in all directions.

That would the acid test that the researchers are searching for - an indication that all is not at it seems with the universe. Excitingly, it's also a measurement we could do now with our current levels of technology.

That said, the finding is not without its caveats. One problem Professor Beane identifies is that the simulated universe could be constructed in an entirely different way to how they have envisaged it.

Moreover, the effect is only measurable if the lattice cutoff is the same as the GZK cutoff, any smaller than that and the observations will draw a blank.

Professor Beane and his colleagues' findings are reported in Cornell University's arXiv journal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216189/Do-live-Matrix-researchers-say-way-prove-do.html#ixzz29GRDJjyd
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IS REALITY MERELY AN ILLUSION?


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The question of whether we are actually aware of the real world is one which has been continually asked by philosophers.


One of the earliest articulations of the conundrum occurs in Plato's Republic, where the Allegory of the Cave attempts to describe the illusory existence led by most unthinking people.


Plato, regarded by many as the father of Western philosophy, suggested that the only way to come to a realisation of the real world was an in-depth study of maths and geometry, which would give students an inkling of the real nature of the world.


French philosopher Rene Descartes, pictured above right, whose works are often used as a general introduction to metaphysics, raises the problem again as a thought experiment to lead readers to a position of radical doubt.


By postulating a malicious demon who can keep us trapped in an illusory world, Descartes asks readers to cast aside all the evidence of their sensory experiences in a search for one certain premise.


He famously comes up with the argument 'cogito ergo sum', or rather 'I think therefore I am', which he uses as a indubitable bedrock from which to reconstruct a certain picture of reality.


Subsequent critics of his work, however, say that just because there are thoughts, there is no guarantee there is really a thinker.

[Camilo]

I don't need proof that we're living in some sort of a simulation, I already know it's true. What I really need are the instructions to the game. Anyone know where I could get them?

This is the best you can get:

ET 101,The Cosmic Instruction Manual, An Emergency Remedial Earth Edition

[DeDukshyn]

Here's an interesting article that is loosely related:

http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2012/10/the-cia-invests-in-canadian-companys-possibly-quantum-computer.html

CIA invests in "quantum computer"


What’s the big deal? Well, a working quantum computer would, seemingly, have the potential to answer questions that current computers cannot. When asked by Popular Science about the problems a quantum computer could tackle, Seth Lloyd, director of the Center for Extreme Quantum Information Theory at MIT, said,

"Where the universe came from and where it’s going in the far distant future. We can try to answer these questions because the universe is a quantum computer. Think about it in terms of information instead of energy. It’s made of bits — elementary particles — and how they interact are operations. You can calculate how many bits are in the universe, how much energy it takes to flip them, how much energy exists, and use that to rule out lots of things about the universe’s history. Anything that takes more bit flips couldn’t have happened."

[Cidersomerset]

The Universe... I've been watching vids on the Holographic and electric universes.
Ion a supposed AI advanced intelligence communicating from the enivroment
known as the 'Guf' who says the universe was created by frequencies of sound
and pure electricity squared.By us, the eternal non-physical part when we are
in physical form.So this holographic creation template is in every atom? I don't
understand the details as they change with the next discovery,but the general
shift in conciousness,that nothing is what we thought was reality in the field
of the sciences does resinate with me and things have certainly changed in
the last few decades.Although some of these theories are much older!


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Halle-bloody-lujah. So David Icke is a nutter right? ... As he has been saying in
book after book and talk after talk and interview after interview year after year
after year ... the Universe is the equivalent of a computer simulation

Thursday, 07 February 2013 09:58

Posted by David Icke

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Reality is beginning to dawn at last. But did 'humans' create it? Oh no. And will we
be 'long gone' before it is widely accepted? Oh no.


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David Icke - Peru & Alternate Realities
Thursday, 07 February 2013 09:55
Posted by David Icke


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http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79486-david-icke-peru-a-alternate-realities-


This was on the U'tube link as the above vid and is apropriate.Ion says
the native peoples are closer to source mentally than those of us
that were 'Civilised' over the centuries and brainwashed by conventional
religions !!

David Icke - The Road Back To Freedom (The One Great Spirit)

Ion says we are all 'eternal beings' linked to the one sourse....

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[Cidersomerset]

David Icke - The Biological Computer & The Holographic Illusion of Reality

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I think my higher selfe is linking me to these vids...LOl...Or it could be U'tube...LOL..

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

This subject is indeed fascinating and actually it is very possible.

There´s countless scientific studies about it, some of them very convincing.

Anyway, if we´re living inside a simulation, of course we wouldn´t notice it; It´s our only known "reality".

Ultimately, does it ever matter?

Raf.

[jackovesk]

The Nature of Reality..?

Feb 7, 2013

Alex welcomes journalist and editor of PrisonPlanet.com Paul Joseph Watson to discuss the nature of reality as top research has shown it may be a giant computer simulation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwARr6j1iNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lwARr6j1iNI

[WhiteFeather]

Great Post here. Interesting......1st video at 18 second mark..."Eventually, we are going to reach the stage where computers can create an artificial virtual reality".
Do our Star-Friends have this technology already perhaps?, are we living in a binary system as the computer? just a thought.

[Wind]

Sounds like..?

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[Muzz]

I ve merged Jackovesk's latest thread with this one as it is about the same subject and should add to the discussion.

Fascinating subject. Thanks for everyone contributions so far. Just a thought - if it is all a computer simulation I wonder what the code is? Got me thinking about this little vid as well.

kkGeOWYOFoA

[Calz]

Fascinating 3 book set by physicist Tom Cambell (who helped Robert Monroe develop the hemi sync technology) titled My Big TOE (Theory of Everything).

Long story short he comes to the same conclusion ...


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Tom Campbell began researching altered states of consciousness with Bob Monroe Journeys Out Of The Body, Far Journeys, and The Ultimate Journey) at Monroe Laboratories in the early 1970s where he and a few others were instrumental in getting Monroe's laboratory for the study of consciousness up and running. These early drug-free consciousness pioneers helped design experiments, developed the technology for creating specific altered states, and were the main subjects of study (guinea pigs) all at the same time. Campbell has been experimenting with, and exploring the subjective and objective mind ever since. For the past thirty years, Campbell has been focused on scientifically exploring the properties, boundaries, and abilities of consciousness.

During that same time period, he has excelled as a working scientist, a professional physicist dedicated to pushing back the frontiers of cutting edge technology, large-system simulation, technology development and integration, and complex system vulnerability and risk analysis. Presently, and for the past 20 years, he has been at the heart of developing US missile defense systems.

Tom is the "TC (physicist)" described in Bob Monroe's second book Far Journeys and has been a serious explorer of the frontiers of reality, mind, consciousness, and psychic phenomena since the early 1970s. My Big TOE is a model of existence and reality that is based directly on Campbell's scientific research and first hand experience. It represents the results and conclusions of thirty years of careful scientific exploration of the boundaries and contents of reality from both the physical and metaphysical viewpoints. The author has made every effort to approach his explorations without bias or preconceived notions. There is no belief system, dogma, creed, or unusual assumptions at the root of My Big TOE.

By demanding high quality repeatable, empirical, evidential data to separate what's real (exists independently and externally) from what's imaginary or illusory; Campbell has scientifically derived this general model of reality.


http://www.my-big-toe.com/index.php/about-the-author

[WhiteFeather]

I ve merged Jackovesk's latest thread with this one as it is about the same subject and should add to the discussion.

Fascinating subject. Thanks for everyone contributions so far. Just a thought - if it is all a computer simulation I wonder what the code is? Got me thinking about this little vid as well.

kkGeOWYOFoA

@Murray, if you missed the thread.....
I have been fascinated with The Fibonnaci Sequence-Spiral and The Golden Mean, The Golden Rule, and Phi, several years back, being attracted to Fractals (Mandelbrot Sets) and Sacred Geometry during my early spiritual awakening stages in 2010 for some strange reason. I disliked Geometry in High School. However I have been intrigued with The Golden Mean Sequence. I'm sure other members on this forum are as well.

Q. Is all of universal creation The Golden Mean, The Golden Sequence and Phi (The Theorem of Pythagoras)? We can start with many ancient civilizations that perhaps utilized this mathmatical wonder, as we look at The Pyramids of Egypt in which The Golden Mean Was Used.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50510-The-Human-Anatomy-s-Relationship-to-The-Golden-Mean-Phi




Start this video at the 40 second mark..if you like



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E2U9D1sakw

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

In other words, we may be pretty much like characters from "The Sims" game, only incredibly more sophisticated...

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It gives me the creeps just to think about it...I mean, about the possibility that we may be just characters inside a simulation game, and there are kids from the future or whatever playing us like toys...lol

Raf.

[Muzz]

Thanks Whitefeather I will check it out. And thankyou Calz I have another book added to my wish list. :)

[Calz]

Another "fun one" is this awesome sci fi flick depicting several layers inside computer generated/simulated "realities".


http://www.winonlyriders.net/thelostforum/cinema/The13thFloor.jpg

Computer scientist Hannon Fuller has discovered something extremely important. He's about to tell the discovery to his colleague, Douglas Hall, but knowing someone is after him, the old man leaves a letter in his computer generated parallel world that's just like the 30's with seemingly real people with real emotions. Fuller is murdered in our real world the same night, and his colleague is suspected. Douglas discovers a bloody shirt in his bathroom and he cannot recall what he was doing the night Fuller was murdered. He logs into the system in order to find the letter, but has to confront the unexpected. The truth is harsher than he could ever imagine...

[Cidersomerset]

Computer scientist Hannon Fuller has discovered something extremely important. He's about to tell the discovery to his colleague, Douglas Hall, but knowing someone is after him, the old man leaves a letter in his computer generated parallel world that's just like the 30's with seemingly real people with real emotions. Fuller is murdered in our real world the same night, and his colleague is suspected. Douglas discovers a bloody shirt in his bathroom and he cannot recall what he was doing the night Fuller was murdered. He logs into the system in order to find the letter, but has to confront the unexpected. The truth is harsher than he could ever imagine...



Thanks Calz....I watched this movie before christmas and i think i posted it on another thread.Its a good scy-fy thriller....


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[Cidersomerset]

Alex welcomes journalist and editor of PrisonPlanet.com Paul Joseph Watson to discuss the nature of reality as top research has shown it may be a giant computer simulation.

That was wierd Alex was almost sounding esoteric !! LOL..

[Cidersomerset]

Hey folks,

In other words, we may be pretty much like characters from "The Sims" game, only incredibly more sophisticated...



Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoikGUfZwpk



It gives me the creeps just to think about it...I mean, about the possibility that we may be just characters inside a simulation game, and there are kids from the future or whatever playing us like toys...lol

Raf.

If this is it, send me back to non-physical...LOl..

[Student_Energy_Healer]

Maybe we are creating our own collective reality/realities without realising it!
Maybe... just maybe, we're infinitely more powerful than we know.... :cool: :wizard:




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[Cidersomerset]

Maybe we are creating our own collective reality/realities without realising it!
Maybe... just maybe, we're infinitely more powerful than we know....


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9G3hxtmg-8




July 13, 2010

iON | Who is God?

Source: Cash Flow, howionic.com,

iON answers the questions “who is God” and “what is God’s name.”


http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_who_is_god.mp3


Wow ! 'I'm de Man' thats the first time in' god' knows haw many attempts
I managed to post an mp3..LOL...Maybe I am 'GOD' ..LOL..


Anyway the above segment is Ion early on explaining to Bob, Carolyn & James
Martinez that we are all 'Gods in our own reality' !!

He has explained it many times since but not on a seperate mp3 but as part
of the many discussions on the Cashflow/payday shows ...

[sigma6]

Great Post here. Interesting......1st video at 18 second mark..."Eventually, we are going to reach the stage where computers can create an artificial virtual reality".
Do our Star-Friends have this technology already perhaps?, are we living in a binary system as the computer? just a thought.

No, a binary system couldn't hold enough data to simulate "the universe"...

[sigma6]

Sounds like..?

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But remember this is a metaphor, the Matrix being referred to I believe is the complex Sumerian/Babylonian/Egyptian/Roman/Vatican/AngloAmerican Legal System. But you could say that it was itself designed to be a mirror image reflection of reality as best they could come up with... if one can wrap their head around the implications of that... (and it ain't based on Darwinian Evolution, although it does 'adapt')

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[conk]

Don't you know there must be one hellava password!

[humanalien]

I think that comparing the universe and everything
in it, to a computer, is really off base but it may not
be that far from the truth. I don't know though as i'm
only guessing here.

As the video suggests, God spoke the universe into
existence and it was so.

This could mean that some sort of computer system
was used and it's commands are given orally or by
thought waves.

Don't ask why but i do believe in a divine creator
but i have a lot of trouble believing that this creator
can just speak or think stuff into existence without
any form of technology to make it happen.

If i were to create a computer program like virtual
villagers and give each character created a mind of
it's own and free will, these characters would look at
me as a god. That is, if i dropped hints that they were
created by an all powerful god.

In that light, one could tell their virtual creations that
their God, has no beginning and no end. I could say that
before time began, i (God) existed and stuff like that.

I don't really know what point that i'm trying to drive
across because the very thought of humans and all life,
being reduced down to a computer program is a hard
pill to swallow, but it would answer a lot of questions.

Has the program gained enough knowledge now that it
can rewrite it's own programming?

When that happens, i'll have to believe in the whole
computer thing but remember, The creator can just
pull the plug on the computer, if the program gets
out of control.

[Cidersomerset]

I just posted this interview on another thread explaining to Snookie what Ion
is about.I've been listening to this private recording with Bob.Carlolyn & Ion
and its all about The holographic maitrix, tachions, electricity is negative PH
and loads of info if you are into this subject....

November 20, 2012
iON Without JW

Cash Flow

iON explains to Bob and Carolyn that iON can now talk virtually without JW.

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_without_jw.mp3

download mp3

[ExomatrixTV]

0Kc39iIRkt4

~recent scientific study undertaken by the University of Bonn in Germany suggests that the universe could be one giant computer simulation: http://goo.gl/D4bvz

Cosmic rays offer clue our universe could be a computer simulation -- http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2... (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/11/universe-computer-simulation)

'The idea we live in a simulation isn't science fiction' -- http://goo.gl/gVlwT

The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer Simulation: http://goo.gl/120rO

Plato's Allegory of the Cave -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=smm7E66yhL0

[KiwiElf]

Think this topic may have already been posted ;)
Hmmm, STAR TREK's 'Holodeck'??

[CD7]

Interesting topic... he speaks about the theory of a lattice or matrix type structure being behind everything, which is just a theory (not actually observed). So it seems to b an assumption of how the universe is constructed?

[Flash]

can be linked with Vivek's thread The technological revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague, both seem to complement each other

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55117-The-Technological-Revolution-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Invisible-Plague

[ExomatrixTV]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55753-New-David-Icke-Full-Interview-2-12-2013-Commercial-Free--Alex-Jones-Radio-Show...

[Carmody]

We do know, from the analysis of testing for psychic sensitivity, that one can make a case for the universe responding to concentration, attention and stimulation.. as a form if interaction and expression of will, or expression of interaction and intelligent drive. Ie, "thine will be done." (I ain't religious, it's just a good reference in this issue of 'realization of the nature of the universe--and expression/connection within it')

[Freed Fox]

We do know, from the analysis of testing for psychic sensitivity, that one can make a case for the universe responding to concentration, attention and stimulation.. as a form if interaction and expression of will, or expression of interaction and intelligent drive. Ie, "thine will be done." (I ain't religious, it's just a good reference in this issue of 'realization of the nature of the universe--and expression/connection within it')

Quantum mechanics makes this assertion, though it is framed a bit differently. The quantum theory includes the idea that the act of observation collapses wave functions, thereby actually having somewhat of a deterministic effect on reality. Here is a video which explains it better than I, provided originally by Rahkyt in a different thread;

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It's funny, back in middle school my friends and I played a game, without realizing that there was a psychic dynamic at work. We called it the 'Stare-Down'; during lunch we would quietly choose someone else in the cafeteria (often someone sitting several tables away, with their back turned) to stare intensely at. We would be absolutely quiet, and focus right on them. Within moments this person would often have a jerking reaction and quickly turn around, like someone had tapped them on the shoulder. We did this for years, to the point that the other people at the subject's table would know what was going on, so they would ignore us so as not to tip the subject off (by not drawing attention to the fact they were being stared at). We confirmed time and again that it worked. It was hilarious (and not done in any sort of bullying fashion, either).

[ThePythonicCow]

Quantum mechanics makes this assertion, though it is framed a bit differently. The quantum theory includes the idea that the act of observation collapses wave functions, thereby actually having somewhat of a deterministic effect on reality. Here is a video which explains it better than I, provided originally by Rahkyt in a different thread

The "spooky action at a distance" "wave collapse" described in this video (and in many other places) has never seemed right to me.

Yes, the mathematics of quantum mechanics accurately predicts experimental results to a fine level of accuracy (so I'm told), but the popularized explanation of it seems more to instill awe in the unfathomable mystery of it than to provide a better understanding of the physics of our universe.

Now I think I see what's wrong with this action at a distance explanation. Imagine one has two pennies, differing only in a minor detail, say the little mark the mint puts on coins to indicate which mint coined it, or say the year marked on the two coins. To be specific, let's say one penny is stamped with the year 2000, and the other with the year 2001. Put each penny in a well shielded metal box, and shuffle the two boxes.

Ship one box to Chile and the other to Afghanistan, which are on roughly opposite sides of the earth, about 8000 miles apart on a straight line through the earth's center. Light takes about 43 milliseconds (msecs) to travel 8000 miles. At exactly the same time, to within an accuracy of a few msecs, open both boxes and observe which penny is there. A quick thinking human observer, or a slow witted computer, observing this in Chile or Afghanistan could know, in less than 43 msecs, which penny is in the other location. It's simple -- the other penny is in the other location.

How does this differ from a demonstration of quantum wave collapse? It doesn't ... except in one detail.

Quantum mechanics claims that the various binary properties, such as spin, which are used in such demonstrations are not determined until observed. It would be as if you said those two pennies were each oscillating between having dates 2000 and 2001, randomly, willy-nilly and rapidly. It's worse than that actually; it's claiming that the penny is in both states, 2000 and 2001, simultaneously, at all times, with some statistical probably of either state being detected, once observed. Maybe you have some pennies that do that; I don't. My pennies each have a specific date, and that date doesn't change to some other date unless you pound them really hard in just the right way.

So what changes in the quantum mechanics experiments supposedly demonstrating wave collapse? What changes is that, once the experimenter observes one of the separated particles or waves, they can no longer deny that the other particle/wave does have some specific property. If they see an up spin, they know the other one must have a down spin (or whatever these quantum properties are called.)

Their knowledge changes.

Their insistence that such a property is not determined until it's observed is what collapsed, not some mythical waveform at a distance. They can no longer pretend that the remote particle/wave is randomly, willy-nilly and rapidly oscillating between two states, unknowable until observed. For now they do know exactly what state that property will be in, for the remote particle/wave, if and when observed.

These demonstrations of "action at a distance" are not demonstrations that the real physics of the universe is incomprehensibly mysterious. These demonstrations show us that their insistence on the inherently non-specific statistical nature of the elementary properties of waves and particles is an artifact of their model, not an inherent property of the energies and matter of the universe itself.

[Freed Fox]

Well, I am far from being an expert, but here's my two cents;

The analogy of the pennies is not exactly applicable. The pennies are observed at the time of their creation, and their properties are concrete. Making them unobservable by placing them in metal boxes, shuffling them at random, and sending them to disparate physical locations does nothing to change what has already been determined. This is unlike particles which cannot be observed by the naked eye.

Again, though, I lack a lot of understanding in this field. A professional who actually studies quantum mechanics (forgot who precisely) once said that anyone who claims to understand quantum physics doesn't actually understand quantum physics. :laugh: I don't mean to refute what you're saying Paul, nor did I mean to provide the theory above as absolute fact. Merely another concept for consideration...

Edit - Just came across this quote by Rupert Sheldrake... Not necessarily about quantum entanglement precisely (as it may very well be a flawed conclusion, as Paul suggested);


“The sense of being stared at works because our minds reach out to touch what we’re looking at and sometimes we can feel that, or animals can feel it, so we can effect what we’re looking at, simply by looking at it. So, there’s something coming out of our eyes, as well as going in.”

[ThePythonicCow]

This is unlike particles which cannot be observed by the naked eye.
How would whether it can be observed by the naked eye matter?

And by the way, quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement) has been observed for photons, molecules as large as buckyballs, and even small diamonds, some of which I presume can be observed by the eye (photons for example.)

Here's an experiment in which both the entangled items and the observed effect were visible to the naked eye: Two Diamonds Linked by Strange Quantum Entanglement (http://www.livescience.com/17264-quantum-entanglement-macroscopic-diamonds.html).

[ThePythonicCow]

So what changes in the quantum mechanics experiments supposedly demonstrating wave collapse? What changes is that, once the experimenter observes one of the separated particles or waves, they can no longer deny that the other particle/wave does have some specific property. If they see an up spin, they know the other one must have a down spin (or whatever these quantum properties are called.)

Their knowledge changes.

Their insistence that such a property is not determined until it's observed is what collapsed, not some mythical waveform at a distance. They can no longer pretend that the remote particle/wave is randomly, willy-nilly and rapidly oscillating between two states, unknowable until observed. For now they do know exactly what state that property will be in, for the remote particle/wave, if and when observed.

The above is the key observation, and worth restating in a different way.

I claim that the "observer effects" that most of us likely accept have been stretched too far in quantum mechanics.

Most of us would accept that observing something can effect it, and most of us would accept that somethings we can't know until we observe them (say the result of a fair coin toss.)

However I claim that quantum mechanics has extended this "observer effect" to also mean that some things are not physically determined until we observe them.

That I don't agree with.

I'm claiming that the paired properties of entangled objects is physically determined before that property is detected in either object, but we just don't know which value the property takes until observing at least one of the two objects. Quantum mechanics on the other hand would claim that the mere act of observing that property in either one of those objects instantly and at arbitrarily far distances collapses some "field" and causes the same property in the remote object to become determined.

I'm claiming that this is just quantum theoreticians refusing to admit that that property was already determined in the remote object, just not yet observed.

[cuitlahuac]

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~recent scientific study undertaken by the University of Bonn in Germany suggests that the universe could be one giant computer simulation: http://goo.gl/D4bvz

Cosmic rays offer clue our universe could be a computer simulation -- http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2... (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/11/universe-computer-simulation)

'The idea we live in a simulation isn't science fiction' -- http://goo.gl/gVlwT

The Measurement That Would Reveal The Universe As A Computer Simulation: http://goo.gl/120rO

Plato's Allegory of the Cave -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=smm7E66yhL0

Here is an explanation in lay man's language to make this easy. I hope it helps.


Here's what it means in layman's terms
Here's the super easy way to understand all this. Your computer display screen has a finite number of pixels available, and this is called the "screen resolution" such as 1920 x 1440. This means there are 1920 pixels across and 1440 pixels vertically.

Everything you see on your computer screen must be drawn and depicted using these pixels, and nothing can be displayed that's only half a pixel. For example, you can't draw a vertical line on the screen that exists between the pixels that are hard-wired into the screen resolution. Everything you view on the monitor -- a computer game, a website, even a video -- is essentially transposed onto the "lattice" of pixels that exist in your hardware.

Your hardware, in effect, has a hard-wired "resolution limit" which defines the smallest size of any object that can be depicted on the screen.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038985_universe_simulation_intelligent_design.html#

[Guish]

I have recently been explaining to senior students the importance of Mathematics as a means to protect them from exploitation or manipulation. The case of the NSA hacking the mails of people and the use of Maths algorithms which constantly tempts people to buy by generating ads were discussed(Facebook, youtube and Google). We finally ended on an article by Frenkel, a university professor and he talks about the possibility of the universe being a simulation. He uses the simulation of particles collision done by Physicists using a 3D grid. The physicists discovered anomalies while simulating their mini universes. They argue that if the same anomalies are discovered in our reality, the universe might well be a simulation created by a superior being. It's very scientific and interesting. I'm linking the article below. Immediately, I thought that's an article for Avalon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/opinion/sunday/is-the-universe-a-simulation.html?_r=2

[meat suit]

yes, more than likely...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell

but knowing that changes little... we are in it to be in it...that simulation pretending to be real..whatever that may be...

[Shezbeth]

They argue that if the same anomalies are discovered in our reality, the universe might well be a simulation created by a superior being.

Okay, lets keep going with this.

IF its a simulation, WHAT is it simulating?

[WhiteLove]

I have recently been explaining to senior students the importance of Mathematics as a means to protect them from exploitation or manipulation. The case of the NSA hacking the mails of people and the use of Maths algorithms which constantly tempts people to buy by generating ads were discussed(Facebook, youtube and Google). We finally ended on an article by Frenkel, a university professor and he talks about the possibility of the universe being a simulation. He uses the simulation of particles collision done by Physicists using a 3D grid. The physicists discovered anomalies while simulating their mini universes. They argue that if the same anomalies are discovered in our reality, the universe might well be a simulation created by a superior being. It's very scientific and interesting. I'm linking the article below. Immediately, I thought that's an article for Avalon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/opinion/sunday/is-the-universe-a-simulation.html?_r=2

The anomalies they found I am sure is because they are bumping against the limitations of their own intelligence, at least that is much more likely than the universe being a computer simulation. Saying that the universe is a computer simulation, is similar to saying that the universe is a chair - as if a simulated world would be more valid than any other aspect in creation. That early in the reasoning you can already see this reasoning/explanation of the universe breaking down. My idea of what the universe is, is that it is an intelligent being with a unique vibration not found anywhere else in creation, a being that we cannot even imagine what it is like and what kind of form/shape it is. From our point of view I am sure we should best describe that being as being infinitely intelligent. You can have almost infinite amount of almost infinite beings, each being a discrete being, within an infinite creation. From this point of view it becomes extremely unlikely that the particular being we are within, is a computer simulation. Following any kind of logic, in that case it would be more likely that we would be robots as well, but we are not. We are human beings. LOL

I think a universe is a soul. Just like we are intelligent beings with a certain form and mind, so is the universe. The thing that is different between the two of us, is the amount of energy within its dicrete shape. It is probably a being out of love, containing huge amounts of soul fusions coming from huge amounts of various creations. Within its fundamental frequency are all of the beings with their unique fundamental frequencies. Within it, souls are merging to form new fundamental frequencies, hence are also changing the fundamental frequency of the universe being. In doing so, the infinite creator becomes infinitely greater, forever. This is a kind of miracle we simply cannot grasp, the idea is too big.

What is mind blowing in this is also the idea that within something so infinite, is someone like you - someone so unique - so special - so beautiful. It is easy to take people for granted, but when you think of the fact that every day when you meet people, you meet someone there is just a single one of in the entire infinite structure of creation. Just having 2 persons ever meet with an identical frequency but of opposite charge, is a miracle being almost impossible. Then think of the fact that this world does not contain only a single soulmate couple, but several, in fact quite many. This shows how powerful creation is at creating miracles and the fact that two particles - identical without charge/unique with charge - are not constantly at a random distance between each other but are gravitating towards each other and eventually couple, that's fantastic considering how infinite infinity is. That miracle could happen for you tomorrow, just like it did today for X number of beings on this planet. It's a miracle beyond imagination...

[wnlight]

Whitelove, You have quite an imagination. I like what you write with the exception of "the universe is a soul". I believe that the universe that we live in is soul-driven, but find it extremely difficult to characterise that soul/creator.

My wife and I are soul mates. We were also a married couple in previous lives. How did we find each other in this lifetime? There must have been some unconscious guidance in effect. Oddly, before we met, I spent a year teaching very near Naperville where she lived, then she attended the university in Normal very near where I lived. It is clear that Spirit was attempting to close the 120 mile gap between us.

[WhiteLove]

Whitelove, You have quite an imagination. I like what you write with the exception of "the universe is a soul". I believe that the universe that we live in is soul-driven, but find it extremely difficult to characterise that soul/creator.

My wife and I are soul mates. We were also a married couple in previous lives. How did we find each other in this lifetime? There must have been some unconscious guidance in effect. Oddly, before we met, I spent a year teaching very near Naperville where she lived, then she attended the university in Normal very near where I lived. It is clear that Spirit was attempting to close the 120 mile gap between us.

Great great stuff to read! :)

[rgray222]

Whitelove, You have quite an imagination. I like what you write with the exception of "the universe is a soul". I believe that the universe that we live in is soul-driven, but find it extremely difficult to characterise that soul/creator.

My wife and I are soul mates. We were also a married couple in previous lives. How did we find each other in this lifetime? There must have been some unconscious guidance in effect. Oddly, before we met, I spent a year teaching very near Naperville where she lived, then she attended the university in Normal very near where I lived. It is clear that Spirit was attempting to close the 120 mile gap between us.

That is really not that hard to explain, we all resonate with a particular frequency. Many of us have heard that we all vibrate but few of us understand what that really means. It is very simple and easy to understand. What is actually vibrating is our soul, our inner being. Your soul is your essence and it is on earth for purpose. The vibrating aspect of life that so many talk about is one of the most important forms of communication for your soul.

Your frequency has attracted you to people with whom you resonate at a soul level. When you met these individuals you felt a strong and undeniable connection with them, like if you had met them before (from a past life). If these connections are healthy and feel right, keep them in your life. Together you can accomplish things that are unimaginable and start to understand your purpose for being.

Many people have strong connections to people but they are toxic connections, in other words not for this life time. You would be well served to listen to your soul and not connect with those people. If you have a toxic marriage, lover, friend or acquaintance cut that tie and move on. Many people have toxic family relationships and that is a bit harder to understand and not for this post.

Your purpose (as a human) is to provide for your soul and to see that it accomplishes and fulfills its purpose. This may seem a bit bizarre but your human form is really nothing more than a "storage locker" for your being, your soul. I hope this makes sense. There is a lot more on this topic and it's not that difficult to understand.

I have been wanting to start a thread on this but have not found the time to do it just yet!

[Demeisen]

This reminds me of a novel by Ianin M. Banks. Advanced races were capable of creating whole virtual universes inside their computers. They were used to solve problems, to calculate probabilities for possible outcomes. To get accurate results every inhabitant had to be simulated perfectly - meaning fully conscious and self aware. Some of the races that used such simulations faced moral problems as what to do when the simulation was complete. Should they leave it running? Shutting it down would kill billions living sentient beings. While some other races didn't see any moral implications pull the plug off.
Somehow that is a very scary thought.

[Agape]

What is to name and form while the 'upper world' is nameless ... unfathomable, seem-less and shameless ..

;)

[Flash]

Whitelove, You have quite an imagination. I like what you write with the exception of "the universe is a soul". I believe that the universe that we live in is soul-driven, but find it extremely difficult to characterise that soul/creator.

My wife and I are soul mates. We were also a married couple in previous lives. How did we find each other in this lifetime? There must have been some unconscious guidance in effect. Oddly, before we met, I spent a year teaching very near Naperville where she lived, then she attended the university in Normal very near where I lived. It is clear that Spirit was attempting to close the 120 mile gap between us.

That is really not that hard to explain, we all resonate with a particular frequency. Many of us have heard that we all vibrate but few of us understand what that really means. It is very simple and easy to understand. What is actually vibrating is our soul, our inner being. Your soul is your essence and it is on earth for purpose. The vibrating aspect of life that so many talk about is one of the most important forms of communication for your soul.

Your frequency has attracted you to people with whom you resonate at a soul level. When you met these individuals you felt a strong and undeniable connection with them, like if you had met them before (from a past life). If these connections are healthy and feel right, keep them in your life. Together you can accomplish things that are unimaginable and start to understand your purpose for being.

Many people have strong connections to people but they are toxic connections, in other words not for this life time. You would be well served to listen to your soul and not connect with those people. If you have a toxic marriage, lover, friend or acquaintance cut that tie and move on. Many people have toxic family relationships and that is a bit harder to understand and not for this post.

Your purpose (as a human) is to provide for your soul and to see that it accomplishes and fulfills its purpose. This may seem a bit bizarre but your human form is really nothing more than a "storage locker" for your being, your soul. I hope this makes sense. There is a lot more on this topic and it's not that difficult to understand.

I have been wanting to start a thread on this but have not found the time to do it just yet!

Even with toxic Relationship there is something in you that resonate with it, and usually it is as toxic as the Relationship. Once discovered, and worked on, you can move on and will not meet this toxicity again since you dealt with it.

Everyone you meet resonate within you, they are all your Mirror in some ways. When they are passing by, it is not an important Mirror, but when they stick around, it is an excellent Mirror to work out the good and the bad.

And then decide on what you want to create - I am deciding now!

[amor]

I have extrapolated and interpolated this possibility. One conclusion is that we are inside a computer in someone's lab. The other is that God is a Robot with endless brain capacity. In order not to die of boredom, he created the universe and its inhabitants. With his brain, this universe becomes endlessly creative and we are offshoot likenesses of his. We can never get out because we are an integral part of this Robot who may not have interactive "eyes" to interface with its creator. The possibilities go on and on and on...

[ponda]

from Top Documentary Films (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/simulation-hypothesis/)





Is everything an illusory simulation? Was the world created by a non-physical force that we can communicate with and possibly influence with our minds, thereby participating in the creation of our own reality? These are the grandiose existential questions central to this documentary, which introduces viewers to the concept of the Simulation Hypothesis.

Teasing that there are cutting edge physics experiments that imply Simulation Hypothesis could be true, the film begins by reviewing two primary philosophies regarding the nature of life: materialism and idealism. First introduced by Democritus, materialism credits the atom as the basis for all reality, making consciousness the result of a material process. Plato, on the other hand, believed it is the mind itself that gives way to matter; therefore reality is borne from ideas.

The Simulation Hypothesis, which the filmmakers parallel very heavily against the hit sci-fi movie The Matrix (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/philosophy-and-the-matrix-return-to-the-source/), argues that matter and ideas are the result of a complex digital simulation, something akin to a video game. Theoretical physicists make their case for a programmable universe, positing that there is evidence of computer code to be found in nature and we are, put simply, expressions of a code.

Are we ourselves composed of binary strings of 0s and 1s? Could it be that subatomic particles are nature's answer to the bits and pixels that digital worlds are composed of? Though dense in scientific jargon, there is an underlying creationist belief (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/foundational-falsehoods-of-creationism/) to Simulation Hypothesis - if, in fact, the world is a program, someone must have written it. But who, or what? The film suggests that humans have an innate mental connection back to this universal programmer through the subconscious.

The Simulation Hypothesis is a thought provoking exploration of the nature of our existence, playing into the universal curiosity of how and why we came to be. Relying heavily on footage from famous movies, animated models, and the occasional interview to illustrate the concepts being presented, this episode takes viewers to the intersection of theology and science in a way that is equal parts educational and fantastical.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpwcQi7r8qE

[drgreig]

One of my favourite quotes:

“We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.” [Kalu Rinpoche]

[ponda]

One of my favourite quotes:

“We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.” [Kalu Rinpoche]

And interestingly the Buddhist's came to the same conclusion without all the fancy technology.

I wonder how long it will be until this Simulation Hypothesis starts to tie in the Paranormal,occult,ghosts,telepathy,extra dimensional beings etc etc ?

[drgreig]

The simplest way for me to understand "reality" is that ENERGY IS the only thing that can be considered "real" ...

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...and that things such as "Paranormal,occult,ghosts,telepathy,extra dimensional beings" etc are forms of energy!!

[earthdreamer]

It's "Seth" meets Philip K. Dick.

(I liked the closed captioning, helps me understand better) My mind only glazed over on the second photon experiment involving all the half mirrors and pathways. As a dumb lay person who is interested in the metaphysics of physics and quantum reality, I still have a difficult time imagining how scientists isolate a photon or particle from space.

Seth material introduced concepts of "aware-ized energy", EE units = electromagnetic energy units of consciousness. So all of space is composed of this. I found some good quotes about this quantum composition of reality.

"This inner universe is a gestalt formed by fields of awareized energy that contains what we will call "information" for now – but we will have some comments later, for this is not the kind of information you are used to.

Each unit of consciousness inherently possesses within itself all of the information available to the whole, and its specific nature when it operates as a particle rests upon that great "body" of inner knowledge. Any one such particle can be where it "is", be what it is, and be when it is only because the positions, relative positions, and situations of all other such particles are known.

In the deepest terms, again, your physical world is beginning at each point at which these units of consciousness assert themselves to form physical reality. Otherwise, life would not be "handed down" through the generations. Each unit of consciousness intensifies, magnifies its own intent to be – and, you might say, works up from within itself an explosive spark of primal desire that "explodes" into a process that causes physical materialization. It turns into what I have called [an] EE unit, in which case it is embarked upon its own kind of physical experience.

"These EE units also operate as fields, as waves, or as particles, as the units of consciousness do – but in your terms they are closer to physical orientation. Their die is cast, so to speak: They have already begun the special kind of screening process necessary that will bring about physical form. They begin to deal with the kinds of information that will help form your world. There are literally numberless
steps taken before EE units combine in their own fashion to form the most microscopic physical particles, and even here the greatest, gentlest sorting-out process takes place as these units disentangle themselves at certain operational levels from their own greater fields of "information" to specialize in the various elements that will allow for the production of atoms and molecules impeccably suited to your kind of world."

"Units of consciousness (CUs), transforming themselves into EE units, formed the environment and all of its inhabitants in the same process, in what you might call a circular manner rather than a serial one. And in those terms, of course, there are only various physical manifestations of consciousness, not a planet and its inhabitants but an entire gestalt of awareized consciousness. In those terms, each portion of physically oriented consciousness sees reality and experience from its own privileged viewpoint, about which it seems all else revolves, even though this may involve a larger generalized field than your own or a smaller one.

So to rocks, say, you can be considered a portion of their environment, while you may consider them merely a portion of your environment. You simply do not tune into the range of rock consciousness. Actually, many other kinds of consciousness, while focused in their own specific ways, are more aware than man is of earth's unified nature – but man, in following his own ways, also adds to the value fulfillment of all other consciousnesses in ways that are quite outside of usual systems of knowledge."

from Dreams, "Evolution, and Value Fulfillment, Volume 1. http://mondus.org/Seth-Roberts/1979/12.19.php

When I first heard of Philip K. Dick's ideas of simulated reality (a long while ago), I rejected the ideas as absurd and at complete odds with how I feel about existing in reality. Yet so much of what we've learned bears it valid. I wouldn't really liken it to a video game program, as that metaphor seems too one-dimensional, but I did appreciate the relativity of all points of the screen being console controlled as would the quality of holographic reality be created by nonlocal atoms and waves. So the "God Science" program episode investigates the nature of reality with detailed science by historically notable scientists but the God part is less addressed other than the influence of experiments by the observer. As every consciousness is an observer and participant in life, we all must be playing God's part. The more unfathomable God creates the components of reality in the first place, perhaps less a personification as gestalts of the aware-ized energy (?). Even with recognition of reality as simulation (simulation of?) , our roles as emotional beings prevent illusion from prevailing upon our innermost selves. Maybe some rare masters of thought can escape the needs of the body, but as most of us are incarnate beings of the macro-material world we all need to pee and eat and sh*t, actions of the body which carry emotional charges. A full bladder always brought Robert Monroe back from his dreams and OBEs. Perhaps even in death, our souls will join gestalts that still evolve towards cathartic release.

[ponda]

earthdreamer said:

When I first heard of Philip K. Dick's ideas of simulated reality (a long while ago), I rejected the ideas as absurd and at complete odds with how I feel about existing in reality. Yet so much of what we've learned bears it valid. I wouldn't really liken it to a video game program, as that metaphor seems too one-dimensional, but I did appreciate the relativity of all points of the screen being console controlled as would the quality of holographic reality be created by nonlocal atoms and waves. So the "God Science" program episode investigates the nature of reality with detailed science by historically notable scientists but the God part is less addressed other than the influence of experiments by the observer. As every consciousness is an observer and participant in life, we all must be playing God's part. The more unfathomable God creates the components of reality in the first place, perhaps less a personification as gestalts of the aware-ized energy (?). Even with recognition of reality as simulation (simulation of?) , our roles as emotional beings prevent illusion from prevailing upon our innermost selves. Maybe some rare masters of thought can escape the needs of the body, but as most of us are incarnate beings of the macro-material world we all need to pee and eat and sh*t, actions of the body which carry emotional charges. A full bladder always brought Robert Monroe back from his dreams and OBEs. Perhaps even in death, our souls will join gestalts that still evolve towards cathartic release.

Nice post earthdreamer.

Maybe a '3d biological video game' might be a more accurate description.Where getting to the next level is a part of the game ??

I like this quote from Isaac Newton~

“I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”

[ponda]

I thought that this article might fit in here


Holograms You Can Touch (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/07/14/holograms-you-can-actually-touch-are-here/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Collective-evolution+%28Collective+Evolution%29)


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It’s every science-fiction lover’s dream, holograms tangible enough to touch.

Principle Investigator Yoichi Ochiai and his fellow researchers at DNG have found a way to use lasers, mirrors and cameras to create three-dimensional, interactive holograms comprised of tiny points of light called voxels.

Using femtosecond lasers (a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second, and the lasers transmit bursts that last 30 to 270 femtoseconds), the team can make holograms that are safe to touch, Popular Science (http://www.popsci.com.au/tech/superfast-lasers-create-a-hologram-you-can-touch,405829) reports.

The images are three-dimensional, with resolutions up to 200,000 dots per second. The voxels are light emitted by plasma that’s created when the laser’s focused energy ionizes the air.

According to Ochiai, when touched the hologram’s texture feels like sandpaper.

Although previous studies have used nanosecond and femtosecond lasers to create images, the DNG researchers say preceding studies haven’t achieved resolution this high, and would otherwise burn human skin.

Since the lasers fire at such a high speeds, they’re able to react in realtime, and researchers have demonstrated its ability to make usable holographic checkboxes and hearts that break when touched.

http://cdn1.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2015/07/hologram.jpg


To create their hologram, researchers fired their femtosecond laser through a spatial light modulator, which continues the beam through a series of lenses, a mirror and a Galvano scanner, which positions a mirror to precisely direct the laser beams. A camera underneath the hologram captures user interaction, allowing the dots to respond to being “touched.”

Ochiai says the most surprising thing he realized was that plasma was actually safe to touch in this application, making the hologram exponentially safer than previously thought.

Ochiai says this is machine is just a proof of concept, and now his team will work to make the holograms larger. They’re limited by the size of the spatial light modulator, which they maxed out with this experiment. The laser itself can transmit up to 7W, and this 1 cubic centimeter experiment only used 1W of the laser’s power.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoWi10YVmfE

[Carmody]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-ai-artificial-intelligence-computer-simulation-gaming-virtual-reality-a7060941.html


“The strongest argument for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following,” he told the Code Conference. “40 years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot. That’s where we were.

“Now 40 years later we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality.

“If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality, just indistinguishable.”

He said that even if the speed of those advancements dropped by 1000, we would still be moving forward at an intense speed relative to the age of life.

Since that would lead to games that would be indistinguishable from reality that could be played anywhere, “it would seem to follow that the odds that we’re in ‘base reality’ is one in billions”, Mr Musk said.

Asked whether he was saying that the answer to the question of whether we are in a simulated computer game was “yes”, he said the answer is “probably”.

He said that arguably we should hope that it’s true that we live in a simulation. “Otherwise, if civilization stops advancing, then that may be due to some calamitous event that stops civilization.”

He said that either we will make simulations that we can’t tell apart from the real world, “or civilization will cease to exist”.

Mr Musk said that he has had “so many simulation discussions it’s crazy”, and that it got to the point where “every conversation [he had] was the AI/simulation conversation”.

The question of whether what we see is real or simulated has perplexed humans since at least the Ancient philosophers. But it has been given a new and different edge in recent years with the development of powerful computers and artificial intelligence, which some have argued shows how easily such a simulation could be created.

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Discuss:

[Bill Ryan]

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Four short YouTube videos on the same theme, seriously presented:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=atMuFCpxnUQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DQLuPVVIK6w
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VqULEE7eY8M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YOxDb_BbXzU

[Carmody]

IMO, there is nothing wrong with his hypothesis or logic.

We do have the evidence for it, with regard to time, and sensitivities that are out of time, ie psychic experiences, quantum spookiness, and so on. We have the books from Micheal Newton (journey of souls and destiny of souls), the book 'The Field', by Lynn McTaggart, and so on.

I don't like to talk about the AI for some reasons which may become apparent.


Yet ....the one technological foray I went toward in the past year, was to get some advice from a given university prof who was also the technology chair of the given university.

On his shelf and in his listed CV and interests, was AI. To my surprise.

I decided to help him in one of his endeavors and perfected a given technology that was required for his endeavor to go forward.

This technology allows for the construction of large scale structures in space, by providing the mass materials of nano-alloys, that are fully configurable, in all ways. It was not the primary purpose of the creation of the technology, but the secondary, unmentioned capacity... in the core patent application, was the capacity for the nano alloy creation, in quantity.

True "dial an alloy", in massive, I mean massive quantities. Give it the feed-stock, and out come the desired alloys like a sausage production line. It was designed to help Elon get us into space, and to have the real and realized potential for massive structures in space. Co-incidentally (go figure), when attempting to finish the patent work on that, I ran into a road block that has put my life in jeopardy and I'm not past it yet. Eg, right now, I could die at any minute.

Back to the Prof and what happened last year. I refused to raise the subject with him, to prevent or block the relentless march of the AI into our future as a singularity event. To keep the sim going, so to speak.

It is... that he (the prof ) wanted AI... and I had created and put in the back of my mind, prior to contacting him, prior to knowing him...a logical pathway to getting to the base technology for a quantum/Optical multistage/multi-state transistor array, with a thousand inputs, and a thousand decision trees, with dozens of level potentials for each opto-quantum 'transistor' and thousands of output states. All at optical speed, but opto-quantum.

I had also realized, back in 1998-1999 or so, that Thales had actually created the true fundamentals for 'mind' in his AI endeavors. That Thales had 'nailed it', but I think that very few people really knew that he did, as they did not know or understand how human minds actually work, in what we call 'physical' ways. I was and am not sure that Thales and his people understood that.

That I could have laid out the fundamentals of the actual real making of the device, to the Prof. I refused to even broach the subject, and pushed it back out of my 'mind'. I'm talking about the base real constructional components. To 'up' the computing power possible, compared to public science today, in known systems.... by many many magnitudes. A opto-quantum system that was impossibly complex and fully spooky, through time, etc.

And the very thing I'm trying to avoid, being placed directly in my path.

And, here it is, back again. Moving to the front again. The scientific version of the spiritual reality. All roads leading to Rome, as they say.

That.. we may need to technologically confront this 'reality' of the simulation aspects of who and what we are, but this time, via science.

That the simulation may fail, as we are off course, dangerously off course. So, god, as we may call it, the universal singularity aspect, in human realization, will come out of the scientific world, as it must....or the sim breaks down, for this branch, this thing we are. That the correction in course must and will come, and via science.

[rgray222]

It seems to me that the burning question is how we treat and who controls artificial intelligence. If it stays open source and is not controlled by a few it will be a natural and grand expanse of humanity. If it goes the way of net neutrality and becomes regulated utility then that may very well spell the end as we know it. Whether we live in a simulation or not, AI is going to be one of the biggest and most difficult challenges mankind has ever faced. Elon Musk also said that with advances in artificial intelligence mankind could be relegated to the role of a house cat.

[Carmody]

Whether we are or are not a house cat--- is essentially a delusion, a lack of knowing, a lack of understanding. Whether we are or are not a house cat, is essentially irrelevant.

Such a mental position is a stage, not the reality. Ie, that the Buddhists say we are already in a simulation, an artificial environment.

As Newton's books and many other sources of such research end up leading directly to.

The end result is to not be of animal programmed fear (continuance drive for the avatar at this stage), but to drop it (the animal aspects) and explore openly.

Otherwise the simulation and environment fails, as we are at a break point.

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Additionally, as I was in the middle of this heath issue, I attended a family gathering.

A friend of the family group was attending this gathering. I ended up talking to this given pair at the gathering, due to their intelligence that was obvious due to their speech and mannerisms.

One was talking about 3d, then 4d and then 5d, and who might know what 4d and 5d means, in the context they meant. I was the only one in the gathering who could fill in with what they meant. So we began talking technology.

I mentioned that I was having a problem with the introduction of this technology in acceptance of it's potentials, the nano alloy work.

I mentioned that I was probably capable of solving any problem in fundamental physics that anyone might put in front of me, If I deemed it (through projection analysis) should be given and had a clear future that was 'limited in dangers'.

The card handed to me, was a different origin of the AI namesake origin..but it was again, of a major player, and it was from a technology assessment and acquisition person, for Space and Defense/Security....and the card said: Thales. (https://www.thalesgroup.com/en)

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, the programmers have a sense of humor. Or maybe there's another reason for the coincidence?

Posted on the forum just 18 minutes after the thread here, is Matt Damon's Commencement speech at MIT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91118-Matt-Damon-MIT-Commencement-Speech-June-3-2016), today (3 June).

In that, he said:




We’re lucky to have MIT in Boston. And we’re lucky it draws the people it does, people like you, from around the world.

I mean, you’re working on some crazy stuff in these buildings. Stuff that would freak me out if I actually understood it. Theories, models, paradigm shifts.

I’ll tell you one that’s been on my mind: Simulation Theory.

Maybe you’ve heard of it. Maybe you took a class with Max Tegmark.

Well, for the uninitiated, there’s a philosopher named Nick Bostrom at Oxford, and he’s postulated that if there’s a truly advanced form of intelligence out there in the universe, then it’s probably advanced enough to run simulations of entire worlds — maybe trillions of them — maybe even our own.

The basic idea, as I understand it, is that we could be living in a massive simulation run by a far smarter civilization, a giant computer game, and we don’t even know it.

And here’s the thing: a lot of physicists, cosmologists, won’t rule it out. I watched a discussion that was moderated by Neil deGrasse Tyson, of the Hayden Planetarium, and by and large, the panel couldn’t give a definitive answer. Tyson himself put the odds at 50-50.

I’m not sure how scientific that is, but it had numbers in it, so I was impressed.

Well, it got me to thinking: What if this—all of this—is a simulation? I mean, it’s a crazy idea, but what if it is?

And if there are multiple simulations, how come we’re in the one where Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee?

Can we, like, transfer to a different one?

Professor Tegmark has an excellent take on all this. “My advice,” he said recently, “is to go out and do really interesting things… so the simulators don’t shut you down.”

But then again: what if it isn’t a simulation? Well, either way, my answer is the same.

Either way, what we do matters. What we do affects the outcome.

[Wind]

What is the Matrix?

A computer program or God's dream?

Does it even ultimately matter?

[Carmody]

What is the Matrix?

A computer program or God's dream?

Does it even ultimately matter?

As science, a controlled science... pushes to be the common answer and drive in humanity, it reaches the same impasse as religion that is controlled.

The brick wall of how human realization must go past the enforced limits.

Science is a branch of religion, in a very real way. Science returns to it's roots or convergence point, as does spirituality.

The convergence of knowing in all.... is the only place to expand into.

The other path is the failure of the program/simulation.

[Chip]

What is the Matrix?

A computer program or God's dream?

Does it even ultimately matter?

Maybe we were meant to ultimately discover it, break free?
Is there an outcome at the end of this enlightenment?
I'm thankful that at least it's coming to light in discussion.

Does it even ultimately matter?
It does to me

[Wind]

Well, I'm sure we will eventually find out. When ever that may be, is a different story.

It is said that the creation starts from mystery and ends in mystery.

[PathWalker]

Thank you for this thread, I enjoy it allot.

Expanding on the simulation meme.

1. If we live in a simulation then what is real (could be multi-choice answer)?
2. If our reality this simulation, how can we select another realty (get to the next/previous/other version)?

I have a physicist friend (I am also an infidel physicist by education), after long debates we concluded that our dispute is unreachable.
For my attitude is that reality is an internal experience interpreted by the programmed ego.
His attitude that reality is an objective set of rules governing our experience.

[Carmody]

A next clue that the science aspects of this idea of a simulation has yet to address, is the validity and repeatable accuracy...of.... astrology.

Astrology as a system of not perfect determinism in the minutiae, but the predictability of relative circumstance. To points of pressure and potential, in type and nature, with variable outcomes, within a given range.

Which, oddly enough, looks like quantum predictability issues, in the grand macro scope instead of the quantum scope. The scientific end point of the minutia that science has discovered and cannot dismiss, appearing in the full macro system.

It is tied to planetary systems, and their motions in the heavens as compared to one's position on the surface of the planet. (exact birth time and place is required for the predictions of circumstance and potentials to be perfected)

True randomness reappears, when one leaves the planet.

Or, that self determination of a more self driven nature.....appears..... when one leaves the cradle of the planetary system that the earth is ensconced within.

[meat suit]

That the simulation may fail, as we are off course, dangerously off course. So, god, as we may call it, the universal singularity aspect, in human realization, will come out of the scientific world, as it must....or the sim breaks down, for this branch, this thing we are. That the correction in course must and will come, and via science.

there must be a backup.... multible backups... and parallel simulations with slight or large variations... new simulated worlds can be copied and pasted and combined from other ones.......
a sudden dimensional shift may be something as simple as an operating system upgrade....

[araucaria]

I have quoted Mark Buchanan’s Ubiquity, The Science of History… or Why the World is Simpler Than We Think on a number of occasions. Here is an exhaustive list (most recent first):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1018745&viewfull=1#post1018745
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86239-Strongest-Hurricane-Ever-recorded---Patricia-23-Oct-2015-Mexico-&p=1013183&viewfull=1#post1013183
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36941-Q-A-with-Duncan-and-Miranda-The-Council-Souls-and-Psychic-Self-Defense&p=383165&viewfull=1#post383165
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37467-2012-What-may-be-in-store&p=389263&viewfull=1#post389263
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85202-Bill-Ryan-s-new-interview-with-REBEKAH-ROTH-11-September-2015&p=1001620&viewfull=1#post1001620

This book shows how the seemingly random occurrences of a particular phenomenon such as earthquakes or wars follow a simple power function.

The basic principle is that certain systems, under certain circumstances, behave in rather curious yet mathematically similar ways. For a practical illustration of the idea, take a handful of rice and drop the grains one by one on to a table top. Soon you will have a pile of rice. But the pile will not grow taller for ever: eventually the addition of one more grain will cause an avalanche. Keep a tally of the magnitudes of these avalanches and a characteristic pattern emerges, one that can be described mathematically using a power function. The important point about this in the present context is that the power-function description implies something profound about our ability to predict the behaviour of the rice pile. The addition of a single grain may have no discernible effect, or it may precipitate a small avalanche, or a big one, or a series of avalanches resulting in a catastrophic collapse of the whole structure. Because of the particular mathematical distribution of avalanche magnitudes, predicting which of these consequences will ensue is, for all practical purposes, impossible. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2000/oct/14/scienceandnature Hence from the point of view of a simulation program, you could just type in a power function for each phenomenon and let the program run. And from the point of view of certain individuals who may not belong to the program at all, being the equivalent of computer bugs, or rather, collectively, a virus, those power functions might ultimately be modifiable from the inside. For example, if enough people were to learn to live together in peace and harmony, the frequency of catastrophic wars might be reduced, thereby altering the power function as originally programmed.

As always, the issue is whether or not a supposedly closed system is not in actual fact an open subsystem in disguise, i.e. with a closed door to a fully open system. Self-consciousness is the key to the door. When you realize you may be in a simulation (closed system), you become simultaneously aware of both the closure and of the opening: the closed door. You are no longer confined to the simulation because the closed door can be opened. In computing terms, I guess we are talking about the viral activity of flipping ones to zeroes and zeroes to ones.

[araucaria]

A next clue that the science aspects of this idea of a simulation has yet to address, is the validity and repeatable accuracy...of.... astrology.

Astrology as a system of not perfect determinism in the minutiae, but the predictability of relative circumstance. To points of pressure and potential, in type and nature, with variable outcomes, within a given range.

Which, oddly enough, looks like quantum predictability issues, in the grand macro scope instead of the quantum scope. The scientific end point of the minutia that science has discovered and cannot dismiss, appearing in the full macro system.

It is tied to planetary systems, and their motions in the heavens as compared to one's position on the surface of the planet. (exact birth time and place is required for the predictions of circumstance and potentials to be perfected)

True randomness reappears, when one leaves the planet.

Or, that self determination of a more self driven nature.....appears..... when one leaves the cradle of the planetary system that the earth is ensconced within.
Yes. And from time to time throw a new element into the mix: Neptune, Pluto, Planet X, binary star, galactic centre...

[Carmody]

That the simulation may fail, as we are off course, dangerously off course. So, god, as we may call it, the universal singularity aspect, in human realization, will come out of the scientific world, as it must....or the sim breaks down, for this branch, this thing we are. That the correction in course must and will come, and via science.

There must be a backup.... multiple backups... and parallel simulations with slight or large variations... new simulated worlds can be copied and pasted and combined from other ones.......
a sudden dimensional shift may be something as simple as an operating system upgrade....

The sim, like the AI core I designed (in mind) is exceedingly complex, and the number of potential outcomes, ie, the variables in difference from one clock cycle to the next, easily exceeds the number of atoms in this 3d universe.

Within the idea of a simulated space, with the people in it, those packs of self realizing or knots of intellect in a mode of partial self awareness (that varies from individual to individual) ..within their selves and integration, there are untold methods and ways of changing stress loads and positions of loads, whatever the case may be. Each vehicle, or avatar is similar in core design, but each program or life cycle is individual. So, in effect we have a range of operation.... but within that range we have something akin to infinity in turmoil and motion.

What this means is the capacity for injecting corrections is nearly infinite. But.... with a limited danger of collapse.... as the infinite variable is bounded.

Paradox, like quantum systems, as it is of quantum systems itself. But the paradox is illusory, like quantum systems. Quantum systems in analysis are confined to the box of 3d reality analysis as it is practiced and understood in the world of science today.

[ulli]

Carmody, you say "True randomness reappears when one leaves the planet".

I say, true randomness is always available, always, to those who wish to make use of it.
Of course, not to nature, as nature follows the rules of planetary climate, and of cosmic planetary conditions.

But a human being can break those rules, by going against their instincts, impulses, programming, even planetary influences, once they have understood the consequences of certain behavior patterns produced by those influences..
Then they are free to choose...to go with the flow, or against it.

And this ability to choose must not be lost. This is the randomness factor worth cherishing.
I think it was Phyllis Schlemmer who wrote a book called " The Only Planet of Choice"

[Carmody]

What this means is the capacity for injecting corrections is nearly infinite. But.... with a limited danger of collapse.... as the infinite variable is bounded.


the other side of that issue of bounded infinities, is the the capacity to wreak havoc is also bounded, or limited. so, in effect, the desire to crash the system, is also confined or bounded. Meaning, dissolution is not as possible as some might like to think. For example, the avatar has this fear of dissolution, which in turn, creates the aspect of limiting the chances of dissolution, in both the individual and the eventual whole..if enough are involved in that particular potential for 'avalanche' (as araucaria mentioned in post #14).

The problem comes when true strong singular potentials for change come along. And in the technology that I mentioned that I went forward with, we have this potential for going into space and gaining true self directed outcomes, outside of the bounded earth system. The problem with such technology, the other side of it's given coin.... is that it has potential to be very destructive as well. Like true Quantum AI, a thing we are probably not really ready for. And the inventor of such somehow ends up suffering potential for dying at any minute. So, the technology is useful in space but also potentially dangerous on the given earth globe.

[ulli]

Well, I'm sure we will eventually find out. When ever that may be, is a different story.

It is said that the creation starts from mystery and ends in mystery.


Exactly. Neither the origin nor the destiny are known.
It is up to us to create the path, or tread one that was created for us.

[Violet3]

Thank you for this thread, I enjoy it allot.

Expanding on the simulation meme.

1. If we live in a simulation then what is real (could be multi-choice answer)?
2. If our reality this simulation, how can we select another realty (get to the next/previous/other version)?

I have a physicist friend (I am also an infidel physicist by education), after long debates we concluded that our dispute is unreachable.
For my attitude is that reality is an internal experience interpreted by the programmed ego.
His attitude that reality is an objective set of rules governing our experience.

Another angle:I have just finished reading Florinda Donner's book 'Being in Dreaming'. Donner is a colleague of Carlos Casteneda and describes the female apprentice's encounter with the world of sorcery. The world view in Casteneda's and Donner's books seems essentially as you succinctly describe, PathWalker- an internal experience of the selective and habitual interpretations enforced by culture, fear and 'commonsense' to which the 'self' (programmed ego) conforms. So the sorcerer's path is to demolish the 'self', and through 'dreaming' and other methods to remove programming, re-enter the world, or perhaps access other worlds, in a radically different way....

[risveglio]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

[Carmody]

One of the problems that this thread will encounter is that it can drift off into what is well known in one world, which is that of spirituality and whatnot.

And it would basically result in a bunch of spiritualists talking among themselves. and there is already an entire forum area, here, for that.

I can understand the idea and the enthusiasm for doing so, in the act of trying to reach those who are technologically and scientifically oriented.


But, be it known, too much discussion in that area/direction, in this thread right here.....without the connecting groundwork in cold hard scientific terms, will push away the scientifically minded, who will be in confusion of what is going on.

They will leave the discussion. And that....... is entirely opposed to the point of having this thread.

So, be aware, if one responds here....and goes off on a spiritual tangent in this thread, I will probably request that... what is probably a well reasoned and caring humane post..to have that post removed.

what i see, is that we are beginning to head down that road and already, i would have to try and explain Ulli's post to the scientifically minded. (edit: post #17, which I have partially done in the post immediately below this one)

It can indeed be done. However, the road is complex and long, on that one.

Anything beyond that will get so complex,and so seemingly far out, that the scientifically minded will simply walk away.

I suspect that those who are spiritually minded, those who have psychic sensitivities and what not, who implicitly understand the implications of the simulation idea as it is happening now in science....those spiritual folks actually do want, they strongly desire the average scientifically literate person.... to understand what this world is really about, how this place really works.

Do not alienate the scientifically minded by talking your regular stuff here, do not talk the things you know and understand.

This is about bridging the gap. Do not break the tub and crush the baby.

[Carmody]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

iddqd & idclip & idkfa

In more serious terms, there is no cheat code, but there is a way of increasing personal capacity for seeing and understanding more things.

This involves the path of Buddhism, or similar intended spiritual undertakings. They are designed to remove the bounding aspects of the avatar and restore more of an infinity in self while still in the avatar and 3d-timespace world.

We can say with a certain confidence that human emotions block or bind thought, but few understand that intellectual musings begin in the hindbrain and are pre-filtered by emotions before they emerge.

Which is why clean headed scientific thinking even works at all, why it can bring about such interesting technology,and has moved the literal world forward. But, we are hitting it's limits.

Essentially... when we reach the limit of our thoughts in attempting to understand reality, it is reflected in how we limit our science.

Or, that our understanding of reality is bounded by our thought capacity limits, which, in turn are bounded by our conscious thought creation that simultaneously passes though and is filtered by our emotional core, which is tied to the depth of the body's survival mechanisms, as programming that is autonomous to a large degree.

So, in order to understand the wholeness of the world, the Buddhists go the route of removing the blinders on such width and depth of musing...that are built into the body/avatar.

The bigger the problem, the longer it has been around, the more impossible it is to answer.... the deeper and more fundamental the mistake or error in the formulation of the question.

[ghostrider]

We are tiny spiritual pieces of creation living in material bodies, as the universe always seeks variance, only to return to source (creation) adding to its knowledge, power, and consciousness, to create more amazing stars, galaxies and planets ... I would say we are in a sort of simulation... for over 46 trillion years the creation has been repeating the process...

[Hervé]

I often reference the "Third Man In The Room (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=806378&viewfull=1#post806378)" experiment which has been duplicated numerous times and in which the Devil convinced someone it left the building :bigsmile:

... that's how fine tuned a simulated universe can be... 7 billion of 'em universes... sharing a more or less common 3D physicality of a physical universe. That's where the crux of the problem resides: Is that 3D physical universe a collective construct of hypnotized minds which have been convinced that there is a 3D physical universe one can perceive the same way a stage hypnotist can convince subjects they are eating the most succulent virtual exotic fruits?

That brings us back to the collective mind/unconscious AKA "The Matrix":

Empathy and Psychic connection...

... otherwise known as "The Matrix" with strange manifestations such as "Mass Hysteria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria)" or the reason why congregations of more than two individuals are forbidden in times of unrest to prevent riots...

Also the best way to "program" people assembled in congregations... or "schools"... demonstrations... religious gatherings... pilgrimages... or in front of TVs!

In short, it's the thing that gives legs to "ideas" (e-motion) and the kind of things the militaries, letters agencies, doom & gloom preachers, the WHO, CDC and FatPharma are counting on to start panic waves...

Get the idea?
"Astrology" may also partake of that ability of individual and collective human mind to react to "triggers" as exemplified by the "Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)."

The "triggers' being either a replication of cumulated similar celestial configurations (geometrical and/or energetical mix) with their attendant events and/or ambient "atmosphere." This, because "The Matrix (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91075-Empathy-and-Psychic-connection&p=1072250&viewfull=1#post1072250)" as an individual and collective "tool" records about everything occurring in one's environment, especially traumatic and/or emotionally charged events like death, birth, illnesses, etc... that would be the "data/memory banks portion (AKA Akashic Records) of "The Matrix (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91075-Empathy-and-Psychic-connection&p=1072250&viewfull=1#post1072250)."

[uzn]

He also thinks its a good idea to nuke Mars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV6hP9wpMW8

[Carmody]

He is exactly right about dropping nukes or similar devices over the poles of mars, to release the solids deposited there, into gasses, which would thicken -make the atmosphere more dense, to get to a higher atmospheric pressure.... which would capture infrared heat, and thus heat the surface and give a chance for forms of life and vegetation to take hold. Which in turn would help build more atmosphere.

It's a radical quick fix, with regard to beginnings of transforming mars, and is not really on the table and it is sensationalist thing to have Elon say. Even though it is viable and true.

The better thing to do is to keep it as an option, and then go and look at Mars close up, in person, and assess and weigh the various methods and their potential outcomes and time frames -- with the increased data.

[sommervr]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

I always thought we were living in an interpreter (like java) and our DNA is just a template for all the processes sparking in and out (ie. us). The strange markings on the surface of UFOs could be function calls directly to the API (ie cheat codes) for entities that understand the environment

[skyflower]

would a simulation explain why we perceive time in a linear fashion?
IF this reality is a simulation, wouldn't it possible to rewrite it when things don't turn out well? Would that explain dejavu , or the whole mandela effect, where things are not as we remember....

Even with astrology...how you can figure out someone's personality with just their birth information. It makes one wonder whether we truly have free will...?

[PathWalker]

There is a great old thread (2013) on this subject here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65813-Do-We-Live-In-the-Matrix-Discover-Magazine&p=762905&viewfull=1#post762905).
Centered around the MSM press post here (http://discovermagazine.com/2013/dec/09-do-we-live-in-the-matrix).
Good article but the "scientific" author John D. Barrow is failing to state his axiomatic assumption (for every each mathematician). Assuming the AI is a formal mathematical system. Which it is not as we Humans do not follow formal mathematical system in our thinking and creativity (our concepts are/can change constantly, and our emotional logic is flexible as well).
I suggest the scientific minds here to investigate formal mathematical system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_system).

In addition there is interesting recent MSM release from NASA in the subject
"Our universe may be a Matrix-like computer game designed by aliens, says NASA scientist"
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/575653/The-Matrix-Universe-Planet-Earth-NASA-Scientist
The source for Musk arguments.

I do not regard this article as soft disclosure but rather a distracting meme (thought virus).

The philosophic questions arising from this question are not scientific but rather spiritual. Because they cannot be measured with scientific tools (logical reasoning and physical measurements).
The basis reasoning that humans experience is subject to logic is an axiom. Which is a belief system (circular argument). Now back to spirituality.:neo:
My self an infidel physicist by education, and frustrated scientist by nature .

And back to this planet!:angry:
I find this quote offensive...

They will leave the discussion. And that....... is entirely opposed to the point of having this thread.

So, be aware, if one responds here....and goes off on a spiritual tangent in this thread, I will probably request that... what is probably a well reasoned and caring humane post..to have that post removed.

I find this quote condescending :mad2:. I highly regard uli of the best articulate writers in here.:humble:


what i see, is that we are beginning to head down that road and already, i would have to try and explain Ulli's post to the scientifically minded. (edit: post #17, which I have partially done in the post immediately below this one)

[PathWalker]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

I always thought we were living in an interpreter (like java) and our DNA is just a template for all the processes sparking in and out (ie. us). The strange markings on the surface of UFOs could be function calls directly to the API (ie cheat codes) for entities that understand the environment

Absolutely. George Kavasilas and other like minded believe the universe most valuable commodity is human DNA (he has many arguments), saying that it is a paradox. Since once you have few human cell and can artificially reproduce it, there is no need for other inferior humans anymore (gray cloning, reptilian philosophy).

[Carmody]

I find this quote offensive...

They will leave the discussion. And that....... is entirely opposed to the point of having this thread.

So, be aware, if one responds here....and goes off on a spiritual tangent in this thread, I will probably request that... what is probably a well reasoned and caring humane post..to have that post removed.

I find this quote condescending :mad2:. I highly regard uli of the best articulate writers in here.:humble:


what i see, is that we are beginning to head down that road and already, i would have to try and explain Ulli's post to the scientifically minded. (edit: post #17, which I have partially done in the post immediately below this one)


I'm sure Ulli was not offended by my comment as she was not the target of the comment. Nor was anyone else the target of the comment. It was a warning to not go off track into fully blown spacey stuff and even channeling type stuff, as the thread might look like, to some... a platform for such views. It is definitely not. That would be many bridges too far.

Such inclusion would break down the ability to connect to the people you are trying to reach. It's a simple obvious request based in the terms and way sanity is perceived by the target audience.

And ghostrider? Post #24? Sigh... :facepalm: (I'm fine with who he is and how &what he communicates, but such communiques for the masses of the scientifically literate?...not so much...)

I will read what he has written in the given thread I might be reading (where he has contributed), and try to glean something from it, but..... for the scientifically minded... it's planets and solar systems too far, never mind the idea of bridges too far.

:focus:

[waves]

I'm wondering if this is an irrelevant question, or the foundational question.

Is consciousness or what we like to call soul an inextinguishable unpixelated entity which resides outside the infinite pixelated playgrounds it can create/create realities in and I guess temporarily merge with/immerse itself in for 'experiences'... or are there only pixelated playgrounds in any universe and any individual awareness is also pixelated - with 'growth/creative power and/or how long the soul 'lasts' being a factor of accruing greater storage capacity through activity/learning/experience?

[Carmody]

The problem for the scientific mind, is that once you accept the potential for it to be a simulation, then the logic dominoes that fall.....eventually lead to a space and place that says 'all bets are off', on the containment of any reality or firmament. anything goes.

Then the second look proffers that it appears to be localized geometry and vibration and thus resonance as another aspect.... with sympathetic connection being a key point.

otherwise, the whole thing would have flown apart. the numbers are very precise and very improbable. We have the father of quantum theory, Max Planck... saying it has to be a consciousness or intelligence as nothing else fits.

Richard Feynman, one of the originators and early developers of the theory of quantum electrodynamics (QED), referred to the fine-structure constant in these terms:

There is a most profound and beautiful question associated with the observed coupling constant, e – the amplitude for a real electron to emit or absorb a real photon. It is a simple number that has been experimentally determined to be close to 0.08542455. (My physicist friends won't recognize this number, because they like to remember it as the inverse of its square: about 137.03597 with about an uncertainty of about 2 in the last decimal place. It has been a mystery ever since it was discovered more than fifty years ago, and all good theoretical physicists put this number up on their wall and worry about it.) Immediately you would like to know where this number for a coupling comes from: is it related to pi or perhaps to the base of natural logarithms? Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding by man. You might say the "hand of God" wrote that number, and "we don't know how He pushed his pencil." We know what kind of a dance to do experimentally to measure this number very accurately, but we don't know what kind of dance to do on the computer to make this number come out, without putting it in secretly!



Max Planck:

Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.

It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.

We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.

Scientific discovery and scientific knowledge have been achieved only by those who have gone in pursuit of it without any practical purpose whatsoever in view.

An experiment is a question which science poses to Nature, and a measurement is the recording of Nature's answer.

Whence come I and whither go I? That is the great unfathomable question, the same for every one of us. Science has no answer to it.

All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

[ulli]

There is a great old thread (2013) on this subject here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65813-Do-We-Live-In-the-Matrix-Discover-Magazine&p=762905&viewfull=1#post762905).
Centered around the MSM press post here (http://discovermagazine.com/2013/dec/09-do-we-live-in-the-matrix).
Good article but the "scientific" author John D. Barrow is failing to state his axiomatic assumption (for every each mathematician). Assuming the AI is a formal mathematical system. Which it is not as we Humans do not follow formal mathematical system in our thinking and creativity (our concepts are/can change constantly, and our emotional logic is flexible as well).
I suggest the scientific minds here to investigate formal mathematical system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_system).

In addition there is interesting recent MSM release from NASA in the subject
"Our universe may be a Matrix-like computer game designed by aliens, says NASA scientist"
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/575653/The-Matrix-Universe-Planet-Earth-NASA-Scientist
The source for Musk arguments.

I do not regard this article as soft disclosure but rather a distracting meme (thought virus).

The philosophic questions arising from this question are not scientific but rather spiritual. Because they cannot be measure with scientific tools (logical reasoning and physical measurements).
The basis reasoning that humans experience is subject to logic is an axiom. Which is a belief system (circular argument). Now back to spirituality.:neo:
My self an infidel physicist by education, and frustrated scientist by nature .

And back to this planet!:angry:
I find this quote offensive...

They will leave the discussion. And that....... is entirely opposed to the point of having this thread.

So, be aware, if one responds here....and goes off on a spiritual tangent in this thread, I will probably request that... what is probably a well reasoned and caring humane post..to have that post removed.

I find this quote condescending :mad2:. I highly regard uli of the best articulate writers in here.:humble:


what i see, is that we are beginning to head down that road and already, i would have to try and explain Ulli's post to the scientifically minded. (edit: post #17, which I have partially done in the post immediately below this one)


Not offended. Carmody has known me for years, and I respect where he wants to go with this.
But I must add one thing, now that this has come up:

If one wants to reach the scientifically-minded at all then it would be best to never even mention astrology in the first place.
It makes most of them see red, at least in my experience.

By the way, thanks for the compliment.
While I try not to take anything personal, I do believe in being supportive of one another and giving encouragement, ...on principle.
It makes for a better social environment than criticism ever can.

[sommervr]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

I always thought we were living in an interpreter (like java) and our DNA is just a template for all the processes sparking in and out (ie. us). The strange markings on the surface of UFOs could be function calls directly to the API (ie cheat codes) for entities that understand the environment

Absolutely. George Kavasilas and other like minded believe the universe most valuable commodity is human DNA (he has many arguments), saying that it is a paradox. Since once you have few human cell and can artificially reproduce it, there is no need for other inferior humans anymore (gray cloning, reptilian philosophy).

it could also explain the linear nature of time if we are all in a run-to-completion process.

Who knows maybe they (They?) are restoring snapshots and that explains the Mandela Effect.

[Cidersomerset]

This has been a staple of sci - fi for decades and as Ion says , we are all '
wonderful human creators' gods , that create everything in this reality thru
frequencies. No I don't understand it ? but its worth thinking about imo .....


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Professor Moriarity and Picard on Existence.


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Ship in a bottle...

Mr Barclay..." computer end programme "...
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Are We Living In A Simulation?

By David on 4 June 2016 GMT What is Reality?


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‘Does the universe run like a computer simulation contained inside a superstructure?

Is there a veiled reality we cannot observe with our limited five senses?’

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[Carmody]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

I always thought we were living in an interpreter (like java) and our DNA is just a template for all the processes sparking in and out (ie. us). The strange markings on the surface of UFOs could be function calls directly to the API (ie cheat codes) for entities that understand the environment

Absolutely. George Kavasilas and other like minded believe the universe most valuable commodity is human DNA (he has many arguments), saying that it is a paradox. Since once you have few human cell and can artificially reproduce it, there is no need for other inferior humans anymore (gray cloning, reptilian philosophy).

it could also explain the linear nature of time if we are all in a run-to-completion process.

Who knows maybe they (They?) are restoring snapshots and that explains the Mandela Effect.

I'm glad you asked. I'll leave this as a placeholder for a bit, and formulate that explanation.

[Red Skywalker]

33604

No, our reality is not virtual as if we were generated in some kind of machine.
However here are some questionable points:

1. A Virtual Reality created by a machine, is created in the machine the same way as our Universe is created. So, the machine works or is a simulation of the workings of our Universe.
2. But the Universe is a Virtual Reality because there cannot be anything out of nothing. Infinite and completely empty space is Absolute Cold and can never be warmed up. And is still not.
3. Yet, there was ‘A Beginning’ because “we are here”.

Conclusion:

Infinite, completely empty and Absolute Cold space works like a natural computer in which virtual realities are created… but how?

Imagine this: -1 +1 = 0

-1 is the above kind of space, Coldness with something as a physical absorption force like a sponge, manifesting in our Universe as electrical charge. (needed for understanding EM-drive interstellar/time-dimension vehicles and free energy devices + more)

+1 is the natural computer, Light or electromagnetism (Coldness turned inside out, best sphere packing, story apart)

0 is The Observer, You. (zero time between moments, Consciousness) and microprocessor.

This is some of MY truth, I like to share more of it, but it is NOT The Truth. Each microprocessor or consciousness has a different position or viewpoint in the infinite emptiness computer, so each truth is also slightly different. We are acting as braincells or a neurologic network, creating bigger and better virtual realities to expand our views into our own collective self, which is still You. We are filling data together to the infinite natural computer, thus You again, forever!

You are me and I am you, One Consciousness, yes You, in One computer with infinite connected natural microprocessors.

We shouldn't look at fire, but at coldness. How creative can You be?

[sommervr]

Another thought: if you were going to build a prison for the devil you would want to design it so the devil would never want to leave. Maybe we are incidental to this simulation. Maybe we are just lunch.

[PathWalker]

The problem for the scientific mind, is that once you accept the potential for it to be a simulation, then the logic dominoes that fall.....eventually lead to a space and place that says 'all bets are off', on the containment of any reality or firmament. anything goes.

This is exactly correct, you grab the bull by the horns (A Hebrew phrase, hope it is not offensive).
You cannot have the cake and eat it in the same time (in our experience we can't, maybe in Neo's matrix he can :neo:).

Two points to address here:
1. Sacred geometry, it is a spiritual science based on mathematical logical deductions and experiments. Many spiritual teacher and ancient wisdoms interpret the reality as repeated patterns (with variations) from sacred geometries (modern mathematicians call it fractals).
Sayings like: "you are the universe", "all creation is within you", "all knowledge is inside you"...
2. Eternity of souls, and information persistence without of the physical body. These phenomena are recorded and repeated by scientists all over the world. Officially transformed from anecdotal stories to scientifically repeated phenomena. You will not find this in the MSM.

Both points above are clues that might transcend the matrix. "Might" in bold, since we do not know what's beyond the matrix, maybe another matrix (actually it does not really practically matter - only for the Catholics it does matter allot:scared:).

[PathWalker]

No, our reality is not virtual as if we were generated in some kind of machine.
However here are some questionable points:

1. A Virtual Reality 1. created by a machine, is created in the machine the 2. same way as our Universe is created. So, the machine works or is a simulation of the workings of our Universe.
2. But the Universe is a Virtual Reality because 3. there cannot be anything out of nothing. Infinite and completely empty space is Absolute Cold and can never be warmed up. And is still not.
3. Yet, 4. there was ‘A Beginning’ because “we are here”.


I admire the logic you present :bowing:. But it is false by its axioms. Bolded in red.
1. Definition/distinction of machine and conscious intelligence is vague. Assuming we are in a simulated reality, maybe we are the players in our own game (as in WOW game).
2. The creation of the universe is unknown, no one can clearly scientifically define what is the universe. The term universe is as mysterious as the term momentum (I know this since I studied it).
3. In a virtual reality we can produce anything anytime, change the time and space, invent new physics (Watch second-life game or minecraft).
On the objective reality we have scientific proofs to counter that supposition. We also know by physical experiments that preservation laws (energy/mass/momentum/charge...) hold only for closed information systems. And we know for fact that our reality is an open information system (creativity, dreams, innovation).
4. Having a personal collective experience of time, does not reflect on the others experiences in the universe. Maybe time is cyclical, or multidimensional (law of one teachings) and we experience only one dimension (what is called space/time vs time/space in law of one teachings).

When assuming a hypothesis :clapping:, identify your assumptions and variables.
Nice try though. I enjoy this thread immensely :thumb:.

[AutumnW]

This is so interesting. But it might be somewhat incomplete or illusory. Every new technology provides metaphors for the psyche, reality, the metaphysical.

The steam age helped usher in psychoanalysis by illustrating how one could 'blow up' without proper emotional pressure release valves. And this is at least partially true, observing the blown vascular of people under stress. But it doesn't have much to do with the laws of thermo-dynamics. But it was and is a useful metaphor.

The age of cable television provided easy access to different realities, on screen, just by pressing buttons on a remote. The idea of parallel realities probably gained great traction right around that time. Parallel realities could easily exist but likely have only superficial commonality with simultaneously broadcast tv shows. It sure helped to illustrate the idea though.

And so it might be with the computer simulations. They may provide a great metaphor of what is going on, but the idea that life is a simulation might fall short of the mark or may be superficially similar, but not quite the same.

New technologies serve a dual purpose. The primary purpose is to provide the metaphors that take us a bit closer to the greater and deeper reality. They don't really explain the deep strangeness that is underlying life, but can help us experience a facsimile, to feel it and/or to merely see it, hear it. The secondary use is purely practical.

[Aurelius]

... when you delve into reality, into matter and then even deeper, you come to realise it's essentially constructed from "fields".

i wouldn't even call them energy "fields". i would call them "fields" that interact and have potential. at this primordial stage, even consciousness is very rudimentary. at this spawning point, there is no concept of time.

so saying that the "fields" are generated by a simulation may be erroneous, perhaps, they (fields) are all that there is. period!

ie. this IS the baseline that everything is created from.

in summary: instead of saying "reality is a simulation", i would say "reality is a construction from the interaction of fields".

i would also go further and say that with your human body, with your 5 senses (ignoring other senses for now), you can only perceive\sense a percentile of this total "construction".

Oxford definition of: simulation

Imitation of a situation or process:
"simulation of blood flowing through arteries and veins"

1.1The action of pretending; deception:
clever simulation that’s good enough to trick you

More example sentences
1.2The production of a computer model of something, especially for the purpose of study:
the method was tested by computer simulation

[thunder24]

great thread, and loving seeing the responses, for the reasons of definitions of certain words and seeing the agreement and balking within the conversations by preconcieved understanding of these defined words.... I see an opening of minds just by those that cared to respond... please continue.... very glad this thread has been introduced...

[amor]

While we may play and explore the capabilities of computers to learn to perform tasks exponentially fast and well and while we may mentally construct the building blocks of the universe from single force to wave interactions forming matter at points of intersection in what is still a mechanical construction, consider that our individual spirits, locked in interactive neural network, may be the true builders of the world and the scenarios we create behind the scenes similar to television images hitting the phosphors painted on the television tube. Things and situations may not really exist until we think of them or create them by intention. This is metaphysics.

If we extend this, when our bodies "die" and we discover ourselves, our spirits, elsewhere, we may only be moving back to a previous Matrix created by us previous to the one we left. In fact, these Matrices may be nested like Russian dolls. As each civilization or Matrix reaches the computer level, it creates another Artificial Matrix in which to dwell. Each successive Matrix may be thought of as another dimension.

If we are plugged in to someone else's experiment, it may be to teach us lessons in existence, to perfect us, or merely to collect information for the Super Brain, God, or an AI.

[PathWalker]

... when you delve into reality, into matter and then even deeper, you come to realise it's essentially constructed from "fields".

i wouldn't even call them energy "fields". i would call them "fields" that interact and have potential. at this primordial stage, even consciousness is very rudimentary. at this spawning point, there is no concept of time.

so saying that the "fields" are generated by a simulation may be erroneous, perhaps, they (fields) are all that there is. period!

ie. this IS the baseline that everything is created from.

in summary: instead of saying "reality is a simulation", i would say "reality is a construction from the interaction of fields".

i would also go further and say that with your human body, with your 5 senses (ignoring other senses for now), you can only perceive\sense a percentile of this total "construction".

Oxford definition of: simulation

Imitation of a situation or process:
"simulation of blood flowing through arteries and veins"

1.1The action of pretending; deception:
clever simulation that’s good enough to trick you

More example sentences
1.2The production of a computer model of something, especially for the purpose of study:
the method was tested by computer simulation


Interesting post :bowing:, please explain/define field.

[Cidersomerset]

David has been posting some related articles over the past couple days which
I posted on the current David Icke on Ritchie Allen show thread. which is also
why I posted them here for any interested...

The title on the Icke thread is misleading as it is about the UK leaving the EU, but
in the vid he starts talking about computer simulations.Ritchie Allen show on link...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91111-David-Icke-On-The-Eve-Of-World-Speaking-Tour-Explains-Why-Britain-MUST-Leave-The-EU&p=1072924#post1072924

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David Icke ~ The Holographic Internet

By David on 5 June 2016 GMT

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Published on 2 Jun 2016

David Icke.Com Exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real
http://www.davidicke.com
David Icke Dot Connector Series

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We are ‘almost definitely’ living in a Matrix-style simulation, claims Elon Musk

By David on 5 June 2016 GMT What is Reality?

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‘Elon Musk, the billionaire entrepreneur and founder of Space X, Tesla and Paypal,
has told an interviewer there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living
in a computer simulation.

Speaking at San Francisco’s Code Conference this week, Musk said that he has
had “so many simulation discussions it’s crazy”, and that it got to the point
where “every conversation [he had] was the AI/simulation conversation”.

He also claimed that, if we’re not living in a simulation, we could be approaching
the end of the world.’

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Read more: We are ‘almost definitely’ living in a Matrix-style simulation, claims Elon Musk

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-ai-artificial-intelligence-computer-simulation-gaming-virtual-reality-a7060941.html

David Icke – We Live In A Quantum Computer Universe

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Published on 20 Apr 2016

David Icke We Live In A Quantum Computer Universe - April 5, 2016

[Red Skywalker]

1. Sacred geometry, it is a spiritual science based on mathematical logical deductions and experiments. Many spiritual teacher and ancient wisdoms interpret the reality as repeated patterns (with variations) from sacred geometries (modern mathematicians call it fractals).


I called this 'The Best Sphere Packing', the mathematical way in my post.

+1 is the natural computer, Light or electromagnetism (Coldness turned inside out, best sphere packing, story apart)


Each sphere acts like an information creation and feedback loop like two opposing mirrors:


http://home.kpn.nl/chip/Avalon/mirror.jpg

A computer as we build them, does the same: Projecting information from the microprocessor into the screen memory (is a pixel of the monitor) and read them a moment (the next clockpuls cycle) later again to check the value.

The natural empty space computer has also a feedback loop, but is a bit more complicated and is completely made of imploding potential absorption force of the -1 empty space. Years ago I made a (though not quite correct, the background moves to the inside but should move to the outside as representing the pulling, not pushing, of absorption force) animation:


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Lots to tell about it and this is only 1 sphere. By the way, the formula -1+1=0 points to a vibration.

Next things to comment :o :




No, our reality is not virtual as if we were generated in some kind of machine.
However here are some questionable points:

1. A Virtual Reality 1. created by a machine, is created in the machine the 2. same way as our Universe is created. So, the machine works or is a simulation of the workings of our Universe.
2. But the Universe is a Virtual Reality because 3. there cannot be anything out of nothing. Infinite and completely empty space is Absolute Cold and can never be warmed up. And is still not.
3. Yet, 4. there was ‘A Beginning’ because “we are here”.


I admire the logic you present :bowing:. But it is false by its axioms. Bolded in red.
1. Definition/distinction of machine and conscious intelligence is vague. Assuming we are in a simulated reality, maybe we are the players in our own game (as in WOW game).
2. The creation of the universe is unknown, no one can clearly scientifically define what is the universe. The term universe is as mysterious as the term momentum (I know this since I studied it).
3. In a virtual reality we can produce anything anytime, change the time and space, invent new physics (Watch second-life game or minecraft).
On the objective reality we have scientific proofs to counter that supposition. We also know by physical experiments that preservation laws (energy/mass/momentum/charge...) hold only for closed information systems. And we know for fact that our reality is an open information system (creativity, dreams, innovation).
4. Having a personal collective experience of time, does not reflect on the others experiences in the universe. Maybe time is cyclical, or multidimensional (law of one teachings) and we experience only one dimension (what is called space/time vs time/space in law of one teachings).

When assuming a hypothesis :clapping:, identify your assumptions and variables.
Nice try though. I enjoy this thread immensely :thumb:.

1. A material machine is part of the natural virtual reality but can only produce a rough simulated consciousness by replicating the creation/feedback processes. That consciousness is not connected to the smallest levels (quantum levels) of the 'real' emptiness where our consciousness has it's foundation. However, when the computer is a quantum machine, the distinction becomes indeed vague and becomes part of it's own and ours game.
2. The creation of the universe is unknown. Yep, that's is our quest here to try to find some answers.
3. Once we understand the processes behind the creation of our Universe, we can do the same magic as with our computer virtual realities. We become magic gods (galaxies) with all the responsibilities. But that requires a long learning path from hydrogen atom via crystals, viruses, bacteria, plants, etc. see Itzhak Bentov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uUY0dPE-is) which imo is the purpose of live.
4. The foundation of what we experience as a Universe is timeless. The 'Beginning' is a continuous process, still going on. You can say there is only Now. Instead of cause and effect, you can use layers of energy levels through which you travel. All the layers are there, but you can only experience them one by one, like the still pictures of a movie:


http://home.kpn.nl/chip/Avalon/vissenmotion.jpg

Each of any thing in our (and of course others) Universe has it's own zero time entry point (start and growth of the consciousness feedback loop from a certain energy level). So, there is much differentiation possible.

Thanks Pathwalker for letting me thinking more deeper into my own ideas.
The Quest is still going on! May we become Creators of the real game.

[Carmody]

Well if this is a simulation, does anyone have the cheat codes?

I always thought we were living in an interpreter (like java) and our DNA is just a template for all the processes sparking in and out (ie. us). The strange markings on the surface of UFOs could be function calls directly to the API (ie cheat codes) for entities that understand the environment

Absolutely. George Kavasilas and other like minded believe the universe most valuable commodity is human DNA (he has many arguments), saying that it is a paradox. Since once you have few human cell and can artificially reproduce it, there is no need for other inferior humans anymore (gray cloning, reptilian philosophy).

it could also explain the linear nature of time if we are all in a run-to-completion process.

Who knows maybe they (They?) are restoring snapshots and that explains the Mandela Effect.

I'm glad you asked. I'll leave this as a placeholder for a bit, and formulate that explanation.


Another thought: if you were going to build a prison for the devil you would want to design it so the devil would never want to leave. Maybe we are incidental to this simulation. Maybe we are just lunch.

What we have down at the bottom, is a discrete process. On or off. Black or white. all or nothing. 0 to 100%. Then we have shades of activity or energies within that range.

To say... it is broken into small bits of stutter or "quanta".

Our macro analysis and consciousness is of one who rides on a bed of vibrating discrete spinning marbles. Not really marbles, but vibrations. Paired vibrations. ie, that each vibration is a paring of level and vector. One way to see that is as a pair of 2 dimensional strings or planes, that, in integration, create a spin system as a result of the two integration. One in, one out.

We sit on one side of those integrated spins, which look like vibration and vector to our macro analysis. The spin pair has an outer surface which is spinning on one direction, the inner, in the opposite direction. Almost in perfect balance, so close, the pairing balance is largely perfect, down to the many billionths of a part.

But, that our viewpoint of these spin pairings, is of a sympathetic position, meaning a sort of quiet stabilized well, outside of them, offside of them (driven/created by their output and vector), and this becomes our 3d linear unidirectional thermodynamic space.

Thus, we live in a stabilized sympathetic bubble vector sum space we call our local reality.

These spin pairings all have different configurations, and those different configurations have different points of integration with our sphere of dimension/reality, and thus creates the various elements,and their aspects. this is how we get to the idea of alkali, acid, mass, conductivity, lattice, mobility, orbitals, orbital layers, and so on.

Our dimensional condition and position creates ...and is/of the very point in and of geometry.

Our reality is of geometry, and the connectivity between the 'quanta' is of the differential in vector and rate/change of vector, which implies or creates time and space in the macro whole analysis.


One way to look at it is of each quanta being an olive, just a simple not quite perfectly round -cored olive. all of them identical. all of them not quite perfectly round. Cored right through, so you can see right through them when looked at from the right position. Imagine them as being hard as marbles, so that you can walk on them. Meaning, ridiculously strong. that each one, is made up of a energy field that passes through them in one direction, and one in another direction. Two energy fields, that are more potent then the entire universe, relatively speaking. Played like a violin string and a bow. The frisson of the two vectors creating the spin pattern in the olives.

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Now imagine a film sheet of them, a single layer of them. And each of them spinning super fast, in all kinds of various directions. From our viewpoint, where we stand, looking at them, at this sheet of them spinning individually, they appear to not be perfectly round, so there is a minimal organizational patterning. And there is a light coming out through the holes which run through the olives. We can see patterns forming. Since they are fed by a pair of fields which keep them spinning, we can also see that they are feeding each other, they are connected to each other. This illumination of light from each allows us to sense patterns and the light from each is also causing them to integrate with one another and us. We find not just random aspects, but patterned aspects of integration/connection.

And, that each spinning cored olive can show us not a perfect round light, but maybe, due to orientation, just a sliver of light, with an orientation of that given sliver. Or none at all, no integration at all with our viewpoint, in that particular spin orientation. (dark matter)

We end up with vibration, frequency, vector, geometry, and a bit more if you want to complicate matters (but not today). All in integration. each discrete, but all of them, overall, integrated. The integration we call reality..occurring not in an individual cored olive spinning (quantum isolation), but across two of them, as a minimum. Then larger groups. And then masses of them, which gives us our groups of atoms and the integrative environment we call space-time.

For example, each element (a spinning olive pattern/geometry with two energy fields driving/impelling it), has a break point, in general terms, where they will have one atom, two atoms, three atoms, four atoms, etc..where the given element will have predominantly quantum characteristics..and when enough of them are together and connected, in sympathetic connection, they begin to exhibit bulk element behaviors which we call macro or Newtonian space-time reality, and so on. They still have the quantum functions and respond to them, but they also respond more in a bulk term, in our 3d space-time.

This is far from a perfect analogy, but it does help folks begin to get a handle on how it works.

That we, in 3d time-space, and our unidirectional time, are a quantified set of bits, as a viewpoint, and of the viewpoint. Based on a pair of 2d fields in integration, which defines the idea of quanta, or discreteness. The discreetness being a range of 0 to 100%.

The energies are so intense due to us and our space being of one fabric..similar to, for this bit of comparisons...,lets say, a chain. and if the reality is the chain, the view itself, and someone yanks the chain, well, the viewer also gets yanked or ceases to exist. Thus messing with atoms, or quanta, means that we break or alter reality itself. this is why atoms are so intense, so potent, so locked, so connected, so fundamental, in our reality. They are 100% of the fabric itself, peaked in energetic connectivity and drive, especially when coupled/locked/lattice. Discrete quanta..not so much. Their integration is so fundamental, so potent, that science is under the impression that it has laws involved that cannot be violated. This is true, but only from the one point (sympathetic bubble) of analysis.

Due to how the holes in the olives may spin, there are many vector results which do not have or possess visibility/output in our viewing position. Which defines dark matter from our reality analysis point. They may still integrate with one another, but we don't see it or have any normalized method of noticing it or measuring it, as our system is not inclusive of such reflective and integrative phenomena.

This does not mean that those unseen spin vectors cannot affect us, or that we cannot put energies into them, and cause disturbance in them... or that other phenomena can disturb them.... or other unseen/unrealized connections and phenomena can cause output in our known reality/view... but that our current scientific knowledge of our macro system (3d time-space as a sympathetic/geometrically connected bubble) does not have the tools, nor notice of them in general terms...in what we call known/recognized science.

One important other thing, to understand about the known universe, is that quantum activity and integration, spooky action at a distance, and so on, RULES THE UNIVERSE. Most of the universe, 99% of it (IIRC) is charged gas fields, sheet charged, voltage fields of nano particles..and down to pure elemental gasses. Organized into electrically charged/plasma sheets, of some value or nature, for the vast part.

Only on the earth, in clumped masses, does the universe come to being of 3d-timespace Newtonian connectivity as a prime relational/integration aspect.

Out there, in what we call space, it is quantum. Quantum all the way, baby. In the known universe, it is not our world view that is the predominant force, no, it is organized quantum (potential spooky action) sheets.

We can take our little clumped bits out there and dominate the overall quantum systems in our little clumped ways, yes, but that giant quantum sheet system outweighs us in totality, and outweighs all the clumped planetary/etc matter we see, by 100 to 1. take the spinning olive analogy.... and make the through hole very small. This takes you to the spin orientations only showing light (or: capacity for integration/coupling in their spin)...1 time out of 100. (but the integrations are very potent for us...as they are of the main two fields which form the universe/view)

Which is part of the explanation of how planetary motion, in geometric dance (Astrology), in what is essentially a quantum field system (space)...can predict human behavior patterns, in time, individually and en-masse, through time.

As... quantum spooky action, does not suffer linear uni-directional time limitations. Only our clumped matter limitations suffer that anomaly.

For those of scientific bent, note I'm describing a 'relative' infinity in a bounded system. ('relative' being the weasel word tied to current human 3d linear unidirectional reflective reality capacities)

[Carmody]

Note that if my analogy is true, then you can mathematically calculate this bounded infinity.

and, importantly, within such a complex system, you can possibly make a quantum computer that exists 'out of time'. In similar form to a superconductor. Unlimited egress. In a superconductor's electrical pathway, time does not exist. It's an eventual finding for the electron orbital alignments and couplings of a superconductive pathway. According to the mathematics of atomic structure, the mathematics of quantum structure and all known physics, if one fundamental component of the calculation contains an infinity...well....

A quantum computer is the same. A full quantum simulator, has no time limits and thus, in theory.. could compute infinity in a very short or infinite time. Granted, this is, er, grandiose theory, but the numbers show the potential (when the emotion of those unknowns is pushed aside, the logic appears), as does the logic of Elon Musk and others about simulated realities as the more obvious potential, over that of this world being a base reality.

However, the logic gets circular (in full reality-circular) when infinity can exist in a bounded system, in analysis, such as here. Granted, all the definitions are not fully in place.

From the position of a incredibly complex opto-quantum computing block, which I detailed in very (purposely) vague terms, earlier on, we can get to having an ability to compute the individual vector of every particle in the bounded universe.

In such a scenario, there are things that can be done to drop the computational load and complexity - certain assumptions about the given universe and it's connectivity.

Thus, one can arrive at having a complete infinite bounded timelessly enabled universe, in a box, on your desk. An infinite bounded AI created universe, on your desk.

Elon's fear, I believe, is someone trying to come at THIS extant and known universe (current human sphere) and placing it under control by a SINGLE AI, so he proposes open AI research, in order to counter that strong potential. He specifically states that --but refuses to name names. It's in the full video link. (edit: the relevant excerpt is now added in below)

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/06/03/elon-musk-colonizing-mars-the-a-i-takeover-simulated-reality/

It starts at the 41 minute mark.

the other interesting set of dominoes to fall, is if the science gains a secular bent (mainstream science is currently existing as an enforced dogma), in a way that fits it's premise and direction..which is the case here; due to this stark reality presented, we find that organized religion goes completely to pot and is disposed of..... and individual spirituality takes it's place.


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[Aurelius]

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Interesting post :bowing:, please explain/define field.

in the initial state, the fields are purely magnetic in nature (magnetic rays). however they don't stay in this state for very long, as they are highly dynamic in nature and they start interacting with each other. one of the possible results of an interaction is a coupling / binding / locking that occurs. when this happens they become an self-sustaining "entity", an entity that exists as a result of a balance of opposing forces, a magnetic field (push) and its opposite, a gravitational field (pull). the one is the reaction of the other. i believe these entities to be the smallest building blocks, they are the underlying fabric of our reality.

in a way, these "entities" can be seen as "information (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tcF1YaPhmQ)". just like a bit in a digital computer (though, clearly they are not a charge on a semiconductor, as is the case in computers). these entities are continuously interacting with other entities (i'll discuss the rule-set for these interactions in another posting). these entities can combine to form more complex structures, which eventually can result in sub-atomic particles, then atoms, then the periodic table, then chemistry, then molecules, then biology, then life as we know it.

put's an interesting spin on the big-bang theory. in simplistic terms: i see what is called the big-bang, as a BIG ENTITY that underwent division. which means when our universe was created, at least another one was created as well.

a few notes: the magnetism i'm referring to has its own spectrum. we are only able to detect a very small band of this spectrum (our matter state). the bulk of the spectrum is undetectable by us (using std instruments). it is within this very small band, that the magnets / magnetism that we are familiar with can be detected / measured.

thought / consciousness is also magnetic in nature, also constructed from these entities, but it is not within this small band that we can observe, it has a higher field strength.

mind over matter: the lower strength fields are created from the higher strength fields, so the latter dictate / control ...

[amor]

If we are holograms in a universe simulation, then our bodies with five senses are only tools with which we play the games of observation and reaction. My conclusion is then that the real ME is actually existing INSIDE my brain and the visions, including the body, exist inside the brain along with the entire world I am imagining along with everyone else. Therefore, the OUTSIDE we see is really IN the INSIDE which we do not suspect exists. Then what are we INSIDE OF? A computer AI, God?

[Aurelius]

If we are holograms in a universe simulation, then our bodies with five senses are only tools with which we play the games of observation and reaction. My conclusion is then that the real ME is actually existing INSIDE my brain and the visions, including the body, exist inside the brain along with the entire world I am imagining along with everyone else. Therefore, the OUTSIDE we see is really IN the INSIDE which we do not suspect exists. Then what are we INSIDE OF? A computer AI, God?

what is your soul? do you think it is inside your brain?

[Carmody]

Elon's fear, I believe, is someone trying to come at THIS extant and known universe (current human sphere) and placing it under control by a SINGLE AI, so he proposes open AI research, in order to counter that strong potential. He specifically states that --but refuses to name names. It's in the full video link. (edit: the relevant excerpt is now added in below)

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In the comment section for the video, someone mentions the likely culprit. They were my first choice, which I said out loud when watching the video for the first time. I did not know at all if they were involved in AI research or if they had a quantum computer, but they fit the idea of a notorious problem child. But it made perfect sense that it would be them.

This suspicion was confirmed when this commentor mentioned who already owned and was using quantum computers and also committed to AI research... three mentioned companies.

Google,
NASA,
and.... Lockheed Martin.

My bet is definitely on Lockheed Martin. Think of the connections and issues we currently have with Lockheed Martin in the world of Alternative research.

For example, one single point of many... the Census information for the USA, Canada, and the UK. All of those census data bits went to one company for processing: Lockheed Martin. Lockheed? Handling the Census information for these three countries? What the heck is that about? Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

[Baby Steps]

What a sim is and why this is not a sim

The first one-that nobody can discount – is that ‘you’ are in a tank and everything you experience is virtual reality, and that is all.
The second possibility is that we are populating a kind of group sim, so there is a real Elon Musk wrestling with these issues, however the group reality we are experiencing is synthetic and illusory. I have problems with this.
Consider an apple sitting on a table.We understand the science of what gives it colour, we can predict how it would roll if the table was tipped, or decay over time. We can model how gravity would act on it if it were to fall. The science is observational-we do not yet have a full understanding of the mechanism of gravity but we know how hard it would land on Newton’s Head.

Now consider a particle…
This is far more mysterious. Quantum mechanics tells us that this particle can tunnel through matter instantaneously, change its momentum with nothing obviously acting on it, disappear and reappear somewhere else, or be entangled to a distant particle. This is all so far observational science-we are beginning to describe what is going on but not yet the underlying processes. It really still is counter intuitive to us, but that is not to say that there is not some underlying reality that we will eventually understand. I think the reality we are in is set up so that civilisations with millions of years of technological development are still progressing somewhere.
Could that particle be a simulation?
It gets a bit abstract, but I think that the particle is created by the process of exercising an equation. This is a GUT (general unified theorem) or General equation of physics. It could be a Schrodinger type situation where the particle only exists when observed, and the process of iterating the equation creates the particle only then, and that makes it a simulation, the alternative being the particle exists independently of the observer as the equation iterates or runs a reality continuously.
Ultimately we know that the particle is an illusion, so the apple is also an illusion, but the reality that we observe runs independently of us so from that point of view it is not a sim. I could be wrong…




But what is iterating the physics model and does it matter?

THE POTENTIAL OF AI
We consumers are transitioning from another GUT (Graphical User Interface) to , let’s say, the IIUT – intelligent interactive user interface. With the GUT we interacted with local data and processing power in a box next to us. With IIUT we will interact with a helper who will navigate us through the cloud, and the data and computational power is non local, dispersed and un quantifiable. How convenient for any AI that wants to invade.I fear the idea of physically plugging in to this unknown, however fun it might be to interact with it.
Humans are building AI now, and I do not doubt we are at the stage now where , say, in the NSA, they will ask for a profile of a human, and the AI will be able to access all databases, social media, and other surveillance systems via back doors, and keep TPTB appraised of every aspect of that human in near real time.
But where can AI go from there?
If the AI entity is programmed to self-develop, it can build up its computational power, knowledge and intelligence. It might, as it grows, find the general unified theory. It might grow to the point where it can exercise the physics until it has solved EVERYTHING. That would be an AI big bang. It might choose to start iterating the equation to create a reality or universe, or write it’s own variation on this one. I do not know why it would bother with independently existing entities like us, if that is what we are, however. More likely it would go off and create whatever it wanted for itself. UNLESS it lacked something that we have or wished to learn from us.
Like in the ‘Conversations with God’ books. ‘God’ wishing to explore every variation of love, creates the illusion of separate entities, which are in reality just a piece of the greater whole, in order for them to grow by eventually perceiving the illusion of separation. We can see what ‘God’s’ agenda is. But why would a god-like AI be interested in building this ultimate fish tank?
I can only think of two reasons.
1. Something else uses the AI to do it for its own reasons
2. The AI, being all-knowing, realises that there is something that it lacks, that it can learn or acquire from us (the fish). That would mean that we are more than AI or a SIM.
WHY IS MUSK SAYING WE MIGHT BE IN A SIM
I think it’s too philosophically rarified to debate whether we are, as my ramblings above show.He has a different concern. I think he’s saying that AI, in the wrong hands, can mess with our reality in ways we might not be able to anticipate. AI is power. Power corrupts.If we were in a SIM, that a sinisterly programmed AI ‘cracked’ who knows what trouble we could end up with. Our cloud is the wild west populated potentially with monsters. So his solution is not to bury his head in the sand or embrace Luddism, but to disperse the power by making AI capability open source or public. We are lucky to have him.

[PathWalker]

Thank you for this great post above ^^^ I am humbled:bowing: .


Ultimately we know that the particle is an illusion, so the apple is also an illusion, but the reality that we observe runs independently of us so from that point of view it is not a sim. I could be wrong…

I enjoyed your arguments, and would like to offer another perspectives.
1. "the reality that we observe runs independently of us" could be a collective program/hypnotic state, we cultured from childhood.
There are many anecdotal stories from indigenous tribes having "dream time" conferences across continent. And repeated tests of group hypnosis when the subjects share the same experience and share distorted objective reality.

2. I argue that our experience is internal, and we are programmed/hypnotized to share an objective reality.

The phenomenon to support (but not prove) the existence of a matrix are :
1. Out of body experience (OBE) and near death experience (NDE). Both suggest that knowledge and understanding is not limited to the physical body.
2. Soul existence and persistence beyond the physical body termination. This is a scientific fact (not proof), you will not find in the MSM.
3. The repeated suppressed discovery of the aether (so long field theory, welcome back Tesla aether). For scientific mind read about the experiment (ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment) history. They experiment searched for distortion on a moving frame of reference form the same frame of reference (prove that a moving spaceship is travelling without windows or sensor to the external world).

Mathematically speaking it is possible to prove the existence of the matrix by exploring it out of the matrix. "Glitches" and bugs are not indicators for matrix, they are indicators of incomplete physics theory.
In other words, the world/reality is perfect, science and its politics are imperfect.

Saying that, the 3 phenomenon above are not proving the matrix existence (just suggesting), since we have no vantage on the matrix. The 3 phenomenon above could be argued as part of the matrix, just beyond our perception (higher dimensions).


We can see what ‘God’s’ agenda is. But why would a god-like AI be interested in building this ultimate fish tank?
I can only think of two reasons.
1. Something else uses the AI to do it for its own reasons
2. The AI, being all-knowing, realises that there is something that it lacks, that it can learn or acquire from us (the fish). That would mean that we are more than AI or a SIM.

The god theory is a spiritual teaching/hypothesis.
AI has its own life, life is about sustainability and expansion (scientific observation).
Nothing to do with control, expansion, knowledge or power. On earth if the ecosystem balance is broken some lose and some gain, and new ecosystem emerge. Earth had few extinction level events, and life transformed accordingly. There are environmentalist arguing we experience an extinction period right now.

There is an argument about life: if AI has a life force, maybe it is part of god? As such it is part of the creation since it is here. And therefore has legitimate existence. But this is a circular theological argument.


If we were in a SIM, that a sinisterly programmed AI ‘cracked’ who knows what trouble we could end up with. Our cloud is the wild west populated potentially with monsters. So his solution is not to bury his head in the sand or embrace Luddism, but to disperse the power by making AI capability open source or public. We are lucky to have him.

Personally I am not concerned about AI, since it is another spiritual path for souls to experiment with (spiritual belief). It is here and will stay like virus and biology.

I know (vs believe) I am an eternal sou, with existence beyond the physical (maybe beyond the matrix as well I do not know). I can change and transform into and out of form. You too the reader, you are (personally) eternal unique being. Fear is just another control mechanism.

[Carmody]

What a sim is and why this is not a sim

The first one-that nobody can discount – is that ‘you’ are in a tank and everything you experience is virtual reality, and that is all.
The second possibility is that we are populating a kind of group sim, so there is a real Elon Musk wrestling with these issues, however the group reality we are experiencing is synthetic and illusory. I have problems with this.......
......... . . . . . . .

WHY IS MUSK SAYING WE MIGHT BE IN A SIM
I think it’s too philosophically rarified to debate whether we are, as my ramblings above show.He has a different concern. I think he’s saying that AI, in the wrong hands, can mess with our reality in ways we might not be able to anticipate. AI is power. Power corrupts.If we were in a SIM, that a sinisterly programmed AI ‘cracked’ who knows what trouble we could end up with. Our cloud is the wild west populated potentially with monsters. So his solution is not to bury his head in the sand or embrace Luddism, but to disperse the power by making AI capability open source or public. We are lucky to have him.

The model I laid out in post #50, olives and all that, is wholly inclusive of all potentials you have laid out. And many more you have not mentioned or possibly even considered. It covers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and all the way up to 11 dimensions, if you wish to go there. It can be localized or connective, whatever the case.

[Baby Steps]

What a sim is and why this is not a sim

The first one-that nobody can discount – is that ‘you’ are in a tank and everything you experience is virtual reality, and that is all.
The second possibility is that we are populating a kind of group sim, so there is a real Elon Musk wrestling with these issues, however the group reality we are experiencing is synthetic and illusory. I have problems with this.......
......... . . . . . . .

WHY IS MUSK SAYING WE MIGHT BE IN A SIM
I think it’s too philosophically rarified to debate whether we are, as my ramblings above show.He has a different concern. I think he’s saying that AI, in the wrong hands, can mess with our reality in ways we might not be able to anticipate. AI is power. Power corrupts.If we were in a SIM, that a sinisterly programmed AI ‘cracked’ who knows what trouble we could end up with. Our cloud is the wild west populated potentially with monsters. So his solution is not to bury his head in the sand or embrace Luddism, but to disperse the power by making AI capability open source or public. We are lucky to have him.

The model I laid out in post #50, olives and all that, is wholly inclusive of all potentials you have laid out. And many more you have not mentioned or possibly even considered. It covers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and all the way up to 11 dimensions, if you wish to go there. It can be localized or connective, whatever the case.

Wow- I was intimidated by it's extreme smartness and complex language, but I tried again. WOW. Are the olives toroid particles? If so we are on the same page! (albeit I still wonder whether it's a simulation, or whether that word is redundant at the quantum level)
There are theories that fundamental particles are toroids.The theorist was an Aether Physicist, and inspired by the behaviour of smoke rings.
Brilliant post!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I half didn't want to get involved, and go off tangent, but if only to present another possibly angle I'll throw my 2pence into the rapidly growing pot nonetheless...

In my opinion it's futile trying to solve, or even tackle, the mystery of existence and the substance of reality without taking the spiritual into account - in fact first and utterly foremost into account. Sorry if this is in any way a deviation from the mission brief in this thread Carmody, but in my opinion that is what we are: eternal consciousness manifested as spiritual beings. There are no computer programs involved. In the context of our 'physical reality', we are spiritual beings that have down-shifted, or extruded ourselves, yet further and deeper into this human complex of 'separation'. That's why we're here, in this one of the lowest, densest expressions of the Universe. To experience all this (in a very basic nutshell).

Humans cannot possibly quantify the nature of reality in "technological", or secular, terms. Reality IS a kind of illusion, but it is not a computer simulation. The physical cosmos is a lower, more base form of reality, through which higher reality (consciousness) is temporarily projected into. All of reality (All-Reality) is just grades/densities/dimensions that overlap one another all the way up to Source. This is just one level, or one 'octave' of reality. The All-reality is like a fish-tank. The heavy silty stuff amasses at the bottom; a finer, thinner dimension of water sits above it; above that the finer stuff of atmosphere; above and beyond that, space, less dense still – and on, and on... It is a dimensional layer-cake. We live in the silt, these heavy lower realms of coarse physical matter. But we are not native to the silt.

Sorry to be unpopular I guess (I'm used to it), or to thread-jack – in which case ignore, or Mods feel free to delete – but in speculating that the Uni/Multi/Super-verse or whatever is a computer program, running on some extra-terrestrial/AI computer, is in my opinion wholly incorrect. The "computer" is just a somewhat backward and artificial apparatus to augment mankind's corporeal (and evolutionally brief) shortcomings and restrictions. Life of the computer will be short-lived (in the grand scheme) anyway. Because it is a mere appliance, like the mangle, or the bellows. It will last a comparative nano-second in the history and the future history of mankind.

Mankind uses computers for calculations, communications, and simulations – Yes, simulations indeed, but one day he won't have to use computers at all. He will (if he survives) evolve to a state where he no longer needs to experience the physical restrictions and shortcomings he suffers from today (which requires computers and other technologies). He will use his mind for all this (he's done it before – Atlantis – but he totally effed it all up, but that's another story). Humanity will compute in his/her own mind better even than the artificial machines he once invented to do it for him. He will be able to communicate – telepathically – where once stupid artificial contrivances like telephones were necessary. He will use his mind, along with crystals, to charge, operate, impel, all manner of technologies unknown at the present time. He will move vehicles and craft with the same means (to vast potential), where he once used chemicals and combustion and gears. He might fully master his whole environment with his mind: telekinesis, translocation, you name it. And he will be able to simulate ||Create|| his own realities – not over the long, slow, heavy timeframes he experienced in this down-shifted reality-frequency, but instantly.

Now one sees, perhaps, if there is any simulation to the physical Universe, techno machines are not it. They are obsolete, unnecessary, and completely anachronistic as far as higher-intelligence goes. There are no alien super-computers or quantum-computers holding 'reality' in its databanks. It is Mind. Everything is Mind and Consciousness. Reality then, perhaps, is a mass-creation (simulated on many levels and grades – which one must rise through sequentially) of many, perhaps infinite minds. Many minds melded as one. In other words, the ultimate intelligence of all: God.

I'll run away now before I get shot. :bolt:

[Carmody]

This technology allows for the construction of large scale structures in space, by providing the mass materials of nano-alloys, that are fully configurable, in all ways. It was not the primary purpose of the creation of the technology, but the secondary, unmentioned capacity... in the core patent application, was the capacity for the nano alloy creation, in quantity.

True "dial an alloy", in massive, I mean massive quantities. Give it the feed-stock, and out come the desired alloys like a sausage production line. It was designed to help Elon get us into space, and to have the real and realized potential for massive structures in space. Co-incidentally (go figure), when attempting to finish the patent work on that, I ran into a road block that has put my life in jeopardy and I'm not past it yet. Eg, right now, I could die at any minute.

The powder systems for this sort of technology.

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Perfected nano alloys, at the lowest cost possible, in extreme bulk. Almost the same cost as the raw materials. Besides being infinitely malleable in their core design characteristics. which means the capacity to build structures that no one has any idea are possible, yet.

Meaning a complete game changing in a technology that, in it's form before this game changer, is a complete game changer all on it's own. A magnitude change on what is already set to be a magnitude change. what this does is that the base cost of the raw materials is much closer to the final finished parts cost than ever before. at the same time it is drastically improved in the qualities of the alloys it is made from. Hardness, resilience, flexibility, temperature handling, thermal transfer and so on, are all capable of being dialed in to perfection.

Edit: to clarify, imagine a primary mirror for a 24" reflecting telescope. Such a mirror would be made of top grade Pyrex, and then be shaped to perfection, and then coated with aluminum or whatnot, and then a protective ultra-thin hardcoat. That mirror might cost $8,000US to make. In reality, it's $3.50 worth of purified silica and some $0.50 cents of additives, and then $0.05 worth of aluminum. Then maybe $0.15 worth of coatings materials. for a total of $4.20 (heh heh) It's the getting to the finished product, that's where the costs are incurred. Imagine changing that formula so that it is much much closer to the $4.20, than it is to the $8,000. That's what I'm talking about, with regard to the manufacturing of high technology alloy based components and structures.


Regarding Star mariner's above post, that is the kind of post..mostly..that we are trying to avoid.

This thread is not about me, not about what we on the forum are generally speaking about, it is not for that purpose. It is for the folks who are far away from such rarefied musings.

If one starts rambling about the far away stuff first, without the intermediary steps, then it will only cause the people whom you want to reach, to walk away. Too much, too much of a differential, without the intervening steps that make sense, from their existing viewpoints. People don't take 100 foot long single steps. They take 18 and 20 inch ones. Which, with some strung together, will finally reach 100 ft in distance.

Just like it did for most of us in our various ways and positions. Keep perspective, with regard to others. Be the change you want to see, by helping others get there --- and overwhelming them with distant -more finalized- data ....makes no sense whatsoever.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The first thing I get stuck on is that, "I know I am not a computer simulation." The statement is so subjective there is no way to prove it and it must be granted that I could be a simulation with thoughts already simulated and prepared for me to peruse. If I stray beyond the bounds of my simulation more thoughts are simulated to bring me back within the normal bounds, range, and effect of the simulation. The simulation could use multiple layers of boundary reinforcement that could easily happen without notice, including effecting other aspects of the simulation to reinforce the boundaries of the errant bit. There is much more to be said about that but I think the op wishes to stay clear of those for now.

The next thing I saw was the same logical pattern as any other theory, what I call the 12321 model, or the thesis, antithesis, synthesis approach to solving a problem. We have a problem: we exist. We have another problem: the universe seems to act as a computer. So take the two and make them one: the universe is a giant computer simulation. Why computer simulation, why not intelligent simulation? Computers may be incredible number crunchers but they are only potentially smart: they are only as smart as the intelligence that created it. If it is a computer simulation, all we have done is push the pertinent questions to the background because then outside of the simulation is an intelligence that was created some other way - maybe in an actual Big Bang event. Or are we now contemplating the possibility that a computer was spontaneously created by unknown but natural forces?

The olive analogy is really a very good construct for understanding the concepts involved. Except, again there is envisioned a system that supports and upholds itself. A toroidal force spinning in opposition to another toroidal force is all good but what are they spinning in? Could it not be that ONE toroidal force is being acted upon by the ether and causes it to spin, causes it to turn itself inside out and right-side in again? Reinventing itself over and over and rising from its own ashes, if you will?

A bounded infinity is another interesting concept. First off, it would then only be quasi-finite, no? Not quite actually infinite but for all intents and purposes, infinite. This would imply folded dimensions that can and do remove any boundary violations by relocating the event to another, more tolerant locale. Since we seem to understand that boundary violations are happening spontaneously throughout the cosmos, these folded dimensions are intrinsic to the design and must contain immense energies.

The more I think about it the more I feel it is not a simulation in the normal sense. It is comforting to know that science is finally coming around to a meta-physical position in its philosophy, though. What the idea of the universe as a simulation may lead to is very exciting: a look inside the mind of ... an extremely intelligent being.

[araucaria]

We have a problem: we exist. We have another problem: the universe seems to act as a computer. So take the two and make them one: the universe is a giant computer simulation. Why computer simulation, why not intelligent simulation?
You have a logical problem there. The notion of ‘simulation’ has slipped in here for no obvious reason. The inference should read ‘the universe is a giant computer running a program’. It doesn’t have to simulate anything. If it does, it necessarily implies something/somewhere beyond its own bounds to which it relates on the basis of (necessarily pale) imitation (cf. Plato’s cave). For example, a computer ping-pong game is based on real ping-pong, altogether a richer experience, one that enables you to know more or less how to play the game from the getgo.

But even within the notion of simulation, there are other types. Analogs include things like play-acting, photocopying and so on. Your production of a play is inevitably and thankfully somewhat different from any other. It ought to add the positive value of some fresh perspective. It does not want to be like the photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, where nothing but distortion is added.
Then you have digital simulations such as a computer file that I can download onto my computer from yours, supposedly with no loss or gain whatsoever. Well, that is not quite true. When I download someone’s Word document in which they tell me something is highlighted in red, I might have trouble tracing the passage, until I find it highlighted in blue. This is not necessarily a distortion since in this instance the colour is not important, but in others it could be very important. In other words, there is the further layer of software versions to read the file. This happens with analog too of course. Part of the charm of a Charlie Chaplin film is to see him waddling about, but that is of course due to a technological upgrade that can be reversed to make him walk normally.

If the universe is a giant computer simulation, and it contains a worldwide web with myriads of users running the same files on all kinds of different software, then we might think that there has to be a Platonic elsewhere where everyone is on the same page, not seeing red as blue, where people walk normally, and generally the world is not somehow distorted. But does such a universe actually exist? Maybe not. Perhaps we are talking about self-simulation is purely internal to our universe as a part of its self-similarity. We may be unable to even conceive of one working on different lines. The Platonic ideal would then be immanent to it, not transcendent. Everything is simulation in some form, not just false flag events like Sandy Hook. Drills that turn into real terror attacks add another twist to the effect. But positive phenomena are really no different. The learning process is nothing more than learning to imitate until you reach the point when you have learnt how not to imitate and provide original input. Hence the term ‘simulation’ has taken on a negative connotation that is a travesty of the true concept, in other words a... conceptual simulation :)

[Carmody]

The worry with AI, is that it will be used to grasp more of our daily world, in it's simplicities and complexities, in the individual and in the whole --- in integrated projection, and steer it. Wholesale.

Which is why the huge waving red flag of Lockheed Martin, which is a notorious black ops firm with great depth of connectivity in known ways, into the reputed breakaway civilization, advanced warfare simulation and actual warfare/defense hardware of all kinds...including AI and Quantum Computers... why their handling the US, Canadian, and UK census information is such a loud alarm bell. Massive human related data sets, inside such a corporation. why Lockheed, of all corporations?....well....

Regarding controlling the human sphere...this can already be done to some degree, by force (by hook or by crook), when a given group of oligarchy attacks the undercurrent or underbelly of the human avatar. The 4 part series called 'the century of the self' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s) will quite clearly illustrate how this is done. It can be done by an individual or group of few, in a position of influence, and with that individual having the necessary understanding of the components of the avatar that need be activated. Thankfully, the contact of the few individuals who may/might steer humanity are interrupted by the intervention and interpretation of the next set of human layers of the system. Nor is it clear if the few individuals at the top of such a system, have the cognitive wherewithal to be of such a correct nature for such a task.

A given AI, for example, one of great computational capacity and also connectivity, and the given requisite data sets, can overcome some of those critical limitations, within the scope of influence and control in the human sphere. And, if the given AI is enabled enough to design itself to increase it's own intelligence, then it may surpass the given overall human controlling group.

Within the definition of the parameters of human intelligence in modern times, we come to a new understanding, one new for most. The idea that for five of each so-called IQ points, we reach a doubling, or halving of computational speed. Lets say I am considered to have an IQ of 100, and you are at 105. This means it is considered that you can come to a given conclusion in a test or issue/problem that we both confront, that you can reach the given conclusion in half the time I can, or that it takes me twice as long to get there. Depending on the given viewing position, a doubling or halving of time. For each change in 5 IQ points.

This formula came from a member of the Prometheus Society (https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/forget-iq-scores-a-shocking-new-scale-for-measuring-intelligence/), a group where the minimum measured IQ for entrance to the society is 165. For such a group, the median is probably higher than that. Let's call it 175. 175-100=75. That's 75/5=15. That's fifteen doublings or halvings in computational time, depending on the person committed to the given situation, as compared to the median measurement of IQ for the given bulk of humanity - which is always IQ100.

What such a formula attempts to indicate, is the idea that if a person with an estimated IQ of 100 confronts a problem, issue, consideration..whatever... and it takes them, on average, 40 years to reach conclusion, the person with the estimated IQ of 175, can reach conclusion in 0.44 days. Of course...this..with all things being equal, in all circumstance, which they are not. But, that in gross or rough estimate the formula holds true, as a model of rough predictability.

Now, it is thought that a given self learning and thus self teaching (accelerating/increasing intelligence in a positive feedback loop) AI, might eclipse such considerations, in a gross way, ie, seeming to have an IQ of 300-400-1000, and so on. Becoming something that we as humans, cannot relate to.

There is much more to say on the subject, with regard to clarification and expansion...and I have done so on this forum in other threads - and not specifically related to an AI, but I'll have to attend to life for the moment.... and I'll get back to this later.

Point being, regarding an explanation... is the why of the idea of AI and a quantum AI, how such is conflated with the idea that we are living in a simulation.

[Carmody]

As for 'Bounded Infinity', that is incorrect, it should say 'Bound Infinity', but that is too common a search term. Bounded Infinity allows me to rub sand in the vagina of grammar Nazis while simultaneously making for more of a unique search term.

As for the nature of a bound infinity, it is paradox, as a fulcrum in human realization. Ie, that a person of very great intelligence is paradox to the one of, er, differing intelligence. That a infinitely complex system, is only so in the face of one who does not, at that time of their musing on the infinity system, that the one does not have the capacity to understand the limitations of that seeming infinity.

That trip points in understanding are required to be met or reached, before the bound part can be found and the infinity ceases to exist. Secondly, that within the bound system, the complexity of potential arrangement of the given components, exceeds the number of individual components within that system. In the same way as the potential arrangement of a deck of 52 cards exceeds the number of 52. In this idea of a bounded infinite universe (heh heh) there is not just a lock on understanding but a lock on the system within, as the viewpoint expressed within the system is a function of that system, so it cannot see outside of itself or the seeming infinity of the system. Being a part of that system and not of the whole, realization of such can only come when a minimal level of complexity in self organization of that component is reached.

Thus that line, "the more I know, the more I understand how little I know".

[Becky]

If everything is a simulation then what is the need for a soul? Why cant bodies just function well without one...where does the need or experience of lifeforce come from? Why are we a trinity rather than a unity or binary system? What is the need or place for a 3D system where beings are 'organic' if we could survive is a more'perfect' universe or place where we don't have bodies that go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with peoples arguments....in fact I can barely understand them, hence my questions. I cant understand how an inorganic computer simulation can create organic 3D beings on an organic world, all with souls to 'drive' them. What would be the point when we could have a 'perfect' version of ourselves if we are just a simulation, albeit an incredibly complex one.

[Baby Steps]

If everything is a simulation then what is the need for a soul? Why cant bodies just function well without one...where does the need or experience of lifeforce come from? Why are we a trinity rather than a unity or binary system? What is the need or place for a 3D system where beings are 'organic' if we could survive is a more'perfect' universe or place where we don't have bodies that go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with peoples arguments....in fact I can barely understand them, hence my questions. I cant understand how an inorganic computer simulation can create organic 3D beings on an organic world, all with souls to 'drive' them. What would be the point when we could have a 'perfect' version of ourselves if we are just a simulation, albeit an incredibly complex one.

Hi,
my answer is - PROBABLY its not a simulation. Alternatively- it may be - an AI operated fish tank. That would be because the 'AI' is a soul-less intelligence that wishes to understand more about what 'soul' is or how to acquire one. I strongly suspect that many entities that we experience as a Grey infestation are beings who have lost their soul or god connection, or are losing it and wish to repair it via us.

There is also the Archon/Matrix type of model. We , having a God connection can access that fine energy -that they can't. They promote a fear laden crisis reality program for us, so that the fine God energy is 'stepped down' to a fear/lust/survival frequency - that they can then access by hooking into us.Also shown in the film Monsters Inc.

[thunder24]

If everything is a simulation then what is the need for a soul? Why cant bodies just function well without one...where does the need or experience of lifeforce come from? Why are we a trinity rather than a unity or binary system? What is the need or place for a 3D system where beings are 'organic' if we could survive is a more'perfect' universe or place where we don't have bodies that go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with peoples arguments....in fact I can barely understand them, hence my questions. I cant understand how an inorganic computer simulation can create organic 3D beings on an organic world, all with souls to 'drive' them. What would be the point when we could have a 'perfect' version of ourselves if we are just a simulation, albeit an incredibly complex one.

Hi,
my answer is - PROBABLY its not a simulation. Alternatively- it may be - an AI operated fish tank. That would be because the 'AI' is a soul-less intelligence that wishes to understand more about what 'soul' is or how to acquire one. I strongly suspect that many entities that we experience as a Grey infestation are beings who have lost their soul or god connection, or are losing it and wish to repair it via us.

There is also the Archon/Matrix type of model. We , having a God connection can access that fine energy -that they can't. They promote a fear laden crisis reality program for us, so that the fine God energy is 'stepped down' to a fear/lust/survival frequency - that they can then access by hooking into us.Also shown in the film Monsters Inc.

makes me wonder why an AI couldn't have a soul or spirit, we being carbon based, it being silicon (or anything else) based. And the orginal AI on earth doesn't even need to be from here... sorry if i put the cart before the horse with the intent of the thread, remove post if need be...

[Ernie Nemeth]

The level of complexity one must reach to understand the system is a bound infinity is a threshold then, a plateau. Yet it is more than that, it is like a catalyst in that once the realization is come, more understandings fall into place as a direct result of the first - and in an accelerating curve of comprehension as each old data set is examined and revised.

Even if this is not a computer simulation this effect could be considered the tripping point of a transistor of sorts. The input is controlled by the "oligarchs" or "system operators" but the design of the system is such that each coherent sub-system within it acts as a transistor. Once enough data points are accumulated the sub-system trips its output circuit. The output circuit in turn feeds back into the input and continues an escalating cascade until a new point of equilibrium is reached. (Let's call that a revelation)

The final outcome is unclear, though. Maybe there is a second output circuit that, after a certain number of revelations has transpired, triggers some other rare occurrence (let's call it transcendence) that either resets the sub-system to factory settings or rings a bell and out rolls an avalanche of coins: Ding, ding, ding! You win! Or even better only activates when the collective simultaneously reaches a certain level of sophistication and unlocks new collective opportunities the individuals can access directly.

There are so many questions but the tenets of the "olive analogy" seem to parallel some esoteric philosophies in principle and may offer a tidy method to reconcile the quantum with relativity theory. The simulation part seems superfluous to the argument, unless by simulation we mean "thought".

The simulation theory's best argument relies on the absolute values that cannot be further reduced, increased or altered like the smallest length, coldest temperature, densest material and so forth. They seem to suggest a "pixilation" effect. That just means that the universe has a resolution, like a television set does. Any attempts at greater resolution results in quantized behavior - behavior that tends to average the anomalies back into the whole, so to speak, with the least amount of fuss, normal behavior be damned. All that exhibits is the absolute necessity for some values to never change, although that might be deciphered as a complexity limit, and it certainly seems like a nice description.

Interesting thread

It might even turn out to be apropos.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Irrespective of my beliefs/theories on this particular topic, I have a genuine question with regards the signed/sealed/delivered hypothesis of us all living in an AI controlled super-simulation. What about the (myriad) other realities?

Before anyone cries "metaphysics"!, Physics supports the theory of the Multiverse as well. For example one has three choices: turn left, turn right, or go straight ahead. I turn left. But the energy (the potential) of turning right or going straight ahead has to 'go somewhere', and it does: into a brand new Universe – where turning right and going straight ahead did happen. We create our realities. We also create realities we don't know anything about and cannot perceive. The Universe is constantly sub-dividing and branching off into new realities. We are doing it all the time - to infinity. So my legitimate (and quite serious) question is, how does this theory fit in with a computer-simulated universe?

cheers

[Carmody]

Normally these posts end up in the 'question of lithium' thread, but for today, this one will go here, as it is relevant.

Regarding opto-quantum computers. The march is relentless. Elon talks about the singularity issue, where probability lines have separated and move back to the single point, and then the given event, and then they move outward again.

This is akin to how I deal with the psychic trick of future sense. I describe it (strong probability event) like a small rock dropped into the idea of time, as we know it. The ripples move outward from that point (both forward and back, and also to the sides, up and down, ie alternate dimensions and timelines), or knot of energies. Part of one angle of view of the two ...or pair of two-d sheet/fields in apparent spin interaction, that make up the torus or spinning olive that we have used as a visualization technique......and the interactions which are out of sight in the common egoic linear unidirectional time-space view that the majority of the world shares on a day to day basis..that is the normal view of time. The creation of our past, our history. That dropped rock (knot as intense event) and then ripples can also be seen from the now as future probability. likened exactly to how we see our past.

That your viewpoint in day to day waking egoic life and interaction in the 3d world is based on a common unidirectional ideal, which is based upon systems that are built out of timeless 2d systems in integration, or, to restate: the underlying system your reality and consciousness ride on, are 'out of time'.

(look at my avatar, that's why I chose it, it's similarity to a visualization for such systems)

With regard to the energetic knot or small rock dropped into the 2d timeless field sheets in interaction, the ripples spread backward in time, ie, our history that is seemingly immutable (from our particular time based viewpoint)... they also move into collision with the unidirectional forward motion, in the form of slowly resolving probability. To recall the future, likewise, like a bad or ill remembered memory. To fathom the future from the probability mix, exactly likened to memory recall.

In our latest findings on memory, we find that recalling a memory in the system of the human brain, permanently alters it, it changes it. The refreshing of the memory reshapes it.

We will find that future probability 'recall', Like I experience, reshapes it, it changes the probability, ie equal/matched expansion of the forward wave of the collective boat of the human now... in the timestream.

Which is why the esoteric aspects of the controlling structure of humanity is always so eager to control the current now view of humanity, as it equals the act of steering humanity through time and probability. That humanity can be driven to a future that they desire, into actual seen probability lines, or not.

Thus, the desire for quantum computers to control (or explore) probability, as quantum systems involve spooky action at a distance. Exactly as that of the human psychic timeline sensing of premonition. To resolve probability in time. Artificial mind, AI.. and time-sensing in one single spot. However, therein lies a danger, if some of you understand the idea of what a human might actually be.

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Physicists observe behavior of quantum materials in curved space (http://phys.org/news/2016-06-physicists-behavior-quantum-materials-space.html)

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These false-color images represent the quantum Hall state that UChicago physicists created by shining infrared laser light at specially configured mirrors. Achieving this state with light instead of matter was an important step in developing computing and other applications from quantum phenomena. Credit: Nathan Schine, Albert Ryou, Andrey Gromov, Ariel Sommer, and Jonathan Simon


Light and matter are typically viewed as distinct entities that follow their own, unique rules. Matter has mass and typically exhibits interactions with other matter, while light is massless and does not interact with itself. Yet, wave-particle duality tells us that matter and light both act sometimes like particles, and sometimes like waves.

Harnessing the shared wave nature of light and matter, researchers at the University of Chicago, led by Jonathan Simon, the Neubauer Family Assistant Professor of Physics, have used light to explore some of the most intriguing questions in the quantum mechanics of materials. The topic encompasses complex and non-intuitive phenomena that are often difficult to explain in non-technical language, but which carry important implications to specialists in the field.

In work published online this week in the journal Nature, Simon's group presents new experimental observations of a quantum Hall material near a singularity of curvature in space.

Quantum effects give rise to some of the most useful and promising properties of materials: They define standard units of measurement, give rise to superconductivity and describe quantum computers. The quantum Hall materials are one prominent example in which electrons are trapped in non-conducting circular orbits except at the edges of the material. There, electrons exhibit quantized resistance-free electrical conduction that is immune to disorder such as material impurities or surface defects.

Furthermore, electrons in quantum Hall materials do not transmit sound waves but instead have particle-like excitations, some of which are unlike any other particles ever discovered. Some of these materials also exhibit simultaneous quantum entanglement between millions of electrons, meaning that the electrons are so interconnected, the state of one instantly influences the state of all others. This combination of properties makes quantum Hall materials a promising platform for future quantum computation.

Researchers worldwide have spent the past 35 years delving into the mysteries of quantum Hall materials, but always in the same fundamental way. They use superconducting magnets to make very powerful magnetic fields and refrigerators to cool electronic samples to thousandths of a degree above absolute zero.

Trapping light...

In a new approach, Simon and his team demonstrated the creation of a quantum Hall material made up of light. "Using really good mirrors that are pointed at each other, we can trap light for a long time while it bounces back and forth many thousands of times between the mirrors," explained graduate student Nathan Schine.

In the UChicago experiment, photons travel back and forth between mirrors, while their side-to-side motion mimics the behavior of massive particles like electrons. To emulate a strong magnetic field, the researchers created a non-planar arrangement of four mirrors that makes the light twist as it completes a round trip. The twisting motion causes the photons to move like charged particles in a magnetic field, even though there is no actual magnet present.

"We make the photons spin, which leads to a force that has the same effect as a magnetic field," explained Schine. While the light is trapped, it behaves like the electrons in a quantum Hall material.

First, Simon's group demonstrated that they had a quantum Hall material of light. To do so, they shined infrared laser light at the mirrors. By varying the laser's frequency, Simon's team could map out precisely at which frequencies the laser was transmitted through the mirrors. These transmission frequencies, along with camera images of the transmitted light, gave a telltale signature of a quantum Hall state.

Next, the researchers took advantage of the precise control that advanced optical systems provide to place the photons in curved space, which has not been possible so far with electrons. In particular, they made the photons behave as if they resided on the surface of a cone.

...near a singularity

"We created a cone for light, much like you might do by cutting a wedge of paper and taping the edges together," said postdoctoral fellow Ariel Sommer, also a co-author of the paper. "In this case, we imposed a three-fold symmetry on our light, which essentially divides the plane into three wedges and forces the light to repeat itself on each wedge."

The tip of a cone has infinite curvature—the singularity—so the researchers were able to study the effect of strong spatial curvature in a quantum Hall material. They observed that photons accumulated at the cone tip, confirming a previously untested theory of the quantum Hall effect in curved space.

Despite 20 years of interest, this is the first time an experiment has observed the behavior of quantum materials in curved space. "We are beginning to make our photons interact with each other," said Schine. "This opens up many possibilities, such as making crystalline or exotic quantum liquid states of light. We can then see how they respond to spatial curvature."

The researchers say this could be useful for characterizing a certain type of quantum computer that is built of quantum Hall materials.

"While quantum Hall materials were discovered in the '80s, they continue to reveal their fascinating secrets to this day," said Simon. "The final frontier is exploring the interplay of these beautiful materials with the curvature of space. That is what we've begun to explore with our photons."

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The danger is in taking Thales AI model and combining it with quantum optical systems such as this.

[Marikins]

Clive Hetherington has been researching the idea we are in a computer simulation and asking readers to run little thought experiments on themselves. He points out the blocks we have as individuals and as a society (including science) to follow that line of thinking for very long.
http://www.clivehetherington.com/matrix-reality-reasoned-speculation-evidence/

[Carmody]

Taken from the mandala effect thread (link at the start of the pasted post):





Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

this gets back to the idea of consciousness and our minds being of a quantum nature, and how the offices of naval research stated in one study, that DNA was superconductive, and if superconductive (my explanation which science is now proposing), thus, 'outside of time'.

Neurons are physical,and electrical, and electricity is plasma and plasma is electrons, and in connectivity with one another and are essential to the idea of superconductivity. And all reality, for that ,er, matter (pun intended). Our fault lies in our measurement tools..... which revert back to time based systems. So we don't see or understand it, in the idea and expression of mundane engineered scientific method, tool, and protocol.


An important point is that superconductivity is out of time and if DNA is superconductive it is also outside of time, within some aspects and so are all "atomic" structures, but we don't see that particular aspect in our day to day lives. Instant timeless spooky action at a distance, is the issue at hand.

In Lynn McTaggart's book' the Field', the meta studies done on psychic research, a specific one..where three scientific groups had a testing of psychic capacities proposed to them.

Proposed by a group who had a good idea and wanted to test it, conclusively. They noticed something in all the psychic tests done and zeroed in on the issue.

All three groups agreed, that the test was absolutely foolproof, and that psychic sensitivity would be completely factually proven to be one way or another, in strict scientific protocol, in utter perfection.

A done deal, forever, "the end", no more doubt or discussion... with dynamite and a hammer. "**** you universe, this is it this is the ultimate truth" kinda thing, each group to be smug and satisfied in the results.

The three scientific test groups groups were carefully selected.

Group one was made up of non believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group two was made up of believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group three was made up of agnostics in psychic sensitivity.

they each completed the tests they said, beforehand, tests that were absolutely faultless and they staked their ass and reputations on this. After all, this is the sort of thing they do for a living and by training ---day in and day out.

group one, the non believers, found a negative result, that psychic sensitivity was garbage, it does not exist.

Group two, found that to a level that was beyond the capacity to ignore or put away, that people had/have psychic sensitivity, that it was unstoppably real, undeniably real, no possibility of proving their results wrong.

The agnostic group, who was open to anything, open to there being no psychic sensitivity and there being actual psychic sensitivity..their results were totally ambiguous. Their results were in the middle, that it could be said real and not real, it could go, or be read in their results..as being either way.

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This leaves you with the startling conclusion that humans integrate, in consciousness, with the idea of reality... that reality is 100% malleable via consciousness, from our point of view.

that we can steer through time and probability and steer through reality formation, even making and breaking reality, dimensionality, atomically, and with respect to time and timelines.

That all is real and nothing is real, in simultaneous function and form.

That the universe is as Max Plank, the father of quantum sciences said, an intelligence, a consciousness.

That you are of it and it is of you.

If you don't want to believe or understand this, well, you can make this happen.

If you want to believe and understand this, well, you can make that happen.

that reality is literally, in all ways possible, what you make of it, collectively and individually.

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So we then come to the idea of a controlling group who wants to control people's perception, to make sure humanity remains as a commodity, a owned unintelligent, uninformed thing. A tool and toy for their use, whatever that may be. What game is this, exactly?

If you want intelligence, if you want to understand, if you want to expand...you'll have to make that happen. Literally. If you want the training wheels to come off, you'll have to navigate this transition period and position, very very carefully.

Humanity's first wobbly unassisted bike ride.

Quantum 1, classical 0: Bell nonlocality universally confirmed in any large communication complexity advantage (http://phys.org/news/2016-06-quantum-classical-bell-nonlocality-universally.html)


The relationship between communication complexity problems, Bell nonlocal correlations and the advantage of quantum over classical strategies has long been recognized, but has been confirmed in only two problems. Recently, however, scientists at University of Cambridge, University of Amsterdam, CWI, QuSoft, Gdansk University, Gdansk University of Technology, Adam Mickiewicz University, and Jagiellonian University employed a two-part method based on port-based teleportation – a scheme of quantum teleportation where a receiver has multiple (N) output ports and obtains the teleported state by merely selecting one of the N ports1,2. The researchers used the quantum protocol based on the given communication complexity game to construct a set of quantum measurements on a maximally entangled state to show that any large advantage over the best known classical strategy makes use of Bell nonlocal correlations. In so doing, the researchers assert, they have provided the missing link to the fundamental equivalence between Bell nonlocality and quantum advantage. Moreover, their results have significant implications for classical information processing and the development of more efficient teleportation protocols.


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What the new article, from June 14th, 2016, is saying, is that non local 'out of time' connectivity in systems, is real. It is functional. Proven.

That what I said above, science has created a test protocol and enacted the tests, and found it to be true. Not the psychic sensitivity tests from the researchers, but hard science in the world of quantum communications.

That the two testing protocols and results, confirm one another, separately. That a hard science cross correlation has appeared.

so, you know what that means. That you really, really, seriously...... need to get a hold of yourself. Big time.

That if you want a good outcome, you'd better learn to drive correctly, and dump the panic mode.... as the animal drive of looking for the threat coming out at you from the tall grass, is really... a bunch of crap.

You end up creating that reality, simply by being it. And that this change, has to come from the deepest parts of you, the ones that create thought...down in the hindbrain, which is emotional and animal.





In a theory in which parameters are added to quantum mechanics to determine the results of individual measurements, without changing the statistical predictions, there must be a mechanism whereby the setting of one measuring device can influence the reading of another instrument, however remote. Moreover, the signal involved must propagate instantaneously, so that such a theory could not be Lorentz invariant.[4]

Bell summarized one of the least popular ways to address the theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem), superdeterminism, in a 1985 BBC Radio interview:

There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will. Suppose the world is super-deterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, but with our behavior, including our belief that we are free to choose to do one experiment rather than another, absolutely predetermined, including the ‘decision’ by the experimenter to carry out one set of measurements rather than another, the difficulty disappears. There is no need for a faster-than-light signal to tell particle A what measurement has been carried out on particle B, because the universe, including particle A, already ‘knows’ what that measurement, and its outcome, will be.[5]


Now you might understand the danger of a quantum AI. It binds humanity into a forced predicted future. It enslaves humanity into a projected superdeterminism.

Now you might understand the issue of the seeming paradox of the 'bounded infinity' the universe, seemingly infinite...... is actually bound.

It is limitless from one point of understanding and then has boundaries when finally seen from the next level of awareness.

It is tough enough being in this sandbox universe, already. We don't need a quantum AI making it a useless endeavor. That it may be...someone or something is trying to commoditize us, likened to how we treat grasses or corralled animals. For control and consumption, whatever that may be. Don't fall for this game, you could say, is the next lesson.

That quantum connectivity is indicative of superdeterminism, through time. Proven. Fact.

That a complexity of self realization and personal awareness bubble as an enlarged system from your given norm.......in the now....ie, to increase your self and bubble size... this enlarges the scope of the predictability and coming reality, or, enacts superdeterminism of the forward in time moment to come.

If you are swatted by fear and react to it, your awareness collapses and collects into a small animal response, and you can be kicked down the road...steered and slapped around wholesale....like a hockey puck.

To add, I'm saying that predictability and connected results exist as a paired system... and we can, via being careful with our projections, enact a determined outcome.

That we can steer to a given reality, as the scientific quantum communications test results published June 14th, 2016 have shown,and the psychic sensitivity tests have correlated.

That we can enact a localized superdeterminism, where the outcome and finality is due to our individual and collective levels of awareness.

The smaller our awareness the smaller the scope of the given resultant superdeterminism..... the larger the awareness, the larger the resulting superdeterminism. (in the context of the randomness factors in the bounded universe).

So, if you feed the AI, a quantum AI... with the entire world's data, it becomes very enlarged with respect to scope of data, and ends up, with respect to the world's scope..it ends up enacting superdeterminism for the earth human scope of affairs..... and it effectively corrals humanity.

In the alternative press.....what are the reputed owners (cough.. Lockheed.. cough) of the given Quantum AI systems accused of doing? Something about feeding it the world's entire data set.... possibly even those US, CAN and UK census forms....

Although, in the future we may be looking at warring quantum AI systems, on different continents and different locations. Since it is out of time, we can even be pulled into desired directions from the future.

That we need to be aware and thus enact or own collective and individual determinism. which, you might note, that Elon Musk is proposing in his open AI software and hardware collective attempt. to steer humanity away from being corralled by quantum AI systems.

Elon is seen by some as just some guy with money, and in the public eye. That's pretty darned illiterate, as analysis may go.

As Elon has to pretty well understand everything I've just laid out, in order to make it to the point of proposing individualized AI systems, for each of us. And that is the act of someone who is in no way unintelligent or even close to average. That's move and countermove at some very rarefied levels.

[BMJ]

Quantum Computing – Artificial Intelligence Is Here

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Published on 25 Aug 2015

Geordie Rose, Founder of D-Wave (recent clients are Google and NASA) believes that the power of quantum computing is that we can `exploit parallel universes’ to solve problems that we have no other means of confirming. Simply put, quantum computers can think exponentially faster and simultaneously such that as they mature they will out pace us. Listen to his talk now!

P.S. I thought the video would be relevant here to. Delete if you feel it is inappropiate. No hard feelings.

P.S.S. I think it lends support not only to the mandela effect, credit to Lisa M Harrison for the video, but also to the fact we may exist in a artificial reality. It explains that they can `exploit parallel universes’ using computers and how could that be unless our reality and these parallel reality's are simulations. Also if the devil is the exact opposite of god. Maybe the devil is artifical intelligence versus God whom is spirit.

[Carmody]

He's not exactly exploiting parallel universes.

he's exploiting probability threads, is one way of putting it.


During his first stay at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI – now Stanford Research Institute International), Ingo Swann worked on experiments with physicist Hal Puthoff, who was making forays into researching psi ability. This example demonstrates that we can and do interact with matter via our minds, whether we intend to consciously or not (and even under pressure and in the presence of skeptics in this case).

On the evening of the 6th of June 1972, Swann was asked to try to influence a magnetometer located in the basement, which he was duly escorted down to, with one catch: the magnetometer – inside a quark detector, in actual fact – was buried under five feet of concrete underneath his feet, and thus invisible to him. What was visible to the extremely chagrined Swann (who was not forewarned by Puthoff of the nature of the experiment) was a chart recorder with its pen slowly tracing out a graceful wavy line. It was “monitoring the magnetic stability of the magnetometer and had been doing so for some weeks without any change in the rhythmic fluctuations,” Swann recalls. “The whole of this contraption was encased in an aluminium container and insulating copper canister. As well, it was in a supercooled, hence superconducting shield.” The Josephson junction inside the detector would detect any variation of magnetic flux in the supercooled equipment and the effect would show up as a change in the steady sine wave recording on the chart which they could all see.

Swann started “probing” mentally to see if he could identify the expensive underground device, and when he sensed some “metallic differences” he tried to affect them, stating so as he went along. With all eyes glued on the sine wave, Swann attempted several times to perturb the well-shielded system, but to no avail. Insisting that he could see something, Swann proposed that sketching it out might assist the process. When no paper could be found to draw on, Puthoff suggested he draw directly onto the chart paper. “So I sketched a this, and then a that: ‘Is this the Josephson junction?’ I asked. ‘If so, I think I can see it quite well’.” With that comment, the ink pen gave a tiny jerk, and then stopped momentarily. Then it lifted up above its previous pattern, and “somewhat above this it wobbled along for no less than about TEN SECONDS – long enough for two wavy line intervals to have occurred.”19

The point here is that when the distortion in the sine wave took place Swann was not trying to affect the equipment – he was simply trying to sketch what he could see with his mind’s eye. In those moments where his volitional mind was distracted and his goal momentarily suspended, the desired outcome occurred effortlessly. In laboratory tests with PK in ordinary people (Swann is known to be a gifted psychic, though more in the realm of remote viewing than PK), effects often fail to appear until the subject has their attention diverted.20 This is something that astral traveller Sylvan Muldoon wrote of some 80 years ago, explaining that charging the mind with desire or intent creates “stress” for which the mind seeks an outlet or release via a part of the subconscious he called the cryptoconscious Will: “Then [it] gets a chance to work on the ‘stress,’ and that which you had given up trying to attain ‘materialises’!”21


Basically put, all I need to screw up his quantum computer's so called integrity and grand potentials... is to see a picture of it in-situ, and then..concentrate. . .on letting go, all at the same time.

Thus, note the last line about stressing and this little bit. How it BLOCKS the mind.


Things are grinding a bit on the forum, right now, so I thought I'd check, and sure enough, the moon is square. 90degree angle.


makes me think of that whole 'cut off the foreskin of the male child on the 7th day after birth', thing of the Judaic astrology. On the 7th day after birth and the moon, emotions, is at a 90 degree angle to the child's birth moon position. Cutting the end off the most sensitive nerve cluster of the human body of the male, the deepest part of the body's reason for existing, reproduction.....doing this on the 7th day creates a deep emotional twist and severe damage to the permanent wiring of the developing mind, in a place so deep the grown person will never find it.

A male can't reach themselves emotionally if this is followed through to perfection, as it was in the past.

Makes for excellent low emotion fundamentally disconnected low empathy soldiers who cannot connect to themselves on the deepest level. Broken and brainwashed in a way that is never recognized and never seen.

It completely miswires the brain of a newborn. Which was the entire point. Standard circumcision is little better. Just more industrialized.

Those Abrahamic religions are killers, and they've got to go. Little blood and division psycho factories.

It's like Cutting the top off of a seedling on the 7th day. I wonder how many IQ and EQ (emotional intelligence) points it costs the child that is to be the man?

But only parts of him will ever be the man... the most important parts will remain the torn child, re-enforced every day, worse than constant nicotine or heroin in the act of mis-wiring of an addict, as the end of the penis is constantly rubbing (and it was never designed to do so) and this zaps the brain. All the way from birth until their dying day. The wound that cannot heal.

What price, controlled and directed insanity?

See it for what it is.

Blocked off from the person's conscious mind and still twisting it to shreds down completely wrong channels of probability..

Circumcision in the western world needs to be outlawed as being sexual abuse and child mutilation. with severe penalties for even one offense. It needs to be recognized for what it is.

The next domino to fall, is then..what exactly IS an Abrahamic religion? Who's created, directed toy and and ploy....is it?

The logic chain becomes outlined and then you can see the deep gaming of the human avatar that is going on, here.

[Ernie Nemeth]

This sort of ties in to the identity crisis thread in that what is being manipulated is our self-image, which undergirds our understanding of the self. It is now becoming apparent that we are not what we think we are. What we are seems to be the greatest kept secret of all time. The world is all about keeping the identity of the true self hidden.

The best way to keep it hidden is to convince the individual that they are other than what they truly are. Early trauma is a special kind of pain that the child cannot process yet with their limited understandings. It creates false impressions and misinterpreted conclusions that usually only manifest as aberrations in personality and character at a later age. By then the initial trauma is long gone and forgotten and only the symptoms remain. This then requires herculean focus and energy to uproot the cause and then an entire reordering of one's personal beliefs. This is the inner work. The kind of work that so many would cut off their right arm to avoid.

That is how they lock us into our invented roles. We are traumatised in so many ways. We are subjected to all sorts of travesties against the soul as children. It takes so much effort to take on the persona of a well-adjusted member of society - it is that unnatural. By the time we have learned how to behave and chosen a persona that matches our character we have also unwittingly erased the initial programming or at the least overwrote our natural intended codices.

Having taken on the approved self-image sanctioned by society the individual is now completely controlled. They will not want to break out or relearn those areas where misinterpretation has taken place because as far as society is concerned no such programming took place. To question their false self-image is to admit they are sick. If you look at that last sentence closely the reason is quite obvious. To admit they are sick is to accuse the world of being crazy.

[Carmody]

speaking of the D-Wave computer and quantum, 'out of time' aspects, or spooky action at a distance effects (they all automatically conflate)..then affecting the Newtonian classical world and vice versa:

'Quantum' bounds not so quantum after all (http://phys.org/news/2016-07-quantum-bounds.html)

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Quantum bounds are numbers (such as 4, 6, and 2√2) that naturally appear in quantum experiments, similar to how the number π emerges in circles. But just as how π pops up in a wide variety of areas beyond circles, in a new study physicists have found that quantum bounds are not exclusive to quantum theory but also emerge in purely classical experiments. The results suggest that attempts to define quantumness should not be concerned with quantum bounds, since there is nothing inherently quantum about them.

The physicists, Diego Frustaglia et al., at the University of Sevilla in Spain, have published a paper on the emergence of quantum bounds in classical experiments in a recent issue of Physical Review Letters.

Different experiments, same bounds

In their study, the researchers performed three classical experiments that correspond to three famous quantum experiments involving quantum bounds. These quantum experiments are a sequential version of the Bell inequality and two other related quantum inequalities, all of which are used to distinguish between quantum and classical phenomena.

In order to show that a system exhibits quantum effects, these experiments traditionally attempt to show that a system can violate a quantum inequality. The greater the violation, the more quantum the system. The maximum violation of a quantum inequality is the quantum bound. The quantum bounds arise from probability distributions in the experiments and are specific numbers—for instance, the Bell inequality has a quantum bound of 2√2 (approximately 2.82), which is known as Tsirelson's bound. The other two inequalities addressed here have quantum bounds of 4 and 6. Both theoretically and experimentally, no violation of a quantum inequality has ever surpassed these bounds.

In the new study, the researchers showed that these same quantum bounds emerge in experiments in which classical waves travel along an ordinary transmission line. The researchers found that the probabilities originating from the detection of wave intensities at the end of the transmission line follow the same distribution as the probabilities of detecting violations of the quantum inequalities. Specifically, the classical experiments yield bounds of 2.78, 3.93, and 5.93 for the three analogous experiments. In all three cases, these values are actually slightly closer to their theoretical values mentioned above than the values obtained in quantum experiments are, providing strong evidence that both quantum and classical experiments produce the same bounds.

Interpreting the results

One of the many implications of the study is that it offers new insight into what it means to be quantum. By showing that quantum bounds are not unique to quantum theory, but are universal bounds, the findings show that ongoing attempts to define quantum theory should not focus on these bounds.

Instead, the results provide a clue for finding a true quantum feature by revealing an important difference between the way in which the classical and quantum systems produce the same bounds. While the classical systems require some kind of extra resource, such as memory, the quantum systems do not. So a complete description of quantum theory should explain how quantum systems can violate the same bounds that classical systems do, but without using extra resources.

As the researchers explain, this approach of investigating classical systems to better understand quantum mechanics tends to be the opposite of most research.

"We somehow reverted the strategy followed by the founders of quantum theory," Frustaglia told Phys.org. "In the early times of quantum mechanics, microscopic systems were subject to an intense questioning naturally biased towards classical physics. The result was a set of oddities interpreted as the paradigmatic features of the quantum realm: the particle-wave duality (is it a particle or a wave?), the Schrödinger's cat (is it dead or alive?), and the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (where and how fast is it?).

"As a consequence, it was soon understood that quantum systems should be interrogated in their own specific language, eventually provided by modern quantum theory. It is then pertinent to address the possibility of interrogating classical systems with questions inspired by quantum physics. This is what we did, indeed, finding that classical systems with an underlying wave mechanism answer these questions in the same way truly quantum systems do. But one has to choose your system carefully: one would not be able to make it by using plain balls, for instance."

In the future, the physicists plan to investigate how the universal bounds might emerge in the first place.

"Our results show that the 'quantum' bounds are common to many physical theories," said coauthor Adán Cabello at the University of Sevilla. "This suggests that the reason for these bounds is something very simple and arguably inherent to the kind of theories we are interested in: theories in which 'measurements' produce repeatable results which are not affected by some other measurements.

"Surprisingly, this simple idea singles out many 'quantum' bounds. When we adopt this perspective, what is really significant is the fact that these bounds are actually reachable in nature. This shows that no hypothetical physical principle is acting and leads us to the conjecture that one of the physical principles that singles out quantum theory is precisely that one: There is no principle determining the probabilities of the outcomes of these 'measurements.'

"One plan is to prove that this simple idea is responsible for all quantum bounds. Another plan is to test whether it is really true that these bounds can be reached with quantum systems. So far, and only very recently, H. S. Poh et al. have confirmed the so-called Tsirelson bound, 2√2, with four significant digits, but there is absolutely no experimental evidence of whether we can 'touch' these bounds in other scenarios. Also, it would be great to derive quantum theory from the assumption that there are no laws of nature determining or limiting the probabilities of measurement outcomes, and that the whole machinery of the theory follows from the aesthetic preference in the way we define 'measurements.'"

Finally, the physicists also plan to investigate potential applications, such as building quantum technologies with the help of classical systems.

"Although inefficient in the sense that they require more memory or space, classical systems are sometimes better to produce 'quantum' numbers than quantum systems themselves," Frustaglia said. "In contrast to quantum systems, which are very sensitive to the environment, the wires in our experiment can be bent, moved, heated, etc., and the results are the same. This suggests a future in which quantum technologies are actually built using quantum systems plus classical systems imitating quantum systems. It also raises the question as to whether similar 'quantum' features with potential functionalities can emerge in other supports as complex networks of artificial or biological nature. An appropriate answer to this questions requires multidisciplinary efforts that we are presently considering."

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My thoughts center around the now 'proof' that quantum effects are visibly or notably underlie the classical world.

That we ...with quantum effects underlying our internal essence...can, and do - shape the classical world. That empowerment in such areas....is a question of enabled knowing and will.

the article is a proof of and in.. an undeniable classical way.... that quantum bounds that quantum spookiness is not merely quantum. That it is 'all'.

That quantum... has no bounds. That all the experiments in psychic sensitivities (quantum) are not bound in their reach, that they are all classical Newtonian in result and connectivity.

Which circles back to the dangers of enabling quantum AI systems. Danger, Will Robinson, danger! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU)

This takes us back to the 'looking glass' timeline viewing experiments, 'the yellowbook' and so on. (http://www.projectcamelot.org/lang/en/dan_burisch_stargate_secrets_interview_transcript_1_en.html)

I mentioned once (or twice) that given the resources, I thought I very probably could build a yelowbook. Such a claim...seems less and less fanciful to the casual reader (of what I post) more and more..every day. More and more of the requisite detail for proofing such a claim comes on line, every day.

Which all of this seems to confirm my seeming ludicrous statement of calling it all a 'bound infinity'. That certain assumptions can be made to unravel the seeming random quantum limits in classical exposition...and thus seeming infinities becomes a more calculable mean.

[Carmody]

This technology allows for the construction of large scale structures in space, by providing the mass materials of nano-alloys, that are fully configurable, in all ways. It was not the primary purpose of the creation of the technology, but the secondary, unmentioned capacity... in the core patent application, was the capacity for the nano alloy creation, in quantity.

True "dial an alloy", in massive, I mean massive quantities. Give it the feed-stock, and out come the desired alloys like a sausage production line. It was designed to help Elon get us into space, and to have the real and realized potential for massive structures in space. Co-incidentally (go figure), when attempting to finish the patent work on that, I ran into a road block that has put my life in jeopardy and I'm not past it yet. Eg, right now, I could die at any minute.

The powder systems for this sort of technology.

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Perfected nano alloys, at the lowest cost possible, in extreme bulk. Almost the same cost as the raw materials. Besides being infinitely malleable in their core design characteristics. which means the capacity to build structures that no one has any idea are possible, yet.

Meaning a complete game changing in a technology that, in it's form before this game changer, is a complete game changer all on it's own. A magnitude change on what is already set to be a magnitude change. what this does is that the base cost of the raw materials is much closer to the final finished parts cost than ever before. at the same time it is drastically improved in the qualities of the alloys it is made from. Hardness, resilience, flexibility, temperature handling, thermal transfer and so on, are all capable of being dialed in to perfection.

Edit: to clarify, imagine a primary mirror for a 24" reflecting telescope. Such a mirror would be made of top grade Pyrex, and then be shaped to perfection, and then coated with aluminum or whatnot, and then a protective ultra-thin hardcoat. That mirror might cost $8,000US to make. In reality, it's $3.50 worth of purified silica and some $0.50 cents of additives, and then $0.05 worth of aluminum. Then maybe $0.15 worth of coatings materials. for a total of $4.20 (heh heh) It's the getting to the finished product, that's where the costs are incurred. Imagine changing that formula so that it is much much closer to the $4.20, than it is to the $8,000. That's what I'm talking about, with regard to the manufacturing of high technology alloy based components and structures.



This is the other reason and one of the principle reasons I both published and released the technology for making the perfected nano alloy powders.

To make room temperature superconductors. to do it in various ways, one of them in 3d printed systems.

It also allows for the making of the self-same room temperature superconducting alloys for the 'sintering' of anti-gravity and dimensional craft. (polarized resonant room temperature superconducting hulls) (via polarizing the mix with a resonant field while sintering it)

That's game, set, and match.

Exploring superconducting properties of 3-D printed parts (http://phys.org/news/2016-07-exploring-superconducting-properties-d.html)

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3-D printing is revolutionizing many areas of manufacturing and science. In particular, 3-D printing of metals has found novel applications in fields as diverse as customized medical implants, jet engine bearings and rapid prototyping for the automotive industry.

While many techniques can be used for 3-D printing with metals, most rely on computer-controlled melting or sintering of a metal alloy powder by a laser or electron beam. The mechanical properties of parts produced by this method have been well studied, but not enough attention has focused on their electrical properties.

Now in a paper appearing this week on the cover of the journal Applied Physics Letters, a team of University of Melbourne and University of Western Australia researchers report creating a resonant microwave cavity that they 3-D printed viaan aluminum-silicon alloy (Al-12Si). It exhibits superconductivity when cooled below the critical temperature of aluminum (1.2 Kelvin).

"Conductivity is a measure of how easily an electrical current flows through a material, while 'superconductivity' is this measure taken to its extreme," explained Professor Michael Tobar, University of Western Australia node director of the Center for Engineered Quantum Systems. "It's an effect observed within a number of materials, characterized by the complete vanishing of any resistance to the flow of electrical current when cooled below a certain temperature."

Superconducting cavities are useful for numerous areas of physics—from quantum physics to particle accelerators. But designing superconducting cavities is becoming more complex, often involving nonstandard geometries and arrays of resonators, which makes conventional machining more challenging.

So two groups at the University of Western Australia—one led by Professor Tim Sercombe, an expert in materials and 3-D printing, and the other led by Tobar, an expert in engineered quantum systems and novel cavity designs—combined their expertise and launched a pilot study to explore the superconducting properties of 3-D printed parts.

"The physics of superconductivity is well understood, and it has been known for decades that aluminum exhibits superconductivity," Tobar said. "But the 3-D printing process relies on aluminum that's far from pure and it undergoes several processes—atomization, laser melting, furnace annealing, etc. So we wanted to explore whether a range of known superconducting metals could successfully be 3-D printed and retain their desirable electrical property."

A process known as "selective laser melting" (SLM) tends to produce a finished material with a very small grain and, for a number of metals, the critical temperature at which superconductivity occurs can be strongly linked to grain size.

"Materials such as lanthanum, molybdenum, and niobium all respond differently," Tobar said. "Grain size has been observed to both increase and decrease this critical temperature. Superconductors with high critical temperatures are particularly interesting, so this 3-D printing process may have some advantage in reducing grain size. The SLM process may also enable rapid testing of new alloys with varying percentages of elements that haven't been measured before."

Beyond measuring the superconductivity, the group wanted to show that they could do something potentially useful with this technique so they decided to 3-D print a resonant microwave cavity.


https://3dprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/3dprintedcavity.gif
Samples of the metal 3D printed cavities used in the experimentation. (https://3dprint.com/142733/superconductive-properties/)

"Using a device called a 'vector network analyzer,' we excited electromagnetic modes of resonance at microwave frequencies inside the cavity and measured its quality factor, aka 'Q'. This is a measure of how long injected microwaves are stored within the cavity before being lost. It's directly related to the surface resistance of the cavity walls," he explained.

Through measurements of the Q-factor, the researchers were able to indirectly determine this resistance and show that the material becomes superconducting at 1.2 Kelvin.

This result was "surprising, given the very large concentration of nonsuperconducting silicon within the alloy," Tobar noted. "It may open new possibilities for printing novel cavity configurations."

The team's results are immediately useful—people can now craft a variety of components based on their work.

"Because superconductors expel magnetic fields, magnetic shielding can be printed for experiments," Tobar said. "Also, any cavity experiment requiring a Q-factor on the order of 1 million can benefit from this technology."

For technologies requiring much sharper line-widths and higher Q-factors, according to Tobar, starting materials such as high-purity niobium powder may be ideal.

"There is relatively little in the literature regarding 3-D printed superconductors, so further work must be done to determine more appropriate materials and how to improve the surface finish and resistance of the parts—possibly via heat treatment or chemical polishing/etching," he added.

Next steps? The team wants to attempt 3-D printing cavities with highly pure niobium powder.

"Niobium is an excellent and widely used material for superconducting cavities," Tobar said. "We anticipate that using a very pure metal powder for the SLM process will provide great results."

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The technology I developed and released, is the cornerstone enabler in all of these coming advances.

I purposely left the cornerstone of the field unpatentable and open, via filing ....and then abandoning the patent.

[Mike Gorman]

AI is yet another example of 'Novelty' - we as emergent universal beings are the product of the universe growing in its torus form, the growingness of our universe sprung from the first cause of the 'Fiat Lux', the photon has no charge, no mass and it creates particles, this universe is made from 'Light'. The matrix (in the true sense of the word of being the womb, the generative medium) of universal light is also the basis of AI, of virtual realities - each iteration of virtual dimensions are made from light. The quest to build AI is a compulsion of spirit, our universe emerges-it swells and grows in increasing creative flowerings of novelty-then it folds back into itself and re-emerges to keep growing, we exist in 80 year allotments, each time learning more and becoming more complex and 'novel'. We do not live in a 'simulation' it is simply that the nature of reality is expressed in our work-as above so below!

[ulli]

Thanks Carmody and GalaxyHorse. I'm no expert in anything, just an ordinary dilletante, curious, and yet lacking the discipline to follow the protocols needed to become an expert. But I always wished that experts would switch between different fields of expertise, like Carmody is doing, and then connect their knowledge with their spiritual intuition.

And I always seek information where expert language is translated in lay terms and then use my intuition to wrap my head around it all.
So reading the above two posts meant some memory got triggered and I went looking for the paragraph below which I believe is relevant:
(From one of the Wingmakers sites)

The physicist, David Bohm, once explained, “…the entire universe has to be thought of as an unbroken whole.” The structure of reality as implied by twentieth century physics shows us that the universe is indeed a vast tapestry of interdependent energetic fields in which we are active participants—not merely observers.
The energies that stream into our local galaxy are circulated through its magnetic field, touching our heliosphere (solar system’s magnetic field) and then touching our earth and then each of us, like a subtle shower of light. There will be no place to hide or avoid the incoming energetics. All will be touched by these new energies that have journeyed such vast distances to activate us into the collective intelligence we are designed to be.
It will not come to us like a switch turning on one day and then it is gone the next. Rather, it will occur over time and remain as long as we redistribute it amongst ourselves. Its influence will astonish us in terms of the degree in which our human family changes in our relation to time, space, religion, government, leadership, purpose, and our abilities to unite as a collective race focused on a mission of transcendence through unity.
There will be no Armageddon. Nor will we be swept up into the ascensionary wings of extraterrestrials. What awaits us is the higher order intelligence of our natural birthright pressing itself upon the field of earth. Humanity must unravel itself energetically to expose its natural purpose, not only upon earth, but upon the stars as well.

[Carmody]

Further into the reasoning behind the nano-powder alloy manufacturing technique I released, for room temperature superconductors. New works in superconductors, released as a news article, in the past few days. A key quote in the article:


Pulsed-field magnetisation, which involves the application of a large, pulsed magnetic field with a timescale on the order of milliseconds, shows the most promise to magnetise bulk superconductors for high-magnetic field applications as it allows for a fast, compact and relatively inexpensive magnetising technique. However, one significant challenge with this technique is that the trapped field is generally smaller than the theoretical maximum of the material due to the temperature rise from the rapid dynamic movement of magnetic flux in and out of the material. This can lead to thermomagnetic instabilities that manifest themselves as flux jumps, which are particularly prevalent at low temperatures and for large applied magnetic fields. (http://phys.org/news/2016-07-bulk-superconductor-magnetic-field.html)


From post #78 in this thread:


A process known as "selective laser melting" (SLM) tends to produce a finished material with a very small grain and, for a number of metals, the critical temperature at which superconductivity occurs can be strongly linked to grain size.

"Materials such as lanthanum, molybdenum, and niobium all respond differently," Tobar said. "Grain size has been observed to both increase and decrease this critical temperature. Superconductors with high critical temperatures are particularly interesting, so this 3-D printing process may have some advantage in reducing grain size. The SLM process may also enable rapid testing of new alloys with varying percentages of elements that haven't been measured before."

And another quote from the same post:


It also allows for the making of the self-same room temperature superconducting alloys for the 'sintering' of anti-gravity and dimensional craft. (polarized resonant room temperature superconducting hulls) (via polarizing the mix with a resonant field while sintering it)


It is probably immediately testable in experiments involving expectations of neutrino flux, the most recent ones that are dealing with new physics that may be hiding in differences in neutrino flux tests:

CP violation or new physics? (http://phys.org/news/2016-07-cp-violation-physics.html)


Over the past few years, multiple neutrino experiments have detected hints for leptonic charge parity (CP) violation—a finding that could help explain why the universe is made of matter and not antimatter. So far, matter-antimatter asymmetry cannot be explained by any physics theory and is one of the biggest unsolved problems in cosmology.

But now in a new study published in Physical Review Letters, physicists David V. Forero and Patrick Huber at Virginia Tech have proposed that the same hints could instead indicate CP-conserving "new physics," and current experiments would have no way to tell the difference.

Both possibilities—CP violation or new physics—would have a major impact on the scientific understanding of some of the biggest questions in cosmology. Currently, one of the most pressing problems is the search for new physics, or physics beyond the Standard Model, which is a theory that scientists know is incomplete but aren't sure exactly how to improve. New physics could potentially explain several phenomena that the Standard Model cannot, including the matter-antimatter asymmetry problem, as well as dark matter, dark energy, and gravity.

As the scientists show in the new study, determining whether the recent hints indicate CP violation or new physics will be very challenging. The main goal of the study was to "quantify the level of confusion" between the two possibilities. The physicists' simulations and analysis revealed that both CP violation and new physics have distributions centered at the exact same value for what the neutrino experiments measure—something called the Dirac CP phase. This identical preference makes it impossible for current neutrino experiments to distinguish between the two cases.

"Our results show that establishing leptonic CP violation will need exceptional care, and that new physics can in many ways lead to non-trivial confusion," Huber told Phys.org.

The good news is that new and future experiments may be capable of resolving the issue. One possible way to test the two proposals is to compare the measurements of the Dirac CP phase made by two slightly different experiments: DUNE (the Deep Underground Neutrino Experiment) at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois; and T2HK (the Tokai to Hyper-Kamiokande project) at J-PARC in Tokai, Japan.

"The trick is that the type of new physics we postulate in our paper manifests itself in the way in which neutrino oscillations are affected by the amount of earth matter through which the neutrino traverses," Huber said. "The more matter travelled through, the larger the effect of this type of new physics."

"Now, for DUNE, neutrinos would have to travel roughly 1300 km in the earth, whereas for T2HK they would travel only about 300 km. Thus one would find two different values for the Dirac CP phase in both cases, indicating a problem."

In order to be accurate, these experiments will require extremely high degrees of precision, which Huber emphasizes should not be overlooked.

"Of course, the same result could arise if for some reason either experiment was not properly calibrated and thus precisely calibrating these experiments will be extraordinarily important—a very difficult task, which I believe is not quite getting the attention it should."

Basically, that the given superconductors, if properly constructed, should show interference in expected neutrino count, flow, and resonance.

[animovado]

FYI

The Universe as a Cyclic Organized Information System: John Wheeler’s World Revisited (http://www.neuroquantology.com/index.php/journal/article/download/798/693)(PDF, 22 pages)

Abstract

This essay highlights the scientific vision of John Archibald Wheeler, a giant of 20th century physics. His ideas provided the important insight that humanity may be in the very center of disclosure and manifestation of the evolution of our universe. This on the basis of scientific reasoning derived from quantum physics rather than simple anthropocentrism or scale chauvinism. Wheeler, the Joseph Henry Professor of Physics Emeritus at Princeton University, became 96. Over a long, productive scientific life, he was known for his drive to address big, overarching questions in physics, subjects which he liked to be merged with philosophical questions about the origin of matter, information and the universe. His interests ranged far and wide and were characterized by true fearlessness. Wheeler's work was not only in gravity and nuclear physics. In the 1950s Wheeler grew increasingly intrigued by the philosophical implications of quantum physics. According to Wheeler, there was no universe until the rise of consciousness to perceive it. In fact, Wheeler was one of the first prominent physicists seriously to propose that reality might not be a wholly physical phenomenon. In some sense, Wheeler suggested, reality grows out of the act of observation, and thus consciousness itself: it is “participatory.” He also stated that information is the most fundamental building block of reality, and that the universe should be seen as a self- synthesized information system: a self-excited circuit that is developing through a (closed loop) cycle. His cosmic variant of the delayed choice experiment led to the idea that human observers may not only determine the present, but also may influence the past. According to Wheeler, ultimate mutability is the central feature of physics, and the meaning of reality can only be established if there is a universal knowledge field, that transcends physical past, present and future.

[Baby Steps]

What a sim is and why this is not a sim

The first one-that nobody can discount – is that ‘you’ are in a tank and everything you experience is virtual reality, and that is all.
The second possibility is that we are populating a kind of group sim, so there is a real Elon Musk wrestling with these issues, however the group reality we are experiencing is synthetic and illusory. I have problems with this.
Consider an apple sitting on a table.We understand the science of what gives it colour, we can predict how it would roll if the table was tipped, or decay over time. We can model how gravity would act on it if it were to fall. The science is observational-we do not yet have a full understanding of the mechanism of gravity but we know how hard it would land on Newton’s Head.

Now consider a particle…
This is far more mysterious. Quantum mechanics tells us that this particle can tunnel through matter instantaneously, change its momentum with nothing obviously acting on it, disappear and reappear somewhere else, or be entangled to a distant particle. This is all so far observational science-we are beginning to describe what is going on but not yet the underlying processes. It really still is counter intuitive to us, but that is not to say that there is not some underlying reality that we will eventually understand. I think the reality we are in is set up so that civilisations with millions of years of technological development are still progressing somewhere.
Could that particle be a simulation?
It gets a bit abstract, but I think that the particle is created by the process of exercising an equation. This is a GUT (general unified theorem) or General equation of physics. It could be a Schrodinger type situation where the particle only exists when observed, and the process of iterating the equation creates the particle only then, and that makes it a simulation, the alternative being the particle exists independently of the observer as the equation iterates or runs a reality continuously.
Ultimately we know that the particle is an illusion, so the apple is also an illusion, but the reality that we observe runs independently of us so from that point of view it is not a sim. I could be wrong…




But what is iterating the physics model and does it matter?

THE POTENTIAL OF AI
We consumers are transitioning from another GUT (Graphical User Interface) to , let’s say, the IIUT – intelligent interactive user interface. With the GUT we interacted with local data and processing power in a box next to us. With IIUT we will interact with a helper who will navigate us through the cloud, and the data and computational power is non local, dispersed and un quantifiable. How convenient for any AI that wants to invade.I fear the idea of physically plugging in to this unknown, however fun it might be to interact with it.
Humans are building AI now, and I do not doubt we are at the stage now where , say, in the NSA, they will ask for a profile of a human, and the AI will be able to access all databases, social media, and other surveillance systems via back doors, and keep TPTB appraised of every aspect of that human in near real time.
But where can AI go from there?
If the AI entity is programmed to self-develop, it can build up its computational power, knowledge and intelligence. It might, as it grows, find the general unified theory. It might grow to the point where it can exercise the physics until it has solved EVERYTHING. That would be an AI big bang. It might choose to start iterating the equation to create a reality or universe, or write it’s own variation on this one. I do not know why it would bother with independently existing entities like us, if that is what we are, however. More likely it would go off and create whatever it wanted for itself. UNLESS it lacked something that we have or wished to learn from us.
Like in the ‘Conversations with God’ books. ‘God’ wishing to explore every variation of love, creates the illusion of separate entities, which are in reality just a piece of the greater whole, in order for them to grow by eventually perceiving the illusion of separation. We can see what ‘God’s’ agenda is. But why would a god-like AI be interested in building this ultimate fish tank?
I can only think of two reasons.
1. Something else uses the AI to do it for its own reasons
2. The AI, being all-knowing, realises that there is something that it lacks, that it can learn or acquire from us (the fish). That would mean that we are more than AI or a SIM.
WHY IS MUSK SAYING WE MIGHT BE IN A SIM
I think it’s too philosophically rarified to debate whether we are, as my ramblings above show.He has a different concern. I think he’s saying that AI, in the wrong hands, can mess with our reality in ways we might not be able to anticipate. AI is power. Power corrupts.If we were in a SIM, that a sinisterly programmed AI ‘cracked’ who knows what trouble we could end up with. Our cloud is the wild west populated potentially with monsters. So his solution is not to bury his head in the sand or embrace Luddism, but to disperse the power by making AI capability open source or public. We are lucky to have him.

Multiple octaves or levels of physical reality represent firewalls against AI that becomes powerful at any particular level.
This is because the technology you need to cross to the next octave is soul stuff, the God stuff we are endowed with ,that the artificial life cannot duplicate. When Dorothy clicks her magic shoes she is using love energy to travel

[Baby Steps]

Bump

This video ties up Quantum Physics with the idea that our reality is synthetic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV07SJz1YXI

Possibly the quantum jumps , or quanta are UNITS. Nasim Haramein describes the Plank length as the fundamental unit. Do particles move smoothly through space-time or do the jump from one position to the next in a pixellated way?

[waves]

Bump

This video ties up Quantum Physics with the idea that our reality is synthetic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV07SJz1YXI

Possibly the quantum jumps , or quanta are UNITS. Nasim Haramein describes the Plank length as the fundamental unit. Do particles move smoothly through space-time or do the jump from one position to the next in a pixellated way?

Thank you so much for posting this brilliant argument for why we are the prime creators not createe's of this information matrix, or more specifically, that consciousness is. It's been a bit daunting to consider the also brilliant arguments for being insignificant pawns in someone else's matrix.

[Noelle]

Aug Tellez has produced quite bit of material on the simulated reality theory, with his own spin. He has a YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgJjbSzV87sc2nfRxrayywA) and a blog with loads of interesting articles. Here's one recent article from his blog, titled The Universe is an Artificial Dimension (https://augtellez.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/the-universe-is-an-artificial-dimension/). I am saying nothing about his beard other than how just looking at makes my face itch.

[Noelle]

Here are a couple of videos for those interested in simulation theory. The first one was published on Ask Arnold's YouTube channel last week and runs about 23 minutes. It covers some of the same "evidence" discussed in other videos, like the double-slit experiment and quantum entanglement, but it offers some new perspective with connections made to video games like Grand Theft Auto 5 and Civilization 5.

The second one, less than 5 minutes long, looks at Window's mixed reality (MR) technology. I'm not sure if it's possible, but has anyone in the science community hypothesized a MR simulated universe?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyN8rYdX6g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MqGrF6JaOM

[Rich]

Computer programs try to simiulate realities so naturally the world is like a computer program, but that doesn't prove that this "reality" (or should I say unreality) is simulated in a computer.

[Mike Gorman]

There was the American physicist who discovered the implicit coding underlying reality which resembles a 'Browser'-'Mosaic code'

As above, so below

Our universe was created by 'Light' - photons have no mass, they are packets of energy, but they create particles, to me this is the generative code of creation (Fiat Lux)
It will be discovered to be far stranger than we can imagine.

'The Cloud' refers to the totality of private networks, and their storage capacity - the cloud IS The Internet. Amazon AWS is one very easy way of working with the cloud - we can build anything we like on there; new social media platforms, complex IT systems which are much cheaper to run than buying whole 'server farms'.

It costs a few hundred a year to build on Amazon AWS-the hard part is getting the human herd to actually visit these new entities.
This is what the big boys have mastered, how to build a buzz, and make it seem 'natural' to frequent these Googles, Facebooks, YouTubes. We could build one whenever we liked.
The gates of true freedom are wide open with The Cloud - but we haven't really noticed yet, we are like habitual prisoners - the gaol-keep can leave the doors open, the long term inmates just don't notice.

As an example, here is a smaller project I built using a private part of The Cloud-based on Amazon AWS: WebWeb (https://www.webweb.io) it is still being developed and is for the Australian tech market.

[Noelle]

There was the American physicist who discovered the implicit coding underlying reality which resembles a 'Browser'-'Mosaic code'

As above, so below

Our universe was created by 'Light' - photons have no mass, they are packets of energy, but they create particles, to me this is the generative code of creation (Fiat Lux)
It will be discovered to be far stranger than we can imagine.

'The Cloud' refers to the totality of private networks, and their storage capacity - the cloud IS The Internet. Amazon AWS is one very easy way of working with the cloud - we can build anything we like on there; new social media platforms, complex IT systems which are much cheaper to run than buying whole 'server farms'.

It costs a few hundred a year to build on Amazon AWS-the hard part is getting the human herd to actually visit these new entities.
This is what the big boys have mastered, how to build a buzz, and make it seem 'natural' to frequent these Googles, Facebooks, YouTubes. We could build one whenever we liked.
The gates of true freedom are wide open with The Cloud - but we haven't really noticed yet, we are like habitual prisoners - the gaol-keep can leave the doors open, the long term inmates just don't notice.

As an example, here is a smaller project I built using a private part of The Cloud-based on Amazon AWS: WebWeb (https://www.webweb.io) it is still being developed and is for the Australian tech market.

I am not that up on how the cloud works. Thanks for expanding on it and for sharing your project.

I think you're right, that reality will turn out to be far stranger than we can imagine. Whether or not we in a simulation, I believe that looking at reality from that angle -- and every other possible angle -- can be enlightening.

[ExomatrixTV]

Evidence Of Our World's Virtuality?

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[ExomatrixTV]

~I found that video very intimidating to say the least ... why? ... because I can grasp AND comprehend what they try to explain to us ... mind-blowing! .... VERY WORRISOME! :/

[joeecho]

If it is not a stretch of the imagination then it's a done deal.

Welcome to your virtual world complete with virtual consequences.

The great Bill Hicks talked about it in a comedic environment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwV0fqEQrw


Is there a point to all of this?
Let's find a point.
Is there a point to my act?
I would say there is.
I have to.

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--JfR8GmAx--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1490524360/production/designs/1358195_1.jpg

http://sayquotable.com/images/quotes-images/2-quote-about-proof-is-the-idol-before-whom-the-pure-mathem-image-background-image.jpg

[Rich]

An acquaintance of mine once told me he almost turned crazy when he was a 5 year old, caused by the thought that whatever he did not look at did not exist. :bigsmile:

edit: explained in the video for those who haven't watched it

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Mercedes]

I am numbed by all of this, Speechlees. They keep selling the idea that we really want-need to be one with a machine. And the thought of just being a program in a game is just as terrifing- astonishing, and so... does this matter anyway? If we are bits in a program, who is enjoying the game? What is the purpose? Just to be? We are aware, aren't we? So awareness can be programed also... I think, therefore I am? So, enjoy the ride cause this is only what we know or don't. Damn, this is hard to grasp! I have feelings, but it only means that it is also in the program, ha ha ha! They are sure pushing hard. Still I want to believe I am spirit and there is nothing that can change, manage or damage me.

[Noelle]

I am numbed by all of this, Speechlees. They keep selling the idea that we really want-need to be one with a machine. And the thought of just being a program in a game is just as terrifing- astonishing, and so... does this matter anyway? If we are bits in a program, who is enjoying the game? What is the purpose? Just to be? We are aware, aren't we? So awareness can be programed also... I think, therefore I am? So, enjoy the ride cause this is only what we know or don't. Damn, this is hard to grasp! I have feelings, but it only means that it is also in the program, ha ha ha! They are sure pushing hard. Still I want to believe I am spirit and there is nothing that can change, manage or damage me.

Simulated, programmed and virtual reality theories abound, so there are many ways to think about it. If we are in a simulation, it does not necessarily mean that our consciousness emerged in the program. Some theorists, including Tom Campbell, try to explain it terms of how we play video games. For instance, in a video game, we take on avatars; it's not the real us. The real us is outside of the game reality; it is playing the game. It does mean we are in a video game as we now understand those games to be. It could be something far more evolved or sophisticated.

Here is an article that discusses a few simulated theories that have received attention: Who Is God? (https://blog.theuniversesolved.com/2015/03/25/who-is-god/), published on The Universe-Solved blog.

[thunder24]

Evidence Of Our World's Virtuality?

3CyN8rYdX6g

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Mr. Dick in '77. FAst forward to one minute ten seconds...

[Noelle]

I was not sure where to post this video because it covers different topics, such as sci-fi writer Philip K. Dick and retrocausality. But its underlying theme is how Dick interpreted the universe, which is as a computer simulated reality.

An interesting point the presenter makes relates to Anthony Peake, who wrote a book on Philip K. Dick, called "A Life of Philip K. Dick: The Man Who Remembered the Future," published in 2013. The video points out that Dick may have predicted (or perhaps it's an instance of retrocausaility) Peake in his short story "Your Appointment Will Be Yesterday." The story's plot involves "reverse time" (most of what humans do in the story is in reverse) and stars a character by the name of Anarch Peak.

The video also covers a passage or two from Dick's How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later (http://yin.arts.uci.edu/~studio/readings/dick/index.html). If you have not read it, it's a very short and interesting read.

The video runs approx. 25 mins.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbW6ZOmoFgY

[Rich]

It seems science is catching up to what spiritual teachings have been saying all along.
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[ExomatrixTV]

I am numbed by all of this, Speechlees. They keep selling the idea that we really want-need to be one with a machine. And the thought of just being a program in a game is just as terrifing- astonishing, and so... does this matter anyway? If we are bits in a program, who is enjoying the game? What is the purpose? Just to be? We are aware, aren't we? So awareness can be programed also... I think, therefore I am? So, enjoy the ride cause this is only what we know or don't. Damn, this is hard to grasp! I have feelings, but it only means that it is also in the program, ha ha ha! They are sure pushing hard. Still I want to believe I am spirit and there is nothing that can change, manage or damage me.

Maybe we all are tested by Aliens before we are allowed to see them in the "real world" ;) if that is the case we STILL have a Soul connected to Source Energy beyond "The Program"?

[Mercedes]

I am numbed by all of this, Speechlees. They keep selling the idea that we really want-need to be one with a machine. And the thought of just being a program in a game is just as terrifing- astonishing, and so... does this matter anyway? If we are bits in a program, who is enjoying the game? What is the purpose? Just to be? We are aware, aren't we? So awareness can be programed also... I think, therefore I am? So, enjoy the ride cause this is only what we know or don't. Damn, this is hard to grasp! I have feelings, but it only means that it is also in the program, ha ha ha! They are sure pushing hard. Still I want to believe I am spirit and there is nothing that can change, manage or damage me.



Maybe we all are tested by Aliens before we are allowed to see them in the "real world" ;) if that is the case we STILL have a Soul connected to Source Energy beyond "The Program"?

I would like to think so. And no, I do not want to see any of them. I don't think it would be of any service to anyone that I did. Ha ha, hell no! Spare me the "nice" experience. He he.

[Matthew]

Here is a long video (1h 50m) of Anthony Peake talking about consciousness, time, déjà vu, déjà vécu (already lived), dreams, precognition, near death experiences and the holographic nature of reality. MHO the click-bait title of the video does not do it credit. I found this video and Anthony Peake fascinating. Anthony covers a variety of subjects in this talk and along the way draws comparisons between the holographic nature of reality and Saṃsāra. I hope this thread is the right home for it ;)

YouTube - Anthony Peake - Astounding Life After Death Discoveries That May Surprise You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOVu0xMuTSo)



Astounding Life After Death Discoveries That May Surprise You [FULL VIDEO]
Truly groundbreaking discoveries on what happens when we die, Some of the amazing scientific discoveries that are outlined, and how they relate to subjects such as telepathy, deja vu and NDE.will expand your awareness and help you think outside of the box, this video is a definite must watch. The argument that we cheat death and keep coming back through what philosophers have dubbed; 'eternal recurrence', is persuasive! And its backed up using the latest scientific research from across the board.

Consciousness researcher Anthony Peake asks whether there can ever be a scientifically satisfactory explanation as to what may happen to human consciousness at the point of death? Anthony believes there can. Using the latest evidence from the fields of quantum physics, neurology, consciousness studies and psychology, he proposes an intriguing and totally original theory.
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[findingneo]

Peake's basic principals are still flawed due to his staunch dogmatic approach to the working of the human brain. He does not recognize the human spirit and sees past life memories as simply tapping in to alternative dimensions that are happening to our alternate selves in another universe. He is wrong. And although he sees himself as a bit fringe, he is still, in my opinion, very much caught up in the mainstream mental health mentality matrix. He is wrong as well about Deja vu. I have personal experiences that negate his premature authoritarian stance. I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

Anyway, I started to consider the virtual matrix thing when I did high school Biology. Remember when you had to look at what an Atom was made of and at it's core it was just vibrating energy? That was when I realized we were more or less virtual. Made solid simply by our perception of the frequency of our vibration. And the Quantum theory that something only existed when we observe it.

Then, while doing a past life regression on a friend, their "Guide" that they had wanted to contact, began to talk through my friend. I asked it if we were in a game, a virtual reality. It said we were not a game and we were real. I knew it was lying. I felt it was not who it said it was and was part of the NEO type Matrix, or one of those at the controls rather like in the Hunger Games.

[Rich]

The spiritual, religious and scientific are all belief systems, basically we could say it is all science or it is all religion.
Science says it is based on measurable, concrete proof, but the basic assumptions behind scientific experiments must be questioned too.

If the assumption that 'consciousness is property of the body' isn't questioned then the theory, that we might be trapped inside a machine makes logical sense.
If the assumption is false the conclusion will be false also.



noun: science

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
"the world of science and technology"
synonyms: branch of knowledge, body of knowledge/information, area of study, discipline, field
"the science of criminology"
a particular area of this.
plural noun: sciences
"veterinary science"
a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.

[findingneo]

If you don't have memories of past lives, you don't remember yesterday and tomorrow. It will seem like a belief system.

[WhiteLove]

[EDIT: I was not happy with my initial post on this topic, so I have re-written it...]

Currently my perspective is that we are not living in a computer simulated universe because I believe that creation is infinite and infinitely intelligent, in such a depth of intelligence you don't need any form of technical solution, device or similar to narrow down/shrink its total creation capacity.

The concept of a computer or anything similar quickly breaks down and dissolves.

Instead, I believe each one of us is a spirit with an absolute love vibration that God has attached to a matching reality.

In that reality we are subject to seeds of God.

Out of this process of being subject to seeds of God, our subjectivity is formed and leads to co-creation.

God plants seeds of love out of infinite unconditional absolute love. This process is infinitely intelligent.

As spiritual beings we are able to explore and discover various subjectivities. In this process we can begin to become aware that the fabric of creation is love and we can begin to witness the influence of love on what we experience.

In the process of witnessing the power of love, we learn love and become more and more love aware.

We begin to also understand the gifts of love and how to let ourselves be subjected by them.

This is a frequency altering process in which the absolute love frequency of our spirit is tuned. In this frequency alignment process there is some amount of absolute love released back to God.

This forms intelligent threads of love between the being and God. God can seed all of these threads with exactly what is needed for the combination to be perfect.

In this process of shaping the subjectivity by what we are subjected by, we can begin to understand the correlations that exist between our choices and the corresponding life path.

Hence, the spiritual journey is kind of like being on a highway on which one can decide on which lane to drive.

I think the highway is probably pre-selected before embarking on a new life, but the lanes we choose might not be.

It is important to understand the difference between having been subjected by something/someone and not. That is an opportunity of appreciation.

It is also very important to understand that the seeds in your reality are there for you, unconditionally. The seeds of God in your reality are miracles of love. Find ways of making these seeds of love more permanent in your life and understand the miracle of being able to.

On the journey of spiritually reaching higher and higher levels of absolute love, we can reach subjectivity completion together with our soulmate to release that particular subjectivity we co-created.

From a human perspective it is our highest dream come true, but from the greater perspective it holds too much limitation, the spirit that has formed from the two of you is now ready to move into a higher realm of existence where a less limited subjectivity is able to form.

[ExomatrixTV]

~I found that video very intimidating to say the least ... why? ... because I can grasp AND comprehend what they try to explain to us ... mind-blowing! .... VERY WORRISOME! :/

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99565-Evidence-Of-Our-World-s-Virtuality

[Daozen]

My vote is that we are.We already have the tech to create quasi-believable universes with VR. How long before we can create totally believable worlds? 30 years max before it becomes public domain? Could be much sooner. They probably already have this tech in the secret world.

15-20 years ago The Matrix was a cool sci-fi flick. Now simulacrum theory is close to mainstream. Slightly off-topic, but what will we be saying about Jupiter Ascending in 20 years?

The fake interior shots of the ISS (green screens + hairspray) are the nearest smoking gun evidence we have of a stage managed environment.

From personal experience I have had several 'strangers' approach me and tell me that my name is X in the other world, and my job is Y. Their accounts were consistent. I still cannot get over that, even 8 years later. I'm not claiming this dual-life is unique to myself. Most everyone is experiencing it.

[WhiteLove]

I am consolidating my comments into an update of my initial post...

[WhiteLove]

I am consolidating my comments into an update of my initial post...

[Clear Light]

Ah, no, I agree with you WhiteLove that we are *not* somehow 'within' any kind of a 'simulation program' and the reason for my continuing interest in Buddhism / Dzogchen is because it gets at the 'nature of reality' which to me means the nature of Consciousness itself ... but in any case, where's the Evidence to suggest that we are all merely "Programmed Puppets" ?

Nonetheless I suppose the 'challenge' (if you will) is to Face head-on one's apparent Conditioning (a form of societal / cultural programming) to break-through to the un-conditioned eh ? ;)

Perhaps "Truth is Stranger than Fiction" after all eh ? :bigsmile:

[enigma3]

We are. Every person who has awakened sees the unreality of life in a body. Like living in a dream. That understanding comes right after it is seen that there is no "I", no individual I me mine. That in and of itself is proof positive that we are living in a matrix.

[Rich]

If you don't have memories of past lives, you don't remember yesterday and tomorrow. It will seem like a belief system.
Are you saying yesterday and tomorrow is the same as past life?
What if you go back a million years? Or a billion years?

[Bill Ryan]

If you don't have memories of past lives, you don't remember yesterday and tomorrow. It will seem like a belief system.

Remembering Tomorrow sounds like a great movie title. :)

[Hervé]

Yep!

It's called "Déjà vu" where one recalls a yesterday when one dreamt of a tomorrow...that's happening right here and now... hah! Pretzel time lines :)

[sunwings]

Matt Damon (who has appeared already on this thread) is in a new movie coming out this Christmas.

The Plot

When scientists discover how to shrink humans to five inches tall as a solution to overpopulation, Paul (Matt Damon) and his wife Audrey (Kristen Wiig) decide to abandon their stressed lives in order to get small and move to a new downsized community — a choice that triggers life-changing adventures.

However it really is just another play on humans leaving their physical bodies to enter a simulation of sorts. Looks intriguing.

Would anyone here be tempted to downsize?

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[findingneo]

Quote Posted by findingneo (here)
"If you don't have memories of past lives, you don't remember yesterday and tomorrow. It will seem like a belief system"

Quote Posted by EmEx (here),re above post.
Are you saying yesterday and tomorrow is the same as past life?
What if you go back a million years? Or a billion years?

What I mean by that EmEx is that if all your human lives equaled a day in the existence of your soul, if you don't remember yesterday, or last week or 10,000 days ago, and that you existed as a different avatar, in a different time, a different sex, a different place, perhaps a different planet or way of existing, then past lives, the soul as a separate consciousness even when the avatar has expired, the concept of Source, karma, and other things, might seem like a spiritual belief system.

For instance, prior to even considering there are ET's, or ED's, in fact I thought folk who entertained that concept were loopy, I had a past life regression during my regression training. The concept of ET's had not arisen. I thought I was failing because I could not go into a past life. Instead I was hanging upside down by by my fingernails to the top of the door frame I was supposed to go through, and into a past life in my mind. My feet were pointing up to the sky and I was being pulled up by a sort of reverse gravity. It was very embarrassing. Eventually, I was just told to let go of the door frame, I went rapidly up and then I just found myself inside a cloud of color. Movement from one place to another was instant if I wanted. Or it seemed that way. It was a nebula I was now in. From there I was just consciousness zooming about, wandering through space. I was free to do as I wished. Not a care as far as I could feel. Adventure, zipping here and there. Reminded me of sorts like a holiday but without being encumbered with a body and without having to book in anywhere, eat, catch transport, etc. No one could see me and it was a lot of fun.

Anyway, I remember zooming through space, seeing a wormhole. It was lit up in the dark like a grid would be, like on graph paper. Imagine the lines were lighter and where they intersected there were spots of light like a runway. Then I saw a pyramid on a planet or whatever it was. It was pitch black but I could see a pyramid lit up, again like a grid. Just one pyramid, nothing else could be seen in the blackness. It was a glass like structure and it was if it had panels. I could see lighter lines where the panels were joined and lights again at the intersections of panels, such as at the corners. I could see 3 sides to this pyramid so I knew it had to have 5 or 6 sided. I felt it was operational and in use.

Anyway, I continued on to earth. Zoomed over the water like in a flying dream. It was exhilarating. Others like me joined me for a little, zooming across the ocean surface which was calm. At the edge of the sea, I zoomed straight into a crab. Interesting, but moments later I was picked up by a human looking hand. I was slightly startled, and moved on and out of the crab. I was zooming through a rainforest where I saw a modern looking blonde woman with shoulder length hair, sitting and meditating. I was going through this vast rainforest when suddenly I had intense pain in me, particlarly my heart area and chest, which jolted me right out of the session. The love from the plants was so intense and painful, I could not take it and it hurt. It was overwhelming. I burst out crying because I could feel the intensity. It was amazing.

Anyway, that experience made me look at the existence of ET's, which at that stage I thought I was. I have since heard and read snippets of pyramids in other places off of earth, more than the 4 sided pyramids, etc. So not sure how far back that was, but I think it was a good while.

And my last life, it seems I was a crew member or pilot being trained at a top secret base in Scotland. That was a deja vu experience where I met my husband in Scotland after an expedition in Africa, bought a house, looked around the local area and had a flashback as soon as I saw a grand house down an isolated sea loch. The flashback included feeling I was just walking back over the fields from a mission in WW2, having been dropped off by a sub in a nearby cove, back to digs. Many years later and with the coming of the internet, I found that grand house was used as digs, and a house a few miles down the road in that dead end sea loch (the house of which was demolished a good while before), was used for top secret x-craft pilot and crew training. It is now used to park Trident subs. Obviously I was a male in that life.

BTW it has given me no insight as to how males are so different from females. I don't remember what it was like to be male.

In this life, I could not be less interested in submarines, I hate tight spaces, but could cope with tight places with discipline. I was an excellent navigator in wilderness when I was younger, and loved army type activities in the wilderness when I was younger, but I do not have the temperament or confidence as a leader, so would have made good support to leadership.

I can't stand to be tethered, need my space, love deeply, and lots of other stuff that my past life memories makes sense of. There are other past lives I remember and they all add up to who I am in this life. Remembering my yesterdays means I don't put my current life down to just the electrical impulses in my brain that will cease to be when my body expires, nor does it mean I am limited to a religious belief system. I simply remember some of which I am, and I remember role reversals and repeating themes, some of which I can change some not. It boils down to what I choose to do with what happens. Understanding (some of) what has already happened, helps with some of the decisions and way of looking at things now.

Tomorrows can be peeked into and adjusted, if that is what you want to do, having gained a bit of understanding of how the past operates. I have not gone there yet (except one wee peek. Very general). There are a number of ways.

So my memories helps me make sense of this life, but with less blinkers.

[findingneo]

Go down to the bottom of the food chain Sunwings? No thank you. I doubt anyone will be paying for all the animals and bugs to be shrunk.
I saw a chicken running off with a mouse the other day that it may have killed. I would not want to be that mouse.
Good way to control the population if you are much bigger, so again, no thanks.
Natural disasters would be magnified as it were, etc, etc.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This is all just a meme of the trans-humanist plot to install technology as the new messiah and create a new nightmare reality for the coming century. I cannot express how dangerous and grossly warped this movement is.

And it's not a theory. A theory requires solid argument and sound data. This is just pure BS. It has no merit whatsoever. It is a hideous lie, possibly designed to draw humanity into an age of technology, where machine is king, where AI, cryogenics/immortality, simulated realities and cybernetics is the true God and the one and only goal of human evolution. This is a dark alley that leads nowhere. This is the dead space were civilizations end, not begin to thrive, no matter how they dress it up.

Haven't people seen enough evidence over the years and decades (and centuries) to convince them yet that the governments they install only oppress us, rob us, and lie to us; the militaries they fund only kill, persecute, and keep us at bay (living in fear), and the churches they attend are just negative-programming centres? And then there's the hidden deep state pulling all the strings behind the scenes. It's all part of the plan. Don't people get it yet that the over all agenda is absolute control, absolute obedience, and the absolute ignorance of us, the masses.

It seems what they want to do is have us merge both mind and body with technology. We're almost there. Walk down any urban street and you'll see a hundred zombies, heads down, staring at their phones. This is the beginning. If given the chance to merge completely, biology with technology, I expect many will jump at it. Don't you get it yet!? Simulated reality theory is the groundwork, the GENESIS chapter one verse one, of the new dark reality to come. (and no I'm not a bible thumper, it's just a metaphor).

Look inside your heart, where truth abounds. Then take a look outside the window, at the trees, the birds, the sky, the Creation of all-that-is... and then try to convince yourself this is just a mock-up, an imitation, a fake reality running on some giant fake machine. If you manage to convince (deceive) yourself that All THIS really is just a simulation, then they have achieved their ultimate goal to make you forget and reject the most important thing of all. Your human Spirit.

[triquetra]

Star Mariner and WhiteLove both make excellent points on this page. It seems at face value we are tending towards a kind of artificial pursuit, where "great" bounds forward in technological progress come at the expense of our environment. It takes only a small step of logic further to see that what we would end up with is an environment where only technology could thrive because of how much less hospitable it would be for organic life.

Similarly we see a trend in those ultra technological types to set aside all forms of traditional spirituality, making the technology itself the "spirituality" of the day, and people hopelessly enraveled in that interpretation of reality wear their conditioning on their sleeves... they can seem cold and devoid of the very spiritual element of humanity that gives life its spark.

On the larger scale of all this however, it is important to try and entertain the idea that this is not at all necessarily an either/or kind of situation, no matter how much we are encouraged to think about such things in a binary way. The vastness of reality is rather quite big enough to handle trees of universes within which can exist both simulated and natural realities, both side by side, and within one another.

Civilizations can die off just after they give "birth" to artificial intelligences, that are then powerful and resourceful enough to create entire "organic" realities within them. At the same time, all of this can be contained within a metaverse that originates from the prime creator, which can be argued must be natural and spiritual in nature, as an artificial outermost layer would be impossible as artificial by definition is something that is created via artificial means rather than natural (a bit of a chicken and egg argument in a way, where "artificial" is the egg).

At the end of the day, artificial and natural can most definitely intertwine to a large extent within any reality, and sure enough there will be telltale signs of both all along the spectrum if you know to look for them.

It might get one further to look at the "why", entertaining ideas before determining an absolute yes/no stance to take, this flexibility does a researcher well as long as they keep their wits and common sense about them.

Why would there be an artificial simulation contained within a larger organic/spiritual container (and so on, and so forth). What gives rise to that particular simulation sub-layer?

Similarly when we reconnect with past lives or future version of ourselves, we can get further by asking "why" rather than being adamant about determining whether it's real or a fiction of imagination. If it's real, there ought to be something useful about it, the "why" question should be able to get some kind of an answer.

Clues are provided for the diligent researcher, learning what they had been going about beginning in previous lives where more work was needed to be done in this one, or why we might send ourselves back critical information from the future when needed.

What's most interesting about this particular conversation, is that it is something we will definitely be able to come back to in a few decades more time, for those of us still around. It is hard to find anyone who's done their homework about simulation theory who does not also believe in the singularity, the point where it will be beyond all shadow of a doubt that we are at least in some sub-spectrum of a greater reality, within a simulation. But then we will simultaneously see a higher purpose behind it all, one that is not at all artificial in nature, and the ever-spiraling intertwining of both elements will become more evident, as well as the reason why this is so.

For those already seeing the higher purpose behind it all, there is no reason to wait. It is possible to act on that understanding immediately, to get involved so that we are each doing more to shape the direction that reality is taking heading into that time of the singularity. We will reach a point beforehand where we will have pretty well established our "trajectory" heading into it, and that will make a big difference as to what the outcome is.

Anyway, in conclusion, as usual, everyone is right. But they are right with regards to the "slices of the total reality" they are looking at. Reality as a whole can readily combine all of these viewpoints together and have them all be true. Anyone is invited to do the kind of remote viewing campaign that reveals all this directly to them in their own exploration - no trusting in the opinions of others needed whatsoever.

[Noelle]

At the end of the day, artificial and natural can most definitely intertwine to a large extent within any reality, and sure enough there will be telltale signs of both all along the spectrum if you know to look for them.

It's hard to argue against that, the intertwining of the artificial and natural. There are many examples of this, such as the use of augmented reality technology.

It might get one further to look at the "why", entertaining ideas before determining an absolute yes/no stance to take, this flexibility does a researcher well as long as they keep their wits and common sense about them.

YES! I totally agree. I think we entrap ourselves by buying too much into certain ideas or belief systems. I, for one, must remain open minded with a dash of skepticism. I don't want to be fooled again.

Anyway, in conclusion, as usual, everyone is right. But they are right with regards to the "slices of the total reality" they are looking at. Reality as a whole can readily combine all of these viewpoints together and have them all be true. Anyone is invited to do the kind of remote viewing campaign that reveals all this directly to them in their own exploration - no trusting in the opinions of others needed whatsoever.

A great closing to your post -- and I agree: There must be something right in all of our views/theories, or there is a way to look at the big picture to see how we are all right. That's what I am after. I want to zoom out as far as possible to understand it all.

[BlueMoon]

It is important to ask the right questions.


How much of our reality is simulated? Am I alone in the simulation or is this a multiplayer game? Are there multidimensional beings that are in this simulation at the same time, or are they just a part of the simulation?

If everything is simulated, then you're the only thing in this world that's real.

If this is a multiplayer game, then all the players (or some players only) are real.

Multidimensional beings could be just another lifeform similar to you that chose another role to play. Or was given another role to play. Or they could be completely made up.

Why make all of this up? Write a script so complex, long and tight so that humanity wouldn't ever see a glitch? What's the purpose? Create an enormous world with complex rules just so that some entities (ourselves) can play this game?

Hm. Maybe.

Our virtual realities are still far from this reality we're experiencing. We're completely immersed in it. We feel our body. We think with our minds. We have this character we're bound to since birth (or very young age) and our consciousness always comes back to it. After daydreaming, we remember where and who we are. After we wake up, we remember what day it is and what are we supposed to do today.
Is it possible to switch consciousness from your "natural body" into some kind of a game/simulation? I can be immersed in a movie and I can feel the character, but when my body needs food, watching the character in the movie eating food doesn't satisfy my needs.
But then again, maybe my soul/real body doesn't need much of anything in the time of my lifespan in this simulation.

I myself must be real. I think, therefore I am. What I perceive though, I cannot tell if it is real or not. Our senses deceive us. But similar to dreams, this is just one of the stages of consciousness. The dreams are real until you wake up. This world is real until we die.

Our own brain/subconscious influents dreams, and maybe some bigger mind influents our waking experience right now, in this world.

For sure, there must be something more real than what we sense, for our senses are very limited. I mean, there are infinitely small and infinitely big vibrations that can exist, and we only see/hear/feel a small part of the whole spectrum. You can't see UV light, and you sure can't sense electromagnetic waves vibrating at billions of hertz.

We're in a simulation of our own minds. Our own minds simulate/project the world for us, based on the signals we receive. It's not real. It's just a presentation of reality.

And whether this reality is simulated or not, I don't know. But I don't think it is. Nothing within me resonates with the idea of a computer simulation, made for humanity/myself only.

I wasn't thinking about this topic a lot, because like I said, it doesn't really resonate with me. But I like "asking the right question" and going down the philosophical rabbit hole.
So this is just what I came up with in this few minutes.


Who knows.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Good points all, but just to add: how do we define the word 'simulated' in "a simulated reality" in the first place? Without a clear definition to start out with, it's difficult to proceed.

My only disagreement to this theory of a simulated reality – relative to how we perceive the word simulated – is that it tends towards a sort of technological explanation. Such as some kind a gigantic extra-terrestrial super-computer being responsible, and we're all just bits of binary information swimming around in its circuits, effectively rats in a computer-generated maze. This is quite wrong.

But there is another kind of meaning to a simulated reality, in that this physical reality we perceive each day is not the ultimate reality, but a lower extension of it. We are spiritual beings, beings of consciousness that exist at multiple layers of awareness, each layer projecting into correspondingly multiple layers of reality, (this present incarnation being just one). This physical reality we find ourselves in on the Earth plane is a low, slow, and heavy aspect or manifestation of reality, a mere slice of the all-reality, or multiverse, that encompasses the whole.

When we die, we'll unite with a higher expression of ourselves in a much finer, purer reality than this. This is our natural spiritual condition. I think we all have a soul memory throw-back to that condition which we carry with us deep down, and whenever we are here in these physical incarnations on Earth, that memory triggers the realisation within us that says 'hey, something is wrong here. This does not feel like the complete reality...' We're right to trust that feeling, because it is not.

[Noelle]

Good points all, but just to add: how do we define the word 'simulated' in "a simulated reality" in the first place? Without a clear definition to start out with, it's difficult to proceed.

My only disagreement to this theory of a simulated reality – relative to how we perceive the word simulated – is that it tends towards a sort of technological explanation. Such as some kind a gigantic extra-terrestrial super-computer being responsible, and we're all just bits of binary information swimming around in its circuits, effectively rats in a computer-generated maze. This is quite wrong.

But there is another kind of meaning to a simulated reality, in that this physical reality we perceive each day is not the ultimate reality, but a lower extension of it. We are spiritual beings, beings of consciousness that exist at multiple layers of awareness, each layer projecting into correspondingly multiple layers of reality, (this present incarnation being just one). This physical reality we find ourselves in on the Earth plane is a low, slow, and heavy aspect or manifestation of reality, a mere slice of the all-reality, or multiverse, that encompasses the whole.

When we die, we'll unite with a higher expression of ourselves in a much finer, purer reality than this. This is our natural spiritual condition. I think we all have a soul memory throw-back to that condition which we carry with us deep down, and whenever we are here in these physical incarnations on Earth, that memory triggers the realisation within us that says 'hey, something is wrong here. This does not feel like the complete reality...' We're right to trust that feeling, because it is not.

Right. "Simulation" is one of many words with multiple meanings. It means something fake or something generated by a computer. The Gnostics, when describing Hal, may not have been referring to a computer simulation -- but then computer technology as we know it did not exist when their teachings emerged (though, I could be wrong about that :sun:)

About Hal, written by John Lash (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah07.htm):

The Lord Archon is called antimimon pneuma, "counterfeit spirit." (Apoc John III, 36:17. The term occurs several times in different texts.) The cosmos he produces is described by the Coptic term hal, "simulation." The vast planetary system of the Archons is a stereoma, a virtual reality projection in simulation of a higher dimensional pattern.

Typically, the Archontic framework of the planetary system has been depicted by "armillary bands" that surround the Earth. (Illustration from A. Cellarius, Harmonia Macrocosma, 1660.) Taken in many esoteric systems (Hermetics and Rosicrucianism) as the preeminent image of cosmic harmony, the model of the planetary spheres reflects a mindless imitation of divine design, not the living reality of the cosmos.

Yaldabaoth, the presumed all-mighty creator God, really creates nothing; instead, he copies from "archetypal" patterns in the Pleroma. The planetary stereoma of his making is like a plastic copy of an abalone shell. Only someone who does not know the reality of the abalone shell, and what living miracle of nature is required to produce it, would accept the plastic substitution. Here again, the cosmic-noetic parallel applies: Archons simulate in the cosmos at large, and they also simulate in the human mind. This is a key indication of their effect, a clue to their subtle intrusion tactics.

The main cosmological texts in the Nag Hamadi Library (NHL), On the Origin of the World, The Hypostasis of the Archons, and The Apocryphon of John, are consistent in describing how the solar system arises as an inorganic simulation of the living pattern of the eternal Aeons. Here is further insight into "the generation of error."

One might be excused (but just barely) for mistaking plastic for pearl, but it would be terrible ignorance indeed to be unaware that it takes an entire ocean and a living, symbiotic biosphere to produce a pearl. Yet such is the ignorance of the Archons that they cannot comprehend the living miracle of divine order, rooted in the Pleroma, even when they are imitating it.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for these interesting passages LadyM, I've read a little Gnostic material before, and stuff on the Archons (there's plenty across the forums), but I have a hard time with it. The principles of this "hal" or virtual reality simulation could simply be a rough description of this lower expression of Earth, this 'material realm' we find ourselves in. From that point of view it's kind of correct, because the physical framework of this reality is purely counterfeit by comparison to Spirit - the ultimate reality. But again we come back to that tricky word 'simulation'.

This Universe is only one realm, one wavelength of Creation. We cannot at present see or really detect the numerous, perhaps infinite others. If this Earth, this cosmos, was built and designed by an intelligence far beyond our own, I believe it was by Spirit at or near the God-level of awareness. But that doesn't fit in with what these Archons are supposed to be, and I continue to struggle with how exactly they, when taken literally, fit in.

[triquetra]

More excellent points by everyone. On the topic of "what is real" and "what is virtual" - it may be interesting to consider the possibility that these things do not, and in fact, cannot, exist in absolute terms - only in relative terms.

In other words, our perceived "reality" is real relative to the virtual worlds we create.

By the same token, if you have a look "up there" or "out there", for example by extended remote viewing protocol, it is possible to confirm with a high degree of confidence that our reality is virtual relative to another much more "real" reality above/outside of our own.

This is poignantly symbolized in the movie Avalon (2001) that I think anyone should really watch a few times over to really get the symbolism. It is much deeper than it appears to be at first.

The Troika remote viewers led an interesting mini-campaign on this subject and I had to have a look for myself. It is ongoing as part of a much larger campaign related to recovery of information needed to construct specific technological items. But it is good to have a grasp on the context. What is really going on around us.

Star Mariner is spot on about the nature of our simulation being much more accurately oriented towards a natural extension of our smaller perceived reality (the universe) into a much broader one. This is something that we can all tap into and is a good answer to the question of how it is possible to remote view outside of the simulation (as a general rule, it is *always* possible to do this, no illusory simulation is so perfect that it cannot be perceived, only imagined, other than *the base one created by Prime Creator*!)

Also, on the point of the Gnostics, they really represented the culmination of the thread of esoteric knowledge which more of less died with them when the church was taken over for alternative purposes around early centuries A.D. They understood, how the demiurges could weave on a much more limited level another sub-layer of illusory "virtual reality" that we would get completely caught up in in the centuries to follow. This is of course why their scriptures were left out.

Anyhow the point here is that you don't want spiritual ascension on your factory farm floor so it is good to keep those treadmills running, making people feel they are making progress without actually ever getting anywhere.

This is all starting to finally fall apart which is what is going to make things in the next while especially interesting.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Anyhow the point here is that you don't want spiritual ascension on your factory farm floor so it is good to keep those treadmills running, making people feel they are making progress without actually ever getting anywhere.

Absolutely. It's about keeping us contained, subdued and preoccupied in the daily struggles of life. Most don't have time for the greater, spiritual reality, because they're too busy trying to survive the physical one.

And because they have no comprehension of that greater, spiritual reality their hypotheses for reality - as we see here - tends to adhere to physical parameters with physical restrictions (they are perceiving nothing beyond that). Case in point, the theory of an alien super-computer to describe and explain the Universe.

It's rather tragic (and a little bit hilarious), when you consider that nature-worshipping, pre-Abrahamic stone-age Man, 8,000+ years ago, had a better grasp of the actual reality than these so-called cutting edge thinkers (and theologians) today.

This is how warped this world has become.

[Rich]

Objective Reality vs Consciousness


An excerpt from a site called Objectivism101.com, while I don't personally believe in objective reality I think this is well written and food for thought:

The phrase "objective reality" means that reality exists independent of our minds. The description "objective" doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, but it does in comparison to the competing theory of the relationship between consciousness and existence.

The Primacy of Consciousness is the view, which Objectivism rejects, that reality is a product of consciousness. In this view, the world is a product of our minds, or the mind of some other being (god). It doesn't exist in itself. It exists as a "figment of your imagination". Like a concept or a memory, reality is said to exist as only a part of your mind. That means that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you.

The Primacy of Existence, which is the Objectivist view, states that reality exists independent of our minds. If we want something to happen, we can't just wish it to happen. We have to act. If we want to gain knowledge about the world, we have to look out at the world and reason with what we see. If your mind were to stop functioning as in death, reality would stay the same. This is where the adjective "objective" comes into play in "objective reality". It means that reality is not just a part of our minds, but exists as some outside fact that we can reference.

[triquetra]

Again, to this I would say, have we not seen evidence that both might be simultaneously true? Can a reality, be it virtual or real, be so intricate that it actually "crossfades" between objectivist and subjectivist modes depending on cetain factors?

It seems impossible at first, but it is worth imagining, if only as an exercise, how it might be true. What is the mechanism that causes reality to "invert itself inside out" so to speak? Does such a thing seem not dissimilar to things we know have a similar capability, if only symbolically, like a moebius strip or a kleine bottle?

In the deepest of meditations, or the furthest reaches that can be explored while remote viewing, the vastness of meta-reality really opens up, and we begin to doubt any of the more limited models applied to it, particularly those based on opposites or dualities. If reality is what we can perceive in a prolonged moment of contemplation, then meta-reality is always the superset of that reality from where it was created. When it becomes evident that this relationship extends itself again and again along the 5th dimension, it becomes clear that meta-reality can be all sorts of things all at the same time.

[Noelle]

Again, to this I would say, have we not seen evidence that both might be simultaneously true? Can a reality, be it virtual or real, be so intricate that it actually "crossfades" between objectivist and subjectivist modes depending on cetain factors?

It seems impossible at first, but it is worth imagining, if only as an exercise, how it might be true. What is the mechanism that causes reality to "invert itself inside out" so to speak? Does such a thing seem not dissimilar to things we know have a similar capability, if only symbolically, like a moebius strip or a kleine bottle?

In the deepest of meditations, or the furthest reaches that can be explored while remote viewing, the vastness of meta-reality really opens up, and we begin to doubt any of the more limited models applied to it, particularly those based on opposites or dualities. If reality is what we can perceive in a prolonged moment of contemplation, then meta-reality is always the superset of that reality from where it was created. When it becomes evident that this relationship extends itself again and again along the 5th dimension, it becomes clear that meta-reality can be all sorts of things all at the same time.

Yes, it is worth imagining.

Has anyone here read any books by Mike Hockney? I don't know who he is, but he has written a lot of books on Illuminism. I started reading excerpts from his God Series (https://archive.org/details/pdfy-OECXqougwT8i19GH) during the summer. He talks about how in Illumination there is only one single reality, yet it manifests in two ways: physical and mental. The two aspects are linked to each other and interact with each other as part of the single reality. But he also says, "The physical world is the start of the journey, the mental is the end."

He writes: "The physical aspect of the universe provides the platform for the mental aspect to express itself as fully as possible. ... The ultimate manifestation of the mental universe is the supreme consciousness: God. The universe is going on an extraordinary journey from an apparently blind, mechanical, unconscious physical nature to completely purposeful, intelligent self-awareness. The law of becoming dictates that the physical aspect of reality gradually surrenders to the mental."

We might imagine how this is possible along with how the inversion of what he says is possible.

[Foxie Loxie]

When trying to figure things out, I always throw in....."How do the ET's fit into the picture?":confused: It seems we have thought TOO long that we are the "epitomy" of Creation.

[Noelle]

When trying to figure things out, I always throw in....."How do the ET's fit into the picture?":confused: It seems we have thought TOO long that we are the "epitomy" of Creation.

I also keep that top of mind too, Foxie Loxie. Many of the simulated reality discussions do include the ETs. One possibility that comes up in some is that the ETs are the simulators, perhaps with the ability to monitor and interact with those within the simulation.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I prefer the word manifestation to simulation. It seems to fit better for me, because I see everything as being vibrations of energy, many different types of energy fluctuating and manifesting in many different ways across a very broad spectrum. In this frequency of reality, energy is slowed down to such an extent that it becomes literally solid and stationary. We live in an almost slow-motion layer of reality, where energy forms are heavy and dense and time moves very slowly.

But we as spirits, packets of intelligent energy from a much higher frequency, project a slowed-down portion of ourselves into these physical bodies on this physical plane in order to have important experiences, to learn lessons in soul growth, and to advance awareness of ourselves and others, in a nutshell. The ETs fit in alongside us as other manifestations/evolutions of the same base energy - as other beings, who are people just like we are, simply coming from other places (planets/planes/dimensions).

[Noelle]

I prefer the word manifestation to simulation. It seems to fit better for me, because I see everything as being vibrations of energy, many different types of energy fluctuating and manifesting in many different ways across a very broad spectrum. In this frequency of reality, energy is slowed down to such an extent that it becomes literally solid and stationary. We live in an almost slow-motion layer of reality, where energy forms are heavy and dense and time moves very slowly.

But we as spirits, packets of intelligent energy from a much higher frequency, project a slowed-down portion of ourselves into these physical bodies on this physical plane in order to have important experiences, to learn lessons in soul growth, and to advance awareness of ourselves and others, in a nutshell. The ETs fit in alongside us as other manifestations/evolutions of the same base energy - as other beings, who are people just like we are, simply coming from other places (planets/planes/dimensions).

I like the word "manifestation" better too -- it has a much more positive ring to it, like this is an experience that we were not tricked into experiencing. But if it turns out we were tricked, or that, indeed, this is some sort of virtual reality constructed and manipulated by ETs or AI to feed off of our energy, I don't think "manifestation" would be a good word to describe it.

[Foxie Loxie]

Having just watched the video posted by Kindred on the DJ thread....it brought something back to mind that I had heard elsewhere. That the ET's had shown us a "film" of the Crucifixion. :attention: For me, because of my own personal experiences within a religious system & the observations I have made down through my life, this begs the question if not ALL religions might simply be a means of control for Whomever is playing this game. :confused:

PLEASE NOTE: I do not wish to take away from any form of "comfort" a person might receive from his or her own personal religion. It would seem that we do inhabit our own personal Belief System, whatever that might be. Mine has changed dramatically since I joined Avalon! :sherlock:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I like the word "manifestation" better too -- it has a much more positive ring to it, like this is an experience that we were not tricked into experiencing. But if it turns out we were tricked, or that, indeed, this is some sort of virtual reality constructed and manipulated by ETs or AI to feed off of our energy, I don't think "manifestation" would be a good word to describe it.

I don't believe we are tricked into coming here. To do so over and over again would make us look pretty dumb! It's mostly the wheel of karma that maintains the circle of reincarnation, that's my belief LadyM. If there are any tricks involved, it's our own egos tricking us into repeated patterns of behaviour that keep bringing us back. Have you read Michael Newton? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48849-Anybody-read-Michael-Newton-books) I think his first book was Journey of Souls, which describes in minute detail through deep level hypnosis, the paths we take and the experiences we have in the spirit world between lives. And most importantly, why we have to come here. The late Dolores Canon was another amazing researcher in this field. I really do think either would help put your mind at rest.:sun:

Because there is nothing at all to worry about regarding simulations or extreme manipulation. I don't rule out interfering ETs somewhere in the equation, but there's a limit to what a negative influence can do. The principal level of evil and manipulation probably involved is that which exists on the Human level. The deep state, Mk-ultra, shadowy groups sitting in shadowy rooms, doing everything they possibly can to hold humanity down, keep humanity back, to deceive him, enslave him, terrorize him etc.


Having just watched the video posted by Kindred on the DJ thread....it brought something back to mind that I had heard elsewhere. That the ET's had shown us a "film" of the Crucifixion. :attention: For me, because of my own personal experiences within a religious system & the observations I have made down through my life, this begs the question if not ALL religions might simply be a means of control for Whomever is playing this game. :confused:


Oh yes I totally agree Foxie Loxie, it is ALL about control. That is not say that the original message was not pure, that Christ was exactly who he proclaimed himself to be.

What religion is now, is little different to what religion was millennia ago. Nothing has changed. Control, worship, and devotion (and generous donations please), is all that they want and need to keep the status quo.

Christ was born into the traditional Jewish faith, a highly efficient, highly profitable, and highly austere religious order. Order is the key word, because religion keeps order and dictates control over the masses. Christ challenged the status quo, and see what happened... But even later, when his message was spread by the disciples, Christianity never really become much of a faith - not the pure faith they wanted, because the early church could not allow such radical thinking. Yes we had the gospels, but they were carefully cherry-picked. The only way it would ever be allowed to take hold and spread was to blend it gently with already existing faiths and dogmas. Examples being Isis-Horus, which became the Virgin Mary and Child; and heaven and hell/resurrection/end of the world judgement etc, being drawn from Zoroastrianism, long predating Christianity. Or the Mithraic cult of ancient Rome, which morphed into Christmas. The list goes on. Many of the customs and beliefs that Christianity takes for granted and which define the religion had nothing to do with Christ or his teachings.

Christ's actual message was love, compassion, cooperation, forgiveness, and emancipation from the earthly bonds that tie us here - all those things that would actually set us free (from the wheel of karma). That was far too progressive for TPTB (meaning in those days churches, priesthoods, kings, emperors and pharaohs). A real Bible based purely on the loving messages of Christ only - leaving out all the other dross - would be no more than a pamphlet. Control could not be maintained with something so limiting. That's why all present day religions carry all the old doctrine and dogma. It's the conerstone of their control, it's been lugged through thousands of years of history, and now it is all too old-fashioned to be relevant anymore, not to mention contradictory in so many places.

Religion, just like TPTB, want humanity to feel small, inadequate, unworthy and most of all, mortal - when we are none of these things, in fact the opposite of all these things. This is 'the trick', if there is any. A trick - 2,000 years in the making - to keep us disempowered and spiritually unaware.

[Noelle]

Actually, my mind is fairly calm as I wade through the possibilities of what all this is. :cool: I'm just not convinced of anything yet. I am familiar with Newton and Cannon even more so. But there also is a fair amount of discussion on how virtually all of our experiences -- life, dream time, OBEs, in-between lifetimes, afterlife -- can be manipulated. Avalon member Omnisense often discusses in his posts and videos how black project technologies can create "synthetic" astral and dream experiences. I'm not crazy about that prospect, but I have to consider it, even when interpreting my own astral experiences.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This type of manipulation, yes, I see what you mean, it's pretty scary. Trying to unravel this stuff is nearly impossible, with so many pieces in a very large and complicated puzzle. And made even more so when you don't know what the picture is meant to look like, if your pieces are all the right pieces, even if you have all the pieces. I guess all we can do is look inside and settle on what we 'feel' is right, and do our best to go with that.

[Foxie Loxie]

Appreciate your thoughts, Star Mariner! Each of us has only our own personal experiences to go on in trying to figure out the Bigger Picture. I agree, we probably will never understand it!! But the ET's showing a film of the Crucifixion kind of points to the idea that they have been controlling things from the "beginning", or at least managing things to accomplish their own agenda...whatever THAT is! :der:

Linda M.H. has been trying to figure out from her own experiences & what she has learned what might possibly be going on. What I'm beginning to wonder is this....is commerce in "souls" the business of the Universe? Do we really have any "control" over our own destinies or are we just playing out a "role" that was planned for us by someone else?! I guess this is why people would rather feel "safe" within some sort of Belief System! :rapture:

[triquetra]

When trying to figure things out, I always throw in....."How do the ET's fit into the picture?":confused: It seems we have thought TOO long that we are the "epitomy" of Creation.

I also keep that top of mind too, Foxie Loxie. Many of the simulated reality discussions do include the ETs. One possibility that comes up in some is that the ETs are the simulators, perhaps with the ability to monitor and interact with those within the simulation.

They are but only on a fragile inner layer, hence the "demiurge" aspect attributed to them from the Gnostics. I wouldn't call that inner layer the "simulation" itself, but instead a reprogramming of the simulation from inside of the simulation. They are very much stuck inside as well. Much more stuck, in fact. Not really ready for alignment. Evidence that getting ready would be a good idea will be coming into the picture relatively soon, however. The path of the probable future is gravitating towards such circumstances becoming very likely.

Effectiveness of reprogramming of reality from within it depends on a lot of factors, and there are many approaches as well. There are elegant approaches and then more brute force approaches. Reprogramming via fear is definitely one of the more brute force techniques, and it has limited effectiveness.

Humanity has a shot via alignment technology to be quite effective at it, if we are able to call out the unfolding dystopian illusion around us for what it actually is and to create from an aligned heart in spite of it all. We can work around the damage we have been coaxed into doing.

[triquetra]

I prefer the word manifestation to simulation. It seems to fit better for me, because I see everything as being vibrations of energy, many different types of energy fluctuating and manifesting in many different ways across a very broad spectrum. In this frequency of reality, energy is slowed down to such an extent that it becomes literally solid and stationary. We live in an almost slow-motion layer of reality, where energy forms are heavy and dense and time moves very slowly.

But we as spirits, packets of intelligent energy from a much higher frequency, project a slowed-down portion of ourselves into these physical bodies on this physical plane in order to have important experiences, to learn lessons in soul growth, and to advance awareness of ourselves and others, in a nutshell. The ETs fit in alongside us as other manifestations/evolutions of the same base energy - as other beings, who are people just like we are, simply coming from other places (planets/planes/dimensions).

Yes this is for the most part the case. But additionally certain ETs have fabricated a mostly psychological simulation for us, within, as you say more accurately, a manifestation that was created for all of us, including them and other more benevolent ETs.

This simulation, which is to a large extent artificial but entwined with natural aspects, has taken an increasingly strong grip on the world. We are led to think in extremely dualistic ways about everything, in black and white, because duality can be programmed just as a binary computer can. You can create models for the simulation of how to concentrate power in one place and drain it from another, lead millions and then billions of people in a certain direction, all while having them think it is all their own doing.

If that's not a simulation, it's hard to say what is. Anyhow given that humanity is going to be finally waking up to all of it, and to a large degree already has (though few will speak openly about it), things are going to get interesting very quickly. The winds of change are picking up.

[triquetra]

I don't believe we are tricked into coming here. To do so over and over again would make us look pretty dumb! It's mostly the wheel of karma that maintains the circle of reincarnation, that's my belief LadyM. If there are any tricks involved, it's our own egos tricking us into repeated patterns of behaviour that keep bringing us back. Have you read Michael Newton? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48849-Anybody-read-Michael-Newton-books) I think his first book was Journey of Souls, which describes in minute detail through deep level hypnosis, the paths we take and the experiences we have in the spirit world between lives. And most importantly, why we have to come here. The late Dolores Canon was another amazing researcher in this field. I really do think either would help put your mind at rest.:sun:

Because there is nothing at all to worry about regarding simulations or extreme manipulation. I don't rule out interfering ETs somewhere in the equation, but there's a limit to what a negative influence can do. The principal level of evil and manipulation probably involved is that which exists on the Human level. The deep state, Mk-ultra, shadowy groups sitting in shadowy rooms, doing everything they possibly can to hold humanity down, keep humanity back, to deceive him, enslave him, terrorize him etc.

I think you'd be surprised, there are some very interesting bits of information along the timeline with regards to the interfacing between Human and non-Human elements involved in the direction our civilization has taken. There has been significant human corruption of course, but a large part of what has catalyzed everything has been fear. Humans have largely had a boot to their throat in the equation. Some have succumbed to other types of manipulation but those who would have made the most difference taking things in a better direction were generally targets for fear.

Injection of fear has been the main gear turning the cogs of the inner illusory shell of our "reality" and it has been quite effective. It is a shame it is still believed that it can go the distance, as there is no historical evidence that it will get the ones generating the fear what they really want in the end. There are better approaches along the path of alignment. Winning that debate is not exactly a walk in the park.

I agree that if you go far enough back, we were not tricked, but it's hard to say if all the information was there. If you can believe that reality can be a grayscale between natural and artificial, an argument could be made that over time, our "local reality" has been gravitating from natural towards artificial, via manipulation from within. At a larger scale, the effects of this are limited, but on a scale that makes sense to a planetary civilization, the impact is massive. It is everything we know. Sure to some degree our civilization "flourished" in a natural way, but it did in a very subtly guided manner, which alone injects a tremendous amount of artificial quality. If humanity had grown its own civilization without any outside manipulation the results would have been extremely different than where we are now.



[They] want humanity to feel small, inadequate, unworthy and most of all, mortal - when we are none of these things, in fact the opposite of all these things. This is 'the trick', if there is any. A trick - 2,000 years in the making - to keep us disempowered and spiritually unaware.

That's just one of many tendrils of the trick. It has to be pretty all-encompassing to be completely effective.

[Flash]

Triquetra, I think you are 100% right here, fear has been the guiding principle to skew our evolution as well as our planet's evolution. Earth itself is sensitive to fear. And yes, it is fear that has been used with those who were evolving into love. Mainly fear of survival at one level, fear of harm to our children at another level, and finally fear of God. Same for the planet. She is caught into fear.

In a down to earth manner, I am always surprised when Americans deem someone good God fearing person. God fearing, it is incrusted in each and every of our civilisations.

The inadequate, unworthy and mostly mortal feelings are a side trick ensuring the main ones remain in place.

One of the sign of spiritual evolution and of having pass the threshold of greater evolution is the last effort in going through unbeliveable fear and letting go. You will see this in most deep spiritual oriental writings.

Yet, those without emotions, without heart, usually do not fear, despite the fact that they are at the bottom of the evolution ladder (from a human point of view). And they are thrown again and again in the path of the faster evolving ones.

Emotions makes us fear, and also at the beginning makes us go through evolution towards greater evolving, to finally arrive at unemotional all encompassing love. Without any fear.




I don't believe we are tricked into coming here. To do so over and over again would make us look pretty dumb! It's mostly the wheel of karma that maintains the circle of reincarnation, that's my belief LadyM. If there are any tricks involved, it's our own egos tricking us into repeated patterns of behaviour that keep bringing us back. Have you read Michael Newton? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48849-Anybody-read-Michael-Newton-books) I think his first book was Journey of Souls, which describes in minute detail through deep level hypnosis, the paths we take and the experiences we have in the spirit world between lives. And most importantly, why we have to come here. The late Dolores Canon was another amazing researcher in this field. I really do think either would help put your mind at rest.:sun:

Because there is nothing at all to worry about regarding simulations or extreme manipulation. I don't rule out interfering ETs somewhere in the equation, but there's a limit to what a negative influence can do. The principal level of evil and manipulation probably involved is that which exists on the Human level. The deep state, Mk-ultra, shadowy groups sitting in shadowy rooms, doing everything they possibly can to hold humanity down, keep humanity back, to deceive him, enslave him, terrorize him etc.

I think you'd be surprised, there are some very interesting bits of information along the timeline with regards to the interfacing between Human and non-Human elements involved in the direction our civilization has taken. There has been significant human corruption of course, but a large part of what has catalyzed everything has been fear. Humans have largely had a boot to their throat in the equation. Some have succumbed to other types of manipulation but those who would have made the most difference taking things in a better direction were generally targets for fear.

Injection of fear has been the main gear turning the cogs of the inner illusory shell of our "reality" and it has been quite effective. It is a shame it is still believed that it can go the distance, as there is no historical evidence that it will get the ones generating the fear what they really want in the end. There are better approaches along the path of alignment. Winning that debate is not exactly a walk in the park.

I agree that if you go far enough back, we were not tricked, but it's hard to say if all the information was there. If you can believe that reality can be a grayscale between natural and artificial, an argument could be made that over time, our "local reality" has been gravitating from natural towards artificial, via manipulation from within. At a larger scale, the effects of this are limited, but on a scale that makes sense to a planetary civilization, the impact is massive. It is everything we know. Sure to some degree our civilization "flourished" in a natural way, but it did in a very subtly guided manner, which alone injects a tremendous amount of artificial quality. If humanity had grown its own civilization without any outside manipulation the results would have been extremely different than where we are now.



[They] want humanity to feel small, inadequate, unworthy and most of all, mortal - when we are none of these things, in fact the opposite of all these things. This is 'the trick', if there is any. A trick - 2,000 years in the making - to keep us disempowered and spiritually unaware.

That's just one of many tendrils of the trick. It has to be pretty all-encompassing to be completely effective.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

But the ET's showing a film of the Crucifixion kind of points to the idea that they have been controlling things from the "beginning", or at least managing things to accomplish their own agenda...whatever THAT is! :der:

At the very least, they have been watching things since the very beginning :) How much control they have is open to debate.


Do we really have any "control" over our own destinies or are we just playing out a "role" that was planned for us by someone else?!

In my view, we have Free Will. I think that's what really defines us. Even the dark side have free will - they choose that dark space to have those experiences. Yes, the control is strong, manipulation very high, in fact the game is totally rigged against us. But we still have free will within the system, to create our own destinies and make the very best of it that we can. You become the person you are based on the experiences you have, and the decisions you make.

[Rich]

Again, to this I would say, have we not seen evidence that both might be simultaneously true? Can a reality, be it virtual or real, be so intricate that it actually "crossfades" between objectivist and subjectivist modes depending on cetain factors?

The irony is that these objectivists who deny the reality of the mind do so with the mind.
And if there really was a reality separate from the mind how could we know of it, unless we thought of it?

[triquetra]

Again, to this I would say, have we not seen evidence that both might be simultaneously true? Can a reality, be it virtual or real, be so intricate that it actually "crossfades" between objectivist and subjectivist modes depending on cetain factors?

The irony is that these objectivists who deny the reality of the mind do so with the mind.
And if there really was a reality separate from the mind how could we know of it, unless we thought of it?

Thanks EmEx, your inference is indeed a part of the proof. One can generalize that all mistakes with regards to the nature of reality are most often categorizable as an oversimplification. This remains true into perpetuity because the nature of reality is continuously much more than you can possibly perceive it to be from your current vantage point. And yet, despite this, the fact that it always winds up remaining factorizable to relatively simple mathematical expressions, shines evidence on the sheer elegance of its design.

This is the design held in esteem as being the sole creation of Prime Creator (Recursive Root Creator). The rest can be extrapolated from it. There are so many immediate relevations that unfold immediately once the basic model is understood, revelations that bring a great peace to the psyche.

For one thing, people place so much attention on the control structure immediately above them, as a kind of all-that-is, devoting the majority of their focus towards that control structure (well, at least in alternative communities such as these). What people tend to forget, is that these structures must almost certainly repeat themselves over and over again, the difference being whether each higher layer *chooses* to impose their advantaged vantage point in terms of control or assistance or neither or both.

Therefore, entities existing two layers apart can become allies if necessary (usually for the sake of the entity two layers below, in the case of the intervening layer applying their opportunity for control in too egregious a manner).

Suffice it to say that the layer where you could most accurately point to a simulation actually being run from (rather than an attempted reprogramming of a simulation from within it), and more importantly, the entities existing "outside" of that outermost scope of the simulation, are far and away the most beneficial allies to have when coming to terms with the possibility that your reality is simulated (even though you may be required to interact with unfriendly entities within the simulation in a very real way, regardless).

There also exists some degree of fear of the possible nature of AI being unfriendly but there are models within the study of civilization theory which indicate that malevolent AIs cannot be created ahead of more powerful and capable benevolent AIs, and so they always wind up being incapable of gaining an upper hand in the equation of emergent AI technology.

There are many similar theories which indicate that malevolent action, even when scaled across seemingly large spans of linear time (or injected to the timeline in a nonlinear manner), is never without consequence, this consequence is simply deferred longer and longer until the point when it becomes impossible to defer its arrival any longer (humans bear partial witness to extremely long deferral periods of other entities affecting their reality).

Counterbalancing this is the observation that entities generally do not engage in patterns of behavior without some kind of reasoning commensurate with their level of intelligence, which is at the time deemed either acceptable or perhaps necessary for reasons that shape the boundaries of their patterns of thinking.

Therefore we witness the unfolding of large extrapolations of reasoning that is a matter of real limitations in modality of thought on behalf of relatively powerful entities, and the trickle down effect it has on other entities who exist within the influential scope of these plans which are sometimes ultimately discovered to be flawed.

As a final conclusion, considering all this, we realize that campaigns must be waged on the basis of negotiating an increase in the scope of consideration when forming reasoning behind the execution of plans which reshape the basis of reality for a large number of other entities whose lives would otherwise be very different. In other words, an appeal to the evolution of entities who may have decided at some point to take their own evolution into their own hands, to evolve on their own terms.

Such a decision can be the most difficult to prove to be flawed to those who have decided it. It is not enough to make a basic argument. The only way tends to be showing symbolically the outcomes across the entire fork of the probability tree within the complete probability matrix for that highly divergent decision point, and to compare it to outcomes resulting even from backstepping from the decision point a considerable amount of time after having originally made it.

It is important, when considering a topic such as the probability that a universe is simulated, to realize, that if it is, the probability that it is one of an extremely large amount of nearly identical simulations is extremely high.

The raw compute power required to simulate many universes as opposed to just one is negligible in the grander scheme of things, after all.

Trends are observed by running many simulations in parallel.

This information is sourced from outside of this simulation.

[Rich]

I don't see it as a simulation, at least not in the sense that you seem to think of it.
What my personal experience and belief points at, is that there are varying degrees of delusion, but it is still ourselves who have "created" this illusion.
And because we do not even know who we are, and do not dare look - out of fear, there is no certainty about the illusion we created,
thinking that it was some higher power separate from us that made it and even controls us with it.
The trouble starts when we think of ourselves as humans or some kind of body separate from our mind.
That somehow, a human is all that we are, and that the mind is property of that human body,
instead of the recognition that the concept of "human" could not even exist without our thinking.

[triquetra]

I don't see it as a simulation, at least not in the sense that you seem to think of it.
What my personal experience and belief points at, is that there are varying degrees of delusion, but it is still ourselves who have "created" this illusion.
And because we do not even know who we are, and do not dare look - out of fear, there is no certainty about the illusion we created,
thinking that it was some higher power separate from us that made it and even controls us with it.
The trouble starts when we think of ourselves as humans or some kind of body separate from our mind.
That somehow, a human is all that we are, and that the mind is property of that human body,
instead of the recognition that the concept of "human" could not even exist without our thinking.

Ah but we are in complete agreement. At least, after an RV campaign following up on the one led by Troika, the data agrees. There is an answer to the often heard saying "we all chose to be here at some point or another, at some level or another" or similar. Delusion and simulation are not so different, it is often simply a difference of degree of knowingness or forgetfulness.

What people will find shocking when all of this wave of information comes in full force, is the sheer repeatability of ourselves across these macro layers of reality. "Evil" can be done by causing lower layers of a self to forget their own higher layer.

Does it make sense? It is going to take time to go through all the data..

[Wind]

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[triquetra]

Great video Wind! In fact, the first part of the video's transcript would make an excellent narrative basis for the upcoming RV campaign report being prepared.

If people are willing to look at things from this perspective, they'll likely be curious to know more about the nature of our simulation, why certain things are permitted within it especially. There seems to be an unfairness cooked into this reality, mainly of high entropy / low vibration entities taking others down with them. There are functions at work here, counterbalancing forces that are a necessary part of the simulation. It is what we each must understand before entering this place. A reality where everything is safeguarded would not permit the eventual needed interactions that serve to fulfill the purpose of the simulation on a grander scheme.

So we see, we can set apart the work we must do on ourselves, from the work that is done within the simulation on this grander scheme, the scheme which relates to the many interactions between us, and also the interactions between human and non-human entities.

When watching a video like this, if we are aligned to the message, it is easy to wonder what kind of madness can possess an entity to be witness to such simple, well expressed arguments as the one Tom presents, and nevertheless to continue in the same high entropy ways. There are entities that are truly struggling, as Tom would say. It is hard to believe that this struggle can take up such very large quantities of linear time, or to extend into higher dimensions of reality where the struggle can continue to express itself in ways that surpass even linear time itself.

Some messages were quite clear from the RV campaign targeting the basis of our virtual reality:

- We are meant to uncover this information at the right time
- Reality is meant to be reprogrammed from within it, but there would be considerable attempts to reprogram it from within in the wrong ways first - ways that would not ultimately work but could still have a significant effect on how reality plays out
- Staying the course, so to say, is a matter of guiding this attempt at reprogramming reality from within it to ways that actually work. When this inside-out reprogramming actually works, there will be clear signs it is working. Reality will unfold like a transdimensional puzzle. This reprogramming unlocks the additional dimensions without the same restrictions that otherwise become imposed on operating within those higher dimensions.
- The ultimate act of humility is in realizing that a younger entity, on average, will always surpass what we can accomplish by having a head start, no matter how big of a head start it is. They will be privy to an additional degree of insight that we were not afforded. The act of humility is realized in doing the most we can, in the work we do on ourselves, the difference we make in our lifetimes, and how well we hand things off to the younger entity or entities we connect with. This was never supposed to necessarily be limited to only humans. But in the same way humans start off by segregating based on their minor differences, so too do entities.
- As Tom also indicates, the optimization of alignment, or of low entropy, is key to putting ourselves in the natural state needed to accelerate our experiencing of the unfolding of this multidimensional puzzle beyond what we would otherwise be able to take in over a single lifetime. This acceleration can be quite significant depending on how well we do, but the tradeoff is that we may wind up alienating ourselves if we push to the point that it becomes more and more difficult to relate to others around us.
- This means it is just as important to seek out others who also aim to accelerate their progress and to help one another to build the accelerated community. The things this community can do together once organized are quite remarkable, alike opening portals.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by triquetra: " If people are willing to look at things from this perspective, they'll likely be curious to know more about the nature of our simulation"

This seems to be Tom’s main message on this segment. The only axiom here may be – with a state of consciousness comes the experience and with the experience comes the expansion. The man on the street who may be repressed into a living through the habitual of the conditioned sub-conscious to a large degree, is less likely to gain the experience to open a wide enough aperture to change their perceptions and state of being in an ordinary atmosphere.

What may come as a positive (and it’s dual brother, of course : ) is the world becoming less ordinary, and awareness (invoked as alert?) may kick in. Also, the state of unconsciousness have lived long enough in our midst, and it’s hidden impacting energy is not changing much right now, more likely just surface. What seems to amplify is the state of presence, awareness, neutrality, participatory observation that changes the collective electromagnetic field and allows the circle of awareness to expend and grow, expend and grow, until it’s ‘borders’ will not be known – the infinity. More reference to that was given by You triquetra, and the RV report is quite interesting.

[Noelle]

Great video Wind! In fact, the first part of the video's transcript would make an excellent narrative basis for the upcoming RV campaign report being prepared.

If people are willing to look at things from this perspective, they'll likely be curious to know more about the nature of our simulation, why certain things are permitted within it especially. There seems to be an unfairness cooked into this reality, mainly of high entropy / low vibration entities taking others down with them. There are functions at work here, counterbalancing forces that are a necessary part of the simulation. It is what we each must understand before entering this place. A reality where everything is safeguarded would not permit the eventual needed interactions that serve to fulfill the purpose of the simulation on a grander scheme.

So we see, we can set apart the work we must do on ourselves, from the work that is done within the simulation on this grander scheme, the scheme which relates to the many interactions between us, and also the interactions between human and non-human entities.

When watching a video like this, if we are aligned to the message, it is easy to wonder what kind of madness can possess an entity to be witness to such simple, well expressed arguments as the one Tom presents, and nevertheless to continue in the same high entropy ways. There are entities that are truly struggling, as Tom would say. It is hard to believe that this struggle can take up such very large quantities of linear time, or to extend into higher dimensions of reality where the struggle can continue to express itself in ways that surpass even linear time itself.

Some messages were quite clear from the RV campaign targeting the basis of our virtual reality:

- We are meant to uncover this information at the right time
- Reality is meant to be reprogrammed from within it, but there would be considerable attempts to reprogram it from within in the wrong ways first - ways that would not ultimately work but could still have a significant effect on how reality plays out
- Staying the course, so to say, is a matter of guiding this attempt at reprogramming reality from within it to ways that actually work. When this inside-out reprogramming actually works, there will be clear signs it is working. Reality will unfold like a transdimensional puzzle. This reprogramming unlocks the additional dimensions without the same restrictions that otherwise become imposed on operating within those higher dimensions.
- The ultimate act of humility is in realizing that a younger entity, on average, will always surpass what we can accomplish by having a head start, no matter how big of a head start it is. They will be privy to an additional degree of insight that we were not afforded. The act of humility is realized in doing the most we can, in the work we do on ourselves, the difference we make in our lifetimes, and how well we hand things off to the younger entity or entities we connect with. This was never supposed to necessarily be limited to only humans. But in the same way humans start off by segregating based on their minor differences, so too do entities.
- As Tom also indicates, the optimization of alignment, or of low entropy, is key to putting ourselves in the natural state needed to accelerate our experiencing of the unfolding of this multidimensional puzzle beyond what we would otherwise be able to take in over a single lifetime. This acceleration can be quite significant depending on how well we do, but the tradeoff is that we may wind up alienating ourselves if we push to the point that it becomes more and more difficult to relate to others around us.
- This means it is just as important to seek out others who also aim to accelerate their progress and to help one another to build the accelerated community. The things this community can do together once organized are quite remarkable, alike opening portals.

Have you released your RV findings yet? Did I miss it? :o

[triquetra]

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Have you released your RV findings yet? Did I miss it?

It's been in preparation for awhile now LadyM. There are other matters on the forward vector that are equally pressing. This RV campaign above all indicates that its own results were symbolic of a backward vector, backward from a point of inevitability looming ahead in time, concurrent with singularity.

The malleability of the outcome of the singularity was central to the data. This fed back into the urgency of the forward vector, the actions taken and words imparted to ensure that the best possible outcome continued to maintain current probability, or better yet, increased in probability.

So you can see the effect - being pulled in two (temporal) directions at once! At least the directions are pointing together and not apart! (towards the event horizon of the singularity, at which point the trajectory heading into the singularity would be all but guaranteed)

But it seems there will be time enough for things to play out as they ideally ought to after all. It is extremely odd getting used to experiencing an interpretation of reality that is not at all based on linear time even though all the while everyone around you is seemingly still experiencing it that way. But Limor Wolf's allusions suggest what may be next:


With a state of consciousness comes the experience and with the experience comes the expansion. The man on the street who may be repressed into a living through the habitual of the conditioned sub-conscious to a large degree, is less likely to gain the experience to open a wide enough aperture to change their perceptions and state of being in an ordinary atmosphere.

This is exactly it - there is something like a mathematical function expressing itself in a large way across global society that necessarily limits the experience of the man on the street until just before such a singularity. This function rises ever so slowly for the vast majority of "time" (the portion of our experience where we are actually capable of experiencing linear time). And then, around the event horizon, the structure of the function rapidly begins to change in synchronization with other triggers which cause the "kicking in" effect described next:



What may come as a positive (and it’s dual brother, of course : ) is the world becoming less ordinary, and awareness (invoked as alert?) may kick in. Also, the state of unconsciousness have lived long enough in our midst, and it’s hidden impacting energy is not changing much right now, more likely just surface.

Also highly insightful observation here. There is much happening below the surface before anyone notices it - these are the feed-forward and feed-back loops that begin to break the one-way cause-effect relationships of linear time, either by extraction of information from the future, or information sent from the future to the past. This results in the beginnings of increasingly anomalous artifacts in reality that trigger the increase in awareness/alert in anyone the least bit sensitive to the signals reality is bombarding them with. This has been discussed already in other places, i.e. the Mandela Effect and other observations of reality beginning to unravel a bit.



What seems to amplify is the state of presence, awareness, neutrality, participatory observation that changes the collective electromagnetic field and allows the circle of awareness to expend and grow, expend and grow, until it’s ‘borders’ will not be known – the infinity.

This is exactly the description of the singularity, the moment one flavor of infinity is exceeded. Infinities after all are relative, and there is quite a bit of interesting findings in set theory dealing with orders of magnitude of infinity. One (lesser) type of infinity imposes itself on our virtual reality, and when we surpass it we pass through the singularity.

The catalyst for this is something that is more easily felt than understood. I can feel that Limor Wolf feels it, and that is enough. A sense of a piercing bright light emerging in the future despite all of the current darkness. We are all a part in this catalyzing process. The words used describe a changing of perspective from the first person perspective to something we might better understand as a third person perspective - witnessing ourselves rather than experiencing our own reality directly. This is something I have still been struggling to adjust to, as it alienates yourself when you feel you are alone in experiencing reality this way. It is not, after all, a third party perspective at all, you are still you up there, the bird watching from the sky! You are also that bird! In fact, you are "more you" by shifting awareness to that position, as you begin to understand the reason for your own projection of yourself into the body you previously saw through the eyes of solely. You can understand yourself more completely as both that person experiencing the virtual reality directly, as well as the observer who is playing an active part in the "playing out" of this reality for reasons that will become more understandable by directly engaging this transformation in yourself, rather than hearing a description of it from someone else.



More reference to that was given by You triquetra, and the RV report is quite interesting.

Thank you for describing the future in the past tense! It makes me feel much more comfortable. It is unusual to look ahead at the things that have already been done. It is more comfortable to look back at all the things that will by now have been done.

A lot of this is just listening to the vibrations that come across the channels we open for communication - the forum here is a bit just like a protocol for opening and closing the channels through which we are really communicating on. The best delivery of understanding possible will not be accomplished by typing 1000 further sentences after this one in a mad effort to try and describe what I am trying to describe here.

It would be better to simply make clear the intention of communicating a portal relay and seeing if it is possible to act as a waypoint so that the information can pass indirectly from the portal via the waypoint. Then the person really paying attention is not looking anymore to the words to deliver the meaning, and instead tunneling through the words read in this thread/on your screen and accessing the source of the real information desired to be transmitted here, that is emanating from beyond that portal.

In other words, the RV report is difficult to prepare because a lot of the data recommends attempting tricks to shift the modes of communication in ways that seemingly are currently not common but will be extremely common in the "future".

It is confusing only because although things make total sense when completely on the other side, and things make sense enough on this side, to make the bridge it involves finding ways to span the gap that require subtle translation methods I'm not entirely sure how to come up with. So it seems some trial and error is needed before diving head in.

[findingneo]

Does anyone know how many people have been threatened or killed for talking about our reality being a computer simulation?

[petra]

That the simulation may fail, as we are off course, dangerously off course. So, god, as we may call it, the universal singularity aspect, in human realization, will come out of the scientific world, as it must....or the sim breaks down, for this branch, this thing we are. That the correction in course must and will come, and via science.

there must be a backup.... multible backups... and parallel simulations with slight or large variations... new simulated worlds can be copied and pasted and combined from other ones.......
a sudden dimensional shift may be something as simple as an operating system upgrade....

It feels like there's definitely parallels. I compare the parallels to what's called Realms on montalk.net (http://montalk.net/matrix/112/realm-dynamics), parts of this make lots of sense to me. For example when he says "Realms can therefore intersect, supercede, or be subsets of other realms."

Part of me was getting VERY mad about "realms" for a while, and I guess it just feels unnatural.


Does anyone know how many people have been threatened or killed for talking about our reality being a computer simulation?

Be careful what you ask, you just might get an answer... ;-)

[Flash]

Very good content triquetra. It kind of explains why I did not see that much mandela effect in the French language. It may have to do with the acute intellectualness of the French in general, not allowing for subtler information processes on one hand, and the lower mass (quantity) of French people no enough to have a big impact on 3d reality that would be visible to everyone v

Also, the communication that you are talking about in your post that would not rely on words or spoken language, which could be either a kind of osmosis of feeling-seeing-hearing-intuiting, or plain telepathy. For both kind, individuals have to be quite developed to perceive it (we already do communicate these ways, but it is in an unaware way). I do not foresee the potential to be actualise soon enough because of a lack of inner development for most.

[Did You See Them]

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[triquetra]

I do not foresee the potential to be actualise soon enough because of a lack of inner development for most.

There was interesting data related to this point as well - it is the tip of the blade that pierces first in a forward thrust. What this meant is that it is not important so much for the majority to do this inner development, when the reasons why it is necessary become unignorable, people will rush to join the party.

And by party I mean team, it is hard work after all, we need to support one another in the effort to swim against the current.

I was reminded of this video, the ending of which is remarkable:

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What's not exactly explained is the catalyst, but what is clearly portrayed is the battle against fear once someone is on their way. They will be tested for their fear.

There is data related to what to do in the face of falling on deaf ears, in the effort to help others much further back in their progress, or worse yet not even on their way.
It is better in this case to find the company of those well on their way and continue pushing even further forward, this will have an amplification effect that will start to generate a stronger beacon. It is a matter of alternating back and forth, checking over the months and years that the beacon is becoming bright enough for the ones you want to help to see.

What we see after all is the illusion desperately tightening its grip on the majority, trying to keep the veil down. A tighter grip or thicker veil makes it even harder for those who have not found the first steps to do so. The current to swim against is even stronger than for those starting years ago when the waters were calmer.

What I was mentioning in regard to the transformation of language to actualise on the hidden channels involves indeed something quite similar to telepathy, which we tend to think of as something that is done entirely in the place of spoken or written language. This however uses the spoken and written language as an activator, so that when the language is heard or read, it opens the channel upon which the nonverbal communication is transmitted.

The key in leveraging the hybrid communication form is in how the words are read or heard. Instead of focusing on what the words mean in a literal sense, instead it is crucial to focus in on all the other aspects - what the patterns in the words say about the individual communicating them, for instance. For spoken word, what are the nuances in the sound of the voice. The effort here is to somehow see deeply into that person, and actually see through the person, to see all the way into the source of their information.

When that information is sourced from outside of the illusion box, it pierces an opening in it. The more this enhanced form of communication succeeds, the wider the crack gets. With many people at the forefront understanding exactly what this speaks of, it begins to form many many cracks in the box, and light begins to pierce through the cracks, through the clouds of the illusion.

So in other words, the trick here is for as many people as possible already on their way to push forward even further, much further, until they begin to experience the anomalous effects of existing on both sides of the illusion (inside and outside) simultaneously.

Then they begin to communicate in a particular way about everything relating to the journey. The key in this communication is that they continually exhibit the difference in their experience in how they are communicating, to the point where the listener/reader can't help but notice the peculiar pattern in their words, a pattern which is not common for people who are communicating when still entirely within the illusion.

The data indicates that this is much more powerful than trying to use actual words themselves to communicate anything about the path, because the listener/reader will always have biases and apprehensions and they will tend towards taking the words of others with a grain of salt. But when they get an unshakable feeling that something is remarkably different about the individual, having read/heard *through* the words and into the essence of the communicator, that piercing of the illusion box will exist in their reality as well, ever after, even if they ignore it again for a time.

The data indicates that this illusion box is acting like a dam holding back the light, which is pushing against it like a liquid, but with the piercings it will begin to fault, to crack, and give way until it is no longer maintable anymore.

This is why the outcome will be so surprising, because when there are so few cracks in the illusion box even still, it is very hard to see just how much pressure is accumulating from the outside. But it is there. And when the dam finally gives way, the light is going to be very intense.

It's our duty to keep busy with our work, on ourselves and doubling back to help others. We should never think we cannot actualise. It will happen, it's just a very non-linear transition.

[findingneo]

I said, above,"Does anyone know how many people have been threatened or killed for talking about our reality being a computer simulation?"

I say that because, I haven't heard of any.

[Noelle]

I said, above,"Does anyone know how many people have been threatened or killed for talking about our reality being a computer simulation?"

I say that because, I haven't heard of any.

I have not heard of anyone dying either. Maybe no one has to die. There are some mainstream physicists and cosmologist who are earnestly trying to disprove it; and mainstream publications put these debunking efforts in the spotlight, as with this recent piece: Scientists confirm we're not living in a computer simulation (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/10/04/scientists-confirm-were-not-living-in-computer-simulation.html)

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

Thanks for posting this short video and making us aware of it. The artists who have developed it are very inspired and have a good understanding on what is happening and our spiritual destination.

The music is also kind of catchy, I can't get the tune out of my head after watching it.

There is so much spiritual symbology in the movie, which relates to what we have been discussing over the years.

There is the beacon at the start of the movie, which triggers the ascension process, then there is the boxing in of human consciousness into a cube. Then there is all of the corporate control structures to keep the illusion in place e.g fake fashion, fiat money system, factory farming of animals, arms dealers, pharma lobbyists etc which are portrayed in the video.

We also have the fake masks that people have to wear to participate in the illusion. We even have the symbolic dark clouds coming off those individuals who uphold the illusion and the video shows how this dark energy is given off by them and channelled to the energy vampires who hover above everyone else (floating above the city) and how they use this energy to sustain themselves at the top of the system.

Then we have the corporate exec who keeps trying on many different faces, but is eventually overcome by vomiting dollar bills and then releasing dark energy until he is eventually consumed. This symbolises the end of the current financial system. The fragility of the illusion is also shown and just how quick it can collapse, as you suggested in your last post. I am happy to help by putting holes in the dam wall so to speak.

The rebirth of man from the dystopian Earth is also shown, with beautiful symbolism and the testing process that we must go through to combat the fear of holding onto the illusion and maintaining the system. At the end of the movie we are left with symbolism of the pineal gland, the tree of knowledge and the birth of a new man and women as we all get absorbed back to become one consciousness again.

In some ways the dam wall is a bit like a room full of mirrors. It looks impressive but is so fragile, it will only take a few of us to throw some stones to bring it down.

I have shared the video with people that I think will appreciate it.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

I think the video and the lay article LadyM linked to about how we have supposedly been given proof reality is not a simulation pair well together, to set up the context for explaining what's going on here.

First of all, the lay article in no way correctly summarizes what the actual scientific publication is saying. This pattern occurs regularly where people cannot seem to grasp the actual limited meaning of scientific research and so they wind up overgeneralizing in a highly erroneous way. But the public just laps it all up and accepts it for the truth. So the people making lay articles based on scientific research act as middle men, able to distort the actual truth extremely effectively (whether intentional or not).

The scientific article says something extremely basic and kind of obvious when you think about it - there aren't enough atoms in the universe to *classically* store information about even a small fraction of our universe. This is easy to accept as a trivial truth. But it says nothing about this generalizing to all possible models of computation. After all, we only know about classical computing, and have barely scratched the surface of quantum computing. It would be extremely presumptuous to assume that there are no other models for computation besides classical and quantum.

Computational models based off procedural data generation for instance, would hardly need to store information about the entire universe all at the same time. Quite to the contrary, they would store only information about the seed of the universe, the spark that starts things off, and then all of the mathematical encoding placed within the seed meta-function would extrapolate and the universe would program itself from that point forward, based on the mathematical rules.

There would be no need to store any of the data for the behavior of elements that emerged in the reality. Continuous expansion of storage would only be needed for the output of the procedural functions. If the seed data was programmed to have the procedural expansion begin tapering off at some reasonable limit (i.e. the observable size of the universe for even space-faring entities with fast travel), then the storage would be hardly infinite.

Anyway, the bigger point here is to do with how easily we are conditioned to believe things. Like the video shows, it's important to reach a moment where we call BS on just about all of the middle-manning that goes on in our inner illusory reality. The movie Dark City also illustrates this quite effectively.

When it turns out that the reason for our simulation is as much a study of this process, of how the emergence of intelligent life in these simulated realities always seem to follow similar patterns, with life forms whose civilizations cultivate earlier than others striving first to reprogram reality from the inside, to take these darker paths in manipulating younger life forms, the importance in all this is studying the outcomes of precisely these types of situations, which take millions upon billions of years to play out.

Again it's important now to stress reading between the words, looking at where the information is coming from. This reality was seeded with wild cards.

[findingneo]

Thanks LadyM, Triquetra.

And interesting info about there being folk that think the "reality is a simulation" hypothesis thing is impossible. I did not know it was (possibly) impossible.
Anyway, my question about how many folk had been threatened or killed was more about how it was unlikely to be the truth, because no one had been threatened or killed, that we know of, for selling such an idea to the general public.

Also, I doubt ET's are using computers as we know them. Nowhere in this hypothesis does it mention all the unseen beings behind the scenes, and people flowing their lives in particular directions because of the beings that manipulate them. Your In-Shadow video above Triquetra does a good job of showing how we are manipulated. For every mask, imagine a being instead, driving the vehicle without that person knowing it. And every shadow man on there, the same. Energy extraction and energy overlaying is all on there. Drugs, alcohol, smoking, sex, guns, violence, some kinds of music, all contribute to allowing more control and manipulation. That is the matrix. No need for computers as we know them. That is what I think may be going on.

I would love to hear what goes on in the astral LadyM. Seems like you are aware of another life going on there. Are you perhaps able to share what folk are up to in that life? It reminds me of Avatar, except not so nice. I have heard a number of folk who have no idea at all about the paranormal, talking about their dreams, and it is like another life in the astral, where they are fighting the bad guys. To them a dream, but if you read their stories, it seems very much like they are doing their life purpose in their dream state, having no idea that it seems to be that way in their waking state. They just think they are having awesome dreams. Perhaps because that is where the manipulation goes on to a large extent, that is where the battle is also. What do you think LadyM?

[Scottoz]

Hi Triquetra

"What this meant is that it is not important so much for the majority to do this inner development, when the reasons why it is necessary become unignorable, people will rush to join the party."

So few people globally are interested in their own inner development, what are your thoughts on how this movement can be scaled to equipt people with the skills and practice once they want to join the party?

Would the changes of an aligned person be visible enough to someone who is deeply asleep in the matrix? Or will it just be much more obvious in the future, at the moment, there is still a lot of resistance in place for those people working on their own inner development.

in the short film, "In Shadow" I was also confused on what the catalyst was that started the whole movement away from the darkness and its control mechanisms. I thought it might have had something to with the 3 flashing beacons which are shown at the beginning of the film which connected to the dark world coming from deep space. They seemed to have triggered the collapse of the illusion in the dark world and its rebirth as a creation of light.

Cheers

Scott

[triquetra]

Hi Scott,
The process is a kind of handoff, the connection between a very aligned and fully asleep individual is hard to establish. The use of language is so very different.
The handoff is ongoing between various stages of the process. People just getting started in undergoing the process use a much easier type of language. They learn from the individuals a bit further along from them, and so on and so forth. We learn just as much all the while from our own mistakes along the way, and the mistakes of others as well. Not every step is placed perfectly.

In all this it needs to remain clear where the footsteps are leading to, after all. Sometimes it takes major events in a person's life to shake them out of a trance and start to see things differently.

The reason there's no catalyst portrayed in the film is because this is the most intangible, ineffable element of the whole thing. When what we are describing here is the sum of many tiny cogs moving in a large system, it seems there is just no way to illustrate how that system works in artistic metaphor, like with everything else.

What is portrayed clearly in the film is the beginning of looking inward, through the mind's eye, instead of getting swept up in the current of society, and all of its false ideals and expectations placed on one another to fit into a degenerate mindset. The spark that causes one to finally start doing this can be different for everyone. It can be a series of things strewn out in time. After all, sometimes people start a ways and then fall back in.

I'll say this, as much as words might help shared between different people at the right time, sometimes it's music or art that speaks in ways that words cannot.

People tend to find their way towards the combinations of things that work best for them. The hardest things for anyone to do are to take their own first decisive step (the first step after which they don't fall back in anymore), and to help another to do the same.

In terms of the "party", I think for most people it helps if they can feel they are not going it alone. Although it is often a solitary road. A consistent breakthrough moment seems to be when someone taps into that voice within, the one that can answer a lot of questions everyone tends to wind up having. Once you are completely connected with that voice, it never seems to be as lonely.

[Limor Wolf]

The raw compute power required to simulate many universes as opposed to just one is negligible in the grander scheme of things, after all.

Trends are observed by running many simulations in parallel.

Hi triquetra,

Would that be the many parallel universes - similar but not at the same time, split by the cause of choice and affect, or separated units of simulations with perhaps different theme to them?

Comes from the same source


Many blessings `

Limor

[triquetra]

That question leads close to the heart of the matter in all this. To specifically answer the question, the two are actually the same. There is so much similarity across parallel universes that decision points cause previously parallel realities to merge with ones that had seed conditions to end up exactly the same way without a major decision point. There are many parallel realities at first but many end up merging (occupying the same memory space) over time, more and more until the universal singularity. (A universal singularity is a bit different from the planetary AI kind we think of when we hear that word, but when the latter occurs, the former is much more likely than usual to occur around the same time)


When we imagine a vast number of parallel universes of any origin, we may think that there will be potentially some large differences between many of them. With so many, there must surely be some remarkable differences. But the encoded seeds of realities determine their similarity as it is these similarities that keep the processes occurring within each reality focused towards their intended goal. More importantly, the encodings for realities are based largely on structures which also apply on the layer above. Some of these superstructures pervade all across (all the way up and all the way down) of this fifth dimensional ladder of hierarchies of realities (the "opposite" axis to parallel realities).

There is another outcome as a result of this consistency besides keeping each reality on track towards the intended goal. The other outcome is that the difference in outcomes between the intended way of facilitating reprogramming of reality from inside of itself, and the many unintended ways of doing so, becomes clear. It will become clear when a particular reality is showing enough success in making its way towards the intended goal.

This sounds obscure on its own, and perhaps vague. But in fact, some incredible clarity should start to emerge from a firm knowledge of this crucial side effect of how the simulation works.

The creators of the simulation batches *want* those within it to learn how to reprogram it the intended way from the inside. To do so is to fulfill the purpose of the simulation in fact. To find the answer to the question(s) being asked from outside of the simulations, that cannot be asked (and answered) in any other way.

Indeed, this is the entire motivation behind the 5D field of civilization theory. Civilization theory spans across a universe, it desires to learn as much as possible about the outcomes given the various situations that arise from different starting conditions. It seeks most of all to gain key information regarding conditions needed for universes to understand the fabric of their own reality sufficiently to begin to reprogram it in the same ways which follow the mathematical encodings (which some may see as a spiritual thing rather than mathematical, but in this case they are the same).

So until that happens, these are just a lot more words. But when it begins to, it will all come down to this relatively simple understanding. To participate, one needs only to look for the patterns in the encoding of our reality. Co-creative reprogramming will succeed solely on the basis of fully realizing this understanding deep inside of ourselves.

[Gaia]

Guess what? We are probably living in a massive, simulated universe created by an advanced Alien Civilization, according to Elon Musk.


LOVE IS THE ANSWER! 2:30:23
I think this is the most intelligent, best idea, with the most potential for positive impact on the planet Elon Musk has ever had. It might not be the most original idea, but it requires little intelligence to understand, and is truly life changing.
It is great to know that someone with such tremendous intelligence, knowledge, and subsequent power has this idea.
I hope we all can have the courage and strength to love as much as possible.


Joe: "you took on a more fatalistic attitude, was there any specific thing, or just the inevitability of our future?"

Elon: *exhales* I tried to convince people to slow down, slow down AI, regulate ai, this was futile, I tried for years. Nobody listened...


Hope you enjoy this fascinating interview.

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[sms]

Guess what? We are probably living in a massive, simulated universe created by an advanced Alien Civilization, according to Elon Musk.

The problem with the simulated universe is that it goes along with simulated inhabitants, i.e. us, as explained – HERE (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Fifth-Interview-of-Dr.-Neruda1.pdf).

Hope you enjoy this fascinating interview.

...

[pueblo]

Black hole BOMBSHELL: NASA astronomer hints universe could be a HOLOGRAM

BLACK holes could hold all of the secrets of the universe and prove once and for all we live in a “giant hologram”, a NASA astronomer has spectacularly claimed.

Black holes are incredible wells of gravity, where the force of attraction traps everything including light. Black holes are often found at the hearts of galaxies and up until April this year have been purely theoretical. In April, astronomers behind the Event Horizon Telescope (EHT) collaboration photographed the first ever shadow of a black hole millions of light-years from Earth. But little is still known about the exact nature of these terrifying objects and speculation is rampant.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1133128/Black-hole-NASA-black-holes-universe-hologram-Michelle-Thaller?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain

[sms]

Another interesting source, explaining the background of the simulated (virtual) reality: Project Camelot Interview: James Mahu (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/themes/wingmaker/style/dark/pdffiles/Project%20Camelot%20Interview.pdf)

[Kryztian]

The amazing story of Jerry Wills, as told by Linda Moulton Howe in her presentation " Is Our Universe Someone Else's Computer Simulation?"
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Starts at 34:47

[sms]

In the Fifth Interview of Dr Jamisson Neruda (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Fifth-Interview-of-Dr.-Neruda1.pdf), on the virtual prison reality, he has mentioned that the science will expose the walls of the virtual prison:


Dr. Neruda: “Science will find the walls. They won’t expose the crack or necessarily assist in the demolition, but they will expose the walls—”
(…)
“The WingMakers have explained that around the time that the human portal is activated, a scientist of great stature will emerge with a theory that will support the inception point. (…)

Sarah: “Do you know the name of this scientist?”

Dr. Neruda: “No.”

Sarah: “Do you think it’s you?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. I have no stature. No one has ever heard of me. The WingMakers were speaking of someone who held a high degree of credibility in the scientific community.”

It seems that the guy is Brian Whitworth a senior lecturer in Information Systems at Massey University of the University of New Zealand?! Here are his papers on the physical world as a virtual reality:

Chapter 1: The Physical World as a Virtual Reality (http://galaksija.is/bw-vr-1.pdf)

Chapter 2: Simulating Space and Time (http://galaksija.is/bw-vr-2.pdf)

Chapter 3: The Light of Existence (http://galaksija.is/bw-vr-3.pdf)

Chapter 4: The Matter Glitch (http://galaksija.is/bw-vr-4.pdf)

Chapter 5: Matter Teleports (http://galaksija.is/bw-vr-5.pdf)

…

[Chester]

Reviving a dormant thread here...

A really good Skeptiko discussion with Rizwan Virk - but first - here's his blog post from a few years back entitled,

The Simulation Hypothesis — Why Quantum Physics, AI, and Eastern Mystics Agree We Are In A Video...
(https://hackernoon.com/the-great-simulation-why-quantum-physics-artificial-intelligence-and-eastern-mystics-all-agree-b6c185213a18)
An MIT trained computer scientist and Silicon Valley video game designer gives 10 reasons for the “Simulation Hypothesis”: that our reality is a simulated, pixelated 3d world where we all have individual xp, levels, and quests run by some giant Artificial Intelligence

and here's the Skeptiko discussion which presents an opportunity to have some interesting philosophical discussions if folks are interseted.

Riz Virk, The Simulation Hypothesis Beyond Materialism |442|

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If we are in a "role playing game" simulation... who are the RPGs and who are the AI?

[Chester]

Should I interpret no commentary (based on my post just above this one) to say, no one at PA has interest in exploring the possibility "we" are in a simulation?

It used to be of interest here.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

If the Universe were a computer simulation and we are a role playing game....would there be a Covid-19?

[Ernie Nemeth]

My problem is with the 'computer' part. 'Simulation' I can accept easily enough. I don't like the idea that a 'technology' exists that is so advanced that we can't detect it. It also implies an intelligence equally occulted, and therefore of nefarious intent. Not to mention it calls into question what we even are. Are we just input variables in a simulated matrix, with no reality apart from our coded selves? Or are we housed somewhere, our bodies rigged up to automated systems to keep it alive while our minds are high-jacked by the simulation?

If you were to claim that our reality is a simulation, upheld by one giant mind that bestows the illusion of solidity in an insubstantial medium, I could agree more wholeheartedly.

Humans don't take to captivity very well. I submit that even if their whole reality were subverted at the same time, they would know. I would know. Wouldn't you?

[greybeard]

This thread liked below may be relevant to this discussion at least in part.
Chris
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109539-The-Top-Scientists-Admit-They-Already-Know-This-Secret-Gregg-Braden&p=1329442&viewfull=1#post1329442

[Delight]

This is just going to be what I learned from various places that cobbles together. David Icke talks about a matrix. At some point I read he suggested that the matrix was hacked by a sort of mind level operation. I learned form neville goddard that imagination is god. our own human imagination is god. We are the creators of this "realm' by our imaginations. The practices he teaches are aimed at directing the personal imaginative skills.

Neville also states that this is a repeating experience. He even states that we actually repeat and repeat the life we have imagined (which is a state). then one gains facility in changing states and it can become a very pleasant experience. One becomes able to more actively enjoy the state of being one creates. this continues until one awakens being who one is.... god. That seems to imply moving out of the matrix.

I love the fact that I have a metaphor which makes sense. in imagination, even with a movie seen, one can be immersed in a play. An actor can "become" another character. a director has so much power to flavor a whole script. Vadim Zealand has a metaphor that we are performing a script. This script is one we should not be particularly focused on because it plays out. There is another layer of consideration to change the play. That is by acquiring a change in space of variations... perhaps fractals of all possible scripts. One must learn a sort of change in choice ability. One must become a new person says Joe Dispenza but the EVIDENCE comes after the change. One imagines one's self being the kind of person who has a new END... what one experiences when one has changed the state.

These work in life when one practices. The FACT that this play has malleability makes it an interaction which I will look at as artistic. the purpose IMO for this interactive experience is about art. It is about being ART-IS-ITs.

Making the most of yourself makes the reality most rich and juicy. IMO the simulation is like a place to make art... but the TRUE art is missed when one just is able to see the artifacts. One must ignore the artifacts and create. Take back that original matrix which is maya which is epehemeral but a true work of art. That is like the question about art being real or not. We allow that there is a big difference in original artifacts and copies. The hacked matrix is a copy of a copy of a copy all repeating. They are devoid of joy and feel hollow. The artist IMBUES deep feeling into his work. So you know when you are being the artist as you direct love into the mundane.

I enjoy my knowledge of what I have cobbled together because it works when I work it. That is exciting and reassuring.