Who won the Republican Presidential Debate in Iowa?

[daledo]

http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11
Go to the above site to see a color coordinated map of the votes and what part of the US they came from.

6,965 Active Cities
37,719 Total Votes


Paul 22346
Gingrich 5799
Cain 3134
Bachmann 2353
Romney 2334
Santorum 1017
Huntsman 408
Pawlenty 328
Votes as of 10:54 PM, 08/12/11



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fg%2Fa%2F2011%2F08%2F12%2Fbenzinga1854956.DTL
The verdict is in - Ron Paul won last night's GOP Presidential debate in Ames, Iowa. Much to the chagrin of the neo-cons at Fox News, the polls, and applause, overwhelmingly showed that the people thought Ron Paul won the debate. Fox News was even forced to take down its own poll from its website after Paul crushed the competition in a landslide. Readers can can view that poll here. This is the largest online GOP debate poll, and just under 30,000 Americans have voted. Ron Paul has received a whopping 16,188 votes thus far, which is more than triple the support of runner-up Newt Gingrich.

In fact, Paul is winning nearly every single online GOP debate poll, many of them by a very wide margin. It was also obvious who the crowd preferred last night in Ames, as Ron Paul supporters were clearly the loudest and most influential contingent at the event. Still not convinced? During and after the debate last night, Ron Paul was #4 on Goggle Trends, well ahead of the other candidates. At last check, he is still #4, which is quite a feat. Furthermore, he remains one of the top trending topics on Twitter, which is a very reliable gauge of interest.

Even TheHill.com is declaring Paul victorious. Last night, was a huge boost for the Texas Congressman who has emerged as one the GOP front-runners, and is polling third nationally, only trailing Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. It is becoming quite clear that the American people are gravitating towards Paul's honest and principled positions which emphasize peace and personal liberty. Unfortunately, the rest of the field is made up of Establishment figures whose pandering is determined by which way the wind blows. Clearly it is blowing in the direction of Dr. Paul, as his influence continues to shape the course of the GOP primary, with candidates such as Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachmann now parroting many of the ideas that he has been promoting for the last thirty years. Gingrich actually attacked the Federal Reserve last night.

The problem that these other candidates have, however, is that their records simply don't lend them much credence, whereas Paul has an unblemished, and unimpeachable, Congressional voting record. Despite the best efforts of the media to get Dr. Paul to flip flop on his libertarian views, he just won't do it - even when the questions are tough. Last night, when he was asked what his response would be to the possibility that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, Paul stuck to his non-interventionist position and said that he would prefer more diplomatic discourse and trade with Tehran, as opposed to just relying on threatening rhetoric and war mongering.

While this may have seemed like an extreme position to Americans whose only source of information on Iranian/U.S. relations is media propaganda, it is in fact quite sound, and part of an already existing strategy. The Obama administration has acknowledged that Iran deserves a seat at the international table. In 2009, he told the Iranian people that "The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations. You have that right-but it comes with real responsibilities." Iran and the United States also are trade partners.

Furthermore, the Obama administration has been warned in no uncertain terms by a panel of academics and ambassadors that a military attack against the country would be a mistake, and that the only viable course of action was unconditional negotiations. This panel included former special envoy to Afghanistan James Dobbins, former ambassador to the UN Thomas Pickering, and Middle East scholars from American universities. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad continues to claim that his country's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, and Iran is a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty along with the United States. Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has issued a fatwa against the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons.

On the terrorism front, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan has said that Iran is "a helper and a solution" for Afghanistan and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq stated that Iran has a "positive and constructive" role in helping the Iraqi government improve security in that nation. Another thing to note about Iran is that it is a democratic country, and the hard-liners may not be in power much longer. Ahmadinejad's 2009 re-election caused significant debate and protest in that country, and it is becoming ever more clear that he is losing the support of the Iranian populace.

We have seen this trend throughout the Middle East in countries such as Libya, Egypt, and Syria. None of this should be interpreted as an endorsement of Iran as a shining beacon of peace and freedom, but it does underscore where Dr. Paul is coming from. Under his foreign policy, countries such as Israel, and the Europeans, would have much more latitude to deal with the Iranians as they saw fit, without U.S. meddling.

The American people have absolutely no desire to engage countries such as Pakistan and Iran in war, yet the government's rhetoric suggests otherwise. Ron Paul is the only candidate that can guarantee the American people that we will not preemptively engage in another war of aggression such as Iraq, which is now viewed as a mistake by the majority of U.S. citizens.

[Lost Soul]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

[daledo]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

I still like Jesse Ventura as the vice pres... they would be unstoppable. Too bad Paul has to run as a republican to have a chance and Ventura has said he will only run on the independent ticket. But Nader would be a great second choice.

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82zLisxU18

[jackovesk]

Ron Paul for President 2012

http://i4.ytimg.com/u/O3Zc0OAo1OKjyyKdUuqT-g/watch_icon.jpg?v=4d3f23cd

Full GOP Debate in Ames, Iowa - Aug. 11, 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDSs_XFmacc

Ron Paul Highlights - GOP Debate in Ames, Iowa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdGsPioLLvQ

PS - Thanks Daledo, Great Thread...

[Omni]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

That would be awesome. It works out perfectly because republicans will just vote for the republican candidate, and democrats with a good mind will probably vote for Paul due to his past.

Paul just needs to somehow get by the republican side to get nominated. lol. Then it's a good chance from there he'll be elected. Obama is a total fraud...

Beating them (the political cabal)at their own game is something I hope to see. Something like that could really do some big changes.

Maybe Paul could take down the CIA, military industrial complex, stop certain black ops, get disclosure rolling, end the fed, etc. If he could do any of those it would be great. :)

I will definitely vote if Paul runs for president.

[Snowbird]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

I still like Jesse Ventura as the vice pres... they would be unstoppable. Too bad Paul has to run as a republican to have a chance and Ventura has said he will only run on the independent ticket. But Nader would be a great second choice.

I really think that Ron Paul will become the Republican nominee. His running mate, however, will have to be as politically strong as is Paul and also much younger. Ron Paul may very well be President for one term.

[jackovesk]

I have decided that the 2012 US Pesidential Election is the 'Catalyst' that will bring down the NWO Globally Once & For All..!

...and the only Candidate that can achieve this is Ron Paul..!

He is the obvious "Commonsense" solution to Help America and the World in Stamping Out those Criminals that have for decades taken over Control of Govts. throughout the world..!

In order to do that, the Campaign must get the American People involved again..!

"We The People"

Not on a False Dichotomy like "Yes We Can" but one on True Grassroots participation "Use Your Own COMMONSENSE" !

I will design be designing a Campaign Brief for 'Ron Paul' based upon "Commonsense" and submit it to his Campaign team.

So when you hear Ron Paul Campaign asking the American People to use their own "Commonsense" you will know the Idea was created by a fellow Avalonian!

Most of you will say your Full-Of-It Jackovesk, and I understand your POV, however as Crazy as it sounds...

My response will be this "I don't even live in America, but at least I am "TRYING" to doing something"!

EVERY SINGLE BLOODY THING I HAVE LEARNED WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRUTH..!

Is that you have to "FIGHT FOR IT" and to "DEFEAT THE NWO" it all comes down to basic "COMMONSENSE" and "EMPOWERING" the "PEOPLE" to "TAKE THEIR POWER BACK" against the "CRIMINALS" that want to "ENSLAVE ALL OF US"..!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1077690834312&id=b62005482f4e6a9ff2d67283f07609fb&url=http%3a%2f%2fi760.photobucket.com%2falbums%2fxx243%2flibertydefense%2fronpaul2012.jpg

[Lord Sidious]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

I still like Jesse Ventura as the vice pres... they would be unstoppable. Too bad Paul has to run as a republican to have a chance and Ventura has said he will only run on the independent ticket. But Nader would be a great second choice.

I'm with you brother.
If I had an interest in their political system, I would say that is a good pair.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSra-McRZEc

[T Smith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82zLisxU18

Say what you will of Alex Jones. I understand he is abrasive and offensive to some. He is, however, spot on in this analysis.

If anyone wants a real-time study of NWO candidate selection 101, no need to take a class. Just tune in to this election cycle to understand how the NWO effectively challenges and disengages a popular non-NWO candidate.

Here are the steps:

1. Dissuade the mindless: The "Ron Paul Can't Win" slogan pushed by Madison Avenue is designed specifically to dissuade the mindless. This works 99% of the time.
2 Make Credible the Rigged: If the people rise up (that 1% of the time when even Madison Avenue cannot control the vote) they nonetheless have established a narrative to make credible the rigged election. People are indoctrinated with the notion that Ron Paul cannot win, so when they rig the election, that will be the last thing people will suspect.
3. Eliminate the Populist: Alex Jones asserts here that TPTB cannot rig a landslide... I'm not so sure I agree with him. They can quell a Ron Paul run employing step 1 99% of the time, and step 2 if necessary, regardless of whether the mass majority actually vote for Ron Paul. Fortunately there is no real need to take out Ron Paul via harsher methods. They need not employ any other tactic to stop Ron Paul from getting the GOP nomination. However, let us assume, for sake of illustration, that Alex Jones is correct. Let us assume they cannot rig a landslide, electronic voting/Madison Avenue propaganda and all. In this event, they simply employ step 3, which is the JFK solution. This solution doesn't even require a bullet. An induced heart-attack would suffice.

While I don't believe it will come to this, if Ron Paul continues to gain steam, we need to all pray for him. Daily.

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtd5XeamNNQ

[Maia Gabrial]

Both Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura would tell it like it is! If we still have this system, then I'd vote for those guys only because they have high integrity and have the boldness to speak out....

[Unified Serenity]

RP won't get past the primary. The votes will be a fraud. They were a fraud in the last primary and they will be again. These computer systems just spit out what they are programmed to spit out. It's rigged and RP will never win. No one will do anything about it including me. Why? Just what do you expect to happen when we show up to challenge the counts? We will be run out of the rooms, arrested by the state police, and demonized as radical right wing nut jobs.

RP might be a great guy, but just like I won't let my kids pick their clothes, they elites won't let us pick our President. We get to choose from their approved outfits / candidates layed out on the bed. Oh, yeh, we get to think we picked out clothes/leaders, but we didn't. Sleep on, nothing is going to change. It all depends on if they want to further drag us down in a social program or actively pursue another war.

[firstlook]

Let this Show that The internet is something to cherish in terms of communicating.

Now we just need to ignore politics and get something going. Government is still a lesser system to spend your energy on.

Peace :)

[fifi]

the elites won't let us pick our President.

Is it possible for Ron Paul to run as an independent if he doesn't win the GOP nomination? I really hope that Ron Paul will become our president, and won't let his chance ruined by the GOP who are controlled by the elite.

[Lord Sidious]

the elites won't let us pick our President.

Is it possible for Ron Paul to run as an independent if he doesn't win the GOP nomination? I really hope that Ron Paul will become our president, and won't let his chance ruined by the GOP who are controlled by the elite.

He could run as an independant. He has the following to do it as well.

[daledo]

Now for the straw poll results released at 6:30ish eastern time on 8/13/2011

28.56% (4823 votes) – Michele Bachmann
27.65% (4671 votes) – Ron Paul
13.57% (2293 votes) – Tim Pawlenty
9.81% (1657 votes) – Rick Santorum
8.62% (1456 votes) – Herman Cain
4.25% (718 votes) – Rick Perry (write-in)
3.36% (567 votes) – Mitt Romney
2.28% (385 votes) – Newt Gingrich
0.41% (69 votes) – Jon Huntsman
0.21% (35 votes) – Thaddeus McCotter

Ron Paul comes in 2nd, missing the Win by 152 votes!!

I can live with that, just glad the robot poster boy Romney got only 567 votes.

But I can't believe that the live coverage omitted Ron Paul from the slide show of the votes. Can anyone else see the sabotage that the media is doing? Or am I just going crazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JssVALbJdnc

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6iqiMlQ3s0

[T Smith]

RP won't get past the primary. The votes will be a fraud. They were a fraud in the last primary and they will be again. These computer systems just spit out what they are programmed to spit out. It's rigged and RP will never win. No one will do anything about it including me. Why? Just what do you expect to happen when we show up to challenge the counts? We will be run out of the rooms, arrested by the state police, and demonized as radical right wing nut jobs.

RP might be a great guy, but just like I won't let my kids pick their clothes, they elites won't let us pick our President. We get to choose from their approved outfits / candidates layed out on the bed. Oh, yeh, we get to think we picked out clothes/leaders, but we didn't. Sleep on, nothing is going to change. It all depends on if they want to further drag us down in a social program or actively pursue another war.

Maybe it's time to start allowing our kids to pick their own clothes... ??

In any case, in the final analysis I'm sorry to report you are spot on here.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Imagine the message this sends to TPTB. Especially since 'whats his face' gave the speech about the masses being politically awakened for the first time in history.

[T Smith]

Now for the straw poll results released at 6:30ish eastern time on 8/13/2011

28.56% (4823 votes) – Michele Bachmann
27.65% (4671 votes) – Ron Paul
13.57% (2293 votes) – Tim Pawlenty
9.81% (1657 votes) – Rick Santorum
8.62% (1456 votes) – Herman Cain
4.25% (718 votes) – Rick Perry (write-in)
3.36% (567 votes) – Mitt Romney
2.28% (385 votes) – Newt Gingrich
0.41% (69 votes) – Jon Huntsman
0.21% (35 votes) – Thaddeus McCotter

Ron Paul comes in 2nd, missing the Win by 152 votes!!

I can live with that, just glad the robot poster boy Romney got only 567 votes.

But I can't believe that the live coverage omitted Ron Paul from the slide show of the votes. Can anyone else see the sabotage that the media is doing? Or am I just going crazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JssVALbJdnc

Let's put aside the media coverage for a moment. The most unsettling thing here is, there is just no way to know whether this is an honest tally. We take on faith that the result of the Iowa Straw Poll is an honest tally. As little as 152 votes are huge as far as public perception goes. After investing so much in covering this election, as little as 152 votes allows the media some breathing room to spin the results however it serves their interests. Let's look at it: 152 votes is the difference between forging a bonafide front-runner narrative as opposed to ignoring the candidate altogether, as you have rightly observed (no, you are not crazy). If Ron Paul won this poll outright, he would have been almost impossible to ignore. They would have had to then play the "the straw poll is irrelevant" card, which still would have brought some attention to Ron Paul, albeit negative, which nonetheless runs the risk of backfiring the more people begin to examine his message.

A mere 153 votes changes the equation significantly.

I'm not suggesting the results are rigged. I'm just pointing out there is no way to know for sure, and its all so convenient that the slimmest of margins serves as such colossal leverage for spin.

[Martin]

I can say that here in Germany Ron Paul is mostly ignored or only briefly mentioned. No supprise though.

Martin

[Lifebringer]

Yeah, but the citizens united foreign donor branch of the republican voter base, don't want to face the truth about all the wars caused, in the last century, they want to also drag into 21 century.
The people around the world, that have not seen freedom that was promised are wide awake.
Ron Paul doctor, is a people's candidate, but Ron Paul capitalist, hasn't mentioned all the fraud that his party's deregulation caused in all the years, I've listened. I may have missed a few, but I have heard of his disdain for US intervention under any circumstances, even dictator murders. How's a doctor's heart feel like that? So there is the crux of the matter.

So maybe they haven't found that new republican that can hear the people, and bend with the awakening of the soul to compassion and peace. i hear his base has some KKK division in the mix, via his son.
I've seen their gun play tapes during the election. Looked like the fourth of July and civil war all in one. They lit up the sky just shooting their guns in a memorial park. So, what type of upbringing did he give his son to pass on?
There is crux #2.
The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Carmody]

Is there a thread on the 20% of elected representatives that went on week+ long junkets to Israel?

[Carmody]

I may have missed a few, but I have heard of his disdain for US intervention under any circumstances, even dictator murders. How's a doctor's heart feel like that? So there is the crux of the matter.


The paradox exists, due to not looking outside the issue, outside the known parameters. that is the only way that paradox can exist.

we all know how to solve these problems, if we were given access to the root information. Yet trillions of dollars of hardware and information cannot get it done.

This is paradox. thus there are things we don't know or are not privy to.

one is that technology that would end all of this is being purposely held back.

two, is that the representatives and the system is corrupt.

three, that people don't know what to do, they are too self absorbed or fearful of losing their position in life.

The answer is as Jefferson said, that you have to go to war, in the direct sense, in some inescapably overpowering way-- with your own ruling group. You have delayed in the facing of that truth for at least 60 years, and this has brought the current situation to this point of disaster.

For it is obvious that the aims of the background 'rulership' is well off from the desires and actual live survival of the general population. there are no rulers, that is an emotionally based hangover from being built on a monkey body. give that crap up.

the danger is that they play a game where they hide among those who wish to fix the situation and disarm them, or run them from the inside, it has become that bad.

No -one wants to face this. too bad, it is obvious that you are nearing a point of being inescapably up against the wall.

I don't generally ever talk politics as this current phase of global and national politics is past the point of no return, and is direct need of a total reset.

Everyone is going to have to make an effort to be directly involved in a total reset, otherwise it is not going to work.

concerning the USA(as an example, here), 200 years ago, it should have been made illegal to not vote. 10 year ago, it should have been made illegal to use computers to take or to tabulate official voting. The safest bet for true vote counts is still paper. any other angle introduced is GOING to be a scam for vote controls. it really is that simple. Innocence in politics went away long before the USA was ever formed.

USA: You had a good run, now you are screwed. The run only lasted for a few bits (here and there) of that 250 years, but such is life. Same for all the other countries out there.

In truth, you have to find a method of testing for sociopaths in society and remove them from having any capacity for any power or control over others in any way, shape or form.

In the same way you put the deranged in hospitals, the same fate awaits them. The hardware and the science to find them,to identify them, finally exists.

Part of it is that they've been using it, this hardware, these techniques, this knowledge base.... to program and sideline you.

Stretch your brain and get it around this.

Otherwise you are doomed to more of their crap, until you finally do wake up to this.

Until you begin with something like a 10+ million man march on the federal reserve, and Goldman Sachs, etc..you are doomed to repeat yourself in an endless loop of incomplete information and action.

bothering with politics is like watching cow turds dry and harden, covered with flies. it is totally meaningless and has nothing to do with the root problem or source of the issue.

Politics is a tool of the people behind it. it is public apparatus, a giant complex finger puppet, nothing more.

[Carmody]

Is there a thread on the 20% of elected representatives that went on week+ long junkets to Israel?

Let me put it this way. I encourage you to rally around Ron Paul.

But I would hope, at the same time, you understand that it is not Ron Paul, it is the apparatus that is critical. For Ron Paul will never be allowed to enter that office of the presidency. If he does, it will be with a running mate that is under TOTAL control, like some sort of Gerald Ford, waiting in the wings.

I spoke on the 20% of reps that went on Israeli junkets as I'm recalling the mind programing hardware from the CIA that can get people under it's initial spell (which is all they need) in as little as 2 seconds.


"Here, look at this", they say (when entering a room) and two seconds later, you've got the mind's door open and can create a subliminally controlled slave in little sessions, in that week long+ period. Or, just place the command to be susceptible for later use, when returned to the states.

It really is existent, this hardware... and it really is that easy. It is done with light and it is done through the eyes.

The moment I heard about the Israeli junkets as a potential issue, years ago, that is the first thing that came to mind.

Sociopathic narcissistic people are the easiest to control in this manner, they have the biggest egoic barriers in their minds and are thus the most controllable via these means.

This does not mean it is oh, all Israel, no, it comes from other connections as well. I just thought it incredibly odd that 20% of the US house of reps has some dang reason to ship themselves off to Israel.

If you don't think it is a very odd and glaring point that the 20% go to Israel, then I'm not sure you are cut out for this truth digging stuff.

One has to open their mind to things they don't want to exist, things that make you uncomfortable, things bigger than your reach, otherwise you will never get there.

It's tough slogging at first, but it must be done. Otherwise it will be the same incomplete loop for you, until you leave this planet.

:)

In this world, for the average man on the street, invoking the existing political structure as a way to freedom through conscious and aware voting... is like having sex with a rubber doll - hoping to have a child. Your fundamentals are all wrong.

[T Smith]

Is there a thread on the 20% of elected representatives that went on week+ long junkets to Israel?

Let me put it this way. I encourage you to rally around Ron Paul.

But I would hope, at the same time, you understand that it is not Ron Paul, it is the apparatus that is critical. For Ron Paul will never be allowed to enter that office of the presidency. If he does, it will be with a running mate that is under TOTAL control, like some sort of Gerald Ford, waiting in the wings.

I spoke on the 20% of reps that went on Israeli junkets as I'm recalling the mind programing hardware from the CIA that can get people under it's initial spell (which is all they need) in as little as 2 seconds.


"Here, look at this", they say (when entering a room) and two seconds later, you've got the mind's door open and can create a subliminally controlled slave in little sessions, in that week long+ period. Or, just place the command to be susceptible for later use, when returned to the states.

It really is existent, this hardware... and it really is that easy. It is done with light and it is done through the eyes.

The moment I heard about the Israeli junkets as a potential issue, years ago, that is the first thing that came to mind.

Sociopathic narcissistic people are the easiest to control in this manner, they have the biggest egoic barriers in their minds and are thus the most controllable via these means.

This does not mean it is oh, all Israel, no, it comes from other connections as well. I just thought it incredibly odd that 20% of the US house of reps has some dang reason to ship themselves off to Israel.

If you don't think it is a very odd and glaring point that the 20% go to Israel, then I'm not sure you are cut out for this truth digging stuff.

One has to open their mind to things they don't want to exist, things that make you uncomfortable, things bigger than your reach, otherwise you will never get there.

It's tough slogging at first, but it must be done. Otherwise it will be the same incomplete loop for you, until you leave this planet.

:)

In this world, for the average man on the street, invoking the existing political structure as a way to freedom through conscious and aware voting... is like having sex with a rubber doll - hoping to have a child. Your fundamentals are all wrong.

These are very good observations of the landscape from the rooftop. I would say those who bother with politics take a vantage of the streets through a ground-floor window.

From my view, Ron Paul represents a political awakening for the average man on the streets. This kind of awakening serves as a catalyst to find the stairs. Climbing the stairs is the first step to behold the broader scope necessary to achieve more creative solutions. One must first have a rudimentary understanding of the problem.

When one invokes the existing political structure as a way to freedom, the landscape you describe will eventually manifest before the average man on the street as he navigates the various cul de sacs, dead-ends, and road blocks. Embracing a rogue populist candidate who has risen through the political structure outside the control of TPTB allows the average man oblivious to the control structure to behold the man behind the curtain, so to speak, the closer his candidate gets to the White House. This process may be analogous to having sex with a rubber doll with the objective to conceive a child, but the important thing here, it would seem, is that one comes to the epiphany that she/he must copulate first in order to conceive.

[T Smith]

Yeah, but the citizens united foreign donor branch of the republican voter base, don't want to face the truth about all the wars caused, in the last century, they want to also drag into 21 century.
...Ron Paul capitalist, hasn't mentioned all the fraud that his party's deregulation caused in all the years, I've listened. I may have missed a few, but I have heard of his disdain for US intervention under any circumstances, even dictator murders. How's a doctor's heart feel like that? So there is the crux of the matter....



You have missed his view. But to quote him directly:

"We have a system of Corporatism, where Big Business and Government are partners and rip us off..." Ron Paul.

Ron Paul incessantly maintains a passionate disdain for fraud and for a perverse brand of capitalism (namely fascism) that most confuse with a broader understanding of all forms of capitalism. Also, the major deregulation that ushered in the current fiscal crisis was the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was technically done when the executive branch was occupied by the Democrat Party (not that there is any real difference between the parties)... but just to clarify.

Ron Paul would call himself a free-market capitalist, but this view represents a type of economy we have not seen in the United States or elsewhere for over a hundred years; we are not free-market capitalist society. I believe you are wrongly mistaking the word "capitalist" for "fascist" in your post above.

In any case, Ron Paul is no fascist.

[giovonni]

Bachmann Rigged Iowa Poll by Buying "At Least" 4000 Votes http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/08/bachmann%20corndog.jpg
http://www.domasjefferson.com/news/bachmann-rigged-iowa-poll-by-buying-at-least-4000-votes

[Bare Feet & Quiet Heart]

giovanni,

Are you commenting on the being submissive to her husband question? ;)

I think she won the debate. However, it's way too early to declare a final winner.

[giovonni]

giovanni,

Are you commenting on the being submissive to her husband question? ;)

I think she won the debate. However, it's way too early to declare a final winner.

Greetings BFQH
i guess i kinda left myself open with that post picture... :rolleyes:
But i have some serious doubts about Ms. Bachmann's ability to weather (survive) the vigorous campaigning process for the U.S. presidency - without causing serious damage to her personal health and well being ?

What doctors have to say about Bachmann's migraines
Candidate says migraines wouldn't affect her as president; expert says they could be 'huge problem' ...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43826715/ns/health-health_care/t/what-doctors-have-say-about-bachmanns-migraines/

As far as the husband question - that is a non-issue in my opinion and should never have been asked...though i think the above picture should of also been avoided (by her campaign managing staff)... Note - it only leaves her wide open for cheap shots > which (believe it or not) i was not trying to do here... but i do believe many others will most likely not forget and will continue to haunt her candidate bid...In my opinion she will be a big target
Note - remember this famous photo and what it did to this person's presidential bid...
Micheal Dukakis with a dopey grin and a huge helmet aboard a tank was turned into an ad ridiculing him as soft on defense. ...
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPiHsUlTb0wrkgq6cspmbEiE7Wwe2kSffF3zLxPm3n9o6DNSDLvg

[giovonni]

Perhaps Ms Bachmann is playing us ? :attention:

On The "Submissive" Question

By Adam Serwer | Posted 08/12/2011
http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=08&year=2011&base_name=on_the_submissive_question

[Bare Feet & Quiet Heart]

giovanni,

In my opinion, Michele Bachmann is a very intelligent woman. I, too, thought when the stories about her migraines came out, that would cripple her most of all. The same when stories about Chris Christie's asthma were published - if he decides to run.

It's too early yet to know.

Still, she knows how to debate, govern, and campaign. That's a mighty strong trinity.
I think she won the debate, but I don't think she'll be the party's winning candidate.

And I love that picture. So many comments are flitting through my mind, but I'm afraid to post them here!

[risveglio]

Dream ticket for humanity would be Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.

I still like Jesse Ventura as the vice pres... they would be unstoppable. Too bad Paul has to run as a republican to have a chance and Ventura has said he will only run on the independent ticket. But Nader would be a great second choice.

I am hearing he may run as a Libertarian. The Libertarian Party has not picked a candidate and the whispers are they are waiting to see if Paul gets the nomination. The big L and little l libertarians don't agree on everything but he would be their best shot.

[daledo]

Excellent interview from 8/16/11
The man asks questions from everyday citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47dqNrf7J-M

"We got a big charge out of the headline that said, 'Bachmann in first place, Pawlenty in third.' They essentially forgot about us," Paul told Eyewitness News reporter Tom Abrahams in an exclusive sit-down interview.

Paul is not your typical presidential candidate, and that's exactly what his supporters like about him.

Some might call Texas Congressman Ron Paul the other Texan in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, especially after last weekend when he finished second in the Iowa Straw Poll on Saturday afternoon. But then he decided to fly home to Lake Jackson that night because he says nobody from a television network was interested in interviewing him.

This is not Ron Paul's first rodeo. He's run for president before.

When we asked Paul why he wants to be president, he replied, "That's a pretty darn good question. My main goal is that the views I express and the economists I follow have answers."

But even he was surprised at the lack of media attention he got after finishing a close second to Iowa Straw Poll winner Michelle Bachmann.

"Yeah, I'm disappointed because most of us like to see that we get credit for some achievements and I personally believe that we did have an achievement and it reflected good organization," said Rep. Paul.

He wasn't the only one who noticed. But Paul says what matters most is that he thinks his message is resonating with voters. Last quarter, he raised more money than any Republican candidate other than Mitt Romney.

"I am convinced personally that the views I express are the views that the majority of the American people want. And that the other candidates can't quite say it," Paul told us. "They can't come down hard on our useless expansionary militarism around the world and all the money we're wasting there. They don't talk about the Federal Reserve. They don't have a full expression of personal liberties and what's happening at airports -- invasion of our privacy."

And Paul says, regardless of media attention or the lack of it, he can win the nomination and beat President Obama head to head.

"Obviously I think so or I wouldn't run," Paul said.

[daledo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Eaps1FAEo


Jerry Day eloquently examines the Media Blackout against Ron Paul. The charts and figures he uses are from the 2008 election. Ron Paul's internet popularity has surged in recent years and even though I have not gone into google trends to see the current data (mostly because I would be really pi$$ed off) I can assure that you will find more videos about Ron Paul than any other candidate and that the mainstream media is deliberately ignoring him compared to their "top tier 3" bought and paid for cronies who will promise the world like Obama and deliver the same old song and dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2R_2AH4uu8

[Lord Sidious]

If america has a democratic process, then you guys are in deep doodoo.
Let me say again, it is meant to be a republic, not a democracy.
That should sound warning sirens all over.