Alternative 3, 1977

[The One]

Recent whistle-blowers have come forward and given renewed credence to the myth of "ALTERNATIVE-THREE," that planet Mars is being populated by scientists and prepared as a SURVIVAL COLONY in the face of imminent catastrophic events that will decimate the population of planet Earth. Get the facts about this amazing and enduring story.

Remember at 2.30 in there is a "statement" dictating that this could be viewed as many things and enjoyed as such.



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[The One]

Remember this

Docu-drama made in 1977,shown on April 1st of that year although taken as True by some! The plot is intriguing however and in some respects very prescient.

Alternative 3 is a television programme, broadcast once only in the United Kingdom in 1977, and later broadcast in Australia and New Zealand, as a fictional hoax, an heir to Orson Welles' radio production of The War of the Worlds. Purporting to be an investigation into the UK's contemporary "brain drain", Alternative 3 uncovered a plan to make the moon and Mars habitable in the event of climate change and a terminal environmental catastrophe on Earth.

The programme was originally meant to be broadcast on April Fools Day, 1977. While its broadcast was delayed until June by industrial action, the credits explicitly date the film to April 1. Alternative 3 ended with credits for the actors involved in the production and featured interviews with a fictitious American astronaut.

In the late 1970s the UK's Anglia Television ran a weekly science series, Science Report. The final episode of the series was allegedly due to have been broadcast on April 1, and as the series was not due to be recommissioned, the production team may have decided to produce a spoof edition for April Fool's Day, which was duly written by Chris Miles and David Ambrose but retained the series' format and presenter. Music was supplied by Brian Eno, a portion of his score being released on the 1978 album Music for Films.

The episode began by detailing the so-called "brain drain:" a number of mysterious disappearances and deaths of physicists, engineers, astronomers, and others in related fields. Among the strange deaths reported was that of one "Professor Ballantine" of Jodrell Bank. Before his death, Ballantine delivers a videotape to an academic friend, but when viewed on an ordinary videotape machine the only result is radio static.

According to the research presented in the episode, it was hypothesized that the missing scientists were involved in a secret American/Soviet plan in outer space, and further suggested that interplanetary space travel had been possible for much longer than was commonly accepted. The episode featured an Apollo astronaut "Bob Grodin" (played by Shane Rimmer) who claims to have stumbled on a mysterious lunar base during his moonwalk.

It was claimed that scientists had determined that the Earth's surface would be unable to support life for much longer, due to pollution leading to catastrophic climate change. Physicist "Dr Carl Gerstein" (played by Richard Marner) claimed to have proposed in 1957 that there were three alternatives to this problem. The first alternative was the drastic reduction of the human population on Earth. The second alternative was the construction vast underground shelters to house government officials and a cross section of the population until the climate had stabilised, a solution reminiscent of the finale of Dr Strangelove. The third alternative, the so-called "Alternative 3," was to populate Mars via a way station on the Moon.

The programme ends with some detective work; acting on information from Grodin, the reporters determine that Ballantine's videotape requires a special decoding device. After locating such a device, the resulting video turns out to depict a landing on the Martian surface â in 1962! As Russian and American voices excitedly celebrate their achievement, something stirs beneath the Martian soil.....

The programme was made with stock film used at the time to make it appear like any other episode of Science Report. In a 1989 interview, actor Richard Marner (Dr Carl Gerstein) said he didn't rehearse his lines to make the delivery appear as natural as possible.

Within minutes of the programme ending, Anglia Television was flooded with telephone calls demanding more information. Callers were told the programme was a hoax. The Times on 21 June reported that "Independent television companies last night received hundreds of protest calls after an Anglia program, Alternative 3, gave alarming facts about changes in the earthâs atmosphere. It was a hoax, originally intended for April 1st." It also pointed out that several of the character in the programme were played by well known actors.

Nick Austin, who was editorial director of Sphere Books when Watkins' adaptation was commissioned and published, writes that the book was the "best chance Iâd ever be likely to get to participate in a hoax of truly Guy Grand proportions â the best thing of its kind since Orson Welles' War of the Worlds radio broadcast."

Austin writes that he was both delighted and disturbed by the Alternative 3 controversy, and adds that the reasons "a clever hoax, openly admitted to be such by its creators, should continue to exercise the fascination it so obviously does the best part of a generation after its first appearance is beyond my feeble powers of analysis and explanation." [1]

An article by Loy Lawhon reports that "everyone involved with the Alternative 3 documentary admits that it was fiction(.)" [2]

One unsourced account reports that the producers of Alternative 3 "announced that the entire thing had been a joke." [3]

A more detailed explanation of the hoax is featured in a study of conspiracy theory subculture and literature, Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America (2003), wherein Michael Barkun devotes a few pages to Alternative 3.

Barkun writes that "Alternative 3 was clearly a hoax â and not only because it was intended for broadcast on April Fools Day. The interviews with supposed scientists, astronauts, and others were far too dramatically polished to have been spontaneous, and in any case, the episode's closing credits named the actors who took the roles of interviewees and correspondents. Though artfully produced, the show's counterfeit documentary style could scarcely have been expected to fool many. As an Anglia TV spokeseman put it, 'We felt viewers would be fairly sophisticated about it.'"

Bakun notes that television and newspapers were "swamped" with inquiries about Alternative 3 and that Anglia Television's sale of the book rights to Leslie Watkins caused the tale to spread far beyond the United Kingdom.

In 1978, Leslie Watkins wrote a science fiction book based on the screenplay for the television episode. Watkins had previously written a few moderately successful "suspense thriller" novels, and his Alternative 3 novelization detailed many of the claims presented in the episode. It was published by Sphere Books Ltd, of Grays's Inn Road, London. In the book, many of the fictional characters were replaced with real people. For example, quotes from the fictional astronaut Bob Grodin were attributed to real life astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Edgar Mitchell.

Jim Keith's Casebook on Alternative 3: Ufo's, Secret Societies and World Control (Illuminet Pr) ISBN 0-9626534-9-7, argues that some elements of the 1977 broadcast were in fact true.

Ken Mitchell's novel, Alternative 3 (HarperCollins) ISBN 0-7322-7703-5 uses the Alternative 3 scenario as a background to a techo thriller

On June 20, 2010, the 33rd anniversary of the original Anglia Television broadcast, an allegedly "unexpurgated" edition of the Alternative 3 text was released as an eBook.

Bakun notes that Alternative 3 and the intermittent availability of Watkins' book "lent itself to conspiracist interpretations," and though Alternative 3 did not mention UFOs or extraterrestrials, many of the plans mentioned in Alternative 3 have been featured in later assorted conspiracy theories. Bakun argues that Alternative 3 was important in that its "role in the growth of conspiracy theory lay in a later permutation" related to UFOs and the UFO conspiracy theory. Milton William Cooper, for one, featured similar tales in some of his writings.

An episode of Dimension X featured a plot very similar to the later Alternative 3: On the 14 July 1950 episode "The Man In the Moon", an employee of the fictional United States "Bureau of Missing Persons" overhears a radio broadcast from a man who claims to be held prisoner on the moon. The employee investigates, and uncovers the kidnapping of many persons, including scientists and engineers, who are then forced to toil on the moon by German overseers, who had colonized the moon in the late 1930s, and who are preparing an invasion and takeover of the earth. In turn, the movie Iron Sky also tells the story of Nazi moon bases and a planned Earth invasion

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[Lord Sidious]

As we know, they put fact into works of ''fiction'' for us to see.
Check this example out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tenth_Planet

[panopticon]

G'day The One,

Yeah I remember this oldie.
I was only thinking about it the other day and was gong to drag out my copy to have a gitsy at again.

@LS: Nothing like a bit of Doctor Who to brighten up my night either. Thanks for that (though I admit a preference for Tom Baker). Nice how the cyber men story developed. Time changes stories as perspectives shift. Space just gets bigger and bigger in syfy, now cyber men are from much farther away! Having the cyber men come from this solar system just sounds "so last century". :eyebrows:

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[KiwiElf]

Awesome! "Alternative 3" the blueprint for Agenda 21? Scarily similar

[KiwiElf]

Alternative 3 - Mars Coverup Exposed - UFOTV

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A video essay by Jim Nichols, from UFOTV®, - What is "ALTERNATIVE-3?" Recent whistle-blowers have come forward and given renewed credence to the "urban myth" of "ALTERNATIVE-3," that planet Mars has and is being populated by the elite, scientists and prepared as a SURVIVAL COLONY in the face of near future catastrophic climate events that will decimate the population of planet Earth.

Get new insights about this amazing and enduring story. Featuring evidence from Andrew Basiago, Laura Eisenhower, Phil Schneider, William Cooper and others.
Uploaded to YT on Jun 24, 2011

The full version of the original Science Report "Alternative 3" - broadcast once only in the United Kingdom in 1977 - is here:

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[panopticon]

Wikipedia article on 'Alternative 3':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3

Also from Bibliotecapleyades:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZJ01.htm

[ghostrider]

Billy Meier did take photos of mars in 1970 and the satelite orbiting mars had an american flag on it. We were never told about that by Nasa.

[Mulder]

You're right: Alternative 3 is real & alternatives 1 and 2 have also been tried - e.g. the hole in the ozone layer over Australia/NZ resulted from Alternative 1: use of nuclear devices to blow holes in the stratosphere from which the heat and pollution could escape into space!

[uzn]

US / Russian joint venture

I uploaded it on Youtube and it got quite small and compressed. Anyhow enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8gnKkXDxZs

[Bill Ryan]

US / Russian joint venture

I uploaded it on Youtube and it got quite small and compressed. Anyhow enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8gnKkXDxZs


Well, you might consider changing the title and text so that it's 100% accurate... not actually a documentary, but a 'mockumentary'.

The clip is an extract from the 1977 UK TV 'Science Report' Program Alternative 3, and was a spoof (albeit one with a LOT of truth in it). It's not a video of any real event.

There are a couple of Avalon threads about this, and also lots of other individual posts if one searches for them:


Alternative 3, 1977 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27740-Alternative-3-1977)
Alternative 3 - Mars Coverup Exposed - UFOTV (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54010-Alternative-3-Mars-Coverup-Exposed-UFOTV)

The entire (very interesting) TV program can be seen here, and the 'Mars Landing' clip is right in there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNFzBVKqyE

There's also a book (by Leslie Watkins) of the same name, adapted from the screenplay from the TV program (which was originally intended to be aired on April Fools' Day, but was then rescheduled for later). Watkins soon came to realize that he and his colleagues had accidentally stumbled on what seemed to be some profound, highly classified truths.

Here is his very interesting public statement about this:

http://projectavalon.net/a3.jpg

[uzn]

Hi Bill i changed the Title in the Post but the name of the thread is still the old one.

[Anchor]

uzn, you need to ask a moderator to do it for you.

[Chakra]

Well isn't this interesting - a 'fictional' book and TV series, surrounded in mystery and intrigue, even a suspicious death.

Docudrama (possibly?) in design one is left to wonder how much really was fiction. :idea:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSDBl0FMX0s

[Chakra]

This is good too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKAyH6_96oQ

Evidence of a Secret Colony on Mars has sparked the interest of UFO Researchers around the world. Recent whistle-blower revelations from President Eisenhower's great granddaughter and others give renewed credence to the evidence that planet Mars is being prepared as a SURVIVAL COLONY in the face of imminent catastrophic events that may decimate the population of planet Earth. This film presents the best evidence available that there is indeed Life on Mars and that life is us. Get the facts in this documentary from the celebrated, award winning researcher/illustrator/filmmaker of 14 wildly popular UFO films here on UFOTV® including "The UFO Alien Cyborg Invasion," "UFO Secrets of the 3rd Reich: The Aldebaran Mystery 1 & 2," "Ancient Alien Mystery: Nibiru 1,2 & 3," "The Day After UFO Disclosure," "UFOs, Kennedy, Nixon and the Alien Presence," "UFOs Atomic Bombs and the Quest for Power," "The Aeon of Horus 1 & 2," "Ancient Alien Mystery: Rise of the Anunnaki," "Secret Societies and Flying Saucers," "Ancient Alien Mystery of the Archons," and "Alternative 3: The Secret Mars Colony."

[KiwiElf]

This has been posted (as separate threads) several times already - put "Alternative 3" in the search engine at the top right of the page (with the quotes), to get heaps of related info :)






Mod edit from Bill: Thanks, yes, 5 existing threads merged. :thumbsup:

[KiwiElf]

Also a book by the author (and same title), which is downloadable here on Avalon as a PDF - well worth the read to accompany the video :)

[Chakra]

This has been posted (as separate threads) several times already - put "Alternative 3" in the search engine at the top right of the page (with the quotes), to get heaps of related info :)


Actually I did do a search before I posted - I do that with every post - oddly it didn't show up.

[KiwiElf]

It wasn't intended as a criticism Chakra, more a pointer to much more info (perhaps even more than Bill has merged) on the subject. (you do need to put the quotation marks around the search tho :)), ie "Alternative 3".

It was a revolutionary, valid & important topic then, and quite possibly even more so now with the emerging data concerning the SSP (Secret Space Program) etc. Quite possibly, there are many new members who have never heard of it... it is after all, 40 years old! (I'm old enough to remember it being televised in NZ! It caused quite a bit of chaos here, with distraught viewers blocking the phone lines and made front page News, (all under the context of an "April Fools Joke" - it was broadcast here in NZ on 1st April, 1977)! ;) :sherlock:

So, it's good you've "revitalised" it :bigsmile:

EDIT: For anyone interested, there was/is a very high resolution torrent (1.6 GB MKV format) of the original "mocumentary" on PirateBay - (not sure if they're even still operating) ;)

[Bill Ryan]

This has been posted (as separate threads) several times already - put "Alternative 3" in the search engine at the top right of the page (with the quotes), to get heaps of related info :)


Actually I did do a search before I posted - I do that with every post - oddly it didn't show up.

A small helpful note (I hope): The way I found the existing threads was to use Advanced Search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) (not the regular one, which is very limited)

http://projectavalon.net/FAQ_images/Advanced_Search.gif

... and then search for [ "Alternative 3" ] as a title, with the inverted commas in place to show the search term is the whole intact phrase.

This was useful, because I found several threads dating back to 2011 — but to my surprise, they'd each only had a small handful of posts. The fascinating topic certainly deserves a little more air time, as KiwiElf said:
So, it's good you've "revitalised" it

:focus:

[scotslad]

A Hoax, April Fool or a "real" event?
Thoughts and comments please on this supposed Mars landing May 22 1962

Cheers.

[Bill Ryan]

A Hoax, April Fool or a "real" event?
Thoughts and comments please on this supposed Mars landing May 22 1962

Cheers.

(Merged with an existing thread.)

It was a fictional 'mockumentary'. But the author, Leslie Watkins, did state publicly that after the event, he was really intrigued by how much of what he had genuinely invented may actually have been true. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27740-Alternative-3-1977&p=1052377&viewfull=1#post1052377) (and all the others).

[Bob]

For everyone's perusal here is a PDF of letters between Robert Sheaffer and Gray Barker (of Saucerian Press). Barker was a legend and publisher, he provided me my original copies of Alternative 3 (Gray gave me his own dog-eared copy), as well as Case for the UFO, the Varo Edition.

Page 1 contains a very very brief dialog about Alternative 3, and please do check on the comments (yellow callouts) in your PDF file opener, they show interesting details..

PS - this is a great compilation of some of the "inner workings" of the original UFO researchers and their experiences, and dialogue back and forth.

Well worth downloading and taking the time to follow along..


https://www.debunker.com/historical/GrayBarkerPapers.pdf

https://www.debunker.com/historical/GrayBarkerPapers.pdf

Note: To open the callouts, popout and open the PDF file in your PDF viewer program where it can be seen in its entirety.

Scheaffer's review of Alt 3 is here: http://debunker.com/texts/alternative3.html


ALTERNATIVE 3
by Leslie Watkins, David Ambrose and Christopher Miles. New York: Avon Books, 1979.

Can a book be banned from sale in the United States? Well- known UFOlogist Gray Barker [died 1984] claims in his regular column in UFO Review (June, 1979) that this one was. The book's thesis that the end of life on earth is coming, and that only the elite of the world can be rescued, is purportedly too shocking for the government to permit the book's release.

"I'm not going to risk trouble by trying to get a copy," Barker shudders (although after I effortlessly obtained a copy of the original British edition, no "Men In Black" came pounding on my door).

An American edition of Alternative 3 is available now. It is not difficult to see why the government might want to suppress the book, if what it says is true. East/West tensions are a deliberate fraud, it says, a smokescreen thrown up to divert attention from the real danger now reportedly facing the world.

The eco-alarmists are right, the authors contend: the world is now facing certain extinction due to an accelerating runaway greenhouse effect resulting from the buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the combustion of fossil fuels.

Alternative 1 was supposedly discussed by an elite panel of end-of-the-world brainstormers, and rejected as being impractical and hazardous: using a series of nuclear explosions to "punch holes" in the supposed envelope of carbon dioxide.

Alternative 2 - moving the elite of mankind to live in underground cities - was also rejected as impractical and undesirable.

That leaves us with Alternative 3: transporting the world's intellectual and governmental elite off the earth completely, using the moon as a way-station in the colonization, and eventual terraforming, of Mars.

The technology to accomplish this is alleged to already be in existence: the space program as we know it is said to be just a diversion from the real space effort, a joint US/USSR venture, which is far more advanced than everyone has been led to believe.

A lunar colony is claimed to already exist, managed by the elite "designated movers," where a corps of de-sexed, lobotomized slaves, tactlessly called "batch consignments," performs all of the manual labor.

It is difficult for the casual reader to know what to make of Alternative 3. The book purports to be non-fictional (the British edition carries the categorization "World Affairs/ Speculation"), an adaptation of a supposedly earth-shaking TV documentary produced by Anglia TV. It is filled with references to real persons and real events.

Otto Binder did make wild claims about weird objects that the astronauts supposedly sighted in space. Gerard O'Neill [died 1992] did make headlines with his advocacy of space colonies (the US/USSR conspirators are said to have debated whether Professor O'Neill should be done away with, since he knows so much: "not necessary," they decided.

I wonder if he realizes how close to death he came!) We find references to Senator Edward Kennedy, astronauts Mitchell, Aldrin and Armstrong (as well as a fictitious moon-walker named "Grodin"), UFOlogist Dr. David Saunders and many others. We find many apparently authentic quotes from newspapers and magazines.

Yet the book is obviously a novel. The dialogue is too contrived, and the protagonists' slam-bang uncovering of layer after layer or treachery and conspiracy is typical of low-grade spy novels.

Can anyone truly convince himself that top American and Soviet officials meet regularly in docking submarines beneath the arctic ice cap to review conspiracy developments, and that the transcript of their ultra-secret deliberations would read like this?

American 2: I told you we should have killed that guy Gerstein . . . way back in February . . . I said that he was dangerous . . .
Russian 4: My friend is right . . . he did say that. And I pointed out that Gerstein's talk could start a panic among the masses . . .
A 8: . . . and I propose an expediency.
A 2: Seconded.
R 8: Those in favour? . . . then that is unanimous. The method?
A 3: How about a telepathic sleep job . . . maybe with a gun.
R 8: that seems sensible . . . it's too soon after Ballantine for another hot job.
Gray Barker devoted a full column to the book because of information received from an unnamed Major so-and-so.

(The hints Barker drops appear to be chosen to make us immediately conclude "The Major" to be former NICAP director Major Keyhoe. But it is not. It is a different retired Major [Wayne Aho], living on the West coast, not nearly as well-known as Keyhoe, who has long been associated with Adamski-style contactees.)

The Major attempted to buy one hundred copies of Alternative 3 from the Canadian publishing firm or Thomas Nelson & Sons. Jim Gifford, the manager of the paperback division, informed the Major that the order could not be filled because, in his ill-chosen phrase, "the above title has been banned from sale in the United States."

The Major apparently sent a copy of this letter to Barker, who picked up the football and ran a hundred yards, charging that this book was suppressed in the U.S. because it was embarrassing to the authorities, and that the "space program is a hoax" movie, Capricorn One, was canned prematurely, supposedly for the same reason.

Since, however, the full letterhead of Thomas Nelson & Sons is reproduced in the Barker piece, I wrote to Gifford asking if Alternative 3 really was banned in the United States. He replied that it is unfortunate that Barker did not contact him before rushing off to print, as it would have saved considerable embarrassment on both their behalfs!

The reason the book was supposedly "banned" in the U.S. , he explained, was that Avon Books had purchased the U.S. paperback rights. Had the Canadian firm filled the Major's order, it faced the risk of a whopping lawsuit from Avon Books.

But are the startling claims of Alternative 3 true? How do we explain the interviews with whistle-blowers, the tie-in with missing persons, the clues to allegedly mysterious deaths of prominent persons? Our British readers already know the answer: April Fool! As reported in The Times of London on June 21, 1977, the day after the TV version was presented, "Independent television companies last night received hundreds of protest calls after an Anglia programme, Alternative 3, giving alarming "facts" about changes in the earth's atmosphere.

It was a hoax, originally intended for April 1."

Reporter Alan Coren observed that "the year's worst kept secret was that Alternative 3 was a spoof . . . if you know that 'a hoax is a hoax, how can you possibly attack it for lacking authenticity?"

He suggested that had he not been in on the "secret" in advance, while the total preposterousness of the story itself might not have deterred belief, the acting was so unconvincing as to remove all doubt.

It seems that we Americans, who almost never read the British press and whose own media have said virtually nothing about this matter, are having our credulity tested by the promoters of Alternative 3.

Some of us have already risen to the occasion, mustering credulity above and beyond the call of duty: Major A., Gray Barker (the first to write a book about the supposedly mysterious "Men In Black," whose existence has now been swallowed by Hynek, Vallee, Keel, Clark and many others), as well as Timothy Green Beckley, editor of UFO Review. Don't be the next to bite the hook.

The marketing of Alternative 3 represents a real-world test of the old adage that a fool and his money are soon parted.



Now and then, One can see in conspiracy articles across the Internet bits and pieces of the "scenarios" depicted in the book. Moon-bases, Mars, psycho-surgery to make "drones", etc.. Can we assume it is quite possible, or more than likely, that many if not all of these "programs" were based in the release of the movie and book? If it seems to resonate with someone, quite possibly one could confabulate (https://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/confabulation/) all of the rest of the dialog and 'experiences'..

[pueblo]

Looks like there has just been a volcanic eruption on Mars...either that or someone is up to some serious (nuclear?) terraforming...

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[Bob]

referencing the above post, to clarify:


Certain corners of YouTube, Twitter and the rest of the internet are heating up over some recent images sent back by Mars orbiters that appear to show a plume of clouds emanating from Arsia Mons, a large volcano on the surface of the Red Planet.

But the science community would like you to know that those clouds are a lot more icy than smoky and there is definitely not a volcanic eruption occurring on our neighboring planet right now.

"These are ice-rich clouds over the summit of Arsia Mons," NASA wrote of an image captured by the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft last month.

Some images taken just last week by the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter (above) really do resemble a plume of smoke something like what we saw when earth-orbiting satellites pointed their cameras at Hawaii's Kilauea volcano earlier this year.

But the reality is that it's been at least 10 million years since the formidable Arsia Mons erupted. It must have been a pretty remarkable eruption, too, as the volcano is an incredible 270 miles wide and 12 miles high. Mauna Loa, Earth's largest volcano, is only 6.3 miles high and 75 miles across.

ref: Mars Odyssey - https://mars.nasa.gov/odyssey/mission/overview/ The design of this spacecraft's sensors is to detect water and ice. Maps of hydrogen distribution led scientists to discover vast amounts of water ice in the polar regions buried just beneath the surface.

Odyssey also recorded the radiation environment in low Mars orbit to determine the radiation-related risk to any future human explorers.

The three primary instruments carried by 2001 Mars Odyssey are:


THEMIS (Thermal Emission Imaging System), for determining the distribution of minerals, particularly those that can only form in the presence of water;
GRS (Gamma Ray Spectrometer), for determining the presence of 20 chemical elements on the surface of Mars, including hydrogen in the shallow subsurface (which acts as a proxy for determining the amount and distribution of possible water ice on the planet); and,
MARIE (Mars Radiation Environment Experiment), for studying the radiation environment.


Mars Express orbiter - https://mars.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/present/express/


The mission's main objective is to search for sub-surface water from orbit. Seven scientific instruments on the orbiting spacecraft have conducted rigorous investigations to help answer fundamental questions about the geology, atmosphere, surface environment, history of water, and potential for life on Mars.

Orbiter scientific payload


Surface/subsurface instruments
HRSC (High Resolution Stereo Camera)
OMEGA (Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer)
MARSIS (Sub-surface Sounding Radar Altimeter)


Atmosphere and plasma instruments


PFS (Planetary Fourier Spectrometer)
SPICAM (Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer)
ASPERA (Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyser)
MaRS (Mars Radio Science Experiment)
Visual Monitoring Camera (VMC)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It was a fictional 'mockumentary'. But the author, Leslie Watkins, did state publicly that after the event, he was really intrigued by how much of what he had genuinely invented may actually have been true.

Sounds like a typical case of fact being mixed with fiction until people can't tell which is which anymore. That's probably the biggest reason I finally lost interest in these kinds of stories, unless they have lots of footnotes to back them up. You can't take anything on faith these days, sadly, though many people still seem to feel very comfortable doing so.

Seeing "The One" as a thread author is a blast from the past. I had to do a double-take to make sure I was posting on the right forum. I guess somewhere, deep in the cobwebs of the Internet, a forum still exists where 20 self-congratulatory moderators gloat over the 3 or 4 active members they have remaining.

[Laurel]

I guess somewhere, deep in the cobwebs of the Internet, a forum still exists where 20 self-congratulatory moderators gloat over the 3 or 4 active members they have remaining.

That's really harsh :thumbsdown:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

That's really harsh :thumbsdown:

It stings because it's true. For you to even know what I'm talking about must mean you're one of the 3 or 4 still posting there huh? So they'll be adding you to their thought police next huh? :P

Actually, I did hear that Turiya moved over there. I wish him luck, but I give him two or three months max before Aragorn's tolerance of opposing view points runs out, and he drops his authoritarian ban hammer. I would have warned him if I knew he was leaving here. I laughed out loud when I heard that he went over there. I can hear Aragorn's mental gears grinding from here. :ROFL:

[Hazelfern]

That's really harsh :thumbsdown:

It stings because it's true. For you to even know what I'm talking about must mean you're one of the 3 or 4 still posting there huh? So they'll be adding you to their thought police next huh? :P

Actually, I did hear that Turiya moved over there. I wish him luck, but I give him two or three months max before Aragorn's tolerance of opposing view points runs out, and he drops his authoritarian ban hammer. I would have warned him if I knew he was leaving here. I laughed out loud when I heard that he went over there. I can hear Aragorn's mental gears grinding from here. :ROFL:

Your response to Laurel is just plain rude.

[Bob]

Ah, what was our topic in this thread again?

I don't think it matters that a former member asked the first questions on Alt3

Some of the points about DUMBs (deep underground military bases) seems like a potential as one of the alternatives

Was Leslie offering an insight about those for instance?

We've seen dialog about something is up on the moon. (US) hasn't gone back because ? , but China says it's happy to do that.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

We've seen dialog about something is up on the moon. (US) hasn't gone back because ? , but China says it's happy to do that.

All theater, bread and circuses for the masses.

They'll never show what we went to the Moon in, because it doesn't use rocket fuel. You know what I'm talking about, Bob.

Technology that doesn't use fossil fuel = collapse of probably the biggest sector of the world economy outside of banking: energy.

The global energy market will have to be gently moved out of the way before that kind of transformative technology can be released to the public.

All the fanciful stories they spin around the old lunar landing narrative is Corey Goode tier stuff.

[Bob]

Kinda makes one wonder about disclosure doesn't it? There is another thread started that says China and Russia are going to make it known to the world (!) all that is hidden, disclosing everything.. Circus most definitely. But that's not how China works - in that thread there are links to articles describing methods that China uses to control, manipulate, and none of them (the manipulative techniques) really deal with actually revealing everything - China uses the convenience of the psyop maneuver. Tell the masses what they want to hear and find the apologists, or sympathisers who want to "believe" this or that, the candy-merry-go-round rather than the murderous facts of strategic manipulation.. Another arms race? Naw, a mental triggering of very very well done programming of the 60's - luv baby.. It's all there just waiting to activate.. Press this or that button and the "cpu" does what its been triggered to react to.



Sounds like a typical case of fact being mixed with fiction until people can't tell which is which anymore. That's probably the biggest reason I finally lost interest in these kinds of stories, unless they have lots of footnotes to back them up. You can't take anything on faith these days, sadly, though many people still seem to feel very comfortable doing so.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Anything that China says like that, that has international political ramifications, should be interpreted as Chinese foreign relations. My guess is that it is a form of leverage. "We will make announcements that will undermine what you are doing re: the Space Force..." etc.

When Trump was elected, the thing that worried me the most was China. Because our most powerful adversary, who ultimately has the most to lose from a Trump presidency, is authoritarian China. I'm surprised things have been as cordial as they are now, but we have some smart ex-military and intelligence people saying that war with China in the next 10 years or so is very likely. I think China feels the same way and is building up their military right now. But either way, they certainly have lots of different forms of leverage they can use against us, and what you are describing, Bob, just sounds like the threat of more public mass manipulation as a form of leverage, and taking control of a narrative.


Btw, I just had the same realization about Russia recently. Russia certainly knew that 9/11 was an inside job, so why didn't they say anything? Or Iran? Or North Korea? Of course Iran did later suggest that 9/11 was an inside job, but you see, they didn't do it quickly. All of these people held their cards close to their chest and used their knowledge, and their ability to expose things, as leverage in negotiations. This is how the big power brokers play ball internationally. They guard each others' secrets to the extent that they can get something out of it in return.

[amor]

I just want to add to the above-mentioned movie about Alternative 1, 2 and 3 some more insight. When I read this book a very long time ago, I seem to remember that the Mars venture via the Moon was between the Germans and the USA, not the Russians. Germany it appears from information elsewhere, which I believe, has colonized far reaches of our Galaxy and, in the early 1960's Mars, via the Moon. I remember reading about their "batch consignments" referring to human slaves to be used for labor on Mars, who, because of arduous conditions only lived 15 years more. Children were also sent to Mars as child-bearing there was unsuccessful. The story I read spoke of one of the German pilots who disagreed with this agenda and who found a way to sabotage the operation, returning to Earth to infiltrate and sabotage space operations from their origin on Earth. It was obvious to me that after the book, "Alternative 3" was written, it showed so much evil that the PTB would not allow it to be published except under the heading of Science Fiction. As we read even today, human abductions by space aliens with the consent of the Government has continued since then. When I read it, I knew instantly that EVERY WORD WAS TRUE and still believe it has and IS HAPPENING; and I really don't give a hoot what others think about that.