Need help with demonic dream interpretation. All responses welcome.

[Heyoka_11]

Hello Avalonians,

My dream recollection recently (the past year) has been real ordinary. The only ones that I am remembering are the spooky ones, and they are tending to wake me up, with complete recall in a short period of time. It's just coming up to three in the morning, and here's what I dreamt.

I was with the group of friends that I used to hang out with at high school, and I was grilling them over our having lost two of our number in the previous six months to abduction by an extremely powerful demon. OK, I know physical abduction by a non-physical entity shouldn't happen, but in the dream it did.

I was angry with the group because no one had attempted to rescue them, and was trying to convince them to "do a circle", in an attempt to get them back. We were not into the craft back then, and as far as I know, no one within the group is now.

Here's the thing, and it appeared to be main thrust of the dream, as I woke up once the point has been made. The need to protect oneself prior to tackling demonic entities came through very powerfully. Now to me, that means a pentagram, at a minimum. But in the dream, the other point that was impressed upon me, was the need for three symbols, not one. I saw the three symbols, but cannot recall what they were, apart from one of them being winged.

I have already considered this dream from a few different angles, but will not elaborate on my thoughts at this point.

Could be something; could be nothing at all. I don't worry over anything, especially situations over which I have limited or no control. But any assistance with interpretation that you may be be able to offer would be greatly appreciated.

You are more than welcome to inject a bit of humour into the thread, if you must, but please do so with care and respect, i.e. don't take the piss!

Thanks,

Tony.

[Dawn]

Many people suffer psychic attack at some point, yet many do not. Learning to remain neutral in the face of the 'dark ones' can take some deep awareness. I can tell you this, the BEST defense is LOVE. There is NOTHING stronger!!! I worked as a healer for many years. And I worked to remove all kinds of parasites and demons from people's space... this brought on a real psychic attack that lasted for quite a while. The ONLY thing that worked in EVERY case with EVERY dark one was LOVE. That is... no matter what comes at you ... remaining in this frequency and simply sending unconditional love to them works every time. I usually find that I need to let them know that their agreement is done and they do not have permission to remain, then I ask them if they need help finding the next highest and best place for themselves.

Demons and 'dark ones' are simply the opposite of the high vibrational beings. And we are in dualistic world. Learning to love them too (as part of the great creation) will give you total safety wherever you go.

Meanwhile, until then you might consider finding a teacher or healer that will work with you to support you while you learn to do the work yourself.

Good luck, and have fun! Remember... you are an infinite being and ultimately you cannot be hurt in any way.

[Heyoka_11]

Remember... you are an infinite being and ultimately you cannot be hurt in any way.

Thank you so much for the time taken to reply.

I am in the space that you speak of; have been for many years now. Back in my twenties, things, on occasion, got pretty intense. Bed lifted off the floor situations etc. A lot of that was my own fault too! Opening doorways in one's mind that should remain closed is not so smart!

I remain pretty neutral these days, and offer little energy on which to feed. I actually enjoy the occasional "visit", and normally just smile when it happens, as it serves as validation for my own spiritual convictions. Actually, those visits don't happen often enough! And when they do, there is no need for interpretation, as the are what they are. That's what I find annoying about psychic attack in the dream state. If one is to make head or tail of the event, they require interpretation, and that is when we can lead ourselves up the garden path.

And as for having fun, believe me, I do! This stuff dose not phase me any more, though it has been low level for decades now.

Many thanks,

Tony.

[ulli]

The three symbols are the dialectic, the law of three, the three forces.

In the normal natural way of things there are only two forces, duality...back and forth...attack and defense.

Once the third force is introduced one can begin to grow, and get away from the monotony of the status quo.

The third force is the force of integration, or reconciliation. It supplies the wings, with which to fly above the first two forces of duality.

It reconciles opposites, and lifts one to a higher level.

Once there the process begins all over. Each time there is more refinement.

Affirming, denying, reconciling.

Etc.

[Heyoka_11]

The three symbols are the dialectic, the law of three, the three forces.

Hi Ulli,

My dream interpretation is pretty ordinary, but the law of three had occurred to me too. Not so though the significance of the winged symbol. If you are correct, then this is extremely heartening. I know that without darkness, we would have no light. I understand that ultimately, no one is to blame for anything. As the years pass, I find myself increasingly able to approach most people and circumstances with a good degree of ambivalence. I give thanks for both the good times in life, and the bad times as well, as we have so much to learn from both.

With thanks,

Tony.

P.S. When I hit "reply with quote", my MacBook twice refused to include the final line of your reply, "Hence you". Perhaps it begs to differ. I have been giving it a hard time lately!

[ulli]

I don't see "darkness versus light" as a duality system.
Inside the darkness is where the dualties battle, until light, the third force, enters.

There is no such thing as darkness...it is not an equal opposite to light.
Light IS, darkness is just an absence of light, in which the broiling mass of creation begins.
The original chaos.

Once light enters there, in the form of knowledge, discernment, distinction, the chaotic conditions in the dark area must rearrange themselves and begin to make orderly patterns, symmetry, triangles, squares, pentacles, hexagons, increasingly complex shapes, like a diamond being cut.

Equally there is no fight between good and evil.

Evil is the absence of good. In fighting situations all players are equally "not-good", locked in duality.

Light is good, it clears things up, it is third force.

[PurpleLama]

I am seeing the erosion of the ego, the war of attrition of our own selves versus "the enemy" which ultimately is our "own selves". You're old friends being abducted = your old "self" wearing down. Your magical practice, in which the old friends weren't interested, is the new road of your consciousness. You are continuing to shed your own forms in favor of that which will actually serve you, and protect you. Do not waste time trying to show others what you think is right, what you know is right. It is essential for you to master your own mind, body, and spirit. The pentacle is the perfection of spirit ruling over the four elements, which is the perfection of the body, which is the true power that symbol holds. The winged disk is the Righteous One, it is the call of your higher self to claim what it is to be what you are. The third symbol, not remembered clearly, is the mind, also the ego in it's proper place as a tool for the self and not the identity that it's thought to be, and it hides behind itself, hence the active ego consciousness hiding that part. It might be helpful to meditate and try to fix on what that symbol might be. It's time to focus on self cultivation and whoever it is you are trying to wake up, let it go. The people won't come along if they aren't ready, and whereas you have lots and lots of things to offer them when they are ready, the one thing you can not ever give is readiness itself. You have what you need to do what you need to do yourself, so get to it.

take it for what you will.

[Heyoka_11]

Inside the darkness is where the dualties battle, until light, the third force, enters.

Thanks Ulli for this insight. What I have quoted above is an entirely new perspective to me, and a big penny has just dropped.

I also had read some time ago that cold is nothing more than the absence of heat. I mean, where does cold stop and heat begin? This is entirely dependant upon ones frame of reference. This example was used to highlight exactly what you have also written; that there is no battle between good and evil. Only good is present, in varying degrees (including a near total lack of it in some cases). This then, gives hope for the apparently hopeless. It simply reverberates as truth!

Thanks again,

Tony.

[Heyoka_11]

I am seeing the erosion of the ego, the war of attrition of our own selves versus "the enemy" which ultimately is our "own selves". You're old friends being abducted = your old "self" wearing down. Your magical practice, in which the old friends weren't interested, is the new road of your consciousness. You are continuing to shed your own forms in favor of that which will actually serve you, and protect you. Do not waste time trying to show others what you think is right, what you know is right. It is essential for you to master your own mind, body, and spirit. The pentacle is the perfection of spirit ruling over the four elements, which is the perfection of the body, which is the true power that symbol holds. The winged disk is the Righteous One, it is the call of your higher self to claim what it is to be what you are. The third symbol, not remembered clearly, is the mind, also the ego in it's proper place as a tool for the self and not the identity that it's thought to be, and it hides behind itself, hence the active ego consciousness hiding that part. It might be helpful to meditate and try to fix on what that symbol might be. It's time to focus on self cultivation and whoever it is you are trying to wake up, let it go. The people won't come along if they aren't ready, and whereas you have lots and lots of things to offer them when they are ready, the one thing you can not ever give is readiness itself. You have what you need to do what you need to do yourself, so get to it.

take it for what you will.

Thank you PurpleLama,

Your seeing my old school friends as symbolic of the egoistic self rings true. Lets face it, at that age the ego rules supreme, and we could probably not survive without it. If indeed it is wearing down, then this is a good thing. I am quite confident that it is, and it is a process which will continue throughout life.

I actually turned my back on magic, as I had mentioned in Fred S' "Dreams of Avalon" thread. I searched my soul to understand my motive, and for me, it was nothing more than ego, and no good would have been served in pursuing the practice.

You are so right in suggesting that I concentrate on my own development. What is right for me, is just that; right for me. If someones asks for my opinion, that is all I can give; an opinion. I avoid speaking in terms of ultimates, unless dealing with Universal Truths.

Thanks again for your time and advice,

Tony.

[PurpleLama]

CLICK

That makes absolute, perfect sense. Wow. Woo Woo.

The above post was a reading from the dream itself. I have further information in light of your clarifying response. Would you prefer me to post in the thread or PM?

[Laura Elina]

I agree with Ulli and PurpleLama, so I suppose this is mere repetition with my own opinion thrown in there.

When I read the description of the dream I thought of letting go of attachment (attachment of ego etc.. letting go of attachment in itself), and how your 'ego' is now fighting it, the ego trying to save itself, reminding you to protect yourself from being "taken away" by this demon that is higher consciousness I suppose.

Here's just another opinion on the duality aspect. Probably repetition as well, just a thought I suppose, sorry, if it doesn't make any sense, because at times it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Feel free to say duh, if you read it, lol.

I experience duality of life, of existence, because here on Earth I am not all, and yet I am for I am a part of "all".

And there's the dual aspect again, just in that opinion alone, I separate myself from "myself", the source, god, the isness, the universe, many names for a beloved one.

"The dual aspect limits" my experience that I'm living through here on this planet in this universe. The feeling of separation, of things being different, of seeing/feeling/thinking that there is"light" and there is "darkness", the experience of duality and yet again experiencing it, limiting one's existence, is an aspect of being all, a step in understanding what is the experience of not being completely merged with "all" (When we at the same time are, what is ego? What is soul? What is higher self? Created projections and particles/vehicles of all to aid it in having these separate experiences?), for what would all be if it had not experienced not being all? So having not been all, which is what we are doing here now,does it contribute to highering the consciousness? My next question is, the consciousness of what? Does all higher its consciousness?

I have experienced light, and I have experienced darkness, I think they both exist, because I cannot help it, I cannot see past it, I cannot see that light and darkness merely are, I experience a separation, And suppose... That separation is illusion, the integration process in itself is illusionary and yet it is very real for me. I think they are one, I feel they are one, the one and the same, but to "know" that they are is completely different. At least for me, that's how I see the dual nature of things in this universe. Suppose there is a universe, where everything is light, and a universe, where everything is darkness, and a universe with a dual nature, or is it these universes being integrated?

Imagine existence, imagine all, and then step outside it. What is there?

[Carmody]

The three symbols are the dialectic, the law of three, the three forces.

In the normal natural way of things there are only two forces, duality...back and forth...attack and defense.

Once the third force is introduced one can begin to grow, and get away from the monotony of the status quo.

The third force is the force of integration, or reconciliation. It supplies the wings, with which to fly above the first two forces of duality.

It reconciles opposites, and lifts one to a higher level.

Once there the process begins all over. Each time there is more refinement.

Affirming, denying, reconciling.

Etc.

To add:

Duality only allows for action-reaction. Black or white.

This is the state we leave when we become aware. We have the black and the white, the past the future, the red the blue.

But when we come to realization of the self, the now, the violet, we suddenly understand the idea of choice, of intellect, of contemplation. We have a comparative, when the third state exists, within our conceptual and dimensional base.

Reason and choice emerges with the third state. Before that was only the animal.

Realization comes, the way becomes seen and clear and the climb begins.

The time this takes, can only be a question of the level of determination the given being has to remain in the third state and continue in the third state, away from the duality of the animal.

Thus a continual moment of self realization of the now is critical, otherwise we slip back into the black and white and the animal..and no climb upward can take place.

The very idea that you have an enemy is black and white and possesses no capacity for growth or the upward spiral.

Owning, becoming, being 'the self in the moment of the now' is the only way out and upward, for it is the only way or position from which that the climb, the door, the way.. can be seen.

Dump the ego, the duality black and white path... and the circle of never ending repetition ----ends. But only as long as you stay on the path of the now, the violet (the combination of the red and the blue in color science is violet), the past and the future, the observation point OF the duality. Observe but do not slip into the duality points alone and loose the violet point of the now.

[ulli]

I have experienced light, and I have experienced darkness, I think they both exist, because I cannot help it, I cannot see past it, I cannot see that light and darkness merely are, I experience a separation, And suppose... That separation is illusion, the integration process in itself is illusionary and yet it is very real for me. I think they are one, I feel they are one, the one and the same, but to "know" that they are is completely different.

Imagine existence, imagine all, and then step outside it. What is there?

Great post. This shows how perception works, seeing two options, preferring one over the other with one part of one's being, wanting to dismiss one part....
yet the higher voice says "integrate, don't discard, integrate."

Each time an individual does this, the whole of humanity, and even earth, shakes.

[Heyoka_11]

I received a PM from PurlleLama, and thought it belonged here on the thread.
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I must say this before I lose it. Feel free to copy this into the thread.


Ok. What I am seeing is the higher self calling you. It was the ego itself that led you from the magical path, and be aware that magic, in this case, could mean just about anything! But it was the turning away from power for fear of using power for selfish purpose that makes you exactly in the place to be a conduit for real universal power. Pay attention to what was said in reference to the symbol you forgot. You are being called to serve a higher purpose that if pursued will put you in a position to protect many others, giving them further opportunity to find their readiness. You are being extolled to recognize the high order of your own intergrity and stand in it. Whatever higher path calls you, go after it! The ego really would avoid it if at all possible for coming into further contact with the energies of the higher self, magic if you will, is one serious threat to the ego, so the ego is trying to trick you into avoiding that! That is the number one thing this dream communicates.

Again, take it for what you will.

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My response follows:

Thanks again,

That you think that it may have been ego itself that had me turn my back on the craft is intriguing. I am going to give this careful consideration, as I could not do it justice here and now. There was actually only the one symbol that I could recall from the dream, that being the winged one. It was disc shaped, but what was on disc was not revealed / not of importance. The wings were the obvious significant features. The other two symbols were likewise, totally indistinct. What was also important here was the number three. My mention of the pentagram formed part of my own interpretation. The pentagram itself was not in the dream.

You are spot on! I know that shunning the craft for fear of my abusing it was the right thing to do. And yes, it felt good, as I would have been selling myself, and the craft short had I done otherwise.

You have also made mention of my being called to some form of higher purpose, in which I may assist others. This ties in with an angel therapy reading done earlier this year, where I was told exactly the same thing, right down to where, and in who's company. Numerology also is quite specific in this regard.

Just gotta' wait for the signs now. This may well be one of them.!

I really appreciate your input PurpleLama. Thanks. ;)

[Heyoka_11]

Feel free to say duh, if you read it, lol.

Thank you Laura,

You'll get no "duh" from me, but you are welcome to a resounding Yo! And don'y worry about repitition, we all need it!

I guess Ulli distilled your message in "integrate, don't discard, integrate." When I stop and think about it, this what I have done with life in general. I have suffered greatly in the past, always being my own undoing, but that is the Heyoka way. Still, I have learned that to separate the "good times" from the "bad times" is naive. They form part of a greater whole, the same one I give thanks for each day.

Your response also contains much apparent paradox, and your acceptance of it. I have read that this ability is a hallmark of an advanced soul. Embrace the opposites!

With Gratitude,

Tony.

[Heyoka_11]

The three symbols are the dialectic, the law of three, the three forces.

In the normal natural way of things there are only two forces, duality...back and forth...attack and defense.

Once the third force is introduced one can begin to grow, and get away from the monotony of the status quo.

The third force is the force of integration, or reconciliation. It supplies the wings, with which to fly above the first two forces of duality.

It reconciles opposites, and lifts one to a higher level.

Once there the process begins all over. Each time there is more refinement.

Affirming, denying, reconciling.

Etc.

To add:

Duality only allows for action-reaction. Black or white.

This is the state we leave when we become aware. We have the black and the white, the past the future, the red the blue.

But when we come to realization of the self, the now, the violet, we suddenly understand the idea of choice, of intellect, of contemplation. We have a comparative, when the third state exists, within our conceptual and dimensional base.

Reason and choice emerges with the third state. Before that was only the animal.

Realization comes, the way becomes seen and clear and the climb begins.

The time this takes, can only be a question of the level of determination the given being has to remain in the third state and continue in the third state, away from the duality of the animal.

Thus a continual moment of self realization of the now is critical, otherwise we slip back into the black and white and the animal..and no climb upward can take place.

The very idea that you have an enemy is black and white and possesses no capacity for growth or the upward spiral.

Owning, becoming, being 'the self in the moment of the now' is the only way out and upward, for it is the only way or position from which that the climb, the door, the way.. can be seen.

Dump the ego, the duality black and white path... and the circle of never ending repetition ----ends. But only as long as you stay on the path of the now, the violet (the combination of the red and the blue in color science is violet), the past and the future, the observation point OF the duality. Observe but do not slip into the duality points alone and loose the violet point of the now.

Hi Carmody,

Yes! I am with you completely. Especially on the need to be in the here and now. That is where the real magic lies. So much opportunity is lost when our heads are stuck in the past, or overly concerned about future outcomes.

Thanks,

Tony.

[ulli]

I once had a realization about magic while watching the street magician David Blaine on TV. He had to come up with a word someone had written which was known to the viewers but not to him. A simple telepathy test.
And the moment he said it his head had turned towards the traffic on the busy street where they were filming and a van was driving by with the hidden word printed on it's side. He saw it, said it...I saw it as the perfect "NOW" moment...
I'm not sure if it was even noticeable to anyone else, as there were many passing vehicles. Anyway, that was when I realized his secret, and THE secret...the NOW provides everything...we just have to be there with our minds.

[Heyoka_11]

we just have to be there with our minds.

That is a "game" which I love to play, and I am amazed how frequently I am given the opportunity. In conversation, it is often something as innocuous as where someone lives. I'll tell them where they live, and they'll ask how on earth I knew. To that I'll reply, "I didn't know". I'll then go to explain that the answer to every imaginable question is already "out there", and that all we have to do is to be completely present in the here and now, get out of the the way of the answer, and just allow it to come to us. But if I try to think of the answer, I'll blow it! I liken this to honing our intuitive skills, where I believe it is imperative that we completely suspend logic and reason if we are to discern between a true intuitive hit, and our own rambling imagination.

This thread's gone quiet, so I'll take this opportunity to thank everyone that saw fit to contribute. Your assistance was both appreciated, and of great value.

[ulli]

It also works well while online. I was working with a screen writer for a couple of years, and we used Skype. While discussing the plot, or back story, and searching for an idea, I would sometimes notice an email message had just come in. When I shared the message with my writing partner we both realized that the message contained the answer we had been looking for. It was uncanny.
I went as far as realizing that it doesn't only happen often, but is a constant flowing reality, that is blocked by ourselves the moment we retract into only left brain or right brain activity.
The ideal state is a perfect balance between both brain hemispheres...and WHAM! bore shaft of bright light.

[Heyoka_11]

I went as far as realizing that it doesn't only happen often, but is a constant flowing reality

Caroline Myss, the medical intuitive from Chicago, contends that we are in constant near bombardment with direction, suggestion and guidance. This can be a little unnerving, as it may suggest that many of the decisions that we would like to imagine are our own, may actually be anything but.

[ulli]

Well, that is pure Gurdjieff.
Not accusing her of plagiarism, just that we might share the same master. And he didnt invent truth either.
But we do have the choice in where to direct our attention, once we decide to wake up.
The hardest part of living.

[Heyoka_11]

Well, that is pure Gurdjieff.

Yes, it is. She acknowledges the work of Gurdjieff, and so offers nothing new in that regard. I'd quote from one of her books, but unfortunately I have most of her stuff on disc, which makes citation a tad awkward.