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dourpil
15th August 2011, 13:31
Hi all!


I don't really know where to start this thread, but I'll try to keep it simple and clear.

My "deep" vision of life, or god, or the source, is a very optimistic one. Please let me call this God -even if I know this word comes with all kinds of (mis)interpretations. I use God as I could use Energy and/or Love and/or Light.

Anyways, in my point of view, there is no place for Evil or Satan or some sort of entity (as compared to God which I guess I could say is an entity at some point) that would be bad/evil in it's very nature.
To me, God is the Light, and light comes from a source, goes in every direction and thus is everywhere. And Evil would just be the absence of Light, like a shadow preventing light from accessing a 'place'.

So in my opinion, there is no such thing as pure Evil. Just a local absence of Light/Love/God, but that could never turn the light off.


However I sometimes read topics about Evil or Satan as if it was very real and very dangerous to the Light. Like if it could 'take the advantage' at some point.

I don't think I am going to change my mind about that, because that would be way too scary for me to handle, but I'd be glad to have your thoughts.


Have a great day, I thank you for your time and answers!

DNA
15th August 2011, 13:41
Hi dourpill. :)

I was just reading about how most scholars look at the extinction of neanderthals as a case of they were out competed for.
The Urantia book says that they actually were hunted and eaten by modern man, this is mirrored in the Billy Meier dialogues.
Given the abundance of archeological data showing neanderthal bones with butcher cuts left on the bone, I have no reason to doubt this.
So mankind basically devoured it's sister race.
So my question here is, were our ancestors evil, for, ahem, eating neanderthals into extinction?

I've got a thread where I discuss what you are hinting at. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)
You should check it out.

Star1111
15th August 2011, 14:04
Dourpil - Interesting question and one in particular I have been asked to think about of late, quite intently now for a couple of months.
I used to think that some humans were born evil and then I studied, read, researched, but most importantly really went within and was told and now realise that there is no such thing as evil, only an absence of love/light/God in some humans. To clarify, when I say absence of light/love/God there is always light/love/God within but the 'matter', the mind/ego takes over to such an extent that it appears that the light/love/God has gone. It is always there. :luv:
I still have to really think about this when I think of people (which I don't often) like the moors murderers, the yorkshire ripper and paedophiles in particular and although I know it would be better for all, including my own self to "send them all LOVE and send them on their way"........... I am still working on that one!
If I were to give an answer based on what I know and feel NOW, I would say that I agree with you in that there is no evil, just an "absence" of light/love/God.
Evil and Satan I don't believe exist and anyone who states that evil and/or satan can affect or interfere with the LIGHT, I would disagree with as the light/love/God, whatever one wants to call 'It' is too strong for anything or anyone to diminish or ever extinguish It. In my experience the more people/entities try to 'harm' the light/God/love it just gets stronger.
Nothing is to be feared as we are all eternal souls anyway.
Much love, peace and harmony to you.

John Parslow
15th August 2011, 14:10
Hello dourpil

I do believe that there is a balance to all things - therefore just as there is good there is evil ...

Best regards. JP :cool:

Asyloth
15th August 2011, 14:31
Hello Dourpil (a fellow Belgian :D),
I've also thought a lot about this question and I got my idea on the subject:
First of all I also completely disregard the "God" word since it has got a powerfull religious connotation, and from my point of vue, religions are control tools, but I guess from your message that you're thinking the same way, so I just call it "The universal".

To me, "The universal" is neither good nor evil, "The universal" is just everything, it's not stuck into duality, so I think it's a misconception to think that "The universal" or "God" as you call it, is light and opposed by darkness, "The universal" is light as well as darkness, it's everything.
I think that what we call "The dark side" wants to be thought as being opposed to "The universal", cause you then see "the dark side" as much more powerfull than it really is, "The universal" is actually opposed to nothing.
It's only when you go into the duality, there you have the light that is opposed by darkness, but none of them is especially backed by "The universal", it is neither against light neither against darkness, it's all of it.

See what I mean?

But I also think that nothing is completely dark or completely shining, saying about something that it's just evil or good is most of the time simplifying something that's generally a lot more complicated then that.
So to me, evil is a simplified interpretation of things we see as being wrong.

Corncrake
15th August 2011, 14:37
I wish I did not believe in evil and I don't want to but the evidence is out there from the psychopaths ruling our world from behind the scenes to cases such as those the Vatican's chief exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth, describes. That is if demonic possession comes under the same umbrella as 'evil'.

"Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he makes fun of me."

He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can come out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals."

Read the whole article here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece

Catsquotl
15th August 2011, 14:49
Hi,

Very interesting question...
I will try to make some sense of my thoughts about that. Not sure if I will succeed though.
In my searching days I was/am led to believe there is no such thing as evil. Just the absence of light. And in a way This resonates very strong with me.

On the other hand. I guess most of us here are light beings. So we would not have an inner knowledge of what it is to be dark. Thus feel alienated from that experience.

If the basis for any dualistic dimension to exist is an equal balance of yin and yang then there must be beings that are of the dark. And like I cannot imagine to be "dark" That is willingly choose to live without any light. I guess dark people are more than willing to live without light. As they feel it is their nature...

Something like that.
I would however steer very clear away of calling anyone dark by generalization. Nazi's, Pedophiles and such. I have no way of telling someone is dark or just misguided or sick.

With Love
Eelco

dourpil
15th August 2011, 14:49
Alright I am starting to have a clearer view on this. I was wanting to see the duality subject appear here. (Well, actually, I brought it up with my thread but not quite explicitly).

I agree with you - that Good and Bad balance (and form the beautiful symbol of Yin and Yang). But aren't the message of enlightened masters saying that one should always try to stay on the path of Love, compassion, bliss, joy, ... in order to evolve spiritually? From the messages that I read, Love is the true nature of our Selves. However, I am aware that I get the messages I want to get, thus my reality - or should I say my perception of reality - is influenced by my thoughts, judgements and by what I actually want to perceive.

The universal (I like the word, thanks!) is motivated by something, I don't know if it's a force, a will, or whatever, but the fact that we are here, living, experiencing and trying our best to evolve, means there's something pushing us. Until now I was convinced this "force" could be pretty accurately called Love, but it seems I may be opening the doors of my perceptions to a new understanding. Please keep helping me :)

Sidney
15th August 2011, 14:59
I have been face to face with evil. Yes evil exists, perhaps some of us recognizeit and some don't. Or perhaps some of us just have the misfortune of experiencing firsthand, the evils of the world. (my opinions of course)

jagman
15th August 2011, 15:06
Dourpil I do understand your idea of good and evil, I have a friend who believes the same way and we talk about it quite a bit.
My take on evil is a little different. So here it goes, I worked for many years in a maximum security prison and the unit I was
assigned to was for the criminally insane. Over 200 men were in this housing unit. They were the worst of the worst!

serial killers,serial rapists,child killers you name It! One of these men always stood out to me. His name was Walter.
When the police caught Walter back in the 70s He was driving a cab upon investigation of the cab they found 7 dismembered bodies!
Walter had what I can only describe has a darkness attached to him! He was empty of any human emotion!

Sometimes just being around him I would become physically Ill and so did many other staff!
The vibes that man gave off in my opinion were pure evil!

Heyoka_11
15th August 2011, 15:33
Hi Dourpil,

I started a thread this morning that progressed to the point that it has touched on the very question you are asking. You may have like to have a look at it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27904-Need-help-with-demonic-dream-interpretation.-All-responses-welcome.

In post number 6, Ulli makes a extremely significant observation. To my mind anyway!

All the Best.

ulli
15th August 2011, 16:31
In the world of evil, which is a world of ignorance, there is much deception.
Everyone is a potential enemy, and it is permeated by fear.
It is a downward hierarchy with the densest beings as the ones in charge.
I don't believe that it stretches into the eternal...just like there is an absolute cold temperature, (I forgot what it is in Fahrenheit), so density too comes to a stop once it reaches a certain point...
possibly with one single being whom all those demons worship.

In the endless world of goodness there are no enemies, only friends,
and all share the desire to free those who are trapped in ignorance,
and show them that the suffering they inflict will come to haunt and torment them,
as victims have a tendency to obsess about their tormentors, wishing upon them all forms of revenge.

It is a dense, low, dark place where knowledge and light have yet to enter.
Ignorance of the highest truth is it's basis, hence it has no real power over those
who are committed to knowledge and absolute goodness.

For a soul to decide to come to this planet means it is so exposed to that ignorance, that it appears to be equal to the side of light, thus presenting a soul with a choice, every step of the way, throughout life.

In chosing the light, again and again, the soul develops individuality which will last forever.
This is my belief, I am an indivisive dualist, or soul individualist.
Where this fits in with Buddhist teachings is another chapter, for another day.

Nathalie
15th August 2011, 17:55
I don't believe in good or bad, I believe in What Is. Good and Evil are only perceptions. There is what brings joy and what brings pain. But we are all different and what bring me pain, will bring you nothing, or what brings me joy, will bring you pain. In the end, it is a choice. We can observe, without judgement. As emotional beings, this is easier said than done, of course. But think about it!

Nathalie
15th August 2011, 19:19
Dourpil I do understand your idea of good and evil, I have a friend who believes the same way and we talk about it quite a bit.
My take on evil is a little different. So here it goes, I worked for many years in a maximum security prison and the unit I was
assigned to was for the criminally insane. Over 200 men were in this housing unit. They were the worst of the worst!

serial killers,serial rapists,child killers you name It! One of these men always stood out to me. His name was Walter.
When the police caught Walter back in the 70s He was driving a cab upon investigation of the cab they found 7 dismembered bodies!
Walter had what I can only describe has a darkness attached to him! He was empty of any human emotion!

Sometimes just being around him I would become physically Ill and so did many other staff!
The vibes that man gave off in my opinion were pure evil!

I can imagine that! But the man was sick, was he not? Therefore, does the term "evil" apply?

GCS1103
15th August 2011, 19:48
Hi, Dourpil-

For myself, I would answer your question by saying yes, there is evil. I base this on the following personal experience I had about 10 years ago:

I had a "psychic party" at my home with about 10 friends where we all had readings. The psychic asked that we be protected from evil as he communicated with, what I assume, were spirits. A few days after the party I had a feeling of fear and dread that is hard to describe with words. At night, I felt someone touching my face and the television would turn on by itself several times late in the evening. Even during the day, when I left the house, the extreme dread never left. I "felt" an evil presence with me for weeks and my dogs were aware of the change in the house. I think animals are very perceptive.

I finally could not live with this horrible feeling and I called in a couple who deal with spirits, to see if they felt anything evil in the house. Since you don't know me, I will tell you that I am not a person who meditates, communicates on higher levels or has any knowledge or experience with the spiritual world. As soon as they walked into my home, they told me that there was an evil presence nearby. We actually had an exorcism that night. I rarely tell this story to anyone I know, because it is hard to believe. If I hadn't lived through this myself, I would find it hard to swallow. Immediately after this exorcism, the evil that I felt was gone and I never experienced this feeling again. It was a religious exorcism and these people said the spirit was demonic.

I am totally out of my depth to explain what happened, but the feeling was one of pure evil. I have never again had a psychic reading and never will. There are many more people here at avalon that understand these things and what it meant but, for me, it was evil through and through.

PurpleLama
15th August 2011, 20:03
In my understanding every entity is doing what it was made to do, it's job, if you will. Something which is evil is simply going through the motions of learning it's own lessons, eventually to the point of learning that it's missed the point. At this time said evil entity will choose to go backwards and attend a school for learning the lessons of love, as it were. The earth we know is a prime example of some such school, and from what I gather many of the enlightened masters, saviours, whatever, went through a similar cycle of reincarnation to before reaching more exalted states. Hence the path of Service to Self being referred to as "the path that is not" in the Law of One. Love learned in a loving environment is valuable, to be sure, but love cultivated through adverse conditions, consciously cultivated, has coherence which equates to "power."

blake
15th August 2011, 20:53
Hello Dourpil,

This is a question that I always find interesting how people answer. Many people like yourself have said that evil doesn't exist, that it is just the absence of love and light. I am not convinced that light goes everywhere. It can and is easlily blocked. I have more than once been in deep caverns and caves, both in America and Ireland ,that when the artifical lighting was turned off, it was pure darkness. One could not even see their hand in front of their face. I am inclined to agree with John Parslow about the balance in nature. But without getting into how the universe and dimensions are structured, my best answer to the question posed would be based on my own personal observations and experience. I have seen pure evil in the action and choices of humans whether it is the pleasure some humans get in playing road kill on purpose, or listening to a convicted murderer talk about how he just "enjoyed" watching people bleed. Some people do bad things becasue they are lost souls but have some level of remorse. Yet, there are many humans out there that simply enjoy inflicting pain on another. I bless all who read these words that nothing like that ever happens to you or your love ones. But if love and light motivates humans to be kind and compassionate; what is the motivating force behind humans who mutilate children for sheer entertainment? Is there a lack of light and love there ? I would say yes. So perhaps the simple definition of evil is a lack or love and light. But are we toying with semantics here?
There is a bell curve in just about everything in life. In the bell curve of good and evil, most humans will be somewhere in the middle of sometimes being good and sometimes being not so good, but at the extreme ends, we have a minute fraction of the humans being saintlike, and another small fraction of humans behaving without the grace of love and light. And by not being in this grace of light and love, they go about life with pure evil action to whomever they may have the opportunity to inflict pain on. You may define evil as a lack or love and light and I won't argue that point. But that lack of love and light is synomonus with evil. I define evil as any human that seeks other out, looking for opportunities to cause great personal suffering and ultimate murder of another, especially on the innocent small children. Socialpaths can be the most charming people, until they have you alone and start slowly skinning you alive with a razor blade, becasue they enjoy watching people bleed. I would call that sick and I would call that evil behavior. And just as that bell curve works wit humans, I would wage that at least a small percentage of non human beings are also pure evil. Many people chase ghosts and tell them to go to the light. But have those same ghost chasers just once come across a socialpathic enity , for lack of a better word, and if they survive that encounter, I am sure their ghost chasing days will be over. Have you ever heard of someone dying of fright? I am wondering if it was a simple lack of light and love that killed them, or was it something a lot more sinister. But to get back to the question, to set aside all semantics, it is my opinion and experience that pure evil exists in both this dimension and others.


Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Herbert
15th August 2011, 23:04
This is a universe based on the construct of light. You can't have light without polarity. The purpose of this universe is to learn wisdom and at the same time find value in opposites. So yes evil does exist in the lower realms and you can allow yourself to be enticed if you become too inquisitive. Unconditional love is the ultimate protection. And people tend to equate love with light. But light can be deceptive when it comes as conditional love. Going within to the heart and feelings is how we learn discernment and balance. It is about responsibility and integration.
Darkness is just ignorance which serves the purpose of helping us learn to create and recreate until the light comes on to integrate. The lesson is complete and knowledge becomes wisdom.
Just to keep it light, I hope no one takes offence if I post this to be sung to a rap beat:

Truth is just a word if TRUTH be known,
Compassionate knowing through empathic tone,
Finding balance from Duality.
Ignorance leads to Creativity.

Earth tones, earth tones are what I be,
Earth tones, earth tones are what I see,
Earthy woman is the woman for me.
Integrate! Integrate! Integrate me!

Came here from another galaxy
Gaia, Sophia, Integrate me!
Yea!
Integrate, Integrate, Integrate me
Integrate, Integrate, Integrate me. . .

Arrowwind
15th August 2011, 23:24
Hi,

On the other hand. I guess most of us here are light beings. So we would not have an inner knowledge of what it is to be dark. Thus feel alienated from that experience.



I do not believe that you can be a very strong light being without the inner knowledge. It is knowledge that brings light... although I do think some people are not in touch with the source of what they know and how they know it.

I certainly do believe in Evil. Watch Steven Speilburg's documentary called "The Last Days" This is clearly a demonstration of evil, not just a lack of light or love. Lots of people have a lack or low capacity for love but that does not make them evil.

I would also look at the clergy that have been involved in raping young boys. Here is an example of people who technically know what is right yet are incapable of living right and hence putting great harm and damage upon others. This is living life backwards... the word evil if live spelled backwards.

There is a type of consciousness that thrives on pain and blood and slaughter and control. There are also those who are very susceptible to the suggestions that they should particpate in such activities... think Rowanda... Geesh, man, just look at the world around you. If you don't think evil is real perhaps you ought to come out of your cave for a breather and look at what your neighbors are doing.

Lord Sidious
15th August 2011, 23:29
I had a friend before, he is no longer with is in physical form, Reginald Lewis Da Costa, the author of the 13th Stone and The Secret Diaries of an Alchemist.
He used to say that ''god uses the dark to sharpen the light'' and that if you read the abrahamic versions, got created evil to start with.
In the duality, you can't have up without down.

jagman
16th August 2011, 04:08
Have you ever stood face to face with a serial killer,if not i do believe ur talking out of your hiny
Nathalie ! Oh yeah he was sick he was carrying 7 human heads in a large trash bag!
and then the psychs labeled him a psychopath! See thats what they do when they cant find

A logical reason for there behavior. Nathalie not believing in evil wont protect you from it!

DNA
16th August 2011, 04:21
I had a friend before, he is no longer with is in physical form, Reginald Lewis Da Costa, the author of the 13th Stone and The Secret Diaries of an Alchemist.
He used to say that ''god uses the dark to sharpen the light'' and that if you read the abrahamic versions, got created evil to start with.
In the duality, you can't have up without down.

I agree with this, incarnating in physical bodies in a world with finite resources and undevoloped or non-developed senses of ethics is asking for something in my opinion.
There is no way around it, it's a predatory universe and we are tasked with surviving.
The hammer blows of this struggle are what pound the steel on anvil into a finished product.

Catsquotl
16th August 2011, 04:26
Hi,

On the other hand. I guess most of us here are light beings. So we would not have an inner knowledge of what it is to be dark. Thus feel alienated from that experience.



I do not believe that you can be a very strong light being without the inner knowledge. It is knowledge that brings light... although I do think some people are not in touch with the source of what they know and how they know it.

I certainly do believe in Evil. Watch Steven Speilburg's documentary called "The Last Days" This is clearly a demonstration of evil, not just a lack of light or love. Lots of people have a lack or low capacity for love but that does not make them evil.

I would also look at the clergy that have been involved in raping young boys. Here is an example of people who technically know what is right yet are incapable of living right and hence putting great harm and damage upon others. This is living life backwards... the word evil if live spelled backwards.

There is a type of consciousness that thrives on pain and blood and slaughter and control. There are also those who are very susceptible to the suggestions that they should particpate in such activities... think Rowanda... Geesh, man, just look at the world around you. If you don't think evil is real perhaps you ought to come out of your cave for a breather and look at what your neighbors are doing.


Just curious here. The pure evil you speak of is it something you can picture yourself of being capable of? Is it something that you would say is in you to?

Maybe i am just avoiding that part of me, but even though I feel i may have been misguided in taking so called "evil" action in this or previous lifetimes I don't feel That this course of action is something that is part of me.. Something that I need or that it is part of my being..

Doing good however does feel exactly like that. Thats the way I want/need to be. I believe that there are beings that do not need to do good. That can thrive and ascend through the dark realms like we ascend through the light realms..

That said I believe (i seem to believe a lot of stuff) that somehow a travesty occurred when Earth saw more than its fair share of evil actions... Still working on that one..

About the evil inmate that made staff members sick... Even though he was in human shape. Reading that didn't feel like he was human. seemed to be missing a few layers of depth don't you think? I myself worked with psychiatric patients and mentally handicapped for most of my life. That has lead me to conclude that not every being in human form is human..

With Love
Eelco

DNA
16th August 2011, 04:41
Dourpil I do understand your idea of good and evil, I have a friend who believes the same way and we talk about it quite a bit.
My take on evil is a little different. So here it goes, I worked for many years in a maximum security prison and the unit I was
assigned to was for the criminally insane. Over 200 men were in this housing unit. They were the worst of the worst!

serial killers,serial rapists,child killers you name It! One of these men always stood out to me. His name was Walter.
When the police caught Walter back in the 70s He was driving a cab upon investigation of the cab they found 7 dismembered bodies!
Walter had what I can only describe has a darkness attached to him! He was empty of any human emotion!

Sometimes just being around him I would become physically Ill and so did many other staff!
The vibes that man gave off in my opinion were pure evil!

Good stuff Jag.

I do think there are REAL true to life DARK entities out there. I think there are discarnate entities that wished to circumvent the natural order of reincarnation, and in attempting to extricate them selves from universal order, they have detached them selves from the light of creation, or God if you will.

The abode for such entities is ussually termed "The fourth dimension".
The Illuminati and such who practice their "human sacrifices" and pedophilia and what have you, channelling entities from the fourth dimension and or playing host to them, folks call them satanic, and the only argument I have with that is the idea of eternity in any state of consciousness being forever.
All is transitory, all is a stage of devolopment.

Even the darkest of the dark eventually make their way back in my opinion.

RedeZra
16th August 2011, 06:01
evil is self-evident and we perceive it because we have the knowledge about it

we know the difference between good and evil


one must be blind conditioned or hypnotized if one cannot see evil in our world today


evil is a being of spirit so it has spiritual powers which it uses to seduce trick and treat human beings with

when people in power are under the spell of evil then it will trickle down the chain of command and eventually corrupt everybody

so much so that evil might seem like the most natural thing in the world


but evil is just a spirit while God is good

so there is no match between them

just as darkness flees from the light instantly

loveandgratitude
16th August 2011, 06:59
LIVE- spell it backwards evil. The opposite. I agree with Lord Sid that evil was created to scare the crap out of us so that we can evolve faster. When someone is confronted with "evil" they start praying to God for help. Funny that is. Evil is teaching us to move towards the light but within the realms of free will. When you enter a dark room, you grapple and fall over things, swear and curse, fumble until you find the light switch then presto you feel safe and secure immediately.

Our job is to find the inner light switch without fumbling too much. For some this is easy and others this take a lot longer to find.

Remember we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Human is duality. When we do not live as true spiritual beings we struggle with evil, against the light.

Good V Evil
Dark V Light
Fear V Love.

Love is all powerful. Choosing Love All Darkness Drops Away. Choosing Love All Evil Drops Away.

The Long awaited Journey to One

When we Choose Love we can change our frequency and we speed up our development toward spiritual unfoldment, our growth and learning. Preparing ourselves for the higher dimensions that does not have time or duality.

Someoneson1
16th August 2011, 15:35
Temporarily there is a perception of evil but alas when healing of perception occurs there was never any crisis.

If your intrested read http://courseinmiracles.com/

If u get past the title a full understanding of the nature of evil or error is revealed in these pages. I have never come across knowledge so complete.

Arrowwind
17th August 2011, 02:11
Just curious here. The pure evil you speak of is it something you can picture yourself of being capable of? Is it something that you would say is in you to?

I would not say that I am capable of it. Although I am not perfect and still mess up, the level of my transgressions I would not consider near evil... but living life backwards can be as simple as not honoring yourself, not extending kindness when it could be, not fully following inner guidance from high self ... so in that I still am not living life straight forward.





About the evil inmate that made staff members sick... Even though he was in human shape. Reading that didn't feel like he was human. seemed to be missing a few layers of depth don't you think? I myself worked with psychiatric patients and mentally handicapped for most of my life. That has lead me to conclude that not every being in human form is human..

This is called not being fully human. A fully human person has connection with all his chakra system and knows how to work it. Most of us are in various levels of awareness. But it is the heart awakening that really gets us moving into our fully human selves. The other chakras play a role but without heart their open function can lead to a lot of evilness. ... it is the difference between being a two legged animal and being a child of god

truth4me
17th August 2011, 04:06
Damn right there is evil. After I seen what my fellow co-worker did to a 3 year old...... but I do need to pray for all those involved.....

applecrusher1992
17th August 2011, 04:23
Good and Evil implies that there is duality. I personally don't believe in duality as we are all of the same source. There are positive aspects and negative aspects but good and evil imply two sides. It also implies a bias and are essentially subjective and relative to the individual. A group of people might concern themselves good while everyone else sees them as evil.

Whiskey_Mystic
17th August 2011, 04:58
Evil is as real as you choose it to be. And not. Everything is an aspect. Everything is a construct. Even demons are teachers. Good and evil are constructs of duality. There is only the eternal Tao.

dourpil
17th August 2011, 21:41
I think I am understanding a little bit more of this subject. I'll tell you how I feel it right now. All my following text should be presented like a question because I'm not sure about anything :p

Evil would be the result of separation. An entity that feels separated from all that is not included in its feeling of self, will choose to do things for its own well-being, and its own satisfaction. That would join my first thought but that would also include what most of you think: I'd still say that Evil is ignorance, that it is not made to last because it's a temporary feeling that eventually, when the experience of separation has been fully integrated, will disappear to make room for empathy, unconditional love, Good, Loght, Love, Energy, all the nice things :)

Or it could be something else :) or as Whiskey said, it's what you chose it to be. Which is very accurate to me also.

blake
17th August 2011, 23:14
I think I am understanding a little bit more of this subject. I'll tell you how I feel it right now. All my following text should be presented like a question because I'm not sure about anything :p

Evil would be the result of separation. An entity that feels separated from all that is not included in its feeling of self, will choose to do things for its own well-being, and its own satisfaction. That would join my first thought but that would also include what most of you think: I'd still say that Evil is ignorance, that it is not made to last because it's a temporary feeling that eventually, when the experience of separation has been fully integrated, will disappear to make room for empathy, unconditional love, Good, Loght, Love, Energy, all the nice things :)

Or it could be something else :) or as Whiskey said, it's what you chose it to be. Which is very accurate to me also.

Hello dourpill,

Throughout my years, I have discovered that I seldom can teach the younger generation much about the realities of life. They have often come up to me years later to tell me that indeed I was right. But alas, I have learned that they must experience life and discover how the world really works for themselves. But for you, I truely send good thoughts that evil never darkens your life by ever even coming somewhat close to it. We all have different expereinces, and I wouldn't wish a "pure evil encounter" on any human. May you be blessed in every path you take.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Lord Sidious
17th August 2011, 23:34
Good and Evil implies that there is duality. I personally don't believe in duality as we are all of the same source. There are positive aspects and negative aspects but good and evil imply two sides. It also implies a bias and are essentially subjective and relative to the individual. A group of people might concern themselves good while everyone else sees them as evil.

Whilst what you say about the source is accurate, the thing is, at this stage there is a duality, as most of us have not transcended it yet.
Male/female, good/bad, left/right, yin/yang, it is evident all around us.
Even nature has night/day and other examples.

Tane Mahuta
18th August 2011, 05:52
Really Bad Sith/Extra Good Sith


TM

meeradas
18th August 2011, 06:55
Really Bad Sith/Extra Good Sith
TM

That'd be one and the same.

Erm, sorry, :focus: