Camelot - Removing video footage upon request?

[OMG]

Note: Parts 2 & 3 of the A'shayana Deane interview are being re-edited in order to remove statements she made regarding the Wingmakers at the request of James and Mark of Wingmakers.com. I apologize for the inconvenience. They will be re-uploaded as soon as possible. --Kerry Lynn Cassidy, Project Camelot

No disrespect intended. And I'm hoping it isn't some "legal reason" (sigh). But can anyone explain why AD's statements about the Wingmakers are being removed from these videos?

For goodness sakes if everyone got their wish that such and such be removed from this or that video, from this or that article, etc, then I imagine there would be hardly anything worthwhile available. Have we become so "politically correct" that we've lost our freedom of speech?

[Bill Ryan]

[quote]have we become so "politically correct" that we've lost our freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech doesn't include an interviewed witness making untrue statements to be published in a video that may be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.

There's responsible journalism, also... Another freedom that we can all celebrate. :)

I'm very glad that Kerry is making the requested edits... There's no conflict here. While she and I have not always agreed on the material presented by Camelot, our honest intentions have always been to provide our visitors and viewers with what we each think is the best possible information: We've worked pretty hard at that.

A lot of time and thought goes into editing videos: Sometimes, under pressure, things get overlooked. Absolutely not everything in every interview gets published... We've always used our discretion to edit interviews to provide the best possible experience to the viewer. Although i was not part of that interview, and was not involved in the editing, the situation with Ashayana Deane is no exception.

If Kerry sees this, I trust she'll be comfortable with what i've written here to represent Camelot. I was a small part of the process of communicating on Camelot's behalf with Mark and James from WingMakers, and between us this has all been handled very amicably.

The most important thing i can say here - and it is important! - is that Kerry and I are totally united in supporting the very valuable body of material that is the mythology of the WingMakers. We were proud to feature the extraordinary, in-depth written interview with James (http://projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers.html) on our site, and we're privileged to consider Mark and James as friends.

Very best wishes, Bill

[Jan Rodrigo]

ok but still that is not right every on is intiled to there way of thinking all so part 1 dose not work ethier it has become a sad world were you can not even exspress you ideas on a free thinking forum the hole world is being governed and we have to do this with people who are aprently open minded on two open minded forums it just dose not make sense . if you dont like the info then dont whatch it you sould let people make up there own minds you no i think its called free well and freedom to speak . but to me this is so ovyouse what ever next pulse all this information is not new and has been said before. any way this stuff that was said about wing makers why would u be botherd if it is not the truth so many people say things on the forum that is not true and it is ignored . now this is going to make people think there is truth in it . all so it reminds me of the news papers they edit the truth as well to fit what news they whant to go out when it is just news an idea . are people not aloud to think the way they whant any more as iv said whats the big deal if it is not true!

[lightblue]

bill:
Freedom of speech doesn't include an interviewed witness making untrue statements to be published in a video that may be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.
it does actually...

your response is emotional and i think you are getting into politics here...in addition, the interviewer doesn't always know if things said are true or not so to drive a witness into truth telling only...just how do you imagine you could police that...sorry, you are off on this one..

besides, i wish this were the only untrue statement made during that interview...best wishes :wink: l

[OMG]

This is an unfortunate situation which can still be rectified.

Although I understand what Bill is saying it behooves me (and many others I imagine) to understand exactly what has been deleted and how anyone can validate the claims that it is "untrue"?

Once the video is publically submitted I would not sanction further editing unless it was a legal issue.

What I would have done instead was if indeed there was an objective factual "untruth" (instead of a subjective/personal one) then I would have cited a disclaimer on the actual video during those sections while providing a link or the resource to which it could be substantiated.

p.s. It's nothing against the Wingmakers, nor AD. I'm just trying to be fair and calling it how I see it.

[shiva777]

yeah,like Bill said he supports wingmakers 100% so of course he will take their opinion of what is true and what isn't above what others think....just discuss with us what you believe was inaccurate and be open about it...no drama,no karma...maybe AD was mistaken,maybe not...just what do you base the untruth on?

[lightblue]

OMG:
What I would have done instead was if indeed there was an objective factual "untruth" (instead of a subjective/personal one) then I would have cited a disclaimer on the actual video during those sections while providing a link or the resource to which it could be substantiated.

you are then talking about the degrees of how true truth can be...sorry i think that's off too...:fie:l

[Tamara]

I don't think you can argue with Bill on that point. If someone said something about you or yours that was untrue, would you simply stand aside and let rumours spread because that person had the 'free will' to say what they wanted about you? I haven't watched the interview yet, but obviously something was said that the Wingmakers know is not accurate/true, and rightfully, they requested that it be removed. It's not that a big a deal, infact you should probably be happy that Bill and Kerry have the integrity to correct mistakes, errors, and inaccuracies, without making such a fuss about it. Bill's right, it's responsible journalism, and I would expect no less from the two people that I spend nearly every day in some form or another with on my computer screen.

[OMG]

OMG:

you are then talking about the degrees of how true truth can be...sorry i think that's off too...:fie:l

Thank you. Yes, in an idealistic world there would be no need to distinguish between objective and subjective. The problem with "subjective" however is that it usually can't be socially verified. And since I was discussing "untruths of facts" I made the assumption that "facts" had to be something socially verifiable. Hence, my reasoning.

But to your credit I too would prefer there NEVER be any reason to censor. God (Source) seemed to allow everything, whether we liked it or not. Maybe...

[shiva777]

simply stating what is considered to be untrue would clear things up...can you do us that courtesy?...otherwise we are just agreeing to Bill and Kerry and the "wingmakers" censoring things for us...think about it Tamara..that's how propaganda works...so many things on Proj Camelot are untrue but they didn't remove them...

considering the fact that most people here have probably already watched the videos it seems a little strange that you wouldn't just come out with what you consider to be untrue ...or do we need to watch the whole thing again to try to see what you have edited out...lol...see what I mean?.

...it would be good for people to watch these videos more than once anyway as there was a lot to take in and alot that would have thrown many people off balance who hadn't even considered these things as a possibility...this info obviously isn't for the "love,light and clueless" crowd

[Beth]

Some of the things said by AD could, and I stress COULD, be seen as slanderous, that puts Bill and Kerry in a pickle. I don't see the problem with edit.

[Fredkc]

Some of the things said by AD could, and I stress COULD, be seen as slanderous, that puts Bill and Kerry in a pickle. I don't see the problem with edit.
Mod hat off!

Hear Hear! One more thing....
Camelot belongs to Kerry!
Avalon belongs to Bill!

So does the content.
So does the manner of presentation.
As does the decision whether or not to publish, and continue publishing what they choose.

Amazing this has to be explained.

[OMG]

Mod hat off!

Hear Hear! One more thing....
Camelot belongs to Kerry!
Avalon belongs to Bill!

So does the content.
So does the manner of presentation.
As does the decision whether or not to publish, and continue publishing what they choose.

Amazing this has to be explained.

Good point. So we ALL should strive to own and rule our own spheres of influence and not be accountable to anyone but ourselves. And if we're really cleavor we can get some people to work for us for free (ok, I guess pragmatically speaking we could pay them too). Now that's a good system!:confused:

But in truth Fredkc is right and no one but Bill or Kerry can do anything to change anything at Avalon or Camelot.

Sarcasm is ok sometimes isn't it?

Cheers!

[unplugged]

I commented on the other AD thread about my concerns regarding the Wingmakers put-down by AD. On the one hand she claims to not have really studied the Wingmakers material. On the other she proceeds to state that the Guardian Alliance claims ALL the principals involved in the Wingmakers are of Dark Side origins, that the GA are her trusted sources of info, therefore she feels it is her right to state what she does.

That is pure, unadulterated poppycock.

The Wingmaker material is SUPERB -- far in advance of much of what passes as occult knowledge or spiritual teaching on this planet. To smear the origins of the material by stating it is ALL Dark Side is, in my opinion, a gross disservice to responsible humans who have toiled just as long and hard as AD to reveal something of value for humanity. While AD has a bunch of complex diagrams which are certainly mentally stimulating, Wingmakers has text, and art and music. It is a far more balanced explication of spirit in that it isn't stuck in the mental realm but advances the Whole-I Beingness of each and all thru emotional as well as mental stimulation.

I'm glad James and Mark requested these remarks be expunged from the AD record. It was -- IN MY OPINION -- the right thing to do.

Blessings!

Gillian

[Beth]

First, anyone that owns a company, brand, or trademark will understand the reason for the need to remove. If it is deemed slanderous, a suit could take place for just being involved in the situation. Does someone really need to go out on a limb like that for someone elses word, doubtful.

Second, what does that say to all the other whistle-blowers that may want to come forward? They may ask themselves will I be trashed by another whistle-blower if I come forward. It just doesn't set a good precedent, nor is it very professional.

Just my opinion and I don't thinks it's a big deal considering what is being deleted, it's relevance was quite scarce.

[Northern Boy]

I have never watched it so Can`t comment directly on it but I NO longer need to view any whistle blower videos I have decide to follow my own path and take the knowledge I have gained and use it to my own advantage . So far its working great for me ultimately you are responsible for you and you alone . Others from my immediate family have taken it upon themselves to follow their paths, who am I to stop them, everyone should be their own leader and follow no one but whats right for them

[Shane_Original]

So does the content.
So does the manner of presentation.
As does the decision whether or not to publish, and continue publishing what they choose.

Amazing this has to be explained.

^^Very glad I read page two before posting.

HUMOR: Would love to see a "Slander" case like this go to a court of law. :D <<not serious.

Not to say I agree with her at all, it was insulting perhaps, but slander could not be proven. (although I truly wish it could, it would make this issue so trivial we'd be dancing and singing love in the streets.) I'm fairly sure A'Shayana has been slandered all over this forum. (Not that I have an issue with that either)

Kerry, and Bill, are free to edit their videos however they want, whenever they want, regardless of their reason.. It is part of their presentation. Putting out information they do not perhaps 'agree" with is one thing.. opinions from one towards the others are different. That information is still available if you consider it info. Just not in a Camelot video, any longer. Quite simple, nothing violated, nothing different then has always been. I'm sure many such "comments/opinions" have been edited out in past videos.

If it were up to me.. I would omit the comments as well. Not because I believe either is true or false, but because I do not see it as important to the viewer. The sort of comment in question were 'tacky' and thats reason enough for their removal.

I love this show. Thanks to all of you for being here.

Shaynard

[Beth]

HUMOR: Would love to see a "Slander" case like this go to a court of law. :D <<not serious.

Not to say I agree with her at all, it was insulting perhaps, but slander could not be proven.


I really know nothing of the wingmakers, I think they are called, but if they have a commodity that they sell and someone in the same market is saying it's rubbish, I believe that it would be considered slanderous.

I also made a post in the other thread that I as a business owner have to prove that my product is worth buying by our work alone, not by trashing another. Just some points I wanted to bring up. I myself suspect people that slander another, just never feels right. It's one thing to say "so and so believes this, but it feels more right for me to be on this path." I think had it come out in that manner, it wouldn't have been such a big deal.

[Anchor]

If Ashayana Deane really has something important to say about this, and about her opinions on the Wingmakers then she has other avenues of expression available to her - upto and including posting on the forums, hers or this one.

TBH I think editing the video to remove the negative comments are probably doing AD a favour.

John..

[Shane_Original]

It's one thing to say "so and so believes this, but it feels more right for me to be on this path." I think had it come out in that manner, it wouldn't have been such a big deal.

I'm not sure she said any more than that. Besides, who can prove either one is correct? Can Wingmakers "prove" their 'product" is NOT "rubbish"? ( I do not believe it is either) I highly doubt such a case would be "entertained" in a court of law, but thats just speculation, and I may be wrong. (just thinking, all these people slander the court of law directly or indirectly, I'm sure thats frowned upon)

Not to "argue" just something that popped into my head is: Tonight I saw a "Sonic" commercial where two "sonic" employee's are at a Wendy's drivethru and order a Frosty (or w/e they call them). They go on about how it's "not real icecream'' effectively saying it's "not as good as Sonic" or "rubbish" compared to Sonic. A common tactic in advertising.

Nothing AD said was any different, if I remember correctly she actually went as far as to say she did not "hold it against" the people. Again, I stress, I do not support her comments at all.

Regardless of this trivial difference ... I support the removal. The idea of actually calling this slander makes me laugh a little ONLY because of the legal usage of the term, not because I disagree.


Love to you yaya.. :) I know little about the Wingmakers myself. About as little as I know about AD. ingested equal amounts of material from each.. which isn't much at all.

Shaynard

[Beth]

Oh no worries Shaynard, I know what you are saying. I was just saying as a business owner I can see how I can see they would take that down. It's like if someone on my business website left some feedback and said something bad about another plumbing company, I would take it down promptly. First, I wouldn't know what the legal implications were, and second, I don't want to be known as the plumbing company that talks crap about others, lol.

[Shane_Original]

Definitely agree with you yaya. :) It's poor taste and I am happy Kerry took it out. I'm sure it would require Bill or Kerry agreeing 1000% with such a comment to leave it be, after a request for it's removal came. Regardless of friendships or opinions on the material/comments. Kerry did the ''right thing". IMO.

Even in advertising I believe this sort of "thing" is a waste of valuable: youtube bandwidth/tape/digital space/energy/time/ potential for brilliance...

[Beth]

And hell, anyone can sue you for anything these days in the US, as a plumber I'm afraid to pee in anyone's toilet and overflow it! LOL

[kriya]

I completely agree with this ~ well done Kerry! Although I do think she should have edited it out in the first place. In my book its slander, pure a simple. I don't follow either AD or Wing makers. And legally both hold completely unsupportable claims.

However, It shows very bad form on the part of AD to criticise the Wing makers, especially when she cannot prove anything she says to be true.

Love,

Kriya

[Gita]

Ok have I just walked into kindergarden or a police state? I don’t appreciate being told what is the truth and what is not and was hoping others would respect people to exercise their own discernment and intuition but obviously we have to be TOLD on a supposed free thinking and information sharing forum what we should hear and what should not pass our senses according to other’s sense of truth. I feel I am being subjected to subjective truth and that rings alarm bells for me. I am big and ugly enough to discern for myself. I truly am disgusted but my eyes are opened a bit more now.

I also can’t understand what the whole big deal is about these vids? Never known any info to cause such fear which makes me think that some people go to any length to try and hide what could be potential truth. Watch out for such people for why have they such an investment in trying to suppress information.

Censorship sucks!:rant:

[shiva777]

Note: The A'shayana Deane interview is being re-edited in order to remove statements she made regarding the Wingmakers at the request of James of Wingmakers.com. I apologize for the inconvenience. They will be re-uploaded as soon as possible. --Kerry Lynn Cassidy, Project Camelot

From my blog re: the removal of statements by A'shayana Deane regarding Wingmakers

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

********

As many people know I was asked by James of Wingmakers to remove the comments made by A'shayana Deane in her video interview with regard to Wingmakers. This is a highly unusual situation. In fact, I don't recall it ever happening before to any Camelot video.

The issue here is complex. As a filmmaker and investigative reporter, it is inevitable that various people I interview are not all going to agree. In fact, many people in this sector don't like each other or have huge issues with the writings and viewpoints of every other researcher/experiencer. As a filmmaker/journalist I have a choice as to who to interview. I welcome bringing forward differing points of view because this widens the playing field and allows people to use their own discernment when considering all sides of the story.

Unfortunately, the line between attacking someone and voicing a difference of opinion or criticism is very thin and often wavering. In this case, the information regarding the Wingmakers has been excellent. We did a written interview with James a couple years ago and I believe it contains a great deal of wisdom. By the same token, my recent interview with A'shayana Deane is also, in my view, an excellent presentation of her material, from her sources. Both James and A'sha are speaking for their sources who, are off-planet and may inhabit other galaxies, dimensions or levels in this vast complex of multi-verses. They are both speaking from their hearts, believe what they are 'getting' from their sources and are working to convey their information for the betterment and upliftment of humanity, and they are both very passionate light warriors for their cause.

At the moment, we have warring factions on this planet between ETs, humans who are "us" in the future, extra-dimensionals, intra-dimensionals, discarnate beings and so on. In the midst of all of this, we at Camelot are endeavoring to bring forward what we consider the best and most important information we can find, regardless of the source. And this is crucial.

It is not enough to simply counsel people to KISS (keep it simple stupid)... We need thinking beings actively engaged here on planet Earth if we are to survive the coming changes. I encourage everyone to consider opposing points of view regardless of where they come from... simply because in doing so your powers to discern will grow. This is, in my view, the best way to learn.

As a filmmaker/investigator of this multi-verse and matrix I firmly believe in pushing the envelope. I am well aware that our witnesses (as I call them) often see things very differently. This is the point. It is in viewing the vast aspects of creation that we begin to learn what it means to be a creator.

The comments A'sha made in my interview are not complete in that, as she explains, she was about to, at the time of this interview, go into a workshop where she felt she would be given more extensive information with regard to the Wingmakers. What is not clear, is whether the Wingmakers she is referring to are indeed the same Wingmakers as those talked about on the Wingmakers.com website or whether A'sha and James are talking about different groups of beings.

I have received many emails asking why the comments A'sha made have to be removed... is Camelot bowing to the pressure of "interest groups"? Actually no. But I choose not to get involved in a legal battle either. And so, under the circumstances, with no clear indication as to whose source is more right than the other and because I firmly believe both A'shayana Deane and James of Wingmakers.com are coming from the heart, I am removing the offending statements. This is not, I wish to state, however, how I would recommend they deal with their differences.

I have asked both of them to:

1. Engage in dialog either in public or in private to discuss their differences.

and;

2. To make public statements as to their viewpoints on this matter, which I have agreed to post fully, without editing on this website.

From my pov, what is most crucial at this time is for differing factions to begin talking to each other. The time for secrecy is over.

This is a time when uniting toward a common goal (the upliftment or enlightenment of humanity) is crucial. Lightworkers or Light Warriors as I prefer to call them, need to unite and begin to work together. People who represent various ET and humanoid/human races need to openly discuss their differences. We can only benefit by more openness and full disclosure... The truth is out there and inside each of us... and we need to confront our differences with love and understanding. Only then can we begin to move forward to build the new future that awaits us.

Kerry Lynn Cassidy
Project Camelot
June 10, 2010

[stardustaquarion]

This is an unfortunate situation which can still be rectified.

Although I understand what Bill is saying it behooves me (and many others I imagine) to understand exactly what has been deleted and how anyone can validate the claims that it is "untrue"?

Once the video is publically submitted I would not sanction further editing unless it was a legal issue.

What I would have done instead was if indeed there was an objective factual "untruth" (instead of a subjective/personal one) then I would have cited a disclaimer on the actual video during those sections while providing a link or the resource to which it could be substantiated.

p.s. It's nothing against the Wingmakers, nor AD. I'm just trying to be fair and calling it how I see it.

I agree with this, I have seen Freeman do the same with David Icke. He just presented David Icke position on the subject and all happy. Every person has his say like they do in the BBC

Just a thought

[stardustaquarion]

Some of the things said by AD could, and I stress COULD, be seen as slanderous, that puts Bill and Kerry in a pickle. I don't see the problem with edit.


As far as I remember the talk was about the Corteus group not the wingmakers and only at the end Kerry asked Asha whether they were the same thing or separated and Asha said it was the same thing in the opinion of the Guardian Alliance

But there is a lot information against the Wingmakers on the net so I don't understand what is the big deal? Are they going to pull all that too?

Interesting

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Ok have I just walked into kindergarden or a police state? I don’t appreciate being told what is the truth and what is not and was hoping others would respect people to exercise their own discernment and intuition but obviously we have to be TOLD on a supposed free thinking and information sharing forum what we should hear and what should not pass our senses according to other’s sense of truth. I feel I am being subjected to subjective truth and that rings alarm bells for me. I am big and ugly enough to discern for myself. I truly am disgusted but my eyes are opened a bit more now.

I also can’t understand what the whole big deal is about these vids? Never known any info to cause such fear which makes me think that some people go to any length to try and hide what could be potential truth. Watch out for such people for why have they such an investment in trying to suppress information.

Censorship sucks!:rant:

Agree one hundred percent!

[Gita]

Shiva, thanks for posting the info. :thumb: I also find it odd that another group doesn’t want open opinions expressed especially in this arena. I didn’t find the comments on the vid towards Wingmakers at all offensive and took it just as someone’s opinion. I would have thought this kind of thing just came with the territory but obviously not! Well, big egos and lack of grace comes to mind!:rolleyes:

[stardustaquarion]

Note: The A'shayana Deane interview is being re-edited in order to remove statements she made regarding the Wingmakers at the request of James of Wingmakers.com. I apologize for the inconvenience. They will be re-uploaded as soon as possible. --Kerry Lynn Cassidy, Project Camelot

From my blog re: the removal of statements by A'shayana Deane regarding Wingmakers

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

********

As many people know I was asked by James of Wingmakers to remove the comments made by A'shayana Deane in her video interview with regard to Wingmakers. This is a highly unusual situation. In fact, I don't recall it ever happening before to any Camelot video.

The issue here is complex. As a filmmaker and investigative reporter, it is inevitable that various people I interview are not all going to agree. In fact, many people in this sector don't like each other or have huge issues with the writings and viewpoints of every other researcher/experiencer. As a filmmaker/journalist I have a choice as to who to interview. I welcome bringing forward differing points of view because this widens the playing field and allows people to use their own discernment when considering all sides of the story.

Unfortunately, the line between attacking someone and voicing a difference of opinion or criticism is very thin and often wavering. In this case, the information regarding the Wingmakers has been excellent. We did a written interview with James a couple years ago and I believe it contains a great deal of wisdom. By the same token, my recent interview with A'shayana Deane is also, in my view, an excellent presentation of her material, from her sources. Both James and A'sha are speaking for their sources who, are off-planet and may inhabit other galaxies, dimensions or levels in this vast complex of multi-verses. They are both speaking from their hearts, believe what they are 'getting' from their sources and are working to convey their information for the betterment and upliftment of humanity, and they are both very passionate light warriors for their cause.

At the moment, we have warring factions on this planet between ETs, humans who are "us" in the future, extra-dimensionals, intra-dimensionals, discarnate beings and so on. In the midst of all of this, we at Camelot are endeavoring to bring forward what we consider the best and most important information we can find, regardless of the source. And this is crucial.

It is not enough to simply counsel people to KISS (keep it simple stupid)... We need thinking beings actively engaged here on planet Earth if we are to survive the coming changes. I encourage everyone to consider opposing points of view regardless of where they come from... simply because in doing so your powers to discern will grow. This is, in my view, the best way to learn.

As a filmmaker/investigator of this multi-verse and matrix I firmly believe in pushing the envelope. I am well aware that our witnesses (as I call them) often see things very differently. This is the point. It is in viewing the vast aspects of creation that we begin to learn what it means to be a creator.

The comments A'sha made in my interview are not complete in that, as she explains, she was about to, at the time of this interview, go into a workshop where she felt she would be given more extensive information with regard to the Wingmakers. What is not clear, is whether the Wingmakers she is referring to are indeed the same Wingmakers as those talked about on the Wingmakers.com website or whether A'sha and James are talking about different groups of beings.

I have received many emails asking why the comments A'sha made have to be removed... is Camelot bowing to the pressure of "interest groups"? Actually no. But I choose not to get involved in a legal battle either. And so, under the circumstances, with no clear indication as to whose source is more right than the other and because I firmly believe both A'shayana Deane and James of Wingmakers.com are coming from the heart, I am removing the offending statements. This is not, I wish to state, however, how I would recommend they deal with their differences.

I have asked both of them to:

1. Engage in dialog either in public or in private to discuss their differences.

and;

2. To make public statements as to their viewpoints on this matter, which I have agreed to post fully, without editing on this website.

From my pov, what is most crucial at this time is for differing factions to begin talking to each other. The time for secrecy is over.

This is a time when uniting toward a common goal (the upliftment or enlightenment of humanity) is crucial. Lightworkers or Light Warriors as I prefer to call them, need to unite and begin to work together. People who represent various ET and humanoid/human races need to openly discuss their differences. We can only benefit by more openness and full disclosure... The truth is out there and inside each of us... and we need to confront our differences with love and understanding. Only then can we begin to move forward to build the new future that awaits us.

Kerry Lynn Cassidy
Project Camelot
June 10, 2010

Well there you have it, there is no slander only two people that have contacts off planet who have opposing views. Who one gives credit to is a personal choice that should not be taken from us.....My 2 cents

[lightblue]

john:

If Ashayana Deane really has something important to say about this, and about her opinions on the Wingmakers then she has other avenues of expression available to her - upto and including posting on the forums, hers or this one.

TBH I think editing the video to remove the negative comments are probably doing AD a favour.

John..


this consideration wouold be good if deane spoke of the top of her head – but she didn’t, ..not on this one….she was asked a question to which she answered…once again, she answered kerry’s question… maybe this discussion should be about whether kerry should have asked the question in the first place, or whether she should have phrased it differently, like: do you have something positive to say about the wingmakers…
you shouldn't have to employ a divine inspiration to sense that deane would be anything other than negative in relation to anything other than her belief…

i support you second notion – it’s how this has worked in effect ...:yu: l

[stardustaquarion]

If Ashayana Deane really has something important to say about this, and about her opinions on the Wingmakers then she has other avenues of expression available to her - upto and including posting on the forums, hers or this one.

TBH I think editing the video to remove the negative comments are probably doing AD a favour.

John..

Hi John, she has in her Voyagers II book 2nd edition published in 2002 and it has never been contested

:wave:

[greybeard]

"Freedom of speech in general"


Goebbels told a lie so often that millions died. He admitted that if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it.

When does freedom of speech become propaganda. History has shown that most people are in fact easily led by repeated stories, slogans etc.

Politicians spend a fortune on Spin doctors --- sound bites -- that in itself should inform us how gullible we are.
Have you ever met anyone who admitted to being gullible? Its always some one else who does not get it.

Those with an agenda will bombard one with information some of it accurate but it tends to be one sided.
It is biased reporting.
The other side to the story is barely recognized.

It not that we don't have enough freedom of speech it that we have too much speech,

Regards Chris

[Gita]

That's a bit extreme Chris! :blink: I'm pretty sure AD is not a mass murderer. :wink:

[stardustaquarion]

"Freedom of speech in general"


Goebbels told a lie so often that millions died. He admitted that if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it.

When does freedom of speech become propaganda. History has shown that most people are in fact easily led by repeated stories, slogans etc.

Politicians spend a fortune on Spin doctors --- sound bites -- that in itself should inform us how gullible we are.
Have you ever met anyone who admitted to being gullible? Its always some one else who does not get it.

Those with an agenda will bombard one with information some of it accurate but it tends to be one sided.
It is biased reporting.
The other side to the story is barely recognized.

It not that we don't have enough freedom of speech it that we have too much speech,

Regards Chris

Information overload is a reality and the disease of our times, done purposely of course. We are soo busy catching up that nothing else gets done and that which is important to know and grasp and may have great impact in our life gets ignored. Clever eh! Tptw have hundreds of thousands of agents roaming all sites making our discernment more difficult and taking from us the freedom that the internet once gave us

But don't worry Chris I am sure the internet will go down soon, I am told 3 months so make the most of it

Personally I am doing less internet and more life now cos life is going down too. I mean things will change beyond our wildest dreams for the worse soon so make the most of it while is still bearable!

So less free speach and more fresh air?

[greybeard]

That's a bit extreme Chris! :blink: I'm pretty sure AD is not a mass murderer. :wink:

Please re read again Gita you are seeing some thing I did not say.
I head lined it specifically

"Freedom of speech in general"

It was off topic but free speech has a responsibility inherent in it.
Is it true, is it accurate, does it serve the community, has it an agenda, is it self serving, is it just attention seeking?
So speech can be uplifting or damning I try but dont always succeed to uplift.

Regards Chris

[Bill Ryan]

An important (and I hope useful) note on "censorship":

Editing ones' own posts on this forum, editing one's own blog or website, or editing a video one has made oneself is not censorship.

Editing ANOTHER'S posts, website or videos, through a self-interested agenda, might be (sometimes).

The videos Kerry and I make are our own work. We usually do not censor ourselves. :)

To say this another way: our videos are our own statements - which feature the work of others. We make editing decisions all the time about what to include in something we publish. Anyone who's done any serious video or audio editing will understand fully.

I'm doing this right now with Jordan's Vatican trip, and and Igor Witkowski talking about the Nazi Bell. Editing questions are one of the things that takes time sometimes.

Kerry did exactly the right thing in re-editing the interview and the only thing to debate is whether or not it was edited in the optimum way in the first place. Kerry and I have OFTEN make editing errors (look and see! :) ) but usually when something is already published we move on.

When the editing error causes offense to another, we both want to put that right, unless we are both determined (as in the case of our interview with Steven Greer, for instance) to publish the full debate in the interests of challenging people to wake up and pay close attention.

We debated whether to release our 2012 interview with Patrick Geryl AT ALL. It's not "censorship" to decide not to upload a video to YouTube which one has recorded. It's a professional journalistic judgment which contains many factors.

In the recent published conversation between David and Jordan I edited out some parts which were not relevant, or in the flow of the theme. That INCREASES the quality, not decreases it.

Sometimes a short post on this forum is going to get more attention (and be easier to read) than a long one. Many of you will know that already. It's also the same with books, of course.

To summarize... "censorship" implies a self-interested agenda to suppress information. Kerry and I stand for the truth (whatever we perceive it to be... and this is a rolling road, subject to our path of learning: this works for us too!).

Meanwhile, any of you are free and welcome - and I encourage this, as many of you will already know - to make your own videos, start your own blogs or websites, organize your own conferences, and collect and publish your own information.

You are also welcome to go and interview Ashayana Deane yourselves (or anyone else you choose) and publish anything you see fit. I'd never stop you from doing that, even if I might not always agree with what you present. Then you may confront hands-on decisions, which fall on your shoulders, about what to include and what not to, and why.

Love to all, Bill

[Ross]

Please re read again Gita you are seeing some thing I did not say.
I head lined it specifically

"Freedom of speech in general"

It was off topic but free speech has a responsibility inherent in it.
Is it true, is it accurate, does it serve the community, has it an agenda, is it self serving, is it just attention seeking?
So speech can be uplifting or damning I try but dont always succeed to uplift.

Regards Chris


:nod:

Peace

[Jan Rodrigo]

An important (and I hope useful) note on "censorship":

Editing ones' own posts on this forum, editing one's own blog or website, or editing a video one has made oneself is not censorship.

Editing ANOTHER'S posts, website or videos, through a self-interested agenda, might be (sometimes).

The videos Kerry and I make are our own work. We usually do not censor ourselves. :)

To say this another way: our videos are our own statements - which feature the work of others. We make editing decisions all the time about what to include in something we publish. Anyone who's done any serious video or audio editing will understand fully.

I'm doing this right now with Jordan's Vatican trip, and and Igor Witkowski talking about the Nazi Bell. Editing questions are one of the things that takes time sometimes.

Kerry did exactly the right thing in re-editing the interview and the only thing to debate is whether or not it was edited in the optimum way in the first place. Kerry and I have OFTEN make editing errors (look and see! :) ) but usually when something is already published we move on.

When the editing error causes offense to another, we both want to put that right, unless we are both determined (as in the case of our interview with Steven Greer, for instance) to publish the full debate in the interests of challenging people to wake up and pay close attention.

We debated whether to release our 2012 interview with Patrick Geryl AT ALL. It's not "censorship" to decide not to upload a video to YouTube which one has recorded. It's a professional journalistic judgment which contains many factors.

In the recent published conversation between David and Jordan I edited out some parts which were not relevant, or in the flow of the theme. That INCREASES the quality, not decreases it.

Sometimes a short post on this forum is going to get more attention (and be easier to read) than a long one. Many of you will know that already. It's also the same with books, of course.

To summarize... "censorship" implies a self-interested agenda to suppress information. Kerry and I stand for the truth (whatever we perceive it to be... and this is a rolling road, subject to our path of learning: this works for us too!).

Meanwhile, any of you are free and welcome - and I encourage this, as many of you will already know - to make your own videos, start your own blogs or websites, organize your own conferences, and collect and publish your own information.

You are also welcome to go and interview Ashayana Deane yourselves (or anyone else you choose) and publish anything you see fit. I'd never stop you from doing that, even if I might not always agree with what you present. Then you may confront hands-on decisions, which fall on your shoulders, about what to include and what not to, and why.

Love to all, Bill

hi there bill i think this go's past weathier you can or cant as you have said you can do what you like
it is your forum

but i have a view questions
one thing u said in your (first post) was quote: Freedom of speech doesn't include an interviewed witness making UNTRUE statements to be published in a video that may be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.

so dose this mean there is evidence that what was said about the wingmakers is not true because if that is the case cool show us the evidence and im sure we well all agree it sould be removed.
i mean is there any real evidence the wing makers are real or any other aliens than what people say . now i do believe but that is my choice it all boils down to what you whant to believe


all so you have said that u support wingmakers 100%. so is it for personal reasons the information is being edited , because in that case it is just wrong you no i would never think of editing the Bible (even if i could ) just because I don’t believe in Christianity and there are in my opinion many more things I don’t believe in . but every one is intiled to belivie what they whant . un less you can proff to no dought there wrong.


all so you said that what you have done is quote: a professional journalistic judgment which contains many factors. weel when you air somthing in the public arena it is aired you can not then take things back people have all ready seen it . and if you whant to be professional then dont say things like she is not telling the truth or you bak the wingmakers 100% . for personal feelings sould not real be aired publicly I think we all agree that is a bit unprofessional. any way it is your forum you can do what you like , and it is your vedios so do what you whant but i think it would be nice if you help us to understand some of these questions
take care love jan

[OMG]

"Freedom of speech in general"

Goebbels told a lie so often that millions died. He admitted that if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it.

When does freedom of speech become propaganda. History has shown that most people are in fact easily led by repeated stories, slogans etc.

Politicians spend a fortune on Spin doctors --- sound bites -- that in itself should inform us how gullible we are.
Have you ever met anyone who admitted to being gullible? Its always some one else who does not get it.

Those with an agenda will bombard one with information some of it accurate but it tends to be one sided.
It is biased reporting.
The other side to the story is barely recognized.

It not that we don't have enough freedom of speech it that we have too much speech,

Regards Chris

Greetings my friend "greybeard",

Let's closely look at RESPONSE-ABILITY here.

There are subtle points about your words which disturb me. First and foremost, most of us still DO NOT KNOW what was removed from the videos? Thus, we cannot accurately claim anyone has "lied"? Also, how can any statement of "freedom of speech" be made when we are not FREE to know the facts?

Look, I'm not making a personal attack. I truly believe that you like and are defending the characters of Kerry and Bill. And I'm sure they are great well meaning people. But if I can make a comparison. I love and respect my parents, knowing that most everything they do is good and with integrity. They have a perfect track record in my book. But the unfortunate FACT of free-will beings is that anyone can change or make mistakes, errors in judgment, etc, at any time regardless of their track record.

Finally, Bill and Kerry can and are going to do what they want in their domains. For many that’s the end of it. But not for me when TRUTH is on the line...(is it just me or did "Princess Bride" just pop into my mind for a reason after I wrote that...LOL)

According to Kerry’s words she raised the argument that it could have been a legal issue. I’m not sure how on earth this could be the case, but I'm no lawyer. Yet what I do know is that the vast majority of their video guest’ have been slanderous and antagonistic to someone, some group, institution, government or beings. Which logically leads into the perspective that any two opposing viewpoints could potentially be considered slanderous if one or both persons chose to take offense. And of course this leads into - EVERYONE would have to cease interacting with EVERYONE since at a most fundamental level we are ALL each disassociated beings (by time/space, etc) from others and thus cannot exactly agree or relate to that which is not US.

So it really comes down to the individuals who are in debate. They can either Live and Let Live (path to selflessness) or try to thwart (path to self).

Cheers!

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[Kikine]

Well,.. I'm happy to have seen the interview before it was removed. I can then make my OWN opinion from seeing her OWN opinion about it. If we always remove parts where some are accusing others etc how can we know something is going on? We will just see the happy face and will miss a lot. I think it is important to know what some are thinking of other materials etc. But anyway, like they said, it is their work so we cannot say anything. They can do what they want. :)

[greybeard]

Greetings my friend "greybeard",

Let's closely look at RESPONSE-ABILITY here.

There are subtle points about your words which disturb me. First and foremost, most of us still DO NOT KNOW what was removed from the videos? Thus, we cannot accurately claim anyone has "lied"? Also, how can any statement of "freedom of speech" be made when we are not FREE to know the facts?

Look, I'm not making a personal attack. I truly believe that you like and are defending the characters of Kerry and Bill. And I'm sure they are great well meaning people. But if I can make a comparison. I love and respect my parents, knowing that most everything they do is good and with integrity. They have a perfect track record in my book. But the unfortunate FACT of free-will beings is that anyone can change or make mistakes, errors in judgment, etc, at any time regardless of their track record.

Finally, Bill and Kerry can and are going to do what they want in their domains. For many that’s the end of it. But not for me when TRUTH is on the line...(is it just me or did "Princess Bride" just pop into my mind for a reason after I wrote that...LOL)

According to Kerry’s words she raised the argument that it could have been a legal issue. I’m not sure how on earth this could be the case, but I'm no lawyer. Yet what I do know is that the vast majority of their video guest’ have been slanderous and antagonistic to someone, some group, institution, government or beings. Which logically leads into the perspective that any two opposing viewpoints could potentially be considered slanderous if one or both persons chose to take offense. And of course this leads into - EVERYONE would have to cease interacting with EVERYONE since at a most fundamental level we are ALL each disassociated beings (by time/space, etc) from others and thus cannot exactly agree or relate to that which is not US.

So it really comes down to the individuals who are in debate. They can either Live and Let Live (path to selflessness) or try to thwart (path to self).

Cheers!

Honestly I am not defending anyone and I wasn't making subtle points though I can see why you could think that.
The way my mind thinks is that there is a debate which triggers a parallel in response.
A lot of what I post is actually of topic but triggered by the essence of the topic.

What what said here prompted the thread "Responsibility"

I agree with a lot of what you have said and like you I would support truth and would and will tactfully disagree with anything that I feel is not "right".
I never got Wingmakers it just was not for me.
A lot of Bill and Kerry's interviews are not for me but I have greatest respect for the two of them.
Regards to you my friend
Chris

ps please see post 36
I state there clearly it was off topic and the heading repeated
Love C.

[Fredkc]

Bill Ryan;
Meanwhile, any of you are free and welcome - and I encourage this, as many of you will already know - to make your own videos, start your own blogs or websites, organize your own conferences, and collect and publish your own information.

You are also welcome to go and interview Ashayana Deane yourselves (or anyone else you choose) and publish anything you see fit. I'd never stop you from doing that, even if I might not always agree with what you present. Then you may confront hands-on decisions, which fall on your shoulders, about what to include and what not to, and why.
Also, I believe the point was that is wasn't truth that was on the line. Hence removed.

From a strictly financial point of view;
Where is it written that Avalon should "pay the freight" (bandwidth, etc) for any disagreements between two outside parties?

Why should Avalon be the "arbiter of truth" or the go between for two outside parties?

It seems the argument here is over Camelot choosing not to step into it. This is a Camelot decision, anyway. Other than Bill stating he supported Kerry's decision, AV doesn't seem to have a dog in this hunt. In fact, Camelot/LightWarrior has it's own forum (http://projectlightwarrior.com/new/index.php?option=com_agora&Itemid=41). Why not take this to the source?

[Bill Ryan]

Folks, there are several ongoing threads connected to this topic. Best read them all before jumping to conclusions. :)

I posted the letter from James to Kerry here (copied from her blog):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2698-Ashayana-Deane-Freedom-of-Speech-thread!&p=26086#post26086

Here you can read James' own words. (Read the rest of James' letter, too. It's beautifully presented.)


Here are the primary inaccuracies, as they pertain to the WingMakers materials:

1) The identity of the WingMakers is not how I have portrayed them, but rather they are a fallen race of ETs with a dark agenda.

2) That the WingMakers art and music activate a DNA response from those who view or listen to the material that brings about a negative merkaba.

3) That the WingMakers caused the recent earthquakes in Chile, killing innocent lives.

This is why Kerry re-edited the video. She was right to have done so. It was a matter of integrity

Love to all, Bill

[Ross]

Also, I believe the point was that is wasn't truth that was on the line. Hence removed.

From a strictly financial point of view;
Where is it written that Avalon should "pay the freight" (bandwidth, etc) for any disagreements between two outside parties?

Why should Avalon be the "arbiter of truth" or the go between for two outside parties?

It seems the argument here is over Camelot choosing not to step into it. This is a Camelot decision, anyway. Other than Bill stating he supported Kerry's decision, AV doesn't seem to have a dog in this hunt. In fact, Camelot/LightWarrior has it's own forum (http://projectlightwarrior.com/new/index.php?option=com_agora&Itemid=41). Why not take this to the source?

I agree with you on this fred.

Peace

[Rimbaud]

Bill,

Thanks for your input Bill..There seem to be as many folk trying to rebuild your bridge with Kerry as of those tring to destroy it. I wish all the best for the pair of you of course..but really, if you can't see eye to eye and don't ever see the prospect of doing so..then you should both come clean and draw your "lines in the sand".

Personally I have no desire to watch an online bitching match as I'd thought I'd left all that b/s behind when I left school many moons ago..(not that there was an online then!)..I'm sure that you both feel the same way so this becomes a mute point after all. I honestly hope that things calm down a bit; and if you find that you can't work with Kerry, or visa versa; then what is the next step? I personally don't need a life plan, but there are many out there who took Bill and Kerry at their word and resent this squabble.

Best Regards

Rimbaud

[shiva777]

June 10 : Updated as of 5:00pm PST

Ashayana Deane's brief response to James, more to come...

Also see below for Jame's Letter and his email to Ashayana as well as my statement

From: Asha Deane <ashadeane@gmail.com>
Date: June 10, 2010 3:59:29 PM PDT
To: kerry@projectcamelot.org
Subject: GA/Asha Deane response to Wingmakers

Hi Kerry, Ashayana Deane here. I'm really sorry you ended up caught in the middle of this "Wingmakers" issue. I just became aware of your site-posting regarding this issue, and of your posting of Jame's letter, today (June 10, 2010) at about 4PM; as I write this note it is 5:37PM. In my opinion you did a wonderful job in being fair and balanced in your commentary. I'm writing this note to you to let you know that the GA & I would like to respond to Jame's posted letter (& to his very accusatory personal e-mail to me) if you would be kind enough to post my letter on your site also.

I'd also like to call to your attention that whatever copyright infringements James has hinted that I have done do not apply for the following reason: In our 2002 Publication of my/GA "Voyagers-Secrets of Amenti-2nd Edition" non-fiction book (Granite Publishing), on pages 553-554, the GA provided a commentary of their opinion pertaining to a group of actual, not fictional, "service to self" ETs, who are "commonly known in the public domain" as the Wingmakers & Corteum and the earth human "Labyrinth Group" associated with the "Ancient Arrow" archaeological site, whom according to the GA are being covertly manipulated and deceived by the aforementioned non-fictional ET groups. This information has been in published form in my book for 8 years, through which period I had no personal knowledge of "James' fictional Wingmakers" story. My knowledge of the subject was limited to the commentary the GA published in 2002 and that the names the GA chose to use in their transmission were "commonly known in the public domain" in "some form or another", and thus the GA had the right to make commentary and express their opinion regarding names that could be found in the public domain. If there was any unintentional "right infringements" in our use of those names, my publisher saw no issue with it in 2002; the book is still in print just as it was published in 2002 as a 2nd Edition to my 1999 1st edition.


Personally, I'm wondering at this point if James' fiction story was a bit more "directly inspired" or channeled than he realizes...but either way the GA's "Wingmakers" commentary was a small part of a much larger verbatim transmission on numerous subjects that is in my 2002 book, and THAT information is directly a part of the GA's CDT-Plate historical information (there are 24 Ancient Arrow trans-harmonic star-gate sites on earth, that were created by and originally belonged to the GA-Elohei and related Mashaya-hana Adashi Adept councils; 7 of these 24 sites fell into the hands of the HISTORICAL "Wingmakers"/"Corteum" non-fiction ET groups.). An interesting question for me is "Did James invent these names as he says he did, or did his "spiritual inspiration" actually give him those names from the CDT-Plate historical record, which is "common knowledge' among most ET races?


Whatever the answer to that question is, I don't really care, and feel that James is sincere and well-meaning, even if our respective "Wingmakers" accounts differ; since we are both motivated by truth and helping others to become more aware and enlightened, I don't see why James has a problem with the public having the right to explore "different perspectives" on an issue. I'd be glad to have a public discussion with James, if he is interested, and it saddens me that he feels the need to accuse me of "attacking" his work, when the reality of what I have done is simply report what the GA's perspective is on something found in the CDT-plate historical records and which is published in my book for 8 years. Hopefully in my responding to his letter , James and I can reach a "space of peace" regarding it being all right for people to have different ideas and opinions and to share them, so that others have the opportunity to examine and compare ideas for themselves and make their own decisions. In our recent April 2010 workshop the GA revealed more information pertaining to the GA- Ancient Arrow sites and affectionately referred to the "above mentioned historical and current service to self ET races" as the "Wing-dongs" (as in "how can they be so silly in thinking their invasion-plan from the future-parallel can actually still work 2011-2013"..). Perhaps James would prefer I call the "GA's Wingmakers" "Wing-dongs" instead...or maybe "Wing-dings or Wing-things"? I think the whole issue over the names is silly, and that people have a right to view both perspectives on words that are found "as common reference in the public domain". James is fully entitled to his fictional perspectives on the "Wingmakers", and the GA and I are likewise entitled to our perspective; truly sorry he has found this threatening as no harm to him or to his work is intended by me or the GA. Hopefully we can all come together in a common vision of loving, mature understanding in a shared vision of "every one's right to express their understanding of truth and share that truth to inspire growth and empowerment for others".


Thanks Kerry, for your time and for the interview; as for your being pressured by James to edit out my interview statements regarding the GA's Wingmakers for fear of copyright issues, you have every right to allow me to speak about information contained in my own published books for 8 years; he has no right to "try to silence" you, me or the GA via the intentional "Information Black-out" he is trying to use to create in order to protect his own interests. I trust you will continue to do what you feel is right and fair. As it will probably take me a day or two (June 11-13, 2010) to write a thoughtful direct response to James' posted letter, if you feel it would be helpful to people visiting your site you have my permission to post this private e-mail to you in its entirety, until my official response to James is rendered. Posting this e-mail may help dispel some of the public confusion emerging over you feeling the need to "edit/sensor" my interview. Much love and respect to you Kerry, and to James, with whom I hope to share a public discussion with sometime soon if he is willing. ...With Light, Love, Awareness & Freedom...Ashayana Deane

[Fredkc]

personal use marker placed here.

[Beth]

I need to steal a quote from a very good friend of mine right now "OH FOR GOD'S SAKE" (it's quite funny as she has a Pennsylvania accent)

This silly little matter has gotten quite drama ridden, and is already feeling so old and passe.

[OMG]

Chello' again "greybeard"

You seem the pleasant chap. Yes, in post #36 you do state that the heading was "off topic". But honestly, the mind doesn't just create a post within a thread which is "off topic". There is ALWAYS a connection and I'm sure many others could see the same connections I made. And even if it was all just coincidence...well, my points still needed to be made and your words were the catalyst to make that happen.

p.s. I wasn't implying that you were trying to intentionally create subtle points, (or hidden agendas). Words can be very limiting and there is room for much interpretation. Instead I was stating that I saw subtle points which needed to be addressed.

Striving Beyond the Stars...Kind Regards

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[Fredkc]

I need to steal a quote from a very good friend of mine right now "OH FOR GOD'S SAKE" (it's quite funny as she has a Pennsylvania accent)
This silly little matter has gotten quite drama ridden, and is already feeling so old and passe.
Amazing. And as I said before, it isn't even an Avalon interview. In fact, Camelot/LightWarrior has it's own forum (http://projectlightwarrior.com/new/index.php?option=com_agora&Itemid=41). Why not take this to the source?

Do people go stomp their foot in Burger King, every time they get a bad burger at McDonald's?

[Beth]

Amazing. And as I said before, it isn't even an Avalon interview. In fact, Camelot/LightWarrior has it's own forum (http://projectlightwarrior.com/new/index.php?option=com_agora&Itemid=41). Why not take this to the source?

Do people go stomp their foot in Burger King, every time they get a bad burger at McDonald's?

Mmmmmm, burger king onion rings sound great right now!!! :p

[greybeard]

Mmmmmm, burger king onion rings sound great right now!!! :p

Oh yes
Lets go get the wind up
Do they have vegetarian?
We are less smelly when we pass wind.
I would rather die laughing than get all het up over other peoples onions - I mean opinions
C
.

[Beth]

Oh yes
Lets go get the wind up
Do they have vegetarian?
We are less smelly when we pass wind.
I would rather die laughing than get all het up over other peoples onions - I mean opinions
C
.

LOL, exactly!!! Though I'm the sort that laughs my ass off when wind is passed!

[OMG]

Folks, there are several ongoing threads connected to this topic. Best read them all before jumping to conclusions. :)...

Hello Bill,

There was no "jumping to conclusions from me"?

I am fairly new to this forum and only knew of two threads which dealt with this topic. They were this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2835-Camelot-Removing-video-footage-upon-request (which I started the same day I became aware of Kerry's video editing notice) and this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2538-MUST-SEE-Asahayana-Deane-explains-ascension-mechanics-and-ET-involvement

I only briefly noticed the thread you referenced http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2698-Ashayana-Deane-Freedom-of-Speech-thread! when searching for AD in your search engine several days back. I briefly skimmed through it but found it didn't contribute anything that I felt warranted its own thread. In fact I was a bit confused at the title since I had no idea in what way AD was being restricted from FREE SPEECH? And it thread started on June 4th so I didn't think it dealt with Kerry's video editing message which I thought came later???


Folks, there are several ongoing threads connected to this topic. Best read them all before jumping to conclusions.

I posted the letter from James to Kerry here (copied from her blog):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...6086#post26086

Here you can read James' own words. (Read the rest of James' letter, too. It's beautifully presented.)

Here are the primary inaccuracies, as they pertain to the WingMakers materials:

1) The identity of the WingMakers is not how I have portrayed them, but rather they are a fallen race of ETs with a dark agenda.

2) That the WingMakers art and music activate a DNA response from those who view or listen to the material that brings about done is put a disclaimer on a negative merkaba.

3) That the WingMakers caused the recent earthquakes in Chile, killing innocent lives.
This is why Kerry re-edited the video. She was right to have done so. It was a matter of integrity

Love to all, Bill

James is certainly an eloquent writer. But he is wrong in wanting the questionable sections deleted. Not to mention that we are only hearing his side. And even if he is correct (although we would need the unedited video to confirm this) listening and watching something adds dimension to it beyond just the written word.

Again Kerry and You can do what you want. But what I would have done is put a disclaimer on all that section of the video releasing Camelot from a legal recourse. In fact, I would put one on ALL my videos past/present/future and be done with worry or editing upon request. Plus I would have reference a rebuttal link on behalf of James (when it became available). This lets people have as much sensory input into the issue as possible. And the more senses involved in an issue (even beyond the 5 most people think we have) the better.

Finally, people need to see that virtually all of Camelot’s videos defame some one, some group, some government or entity, etc. Responsible journalism vs. censoring…whatever…this is about EGOS, Personal Preferences and Posturing plan and simple…

Snooze and we ALL lose!!!

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[stardustaquarion]

My personal perspective is that in the guidelines of the forum no subject has been expressely forbiden other than the usual no drugs, illigal, porn etc., so I don't understand why it is being suggested now that this should only be debated outside the forum.

To say that this particular interview that is offering a cosmic perspective of our problems downhere, should only be discussed in certain sites is a bit extreme at best. When I don't like the subject I just don't read the thread I don't try to supress others, I express my opinion if I want to but that is all

We have discused many of Kerrys interviews here and no one has said anything before which makes perspectives rather comfusing. THere is even a thread where Kerry herself is being discussed. Should the people doing that go a complain in her forum instead?

It makes you wonder what is in that interview that is friying nerves. If it is so silly why bother even discussing it and if it is not and people really "resonate" as has been mentioned by many here, why some are trying to supress its very existance

Either we have freedom of speach or we don't. I am all for expressing one's opinion with respect for the subject of the threads and each other

And now I am looking forward to the GA/Asha official response and the public debate between James and Asha....

[Gita]

Thanks for posting the above Stardust.:thumb: This looks increasingly suspect to me as to why a fictional wingmaker has kicked off in such a way especially when none of it relates to it – if I was a fictional writer then I’d be grateful for the publicity. Looks like just a case of mistaken identity or is there more to it than that? Getting the info out of public domain perhaps? One can only wonder! Just wished this drama was over so we can get back to watching the interviews and see for ourselves. :rolleyes:

[Timmoth]

An important (and I hope useful) note on "censorship":

Editing ones' own posts on this forum, editing one's own blog or website, or editing a video one has made oneself is not censorship.

Editing ANOTHER'S posts, website or videos, through a self-interested agenda, might be (sometimes).

The videos Kerry and I make are our own work. We usually do not censor ourselves. :)
...
The way it seems to me is that the second form is what has happened here.
Kerry has made the video and posted it (I commented on Youtube in admiration of how she handled the dis' of Wingmaker's seeing as I know she's a fan of that material) but then James has come along and had it edited to suit his interests.
Kerry gave in I think because she is a fan of James, and therefore he has gotten his way more easily than someone else might have (even when 'Henry Deacon' wanted the Solar Warden stuff removed you wouldn't do it).
So yes, this does feel like censorship in that round about way.

[Celine]

censorship is not a four letter word...

[Gita]

censorship is not a four letter word...

It's still foul...

[Celine]

Not always...sometimes it is nessecery...

as a parent...as a member of society...sometimes it is invaluable ..

i see bill as a form of artist...and what he presents to us is HIS art...he can do as he wishes with it.

i belive Deaan had her own film crew filming the interview at the same time as kerrys (for the production of a dvd ad plans on selling) if Deann chooses to leave it in...its her choice IMHO

[stardustaquarion]

Thanks for posting the above Stardust.:thumb: This looks increasingly suspect to me as to why a fictional wingmaker has kicked off in such a way especially when none of it relates to it – if I was a fictional writer then I’d be grateful for the publicity. Looks like just a case of mistaken identity or is there more to it than that? Getting the info out of public domain perhaps? One can only wonder! Just wished this drama was over so we can get back to watching the interviews and see for ourselves. :rolleyes:

I don't get it either, what does James have to do with ACIO, here there is an account and critical investigation of the concept http://www.uforq.asn.au/articles/wingmakers.html

PS

I have now found this:

For those who don't know, James appeared on the website in 2001 claiming to be the originator of all of the WingMakers material. He also claimed that the WingMakers story was only a modern day myth. I originally thought the WingMakers story might be a myth, but after seeing the level of subtle, yet very sophisticated changes and the energy behind the new material added to the website, I became convinced that the original story was likely true and a cover-up was taking place involving James and those working with him. I invite you to open to your own spiritual guidance and draw your own conclusions as you explore these intriguing matters.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakersinterviewschanges

This subject is not clear at all

[Sarahmay]

The way it seems to me is that the second form is what has happened here.
Kerry has made the video and posted it (I commented on Youtube in admiration of how she handled the dis' of Wingmaker's seeing as I know she's a fan of that material) but then James has come along and had it edited to suit his interests.
Kerry gave in I think because she is a fan of James, and therefore he has gotten his way more easily than someone else might have (even when 'Henry Deacon' wanted the Solar Warden stuff removed you wouldn't do it).
So yes, this does feel like censorship in that round about way.

Absolutely right on. This whole thing is frickin' ridiculous!

[Fredkc]

I would rather die laughing than get all het up over other peoples onions - I mean opinions
C.
To paraphrase
"Everyone has an onion. And everyone else's makes you cry." ;)

[stardustaquarion]

Absolutely right on. This whole thing is frickin' ridiculous!

Yes, ridiculous is the word :yes4:

[Gita]

Not always...sometimes it is nessecery...

as a parent...as a member of society...sometimes it is invaluable ..

i see bill as a form of artist...and what he presents to us is HIS art...he can do as he wishes with it.

i belive Deaan had her own film crew filming the interview at the same time as kerrys (for the production of a dvd ad plans on selling) if Deann chooses to leave it in...its her choice IMHO

I would say most definitely always (censorship is foul) and in the adult world and especially on this forum is not only unnecessary but also offensive to my senses – you see most of us here are after the truth and truth never contains censorship – the two can and will never mix. In this context I can’t see how as a parent it’s invaluable – we are not children here and that statement is irrelevant here. :wink:

As for AD having her own film crew there (as you suggest), then I say good on her. It doesn’t make sense for her to sell her own interview when it’s already out there for free but maybe she took a leaf out of Michael Jackson’s book and found it wise to have her own copy in case of undesirable editing. Smart lady I say. :)

Fred, whether it’s onions, bunions or opinions – well I’m sure they all make some people cry!:laugh:

[Celine]

Journalists do not publish when ther eis a suicide in the metro (underground train)...they CENSOR the story...as to not motivate others to maybe do the same...

i have censored information...filtered it so to speak...for my children.

I dont hid anything...but there is a time..a place..and a manner in which they should (when young and growing up) be exposed to certain things.

You are after the truth...

hmm

Your truth? Mine? or THE truth?

Becuase..to be honest...rare is the person in here that is "searching" these last few days it seems everyone just "wants to be right"

Pointless argument..

[Gita]

Journalists do not publish when ther eis a suicide in the metro (underground train)...they CENSOR the story...as to not motivate others to maybe do the same...

i have censored information...filtered it so to speak...for my children.

I dont hid anything...but there is a time..a place..and a manner in which they should (when young and growing up) be exposed to certain things.

You are after the truth...

hmm

Your truth? Mine? or THE truth?

Becuase..to be honest...rare is the person in here that is "searching" these last few days it seems everyone just "wants to be right"

Pointless argument..

IMO the first statement is irrelevant here in the context we speak of (no disrespect to you hun) but we must keep in context of the nature of this forum and children really have nothing to do with any of it although you are absolutely right when it comes to parenting children.

It is not a matter of whose truth angel, it’s a matter of censoring any part of anyone’s or anything’s truth. We must also remember everyone’s view is different and respect is key.

No arguments here... :)

[stardustaquarion]

As for AD having her own film crew there (as you suggest), then I say good on her. It doesn’t make sense for her to sell her own interview when it’s already out there for free but maybe she took a leaf out of Michael Jackson’s book and found it wise to have her own copy in case of undesirable editing. Smart lady I say. :)

She is indeed. Either she is clairvoyant and can see the future or the GA really exists and they have more that just a looking glass

I must say that the speakers never cease to impress. Look at what it is happened in the USG and Guatemala. Asha explained the situation of the rods and sinkholes at the begining of April before both incidents and gave us a map with the critical points in October last year and today people are saying that the seabead is broken?

To much of a coincidence I'll say

[Gita]

Very interesting Stardust especially when most here know there are no coincidences. :wink:

[lightblue]

stardustaquarion is on a distinguished road stardustaquarion's Avatar

Default Re: Camelot - Removing video footage upon request?

My personal perspective is that in the guidelines of the forum no subject has been expressely forbiden other than the usual no drugs, illigal, porn etc., so I don't understand why it is being suggested now that this should only be debated outside the forum.

To say that this particular interview that is offering a cosmic perspective of our problems downhere, should only be discussed in certain sites is a bit extreme at best. When I don't like the subject I just don't read the thread I don't try to supress others, I express my opinion if I want to but that is all

We have discused many of Kerrys interviews here and no one has said anything before which makes perspectives rather comfusing. THere is even a thread where Kerry herself is being discussed. Should the people doing that go a complain in her forum instead?

It makes you wonder what is in that interview that is friying nerves. If it is so silly why bother even discussing it and if it is not and people really "resonate" as has been mentioned by many here, why some are trying to supress its very existance

Either we have freedom of speach or we don't. I am all for expressing one's opinion with respect for the subject of the threads and each other

And now I am looking forward to the GA/Asha official response and the public debate between James and Asha....



sorry stardust
i used to like your posts and your presence here until i started to pay closer attention...

really, i don’t think you do have much respect for this readership, maybe not enough self respect either... in place of this post this morning stood something completely different to which gita replied... you comprehensively edited /changed it some 20 min after ...now, i understand we all do it for different reasons, but i believe it goes without saying that you don’t comprehensively change (except for grammar, spelling etc.) your post once it’s been answered to....i was sipping my coffee reading yours then gita’s posts earlier today, just to find the following moment that yours is suddenly totally different...you are in effect manipulating gita’s post making it look as if it is a response to which it isn’t..

you have done it before... you made my reply to your post over at another thread sound out of place, silly and mean by going back and editing out what provoked my response to you in the first place....this was some hours after you wrote it and i responded to it...another fine example of rough manipulation...it would have been a lot easier, thoughtful and respectful to have simply apologised for what you may have written in a huff...(in the example of my response yours)...

i would also like to know if the moderators are noticing this style of debating and if you’ve been warned....

thanks ....l

[stardustaquarion]

You are mistaken lightblue, I don't recall if I may have corrected a typo but I am sure Gita remembers exactly what I said so why you don't ask her rather than making unfounded accusations. I know you don't like me but I think you are pushing it

[Gita]

:blink:

The post as it is sounds familiar to what I remember reading and replying to before. I seriously don't remember it exactly as I'm not that clever and I've read and posted loads of posts today but I can only say that I still am in agreement of what was posted. I do hope these address your concerns blue. :) :hug:

[stardustaquarion]

:blink:

The post as it is sounds familiar to what I remember reading and replying to before. I seriously don't remember it exactly as I'm not that clever and I've read and posted loads of posts today but I can only say that I still am in agreement of what was posted. I do hope these address your concerns blue. :) :hug:

Thank you Gita :kiss:

[Celine]

Honestly...this is getting out of hand..

May i ask..that all sides take 5 minutes to look at the world from the others point of view...


Star..Gita..you know i love you and respect you i have found it difficult to express my concerns int he last few days out of fear of making either of you feel like i dont respect your beliefs.. others here are also expressing this point of view....

critism when offered with love and respect should never be taken as an attack...

So many important issues today..please dont forget..

Together we awaken , Together we rise, Together we change.

[lightblue]

stardust:

Default Re: Camelot - Removing video footage upon request?
You are mistaken lightblue, I don't recall if I may have corrected a typo but I am sure Gita remembers exactly what I said so why you don't ask her rather than making unfounded accusations. I know you don't like me but I think you are pushing it



no i am not mistaken star, i saw it with my eyes this morning...

dear gita, ithanks for your comment but i really do not need you in this because i saw what i saw this morning myself (can be tracked back in edits history i believe)…i appreciate you may not mind it but i did…besides, actions like this obstruct the natural development of any thread….

dear star
likes and dislikes to matter here and I do not like post manipulation….any other dislike I can mention is asha dean who i think is not in her right mind….maybe this is why you got the impression that i don’t like you – i placed critical comments regarding deane , but never before was critical of you…not until i found out what I wrote about in my previous post above..

anyway here’s a reminder:
you post #’385 (page 39) of MUST SEE – ashayanna deane explains etc… to which i answered by my comment #389 stands as almost completely changed after i responded..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2538-MUST-SEE-Asahayana-Deane-explains-ascension-mechanics-and-ET-involvement/page39

You know people

If you want to learn anything about keylontic sciences, freedom teachings, azuritepress, or Ashayana Deane. Make your own research......satisfy yourself....there is nothing like self empowerment. I done it myself

your questions have been answered a number of times, you can read them above



Done my best, I give up


makes me sad as my comment ( #389) below sounds mean and out of place now:


i would worry about being re-asigned while in this emotional/vibrational frequency...in your place, i'd ask for a postponement....seriously, this comment emits a very basic frequency - not nearly good enough to hold water, let alone keys to ascension....best wishes l

your comprehensive editing does not serve the natural development of this thread here’s what i actually responded to/what your original post was like:



You know people

I have provided answers to the majority of your questions out of my good heart, because I care and because I know that the matrix is powerful and that nothing that comes from the matrix will get you out of the matrix

But I had a chat with my guardian team last night, yes I have a guardian team that works with me in other time/continuoms, and we arrived to the conclusion that while people are still workshiping money and they can not see, there is not point in wasting my time and energy anymore. I have been re-asigned.....

So, if you want to learn anything about keylontic sciences, freedom teachings, azuritepress, or Ashayana Deane. Make your own research......satisfy yourself....I don't have to help anyone

I done enough to facilitate and explain things that were not clear, nobody has taken the trouble to read my posts, it is self evident because the same subjects pop up

ranting whinging ranting whinging ranting whinging ranting whinging

So if Fredkc can do it, I can too

Do you know what fiat currency means?

Do you know that being enlighten = illuminated ?

Do you know that ALL the new age movement is Illuminati Luciferian mind control deviced by MKultra to do the transition into OWO?


i put what i did particularly because of the icon you used (not captured by quote caption) representing mooning (flashing a naked bottom to the world) which stood by your ”if fredks can do it, i can too”…i believe this must be saved in the edits history..

without wishing anything bad, i was simply offering a little reminder to get this thread back into a positive perspective .. .thanks l.

[bettye198]

Hi All, I just logged on after 8 pages of threads bc I was viewing the Ashayana interviews and all the rumble on the site about James. Another forum also posted the fury over that including Drunvalo and the Merkaba statements. First off, I am a solid Ashayana fan and have read the books. Hearing her talk, seeing her talk only validated what I felt. Decades of following around all the channelers and spokespeople and now we have pertinent, specific info we can hang onto. I wrote Kerry an email and could not find in my heart a reason to eliminate on video what was already in print for 8 yrs. Come on. Here is a salient point. Ashayana is full disclosure of herself - what she is and where she gets her info. James is an enigma, a total mystery man. He does not give us his full name, no bio, no info on WHERE he gets his data, who he is connected to etc. Am I the only one who wants to dispel the fantasy here? At first I loved the music and the DVD's then the low humming vibratory tone unnerved me. Asha was right. If we know anything, we know this. That truth is always going to be mixed in with the untruth on this phantom planet. Our goal is to discern well. James is connected to something I don't want to know about, or maybe I do. Even Kerry could not do a film with him, only a taped transcripted interview.

I think there is something wrong with this picture and it isn't Ashayana.

[stardustaquarion]

stardust:

no i am not mistaken star, i saw it with my eyes this morning...

dear gita, ithanks for your comment but i really do not need you in this because i saw what i saw this morning myself (can be tracked back in edits history i believe)…i appreciate you may not mind it but i did…besides, actions like this obstruct the natural development of any thread….

dear star
likes and dislikes to matter here and I do not like post manipulation….any other dislike I can mention is asha dean who i think is not in her right mind….maybe this is why you got the impression that i don’t like you – i placed critical comments regarding deane , but never before was critical of you…not until i found out what I wrote about in my previous post above..

anyway here’s a reminder:
you post #’385 (page 39) of MUST SEE – ashayanna deane explains etc… to which i answered by my comment #389 stands as almost completely changed after i responded..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2538-MUST-SEE-Asahayana-Deane-explains-ascension-mechanics-and-ET-involvement/page39


makes me sad as my comment ( #389) below sounds mean and out of place now:



your comprehensive editing does not serve the natural development of this thread here’s what i actually responded to/what your original post was like:




i put what i did particularly because of the icon you used (not captured by quote caption) representing mooning (flashing a naked bottom to the world) which stood by your ”if fredks can do it, i can too”…i believe this must be saved in the edits history..

without wishing anything bad, i was simply offering a little reminder to get this thread back into a positive perspective .. .thanks l.



A friend from USA called me and told me about your post

Here is Fred's (Moderator) mooning icon http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2687-Avatar-rebuttals&p=24780&viewfull=1#post24780 which he inserted in his Avatar thread because he was feed up with people not understanding his intention


It is self explanatory

As for the rest, I never denied I edited the post you mentioned before, on the other Ashayana thread, when I changed it I was not aware of yours and then I decided why bother
If we were not entitled to edit our posts there will be no edit button in the first place. Many people in this forum edit and delete their posts, it is not a crime. Sometimes we can be a bit flustered and upset. We all have out moments

The post you think I made is this one, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2538-MUST-SEE-Asahayana-Deane-explains-ascension-mechanics-and-ET-involvement&p=26378&viewfull=1#post26378 but it is in other thread, or post 444 in the Ashayana Deane explains.... at 9:23 am. Easy mistake as there are now too many threads on the same subject

Or maybe it is this one in this thread made by Shiva? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2835-Camelot-Removing-video-footage-upon-request&p=26277&viewfull=1#post26277

So please take some chamomile and give me a break! I think this thread is about Ashayana and not me

I know you don't like me because I am not playing "nice and cluless" "don't rock the boat" agenda. The reality is that I care and I walk my talk

Now I am going back to bed

[lightblue]

stardust:

A friend from USA called me and told me about your post

Here is Fred's (Moderator) mooning icon http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post24780 which he inserted in his Avatar thread because he was feed up with people not understanding his intention


It is self explanatory

As for the rest, I never denied I edited the post you mentioned before, on the other Ashayana thread, when I changed it I was not aware of yours and then I decided why bother
If we were not entitled to edit our posts there will be no edit button in the first place. Many people in this forum edit and delete their posts, it is not a crime. Sometimes we can be a bit flustered and upset. We all have out moments

The post you think I made is this one, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post26378 but it is in other thread, or post 444 in the Ashayana Deane explains.... at 9:23 am. Easy mistake as there are now too many threads on the same subject

Or maybe it is this one in this thread made by Shiva? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post26277

So please take some chamomile and give me a break! I think this thread is about Ashayana and not me

I know you don't like me because I am not playing "nice and cluless" "don't rock the boat" agenda. The reality is that I care and I walk my talk

Now I am going back to bed

Last edited by stardustaquarion; Today at 04:06.


So please take some chamomile and give me a break! I think this thread is about Ashayana and not me

no, no..you are off

this thread is not about my chamomile taking
it is not about ashayanna
and not about you

it is about camelot's editing, censorship, any editing and how it may affect any content and any thread...not critical of editing as such - i am critical of overzealous and/or manipulative editing which may obstruct natural flow of threads...thanks :wink: l

[LindyLou22]

Freedom of speech doesn't include an interviewed witness making untrue statements to be published in a video that may be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.

There's responsible journalism, also... Another freedom that we can all celebrate.

Good!!!

Did anyone else get the feeling from Ms. Deane that there was something a little off? Maybe it was her self-conscious delivery, or that at times she almost seemed apologetic, but I found her difficult to trust, however interesting her message was. What if she is dealing with an entity that seeks to discredit certain information? Certainly, a group or an entity could put together a couple hours of interesting info just for the sake of having one embedded line that throws doubt on something that this group/entity seeks to hide.

For all I know, she may have been totally sincere, but something about her really brought out the skeptic in me.

[Fredkc]

LindyLou;
For all I know, she may have been totally sincere, but something about her really brought out the skeptic in me.
http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif
Thank You.

[Sarahmay]

From Kerry:

I am reposting the Ashayana Deane videos without re-editing. I received word today that James has decided he will not take legal action as long as his letter is posted on my site (already done) along with the videos and on Youtube.

Nice decision!

[bettye198]

From Kerry:

I am reposting the Ashayana Deane videos without re-editing. I received word today that James has decided he will not take legal action as long as his letter is posted on my site (already done) along with the videos and on Youtube.

Nice decision!

This is the right thing to do on both parts. We have so much to be thankful for with information we can discern and this is the reason we are all here, to make our own DNA structure count as light show-ers. Perhaps this is beyond our understanding for our small pea brains but the spirit knows what it must do. I am grateful for every way shower misguided or otherwise that has given me the chance to discern. All my studies with Wingmakers, Drunvalo, Kryon, Abraham, Barbara Marciniak, mentioning only a few has led me to this moment of accepting Asha's very detailed critical information. Sometimes you have to travel a long ways to know something is real to you. Growing spiritually takes mountains and turns them into bumps in the road but then, the flatness of the journey seems so good. I understand there are many on this forum who do not trust. We learn to trust through experiences and thats what basically makes us feel the rightness within. I wrote Kerry that James's actions were suspect and said why. Gratefully, the energies and the voices of the crowds in all forums gave him no reason to damage or control.
The Law of One taught that. Can we all ever learn that?;)

[lastmimzy]

I don't get it either, what does James have to do with ACIO, here there is an account and critical investigation of the concept http://www.uforq.asn.au/articles/wingmakers.html

PS

I have now found this:

For those who don't know, James appeared on the website in 2001 claiming to be the originator of all of the WingMakers material. He also claimed that the WingMakers story was only a modern day myth. I originally thought the WingMakers story might be a myth, but after seeing the level of subtle, yet very sophisticated changes and the energy behind the new material added to the website, I became convinced that the original story was likely true and a cover-up was taking place involving James and those working with him. I invite you to open to your own spiritual guidance and draw your own conclusions as you explore these intriguing matters.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakersinterviewschanges

This subject is not clear at all

I tried to get my Avalon Community Forum enrollment done on Wednesday, June 9, and prepared and typed up the below in a Windows/Wordpad file on that day, and was going to post it that same day. Couldn't get the invite code/registration/activation completed until yesterday, to let me post what I had ready 5 days ago. Lo and Behold, on June 11~~stardustaquarion did his Post#62 on here with basically the same inference that my below info included in the two links I had that was already to go, two days before his Post #62, but wouldn't have been able to get it on here until yesterday evening. One of the same links in stardustaquarion's Post#62 is one of the same exact links in the below material, that I was wanting to post two days before his post of same. And of course, the deletions and re-edit of the AD video interview has since been changed, but I'm copying and pasting to the forum the way I had it done 5 days ago. And there's a few exerpts that I've put before the two links referenced, for those that didn't pull up the links on stardustaquarion's Post#62~~to maybe encourage one's curiosity. The "uforq....." url/link that stardust has that I didn't have on my below "addition(s)", is an excellent lead-in to help comprehend what is on the other "wanttoknow.info....." url/link. Important information in the "uforq...." url/link. Had not saved that url/link from when I did all the research two years ago regarding this subject. I'm much more diligent as of the past year, about saving a url/link in "favorites" because now I use Foxfire browser, and it has a search window for favorites. InternetExplorer: no search window for "favorites"; url/links that one would save to go back and find at a later time.

Again~I repeat~I had prepared the below material June 9th; and of course, changes referenced since then, don't apply. Hope it's not too confusing.

(Just as an aside, I was one of the original enrollees, 1st month, 1st Camelot/Avalon forum.)

So for those that would be so inclined to be able to be more discerning about AD's "negatory" reaction when 'Wingmakers" was brought up, I offer the below links~~as a start. I did in-depth research on this "Wingmakers and James" subject 2 years back. The 2nd link below, when opened, immediately shows two links entitled "Interview I" and "Interview II". Those 1997-1998 interviews having to do with the original Wingmakers material show how it was later changed through alterations, expunged parts, deletions and distortions, through a color coded legend that is very easy to understand in the "Interview I and II" links. "James" was complicit in these changes.

While watching the video(s) of AD, I was neither pro or con, but do feel that her material merits some research and inquiry on my part; I didn't really understand most of it, but it seemed to resonate. Definitely, I was put off with all the gigglin'. But, when the part was addressed about 'Wingmakers', her whole body english altered, and she was a hundred light years away from any giggling. Too bad it had to be censored. In my opinion~~which is an educated opinion~~this was Kerry's best interview. A lot of people probably didn't notice, but Kerry did a very good, and mature job of keeping AD on track, and keeping the giggling from really messing up the delivery. One of the reasons, it was excellent, was that it was long (the entire 3 parts), and Kerry kept on keepin' on.

Excerpt from link following (this 'Special Note' is at the bottom of the link page when you link to it) ~~
" Special Note: The above is a copy of the introduction page to the original WingMakers website. Should you choose to explore the current WingMakers website at wingmakers.com, please be aware that it has changed in many ways from its original form. The WingMakers story there has been seriously distorted to the point of being disinformation. For further information on how the website has been changed and distorted, click here.(another link)..............."
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakers/WingMakersindex2.shtml

Excerpt from 2nd link~~>"From these changes and lots more, it is apparent that the additions James claims to have made to the original story are much more than just additions. The changes in fact have a very different quality and flavor from the originals. Almost as soon as the website began to change in 2001, I and many others who strongly resonated with the amazing materials on the original website suspected intervention with an agenda.
If the intriguing story of the WingMakers on the original website were true, we would expect the ACIO to do their best to either remove the WingMakers website or distort the information to lead readers back to their own agenda. I strongly suspect that the ACIO did, in fact, put lots of resources into gradually and subtly bringing these empowering materials back in line with their own hierarchical agenda. It is even conceivable that the James, who now claims to have originated all of the WingMakers materials, is the linguist Dr. Anderson, but has now had his memories erased and is back under the control of the ACIO, as he clearly stated might happen.........."
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakersorig/wingmakersinterviewschanges

~~for Bill (as in 'Ryan'); I have the utmost respect and admiration for what you and Kerry have done and ARE doing. I feel that you've done (and are still doing) one of the greatest services for mankind and this planet, that ever has been put forth on this plane. But when you inserted that part about ".......100%...." , I just couldn't resist....................
Remember, remember (no, not 'the 5th of November'), when that great, great entity SAID, "One can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but NOT all of the people all of the time." Not referring to you, doing the 'fooling'; I'm talkin' about others, doing this or trying to do this, to US. Through various means. Keywords; "constant vigilance".

[shiva777]

listen to Kerrys latest radio archive...she discusses this wingmaker AD stuff there

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/whistelblower-radio-hp.html

[OMG]

From Kerry:

I am reposting the Ashayana Deane videos without re-editing. I received word today that James has decided he will not take legal action as long as his letter is posted on my site (already done) along with the videos and on Youtube.

Nice decision!


Been away. What a pleaseant suprise to see this post.

Yes, nice decision indeed!

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