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Adrift
21st August 2011, 04:06
To all of of my friends and peers at Avalon and Camelot.

It's been a while since I've actively participated in the discussion here. I've visited, quietly, from time-to-time, but in the "post-Charles" forum era I've been less comfortable about being here and involving myself in the debate.

With the rise of the Nexus forum and migration of members there, sometimes as a result of their removal from this bulletin board, and all of the controversy that's arisen from that, with "timelines", charged back-and-forth threads, and a degree of uncertainty about what now constitutes "acceptable" topic material.

Also the appearance of the Atticus1 site, the release of material sourced from Charles' "group of 18" meetings, and what that implies about his - and their - relationships with, and opinions of, the forum membership and the trust we placed in them.

And I understand that some of you will feel strongly about this, but I've read (in its entirety to date) the Blog that "retired" Avalonian "Gypsy Woman" has created and updated regularly. She's presented a very lucid - subjective, of course, but clearly stated - account of her experiences here, and some observations from a perspective I'd never considered before.
She has a remarkable talent for research and intuiting intent. I don't always agree with her delivery, but then I haven't gone through the things she has, and she's upfront about being a straight shooter, speaking her mind. I admire her tenacity and her bravery and her determination to separate truth from fiction.

I don't want to drag this out too much, we're all short of time, there's always so much to read, see and do. If you follow through with the request I'm going to make of you, the reasons for this - beyond the obvious - might become clearer.

I came to Avalon and other thematically aligned forums because I was interested in finding out more about this "hidden" world that seemed to be out there, the one we're given tantalising glimpses of in films and TV shows with dramatic storylines featuring conspiracy or the occult. Anyone of us could reel off a list of them all day long without even having to think about it, it's been a recurring storyline in all media for a long time.

I've got a bookmark folder in my web browser that I called "Alt" for "alternate" or "alternative", and it's been my collecting point for websites that have lead me off along specific lines of "esoteric" enquiry. I've spent the last few years reading material from all sorts of different sources, and it's all represented there, with links to people like Duncan O'Finiaon, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Cliff High, David Wilcock, and websites like Etemenanki, Project Camelot, Project Avalon, a clutch of Youtube Channels covering UFOs, the music industry, remote viewing, earthquake activity monitoring and so on, and then other links for information about the Mayan Calendar - that's a small sample, but it's a real melting pot of all kinds of different ideas and world views.

I've tried very hard to pull it all together. I had all of these sometimes competing, sometimes complementary, theories swimming around in my mind, and I wanted to try to meld them in a way that allowed each to co-exist and re-enforce the others. I outgrew my original ambitions, now I wanted a complete picture of what was going on in our corner of the Universe! Of the origins of mankind! Of the alien races we were involved with; I wanted to know who the bad guys were and who the good guys were, what nefarious plans were being cooked up to do us harm, and about the human+ powers I might be able to develop in order to fight them!

None seemed to be a complete answer on its own, I've never been entirely happy to accept a single set of teachings as the "whole truth". I've never felt that any of them were, but in my trusting way I wanted to believe that each of their proponents was honest, well-intentioned, and had our (yours and my) interests at heart.

It kinda-sorta worked. I had my Law of One stuff from David Wilcock, and I transposed that with some bits from Ashayana Deane, because she says she bases
parts of what she does on the LoO; I could mix in details from Bob Deane, and interweave it all with what David Icke has said about benevolent and malevolent
extraterrestrial and/or inter-dimensional beings. Jordan Maxwell gave me a grounding in symbology and how the ETs are interacting with the elected officials
at the highest levels.
So I had this sort of loose coalition of hypotheses, but I'd had to build it myself and there were yawning gaps between some of the puzzle pieces and other bits were founded on the scantest hints and clues.

It was never quite right. It seemed obvious to me that many of these people were working along very similar lines, but there was almost no collaboration.
I couldn't make any sense of the fact that they didn't do more to work collectively, if all of this stuff was so enlightening and good, why wasn't more being done
to reconcile it all together into a single cohesive theory?
It seemed like the logical conclusion, in the truest spirit of love-and-light, maximising the potential and getting together behind the cause.

There have been so many occasions when we've been presented with witness testimony from people, and we've been told just so much... but not the punch line. We've re-visited essentially the same ground again and again, re-analysed and re-interpreted, hitting the same walls: "you can't handle the [full] truth [yet]" played out for real.
For a long while now I've felt like I haven't been getting anywhere. I've begun to understand that those ultimate "truths" are unlikely to be forthcoming, or
should they ever be, that they'll be delivered too late to be recognised for what they are and to change course.

With the cracks that been appeared amongst our communities, this splintering off into different groups and different forums and the vitriol that its inspired in some, my confidence in the purpose for which I thought we all stood has been shaken and its made me doubt.
It began to dawn on me that some of these people, these sources we so often defer to, that are sacred cows for many - were for me until recently - are not infallible and might have motives and goals we wouldn't willingly support if all was known.

About a month ago I was looking through my bookmarked YouTube Channels, and I stopped briefly at the comment page for "playbacklapompe" (aka Alex) (quick aside: if you've not come across him before, Alex is a Frenchman who was living just outside of Tokyo with his Japanese wife and young child at the beginning of the Fukushima disaster. For several months he posted video reports, in English, detailing the latest news and developments in the region.
Two months ago Youtube removed ALL of these videos without explanation, and in the time since, Alex and his family have moved to France. The videos have not been restored, and it's been a long while since his last update).

A YouTube user called "hollowtip2011" - to whom I'm indebted - had left a comment inviting people to watch a series of lectures that they'd mirrored on their own Channel.
I can't say why I did, I see messages like that all of the time and skip over them with practised indifference. But since I've started watching I haven't been able to stop.
Each lecture is about 90 minutes long (split into YouTube-mandated 10 minute segments). I used a Firefox plugin to download each segment and I've absolutely burned through them. I haven't seen anything so compelling in as long as I can remember.

I've been, I suppose, a non-practising Christian for my entire life. Religion was something that I was peripherally connected with, I never thought much about it,
for the past few years my focus has been on "spirituality", a term I realise I've picked up and subsumed somewhere along the way via my readings in the "alternative community". I'm not sure I knew quite what this meant, I hadn't ever tried to succinctly define it.
In a nebulous kind way I guess I might have said it was something to do with a belief in an element of the self that existed beyond the physical body, and an ethereal connectedness to other living entities.
But I'm not really very sure what that means either.

I remember early encounters with religion. It was always - to me - a drab, tedious, colourless experience. Later I'd see, or see parodied, images on TV of evangelical US ministers - and as I write this I can conjure the (what always seemed to me) disingenuous voice of a preacher with a strong southern American accent saying: "give yourself to Geeeezus!".
Or there's the "Peggy Hill"/"Ned Flanders" stereotype. It's not that I have anything against individuals of that character, but it's a person-type, a characterisation
that's been repeated and replayed so often that an association has come to exist wherein anyone, with any religious leaning or conviction, MUST follow that mold.

Or there's the idea of hypocrisy. And again, I have this crass, media-imparted cartoon image of backwoods hill-billies with black doorstop bibles in one hand and a beer or a shotgun in t'other.
It's all desperately unflattering and off-putting - and I have been put off... until I found this lecture series.

The series is titled "God's Final Call", and each lecture is presented by one man, a South African named Mark Woodman. It was recorded in 2007 in Australia.
The series comprises 22 lectures, each independent, and tackling a different area of inquiry. I know that that sounds like an intimidating amount of viewing but once
you get started it really isn't. Although they can be watched in isolation, some of the information will be more fully understood if each is viewed in sequence.

Mark is incredibly watchable. He's passionate, and he explains Biblical concepts with a clarity and depth of understanding that I've never been exposed to before.
He reveals the true character of the Bible. I had absolutely no idea about the power behind the way that it's structured, for example, the symmetry that exists between its two parts, the lessons that ring so true when they're laid out simply and beautifully for you to understand and digest.

He does a phenomenal job of breaking it all down. Relating it to current and historical events, and explaining how what we're seeing happen in the world today - geographically, politically - fits into scripture.

Beyond that, and what I've found completely staggering, is the depth of study that he's done on things that I would previously only ever have thought of as "conspiracy research". He presents well-sourced evidence of everything from the identity of the Biblical Anti-Christ to the manipulation of the mind by the media.
He looks at HAARP and "Project Blue beam", the New World Order, the New Age Movement, looks into the Jesuits, the Knights of Malta, the Rosicrucians, goes into a lot of detail on the Freemasons and many other "secret orders" and what they represent.
The vast majority is information I've never heard anywhere else. It's all there, bang, bang, bang. Started succinctly, and in a way that connects all of the dots. No vague clues or subtle hints.

I'm going to ask you, if this is the only favour you ever grant me, to give this a go. I genuinely believe this is something everyone should see. Even if you only watch the first lecture, even if you only watch the first five minutes of the first lecture - give it a go.

Hand-on-heart I can say that this is the message I have been waiting for. I've had a huge struggle with trying to figure out, from all of the material we're bombarded with, what was real and what was the lie. I feel empowered to make those decisions now.
I can't promise it'll be the same for you, you're free to reject it completely of course, but have a watch and then make up your mind.

The lectures are all copyright free. You can download or mirror them anywhere you like, that was Mark's wish. I hope you get some benefit from them, I have. I can't
overstate how important this find was to me.

http://markwoodman.blogspot.com/

crosby
21st August 2011, 07:52
ahhh, BIBLE: basic instructions before leaving earth..... i had heard of this a long while ago, but never realized that there is somebody who can honestly guide one through. thank you Adrift, i will bookmark this thread and check out mark woodman later when i have more time. i appreciate your position and sympathize with it as well. thanks so much.
warmest regards, corson

ponda
21st August 2011, 08:50
Thanks for the link Adrift i'll have a look.

Btw does he talk about et and inter-dimensional et involvement with planet Earth ?

cheers

shamballaOn
21st August 2011, 10:11
I have looked the first two of the youtubes and halfway the third one I realised that is is a waste of my time. Satan?
Of course it can be valuable and real for others with another view on life...

One
21st August 2011, 12:28
I watched the first one this morning "Is it the End of the World" (all 10 parts). It is Sunday after all.

It started off well with the guy giving an honest account of his encounters with the new age movement after his early days as a devout Christian. I think he made some good points about deception etc that I wouldn't disagree with. He believed that as a "Creator" he ought to be able to create his own wealth (to help others), as presented in a lot of these new age books. He hit rock bottom when all his efforts came to nothing and he couldn't even feed his pregnant wife properly.

From what I can tell his life completely turned around when he asked for help (from whatever God would listen), and received it in a miraculous way. My Gran recounted a similar story to me once (a devout Christian) and it has felt as though I have received help before after asking for it directly as well.

However, I think there is a danger in this case that you don't put 2 and 2 together and make 6. Because after this miraculous experience it seems he changed direction completely. He stopped asking questions and threw himself back into Christianity. The assumption seems to be made that "God" put the £20 pound note in the car when he needed it, and that he should therefore stick with the Bible.

From then on I started to lose interest as things became more black and white. I was disappointed to hear that the reduction in marriage was a problem and that it was wrong for gay couples to look after kids. My view is that it is the quality of care that is important and not a certificate.

I liked the guy a lot but I was not entirely convinced that I needed to turn to the bible in its entirety as the source of all knowledge. Perhaps he didn't receive the money he sought in the early days because he thought he deserved it (or was entitled to it). I think "God" might well reply to a heartfelt request from somebody in trouble. However, should we then assume we must take up a religion completely if we receive help?

Anyway I probably haven't watched enough of his films to comment properly. This is just my initial impressions. Perhaps I will take a look at another lecture if I get time. He certainly comes across as an honest and good man and it is a shame he is no longer with us.

the trojan
21st August 2011, 12:30
It was never quite right. It seemed obvious to me that many of these people were working along very similar lines, but there was almost no collaboration.
I couldn't make any sense of the fact that they didn't do more to work collectively, if all of this stuff was so enlightening and good, why wasn't more being done
to reconcile it all together into a single cohesive theory?
It seemed like the logical conclusion, in the truest spirit of love-and-light, maximising the potential and getting together behind the cause.

There have been so many occasions when we've been presented with witness testimony from people, and we've been told just so much... but not the punch line. We've re-visited essentially the same ground again and again, re-analysed and re-interpreted, hitting the same walls: "you can't handle the [full] truth [yet]" played out for real.
For a long while now I've felt like I haven't been getting anywhere. I've begun to understand that those ultimate "truths" are unlikely to be forthcoming, or
should they ever be, that they'll be delivered too late to be recognised for what they are and to change course.


http://markwoodman.blogspot.com/

When I was younger,in my teens,I found myself to be really popular for a while and had many hangers on and people who wanted to befriend me in order to see what it was that made me 'popular',whenever I revealed the secret to my popularity,they would walk away.
The secret was ,I had no secret.
If I had kept up the pretence I would still be popular and invited to all the best parties.

grapevine
21st August 2011, 15:40
The link did not resonate with me personally Adrift but your original post did, very much so. I like to think that all the information you name - and other info with links through this forum - are all collective and interactive and that somehow there will be huge crescendo and we'll all look down and see that we're on top of the pyramid ..... something like that anyway. :)

ceetee9
22nd August 2011, 18:50
Although I only listened to the first 4 segments, I have to say he sounds like every other evangelist. For someone who claims to have undertaken an open and unbiased study of all the religions (and no consideration given to agnosticism or atheism), he sure kept coming back to Jesus and the Bible an awful lot. But when he said "I'm warning you that I've been there and you don't want to have to go there. You do not want to have to go there. Let somebody like me, who's come out of debt, guide you toward the truth," that clinched it for me. Every person must take the journey to truth, whatever truth they are seeking, for themselves. Letting someone tell you or "guide" you to the truth will lead you to THEIR truth. Never abdicate your responsibility to find the truth for yourself.

Referee
22nd August 2011, 18:54
He lost me when he attacked the Branch Dividians with propoganda.

Kamikaze
22nd August 2011, 19:42
Not to be to hasty with smack downs, there might be some new details and links in some of the videos that are worthwhile to find?
There are quite a few of them going through many topics. Don't let your modern "trend" of disdain for Christianity to fool you for a potential lot of good information.