What are some good secret societies?

[Omni]

Just curious if anyone knows some positive secret societies. If they want to remain uber secret I would rather not know I guess.

I once got a PM from a guy who said he was in a secret society and listed their virtues and they were pretty righteous, at least on paper. I forget who they were, and was mind controlled to not inquire further...

Also, have there been any good secret societies in the past that are known now?

One interesting thing I was told telepathically, that I don't trust but thought intriguing, is Alexander the Great created a secret society(and it's a good one). I have not researched it at all, and I forget if anyone else mentioned anything about it when I have mentioned it online.

So, do you know of any secret societies that weren't made up of elitist douchebags with control freak problems and sinister conspiracies? Or ones with odd rituals and is more a social club in it's wider population(AKA no real acute focus or goal). I'd be interested in hearing about them.

Thanks in advanced if you share something :)

[Sync]

They all seem pretty righteous, at least on paper... too bad frail human egos get mixed in and mess up the whole shabang.

Unfortunately, even the "good" ones have SERIOUS problems.

People are capable of horrendous things when they feel more special than the general public while not feeling that they will be held accountable for various actions.

Luckily we live in a time where its not so easy to keep those secrets for too long.

[The One]

It is important to remember that Alexander the Great was a megalomaniac who wanted fame, glory, and immortality for himself. Much of what he did during his short but fruitful lifetime was aimed at this goal. What we know of his policies supports this theory. While Alexander did encourage intermarriage between his men and the native women, it was not to create a blended society, but to keep his soldiers’ attentions in the army and to help create a ruling class loyal to him. His failed policy of proskynesis was another method of ruling Persians, by keeping many of their customs alive, and can be put into the same category as adopting some Persian dress. Considering Alexander lacked a method of ruling the territories he conquered, it is difficult to imagine that he conceived a master plan to create a cohesive society of his conquests. Maybe this was part of his master plan http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horrorart.biz%2FJennifer%2FAlexander.htm&ei=XGdTTqOiFIq0-QbJwbSpBg&usg=AFQjCNERH_680wa6cnf9C0q5DxPRxGcHqQ

[finally there!!!]

Secrets just create turmoil and in my opinion they are created out of fear so all secret society's must come clean if the world is to be come a better place.
A place of truth and understanding..

[phillipbbg]

If we told you ...they would not be secret would they? :confused:

[KosmicKat]

You would probably find that most people (certainly at the lower levels) believe that the secret societies of which they are members are good-to-the-bone. But what is it that prompts the secrecy to begin with?

[kathymarie]

Naivete on my part, perhaps, but if something is so good why keep it a secret?

[Lisab]

The "secrets" arnt so secret anymore I don't think thanks to the likes of Isreal Regardie an associate of Alastair Crowley. He was an adept of the 'Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn'. He pissed off his fellow occultists for breaking his oath of secrecy and publishing the order's complete rituals in his book'The Golden Dawn'. He believed it our birthright to have this knowledge.
I havnt read it but I do like the middle pillar ritual to clear the chakras. The PTB have been using these secrets of ritual for eons and know their astrology etc it keeps 'em in power hense the big secret. That's why others here such as carmody will say brush up! I agree. Michael tsarion is a great reference point whom I've only just discovered thanks to ktlight and the one.
Plenty of books out there. No need to join a secret society. Love Lisa x

[DoubleHelix]

"The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings" ( JFK )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlghYpDx0f4&feature=player_detailpage

This speaks volumes.

[Martin]

The whole concept of secret societies even if it starts out wholeheartedly good and righteous is very vulnerable to or maybe even bound to loose their original goals at some point. I would almost say that the opposite of a secret society would be a loving society.


Martin

[Marsila]

the only "do good" thing i can think of that is also a top secret that even the individuals in it don't know each other is, the many people around the world who do feel for all those suffering even if they never met, and send secret prayers to, or meditate while thinking about, until life gives a chance to help...even in the most little ways.

otherwise if it has become a "secret society" then it has just become a label of something that may not describe the content.

[The One]

http://www.philipcoppens.com/secretvault_art3.html

[Maia Gabrial]

I agree with you Sync. There's nothing more dangerous than a psycho Fanatic who thinks he's right and willing to prove it.

[PurpleLama]

this may sound like a joke, but it's not. The "good" secret societies are *so* secret that the members are scarcely aware of it themselves.

the idea being that any organized earth based secret society can't help but become self serving, regardless of it's origination. It happens with anything continuous down here on earth.

but, and it's a big but, if you think about positive extra terrestrial, or extra dimensional groups that incarnate through the veil, forgetting everything, leaving things somewhat to chance whether they will wake up, much less re-connect with their purposes and others like themselves. This is happening everywhere you look, especially *right here on avalon*.

with a continuity based right out of the dimension or whatever, we are waking up and coming together and some are starting to take in the big picture in relation to what we have here. It's a privilege to witness.

[TigaHawk]

These, they may as well be secret, noone seems to know/care about them.

http://www.petswithoutpartners.org.au/

http://www.littlepawskittenrescue.org.au/

(Not quite what you wanted OP - but only people doing things they are ashamed of/know is wrong are done in secret/the dark. Everything done for good people have no fear, or need, to keep it secret)

[Lisab]

Thanks The One excellent link.

[Tane Mahuta]

Any Society that needs to conceal it's existance is up to no good!

TM

[noprophet]

I will say that there is a thread of belief out there which dictates if we are all part of a multidimensional existence created by the whole of conciousness attempting to perceive itself then to observe reality and everything that happens in it is literally to witness the unity perfection manifest.

I believe the law of non interference originates somewhere in this idea. However if you follow this line of reasoning it becomes very complicated very quickly as the observers own actions also have to be accepted as part of this reality despite the fact by the very act of observing they have altered their own path. Or not... As manifest it would be part of the reality and hence justified.

The people who believe this, good or bad aside, tend to keep quiet about it.

[Hervé]

I don't really have a direct answer to the question.

However, whenever a "Zero Tolerance" is enforced about something, that enforced "Zero Tolerance" will automatically generate its corollary "Secret Society."

[PurpleLama]

Non-interference is simple, really. It would take away our free will if some advanced ET culture popped up on the surface and said "ready or not, here's enlightenment, cool technology, whatever." the way around non interference that keeps the balance is the system of incarnation itself, which causes the forgetting whether you are good or not. So it's always a risk of not remembering, and the self oriented being mostly won't choose to take a personal chance in this regard. Whereas, the STO will do it for love and light and fluffy stuff, without as much regard to risk inherent in such endeavor. That's why it's such a laugh that the PTB get any heed at all, it's their power that's least represented on the planet. Waaaayyyy more positive beings have taken the risk and incarnated, and *are* waking up, more so every day. It's really funny when one finds the view that shows how silly the bad guys are who think than can contrive to outsmart the creator at it's own game.

[Maia Gabrial]

A good society doesn't need to be a secret. All the good ones are out in the open with nothing to hide....Only when there's something to hide, do they need to become a "secret society"....

[Omni]

Thanks for the posts everyone.

I was more thinking back when ideologies were more dangerous than they are now(not to say they aren't dangerous). Like back in the 'Vatican days' of slaughtering people who oppose modern religion for example. For example, a secret society of druids to hide from them and wear a mask in public(metaphor) etc and preserve ancient knowledge and history.

I can think of a lot of reasons for a secret society on this planet in our history. Secrets are not only bad IMHO. Granted with all the secrets on this planet in terms of TPTB, I can see how modern day people would see them as bad.

But some things are too powerful for immature or morally challenged people. Humanity is not responsible enough for using their full potential. I mean just look at Atticus/Charles, claiming he's a 'super soldier gangster psychic' who has killed 27 people(assumably for nefarious PTB in his own testimony, not that I'm saying it's truth). I don't think humans should be given their full potential unless they are worthy of it. Some may disagree.

For these reasons I estimate some benevolent and good secret societies exist, or have in the past. My own mind estimates they may have all been killed by forces like the Vatican etc.

Perhaps someone knows about aan old secret society that is now extinct, with interesting info? They couldn't all be bad IMHO. I'm not saying I disagree with the main message of practically every post in this thread. But I don't see it so clearly defined as bad myself.

[kathymarie]

Regarding DoubleHelix' post of JFK...thank you so much for this gem. How different might the world be today had he lived. Makes me wonder if this openminded-ness and transparency might have helped deal the death blow.

[WhiteFeather]

No societys that are secret are any good. Thats My belief. They are hiding something if they are secret.

[KosmicKat]

I was more thinking back when ideologies were more dangerous than they are now(not to say they aren't dangerous). Like back in the 'Vatican days' of slaughtering people who oppose modern religion for example.
You make a good point. Secrecy becomes an option to preserve integrity when opposition threatens. Is it the only option?

[shadowstalker]

Just curious if anyone knows some positive secret societies. If they want to remain uber secret I would rather not know I guess.

I once got a PM from a guy who said he was in a secret society and listed their virtues and they were pretty righteous, at least on paper. I forget who they were, and was mind controlled to not inquire further...

Also, have there been any good secret societies in the past that are known now?

One interesting thing I was told telepathically, that I don't trust but thought intriguing, is Alexander the Great created a secret society(and it's a good one). I have not researched it at all, and I forget if anyone else mentioned anything about it when I have mentioned it online.

So, do you know of any secret societies that weren't made up of elitist douchebags with control freak problems and sinister conspiracies? Or ones with odd rituals and is more a social club in it's wider population(AKA no real acute focus or goal). I'd be interested in hearing about them.

Thanks in advanced if you share something :)

make up your own society and just have folks you totally trust but make it known that only certain folks can join, it don't need to be a secret but make it worthy outright, i'd be willing to join

[phillipbbg]

Just trolled through my files and found an ebook that will give you an interesting read I hope.

Here is a link to my google docs for anyone to download Secret Societies https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B--SGE-HuftQYjg2MWVlZjMtZTM4YS00ZjU3LWI5MTYtOGJiZjQxOGYwOTc5&hl=en_US

[Mark]

The knowledge that comes with the elevation of the spirit is dangerous. In my understanding, the primary reason why the secret knowledge of, let's say, the Gnostics, or the Rosicrucians, or the Egyptian and Greek Mystery Schools before them has primarily to do with the fact that by following the teachings of spiritual ascension one becomes more powerful as an individual. For example, let's say you meditate a lot, or you practice energy exercises and you begin to manifest certain siddhi's (powers), you gain the ability of telepathy, or you can remote view, or even, oh, teleport or fly. Well, that ability, when gained by someone who has not also learned the spiritual reasons NOT to use those abilities will cause that person to use them for ill, or for service-to-self reasons, rather than service-to-others, which would cause that person to accrue negative karma, or use their powers for evil, as it were.

In that understanding, the reason for the secretive aspect in the first place, then, was to protect people from themselves and others. Also, there were reasons connected to where our solar system was in the galaxy at the time, as we dove beneath the galactic plane some thousands of years ago, have been 'in the dark' so to speak up until very recently and are now above the plane of the galactic ecliptic, which is the time all secrets are to be revealed.

The fact that all secret societies have at their core some aspect of the greater spiritual mysteries is the reason de etre for that secretiveness, even if, for many of these organizations, they have used these powers to gain control of the material world, rather than control of themselves and their spiritual elevation. A prime example and warning tale for those who might seek in the future to use spiritual powers for their own personal gain. Illumined my left foot.

[Maia Gabrial]

I agree with WhiteFeather,
Good and secret don't go together. An oximoron, don't you think?