A Personal Encounter: Have you ever met someone you believe may not be human?

[Curt]

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[Shamz]

Interesting story - personally I haven't had the feeling - may be I need to browse all my memories now.

[Nairnia]

I know what you mean by that "look."
A couple of years ago I was walking with a girlfriend towards a railway station when I noticed a tall, blonde man leaning against a wall watching us as we walked. I immediately knew he was not human. We looked into each other and it was like he knew I knew and he smiled and looked away. It only lasted a few seconds but it was quite powerful.

[TargeT]

Seems to be a popular topic lately...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28803-Not-Human-What-are-they-and-who-is-creating-them


For your answer I suggest this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-

[Curt]

Yes, the first thread you've pointed out is, in part, my inspiration for wanting to open up a wider conversation about whether anyone has met a non-human entity, and just how they knew it wasn't human--but without talking only about negative or bio-android type beings.

Specifically, I'm interested in finding out the ways other people have discerned that a 'person' who looked human might have been something else entirely. Was it a physical sensation? An intuitive flash? A smell?

I'm also interested in the mundane aspects of how people have had run-ins with potential non-humans. Did it happen at the bank? While shopping for luggage?

The idea that it can happen in a grocery store or at a bar is fascinating to me. It means these encounters are not relegated to air force colonels in underground bases. Any of us can potentially have these experiences. My experience was over all a positive one. I assume others have had both positive and negative experiences, all of which I'd love to hear about.

Thanks for the link to the Lithium Thread. There's lots there to chew on, and I have been trying to digest the wisdom there for a while now. I'll continue to chew some more.

[TargeT]

I think the description "bio portals" is very apt.. I don't see them as anything other than an empty glove going through the paces of life, I've met a couple and labeled them as "place holders".

I think intuition is a part of it, but how much of that is just an interpretation of my sense? I definitely saw behavior that just wasn't "normal" it didn't fit the pattern, but this was before I knew why I felt them as odd.. so its based on memory; no recent encounters since I've been more "open minded".

The lithium thread is great because it has the science to back up a theory, if you're grasping at the over all theory, well its basicaly in the title, definately best to come to it on your own though; there is MUCH to be gained from that thread & you definately will have a hard time finding a better thread to put your mental effort into.

[Curt]

If anyone has had a strange encounter with someone they felt wasn't human and doesn't feel comfortable sharing it on the wider forum please feel free to PM me. I would love to hear of others' experiences.

[alxz]

I would too love to hear some more experience. interesting thread:)

[Anchor]

Have you considered that they may have been Angelic or if ET, benevolent?

[Curt]

Have you considered that they may have been Angelic or if ET, benevolent?

Yes. That was the first thing I did consider. There was nothing about the encounter that felt malevolent or harmful, so whatever or whomever it was, didn't scare or harm me. They just left me feeling curious. I'm open to different interpretations of what or whom I might have been interacting with.

[TargeT]

Have you considered that they may have been Angelic or if ET, benevolent?

Yes. That was the first thing I did consider. There was nothing about the encounter that felt malevolent or harmful, so whatever or whomever it was, didn't scare or harm me. They just left me feeling curious. I'm open to different interpretations of what or whom I might have been interacting with.


most people aren't cruel to the chickens they raise for food, some times they wonder at the chickens action's though... (not that you should be afraid.. just another way to look at it ;) )

[Curt]

most people aren't cruel to the chickens they raise for food, some times they wonder at the chickens action's though... (not that you should be afraid.. just another way to look at it ;)

That's a strong analogy, and a very interesting way of considering things. I'm not afraid-- if only because I assume the universe seeks balance. I assume if the black hats exist, then the white hats must be kicking around, too.

[Carmody]

"We're all gonna die!" (runs around in circles) (stops) (pauses)(stares at ground) "Oh ....yeah... that's always been true." (Shuffles off quietly...)

[Snowbird]

When I read your opening post, I had two rather opposing thought patterns. One, they could very well have been from your off-planet soul group who were simply visiting and certainly not causing you any harm and determining if you have association memory. Or two, they could have been beings who study humans and bring us little tests to determine how we react in unusual circumstances. These two were definitely zeroing in on you and had to have been reading you for some non-threatening reason.

I will now stand down from my soapbox. :yawn:

[Siberia9]

Well Ive had alot of this stuff happen to me, mostly from the govt, but those I can read rite away, others... I don't know what or who they were but they will stick out in your mind for years. I don't think its the actions but the over all feelings generated by these encounters that give that strange feeling that sticks. For example two years ago I was in the subway in Moscow and as I walked up I noticed a very tall blond blue eyed man in an all white suit that could not have stood out to me any more if he was on fire. Why, well... I don't really know, he was dressed oddly, fedora, cane, glass' that pinched his nose, but there was something much much more to it than that. So as the train rolls up to the platform I noticed that I had never seen a train that old in real life before, old even for Russia, maybe 1940 or even older. Its at this point I feel very strange and I almost didn't get on the train, but my wife started to moved so I followed her on. So needless to say I am now staring at this guy as he stands in front of the door waiting. Its at this point I instinctively focused my words and directed them to this guy (from inside my head not out load) and I said 'You are the strangest mother f'er I have ever seen you must be from another planet man'. I don't know why I did this nor am I shore exactly how I did it, but he quickly turned his head all the way around to look at me as if he heard me clearly, we locked eyes and he smirked at me and turned his head back. I know he heard me but I don't have an explanation for how. So now I notice that the lighting has changed to a very strange yellow color and the mood is so strange that even my level headed wife is feeling it so I make the Twilight Zone music in her ear, she looks at me and nods her head yes as this very old train squeals and groans as its speeding up beyond what feels safe for a rounded old train car with a wood floor. I then told my wife that we are getting off this thing at the next stop wherever that may be. So we run off and turn to each other and say what the hell just happen there! I turn to the car as it drives off again and the guy is staring at me and smirks again and I smirk back. I was so out of sorts that I had to go topside for awhile. What does it all mean? I have no clue and I am sure that I never will. But I really felt like I slipped time and a dimension and back but I have no real understanding of why or how. There is much more to this game than we can see here and now, as we are connected to the people we meet in ways that we don't see yet in the here and now.

[Ivanhoe]

My apologies if this is not the right venue for this, but my experience involved a child, about 12-13 years old. I remember looking into her eyes and seeing nothing there, not the slighest hint that there was any soul there at all, like looking into ,...nothing. I had never experienced anything like that before or since. Shocked the hell outta me.

[161803398]

I met Bill Clinton once outside the lingerie shop on Granville Street in Vancouver. Does that count?

[Sesan]

Thanks for the great post CurtisW. This is a topic I have been thinking about alot lately and was considering posting the very same question to the members of Avalon. You seem to have beat me to it! I too have had an experience that to this very day, has effected me greatly. Mine is a very long story and spans over 2 years with my last encounter being just this year.

I am an avid swimmer and visit my local community pool at least once a week. After a good workout in the pool, I always visit the sauna room. This is a place where I am able to relax and usually get the chance to meditate and reflect on my day. Over the years, there has been a woman who occasionally visits the pool and also enjoys a nice hot sauna as do I. Strangely enough I remember the very first time I saw this lady, and every time since. This friendly lady was in her early 60's, blonde hair, pleasant, and talkative. But there was something else I immediately noticed when I was in her presence. She had a sense of innocence that was almost childlike, having an interest in me particularly, engaging me in regular pleasant conversations. Each time I had a visit with her, I always felt as though I wanted to talk to her more and more, almost missing her when she left.....now that sounds really weird didn't it. I would only see this lady every couple of months and always watched for her to come into the sauna for our next visit. Each time I encountered this wonderful person, it was as though we were the best of friends. She always greeted me as though she missed me and that she was very interested in how I had been.

The last time I saw this woman was by far the most impacting on me. She entered the sauna as she had many times before. I was already in the sauna with my eyes closed, meditating and relaxing. This lady soon initiated a conversation with others in the sauna, regarding seeing the number 1111. This immediately caught my attention since I have been dealing with this phenomena every since I got married (another long story). I quickly entered the conversation and asked if she saw 1111 as well. She answered me with her eyes at first, cleary saying yes, and then answered with a smile and a confident 'yes.' I then told her that she was not the only one and that I too was searching for a meaning behind this. She looked at me with such a look that I am not even able to describe it as I type. I almost get emotional when I try to describe it. As she literally looked into my mind, she said this signifies those who are to become leaders. She immediately stood up and left the sauna. I sat there in complete awe as I tried to absorb what had just happened. I then had the overwhelming urge to follow this lady to ask more questions. As I stood up to follow, I looked out and saw the lady leave for the change rooms.

That was the last time I ever saw this lady. I live in a small community and know a large portion of the people who live here. I have never seen this lady anywhere since and I find myself always looking for her. I have mentioned her to my wife and tried to describe what had happened. I have also had some of the regular swimming gang mention to me that they have wondered where that "wonderful blonde haired lady" ever went to? Obviously she had impacted others and not just myself.

As to who or where this woman was from, I have no idea. She is the only person I have ever met who effected me in such a way as this. I look forward to the day I see her again and promise myself I will not miss the chance to ask my questions again. I treasure having encountered such a wonderful soul.

[Marianne]

quote:
I met Bill Clinton once outside the lingerie shop on Granville Street in Vancouver. Does that count?

It counts in my book.;)

[Draco]

a recent experience i had in qld Brisbane was when i was on break from tafe having lunch at the river , there were a few tourist around hopping on the river cat and i saw a asian lady by her self with a camera around her neck it was a busy day and she walked passed heaps of people then approached me and asked if i could take a picture of her with the boat and bridge in the back ground. I was sort of day dreaming and didn't hear her the first time she spoke , when i realized that she was asking me i saw her smile she looked about in her 30's. I t was a new camera that i hadn't seen before and i wasn't sure how to use it properly as i don't use camera much, she said just point and click and she was really friendly more so then ive notice tourist before most are quite shy and don't say hi much. i took a pic and went to pass it back she said can i get another one so that i can show my other friends that i was here at this time. the hole time i was near her i felt real calm and felt like staying and not going back to tafe./or uni as some call it. after i handed back the camera she said thank you and i heading back to tafe looking over my shoulder to check if she was still there and she was pointing the camera my way was very strange but calming at the same time and that's the only tourist that has come up to me out of all the times i go for lunch there.

[etheric underground]

I too have had a number of experiences of a similar nature.
The one that stands out the most was a situation where for a while I had
been asking my higher self to meet an alien( I know silly request) and if I
did how would I know it was an off world entity.
Not too long in the future of this request My wife and I went to a Timothy good
seminar ( he was releasing his new findings on e.ts and ufo recovery)
In this seminar I had a uncomfortable feeling that I was being watched(or scanned)
At the end of the seminar as we were leaving a gentleman walked up to me and asked me a very
bizarre and quite eerie question... the seminar was in Perth. West Australia, but Im originally from
New zealand. The qustion he asked was pertaining to a location in the north island of N.Z
He asked me if I remembered Mt Albert????
I said what do you mean??
He said think about it Kere??
Im thinking how do you know my name??
As I went to ask him he turned and his eyes rolled back in his head like nothing I have experienced before
and he turned his head to one side... then his eyes turned back.
To be honest I **** my self... and walked away rather rapidly, forgetting my wife was standing there also.
She catches up to me and says .... THAT WAS AN ALIEN WASNT IT???
All I could say was lets go home.
I was then whilst walking in the dark back to the car in a university campus scared again by another
stranger who came out of nowhere to ask me another random question about the house market...
Now it was 11pm on a sunday night??? Who wants to talk finances to strangers in dark carparks.
The thing about this guy is he actually gave my wife and i the heads up on the recession and what
will happen to the housing market and that the financial market is doomed...This was in 2003-2004??
I have a very strong first impression intuition and im 100% sure that I got what I asked for...to meet an alien or 2

[Curt]

"We're all gonna die!" (runs around in circles) (stops) (pauses)(stares at ground) "Oh ....yeah... that's always been true." (Shuffles off quietly...)

Yep. That about says it.

[Curt]

When I read your opening post, I had two rather opposing thought patterns. One, they could very well have been from your off-planet soul group who were simply visiting and certainly not causing you any harm and determining if you have association memory. Or two, they could have been beings who study humans and bring us little tests to determine how we react in unusual circumstances. These two were definitely zeroing in on you and had to have been reading you for some non-threatening reason.

I will now stand down from my soapbox.

Your impressions feel right to me. Thanks for sharing your insights.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I have been told by "them" (who I perceive as the Pleadians, although they never told me that) that they have mastered and outgrown emotions, so they are baffled by our emotional responses and are trying to understand them to have a better understanding of us.

I've also been told that emotional mastery is important in our search for enlightenment, as we have allowed our emotions to whip us around and cause much grief and confusion in our lives.

For those of you who have had encounters, I suggest you try to connect to these people via consciousness (mental telepathy). But you must do it without fear as fear will block or warp the transmissions.

And yes Carmody, our bodies will die, but our consciousness - not our souls - will go on and on. And I know you well know this and were jesting, which is always good to lighten us up. I am lightened and shuffle off with you!

[Fred Steeves]

I can understand mastering your emotions, but why would you want to "outgrow" them? Or did I mis-interpret this?

I certainly have no intentions of outgrowing my ability to love.

Cheers,
Fred

[Curt]

I have been told by "them" (who I perceive as the Pleadians, although they never told me that) that they have mastered and outgrown emotions, so they are baffled by our emotional responses and are trying to understand them to have a better understanding of us.

I've also been told that emotional mastery is important in our search for enlightenment, as we have allowed our emotions to whip us around and cause much grief and confusion in our lives.

For those of you who have had encounters, I suggest you try to connect to these people via consciousness (mental telepathy). But you must do it without fear as fear will block or warp the transmissions.

And yes Carmody, our bodies will die, but our consciousness - not our souls - will go on and on. And I know you well know this and were jesting, which is always good to lighten us up. I am lightened and shuffle off with you!

To Fred's point, Ba-ba-Ra...you're not suggesting emotions be eliminated, but mastered. Is this right? I tend to agree that mastery of our emotions should be part of what we're doing on this little pebble, but Fred's point leads me to wonder what people's definitions of mastery are. For me, it would mean still retaining all of my emotions, as Fred seems to be saying, but to hone them and reduce their negative consequences, i.e. not flying off the handle, not taking offense at things, being peaceful in the midst of chaos, being able to feel compassion where ordinarily anger would be predominant, etc. Is this more or less what you're saying?

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I can understand mastering your emotions, but why would you want to "outgrow" them? Or did I mis-interpret this?
I certainly have no intentions of outgrowing my ability to love.
Cheers,
Fred

Good point Fred, bad choice of words by me (not them). Always difficult to translate as language can be very concrete.

From my perhaps limited understanding Love is what they are all about, but it is pure love. A love with no strings attached, no judgments, no expectations. Unlike what we often call love, which is a sympathetic, romantic notion, but with requirements. i.e.: I will love you if you act a certain way, or give me certain things. Often our love is more like an addiction which is why we fall apart if the person we love leaves us for someone else, or does something we don't radically don't approve of. Parents who will disown their children because they did something that didn't fall into the parameters of the parents accepted believe system. Probably the concepts behind Buddhism fall most into their philosophy of Love.

They see love as the absence of fear. We are often fearful of losing our loved ones. I hope this is a better explanation.

[TargeT]

I can understand mastering your emotions, but why would you want to "outgrow" them? Or did I mis-interpret this?

I certainly have no intentions of outgrowing my ability to love.

Cheers,
Fred

in reality emotion serves little purpose, I could easily see removing them completely.

I'm sure they serve some sort of purpose, perhaps to teach lessons, but yes I can see competely moveing beyond them with out a doubt.

[Fred Steeves]

I can understand mastering your emotions, but why would you want to "outgrow" them? Or did I mis-interpret this?
I certainly have no intentions of outgrowing my ability to love.
Cheers,
Fred

Good point Fred, bad choice of words by me (not them). Always difficult to translate as language can be very concrete.

From my perhaps limited understanding Love is what they are all about, but it is pure love. A love with no strings attached, no judgments, no expectations. Unlike what we often call love, which is a sympathetic, romantic notion, but with requirements. i.e.: I will love you if you act a certain way, or give me certain things. Often our love is more like an addiction which is why we fall apart if the person we love leaves us for someone else, or does something we don't radically don't approve of. Parents who will disown their children because they did something that didn't fall into the parameters of the parents accepted believe system. Probably the concepts behind Buddhism fall most into their philosophy of Love.

They see love as the absence of fear. We are often fearful of losing our loved ones. I hope this is a better explanation.

Thank you very much for clarifying Ba-ba-Ra, I'm totally with that. One hell of a goal huh? Oh well, what's the old saying about the journey of 1,000 miles?:)

Cheers,
Fred

[Deedee]

Okay time to share an experience since this thread is shouting at me to do so... In late 2009 I decided to spontaneously call my ex-husband (Thomas) at his work and ask him if he wanted to have lunch with me and our Son (Taylor). He said "sure".. So I drove down to the downtown location where he works in Sarasota County.. Downtown Sarasota is extremely "artsy" and everywhere is walkable. My ex decided to walk us to a restaurant of his choosing.. A sandwich shop where they make fresh sandwiches, salads and tropical smoothies. So, we order our food and sit down to eat. Now, I consider myself a very aware person but I must admit this particular day I was more absorbed in my food. I noticed a man, probably in his 60's, around 5ft 5inches tall who would "zip" past my corner vision from the entrance to around the corner. Now, I didn't think anything of it at all as he "zipped" back out of the door.. (by zipped I mean he was so fast you could barely notice his presence). Now, he decided to "zip" inside the restaurant again at which moment my Son stopped him and said "Hey"? The man stopped and looked at Taylor and Taylor said "I like Salads" and the man smiled and zipped around the corner. Now let me give you just a sense of the ambiance of this restaurant.. it's more a sandwich, salad restaurant with almost a New York "jazzy" feel to it with the smell of fresh bread and coffee. This was the first time I had been to this particular Restaurant and on this day it wasn't busy at all. I did notice however that on all my encounters with this man (which I shall get to) Tom seemed to always be unusually "vacant" from the table.. either restroom or ordering water, which he did on one occasion, but it was as if he was not meant to be in on this particular experience. (This restaurant had no waitress and everything was ordered for at the main counter.. it was more an upscale sandwich shop you could say with freshly prepared foods and drinks on the spot. So now I continue with this experience. The Man zipped around the corner after his encounter with my Son and looked at my Son and said "It would do you very well if you would eat lots of Fish" and also if you played the Harmonica and then he zipped off again (around the corner).. which by the way was a comfy chair, relaxing, reading as you eat type of a section with minimal chairs. I'd say the eating capacity in this place was approximately 25. I said to myself at this point (bearing in mind Tom was not at the table) "Hmmm... I wonder if that is a message for me".. since Taylor's Grandmother had recently given Taylor a Harmonica which I decided to play on occasion. Taylor really had little interest in this Harmonica. Now, as soon as I had finished with that thought the man came "zipping" around the corner and looked directly at Taylor and said in an emphatic tone "And you should learn to play the harmonica too" and then he "zipped" off again around the corner. I instinctively got out of my chair and went around the corner to where I saw the man sitting with his head down low as if he was in a silent space. I outstretched both of my arms to offer him a hug and he looked at me with the bluest of blue eyes.. sparkling they were... and he stood up and we hugged. After our hug he looked at me and said "No-one has ever done that before" and he then continued to say "I don't remember my name but I have a grand daughter who is not yet born and she is still a song and her name is Lyric". He then continued to say.. "They are waiting for me.. would you like to come and see"? I said "I'm sorry, I'm here with my Son". He asked me then "What is his name?" and I said "Why don't you ask him"? so then we ventured around the corner to my Son where he was sitting alone at the table and his Father was at the counter asking for water. He said to my Son "And what is your name?".. Taylor told him his name and the man who obviously heard it right the first time questioned him with another name of sorts.. I can't remember totally the names he gave but every time this man repeated Taylor's true name with a different name Taylor would say "No, my name is Taylor" until eventually the man said "Oh your name is Halo"? Taylor gave up at that point trying to explain himself at which time I noticed the man waving his hands in strange motions in front of Taylor as if he was giving some kind of a "blessing" to Taylor at which point my ex-husband arrived at the table. The man looked at Tom and put out his hand for a handshake and said "hello, my name is John". Tom did not offer his hand and gave this man a look of disgust at which point the man "zipped" out of the restaurant never to be seen again. So who was this man? I don't know for sure but I do know he had telepathic abilities and was not of the average human type..

[Curt]

Deedee,

Very cool story. How fast were his zipping movements? And did anyone else seem to notice it? What is your impression of who or what he was, and did you get any intuitive flashes on where he might have been from?

[Deedee]

Deedee,

Very cool story. How fast were his zipping movements? And did anyone else seem to notice it? What is your impression of who or what he was, and did you get any intuitive flashes on where he might have been from?

Hi Curtis. I'd like to better explain this experience but it's difficult. His zipping movements were so fast he was hard to "notice". It was as if he was "invisible" even to me who I consider to be a very aware person. My son never before and never after ever stopped a "stranger" in a restaurant. So even for my Son to do so on this particular day was a little peculiar. No-one else noticed because there were only the 4 of us plus the employee (behind the sandwich counter) in the sandwich shop. My impression is that he could perhaps be a Timeline Jumper. Of course this is just speculation. I didn't get any intuitive flashes as to where he might have been from but he wanted to show me something. He looked like a regular human being but I know he had abilities above and beyond the average human being. This is only one of many encounters I have had.. but I wouldn't want to bore you with all my stories plus I like hearing about everyone else's.... Deedee

[JoshERTW]

I met a girl in Australia who I'm sure was reptilian. I don't think she knew it though. She was a very strange person, and I'd met her a few times. One of those people that their roomates write off as the house "weirdo". Anyhow, she was from a well-to-do family, and she would often go out alone at night. One night at a party (when I was admittedly in an altered state of conciousness ;) ) she sort of cornered me. She was just talking to me normally, about every day stuff, but the words she said we're what I heard, and it was very clear to me that she was a walk in or something like that for a reptilian entity. I could see it. It was the scariest thing I'd ever encountered with regards to this stuff. Maybe it was the pot or the beers, but it was a powerful enough moment to invoke a moment of clarity and cause me to remember that particular event for the rest of my life (out of all the other stuff that went down at said party). In hindsight, I"m still sure of it to this day.

I had a second experience at work, stone cold sober, and in a business meeting with a Contractor. The representative for the Contractor was speaking normally but giving me this look, and this vibe of "I know, that you know what I really am." It was creepy, and I've never run into the same guy again in person, though I was positive before he even said a word that he was another "reptilian" host or whatever. It makes me think that this whole reptilian thing is a lot more subtle than we may think. A gnawing influence rather than some kind of full on possession or even a physical shapeshift type thing. Maybe there are degree's of it or something.

[Nyce555]

These stories are really great. I have never had an encounter with people like this, although I've run into a few strange folks or folks with empty eyes. I am hoping one day I can meet a nice ET as I am pretty good with reading people's energies.

[Curt]

These stories are really great. I have never had an encounter with people like this, although I've run into a few strange folks or folks with empty eyes. I am hoping one day I can meet a nice ET as I am pretty good with reading people's energies.

I wonder whether there aren't some on the forum? :cool:

[Vitalux]

If anyone has had a strange encounter with someone they felt wasn't human and doesn't feel comfortable sharing it on the wider forum please feel free to PM me. I would love to hear of others' experiences.


Back in 1982 I was about 21 years old and I had just had a very upsetting argument with my wife at the time.
It was one of those instances when we possess a young naive mind where we view problems such as love and infidelity as insurmountable hurdles that are unable to cross.

Heart broken on a hot summer early morning, with a light rain falling, I walked across town to a fairly busy major highway overpass with the intent of committing suicide by jumping off the bridge into oncoming traffic.
It was about 3:30 am in the morning and city traffic was pretty much non-existent.
As I paused on the bridge looking into the distance, waiting for a very large truck to come along, my thoughts were to time the event so that just as the truck was about to reach the overpass, I would jump over the railing and death would be instantaneous due to getting directly hit by the front end of the truck.

Just then, a police patrol car came along containing a single patrol officer in the car. He drove to where I was, which would have been the opposite side of the road for which his car was normally traveling. He rolled down his car window and I was quite surprised when he called to me by my name.
I had never saw this officer before, nor in anyway should I have been familiar to the police in the first place.
He asked me how I was doing, and I told him that I was just out for a walk to get some fresh air.

Next what he said, left me bewildered.

He said; " Gary, all have tough problems from time to time, but they do blow over"

The officer talked for a minute or so more, however in both my grief as well as my puzzlement of how he knew my name, kept me from really remembering what words followed.

Next, remember he told me that he worked in "intelligence" and just wanted to make sure I was ok.

When he drove away, I had lost all thoughts of jumping or committing suicide. I just started to walk back home.

At the time, I did not pay it much attention as I walked back due to turning my attention back onto dealing with the break-up of my wife and I.
Later, a few days later I did question my x-wife and asked her if she made any phone calls etc that night when I walked out. She said she didn't.

However, even after 30 years, that memory is still with me how out of the blue, something like that happens that alters fate.

Would I have jumped. Most certainly.
Had that cop would have called me to the car, or tried to approach me in any other way, I still would have jumped. I simply wanted to die, life at that moment was too much to bear.
However, his approach seemed to be both calming and a puzzlement.

Was he an alien etc, I have no clue. However he appeared to know a great deal more about me, than I of him.
I never saw that officer again.
If I did, I am sure that I would have thanked him.

[Curt]

Gary, that's incredible. Thanks for telling this story. I'm glad you're still around, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

[Flash]

I can understand mastering your emotions, but why would you want to "outgrow" them? Or did I mis-interpret this?

I certainly have no intentions of outgrowing my ability to love.

Cheers,
Fred

Emotions and love are not the same Fred, and love does not need emotions in order to be, it is the energy of life itself. Emotions however are the translations into 3 D or higher energies, either love or hatred for example. They will not follow you in your death nor are they part of your soul. Well... I think and feel this.

[Mark]

Great stories indeed. Thank you all for sharing them...life is so wondrous, so far beyond what is considered mundane, n these tales are great examples of that. In an infinite cosmos nothing is impossible ...

[Snowbird]

These stories are really great. I have never had an encounter with people like this, although I've run into a few strange folks or folks with empty eyes. I am hoping one day I can meet a nice ET as I am pretty good with reading people's energies.

I wonder whether there aren't some on the forum? :cool:

LOL! How utterly perceptive of you CurtisW. :yes2:

[seehas]

wow interesting story reminds me on something that happend to me,

sorry for bad english in the opening :)


i was going by train and only this day i bought the wrong ticket it was a whole day ticket so not wrong but to much i didnt needed that, as i went home in the late evening 4 security people checked all tickets and blocked all doors ... the train was still running and maybe 10minutes away from my exit, they checked my ticket all okay but some rows behind me they catched a guy without, i just listend didnt watched ... i heard he didnt tell his name and they call police for him to take him to the station
the train stopped at my exit on my way out i passed the guy asked him "do u need a ticket" he was just like " huh what?" gave him my ticket .. the security guys where just baffeling haha .. later on my way trough the station a guy came after me asked me the same " WHY DID YOU DO THAT?" and i realy had to explain him why i did it and he was like "WOW VERY NICE" like someone not used to see helping others.. very strange, realy i had the same odd feeling u had about that situation... thought about this many times later

thx for the reminder and great story :)

[seehas]

If anyone has had a strange encounter with someone they felt wasn't human and doesn't feel comfortable sharing it on the wider forum please feel free to PM me. I would love to hear of others' experiences.


Back in 1982 I was about 21 years old and I had just had a very upsetting argument with my wife at the time.
It was one of those instances when we possess a young naive mind where we view problems such as love and infidelity as insurmountable hurdles that are unable to cross.

Heart broken on a hot summer early morning, with a light rain falling, I walked across town to a fairly busy major highway overpass with the intent of committing suicide by jumping off the bridge into oncoming traffic.
It was about 3:30 am in the morning and city traffic was pretty much non-existent.
As I paused on the bridge looking into the distance, waiting for a very large truck to come along, my thoughts were to time the event so that just as the truck was about to reach the overpass, I would jump over the railing and death would be instantaneous due to getting directly hit by the front end of the truck.

Just then, a police patrol car came along containing a single patrol officer in the car. He drove to where I was, which would have been the opposite side of the road for which his car was normally traveling. He rolled down his car window and I was quite surprised when he called to me by my name.
I had never saw this officer before, nor in anyway should I have been familiar to the police in the first place.
He asked me how I was doing, and I told him that I was just out for a walk to get some fresh air.

Next what he said, left me bewildered.

He said; " Gary, all have tough problems from time to time, but they do blow over"

The officer talked for a minute or so more, however in both my grief as well as my puzzlement of how he knew my name, kept me from really remembering what words followed.

Next, remember he told me that he worked in "intelligence" and just wanted to make sure I was ok.

When he drove away, I had lost all thoughts of jumping or committing suicide. I just started to walk back home.

At the time, I did not pay it much attention as I walked back due to turning my attention back onto dealing with the break-up of my wife and I.
Later, a few days later I did question my x-wife and asked her if she made any phone calls etc that night when I walked out. She said she didn't.

However, even after 30 years, that memory is still with me how out of the blue, something like that happens that alters fate.

Would I have jumped. Most certainly.
Had that cop would have called me to the car, or tried to approach me in any other way, I still would have jumped. I simply wanted to die, life at that moment was too much to bear.
However, his approach seemed to be both calming and a puzzlement.

Was he an alien etc, I have no clue. However he appeared to know a great deal more about me, than I of him.
I never saw that officer again.
If I did, I am sure that I would have thanked him.

wow great story, but gary maybe that ment u allready commited suicide in lifes before so it wasnt on your todolist? ;)

good to have you still here

[Curt]

wow interesting story reminds me on something that happend to me,

sorry for bad english in the opening


i was going by train and only this day i bought the wrong ticket it was a whole day ticket so not wrong but to much i didnt needed that, as i went home in the late evening 4 security people checked all tickets and blocked all doors ... the train was still running and maybe 10minutes away from my exit, they checked my ticket all okay but some rows behind me they catched a guy without, i just listend didnt watched ... i heard he didnt tell his name and they call police for him to take him to the station
the train stopped at my exit on my way out i passed the guy asked him "do u need a ticket" he was just like " huh what?" gave him my ticket .. the security guys where just baffeling haha .. later on my way trough the station a guy came after me asked me the same " WHY DID YOU DO THAT?" and i realy had to explain him why i did it and he was like "WOW VERY NICE" like someone not used to see helping others.. very strange, realy i had the same odd feeling u had about that situation... thought about this many times later

thx for the reminder and great story


Thanks, Seehas. That's very similar to my 'encounter.' If you're like me, you've probably thought about this event in your life many times--and tried to decide exactly what about it made it so unusual. I think, like you said, it was the odd feeling that the experience caused that made me, and you in your encounter, think that it wasn't just an everyday interaction. I wonder if you are left with any impressions about who this 'person' might have been? Again, thanks for posting this. I'm glad to have read it.

[Dawn]

This is a topic I do not often discuss with others. Someone I trust once pointed out to me that when I speak of such things, I open portals into these dimensions, which means that I may possibly cause harm to listeners. However I am SO glad for this chance to explore this with all of you. This has been very much a part of my reality for many years now, with many encounters, and since it is not discussed in polite society, I usually cannot explore it. First I'd like to quote from the Emerald Tablets:


In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

As to how exactly this has played out in my life in a conscious way.....
Well, I found a Zen Master as a teacher (no names to protect the 'innocent?') who has become very famous since. 22 years ago he was such a warm and loving young man, and when in a room with him I felt my heart expand with love for myself and all else. He had an engaging laugh, a wide smile, and warm blue eyes. After a couple of years his group of students grew from 7 to about 100 or so. It was at this point that he became very ill. For 4 days he could not rise from bed and had severe flu-like symptoms with a very high fever. His wife was a licensed Chinese medical doctor, so attended his bed side rather than admit him to a hospital.

On the 4th day he opened his eyes and asked where he was and if he was in a hospital. To this his wife replied that he was at home in bed, but that she would take him to a hospital if he wished. He said "No, everything is fine" and lapsed back into a semi-conscious sleep.

A week later he appeared again to sit with his students. We were so delighted to see him apparently recovered. That day, I sat next to him to engage him in conversation and noticed something very strange, his eyes were totally vacant! There was no one in there except space. Over the next month all of his long time students became aware that he had left and something else was in his body. We all said we missed him and that he had 'died', including his wife. Back then we had the idea that Zen Buddhism speaks of ... that the person dies leaving the underlying emptiness of all that is. However, I eventually realized we were misapplying the Zen understanding. This man began to do things which had no integrity (I will not go into them here) and began to set up his classes more like a Guru worshiping event. Eventually I just could not continue to go, in fact I began to itch from head to toe when in his presence. I had loved the man he used to be so much, and this was like 'night of the body snatchers' in real life. He has the ability to transmit a type of energy (referred to as Shakti) which causes his students to go into a state of numbed our bliss in his presence. He now has thousands of students who seem addicted to him and who appear to worship him.... I wonder what he is really doing. He has all the correct eastern language, but something really feels off when I am around him.

I met a young woman a couple of years ago who spoke of going to see him on a continuing basis and I casually asked what he was like without revealing my earlier relationship with him. 'I think he is really an alien', she replied.

Since then I have met a few others with empty eyes. They look human, however something else is in there.

I have often wondered how many politicians have been taken over in this way. There wouldn't be a way to really know..

The problem is that in our world this is not real. We're all taught to deny what we see and know from infant-hood. So when we see this we go into instant denial.:scared:

[TelosianEmbrace]

My own experience was at a New Age Fair. This man was selling 'harmonisers'. We got to talking and he told me about how he dowsed underground tunnels in the area. I mentioned reptilians in underground bases and the funniest thing happened. His pupils changed shape as I was looking at him, became slits. It happened in an instant, a sort of pop or click (Nonaudible, just a way of describing the transformation) and then they reverted again. I had my wits about me to again turn the conversation towards reptilians, and it happened again! It was freaky. I just don't know if he knows he is or is overshadowed by, a reptilian. He's a smart being, so let's hope he's not on this forum and takes umbrage.
It has never been my honour to consciously meet a benevolent other worldly being, though I wish for it almost every day.

[christian]

The other day a woman asked me "you know, that you have a lot of alien DNA, don't you?". I said I don't know, but I surely got a lot from the Neanderthal...

great thread :popcorn:

[seehas]

wow interesting story reminds me on something that happend to me,

sorry for bad english in the opening


i was going by train and only this day i bought the wrong ticket it was a whole day ticket so not wrong but to much i didnt needed that, as i went home in the late evening 4 security people checked all tickets and blocked all doors ... the train was still running and maybe 10minutes away from my exit, they checked my ticket all okay but some rows behind me they catched a guy without, i just listend didnt watched ... i heard he didnt tell his name and they call police for him to take him to the station
the train stopped at my exit on my way out i passed the guy asked him "do u need a ticket" he was just like " huh what?" gave him my ticket .. the security guys where just baffeling haha .. later on my way trough the station a guy came after me asked me the same " WHY DID YOU DO THAT?" and i realy had to explain him why i did it and he was like "WOW VERY NICE" like someone not used to see helping others.. very strange, realy i had the same odd feeling u had about that situation... thought about this many times later

thx for the reminder and great story


Thanks, Seehas. That's very similar to my 'encounter.' If you're like me, you've probably thought about this event in your life many times--and tried to decide exactly what about it made it so unusual. I think, like you said, it was the odd feeling that the experience caused that made me, and you in your encounter, think that it wasn't just an everyday interaction. I wonder if you are left with any impressions about who this 'person' might have been? Again, thanks for posting this. I'm glad to have read it.

the person was a guy with african roots and the way he asked me about it made it so strange for me, like if he was deeply interested why i helped this person without any benifit out of it... i can remember how he looked at me and said VERY NICE OF YOU ... its like a strange moment in life u dont forgot i sometimes say keymoment in life its a situation like something is shocking you from above like "AHA" whats going on here wait a minute :)

i had a similar feeling when i was in my late teenager times we went to a what u call it in english maybe funfair or carnival? me and my friend got up a rollercoaster kind type thing and he talked to a girl next to us she looked pretty freighten and he wanted to calm her down, when we exit the ride like 8 -10 guys welcome us grabbed my friend and one guy was hitting on him like crazy (the gangboss was jealous because we talked to his girl on the ride..) .. in that second i had the same feeling in me "SHOCK" whats going on here and i went to him to help him and got knocked out by 3-4 guys and came back to reality later pretty bloody but i didnt watch my best friend get hitup.

thats one point where i had the same guts feeling the moment before i decided to help him, only a few seconds but a very strange feeling inside

i hope u understand what i mean

[Sesan]

Awesome stories everyone! I'm really enjoying this thread!!!
:cool:

[Curt]

This is a topic I do not often discuss with others. Someone I trust once pointed out to me that when I speak of such things, I open portals into these dimensions, which means that I may possibly cause harm to listeners. However I am SO glad for this chance to explore this with all of you. This has been very much a part of my reality for many years now, with many encounters, and since it is not discussed in polite society, I usually cannot explore it. First I'd like to quote from the Emerald Tablets:


In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

As to how exactly this has played out in my life in a conscious way.....
Well, I found a Zen Master as a teacher (no names to protect the 'innocent?') who has become very famous since. 22 years ago he was such a warm and loving young man, and when in a room with him I felt my heart expand with love for myself and all else. He had an engaging laugh, a wide smile, and warm blue eyes. After a couple of years his group of students grew from 7 to about 100 or so. It was at this point that he became very ill. For 4 days he could not rise from bed and had severe flu-like symptoms with a very high fever. His wife was a licensed Chinese medical doctor, so attended his bed side rather than admit him to a hospital.

On the 4th day he opened his eyes and asked where he was and if he was in a hospital. To this his wife replied that he was at home in bed, but that she would take him to a hospital if he wished. He said "No, everything is fine" and lapsed back into a semi-conscious sleep.

A week later he appeared again to sit with his students. We were so delighted to see him apparently recovered. That day, I sat next to him to engage him in conversation and noticed something very strange, his eyes were totally vacant! There was no one in there except space. Over the next month all of his long time students became aware that he had left and something else was in his body. We all said we missed him and that he had 'died', including his wife. Back then we had the idea that Zen Buddhism speaks of ... that the person dies leaving the underlying emptiness of all that is. However, I eventually realized we were misapplying the Zen understanding. This man began to do things which had no integrity (I will not go into them here) and began to set up his classes more like a Guru worshiping event. Eventually I just could not continue to go, in fact I began to itch from head to toe when in his presence. I had loved the man he used to be so much, and this was like 'night of the body snatchers' in real life. He has the ability to transmit a type of energy (referred to as Shakti) which causes his students to go into a state of numbed our bliss in his presence. He now has thousands of students who seem addicted to him and who appear to worship him.... I wonder what he is really doing. He has all the correct eastern language, but something really feels off when I am around him.

I met a young woman a couple of years ago who spoke of going to see him on a continuing basis and I casually asked what he was like without revealing my earlier relationship with him. 'I think he is really an alien', she replied.

Since then I have met a few others with empty eyes. They look human, however something else is in there.

I have often wondered how many politicians have been taken over in this way. There wouldn't be a way to really know..

The problem is that in our world this is not real. We're all taught to deny what we see and know from infant-hood. So when we see this we go into instant denial.:scared:

Wow. This is a powerful story. I'm thankful you're willing to share it with us all. It must have been very disappointing to discover that something like this could happen to someone who was on a spiritual path.

[Curt]

I'm not sure if it's considered bad form for me, as the creator of this thread, to be 'bumping' or 'reviving' it after it's been dormant for 10 days, so please feel free to let me know if it's not the done thing.... With that preamble......anyone else got a personal encounter story they'd like to share?....:cool:

[Carmody]

I met a girl in Australia who I'm sure was reptilian. I don't think she knew it though. She was a very strange person, and I'd met her a few times. One of those people that their roomates write off as the house "weirdo". Anyhow, she was from a well-to-do family, and she would often go out alone at night. One night at a party (when I was admittedly in an altered state of conciousness ;) ) she sort of cornered me. She was just talking to me normally, about every day stuff, but the words she said we're what I heard, and it was very clear to me that she was a walk in or something like that for a reptilian entity. I could see it. It was the scariest thing I'd ever encountered with regards to this stuff. Maybe it was the pot or the beers, but it was a powerful enough moment to invoke a moment of clarity and cause me to remember that particular event for the rest of my life (out of all the other stuff that went down at said party). In hindsight, I"m still sure of it to this day.

I had a second experience at work, stone cold sober, and in a business meeting with a Contractor. The representative for the Contractor was speaking normally but giving me this look, and this vibe of "I know, that you know what I really am." It was creepy, and I've never run into the same guy again in person, though I was positive before he even said a word that he was another "reptilian" host or whatever. It makes me think that this whole reptilian thing is a lot more subtle than we may think. A gnawing influence rather than some kind of full on possession or even a physical shapeshift type thing. Maybe there are degree's of it or something.

the 'do i know you?' feeling is sometimes that you are in the presence of a true sociopath. With regard to wiring, that would be reptilian.

[jcocks]

Once I, when I was working the drive-thru at McDonalds, I served a tall blonde man in a beaten up old car. He had a european accent. I had trouble understanding him as he was asking for a vanilla milkshake, but could not pronounce the L, it came out as a Y, so vanilla sounded like vaniya. Anyway, I thought that strange, he was a nice guy though, and off he went...

About 30 minutes or so later, he came back in his car with two of his friends, both tall blonde nordic types. All ordered a vanilla milkshake... Apparently they really liked them :)

Nothing off-putting about them at all - all friendly and I got good vibes off them - in face I had a huge grin on my face as I talked to them :) Can't help thinking their behavior was very weird and that perhaps, just perhaps, they were "making contact" :)

[Curt]

In light of recent conversations on another thread regarding TPTB and their 'Aryan' connection, I'd like to revive this old thread and see if anyone would be interested in sharing an encounter with a being whom they believe or even 'know' to be 'Aryan' in origin......

[Earth Angel]

My apologies if this is not the right venue for this, but my experience involved a child, about 12-13 years old. I remember looking into her eyes and seeing nothing there, not the slighest hint that there was any soul there at all, like looking into ,...nothing. I had never experienced anything like that before or since. Shocked the hell outta me.

I get the same feeling when I look at Stephen Harper ;)

[RMorgan]

Lots of weird things happened in my life, but this one fits this thread very well.

I was out of office, smoking a cigarette. I had a really annoying pain in my left ear canal, by that time, I guess it was some kind of inflammation.

Suddenly, a guy, pushing a popsicle selling cart passed by me just stuck his finger on my left ear and kept walking...

I was just like wow!! What a crazy guy!!!

Then, a couple of hours after, my ear was fine!! Really fine!!

Really weird.

[Curt]

Lots of weird things happened in my life, but this one fits this thread very well.

I was out of office, smoking a cigarette. I had a really annoying pain in my left ear canal, by that time, I guess it was some kind of inflammation.

Suddenly, a guy, pushing a popsicle selling cart passed by me just stuck his finger on my left ear and kept walking...

I was just like wow!! What a crazy guy!!!

Then, a couple of hours after, my ear was fine!! Really fine!!

Really weird.

That's pretty cool. Did you get the sense you 'knew' him, or in any way expected something odd was about to happen just before it did?

[RMorgan]

Lots of weird things happened in my life, but this one fits this thread very well.

I was out of office, smoking a cigarette. I had a really annoying pain in my left ear canal, by that time, I guess it was some kind of inflammation.

Suddenly, a guy, pushing a popsicle selling cart passed by me just stuck his finger on my left ear and kept walking...

I was just like wow!! What a crazy guy!!!

Then, a couple of hours after, my ear was fine!! Really fine!!

Really weird.



That's pretty cool. Did you get the sense you 'knew' him, or in any way expected something odd was about to happen just before it did?

No, not at all! I didn´t sense anything! :)

[applejax]

Thank you for sharing everyone. Although I'm not quite sure if I met any persons who seem a lot different that "normal" people (or probably refuse to acknowledge it), it could explain why most of the time I refuse to look at people's eyes. I do believe that they are the window to the soul, however, I know I can "read"/"see" more than that and that in itself scares me. There are people I can easily look in their eyes (and feel ok with it), and then there are some that I try to avoid eye contact as much as possible (and just end up looking somewhere than the eyes)...

[Jay]

This happened to me & I don't speak of it often - because I do imagine people just plain won't believe it and will think I'm nuts. It's been over 10 years but I am still intrigued and wonder myself. PS: I am sane, non-delusional, have a great imagination but this was bizarre to me.

Sun was going down and I was walking alongside a wide road (dual carriageway just out of the city limits) and I fell into a manhole/big stormwater drain (normal lid wasn't there - probably stolen). From down there saw by the tunnel that I was now stuck in a big storm drain. I'm tall but I could not jump up to reach the hole at the surface - also there was no way I could crawl out - there being no means to get a foothold. (This pipe or drain would fit your lounge furniture - it was that big). I looked around and didn't call out for help - not knowing who or what could be lurking down the tunnel. Was thinking about what to do next, like walk the tunnel when a man came to the hole at the surface. He was in an army uniform which had become obsolete ±3years prior to this incident - which I immediately thought was odd. He put his arms down through the opening. He pulled me up by the arms - difficult feat considering I had no foot hold, so he was bearing all my weight up (and, as I said I am tall / big boned, not lightweight).
When I was on the surface he spoke to me saying I ought not to be walking around in that area (which I knew but..anyway). I was shocked to see he was small & short (not stocky or muscular) and wondered how he had the power to pull me out like that. I was also embarrassed (I mean REALLY embarrassed to be found there). I went on my way. There weren't any vehicles around, but just as a safety precaution glanced back after my first couple of steps to see where he was heading - and he was GONE. Not walking, not getting into any car - ZIP GONE. I might add that there was a fence to the side of the walkway and no buildings which he could have snuck into.
I was left with the thought that (a) HOW did he manage lift me out (b) WHY was he wearing an obsolete and unpopular army uniform and (c) WHERE did he disappear to

To this day I consider it could have been a paranormal intervention - I really don't know. BTW I got home safely with only a scratch to my shin.

[Locks]

It surprises me when things like that happen that people don't ENGAGE the other person and speak out about the "weirdness" of it. That night you could have gone over to them and ASKED what that was just all about. You either missed out on a potential teaching moment from a couple of enlightened strangers or missed out on being slaughtered by a pair of psychopaths. LOL...I'm betting on the first... (but whew!! ...on your part... if they were actually the second.)

[sshenry]

Oh lord, I could probably write a book on all the odd encounters that I've had, whether human or non-human or something else, that is anyone's guess.


Since I was small I've been aware of "the in-between people" (my term for them). These are 'people' that move about like normal people, but whom most people don't seem to see. I can never decide if they are otherworldy or just vibrating at a higher frequency than most people. I see them - they see that I see them and acknowledge me with a nod or a smile, sometimes a touch of the hand, sometimes by catching and holding my eye. These 'people' always seem to be watching - watching those around them, standing on the edge of things or moving through a crowd, putting a hand on a shoulder, whispering in someone's ear...but like I said, no one ever seems to notice them, though most people treat them (physically) like they would any other person - walking around them, stepping to one side to let them pass etc, but never actually SEEING them. Of course sometimes the in-between people will do a 'fade' or simply slip through a wall. But for the most part they move about like a regular person.

One of the oddest encounters I had once was in an airport. I was sitting by a window, waiting for my connecting flight and just watching people come and go, and watching these in-between people as they moved about through the crowds. Well, out of nowhere this real girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away. I stared after her, half laughing, and caught the eye of the closest in between person who gave me an ear-to-ear grin and winked before dissapearing through a wall.

[Locks]

Oh lord, I could probably write a book on all the odd encounters that I've had, whether human or non-human or something else, that is anyone's guess.


Since I was small I've been aware of "the in-between people" (my term for them). These are 'people' that move about like normal people, but whom most people don't seem to see. I can never decide if they are otherworldy or just vibrating at a higher frequency than most people. I see them - they see that I see them and acknowledge me with a nod or a smile, sometimes a touch of the hand, sometimes by catching and holding my eye. These 'people' always seem to be watching - watching those around them, standing on the edge of things or moving through a crowd, putting a hand on a shoulder, whispering in someone's ear...but like I said, no one ever seems to notice them, though most people treat them (physically) like they would any other person - walking around them, stepping to one side to let them pass etc, but never actually SEEING them. Of course sometimes the in-between people will do a 'fade' or simply slip through a wall. But for the most part they move about like a regular person.

One of the oddest encounters I had once was in an airport. I was sitting by a window, waiting for my connecting flight and just watching people come and go, and watching these in-between people as they moved about through the crowds. Well, out of nowhere this girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away. I stared after her, half laughing, and caught the eye of the closest in between person who gave me an ear-to-ear grin and winked before dissapearing through a wall.

WOW!!

Stuff like that happen to you often?

[RMorgan]

That´s very nice! I´ve made a thread about one of these encounters a few months ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24815-another-contact-with-extra-dimensional-beings

Anyway, I´m pasting it here again:

It was July, 2010. We were having a party at a friend´s farm, not the "heavy" kind of party, but a pretty pleasant family party, with people from all ages playing nice games, listening to music and these kinds of stuff.

There was a lot of people there, so the bedrooms were all full and I had to sleep at the dining room.

It was about 3:00am when I went to sleep there, so I took my sleeping bag and got myself comfortable at a corner of the room, with half of my body under the dining table.

At about 3:45am, I woke up feeling a presence, feeling that something was there with me. When I opened my eyes, I saw four people sitting by the table. A mid aged woman, an old woman, a teenage boy and a bald mid aged man.

I was a little dizzy, because I´m a heavy sleeper, so I didn´t care much about them. I just turn around and got back to sleep.

A few minutes later, I´ve waken up with the same sensation. The same persons were there, but this time, I tried to identify them just to realize they were not familiar to me at all. Suddenly, I´ve noticed that they were talking with each other somehow, but they weren´t making any noise. Their lips were shut, but they were interacting with each other like in a conversation. The strangest thing, is that they were moving so slow, just like a slow motion movie.

By that time, I realized I wasn´t dealing with something from this world.

After observing them for a while, I just got tired and got back to sleep. You know, I´m used to weird things. I´ve lived with strange phenomenons during my whole life and I didn´t care to much about it. Besides, I wasn´t sensing any kind of evil or bad intentions on them.

A few minutes later, I woke up again, but I got a little bit scared because the old women was staring straight into my eyes and from above, since I was sleeping under table and they were sitting on the chairs.

This time, I´ve decided to get up and take a closer look on these guys. I walked around the table and somehow, I had the sensation that they didn´t care about it at all. I´ve looked into their eyes several times, but they didn´t stop doing their stuff. They were just "talking" to each other, without emitting any sounds or moving their lips. They were moving so slow... I mean, really slow, almost stopping.

So I got tired of it again, went back to sleep and guess what...I woke up again with the same sensation. They were still there, but changed positions. The tall bald mid aged man was now standing up...

This time, I was really mad, and I got up pretty fast saying something like "get out of here now! I want to sleep!" on loud voice, and they were gone, like in a split second.

It was the only time in my life that I´ve experienced such a thing several times on the same night. I mean, they looked real!

[sshenry]

WOW!!

Stuff like that happen to you often?

Which bit? I see the in-between people all the time, interact with them, so that wasn't exactly new. It still amazes me though. They are so peaceful and quiet and, well, ethereal.

I've had occurances similar to the girl coming up to me before happen, yes, but usually people aren't so direct. Usually they say something cryptic like "where did you come from?" or "have you been here the whole time?" or "Thank you for being here." These odd statements usually come totally unexpectedly and leave me blinking, lol.

[Adi]

I dont have much time at the moment to go into it, but I can assure you there is non human beings walking amongst us in the street daily. Those in between people as stated above is an very accurate repersentation of them.

Adi

[Logan]

sshenry, as a fellow DC resident I find your experiences fascinating!

I will keep my eyes open the next time I'm waiting at Gallery Place for a train or enjoying a hot dog on the Mall! :)

[ghostrider]

had too many to tell all, but here is one. I was in the military talking on the pay phone at the post px, BIG parking lot, a man approached me and said he needed to fly home asap his wife was having the baby, he didn't have money, he was frantic, I told him , go to the red cross building right there and they will arrange everything pronto, he thanked me several times and as I turned my gaze his direction to say your welcome he vanished, just gone like that. there was no where to go to hide in that Big parking lot, he didn't have a car. it was like he came out of nowhere and returned to nowhere ...I had just been through the same thing three days before my son was born. thats how I knew where to go and what would take place with a Need to fly right now life or death situation... it was freaky...

[NeverMind]

Have you ever met someone you believe may not be human?

No. But I have met two or three people who thought I was not human.
And a taxi driver thought I was an angel. (Which was deeply depressing because I was only being a human.)

And yet, they were wrong. I am a human. I was born on this Earth, from earthly parents.
I don't always like being a human, but I do try to be the best human I can possibly be.

[Mare]

A very interesting thread you lot with so much input. Thank you all.

Two experiences sprang to mind immediately when the question was first put forth, one negative and one positive. I will add the negative first and then the positive to end my post on a cheery note. Both occurred sometime in the nineties when I was a young man. Both were fleeting but were powerful enough to make a lasting impression upon me. Now the first.

I was in the city of Liverpool which is an old port town located in the north west of England. I was standing at a busy junction in the city-centre on a beautiful summers day waiting for the traffic to halt to allow us all to cross, when looking to my right I noticed a tall well-built male dressed in a black suit walking in my direction. His skin looked grey and his black eyes appeared lifeless. He was looking straight ahead and I knew he would continue past me but he gave off such an aura of evil that I had to look away. As he walked past me (within touching distance) I felt compelled to look upon him again. He was big, strode with a purpose and sitting on his right cheekbone just below his eye was a big, fat bluebottle. I couldn't get across the road quick enough.

Secondly, I used to volunteer with a group that gave under-priviledged children the oppurtunity to get away on a holiday that they would never otherwise realise. On this occasion we were to take the children to a 17th century manor house situated in the countryside outside Birmingham. Being disorganised as usual I had packed my camera in my rucksack but had forgotten to buy 35mm film to go with it. (To our younger readers these were the days before digital!) One arriving at this amazing building in the middle of nowhere, I realised that I would have no chance of buying the film and cursed my lack of foresight. There were photo opportunities galore.

On the second day of our holiday my fellow team-leader and I decided to take the boys of our group out on a walk into the countryside for an hour or two before tea. Nothing more than a few miles of country lanes that encircled the manor house. About an hour into the walk we approached the edge of a wood and saw a figure appear ahead of us in the dappled sunlight. Toothless and at least in his 80's he wore old-fashioned boots, an overcoat and leaned on a stick. He greeted us all and asked us where we were from. The boys all gathered round him and eagerly explained themselves. They were all so excited by his presence. Then he rummaged through his pockets and produced a 35mm film asking if it was of any use to anyone. I couldn't believe the coincidence and told him so. He chuckled to himself, handed me the film and said goodbye to us all. As we walked away I looked back to wave him goodbye but he was gone. I told the children he was a Wizard and still wonder to this day whether he was or not.

[Curt]

Oh lord, I could probably write a book on all the odd encounters that I've had, whether human or non-human or something else, that is anyone's guess.


Since I was small I've been aware of "the in-between people" (my term for them). These are 'people' that move about like normal people, but whom most people don't seem to see. I can never decide if they are otherworldy or just vibrating at a higher frequency than most people. I see them - they see that I see them and acknowledge me with a nod or a smile, sometimes a touch of the hand, sometimes by catching and holding my eye. These 'people' always seem to be watching - watching those around them, standing on the edge of things or moving through a crowd, putting a hand on a shoulder, whispering in someone's ear...but like I said, no one ever seems to notice them, though most people treat them (physically) like they would any other person - walking around them, stepping to one side to let them pass etc, but never actually SEEING them. Of course sometimes the in-between people will do a 'fade' or simply slip through a wall. But for the most part they move about like a regular person.

One of the oddest encounters I had once was in an airport. I was sitting by a window, waiting for my connecting flight and just watching people come and go, and watching these in-between people as they moved about through the crowds. Well, out of nowhere this real girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away. I stared after her, half laughing, and caught the eye of the closest in between person who gave me an ear-to-ear grin and winked before dissapearing through a wall.

This is very interesting stuff. Who do you think the in-between people are? Are they us, but just on a different frequency? Are they 'watchers' or 'grigori' of some sort, (to use a less than perfect term)? I'm fascinated when you say that people don't see them, but still manage to walk out of their way--as though people are unconsciously aware that they are there, but still do not acknowledge them. What do you suppose that is all about? Thanks so much for this. You've set up and explained an amazing phenomenon in a sane way and in a way that is easy to visualize--at least for me.

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had too many to tell all, but here is one. I was in the military talking on the pay phone at the post px, BIG parking lot, a man approached me and said he needed to fly home asap his wife was having the baby, he didn't have money, he was frantic, I told him , go to the red cross building right there and they will arrange everything pronto, he thanked me several times and as I turned my gaze his direction to say your welcome he vanished, just gone like that. there was no where to go to hide in that Big parking lot, he didn't have a car. it was like he came out of nowhere and returned to nowhere ...I had just been through the same thing three days before my son was born. thats how I knew where to go and what would take place with a Need to fly right now life or death situation... it was freaky...

This is another great story. Do you think he was a thought projection, given that this was the same scenario you had encountered? Or do you think it was a little pop quiz from the universe testing you on whether you had learned to appreciate the value of giving back what you had been fortunate enough to receive? Maybe both. That's a very heartwarming story in a way.

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I dont have much time at the moment to go into it, but I can assure you there is non human beings walking amongst us in the street daily. Those in between people as stated above is an very accurate repersentation of them.

Adi

Adi,

So you've seen and experienced these people as well? When you have a minute, and if you would like to share, please do.

[Curt]

This happened to me & I don't speak of it often - because I do imagine people just plain won't believe it and will think I'm nuts. It's been over 10 years but I am still intrigued and wonder myself. PS: I am sane, non-delusional, have a great imagination but this was bizarre to me.

Sun was going down and I was walking alongside a wide road (dual carriageway just out of the city limits) and I fell into a manhole/big stormwater drain (normal lid wasn't there - probably stolen). From down there saw by the tunnel that I was now stuck in a big storm drain. I'm tall but I could not jump up to reach the hole at the surface - also there was no way I could crawl out - there being no means to get a foothold. (This pipe or drain would fit your lounge furniture - it was that big). I looked around and didn't call out for help - not knowing who or what could be lurking down the tunnel. Was thinking about what to do next, like walk the tunnel when a man came to the hole at the surface. He was in an army uniform which had become obsolete ±3years prior to this incident - which I immediately thought was odd. He put his arms down through the opening. He pulled me up by the arms - difficult feat considering I had no foot hold, so he was bearing all my weight up (and, as I said I am tall / big boned, not lightweight).
When I was on the surface he spoke to me saying I ought not to be walking around in that area (which I knew but..anyway). I was shocked to see he was small & short (not stocky or muscular) and wondered how he had the power to pull me out like that. I was also embarrassed (I mean REALLY embarrassed to be found there). I went on my way. There weren't any vehicles around, but just as a safety precaution glanced back after my first couple of steps to see where he was heading - and he was GONE. Not walking, not getting into any car - ZIP GONE. I might add that there was a fence to the side of the walkway and no buildings which he could have snuck into.
I was left with the thought that (a) HOW did he manage lift me out (b) WHY was he wearing an obsolete and unpopular army uniform and (c) WHERE did he disappear to

To this day I consider it could have been a paranormal intervention - I really don't know. BTW I got home safely with only a scratch to my shin.

What or who did you think this man was at the time? Would he be what some in the thread have referred to as in-between people, those who most cannot see? What sort of thoughts were going through your mind as you were say five or ten minutes out of the hole and walking back toward civilization? I'm guessing that must have been when it started to really hit you....

[sshenry]

sshenry, as a fellow DC resident I find your experiences fascinating!

I will keep my eyes open the next time I'm waiting at Gallery Place for a train or enjoying a hot dog on the Mall! :)

I found a rabbit under one of the cement benches in the Gallery Place metro stop once (six stories down -long story - very scared rabbit).

It's interesting, they seem to especially like watching the kids on the carosel on the mall - and for some reason, L'Enfant Plaza metro stop - especially during rush hour :p

[Pete]

Your experience is similar to mine, although there was no other person. As a teenager I enjoyed potholing or caving and I was descending a very akward hole called Drunkmans pit in Somerset with about 10 others. It was tortuous to descent and terminated in what is called a lobster pot that needed a rope to enter and exit via a hole in the roof of a large circular chamber. Going on from this chamber there was a crack in the floor that descended into chimney shaft and a boulder choke some 35 foot below.

It was there so I began to descend the last 35 foot and misplaced my footing and began to fall. In that split second the reality of the situation flashed through my mind, I was free-falling on to a very uneven boulder strewn floor some 30 foot below, the chances of escaping without breaking my legs were minimal, I would also probably hit my head badly as I only had a plastic construction site hat held on with a bit of bailing twine. Then I thought, with these type of injuries how would they get me out. I have had to assist others in the past with simple leg injuries and that was hard enough and this cave was one of the hardest I'd ever been down. Long story, short, I was going to die. I accepted my fate shut my eyes and relaxed there was nothing I could do as I plummeted towards the bottom.

With my eyes closed I thought, I should have hit the bottom by now, and waited for impact, it never came. I then became aware of a burning discomfort around my neck. I reached up thinking, what is going on, am I still falling, to discover the bailing twine strap on my helmet was pulled tightly under my jaw. The caving lamp that had been attached to the peak of the site hat was swinging around the void below me.

It was then that it dawned upon me that I was suspended from my hat,all 200 pound of me, aware it was only plastic and must be wedged between two opposing rocks, I gingerly felt for the lamp cord so I could get hold of the lamp at the end in order to assess if there was any hand or foot holds in blackness, I couldn't call for help because I couldn't open my mouth. The lamp came to hand and I found a hand hold and then a foot hold and then de-weighted the hat's hold on the rock and released it.

As you can imagine, relief is not the word and after I had composed myself I tried to asses where my hat had caught, I couldn't find anywhere that would have acted as a wedge for my hat.

:drama:

[sshenry]

This is very interesting stuff. Who do you think the in-between people are? Are they us, but just on a different frequency? Are they 'watchers' or 'grigori' of some sort, (to use a less than perfect term)? I'm fascinated when you say that people don't see them, but still manage to walk out of their way--as though people are unconsciously aware that they are there, but still do not acknowledge them. What do you suppose that is all about? Thanks so much for this. You've set up and explained an amazing phenomenon in a sane way and in a way that is easy to visualize--at least for me.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not entirely sure. I definitely don't get bad vibes from them. The fact that people physically react to them makes me feel that their being actual beings/entities (only a different vibrational level) is a good guess, because this would explain why their pressence can still be felt/detected, even if they don't consciously register in people's vision.

The fact that they don't JUST watch, but rather attempt to influence (the whisper in the ear, the touch on the shoulder etc.) however indirectly, makes me think that it is possible whoever and whatever they are (whether benign 'others' or aspects of our higher selves) be here to help guide humanity towards the next step in their spiritual evolution; preparing them maybe for the shfit in consciousness that is coinciding with the planetary changes....

Of course I could be completely wrong, but it's a thought :)

[jcocks]

Have you ever met someone you believe may not be human?

No. But I have met two or three people who thought I was not human.
And a taxi driver thought I was an angel. (Which was deeply depressing because I was only being a human.)

And yet, they were wrong. I am a human. I was born on this Earth, from earthly parents.
I don't always like being a human, but I do try to be the best human I can possibly be.

I've been told I'm an angel in disguise, and I wouldn't necessarily discount it either :) Have you considered that others may be sensing things about yourself that you yourself either don't realise or won't allow yourself to acknowledge?

[John Parslow]

Hello sshenry


... Well, out of nowhere this real girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away ...

From the experiences you describe - I have the strangest feeling that you may be the 'inbetweener'. Thank you very much for your experience story.

Best regards to you. JP :cool:

[Curt]

Hello sshenry


... Well, out of nowhere this real girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away ...

From the experiences you describe - I have the strangest feeling that you may be the 'inbetweener'. Thank you very much for your experience story.

Best regards to you. JP :cool:

Good call.....It was an interesting description wasn't it....

[Logan]

sshenry, as a fellow DC resident I find your experiences fascinating!

I will keep my eyes open the next time I'm waiting at Gallery Place for a train or enjoying a hot dog on the Mall! :)

I found a rabbit under one of the cement benches in the Gallery Place metro stop once (six stories down -long story - very scared rabbit).

It's interesting, they seem to especially like watching the kids on the carosel on the mall - and for some reason, L'Enfant Plaza metro stop - especially during rush hour :p

Aww did you get the rabbit to a shelter or vet?

Were you referring to in-between people watching kids on the carousel?

[sshenry]

Hello sshenry


... Well, out of nowhere this real girl came up to me and took both my hands in hers. "Please don't say anything" she said, then smiled at me and said "you're one of them, I know you are, thank you for being here, for letting me see you, just seeing you makes me feel that there is still some wonder in the world." Then she quickly let go of my hands and walked away ...

From the experiences you describe - I have the strangest feeling that you may be the 'inbetweener'. Thank you very much for your experience story.

Best regards to you. JP :cool:


Me as the inbetweener...The thought has crossed my mind :ohwell: I'm not entierly sure what that would mean (for me) but it is definitely an interesting position to be in.

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Aww did you get the rabbit to a shelter or vet?

Were you referring to in-between people watching kids on the carousel?

Oh yes, it went to an animal resuce shelter (actually they came and picked it up from me). Their deduction was that it must have been chased into the subway system from one of the metro stops that is out-of-doors (probably because of the grass mowing) and had somehow gotton on-board one of the trains, then gotten off at Gallery Place (which is six floors underground and right in the dead center of DC). What an adventure for a poor rabbit!

And yes - I was referring to the in-betweeners watching the kinds on the carosel :)

[Logan]

Thanks sshenry, I find this topic very interesting. I consider myself very open-minded about these sorts of things, but I can't say I have a lot of (or any) personal experience in them. I saw a UFO once. That was pretty intense. The details you have provided though have piqued my interest and I will watch people with a finer eye next time I am downtown.

It may be entirely possible I have met similar people and considered them simply odd, not deducing that they may be otherworldly or ethereal.

[Locks]

WOW!!

Stuff like that happen to you often?

Which bit? I see the in-between people all the time, interact with them, so that wasn't exactly new. It still amazes me though. They are so peaceful and quiet and, well, ethereal.

I've had occurances similar to the girl coming up to me before happen, yes, but usually people aren't so direct. Usually they say something cryptic like "where did you come from?" or "have you been here the whole time?" or "Thank you for being here." These odd statements usually come totally unexpectedly and leave me blinking, lol.


Yes, the part about encountering them bit...and I like how you described them...I'd never heard of them called "in-between people" before...but that seems to fit.

[onawah]

I just discovered this thread and after reading it all, have to thank all the posters for their fascinating, shared experiences.
I posted a couple of experiences I had a long time ago on PA, but I will recount them here again.

I was living in the Bay Area, CA. and attending a "psychic church", a branch of the Berkeley Psychic Institute, also taking classes there.
There was a young man in my class on energy healing who I think was a Pleiadian.

I didn't know anything about Pleiadians at the time--this was about 30 years ago--but I thought he was extraordinary from the start.
He looked like an angel--very fair, with amazingly clear blue eyes, porcelain skin, very handsome, but not vain or self conscious, and he dressed kind of grungy, as if he was trying not to attract attention to himself, with a long fringe that partially masked his extraordinary eyes.
He radiated a clean, pure, healthy energy, like some people I have met since who have been on a raw foods, vegan diet for a long time.
Very Nordic looking, though not tall, just average height.
He was polite and well spoken, obviously intelligent, and very modest in his manner..

We were often called on to pair off in class and practice healing each other.
Before too long, whenever this happened, this young man would come and sit across from me and give me amazing healings.
I was so blown away by his energy.
It was like the energy I feel from members of my soul group that I have met--like being HOME, only stronger, more pure and more impersonal.
I became very curious about him, and asked the teacher, a professional psychic, what she thought about him.

She told me that all the psychics at that chapter of the Church were also curious and had talked about him.
They had concurred he was Pleiadian, but they thought he had not come here in a ship, but had incarnated into a human body. (Or they may have thought he was a walk-in, though I had no idea what that meant at the time, so it is probably not a term I would have remembered).
I asked her if she had any idea why he was always choosing me to be the recipient of his healing.
She said the other people in the class didn't resonate with his energy, that it was too strong.
She suggested that I might have Pleiadian origins as well, which would explain why I resonated so well with his energy.
That was when I began getting interested in ETs.

I ran into this man a few times outside of class, and what I noticed was that he was very calm and self-contained, though he was more relaxed on the street and not in "healer mode", as he was in class.
Not that he was unfeeling, but his vibe was one of non-attachment.
I have met Tibetan lamas, gurus, and such, but this man's energy was even more refined, though very much grounded in the physical as well.
I could not understand why he would have wanted to incarnate here, but among other sources,
Bob Dean has said that the ETs are just as interested in us as we are in them.
I can't say, myself, but there must be a reason for them being here, aside from just wanting to help us, because actually incarnating here would seem to be making a supreme sacrifice, especially if there are other, more indirect ways of helping, which there must be...
.

I also had an encounter with a Zeta Reticulan hybrid. This was many years later, when I knew a lot more about ET/EDs and had become interested in the subject.
This woman was someone I knew through a group we both belonged to. We worked together sometimes on volunteer projects.
I became very curious about her. Her energy was also very enigmatic to me, though in a different way.
She was extremely thin, like a concentration camp victim, almost, yet she ate a lot.
She was bright and polite and generally upbeat, but very reserved and didn't reveal much about herself or connect with others closely.
But I was invited to her home a couple of times because of activities we had in common.
The last time I was there, I initiated a conversation about some particular subjects, which differed from our usual, generalized and mundane topics. .

I was reading the Law of One and David Wilcock's theories about Wanderers.
I asked her if she thought she was a Wanderer.
Her manner suddenly changed completely.
She became almost confrontational and told me that since she knew I knew she was different, why didn't I just come out with what I really wanted to ask her?
I said I didn't know what she meant.
She then told me that she was an Abductee, that she had had countless Contact experiences all her life, and that she knew she was a hybrid, born of a human mother who had been implanted with Z.R. genes.
I was flabbergasted! I hadn't expected that at all, but once she said it, I realized that it made perfect sense.
I hadn't actually come up with the idea myself, but it was clear to me that she was being completely sincere, and I had to believe her.

It took me awhile to get my wits about me again, but meanwhile, she had taken on quite a haughty tone and was lecturing me about how primitive the human race was and how she thought the Z.R.s were more evolved and were here to wake up the barbaric human race to the destructive path we were on, etc...

I am not a confrontational person, but I will stand my ground when needed, and when I finally got my center back, I told her that I knew there were other hybrids here besides Z.R.s and other ET races, and higher dimensional beings as well.
And that I didn't consider the Z.R.s to be that advanced, considering that they had destroyed their own planet and were here to study us and take our genes because they had taken a wrong turn in their evolution and couldn't reproduce anymore.

I went on to say I thought that Abduction and animal mutilations were barbaric practices, to say the least, and that it certainly didn't seem the Z.R.s motives were all that altruistic.
I told her that I thought I might have Pleiadian origins, and that I thought the Pleiadians and some of the other ET races here would help put a stop to the Z.R.s genetic program, since it was in violation of our free will.

She was even more flabbergasted than I was before I was done talking, and she looked almost as if she had gone into shock.
She grew pale and faint and had to sit down.
Her energy changed completely. The arrogant, superior attitude was gone and she was looking scared.
She said she wasn't feeling well and asked me to leave.

When I saw her after that, she was a changed woman.
She had became involved in her first romantic relationship and had become much friendlier, relaxed, and more open.
I asked her once if our conversation had affected her in some way and she said yes, very much.
She said she had embraced her human side much more and had realized that the Z.R.s were trying to control her for their own agenda, and she decided on a deep level that her life was her own and she was going to live it as she saw fit.

She begged me not to reveal her secret to anyone, and I said I would not name her, but that the information was useful and I would share it, using discretion.
She begged me not to, but I told her that I thought the Z.R.s agenda needed to be revealed and so I would not promise not to tell others about my experience, but that I would not give her name, and would be very discreet.
She wasn't happy with that at the time, but I'm pretty sure my sharing of this info has not ever caused her any harm.

I've had other encounters, but those two stick out in my mind a lot.

Thanks for this thread!

[sshenry]

Thanks sshenry, I find this topic very interesting. I consider myself very open-minded about these sorts of things, but I can't say I have a lot of (or any) personal experience in them. I saw a UFO once. That was pretty intense. The details you have provided though have piqued my interest and I will watch people with a finer eye next time I am downtown.

It may be entirely possible I have met similar people and considered them simply odd, not deducing that they may be otherworldly or ethereal.

It's very possible - I'm only aware of them as being 'other' because when I was little I went through a phase of telling my mom all about them, and continually getting reprimanded for 'story telling' :p I learned not to say anything about them after a while.

[onawah]

Many channelers have been saying that more people are able to see higher dimensional beings now, and even more will be as we go further into the Shift. They say they are all around us and helping as and where they can, which I believe.
It sounds to me like this is what you are seeing.
Maybe you will be joined soon by others with the same ability!



Thanks sshenry, I find this topic very interesting. I consider myself very open-minded about these sorts of things, but I can't say I have a lot of (or any) personal experience in them. I saw a UFO once. That was pretty intense. The details you have provided though have piqued my interest and I will watch people with a finer eye next time I am downtown.

It may be entirely possible I have met similar people and considered them simply odd, not deducing that they may be otherworldly or ethereal.

It's very possible - I'm only aware of them as being 'other' because when I was little I went through a phase of telling my mom all about them, and continually getting reprimanded for 'story telling' :p I learned not to say anything about them after a while.

[slipknotted]

i met this guy that could move your hand with his hand from across the room with an invisible force, i swear it was cool, then we lost contact with each other...he was cool, a little strange nice guy be he just seemed to have not a care in the world just happy free spirit way about him.

[Sesan]

It's not just us adults who can see things out of the norm. I was out camping with my family for a week-end getaway a few years ago. My oldest daughter, who was 4 years old at the time, was out playing around our campsite with all the kids. It was around dusk. Suddenly she runs up to me out of the darkness and says "Daddy they told me to tell you that they are here and they don't mean us any harm. They really wanted me to tell you that everything is going to be just fine." She gave me a smile so true and genuine that it still gives me chills to this day. She ran off to play with the kids again as if nothing had happened. When I ask who they were to this day, she only smiles.
:confused:

[Star1111]

My boss (who works remotely from myself thank heavens) - he definetly has some part-reptilian influence.
When I first met him we had a kind of eye to eye 'battle' as if he was saying to me telephatically "you know what I am", tell me you know that"
I felt he was trying to get me to confess or trying to scare me.
I just looked deeply into his eyes and said to him (telephathically) " you don't frighten me and there is nothing you can do to harm me". I oozed LOVE and Peace towards him.
When I did this, he became a little bit aggitated, then backed down and then seemed nervous or scared of me and clearly wanted to move away from me or for me to go.

He has given me grief every since!! its a constant struggle to keep on top of his demands and he is trying very hard to make me go.................. but I wont!!! ;)

[NeverMind]

No. But I have met two or three people who thought I was not human.
And a taxi driver thought I was an angel. (Which was deeply depressing because I was only being a human.)

And yet, they were wrong. I am a human. I was born on this Earth, from earthly parents.
I don't always like being a human, but I do try to be the best human I can possibly be.


I've been told I'm an angel in disguise, and I wouldn't necessarily discount it either

Well, in your case I wouldn't discount it either. ;)
Me, that's a different story... :-)

Seriously, though... I think I know what they sensed; and if so, they were right.
The thing is, what they sensed was - in my view - still humanity, only less "pedestrian" than the usual perception of what being human seems to mean.
They saw - I think - what a human could be.

Unless, of course, I am a - what was it? starchild? - with a severe case of retrograde amnesia... :p

[Curt]

This is a great conversation. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed thus far. With any luck there will be more to come....

[sshenry]

It's not just us adults who can see things out of the norm. I was out camping with my family for a week-end getaway a few years ago. My oldest daughter, who was 4 years old at the time, was out playing around our campsite with all the kids. It was around dusk. Suddenly she runs up to me out of the darkness and says "Daddy they told me to tell you that they are here and they don't mean us any harm. They really wanted me to tell you that everything is going to be just fine." She gave me a smile so true and genuine that it still gives me chills to this day. She ran off to play with the kids again as if nothing had happened. When I ask who they were to this day, she only smiles.
:confused:

Heh - I wish I'd had you as a parent when I was four :) When I told my parents about the people I saw I got reprimanded for "story telling" and then my mom knelt down with me that night and walked me through a prayer asking for forgiveness for "lying" *scratches head* when I told her I couldn't say I was sorry for lying because I hadn't lied she actually got mad at me. ah well :p

[RMorgan]

Hey guys! Here I go again, with another amazing case to tell.

My older brother, now with 34, used to have an imaginary friend when he was a kid. He used to call "him" Blackson Seu Oswald. I have no idea where he took this name from.

He used to play a lot with his invisible (for us) friend. My mom didn´t worry about it, because such thing is actually normal for kids.

Then, one day, we went to Grandma´s home, to lunch. She used to have a beautiful painting of Jesus face, hanging on the wall.

Suddenly, my brother pointed his finger at the painting and said: - Mommy!! Look!!! It´s my friend, Blackson Seu Oswald!!!

[Sesan]

It's not just us adults who can see things out of the norm. I was out camping with my family for a week-end getaway a few years ago. My oldest daughter, who was 4 years old at the time, was out playing around our campsite with all the kids. It was around dusk. Suddenly she runs up to me out of the darkness and says "Daddy they told me to tell you that they are here and they don't mean us any harm. They really wanted me to tell you that everything is going to be just fine." She gave me a smile so true and genuine that it still gives me chills to this day. She ran off to play with the kids again as if nothing had happened. When I ask who they were to this day, she only smiles.
:confused:

Heh - I wish I'd had you as a parent when I was four :) When I told my parents about the people I saw I got reprimanded for "story telling" and then my mom knelt down with me that night and walked me through a prayer asking for forgiveness for "lying" *scratches head* when I told her I couldn't say I was sorry for lying because I hadn't lied she actually got mad at me. ah well :p


Wow sshennry. At least I'm not the only one who had that happen to me as a child. I however am a little more on the accepting side of things. Besides I very much know who they are. My parents on the other hand are old school. I have a strong feeling that they both know who they are as well, but just can't accept that fact that they know. Thanks for the reply.
Sesan
:tinfoil3:

[delfine]

This is a topic I do not often discuss with others. Someone I trust once pointed out to me that when I speak of such things, I open portals into these dimensions, which means that I may possibly cause harm to listeners. However I am SO glad for this chance to explore this with all of you. This has been very much a part of my reality for many years now, with many encounters, and since it is not discussed in polite society, I usually cannot explore it. First I'd like to quote from the Emerald Tablets:


In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

As to how exactly this has played out in my life in a conscious way.....
Well, I found a Zen Master as a teacher (no names to protect the 'innocent?') who has become very famous since. 22 years ago he was such a warm and loving young man, and when in a room with him I felt my heart expand with love for myself and all else. He had an engaging laugh, a wide smile, and warm blue eyes. After a couple of years his group of students grew from 7 to about 100 or so. It was at this point that he became very ill. For 4 days he could not rise from bed and had severe flu-like symptoms with a very high fever. His wife was a licensed Chinese medical doctor, so attended his bed side rather than admit him to a hospital.

On the 4th day he opened his eyes and asked where he was and if he was in a hospital. To this his wife replied that he was at home in bed, but that she would take him to a hospital if he wished. He said "No, everything is fine" and lapsed back into a semi-conscious sleep.

A week later he appeared again to sit with his students. We were so delighted to see him apparently recovered. That day, I sat next to him to engage him in conversation and noticed something very strange, his eyes were totally vacant! There was no one in there except space. Over the next month all of his long time students became aware that he had left and something else was in his body. We all said we missed him and that he had 'died', including his wife. Back then we had the idea that Zen Buddhism speaks of ... that the person dies leaving the underlying emptiness of all that is. However, I eventually realized we were misapplying the Zen understanding. This man began to do things which had no integrity (I will not go into them here) and began to set up his classes more like a Guru worshiping event. Eventually I just could not continue to go, in fact I began to itch from head to toe when in his presence. I had loved the man he used to be so much, and this was like 'night of the body snatchers' in real life. He has the ability to transmit a type of energy (referred to as Shakti) which causes his students to go into a state of numbed our bliss in his presence. He now has thousands of students who seem addicted to him and who appear to worship him.... I wonder what he is really doing. He has all the correct eastern language, but something really feels off when I am around him.

I met a young woman a couple of years ago who spoke of going to see him on a continuing basis and I casually asked what he was like without revealing my earlier relationship with him. 'I think he is really an alien', she replied.

Since then I have met a few others with empty eyes. They look human, however something else is in there.

I have often wondered how many politicians have been taken over in this way. There wouldn't be a way to really know..

The problem is that in our world this is not real. We're all taught to deny what we see and know from infant-hood. So when we see this we go into instant denial.:scared:

Very relevant story as I´ve encountered something almost similar. Thanks for posting!

[Little Ishta]

I had an odd experience last year. I was at work and was having a bad day because of the manager was giving me a hard time (she did get fired a week later). There was this one customer that stuck out. She was tall and was dressed differently. She was watching me. When it got quiet (not many in the store at this point) she came over and started talking to me. "There is something different about you." I had just smiled at the comment. "There is a such a strength to you. Your aura is strong. Your energy is amazing." At this point I wanted to ask more but a lady came over and this woman who I had been talking to took off a ring and gave it to me.... (the ring was made out of copper, had a copper pearl, a crystal and a carnelian stone in it) "Here," she had said, "You need this, it will help you". Then she proceeded to hug me and said in my ear "You have work to do soon". And then she left. Ever since then I had often wondered about this work I am suppose to do. Have no idea to what it pertains to.

[Someoneson1]

I met Bill Clinton once outside the lingerie shop on Granville Street in Vancouver. Does that count?

I put on the show at the wall cntr for bill and the gov general during the APEC conference in vancouver some fifteen years ago. So I'd say it counts as well. Bomb sniffing dogs and glocks were abundant.

[beyondmyctrl]

I had an odd experience last year. I was at work and was having a bad day because of the manager was giving me a hard time (she did get fired a week later). There was this one customer that stuck out. She was tall and was dressed differently. She was watching me. When it got quiet (not many in the store at this point) she came over and started talking to me. "There is something different about you." I had just smiled at the comment. "There is a such a strength to you. Your aura is strong. Your energy is amazing." At this point I wanted to ask more but a lady came over and this woman who I had been talking to took off a ring and gave it to me.... (the ring was made out of copper, had a copper pearl, a crystal and a carnelian stone in it) "Here," she had said, "You need this, it will help you". Then she proceeded to hug me and said in my ear "You have work to do soon". And then she left. Ever since then I had often wondered about this work I am suppose to do. Have no idea to what it pertains to.

that's pretty cool :)

[Bongo]

I had an odd experience last year. I was at work and was having a bad day because of the manager was giving me a hard time (she did get fired a week later). There was this one customer that stuck out. She was tall and was dressed differently. She was watching me. When it got quiet (not many in the store at this point) she came over and started talking to me. "There is something different about you." I had just smiled at the comment. "There is a such a strength to you. Your aura is strong. Your energy is amazing." At this point I wanted to ask more but a lady came over and this woman who I had been talking to took off a ring and gave it to me.... (the ring was made out of copper, had a copper pearl, a crystal and a carnelian stone in it) "Here," she had said, "You need this, it will help you". Then she proceeded to hug me and said in my ear "You have work to do soon". And then she left. Ever since then I had often wondered about this work I am suppose to do. Have no idea to what it pertains to.

That is a great story

Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the ring to show us?

[Little Ishta]

I had an odd experience last year. I was at work and was having a bad day because of the manager was giving me a hard time (she did get fired a week later). There was this one customer that stuck out. She was tall and was dressed differently. She was watching me. When it got quiet (not many in the store at this point) she came over and started talking to me. "There is something different about you." I had just smiled at the comment. "There is a such a strength to you. Your aura is strong. Your energy is amazing." At this point I wanted to ask more but a lady came over and this woman who I had been talking to took off a ring and gave it to me.... (the ring was made out of copper, had a copper pearl, a crystal and a carnelian stone in it) "Here," she had said, "You need this, it will help you". Then she proceeded to hug me and said in my ear "You have work to do soon". And then she left. Ever since then I had often wondered about this work I am suppose to do. Have no idea to what it pertains to.

That is a great story

Would it be possible for you to take a few pictures of the ring to show us?

I'll try my best......

[ocean]

not to be fluffy or anything...but my first impression is..could it be angels? i remember my grandmother saying you never know if angels are testing you so be good to all people.

[Dawn]

Since I was small I've been aware of "the in-between people" (my term for them). These are 'people' that move about like normal people, but whom most people don't seem to see. I can never decide if they are otherworldy or just vibrating at a higher frequency than most people. I see them - they see that I see them and acknowledge me with a nod or a smile, sometimes a touch of the hand, sometimes by catching and holding my eye.

I am often aware of 'other dimensional beings' For example, I often see 7 or 8 ft tall black winged beings standing behind massage therapists and healers or around the room where the sessions take place. I don't know what their role is. They seem neutral to what is going on and simply observe... when I am in the room at any rate. I usually acknowledge them with a mental nod, and they nod to me in respect as well.

I have also seen 'demons' that are inter-dimensional as well. They seem to feed off fear and to deliberately inspire it in those they are near. Walls and so on do not stop them.

I have experienced the black winged beings (I think of them as black angels, though I don't really know who and what they are) come into someone in order to speak to me directly with 3d language. They are wonderful to experience and usually project an amazing amount of love and caring, their advice seems to be trustworthy as well. Later the person has no idea of the conversations that I had while they were temporarily occupied. I think these beings are benevolent.

[DNA]

I am often aware of 'other dimensional beings' For example, I often see 7 or 8 ft tall black winged beings standing behind massage therapists and healers or around the room where the sessions take place. I don't know what their role is. They seem neutral to what is going on and simply observe... when I am in the room at any rate. I usually acknowledge them with a mental nod, and they nod to me in respect as well.
I think these beings are benevolent.



I"ve had an experience like that Dawn. There is a healer here in Phoenix who offers donation only healings at a local bookstore, anyway, I thought I would check him out with my meditative vision. As he began to work a angelic being stood behind him projecting through his hands. When the being saw that I could see it, it came over and sat next to me and looked me in the face, it looked female. It was very cool. I also thought this being was absolutely benevolent.

I've never seen a black type angel. The Urantia book gives a pretty good description of angels without getting to much into Judaism, Islam or Christianity.
I have no problem buying what the Urantia book is stating about an angelic presense. A force of beings who act as sort of cosmic administraters if you will.



I mentioned reptilians in underground bases and the funniest thing happened. His pupils changed shape as I was looking at him, became slits.

I have a buddy who is pretty aware of this stuff, and he reported seeing the same thing in some one once. I found it strikingly odd, but he swore the guys eyes would change as if he wasn't focusing hard enough to keep them from appearing alien.



Back in 1982 I was about 21 years old and I had just had a very upsetting argument with my wife at the time.
It was one of those instances when we possess a young naive mind where we view problems such as love and infidelity as insurmountable hurdles that are unable to cross.

Heart broken on a hot summer early morning, with a light rain falling, I walked across town to a fairly busy major highway overpass with the intent of committing suicide by jumping off the bridge into oncoming traffic.
It was about 3:30 am in the morning and city traffic was pretty much non-existent.
As I paused on the bridge looking into the distance, waiting for a very large truck to come along, my thoughts were to time the event so that just as the truck was about to reach the overpass, I would jump over the railing and death would be instantaneous due to getting directly hit by the front end of the truck.

Just then, a police patrol car came along containing a single patrol officer in the car. He drove to where I was, which would have been the opposite side of the road for which his car was normally traveling. He rolled down his car window and I was quite surprised when he called to me by my name.
I had never saw this officer before, nor in anyway should I have been familiar to the police in the first place.
He asked me how I was doing, and I told him that I was just out for a walk to get some fresh air.

Next what he said, left me bewildered.

He said; " Gary, all have tough problems from time to time, but they do blow over"

The officer talked for a minute or so more, however in both my grief as well as my puzzlement of how he knew my name, kept me from really remembering what words followed.

Next, remember he told me that he worked in "intelligence" and just wanted to make sure I was ok.

When he drove away, I had lost all thoughts of jumping or committing suicide. I just started to walk back home.

At the time, I did not pay it much attention as I walked back due to turning my attention back onto dealing with the break-up of my wife and I.
Later, a few days later I did question my x-wife and asked her if she made any phone calls etc that night when I walked out. She said she didn't.

However, even after 30 years, that memory is still with me how out of the blue, something like that happens that alters fate.

Would I have jumped. Most certainly.
Had that cop would have called me to the car, or tried to approach me in any other way, I still would have jumped. I simply wanted to die, life at that moment was too much to bear.
However, his approach seemed to be both calming and a puzzlement.

Was he an alien etc, I have no clue. However he appeared to know a great deal more about me, than I of him.
I never saw that officer again.
If I did, I am sure that I would have thanked him.

This is an amazing story. I have some personal doozies my self, stories I'm sure a lot of folks would have a hard time believing, but this, this is a killer story bro. :)
I have a feeling you could be George Mcfly or something, Marty's dad from back to the future.
It may sound outlandish, but there is pretty solid evidence that half of what goes on at area 51 or S4 as it is called by folks in the know is a project called project looking glass.
This is stated by a security personel informant who came to Wendelle Stevens. And it is further corrolated by a high ranking colonial who told his story to Bill Uhouse.

I was suprised to see that David Wilcock knows about this as well, he explains it in his first 2012 presentation on youtube. Wilcock explains that this project looking glass is modeled after the pineal gland, and is built for the sole purpose of looking forward and backward in time.

[Ammit]

Thankyou, this is a fantastic thread.

I dont have a story I wish to tell, only feelings.

I find when I am driving my car , either night or day, I feel the need to look into the drivers eyes that is coming towards me. I could get the feeling while the car is 200 yards away or more and have to lock on to their eyes as they pass me by, strange part is they are usually doing the same thing and often are smiling at me.

It could even be a person stood by the road side, I can glance at them as I pass and our eyes just lock on to each other, almost as though I shouted out the car window at them...

I dont know if this is just because I am bored while driving or if something is making me do this, for the record though, I dont feel the need to do this to every car or person that I pass, probably twice a day.

Ammit

[pharoah21]

I remember two experiences of mine, both happened on the train while I was in my pentecostal christian days:crazy:

I recall one time being on the train and seeing an old lady get on. She wore extremely dirty, old clothing, and was barefoot. She had cuts all over her feet, and looked absolutely mad. She looked like she could be the devils mother........ She was very hard to look at, and nobody would stand near her, or offer her a seat. I remember while I was seated reading the bible about a story of Jesus helping Mary Magdalene the prostitute, even though she was considered an untouchable outcast by all the rabbis at the time. I had a strong moment in which I realised that all the people on the train at that time were like the rabbis, they had the same 'too good for this lady' type attitude. So I decided to do something about it. I walked up to her, and held out some cash, she looked at it, then looked back up at me and asked 'What's this?' 'It's for you.' I replied, with a smile on my face, extending my hand once again. She took it, and said thank you. I could feel the eyes of the entire carriage on me so I switched carriages. When I sat down I felt so good, but I just couldn't stop shaking, my adrenaline was running, and there was so much energy on me. Not a bad energy, it actually felt quite good. But it was an incredibly powerful experience given that all I did was give somebody cash. But I don't think she was a normal human being.

Another time I remember taking the train home one afternoon, maybe 4 years ago or so. I can't remember what I was doing, but I do remember feeling extremely depressed, I was losing hope. The train was quite busy, and I remember a man getting on the train once we started to go through the rougher parts of town. He was white, maybe 5'7, with a thick beard and brown hair. He was standing maybe 10 meters (30 feet) away from me, but I felt my eyes keep going to his direction. The man looked incredibly happy, and I could see a strong light coming off his face, like an aura. It was a gold colour, and I could feel the energy of the train start to change. I was very much still asleep back then, but looking back now I remember intuitively knowing that he could somehow intentionally lift the energy of this train carriage. He had a permanent grin on his face, and all I could keep thinking to myself was 'Who is this guy? And why is he so happy? Is this Jesus?'

It was a brilliant thing to witness.

[Curt]

:peep:......

[ghostrider]

yep he was able to control me with his mind , it make me so afraid I went looking for God and found him. paranormal things started happening ever since. I came out of the matrix and into the unseen world. If I ever see him again , I'm gonna use the hammer of Thor and it won't be pretty .

[markpierre]

I love this subject. I have no anecdotes, other than many seemingly random but weird encounters with people who I'd never meet again.
That impacted me in some subtle (just how subtle can that get?) or obvious way that changed me or my course in an important way.
You have to wonder.
Mission specific? Or just a casual but constant tuning?

[Mike Gorman]

Yep, i was walking out of my office building for lunch one day, when this young looking dude came walking really fast down the pavement, he was shouting out what seemed to be nonsense, but as i listened each person he neared, he'd change the spiel as if he was reading out their mental inner life-he saw me and what came out intrigued me, it was like a small condensed slice of my family relationships, like my sub-conscious back-ground layers-it was very strange-i thought then that perhaps this person was an 'off worlder' visiting.

[Fred Ryan]

About a year ago I was eating by myself at a local Japanese restaurant. As I ate I looked up and noticed a tall, thin Asian man peering through the restaurant window. He turned and walked toward the main door of the restaurant. As he walked his posture can only be discribed as that of a preying mantis. He sat down and seemed confused by the menu and seemed to ask quite a few questions of the waitress. When the food came he picked up the chopsticks and looked at the in amazement. He struggled through his meal, unable to use the chopsticks with any level of competency.

He spoke English with a North American accent but was of Asian decent. The restaurant is in the SF Bay Area where Asian restaurants and chopsticks are common place. In fact, the restaurant is located in a local "Asian Mall" that is not in a touisty area and is predominately patronized by Asian-Americans.

My impression at the time was that he was a tourist. I'm just not sure from where he came.

[Jackson]

Great stories...thanks all.

Here is my contribution. I was raised a mormon but left it early on because I couldn't buy into the whole story. I really enjoy talking to young mormon missionaries when they come to the door. This one time they came to the door and wanted to tell me about their religion. I asked if they would like to come with me to my studio which is upstairs of my shop. They hesitated at first but then agreed. They sat down on the couch across from me. I noticed right away that they were very poorly dressed and had dirty old shoes. Their suits were very worn all of which is very unusual for young missionaries as they are very tidy. I started the conversation by asking them about some principals of mormonism. They looked at each other and couldn't seem to get what I was asking. This is also very unusual for them as before they can go on a mission they are highly trained in giving answers about the church to prospective members. I asked them other things about the church but they were very uncomfortable and fidgeted a lot. I also remember feeling a bit unsettled. They both said at the same exact time " we must be going" and stood up together and walked downstairs and out the door. I watched them go out the driveway to the street....one turned right and the other one turned left. I walked out to the street to see what they were doing and could not find them anywhere...they had simply disappeared. They didn't have a car or bicycle. Just vanished. My first thought was men in black. But that doesn't fit with stories that people have of encounters with men in black. To this day I am baffled as I see many young missionaries around town and they are very different than those that visited me. I don't know what or who they were.

[crossroader]

The "anonymous" caller on this (http://projectcamelotportal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=86:breaking-news-david-wilcock-receives-death-threat&catid=31:kerrys-blog&Itemid=218) Kerry Cassidy radio interview struck me as a being such as is topic of this thread.

[Curt]

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences. This topic is fascinating to me, as I'm sure it is to lots of other people.

[Curt]

Just gotta blatantly bump this again. You never know... that one person who hasn't seen the thread yet might just have the greatest story to tell.

:bolt: