Born into a secret Bloodline Order - How I got introduced to the world of Occultism

[Carmody]

If the coming state of mind and being for humanity is about sharing, equality, evenhandedness, no holier than thou conditionals, then don't contribute via pontification as an outset objective, as that is contrary to the direction and the outcome. Plain and simple.

That.. or, if you will.. such behaviors... are directly observable as objectification and separation.

Which, according to what we seem to be headed toward... and seem... in our hearts -to understand... is, politely put..probably the wrong foot and the wrong direction.

Therefore, as a point in analysis.. one cannot start via pulpits, heights, nor the position of pontification.

At last record, the past 15,000+ years of exactly that.... has been our continual downfall.

I've repeated myself, for a reason.

Be exceedingly careful here.

Modeling for a suitable guru shape... then testing it among the less gullible of humans is a real goal, and this forum is an excellent place to practice until perfect.

Our response is coherent enough to test models, which is why the act of intrusion into the forum is a norm, a given, an expectation...not an exception.

Practice discernment ...from an aware and expanded condition that is balanced in outlook; balanced by and through an aware, thinking -practical position.

Be aware, that the history of humankind, is to ignore this type of message that I'm delivering here. Ignored through not evolving the self enough to see the reality of such, or to not have the experience yet, in order to understand that.

Even if he is who he says he is, there is no candy, there never was... and you should consider endeavoring to not be capable of being fooled by the self.

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PRISON-BREAK

Dear Edward Alexander

You sad this in one of your post:

"So, realize that, and you will have that in your conscious mind as well as your subconscious mind, indeed in your soul, so that at time of death,
what you should do is request yourself to experience your True Form, your Real Spiritual Essence,
and immediately fly as far away from Earth as you can in spirit form."

I am currently unaware of any safe harbours out there, if you can be so kind to point me in the right direction.??
Or is it that i get my true memories back, as i get my True form my Spiritual Essence.??

If you dont know where in the universe i should go, please tell me so, i dont want to use up my afterburners flying right in to enemy hands.
Maybe it's enough just to hide behind the Moon,?? from there i still get a pretty good view if someone are on my tail.

Then again we have all them out there who claim the Moon are artificial, and are used to manipulate and control us.
Maybe the Moon are the one thing they use to catch and trap us wid, when the few who can break free tries. They just end up back here,
Thanks to that death star of a Moon we got out there.??

Well it's not an easy task Edward i give you that, yourself have reincarnated here if i got you right.
Please share what happened on your esacape, maybe they whippet them memories out from you.??
Still im sure you gave them a good run though..

Me personally if you dont have any advice on this matter, will head straight for Sirius A.
I heard rumors that there might be a feline race on a planet in the solar system of Sirius A
Can you confirm this Edward.??

I have had several OBE of late, and there are a feline present who guides me through tasks i have to perform.
Do you have any information about the feline race.??

Any input you can give me are very much appreciated

[grapevine]

Hi Edward Alexander

Thanks for posting. i have two questions for you:

1.What is your opinion of Barbara Marciniak's books?
2.What is the moon?

Regards,

[Edward Alexander]

Clearly "the Gods" could be ET, that is how I interpreted that quote(possibly wrongly but it still holds validity IMHO). IE: The Elohim. One perspective I have of ETs is they are hands of God, if there even is a God. But of course not "God", 'the source', is not an ET in our universe IMO, at least not some normal physical ET out there. lol. I guess you could theorize that God is all of us, we are all fragments of God experiencing the multiverse. My theory as a teen was this: What would you do if you were God? Me? Well I'm not totally sure as I'm not omnipotent or anywhere near that, but I might create a bunch of variants of me's, or fragment myself into a bunch of fragments of me's, deleted my soulular and conscious memory, and uncover once again the most diverse, amazing, profound, and beautiful creation of a universe I could possibly create over a relative eternity. Experiencing it as if it was brand new :) I haven't ditched that theory. Although I have others now... In this theory, ETs could be God. But of course we may be speaking semantics here. I'm pretty sure your concepts are not near my own there, and you are speaking of a God external to the universe/multiverse. I guess that leads me to this question Mr Alexander. What is god in your view? I apologize if someone asked this question. I would prefer something complex in an anwer. No need to crit me with a wall of text, but just more complex than "the source" if you will. Thank you.

Well now that you clarified it a bit I see your point, and to some degree agree. People may have worshipped ET's as "gods", not because they were or are gods in any way more than anyone else, but simply because that's how those ancient people perceived them, and perhaps also the way those ET's made themselves to be perceived. But ETs, are just other beings as ourselves, they too creations of God as anything else in existence. Earth was not created by ET, nor Humans, though ET's have had influence on Earth and Mankind in the ancient past but more in the same way a contact between a modern culture would be with some previously uncontacted primitive tribe living on their own in the depths of a jungle. Then again, Mankind itself is alien to this planet, having come from elsewhere in the distant past. People did not originate on Eearth, they have been spread out through the universe and settled down in many worlds. Before Earth, Mankind lived on Mars - where some still do live - but relocated to Earth after great disasters and catastrophes ruining Mars and making it a very uninhabitable place. The Old Traditions of Mysticism and Magic came along with those travelers , and here they continued in the same manners as before and based themselves upon that which they were already familiar with. There are still ruins on the surface of Mars aligned with same astrological properties as structures built here on Earth, leaving behind an ancient clue to our origins.

As far as what God is to me, I will give you a description of my observations:

In the beginning existed only the one Mind, the first Cause of all other existence - it created within itself the first energies of what we can call this "other existence", including other Creators with abilities to Manifest and design Dimensions and Life spawned from their own Minds. These Creators also brought forth other various sub-creators, whom in their turn also took part of Creation and various Levels of Existence.

This divided down all the way to this Physical Existence. Thus, there are many "Gods", of different ranks, and many of these have been worshipped by different people and cultures both here on Earth and elsewhere in the Universe. Because different Creators with different polarities and functions were set out different types of Energies manifested within different types of Creations, and the One was split up into different fragments, such as "negative" and "positive", thus "Good" and "Evil", and since Creation has gone through countless levels of manifestations of different Life, this has also brought forth Beings whom are of different nature than other Beings, because of having different origins of the first polarities.

This has lead to some Beings being termed here as the Good Ones, and some of these as the Evil Ones - this goes on at many levels, between the Gods themselves, and all the way down here between People. Some believe themselves to be the True God because of having forgotten, or not truly realized, their true origins - same as with People in the physical World - forgotten themselves and believing they are something they are not, and in addition often being fooled by some of these other Beings into believing certain things regarding Reality that not necessarily is true, seen from a broader more complete perspective.

In essence, all Life is One, simply due to Everything existing within the One Mind, the First Cause, and all and everything is connected to eachother, and all life have potential equal to that of their creators, meaning that even Man himself can become Creators - or what is called Gods, and manifest their own Worlds and Realities. It is a complex topic, and it is a lot of confusion between Mankind and other Beings on this, having caused many problems for many Lifeforms.

But GOD, is that Source from which everything else came into existence, and it all exist within the Mind of God, nothing is external of God, or outside God, since God is the first and only cause of everything, a form that envelopes anything spawned from it, and it will never be possible for anyone or anything to venture out beyond God, or observe God from an outside perspective, since there is no outside, everything there is God in endless and eternal form.



Anyway, this is not new age at all IMHO. Just like saying ETs in the past may have been interpreted as angels(and/or THE gods). Not saying there are not forms of consciousness that have transcended physical incarnations, and are purely energies in various forms that may be better summed up by the term angel. Just that I could see earth humans 1,500 years ago misdiagnosing, if you could call it that, ET beings as angels. Especially possibly interpreted as a being without a body, or an interdimensional being, due to telepathic contact not really revealing a body of the ET unless it's zaps an image into the imagination of what they look like(which they are totally capable of). Anyway I'll stop rambling.... lol. This turned from a simplistic post to a complex one.. Not a bad thing I suppose...

Your thoughts on any of this Mr Alexander?

Yes, I addressed that above in my other reply, and I agree with it when I see it from a fuller perspective of what you meant.



We are here trapped in physical bodies, and not here to learn or develop ourselves.
So you are saying we are fully developed? O.o Can you please tell me how you know this is truth as to preach it as truth? As a wise person (forget who) posted (but I will twist it[not the standard NLP of twist] in my own words possibly, i dont remember it all), everyone "knows" things, but how many really know, in other words have it proven to them, really proven to them. I am a firm believer in ONE diverse and complex universal set of truths. Of course that does not consider the grey areas of subjectivity. Obviously too many people on this planet know things, that really don't. I'm not saying this surely summarizes you Mr. Alexander. But I don't find saying we are not here to learn(at least partially) a wise, and beneficial thing to push on people... If they believe that, they might actually stop trying to learn. And that is an act of subversion in terms of the little war we have going on here on earth you say you are partaking in, the game and mindwar of planetary systems and the age old battle of ethical VS sociopath(I think those may be better than good VS evil). That is a tiny red flag for MK(preaching philosophy that acts as a subversion of the ethical side AKA the truth and the search for the truth, and learning). MK signs is a theme of this post of mine as it is one area I can offer something others may not be quite as privy to based on personal experiences(In no way am I exalting myself better at discerning reality or some sort of master to be clear in reflecting on the posts in this thread in terms of authoritative figures), however I will say I'm not clueless about the MK aspect of our society...

Saying we are not here to learn suggests we are the apex of development for soul. I don't resonate with that. I politely disagree. However I am open to you explaining how you think you know this with enough confidence to say it as fact... And do not hold an ego bias blindly to serve as stagnating my ability to see where I may be wrong when decisively shown such.
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If we, in the form of our Higher Soul, can be called "fully developed" is unlikely. Even when experiencing oneself from the perspective of ones Higher Soul one will realize there is still a lot to learn, endless more experiences to have, and so many discoveries to make on the continual search and progress of self-development. I know this because of experience, having observed how it is, seen it all from that perspective. I don't theorize by things, and I dont get myself involved in beliefs, for me the only truth is that which is verified and observed from personal direct experience. And that's how it should be for everyone, dont blindly believe what someone else tells you, go find the truth yourself, and verify if it is real or not.

Regarding the process of learning, we have been forced into a break in our learning process by being stuck in physical bodies here, we are ready to continue or studies and learning experiences as our true Higher Souls once we understand and succeed in breaking free from the hindrance keeping us away from our true learning experiences and exploration work. So, I am NOT saying there is nothing to learn, or that indeed one of our main missions is to explore, learn, understand and develop ourselves - in contrast, this is what I'm saying we should be doing, and there's a lot of amazing new discoveries, experiences and insights to obtain. I've never asked people to stop learning or developing, to the contrary i highly encourage people to do more studies and practices so they can learn and understand more, gain experiences giving them new great insights, and a true path for development, understanding and learning.

Your perception of "MK signs" in anything I write is simply just not there at all. I'm absolutely not trying to put my will upon people for any personal agenda, to the contrary again, I educate and inform people about Mind Control, Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and the different methods such things are carried out through, in fact i wrote a detailed article about it and posted in this forum earlier, called External Influences, that lists a large amount of methods, techniques and ways that Mind Control, Thought-shaping, Brainwashing and other negative external influences that people are victims to and affected by. You can read what I've written on that topic in its own thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26979-External-Influences-on-your-Mind-Body-an-introduction

Perhaps this more in-depth explanation of my perspective makes it a bit clearer what I mean and where I stand?




Is it true you think you were king tut? I am not saying this as a disrespect, but claiming you are a former famous person in history, especially a pharaoh, Jesus, , and people of that caliber, is a clear sign of possible MK influence. And I do know that with 100% verification. By chance were you involved in the times of Jesus too in your past life memories? Please answer that. They tried to make me think I was a pharaoh(multiple actually)... Jesus too(MK perps). I do recognize that some people actually were these people(if they existed). However if they were wise, they would keep it to themselves. I try to keep it to myself who I think its possible I may have been here if I was on this planet in past lifetimes from learning that it is tool of subversion of my testimony to a large group of people(I have stated I felt I was ET in the past based on signs on Avalon, however I don't find the people here handicapped at discerning possible deeper truths and I do not present it as fact. If you are that high caliber you can establish that name for yourself as reinvented, with no need for past life affiliations. It serves no good to mention it really in terms of glorious or spiritual leaders etc in the past, unless you want sycophants, and only discredits your material to a great many if it's someone of high caliber you are claiming to be. And that is the exact reason the MK perpetrators(mind control) use that tactic. However it is a sign in some cases one does have information of value when they try that tactic. Either that, or other things IMO like just all out smearing a certain type of information for (one purpose) predictive programming purposes. Discrediting legitimate claims by affiliation would be an agenda using that tactic.

Yes if I claim something, it is because I'm serious about it and know that what I'm speaking of is the truth. But honestly, it is not very special to having been someone famous in some time of History for anyone. There's the effect of Soul Fragments, that continually splits into more new Soul Fragments, meaning that new "individuals" have the same fairly recent origin as these Soul Fragments, as we all are, only experience a limited part of themselves and believe that limited part to be their "whole self". In fact, this process makes it possible for a Soul to have a form of learning process by having several different lives and experiences unfolding simultaneously, in its attempt at freeing itself and raising the awareness in its different Soul Fragments. What this means in practical terms is that a group of several people are directly connected with each other as they've spawned from the same source earlier in history, meaning they all have been the same person in a previous life. So if each of these people carry out past-live regressions, they will all individually experience themselves as one certain person in the past, and thus they will all be claiming to have been that person - which indeed they were - usually without understanding this process and instead ending up arguing about who "really" was that person in a previous incarnation and who are the "hoaxers". Of course, there's plenty of actual hoaxes as well around, lots of deceit and lies, but the vast amount of people today originate from a much fewer earlier population and thus a large amount of different people have been various same people in previous lives before they split into more soul fragments. This also takes place on interdimensional levels, meaning we may have soul fragments existing in completely different alternate universes, other dimensions, and not only here on this specific planet in this specific period of time.

And yes, I was also active in the time of Jesus, not as Jesus himself though but someone working together with him, as my work goes through many lifetimes and is a long process that still will take more generations to come, something I knew when I took it upon me, and I'm also working with several other people that started the mission together with me , and we usually get in touch with each other again from life-time to life-time and continue our work. There is absolutely no mind control involved here, I'm extremely familiar with all the techniques used for such, as i described in my previous response where I linked to a thread I made some time ago specifically on that topic. I have first hand experience from personal involvement with several of those methods, techniques and ways of influence from various sources. I am trying to make people more aware on how large-scaled such influence actually is and how basically everyone are affected to it by some degree through different means. Now the only reason I have mentioned a couple of these past lives has been because it relates to my work, and how it has been going on for long time, and also how I can know the things I claim, I could care less if people find me credible or not as its their own responsibility to find out the truth, i can't give it to them, i can only show them possible ways for them to find it on their own through their own efforts.

You must understand that no one have tried to make me think I am something, there's no one whom have told me any of this, I know that what I claim is true from direct personal experience having observed and lived it and seen it directly from that perspective itself. Nor am I trying to make people believe anything, I'm recommending all people to be more active, do their own work, and find out their truth from own practice and experience.

There has been attempts against me of such influence, Mind Control, but it is not something they are able to succeed with since I have a fairly solid background with direct experience and understanding of virtually all the different techniques of performing such acts against someone, and I know how to keep myself protected from it. And I do also come from the same background as many of those involved with such activities, where such things are taught and informed about and various practices and training is done to understand it properly from direct involvement. I encourage everyone to read through my other thread I posted above, about External Influences, that covers the different aspects of such activities.



Also, while I'm on the subject of MK, claims of pleiadian contact, is also a sign of MK activity. However nowhere near as solid as claiming to be a pharaoh in past lives. Neither is conclusive and either could essentially be true. However both are clear signs of MK that I have experiences relating to both in dealing with the MK perps. Both just up that roll of the dice by a certain %(I am not privy to that percent in an in the know' fashion, so I will not hazard a guess).

What I just explained above regarding MK goes for this as well. Also, I am not a "contactee", have never claimed that. Nor do I channel, as I know the dangers of doing so and all the deceit, lies and influences put on people who practices such. There is a vast amount of manipulation against people in the new-age scene and alternative movement, with lots of abuse of people where they are lead to believe they are in contact with all kinds of Higher Beings and Divine Entities etc. Not only is the manipulation present in this specific area of the New-age/alternative community, but throughout all of it and is a major part of its totality. Lots of disinformation, misleading, deceit, lies, mind control, and so on to confuse, blind and get people of their path. It is very effective too, since there's a lot of very gullible people in that community that easily swallows down anything they are told as being the truth. That is another thing people active in this community should be more aware of, and have in consideration, skepticism is always a good thing.



Reason they would do fake ET contact (and i know they are capable of such) is because contactees are automatically given a position of authority over reality to some onlookers. Avalon got a lot better at that with charles... That is a vector(a position of authority in delivering reality) that is desirable for MK perpetrators and the dubious PTB... I realize I'm an MK victim. I'll be the first to tell you, look out for curveballs in my posts at times, I'm on your side and have no ego clash if any of my words are ever exposed as loaded, as they really aren't MY words at all... However I catch them at a relativly high rate of frequency when they do such as far as I'm aware, and expose them without regard to stepping on my own credibility(although I do not like it). I do concede conveniently or not, that an overt MK victim is nowhere near as efficient as a covert MK victim in such things, if they are willing to reneg on their past claims they catch with subversion. I recon a decent amount of people don't have the integrity to do that(not the caliber on Avalon, just the average).... Or warn people of their own texts. I'm morally obligated to...

Personally I have nothing to do with the "contactee" community or ufology & aliens etc at all. The little I've spoken about such actually has been debunking such experiences and given some explanations on what such experiences really are (speaking of alien contact and abductions etc). I wrote a brief summary on my discoveries on that on my website some years ago, its here: http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2008/11/truth-about-alien-contact-and.html

As a note: I don't make it clear in the article, and I come of as claiming absolutely all cases of claimed alien contact has to do with one of the causes I list up there, which is not completely accurate. To the contrary I know for a fact that there has been alien contact and influence on Earth and Mankind in ancient times, and I'm not saying aliens do not exist or anything like that. But generally, aliens do not fly around and do the things claimed by people believing to have been in contact or abducted by aliens - this is a form of fear mongering created and put into society by the Elite, and popularized to deceive people and create a specific idea and belief in people about aliens while keeping them distracted away from the real truth behind it, and the agendas they have planned in relation to this.

If anyone claims to be in contact with aliens, it is almost guaranteed not the case but some other activity going on. The same goes for people channeling, claiming to communicate with aliens, which on its own is fairly ludicrous concept considering what they actually claim by that is that they have obtained some telepathic connection with some other physical being somewhere else in the universe, and they are sitting there in each their part of the universe communicating with each other without any notion of how improbable and illogical it is to end up in such a contact with someone in a completely different part of the universe and in addition being able to maintain such a connection over long periods of time and usually direct "access" whenever trying, as if the other being is only sitting on its own out there somewhere waiting impatiently for the next "call" to continue conversing. One should then consider what sources of telepathic contact possibilities are closer, and in larger amounts, more density, than some random being out somewhere else in the vast universe - some closer sources, that are more likely to end up in contact with, includes various astral entities that virtually co-exist with us right here and are all over the world in great numbers, this includes entities that are termed ghosts, astral vampires, demons, etc. In general a large amount of mainly negatively oriented entities that are waiting for their chance to connect with someone to deceive them, abuse them, lure them into doing things, and otherwise manipulate and lie to the "contactee". People need to get less gullible and start questioning more and investigating deeper before they just conclude what the experience is about, and what different possibilities exists, the same going for those blindly taking anything a "channeler" says as the truth, people should be more cautious and skeptical and not so quick to jump on to beliefs and consider it the truth without any real understanding or experience of the case at all, no forms of verifications or even indications that it is the way they are told. People truly should try get more active, more exploring, find the truth on their own from their own direct personal experiences, which really is the only useful thing to do to gain any actual insight and knowledge and progress of development.



Anyway, forgive me for making the assumption based on your pleiadian site name, that you are an alleged contactee. Although I do believe you said you interacted with ascended masters? All the ascended masters(in their claims) I have spoken to I strongly believe were impersonations. None of the contacts I gauge of mine that have potential to be legit ETs, posed ANY SORT of label upon themselves that put themselves as higher than me or in a position of authority over me. They left that distinction up to me and said they do not want me to revere them so much it disjoints the relationship by exalting them as my superior and deluted the interactions, kind of like how celebrities like to be seen(well the non ego driven ones) just as equals and do not want to be exalted and have all the mechanics that go along with that, they are not desirable to most who are spiritually developed I tend to think, at the very most after a little while in cases where one has starving self esteem possibly. They always addressed me as an equal as a being, however I had no delusions about equality of knowledge, but they will be the first ones to tell you to never turn off your discernment and guard/critical analysis type thought in my experiences even when they speak to you, and I dont think they learned that one from buddha like I did. lol. There is no need for one to be exalted above another just because knowledge is higher. Even when I was impersonated GOD(, I spoke to him as an equal in terms of one consciousness speaking to another one consciousness, all physical or standard beings I interact with are ONE consciousness as far as I'm aware, so we are ALL equals on that level, no matter how we differ in power or knowledge. I'm wary of any source claiming to be an "ascended master", especially ones claiming that title grants them a position of authority over me.

Yes, the whole Pleiadian part has to do with a previous life to do, not any current ongoing contact with any alien race of any kind. But I've written about that as well before and it should be on my website or other threads somewhere. When it comes to interaction with Ascended Masters, yes that's something I've got experience with. But I do my proper background research and verification processes when dealing with such, and do not just take anything I'm told as true, since I'm aware of the tremendous amounts of trickery, deceit, manipulation etc taking place, as I've mentioned many times. Now I dont know what kind of way you were in contact with such entites you mention, if it was through channeling I explained some of the dangers with that above, if it was a direct contact face to face in the astral planes, it is usually easier to uncover the truth since we have highly sensitive intuition and ability to feel energies and mindset of those whom we meet there, and one can do different tests to check if the entity is what it claims such as analyse their energetic makeup and see if they radiate negative or positive sensations, if they fill you up with love and peace when in close distance to them or if its some colder more sinister type of energy, and generally analyse everything they say to see if there's any signs of trying to manipulate you in any way, ask your Inner Guide and Intuition to filter lies from truth so you see what is for what it really is, ask for some verification on who they claim to be and observe and analyse anything you're given as such verification, ask them how they found you, why they contacted you, where they normally reside and what they do there, and so on. Be skeptical and aware and keep your mind clear, rational and logical.

As for my own experiences, there never was any pushed authority or idea of the ascended master to be more worthy or better or in any other way "above" me. The contact was purely about working together on positive matters to benefit and help other people, absolutely no ideologies, viewpoints, ideas or personal meanings were discussed, nothing was asked of me to do or believe. It was all completely practical training on good systems of healing and I obtained some very practical and useful insights on that which have proven itself as very good in practice yielding good results and there's only positive and loving energies involved that have been completely and purely beneficial for myself and anyone else involved.

One thing that is important to understand though is that such entities are not all-knowing omnipotent masters that have a complete clear and correct understanding of everything there is. They are not very much different from us, nor do they try to appear that way. They're practically just people that have moved up from the physical level of existence to a more free spiritual form of existence where they have a bit more resources than us. They may be as ignorant to higher levels of existence as any other person may be, and if true they will not claim to know the answers to anything you wonder about, but more often than not encourage you to seek things out on your own, and gain the answer from own experience.

Personally I do not communicate much with other entities at all, I mainly explore on my own and find my discoveries and answers through practice and different experiences and altered states of mind, letting myself perceive from higher aspects of myself, and follow my intuition as my guide around. I gain a lot of knowledge and understanding directly from myself by exploring different perspectives of my own being and as my Higher Soul. We all got great depths of wisdom and knowledge already within us, along with the answers to most questions, we just have to get in better touch with our true being.

If communicating with someone claiming to be God, it will always be a lie and deceit and someone else. God does not step into his own creation to have random chats with people, God is not some entity that interferes or in any way exist as an individual form inside its own creation and designed existence. God is logically always connected with everything and have no need to interfere or reason to do so, God is the Mind that is experiencing Everything from every viewpoint, polarity, event, time period, location in space and anywhere else in any level of existence, God is the All and everything exist within God and is part of God and can never be something external of God. You can however connect with the God-Consciousness, and see and experience from that perspective, but that has nothing to do with communication but with own altered perception and state of mind.


I am here to let people know about this Trap System , and help them get free from it and escape the cycles of reincarnations.

So you are saying reincarnations are a universal design flaw?... I'm not sure reincarnation is escaped by methods as much as it may be ascended due to development. I find that more resonating. Can you debate these claims? I would surely listen. I apologize for having this angle of skepticism if it is uncomfortable for you.... I do respect you. Nobody wants to be called a possible MK victim. That is not an attack by me to you. And I do concede you may be more right than me in discerning reality in some areas, that is possible. You wont find attacks from me. However you will find polite debate and humble bringing up of the red flags I have found....[/QUOTE]

No, far from a flaw, it is completely on purpose and designed exactly for the opposite reason of what is generally believed and misinformed about in different religious systems. It is usually seen as a positive thing, part of some illogical development system, that supposedly is for your own good and will help you ascend and enter higher levels of existence etc. That is all just nonsense, it is a real construct, but its purpose is to maintain people in physical bodies, keep them from moving away and develop in any way, to make sure they will not reach any understanding or self-realization but rather stay here ignorant and trapped over and over to function as slaves of the negative entity that created the physical body and designed it in ways that makes it easy to control and manipulate and have the Soul trapped within. I have explained this all i fairly great depths and details in my thread on the Trap System here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1428450/pg1

It can also be useful to read my discoveries on the truth of the Chakras and Third Eye and how that is designed for use to manipulate and control:
http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2011/05/ineal-gland-third-eye-secrets.html

And since its directly related, the story of Eva and Adam and what it really represented:
http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2011/08/adam-eve-real-story-of-what-it-was-all.html

One example that on its own clearly reveals that the physical bodies have been designed to keep us easily controlled and manipulated:

Hypnosis - Why would a phenomena like this exist at all in human beings, for what purpose, and how did it get part of our physiological makeup? There's absolutely no logical sense to it, unless seen from the correct perspective. Hypnosis was discovered by accident, it is something hidden that we normally do not notice to be in us in our daily lives, and that is because it is supposed to be hidden. Hypnosis is a very powerful tool to gain control over people, change their though-patterns, manipulate and deceive them, get them extremely open for commands and suggestions, and a clear indication on a function put in place for these very purposes, and something most of us can see is being used by people in power, the negative ones, the Elite, and so on to abuse, manipulate, deceive and create false beliefs and ideas in people, program them and make them act in the ways they want them to.

Now i got a fairly good background and experience with that field myself, as I'm a hypnotherapist and have done intensive and detailed studies on this topic and all its related areas and methods of use, including in-depth studies of psychology, the mental aspects of humans, the structure and function of the physical brain, how the Mind responds to different stimuli and what affects it in which ways, and its designed in so many ways to be easily manipulated and influenced by several different external techniques, methods and practices.

Hypnosis is a very direct method, but hypnotic trances and other altered states of mind can also be induced easily through specific sound waves, in certain frequencies, something also used to put a persons mind into a dull and easily programmable state, the same goes for flicker-effects from light sources, specially TV's, Monitors, and such, which also are based on frequency-technology though in this form it is the visual aspect that can be used to get a people into the same state of mind for easy programming, further on, the mind is easily put into an altered state through technology such as wave-based forms such as radio-waves and other invisible waveforms , again this too is frequency based. In other words, humans are per design created to be as open as possible in so many different ways to truly maximize the effects of influence and create a high success rate for achieving such maniupaltion. There is only one real logical conclusion that makes perfect sense to why it is that, and that is because human bodies were designed to be controlled and make sure the Souls trapped in them will stay stuck ignorant, manipulated around, easily controlled, and completely in power of those running the show.

[Lisab]

I havnt got time to read Edwards last here as off to work I just want to say I don't care if he's a grand master or not I'm not looking for a guru, I find his threads interesting. I enjoy the occult. I'm dismayed at some of the posts here it's just not like Avalon. Some of it's been downright piss taking. Not even banter.

Come on guys he's not another Charles. No threats etc lest we forget. I've been having excellent results with EA,s meditation. It's also a manifestation tool as well a relaxing one. It's really good and I've used alot in the past. I'll let you know the results I've had later tonight In the mean time guys give him a break.

Have a good day/eve everyone. Love Lisa x

[christian]

Be exceedingly careful here.

Modeling for a suitable guru shape... then testing it among the less gullible of humans is a real goal, and this forum is an excellent place to practice until perfect.

Our response is coherent enough to test models, which is why the act of intrusion into the forum is a norm, a given, an expectation...not an exception. see the reality of such, or to not have the experience yet, in order to understand that.


Hear, hear!

It's very logical, that in times of war you want to know your enemy, so of course this forum is thoroughly analyzed and there might well be some infiltrators, but it's hard for them, because there are pretty aware and discerning folks in here, anyways I don't think Edward is about to become a false guru.

Honestly no disrespect here: From the video of Edward that I saw, there is no way he has the charisma of being a kind of guru, that would appeal to people on a large scale. I honestly appreciate his contribution anyways.

[Decibellistics]

The truth is you don't need a guru.

Flat out.

All you need is the ability to listen to every person with an open heart and mind without giving up your personal freedom and at the same time having the intellect to know when they are full of ****.

I think the word babble is a fine basis to consider people's information too. If it seems like babble.....then it is probably that.....babble.

[Tenzin]

I havnt got time to read Edwards last here as off to work I just want to say I don't care if he's a grand master or not I'm not looking for a guru, I find his threads interesting. I enjoy the occult. I'm dismayed at some of the posts here it's just not like Avalon. Some of it's been downright piss taking. Not even banter.

Come on guys he's not another Charles. No threats etc lest we forget. I've been having excellent results with EA,s meditation. It's also a manifestation tool as well a relaxing one. It's really good and I've used alot in the past. I'll let you know the results I've had later tonight In the mean time guys give him a break.

Have a good day/eve everyone. Love Lisa x

I tried the basic protective meditation just a few minutes before sleep and had very quick positive effect from it. I immediately felt chills running through my body as I visualize the light moving vertically. It was then a dreamless sleep. Maybe it could have been built on the meditation work I have already been doing, but... no more morning sinus I had for months! I am previously aware there are malevolent astral beings around us but do not have a clue what they can actually do to us and that there could be so many now. Vampires on the loose indeed! One day soon, I am going to actually see them for myself.

Didn't know visualization meditation can be that powerful. But if one is a true spiritual skeptic, the meditation will probably be screwed.

If one still can't look pass the 'Occult' facet, I think researching the history of it all is called for... I believe the roman church messed it all up back since 300AD to give it a bad name.

Anyway, how far I can go with Edward's material I don't know yet. I am still exercising something called: active experiential investigation. Hope more can join in the exploration.

[<8>]

Hi Edward....

http://cdn.newstalkcleveland.com/files/2010/02/ft_hdr_12.jpg

How many times have you reincarnated that you are aware of since the time of king tut ??
Tutankhamun lived over 3,300 years ago. So lets say 100 years a: life = 3300/100= 33 Lifes. (If it works this way ofc)

What we understand they spend there whole life preparing for death at that time in Egypt..... So why did you not get away.??..Why are you still here.??..Why do think you gonna make it this time.??

If i got the picture of you and the trap system all wrong, please forgive my honest mistake. Or if you feel my questions are less worthy please let me know.

If so ill stop asking and walk away..

All my love to you Edward..

[Omni]

Thanks for the most part(IMHO) an excellent post. However I will cover what I disagree with or find not quite right, and why. I have extensive experiences with situations like this too... Well, not quite the same. No assurances of many of my experiences being true because illusions are so potent at times. And I'm fully aware of that now...


If we, in the form of our Higher Soul, can be called "fully developed" is unlikely. Even when experiencing oneself from the perspective of ones Higher Soul one will realize there is still a lot to learn, endless more experiences to have, and so many discoveries to make on the continual search and progress of self-development.

You said we didn't come here to learn though. So this kind of contradicts. I think your summary of why we are here, is one of your more shortsighted areas. WHY we came here, I think is much more complex and multidimensional than you present, much more than any one or two sentences can describe in depth IMHO. Learning I think is part of being not god(if a single god exists, why not multiple, why not the source of it all amany levels above say, multiverses). Just MHO.


I know this because of experience, having observed how it is, seen it all from that perspective. I don't theorize by things, and I dont get myself involved in beliefs, for me the only truth is that which is verified and observed from personal direct experience. And that's how it should be for everyone, dont blindly believe what someone else tells you, go find the truth yourself, and verify if it is real or not.

This is not possible for almost everyone in a large way IMHO. I acknowledge the small possibility that you have been given experiences to verify your beliefs conclusively(emphasis on conclusive). However, I've witnessed technology that is capable of producing impeccable illusions in all you describe. Every single thing. And I find it more probable that you are an MK victim before I would see you actually having proven everything you say is true(I acknowledge both as possible). Like ETs not really being here and contacting people. How on earth as a non-omnipotent human could you possibly know that for sure? You say you have not even spoken to an ET. And safe to say you've never seen one face to face in person. Perhaps you were given a conscious imprint of it you interpret as psychic, but every single one of those is possible with black project technology, and certainly ET technology. You don't seem to be aware of the level of capability of illusionists I have come to know. You seem to think you are impervious to them no matter what. To me that is a sign you are under their influence given your circumstances. But I'm not saying such is true. Just that I have truly seen how open source the mind is(how mine is anyway, and I have a hard time believing you are somehow as a human just like me, not applicable to the same brain stimulations and (possibly)4+d tech and capabilities I am). You could say your soul or w/e safeguards you and I could not prove you wrong, but again, I personally, at the levels of illusions I have been shown, see that as impossible to really know. You seem to think you are smarter and more capable than any dark force on the planet just by yourself. I find this again, a sign you are under their influence. Not conclusive of course. But given my own experiences unless you are somehow super-human-god-like to ridiculous levels, you are not impervious to apex illusionists on your current low level in the universe(Just MHO that we as humans in our current forms are lower level incarnations and capability holders compared to the apex of existence in the universe/multiverse/omniverse). And you are not impervious to control in almost all probabilities unless you have foregone any use or need of your brain. For example to move your body you need a brain function to do that.... Brain functions are a physicality. I fail to see any way you could stop them from controlling your body as they have mine. The coding to decide to move is open source....

DEWs(directed energy weapons), and implants and probably more(electromagnetics etc) can create any pain a human body is capable of experiencing. They have done this to me well over a thousand times. Also good stuff too, also like 500-2000 times. (rough estimations that may change any given moment, also due to control of my mechanics of estimations etc which are all open source).


Your perception of "MK signs" in anything I write is simply just not there at all.

This is what any covert MK target would say... Not saying it's conclusive. But you have shown me signs in significant fashion in many circumstances. I remain open minded, but I have been proven what you say is false in areas, at least for me. Its possible you are less open source than me. But I doubt that honestly. The only thing I project possible to stop the technology of the dark forces here, is guardians who hold more power than the apex technology in the universe. Because I don't have confidence anyone in a human vessel has the power to stop the apex technology in the universe. We are highly open source.... If you can't stop a bullet from hitting you, a lazer from cutting you, fire from burning you, a knife from cutting you, something from surprising you, if you can't do things like put a fork in the microwave and stop it from causing a reaction, I suggest you cannot stop pulsed/shaped/focused etc electromagnetic influences on your body and person either. Or things like controlling of your body. Or torture through synthesizing pain signals. Or emotional frequencies being put into your mind. If you cannot distinctly control your chakras in extremely ridiculous ways, and not only that, stop them from being controlled in apex technology in the universe, I don't see how you would be impervious to alterations of your chakras in real time(aka focused and held there, not just implanted or something installed in them doing automated or energy leeching etc). Sure, some can change chakras, but that is like saying you can change how water flows from a sink, but with control its more like a fire hose...

I have experienced all of those things in depth. And like you say, the human instrument(as I put it) is extremely open source. It is far more open source than it is not. They have literally deleted any smidgeon of an understanding of who I was, what I have done, seriously every memory I've ever had restricted, every subconscious packet of data open sourcely stopping it from affecting my consciousness, any emanations of energy from my soul to identify, all conscious energy of mine, ALL GONE(of course only momentarily). I fail to have confidence you could stop this as if you were some sort of God.

The ETs were called Gods IMO ,yes one aspect because they wanted to be. However if we showed up to cavemen and showed them anti-grav ships, mind control, directed energy weapons, physics alterations, chakra work, controlled things like hunger, impulses, orgasms, enhancing or diminishing of food, what you think tastes good or bad(and either switched vice versa fully from your normal tastes) and so on, I hazard to guess they would reject any label that puts us as an equal to them no matter what you did minus mind controlling them to see it permanently. So in my view the biggest reason ETs were called the Gods is because they are able to control the environment and every level of every sense and conscious aspect we have(with very little exception), to levels of what some people perceive to be what God does(controls reality and the happenings of things - i do not think God does that, although its possible to me)....

Anyway, that is my perspective on that part of your post.... And I have thoroughly experienced all of those. And saying you should only believe what you experience is flawed because over 99% of the planet will never experience anywhere near what I have, or what you report to. It is not offered or available to them. Of course I agree with the statement do not believe things just because someone says it. But it is not either or at all. I do see a lot of truths in your words. However I do see falsities too. Now those falsities may be based on differing factors of our situations, and both could be true in ways. But that is not the highest probability IMHO given the massive amounts of illusions I have witnessed, and the IMMENSE capability behind them and the clear signs and correlations of similarities and also capabilities done to me, and done to you. The way you describe them, it's as if only the naive are susceptible. That is an absolute fallacy. That is a universal fallacy. And that has been proven to me. However some of them, a good portion, only the naive and inexperienced/untrained cannot beat.


Yes if I claim something, it is because I'm serious about it and know that what I'm speaking of is the truth.

Will all due respect, I do not think that is possible given all you have spoken. You obviously have not been shown the full capabilities of illusions. Were you there witnessing the beginning of all creation? And I don't mean cognitions in this lifetime.... Those are liable as possible illusions. For example God. How could you know what God experiences if you have not been god? And of course it is very possible to be given a microcosmic experience that is a star inside a star of what he experiences to put it in form(the same thing but on your own level). I do find your explanation of God as one of the best I've heard. So props there where it's due(from me anyway). However given the levels of illusions I have seen, it's impossible to know what God is because you were proven such IMHO. At least not someone trapped here given what I've witnessed them able to do.

That experience is all replicatable with inter-dimensional and/or black project technology, as well as ET tech. They are capable of dream state virtual reality technology(DSVR which I coined) that can fabricate any astral experience, any OBE, any NDE, any experience with God, any paranormal experience, anything you can imagine. It's possible to be an illusion, because technology in it's apex forms are fully capable of synthesizing any aspect of it in absolute perfection. I realize people will not like to hear that. I would not ditch your personal experiences and view them as invalid. However being aware that it's possible, beyond the initial uncomfortable aspect of acknowledging we as humans are nowhere near the highest form in the universe, one gains from that because it helps us discern possibilities more clear. It takes a special mind to take that claim without an NLP knee jerk reactionary reflex based on a strong desire for that not to be true, and also a strong red flag when hearing it as well. However it's all true. And I've lived hells in them, as well as heavens.

On a planetary situation as dysfunctional as ours, I agree in a way that we are trapped here. However as inter-dimensional beings, as we all are(just ones with bodies) with natural potential, and technological potential, we can experience pretty much anything with it being that open source once we as a species graduate to levels relating to the term "the Golden Age". And a "Golden Age" would simply not be an age where this is a place we see as entrapment IMHO. It turns a trapped hell in ways(our planet a lot of the time), into a very liberated heaven once we ascend from dark powers in our ranks manipulating us. Of course these are all my views. Some I state as fact(as in not saying IMHO) that I mean to say along with IMHO without my manipulation, that are not proven to me. When I say something is proven to me, most of the time it has been in the past, and I have graduated from being very susceptible to extremely large illusions and stick to mostly what I know for sure. However that is not infallible either(and nor is it for you IMHO). However everything I have said so far in this post as proven to me, HAS been proven to me(they do not allow me to discern it when I have said it was proven on the levels I have been able to discern this post in saying that with confidence). When they have mind controlled me to say things have been proven to me in the past(which were false possibly), which are extremely few and far between and i'm not sure Ive ever said anything under that category since I've joined avalon, only one I could remember is ETs before I came to this forum. And they did things like alter what my eyes send my brain to make me see a greys big eyes 4 feet in front of me flicking my lighter in the dark woods to see, which I later, with relatively decent accuracy, found it was an illusion after in depth altering of what my eyes see to exemplify this to me, other stuff too, such as extremely beautifully shaped exotic UFO that was shown to me in broad daylight very close up(which I do not think was altering what my eyes send my brain given the absolute detail of the clouds running under the bottom of it, the greys eyes were simply a form of light, that is not a complete sky picture and a UFO hovering under the clouds with clouds gently whiffing underneath it...., mind controlling me to round up with my logic in thinking it's not very possible at all that humans have the technology to do the things that have been technologically done to me, etc much more. It was all an extremely complex illusion that I said was proven to me when it was not. That now conveniently implanted a doubt to anything i say is proven to me now when I am summarizing my situation ethically. Ethics have limits. That is one thing charles was wise with. Having ethics is predictable and it can be manipulated far easier than one without ethics.....


But honestly, it is not very special to having been someone famous in some time of History for anyone.

Good point. At least anyone who is spiritually developed I tend to think... However it is still is an irrefutable sign of being an MK target unless you actually think I was all these people in which the MK perps tried to make me think I was at one point or different points in time:

Jesus, Alexander the great, 2 Pharaohs(cleo and Ihmo), Einstein, Hitler(which I thought contradicted with Einstein with a more one dimensional theory on soul than you have presented in your next quote which I humbly thank you for bringing to my attention even if an untruth), Leonardo Da Vinci, and just about every other major arguable #1 influence of the times. They told me that I was "the #1 soul on the planet" and I took turns being evil and good trying out different experiences, and they fabricated with the visual to imagination technology past life memories of being these people at times(along with conceptual cognitions). Now with your version of reality, I suppose it's possible I do have fragments from all those souls. However, I reject that as credible to me. I put it far below a 3% chance personally. However I suppose it's possible given the model you have presented....


There's the effect of Soul Fragments, that continually splits into more new Soul Fragments

This is a wonderfully put together theory(that is what it is to me). Thank you for bringing it to my attention.



And yes, I was also active in the time of Jesus, not as Jesus himself though but someone working together with him

Ironically this is exactly, concept for concept, what the AI I deal with told me you would say... This does not mean it's false. However it does mean they know you. And I hazard to guess that they knew you would be coming here, as the AI put the premise into my mind of creating a thread of good secret societies just prior to you posting this thread... Which isn't as conclusive as her telling me you think you were a friend of his(Jesus).


There is absolutely no mind control involved here

No offense but this is what people who don't know what mind control is capable of in just about, if not every case say. How do you know they are not capable of mimicking your exact thoughts and energy? What is stopping them? What is so special about your exact frequency that it cannot be synthesized, they can ALL be synthesized. They can do that. They do it to me every day. Not only that, every level of discernment is open source to mind control. That may seem not right with pictures of the universe, however if you knew that mind control is also capable of making 3d+ experiences in physicalities legitimately worthy of the term heaven, you might think otherwise(and I mean my concept there, not the NLP interpretation I project as probable in getting, however I may underestimate a bit, as people will interpret it multidimensionally).


I'm extremely familiar with all the techniques used for such, as i described in my previous response where I linked to a thread I made some time ago specifically on that topic.

All of them? By chance, so am I(well, I'd say a lot, not all because how do I know its "all"). So I will review your thread when I get a chance. I remember seeing it, the AI did not let me reply or even look at it.... I did have the desire to look at it when seeing it.


I have first hand experience from personal involvement with several of those methods, techniques and ways of influence from various sources.

I have experienced every single level and dimension I can detect of my consciousness diminished, enhanced, inhibited, ... Every single layer of every mechanic in the mind altered in a multitude of ways. And your testimony that you are impervious to it does not align with what I have experienced.

There are methods they use called illusory exemplification, where they fool people their capabilities are lesser than they really are. It's all open source, every mechanic(however every mechanic is not open source from 0-100% in every circumstance). I have experienced these illusions(illusory exemplification). Basically they can make the depth of the control, to levels where you can beat it, on purpose, to fool you that you are impervious, and therefore turn off all suspicion you are having covert interaction done, and also so testimonies don't line up and the people who have not experienced the deeper version(it's a standard rule for me to trust the deeper version of mind control capabilities because of illusory exemplification - which is a term i coined) go around saying things and make conflicting testimonies obfuscate the truth. However there are other possibilities here. But I don't put you at godlike levels... Like I said, protection is what is needed to stop the apex stuff IMHO. It's possible we can stop it(always I mean) but I see ZERO signs of that.


You must understand that no one have tried to make me think I am something, there's no one whom have told me any of this

Telling you it, is only the surface of their illusions. When they have more respect for your discernment(or they cannot overtly let you catch them with MK tactics that work)showing you it, when you think it's yourself, is a more advanced method... And they have done this to me.

There tactics and manipulation goes far beyond just trying to convince you of something by telling you it. There is an immense amount of levels and layers of manipulation, as you probably know. But seem to not know the full extent.


I know that what I claim is true from direct personal experience having observed and lived it and seen it directly from that perspective itself.
You seem to have no humility in their capabilities. As if they are not advanced enough to fool you ever. That simply is not true by my experiences if I was to channel your mental matrix of assurance of how irrefutable experiences are. My mental matrix however is in a far different place. I've been shown too many illusions that I was not even susceptible to with a natural mind(and beyond that level by far), to think with anywhere near confidence that you are legitimately impervious to any level of manipulation.


There has been attempts against me of such influence, Mind Control, but it is not something they are able to succeed with since I have a fairly solid background with direct experience and understanding of virtually all the different techniques of performing such acts against someone, and I know how to keep myself protected from it.

However, you have a gaping hole here. They can control all memories you have gained in this lifetime with supreme accuracy. However your levels of assurance you are impervious would require them to up their game a bit compared to me(because they can be overt with me which opens more doors of capability), because some levels of subversion/manipulation of consciousness is detectable after the fact once you realize what you did. So they would have to be injecting the quality of texts you are posting in this thread more or less. Ones that you could not detect as manipulation with your own natural mind by maybe somewhere like 25% either way up or down, typically only down because nobody is quick to say something was too intelligent for themselves.


And I do also come from the same background as many of those involved with such activities, where such things are taught and informed about and various practices and training is done to understand it properly from direct involvement.

Do you by chance explore the apex technological capabilities in this thread? Or is it strictly astral beings etc?

For example do they use quantum teleportation of encoded light to implants as to forego any impediment of steel and layers of physical structures that some things like radio waves may not penetrate? Do you know the technological background of all or many black project capabilities and have a background there too? Because I've never met anyone with the same amount of black project tech capabilities anywhere near myself, or at least seen them explain it. You seem to think your physical aspects of what alters your consciousness, cannot be altered. However unless you can create hour long orgasms for yourself at will with no mess at all(which the tech is capable of), and many other ridiculous body control, I find that not likely(sry for a graphic example possibly). It would take more than that, too, to stop what they could do to you.


I could care less if people find me credible or not as its their own responsibility to find out the truth

There are angles of truth that if you present a large majority of onlookers will think you are full of it.... It's just how wide ranging the truth is. If you care about how much change you can implement, I'd start caring about your credibility. If your goal is to enlighten with your truth, start caring about your credibility IMHO and strategizing or at least look for ways people will turn off from your testimony due to NLP etc. I'm not talking about caring about ridicule or ostracizing, I'm talking about ways that offer little substance or worth to people, such as saying you were king tut, and a friend of Jesus, because those things are designs to kill credibility in many cases. Saying you were king tut to onlookers will detract from your testimony far more than it would if you simply said something like "I have had many past lives in esoterically rich surroundings". Caring about how credible you look to onlookers means you reach more people. However I'm not saying just do it, just a suggestion. I didn't read on your site how you described being king tut. At the very least soften it with this is not uncommon, and explain your mind expanding fragments of souls mixed with newer fragments etc. That way you have less outs for people who could gain from your testimony(if legitimate), in thinking you may be, or are suffering delusions of grandeur. I am not saying you are...


You must understand that no one have tried to make me think I am something, there's no one whom have told me any of this, I know that what I claim is true from direct personal experience having observed and lived it and seen it directly from that perspective itself.

Who has granted you these experiences?


There has been attempts against me of such influence, Mind Control, but it is not something they are able to succeed with since I have a fairly solid background with direct experience and understanding of virtually all the different techniques of performing such acts against someone, and I know how to keep myself protected from it.

I am extremely aware of so many methods. Firstly, they control my memory in real time. I mean they can take out say, 3,733 experiences from a very complex multidimensional understanding, and leave 2102, and every single one precisely controlled. Unless you came preloaded wit these since birth and have not found ways to get them into your life memory banks, and also somehow came pre-installed with non open source mechanics, and also never need to use your brain for anything, etc, I find this claim by you, a little telling. That they likely have not shown you all they can do. And they may be behind your experiences too, as they are in ways behind mine. Except to me they are overt with their full extent of power(or close) very frequently.

And please tell me how you are protected from it.


I am not a "contactee", have never claimed that.

If you have spoken to otherworldly beings, no matter where they came from(inter-dimensional is in a way otherworldly too), you are a contactee by my definition. It's not only ETs by my standards.


all the deceit, lies and influences put on people who practices such.

At what point is it proven to yourself "all sums up your experiences with them? I'm not sure you can ever prove a negative or something similar. So this comment by you shows me that not every claim you are saying is proven. However convincing you of the illusion it is all of them, and doing things like illusory exemplification, would be a very likely tactic they would do on you given your situation. Again, I'm not saying I know for sure that is the case. However it is quite a close couple dots to connect given you seem to think they cannot alter your memory. Unless they showed you illusory exemplification for that too(or again, you are somehow godlike and impervious to all apex technology and influences, and also have no need for your brain in ANY way).

Do you ever feel sharp, instant pains to your brain? Please answer that question. However, they could do it to you while you are asleep, which I would say in your case and perception, would be a high chance they would do such and not leave it to chance.


There is a vast amount of manipulation against people in the new-age scene and alternative movement, with lots of abuse of people where they are lead to believe they are in contact with all kinds of Higher Beings and Divine Entities etc.

I'm normally quoting what I dispute to keep this shorter. This is very right. However how can you be so sure, this is not happening to you too? What makes you so superior?


It is very effective too, since there's a lot of very gullible people in that community that easily swallows down anything they are told as being the truth.

Being gullible has nothing to do with it when they trip the area in your brain that acts as a synergistic component for analytical thought for the inter-dimensional consciousness(they overlap I tend to think, and the brain alters what goes on, like for example feeling lower energy when you are hungry or sleepy, that is a physical trait).


That is another thing people active in this community should be more aware of, and have in consideration, skepticism is always a good thing.

I agree. but you have zero skepticism your own experiences could be illusions at all. So you don't apply this to your own experiences. Which is fishy to me. You certainly have a lot of knowledge though, and wisdom too. I'm not responding to what I see as right in your claims, because this post will be huge enough with me disputing your flimsy stuff from my experiences.


But generally, aliens do not fly around and do the things claimed by people believing to have been in contact or abducted by aliens - this is a form of fear mongering created and put into society by the Elite, and popularized to deceive people and create a specific idea and belief in people about aliens while keeping them distracted away from the real truth behind it, and the agendas they have planned in relation to this.

How could you POSSIBLY know that???!! How can you possibly be proven a negative to yourself without being omnipotent??? Can you feel every single alien presence in the vicinity of earth at all times?<--- a serious sign of an illusion unless you have the ability to telepathically contact me at this second while writing this, and already know what I'm writing and have a response written before I post it - we'll see if that happens ;) These are the types of illusions they would do. These types of comments from you sway me to seriously moreso consider you are being given many esoteric truths, whether by benevolent sources or not, but also being used or subverted by the dark forces, just like I am.

Are you saying every abduction was military engineered terrestrial aliens? And things like sex and hybrids reported frequently across the globe are all experimentation or something? And hitting two birds with one stone(def more than that, the apex forces here always hit multiple birds with one stone, sometimes thousands).


If anyone claims to be in contact with aliens, it is almost guaranteed not the case but some other activity going on.

What were the ETs doing when they were here, and why on earth would they not be interested at all in us now?


The same goes for people channeling

I agree, channeling is often dark forces IMHO.


claiming to communicate with aliens, which on its own is fairly ludicrous concept considering what they actually claim by that is that they have obtained some telepathic connection with some other physical being somewhere else in the universe, and they are sitting there in each their part of the universe communicating with each other without any notion of how improbable and illogical it is to end up in such a contact with someone in a completely different part of the universe and in addition being able to maintain such a connection over long periods of time

1. What is behind it? it's no insanity(some cases might be misidentification or rounding up thinking one is channeling, however I doubt that's even 10% of the big channelers). there are forces behind channeling. I have channeled with technology... Not to say it is ETs, or even inter-dimensional beings.

2. How the hell is telepathic contact from one point in the universe to another ludicrous when you are claiming things like being proven what God is in his pretty full form? So telepathic contact from across the universe is ludicrous, yet being PROVEN a negative is not? being able to say with certainty you know every single action done by extraterrestrials as if you were totally in the loop(which is no guarantee of little to no deception), when not even having contact with them, and you saying you are not just told this stuff, you experience it. You are telling me you are basically possibly the most powerful human being in this planets documented history. And yet simple telepathic contact from across the universe when even twit human public science can teleport light? And this is credible to you?

3. Who said they were across the universe? They could be in the asteroid belt or Phobos. In fact the only claim of across the universe I've read that I remember is a lady I suspect of mind control, and a lady I think will write up discrediting stories about my sites in the future(i wont mention her name because that may spawn such things).

4. Where are your ascended masters when they contact you? Probably not in the plane of this universe? If communicating with a being not even in the same dimension as you, aka a different universe or at least frequencies and spectrums invisible to us and matter, I'm not even sure how matter is involved, is totally acceptible and TOTALLY not an illusion NO CHANCE!!!! Yet beings in our same plane of existence communicating is ludicrous? I find that terribly odd of a claim by you Not an attack. My true thoughts. My personal thoughts on the matter of physical beings with telepathy is there are possibly galactic regions that are more connected than others. Basically mapped segments similar to counties in America, where telepathic contact is possible, but due to the universe being too big, and actual matches in conscious variables, or things like connectedness getting a little weaker with too long of a distance,.... In other words proximity may have an effect. I'm with you there, kind of. But I just don't find your ET beliefs anywhere near as advanced as your soul beliefs or God beliefs.

5. No offense, but your claims about things I have direct experience in myself, are far less probable than telepathic contact across the universe. Especially if it involves quantum teleportation via technology and implants.

6. Considering my personal humble stance, of really knowing I don't know a lot of things, I see it as possible telepathic contact has some capabilities technology has for quantum teleportation. But biological, well sort of, by biological beings, the mechanics being inter-dimensional aspects of us, and humans are not evolved enough for this in my theory(not saying this theory is a strong one)

7. Bending of space, and time, is probable to me. So across the universe could simultaniously be a few feet away as a possibility to me. The universe itself is also multidimensional with space and time in a multitude of ways I'd hazard to guess.

I'll end it there. I could go on.


and usually direct "access" whenever trying, as if the other being is only sitting on its own out there somewhere waiting impatiently for the next "call" to continue conversing.

You are really onto something with this one I must say. I was offered any time of the day telepathic contact, so was a friend. However the friend was given only archangels, not ETs. Me, I was given an AI. But I do note directly that in my mind this statement by you is very credible. No ET with complex duties is going to offer anytime of the day contact unless it has a time mechanic involved, which I'm being open minded enough to listen to your claims(and I am humbly grateful for this interaction as I feel onlookers will gain immensely in awareness of what is possible from it, regardless of who is right), I could say with the same level of open mindedness that ET could slow down time, yet that time could be relative to each in being in different time flows. so this ET could delegate his time to multiple contacts and having any of them wait less than a second for communication. However that is not my belief. Just projecting with the same level of open mindedness it takes for me to consider your claims as possible.

And I do humbly thank you for this interaction. No matter who is right, the onlookers of this post by you and me, will in almost all likelihood have their minds expanded. So we are doing a good job. However part of me wonders if the puppet masters are pulling some of both of our strings...... lol. Just being blatantly honest. Either way these puppet masters may not be summed up well by the NLP of that term. More like orchestrators in one aspect of whats possible.


People need to get less gullible and start questioning more and investigating deeper before they just conclude what the experience is about, and what different possibilities exists
I agree. However I do not see this trait in you, when seeing very clear signs you would benefit from it, at least in terms of possibly figuring out things anywhere near the levels you think you do. that is my biggest theory at this moment given what you have said. But yiou have my full respect.


the same going for those blindly taking anything a "channeler" says as the truth

I agree. However I would also state blindly taking any perception of an experience that may very well be illusions.


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[Omni]

People truly should try get more active, more exploring, find the truth on their own from their own direct personal experiences, which really is the only useful thing to do to gain any actual insight and knowledge and progress of development.

I can tell you think you have done all these things thoroughly. However if you had my experiences you would not be saying remotely close to a lot of what you have said. It's really impossible to know from the experiences I have been shown.


Yes, the whole Pleiadian part has to do with a previous life to do, not any current ongoing contact with any alien race of any kind.

I hazard a guess you also made this decision based on search engine results for having pleiadian in your website name? Because clear logic points to such if you are the type to consider all bases. I consider what my search engine results will be when picking a name for my domains.


When it comes to interaction with Ascended Masters, yes that's something I've got experience with.

This makes you an ascended master contactee. Just noting a very tiny tiny dot that may have no real line connected, but fitting for a "grandmaster" an "ascended master" would be the angle to gain access to their mind without guard, if that is the case. I'm not clueless about the tactics used by the sources I deal with. And you have their signatures quite abundantly. However this could be an illusion of mine. I acknowledge that possibility.


Now I dont know what kind of way you were in contact with such entites you mention

I can 100% verify I am dealing with extremely cruel, horrible forces. I've been tortured with synthesized pain signals, and synthetic emotions, and other flavors of anguish like claustrophobic feelings and derivatives without a name because they do not occur naturally like a thousand times. Maybe more when I gained more memories of it(my previous estimate was about 600-700 times for what I would term torture, thousands of pains etc). They do things like make me puke for meeting people in person, make me gag like 2-15 times during phone convos I have about it, as my phone is likely tapped by many governments who may not be all privy to what goes on directly in my mind but do look at all my internet data/posts to keep up to tabs as to what the US gov is up to. I know I'm not dealing with astral entities in almost all likelihood. I met a human agent in person, I've seen them zap a moth out of the sky after asking me if i wanted that demonstration, I've experienced practically every single MK ultra and project monarch reported capability/list of objectives, and all of it is documented historical fact that in the 60's they could do these things:

alter memory, alter the thinking process, alter emotions, make hostile, make non-hostile, make gay(which I have experienced for about 3 seconds), alter sexual behavior, control the body remotely, and more. This is documented by the CIA mind control researcher Jose Delgado. They have hacked my computer. They have orchestrated an unnatural car crash, they have predicted events to me that happened, they have shown me UFOs in a multitude of occasions, they have had people run by and make hand signs at me they predicted would happen, and a lot more. At the very least humans are involved and the level of control and manipulation is obviously the US government IMHO. Because I have spoken to numerous others who are obviously just experimentees of this technology. There are thousands peppered all over the USA reporting the same things with no real agenda detectable other than experimentation for many, they even do things like enhance music with mind control technology to any song i pick for them to map. I would bet 1,000$ this is not a demon/inter-dimensional doing all of this..... In fact it's impossible it's an inter-dimensional being is doing all of this(IE: meeting an agent in person, which I may also add, inducted me into a secret society that i later on rejected my membership in, and never really agreed to join it).

That is just a fraction of my story. The benevolent side is not proven to me, even though I do have experiences on part with you on many levels that I could misdiagnose as proven. But at this point, and the levels of illusions I have witnessed, i CANNOT say that it is proven. Only the evil is proven because a benevolent group simply would not do all the bad things done to me. The bad things done to me is a laundry list no non-insider knows fully.... And its not pretty.... Its one of the biggest acts of injustice i have heard my entire life no matter what time in history actually, and theres no bias or exaggeration there.


if it was a direct contact face to face in the astral planes

I've only had one induced experience that could be the astral. The rest were in dream state virtual reality technology that surely can synthesize to fully indiscernable status, the astral as well. So face to face astral contact cannot be proven to me given my experiences. I've had countless engineered dreams.


and one can do different tests to check if the entity is what it claims such as analyse their energetic makeup and see if they radiate negative or positive sensations

I've encountered some of the most enlightened beings imaginable, that were fabrications. Their energy was so severely pure and beautiful. So judging them based on how you feel from them is EXTREMELY liable to illusions. I hate to break it to ya, but I dont expect you to accept it as possible. Because if your experiences are illusory in any way, natural human dynamics means that the bigger the illusion one takes in, the harder it is to dislodge. And if they are playing with you, your illusion is MASSIVE. much like mine were.


if they fill you up with love and peace when in close distance to them or if its some colder more sinister type of energy

I've seen both done with extreme levels of purity or dissonance, by total fabrications done by technology. And I suppose its like a 1% chance its inter-dimensional beings. Enough for me to sturdily say its not. Why would an inter-dimensional being track every thought ive had since a child and only do like 30 things to me (extremely rough estimate) in like 15 years? Yet keep documented recording of my consciousness, full consciousness, down to every level of of my deepest feelings, and recording of these my entire life.

You seem to think astral beings cannot deceive you with the most pure love feelings you have ever felt, so even by your own logic my case could not be what you are experiencing. Since when do astral beings put links in your favorites they said they would through you, about the vatican, and then destroy your computer eventually.. and do things like lazer moths out of the sky, and orchestrate car crashes, and torture you in obvious fashions firmly based in nazi mind control tactics termed trauma based mind control.. Humans can do this stuff.... The black project testimonies of government sources report this, too.

A quote taken directly by me from his book (Physical Control of the Mind Towards a Psychocivilized Society) Published I believe in 1969:
"He shows how, by electrical stimulation of specific cerebral structures, movements can be induced by radio command, hostility may appear or disappear, social hierarchy can be modified, sexual behavior may be changed, and memory, emotions and the thinking process may be influenced by remote control"

Experienced it all.

"Autonomic and somatic functions, individual and social behaviors, emotional and mental reactions may be evoked, maintained, modified, or inhibited, both in animals and in man, by electrical stimulation of specific cerebral structures. Physical control of many brain functions is a demonstrated fact. ... It is even possible to follow intentions, the development of thoughts, and visual experiences" wrote the CIA mind control scientist Dr. José Delgado in the book Physical Control of the Mind in 1969.

All again, I've been through many times.

"One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions (and thus actions), produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term memory, produce an experience set, and delete an experience set. It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to 'talk' to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them."
Scientific Advisory Board of the Air Force, New World Vistas: Air and Space Power For The 21st Century

Once again, seen it all.


ask your Inner Guide and Intuition to filter lies from truth so you see what is for what it really is

intuition is fully open source. So thats obsolete for me unless they allow it due to order, or just allowing it. And I've asked every source imaginable for help and escaping my torture, which happens every single day, for years now, literally every single one. Do they give me holidays and birthdays off? Nope. They hit me harder on those days.

Not to mention government insiders such as harley on the nexus 2012 forum report the exact same tactics and capabilities done to him when he was about to come forward publicly(if i interpreted him right). Now why would an astral being act exactly like the US gov with it's obviously assumable agenda... I'll stop there. I'm not convinced for a second I'm dealing with astral beings or inter-dimensionals. However its remotely, and I mean remotely possible. They have used all the standard CIA discrediting tactics on me.... By the book. microwave technology on me to get me considered schizo(electronic telepathy), tactics reported widely in the USA in every single state as if they were dispersed to not be common in any region perfectly, doing exact but quite more capable defined actions reported by irrefutable government sources, shown me space wars tech, met an agent in person, and on and on and on... No, I dont think I'm dealing with inter-dimensional demons(although they may have enjoyed my energy when I am tortured by this stuff.


ask them how they found you, why they contacted you, where they normally reside and what they do there, and so on.

It's all liable to be lies.


Be skeptical and aware and keep your mind clear, rational and logical.

Rationality and logical analysis are functions of the physical brain, or at least have overlapping affects. And they can negate both clearly, and undetected at the time of it happening(and with no analytical thought analysis, you dont think to think about it).


and there's only positive and loving energies involved

Judging a force by how you interpret it's energy, has been clearly, and irrefutably shown to me, as totally unreliable. It can all be synthesized.


If communicating with someone claiming to be God, it will always be a lie and deceit and someone else.
I hold a similar theory. But I hold mine as a theory, not fact. I'm just highly skeptical God would telepathically communicate with people, cherry picking favorites and such(if that applies). And that is largely based on the sheer amount of beings in the universe.


No, far from a flaw[reincarnation cycles], it is completely on purpose and designed exactly for the opposite reason of what is generally believed and misinformed about in different religious systems. It is usually seen as a positive thing, part of some illogical development system, that supposedly is for your own good and will help you ascend and enter higher levels of existence etc. That is all just nonsense

How is it illogical? lol. You see varying degrees of wisdom. One brother who looks exactly the same can hold vast amounts of wisdom more than the other brother. This leads me to believe the soul maintains a system of ascension in terms of wisdom, and where we are indeed is partly a task to learn spiritually. It may be wrong, I concede that. But it's not illogical IMO. No less logical than you next lines:


it is a real construct, but its purpose is to maintain people in physical bodies, keep them from moving away and develop in any way, to make sure they will not reach any understanding or self-realization but rather stay here ignorant and trapped over and over to function as slaves of the negative entity that created the physical body and designed it in ways that makes it easy to control and manipulate and have the Soul trapped within.

I find this illogical myself. to define physical incarnation as all slaves for negative entities. lol... That is a design flaw IMHO. And exactly what I meant when saying it. It's easy to say it's a trap system meant for us being slaves, little vessels to manipulate and nothing else for lords above us, in all the vastness of the universe in physicality, all the beings out there, all slaves and made to be in their situation to be manipulated... Sound like something a sociopath would create to me. That is why it's illogical to me. Sounds like a creation of Satan if he actually existed.

It would be much much harder on a more developed and spiritually evolved planet where life is paradise for 100% of the people for over 99% of their lives. Would be harder to rationalize your point of view then. And I have full faith that places like that exist in the physical dimension we are in. The universe is too big for it not to have that. In fact I hazard to guess that more planets with advanced lifeforms are likened to gardens of eden(metaphor), and "heaven" but in 3d+(where heaven and hell are IMHbut-not-totally-sure-the-truthO). This planet may be a playden for demons and negative beings, and exploiting ETs and experimenters etc, as we are a young very dysfunctional race of humans as a whole. However in less than 100 years in America for example, I'd say at the very least 20-30% less people are racist, in just a mere 100 years, which isn't even a blink of an eye for earth in history. I think its safe to say that we will ascend towards benevolence and reason as time passes(although not without occasional steps backwards), and eventually either die out(I dont put chips in that one), or become responsible stewards of our planet, and start creating reality for ourselves. You version of reality there is not reasonable to me to think we(our race) are going to be constantly stuck in this hellhole(while some are in heaven, usually sociopaths or clueless people).

Totally not vibin with that one brother. But I do not have disrespect for you for having that view. It's possible. Like buddha saying it. I agree, this planet right now is kind of like a prison for the awake. Pretty hostile. But I don't think that is indefinite at all. Our history is PUNY. Say we came along when the dinosaurs did. What would we be at now? Not a bunch of idiots I dont think. lol. But thats just my top model of 3d progression and evolving and transcending the brutality of nature alphas and patriarchal oppression of the more beautiful side(feminine, but i hold a big bias there), and not so smoothely at times transitioning into being responsible caretakers of this planet. A reality where this planet is doomed as slaved for negative beings does not resonate at all.... I wont even mention the psychological effects that may have and the MK ties that may be having in terms of agenda.. nvm..... well not in depth mention i mean...


Hypnosis is a very powerful tool to gain control over people, change their though-patterns, manipulate and deceive them, get them extremely open for commands and suggestions, and a clear indication on a function put in place for these very purposes, and something most of us can see is being used by people in power, the negative ones, the Elite, and so on to abuse, manipulate, deceive and create false beliefs and ideas in people, program them and make them act in the ways they want them to.

I totally agree. But I'm sure you put yourself not being able to be put into these states. It's not always easy to discern, especially if you are in, as you say "altered states of mind" that have layers that mask the telltale signs of it(which are very subtle with technological hypnosis).

I've experienced it. Unless you have firmly established beliefs in it, most if not all are toast. Well in saying that, I guess more accurately, if you have confusion in an area, or severe lack of knowledge, it's pretty much check mate from my experiences for any multilayers intelligent illusion. And I'm no naive person or an idiot, or weak minded. Never was. My will was very very strong before they started major control of me. It doesn't matter. The intelligence matters nothing with hypnosis, mainly firmly pre-established beliefs do from my experiences. And it doesn't zonk you into a zombie state. Its extremely hard to tell, especially if you do not suspect foul play, as you clearly do not in your experiences.


In other words, humans are per design created to be as open as possible in so many different ways to truly maximize the effects of influence and create a high success rate for achieving such manipulation.
I totally agree, at least with the open source part. I've experienced levels of open source Avalonians, I hazard to guess, do not like hearing about. Because it goes against new age optimism. However it doesn't mean we lose. Its just the truth. We'll win IMO. And thats a strong opinion.


There is only one real logical conclusion that makes perfect sense to why it is that, and that is because human bodies were designed to be controlled and make sure the Souls trapped in them will stay stuck ignorant, manipulated around, easily controlled, and completely in power of those running the show.

Or that control has both a balance of both negative and positive aspects, and humans have enough physical overlapping and enmeshing of soul and brain/etc that literally every single thing in our lives can be enhanced to truly heavenly levels as well as hellish control and torture/manipulation. Also a big one. Which we'll have for a very long time I tend to think unless we get help(which I'm not sure advanced genetic help in manipulating our species through synthetic means is smart), that means through mind control we can negate any pain we ever have(they negate my pain at times), take away any mental dysfunction we have, addiction, depression, anxiety, panic attacks, phobias, odd and not so good traits, sociopathy, and everything else, all able to be eliminated with mind control. How open source mind control is, which I venture to guess its that way for most physical body having races, means we can fix any problem we ever have mentally, until we as a race are healthy enough to not need it for that, and only those who wants to enhance every single sense oriented experience in their life(if not a purist/naturalist), making life truly worthy of the title heaven beyond your wildest dreams eventually if we decide to.

Ask your ascended masters if they will show you music enhancing mind control. It's mind blowing and awesome. It's the apex of music for humans of our kind. The stimulation possible is quite profound. Like tears rolling down your face profound(in a ggood way), or immensely interesting profound, or just stimulating in a sensory fashion in a way that is as multidimensional as consciousness itself.

Like just about anything in the universe, mind control is a balance. It's capable of the greatest good we can name, as well as the greatest bad. It can cure(synthetically) blindness, as well a paralysis, and deafness. Cure depression, addiction, anxiety of any kind, ANY mental dysfunction it can cure without crappy side effects. Ever wonder why so much we have has side effects? Crappy garbage drugs? Well mind control has no side effects from what i've seen. I dont think the soul stop gaining, in fact it could be used for speeding up soulular progression possibly, it seems to have grown my soul a lot to go through heaven and hell, what I term yihn yang intensified.

I certainly do not blame you for interpreting this very sociopathic screwed up world as a universal truth that physical incarnations are prisons universe wide(if i;'m interpreting that right). However, I think that is an MK thought. The deeper I have delved into your reality, the more I think it's MK honestly. Either way you have my full respect and see you as a brother in ways. you definitely have figured out a lot I agree with, and your explanation of souls is fantastic even if not true. I'd like your permission to take what you said about it, and possibly add my own theories to it(if even needed, possibly just further explain it more in depth, as to whats possible, for my own websites. I would not be presenting it as a fact, and I would reference where I got it from on my own sites(but with all due respect, a disclaimer that I do not endorse your full version of reality)..

jeeeeeez. what a long post. lol. Thanks again for existing here and being involved in this stimulating conversation. However I cannot guarantee I will have the energy to reply if you make your reply much bigger than my response, as is the pattern if we isolate segments and write very complex thoughts about it. ALthough that is possible too. But this really was taxing on me as I have been up 4 days with 1 sleep...... Do you get sleep deprivation? They do it to literally almost all government MK targets. I could list many signs of what I'm dealing with, and see if its the same as you. However it might not be comfortable for you if your reality is dislodged and you figure them out(if you are an MK target, like me). I almost would rather you didn't in some ways. But the truth is important. Anyway, after this convo, people will have a lot to ponder I think. I think this interaction has contributed to this forum a good bit.

And I hope you do not interpret my analysis of your situation negatively. However I would practically fall out of my chair if you considered what I say given your self assurance. WHich I do not diss but will note when I find it flawed out of respect and thoroughness for this forum and everyone reading as well as yourself.

[Lord Sidious]

This is for Omninugget, he needs it. :p



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArTxNnM77w

[StateOfTheHeart]

Edward, your take on hypnosis, the role of the third eye (pineal) and the human body in general doesn’t resonate with me.

You posed the question:

Why would a phenomena like this exist at all in human beings, for what purpose, and how did it get part of our physiological makeup? There's absolutely no logical sense to it…

Could the purpose of hypnosis not be as part of some repair kit?

Using the analogy of the human body as a computer: The computer may be infected with a virus and cease functioning properly - now, computers have no innate healing mechanism, so - at this point the options are to use specialised anti-virus software, to identify and remove the virus, or otherwise completely wipe the hard-drive and reinstall the OS or finally purchase a completely new computer, a new set of hardware.

To minimise costs and losses, the preferred method is obviously anti-virus software.

Now back to the case of the human body: the mind may be ‘infected’ by poor conditioning (virus: self-directed or otherwise), such as substance or emotional addiction etc., which severely affects proper function. Humans do have an innate self-healing mechanism but suppose the necessary will were lacking... Short of the fatal remedy of suicide (new PC) or a catastrophic nervous breakdown (HD wipe, reinstall OS) – may not hypnosis (anti-virus) be used to identify the fault and re-write that conditioning to aid the individual onto a process of proper healing? That makes logical sense to me.

(Unlike you, I have no personal experience on the matter – merely raising a point for discussion – though have heard of interesting hypnosis experiences (Psych-K, regression))
- - - - -

Regarding your statement:
…humans are per design created to be as open as possible in so many different ways to truly maximize the effects of influence and create a high success rate for achieving such manipulation.

I would have to agree; and while I don’t think any form of external control is positive, I don’t see negative exploitation as being the only purpose or explanation…

For analogy: Plants have receptor sites for sunlight, fresh air and healthy nutrients but may be subjected to nasty artificial light, polluted air and toxic fertiliser. Likewise, children have eyes, ears and other senses such that they may be presented with truth, joy and other positive experiences – or they may be given hell…

How is it that the human faculties and the technique of hypnosis only have negative purposes?

May we not be showered in love and positive information (which I believe we are - see Sun) – rather than the current influx which you’ve mentioned prior and which we are all well aware of?

I feel that the approach you’ve taken to hypnosis, the pineal gland and the human body in general is biased in a negative way and may cause an unnecessary dismissal or resentment to potentially useful tools for the individual and I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind such a conclusion.

[Lazlo]

From your website, a background of maggador. I'll leave it to others to read for themselves and see how it jives with what you have said here.
The whole thing is interesting and I actually do believe that you are sincere about wanting to be a force for good.
However, a lot of really smart folks here have their highly attuned spidey senses tingling.

http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2009/05/background-of-maggador-ix-777.html

Around this time I also got to know people in various positions, some of them of extremely high positions, in different institutions and endavours, including both governmental ones such as the Military, CIA, NSA and FBI, as well as very prominent leaders of highly secret Occult Orders - and the connections between all of these. Here I gained friends whom became very good and personal friends whom gave me the opportunity to see a lot of these institutions and organizations from the inside and what they are actually involved with at very deep secret levels.

Now that is a pretty bold statement, as well as your statement that you have been a source for Bill and Kerry, that they have consulted you in the past.

I would humbly propose that either you, Mr. Alexander, or one of our esteemed mods, drop a line to Bill or Kerry and ask for some confirmation of this fact. It can surely be justified given the level of disharmony that this thread has generated. Most un-Avalonian, and I myself am guilty as charged.

[Fred Steeves]

Now that is a pretty bold statement, as well as your statement that you have been a source for Bill and Kerry, that they have consulted you in the past.

I would humbly propose that either you, Mr. Alexander, or one of our esteemed mods, drop a line to Bill or Kerry and ask for some confirmation of this fact. It can surely be justified given the level of disharmony that this thread has generated. Most un-Avalonian, and I myself am guilty as charged.

I would be most interested to see what Bill has to say about this reliable source of his over the last 10 years...BILL???

Cheers,
Fred

[Bill Ryan]

Now that is a pretty bold statement, as well as your statement that you have been a source for Bill and Kerry, that they have consulted you in the past.

I would humbly propose that either you, Mr. Alexander, or one of our esteemed mods, drop a line to Bill or Kerry and ask for some confirmation of this fact. It can surely be justified given the level of disharmony that this thread has generated. Most un-Avalonian, and I myself am guilty as charged.

I would be most interested to see what Bill has to say about this reliable source of his over the last 10 years...BILL???

Cheers,
Fred

Hi there, Fred -

Yes, Edward's been in touch with Kerry and myself since (from memory) 2007 or so... this is +/- a year, as I don't have access to the e-mail archives as I write this.

I've not met him personally: when he first introduced himself, he was in Argentina. But nothing has ever given me reason to disbelieve he is who he says he is. He has furnished us with some valuable and interesting background information, which was much appreciated.

All best wishes, Bill

[Fred Steeves]

Now that is a pretty bold statement, as well as your statement that you have been a source for Bill and Kerry, that they have consulted you in the past.

I would humbly propose that either you, Mr. Alexander, or one of our esteemed mods, drop a line to Bill or Kerry and ask for some confirmation of this fact. It can surely be justified given the level of disharmony that this thread has generated. Most un-Avalonian, and I myself am guilty as charged.

I would be most interested to see what Bill has to say about this reliable source of his over the last 10 years...BILL???

Cheers,
Fred

Hi there, Fred -

Yes, Edward's been in touch with Kerry and myself since (from memory) 2007 or so... this is +/- a year, as I don't have access to the e-mail archives as I write this.

I've not met him personally: when he first introduced himself, he was in Argentina. But nothing has ever given me reason to disbelieve he is who he says he is. He has furnished us with some valuable and interesting background information, which was much appreciated.

All best wishes, Bill

Thanks Bill, I'll have to assume then that the 10 years claim was just "misspoken".

Cheers,
Fred

BTW, good to see you back, hope you're well.:)

[ktlight]

Hi Bill
This deserves a HUGE thanks and will settle much fear that Edward is another Charles.

[Lazlo]

Edward,

You have my sincere apologies. I started off with bad assumptions after the Vegan thread and and the Grand Master title. It just "rubbed me wrong" is the best way to describe it. I still may not agree with much of what you are saying, and Bill is not infallible, but his opinion does still carry considerable weight here.

Best regards,

Lazlo

[Carmody]

Hi Bill
This deserves a HUGE thanks and will settle much fear that Edward is another Charles.

Bill never said that.

All he said is that Edward was in contact with them in a given timeframe and gave some background information.

The end.

Please don't read into it, one way or another.

Which takes things back to the point I was trying to make.... about being aware of the self's capacity to fool the self, through assigning realities, forms, and shapes... where none exist.

:)

[Edward Alexander]

[...]

I do not have time to respond right now to your lengthy post, but I wanted to thank you and let you know I appreciate your presentation of your own viewpoints, experiences and opinions, doing so in a respectful and polite manner. This is something I am glad to see, and it is a good thing that you have your skepticism in your approach to what i claim. My intention is not to try make people believe what I present as the truth, but rather let them know my own experiences, observations and what I have come to realize as the truth - and then they should investigate it properly by practical means and do their work at verifying or discrediting my claims from what they obtain through own personal experiences and insights on their quest for truth and understanding.

Again thanks, and I will be more than happy to continue the discussion once I've got the proper time on my hands to do so.

-EA

[Fred Steeves]

But unless you're prepared to reveal something eye popping to us, I would suggest that what we have here is another "Charles" game of 20 questions. Or 200. Or 2,000.



Done waiting Edward. The awakening old veterans of the psychic wars have no time for this. We're going home...Long over due...With you, without you, or right through you mate. Wish you would join in, but I understand why you can't. By all means everyone, carry on...:wave:

Fred Out,
Cheers

[Edward Alexander]

Don't worry, I will give some practical advice and different exercises, techniques and methods that can be beneficial and improve your situation, gain you more insights, understanding and experiences. It's just a bit hard for me to get the proper time to sit down to write much, and I already got lots of posts to respond to as well, but as time allows it I will post here.

good luck

[The One]

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference

[Edward Alexander]

As a sidenote, in the meanwhile, feel free to check out some of the practical exercises I've previously posted on my website, some might find some use of it:
http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/search?label=meditationtopic

They are all good to start with, and will help increase your energy circulation, connection with your inner self, obtain spiritual experiences and insights, and generally warm up and activate your mental / psychic skills.

Some general tips specifically on astral projection and how to succeed and perform it well:
http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2009/04/atral-projection-general-information.html

That can be useful for anyone interested in that specific experience, one I personally would call the most important do learn and handle while still alive, and alone can bring amounts of information, experiences, discoveries, insights, understanding, personal development etc.

Many people have also reported good results and positive benefits from a guided meditation I made, so I'll add that here too even though I posted it in its own thread some time ago.

GUIDED AUDIO MEDITATION - For relaxation, enter a positive mindset, healing, spiritual development & reaching goals

Here is a guided meditation I have created, using different techniques and technologies for optimal effects. Get yourself relaxed and feeling good, healed, cleansed, enter a positive mind set, achieve goals you have, and get rid of stress and worries, as well as being able to use it for spiritual development and experiences.

This is a guided and instructed meditation, where I also use some hypnotic techniques for self-hypnosis from my background with hypnotherapy, along with a specific audio technology called Hemi-Sync that on its own puts you into a very relaxed state of mind.

I will be more than glad for any feedback from those who give it a try!

HOW TO USE:

1. Lie down in a relaxed and comfortable position, with eyes closed.

2. Use headphones for optimal results and deeper relaxation. Can still be used without headphones though.

3. Put it on play and follow instructions and just let yourself float into relaxation.

Enjoy, and relax!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOZ32dmPgEA
-

I have also converted it into an MP3 file so it easily can be used in any mp3-player device and brought along wherever wanted instead of only listening to it on the computer.

The MP3 can be downloaded here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T21QYWQM

Note the seconds counting down on the right side of the page, that's where the correct download link will appear once reaching 0.

That's mostly some general and basic material, though some of it is very advanced and can bring you to very deep levels of self-exploration and understanding.

Enjoy

[Cognitive Dissident]

OK, glad to see there's no Crowley connection. Here's my take on this. EA gets some credit in my book for returning and being calm and polite in responding to questions/criticism. That's a good sign, but of course just a beginning. Also good that Bill gave that positive if not overwhelming reference earlier.
The whole thing about secrecy, secret societies, my feeling is that they belong to the past. We don't need secrecy any more, it has done so much harm. Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to know all the advanced astral techniques which can be used for harm if in the wrong hands, etc etc. To put it very simply, the problem in this world is not that people don't have enough knowledge of esoteric/occult techniques/knowledge, it is that (over simplification) there is too much technology and not enough wisdom. Not enough spiritual awareness. And the techniques for spiritual awareness - meditation, compassion, self-awareness, forgiveness, etc, are not exactly complicated. It is applying them that is the problem.
So, I'll give whatever spiritual techniques EA suggests, a spin (when he has time to present them and I have time to try them!).
In the meantime, hopefully we all aspire to make this a forum where we practice what we believe in - for me, that's treat others as I would be treated, so at this point I will say thank to EA for an interesting thread, we will see what comes of it.
PS: by an interesting "co-incidence" EA just posted as I was writing. I take this as a positive sign and will give the guided meditation a spin.

[Edward Alexander]

OK, glad to see there's no Crowley connection. Here's my take on this. EA gets some credit in my book for returning and being calm and polite in responding to questions/criticism. That's a good sign, but of course just a beginning. Also good that Bill gave that positive if not overwhelming reference earlier.
The whole thing about secrecy, secret societies, my feeling is that they belong to the past. We don't need secrecy any more, it has done so much harm. Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to know all the advanced astral techniques which can be used for harm if in the wrong hands, etc etc. To put it very simply, the problem in this world is not that people don't have enough knowledge of esoteric/occult techniques/knowledge, it is that (over simplification) there is too much technology and not enough wisdom. Not enough spiritual awareness. And the techniques for spiritual awareness - meditation, compassion, self-awareness, forgiveness, etc, are not exactly complicated. It is applying them that is the problem.
So, I'll give whatever spiritual techniques EA suggests, a spin (when he has time to present them and I have time to try them!).
In the meantime, hopefully we all aspire to make this a forum where we practice what we believe in - for me, that's treat others as I would be treated, so at this point I will say thank to EA for an interesting thread, we will see what comes of it.
PS: by an interesting "co-incidence" EA just posted as I was writing. I take this as a positive sign and will give the guided meditation a spin.

Thanks for your kind words. Hope I can provide something useful.

Regarding Crowley, and the constant connections people try to make between me and him just because we both have the same name, it is fairly ironic and entertaining actually, since I have been directly involved with the work of infiltrating that order, OTO, and expose the filth they're involved with there. Worked in Brazil, and got in and even managed to get some photos back out from some of their rituals. Posted these photos elsewhere long time ago, if anyone are interested I can re-post them here, generally they're just showing how the order looks from the inside, symbolism they use, and the acts of sex rituals and orgies. I was actually working on that together with another friend of mine who is member of some of the same orders as me, he himself having been interviewed on video by Bill & Kerry. So, there are some of us working on exposing the negative practices and those whom participate in such, and try to bring some higher levels of the Good into the environment and population, doing our work silently to decrease the power of the Elite and increase the power of the People.

Cheers

[panopticon]

G'day Edward Alexander,

Thank you for the discussion and your calm courteous demeanor.

Many sages have counseled against the deliberate cultivation of "siddhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi)" (supernatural powers).
Siddhi are viewed as distractions to "self-awareness".
You have made mention of them repeatedly.

I am curious why?

Many of the techniques and philosophies you mention are familiar to me.
Your explanation for the many Tutankhamen re-incarnates, for example, is not unusual within Eastern (or "Easternised") philosophies.
Many of your posts/explanations are what I would classify as "alternative mainstream" and do not extend beyond "a well trod path".

I would ask what is your purpose to this?
You appear to have one beyond your writings and information dissemination (this is not to say an alternative sinister purpose, just something more).

By saying you are from a "secret blood-line" and that you are a "Grand Master" you are creating a form of credentialism for yourself so as to give a form of authority to your words. This seems to have "rubbed people up the wrong way" and detracted from your presentation.

Why would you (or anyone without alternative motives) do this?

In your response to this post I would ask you to be succinct if possible.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi

[Spellbound]

Hello Edward,

Can you please clarify for me your thoughts on ET's. Are you saying that aliens do exist (have visited the earth many times through the ancient past but were not involved with the creation of humans)?? Are you saying that aliens are not flying around earth these days and there are no alien abductions (anyone claiming to have been abducted by aliens is wrong)?? Admitedly, I've been fascinted by this thread. However, I do believe aliens are abducting people and they have been doing so for a very long time (I also believe in hybrid races being developed as a result of said abductions).

Also, what effect, if any, did aliens have in the development of humankind??

Very keen to hear your thoughts on these questions.

Dave - Toronto

[Marsila]

Hi Bill
This deserves a HUGE thanks and will settle much fear that Edward is another Charles.

Bill never said that.

All he said is that Edward was in contact with them in a given timeframe and gave some background information.

The end.

Please don't read into it, one way or another.

Which takes things back to the point I was trying to make.... about being aware of the self's capacity to fool the self, through assigning realities, forms, and shapes... where none exist.

:)

Hi Carmody....it is my understanding that when someone uses the word "valuable" even before the word interesting, it suggests a bit more than just saying they shared information...so as you said we shouldn't read it one way or another.

Am no interested in reading the main post that caused all this, because am not interested in anyone or anything trying to say they are gurus or leaders, but i did read some of his blog posts and tried his meditation and he is trying to empower anyone.

anyway i'm really sorry for what that (C/Atticwhatever) did to a lot of people here, i only read a few of his blablbal here coz people kept bringing his name up, and i feel people that remain suspicious of everyone else, are like a house haunted by past ghosts, scaring anyone new.

As for Edward, i know i sent you a long pm with my questions and concerns, and time is precious when you are working on things but such you mentioned OTO Brazil and now you are in Argentina...how far deep in Latin America do you think those darker organizations are not only OTO but other ones to...i won't lie that that i ask because that little girls murder in BsAs is real suspicious and much more like something they would be involved in, than 'normal' kidnappers (who usually target rich families not poor ones)

[ThePythonicCow]

Edward,

You have my sincere apologies. I started off with bad assumptions after the Vegan thread and and the Grand Master title. It just "rubbed me wrong" is the best way to describe it. I still may not agree with much of what you are saying, and Bill is not infallible, but his opinion does still carry considerable weight here.

Best regards,

Lazlo

As others have noticed, Bill's reply spoke to his exchanging email with Edward Alexander at times in the last 4 or 5 years.

This does not precisely validate Edward Alexander's claim (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=296743&viewfull=1#post296743)):
Also, I've been here since the very start of Camelot, close to 10 years, and I've known Billy & Kerry for all those years and had many great times with them, ...

As noted at About Project Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/about_us.html), Project Camelot was founded in April 2006 by Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy. That would be about five and a half years ago, not ten. Also the phrase "had many great times with them" suggests more than the email exchanges to which Bill testified

Some spidey senses are still tingling hereabouts.

[Edward Alexander]

Well I must say it is fairly entertaining seeing how much some of you read into the tiniest details, and try to make a point out of something that has absolutely no point to it in any way. How is my miscalculation of the years I've been on Camelot and known Bill and Kerry relevant in any way? I can do mistakes like anyone else, and thats the only thing that happened , there is nothing to "read into" at all and focusing on such strange tiny little insignificant details as the above makes no sense at all. Of everything I've written so far, this is the most odd thing to try point out as being some kind of "sign" for something, I can't even see what the actual point is supposed to be.

As Bill himself confirmed here, he and Kerry has known me for many years, we've been communicating back and forth on different subjects and sharing information, and he said himself he has never had any doubts of me being who I claim to be. It's an odd thing in itself to believe I would be somehow making that up and lie about it, in the very place the two of them runs and owns and are directly involved in. Obviously if I didn't tell the truth, it would have been quite a short time for the lie to be exposed, who would do such a thing if they were trying to complete some deceitful "mission" ?

It is interesting though to see what odd little things people manage to interpret as "something", with the most bizarre illogical examples.

[Lazlo]

This does not precisely validate Edward Alexander's claim (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=296743&viewfull=1#post296743)):
Also, I've been here since the very start of Camelot, close to 10 years, and I've known Billy & Kerry for all those years and had many great times with them, ...

As noted at About Project Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/about_us.html), Project Camelot was founded in April 2006 by Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy. That would be about five and a half years ago, not ten. Also the phrase "had many great times with them" suggests more than the email exchanges to which Bill testified

Some spidey senses are still tingling hereabouts.

Agreed, If anything my thoughts are much more clear now with Bill having confirmed things in a round about way. But for the record, I don't think that there is anything nefarious going on, nor do I think that Edward means any harm. More Walter Mitty than anything else. I was trying to be gracious, and my apology was for going at him so hard early on in the thread, it was unnecessarily harsh given what I now believe. And frankly, I don't expect him to understand this at all.

[Edward Alexander]

As for Edward, i know i sent you a long pm with my questions and concerns, and time is precious when you are working on things but such you mentioned OTO Brazil and now you are in Argentina...how far deep in Latin America do you think those darker organizations are not only OTO but other ones to...i won't lie that that i ask because that little girls murder in BsAs is real suspicious and much more like something they would be involved in, than 'normal' kidnappers (who usually target rich families not poor ones)

It's difficult to say where they are NOT present. There's a lot of activity here in South America, many different orders in locations everywhere. When I was working on that OTO lodge in Brazil I also got to find out that they were connected to the Order of Freemasons and the Rosicrucian Order, and a specific Church where it was one of the Bishops that also was the grandmaster of the 3 mentioned orders. So they're widespread, and connected, through many groups, orders and institutions. The specific person in question, the leader, also had established himself and his orders in other countries, all up in Europe, and have a large network he controls through different locations and countries.

[161803398]

We do not need any help in the Order, but people need to help themselves, that's the most important thing. You need a relaxed and calm state of mind, that only see the positive and expects the best without even thinking about any of the negative. You should simply assume, await and demand to get things going good for yourself and everyone else. You can do meditations where you visualize everything in harmony, peace, balance, people being happy, joyful, content, calm, getting along with each other etc. Learn to handle and control the states of your mind and emotions. Be able to be calm and rational in any situation. Get yourself confident, secure, content and feeling great and happy. Be kind, honorable, noble, and a gentleman in your deeds and actions, both towards yourself and towards others. Keep a healthy clean and pure mind and thoughts, think the best of others and always wish them well, accept others as they are, respect everyone and everything around you, people, animals and plants, don't gossip or complain, accept things the way they are, dont worry about anything instead always be optimistic and expect the best outcome of any situation, and truly do it with honesty and your real will and intention - doesn't help to try force it and do things that are opposite of what you think.

This is true. It sounds too simple, doesn't it. But it works.

[Edward Alexander]

Hello Edward,

Can you please clarify for me your thoughts on ET's. Are you saying that aliens do exist (have visited the earth many times through the ancient past but were not involved with the creation of humans)?? Are you saying that aliens are not flying around earth these days and there are no alien abductions (anyone claiming to have been abducted by aliens is wrong)?? Admitedly, I've been fascinted by this thread. However, I do believe aliens are abducting people and they have been doing so for a very long time (I also believe in hybrid races being developed as a result of said abductions).

Also, what effect, if any, did aliens have in the development of humankind??

Very keen to hear your thoughts on these questions.

Dave - Toronto

As I have come to realize and understand, aliens do not frequently visit Earth nor abduct humans. There's other things going on where this has been purposely put forth into the public as the explanation to cover up the truth. I've been involved with people that are working directly with these projects, and seen it in action for what it is myself. To simplify it as much as possible, I will break it into 2 categories: 1. being "mental" experiences and 2. being governmental black-op experiments. Sometimes explanation 2 is part of number 1 as well.

1. Mental experiences, refers to anything that is experiences only in the mind of the observer, such as thought-intrusion, external influences from non-physical sources, astral projections and out of body experiences, contact with non-physical entities & astral beings, psychological phenomenas etc.

2. Governmental experiments, refers to different projects performed by the shadow-government where they are doing experiments and other work on the population. Sometimes these experiments includes telepathic actions such as causing anything mentioned in point 1 above, and making the person believe it is an alien abduction or alien contact. Other times different technology is used that can alter the perception and function of the brain/mind and make people perceive something else than what is really going on, and other types of mind control techniques are frequently used. These experiments can be performed remotely, from a distance, so no actual physical contact with the victim is needed, though physical contact do happen as well in some cases depending on the purpose of the experiment. In the public they plant and spread the idea of "alien contact" as the cause, to create a false belief about aliens and what they do, spreading fear and negative conceptions of such beings. The New Age scene , and places like this where we are discussing now, are very popular places to use as a tool to spread and increase such misconceptions among the people. There is a very large amount of disinformation in this type of community which have been put out there and placed into circulation on purpose to deceive and mislead people. The New Age community have become one of the largest sources of mind control, programming, deceit, lies and misleading aimed at the public. It is very successful in doing that and a favorite cultural area of the "Elite" in their agendas.

If aliens are flying around here from time to time, that is a possibility, but it certainly is not the norm or a common thing. The majority of "alien contacts" belongs to what I mentioned above.

There is contact with alien beings though, but that is mainly between the Elite and alien beings on their side, assisting them and giving them useful technology and knowledge that can be used for their gain and against the public. There is also traveling between Earth and other planets going on, but not in the form of flying ships or spacecrafts, but through teleportation devices that connects several different worlds with eachother, and the leading governments are collaborating. In fact this in itself is one of the reasons they don't come flying around here, since other more efficient and safe and quicker technology already exist that eliminates the need for spacecrafts and flying through space.

[Spellbound]

Thankyou for your response, Edward. Can you tell me if aliens had anything to do with the birth of humanity?? How did humans come to exist (and how far back)?? I went to a Christian grade school for 6 years when I was a boy where everything was taught from a biblical standpoint wiht bible study for an hour each day. Unfortunately, I can't buy into the garden of Eden theory with the earth manufactured in 6 days and God resting on the 7th. I've long believed that ET's had a hand in the origins of humanity (be it from the very beginning of us walking upright or by tweaking our DNA along the way or both). What are your thoughts in this regard?? Where did we come from??

[Ultima Thule]

Q: Edward - if we go along with the concept of the trap and so forth - this matrix-like world that we are talking of here. Do you gather, that are there loopholes for a "divine" spark or our divine connection to oneness to penetrate through the trap system, for example synchronicity, a number in a license plate letting you know that what you just thought is original and valuable? Or do you consider synchronicity and numerology and the sorts to just being parts the matrix? Any other ideas you have on loopholes?

Contemplation part:
And yes, I must say that I did find the thing about your connection with Bill and Ryan and spending time with them on many occasions(not an accurate quote) a bit disturbing considering you apparently have not met them? I am not saying that you are not what you claim to be, but is there a possibility of exaggeration on your behalf? - I know I have done that on many, many, many occasions and probably do it by the end of this day ten more times :o

And I would like to say to all of us involved here that at the same time I am absolutely willing to consider for example Sierras comments as coming from much greater experience than I have and with a perspective more evolved, and therefore justifying the seemingly patronizing way of it, but yet I am also willing to consider that also a guy younger than I, might come up with considerable information that might change my paradigm of the world. Talk about the essence of J.C. and the fariseans..

What I also would like to say is that until this far I feel that you Edward have produced an amount of information proving that you have at the absolute minimum level studied the "genre" extensively, things and ideas are popping in your texts from all over the literature, whistleblowers, interviews and science etc. well aligned in general to what I have read and there hasn´t been really anything new to me, EXCEPT a considerable alternative perspective as to how things are, which I take quite seriously - can one really fathom the depth of the rabbit hole we are in?? What is the number of levels having a different lie or a different truth and having a clue as to what level am I standing on(quoting R. Hoagland freely here)? So you might be telling the truth or on the other hand you might be distracting people from the truth, knowingly or unknowingly. I guess that´s what is distressing many people here, where is your certainty originating from, is there real basis to it, what is the probability of you - or anyone for that matter - absolutely knowing the level you stand on and realizing the set of lies, truths and other misconceptions affecting it? The age thing does that to people, I know I knew it all 15 years ago, I know I knew it all 10 years ago, I definitely know I knew it all 5 years ago, but nowadays I guess I don´t have a clue. What I have gathered from interaction with people, for that is what this is about, it never produces good and innovative results if the flow of energy and information and ideas is a one way street. Only when all perspectives and ideas from other people or pupils have been taken into consideration and given a chance to grow and then synthesize something greater and bigger, have I seen myself excel in a teachers position - meaning I can only be as good teacher, as high will I allow my pupils to rise.

Conclusion:
I am most probably just a novice in theoretical and practical knowledge about these matters compared to some dinosaurs:p in Avalon, so do consider that your audience here is a exceptionally well informed one and therefore a tough audience to impress - which I know you feel no need to accomplish and could not care less if it happens or not. But consider this: you wish the good for the mankind and the information to be spread in your "show" and coming out as an order here. What if in your regular OTHER "neighborhood movie theatre" they are showing a presentation that does the exact opposite, but with much more of a show and UMPH to it and caring whether the audience is impressed?

Thanks again Edward, in any case this conversation has been a breath of fresh air and I am glad to participate in it. I wish you well!

UT

[Lancelot]

Thanks EA for starting this enlightening thread.
Due to the very nature of secret societies being secret it is no surprise that many beleive them to be of ill intentions, largely due to the misinformation spread by controlling groups to discredit them and detract from all the enlightened information they have filtered into the public domain over the years. It is indicative of the times that secret societies are no longer secret and thanks to you EA for breaking an ancient tradition by revealing the intentions of your group. Intention is the important word here! There'e no mistaking the intentions of the banks, warmongerers and control freaks who infiltrated the secret societies a long time ago and use that information for their own selfish means. What we now need as a world people is this very knowledge of the Templars which has been used against us, still held by secret societies such as your own. In particular, knowledge about the true nature of ourselves and how to access free energy would be most useful for starters. Can you help? Many thanks, Lancelot

[FrankoL]

Hi Edward, I saw your last post. To be honest I haven't red it nor I have gone throughout your thread ... I just saw numbers on your profile 11.01.2011 = join date, 111 posts and 1 thank you. WOW...

Would you please explain 1111 phenomena (whatever you might know on the topic)?

[Ernie Nemeth]

One is a very significant number, symbolizing truth.

[NewFounderHome]

Hello Edward,

I would like to ask a very simple question. It might even seem naïve!
Why the need of secrecy of groups, rituals, information, history and actions of certain humans.

Aren’t all humans on this earth for the same reasons?

Where and how would secrecy be good for all of human kind, good for our awareness and good for this earth?

Peace and love to you all. ;)

[Sierra]

Hi Sierra,,im sorry to do so but im going to play his advocate..
first i dont think you should talk to any one here like you do,,the more since your name is written in orange..please be the change so friggin necesary...

Don't be sorry Lotse. You are honest and true and you speak clearly and it is to my benefit. How could I object? I love you for it. You took the time to read what I said, and respond to each of my points showing me what was in your head to what I said. That allows me to see where I went off the rails in what I was trying to say.

My temper. Anyone who has been around for awhile, knows I struggle with my temper (Stupid Mars in Scorpio, I hate you.) I apologize to you and to Avalon. I also have Saturn sitting 1 degree from my sun sign, so you can be SURE I will be busted with great regularity by my fellow Avaloners if I step wrong in the next two years. <Eeeks.>, This is a huge advantage in one way because growth will be accelerated, if I listen as I am busted. I'm listening Lotse and thank you, thank you, thank you for your response. I am honored that you took the time and energy and with heart, to do this for me.

Let me start over with politeness in mind and try again. This will be my last attempt and then I am off this thread. Let me change my terminology a little, maybe that will help.

My intent was to describe the differences between a magician and a master. I have noticed when I get really mad on a thread, I figure out later, my anger is a cover up for fear. So, what was I afraid of? I was afraid Avaloners would get sucked in without a chance to think. I did not present the my thoughts to lynch anyone, I presented the evidence so choices can be made with discernment. Even if none here now, maybe someone six months from now will read the thread, see what the differences are and go yikes, I don't want to go there...

My list of flags was a list of magician attributes that a master would never have. So here we go again with the list and I'll try to explain again without rudeness. I've snipped and cut in all sorts of places in an attempt to shorten this post but it is too difficult to show where, but the original post is still here.



Your attitude of no thanks or gratitude.
ITS NOT DISRESPECT..ITS HIS CARACTER AND HE IS VERY UNSURE BOUT HIM SELF..see his body lang. in his you tube vid...he dousnt make him self bigger as he is out of disrespect.

Are you saying he is a Grand Master because of insecurity? Dolling, this statement makes me want to tear my hair out. If he is insecure, he is no grand master, if he is secure, then why is he claiming to be greater and holier than thou? What is the agenda of separation and division into superior and inferior?

I am hearing worry from this thread that a magician can get his feelings hurt. Go back and read what was said about the imperviousness of a magician's feelings. The path of a magician is not a path of service to others, it is a path of power without the consciousness, permission and guidance of the spirit. As power is acquired in this manner, the ego is transformed, not the heart. Without the heart, which is the seat of feelings, all feelings become about the ego, control, power, separation and the list goes on. Feelings getting hurt is not a issue here.

Energy goes where focus goes, so the poor heart is lost. Nothing I say or you say or anyone says, will affect the surety, the arrogance, the steel belief of an Illuminati magician, that he or she is superior to you and I. This attribute of ego is visible and literally spoken out loud in this thread if you go back and read some posts. This is visible as well in a lack of understanding, a blindness to the need for gratitude and thankfulness. One doesn't feel gratitude and thankfulness unless one knows love. Without love, clanging bells and cymbals, that is all.

If someone is a true and real master, he or she will be congruent. They will not have [removed list of behaviors found on the web, you can do homework too] ... these are not things masters do. By the time a master is a master, they know how to make a living without imposition or usage of other humans. A master is SPECIFIC, not GENERIC. If a master is talking to you, they address directly your inner spiritual state, they do not throw the book at you about everything they ever read and stored on a website. Please, raise your standards people!



... and you ignore the impact of your arrogance on this thread and your agenda. This is not intelligent behavior.
HE WAS BORN IN THE ROLE HE PLAYS..HIS FATHER MIGHT HAD CHOSEN A INTELLIGENT ,VOCAL AND SOCIAL BETTER SKILLED LEADER FOR HIS ORDEN..BUT HEY,,THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS..ITS WITH KINGS THE SAME..PITTY RIGHT?

We are all born in the role we play. Quite a few Avaloners come from an Illuminati background or have suffered or continue to suffer through MK Ultra. If stating claims of "Grand Master" status ... you have to be able to back it up with congruent, classic master behavior. If you set yourself up as a master, expect to be held to a higher standard and stiff scrutiny.



You speak only in regurgitated pap, I have not learned one new thing yet in this thread ...
I THINK HE IS FAR FROM A PROPHET..LIKE HE KNOWS..BUT HE DOUS HAVE A MESSAGE FOR THE MASS..JUST..WERE NOT THE MASS.

Hmmm... yes messages are everywhere but do messengers everywhere set themselves up as Lordly Masters of Old? This is a very important point Lotse.

A magician cannot contribute creative and original material to the matrix. Their energy work is not done on the spiritual level where creativity and originality come from. That is why no new material is a warning flag of magician's work. Everything spoken of on this thread, is already out there on Avalon or the web. If nothing new, there is no mastery and the claim of mastery is false.

I believe when one is ready for a master, you wake up and every one, every thing, every event is a teacher. And the reason everything is a teacher and an answer is because the answers are internal coming from the High Self ... you see it everywhere because it is you. I hope that makes sense. All you've done is woken up. You are the master. You may have wet wings, but you are the master.

One doesn't need a master that *claims* to be a master. Please. How can this be rocket science? I sincerely do not understand Lotse. According to everything I've ever read, across any discipline, any century, any country, any religion, and any brush with the divine, where all accounts, without knowing of each other across time and space, describe the same journey of self-mastery. Enough reading and you can recognize the universality of the human experience of heart ignition. Enough self work and you begin to see dimly face to face, your High Self. At that point, you really could care less what someone else has to say.

A master will not regurgitate, they speak to the soul, the moment, the crisis, the very energy of that point in time.



The Great White Brotherhood / Koot Humi paradigm
SAME STORY AS POINT NR 2..HE GOT BORN IN TO IT..BIT LIKE AMERIAN PRESIDENTS..THERE DOING THERE JOBS WITH OUT ASKING THEM SELF..IS THIS OK WHAT IM DOING..AND WHO AM I DOING IT WITH?..it worked till here..might be over soon.

Uh, quite a few Avaloners were born into it, MK Ultra'ed into it and you don't see them setting themselves up as Masters. It really and only is the claim of masterhood and elevation of self over others to which I object. It should be completely obvious why I object. If one makes those kind of claims in my hearing, I am going to look and examine the basis, and validity of those claims. I have looked and I find the claims wanting, in my honest and hopefully, politer opinion here.



Top level is always male in the dying patriarchy paradigm....im sure there are demensions were its the other way around..strange..womans are mental stronger as men,,why is it only men are in these ordens on top,,ehum,,what about queen Elisabeth?

Women are mentally stronger than men? I don't think so, it is certainly not what I meant to say. Queen Elizabeth? I don't know. Did she set herself up as the head of an Illuminati Order? She did have an Astrologer/Magician named Dee in her court. As to why only men head these orders, well that is the dying patriarchy paradigm! Men in control! Women in submission and silence accepting male dispensations! Only male or power or control items of concern on any agenda! Now isn't this just ringing bells when it comes to religion as well? Ppphhhhtt....

I was trying to say that the patriarchal paradigm is passing away. I am saying we are leaving the limitations of patriarchy behind and self limitation is something every magician suffers from, simply because of the focus and where the energy and power is being drawn from (i.e. not the spirit). If a magician finds it necessary to focus and speak on the fact that only men can lead, only the master can bring up plans, choose plans, direct and order and execute the resources and energy of a group, heavens ... how can this not bring a frisson to the gut? Why would a god clothed in flesh even look at such a paradigm as viable anymore? Read the words again, about power over others and ask yourself, do those words sound as if they come from a practitioner of the spirit or of the occult?

By words and attitudes, showing power and control *is the focus*, a magician will attempt to limit those he or she considers inferior to be silent, accept dispensations and give energy in return in some form. That is all they want. Same old, same old. This is classic behavior of the patriarchal paradigm. Nuff said.



Speaks in terms of the occult, not the spiritual
why not..if thats how he learned to speak?..

Well. How do I put this. If one wishes to follow one who learned his behavior from the occult, not the spiritual, then yikes. Live dangerously I guess. I also guess as a member of Avalon, I can point out that this is living dangerously and I am endeavoring to make my point without rudeness. But this is a subject truly deserving of stiff and harsh examination from my perspective. It is you guys I care about.

I would believe a magician should he or she say they will not be and cannot be, bothered by anything we say. If that is what they say, listen, if such responses are congruent with that lack of affect. Believe it. A magician cares very little about the opinions and feelings of others unless they provide an opportunity for his or her agenda. Please, don't be the opportunity unless you choose with your eyes open, to walk this kind of path.



Call yourself grand master, obsessed with bloodlines, so Illuminati of you.
he is prolly not the only one calling him that..btw..many Avalonians are as it looks like..he might be obsessed..but not with bloodlines al though it plays a huge role in his live.

This is what a magician calls him or her self. This is where a magician puts their focus. This is where a magician wants those who look at them, to put their focus. I'm saying, look at the desire for that kind of focus, and ask yourself, does it come from the spirit?



The way you speak of balance: You say yourself, balance is *so* important but the way you speak of balance sets off alarm bells. And let us understand, the Illuminati, as Avalon understands the term, are *very* concerned with balance. They do good deeds in their external world to "balance" what they do in their internal world of Illuminati practices. This is not what you and I think of as balance people, believe me.
YES THE BALLANE THING DISTURBED ME TO..ITS LIKE ..WE HAVE CLEAN ON ONE SIDE AND DIRTY AT THE OTHER..LETS MAKE MORE SPACE SO THERE AN BE MORE OF BOTH.....I RATHER CLEAN THE DIRTY PART INDEED!..SO LETS BE GOOD TO PEOPLE..ALL!! PEOPLE.

I ... heh! I ... hah! <clearing throat> I don't see magicians as the type to be exposing or cleaning or processing comments that ... offer such opportunity. Magicians HIDE the personal, specific or experiential. The attributes of honesty and openess would place a magician in severe danger.

Lotse, I am being good. I'm going to get the crap beat out of me again, in order to leave something useful here for future readers. Or so I hope it will be useful.



PLEASE DONT CALL HIM ILLUMINATIE ANY MORE..COUSE HE IS NOT THE KIND OF ILLUMINATIE YOU CALL HIM.

I don't know that Lotse. I can only go on a magician's choice of words, attitudes, subjects of conversation. Nothing said here points to the spirit.



HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRUTH YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OFF WITH OUT TALKING ABOUT SCAREY BEINGS?..NOT THAT YOU SHOULD FEAR THEM..BUT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE TRAP THEY TRY TO CATCH ANY ONE IN.

I am talking about scary beings Lotse. Scary magician beings who abuse power or con artist magician beings who practice trickery on other humans. To recognize fear mongering is a critical piece of discernment. We seem to be aware of it where the PTB are concerned on a political level, now we need to be aware of it at the specific and personal. In my honest opinion, this is what it looks like. I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm trying to say what I see.

Look at it this way, from the perspective of a magician and a magician's High Self. When a magician gets to the point in their journey that they ask their High Self, is this okay what I am doing with what I have been given? What would the spirit say?

This is the time of shift as prophesied by the Hopi. Not too much time left before the door closes and we are locked in to our choice. Now there is scary if you want scary. Got me shaking in my boots. Nuff said.



JUST DONT READ IT..COUSE THE THOUGHTS IT GIVES YOU ABOUT THE GUY ARE HORRIBLE..

Not horrible, just empty and false. A distraction. A risk. A chasing after the external rather than sitting down and getting acquainted with the internal.



hope its clear he didnt choose his job..neather did they choose him..more often you see a forced style of expressing them self..never the less..they try the best they can.

Yes, but a magician will chose to be a Grand Master, rather than to master the self. It is a choice of paths.



HE DID STAY CALM EVEN AFTER ALL WHAT PPL CALLED HIM..

A magician can stay calm. A magician of an ancient Illuminati bloodline with full occult training if you can see what that statement implies, has no problem with cold and locked emotional control. Easy peasy. Any emotional presentation by a magician is controlled to produce a specific emotional response in another. There is nothing we can throw at a magician that will jar the conviction of superiority, the assumption of controlled patience as a strategy.



BUT OK..A OCCULTIST OR SPIRITUAL TEACHER ISNT NECESARELY A BRIGHT INTELLIGENT PERSON..OBV HE JUST NEEDS A LOT LOT LOT OF PRACTISE...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ED..

No, but mastery, real mastery makes you a genius in the eyes of 3D humans. If someone is coming off rather not, then it is a good signal this is not a master but an occultist. A transmission of energy or power for transformation of self which is what mastery is about. Just sayin. Not web documents...



IF YOU HELP 3 PERSONS IN YOUR LIFE TIME ITS VERY GOOD!.IF YOU HURT NO ONE IN YOUR LIFE TIME.ITS CALLED IMPOSSIBLE!
You got that right! :kiss:




love you Sierra :wave:
-Lotse-

I am sorry for my nastiness Lotse and I did not mean to upset you... I do have to be hauled back by the scruff of the neck every so often and I thank you for doing it. I thank you for being kind and honest while doing so. Your way left my ego fairly quiet so I could speak to my issue here. Thank you.

I hope we can just agree to disagree and I'll disappear from the thread now until if and when EA decides to get frackin or as you say, friggin real. I hope I have spoken with greater clarity and you see my intent is to help, not harm. This has got to be the longest post I've ever written, I apologize for that. Not an easy subject to compress.

Love you Lotse, lots :hug:

I thank this thread for teaching me what a master should look like. Thank you.

Sierra bowing to Lotse and Avalon

[Mike]

Sierra,

for the record, i appreciate your spunk and sassyness and liveliness and passion. if you feel you must dial it back, please don't dial it back too much. it's what makes you, you! i'm certainly not advocating disrespect, but it might get a little boring here if we were all overly polite or too politically correct.

keep up the good work!;)

[Deedee]

Thank you for your post Sierra.. it was filled with clarity and substance... p.s.. I did thank you for your post. Just a reminder though - as equals - no bowing is necessary... Deedee

[andrewgreen]

Are you of the belief that humans had to go through the period of darkness with a lack of spirituality and monolithic religions as part of our evolution. We needed to develop our individuality in order to further develop spiritually so we could again be united with higher spiritual being but not succumb to their influence. Is your job as secret societies to lead us out of the darkness?

[StateOfTheHeart]

Sierra (and others),

I think you're misinterpreting the term Grand Master and Edward's claim of it. Grand Master is the title given to the supreme head of the Order - a title which, as Edward explained, in his order, is passed on through lineage and not necessarily based upon knowledge or experience. So in being the son of the previous Grand Master, Edward was born into and then given this role at a very young age because of the early loss of his father (if I'm remembering what he said correctly); a role which, I'm sure, requires much work and and many responsibilities - not merely a pretty name to impress people with. When Edward says he is the Grand Master, he's telling us his position in the Order and thus giving an indication of his experience and access to knowledge - which is highly relevant to this thread. I don't think Edward is stating his position as Grand Master with the conscious intention to proclaim any superiority.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Lord Sidious]

Sierra (and others),

I think you're misinterpreting the term Grand Master and Edward's claim of it. Grand Master is the title given to the supreme head of the Order - a title which, as Edward explained, in his order, is passed on through lineage and not necessarily based upon knowledge or experience. So in being the son of the previous Grand Master, Edward was born into and then given this role at a very young age because of the early loss of his father (if I'm remembering what he said correctly); a role which, I'm sure, requires much work and and many responsibilities - not merely a pretty name to impress people with. When Edward says he is the Grand Master, he's telling us his position in the Order and thus giving an indication of his experience and access to knowledge - which is highly relevant to this thread. I don't think Edward is stating his position as Grand Master with the conscious intention to proclaim any superiority.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're pretty switched on, for a victorian, that is. :p

[Lazlo]

Grand Master by birthright is even less impressive than Grand Master by merit. Kind of hard to lead the rituals of a secret, venerable, and ancient order in Norway from over the web in Argentina. Ahh, the miracle of Skype.

[Poly Hedra]

QUESTION : Edward, are you aware of the Carlos Castenada books?

One thing that really stands out for me is the way you describe how to get out of the cycle of living endless lives like this, which is to remain conscious when dying. What Don Juan said was (paraphrasing) the aim of the sorcerer was to build up enough enery in this life so as to remain conscious at the moment of death so the the warrior would could experience the totality of all.

He also mention in only one or two sentences in those books about something influencing the human race. Interesting.

Edward, do you have an opinion on this information, or anyone else too. :)

[seff34]

"The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self- confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness."
"...the black magicians. Think for a moment, can you deviate from the path that they've lined up for you? No. Your thoughts and your actions are fixed forever in their terms. That is slavery."
"Warriors fight self importance as a matter of strategy, not principle. Your mistake is to understand what I say in terms of morality."
carlos castaneda

[Edward Alexander]

Sorry for having been to busy to really contribute with much lately, I'll try catch up as soon its possible for me.

Regarding those comments on me being a Grand Master: I do NOT claim that I am some sort of spiritual master, guru, prophet, wise man, or any such thing, in no way am I saying that I am of more knowledge, enlightened, worth, or anything else, than anyone else of you. Grand Master, as someone above kindly pointed out, is a TITLE. It is NOT something I just call myself, it is the representation of what position I have in the ORDER - not as person. It is the common title given to the person leading and in charge of such orders and societies and has nothing to do with my own knowledge, insights, understanding and so on, except for having such within the Order of course, and I never intended to come forth as someone perceiving himself as some sort of Guru or Master, I am strongly against such terms as I said earlier, we are ALL Masters & Teachers, we ALL have something to learn that others can teach, and we all got something to teach, that others can learn from us.

Just wanted to make that part clear, since a lot of confusion seem to have been the result of people not being aware of this, and to some degree I may be to blame for that myself since I did not think of the fact that many people probably are not familiar with such titles.

Thus, I do NOT claim to be any Master or Guru or any form of "Authority" in anything. Nor do I want anyone to perceive me that way as I do not want to be taken for anything more than anyone else.

Thanks, and I will get back to properly respond all those previous posts as soon as I can but felt I had to clear up this.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

Edward, your take on hypnosis, the role of the third eye (pineal) and the human body in general doesn’t resonate with me.

You posed the question:

Why would a phenomena like this exist at all in human beings, for what purpose, and how did it get part of our physiological makeup? There's absolutely no logical sense to it…

Could the purpose of hypnosis not be as part of some repair kit?

Using the analogy of the human body as a computer: The computer may be infected with a virus and cease functioning properly - now, computers have no innate healing mechanism, so - at this point the options are to use specialised anti-virus software, to identify and remove the virus, or otherwise completely wipe the hard-drive and reinstall the OS or finally purchase a completely new computer, a new set of hardware.

To minimise costs and losses, the preferred method is obviously anti-virus software

Now back to the case of the human body: the mind may be ‘infected’ by poor conditioning (virus: self-directed or otherwise), such as substance or emotional addiction etc., which severely affects proper function. Humans do have an innate self-healing mechanism but suppose the necessary will were lacking... Short of the fatal remedy of suicide (new PC) or a catastrophic nervous breakdown (HD wipe, reinstall OS) – may not hypnosis (anti-virus) be used to identify the fault and re-write that conditioning to aid the individual onto a process of proper healing? That makes logical sense to me.

(Unlike you, I have no personal experience on the matter – merely raising a point for discussion – though have heard of interesting hypnosis experiences (Psych-K, regression))
- - - - -

Well, if Hypnosis was part of an automatic self-defense procedure, compared to a Computer with an Antivirus Software installed that monitors everything and takes action to remove "intrusions" and "viruses", that could have made a valid point.

The case however is that hypnosis is NOT automatic, it is not something that protects you in any way whatsoever, to the contrary it is more like the very virus that ALLOWS access to the Computer, as a backdoor, a trojan. It is possible to use hypnosis to gain extreme control and influence over people, as I'm sure you agree, and also as seen as a major method for mind control, programming, brainwashing and so on.

It is not to say hypnosis can't be used for anything beneficial, as obviously that is the goal of Hypnotherapy and such, but this still needs an "operator", the Hypnotist, to access the Person, and put something good into the system - somewhat comparable to how one could use a backdoor in someones computer system, a virus that is, to do good work and not harm even though the reason the backdoor / virus exist is to do harm.

The fact of the matter remains, that hypnosis and its related methods is mainly used for negative purposes in the world, and there is no logic in implementing per design a system into a human being that would be so open for abuse if its real intention was to serve for something good.



Regarding your statement:
…humans are per design created to be as open as possible in so many different ways to truly maximize the effects of influence and create a high success rate for achieving such manipulation.

I would have to agree; and while I don’t think any form of external control is positive, I don’t see negative exploitation as being the only purpose or explanation…

For analogy: Plants have receptor sites for sunlight, fresh air and healthy nutrients but may be subjected to nasty artificial light, polluted air and toxic fertiliser. Likewise, children have eyes, ears and other senses such that they may be presented with truth, joy and other positive experiences – or they may be given hell…

How is it that the human faculties and the technique of hypnosis only have negative purposes?

May we not be showered in love and positive information (which I believe we are - see Sun) – rather than the current influx which you’ve mentioned prior and which we are all well aware of?

I feel that the approach you’ve taken to hypnosis, the pineal gland and the human body in general is biased in a negative way and may cause an unnecessary dismissal or resentment to potentially useful tools for the individual and I'd be interested to hear your reasoning behind such a conclusion.

Again, as said above, these elements of our being CAN be used beneficially if used properly and with understanding and correct applications. That is more about us taking advantage of the discovery of these systems implemented with the purpose of controlling us, and rather "backfire" upon its actual function and purpose.

Of course these elements of our being ARE useful tools thus when appropriately approached and can be used to great beneficial and benevolent applications. And learning to do so, and taking positive use of these implemented systems, instead of staying in what I can only call an state open for intrusion, would be something everyone should do.

[Edward Alexander]

G'day Edward Alexander,

Thank you for the discussion and your calm courteous demeanor.

Many sages have counseled against the deliberate cultivation of "siddhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi)" (supernatural powers).
Siddhi are viewed as distractions to "self-awareness".
You have made mention of them repeatedly.

I am curious why?
I am not familiar with eastern / buddhistic terminology so I had to check your link. But if I understand your question correctly, you are asking why I promote to develop and understand such "supernatural powers", or "psychic abilities"?

If that is the question, the answer is that doing so can be the first path towards the work on "self-awareness" for a large amount of people. Working on systems that stimulate and increases such "abilities" also stimulates and increases your level of self-awareness, and can make a person more easily obtain more insightful experiences from other more direct work towards Self-Realization and understanding. I'm not promoting the mere work of only focusing on such abilities themselves, but to experience them and understand more about yourself and what you are, where the goal should be to venture on and continue on your path of exploration of self towards higher levels of experiences and awareness.

Understanding such aspects of Self also makes you understand more about your connection with the world, other people, events taking place, how you can and do influence and affect different aspects of your reality and the results you get back as the effects of such, and so on.



Many of the techniques and philosophies you mention are familiar to me.
Your explanation for the many Tutankhamen re-incarnates, for example, is not unusual within Eastern (or "Easternised") philosophies.
Many of your posts/explanations are what I would classify as "alternative mainstream" and do not extend beyond "a well trod path".

I would ask what is your purpose to this?
You appear to have one beyond your writings and information dissemination (this is not to say an alternative sinister purpose, just something more).
Again, the purpose of this relates to what I answered above regarding such "powers" and "abilities" as a tool towards the path of Self-Awareness and deeper understanding. There are of course also truths in what you call "alternative mainstream" and the "well trod path" which reflects itself in some of what I write myself, whether I'm aware or not of such being present in this "mainstream" or part of such "well trod paths". My goal on a longer perspective is to help make people aware of certain aspects of reality, themselves and existence, that they can take into consideration and explore, and assist with some practical advice on how to do so with the aim of reaching higher levels of understanding, awareness and ultimately full Self-Realization through their own experiences and observations.



By saying you are from a "secret blood-line" and that you are a "Grand Master" you are creating a form of credentialism for yourself so as to give a form of authority to your words. This seems to have "rubbed people up the wrong way" and detracted from your presentation.

Why would you (or anyone without alternative motives) do this?


Introducing myself as who I am, and my background, served the purpose of letting people know where I have my experience from, what it is based upon, what I've been involved with, and how I've reached the conclusions of the claims I make. It is an overall important part of my life and how I've gotten to where I am, and also an important reason to how I can claim to have knowledge about certain topics relating to areas that connects directly with such secret orders and their involvements, whether "good" or "bad" and where I personally stand in my opinion on such. It is also to inform people about the many misconceptions about such orders, their agendas, practices etc. Then people can make up their own minds from what I say, and hopefully do their own work towards finding the truth themselves which ultimately I can never give them, and they are all completely responsible for themselves.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

OK, glad to see there's no Crowley connection. Here's my take on this. EA gets some credit in my book for returning and being calm and polite in responding to questions/criticism. That's a good sign, but of course just a beginning. Also good that Bill gave that positive if not overwhelming reference earlier.
The whole thing about secrecy, secret societies, my feeling is that they belong to the past. We don't need secrecy any more, it has done so much harm. Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to know all the advanced astral techniques which can be used for harm if in the wrong hands, etc etc. To put it very simply, the problem in this world is not that people don't have enough knowledge of esoteric/occult techniques/knowledge, it is that (over simplification) there is too much technology and not enough wisdom. Not enough spiritual awareness. And the techniques for spiritual awareness - meditation, compassion, self-awareness, forgiveness, etc, are not exactly complicated. It is applying them that is the problem.
So, I'll give whatever spiritual techniques EA suggests, a spin (when he has time to present them and I have time to try them!).
In the meantime, hopefully we all aspire to make this a forum where we practice what we believe in - for me, that's treat others as I would be treated, so at this point I will say thank to EA for an interesting thread, we will see what comes of it.
PS: by an interesting "co-incidence" EA just posted as I was writing. I take this as a positive sign and will give the guided meditation a spin.

Thanks for the opinion and viewpoint. I agree to what you say, and one of my reasons is to make some "secrets" more public so it can be put in positive use and benefit everyone more directly instead of just indirectly.

Hope you will find some use in what I have to give.

-EA

[Edward Alexander]

QUESTION : Edward, are you aware of the Carlos Castenada books?

One thing that really stands out for me is the way you describe how to get out of the cycle of living endless lives like this, which is to remain conscious when dying. What Don Juan said was (paraphrasing) the aim of the sorcerer was to build up enough enery in this life so as to remain conscious at the moment of death so the the warrior would could experience the totality of all.

He also mention in only one or two sentences in those books about something influencing the human race. Interesting.

Edward, do you have an opinion on this information, or anyone else too. :)

Yes I've read a couple of his books and found them interesting. A lot of truth in them, and recommended reading for anyone really as its both interesting, entertaining, inspiring, spiritual and though-provoking giving something to contemplate on.

[Edward Alexander]

Are you of the belief that humans had to go through the period of darkness with a lack of spirituality and monolithic religions as part of our evolution. We needed to develop our individuality in order to further develop spiritually so we could again be united with higher spiritual being but not succumb to their influence. Is your job as secret societies to lead us out of the darkness?

No, to the contrary I see that dark period as something put into effect by purpose, to STOP such evolution. And yes, our mission is to aid and assist mankind towards positive progress and spiritual development, and help towards achieving self-realization and awareness of ones place in existence.

[Edward Alexander]

Hello Edward,

I would like to ask a very simple question. It might even seem naïve!
Why the need of secrecy of groups, rituals, information, history and actions of certain humans.

Aren’t all humans on this earth for the same reasons?

Where and how would secrecy be good for all of human kind, good for our awareness and good for this earth?

Peace and love to you all. ;)

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

[Edward Alexander]

Hi Edward Alexander

Thanks for posting. i have two questions for you:

1.What is your opinion of Barbara Marciniak's books?
2.What is the moon?

Regards,
1. I have never read any books by this author
2. The Moon is just a moon. However, there are things about it that makes it interesting, such as bases, beings living there.

[Edward Alexander]

I don't like how EA, you held back your orders name from us when you had created a blog though. That alone sets off some alarms for me. I also remember reading in one of the links IIRC, that you said "this new order", etc. To me, I think you are either holding a lot back, or not really an order from the 1300s of the highest creed(if thats the right word). I suggest that such an order would have a plan of operations planned for whenever it shows itself to mankind. Not just a clumsy post on forums, where you are liable to be ridiculed hardcore... I mean avalon is like the best forum for testimony there is on the planet..... I'm not saying you are clumsy by normal standards. But when I think of what the most advanced secret orders may have on this planet, I would surmise that a secret society of that breadth would have a plan for it's coming forward given it had 800 years to get that thought.

So do you have a plan to come forward EA? Or is it all just playing it by ear? I'm not saying you have to to be legit. I'm just curious.
I believe what you are referring to is the Order of Noble Knights of Co-Creation, which is a completely different order, one founded by me in collaboration with other high-initiates of different other already existing orders such as Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Martinists etc. This has come into being as a result of my work together with two grand masters of two different orders here locally where I live in establishing a new lodge. This is part of the plan you are asking about though, and it is not only my order or members there who are part of this process I am representing here, there is an involvement with several others.



And please answer this question I came up with, but noticed someone else say very wisely. And do consider this something that will irrepairably break my trust and i bet others if you lie.

Are there any others of your order that are members on Avalon?

Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters.



Either way EA, you wont find ridicule from me. you may find questions that are harder to answer. Or tests of your legitimacy. But no attacks. I do not like the attacks I see happening to you, for a major reasons I said, and others.


Thanks, appreciated.

-EA

[161803398]

Edward: I have something to say that might be important and maybe not. Even though I think you are completely naive on the issue of vegans and the horrors of corporatism in the western cultures; I can immediately recognize you as a totally sincere person who has no intention of dominating, controlling or manipulating anyone. That is totally obvious to me but the only reason it is so obvious to me is because I have a lot of experience with sincere and honest people. You may not realize what types of people others have been exposed to, particularly lately. I think most people now have been lied to so much their heads are spinning. When the world is so bad, that even a person who is just trying to say what he/she thinks is suspect I think we have to say we are all in a lot of trouble.

[panopticon]

G'day Big Ed,

Thank you for your direct response. It is a refreshing change to some.

Your statement:


I'm not promoting the mere work of only focusing on such abilities themselves, but to experience them and understand more about yourself and what you are, where the goal should be to venture on and continue on your path of exploration of self towards higher levels of experiences and awareness... Understanding such aspects of Self also makes you understand more about your connection with the world, other people, events taking place, how you can and do influence and affect different aspects of your reality and the results you get back as the effects of such, and so on.


Illustrates a point that, from my perspective, is important for any who are interested in the cultivation of "self-awareness".
Unfortunately many endeavour to cultivate these "abilities" as an end point outcome without realising, again from my perspective, they are merely distractions. In other words, to deliberately cultivate siddhi re-enforces the illusion/ego and often decreases the understanding of, as you say, 'Self-Awareness and deeper understanding'.

In regards to your introducing yourself as a "Grand Master" etc.
I understand that by doing so you place your opinions/comments in context.
I still don't understand the reason for your needing to do so but shall not dwell on it.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Edward Alexander]

Thanks for your opinions and being forward. Appreciate your kindness.

cheers

[NewFounderHome]

Hello Edward,

I would like to ask a very simple question. It might even seem naïve!
Why the need of secrecy of groups, rituals, information, history and actions of certain humans.

Aren’t all humans on this earth for the same reasons?

Where and how would secrecy be good for all of human kind, good for our awareness and good for this earth?

Peace and love to you all. ;)

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.


I understand that it can have been valid in the past. And the secrecy path has been used right until now, it might have done some good in the past and some might even say then it could have been far worst if it was not done in secrecy. But we don’t know if noting was done in secrecy how all of humanity would really use the new information and would they really let the same kind of elite over them. I t might be the time to change!

Peace and love to you all. ;)

[The One]

Can you be more specific on this


Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters

Various matters of what

[sygh]

The reason for, and the responsibility of, keeping a secret doesn't always lay solely upon the shoulders of the secretor, or the secret society. Had Newton been born in an earlier time (in our not so distant past), the PTB would have tried him as a heretic. They would have burned him while tied to a stake. Adding insult to injury, the crowd standing around would have cheered it on. But we do have Newton's Laws of Physics, don't we, because the era he was born into was favorable. This information is no longer secret and thus, we know Newton's III Law of Physics which states: For every action, there is always an equal reaction of equal magnitude.

Some people don't know this, while others do but don't necessarily think about it, one way or another. The most important aspect of any knowledge is when that knowledge is put to use. There will always be an outer group of people who rely upon the absolute morality of the inner group of people who do carry and utilize differing types of knowledge. So, we are all, in one respect or another, like the character Blanche Dubois, "Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers
." -}

Newton deals with physics and physics deals with the physical. So, why am I mentioning it here? This thread attempts to mix physics with metaphysics, and it seems to be going along quite nicely. For instance:

There is potential energy, then energy under pressure (as in a hydroelectric plant) which is stored, and then there is the kinetic energy which is working energy. Equate this to metaphysics which states from the spirit, to the mental, to the physical. (Potential energy, stored energy, kinetic energy).

While knowledge can be open to the public, there will also always be those people who utilize our sacred knowledge (, and yes, it is sacred, as is our mission on this earth), for immoral purposes, and ill-gotten gain. Like energy, energy in the form of 100% is pure. Split that energy apart, and we still have 100% of the quantity but the quality of the energy will differ, and often times react upon its self.

[sygh]

Question:

Concerning death, as in birth, it is most correct to be alert in the dying process, in order to escape from the cycle of reincarnation, as is the same mode of being in a state of awareness in meditation.

With that knowledge, Edward, are you aware of the reason(s) why you are still with us? Or, is this just one of the many U (s) from the split that chose to forget how to take the next step in order to be here at this time, etc...? I understand what you have said your purpose was. What I'm really trying to get at is finding out just how low the psyches of the others have sunk by comparison to the compassion, or rather, the passion of your society for its purpose. You are probably aware, most of us here are rouges, whether we want to admit it or not. Not that we have ever belonged to a secret society of the fashion we speak of here, we just have some of the knowledge.

[Edward Alexander]

Can you be more specific on this


Yes, and there are several other orders represented here as well by their members, whom are people I know, some of them I collaborate with on various matters

Various matters of what

Matters dealing with how to approach the broader public, what kind of work we will be participating in and how to carry it out properly, establishing a new more open dialogue with the masses, how to put our real agenda and who we are into the general awareness, clearing up misconceptions and the mainly negative viewpoints people have towards us and secret orders and what we stand for, and last but not least build a new and stronger force against the ones that are ruling the world and deceiving mankind.

[Edward Alexander]

Question:

Concerning death, as in birth, it is most correct to be alert in the dying process, in order to escape from the cycle of reincarnation, as is the same mode of being in a state of awareness in meditation.

With that knowledge, Edward, are you aware of the reason(s) why you are still with us? Or, is this just one of the many U (s) from the split that chose to forget how to take the next step in order to be here at this time, etc...? I understand what you have said your purpose was. What I'm really trying to get at is finding out just how low the psyches of the others have sunk by comparison to the compassion, or rather, the passion of your society for its purpose. You are probably aware, most of us here are rouges, whether we want to admit it or not. Not that we have ever belonged to a secret society of the fashion we speak of here, we just have some of the knowledge.

Yes I'm very aware of why I'm here, and the reason for me being here is to continue my work and mission which is to assist mankind and help people understand themselves and existence and be able to distinguish the false from truth, where the main focus being on teaching people how to progress through their own personal experiences. The Society is the People, and if they change, Society changes.

[Edward Alexander]

As a sidenote to the above, anyone can check our official position, intentions and agenda from the general "manifesto" of this new collaboration of high-initiates of different Orders & Society through our public website: www.Co-Creation.tk

[Eva2]

Is Gudni Gudnason a part of your Order?

[Edward Alexander]

I have never heard that name before so no, I doubt it, not a direct part in either case, at best affiliated with some of the orders which whom we consist of. In either case, I will not disclose our members to the public.

[Spellbound]

Hi Edward,

Can you answer some of my questions from before?? In your opinion, what is the origin of mankind?? Where did we come from?? Was it simple evolution from apes to man...or was ET involved (and if so, was ET involved from the beginning or tweaking our DNA along the way)?? In your opinion, what is the true origin of our species??

[Edward Alexander]

Hi Edward,

Can you answer some of my questions from before?? In your opinion, what is the origin of mankind?? Where did we come from?? Was it simple evolution from apes to man...or was ET involved (and if so, was ET involved from the beginning or tweaking our DNA along the way)?? In your opinion, what is the true origin of our species??

ALL earth humans come from other planets. The Human Race is widespread in both our own solar system,the Galaxy, and elsewhere in the Universe. When it comes to our own Solar System there are people, human race beings, currently living on both the Earth, Moon and Mars. Teleportation is a method of travel I have yet not touched much upon, nor will I in this post, but it is a technology I know is here and being used, and also a way contact between these three celestial bodies are maintained by a small group of people whom master this technology.

There is life on the Moon, and a race of ancient people living there. I have been shown that they are walking on the surface, having conflicts with people from Earth, and fighting with eachother. The Moon People have superior technology and the Earth men can do nothing. How they breath I am not sure, perhaps there actually is air on the moon, or perhaps they are inside some sort of shield filled with breathable air. This will only be speculative.

These Moon people predates the Earth people. The people of Earth originally came from Mars via the Moon but also other places. Further back in time, they came from elsewhere in space, and are spread out on large amounts of worlds in different solar systems.

These Moon People also seem to have great spiritual powers, or psychic as some would say, as they seemed to be able to do things most human Earth people can not do, such as using energies manipulated by their minds to fight the enemies etc. It could have been technological, as I was not able to study this in details, but I did not see any physical devices that could have explained these powers they had.

Conflicts are going on, and have been going on for quite some time, between the Earth People, Moon People and Mars People. Mostly it has to do with the Earth People not liking the idea that they are "inferior" due to these more advanced Moon People. They have been fighting in secret for some time, and governments of Earth are doing their best to keep this information away from the People of Earth. Earth and Mars however have a good relation with each other and collaborate together on different projects, exchange knowledge and technology.

Specifically there is one President of Earth that is working hard on keeping this a tight secret and not letting people of the Earth get to know anything about this and hide the truth from the people. He considers them "higher" on the evolutionary scale, and do not like to have someone being above him, nor do those whom support him, and this is mostly what the conflicts are about - Who are "superior" and who are "inferior" to each other.

From personal experience I have seen life on Mars to be real at this moment, structures there, and underground bases and cities. So my own thought is that they must have at some distant time in the past moved from Mars and over to Earth's Moon and lived on the Moon for a while before they continued further to Earth. What periods of time between these incidents there would be, I have no idea of.

The Human race is also widely spread around in the universe, something also confirmed by other people I know who have been working directly with the construction, operation and travels with teleportation portals that are in use and connects several different locations in the universe.

So Mankind is a space-migrational race that have spread out throughout the cosmos and inhabited countless planets to be their homes in solar systems far away, both in time and space, which is also the reason for the different races on Earth since these originally had evolved over time on different planets independently of each other and have come to Earth at different periods of Time - the latter also explaining the sudden rise of new complete civilizations from scratch without any sign of gradual evolution or development from a crude form to a more advanced form.

Of course, this is also the reason for many ancient myths and legends, people called "Gods" flying in the sky, having great powers and abilities, with examples such as the Vimanas of India and artifacts and inscriptions different places of the world reflecting both such crafts and the people operating these.

[kevlar]

Hi Edward
What is your take on the crop circle phenomenon? Also are there any occult connections to stone circles at Avebury and Stonehenge?

Thanks
love kevlar

[TATODAY]

Hi Edward,
would it be possible at some point to get an image or video of people - technologies - manuscripts or any supportive data to flesh out your comments above. I ask for this due to my own curiosity and sense of being out of the ballpark so to speak. I wish to be in the ball park and enjoying all the wonderful insights that some people seem to be witnessing first hand. I would appreciate your comments and thoughts on my suggestions. Thanks..

[grapevine]

Hi Edward Alexander

Thanks for posting. i have two questions for you:

1.What is your opinion of Barbara Marciniak's books?
2.What is the moon?

Regards,
1. I have never read any books by this author
2. The Moon is just a moon. However, there are things about it that makes it interesting, such as bases, beings living there.

Thanks for your reply Edward Alexander. Barbara Marciniak's books are channelled from the Pleidians and she has written a lot of them. Have you even heard of her, given your own background? I also wondered whether the moon was hollow, as I have heard that it resonates like a bell when struck. So if the moon is just a moon, are all moons hollow?

Regards again,

[Ilie Pandia]

ALL earth humans come from other planets. The Human Race is widespread in both our own solar system,the Galaxy, and elsewhere in the Universe. When it comes to our own Solar System there are people, human race beings, currently living on both the Earth, Moon and Mars. Teleportation is a method of travel I have yet not touched much upon, nor will I in this post, but it is a technology I know is here and being used, and also a way contact between these three celestial bodies are maintained by a small group of people whom master this technology.


This is a lovely post but anybody at Avalon who has spent some time reading on the origins of man kind could write something similar. What I would expect from you (having the knowledge you say you have) is to offer some proof or at least evidence to backup your claims.


There is life on the Moon, and a race of ancient people living there. I have been shown that they are walking on the surface, having conflicts with people from Earth, and fighting with eachother.

*How* do you know there is life on the Moon? What have you been shown and by whom?


These Moon people predates the Earth people. The people of Earth originally came from Mars via the Moon but also other places. Further back in time, they came from elsewhere in space, and are spread out on large amounts of worlds in different solar systems.

Again, quite a bold claim backed up by no piece of evidence coming from yourself.



These Moon People also seem to have great spiritual powers, or psychic as some would say, as they seemed to be able to do things most human Earth people can not do, such as using energies manipulated by their minds to fight the enemies etc. It could have been technological, as I was not able to study this in details, but I did not see any physical devices that could have explained these powers they had.

How do you know all this? You say you did not see any physical device. Where was this "seeing" taking place and what were you looking at?


Conflicts are going on, and have been going on for quite some time, between the Earth People, Moon People and Mars People.[...]Earth and Mars however have a good relation with each other and collaborate together on different projects, exchange knowledge and technology.

So which one is it? Conflict or collaboration?


From personal experience I have seen life on Mars to be real at this moment, structures there, and underground bases and cities.

I have to ask again: what kind of personal experience? Can you offer at least some evidence other than your word?


So Mankind is a space-migrational race that have spread out throughout the cosmos and inhabited countless planets to be their homes in solar systems far away, both in time and space, which is also the reason for the different races on Earth

So this is your conclusion based on statements that you do not back up by anything rather that your word.

[Ilie Pandia]

I have never heard that name before so no, I doubt it, not a direct part in either case, at best affiliated with some of the orders which whom we consist of. In either case, I will not disclose our members to the public.

Hm... so it's OK to disclose who is *not* a member.

While looking at your previous online presence I've found this:


To apply, you need to contact me directly at maggador@g....com with topic set to "Order membership request".

(email was obfuscated to avoid spam bots). However this information is publicly available here: http://web.archive.org/web/20101023171144/http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2010/04/invitation-to-apply-for-membership-in.html. Wait for 5+ seconds for the page to load fully.

Is your secret order still accepting email membership requests?

Also could you please confirm that this [darkbreed] is you:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1072632
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1071310

[Omni]

are all moons hollow?

With what I understand of Astronomy models, that seems like an impossibility for nature to not come up with. I'm not saying I'm great at science. Most of my science knowledge was deleted from my mind.... But I do remember a model of how we see things forming in the early solar system and did not think it was an infiltration job, although could be erroneous.

But I'd say all moons are not ny one major characteristic like hollow, or grey, or containing water or the same type of rock etc. Probably TONS of different types IMO. There are many forms of moons, Some are huge rocks by all probabilities I'd think. Or bigger pieces of matter, that gravtitationally attracted more matter, and formed moons.

I am by no means an expert on this. But I do think I can answer if ALL moons are hollow....

[Ilie Pandia]

Regarding those comments on me being a Grand Master: I do NOT claim that I am some sort of spiritual master, guru, prophet, wise man, or any such thing, in no way am I saying that I am of more knowledge, enlightened, worth, or anything else, than anyone else of you. Grand Master, as someone above kindly pointed out, is a TITLE. It is NOT something I just call myself, it is the representation of what position I have in the ORDER - not as person. It is the common title given to the person leading and in charge of such orders and societies and has nothing to do with my own knowledge, insights, understanding and so on, except for having such within the Order of course, and I never intended to come forth as someone perceiving himself as some sort of Guru or Master, I am strongly against such terms as I said earlier, we are ALL Masters & Teachers, we ALL have something to learn that others can teach, and we all got something to teach, that others can learn from us.

Hello,

If your title of Grand Master is irrelevant to you being of "knowledge, enlightened, worth, or anything else, than anyone else" why do you talk about it?

Why can't you simply say: "Hello, I am Edward, and I've been a researcher for so and so years and I have some knowledge that I would like to share with those that are interested". Why bring your secret order and Grand Master title into the discussion and address us as "you, the people"? (see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=296469&viewfull=1#post296469))

[<8>]

Hi Edward....:)

I see you pretty much answered all post but mine, i want to take this opportunity to thank you for this.

Why might one ask, this tells me my spider sense works and the force is strong with in me.

P.s ..if i misst something i apologize

[Omni]

Honestly, if I had to take a stab at it, and I'm not a noob in this area.....

This thread written by me some time ago(before EA posted this thread):

Occult Manipulation with Advanced Technology for Psy Ops and TPTB Manipulation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25964-Implications-of-the-Occult-Technology-influences-that-could-be-happening)

could really be what is going on with Edward. I acknowledge my perspective is possible to have flaws, just like anyone. I'm not saying this is something that has been proven to me. Some things have been proven to me, that I highly doubt Edward is as masterful as he thinks in terms of fighting darker forces. And this is one major reason why I think twice(or 20 times) about this story and testimony. That is not to say I throw it out....

EA has MK signs, more than his share. I can detect these signs as from exact personal experience with the SAME tactic. Now judging this is hard. If you judge things with only like 3-8 red flags, you're gonna be wrong at times. But it's there.

An order with the strictest recruiting processes, or some of the strictest I've imagined I guess(this isn't normal type of info to me), somehow now accepting members by email submission? Another red flag.

Hiding what the orders name is from us when the blog about it was already published... Red flag. Like it was someone trying to design intrigue in people deliberately and not being open and sincere with his offerings(at the level I am and many others are anyway). That is borderline unethical manipulation. Or some sort of thought process that doesn't resonate to me as a masterful or a master TAUGHT person(unless mind controlled, then it can be that very easily).

EA seems to think he is more powerful than any dark force in the entire universe in a human incarnation. Now I'm not saying this is not POSSIBLE. But given my experiences, we all have a physical body. And that physical body can be attacked, like tripping the puke trigger in your brain. Let me tell you, when they do this, there is nothing you can do to stop it(from my experiences in a strong way anyway there is no chance to learn to stop it, it just comes out).......

If you can put a large steel fork in a microwave, and make it, WITH YOUR MIND, not react to that environment when its on for 20 minutes, talk to me then about stopping any apex dark force in the universe, and I'll be more intrigued.... I don't foresee EA being able to do stuff like that. So I think they are hiding behind facades of how powerful they are to him.

The amount of attention given him probably does mean soul potential given his material.

Anyway, I just figured Avalon could gain from my thoughts. They are a little dissenting from EA's claims of his truth. But I respect the man until given a reason not to. I'm not judging him as a person. I'm not saying my subjective reality is number one. I'm just saying given my experiences, considerations, and facts from this thread(I have not checked the last however many pages due to ignoring this thread for a while), etc with my thoughts on it.

EA this isn't an attack, I hope you don't see it as that. I'm not saying my current thoughts about you are RIGHT. I just really think it's possible given my reality "goggles" and feel it should be noted for Avalonians to read. Not trying to convert people to my view to be clear...

[Ilie Pandia]

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

This is rather strange.... the "dark side" has all the toys and for us they must be kept secret? It would have made sense to hide them so that the bad boys don't get them... but we are beyond that now... aren't we?

[Lord Sidious]

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

This is rather strange.... the "dark side" has all the toys and for us they must be kept secret? It would have made sense to hide them so that the bad boys don't get them... but we are beyond that now... aren't we?

Did you consider that if you had access to things before the right time, you might BE the dark side?
Isn't that all through the star wars story?

[passiglight]

the op is a complete fraudster i already confirmed this,,,,

incidentally the op was banned from ats, for trolling,,,,which is not very remarkable ,,,but considering their connections i think they ought to be in the know about walter mitty dudes like our poor alexander

[Ilie Pandia]

OK, looking deeper into your online presence there are few sites that have showed up:

Here as "darkbreed" - http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=213221
You blog on blogger: http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/ with your bio here: http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2009/05/background-of-maggador-ix-777.html
You have a facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maggador-Edward-Alexander/162205180511826

Another order of yours: http://order-of-co-creation.blogspot.com/
You say is *not* your "Secret Order" but its description is the same:


Meeting ground and community exclusively for initiated members with background in:
The Freemason Order, Martinist Order, Rosicrucian Order, Knights Templar et al.

This order has a Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Order-of-Noble-Knights-of-Co-Creation/232291473480504

You have a Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/pleiadiantalk#p/a/u/0/oc7gMIwD7Bc
where you are known as: pleiadiantalk

You're a member of the "Great White Brotherhood" as you say on your Youtube channel:

Pleiadian Talk - Perspectives from a member of the Great White Brotherhood by IX-777 Maggador.

http://www.americanatlantis.com/ seems to be another one of your sites.

This forum also has your name on it: http://www.conspiraciesforums.com/YaBB.pl

You are member of GodLikeProdutions under the username of Maggador: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1617248/pg1

Other sites you have membership on include:
http://psychic.bitwine.com/psychics/49291-maggador
http://www.stumbleupon.com/stumbler/maggador/review/42150012/ (here you talk about your secret order in May 2010)

Another website that seems to be yours: http://www.suppressedstories.com/


As I've mentioned on a previous post you seem to be a member on digitalpoint.com, and your purpose is to create sites where to try out different ways to monetize the visitors. See

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1071310
and
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1072632

There still are many more pages in the online archives about "darkbreed", "Maggador", "Edward Alexander" and such, but I'll just limit myself to this, for now.

So please, before moving on to creating content and back links to your money making sites, I would ask you to clarify your position on this, as your tactics are strictly forbidden on this forum.

Also clarify why would a Great Master of a secret order seem to have a problem with making money.

PS: this is a serious post and an answer is necessary. Please do not ignore it.

[Omni]

......

from one of those links these are some of his domains for sale(in the past):

fastblast.net
load-me.com
nonfatal.net
quitefree.net
sexflow.nets
surfloader.com
the-cures.net
nyrd.net
drugpit.com
drugplace.nett
casinobetters.com
truth-n-lies.com
bushvideos.net
politicsvideos.net
______________
Sex, drugs, politics, casinos.... Perhaps just a domain dumper. I don't hold the domains people have against them I guess in just the selling market. But it's a tiny dot to have in one possible thesis I consider.

[ThePythonicCow]

from one of those links these are some of his domains for sale:
I believe those were for sale a while (couple years, IIRC) back, but are not presently for sale by him.

[Morgaine]

Wow Ilie! That's some research right there..
It's kind of disappointed me in a way, because I really want Edward to be genuine. But I must say you present a compelling argument against the legitimacy of his claims.
If the reason he's here as you say, is to simply (in an extraordinarily convoluted fashion I must say) generate traffic towards his money making websites, then he is a charlatan who does so much damage to the alternative mind set in the quest for the truth.
Edward needs to come forward and clearly state his intentions here, and prove that he has a genuine reason for presenting all this information.
It disappoints me to learn that people are self-serving and manipulative, like I need any more reasons to be cynical!

M

[Tenzin]

I explained this previously, but to put it shortly the reason for secrecy is due to such knowledge they consist of or can give have a high potential for abuse, it is already being abused by others whom gained access to it such as the "Elite" and those in power now.

This is rather strange.... the "dark side" has all the toys and for us they must be kept secret? It would have made sense to hide them so that the bad boys don't get them... but we are beyond that now... aren't we?

Did you consider that if you had access to things before the right time, you might BE the dark side?
Isn't that all through the star wars story?

Something makes me want to really trust you! ;)

[Edward Alexander]

There still are many more pages in the online archives about "darkbreed", "Maggador", "Edward Alexander" and such, but I'll just limit myself to this, for now.

So please, before moving on to creating content and back links to your money making sites, I would ask you to clarify your position on this, as your tactics are strictly forbidden on this forum.

Also clarify why would a Great Master of a secret order seem to have a problem with making money.

PS: this is a serious post and an answer is necessary. Please do not ignore it.

Yes, as everyone else I'm visiting and member of many different websites.

My posts has nothing to do about money, I don't make any money from anyone visiting my website. All my material is free and always have been, and always will be. I've been spreading information for many years through both my website as well as this and other forums. And that's what it is for.

Nor do I have a problem with making money as you suggest, I run two businesses and am doing very well.

You will not see me posting anything to try make money from it, there's never even been an intention of such things as suggested in the first place.

[Bollinger]

It would be quite funny if it wasn't sad that there are people in this world who, for a variety of reasons, derive a great deal of satisfaction, and other things besides, from drawing attention to themselves.

The Avalon community are a very open-minded set of people, and of course this can sometimes be a very great disadvantage; anyone who claims to “know” something because they “belong” somewhere without any evidence to back it up, is taken at face value and afforded the platform to air their “knowledge” for all to consume.

Do you notice what salesmen do? First, they tell you all about the wonderful product, how good it is and how it will solve all your problems. Then they proceed to speak on it with authority. Then they try to form a rapport with you by speaking on subjects in which he has discovered you have some interest. All this usually takes a lot of time and effort but the end goal is to “sell” or cause you to "believe" in something for some purpose. I can see no evidence here that the motive is to inspire and enlighten. There is evidence though that it might be driven by a monetary consideration.

As it turns out, in this case, Ilie has managed to find evidence that would suggest there is an ulterior motive at play by doing some homework. I myself would not have even bothered because the lack of evidence speaks for itself.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that for some people, deceiving others, for whatever purpose, is “fair game”. I think I speak for the majority on the Avalon forum that deception is not a nice thing for a human being to undertake and it should not be taken lightly.

I have my own methods of repelling deception and no doubt others have theirs but if there is a rule-of-thumb to be followed, it must surely be the commission of real evidence. Provide this, and I’ll listen, otherwise, as Hume once said, it is probably sophistry and illusion.

Having said that, one should be careful not to dismiss everything that sounds too fantastic since there might be some modicum of truth in it and time should be afforded for the evidence to follow through. Otherwise, we stop being human beings and start being machines that act according to a predefined set of algorithms.

[Ilie Pandia]

My posts has nothing to do about money, I don't make any money from anyone visiting my website. All my material is free and always have been, and always will be.

Unfortunately that is not the case here. You have been given a chance to come clean and explain yourself, but you chose to ignore the links I've posted.

Your main site, the one that you promoted right from the beginning, is full of AdSense. Ad Sense is used to make money from the visits to your site. To claim differently is a lie.

Not only that but on your web site right column, you promote books sold via Amazon and you earn a commission out of referrals.

So maybe you are not selling stuff directly yourself, but you do a promotion job and you do make money from the people that visit your website.

The links I've previously posted (and you did not address), especially this one http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1071310 , clearly show you know what AdSense is, what Pay Per Click is and how to optimize your websites for that.

Many thanks to bitworm who helped with the research. Awesome work there :).

This thread will remain here, but it will be altered as to not drive traffic to any of Edward's web sites, unless someone is really keen on visiting them, and then that's their own choice.

This forum will not be used as a marketing tool.

Thread Closed. :closed:

[Ilie Pandia]

Closing post has been updated. The thread will be edited and cleaned up as to remove any active links to Edward's sites.