Defense Against the Psychopath

[nearing]

Summary from YT:

Defense Against the Psychopath is a documentary excerpted from chapter one of my book; The Art of Urban Survival. Teaches people how to recognize and defend against our society's most dangerous predators, psychopaths.

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I have had very intimate run-ins with a few psychopaths and I can tell you from personal experience that this video is SPOT ON.

They usually prey upon the spiritually aware and kind people. They are energetic vampires in this regard. One must keep their defenses up and their wits about them constantly.

[christian]

Just stumbled across this video and found it quite good... :thumb:

[ceetee9]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

[donk]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

...that it is controlled by psychopaths, and they are good at what they do...

[Freed Fox]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

That we are better at looking outside for problems, than inside for solutions.

If a house is devastated by termites, what do you do? Seek them out one-by-one? No; you rebuild the house, better than before.

I'm only just seeing how this can be more than a simple metaphor, so please forgive me for not having more to offer for the time being.

It is no simple thing. No easy thing.

[donk]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

That we are better at looking outside for problems, than inside for solutions.

If a house is devastated by termites, what do you do? Seek them out one-by-one? No; you rebuild the house, better than before.

I'm only just seeing how this can be more than a metaphor, so you'll forgive me for not having more.

I don't see "society" as "devestated"...it's not about seeking them out one-by-one (but I believe that is eventually necessary), the video points out: the first step is identifying the problem.

Not everyone in your house knows what these "termites" can do. Sure, they need to take care of their "inner problems", but that does not mean that "outside problems" don't exist...and in some cases cause just as much damage to an individual.

I believe it is a psychopathic program this mindset to "go within" to the exclusion of external problems, the old "blame the victim".

I also believe it is not to late, the house is not devestated--we do not yet need to rebuild the house, we need to spread awareness of the termite infection in so doing eenlisting others in treating the "house" before total devestation....I personally find educating people on the existence of this "anti-human mindset" we call psychopathy is an important tool for self improvement (which I totally agree is an essential component in societal improvement).

"Civilization" is the construct of psychopathic forces, hoisted on to "society" for their purposes. Recognizing that this is a cage, and does not need to be our "house", will allow "society" to choose something else. Inner work is essential, but exteral reality exists, and is important...solipsism is another clever tool of the psychos, IMO

[donk]

I think this guy points out a real good piece of the “societal” puzzle, in doing show bridges any gaps between the ideas I presented and those of yours, fox…I really don’t think our ideas are mutually exclusive…I find some truth in your post:

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Hat-tip to Cardillac, I was going to post it in the Russell Brand thread (but that would be giving power to the entity that is RB...either way it has next to nothing to do w/him):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74287-Russel-Brand-Time-for-a-spiritual-revolution&p=870126&viewfull=1#post870126

by the way, thanks christian again for the op video, it is a comprehensive one….

[Rich]

We're not controlled by anyone. The so called psychopath is just a reflection of a pain that we have not been willing to look at. As Lester said if there is anything we don't like in the world there is a need to change ourselves. That's all that is required because we each create our experience. I have even purposely created situations to challenge myself by using thought alone. Because the world is in our mind. As Bashar has said there is nothing outside of you, there is no outside.

[donk]

We're not controlled by anyone. The so called psychopath is just a reflection of a pain that we have not been willing to look at. As Lester said if there is anything we don't like in the world there is a need to change ourselves. That's all that is required because we each create our experience. I have even purposely created situations to challenge myself by using thought alone. Because the world is in our mind. As Bashar has said there is nothing outside of you, there is no outside.

I live in an experience where there are others, I am not just manifestation of something inside of you...

...or am I?? :rolleyes:

I believe in psychopaths. And I believe solipsism is useful to them.

[ceetee9]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

...that it is controlled by psychopaths, and they are good at what they do...Yes, I believe that is what I said--or at least, what I was trying to say.

Clearly they are good at what they do or they woudn't be in power and control. And while I'm sure a fair percentage of society hasn't a clue about psychopaths/sociopaths and that they are being manipulated and controlled by them, I think the majority of people know (or at least suspect or are aware on some level) that they exist and are in control, but they choose to wallow in one of the five stages of grief as a coping mechanism rather than dealing with the issue head on and demanding the eradication of these sick and twisted creatures from their perches of power, authority and control.

So what I was trying to elicit from the readers is why they think people in general would rather be in denial, angry, bargaining, depression or acceptance of the fact that they are being lied to, manipulated, controlled, used, and, in some cases, killed than taking action to not only have the psychopaths removed from any position of power and control (in government, corporations, academia, religious or other institutions), but to ensure that they never again get an opportunity to gain power, control or authority anywhere.

Imagine how different life on planet Earth might be if we screened-out people from positions of power, authority and control (e.g., police, military, government, corporate, educational, and religious leaders) if they exhibited psycho-/socio-pathic tendencies and behaviors. I know what you're thinking, who gets to determine who is and who is not a psychopath and whether they qualify for a particular position or not--particularly in a "free" society. Yet we already do this everyday. For example, you can't join the military if you have certain physical conditions, you can't become an engineer, lawyer or doctor without certain academic credentials, you can't drive a car or bus or fly a plane without a license, etc). Would we let a "clinically" crazy person control our nuclear weapons? Yet we seem to have no problem letting a psychopath/sociopath control our nuclear weapons. Is not a psychopath, by definitiion, a crazy person? Who are the crazy ones?

[Freed Fox]

Well, it's funny; I am no solipsist and I certainly find the notion of 'blaming the victim' rather sadistic, but I can also see how this paradigm that's emerging for me can be seen through such lenses (but not necessarily on account of any accuracy in those interpretations).

I agree that outside problems do not magically vanish in the wake of internal solutions on an individual basis, but I would argue that it must begin that way, perhaps to degrees which I have not even realized yet. All I can attest to is what it has been doing for me, and my belief in that transformative power to be transferable to the macro. I agree that those who suffer the most aren't exactly the ones who need correcting the most... There is power in their hands, but the more tangible, readily accessible power lies in the hands of those who seemingly suffer the least, gain the most, and therefore have the most to lose; the most reason to cling to control and forego compassion.

There are underlying problems externally, systemically which closely mirror things I believe we each individually face. The symptoms we see have been likened to a parasite, but I look at it more as an illness.

I'm digging my feet in as best as I'm currently able to here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74274-The-Balancing-Act-Faith-and-Fear) I do not expect you or anyone else to wade through it all, but I would like to humbly suggest that there is something really substantial to this. The last thing I want to do right now is promote myself, but promoting this...

Heed the "TL;DR" note if you feel so inclined. I would be a horrible hypocrite to expect people to invest their time in me. I AM actually; I haven't even bothered to watch your video prior to this reply (though I will in a few moments, and before interjecting any further). I wish it was so simple as to be conveyed easily and briefly...Maybe it can, and I am merely ill-equipped to do so. At any rate, it is largely based on the notion (rather, first hand experience) that you have to start from the ground up. We can disagree about whether the situation can or should be viewed as "devastated" but it's hard to argue that it isn't systemic.

[Rich]

Donk, according to Bashar we each have our own reality, because there is an infinite number of parallel realities. Did you ever notice a change of people or situation when you changed?

[RunningDeer]

Valuable information in the video. Here's an outline and I'd encourage others to watch. If there are time constraints one can jump to a specific section.

This article compliments the topic, “The Art of Hyper Dimensional War (http://montalk.net/matrix/67/the-art-of-hyper-dimensional-war)”


“Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. Always use love: kind love for the kind, tough love for the tough.”

Defense Against the Psychopath
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Part One:

Key Characteristics (http://youtu.be/Gd6P1Ue2aGg?t=1m45s) @ 1:45

Lack of Empathy
Lack of Remorse
Superficiality
Grandiosity
Irresponsibility
Impulsive Behavior
Compulsive Lying
Manipulative
Anti-Social Behavior


Part Two:

Common Types of Psychopaths (http://youtu.be/Gd6P1Ue2aGg?t=10m31s) @ 10:30

Narcissists
The Victim
Con Artists
Malevolent Psychopaths
Professional Psychopaths
Secondary Psychopaths


Part Three:

Method of Operation (http://youtu.be/Gd6P1Ue2aGg?t=24m40s) @ 24:40 minutes

The Interview
The Seduction
Divide and Conquer
Fear and Tyranny

Defense Against a Psychopath (http://youtu.be/Gd6P1Ue2aGg?t=30m10s) @ 30:10 minutes

Facing Evil
Recognition
What Not To Do
Attack
Evade


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[aheb]

I think you may have just described tony blair............and hilary clinton, I could go on and on.

[Freed Fox]

K donk, I rectified that particular hypocrisy of having spoken out of turn (before watching the Russell Brand vid). I mostly agree, but perhaps not entirely... I'll try for brevity here without sacrificing clarity:

We COULD rely only - or primarily - upon every individual acting in accordance to his or her conscience, except for the unconsciousness which seems to pervade us, our thoughts, and our actions. I have never considered myself to be an altogether immoral person, but only now do I feel as though I'm awakening to something like true conscience, by acting upon it and maintaining a more vigilant awareness of it. It has lead me to tangible results and dramatic changes in my life. I will of course share these things with anyone who is interested, sparing no horribly personal detail, but only for the sake of the message, not for myself. In addition to living ever more of it, little by little, I'm only doing my meager best here to try and explain what it really is, and what it might really mean.

[donk]

I feel ya FF, I don’t think we disagree on much. I look forward to reading what you linked as well as the thread you started with a bunch of lengthy I saved for later (perhaps the same?), I been on my own little thought train here…particularly toward EmEx’s thoughts…which I can also vibe with.

The thing is, it is a “level higher” (for lack of better terms) than what I am getting at, and where the concerns of psychopathy come in to play. The practical reality that I exist in, now. This is definitely dependent on the level “you” are on, which to me equates to your “level of awareness of how this reality actually functions”. I believe EmEx describes it well--on the highest imaginable level…which I think implies all the “we are All That Is” separating a receptor for “It” so that we may experience ourselves, so necessarily “gave ourselves amnesia” of our True Self, that some call “God”, others prefer All That Is or We Are One.

I get that, and it is practical, in not taking personally what most perceive as “evil”. In fact, knowledge of that “truth” allows you to do what I found to be the most practical application: not take “evil” personally, which allows me to live with much less fear than nearly any other being I have interacted on this level of existence.

But the reality I find myself in is NOT what the being that is ME would choose. If I could really just “create my reality”, all other beings with free will that can relate to me would have the basic freedom/right/empowerment/piece of information that is described in the clip I posted, that “authority” is an entity of our collective creation, and a bad paradigm for human beings to exist “respecting”. So I am attempting to change this reality, which I do not consider ALL MINE, by showing anyone I can this purpose of mine. I do not believe my imposition of will on this reality creates human suffering, and I wish to bring to light on the behaviors of humans that cause suffering to other parts of creation (and to ourselves).

So a short answer to your direct question EmEx: I always notice that all situations and people change, constantly. As does my perspective. But I have not ever experienced the exact transformation of either to what I intentionally attempted to will in to creation, no…only I really changed, that is all I can control—every other illusion of control or reality creation I have tried has fell within the rules of the existence that I find myself, which I will not take credit for creating. Some other being/will that I don’t consider ME/MINE either created them or limited me into believing them. It has the mindset/purpose or derives its energy from the control of others, whether directly or by emotional manipulation.

I won’t discount anything (even solipsism), but the practical application of knowledge about an external anti-human mindset, be it a figment of human imagination, a physical part of our brain, an infection, a parasite, whatever…to think of it as different/external/separate from WHO I AM and WHAT A HUMAN IS to me is a helpful, useful tool in existing in a reality that I want to be in…now. Making sense of where I find myself. It helps with relationships—including self love. I could be wrong, but I cannot see the “danger” in my belief… I hope I described how I can see interpretation of yours as having the possibility for a kind of trap?

Just musing…and here is what I was musing before the above…the start of the post that would have appeared, had I not read a couple of replies, forgive repetition, perhaps there is insight:




I used to agree with Kaiser Sose (from the movie “The Usual Suspects”): The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Now I believe that while that was a great trick, “he” pulled an even greater one relatively recently….he convinced [some of the more awake/thinking/open people of the] world that he is the creation of their imagination and/or some inherent flaw within human beings

[donk]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

...that it is controlled by psychopaths, and they are good at what they do...Yes, I believe that is what I said--or at least, what I was trying to say.

Clearly they are good at what they do or they woudn't be in power and control. And while I'm sure a fair percentage of society hasn't a clue about psychopaths/sociopaths and that they are being manipulated and controlled by them, I think the majority of people know (or at least suspect or are aware on some level) that they exist and are in control, but they choose to wallow in one of the five stages of grief as a coping mechanism rather than dealing with the issue head on and demanding the eradication of these sick and twisted creatures from their perches of power, authority and control.

So what I was trying to elicit from the readers is why they think people in general would rather be in denial, angry, bargaining, depression or acceptance of the fact that they are being lied to, manipulated, controlled, used, and, in some cases, killed than taking action to not only have the psychopaths removed from any position of power and control (in government, corporations, academia, religious or other institutions), but to ensure that they never again get an opportunity to gain power, control or authority anywhere.

Imagine how different life on planet Earth might be if we screened-out people from positions of power, authority and control (e.g., police, military, government, corporate, educational, and religious leaders) if they exhibited psycho-/socio-pathic tendencies and behaviors. I know what you're thinking, who gets to determine who is and who is not a psychopath and whether they qualify for a particular position or not--particularly in a "free" society. Yet we already do this everyday. For example, you can't join the military if you have certain physical conditions, you can't become an engineer, lawyer or doctor without certain academic credentials, you can't drive a car or bus or fly a plane without a license, etc). Would we let a "clinically" crazy person control our nuclear weapons? Yet we seem to have no problem letting a psychopath/sociopath control our nuclear weapons. Is not a psychopath, by definitiion, a crazy person? Who are the crazy ones?

I think you should listen to the clip I posted

[Flash]

there is an excellent thread on psychopaths started by Carmody. Really Worth to look at as well.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66489-Brainscans-and-prisoners-Outing-the-sociopaths-and-the-domino-effect

In that thread, you will also find a video on monkey psychopaths. Learning from nature, it is the story of a group of monkey in their natural habitat that was studied for the cortisol levels in their blood following stressful events, their psychopaths being a major stressor. THe impact on the monkey's health was to be studied, but an accident happened and all the psychopaths of the troop died.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4UMyTnlaMY

[ceetee9]

Excellent video on Psychopaths/Sociopaths. Thank you nearing.

IMO, it is because of these individuals that we have this destructive, corrupt, and decaying world in which we live. But what I don't understand is why we continue to allow them to garner the power and control over us. What does that say about the rest of society?

...that it is controlled by psychopaths, and they are good at what they do...Yes, I believe that is what I said--or at least, what I was trying to say.

Clearly they are good at what they do or they woudn't be in power and control. And while I'm sure a fair percentage of society hasn't a clue about psychopaths/sociopaths and that they are being manipulated and controlled by them, I think the majority of people know (or at least suspect or are aware on some level) that they exist and are in control, but they choose to wallow in one of the five stages of grief as a coping mechanism rather than dealing with the issue head on and demanding the eradication of these sick and twisted creatures from their perches of power, authority and control.

So what I was trying to elicit from the readers is why they think people in general would rather be in denial, angry, bargaining, depression or acceptance of the fact that they are being lied to, manipulated, controlled, used, and, in some cases, killed than taking action to not only have the psychopaths removed from any position of power and control (in government, corporations, academia, religious or other institutions), but to ensure that they never again get an opportunity to gain power, control or authority anywhere.

Imagine how different life on planet Earth might be if we screened-out people from positions of power, authority and control (e.g., police, military, government, corporate, educational, and religious leaders) if they exhibited psycho-/socio-pathic tendencies and behaviors. I know what you're thinking, who gets to determine who is and who is not a psychopath and whether they qualify for a particular position or not--particularly in a "free" society. Yet we already do this everyday. For example, you can't join the military if you have certain physical conditions, you can't become an engineer, lawyer or doctor without certain academic credentials, you can't drive a car or bus or fly a plane without a license, etc). Would we let a "clinically" crazy person control our nuclear weapons? Yet we seem to have no problem letting a psychopath/sociopath control our nuclear weapons. Is not a psychopath, by definitiion, a crazy person? Who are the crazy ones?

I think you should listen to the clip I postedI did view your clip and I agree with most of what the commentator said--particularly the part about the masses thinkng "inside-the-box" with believing in and supporting the status quo (i.e., that we need authority figures to tell us what to think, what to do, and how to live and behave). However, I think he's naive at best to say that "the only thing that will lead to peace and justice is when people say, I see a problem and the problem IS people imagining that their ideas should be forced on others. You do away with that and the problem is gone." I say he's naive because people aren't "imagining" that other people's ideas are being forced upon them, but because they ARE being forced upon them--albeit by their own volition and/or aquiescence (e.g., voting, political and religious beliefs and behaviors). And because he offers no suggestions as to how we might get people to stop supporting the system so we can "do away" with that fact.

I did not mean to imply that I agree with the current control system(s) or that we should continue to support them--and I believe several of my PA posts--particularly regarding creating a new paradigm for how we interact and relate to each other--will bear that out. But since I don't believe we, as a whole, are about to change our beaviors or ways of thinking--particularly outside-the-box--anytime soon, I tried to stay "within-the-box" this time with my comments.

[sms]

They rule the world for quite some time


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[ParakeetMGP]

One thing? I don't like how this world Stereotypes "Anti-Social" with having the "Introvert" Temperament. Having the "Introvert" Temperament is a person that likes to stay out of people's troubles and be by "Oneself". I in a lot of things like being by myself. I have my interest in things that goes in "Antithesis" with how others in which in our world and society are living that "Social Path" with all the social lifestyles anyway. Not my thing. I think we need to be to our-self, Meditate on our strengths and weakness to find how to take the right path. Having that "Science" nature and temperament is not "Anti-Social" "Scientist are known to like being to themselves and not around others.

[donk]

EmEx, I have been thinking about your view a lot, and I am trying to see a perspective based on it that does not lead to solipsism, and am struggling. I think a lot of my confusion is this:

You state you believe:
“We aren’t controlled by anyone”
“there is nothing outside of you”

Then ask:
“Did you ever notice a change of people or situation when you changed?”

I am paying careful attention to the words you chose…and therefore don’t want to misunderstand the question: yes I have noticed that, when I successfully get people to understand me, that means their mindset changed. And when I impose my will on a situation, that is an intentional act to create change.

Both the person and the situation are what I consider “outside of myself”. I believe I AM actually existing externally from you. What am I missing?

I consider “situations” and other people to be external to me. I CAN attempt to impose my will on them, and when I am successful when I try, I consider myself “controlling” it. When the intention of the action and/or the actual consequences of that choice to act on that intention do not prevent others from exercising the free will, I consider that “not evil”, whereas any choice intended to take it away is what I consider “evil”.

I recognize that “evil” is relative, so that IT does not really exist outside of myself. But I believe I can project that outside of myself, turning actions into situations that any being similar to myself, that I can relate to, that has empathy and where envy is a natural state (as defined by John Lash in the video I will post—envy is not jealousy in the way I am trying to use it—it is not wanting or coveting, it is the compulsion to destroy that which you cannot have).

I have the free will choice to act in a benign (or serving others) way, and I have a choice to act on envy (that I suspect I would not “create” on my own) or stomp down any empathy I may naturally feel (which is a situation I believe I would not choose to create, were I given a choice—were external forces not making it so hard to understand and value this most important of human characteristics). I feel that my free will choices can and do effect things that do actually exist outside of myself. That is why I study and love to discuss psychopathy, as in a infinite universe, it is bound to occur (just like anything else), and it seems to have dominated a mindset, our collective consciousness.

I understand that WE are responsible for the collective consciousness, if you agree that such a thing exists. I feel like there needs to be multiple separate units, for a collective to exist. So can you please help my imagine the reality you are trying to describe? I don’t think we are that far away on our beliefs/understandings, but some of your words/ideas I am having difficulty reconciling. Thanks so much.

FF…I know I go on and on just like you, and unfortunately I don’t get to read as much as often as I like (it’s easy for me to sneak in some writing and listen to videos, hard to watch video or read the web here at work), so I still have your ideas on hold, but definitely am going to look when I can

[Rich]

The thought that I am external from you is your thought, is a thought in you, therefore I cannot be external from you.
Will speak more later, maybe in private since this is a bit off topic?

Edit: Here is post I made few few days ago http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74247-What-is-your-definition-of-Spiritual&p=869560#post869560

[donk]

I don’t agree that it is off topic, I think it is the essence of the topic. And while I would certainly enjoy a private conversation, I feel your ideas have merit and here is where all ideas are best hashed out in the open, so that other perspectives may also shed some light. And especially, I don’t want it to seem like an “argument” or one of trying to “be right” (I think we are doing ok so far?? I know I need to personally work on that, and my deliveries)…I feel my perspective is very important, fairly accurate, and needs to be exposed and vetted and analyzed and picked through, and hoped (felt) you feel the same way about yours.

…of course, assuming that last statement is correct, it would take time to formulate, so no pressure take all the time you need.

[Ahnung-quay]

My experience with them is that they can be "beaten" by manipulation on one's own terms. Often they are not very intelligent and they don't think far enough into their own chess moves.

However, when playing their own game against them, one has to be careful to stay out of their mindset or risk becoming the psychopath themselves. It's dicey but, spiritual connection ensures victory. The best victory is when the psychopath thinks that they have won when they haven't.

Playing this game with a psychopath who has control of a large number of people would require a large number of people to to come together and gel.

I've only had the experience of playing this game with small-time psychos on an individual basis. When a person doesn't allow themselves to slip into their world, the game is won and it feels good!

[donk]

I found my experience to be very similar.

A thing that I did, when once I suspected what I was dealing with, I did my best to hold myself to their standards (on top of my own that I hold for myself), especially in situations where honesty and integrity come in to play. Standing in truth, humbly and lovingly, without fear—is the only way to “win” a battle they force (my main tactic is to defuse or avoid “battle”).

And that battle turns out to be mainly an internal, as that is the only thing you can control (and why I am intrigued at Emex’s ideas). But it helps to have as information as possible, and to be able to look at in a detached way. That is why emphasize not excluding the possibility of external (“alien”…to what I consider a TRUE human) forces.

[Rich]

Donk, firstly thanks for your questions and openness, it helped me to contemplate these things.


EmEx, I have been thinking about your view a lot, and I am trying to see a perspective based on it that does not lead to solipsism,

I think solipsism is referring to the body but when you see more and more that you are all of your consciousness beyond your body you will feel love for everyone.


and am struggling. I think a lot of my confusion is this:
You state you believe:
“We aren’t controlled by anyone”

I said this to make it clear that we have a choice, that we don't have to play victim if we don't want.



“there is nothing outside of you”

Then ask:
“Did you ever notice a change of people or situation when you changed?”

I am paying careful attention to the words you chose…and therefore don’t want to misunderstand the question: yes I have noticed that, when I successfully get people to understand me, that means their mindset changed. And when I impose my will on a situation, that is an intentional act to create change.

What I meant is that when your vibration, your state of being, your person changes then the world changes, you go into a parallel reality that reflects that change, this according to Bashar and this explanation makes sense to me because I have seen the change when I have changed. Hence the statement 'the world is in your mind' and there is no outside because it is a reflection of your thoughts.



Both the person and the situation are what I consider “outside of myself”. I believe I AM actually existing externally from you. What am I missing?
I understand that WE are responsible for the collective consciousness, if you agree that such a thing exists.

Yes, from the perspective of a body/form, it's external but not from that which we really are, the unconditionally loving being that allows everyone and everything to be the way they are because IT contains them, IS them.
You say there is a person and an outside but these thoughts are your thoughts, therefore your consciousness. The thought of your person and this person (EmEx) are BOTH equally your thought. So when we interact with anything or anyone we interact with ourselves....
I refer you to the video of Bashar I posted a link to before (''Reality is in your Consciousness'')



When the intention of the action and/or the actual consequences of that choice to act on that intention do not prevent others from exercising the free will, I consider that “not evil”, whereas any choice intended to take it away is what I consider “evil”.
I have the free will choice to act in a benign (or serving others) way, and I have a choice to act on envy (that I suspect I would not “create” on my own) or stomp down any empathy I may naturally feel (which is a situation I believe I would not choose to create, were I given a choice—

Yes, that's another way we can see that we are not separate, when you hate or love someone you feel it. If you were separate you could hurt someone without being affected.

[Flash]

I have studied psychopaths, researched it, wrote some on it.

if one of you think they can outsmart a bright psychopath, you are better to tighten your belt for a rough ride. They have been at it since birth and they are definitely better at manipulation than any other regular human around.

Of course, if you are much brighter and MOSLTY if you understand fast whom you are dealing with, you may have an upper hand for a while. Otherwise, run away and stop any impact they may have on your job or life if you can.

If you think you have outsmarted a psychopath, chances are you have outsmarted a good manipulator, but not a psychopath.

Oh, by the way, you do not BECOME a psychopath. If you become one, either your brain has had problems like tumors or accident, so that some empathy cells died out, or you just become desentisize, but the latter does not make you a psychopath.

Their brain is not the same as the rest of the population and this is pure science, proven scientifically.

I had to deal with bright psychopaths more than once, and believe me, they are fast and efficient.

As is the cabal running our world todays. No more than 4% of the population are psychopatic.

Look at the monkey video in the previous page, very instructive.

[Ahnung-quay]

I do have to disagree with you Flash. I have "played" with two psychopaths, beyond manipulators, and I won. I still have a job and my ex-boss doesn't. I'm still here and the second psycho is in prison, literally.

[araucaria]

I do have to disagree with you Flash. I have "played" with two psychopaths, beyond manipulators, and I won. I still have a job and my ex-boss doesn't. I'm still here and the second psycho is in prison, literally.
That's so very well done that I think quite a few readers of this thread would really have a lot to learn from a nice fat post explaining what happened and how you reacted. Please elaborate.

[Ahnung-quay]

Hmm. Some of it is difficult to explain.

As for the boss, she was busy eliminating positions especially of those employees who had tenure or were older. She was a power psycho/narcissist; the embodiment of the Peter Principle. She didn't like me or most of the other employees and no one trusted her. She was high strung, a liar and very devious. Most of the time I avoided her. When the supervisor directly under me put in for her retirement, I was told they would not be replacing her; that I would have to do my job and her job as well. Of course, with no pay or benefit increase.

Now, I'm 56 years old and I knew that I couldn't physically work 70 hours per week trying to do two jobs with no pay increase and no overtime (my job was non-comp). I also knew that I would not be able to find another job in my field where I live very easily and I did want to continue to live here.

I knew that I couldn't win going directly up against her or going through personnel, etc., so through prayer I was led to an alternative. My offer was this, if I became a consultant for the company, they would hire one employee to supervise the department. She knew that she couldn't refuse because it would make her look good to the higher ups as she could lie to them and tell them it would be cheaper and she wouldn't have to go through the process of hiring/training someone new. And, after dealing with her for three years, I knew exactly what she was thinking. I then made it sound good to her by reinforcing the advantages. I overheard the personnel meeting where she presented the plan and she made it seem like her idea.

I now work three days per week for more pay whereas before I was working 40-50 hours/week. And, I have less job duties now and less responsibility as a consultant versus as an employee. My boss took another job a short-time later for more money but, she was fired from that job and a subsequent job within a short time. She is now making much less money in a lower profile position.

I'm hoping that I never have to work with someone like her again. I stared the beast in the face and I won.

The present boss is a fair person. I've worked with her for twenty years and we have a good working relationship. She actually has empathy!

As for the second psycho, that one is more convoluted and less easy to explain. I was with a somatic narcissist for nine years and I was a big fat co-dependent. I say "was" because I no longer allow that in my life. I can also spot a psycho/narcissist in two seconds now and I avoid them like the plague. It took me three-four years of deep work to get done with all of that. My life has changed radically and his has not. He just moved on and kept perpetrating his behavior on others. Ergo, he is in prison which I had nothing to do with.

They say most narcissists will never heal because their true selves are buried too deeply within. It's still sad to me and I do pray for them but, I no longer offer personal help to any of them and I no longer surround myself with them. I won!

[Flash]

Hmm. Some of it is difficult to explain.

As for the boss, she was busy eliminating positions especially of those employees who had tenure or were older. She was a power psycho/narcissist; the embodiment of the Peter Principle. She didn't like me or most of the other employees and no one trusted her. She was high strung, a liar and very devious. Most of the time I avoided her. When the supervisor directly under me put in for her retirement, I was told they would not be replacing her; that I would have to do my job and her job as well. Of course, with no pay or benefit increase.

Now, I'm 56 years old and I knew that I couldn't physically work 70 hours per week trying to do two jobs with no pay increase and no overtime (my job was non-comp). I also knew that I would not be able to find another job in my field where I live very easily and I did want to continue to live here.

I knew that I couldn't win going directly up against her or going through personnel, etc., so through prayer I was led to an alternative. My offer was this, if I became a consultant for the company, they would hire one employee to supervise the department. She knew that she couldn't refuse because it would make her look good to the higher ups as she could lie to them and tell them it would be cheaper and she wouldn't have to go through the process of hiring/training someone new. And, after dealing with her for three years, I knew exactly what she was thinking. I then made it sound good to her by reinforcing the advantages. I overheard the personnel meeting where she presented the plan and she made it seem like her idea.

I now work three days per week for more pay whereas before I was working 40-50 hours/week. And, I have less job duties now and less responsibility as a consultant versus as an employee. My boss took another job a short-time later for more money but, she was fired from that job and a subsequent job within a short time. She is now making much less money in a lower profile position.

I'm hoping that I never have to work with someone like her again. I stared the beast in the face and I won.

The present boss is a fair person. I've worked with her for twenty years and we have a good working relationship. She actually has empathy!

As for the second psycho, that one is more convoluted and less easy to explain. I was with a somatic narcissist for nine years and I was a big fat co-dependent. I say "was" because I no longer allow that in my life. I can also spot a psycho/narcissist in two seconds now and I avoid them like the plague. It took me three-four years of deep work to get done with all of that. My life has changed radically and his has not. He just moved on and kept perpetrating his behavior on others. Ergo, he is in prison which I had nothing to do with.

They say most narcissists will never heal because their true selves are buried too deeply within. It's still sad to me and I do pray for them but, I no longer offer personal help to any of them and I no longer surround myself with them. I won!

Now I see what happened and i agree with you, you won.

Some pervert narcissist (the precise name given to them) who are in the range of psychopaths, can bite and not let go for dozens of years, until the recipient of their hatred is entirely destroyed. The recipient try to escape and they will find ways to pursue them, if intelligent enough.

I have one personal experience with one and a few (2-3 in 35 years) in work experience. And it can go from being and overall nuisance to trying to kill you. Everytime, when you can't win, you are entirely destroyed, either on a personal way or your career. Very tough indeed.

And i have seen many others in dire circumstances because of these psychopaths. I remember a woman who had to abandon her son to her ex husband because he had hired hitman against her. Or my cousin who had to give up her son because he was having her arrested repeatedly for all kinds of reasons. Her son searched for her when he got to be 18, but it was late, he was already a drug addict. And here we are not mentioning yet all those in satanism cults or in the elite private cults.

The devastation is so great when meeting and dealing on a long term with psychopaths that I do suggest to escape as much as it is possible.

[Ahnung-quay]

Fortunately the two that I had personal encounters with were not violent! The thing is when you're personally involved with them, you're too close into the situation and it took me a long time to see it for what it was. I thought I was the crazy one for a long time.

One of my spiritual teachers told me, "The Chinese say, if someone comes to you for help, help them. If a narcissist comes to you for help, run the other way." When she told me that, that was the first time I started to see it for what it was. I researched narcissism and I realized that was exactly who I was trying to have a relationship with. He had at least six of the ICD-9 code traits. When I realized that he would never heal, I decided that I needed to heal myself.

I still have occasional contact with him on what a call "friendship at a distance" terms. Letting go without hatred is incredibly difficult but, it ensures true healing. It has to do with acceptance rather than trust or even forgiveness.

Once a person comes out of Samsara, they can see it all around themselves like in the movie "They Live". The whole thing opened my eyes to how much of our society is based around these predators. I pray alot!

[Flash]

Fortunately the two that I had personal encounters with were not violent! The thing is when you're personally involved with them, you're too close into the situation and it took me a long time to see it for what it was. I thought I was the crazy one for a long time.

One of my spiritual teachers told me, "The Chinese say, if someone comes to you for help, help them. If a narcissist comes to you for help, run the other way." When she told me that, that was the first time I started to see it for what it was. I researched narcissism and I realized that was exactly who I was trying to have a relationship with. He had at least six of the ICD-9 code traits. When I realized that he would never heal, I decided that I needed to heal myself.

I still have occasional contact with him on what a call "friendship at a distance" terms. Letting go without hatred is incredibly difficult but, it ensures true healing. It has to do with acceptance rather than trust or even forgiveness.

Once a person comes out of Samsara, they can see it all around themselves like in the movie "They Live". The whole thing opened my eyes to how much of our society is based around these predators. I pray alot!

Yes, you have all the thinking of someone who met true psychopaths and went through the great difficulties they impose on us.

And yes, it did open my mind as well on the predatory society that we have. To me, it seems that we understand once we have been in direct contact with a psychopath, otherwise, we can't even imagine these people exist and therefore won't understand the depth of the manipulated and psychopatic situation our societies are in.

And you are right, they would never heal because they do not have the ability to heal, their brain is wired differently than ours.

This is why our society has to come to term with suffering and understand how to change it, by admitting first that we are lead by psychopaths and that yes, they have no regrets, no empathy, no loveo. Only thrill makes them feel alive. They are an empty shells and they know it.

And if I dealt with them, it was to make me stronger by going into the "devil's nest" and coming out of it. And yes, letting go without hatred is incredibly difficult. Because their ways does increase the hatred in oneself as well as in society. They maybe there so that we make clear choices, if we are not destroyed before being able to make the choices. They leave no breathing space so one gets destroyed. I am still working on the hatred that spurred from me in their contact, to change this.

My transformation has been profound. From being relatively naive to being very prudent in my choices of people around me, from believing everyone has a soul which is fundamentally good to seeing that some are absolutely not in contact with it and need to vampirise everything around until nothing is left (nature as well as other humans). From letting live to stopping those that hurt others. From seeing the damages while looking into violent behaviors to seeing the damages that thoughts themselves can create, which are all invisible to the eyes.

The main thing is that psychopaths have to be stopped and society has to find a way to make sure they never get into positions of power, never ever. How we will do it, i have no single cue or the moment.

And yes, brain screening is one potential way. But for this, we have to toss them out of power positions. In the magical sense as well as in the day to day.

Thanks for sharing Anhung-quay.

[Ahnung-quay]

I've been thinking that there has to be a way on the etheric level to dispatch them. I've lately been asking are they the ones that are possessed by the archons? If so, can we enter another realm and warrior up to them?

I haven't tried but, I'm interested in anyone who has and if techniques for doing it can be shared that would be great!

I think that in our reality just recognizing them and not allowing them to manipulate us on a personal level is a start. Maybe starting at the bottom will bring a change even if it is slow. Convincing others to see the insanity of it all is the hard part but, more are waking up and hopefully there will be a tipping point....

[Flash]

I've been thinking that there has to be a way on the etheric level to dispatch them. I've lately been asking are they the ones that are possessed by the archons? If so, can we enter another realm and warrior up to them?

I haven't tried but, I'm interested in anyone who has and if techniques for doing it can be shared that would be great!

I think that in our reality just recognizing them and not allowing them to manipulate us on a personal level is a start. Maybe starting at the bottom will bring a change even if it is slow. Convincing others to see the insanity of it all is the hard part but, more are waking up and hopefully there will be a tipping point....

I have been wondering about the same. Individual recognition on a personal level is socially too slow. They are aons ahead of us because they did not have to deal with guilt, remorse, pondering, etc.

Therefore, i was wondering if there was not some skills we can use at a much higher level. Some maybe possessed by the archons, but i believe that for some, the genetic modifications have made them cut off from normal humane behavior, therefore they lack waht others have to be living in a cooperative society.

Our intervention has to be at much higher levels, we have to open ourselves up to the universe know how.

[RunningDeer]

My vision is that as the collective we’s DNA upgrades, repair to the psychopaths DNA will happen, too. It's the natural part of creation.

The learning curve for them will be to observe interaction from others and through one-to-one heart expansion. They’ll continue to evolve into wholeness.

Those that choose not to will be unable to exist in the frequency that the collective we are co-creating.

<3

[Flash]

My vision is that as the collective we’s DNA upgrades, repair to the psychopaths DNA will happen, too. It's the natural part of creation.

The learning curve for them will be to observe interaction from others and through one-to-one heart expansion. They’ll continue to evolve into wholeness.

Those that choose not to will be unable to exist in the frequency that the collective we are co-creating.

<3

True Running Deer, but only in parts in my views. First, you have to have the g dam upgrade. When will it happen? in a thousand years? Second, for the upgrade, you have to have a large group of people not only waking up, but doing tremendous steps in inner development. Not happening yet.

Third, the psychopath have to will to change. This is not happening either. Their change would involve pain (as we have had going through our own growth), desire to achieve love and to expand it, yet, they have no single cue of what love is - they think we are mushy mushy with this, they laugh at love. At the present time, they refuse to change.

So, what would be a down to earth solution? Waiting for our DNA to change is not a down to earth solution unless we know how to achieve it fast for a large group (I am very well aware that DNA changes with meditation and other spiritual development, my point is bringing it to a large group before we are completely control, which is happening fast).

[Snowflower]

The psychopaths who are running this planet are the primary reason I don't think there is a way to stop absolute collapse of civilization. I agree with Running Deer about the vibration shift though. And also agree with Flash about not having a clue as to when it will manifest.

It's a conundrum. How does society take power away from the powerful? How can we insist on brain scans to the highest positions of power? How can we change the current methods of choosing leaders while the current leaders maintain control?

[RunningDeer]

My vision is that as the collective we’s DNA upgrades, repair to the psychopaths DNA will happen, too. It's the natural part of creation.

The learning curve for them will be to observe interaction from others and through one-to-one heart expansion. They’ll continue to evolve into wholeness.

Those that choose not to will be unable to exist in the frequency that the collective we are co-creating.

<3

True Running Deer, but only in parts in my views. First, you have to have the g dam upgrade. When will it happen? in a thousand years? Second, for the upgrade, you have to have a large group of people not only waking up, but doing tremendous steps in inner development. Not happening yet.

Third, the psychopath have to will to change. This is not happening either. Their change would involve pain (as we have had going through our own growth), desire to achieve love and to expand it, yet, they have no single cue of what love is - they think we are mushy mushy with this, they laugh at love. At the present time, they refuse to change.

So, what would be a down to earth solution? Waiting for our DNA to change is not a down to earth solution unless we know how to achieve it fast for a large group (I am very well aware that DNA changes with meditation and other spiritual development, my point is bringing it to a large group before we are completely control, which is happening fast).
It’s easy to become overwhelmed then I view it from the larger perspective. The reality is I cannot change those that are not ready or able.

I don’t have the how’s to the larger perspective. The metaphor for the quickened change that I see is like a ping-pong ball tossed into a room filled with ping-pong balls that are set on top of each mousetrap.

My DNA is changing because of personal action steps of raising consciousness through knowledge, experience, right food, movement, rid false beliefs, etc.

Those that are waking to truth will see or gravitate to those that can jumpstart them. Which in turn raises their consciousness and go on to effect the collective, too.

I took the action steps: bandaids, bullets, and beans, etc. It wasn’t until I came to rest with strength in mind and body that I now sleep better, and continue to have cool experiences.

For now, what I know is that I’m not here by accident. I live life with integrity and love. And I’ll step into the unknown like I’ve always done. Listen through the heart-mind. Live and share the in journey that I create moment to moment.

Solutions come out of know where. My inner knowing is that I’m in the right place and the right time. For now, I continue to effect change in small, unseen ways.

<3

[lelmaleh]

We also need a way to contain them in society as at present this society rewards psychopathic behavior and allows them to rise to the top with other psychopaths where they all reinforce each other's self serving and destructive patterns. To me they only respect the language of violence which it makes it difficult for the rest of us more non-violent types. They also need to be outnumbered but I don't see how this can happen at elite level. Would be interested in suggestions.

[donk]

It's a conundrum. How does society take power away from the powerful? How can we insist on brain scans to the highest positions of power? How can we change the current methods of choosing leaders while the current leaders maintain control?

This is where I completely agree with EmEx, we give them the power, "we" (not you or I ;), the proverbial we) need to change our mindset. We (us in particular reading this) need to educate, remove the intentional, external spell of ignorance around the subject (Carmody's thread flash mention is a good one).

I have to go back and read A-Q's tale, but mine was a "semi"-victory, actually more like a complete detach. But with built in truth, I equipped myself before cutting her (and the clan that worships her) off. Made sure I did what I could to resolve our differences loving, together...and when that obviously could not work made clear everything in my reality, how I perceived theirs (leaving out "psychopath", but if she didn't skip the chapter on her way to her advanced psych degree
, she should not be able to miss the references!)

When I ever happen to cross paths of need to engage, I am in a position where she would look crazy (well, crazier) if she tried to hurt me. I learned to never turn my back on a psycho (the hard way) so I will be wary.

If collectively our minds and hearts are equipped to deal with them, we can render them powerless. I definitely recognize that's a tall order, but working hard on it at an individual level seems as good a thing to do with my time as any--I found it extremely helpful and rewarding

We can start with: we don't need leaders to 'maintain control'. If we need any kind of leadership, it would be to help organize and serve us....and it truly should be US...

We have to clean up, to remove, the slave mentality it seems so hard to break free of. There's only an "elite level" because so many people think that it's ok the way civilization is set up (and more importantly VALUED). As long as the elite is valued, it will continue.

Don't take it personally. Do what you can at your level. It will change your world. Perhaps if enough can do it, a larger scale change CAN happen

[Rich]

Donk, I suggest you and anyone who is interested to listen to ''The Illusion of Power'' by Bashar it is very well explained IMO.

It is number 37 in the menu. Can also be downloaded.
https://archive.org/details/BasharCollectedAudio2011
(https://archive.org/details/BasharCollectedAudio2011)