Spirit(ual) Science

[eq1]

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[The One]

Wow great first Thread eq1 very informative.

There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness xxxxxxxxxxxx The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis

For this reality we make our own.

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[panopticon]

G'day eq1,

I have found this thread interesting.

This is a massive statement:
"I propose a parallel for the quantum state in epistemology."

The relationships between chaos theory, fractals and quantum theory is an interesting field. How you integrate them with socialisation, cultural artifacts and disparate belief systems into an epistemology I look forward to seeing.

Interesting point to add is that of the Mandelbrot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set), Julia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set) and Buddhabrot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot) sets. They are fascinating visual representations of complex abstract mathematics.

Here's a short clip on the Mandelbrot set (also known as the "thumb print of God").

qK1Wamdj9eo

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK1Wamdj9eo

[panopticon]

G'day All,

What do Artur C. Clarke, Pink Floyd, Mandelbrot Sets and Fractals have in common?

This documentary from the mid 90's in which Arthur C. Clarke discusses the Mandelbrot set with music by David Gilmour. Enjoy.

-8761982451173696232

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Video Link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8761982451173696232

[vibrations]

I would think of eq's exposure as an holographic approach to..... everything. Starting to see things with all senses, integrating intuition (just to give it a name), with all other senses, combined in a new, multidimensional view or even better inner view of individual reality we experiment in a multidimensional grid of "time" (which is not) or maybe to assimilate the moment with as much data we can include.

And as in other fractals, starting to put together this chunks to see the bigger and bigger picture, limited it's size only by processing power of our brain. This is a limit to consider, but don't believe the official science, our neurons are maybe dying as a consequence of a vast number of variables, but with any intellectual activity, any searching for the answers, resolutions of the common and not so common problems, new neurons are activated, new connections are established and new ways are plotted on the horizon of Universal plane.

All the information crawling through the Web has something in it. You see the Spirit Science and I compare the information exposed there with the information I have, I see the differences, I see the similarities, trying to draw new, updated picture and knowing that it's still not what was really happening. Updating the information and starting to feel it more and more, we will build better and better image every time we picture it in our minds. Mine will be different of yours, but isn't the every reality different. There are so many points of view as there are observers. And not to mention that some brains cad dive deeper in to the 4d and some can not move from the 2d.

[Anno]

I watched the Drunvalo inspired ones from the other thread a couple of nights ago and there's been something stuck in my head that concerns me.

If you've watched them you'll see that they claim on Atlantis there were normal Earthlings then the Hebrews and Martians came. They are depicted as the Blue and the Red. The Martians are set up as the evil bringers of the Luciferian conciousness while the Hebrews are never mentioned again.

This idea does not fit with the ancient accounts by people that talk about The Sea People being the ones that stopped canibalism and taught science/farming/culture to the world. My current opinion is that they're the ones who came from Mars. You'll also see that later in history their descendents (celts/scandinavians) were targeted by that time's manifestation of Abraham; Rome.
And I posted yesterday that I'd seen a suggestion that the Abrahamic version of Lucifer is a demonisation of an old 'Celt' god called Lugh. His special talent was that he was a master of every skill he tried and was linked to August, The Harvest and The Sun.

This does not alter the fact that the incorrect (satanified) version of Lucifer is accepted and treated as real by some people among us. I feel that is simply a way of poisoining the energy grid in the same way the cartoons talk about military bases on vortex sites.

One further peice of evidence is where in the world they depict Atlantis and the shape/size they give it. It's the Antarctic and it's placed where it would have been according to the Crust Displacement Theory. This is where the Sea People are meant to have come from and like in the Cartoon they went to South America where they were called the Viracocha among other names. They were the Sea People.

And finally there is one major error in the work. They say the Maya were the priests in Atlantis and they went to South America which is why they're still there today. Why is there no mention of the Olmecs, who the Maya say they inherrited their culture from? There are plenty of Olmec sites surviving that depict European and African people living together that pre-date the Maya by thousands of years.

I really liked the Cartoons but I think there's a dark subtext in there trying to swap the Hebrews for the Martians and reverse their roles. They are leaving out parts of the already accepted story and changing other parts. It's all done slyly through symbolism and what is unsaid rather than said.

I smell Zionism.

[vibrations]

Depending from where is the source text, he put together all this in a quite nice movies (not mentioning the enormous work to make this cartoon). Don't look this details and labels we always put into. Look at the core, try to compare with other stories and try to construct better image to build up knowledge and not to search for who is against who. I think this would be better approach.

[Anno]

Depending from where is the source text, he put together all this in a quite nice movies (not mentioning the enormous work to make this cartoon). Don't look this details and labels we always put into. Look at the core, try to compare with other stories and try to construct better image to build up knowledge and not to search for who is against who. I think this would be better approach.

You seem to be suggesting the mainstream approach of 'televisual programming'. It's a cartoon, just sit in front of it and giggle, don't think, don't question. Just let it work on your subconscious. The maker wants the same which is why they keep including the caveat 'none of this is fact'. And why, I would suggest, they speed the voice up and keep the episode times down.

My opinion doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of time and skill went in to making them. I can appreciate that effort and still question the motive and the transmission of incorrect and possibly harmful information. Just because it's alternative and not mainstream, it's still Media.

To add a bit more, using the Hexagram as the symbol of Jewry was not chosen by the Jews, it was imposed on them when most of Europe made them wear Badges to identify themselves. The Nazi's get blamed for this but they just copied a much earlier and widespread phenomena. We all know about Rothschild choosing the Hexagram between the two rivers as the Israeli flag.

In the cartoon you see these Hebrews from out of space turn up, they're cool and are shown waving the Israeli flag. Why aren't they waving a flag with a Minorah on it? And why are they never mentioned again? The Hexagram then becomes a core of the work as the Merkaba. As it is in Drunvalo's work which is their primary source.

They are connecting Blue = Hebrew = Cool = Merkaba.

Meanwhile, Martians = Red = Satanists.

These are the two original 'white' races from out of space and the creator of the cartoon is intentionally painting one as evil and one as awesome. With the other connections to TPTB I remain deeply suspicious of it.

I just got one of Drunvalo's books so I can see for myself.

[vibrations]

Well, I totally understand you and I agree that there is a lot of things presented cartoony dualistic exactly as you say, but I also have a lot of information about the Atlantis, and there are a lot of differences between what he presented and what I was told. I do not take my story as a 100% true, and I don't take his story as true, let say that we have to understand that almost every channeled info is affected by the receptor's mind which gives it a color of his point of view. Putting good and bad in a movie is the simplest thing but we all know that there are situations where we are godd and others where we are not. And it is not a nation or movement, it's person involved who decides his actions. Presenting something as a "good nation" has no sense, there are crooks everywhere, saying Jews are bad is nonsense, maybe some of them are extremely bad, but also some of Arabs, Germans, Italians, whatever, we are all just people, labels are artificial, and one nation does not do things, their governments do, and in the governments in all of them, you will almost no find any honest person. Governments have the power in their hands, they want to impose their will, to theirs and to others, so the system of society as a concept is wrong. Thousands and thousands years. do you agree.

[Jake]

Hello eq1,, awesome discussion. One that is opening up all around the world. I love being a part of it, an I appreciate your being a part of it too! I am loving the 'spirit science' vids. They are perfect. I am 'stealing' one of them for another discussion. Much of the discovery of spirit and consciousness will have to do with dreaming and OBE. Thank for your input.

[vibrations]

Hello eq1,, awesome discussion. One that is opening up all around the world. I love being a part of it, an I appreciate your being a part of it too! I am loving the 'spirit science' vids. They are perfect. I am 'stealing' one of them for another discussion. Much of the discovery of spirit and consciousness will have to do with dreaming and OBE. Thank for your input.

I don't know who is copy of whom (avatar) but I think this is the one of the most important things which will emerge as a new science, starting to use dreams and OBE for education, and further connections. Well, we can start right now and you, Jake already did quite a huge step in this, aren't you.

[Anno]

[...]do you agree.

Ofcourse I agree, it's a universal concept that I'd bet 99% of people here would agree with. I don't see the relevance to what I'm saying. I don't mind if people choose to watch it as a cartoon or if they choose to read it as any peice of media. I chose to read it compared to all the other sources (as you suggested should be done) and shared what I think for those that care about such things. Free will is awesome.

Do you have a thread with your take on Atlantis? There are so many accounts that at this point I think the more you read the better then see what starts to stick. =]

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Here is a recap of my questions for anyone that's interested.

Hebrews: Why call them that? Why are they introduced as cool people, shown with an Israeli flag then never spoken of again? Why are the Hebrews blue?

Merkaba: The Hexagram is introduced on the Israeli Flag of the Space Hebrews then they vanish and it becomes the Merkaba?

Martians: Why were they chosen as Evil. Why Mars? Why was the name Lucifer chosen for the source of all evil? Why is this 'Lucifer' being described as an 'experiment' and not an entity? Why are the Martians red?

Mayans: Why are the Atlantean Priests called Maya and said to be the same people as the Maya when the Maya themselves (along with Archeology accepted by both sides) say that they inherited their culture from the much older Olmecs?

[eq1]

Hi everyone,

It seems that the thread has become a discussion of the original videos that inspired it, so let's go with the flow!


panopticon

Re: Spirit(ual) Science
G'day eq1,

I have found this thread interesting.

This is a massive statement:
"I propose a parallel for the quantum state in epistemology."

The relationships between chaos theory, fractals and quantum theory is an interesting field. How you integrate them with socialisation, cultural artifacts and disparate belief systems into an epistemology I look forward to seeing.

Pan-opticon, I'll take you up on that advice you gave me elsewhere, I'm going to save the answer for that question for another thread that I will work on much more carefully, with a TOC and short, clearly written and non-meandering posts. Your advice was much appreciated.

So, with that out of the way, why don't we make this a thread about the Spirit Science videos since that is what it seems to have appeared to others to be originally about. Let's go back to the first point I was making regarding them:

Remember that the author of these videos is making it very clear (well, if you haven't gone and watched Spirit Science 1, then you might have missed this bit) that he is currently in the process of looking for this kind of information he decided to represent by his animations (perhaps because he finds it meritable enough to represent in a format that doesn't require reading 500+ page 2 volume text to assimilate). He's still very much on his journey, and is on the younger side.

What he is basically doing is just whittling down the historical portion of the Flower of Life into a set of 5 videos. So the questions that come up when watching them are really questions about Drunvalo's work. Then you have to go digging into the Drunvalo story.

Here's an interesting part of the Foreword of Vol. 1 of TFOL:


"However, please understand that the evidence I originally learned this information from is in itself not important. The
information could in most cases be completely changed to different information without affecting the outcome. In addition, I
made many mistakes because I am now human. What is most interesting to me is that every time I made a mistake, it led into
a deeper understanding of the Reality and a higher truth. So I say to you, if you find an error, look deeper. If you get hung up on the information by overestimating its value, you will totally miss the point of the work. What I have just said is paramount to
understanding this work.
I’ll also be giving my personal experiences, many of which are, I admit, outrageous by the ordinary world’s standards.
Perhaps they are not so outrageous by the old world’s standards, but it is you who must decide if they are true or are just stories
— or if it even matters. Listen deeply with your heart, for your heart always knows the truth."

There, he's got all his bases covered now. You see the appeal to the heart/take-what-resonates-with-you bit all over the place, it really is a feel-good catch-all isn't it? Because in a sense it's true (but as I'd like to argue, there's a dangerous way of understanding it and a much safer way, and it's good to know the difference). Also, it's easy for people to always look for this kind of bottom line "what's in it for him", and in this case they will notice to see that the books really do pull the reader towards the workshops that teach to make the Merkaba (and do cost money).

However, and I will say that this is a trend I've noticed the conspiracy/spirituality world(s) over, he may be fully believing in everything he is putting forward, or as the caveat in the Foreword suggests, at least the principle behind everything he is putting forward. And so too do so many others.

So as vibrations (kudos) suggests, it is almost essential that we take only from each bit of material we come across what meshes with the abstracted perspective we are currently designing, and for some of us that will lead to rejecting the entirety of some materials we come across. That's fine. I certainly have. I've also rejected plenty of stuff that I used to hold as part of my belief system over the years. Plenty of it. To the point where I began to question the whole purpose of my developing belief systems around some things and not others in the first place.

Starting down that more hidden forest path, off any of the main trails, led me to where I am now, maybe I can summarize it pretty well:

What I was trying to shine a light on in starting this thread (which is what distinguishes it from Tenzin's thread, sorry Tenzin for hijacking your thread topic, it was not my intent), is that there is more to the picture in such situations than simply the Message and the Messenger(s).

99.999...% of the discussion I see everywhere I look (outside academia anyways) seems to preoccupy itself with either messages or messengers. What's missing from the picture?

This goes back to what vibrations was saying here (and kudos again, it was truly spot on, a very insightful analysis of the concepts I'm trying to put forward):


I would think of eq's exposure as an holographic approach to..... everything. Starting to see things with all senses, integrating intuition (just to give it a name), with all other senses, combined in a new, multidimensional view or even better inner view of individual reality we experiment in a multidimensional grid of "time" (which is not) or maybe to assimilate the moment with as much data we can include.

And as in other fractals, starting to put together this chunks to see the bigger and bigger picture, limited it's size only by processing power of our brain. This is a limit to consider, but don't believe the official science, our neurons are maybe dying as a consequence of a vast number of variables, but with any intellectual activity, any searching for the answers, resolutions of the common and not so common problems, new neurons are activated, new connections are established and new ways are plotted on the horizon of Universal plane.

All the information crawling through the Web has something in it. You see the Spirit Science and I compare the information exposed there with the information I have, I see the differences, I see the similarities, trying to draw new, updated picture and knowing that it's still not what was really happening. Updating the information and starting to feel it more and more, we will build better and better image every time we picture it in our minds. Mine will be different of yours, but isn't the every reality different. There are so many points of view as there are observers. And not to mention that some brains cad dive deeper in to the 4d and some can not move from the 2d.

This is to say that if you try to get all the information from a situation, you can in such cases look first at the Messenger, then perhaps the Message, but you have missed the step in between if you do only this. How does a messenger deliver a message? In an envelope!

You can get a lot of information from this metaphorical envelope. If you'd like to continue this metaphor, you can also get information about how the messenger developed the content for the message (references are always nice), how they wrote the message, and even the many ways they may have delivered the message, in many different kinds of envelopes.

Trace Melchizidek's sources and it goes back to Thoth, 2 angels, and a lot of other places that are more vague. There is certainly a lot of Judaic-oriented symbolism and elements in his material. Did he simply grow up in that kind of a household and is most familiar with that kind of stuff?

Anyways, if possible, it'd be great to turn the discussion away from Spirit Science 12 and more towards the first 11, single episode videos.

What do you all think of those? This time, the animator is drawing in a lot of information that comes from all over the place, not just TFOL material.

take care,

eq

[vibrations]

I like the envelope thing. But I named it different (to fit in my limited belief system box). I call it language. Let's see two examples of the same thing:
A silver spacecraft descend from the sky to the landing spot in front of us

and

The glorious chariot of fire with silver wings covering the heavens gate of our Lord brought him from the holly heavens to our miserable world to punish us for our sins.

Ok, bad, but two examples, exaggerated, but the thing is, everyone of them resonate with different let's say LimitBox. I am not religiously backed up, so simply the chariot thing bla bla bla will produce the rejection in me, as it will to the person who deeply trust to what he was raised in (for example religious christian family), produce rejection the sci-fy scenario of the first example. maybe here is much more important what resonate with whom.

So the way how the information is presented will from the beginning determine the basic level of "yeah, maybe it's true", and then the details implemented can enforce or destroy all this believing. As the details which bothered Anno. I didn't read Drumvalo's work, but as I can see from presentation, it's the matter of interpretation. Any information which comes to us will go through our filters, filters of our belief system. we can accept things which are new to the certain point like "this is ok, but this can't be true, here they are exaggerating" because our references can not back up what we try to assimilate. We are stacked in it. So the language helps to broaden our LimitBox. Closer it is to our nature of thinking, better are possibilities that we will somehow expand the walls of our belief box. and the filter which limit us and force us to reinterpret the received information are conditioned with all our lifespan experience which made us what we are now. Every new moment, every new experience remould our reality a bit. and more we are aware of this things, closer we are to some day successfully drill a hole in the wall of our limitations.

[panopticon]

Pan-opticon, I'll take you up on that advice you gave me elsewhere, I'm going to save the answer for that question for another thread that I will work on much more carefully, with a TOC and short, clearly written and non-meandering posts. Your advice was much appreciated.

G'day eq1,

Glad to have been of assistance.

I am looking forward to your description of the integrated philosophical approach you are proposing.

Truth be known I felt I was in the twilight zone there for awhile...

I didn't understand what red martians and Israeli flags had to do with the thread until I realised it was something to do with another thread and some youtube videos briefly mentioned in the first post as a prelude to the remainder of the threads content.
:yield:

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

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