Leaked Recording at US/Canada crossing

[Maia Gabrial]

You guys have got to hear this!

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[Mark]

i hate crossing the border these days, driving or flying. its less stressful to get into mexico.

[dreamer]

Not to say that the actions of the officers was right and fair in any way, but that guy dosent know when to shut his mouth. Use intelligence to determine when you should speak up, and when you shouldent... He diddnt accomplish anything by this, just got him and his wife sent to jail. And spread an already obvious msg to all, most authority is corrupt, no news there, what a waste

[ktlight]

That is disgraceful, to wind a person up and use the outcome to take him down a slippery slope. That is not defending or protecting USA, it is Nazi style enforcement of bullying.

[Maia Gabrial]

Exactly, ktlight. I thought it was more of a set up. They chose someone and then aggravated the situation to make him defensive. I thought all the questions the officers asked were stupid. And I don't believe that they catch 3 terrorist a day. THAT sounds made up. If I were those 2 Canadians I'd say it ain't worth it to shop in the US if the cops are a**holes looking to harass tourists just because they can....Just my opinion....

[Unified Serenity]

Welcome to the USSA! Everyone practice their bending over, brown nosing, and turning a blind eye to tyranny. Sure, you can just shut your mouth and avoid trouble unless they want to pick on you and accuse you of threatening them and then when they grab you for no reason and you instinctively pull way now they have you on assault?! You can &%&&$#)))%& &&%&&# $#**%& @#@$((@!### bet I am &%&&#)) tired of these &&%&^^$$ servents knuckle dragging %&&$%^&^$ who think they are defending us! Just thugs in a uniform.

It's time to wake up and demand these jerks remember who they are serving. I guess Americans should avoid going to Canada, shopping for a day, enjoying the restaurants and sights because we don't have a written down itinerary of where we will be every damn second. Ok, I shouldn't have watched this fascist crap, cause I am unsettled. This crap is designed to piss us off... now I will recenter and let it go. Amerika wake up!

[Maia Gabrial]

Peace, US. My intentions weren't to rile anyone with this crap.
That's how I reacted when I saw it, too. Just wanted people to see that even Canadians aren't safe from our thug cops.... You'd think they'd respect our tourists alittle more than this.

[Lazlo]

This guy couldn't keep his mouth shut. Federal officers have no sense of humor (not that any of this was funny) and zero tolerance for people who make their lives difficult.

I travel into Canada at least a 6 times a year for work, and yes, I get the full treatment every time I cross. It doesn't matter if I am flying or driving. Keep quiet, answer direct questions and everything is just fine. No one likes authority, but these guys were just doing their jobs. I would be willing to bet that any charges were dropped.

The only time I had any issues was flying out of Ottawa (way more intense security than Toronto. Toronto is like Europe: Look at your passport, look at you, one or two questions at most, stamp the book and see you later)...

Anyhoo... I was saying Ottawa. I had purchased 25 silver Maple leafs (one ounce coins), and had a receipt for them. You would have thought that I was trying to fly with boxcutters, grenades, or heroin. They ran them through the x-ray 5 or 6 times, had every agent on duty look at them. Swiped them for explosives, used a blacklight, yada yada yada

15 minutes into it, (which I spent with my hands at my sides by the way) They hand them back to me with a smile and a "Have a nice day"

What is most interesting about this, while I am babbling on here :p, is that I travel a lot. 75,000 air miles or so a year. I have security pretty well down, and have never (with the exception of the Ottawa incident) even been slowed down at a checkpoint.

Well, I am sorry to admit, I am a smoker. I smoke handrolling tobacco and keep it in a small, round, metal container that is big enough to hold a pack of rolling papers and a day's worth of tobacco. I have been flying around with this metal container for 10 years and have never once had security ask me what it is or take a look into it. NEVER. It still amazes me.

[Flash]

the Canadian citizen does not understand obviously that the border agents are given a list in the morning of the people that have to be checked throughout as well as the questions to be asked and that they plainly do their job following the morning orders.

Sometimes, the check up are random, sometimes it is all the white cars, sometimes just the guys with wife, some other times 1 out of every 10, etc. I think the American border agents inside was very polite and did explain very well his work, and that he cannot believe anyone on their words in order to do his job correctly. A friend a mine was once upon a time a border agent, this is why I know.

The American border agent did not have in facts, to explains anything because it may give too much on how they work and could be detrimental.

I have had encounters with border agents that were much much ruder to me without me being nervous, despising openly Canadian and our coiutnry and I had to shut up. These agents in the video were quite fine when they started.

The extreme patting in airports does make me go nuts though.

The Canadian is much too nervous unecessarily as well.

This is just my opinion (from someone crossing those borders at least monthly)

[Sierra]

A complete set up. I mean, if you knew you'd be arrested and thrown in jail for being taken aback at being queried by a border guard "What store you are going shopping at?", you could avoid trouble, but how many people can think that fast on their feet when confronted by something that does not compute?

[Jake]

Federal officers have no sense of humor (not that any of this was funny) and zero tolerance for people who make their lives difficult.

Well, I have zero tolerance for fascist federal SERVANTS who use their Bull@#$% position to ruin the lives of honest hard working citizens. Why,,, Because they CAN??? It is all BS. In America we have COUNTLESS Federally recognized sovereign Native American Nations. I don't see these #$%@# pulling the same BS that they pull on the other borders to other nations. THIS IS A SICKNESS!!! And unfortunately,,, it is contagious. Every self rightious cop or tsa or detective or agent or whatever,,, is treating everyone they meet as if they are a potential terrorist,,, NOT because they think they ARE terrorists,,, because of their MONSTER ego. Because they get their jollies off of making people squeal, as they give up their own power. This recording had NOTHING to do with the safety of the border. "3 to 5 terrorists a day!!!" BULLSH#$!!!! THEY WERE GOING TO THE MALL!!!

All the while, the quiet smiling terrorist goes through without a problem. Terrorists will not make a scene when being asked what store they are shopping at.

[jsb_swampfox]

IMO most law enforcement officials, be it federal or local, tend to have the same personality types. Most, not all seem to have huge egos that are in need to be "in control", ie; "control freaks". I have experienced this in all forms of law enforcement. Coincidentally, the lower the agency the more of a "power trip" these people seem to be on. Not saying all are like this. The best thing to do in my country is to play their game. Although it is a tough pill to swallow when you have authority figures trying to dominate others in the name of law, in reality; it is their ego they are feeding. These people tend to be like this in their personal lives as well. No, I have nothing against law enforcement of any level, it is necessary. It is the over inflated controlling egos I have issue with....I have no issues with anyone in law enforcement, bless you all, the ones that do it for the right reason.

[Maia Gabrial]

I have a problem with abuse of authority....

[Lazlo]

I don't want to entirely derail this, but I have to speak up here.

I have both family members (now retired) and close friends who are law enforcement, a neighbor (who I think the world of) and a former employee. The VAST majority of LEOs are decent hardworking people who really believe in "To Protect and Serve." They are humans like anyone else and spend most of their time looking at domestic violence, drug tragedies, and car wrecks. It takes a toll. Only once have I ever ran into a LEO who was out of line, and his partner reined it in and made it OK.

Think of it this way, when you already have the supposition that the LEO that you are about to interact with is a Nazi douchebag, you are going to ooze it out of every pore on your body. They pick up on this and it all goes south from there. It is a very basic energetic process.

[Jake]

I DO apologize for my heated rant. This is a hot button for me. I will not give up my power, and that makes for a difficult life. I absolutely believe that any real terrorist is being supported financially and politically by the same nations that pretend to be at war with them. It is a rouse. A gambit. Meanwhile, at the borders, they put on a show for the people that they pretend to protect. Many of the Federal 'Agents' who man the borders are X-military, even military police,,, who were TRAINED to treat people like this, It doesn't have a damn thing to do with terrorism. It makes me sick to my stomach,,, I apologize.

[Unified Serenity]

I worked in law enforcement for five years. You could always spot the asshole with a badge and little brains behind it. They finally have authority via a uniform and by God they will use it! I watched it on traffic stops, walk ups, noise complaint calls. These were the cops who always got into a car chase, foot pursuit, high energy calls. I loved what one ol' timer told me on my first ride when a kid took off on foot. I asked him why he did not pursue the kid and he said that he knows where the kid lives, and he wasn't about to break his ankle running after the kid and stepping in a hole.

Now, I never doubted for a minute that had the kid been doing something nefarious the officer would have pursued him, but just to pursue cause they run? Sadly, it seems there are more of the thug mentality cops joining daily and less of the protect and serve.

Hugs to all you who do your jobs protecting us and don't treat us like criminals just cause you can.

Peace

[Lazlo]

I DO apologize for my heated rant. This is a hot button for me. I will not give up my power, and that makes for a difficult life. I absolutely believe that any real terrorist is being supported financially and politically by the same nations that pretend to be at war with them. It is a rouse. A gambit. Meanwhile, at the borders, they put on a show for the people that they pretend to protect. Many of the Federal 'Agents' who man the borders are X-military, even military police,,, who were TRAINED to treat people like this, It doesn't have a damn thing to do with terrorism. It makes me sick to my stomach,,, I apologize.

I agree with everything you just wrote.:hug:

I don't hate the dog that was trained to bite, I feel sorry for it.

[ktlight]

Hi Lazio, I accept the vast majority of LEOs are honourable. What concerns me is how do the LEOs who are not honourable manage to become small united groups.

[Maia Gabrial]

Dear Lazlo,
This was not meant to demean your family or other decent LEO's. It seems like the rotten ones are violating their authorty. And of course, the focus is on them, not the good guys.

[ceetee9]

Federal officers have no sense of humor (not that any of this was funny) and zero tolerance for people who make their lives difficult.

All the while, the quiet smiling terrorist goes through without a problem. Terrorists will not make a scene when being asked what store they are shopping at.Exactly! Any serious terrorist will know how to behave when passing through the borders. But the biggest problem I have with all of this faux border protection garbage is that the terrorists are already here and most of them work in Washington DC. ;)

[truth4me]

Peace, US. My intentions weren't to rile anyone with this crap.
That's how I reacted when I saw it, too. Just wanted people to see that even Canadians aren't safe from our thug cops.... You'd think they'd respect our tourists alittle more than this. Your post is fine. If this is a real recording it just shows you how things are. Evil isn't real.....right.

[HORIZONS]

Well, I have found that a soft answer turns away wrath - as I have tried other ways and they rarely worked out for my benefit. Do you really give your power away if what you are doing is for your own best interest? Sometimes taking your power back is just being smarter than the average bear ;)

[Maia Gabrial]

You said a mouthful, Ceetee! That's where they are for sure....!

[Lazlo]

Hi Lazio, I accept the vast majority of LEOs are honourable. What concerns me is how do the LEOs who are not honourable manage to become small united groups.

Maybe this was a rhetorical statement, but I do think that it is well worth discussing.

It's called the poison seed. Ever see a group of boys playing in the sandbox? All of them are sharing their toys and imagining building a city or a castle toghether. One of them discovers an insect and pulls the wings off. Before you know it every one of them is running around looking for something to torture and kill.

Most everyone is a follower. Unfortunatley, the leader types TEND to be marginally sociopathic (we could spend hundreds of pages discussing this and providing examples)

IF, the leader type is challenged by that one good kid who refuses to go along, the group can be turned away from misdeeds. What is so sad is that there are 100 type A bullies for every type A eagle scout.

[ghostrider]

sooo when I go to the shopping mall I have to know ahead of time which stores I will go into and how long I will be there and what I will buy and how much I will spend and what route I will take back and ect ect.... these fed Nazi's don't even realize the united states government is the real terrorist, the cia drug machine, you want to protect the united states start by visiting the CIA headquarters and ask them these same questions. where you going , when , are you an american, blah blah oohh no we're nazi scientist brought over to develop the atomic bomb , so the japanese can be reduced to ashes. enhumm ok move along. I hope CNN gets this and refuses to broadcast it and it goes viral on the alternative media sites and in the face of all the sleeping talking heads........ hope we find out who these feds are and make them famous . buttheads they aint protecting me the CIA is still in business. you wanna help take your @$$ to the mexican border and get the cartels n you'll find they work for the CIA.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Maia Gabrial ......If this tape is genuine......Three terrorists a day from one crossing!! ....Well Canadians you are obviously going to be next on the list for invasion.....Especially now US/UK are running out of Middle Eastern countries to invade!!!!

Iran ,Pakistan , and next Saskatchewen....

The trouble is the fear invoked by all these false flag terrorism threats, has got everyone jumpy......

Well the borders not entirely sealed,,,,

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[aranuk]

If I were an officer inquiring where a person was going to shop and he became quite angry I would KNOW he was innocent and had nothing at all to hide. A guilty person would never behave in that fashion now would he? Fascism is on the rise not only in USA but here too.

Stan

[Guest]

Hi Maia,

There are a lot of very good key points in this voice video.... the CBP -Customs and Border Protection Dept. of Homeland Security does not need to give a reason(s) (explanation(s)) for its questioning or sending someone into the secondary interrogation area. Anyone crossing into or out of a United States international border crossings does not have any rights.

In the state of California in San Diego County you can't drive into or out of the county without going through a Border Patrol check station Dept of Homeland Security. Highway 8 there are 4 stations, highway 5North 1 station, highway 15North 1 station, Ortega Highway 1 station. The agents ask questions like, "What citizenship do you claim or are you a United States citizen?" You have to answer that question right. Answering, "I am an American citizen" is the wrong answer. You have to answer either "I'm a United State citizen" or "yes." These border check stations are not set up at international border crossings. Also, they can set up these inspection stations anywhere. San Diego county is a good example of becoming a Fascist country.... I am just using this as an example.
They say they are just doing their jobs? The SS was just doing their job....

Godzilla

Nora

we are all related

[cloud9]

the Canadian citizen does not understand obviously that the border agents are given a list in the morning of the people that have to be checked throughout as well as the questions to be asked and that they plainly do their job following the morning orders.

Sometimes, the check up are random, sometimes it is all the white cars, sometimes just the guys with wife, some other times 1 out of every 10, etc. I think the American border agents inside was very polite and did explain very well his work, and that he cannot believe anyone on their words in order to do his job correctly. A friend a mine was once upon a time a border agent, this is why I know.

The American border agent did not have in facts, to explains anything because it may give too much on how they work and could be detrimental.

I have had encounters with border agents that were much much ruder to me without me being nervous, despising openly Canadian and our coiutnry and I had to shut up. These agents in the video were quite fine when they started.

The extreme patting in airports does make me go nuts though.

The Canadian is much too nervous unecessarily as well.

This is just my opinion (from someone crossing those borders at least monthly)

Well, that's exactly the way they assign american visas in my country, it's a game for them

[cloud9]

I'm sorry, I just wanted to add that there's absolutely no reason why regular citizens should accept this behavior from authorities, everybody who says it's their job or the guy had anything to do with it is plainly wrong.

Authorities should behave and do their job in a rational manner, they shouldn't have god powers over anybody, not without a good reason for it.
If they are in the middle of a conflict or shooting or any other dangerous situation it can be understood, but this is just a couple traveling. THIS IS NOT JUSTIFIED IN ANY WAY and we are terribly mistaken if we keep allowing this to happen, we will regret it sooner or later.

It's just a matter of principles but we don't see it as we should because it has not happened to us.... yet!

[Lazlo]

Lasts thougts and I'll let it go: Yes there are some power hungry LEOs on ego trips. Yes it smacks of a police state when innocent people are treated as guilty from the get go. Yes lots of people who like Ward and June Cleaver are humping drugs and "pharmies" across the border every day. There are plently of people who look completely "normal" that have been caught with ridiculous amounts of drugs.

"Hey man, take it easy! It's just a couple of ounces of blow for my frat brothers. We have this party coming up, and you know, it's no big deal"

A nice looking suburban white kid I knew really well is serving twelve years for running coke and meth from Canada into the US. This went on over a period of a couple of years and I had no idea. But, I did know a couple that broke up and had their young daughter taken away from them because of a nasty habit that they had, and were being supplied by this same nice-looking suburban white kid.

It's an EFFIN TRAGEDY. I wish someone had caught that bastard sooner before that sweet little girl had her life turned upside down.

We heard the interaction, but we did not see it. Was the gentleman acting fidgety or uncomfortable, was he sweating on an otherwise cool day, were his eyes glassy or unfocused? Would we even be having this conversation if the guy and his wife were just dropping off some drugs on their shopping trip.

The border agent was asking questions and the guy copped an attitude with him. That's it. This is not proof of the Nazis coming to take us all away.

[cloud9]

Lazlo,
I disagree with you, the officer started with an attitude first, not the other way around,, it's the way police officers impose themselves over the regular people. I'm very aware of every kind of problem possible but also they can't take everybody as a terrorist or criminal.