What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Ilie Pandia]

Hm... thinking a bit about Wade's previous post I came to realize that with Free Energy the survival of the species will not longer be an issue. We will become immortals (as a species). This will obviously impact our reproductive behavior. I expect that bringing a child into the world, will be a very conscious decision, and one not be taken lightly for the wrong reasons. This is not to say that you will be sad about it, your you're not allowed to laugh about it. You will no longer need the infant to create work units, or to get the stimulus package from the government, or to make sure someone will look after you at old age or will "carry on your name or your death wishes" or because "everybody does it" and is "human nature". Even though, very few parents will admit, I believe that their decision to have a child was based on scarcity or peer pressure (or it was an accident). The big love of the child comes later (if it comes).

So in a free energy society we will have none of that! All those reasons will become obsolete. You would only choose to have a child if you truly feel this will bring you joy and fulfillment in your life.

With regards to how sexuality will "evolve" in an abundant society, we can safely say that sex will no longer be a job, a way to blackmail somebody, or a way to hurt someone, or a way to manipulate another or to punish someone by denying the experience of it. And the flourishing creativity, the disappearance of taboos, the high respect we will have for our self and the other, and the personal freedom (of mind and body) that we will enjoy, will definitely transform the sexual experience.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Making of clothes, washing and hunging of laundry will become obsolete :)

Imagine we could use personal free energy device to create some kind of force field and a hologram to cover and protect our naked bodies.

Or we could cooperate with plants and animals and enter special kind of symbiosis where our bodies would be covered with flower petals like substance. It would be living self repairing and self cleaning garment. We could go a step further and make it suplying our bodies with food. Tailored to wearers DNA. It could also keep our skin clean and moisture.

[Ilie Pandia]

While reading the forum, it hit me that another big concept will be rendered obsolete in a Free Energy world. And this is a big one:

Support groups, Charity, Environmentalism and the "Anti-something" organizations.

This will most likely be tough to hear, but I believe that the vast majority of these groups actually help perpetuate the problem rather than solve it. Their own survival and mission is dependent on the continual presence of the problem they try to eradicate! Who would join a Charity if they knew that poverty would end tomorrow? What use would that have?! All these organizations are betting that the problem is a big problem, and one that it will not be solved any time soon! Just like finding the cancer cure, the huge amount of funding is dependent on not finding it.

I know this will sound a bit "new agey", but in an abundant society groups will be formed in support of something: Prosperity groups, Consciousness elevation groups, Comprehensive education groups, Space travel groups, Health promotion and so on. In all these cases, the survival and mission of the group is in alignment with the perpetual existence of the "issue" the group was created for :)

[Wade Frazier]

Very perceptive, Ilie. Yes, charities are largely rackets of a different kind. Idealistic organizations are co-opted and corrupted all the time. The Catholic Church used priestly zeal for its own ends many times, such as in French colonial Canada.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#french

The Peace Corps is really a tool of Empire:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/racket.htm#peace

and organizations like Mother Teresa’s order are arguably cults:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/racket.htm#teresa

In a world of scarcity, all good intentions are subject to being corrupted, and those efforts end up being part of the problem, not the solution. It is also part of the “hacking at braches while ignoring the root” problem. Yes, “do-gooder” organizations become obsolete in a world based on FE.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Along the lines of your previous post; another thing that will become obsolete is giving gifts, especially the material kind. Living around the ultra-wealthy as I do, especially in high-tech, where people like Bill Gates dress like I do, or Steve Jobs seemed to wear the same pair of jeans for years, material things begin to just be seen as stuff that can be a burden to have. Gift giving is a scarcity-based concept. Pretty much whatever I want, materially (except my own FE machine :) ) I have, and I have let it be known for many years that I do not want “gifts.” It is a burden to get “stuff” given to me.

In a world of FE and related technologies, gifts of “stuff” will become obsolete. Whatever somebody needs, they will have, as a matter of course.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

This will be a slightly off-topic post.

Thinking about Free Energy, and taking into consideration some of the mystic writings, it seems to me that we need a consciousness shift (as a race) before we get to have Free Energy. In fact, with such a shift, the road to Free Energy devices is quite straight forward and before this shift, misuse of Free Energy could be "disastrous".

The shift that I am thinking about, must be from: "I care only about myself and the loved ones close to me" to "I care about every human being and our advancement as a race". I know that, intellectually, almost everybody here "cares about every human and our advancement as a race", but how many of us are really aware of the starving children or the undignified lives of the humans living below the poverty line? When we fill our gas tank how many of us feel responsible for the cheap oil that is a major cause for war? How often do we remember that civilization is how we cater for the most "unlucky" of us? How often do we realize that much of our comfort is sometimes gain and the expense of others? Looking at the world, it seems not often enough... looking at myself, it seems that not often enough...

I understand that Free Energy would make "how to split this small pie?" question obsolete, but here is the thing... it seems that before we get to Free Energy, we need to raise our awareness to split that pie (as small as it seems now) with everybody on the planet. How can some of the restaurants for example, throw away food (because we've ordered so much, we can't eat it), and children still die of starvation in this world? Can we really say that we can handle the infinite pie of FE while this is happening??

So here's the paradox for you: can we have the infinite pie before raising our consciousness and awareness high enough, to at least be willing to split or give away our share of the small pie?

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

Yes, you are zeroing in on the crux of the conundrum. Which I have written about plainly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#question

Here is the conundrum, plainly for you. As Roads said in that interview on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=309392&viewfull=1#post309392

Only 3-5% of humanity is even trying to raise their awareness at this time. I’ll buy that. Of those who are even trying, the vast majority can’t shake their indoctrination, as they are trapped in scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

Those ideologies are also egocentric, and yes, they encourage people to either ignore the starving children, or in my great nation, we celebrate genocidists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bitter

The level of awareness that you think we need before we have FE is simply not there. Not only is it not there, when people like me begin pointing out the blood on my nation’s hands, and so on, the attacks that I receive are truly crazy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll

When people like Dennis try to do something about it, they are figuratively burned at the stake (it used to be literally).

This is the great conundrum. Darkness rules the planet right now, and most of humanity is its eager accomplice and victim. The only way out is love. When hearts awaken, the heads will follow. But unless the Ascended Masters show up or the ETs land on the White House lawn, it ain’t gonna happen, not now. The reason that we have the situation that we do is that not enough people care enough. It is that simple:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

I have watched saints sacrifice their lives on this one. It took me a long time, after I got my own clock cleaned, and searching for groups that I thought might be receptive to the FE and abundance message, before I found out that there is nobody home, anywhere on the planet. There is no group on Earth that “gets it” today. If some began forming, the forces of darkness took care of them. That is just the reality of living on Earth today.

Sheldrake’s Causative Formation and the Hundredth Monkey theories have been discussed plenty at Avalon. When somebody posted that Gregg Braden said that only 8,000 people would be needed to change human consciousness and raise it to where stuff like FE can happen, I said “Amen, Gregg.” I have been envisioning about the same number for many years. And I did not just dream it up; I came to that number after playing on the High Road to FE, and traveling that terrain:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

I really think that if somewhere between five and ten thousand people can leave behind the scarcity-based baggage for long enough and simply imagine abundance, and eventually begin to sing it, what I call the “harmonic” effect may happen, in Sheldrake fashion. Nobody has ever tried it before.

Also, however, in order to really understand the FE conundrum, people have to first understand how energy runs the world. The vast majority are scientifically illiterate, while the professional scientists are indoctrinated into subtler mind-traps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#subtle

In order to really understand, in a nuts-and-bolts way, people have to think comprehensively, like Fuller did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

Not many have been able to do that in human history, but my website, and especially my upcoming energy essay, is intended to help people think comprehensively. The stark reality today is that somewhere around one in a thousand people today even want to think comprehensively, unable to think past their ego-traps.

There is no city on Earth full of comprehensive thinkers who have their hearts in charge. Those of us who have played the FE and abundance game know how lonely the path has been:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#lonely

But, there is reason for hope! Scott, for instance, is continuing the FE interviews that he began with me earlier in the year (and it was an honor to have Jeane Manning and Brian O on the show after me):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

Tomorrow, Adam Trombly, fellow FE activist and comprehensivist, is going to be on Scott’s show:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/upcoming-shows.html

The movie Thrive is coming out in a month, which will feature Brian O, Adam and Greer, along with people with my respect like Amy Goodman. I am cautiously optimistic.

So, if those potential ten thousand are not in any one spot, but are scattered around the planet, how can they be brought together into that choir? In that regard, I am taking advantage of new technology: the Internet. I hope to begin a conversation (these Avalon conversations are a long way from what I envision) that will be a home where the lone voices in the wilderness can come, where others can warm their hands around the camp fire, and maybe, just maybe, we will begin to hum the abundance tune. I ask nothing from anybody other than their awareness. It took a lifetime to get to where I did and, as you know, the journey was by no means easy, but I have glimpsed where we we may be able to go, if enough of us can just imagine it.

But there are a million rabbit holes to disappear into, and you see it plenty on my threads and elsewhere, with people with inventor-itis, Young Warrior delusions, thinking that the “left” and “protestors” hold some promise, and so on. That choir that I envision will be Level 12s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

and I may have met ten in my lifetime so far. This is not going to be easy work, by any means, but it can usher in the next epoch of the human journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

and one that can look a lot like Heaven on Earth. I doubt that I will get to experience that heavenly world that Roads visited in this lifetime:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

but I hope that before I cash in my chips, I see it heading in that direction. Without FE, it probably can’t. So, I will agree that a critical mass of us need to raise our awareness for FE to manifest. They can carry the ball until humanity is ready to. For 99+% of the human population today, they will not get their minds in gear until somebody delivers FE machines to their homes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

That is just the state of the patient. This thread that you began, Ilie, is part of the class that I envisioned. I will be beginning that thread of positive visions soon, with what Ernie and I have done so far. That is all part of the curriculum, and we will see how it goes.

OK, back on topic! Let’s see, what else will be made obsolete by FE (I am literally making this up as I write this)? Gas stations! :) OK, too easy. Let’s see…..

Large scale urban infrastructure, such as highways, sewage systems, power plants and electric and gas lines. As I have stated before, urban civilization becomes obsolete with FE and what comes with it, such as advanced transportation (anti-gravity technology also exists today http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground ) and communication technology. Nobody will need to be isolated, in hillbilly style. Everybody will be just as connected to humanity as they want to be, and when people stop playing the Games of Scarcity, we will be more fun to be around. :)

So, in finishing, I agree that some of us will need to raise our awareness before we have FE, but for the vast majority of humanity, the reality of FE is what is going to catalyze it. The Big Boys know very well what I am writing about. That is why they keep the lid on FE as tightly as they do. It is not about protecting the energy market; it is about protecting their place on the throne, as they play the scarcity game, too. The lambs will teach them differently, I hope.

Best,

Wade

[nomadguy]

This might be a post for the someplace in the beginning of the thread,
anyway, Where to begin?

from my own tests I have found that if you start with
Water. How to use it, and respect it You will find that to do this TRULY may not be not as easy as it sounds.
For example - to make effort to ensure that all water you use from your sink in your kitchen, makes its way back into Earth "thoughtfully" and not automatically.

As to say, that you yourself become part of the water cycle in place of your pipes.
OK, lets say you will begin to take portions (perhaps buckets) of greywater to your orchard or shade trees.
As you begin to do this you will see for yourself first hand the responsibility of the one element ~ Water.

What you will also see is that now you are directly interacting with the cycles of nature and that it responds in kind.
The Trees you are feeding are now going to begin to work for you. You feed them ~ the shade you and provide wood and/or food. A first step is taken.

If we are to create a newer technology to help us evolve in balance,
the technology also needs to be balanced and I think it is also likely the only< way to discover these kind ideas is also from a state of balance.

Good posts yall! :tea:
Cheers
C...

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Various forms of escaping from reality will become obsolete. There will be no need for intoxicating our minds with alcohol, drugs or pornography to "free" our minds from and "forget" for a brief moment of this "nightmare".

With FE or rather omnipresent mindset accompaning FE reality will become to much fun to escape from. I imagine every second of that new life as continous and neverending active group meditation. Where everything just flows undisturbed and everybody can consciously choose to "simply" be in "here and now" aware of oneness with every atom and spirit nearby...

Today meditation in isolation and hiding in monasteries is also form of escaping reality... Kind of avoiding to face our problems "heart on"... But i know that drawing any line here is fuzzy... Unles we are sure we have full insight into particullar matter...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi nomadguy:

Yes, your post was off-topic, but not by that far. :) What you are suggesting is for people to reconnect with nature. That is part of the work that needs to be done. In the watery Northwest, they do not need to play the irrigation game, but in each place on Earth, even on the 25th floor in Manhattan, a person can connect with nature, even if it is a flower pot. The work that I am doing, especially in my upcoming essay, is the kind of stuff that asks people to think more deeply, such as where does that water come from that we water our plants with? It was placed there by the hydrological cycle, which is powered by solar energy. FE can make solar-powered resource supplies obsolete (another thing that will become obsolete, folks! :) ), and can also make the “waste” problem disappear entirely. No lugging around buckets of water as a daily habit, but yes, if it helps a person understand the cycle of life better, then it can be a good thing. You might want to begin a “back-to-nature” thread, if you are so inclined.

Hi Robert:

Yes, nobody would want to “escape” a world like this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I have been a fantasy fan since my father handed me The Hobbit when I was fourteen. I remember reading a critic long ago say that if he had a chance, he would go live in Middle Earth in an instant. If we have Heaven on Earth, would fantasy literature go away? Ah, that would be one of the downsides for me! :)

Going to work now.

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Wade i have been fed with fairy tales since my childhood. I really never stopped watching children cartoons ;) My kids "force" me to watch it even more now ;) I don't complaint i don't have to watch "adult" tell-lie-vision. There is nothing real there. Kids stuff too is unreal but it don't pretend to be real ;) But anyway watching tv i s a form of escaping reality. I hope tv will become obsolete even before we have FE.

As for fantasy and scifi literature i don't feel any need to read it today. Don't get me wrong. I used to read 5 scifi books at once ;) But one day i figured out that the world we created is more unreal than many scifi books. I got intrigued and began to scrape the thin surface layer. And the deeper i dig the more i realise that there is more secrets to discover. So basically i am more preocupied with our unreal reality than unreal fantasies. Boredom will definetely become obsolete :)

[Ilie Pandia]

If we have Heaven on Earth, would fantasy literature go away? Ah, that would be one of the downsides for me! :)

Not go away, but evolve to a new level :)

[Wade Frazier]

OK guys. I am curling up into bed with my fantasy novel (scarcity-based fantasy : ) ), now. On boredom, I may have been bored a few times as a teenager, but that was about it. Yes, boredom should be obsolete already, although I often pine for a “boring” life. :)

Best,

Wade

[Unified Serenity]

Wade, I am thoroughly enjoying your work, and your website. I am curious how you would view my experience with energy and how I for lack of a better term work to use it or work with it. I lack some words to explain what I do energetically, but my best explanation is that I turn inward and yet experience the universe at the same time. I feel this immense river of golden energy that has a flow and feel to it. It is not cold or hot, but it is soothing. I see every soul in it, and yet most are like a simple gate that is solid standing in the river neither aware of it or their ability to experience it and be one with it.

The energy is beyond my ability to calculate, and it is never ending. I cannot explain this enough, or express the feeling of that first moment when I have helped someone in a soul healing session to see themselves no longer as a solid gate/door, but one with slats and they can slowly open a few slats to experience that wave of energy. I experienced that energy in a moment of profound hurt where I had to forgive a terrible betrayal despite the one who harmed me or sought my harm had no desire for any forgiveness. I simply admitted my hurt and not knowing how to forgive them but that I wanted them forgiven and I was floored by what happened. I experienced the most profound agony and ecstacy that lasted initially for hours. I was undone and overwhelmed experienced this divine experience often for over a year. That was back in 1995, and that's how I started soul healing on a new level.

I know this is a long post (I do tend to be verbose), but my question for you is that out of my experience with energy, this river, and now I use it in various ways as I see fit, but it's always this divine river and it can be "tapped" at anytime for we are all truly one with it. Is this where you see us going in a new way of living, or do I just sound nuts to you? I am not an engineer, but more a mystic seer. Have you ever been to this place I am speaking of?

edit: Not sure how this ended up on this thread so I will leave it here, but it's meant to go on wade's thread.

[TelosianEmbrace]

So, does anybody want to start a positive visions thread, or shall I?


If any one will start a positive visions thread, or positive effects and side effects of Free Energy, please post a link here.

I still want to continue for a while longer to try and bring some light into some dark corners were scarcity may hide. I feel there is still more cleaning up to do before going "positive only" :biggrin:
I have just started a thread based on positive visions only, and humbly ask any who wish to share their visions of a future world, a world of abundance, to post it here-
projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth

[Wade Frazier]

Hi, Unified Serenity:

I answered your query here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=330456&viewfull=1#post330456

Hi TelosianEmbrace.

Thanks. Watch that thread! :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi TelosianEmbrace:

I made my initial contribution to your new thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330505&viewfull=1#post330505

We’ll see what that thread stirs up. Thanks!

Wade

[TelosianEmbrace]

Some great stories there, Wade! I like Ileah and the Whale! One of my wishes in this life is to get close enough to look deep into the eyes of one of these beautiful creatures.

I'd like to be a part of keeping this thread ticking over, too. I know it's been said, but no more noise pollution. No more power tools, no more revving or idling engines, no more noisy helicopters or planes. No more sirens. I am often dismayed by just how degraded our thoughts and meditations are when we are distracted by these. I can only imagine what these sounds are doing to us on an energetic level.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi TelosianEmbrace, or is that Thor? :) Awesome tale, yourself. I got to swim with wild dolphins last year, and got to look one in the eye from about arm’s length.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=114629&viewfull=1#post114629

I might try that one again, but we’ll see. Unforgettable, for sure.

Yes, an FE world will be a lot quieter. :)

Best,

Wade

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's another way to look at how Free Energy could affect us.

It used to be that one had to train and hire scribes to hand copy manuscripts. Copied "digital information" was expensive to reproduce. Now it is nearly free for all to copy and send. Look how that has changed the economics of information. The same could apply to the economics of energy.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Wonderful comparison, Paul! A few more thoughts along this line and we have a bridge over to the free and available FE.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Paul:

Good analogy, and it definitely could, but there is the little matter of the Church torpedoing any attempts at making computers (or even printing presses), to borrow from the information analogy, and the masses currently unable to even imagine an iPad, for instance. And if they glimpse an iPad, they lament the passing of books and newspapers. But yes, if that hurdle is overcome, energy will literally become so cheap as to be practically free, and how much of it do we want?

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Hi Paul:

Good analogy, and it definitely could, but there is the little matter of the Church torpedoing any attempts at making computers (or even printing presses), to borrow from the information analogy, and the masses currently unable to even imagine an iPad, for instance. And if they glimpse an iPad, they lament the passing of books and newspapers. But yes, if that hurdle is overcome, energy will literally become so cheap as to be practically free, and how much of it do we want?

Best,

Wade

Like breath, thinking that life and oxygen are free..we will take as small a sip as we need at the given time.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

What else becomes obsolete? Some of this is redundant, but prisons, commands, economic, social and political hierarchies, urbanized civilization, weaponry and coercion. My understanding is that with advanced ET civilizations, especially those who learned the lessons of love, they sometimes have encounters with dark pathers, but they have truly defensive technology. They do not subscribe to the human adage, “The best defense is a good offense.” Not only can they read minds, so dark pathers do not have a prayer of playing their games of deception, but if the dark pathers come at them with intent to harm, the light pathers can do stuff like put them to sleep or take them out of their bodies for a while, and when the dark pathers return to consciousness, their weapons have been turned into flower pots and the like. For societies oriented around love, not only can’t the dark pathers really play their games there, they literally cannot handle the vibe there, as love makes them uneasy, even physically ill, as they are addicted to fear-based hormones and such. If dark pathers ever showed up here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

they literally could not last long, and would escape as fast as they could.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

Wonderful posts! Wish I had time right now to reply to many...it's late...I will say that the transition can be overwhelming--it's already playing out in our imaginations. We're creators. We will have many rugs pulled out from under us by FE - and we'll end up with flying carpets! Regards to all.

[Ilie Pandia]

This was mentioned before, but I will mention it again in greater detail.

Marketing and advertisement industry will become obsolete. In today's world very few strive to create good, useful products. Most try to manipulate you into buying the stuff they sell, useful or not! They use scare tactics for which their product will provide relief. So that will become irrelevant.

For those working to create the ads, especially the visual ones: I like most of your work! The colors you chose, the compositions you create, the effects you apply, are most of the time wonderful! And in a FE society you will be free to use such talents to express yourself or help other express themselves, and no longer manipulate "the paying customer".

The ads industry is of course deeply rooted in scarcity. With Free Energy there will no longer be "ads", but only information on the latest products that satisfy a genuine need. (I said genuine because we don't need a big car just to feel worthy or valuable or beautiful - the most common emotions targeted by ads). The information will be presented in way not to "force you to buy", but in a way that is most easy to understand what the product is about. No need for "emotional hooks". So in this regard a lot of products will just fade out, simply because nobody would need them any more.

Such products include firstly the "low quality ones", because it would simply no longer make sense to use those products or to manufacture them.

And I personally believe that most products in the cosmetic industry will also fade away. All humans will be, feel and look more beautiful and healthy because of healthy food, pure water and air, and a "stress free" creative life style. (Probably some cosmetics will remain as an artistic expression, but I seriously doubt that...). Following this thought probably fashion will be gone too :biggrin: (and all else related to vanity).

Oh, and one thing leading to another :). With ads and "race for profit" gone, we will quite naturally return to natural remedies. Some of those remedies are suppressed (no doubt about that), but most are simply ignored because "there's no money in it". Why research some medicine that anybody can grow in their own house? Where is the profit in that? And just to set the record straight (and also put the power where it belongs) it is we that have allowed this to happen, and I should say that most of us even asked for it, with our desire for "a quick pill" (instead of a holistic approach to health and life style).

[Ilie Pandia]

Being "tired" is another thing that will be obsolete in the Free Energy society.

I've noticed that when you do what you love, you're pretty much un-stoppable... you're "in the flow" of things. You do not get tired and it seems sometimes, that you don't get hungry either :biggrin: The task at hand is a source of energy or nourishment for you in itself. And I imagine that in an abundant world... this will always be the case :). Just imagine feeling energized and happy to be alive, every morning that you wake up! instead of a few moments that you count on one hand.

Another thing that I've stumbled upon again are contracts! We basically need contracts because we are afraid of each other. We are afraid that someone else will get a bigger cut from the small limited pie! So we make contracts, and give some pie to a third party, that we believe will enforce those contracts if needed. All of this will fade away when scarcity will no longer be the "background thought" in everything we do.

Also any form of "power over" will go away. It seems that the GC (global controllers) are simply following the model that we've setup at a lower scale. As long as we will enjoy and support "hierarchical structures" so long we will have the GC. As longs as it feel good to be "the manager", "the CEO", "the person that runs things" around here, just for the sake of ordering other people around, we will keep "manifesting" the GC structrue. And we give in into this structure because: 1) we are afraid of taking responsibility for ourselves and what is happening around us and 2) because if "feels good" to have "power over". And if you can't be "the boss" at work, you'll be "the boss" at home, right? Well... with abundance everybody will be truly free and the only reason you will "follow" or listen to somebody, is because you feel inspired by them. Love will be the motivation, not fear. As Neale Donald says in Conversations with God, we will have "power with" instead of "power over".

PS: I could not write this post without thinking of my administrative position here at Avalon. Is it "power with" or "power over". Probably a mix of the two ;).

It is "power with" because I believe that this is a good way to use my tech skills to empower others to express themselves, to search for "the truth", to make this platform possible. I am not an essential part of it, but I help in the ways that I can.

It is "power over" when I use the moderation tools to prevent "harm" from happening on this forum. And in my mind at least, those tools enable me to perform the "power with" part (even thought I am sure not everybody will agree:p).

But as I've said in the past, in a Free Energy world, we would not need a moderation team, due the the natural respect and love we would feel for each other. The moderation team will only be a tech or support team. So there you have it: moderation team will become obsolete in the abundant society ;)

[zebowho]

Excellent thread! Now that I'm finally caught up! :D

One of the things that I think will become obsolete is established religion. This will not occur at the outset of the release of FE but only after a certain "settling" of the idea and technology within most people. As has been stated so much on this thread, the kindness, respect, compassion, the pure honest heart felt human nature (which we're capable of now) that will become so easy to offer from each person and without any attachment other than "just giving" will begin to focus one's perspective inward, true spirituality will become a thought focus. The FE itself will allow a person to modulate their own frequency which will in turn set each individual squarely on their Own spiritual path with Creator and not a path with the middle man we call established religion, ie: no interpretation needed!

Something I see included with the above is also health care, most medical professionals (if not all) will become obsolete since there will be those that have made it quite a ways down their spiritual path, we'll see natural healers like this world has never seen. Having the organic bodies we do, we'll still experience birth defects and possibly some new diseases but with their level of spiritual potency, the natural healers will be able to, with a thought, will away the problem. Heck, we all may be able to do the same to some extent, save the super serious issues for the healers...our new specialists!

Ernie, you've given us all a graphic glimpse of the potential beginnings of the abundance revolution and I personally Thank you for that!!

-z

[Wade Frazier]

Ah yes, Ilie, self-obsolescence is the goal! :) I look forward to the end of my profession. There won’t be any accountants in a world of abundance. History’s first writings were primarily accounting, in all societies that used it, generally to count up the royalty’s tribute. That primitive stuff should disappear in a world of FE.

Great posts.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/10/26/google-funded-project-confirms-vast-potential-for-geothermal-energy/
I honestly do not know how this fits into the scheme of things. Or why Google has invested money into it. Or if this should be on a different thread. Thanks in advance for any comments on this article.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello CdnSirian,

Geothermal (along with solar, wind and ocean waves) energy will become obsolete and it is not the solution to go. They would fund and invest in anything where they can have monopoly so they can put a meter on it. It may be better than fossil fuels, and possibly cheaper, but it will still keep the control structure in place. I also suspect that the costs of installing the new "geo thermal" plants are pretty high at least compared to what it would take to manufacture and distribute the ZPM (zero-point-module) device. So, in my view, this is again hacking at the branches...

[zebowho]

{Whoops, the first "hi' was meant for Wade on another thread!} edited to move to the right place.}


Hi CdnSirian,

I would personally say its a non starter like energy from wind and solar. These things typically end up being a distraction to FE (get us looking in the wrong direction). While they can generate energy, they're not even in the ball park when compared to energy from the ZPF. Take a quick glance at the comments section, on your linked article and you'll see what I mean. An example: The main story wasn't even corrected to include that geothermal energy extraction also has negative impacts where the story still says it doesn't.

Look at it this way, with FE, there would be no need for "wires" to connect your home to a power plant or the problem that Tesla ran into with his wireless electricity, no need for a meter either!! No need to build "plants" to extract energy, etc. etc.. You will become your own energy plant.

As far as a possibility for the reason Google is involved, I would say that Google is involved because they see it as another "oil" industry and they're trying to get in early...so to speak.

One thing I tell people that I talk with about FE is to look at it this way, remember the scene in the Matrix (Yeah, where the premise is one of the worst for a scarcity mindset) when Neo walks into the room of Potentials when visiting the Oracle, the boy bending the spoon hands one to Neo and says, "Do not try to bend the spoon, that is impossible. Only try to imagine the truth, that there is no spoon". Then I leave it there, if people really want to think out side of the box their mind will play with that for a moment and they'll either give up or actually start thinking comprehensively on the subject and come up with some deep thoughts.

I honestly believe the only option for a replacement to fossil fuels is FE, everything else is just the same as the oil industry, negative impacts to the environment, cost more money to put in than get out and there's always a "controller" of the tech when you and I have to pay for it.

Interesting to see those circles are still going in...um, circles!! :D

[CdnSirian]

Thanks Ilie and Zebowho. That was my take on it, yet I wasn't sure. I was surprised to see that this was being developed at all, even at the idea level. Regards.:)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

In his last years, Brian O was trying to get an assistant to help him crunch numbers and chase down information, and it largely revolved around the “traditional” alternatives, such as wind, direct solar, tides, hydroelectric, biofuels, and the like. Brian was one of the early alternative thinkers on the subject, and served on a Congressional subcommittee during his days working for Mo Udall:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary#Political_activities

Brian was one of the early advocates of space-based solar-collectors, asteroid mining, and other NASA-style solutions. He eventually left that all behind, for various reasons, but he came to the conclusion that the traditional alternatives were too little and too late. In Adam’s interviews with Scott:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=330627&viewfull=1#post330627

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=336132&viewfull=1#post336132

you can hear him say that the solar panels at his facilities are good transitional technologies, but that there is not enough time to cycle through those to FE. I agree. My early orientation and my days with Dennis were around getting more energy out of a gallon of gasoline:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

selling the world’s best heat pump:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

and then trying to marry those technologies to do FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#pursuit

That is all kid’s stuff compared to ZPE, and as Ilie and Zebowho point out, “alternatives” like geothermal energy come with all of the baggage of the traditional energy industry. No meaningful innovation is coming from that direction, and it serves as a distraction, IMO. On my thread, you can see biofuels and other non-starters get bandied about. My upcoming essay will deal with the traditional alternatives. There are several problems with geothermal. One is that rock is a poor conductor, so you will run any significant geothermal operation “dry” pretty quickly. The people who know their stuff say that geothermal could only be “practical” if it was done in a swidden-ish way, with geothermal wells being drilled all over the planet, and they would have to continually move to new wells while the “dry” ones recovered.

You might be amazed how often I get approached by people wanting to do direct solar, high MPG stuff, windmills, and the like. I really don’t know why they contact me. I have no interest in any of that, not anymore. For most who get a sniff of FE, there is no going back, for several reasons. There are all sorts of alternative energy “solutions” paraded about out there. Even Dennis is playing the high MPG carburetor game these days, most likely as a way to get a leg-up. To those who try those paths, I wish them the best. Maybe one of them will make it, but it if they do, it will be because they were allowed to. I am trying to do something else.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

Thought of this while driving to work today passing another squished animal on the road. I always salute them and thank them for gracing our planet with their presence, and apologize for our clumsiness. If we have vehicles that can glide a mere 15 inches or so above the surface, all these creatures will be safe. Roadkill will be obsolete, and eventually animals will be born into recovered environments. I'll be happy about that.

[David Hughes]

I've gone through every post here on this thread and made a summary list below of all the different technologies, activities, and concepts that would become obsolete with FE.

What I had failed to properly grasp up until i started reading this thread is that it really could be possible for the whole planet and ALL its inhabitants to live a heavenly existence in a FE based society. Pretty much everything that irritates me about this world is deeply rooted in this scarcity paradigm, including myself. I haven’t posted on this thread before because to be honest I really had no idea as to the full extent of what exactly would become obsolete. I couldn’t really think past the obvious things it would affect like fossil fuel consumption, our modes of transport, lower pollution, lower energy costs etc. This thread has shown me that there is a hell of a lot more to this than the obvious. The whole structure of society changes.

Nowadays i'm living in Seoul in Korea with 11 million other people, and its mind-boggling to think about how it would all change with FE technology.

Here’s the list based on the posts made so far:

Gas Stations; Cars and other current modes of transport; Heavy Machinery; Plastics; Prisons; Roads and Highways; Electric Grids and Pylons; Power Plants; Radio Towers; Cranes; Shopping Malls; Barbed Wire; Batteries and Chargers; Locks and Keys; Borders; Hotels; Moving Part Technology; Cities and what we currently call Homes; Billboards; Hazardous Dwellings; Obstructed views; Farms; Banks; Embassies; Shopping Malls; Processing Plants; Preserved Food; Pesticides; The Great Pacific Garbage Patch; Landfills; Fast Food Chains; Airports; Solar Powered devices and all other current Alternative Energy Technology; the Weapons Industry; Cosmetics and Cosmetic Surgery; Vacuum Cleaners, Microwaves, Gas Stoves and Ovens; Elevators and waiting for them; Government Run Schools and Fee Paying Universities; Capitalism; Materialism; Violent Medicine; Wars; Human Conflict; Riots and Protests; Famine; Human Suffering; The 3rd World; Homelessness; Crime and Theft; Visas and Passports; Drug Addiction; Murders and Homicides; Traffic Jams and Huge Commutes; Parking Spaces; Computer Technology; Patents; Insurance and Assurance Industry; Big Pharma; The Lottery; Gold as money; Power cuts; How we heat water and cool air; Countries and States; Bureaucracy and Involuntary Taxes; Noise Pollution; Material Gift Giving; Support and Charity Groups; Human Sexual Relations; Sex Crimes; Disfunctional Families; Weekends and Vacations; Human Induced Global Warming; Fossil Fuel Pollution and Consumption; Dirty Air and Water; how we handle Waste; Over-farming and plow Agriculture; Strip Mining Land; the Forestry Industry; Centralized Energy Production; Obesity and Related Illnesses; Diet; Stress; Greed; Getting Ripped Off; Racism; Bigotry; Boredom; Deadlines; Frustrated/Wasted Genius; Secrets and Lies; Gossip; Working 40 hour weeks for Bum Paychecks; Excessive Waiting; Rote Learning; Road-Kill; Politicians; Accountants; Lawyers; Bankers; Brokers; the Police, Army and Navy; Presidents; CEO’s; Doctors and Surgeons; Priests; Psychologists and all of the other professions that live off the current system; The Idea of Efficiency; the concept of ‘Profit’; the ‘Me’ vs ‘You’ concept; the concept of Illness; our concept of ‘Time’ and ‘Free Time’; our idea of what it means to be ‘Wealthy’ and ‘Happy’; the concept of ‘Saving’ and ‘Profit’; the concept of Labor and Work; the concept of ‘Ownership’; the concept of ‘Fear'.

If the title of this thread had been – ‘What is your idea of heaven?’ , I would have described a world without all of the above.

I hadn’t dared to think too much about a future world like this before because I previously considered it unattainable in my life time. I also find that fantasy type thinking quite difficult having never read a single sci-fi/fantasy novel, and having never even watched an episode of Star Trek. Visions like Roads' we're nice to read but a little too far fetched for me. Now, however, I see that if free energy were to emerge, all that good stuff really isn’t all that far away at all. In reality, it's actually well within touching distance because the technology for generating FE already exists. All these futuristic 'heaven-on-earth' type visions then no longer remain pure fantasy. They have a basis in reality. And in a reality where our conscious beliefs and intent have a huge influence on our reality, focusing with positive intent on visions of the future for oneself and the planet become highly important activities.

[TelosianEmbrace]

Well summarised, Tyler! Now all I have to do is read your post to see if something's been mentioned or not! Your realisation of the extent of the transformation with the implementation of FE is admirable. We have had this technology for a long time, and even our futuristic visions of today will soon enough become dated and obsolete.

No more shipwrecks. I read in a channelled message once that the ocean floor must be cleared of this wreckage. As a diver I have dived on and inside a number of wrecks, the most famous being the SS President Coolidge in Vanuatu. The common perspective is that these become a haven for fish life, yet there must be better ways to promote abundance and diversity in the oceans than sinking rusting ships. So these ships will be salvaged and the materials converted to something more useful.

[Tahi]

Welcome Tyler... :-)

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[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Tyler,

Now that you have a firm grasp of what will become obsolete perhaps you will want to write a post on this thread: A Future Earth (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tyler:

I doubt that I can properly express the satisfaction I receive when I see posts like that. What a long walk in the wilderness it has been. A few months ago, I was encouraging Ilie to do something like this, and if it opened one more person’s eyes to what can be, it would be worth it. I think we reached that goal. :) This issue is multifaceted and, as you can see, its implications are simply overwhelming. It all rests on the energy issue, however. But, it really all rests on the love issue. Energy is love’s expression in our reality. That positive world that Roads saw was built on love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

but it was their loving acquisition and application of energy that defined their physical existences. That negative world was also technologically advanced:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

but there was not free anything in that world, except for the pill that painlessly killed you when you got sick. The point of this thread is to help people understand what can become obsolete if we had abundant, clean energy. It all depends on that, and without abundant, clean energy, almost none of it can happen. That is why the FE situation is watched as closely as it is.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#make

People who dismiss the organized suppression as a conspiracy theory have no idea how the world really works, what is at stake, and so on. Even when people move beyond the denial layers of the FE Onion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level4

they almost always get stuck in some orientation that is fear-based and scarcity-based. They don’t realize that their very orientation defeats them before they begin. I have been saying for many years that I just want to make FE thinkable:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

and this and the related threads are beginning to do just that. After you began to understand this thread, you might have wondered why on Earth would anybody not want to at least think about the world that FE can make feasible. There are many reasons, but it comes down to people having dug into their niche of our scarcity-based world, and they found their “tricks” that enabled them to survive, and any kind of change threatens their niche. The Big Boys with their suppression of FE are playing the same game, although their niche is a bit larger than a beggar who “claims” a street corner as his. All of the world’s dominant ideologies are scarcity-based:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

Scarcity has been deeply baked into our bones, and one of the first exercises that people need to go through is to recognize it. Then they can go about removing it. A good way to begin the process is to read a thread like this. So, to recapitulate my work linked to above, these ideologies also become obsolete with FE:

• Nationalism
• Capitalism
• Organized Religion
• Scientism
• Materialism
• Rationalism

Which has been said, in one way or another, already on this thread.

Yes, the world of Roads and Star Trek is not as far off as you might think. You may think that I am aiming low, but I would be happy if we simply stopped destroying the Earth and each other, as we play the energy scarcity game. I hope that before my number comes up, that we can just turn the corner. Getting to a Roads-like or Star Trek-like world would be the fun part, as would living in that world, of course.

Yes, CdnSirian, roadkill would also become obsolete. No life forms would “get in the way” in the kind of world that FE makes feasible.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

Ive gone through every post here on this thread and made a summary list of all the different technologies, activities and concepts that would become obsolete with FE ……….ive added a couple more but the biggies have been covered….……we are obviously talking about a massive overhaul here that would drastically better our current lot……


Indeed, we collectively can embrace cooperation and abandon competition, at last.

[zebowho]

Hi Tyler,
Excellent summary, very well said! As you've pointed out we all need to see beyond the box that is our current situation of scarcity based living to envision abundance and that future reality, which is really closer than most will even consider right now, sadly they are too stuck, but that too will become obsolete.

Chad

{clarification edit} "sadly they are too stuck", This is not to say I am better than most, I firmly believe we're all equal. It is just an outside observation.

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Zebowho:

Another label for what I am attempting might be called “The Unstuck Program.” I truly believe that when more become unstuck (from scarcity to abundance), it will create the conditions for more to become unstuck. Nobody can be dragged from being stuck. They must do it with their own horsepower. This cannot be forced on anybody, or it undermines the intention. The means become the ends:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#idealist

If several thousand people can truly become unstuck, then we may see some harmonic effects happen. That is what I am trying to do. (Yoda, “There is no try.” :) )

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Great posts! :) I'd love to hug you ALL :) And then we could use our FE powered antigrav wingsuits and go for a fast paced Earth flyby ;) Not to high not to low just right between sky and Earth... Or better yet between mountains ranges or green valleys... Oops wrong thread... I'v lost myself ;)

[Elly]

(...) After you began to understand this thread, you might have wondered why on Earth would anybody not want to at least think about the world that FE can make feasible. There are many reasons, but it comes down to people having dug into their niche of our scarcity-based world, and they found their “tricks” that enabled them to survive, and any kind of change threatens their niche. (...)

Thanks. I feel this statement is important. Once a person has gotten a handle of this present game and finds a successful "niche" where to play, his instincts tell him to protect this. A FE world would be one with a whole new set of rules and this implies a redefinition of who we are as human beings. Very few seem to want to take this unsure road.

Post Update

This unsure road is the more exciting one. Nothing in the present compares to it. We've been there, done that (long enough). War, famine, violence, corruption, destruction, pollution will anyhow become obsolete, willingly (it just makes no sense) or not (it's just not sustainable).

[Wade Frazier]

Yes Cara, do we live in our little niches of hell, or do we leave to find heaven? This is really the question that we face, but few are even brave enough to honestly ask the question. I have seen this play out innumerable times, even when it is something as mundane as getting all truck drivers home at night:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/trucking.htm#combat

People fear losing their niche in hell above all else. It is that background hum of fear that dominates people’s lives, like Frank’s:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=180815&viewfull=1#post180815

I am looking for a few courageous people who can simply imagine what the healed Earth would look like.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

(...) After you began to understand this thread, you might have wondered why on Earth would anybody not want to at least think about the world that FE can make feasible. There are many reasons, but it comes down to people having dug into their niche of our scarcity-based world, and they found their “tricks” that enabled them to survive, and any kind of change threatens their niche. (...)



Thanks. I feel this statement is important. Once a person has gotten a handle of this present game and finds a successful "niche" where to play, his instincts tell him to protect this. A FE world would be one with a whole new set of rules and this implies a redefinition of who we are as human beings. Very few seem to want to take this unsure road.

Post Update

This unsure road is the more exciting one. Nothing in the present compares to it. We've been there, done that (long enough). War, famine, violence, corruption, destruction, pollution will anyhow become obsolete, willingly (it just makes no sense) or not (it's just not sustainable).

Hi Cara. Yes, we want to progress from "Only Human" to "We are human and we are cool!". I think many hearts are open to the new, even if they have never heard of FE. Maybe we'll evolve from the 100th monkey to the 1,000,000 monkey. I'm not a numbers person, but I can see that. -Getting there. Thanks!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As an addendum, it blew me away more than twenty years ago when I saw AIDS patients choose certain death over being willing to try a cheap and painless treatment:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#doom

I am still not sure what I was seeing, but I think it had something to do with blind faith in the system, and not being willing to do anything that challenged that faith, even if it meant their deaths.

I would like to think that such behavior would become obsolete in a world of FE, but I am not sure.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Oh my.... I have family members that drink tons of pills and endure pain, but they refuse to even try some cheap alternative medicine... in the worst case scenario nothing happens and is really cheap to just try it...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Another example of this is the gall bladder and liver flush, to remove gallstones. I heard about it for many years before trying it myself about ten years ago. While organized medicine goes into hysterical diatribes against it, and falsely attributes the stones to the olive oil and salts used in the flush:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/would-you-like-a-liver-flush-with-that-colon-cleanse/

the stones have been analyzed and they are gall stones, made of cholesterol and bile salts, not olive oil and Epsom salts. Some people even provide directions for proving that they are not artifacts of the flush process:

http://www.truthquest2.com/liver-gallbladdercleanse.htm

http://www.curezone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/rusfox/default.asp

http://www.curezone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/

And pictures of surgically removed gall bladders show the same kinds of stones:

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/gallbladder_removed/default.asp?i=0&n=43

Anybody with minimal gumption can do the cleanse. Clark’s procedure calls for an herbal parasite cleanse first, and I can testify that it is the most fun part of the process. I looked forward to taking the cloves every day.

A pal of mine works with extremely overweight women who regularly have their gall bladders removed. When he has mentioned that they can remove the stones without surgery, painlessly, they invariably reply, “I prefer the surgical option.” I call such behavior "The March of the Lemmings":

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#lemmings

With FE, the scarcity-based paradigm can shift, and the racketeering can end. Nearly all large professions and industries are rackets today, and even “humanitarian” organizations play similar games:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/racket.htm

Racketeering, and its willing victims, I think will come to an end with FE.

Best,

Wade

[David Hughes]

Thank you all for helping me wake up. I'll try and work on a visions post but i'm still trying to get my head around all this first. It's a very liberating feeling to better understand the full extent of the FE conundrum. It strikes me as being a very powerful thing to know about and properly understand this stuff - especially if u combine it with virtue and loving intent. The bit that i'm struggling to understand the most is how on earth anyone could understand all this and arrive at the conclusion that it should be suppressed, used for personal financial gain, control, and the promotion of scarcity? Makes no sense to me.

I read in one of Wade's posts recently that the idea of a loving, abundant, heavenly reality makes certain individuals sick at the thought, and they would be far happier in a 'Bladerunner' type of reality. I tried watching that movie for the first time not so long ago and had to switch it off after an hour. What you do with this kind of knowledge once acquired seems to be the tricky bit. I'm glad Wade and Ilie have taken the paths that they have because i would still be very much asleep otherwise.

Two more things that would disappear: reality tv and the pursuit of fame.

[Wade Frazier]

You were already awake, Tyler. :) A lot of this FE stuff is hard to wrap your head around, on many levels. That is why there are all of those layers! :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

You chased down Brian O, and when he directed you to my site, you dove in and came up for air months later….not very many people do that, young man. You were already thirsting for the truth, thirsting for what FE can bring about like nothing else I know, which is healing for humanity and the planet. I do not tell you this for your ego’s sake, and you already know that, but to tell you that the awareness that you are building is important! You have stated before that you think the number is something like one-in-a-thousand that even seem to be willing to think in the directions that a thread like has been traveling on. Yes, the numbers are like that. So, when somebody like you begins to see what I am talking about, your awareness needs to be nurtured. When I get one in the bag, I am reluctant to let it go. :)

All this FE and healing the planet stuff is pretty new to you. It is new to all of us at some stage. Some come to it earlier than others, but when you begin to grasp the immensity of what it means, it is not easy to turn your back on it. It is the blessing and curse of being aware of this information. I ask you to just let this information roll around in your head in the coming months, and let it gestate. There will be plenty more for you to chew on in the coming year, but please just allow the information to gently sit in your awareness for now. The sinking in part will take the rest of your life. I have been living with the FE potential for 25 years, and I realize that I am just scratching the surface in all of my efforts, writings and imaginings.

As Cara stated, while the outcome is far from certain, what is certain is a very dark road ahead if we do not solve the energy issue, and soon, so why not take a chance on heaven, instead of settle for the certainty and familiarity of hell?

People like Adam think that it may well be too late for humanity on this round, but I think that we will get a happy ending, and maybe in my lifetime. I strongly encourage you to keep paying attention to where this conversation goes. As far as I am concerned, the important conversation has not begun yet, but I hope to get it going next year. Thank you for lending your awareness to this issue. If you know of a bigger one, let me know, OK? :)

Best,

Wade

[David Hughes]

Thanks Wade.

I'll let you know if I encounter a bigger issue :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tyler:

The table that you are thinking of is here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age

Yes, the power-and-control game is one that younger souls enjoy playing. But, as you say, it could be argued that they are merely masters of a game that all people have been playing. It is past time to grow up. Earth won’t be hosting a sentient species for much longer that is bent on playing those fear games and can take out the ecosphere while they are at it. Not many planets get to host life as we know it, and we are not allowed to mess up the game for everybody, although it can appear that way right now. Big changes are coming. But, this power-and-control game is deeply baked, so deeply that anthropologists call it “human nature,” and games that we will never stop playing. I beg to differ.

On Adam, yes, he has been scathed. Dennis has, I have, Brian was, Greer has, and so on. Unlike those guys, I have not had to survive a murder attempt. Getting one a year like Adam has experienced is far more than anybody should have to endure. It is his path. You should have seen me at points on my journey. I was a mess for a long time. The sledgehammer hurts, but being attacked by friends and family, while the sledgehammer was coming down, was the worst part for me.

When Dennis did his Philly show in front of five thousand people, one of my pals said that it looked like he had a huge emotional spike in his chest that he was trying to wrench free. I did not notice it that way, but I was probably too close to the situation. I have had Dennis and Brian tell me about the murder attempts that they survived, and I have seen Greer break down when talking about how they took out his team after those Congressional hearings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#adamiak

Greer seems to have overcompensated and gone über-warrior, but I have also heard that he has been subjected to spook stuff that has almost made him a different person. The people playing at those levels should not have survived their experiences. The murder attempts were intended to take them out, but even when people survive the experiences, the scars run pretty deeply. I wish for deep emotional healing for all of those heroes. They have more than my respect; they have my awe. I was there for the darkest part of Dennis’s journey, and it was like going to Mordor. I was there, and I can barely imagine what Dennis lived through. Dennis and Adam are the only two people I know of whose life’s story would simply be unbelievable to almost all listeners (and I would eagerly watch the movies of Brian's and Greer's lives - but not the Hollywood versions, though :) ). But, when you pursue FE and planetary healing, the stories are all too true, I am sorry to say. For my part, they are forgiven for any anger that they seem to have. Some is not anger, but it is something else that is not easy to put a finger on, and could be considered the directedness of being on a mission.

I don’t have their courage, and don’t want to sit on the hot seat again. I am looking for lambs. I don’t want to ask people to risk their lives, and I have a pretty good idea of the kind of behavior that attracts the murder attempts, and I am going to avoid them if I can, and they will take me out before long before they take out somebody like Ilie, so I can play the canary in the coal mine. I think that ten thousand lambs can accomplish what ten Indiana Jones’s can. I have not found ten Indiana Joneses, and I have yet to find ten thousand lambs, but I am trying. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

I’ll butt out of this thread for now, and put the related post to the above on the general purpose thread.

[David Hughes]

Some of the older headings may cover these but i don't think that any have been specifically mentioned before:

Clocks and the 365 day calendar, Neon, Whaling, Dolphin hunting, Cyanide fishing....

What happens to sport if there is no longer me vs you? Maybe it will stay around purely for exercise and personal enjoyment.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Planned obsolescence will become obsolete...
Since there will be no need to make more and more "profits" (they will become obsolete too ;) ) all items will be designed and made to last generations... There is also no need for everybody to stuff their dwellings with items rarely used. Like hiking gear etc. Such items could be pooled in one place for everybody to use freely. If all choose to take care for this common good, volume of waste would decrease dramaticaly...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Scarcity-based thinking will become obsolete. It is scarcity-based thinking to think about waste and hoarding. Think of Star Trek’s replicators to get an idea of what I am referring to. People could have as much stuff as they wanted, or as little, and it really would not matter. Earth would not be harmed to get it, and it would never become waste to burden the ecosphere, so it really would not matter much. As long as people were not dominating the ecosphere to either get the materials for their goodies, or burdening the ecosphere with their leftovers (right into the recycler it goes) or by their lifestyles, it really would not matter.

I even saw Brian O say that personal helicopters would be a bad idea. Well, only in an unenlightened implementation. In this world, personal transportation is a cinch:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and it could easily become that way in this world, with FE, anti-gravity and other technologies and materials kept under wraps. In this vision of mine to get all truck drivers home at night:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/trucking.htm

I was just taking advantage of communication technology that existed at the time, to coordinate trucks and loads. The technology is here today to have the equivalent of air-traffic control and built-in navigation in flying “cars” so that there is not a risk of collision. All transportation would be silent, safe, and unobtrusive. For goods that are fitted to a person’s body, like hiking gear ( :) ), they would use their gear for their lifetime, and then it goes into the recycler when done, or given to somebody else, or the gear molds itself to each body, and so on. Some goods would be “communal” like the communication grid and perhaps transportation and food production, but probably not much else would be, although I can see that peacekeeping “force” of grandmothers to ensure that FE was not misused in the early days of the transition.

Yes, Tyler, competitive sports arise from the scarcity idea, and go way back to what anthropologists call “elimination contests.” There is always one ultimate winner, and everybody else loses. Capitalism works the same way. All of those competitive sports, competitive games, nation-states competing, businesses competing, planned obsolescence, and so on, quickly become seen as relics of a scarcity-based world. Of course, fighting over resources, which is at the root of all wars, quickly becomes an obsolete idea.

Most of the ways that we think about our lives on Earth would become obsolete. Even a thread like this is only some early-stage groping toward the idea of abundance, but it is a good start.

Best,

Wade

[motherlove]

When the grandmothers have gathered the paper notes to support the inventors, the manufacture and the implementation of free energy devices in enough homes to facilitate the cascade of this realisation I have two questions. Where do we send the money? Who will protect and defend this movement? Lets believe what this would look like as well. Best Wishes.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Motherlove:

There are many ways that it could happen, but it really depends on public awareness. The thousands of lambs have to first create some harmonic effects, generated by their enlightened awareness. What I learned over the years is that an inventor with a gizmo is virtually worthless in today’s environment. They are easily picked off, one at a time, with the carrots and sticks:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#make

if they don’t fall prey to their foibles and those of their allies before they ever become a “problem” that needs to be dealt with:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

The inventors are not the important part of any upcoming FE movement, paradoxically. That is part of the problem. Inventor-itis is an early-stage awareness that must be overcome for this to get very far along. The problem really is not one of technology, but of humanity’s collective integrity and sentience. More people need to find their inner strength and integrity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

What I envision is that if enough people can truly wake up, making the FE devices and bringing them to the public will be the easy part. The problem is that humanity is a great, slumbering beast at this time, and when people begin to wake up, they almost invariably hack at branches and ignore the root. The root of our life on Earth is the energy situation and always has been.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

Until enough of us can focus on the situation in an enlightened manner, this train is going nowhere.

When money begins changing hands to get practical on the FE front, if it needs to come to that, the ideal is a publicly-transparent charity, with an open-source technology that nobody is trying to get rich off of. That has to be the beginning orientation, or it is doomed to failure. I could go on a lot longer on this subject, but I am actually hard at work on my Brian essay this morning, before I start my fifteen-hour day at the office. Thank God I am fasting! :)

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Mass media as we know it today will become obsolete.

In today's world, Mass Media is mostly a tool to manipulate the population's opinion to agree or disagree with something. There is very few "real information" available, and the choice of what makes it into the mass media and what doesn't determines our view on reality. We basically have allowed mass media to decide where our focus goes! (and you'll never see any Free Energy on the Telly)

I imagine that in an abundant society, information will be freely available on request! News bulletins, if still present, will be customized as a personal subscription for every user. This way each one will be responsible for what he or she chooses to "feed the mind" with. No more blaming the "system" for manipulating me into believing this or that!

Going even further I think there will be no need for the daily news. When you'll need something you will just have to ask, and you'll get the most up to date and accurate information available. At first you will ask a computer, but later, when our minds will be more calm and "disciplined", you will only think of the question and information will be readily available.

PS: I liked Wade's note that this tread will become obsolete. That will be a happy day :).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

If we turn the corner into an enlightened implementation of FE, these threads at Avalon and my site’s writings will become part of the history before FE made it past the organized suppression. They will be seen as relics of the era. The biggest event in human history will get plenty of attention by historians, biographers, and so on. Even today, WWII spawns an astounding amount of literature, movies, art, parades, etc. Or see how Rome keeps getting treated by the popular media and academia thousands of years later. Amp the WWII coverage up by an order of magnitude or three, and you get an idea of what the FE impact will be on those fields. The impact will be felt for millennia, if not far longer.

Adam, Dennis, Brian, Greer and the like will become significant historical figures. Adam, Dennis, and Greer are still in the game, so their story is not finished, and I am working on Brian’s legacy right now. Of course, Godzilla is watching, the public is sleeping, and so on, so there are various ways that this all could turn out, but I take my public writings very seriously. I would not have taken on this interacting with the public chore during my mid-life crisis, because I would not have done very well; my writings would have had plenty of rants in them. Avalon could become something more than a forum of largely anonymous participants, but we will see. To get humanity over the hump on this issue will take the best that we can muster. It will be anything but easy, but the primary issue is in our heads and hearts; it is not really an issue of technology, although it can appear that way to the casual observer. And wouldn’t it be neat to have future readers of this thread, as some historians dig through the Internet archives, say, “Well, they got some of it right, but it turned out far better than they thought it would.” :)

Best,

Wade

[motherlove]

Thank you all for sharing the brain storm of possibilities. There is a lovely reality being created from your efforts my mind can not even wrap my tongue around it. Best Wishes

[CdnSirian]

And we can retire our Straw Persons...:). Good Day all!

[wolf_rt]

Could it be the main reason for the cover up is...

Free energy makes rationalized evil impossible.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Wolf_rt:

I said it several times in my interviews with Scott:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/public.htm#interviews

that the Big Boys know full well the game they are playing, as do those down their pecking order. FE would mean the end of their earthly game of domination and control. When you begin to understand how the energy situation shapes our lives, it becomes obvious how it all would change, and radically. There are various shades of the dark side of the force, but those on top are in the heart of darkness. FE would bring the light into so many areas that the Big Boys would either have to get used to being just one of the gang, or go find a new herd to exploit.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Understanding the reality of Free Energy and what it could do for man kind, makes you go crazy when you read about "austerity measures", bailout packages, money as debt, slavery through dept, forceful birth control, sacrifice the many to benefit the few, inflation, depression, economic growth (that in our days refers only to the exchange part of the economics), "hair cuts", "to big to fail" and so on.

All of the above would become obsolete and boring in a Free Energy society. Together with all the "let's-pretend-we-care-about-the-people" talk in the EU meetings. Free Energy is the big, huge pink elephant in the room, that everybody is doing their best not to see, so they can continue their "play". Money is thrown at us from all directions, only to hide the fact that it is not money that powers things, is energy! And in terms of energy, the technology is here to provide more than enough for everybody, regardless of how much money they make or what their "credit score" is.

One can only imagine how funny, sad and incomprehensible must all this look from a future point of view, when Free Energy is common sense. It's like watching people running after money to buy food, when all they have to do is turn around and see all the food that is already there for free. (You just have to drop the wrapping that says: "this food does not exist", "this food violates the laws of cocking")

[jorr lundstrom]

Free energy just evaporate the carpet under the feet of those who still

defend the crazy idea of ownership.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/EWKmoderjord.jpg

[Ilie Pandia]

This is pretty much how humans "not think" about Free Energy today:

http://calatoriecatrecentru.com/free_energy.png

[CdnSirian]

There are many stone henges in the world. I know they were here for generating energy. Witchhenges, icehenges, drumhenges, birdhenges, smokehenges, these were all wifi. And most of them are still here. We can connect, if need be.

[Ironleaf]

Yes, with plenty of FE available, less work to do, availability of everything, it will get boring. Channel mind and effort to NASA and open space for humanity.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Yes, with plenty of FE available, less work to do, availability of everything, it will get boring. Channel mind and effort to NASA and open space for humanity.
Boredom arises from the scarcity of ideas. From limitation of the awareness. Limitation of the awareness is something we consciously choose. We can choose differently :) I will definitely be not bored by abundance. But i might get stuck for a short moment because of not to be able to decide quickly what to "bite" first ;)

Is it possible for abundance of choice to be limiting?! Nah...

[motherlove]

I can imagine a world of health and wholeness from the implementation of free energy. In a spiritual sense There would be time to heal the trauma of lack in the collective unconscious and conscious. Which is necessary before travelling the stars as it seems that most problems are caused by us not knowing who we are and not having time to allow who we are to be. History, Medicine, Music, Art, Language, Education would all have to be rewritten as free energy would change everything. When we accept and allow free energy the whole realisation of its implications will take years to enliven a preprogrammed populus. We will live in a world where learning is fresh and alive it totally supports babies born here rather than torture them from birth. Free energy to me is consciousness and we need to start using it yesterday. Best Wishes

[Ilie Pandia]

I was at the store today to buy some fruits, and for the first time I've noticed that they were selling products labeled as:

"Second Quality" and "Third Quality" (as opposed to "First Quality" products - not sure how this works in English).

And I thought... well, this is another thing that will just fade away in a FE society. No more less that "best quality" products on the shelves! This is such a scarcity based idea: "let's create poor quality products because they are cheaper" or "let's consider the price/quality index" or "if we use poor quality material will sell things cheaper that the competition".

If a Free Energy world, a world based on abundance, the products that do not pass the highest standards of quality available are not sent out as "second grade goods", but rather reverted back to "basic elements" to be reused as new building blocks for "the best products we can have".

Everything will be "first hand", "best quality", "best design", "most durable", "least amount of environment impact", and those will keep improving with each generation.

[nomadguy]

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[CdnSirian]

Wanted to post a reply - but how long does the message have to be?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Wow - the first message I posted - which was way longer than this one---couldn't post because it was too short. What's up with that? So my REAL reply wouldn't post.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Motherlove:

Yes, the impact of FE will be felt for a long, long, time. Once FE makes it possible to eliminate the direst threats to humanity and Earth almost overnight, it can be a leisurely trip to soak the new paradigm in. Beautiful post.

Hi Ilie:

You always nail it. Yes, lesser quality for the “poor” will cease to be a concept, as will the best quality for the “rich.” Hierarchical economic systems will quickly be seen as barbaric relics of the Age of Scarcity.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

About a year ago, I found an organization called "Charity:Water", and though, with a few friends, we were not able to pay for an entire well project, we did contribute toward one. Partially because of the videos and still images on their website, and partially just because I love to visualize, the first projects I visualize with FE are not in my car, or my house, or my community, but rather in the deserts of Africa.

I had a migraine headache once, from dehydration while visiting a desert in Southern California, from allowing myself to go too long without water. I don't have a clue as to the day-to-day suffering of someone who deals with water scarcity (and terrible water quality) as a way of life, but I have that one distinct memory as a reminder of how precious and wonderful water can be.

So, my recurring vision with FE and abundance has me in Sub-Saharan Africa, in a verdant valley, with children laughing and playing in gushing water. Huge smiles, bright eyes, strong healthy bodies - the dire struggle for survival a nearly forgotten distant memory. Water delivered desalinated from the ocean, a thousand miles away.

I have not yet broken through with a vision of abundance that is so all-encompassing that I even start to visualize off-planet activity related back to our planet (as Wade has done with the brilliant vision of mining asteroids to obtain mineral raw materials without having to cause environmental havoc here on Earth.)

Keep visualizing my friends, keep visualizing.

Dennis

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dennis:

Nice to hear from you.

Well, Brian O was there long before I was on mining asteroids. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary#Academic_career

but yes, bringing pure water to all of humanity would be a no-brainer and one of the first applications of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

the nice thing about FE is that it makes innumerable positive visions possible. Without FE, virtually all Utopian visions in history are unworkable, especially as they have all been based on shared austerity, not abundance.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#austerity

Imagining futures that are assisted by technologies that already exist can be immensely rewarding and fun, and can help us get there, in very real ways.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Here's a thought: unless automobiles, buses, trucks, motorcycles, etc. actually achieve anti-gravity and thus the needs for roads would diminish (disappear?), we will still need roads. But we don't want to keep using up our tectonic plate lubricant, and use "tar" (heavy, dirty petroleum) and crushed rocks for roads. I see a machine that crawls forward (like the current asphalt machines) but it is burning the surface dirt and melting the surface rocks into a carbon/glass/basalt surface that needs virtually no repair ever.

Maybe this is a silly idea. Maybe we want to do away with roads as being wasteful of space. Space better used for trees, food crops, etc.

But, then again...

The concept of holding a physical book and turning pages appears to be giving way to the electronic reader-gadget-thingies, but there will remain the "old fashioned" desire to turn physical (hemp paper!) pages while sitting in the shade of an oak tree. So, even with antigravity, there will always be a desire to walk and run, and probably bicycling too. Maybe the carbon/glass/basalt surface melting machine will be more like the size of a foot path than a multi-lane superhighway?

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Since we'll be doing a lot of cleanup on planet Earth for a while, we'll need some way to dispose of toxic substances, by breaking them down into harmless elements or harmless compounds. I see a variant of an incinerator for this.

But, there is a massive amount if "in situ" soil and water that is contaminated, and it would not be practical to bring all of that soil and water to a fixed incinerator station. We'll need mobile cleaners. Perhaps something like schools of robotic dolphins, swimming through the oceans, and cleaning as they move - along with coastal and offshore fixed stations to cleanse and discharge sea water.

On land or at sea, we'll want to protect the microorganisms that were unlucky enough to have been in contaminated soil or water, but hardy enough to have survived it. So, the cleaning machines should first extract as much of the living microorganisms possible, cleanse them separately (maybe osmotically?), then clean the soil or water using intense heat to alter the toxins and or fractionally distill the water. Then, add the cleansed microorganisms back with the water or soil, (stirred, not shaken), and release. It just wouldn't be Earth without our microorganisms!

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Dennis,

I believe (perhaps naively so) that if we get the stressors out (continual pollution with petroleum, plastic, radio active material) and do some very basic cleaning, Mother Nature will help us along greatly, especially those micro organisms.

Yes, perhaps some form of roads we will still require, but no as much as we do now, and not with the heavy environment impact. But with the advent of hover crafts and jump rooms, roads will simply be "pathways through nature" where to enjoy a walk with friends.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dennis:

Not long ago, I had an exchange with Brian O, and I said that we were going to get FE, or we won’t. Brian agreed. There will probably be little, if any, middle ground. FE always is the big one, as far as suppressed technologies go, but the hoard is huge, which contains anti-gravity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

hundreds of exotic materials (Flubber is not as fictional as you might think), and many technologies that would make most of today’s industries obsolete almost overnight. If FE gets out, the others will be following closely behind it. That is why the lid is kept so tightly on FE, because all heaven would break loose if it got out, with what would come behind it. Roads would quickly disappear if FE got loose, as would most of today’s manmade structures. They are all based on energy-scarcity, and with FE, cities largely become obsolete, with their attendant infrastructures, such as water mains, electric lines and electric plants, ecosystem-dominating farms in the hinterland, and so on. Human civilization will quickly become something that looks totally alien to today’s humanity. It would be radical change such as there has never been before, and it could be loving change, not something to be afraid of. The fear of change is only "appropriate" for a world of scarcity, because change almost always translates into winners and losers. With FE and abundance, everybody can win (except the dark pathers who would no longer find fertile fields to grow their fear crops, but they will eventually be redeemed, too).

In my interviews with Scott, I mentioned that people like Dennis and Greer have been tagged as contenders for bringing out FE and other technologies, because the Big Boys are riding a tiger, and have no graceful way of letting FE out without there being plenty of embarrassing questions, such as how long they have had it, why they kept it under wraps, and so on. There is a strategy to dribble it out through people like Dennis and Greer, but so far, the forces of suppression have prevailed.

On those microorganisms, yes, once we turn the corner, even the microorganisms will benefit. The human body is nothing more than microorganisms that decided to play together. That will be a subject for my upcoming essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#footnotes

Best,

Wade

[Hughe]

HAARP and laser has same root, frequency manipulation.

Laser blade which virtually can cut any material by high density energy light is coming out. A good example is a Laser engraving machine that put line on glasses, wood, stones, metals, etc. It won't wear out like conventional metal, composite blades. It can do hundreds things. How much a company saves resources by using it? A lot. Strong laser beam cuts thick metal plate or stone. Military application is a laser beam weapon that destroys even satellite or fast moving vehicles. HAARP is for mass-scale weather manipulation to destroy a region. TPTB wouldn't want every capable citizens have the same mighty power they exercises.

There is alternate method of reverse aging body. Human body is set of molecules. Manipulating the molecules' frequencies change body structure to reverse aging or cure specific diseases. Instantaneous healing does the same. An inventor developed such machine in early 1930s but somehow it's been removed. I know why they did. Pete Peterson mentioned information field. Some scientists released research papers about it. David Wilcock talks about the source field. They are dealing with one thing in different names. Cloning, growing body parts will be obsolete. But, those stupid people will have convinced us until FE technologies come into play.

Cleaning up the industrial waste, radioactive materials probably easier than we think.

[Dennis Leahy]

I believe that my visions of the FE future are infantile. I think I need to spend more time under the bodhi tree.

:~)

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

I believe that my visions of the FE future are infantile. I think I need to spend more time under the bodhi tree.

:~)

Dennis

Ah Dennis, please don't say that and just keep them coming :)

[Wade Frazier]

As Ilie said, we need all hands on deck, Dennis. Keep your imagination in the game! :)

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I am getting old and forgetful, and maybe this has been addressed on this thread before, but one thing that will fade away in a world of abundance are brand names. There won’t be fifty different brands of “consumer” goods, like shoes or electronics or energy. There won’t be companies trying to beat others to the market to make a capitalistic killing by capturing the consumer by cornering the market. It will not work that way at all.

I stated in a recent post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=374157&viewfull=1#post374157

that the future worlds that Roads visited I do not consider to be fantasy, but real glimpses into probable realities. Those electromagnetic bubbles that people traveled in did not have brand names. There were different models, but there were only different types to meet different needs. Inventing and technological advances were not made by people trying to get rich and famous, but to make life better for everybody. R&D was done by everybody cooperating for the highest and best for all. If an idea did not resonate with the highest and best, or the technological path did not, it quickly became evident to all concerned, and the path was abandoned.

I know that can be incredibly difficult to imagine, but the situation that we see today is based on scarcity. A world based on abundance looks radically different, both on the surface and down deep in people’s hearts and minds. Fear will not reign; love will.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Spontaneity will abound in that future. This is a highly under-rated idea.
How many times do we hold ourselves back from what we wish to do for fear of looking stupid or making a spectacle or having no time or other obligations supercede it or its too expensive a proposition or a thousand other excuses? So we don't say our truth or stand up for whats right or volunteer at the food bank or foster a child or give away our money or a million other things this world is so in need of.

Denis, the wonder of a child is exactly what we have lost in this society. Never loose that, my friend.

[Ilie Pandia]

I am sure this was mentioned already, but it needs reminding.

With the advent of Free Energy, Wall Street will become obsolete. All of it! The brokers, the companies, the buildings and the "big money" guys (and girls). For those that make millions of dollars a year for moving numbers around, trying to outsell or out bet their competition, while using other people's money, Free Energy may be their worst night mare. (A limited point of view really!).

I've watched the other day "Margin Call (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615147/)". That movie reminded me of Wade's posts about his LA days. About the life style (if you can call it that) in a big money company. The enormous pressure to "succeed", the back-stabbing, the soulless life, the worship of money above all else. "We will destroy everybody in order for this company to survive!"

But what I really got for that movie was an interesting speech about the "normal people" that will get hit by this financial disaster. Will (a lead salesman), explains that "we are needed because the normal people want us here. They don't care what we do or how we do it, as long as they get to live their royal life styles in houses they cannot afford". (not an exact quote). He really pointed to where the source of the problem is: the lack of awareness and the lack of personal integrity! Wall Street was the coolest thing when the (fake) money keep pouring into our accounts and pension funds. Everybody wanted a piece of that pie!

But in the end, Wall Street is a nice concept, a words construct that we can look angrily at, but who works there? We do. Who lends their money to be gambled with there? We do. Nothing that goes on Wall Street could go on without our approval (even if that approval is not a conscious one...).

So if we would think in abundance terms instead of competing and "being the best", who in their right mind would spend nights and days in a Wall Street office? Worrying sick they may make a bad call and becoming poor the very next day... being able to sleep only drunk or under the influence of narcotics. Having to sleep ready to be at the office in a minute notice to prevent the market crushing around your ears... In an abundant world that would be totally absurd...

[Wade Frazier]

Brilliant, as usual, Ilie. Yes, many of the observations that I have made can be seen in many places. Mine aren’t wholly original realizations, but it really helps to see the phenomenon up close and personally, to drive it home.

Recently, I talked with one of my fellow travelers who used to subscribe to the “bad ol’ elites” paradigm, and to a degree still does, but I have watched him change his tune over the years during his adventures. He now admits that the primary reason why we have the world we do is because John Q. Public has not only settled for it, but in many ways has actively and eagerly supported it. It really is an issue of caring. At bottom, the issue is that we are an egocentric species that really does not care much about anything beyond the tiny spheres of our personal lives. Until people are willing to care about something other than filling their bellies and temporarily sating their addictions, this nightmare will continue. They do it largely, however, out of fear. Being cut off from the conscious love of the creator is not exactly a fun ride, whatever the reasons for it may be.

The Internet has been a special boone to humanity to help make the world a smaller place, where the “impunity” of the dark pathers has more difficulty staying under the radar. However, the Internet’s benefit is still more theoretical than real. Watching how Americans have acted since 9/11 has been very educational:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#wtc

Like it or not, this is one of the most accurate analyses of the American mind and spirit that I have yet seen:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/07/15/considering-the-obvious/

How these genocides can be almost completely invisible in the USA:

https://sites.google.com/site/iraqiholocaustiraqigenocide/polya-gideon

https://sites.google.com/site/afghanholocaustafghangenocide/polya-gideon-afghan-holocaust-afghan-genocide

is a grim reminder of what it was like in Germany as the Final Solution progressed.

Yes, in a world of abundance, people selling their souls for a full belly or cheap thrills will be seen as ludicrous. Getting there is the hard part, and I think that the only people who can blaze the trail will be awake and with their hearts in charge (AKA The Lambs).

Gotta run.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

I was given the opportunity recently to point out a few "not widely known" realities of our system to a nice intelligent young man who knew virtually nothing about the financial crisis beyond the basic 1% - 99% "occupy" jargon. Not that there's anything wrong with that because it did give me a springboard to launch my assault on his reality (just kidding, sort of).

And I've noticed that I know and more surprisingly can articulate a rather coherent but broad spectrum of related information on the subject matter behind the "occupy" slogan. I'm no expert by any means but in the last week I have pointed a few of the more inquisitive minds towards the Camelot Portal, and the Avalon Forum in particular. That's how it spreads: plant the seed, water when needed, harvest when ripe.

I am grateful to this site for solidifying my knowledge into a , more or less, cohesive whole. And the more I learn, here and elsewhere, the more I come to see that I knew all this stuff once, long ago...

Thanks Bill, for Avalon, and thanks to all its members for adding their part in the Great Remembering.

And thanks Wade and Ilie for the beacons of light that you both are in this sometimes dreary , and weary world.
We will prevail

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ernie:

Glad that we could help. Good luck in reaching people.

What I always hope prevails is love. In the end, it will. :)

Ho, ho, ho,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ultimately, we are love, yes?

[Wade Frazier]

Yes, that is what Level 21 particularly is about:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level21

The only worthwhile path to FE and abundance that I see is based on love, and it may well be the only one that will work.

[Ilie Pandia]

And I've noticed that I know and more surprisingly can articulate a rather coherent but broad spectrum of related information on the subject matter behind the "occupy" slogan. I'm no expert by any means but in the last week I have pointed a few of the more inquisitive minds towards the Camelot Portal, and the Avalon Forum in particular. That's how it spreads: plant the seed, water when needed, harvest when ripe.

I am grateful to this site for solidifying my knowledge into a , more or less, cohesive whole. And the more I learn, here and elsewhere, the more I come to see that I knew all this stuff once, long ago...

Ernie, my thanks for this post! A major "click" for me happened just now!

This is exactly my experience too. I used to read about free energy and think about it, but writing my own thoughts and the vision posts brought a lot of clarity to my mind!

I believe this is exactly why such exercises are required! They do expand our awareness about Free Energy and they help us express that more clearly to others. To use Wade's choir metaphor a melody starts to show where there was mostly dissonant noise.

Where before I had to struggle to find the right words and concepts and put them together, now writing and talking about Free Energy is much much easier for me.

This also goes to show how big an inertia we're up against here ;) (most humans don't even think about FE let alone speak or write about it...)

[Wade Frazier]

Beautiful posts, guys. Somewhere in these threads, I discussed the choir idea and how it took Jose Silva many years to train his first adult in the Silva Method:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

while it was easy to train children. It is probably going to be a similar dynamic with forming the Abundance Choir.

I began my journey as an innocent idealist. Even at the beginning, I was a singer, but my song had a long ways to go. If I had not experienced my adventures, especially those years with Dennis, my song would not have matured into something that a choir could sing. Even then, I have been learning plenty of new notes along the way, and it is only here at Avalon that I have seen that a choir could form. Until now, we were just a few voices in the wilderness:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#lonely

Brian O used to say that combined positive intention could make FE happen; it was the choir idea.

Again, it was not until I was introduced to Bucky Fuller in 2002-2003 that I really knew what kind of song I had been singing:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

But during my midlife crisis:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/opinions.htm#crisis

I was in no shape to sing, not really. Learning the notes and being able to truly sing it are two different things. So yes, it takes a while to learn the hymnal, and it is a comprehensive one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#revolutions

Not many have learned it so far, but the first ones will be the hard ones, like with Silva. It will become easier when more learn to sing, because the tune will be clearer and the harmony will be new and unusual, something that has never been heard in chorus before, and it will likely be exceedingly lovely. The Scarcity Song (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant) is the only one heard by the masses today, and it has been dominating all music for as long as there has been civilization, so those grooving to the Scarcity Song (and singing that song feeds them) do not like hearing the Abundance Song right now, believe me. They really can’t even recognize it; it sounds like threatening noise to them.

Professionals have tried to prevent the choir from forming, and they aren’t finished, either. Also, our families and friends do not like hearing the Abundance Song, not at this time, when the Scarcity Song is blaring from the tube, and so on. This is by no means an easy task.

Also, while what I went through may have been necessary to write the hymnal, I fully expect that people like Ilie will write new songs and hit notes in octaves that I am not able to reach. All teachers would like to see their pupils blaze new trails, and this adventure has barely begun.

Best,

Wade

[Elly]

Celebrities will become obsolete. People will no longer be a "fan" of another human, idolize or put him on a pedestal. We will value each individual for his qualities and his contributions, whatever they are. We will recognize that everybody has a talent to share, has the potential to develop himself and accomplish good things. We will encourage it.

Seduction will therefore become obsolete. People will no longer feel the need to attract the attention of others or being in the spotlight, knowing their own value and feeling secure.

[David Hughes]

"the Great Remembering" - well put Ernie :)

[bearcow]

hello wade, i would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the following

steorn

http://www.steorn.com/

randy powell's explanation of vortex math and his work
here is some links if you've not heard of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pvuTZ5u6Kg

thanks for your time

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have been reading LaViolette’s works since Paul so kindly pointed them out, and obtained several of his books. This seems like a good time to cover some of the scientific aspects of the FE conundrum and the relationship of my work to them. As I have written, I was being groomed to be a scientist when I had it dramatically demonstrated to me that the chemical models of consciousness are inadequate:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#brown

That event began my mystical awakening and it eventually led me from the ranks of orthodox science. Reading Seth describe pleomorphism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#seth1

when the discoveries of Béchamp, Rife, and Naessens resided in obscurity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#paradigm

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#rife

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#naessens

was one of my early experiences where mystical material primed me to understand and accept unorthodox scientific findings. Seth said that a Unit of Consciousness (CU) is the bedrock of all realities, and that many millions of them are contained within an atom. On the size front, when I read LaViolette describe his “etheron,” it reminded me of Seth’s CUs.

Back in 1986, we encountered scientists who believed that the Second Law of Thermodynamics was flawed or “defeatable,” heard about a way to mine “unmineable” platinum ore, and so on. In the 1990s, I became acquainted with catastrophic theory via the Velikovsky controversy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#velikovsky

LaViolette tries his hand at it, too, in one of his books. Along with Velikovsky came electric universe theories that, like subquantum kinetics, challenge the Big Bang theory, what gravity, magnetics, and light are, and so on. I have a stack of alternative physics books lying around, which challenge various experiments and propose alternative physics models. Einstein’s general theory resurrected the ether that the special theory made superfluous.

In science, models get tested against the data and, as Einstein said, every theory is killed by a fact. Validated predictions are positive evidence, but one disproof kills the theory.

What I found interesting in LaViolette’s Antigravity Propulsion book was the history of how anti-gravity research was taking place pretty openly before the “national security” kibosh got put on it in the 1950s. That is also when UFO suppression amped up, forcing fluoride down America’s throat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm#compulsory

the McCarthy years, the CIA cranking up its dirty tricks, the brinkmanship of Dulles, etc. Trombly was a “star child” of those days, etc.

When Sparky Sweet made his device, he wrote a textbook to explain its workings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#sweet

The bottom line is that I have been around a ton of alternative physics concepts and know of technologies that run on some of those alternative principles:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

But, my work is really not about that stuff. The captured and reverse-engineered ET stuff is way beyond Earthling technology. Advanced technologies only mimic advanced spiritual abilities.

I am not saying that the technology and alternative theory is not important. It is, but there is a ton of chaff out there, and having superior technology does not mean much if Godzilla simply steps on it when the time is right.

When I write about FE physics, it will not be much more than acknowledging that the main departure from orthodox physics that FE theory has is that the ether is brought back. There is no such thing as “empty” space. The ZPF spins, and farming that spinning energy is the trick to FE, by and large.

The problem with trying to make FE scientifically respectable is that the technologies and data are deeply under wraps. Then mainstream scientists engage in circular logic that assumes that there is no such thing as technology suppression:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

It is a tidy way to stay in denial, but I have no interest in getting them out of their easy chairs. FE will not come to the world by being dropped in laps like that.

Hi Cara:

Thanks. Yes, heroes and villains will become obsolete. When people are truly empowered, being harmed by another is harder to accomplish.

Hi Tyler:

Glad you found it again. Trying the abundance game out in a big city like Seoul is a challenge, obviously. Yes, they don’t even know that you are talking about a song, much less try to sing it. You are really looking for needles that way. Learning how to gracefully turn away is a trick to learning to deal with Those Who Can’t Hum.

I think that you know that you are reciting part of my list of scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

At least you are encountering what I did. If you find a new one, let me know.

The agenda of all “protestors” is set by the elite, by definition, so that they use what those very same elite purvey is consistent, at least. :)

Hi bearcow:

I wrote at ATS when Steorn fell on their swords some years ago. There may be more there than meets the eye, or they are just the usual newbie aspirants who falls on their swords, or maybe gets schooled by Godzilla, if they even realize that they are being schooled. People might want to discuss Steorn on these threads:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35034-Free-energy-inventors&p=358844&viewfull=1#post358844

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

Powell’s stuff is sacred geometry and the ZPF, which also can be discussed on those threads. There are others here at Avalon who can go there at length. Guys?

Thanks,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I've been looking into deflation and inflation lately and what I've found is that these are concepts deeply rooted in scarcity.

They are both control tools used by the CG to keep everyone in survival mode. To put it simply these tools are used to make sure no one is able to accumulate enough financial power to cause Godzilla any kind of discomfort.

Another illusion is that inflation and deflation are "natural cycles" or movements of the "free market". Yes, most analysts are able to pull up some charts to show you a "bearish" or "bullish" trend, a "head and shoulders pattern" or a "dead cat bouncing" pattern or even some cycles that seem to repeat themselves at every 30-40 years, but in the end the super-rich control the policy makers and also have the resources to change the "trend" at a moments notice... so the "free market" is not that free after all...

I did not write this post to put you into victim mode, but rather to raise awareness... your attention is being distracted form the real prize (free energy) to make you look at the small pie being divided and you getting an ever smaller slice... to convince you of the "limited resources" and how you need to fight for your share and fast, before there is nothing left.

In a world of abundance concepts such as inflation or deflation will be obsolete, mainly because there will no more money, but also because there will be no controllers. How can you control someone that lives abundantly :)?

I am pretty sure that in his upcoming essay, Wade will make a strong case that the ups and downs in the standard of living was heavily influenced by access to cheap energy. We seem to have been on an ascending curve right up until the first "free energy" ideas came about. After that we got stuck with oil that we need to go war over.

The GC are most likely aware that we could live abundantly tomorrow, but because would be game over for them, they keep a heavy brake on any kind of development in that area. It looks like we are making progress, but we just add polish to centuries old tech. So in effect we don't have an energy crisis, but only a scarcity mindset that we drag around.

Inform yourselves about deflation and inflation and how they can affect your immediate future, but keep your eyes on the prize: abundance, free energy and we as powerful creators. :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Great subject, and yes, you will see me write about it plenty. It is a big one, and it will likely take a lot of effort to make my point. The paradigm is so deeply baked that it is invisible to most people. For instance, what is “cheap energy?” If you ask most people, it means energy that does not cost much money to obtain, such as what gasoline costs at the pump. But money is not real. It is only an accounting game. So, what does “cheap energy” really mean? It is energy that does not take much energy to obtain. Huge subject, and I will try to make it clearer in my energy essay, but as an example, in the halcyonic days of the American oil industry, when you almost could not lose by drilling into Texas and Oklahoma, the energy return was something like 30-to-1, where one unit of energy spent yielded 30 units of crude oil. In the American oil industry, I have heard that it is getting as low as 2-to-1. 30-to-1 is cheap energy, 2-to-1 is expensive energy. Globally, only about a third of the oil in an oilfield can be extracted. Because of the diminishing returns on recovering that oil, a depleted oilfield still has two-thirds of its oil in it. The further below the ground the oil is, the more energy it takes to extract it (gravity, etc.). The easy, close to the surface oil pretty much does not exist anymore, except in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Persian Gulf states. It is the last remaining “sweet stuff.” Iraq has about the easiest oil in the world to extract and refine, and a vast amount of it. However, the Western oil companies did not control it, which is exactly why the American military used Iraq as its bloody playground. No other rationales survive even the slightest scrutiny. If you can slaughter millions of people to steal their oil, then it can be considered “cheap,” in a very grotesque accounting process.

All that Canadian Tar Sands “oil” is extremely costly, in an energy-sense, to produce, as is the Shale Oil under the Rockies, or that gas that they are frakking out these days. You hear all the hoopla about how much is there. That is not very relevant. What is far more relevant is the return on energy invested, and when you factor in the environmental catastrophe that extracting it inflicts (and burning it, etc.), it is anything but “cheap energy.” The low-hanging fruit is gone, which the Peak Oilers understand quite well, but they have other blind spots:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#fossil

Yes, inflation and deflation are just accounting games, and yes, Godzilla runs that show. But the financial economy is about who gets what, so in a world of scarcity, nearly everybody focuses on it to the exclusion of all else, while the real economy, which runs on energy and always has, goes under the radar, at least as far as the masses are concerned. In my upcoming energy essay, I call the financial economy the egocentric one, whose motto is, “What’s in it for me?” The real economy is what I call the anthropocentric economy, which is about matter, energy, intelligence, and manipulative ability. It only accounts for human welfare, however. The cost of clear-cutting a forest only comes onto the radar of the real economy due to its impact on future “harvests.” Our fellow non-human creatures do not matter in that framework. I will be making the case for what I will call the soul-centric economy, which accounts for the well-being of every living thing. Environmentalists are the closest to that kind of understanding, but they have other problems:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#environmentalists

And the counting that will happen even under a soul-centric economy will also eventually fade away, as nobody will need an accounting to realize that razing a forest to squeeze the energy out of it is a bad idea, for everybody. No need to do that under an FE-based, soul-centric economy.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

I really love responding to posts like that, and you get previews of my upcoming essay, too. :)

Best,

Wade

[Bo Atkinson]

Hi everyone. I have long intended to enter this topic, but for the various commitments of life... Which actually reminds me of my mixed feelings about this term "free energy"... A "responsibility-free-energy" without limitations can annoy interpreters of this term. Such that some sort of discussion about society might follow up. To attain a heart-felt, natural approval of "free energy" advocacy.

May we project the responses we ponder. All energy devices require response - ability. Responses and reactions drive the devices we utilize. So why is it difficult to convincingly-define or to increasingly-visualize a mechanical world free of draconian restraints?

I prefer to visualize "free conservationism", to avoid something like a "free-for-all-matrix" forever gone amuck. Or worlds going, going, gone awry. Which comes back to playing chess "strategy-free. So that some sort of lasting game of higher-value might always be sought for.

I've not noticed one ET device described as free of energy or free of game plan or free of responsibility. The freedom is actually the greatest challenge of it all. So... Will the energy freedom be more about the trip-getting-there and less about the freedom from energy?

All for increasingly free energy~ wavy

[trenairio]

we really need this, if it's real

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/gif/teslapic.jpg~Nikola

[Wade Frazier]

Hi wavydome:

You are sketching some aspects of the conundrum. FE means freedom and power, in the most literal sense.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#_edn5

It has proven to be almost impossible for people to imagine being free and self-empowered. I think that people really have to see it to believe it. The violent denials of FE that Brian O and I encountered over the years helped us figure out the dynamic. It took me many years of seeing all of the various fear/denial reactions (levels 1 to 5 http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1) to really understand what I was seeing, and it was not until I read Fuller that it crystallized for me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

This will be an anecdote from my upcoming Brian essay, but Brian knew most of the big names in alternative energy, environmentalism, and related fields. When we traded notes in 2001 (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governor), Brian related his experience with one of the biggest names in environmental circles, who is an academic giant. When Brian mentioned FE as a possible solution to the grave problems that face humanity, the “giant” looked at Brian as if he had insulted his mother. That is the standard reaction among environmentalists and “visionaries.” Brian named Amory Lovins in one of his books as somebody who blew a gasket when Brian mentioned FE.

When I saw similar reactions from Richard Heinberg, who at least acknowledged that FE was a concept, I began thinking that what I was seeing was an addiction to scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

Look at the unending drumbeat of his books since then.

After experiencing innumerable further reactions, I feel more strongly about that than ever. But, this is baked deeply into all dominant ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

Anymore, I doubt it is an accident or benignly-intended herd management. Godzilla and company keep those paradigms firmly in place, as they harvest humanity, although they know that the technology to end economic scarcity has been around for longer than I have been alive. And for those who think that Godzilla is playing paternalistic supervisor, only letting loose what humanity can handle, my reply is that I strongly doubt it. My encounters with his minions lead me to believe that Godzilla is a collection primarily of dark pathers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

They definitely play their divine role, but I see little, if any, benevolent intent behind their actions. They are addicted to “power,” and they maintain it through keeping humanity rooted in a scarcity-based awareness, almost always by keeping humanity in economic scarcity, and 99.999+% of humanity unwittingly obliges them. Most resistance to the idea of abundance is just people digging in as they protect their niches of hell, and the notion of heaven scares them, because all they can see are their niches disappearing. The typical FE reaction is dismissing the upside in an instant, focusing on the worst possible outcome for a few more moments, and then slamming the door on all of it as fast as possible. It took me many years and thousands of interactions to come to my understanding today, and trading notes with people like Dennis and Brian. And if people get past fear and denial, then they almost invariably get lost in Levels 6 to 11 (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6).

Yes, the journey to FE may be more important than what happens when we get there. The heavy lifting is happening now, by a tiny fraction of humanity. More have to wake up and get involved if it is going to have a prayer of happening through the public. And even if the Big Boys unveil FE tomorrow, the more Level 12s as can be trained and amassed, the more likely that FE will have a benevolent implementation.

Yes, with FE comes responsibility, and yes, while humanity is addicted to the victim game, an enlightened implementation of FE is less likely. I think that The Choir can influence that, however. Believe me, there are many interests who would like to strangle this choir idea in its cradle, but I think that going about it in this way poses the least “threat” to everybody.

Great subject, and keep it up.

Best,

Wade

[Amaterasu]

Haven't read the replies yet, but... Here are a few:

Money falling into disuse
Motivation from the heart as opposed to profit
“Greed” becomes meaningless
Peace
Abundance for everyone
Elimination of corruption
Power over others supplanted by power over self
Elimination of GMO’s
Great reduction in violence
Creative pursuits increased greatly
A healed planet
Reduced or eliminated hoarding
Value placed on human-created art, textiles and products
Focus on cures, not patentable chemicals that sicken for profit motive
Human interaction with only those whose company is enjoyable (reduced social friction)
Robotic stewardship of the planet
Increased love and compassion
Greatly reduced stress
Wondrous works
“Live and let live” behavior
Most “laws” become unnecessary
Corporate power eliminated
Products made to last – no “planned obsolescence”
Waste reduced to virtually nil
Food nutrition increased for all
One’s reputation becomes the “coin” one uses
Personal responsibility for one’s own behavior
Spiritual growth
Slavery (outright or wage-slavery) abolished
Human dignity encouraged
Increase in charitable behavior
Self autonomy
Things are done because someone cares – from raising children to caring for others

[Amaterasu]

we really need this, if it's real

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/gif/teslapic.jpg~Nikola

Oh, it's real, alright. [smile] My father worked with electrogravitics in the 1950's - He was so excited and told Me all about His successful experiments at one of the top aerospace companies. Gravity control ("antigravity") and overunity ("free energy"). One night He came home and woke Me up to tell Me We couldn't talk about electrogravitics anymore. "They want it secret for now."

It's been in black ops for over 50 years.

EDIT to add: Check out My petition to release electrogravitics:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics

Twitter: @AmaterasuSolar

[Ilie Pandia]

Now that is winter and Bucharest is under snow siege I've got some new ideas of what will be made obsolete by free energy:

- no more jammed traffic due to snow
- no more flooded underground parking floors
- no more freezing your hands on the wheel while the engine warms up
- no more mud due to the melted snow and ice
- no more broken limbs falling on ice

In fact with FE the winter would be "human friendly" and a happy season :becky:

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, with FE, people will only be subject to the elements if they want to. I love being in the elements, but I also like my nice, warm bed. One of my rich buds was raised in the Swiss Alps, and winter was his favorite season. He did not have to make a living in it. :) But when nobody has to make a living in harsh conditions, you will see a dramatic change in the human condition. Human “nature” is love and bliss. Anything less is due to the rigors of life on Earth. Some think we need those rigors to spiritually grow, but I vote for an easier time of it for humanity. There has been more than enough suffering on this planet to hold us over for a long, long time. :)

Best,

Wade

[anthony]

this is worth looking into in my opinion

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40800-Keshe-foundation&p=429292#post429292

wholeness Enjoy

[Anam Cara]

I find this awesome if not mind boggling for what it implies for change in free energy alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oksRXANUAtc

[Anam Cara]

More on Justin-Hall Tipping and innovative discoveries for the well being of the planet as a whole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl_J_EeZp3Q

[Anam Cara]

Sorry, I would of put this all on one thread had I not browsed the different links after posting the previous one. Still in my excitement of discovery here is another interesting link with many innovative ideas related to this thread.

http://www.goathinkfest.com/

[Ilie Pandia]

Here is another big business that will disappear with the advent of Free Energy, and I think it was not mentioned until now: orphanages

Yes, some of the orphanages do help, and dedicated people work there, but a lot of them exist only to siphon funds from government and other people or to simply do money laundering.

All that will be obsolete in an abundant society. The money/profit motivation will disappear and parenting (child care) will be very very different than what we have today. Children will be truly free, no longer restricted by the "financial means" of the parents or the "foster care".

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

To Ilie’s post, all of the misery “industries” will disappear, which either try to relieve misery or cater to them, such as drugs, gambling, and prostitution, predatory lenders, the various escape industries, such as romance novels, porn, various genres of movies (horror, violence, etc.), escape vacations, and so on. People won’t be trying to escape, however briefly, their misery.

Gotta run to work,

Wade

[David Hughes]

Posters like this one will be obsolete too:

[Chumley]

Human conflict. Two entirely inseperable words!

[Endity]

I felt my self feeling like a child again after reading all these responses. I have been in a massive rut with alot of the information I have been receiving on my own free will about current situations ect. Today was a good day for me one I have not had for quite a long time. I truly hope free energy is a real thing that will happen. When I close my eyes I feel my imagination run free with the ideas of living in euphoria. One can dream cant he. No more corrupt monetary systems. Pill pushing doctors. Political heirarchy. It will just be the enlightened humans striving to work for a better future for everyone on this beautiful planet.
God Bless us all.

[Ilie Pandia]

Speaking of niches carved in hell...

I've just finished watching this rather long video about GM food http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnD-DiDRIJA (also posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43011-Gardeners-Here-s-the-Monsanto-seed-list&p=458148&viewfull=1#post458148)).

Food implies a couple of processes, that link up in a chain: seeds, chemicals, production, harvesting, distribution, preparation and so on.

Each of these processes is an industry whose motivation is profit (not health, "disease is good for business"): "Our job is to sell as much of it as possible not test it for safety! Safety is FDA's job" (quote from memory).

So every step along the way is a step motivated by greed and profit. Of course the transport companies want to transport food clear across the planet! Not because it's more efficient, but simply because this is how they make their money! Common sense dictates that is crazy to export local food and to eat imported food, however this is what happens to keep the "economy of scarcity going".

As the movie shows, most of the farmers are in the farming business not because they love the plants, or the food, or the process in itself, but because of the huge government subsidies. They're in it for the money! Monsanto (and others), have patented genes, basically getting a patent on life. There is no way to prevent your crop from being cross-pollinated with a patented gene, and when that happens your crop is no longer your crop! (because you're now using patented "tech").

So you see, all the people working in the "food production chain" have a vested interested in NOT having free energy on the market. Yes, they may say they want free energy, but they really don't, because that would mean the end for their life style and the money making schemes.

With free energy (and the profit margin out of the way) the focus would naturally return on health, on harmony with nature, with sustainable and environmental friendly practices. That would quickly bring to a screeching halt all of the industries currently siphoning money from the food production processes.

And as always, the farmers and even Monsanto, are not the bad guys :). Ultimately there are people working there! And they "follow the market", they do what we have allowed them to do, by not demanding labels (for example), or by allowing crazy legislation to pass, by not caring about this and so on. If more humans would simply get informed about these things, and refuse to use products that are not tested and not safe, and be aware enough not to fall in the propaganda traps, then companies like Monsanto would have no choice but to close office.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, you are seeing the dynamics. You are seeing how deeply scarcity is baked into the dominant paradigms. It has been that way since the beginning of civilization. Back in the good old days, a person was a slave or royalty because that was the natural order of the universe. Rising standards of living exposed those useful fictions and made those rigid hierarchies obsolete, but scarcity is still with us, and fear (the invisible hand of competition) and greed (the “law” of supply and demand) became enshrined in the dominant political-economic ideology that is now hundreds of years old. Because humans are egocentric and live in scarcity (I submit that scarcity makes us more egocentric, for survival reasons), they see no further than their self-interest, even as they help destroy the very ecosphere that provides us with our lives. So, you see the many evils of agribusiness:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#agribusiness

or the medical racket:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

and so on, where making money is the overriding imperative. In fact, in the USA, if a corporation does anything other than maximize its profits, it can be sued by its shareholders. Profit is the Holy Grail of capitalism, even admitted once in a while:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#profit

The evil is institutionalized, and almost nobody wants to see it for what it is, and recognize the evils of a system that enshrines greed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#greed

What I encountered in my adventures, with Dennis being offered a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

is capitalism on steroids. And as a converse of how almost everybody is in denial of how evil the food system is, or the medical system, or the energy racket, and so on, those needles in haystacks that I am looking for will have a comprehensive perspective, and will acknowledge the pervasive evil of our systems, where fear and greed dominate. It is all related. However, from where I sit, the common denominator is scarcity, and that always arises from energy scarcity. Humanity has almost never had a sustainable energy supply (and humanity has never had a truly abundant one). The only exceptions that I am aware of were some Stone Age peoples who could not deforest the land and engage in plow agriculture.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#amazon

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#salmon

Of course, they only engaged in that behavior after their ancestors killed off all the easy meat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#megafauna

Once humans began to smelt metals, they wreaked havoc on the ecosystems, and that havoc continues to this day. Once humans began to exploit hydrocarbon energy, our ability to destroy the environment for human benefit increased by orders of magnitude. But if we can leap the octave to an FE-based civilization, capitalism will become obsolete, as will money and the other hallmarks of scarcity. I know that FE technology already exists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

so that world is not nearly so far off as one might think. As you have read many times, it would take only a tiny fraction of humanity to wake up to reality to change the course:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

I really am not asking for much, but in a way I am. The people who I am looking for will have to work hard to see the big picture. They will be swimming against the current of our indoctrination systems, and they will have to let go of the comforting fictions that we have all been fed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

I call those people Level 12s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

and I have only met a few so far in my lifetime, but I hope to help more get there. One day, Ilie, I may ask you, or somebody like you, to lead the choir. :)

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Creating a ‘Ripple in the Force’ of the Power Industry (http://www.impactlab.net/2012/04/13/creating-a-%E2%80%98ripple-in-the-force%E2%80%99-of-the-power-industry/)

~~~~~

Futurist Thomas Frey: Working with many early stage inventors, I often have the privilege of seeing some truly remarkable inventions and innovations. A few days ago I was shown a technology that snugly fits into that remarkable category, one that has the potential to radically transform the way cars and other vehicles are powered. In fact, vehicles using this power source will never need to stop and refuel.

I’m not at liberty to explain this technology in detail, but by using this power source to fuel what is otherwise an electric vehicle, these cars will have 70% fewer moving parts – no ignition, gas tank, oil filter, catalytic converter, or muffler – and in this case, a highly efficient, non-traditional battery that will outlive the life of the rest of the car.

The best part is that it emits as close to zero pollution as we may ever hope to get.

After seeing this stunning new technology I had to take a step back and assess its true potential. It provides tremendous advantages on every front. Easy to manufacture, simple to understand, while being less expensive to build and operate, it has the potential to operate virtually maintenance free for decades.

On the surface it sounds too good to be true, but rest assured, it does exist. It offers a breakthrough tantamount to nuclear fusion.

However this is not a column about this particular technology. Rather, it’s about disruption, and whether or not a startup like this can ever hope to dislodge the existing power-brokers in the oil, gas, and automotive industries.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Carmody:

Frey’s version is the white bread story where they “merely” sic their talking heads and lawyers on the upstarts. I can understand not wanting to admit that Godzilla even exists, but completely ignoring it is wishful thinking, IMO, and somebody like Frey cannot be as inexperienced so as to not have even heard of Godzilla’s antics. Even the T-Rex level is bad enough. When Dennis was on the East Coast, it was the velociraptors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

In Seattle, it was the T-Rexes, with a Godzilla asset on loan:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

Godzilla began active involvement in Boston, with the friendly buyout offer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

and he got more actively involved in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#pursuit

and we were subjected to an entirely new level of the game in New Jersey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

Until people life Frey begin to really deal with the dark side of this stuff, they are playing at the grade school level. I am planning to write a post about all the people playing at the kindergarten level with this stuff. The average level that I see out there, with various efforts and the related repartee, is somewhere between kindergarten and third grade. That is not going to get the job done. People have to raise their games if this is going to go anywhere.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Hi Carmody:

Frey’s version is the white bread story where they “merely” sic their talking heads and lawyers on the upstarts. I can understand not wanting to admit that Godzilla even exists, but completely ignoring it is wishful thinking, IMO, and somebody like Frey cannot be as inexperienced so as to not even have heard of Godzilla’s antics. Even the T-Rex level is bad enough. When Dennis was on the East Coast, it was the velociraptors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

In Seattle, it was the T-Rexes, with a Godzilla asset on loan:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

Godzilla began active involvement in Boston, with the friendly buyout offer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

and he got more actively involved in Ventura:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#pursuit

and we were subjected to an entirely new level of the game in New Jersey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#darker

Until people life Frey begin to really deal with the dark side of this stuff, they are playing at the grade school level. I am planning to write a post about all the people playing at the kindergarten level with this stuff. The average level that I see out there, with various efforts and the related repartee, is somewhere between kindergarten and third grade. That is not going to get the job done. People have to raise their games if this is going to go anywhere.

Best,

Wade

hello Wade:

I'm aware of that issue. Like the stages of grief. One has to go all the way to get the point.

However, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to buzzkill their motions and words before they can have an effect.

Let them talk. Get it out there.

My understanding is that one is going to have to give everything away and recieve nothing in the process,and most likely it will cost everything. And that is about as good as it is ever going to get.

Like the old samurai who has forfeited everything they are, before they ever begin, that is the true level required, before taking the first step.

[Wade Frazier]

I won’t be killing any buzz that he stirs up out there. His audience is not going to come within a zillion miles of Avalon.

[Carmody]

I won’t be killing any buzz that he stirs up out there. His audience is not going to come within a zillion miles of Avalon.

And that is a good thing, that such a separate channel exists. That it has come to life, into being, at all.

[Wade Frazier]

I will always be grateful to Bill for starting it, and I have hopes to get the conversational level up a few notches before I go to an invitation-only forum, maybe as a sub-forum at Avalon. I get invited into kindergarten-level stuff all the time. Recently an organizer even admitted that it was at the kindergarten level because they have to start someplace. I played those games with Dennis, and am trying to get a far higher level conversation going. There needs to be at least one of those on the planet, but nobody has done it yet, maybe because they think that there are not any people that can participate at that level. Well, I am trying to find some. We’ll see what happens.

[Melinda]

Thank you so much for starting this wonderful thread - such a profound, interesting topic, and so many beautiful ideas. Free energy has such far-reaching, healing potential for our relationships with each other and this divine place we call home. I talk about FE to anyone who'll listen. Even if we chose to focus on our inner technology, the world free energy can create can mean a safer, sounder environment in which to do so. The more we visualise it, the more we breathe it into being.

Peace to all of you and yours.

[Ilie Pandia]

With free energy disasters such as Fukushima (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44568-FUKUSHIMA-Gen.-Bert-Stubblebine-s-Personal-Estimate-of-the-Situation-IMPORTANT) will be a thing of the past! Unacceptable and even incomprehensible. If this is not a wake up call.. then I don't know what will it take...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, the wake up calls are getting louder and louder. Where I live is getting its fair share. For an American, it is ironic to be receiving fallout from Japan:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#dropping

A friend emailed me frantically about that video a couple of days ago, and is planning to move to the Southern Hemisphere. Fun times. I plan to ride it out in the fallout slipstream.

Hi A Wandering Ponderer;

Glad you like the thread. It is the best one I have ever seen. Good luck spreading the word,

Wade

[Melinda]

Thank you for your response Wade. I feel inspired to tell people about FE. It is, true to its name, an energising experience.

I was wondering if any of you here had come across this info on Dr Greer's site cseti.org (text pasted below.) I only just discovered it, so I thought I'd share it in case it's of interest, in any way. Apologies if this is the wrong place for it.

"Dr. Steven Greer (www.DisclosureProject.org) has teamed up with Emmy Award winning filmmaker Amardeep Kaleka (www.neverendinglight.com). Together they will produce the Disclosure documentary that will connect the dots and rock the world. This film will include witnesses to the UFO secrecy, explain the connection to Free Energy and provide the vision of Contact with ET Civilizations as witnessed by the CE-5 contact teams. Never before has the wealth of information and insight of Dr. Greer been connected to such a talented filmmaker. This is a film that will make history and we need your help to make it a reality! This film will be funded by people like you who want to see Disclosure and new energy a reality. "

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Greer has been threatening to make this movie for a while. I’ll be watching it, if it can get made. Anybody who gets deep into the UFO/ET issue eventually realizes how tightly wrapped it is with FE and similarly transformative technologies. Some recent efforts along these lines have been rather kindergarten-ish, but I have hopes that Greer’s work will raise the level of the presentation.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Thank you for your response Wade. Your generosity with your time on this forum is humbling.
I'm gradually making my way through the Healed Planet thread, which is incredible to me. I'm only at page 12 so far and the richness of people's contributions makes it akin to traversing an ancient woodland; testing, uplifting, and even transporting. Time will tell if I can make it through to the end.

I returned to this thread because of something you mentioned in post No.235 of the Healed Planet thread, when referring to an interviewer... " He said that when he asks people what they would do with their lives if all their needs were met (food, clothing, shelter, transportation, etc.), the most common answer was, "I don't know." That is a key part of the conundrum. Not only is free energy and abundance unimaginable to almost everybody, few people can even imagine what they would do if there was abundance."

It reminded me of a lovely story I read recently: Anastasia by Vladimir Megre. When he first meets Anastasia, Vladimir cannot fathom what this young woman, who lives her life in the forest with no job, does with her days. Without revealing too much (in case anyone reading this post decides to read the story) the answer to that question is rooted in Anastasia's above-average expansion of her psychic abilities combined with the purity of her intention - and those things are closely related to her deep relationship with (and grounding in) the natural environment and its many living creatures.

It almost becomes like a poem, or a piece of music, when we live that connection so freely and unencumbered that our mutual exchanges of consciousness between other animals and plant life flow through us like the elements. To anyone who has experienced it, even if only in a few moments of their life, it is tangible... Broadening consciousness and uplifting the spirit. There is something I've glimpsed, like a luminous diamond light, reborn in people's eyes when they live and breath this connection - heart, mind and body.

One of my visions that I like to hold for an abundant world, is that skepticism about the delicate bliss of such experiences, will become obsolete. That the programming to dull our senses, which occurs from such an early age, will dissolve into the past like the passing and misguided illusion it always was.

I thank everyone here for letting me be part of this rare conversation you've created. Reading though the thread, each time someone added some new entity to the list of obsolescence, I watched it in my mind disappearing from the landscape; leaving fresh air in its place, and a sigh of relief from this beautiful planet. It's a good vision.

[wynderer]

a vision i saw clearly -- anyone anywhere on Earth could start out walking in any direction -- when night falls , anyone -- a small child, a young girl, an old man -- can pitch their tent or put their sleeping bag down anywhere, knowing that they will be in perfect safety all night

or they could go up to the door of any home, anywhere, knock, be welcomed in for food & music & conversation & a place to sleep at night

in the morning after breakfast together, the traveller can do what they are able to help a bit & be on their way w/lunch packed

no cars or ID or BigAg -- no sales of 'Private Property -- No Trespassing' signs -- no barbed wire fences

[Melinda]

a vision i saw clearly -- anyone anywhere on Earth could start out walking in any direction -- when night falls , anyone -- a small child, a young girl, an old man -- can pitch their tent or put their sleeping bag down anywhere, knowing that they will be in perfect safety all night

That is a beautiful vision.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Wandering Ponderer:

IMO, this is the best thread that I have ever seen.

Hi Wynderer:

Keep it up.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Free Energy will make all hierarchical structures obsolete and so, a few niches in hell would vanish.

Starting from families, where there is a family head (not a family heart :)), and the children that must obey or else.

Religious organizations with their quest to "save the human soul".

Nationalism! Sure, prosperity is fine for me, but why should the neighbor get it too?! He is not a christian, or an American, or a democrat... he sure does not deserve such a blessing!

War, patriotism, national security, honor... such big words that would be ridiculous in FE society. And I'll add here all the military slogans, "codes" and songs.

Employment would be gone... with both those "above me" and those "below". No more rooting for my boss's seat or trying to exploit my employees. No more I'm more special than you but not as special as the CEO.

No more ego flattering with showcasing your possessions in front of those less fortunate, trying to fill the void you feel when others "have more".

No more calling people "human resources" with a price tag attached to them.

No more elitism. It's so easy to accept that for those "above", but no so much for those "below" when you are part of the elite. All our ego stroking would end. (The ego may even go extinct).

This would also mean that we would have to take full responsibility for our lives. There will be no one left to blame. Oh, and there will be no more saviors, no more messiahs or victims to be saved, for that matter. It may well be that in an abundant society even "service to others" would not make much sense any more, as everybody would be very much "response able" for their creations.

All of the above are mostly un-explored obstacles in the path of Free Energy. Although most would say they want it, do they really?!

So many things would change with the advent of FE energy that FE becomes a threat to our beliefs systems, to our customs, traditions. In fact, dare I say that FE would mean the end of the world as we know it?

I'm going to take a giant leap here, and predict that with FE we would come very close to something we would call God today. Sure, we will have to first clean the planet and in this process purify our minds and bodies, but once that is done, and we are truly free and abundant, and able to love each other, and allow each other to develop, knowing full well that his development is no-one loss (on the contrary), how long will it be until we become powerful and wise creators? This is how radically FE would change us! This is why FE is such a threat to our current way of life.

How much would you be willing to give up to have free energy? What would make it worth while? Would you give all your money? All your possessions? Your status? Your job? Your customers? Your sense of power over others? Your fame?

[CdnSirian]

"I'm going to take a giant leap here, and predict that with FE we would come very close to something we would call God today." Ilie exceptional post, and it causes me to reflect on the "god" issues I have had. Firstly, though scientifically illiterate, I have always been the 'skeptic' that science admires. I question, question, question, as much as any laywoman can.

Religiously, I have questioned also, and have envied the faith that many have that enables them to keep believing that "everything is O.K." Faith certainly reduces stress.

Some of the new-agey gurus and even one Christian bible-belt minister, have been condemned as serious heretics because they have decried the hierarchies of any kind. In other words we are "all children of God in whom He is well pleased".

So I agree with you that FE will be a great challenge to many. While relieved at the reduction of their power bills, many will feel real pain at giving up their "place". They may feel like they would if the stock market crashed. (And it will, but it won't mean anything). It will be a huge transition for them.

I hope there will be a wonderful flash mob created to cheer everyone on. I'll be happy to choreograph it.

[Wade Frazier]

When I see Ilie makes posts like that, I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Free Energy will make all hierarchical structures obsolete...

How much would you be willing to give up to have free energy? What would make it worth while? Would you give all your money? All your possessions? Your status? Your job? Your customers? Your sense of power over others? Your fame?All of it.

What could possibly bring a greater depth of joy than to see all of humanity's needless suffering end?

All human-to-human fear will dissolve, as useless as a heavy winter coat on a fine summer day. A depth of peace will prevail that has never been experienced on Earth. Cultural diversity, no longer able to fuel fear, contempt, or envy, will become celebrated, sort of the same way we would now celebrate having dozens of species of birds visit our bird-feeders simultaneously - individuals will be welcomed as "exotic" rather than being shunned as "strange." The final barriers will be religious, and the hierarchical structure of religious institutions will fight to remain "in control" and to declare their congregation's - whom they believe (or pretend to believe) to be favored by god - superiority over all others. This hold over people will slowly dissolve as people recognize that god is "allowing" all people to experience abundance, and that all of humanity, not a chosen cluster, is simultaneously experiencing divine or near-divine abundance.

In the beginning, the first generation of abundance, there will be much clean-up of the planet, and so too will there be working through human feelings like guilt and fear. Even though we could instantly transform all societies, it will in fact take some time. But with competition meaningless the (perceived) barriers to compassion will be gone and joy will ignite through humanity at an amazing speed, growing exponentially as it spreads across and around the world.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

When I see Ilie makes posts like that, I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

Sovereignty. Moving from victimhood to Sovereignty. Thanks Ilie, Wade and Dennis. What a great vision.

[trenairio]

If free energy can become a reality, then we may be able to achieve a peaceful Left-Libertarian society.

[Ilie Pandia]

Lighting the candle of abundance...

There is more than enough for everyone.

Read that again, intently, slowly and try to comprehend its meaning:

There is more than enough for everyone. Abundance for anyone (including me) is a real possibility.

How do you feel? How does it strike you? Is it a true statement? Is it a blatant lie? Is it wishful thinking? To good to be true?

The first thoughts that come to my mind are:

"Oh, that so silly! Of course there is NOT enough for everyone! Obviously there are limits! There is a limited amount of food, a limited amount of money, of housing. There is a limited amount of resources on this planet. We can NOT all be living in abundance... some.. few maybe... but definitely NOT all! There is a built in limit in anything! Not everybody can have a beach house and a luxurious life style... someone has to work! There will always be masters and servants.... it's the way of things... Thinking of abundance for everybody is delusional and a waste of time at best. I really can't accept that there is enough for everyone. That's not what I observe in my reality."

Are your thoughts similar to mine? Do you also feel that "living in abundance for all" is a fool's dream?

This is Godzilla's biggest victory. The limitation of our dreams, of our imagination, of what we accept as being possible! We may wish for abundance, but deep down we don't accept it as real and therefore we never really purse it.

The line of thought described above I recognize now as being "scarcity programming". It is still within me, but looking at it, bringing to light and seeing it for what it is will hopefully diminish its grasp on me.

Free Energy would make such reasoning obsolete. All the limits in my line of thought are in fact energy limitations and nothing else. Food is energy and requires energy to be produced. Money, as we've seen will no longer be an issue in a FE world. Housing will change and will be able to accommodate everyone. Not everyone wants a house on the beach. Most likely nobody will want to own a house anyway. And yes, we can all live luxurious life styles compared to now, but our values will be different. We will no loner run after "select hotels" and "expensive cars" to show off and create a crutch for our self esteem, but rather we will live in the best and most comfortable conditions made available for free by the use of technology and free energy. This comfort and abundance will be in support of our growth and evolution, and will not be used against us, to turn us into mindless consumers with a compulsive need to buy more, to have more. We make come to realize that we are able to live quite comfortably having next to nothing! And I am not talking about austerity here. I am just talking about the "need to own" fading away.

And no, there is no need for masters and servants. Even as it is today the technology can free man from mindless work into "creative work" (also known as play). Perhaps this is not obviously so to us right now, but I believe no man needs to work unless she wants to! We have the tech to be free from work, we only need Free Energy to power it.

So in the end, if you at least consider the possibility of Free Energy, your scarcity programming will become obvious and then being to fade. Abundance is possible, for everyone... including you.

[wynderer]

Hi Ilie -- from your post:

'There is more than enough for everyone. Abundance for anyone (including me) is a real possibility.
How do you feel? How does it strike you? Is it a true statement? Is it a blatant lie? Is it wishful thinking? To good to be true?'

of course this is completely possible -- we could do it now should the matrix collapse & all , or most, were in accord

tho i think you are describing one of post-Shift worlds, one of the diverging timelines

in support of this as being entirely realize-able -- every time i drive across this country [USA] i am amazed by how much land is not lived on by anyone --of course, it's 'owned' by someone [the Queen , the Catholic Church, etc] -- but there it is! some of it pretty nice land, too!

wyn

[CdnSirian]

If free energy can become a reality, then we may be able to achieve a peaceful Left-Libertarian society.

We will not have the need for politics as we know them. Reasonably measured local organizers or participation-by-all meetings can run everything. After all, we'll have the time and won't need a gazillion$ campaign budget. Just show up.

I think everyone is creative. If we don't have to work to shelter and feed ourselves, we can all be artists or artisans (I don't see the difference but apparently there is one) providing for the others.

Maybe our planet will become a system art gallery and "county fair" for all our galactic bretheren to visit.

Please book in advance! :cantina:

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have stated it before; this is the best thread that I have ever seen, and while Ilie brought plenty to the table, it is sometimes astonishing that Ilie has gotten the lesson so clearly. Yes, you will see glimpses of what Ilie is referring to here and there, such as John Lennon wondering if we can even imagine having no possessions, in his Imagine. Planting seeds like that is good work, but as Ilie knows, making it a practical reality will mean abundant, clean energy. Godzilla knows this all too well, which is why FE is watched closer than any other potentially disruptive technology. If we can just begin to imagine abundance, and realize, as Ilie so eloquently put it, that the only reason why we don’t is very deeply-baked scarcity conditioning, and we do most of Godzilla’s work for him, keeping each other in line with the “program” of scarcity and survival, maybe we can get somewhere. It is time to wake up from the nightmare and dare to dream the dream of abundance. For quite some time, that has been about the only point of my work, and this thread gets it across like no other that I have seen.

What an honor it is to see it flower here.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Ilie,

Just like scarcity programming has been a process I believe that abundance programming is a process also, at least for me it is.

One of the ways I learned that possessions have no real importance is that I lived for one year in an old, old 72' cab over motor home, traveling from one end of North America to the other>>>>Alaska/Yukon >>>>Mexico and back. I was by myself and it was year of contentment and learning to live with little. From that experience I used to say that I could probably be a Bag Lady easier than some :)

I believe that the process is really one of LOVE and the more one can "selflessly love oneself" the greater the abundance one can see, feel, experience and share.

Thus the more we can Free our own Energy to flow with our ever present Love Source/FREE ENERGY, the greater we enhance the vision and reality of the abundance all around us.

Scarcity comes from FEAR and Abundance comes from LOVE and what helps me to get centered is to address what I'm fearing when I notice that I'm not feeling okay. I just ask myself what am I afraid of and sit quiet and it isn't very long before the awareness comes and I can analyze, take responsibility and 9 times out of 10 poo-poo it as it isn't rational or else take action to lessen or alleviate what is fearful to me.

Hope this makes sense to people as IMHO abundance is personal and until each person can find their own sense of value how can they not put store in abundance being possessions versus health, happiness, Love, etc.

It has to be REAL for people to believe in abundance but the real comes in "feeling it" as how many do you or I know that have plenty but it is not good or enough.

[Melinda]

...And no, there is no need for masters and servants. Even as it is today the technology can free man from mindless work into "creative work" (also known as play). Perhaps this is not obviously so to us right now, but I believe no man needs to work unless she wants to! We have the tech to be free from work, we only need Free Energy to power it...

I'm so glad you refreshed this thread with that post Ilie. The eventual disappearance of class boundaries is one of the things that moves me most about a free-energy world. With people free to nourish, house and educate themselves equally, the idea of different classes will become obsolete and not a moment too soon. What a vicious illusion of separation it has constructed, and what a wonderful, natural thing it will be to watch it vanishing into the mists of the past.

What you wrote reminds me of the Buckminster Fuller quote that someone sent me the other day:
"We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living." Apparently that was printed in New York Magazine, March 30th, 1970 (Page 30.) It still rings true today.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cccDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

This forgotten ability to imagine abundance is one of the saddest products of the social engineering we've been experiencing for eons. In a world where things are often the opposite of what they appear to be, many people believe they have increased abundance. Yet most of what is available to us through the very mediums that are supposed to give us choice (TV, radio, print media, food stores, gadgetry, options of political parties in democracies) is filtered and dictated by a small minority with an agenda. This illusion of choice has been devised to both distract us and lull us into a false sense of release. A kind of controlled catharsis to counter our frustration with the oppressive aspects of our culture.

Many people who come home from work are tired and drained, often purely from the work, but also from the flexing of the ego-muscle that kicks into action in order for us to navigate the competitive environment we endure, subtly or overtly, during the work day. Subsequently, when people get home they'll often turn on the TV, radio, computer-games etc, simply to escape (using what little energy they have left) rather than deeply engage their hearts and minds. So for many people "free-time" is associated with escapist release, not the real creativity that lies unexplored within. Perhaps that's why it scares a lot of people to think about what they'd do without their job, even if they could financially afford to live without it. Escapism is something for the end of the day, or a 2 week vacation. But all the time? In our upside-down city cultures even experiencing the beauty of nature is something reserved for similar time-slots of escape. But our true creativity is a very different thing to escapism. It is as much a muscle as the ego - in the sense that it often needs to be used regularly in order to be the primary driver in our dreams, perceptions and activities. It reminds me of what Sandy said in The Healed Planet thread, about: ... "taking the stress off of people enough that they can dream a little."

For men there is also the pressure of being the 'hunter-gatherer' in order to feel fulfilled and have a standing within family and society. If many jobs become obsolete with the advent of free-energy, what will give people the sense of self that has come with being a doctor, builder, manufacturer etc? In a world rife with problems and shortages, we're programmed to feel that if we're not being paid or thanked for fixing or providing something physical, we haven't made a tangible difference. Whilst men have been pressurised by the hunter-gatherer role, women have endured the limitations (only recently shifting in the west) of not being considered worthy of many workplaces. When I look at the images of the smiling 1950s house wife, twitching with energy and concealed emotions beneath her perfect veneer, its not hard to see where that neurosis came from. She had the pressure of having to fit into a narrow mould, without the vocational or educational opportunities that today's Western women can take a little more for granted. For too long men have been hauled away from the home, and for too long women felt trapped in it. It seems to me like a process. As a culture in the West we've been experiencing the growth of acceptance of women as equal persons (the right to vote, the right to earn as much as a man for the same job etc, the right to be considered worthy of as much respect), and we are discovering what benefits that brings to the collective. Truly exploring and learning to respect each other as equals is a stepping stone spiritually, emotionally and psychologically on the way to exploring a more holographic power structure. A holographic power structure that can offer men more time to explore their valued role in the home, and women more time to explore their gifts beyond it. All of which can nourish us to be more fully-rounded people when stepping out into the world or back through the door of our home, respectively.

I want to mention the scientist MT Keshe, not because I'm trying to promote what people may consider his agenda to be (I know there's been some heated debate on this forum) but because as a physicist in pursuit of new-energy solutions he makes some interesting points. In a lecture he gave ( I think this one: http://youtu.be/fCFO3-MOCYE ) he explained that The Keshe Foundation's research was rooted in finding technological applications for a space-travel context. He pointed out that if a limited number of people are on board a craft for a journey of many years, they cannot rely on the presence of a doctor to remedy their health problems. Supposing there is a doctor but he is the one who becomes unwell/compromised? If the other people on board have access to technology to heal the doctor's ailment without having to rely on his expertise for guidance, and without having to give up one of their own organs (for example) for a transplant, then the community structure within the craft is able to function unhindered. To me this gives a very practical example of the benefits of a holographic power structure, and I enjoy the fact it was provided by someone in active pursuit of new energy solutions, and someone planning for a future blessed with the space travel those solutions can provide.

Often when I imagine a world in the early stages of energy abundance I like imagining by honing in on the details in my mind's eye...

A woman in a small village in Africa stands with her bare feet on the earth, stretching her arms as she gazes peacefully at the sunrise. She is smiling because she knows her husband can spend this and every other day with the family instead of walking miles to find food. He steps outside to join her and they walk into their garden, which is yielding fresh vegetables and fruits. They pick some for their children, before sending them to their new school, which is no longer miles away, but mere minutes on the bus. A bus that glides past the village's crops without polluting the air with fumes.
On a council estate, on the outskirts of a city in Scotland, a single mother, an immigrant, is packing her bag to go to college so she can improve her English. Her mother, who previously could not cope with or afford the long-haul flights from Russia, is now able to visit easily and baby-sit. Free-energy means the flight is less than an hour. She loves to be a part of her grandchild's life. A life she had previously only known in photos. Grandma sits on the couch reading to her grand-daughter, glancing up now and then at the teenagers from the apartments below who've been busy there for days, helping to renovate the women's flat. Free-energy technologies have made this easy, and affordable. The boys are enjoying it. It's the second flat they're helped repair during their weekends and they're discovering they have a talent for it. Their tools are practically silent.
In a small coastal town in Australia a man sits on the beach with his girlfriend. They are keenly tapping away on their keyboards, designing software for an educational program that teaches a history of meditation and healing with sound. They plan to share it at a software-giveaway festival where they meet with other programmers once a month. It's a far cry from the days when the high cost of living had him penned up in an office working in the IT department of a canned-drinks company, while she was across town building websites for an branding agency. They decide to take a break from brainstorming and swim for an hour in the calm whispering of the ocean. They leave their laptops on the beach. In a world where everyone has access to the best computers available, nobody can be bothered to take another person's things. It would just be clutter. And no-one has time for clutter anymore.

I suppose that last part could have belonged on the Future Earth thread. But it just kind of poured out in connection to the other thoughts. I'm so glad this thread exists. It's the first one I found here that made me excited to post. In fact the rough draft of my first post here was more like an essay before I whittled it down to a few enthusiastic lines. I wish I could have this kind of conversation every day.

[Melinda]

I was sad to see this thread disappear from the front page, so I thought I'd make it a visual gift. I was thinking back to when I first watched Brian O' Leary's Free Energy interview with Project Camelot. It wasn't my introduction to the topic, but something about Brian's intellect, his great heart, and his gentle way created a meditative place for contemplating the issues of a free-energy world. I found myself enjoying visions once again of what it could look and feel like to live in a world where everyone had enough, and people were no longer pitted against each other in the ways we are now. I joined this forum having never joined one before, and the first thread I saw that really captivated me was this one. So I thought I'd share with you some of the visions I'd be carrying around day to day that made this thread such a pleasure to find. Thank you everyone, for being here, and for being so generous with yourselves.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/DoodlemakerUK/BeautifulNewEnergyEarth.jpg

This will be my last little post for a while, as I'll be gone for some time.

Much love to you all, my fellow free-energy visionaries.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Take care AWP and see you later :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Today I've watched the interview of Gordon Novel (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50532-Gordon-Novel-has-passed-away&p=564277&viewfull=1#post564277).

I did not know he was working hard to bring about Free Energy to the people.

It was surprising though to see that he still considered that money will continue to be used after the FE revolution, but humans would simply be 100 times wealthier than today.

I can understand why he was saying that, and having been so deeply into the intelligence community perhaps it was difficult for him to see a world where money had absolutely no relevance what so ever.

[mosquito]

I can understand why he was saying that, and having been so deeply into the intelligence community perhaps it was difficult for him to see a world where money had absolutely no relevance what so ever.

Ironic isn't it - intelligence makes it difficult for him to see !!! With that statement Ilie you've encapsulated the state of our modern world.


I hang my head in shame that I've only just come to this thread (I think in it's early days it was just about technology wasn't it ?), I have some catching up to do.

Personally - The scarcity programming is so deep that, even though I can embrace abundance on many levels, there has always been the underlying unconscious (mis-) understanding that there isn't enough for everyone. That's going to take some shifting, but it's started.

Posesiveness. AWP among others has written about how the need to hold onto one's possessions will become a thing of the past with FE. One of the things I will be very glad to see the back of is intellectual possesiveness - "I have a science degree, therefore I know. You do not have a science degree, so you can't possibly know"; "I studied theology and I wear a long frock, God talks to me. You haven't studied theology and you don't wear a long frock, so God doesn't talk to you".

Maybe intellectual possesiveness isn't the right term, but I think you can see what I mean.

With FE, "science", in the sense of a body of people who arrogantly safeguard their own theories at all costs, will be replaced by an understanding that all knowledge belongs to everyone. We will have a new epistomology which recognizes that knowledge can be acquired in many ways, and that no single way is superior to any other.

Religion will be replaced with an understanding of our true relationship to the universe and to everything which is. There will be no more question "where do I come from, and why ?". We will know.

[Wade Frazier]

Bye for now, AWP. Nice collage.

Hi Ilie:

Boy, Novel had an interesting life, and our paths crossed a few times:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#wean

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#cia

If he was legit, anybody like him will not be able to provide documentary trails, etc., which makes it hard to separate the wheat from the chaff in those fields. Yes, anybody who has played the cloak-and-dagger game has been twisted. Imagining a world without money is hard enough for average people, so it is much harder for somebody who has been on covert action teams.

Hi Mariposafe:

I have stated it before; I consider this the best thread on the Internet, and yes, economic scarcity manifests in many ways, and the idea of “this is my idea” is part of that. The patent office is a monument to scarcity, as people try to get monopoly protection for their ideas. That is why any FE inventor commits effective suicide when applying for a patent, in several ways. One is that patenting in of itself reflects self-serving motivation, and FE cannot be achieved by the self-serving, not in today’s world. But there are also practical aspects of that, which is that the feds classify anything FE-oriented on Godzilla’s behalf, sometimes consciously on his behalf, and other times to protect various turfs. Also, anybody who applies for a patent for FE technology is easily removed from the scene, in various ways, not just classifying their technology.

Best,

Wade

[4evrneo]

Hey Oliver,

And with that, "accounting" will become an obsolete concept.

I am in Accounting and am giddy with excitement for this to happen. The ideas I have for what I will do next are enormous ! It will probably be something along the lines of natural healing or sustainability and permaculture. Exciting times ahead !

A

[4evrneo]

I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

This is by far one of my favorite posts, and I couldnt agree more Wade.
I love this feeling of it being accomplished already, I will hold it in my vision and heart each day : )

A

[Ilie Pandia]

Lately I've been seeing threads on Avalon about building homes from recycled materials, or build them underground and so on. Also tactics to fight foreclosure and to "balance the budget".

While I applaud the initiative, and those activists go to show that we can do better or different, it's too little too late...

With Free Energy, recycling would take a whole different meaning, in the sense that we may not even call it like that any more. Simply a material we don't need would be reverted back into base elements and then used to fabricate a new material that we do need. Because of this the Free Energy homes would look like nothing we have now, and they will surely not be build from aluminum cans or tires or broken bottles, but rather from hi tech materials that have all kinds of useful properties and they do not degrade in time to harm us or the environment. The current recycling is just finding new ways to split up the small pie, living with less and less, while not addressing the root problem: scarcity conditioning and the ignorance of a radically new solution that is Free Energy.

Fighting to balance the budget, as serious a problem as it is, it almost makes you laugh in the context of Free Energy. The budget and money are not the real thing and they become completely useless in an abundance based paradigm.

We have a lot of good people on this planet. In fact, I'd dare say that most of use are good people. The trouble is that we are stuck thinking very very very small, withing the box that Godzilla has put us into... I understand very much the need to do something now!! But hacking at the branches and not getting at the core of the issue will not help...

[Melinda]

Good points Ilie. All the alternative energy solutions in the public domain pale in comparison to free energy, and the questions you pose here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50933-A-more-efficient-solar-panel-V3-solar-panel-spins&p=570054&viewfull=1#post570054 make the point very well about the negative environmental impacts of the manufacture, transport and maintenance of non-FE alternatives. I think it was in one of the Camelot interviews that I heard or read about a functioning technology that existed (probably in some bunker somewhere) which could create materials that were designed at the atomic level. I may be articulating that poorly; but in layman's terms, I understood it to mean using energy to create elements from scratch, as if from the ether. Even if the information was inaccurate, given the multitude of creative minds within the scientific community, I don’t think it would take long for a technology of that nature to be designed and functional once FE was readily available.

That said, to pick up on your sympathy with people’s motivation in pursuing the more readily available alternatives, I can see that even aside from the financial and independence-related reasons for pursuing these other routes, the environmental and spiritual ones are also still significant. For some people the feeling of being tied into the grid and supporting a corrupt infrastructure is just too painful, so they feel like the sooner they can be doing less damage to the earth and its inhabitants through the way they live, the better. Even with the wonderful work that Wade is building and configuring towards an abundance choir, I think for many FE supporters, to be able to live an environmentally ‘cleaner’ life puts them in a stronger state emotionally and spiritually to help support the collaborative FE meditation with a clearer head and a less-burdened heart.

I feel so frustrated by the way wind, solar, tidal powers etc are offered up by the mainstream media as the main alternatives to fossil fuels, aside from nuclear. I signed another campaign letter this week regarding the ridiculous nonsense that is ‘biofuels.’ I find it offensive that they are still being advocated at a time when FE has been available as long as it has. Sometimes I get despondent about signing petitions and writing letters, but I forge ahead with the belief that if just one person comes across it and starts to question the breadth of their current knowledge, then it’s worth it. Every signature is a step in the right direction.

None of these alternatives can bring an end to poverty and restore the natural environment as quickly and sustainably as FE. Those are the things that continually stay with me the most as I walk around in my day to day life. Where I see homelessness, decrepitude and pollution – on the streets, in the dumps, and mostly in the places I don’t have to go, I witness it and know that with FE it can all be rectified. For all of us. There is no comparison. I want to see everyone given a higher quality of life, health and education, and the tools to clean up the earth and keep her clean. I don’t see how we can do that with solar-panels.

I’m continuously grateful for all the people here who are imagining what wonderful things can be achieved with a loving and responsible FE world. But I can’t deny that I have my frustrated days. Today being one of them. Once you start thinking FE thoughts they permeate everything. I see people squabbling over money on the street and I immediately picture an FE world where they have enough of what they need, and a secure home. I meet a cab driver who wishes he could spend more time with his kids, and I immediately picture an FE world where he doesn’t have to work long days and nights in order to provide for his family. I see someone looking drained and dejected behind a cash register in a supermarket and I immediately picture an FE world where they can spend more time learning about the art or the science they were curious about at school, but felt they couldn’t make a decent enough grade in for it to be of use to them in the ‘job market.’ So much potential in so many people, crushed, and so much of the crushing perpetuated by the illusion that there isn’t enough to go round. Nobody comes into this world with a desire to be pitted against their fellow man. It’s a learned behaviour, and it can be unlearned. And whilst it starts in the heart, and always will, we are deeply affected by our environments; and no technological breakthrough makes turning this mess around so achievable, so quickly and on such a vast scale as FE.

It does not sit well with me to think that it’s too late, and that mother earth (or some unsavoury crew) will wipe out vast numbers of us leaving an enlightened few to live well. Often the people who sleep well with a depopulation philosophy conveniently don’t want it to be them that has to go. In this interview with Bill Moyers http://youtu.be/QmVD7XcRb6Y (at around 4mins20) author Margaret Atwood discusses the religious indoctrination associated with those kinds of beliefs, pointing out that “in the rapture it never happens to be you that doesn’t get raptured,” and describing how it opens “the door to some of the worst impulses in human nature.” Why shouldn’t someone who was born into harsh, limiting circumstances and had the odds stacked against them from the start, have the opportunity to see how different things could be for them or for their children? The idea that people are invited to consider by various contemporary icons and academics, of which countries’ populations should be the first to start sterilising and diminishing themselves, is a horror. We don’t have to make that choice. With a responsible FE world that kind of debate will become obsolete. And we can have a world in which love, decency, support and generosity are more widely considered as the biggest subjects facing humanity.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Thanks for the posts, AWP and Ilie. The problem with the so-called alternatives to fossil fuels is that they take a lot of time, effort, and money to pursue, and when people do that, they tend to get dug in, and there their horizons end – only so many hours in a day. Traditional alternatives are barely alternatives at all. That stuff has its place, but not in the choir-building exercise that I have in mind. Yes, it is very difficult to know how it can be and live in the world that we have today. As I have stated, nothing about the FE pursuit is easy, and the emotional toll that it takes can be awesome. I have had many dark years during my pursuit, and the happiest year of my life was 1986, when I met Dennis I was full of optimism and enthusiasm. And then I was introduced to reality, and that was after working in an urban hell for years:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=406928&viewfull=1#post406928

I sympathize with anybody who has some awareness of FE, which is why I say that trying to wake people up to it can be hazardous to you and those whom you are trying to awaken. It is a very perilous undertaking, although to many it can seem innocuous, like going to pet the killer bunny. If people get a glimmer of the potential of FE, they easily realize that FE means the end of the world as they know it. The world we know is a pretty abominable place, so ending it sure would not be a big loss to the universe, and replacing it with something that looks a lot like heaven on Earth seems like a worthwhile task, but almost nobody on the planet is currently fit for it or even interested, preferring the devil they know. I am looking for needles in haystacks in far more than one way.

As Ilie mentions, making houses out of old tires and the like is something out of Mad Max, and at best is putting a Band-Aid on a life-threatening chest wound.

Time for bed.

Best,

Wade

[GloriousPoetry]

No oil spills in our oceans.....sea life would love this!

[Melinda]

...I sympathize with anybody who has some awareness of FE, which is why I say that trying to wake people up to it can be hazardous to you and those whom you are trying to awaken. It is a very perilous undertaking...

I hear you Sir. As it is I’m far too hermit-like (not to mention scientifically illiterate) to be blazing an FE trail of any kind in the physical realm. Whilst it’s tempting to mention FE in a letter to a political body about the flaws of biofuels, I do understand that it isn’t necessarily prudent or the most effective way to bring about a free-energy awakening. I try to limit the public channelling of my FE frustration to fishing recyclable rubbish out of street bins and swiftly placing it in the correct bins as I pass. Not the most lady-like behaviour, but every little helps. I have no intention of going hunting for the killer bunny. On that one, in the words of Monty Python... “Solidarity brother.”

I look forward to the day when FE makes recycling bins obsolete. Although sadly there are some wealthier parts of London I’ve passed through that seem to think they’re obsolete already since they don’t appear to have any, which doesn’t exactly set a good example to the children who frequent the nearby museums which exist to preserve things of value. I think I’ll have to have a word. No killer bunnies there. At least I hope not.

I’m still in a bit of an FE glump today. I think I might read through this thread again to cheer myself up.

[Ilie Pandia]

Following Wade's "trail of books" I've just finished reading "The Aqurian Gospel of Jesus, the Christ".

That entire text can be seen a metaphor for the quest to free energy but I will focus only on one of the points.

The priesthood of the times and the students of the "law" they all knew the prophecies and the texts and waited for the Messiah to come. They've basically prepared for that event their entire life... that was their job (or at least the job description).

So The Messiah did come, and he started talking non-sense like: "God is within", "You can become one with God", "You don't need the priesthood", "You are hypocrites, for you say you wait for me, and now that I am here you pretend that I am not" and so on so forth.

Well.. we can't have that! Nope!

I mean... I want Free Energy just as much as the next guy, but not as long as that implies any changes!! Especially loosing my place of power (big or small) that I've worked so hard to get! And what's all that talk about "all men being equal"!? We can't have that either! Sure I'd like to be equal to my "superiors" but I won't have it, if that means I need to be equal to those "below" me. Better to go back pretending this Messiah is mathematically impossible... I'd sure won't risk making my life's work obsolete...

[mosquito]

Good points Ilie.....

What a lovely, clearly expressed post Melinda ! ;)

I've been wanting to add some of my visions to this thread for a few weeks, but have been having problems organizing my disparate thoughts. You've given me a perfect opening to write about one aspect Ilie, and that's the use of new vs old materials:

I agree that with FE we will open the doors to all manner of presently unimaginable materials; for building, for fabrics, etc. But I think we should remain open to using our current resources, only a little better than we do now ! For example, we are surely still going to need to use water, we will just be in a world where we manage it properly and don't waste so much. The same applies to other materials, and one I'm particularly fond of is bamboo. This is a plant which grows prolifically and can grow at a rate of 4 inches per day. It's incredibly versatile and is used thoroughout SE Asia for all manner of things, as diverse as clothing, ladders and even scaffolding. It's an ideal material for building simple dwellings, but obviously is unsuited to colder climates. From a personal point of view, living outside of a tropical climate just isn't on, and I'd love to have a bamboo home.

The same applies to the other plant based artifacts. Yes, new technology will give us wonderful new materials, but do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water ?

For me, heaven on Earth is NOT some techno science fiction scenario, it's precisely what it says it is - heaven on Earth, with all of us living in harmony, using and wisely managing the beautiful things we've been blessed with. Of course we will have technology, but it will be put to wise and effective use, it won't merely be an excuse to create more and more disposable (and actually quite bloody useless) gadgets, saving us "time" (so we can do what exactly ? Watch more TV ? Spend longer at the office ?).

Which leads me nicely into the next topic and, ironically, duty calls so I haven't got time to add much more but I'll leave you with a question for now. Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As is evident, Ilie does his homework. This is far from the only book on the “Wade’s Reading List” that he has burrowed through. I picked up The Aquarian Gospel a few years ago, after many years of not having read any of it, and it held up well, if the style is a bit dated, as it was written long ago. The Jesus of The Aquarian Gospel was a mystical master second to none. I have known some people with Christ-like aspects, and one thing that they had in common was their sense of humor. I think that the historical Jesus was pretty funny, but that does not really make it into the New Testament or The Aquarian Gospel. Jesus and Buddha were the only two major religious figures where those around them wondered what they were. The manifestation of the Infinite Spirit must be something to behold, and if the Michael channels are right and we experience several instances of it manifesting in the coming years, I think that being around one of those, just to witness it, might be on my bucket list. There are plenty of Eastern dudes playing the master game, and some may well be, but I really have not heard of somebody who came across like Jesus did. He was one cool cat.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Good points Ilie.....

What a lovely, clearly expressed post Melinda ! ;)

I've been wanting to add some of my visions to this thread for a few weeks, but have been having problems organizing my disparate thoughts. You've given me a perfect opening to write about one aspect Ilie, and that's the use of new vs old materials:

I agree that with FE we will open the doors to all manner of presently unimaginable materials; for building, for fabrics, etc. But I think we should remain open to using our current resources, only a little better than we do now ! For example, we are surely still going to need to use water, we will just be in a world where we manage it properly and don't waste so much. The same applies to other materials, and one I'm particularly fond of is bamboo. This is a plant which grows prolifically and can grow at a rate of 4 inches per day. It's incredibly versatile and is used thoroughout SE Asia for all manner of things, as diverse as clothing, ladders and even scaffolding. It's an ideal material for building simple dwellings, but obviously is unsuited to colder climates. From a personal point of view, living outside of a tropical climate just isn't on, and I'd love to have a bamboo home.

The same applies to the other plant based artifacts. Yes, new technology will give us wonderful new materials, but do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water ?

For me, heaven on Earth is NOT some techno science fiction scenario, it's precisely what it says it is - heaven on Earth, with all of us living in harmony, using and wisely managing the beautiful things we've been blessed with. Of course we will have technology, but it will be put to wise and effective use, it won't merely be an excuse to create more and more disposable (and actually quite bloody useless) gadgets, saving us "time" (so we can do what exactly ? Watch more TV ? Spend longer at the office ?).

Which leads me nicely into the next topic and, ironically, duty calls so I haven't got time to add much more but I'll leave you with a question for now. Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ?

Thank you mariposafe! Nice to see you on here.

When I read your post a few things came to mind.
I too have reservations about a super-tech world that separates us from nature. But the way I’ve come to look at it is that it doesn’t have to be that way with FE.

I find the relationship we have with the earth, her creatures and her natural elements to be deeply enriching and grounding in so many ways. I love to be around natural materials like wood, stone, crystals and more. But one of the extraordinary advantages of FE enabling us to create new materials from scratch is that far more living and organic things could be left to do exactly that, to live and to grow without being removed from that process. I’ve been thinking about the nature of living things in terms of spirit. I do believe, for example, that trees and plants have a spirit and a consciousness. To some people that may sound odd – how can it be proven? But one of the ways our race has justified turning on members of its own species throughout history is to claim that whatever group they were oppressing was inferior in spirit, nature or consciousness. They justified this with arguments about people’s behaviour, mannerisms, cultures or traditions – and often their reasoning was hypocritical, given the violent nature of those claiming to be more civilised. Some justify similar behaviour towards animals because they do not speak a language akin to our own. To what extent do we do this with other living things, not because they don’t read and write, but because they don’t have a ‘face’ that appears like our own?

When I think of questions like this it gets me wondering about the spiritual dimension of life. For example, if we are ensouled, at what stage after conception does a soul enter a human body in the womb? We could ask the same of plants, in terms of their spirit. When it comes to being grounded, plants and trees have always seemed extraordinary to me – their roots growing deep into the earth, to bathe in her energy and soak up the physical nutrients in the darkness; their bodies stretching up in to the world, reaching into the sky to bask in the sun, the wind and rain. They are steady in their countenance.

Cleve Baxter, the former CIA polygraph expert, did some interesting research on the sentient nature of plants:
“His course of study changed in the 1960s, when he reported observing that a polygraph instrument attached to a plant leaf registered a change in electrical resistance when the plant was harmed or even threatened with harm. He argued that plants perceived human intentions, and as Backster began to investigate further, he also reported a finding that other human thoughts and emotions caused reactions in plants that could be recorded by a polygraph instrument. His work was in part inspired by the research of Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose, who claimed to have discovered that playing certain kinds of music in the area where plants grew caused them to grow faster.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster
The Native American elder, Floyd Red Crow Westerman, speaks about our relationship with the trees:
“The tree breathes what we exhale. When the tree exhales - we need what the tree exhales, so we have a common destiny with the tree.”
At 4mins 30seconds here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

When I consider an FE world, I like to remember that whilst it can free me from plundering the earth’s resources, it does not have to separate me from them. My relationship with trees, plants and stones can instead change to something new. Something different. Perhaps it can take on dimensions that I have yet to imagine. To me, that’s one of the reasons why it’s so beautiful that FE can free everyone from survival mode; that it can free us from having to plunder the earth’s resources in order to sustain the technological growth that we have been conditioned to expect from birth, and that has helped us evolve in certain aspects. Because for many of us, once we no longer feel the need to plunder resources to sustain our lives, we are freed to have a broader perspective, a deeper range of feelings towards everything around us. There have always been people who never needed the liberating man-made technology of FE in order to have this relationship with the earth and living things. But I think for others who have been born into a scarcity mind-set, in cultures dominated (overtly or otherwise) by a corporate agenda, it could be a wonderful thing to see a technology that can heal some of the wounds caused by the previous abuse and growing pains of our technological evolution. I for one, would like to see more people ‘talk’ to the trees; to open their minds to them, simply by being with them and acknowledging them as sovereign entities beyond any considerations of what we need from them physically. They can be truly great friends when we treat them as such. As with so much of life, each to her own and in her own time :)

What do you think?

Speaking of time, you mentioned it here:

“Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ? “

I think it probably is. Wow, that’s an enormous subject - and a delicious one. I’d love to write about that, not because I claim to know much about it, but it inspires so many thoughts... Perhaps I’ll come back to it on another post. But for now I have to run to work, and am short of time ;)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi All:

As I have written plenty, this future Earth that Michael Roads visited is one of the stars that I steer by:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

My efforts were arguably more inspired by healing Earth and our relationship with it than it was to heal the spirit of humanity, but both are deeply entwined. I was many years into my efforts when I happened upon that account by Roads, and when I read it, my reaction was, “Well, somebody got it right.” Because I had pursued a healed planet for many years, and in a very practical, nuts-and-bolts way, that brief account was like an encyclopedia to me of what is feasible with FE lovingly and wisely implemented. No plants are even abused in that reality, much less animals, and much less people. The history of the human attitude of thinking of animals, plants, and people as mere resources is long and sordid. With FE and technologies that are under wraps, looking at living beings as “resources,” there for our consumption, will go away. The plants that we eat will be fulfilled by the eating. Some people will become Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

and no longer need to eat. Some do on Earth today, it seems.

It is all an energy game, and FE is part of the path of mastery of it.

Best,

Wade

[mosquito]

When I consider an FE world, I like to remember that whilst it can free me from plundering the earth’s resources, it does not have to separate me from them. My relationship with trees, plants and stones can instead change to something new. Something different. Perhaps it can take on dimensions that I have yet to imagine. To me, that’s one of the reasons why it’s so beautiful that FE can free everyone from survival mode; that it can free us from having to plunder the earth’s resources in order to sustain the technological growth that we have been conditioned to expect from birth, and that has helped us evolve in certain aspects. Because for many of us, once we no longer feel the need to plunder resources to sustain our lives, we are freed to have a broader perspective, a deeper range of feelings towards everything around us.

Another thoughtful post - thanks

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, I'd only add that from MY perspective, I believe we can use what mother Earth has given us, without it being "plundering" ! Trees die, why shouldn't we use wood ? My vision of heaven on Earth sees us as a population which is stable, content, appreciative, mutually supportive, harmonious and balanced. on this Earth, in physical bodies. We have what we need and are no longer driven to develop more and more technological garbage. Innovation still happens, but at a pace dictated by our spiriutual evolution, NOT by corporate greed.

I've been around and had the good fortune to meet people from all manner of cultures and backgrounds, and I can state with as much certainty as is advisable that the most spiritually aware, most evolved, most wise are not those with impresive qualifications, nor those with high-flying jobs or large followings of devout disciples, they are the World's indigenous people. And if I had to name a group who outshine anyone I've yet to meet, it would be the Kogi of Colombia.

OK - Time .....

We live together peacefully, harmoniously. There is an abundance of energy for everyone. No-one has a "job" as such, we all do whatever it is we came here to do, and being true to ourselves is, in and of itself all we need to do to maintain an abundant life: dancers dance, designers design, practical people make things, cullinary geniuses prepare food, musicians make music, lovers love, nurturers nurture, thinkers think. There are no deadlines, no petty managers, no pressure of work. Nobody has "not enough time". So I believe that the following 2 things (among others) will be obsolete:

Tourism and fast personal transport (cars etc.)

We live in paradise, why do we need to leave ? There are no dirty smelly cities, no offices full of morons you loathe but have to work with because of financial circumstances, so why do you need a holiday ? Equally, there is no rush to do anything, so why do we need fast transport systems ? Let me elucidate .....

My vision of heaven on Earth has me living in a tropical forest with my loved ones. We are most definitley NOT part of a homogenous species, those who wish to live in the cold do so; those drawn to mountainous regions, or to vast steppes, or deserts live in their ideal environment, abundantly. Our children (and the adults actually) are free to play outside with the rest of the local community. Education is about life, relationships, harmonious living but of course, everyone is free to choose what they wish to learn. When my children and I decide it's time for them to witness other people's way of life, we can do so at leisure. We are all capable of walking, so we take our time making our way to the nearest sea port, enjoying the journey and smelling the flowers on the way. When we arrive, we board a vessel made of a material which is non-reactive in water, non-polluting, totally harmless to the sea and its' inhabitants. The people who "work" on the vessel do so because it's their calling and/or their passion. In this manner we travel around and visit whatever places take our fancy. Everywhere on Earth there can be found temporary accomodation, and people who welcome you to their environment. So let's say it's a kind of cultural exchange, rather than tourism. All of Earth's population have total freedom of movement, and we spend a good deal of our time sharing and enjoying our differences.

When I look up at the sky at night I see stars; in the daytime I see the sky. I do not see people whizzing around at high speed in their silly pieces of tin, nor do I ever have to bear the agony of listening to an unnatural or discordant sound.

As I said, this is part of MY vision of heaven on Earth, and it may be different to someone else's. That's fine !!

[norman]

It still looks to me that there is a taboo here with this subject.

I raised it a long time ago and nothing since has dealt with it enough to put it to bed.

No matter how clever the technology is for creating the 'solutions' are, how are we to calculate the effects?

If a new way to heat my house is found, and all the other houses in the world, how are we going to dissipate that escaping heat without warming up the general environment in a way we've never had to deal with before?

To simply say we can more of everything we think we want is only one side of the equation.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Norman:

Thermal pollution is the most benign pollution that I know of, but for your scenario to be plausible, you are assuming that we would still live in houses that take up ground space and that need to vent heat to the air. With FE, the energy can also be sent back to where it came from, so there would not even be thermal “pollution”, if you want to call it that. But houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans. With FE, the stationary house idea becomes pretty meaningless, kind of like being attached to a skateboard when you can ride a rocket. This thread is not about laying our scarcity-based baggage on the abundance concept, but about what will become obsolete with abundance.

Best,

Wade

[norman]

I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.
Hi

Norman, have you heard the term "idio-savant"? These are people who generally score VERY low on IQ test but they can do away with equations and arrive at the answer to the complicated mathematical problem in no time. They can't answer how they do that. But they do. If we woud be allowed as much time as we need we would develop the ability to access the "knowledge field" and do anything the best way it is possible. Without any equations. I guess even Wade would chastise me for such a far fetched statement but here it is ;)

Account of idio-savant is taken from first chapter of the book "Evolution's End" by Joseph Chilton Pearce. There are also accounts of access to that "knowledge field" in other book by same author titled "The Crack In The Cosmic Egg". One was of an Inuit man helping around at the USAirForce base on Alaska. A plans has broken and engine technician had no clue how to fix it. The Inuit man approached him. He put his hand inside the engine compartment and while looking at the technician withe the smile he tweeked something inside. And that was it. The engine was repaired :) He could not knew about the engine maintenance and yet he managed to fix it...

[mosquito]

....
But houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans. With FE, the stationary house idea becomes pretty meaningless ...

With respect, that isn't exactly heaven on Earth is it ?

[Ilie Pandia]

Heaven on Earth I believe means a heaven you don't have to die to get into :p

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I have written many times, I have yet to encounter a more heavenly description of Earth than this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

They were technologically advanced, I am sure that they could easily travel in the solar system, and traveling the stars was probably within their abilities. They had a relationship with nature that most people don’t believe is possible, their average six-year-old was smarter than anybody living on the planet today, and their conscious decision to choose love made it all possible. But their mastery of energy is what made it all possible, from a practical perspective. That reality is one of the stars that I steer by. Some can argue that we need to wake up before we should try to master FE, while I have found that people won’t wake up until they can have the experience of FE. Those who can wake up before FE is delivered to their homes are those whom I seek with my public work.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#question

Best,

Wade

[norman]

I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.
Hi

Norman, have you heard .......

...... He put his hand inside the engine compartment and while looking at the technician withe the smile he tweaked something inside. And that was it. The engine was repaired :)...




IQ tests are a scam.

The first time looked at a book full of them I couldn't understand any of the nonsense inside.

Many years later, I was advised to have another look, but this time I was primed with advice about 'how to think'.

I did 3 or 4 of the tests and scored very well.

How could my IQ have just jumped from very poor to above average?

It's silly to think MENSA and those types have a monopoly on brains. They just excel at useless information.

Also, what good have the MENSA people ever done the world?

[Ilie Pandia]

The way we look at intelligence and what intelligence actually is, is likely to change in an abundant world. :)

You will no longer need to over specialize or develop one side of the brain over the other and so on. IQ tests will become obsolete as well.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

...
IQ tests are a scam.
...


Norman,

Of course IQ test are not capable of measuring WHOLE intelligence. Intellect is a different story and has little in common with intelligence except that one can not exists without the other to be helpful.

But you have missed the point of my response ;)

I was writing that FE would give us a lot of time in a day to focus on our inner development. To allow us to reconnect with that "knowledge field" and do away with all artificial tools (equations etc) to gain knowledge. Navigating by intuition is a way of accessing that "knowledge field". But you have to learn that ability. You can do it right now of course without FE but you have to feed energy to your body. To do that you must rip that energy from the environment with time consuming and brutal methods. Leaving you less time for your inner development. FE can eliminate that time consuming and brutal methods of delivering energy to our bodies. We can then devote that time for more sentient purpose :)

For example using newly developed intuition to improve on methods of using FE or move beyond FE :)

IMHO FE is just a next stage in development of the humankind. One of many to come :) But first we have to make it to the FE stage. Otherwise there is no point in further discussion of ANY point in the humanity journey because it's about to end :( We are standing at the cliff top right now deciding if we should climb that space ship waiting for us or allow the approaching stampede to take us to the sea bottom with it...

I choose the space ship :) And you:confused:

[Melinda]

Hi everyone. I’ve been considering some questions regarding ‘Free Energy’ that I’ve encountered over the years, and a few that I’ve considered myself, and I thought I’d share my current perspective, which is a work in progress. It’s quite long (it could have been longer…), but I've placed some highlights in bold. I’d appreciate it if anyone feels like sharing their response.

( Writing helps me think, and I like thinking about this subject :) )

How can we support FE technology when we don’t yet know its effects?
The way I see it, it must be hard for the qualified scientists to do the research when they lack the funding. How can they get that public funding and widely publicise the research results if FE is barely even acknowledged? Many establishment scientists aren’t even convinced FE is possible. The ones who claim to have worked with it are. How can we get to the stage where FE can be more widely acknowledged in the public domain, unless we contribute to a conscientious debate on the subject? Certain governing powers excuse their destructive behaviour towards the populace because they dismiss us as being uninterested in these solutions. If we can collectively build it into a worthwhile debate, and more of us take an interest in supporting its potential, perhaps we can get to a stage where more scientists (with a proven understanding of FE) will get the funding they need. Then they can analyse the technical effects, and others can start to analyse ways to apply FE responsibly. But how many scientists and researchers have the time and money to invest in exploring the implications of a technology for public benefit, if there’s little or no public support in the form of imagining its potential positive consequences? It occurs to me that we’ll eventually have far more minds applied to FE research if more people make the case for why it’s a good thing to explore. Perhaps this thread is a part of that.

Is it more logical to leave the FE discussion to those qualified to understand it better?
Popular scientist and author Carl Sagan said in interview: “We’ve arranged a society based on technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology, and this combustible mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces… Who is running the science and technology in a democracy, if the people don’t know anything about it?” Source: 3mins26secs here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jod7v-m573k If FE were to enter the public domain without more of us having imagined the harmonious ways in which we we’d use it, who would be deciding the best way to apply it? Do we want the FE world politicians and corporations say is possible, or the FE world that we have taken the time to plan for ourselves? Our own vision of health, equality and abundance for everyone.

Would it be better to use current resources more efficiently, rather than pursue FE?
Growing enough organic materials to provide for 7 billion people’s fuel and construction needs, would be far more demanding on the earth’s resources than tapping into FE to create new materials; it would also make it far harder for us to sustain our lives, let alone progress. Most of the world’s population can’t afford their own personal wind turbine or solar panels (the making of which also plunders the earth, as Ilie has pointed out here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50933-A-more-efficient-solar-panel-V3-solar-panel-spins&p=570054&viewfull=1#post570054 ) Nuclear Plants, Biofuels, Tidal technology and Hydroelectric Dams all negatively impact the natural environment, and fossil fuels are also a pollutant as well as a finite resource. Unlike all those alternatives, FE could mean an end to plundering the earth for its ever-diminishing fuel resources or building/manufacturing materials, an end to miles of piping/wiring across the landscape, and far less environmental pollution from energy usage and waste processing. It could also give us far more creative potential than any of the energy sources we currently use.

Why not just move to a warmer climate where you don’t need to use as much energy?
I know people who’ve moved to eco-villages in warmer climates where they use less electricity thanks to the climate. But billions of people not only aren’t prepared to, but can’t all move to a warm plot of land with a consistent water source; it would unfairly disrupt local communities and put unsustainable pressure on the ecosystem due to building, waste disposal and food cultivation etc. Even before the advent of electrical power and its accompanying technology, large numbers of people living off one area devastated the land. It can be a considerable upheaval to uproot yourself from your community and ancestral land, just to get away from a society that plunders and abuses. If FE was a commonly shared technology, people could stay on their land (without disturbing the local cultures of foreign countries) and have a sustainable, environmentally kinder life. If we don’t apply a sustainable solution that works for everyone, the planet’s environment could be devastated to the detriment of even those choosing to live a simplified way of life. There’ll be no more pristine jungle or unpolluted mountains and rivers left to move to. FE can prevent that problem, and clean up a lot of the damage we’ve already done.

Couldn’t we just stick with what we know but pay a higher price?
Even if some of us could afford to pay more for things, the world’s poorest communities can’t, and sooner or later we will run out of resources. FE on the other hand could technically mean an end to the rising prices of fuel (which affect the prices of virtually everything else), and we wouldn’t have to run out of energy or material resources. I think I prefer the FE option to the austerity measures that the current governing powers would rather apply – taxing our energy use, whilst seeing us travel and exchange information/goods less and less freely while they reserve the life of more abundance for themselves. With FE, those austerity measures aren’t necessary.

What if we just lived simpler lives, with less technology, instead of using FE?
Our technological evolution has given us means of creativity, communication and transport that have seen us grow - helping, learning from, traveling to and understanding each other better in myriad, wonderful ways. Anyone reading through this forum knows the benefits of our technological evolution, because they are using the internet to help find ways to heal the planet and their own lives. Do we really want to go backwards; backwards in science, education, the arts, transport, areas of genuine medical advancement? Even if it was ethically the best thing to do for the environment, most of us in developed countries don’t seem inclined to make that transition ‘backwards’ technologically, and more and more people in developing countries wish to catch up with the creative freedom and easing of physical burdens that comes with a more technologically developed way of life. Can you really tell people they don’t have the right? Even if you were happy to, I doubt that you could stop them moving ‘forward.’ You can’t stop people wanting to progress. Can we really allow ourselves to plunder and pollute the natural environment to the point of destruction, simply because in principal the entire population could have ceased its plundering without FE.

What’s wrong with people doing jobs instead of more machines?
Some people can afford to have others work for them – but I think a lot of those employees (or relatives stuck at home), working in factories, offices, call centers, retail, fast food, transportation etc, if they were freed economically by FE, would rather spend their time contributing in other ways; being with their friends and families, or studying a new field of interest. There are many gifted individuals out there whose ideas and work we never benefit from, simply because it was not affordable for them to hone or share their skills under our current economic model. FE appears to make current resources-based economic models redundant, which can mean less labourers / forms of slavery, and instead more creative, caring and scientific input into our evolution from millions more hearts and minds around the world.

Wouldn’t a world with less machines be better for us?
If we have to go back to manual labour instead of using machines, then we can’t use that time instead to develop ourselves in more engaging and fulfilling ways, developing our skills and ourselves. With a bare-essentials society, we would still have some time and resources to do these things, but far less of them. Many inspiring examples of athleticism, art, science, academia, healing and psychic development that I’ve come across were provided by people who had the time necessary to dedicate to it because they weren’t busy cleaning, fixing, farming and commuting or doing an unrelated job to support themselves. If more of us are afforded that freedom by an FE economy that isn’t resources-based, then even more of us can develop our psychic ability and be less machine-dependent. Even if there are indigenous cultures (with less man-made technology) who have retained more psychic abilities than technological societies, our resource-based economies are plundering their lands and destroying their way of life. So the way I see it, with FE we could sustain the benefits of our technological growth and the extra time/freedom that technology gives us; but without the environmental destruction we have now, and without the debt-slavery that encourages materialism as compensation for our cultural burdens.

Wouldn’t FE just mean more machines destroying our tranquillity?
An FE world could mean an end to the discordant and aggressive noise of traffic, drilling, construction work, shutters slamming, factory equipment, washing machines, electric fans and heaters... the list goes on and on. That noise largely comes from the friction of moving parts or friction with the surrounding landscape. With FE you could have far, far less of it. The structure/design of the machines themselves would change, making them smaller and resulting in our needing less of them. FE powered craft would mean we could travel with speeds and reduced visibility that could potentially mean even less clutter in the skies than we endure currently. The nature of the technology however, would mean we would not all be crashing into each other. So with FE, our immediate earth environments (homes, roads, work places) could actually be quieter, the air would be cleaner and the sky would not be filled with noisy metal clutter, obscuring our view of the stars and the clouds.

Would we be better off with less cars, trucks, trains and planes?
Travel isn’t just essential for work, or food and medical transport. It’s about meeting new souls, learning from them, exchanging with them, and soaking up the many wonders and different vibrations of the planet’s landscape. FE would enable even more of us to enjoy those privileges. But it would not have to lead to an epidemic of vast numbers of tourists descending on and polluting areas of beauty. There are regulated limits to the numbers of vehicles/visitors/residents allowed in areas now, and there are designated flight paths for existing air traffic. It could be the same with FE. FE can allow us to travel in ways that are quieter, faster, more affordable and non-polluting. It could mean less waste and rubbish from vehicles and travellers, much faster and cleaner disposal of waste, and less trampling of the earth. You would not need to build more roads, you could in fact have less because the vehicles would fly above the ground.

Indigenous tribal people seem to be the cultures with the most spiritual relationship with the earth, so shouldn’t we follow their example?
If everyone was happy to move out of their houses and abandon their jobs, homes, gadgets and amenities, perhaps we could rescue the environment by living the way spiritual, indigenous tribes do. But it seems unlikely to happen. The elders of ancient tribes, including the remarkable members of the extraordinary Kogi tribe (Kogi: http://youtu.be/pnLX9pdKuEg ), wish to see an end to the plundering and environmental destruction perpetrated by the rest of us. We’ve seen how governing powers and corporate interests have destroyed vast numbers of indigenous communities in order to seize and pollute the land for its resources. With FE, those same powers would no longer have that justification. Don’t we owe it to the indigenous people of the world to come up with sustainable energy solutions? If we create a responsible FE world, we can eliminate much of the pollution, plundering and abuse of resources that threatens the earth, the indigenous tribes and our own way of life.

Do people demonstrate enough harmony, compassion and decency to responsibly handle FE?
FE could help make these attributes far more common place amongst people, because we would no longer have to have economies conducive to survival mode. If we wait for everyone to be kinder and more considerate to the environment and each other before we introduce FE, we could be on a path to destroy the natural environment and our ability to live in it before we ever evolve to a more considerate state. Allowing that to happen doesn’t save the planet or humanity. Perhaps those who currently choose a less plundering way of life of their own volition are a minority. It's good that they were strong enough to do so. But what about the billions of others who were not so strong that they could fight off the effects of incessant media brain-washing, government dictate or peer pressure? Many people wish daily for an opportunity to show more goodness, but feel trapped in a survivalist, plundering system they have been programmed for from birth and locked into ever since. It is not like the indigenous forest or mountain people, who were born into a different environment of conditioning. FE seems to offer an alternative for everyone, even those who’ve been abused by the consumer or slave culture they were born into and weren’t strong enough to counter. We are offered that alternative if we can learn and freely imagine how best to apply it.

Doesn’t our limit on energy use at least limit our material consumerism?
I think it's because we’ve never had anything like FE that we find it so hard to imagine. Our only frame of reference for a machine-dependent culture is the tricky one we’ve had. Perhaps our transition from using the earth’s resources (to sustain our technological development) onto utilising new energy solutions, is akin to an infant drawing sustenance from their mother to sustain their bodily technology, before learning to draw it from beyond. Our destructive technological phase could be likened to a child, confused by their own growing pains. But what about the part that comes after? The mature, adult phase of overcoming those fears and using our faculties to support and create, rather than to grab and defend. Until you reach that phase of adulthood, you struggle to know how different it can be. Perhaps a lot of the consumer hunger we’ve seen can be likened to a childhood phase – an unattended child hoarding and digesting as many snacks as they can simply because they could for the first time. Many people have been persuaded to see more cars, more clothes, more gadgets as compensation for the labour-based, scarcity-riddled economic model they’re surrounded by. How can enough people reform their perspective, without a viable alternative economic model? FE gives us that alternative model.

Does our limit on energy usage act as a natural form of population control?
There seems to be plenty of room on the planet and in the solar system for a bigger population, if we can live sustainably in terms of our energy use and use of the land. A responsible application of FE can accomplish that. In many cases, communities that have large families do so due to economic circumstances. Poverty results in poorer access to education, and many people choose to have bigger families to assist them with income and take care of them when they are unable to work. So it’s logical to hypothesise that the population would be more inclined to stabilise if everyone was lifted out of poverty and could experience a fairer, kinder world, without being made to compete for resources. FE can provide that, and (unlike today’s most widely used energy sources) provide it sustainably. Eventually, we could get to the stage where we build mother-ships to navigate through space.

Will FE mean everyone lives in uniform-looking ‘anti-gravity’ vessels?
I think a lot of people are turned off the idea of an FE future because they cherish the sustenance, beauty and variety of the natural world and fear an influx of man-made technology. But FE can give us the tools to repair and safeguard that natural world far more, and far more easily, than we do now, so we can cease damaging the environment. FE technology can also mean smaller and even fewer machines. If we embrace FE in our lifetimes that doesn’t mean every house or block of flats would have to be demolished and replaced with a space pod. It does not mean that people who love their beautiful houses or family homes would be forced to dismantle them. Personally I’d like to live in a little house made of reclaimed wood, before my time is up this time around :) Often when people speak of what we could have* they are looking far into the future, with a long-term view of how to take pressure off the land and its resources if humanity continues to grow. I think a lot of people, if they were able to go on a long space expedition, probably wouldn’t mind taking their home with them :)

* (eg. Wade Frazier: “…houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans…”)

How does FE really help us, aside from reducing pollution and environmental abuse?
With FE applied lovingly and responsibly, the costs of food, healthcare, electricity, construction, transport, education and manufacturing can be drastically reduced. Everyone can have the technology to provide their own food, power supply and water. That means the standard of living goes up for everyone, and everyone is freer to do what they love – not what the (current) economy dictates they must do to survive. This means a far less competitive world for everyone, where the motivation for most kinds of theft and violence becomes redundant. People would be freer to collaborate on the work projects they choose to do, rather than what they can afford to do. Wars over resources would become unjustifiable. Water shortages would become a thing of the past as FE would enable us to easily desalinate and purify sea water and draw moisture from the air. Farming could be done in craft that hover above the ground, so as not to devastate the land. That may not seem very ‘earthy’ at first, but continuing to plunder the land the way we increasingly do now isn’t exactly considerate to the earth, or sustainable. Healthcare could be revolutionised by regenerative FE technologies; making traditional transplants and drug-based treatments a thing of the past. So with FE, education can improve, whilst food and water shortages, wars over resources, crime, homelessness, slavery, ill health and poverty can all be drastically reduced if not eliminated altogether.

How does FE help us evolve ourselves as individuals?
With more people freed from survival mode, we are freer to develop the kinds of subtle sensitivity that lead to psychic development (including broader empathy, healing, telepathy, telekinesis...) We currently have machines to help us communicate and travel. In an FE world in which more people were uplifted out of survival mode more of us could develop ways to do these things psychically. All of the people I have known with psychic ability were essentially loving individuals – and where there are those in the world who have been drawn into using their abilities in a way that wasn’t benign, it would be interesting to question whether or not they would have gone that route in a world that did not encourage survival mode. Governing powers are trying to made it harder and harder for people all around the world to sustain benign ways of life that are conducive to good psychic health. (Some of their excuses for this include poorer quality food due to cost of providing for more people, and the plundering of land for resources. FE can cure those problems.) I do not believe the ratio of lovingly applied, advanced psychic ability in the world versus negatively applied is the 50/50 gridlock often portrayed by Hollywood’s violent offerings on the subject. I find it worth contemplating the fact that a lot of psychic work that lovingly takes place is done anonymously, so as not to draw attention to itself, and the world could be very different if not for those people who do it for the planet on all our behalves without recognition. A kinder, easier, less competitive world is one that encourages greater compassion, generosity, relaxation, meditation, sensitivity, joy, creativity and collaboration. FE can help give us that kinder world.

If FE frees us from work, what will we actually do all day?
The transition to a world of less labour could be a gradual one. A lot of depression associated with joblessness is related to not being able to provide for yourself (or prove your worth as an individual) under the current economic model and its accompanying, competitive culture. An FE world could eliminate those pressures. In a loving and vibrant FE world we could spend our time in countless new ways: create new forms of art for cultural festivals, study and experiment with breakthroughs in science, design and software, hone skills in our favourite sports and crafts, become healing practitioners, contribute to academic forums, teach for the love of it, train for a solar system exploration team, spend more time with our loved ones, travel the world, learn its languages, see its cultures, mountains, waterfalls and desert sunrises, or help study and preserve its historical sites, wildlife and ecosystems. People do many of these things now for a living and are stimulated on a daily basis. In an FE world, the material costs of doing these things would be drastically reduced. Some philosophers might choose to do nothing but sit and meditate with their friends in the sun, or dedicate poems to the stars. Others might adopt one of the hundreds of thousands of orphans in the world and give them a loving home, because they could finally afford to. Given the choice to do all of these things and more, would we really choose to do nothing?

I do not see FE fixing every last person’s flaws around the globe. But the vision that makes sense to me is the one where billions more people, freed to be more loving, become the most prevalent vibration on the planet with a more benign and less survivalist way of life. Much like a child’s body grows into an adult’s (enabling him or her to do more safely for themselves) FE technology has the potential to be that equivalent in our technological growth, giving us a way to clean up the planet before we wipe its life, and ourselves, off the landscape. It’s possible, perhaps it’s even likely, that if we choose FE lovingly, we will experience the phase where we use non-polluting machines to lift us out of survival mode so we become more supportive and creative, and then afterwards we will reach a new phase – one where our higher level of consciousness enables us to abandon most of the machines and be sustained more by our inner technology. A healthier, more psychic world with an increased spirit of caring and collaboration.

That’s why I find FE such a worthwhile option to explore. Because in an ideal FE world, we can not only end our destructive habits, we can rejuvenate the planet and enhance our benign creativity in tremendously healing ways.

[Ilie Pandia]

Well, well, well... it seems Wade is not the only one writing long essays about Free Energy :)

Melinda, you are putting many ideas on the table with each oneo deserving their own essay to explore :biggrin:

The ones that stuck with me most were freedom and technology. The reactions we have to both, seems to me that they are based on fear.

Let's take technology first. When we think of a highly advanced technological future we only have the Hollywood version of it to draw from :). Movies like Terminator, Wall-e and most end-of-the world scenarios, where technology has crippled us and mostly destroyed the planet. Even shows like StarTrek (as much as I like it) falls short when it comes to presenting a "high tech" future of FE.

We have been conditioned to respond to "high tech" with imagery like the borg collective, bio implants, uniformity and conformity, humans as slaves more and more of the technology they use. That is what is put out there today, via movies, SciFi books, media and "forward thinkers".

It does not have to be like that! That is only one of an infinite range of possibilities. The fear we have of "high tech" is somewhat justified because of the way it's being used today: make more and more powerful weapons and create technologies that allow the few to dominate the many. It's no wonder we don't what to have! But look deeply at this, and realize that is not the tech that is the problem, but the way it's being used, and what it's designed for!

This is why in a Free Energy world we talk about "science from the heart". Technology then is discovered and researched from "heart centered" motivation and the intelligence to bring that forth only comes second and subordinate to the wisdom of the heart. Technology today uses force to beat nature (and sometimes humans) into submission. Technology from the heart can be very very different. I imagine it will not be mechanical in nature, but mostly based on "fields" and our ability to interact with those fields. The tech from an abundant world will not bulldoze our way through life, but rather cooperate with life and celebrate life. When we say "high tech society" we do not have to think of large shiny electro-mechanical things. Meditation, telekinessis and telepathy will be part of our tools in the future of high technology.

So you see what it means when we say that Free Energy will allow us to properly design and use high tech to heal ourselves and the planet, and to free us from slavery. (Perhaps we can replace high tech with heart centered tech, to go around our negative triggers.)

And this brings me to freedom, the second concept that Melinda's essay made me ponder.

Freedom is something very dear to me and I think of it often. What it is, how do we get it, why is it so important... The more I think of it, one think seems clear in my mind: without Free Energy, in this 3D plane of existence, we are slaves. Even though we may appear to be free, we are slaves to those that hold the keys to energy. We are slaves of those that provide food, shelter, clothing, transportation education and so on. We are slaves of our deeply conditioned minds, designed to keep us in this slave state and not even consider the fact that things can be very different.

Freedom is very very hard! It means you need to think for yourself. To be permanently on watch and mindful of your thoughts. To consciously choose what you are going to do with your freedom. To accept total responsibility for your life and perhaps later on for the entire planet. This is not easy with our current minds... it's like being asked to stand tall all the time, after your entire life you've just being lying on your back sleeping. Every fiber of your being begs you to go and lay back down, to go back to sleep, back to not thinking, not asking, back to abdicating your own power, back to only dreaming about being free.

Here is a short story, not mine, and this is how I recall it:

"There was this little bird in a cage crying every day: Freedom! Freedom! I want to be free! Freedom! Freedom!

One day I took pity on it, I opened the cage door to let it fly out. The bird got scared and tucked down in the back of the cage.

I had to get my hands into the cage, get the bird and forcefully pluck it out, while it pinched my fingers. I then threw it out in the air, being blissful about freeing one soul!

A few short minutes later I heard again: Freedom, freedom! I want to be free! Freedom! Freedom!

The bird hard return to the cage, with the door still open and was crying about freedom again"

This is pretty much how most of us today think of Free Energy and the total freedom it implies.

[Melinda]

Ilie,

What a beautiful post! I agree, and whole-heartedly.

Truly, my post could have been 10 times as long with added references and all the other thoughts I had flying around. Perhaps it belongs on another thread – ‘answers to our fears about free energy.’ :biggrin:

Sometimes when I speak of free energy with people I see them respond to the idea intellectually with a subtle gladness. But underneath it, the flicker of the unknown, of questions not yet fully formed, afraid to speak themselves. We have all been through so much. And I believe that by drawing these things into the open we can form those questions, give words to our feelings, and find the language that sets our mind free to visualise the answers so we can carry them forward like a nourishing light in our cells, a new visual in our hearts.

Every affirmation helps. And yours was beautiful.

Someday, I would like to read the Ilie essay (…and the Robert essay, the Sandy essay, the Seikou-Kishi essay, the Ernie essay, the Marsila essay, the gripreaper essay… )

Some are writing the essay with the ink of their hearts, with their actions and their visions, which is wonderful, and true. But it’s an extra upliftment to see it written down as well as it is when you put your fingers to the keys Ilie :)
Many blessings for you,

M

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Melinda, Illie

Thank you for you clarifications :) They are very refreshing :)

There is "fear of FE" thread on PA already. Buried deeply here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32467-Free-Energy---No-way-in-hell-&p=466013#post466013

Glad i am past this fear now :) With clear vision of things to come nurtured in the heart :)

[Wade Frazier]

When I see posts like Melinda’s and Ilie’s, I think that my work might be about finished, but I likely will not get off that easily. :)

What Melinda put up are important aspects of the kind of conversation that I hope to eventually get going, and as Ilie mentioned, each topic probably deserves its own thread. For somebody who admits to scientific illiteracy, Melinda’s post is refreshingly perceptive. I think that I am required to make some observations and replies to her and Ilie’s posts. :)

So here goes…

Melinda’s first topic, on the lack of awareness and funding (AKA “help”) for FE scientists and inventors is definitely part of the problem, and Melinda has it right in that raising the awareness of FE and its potential is part of what this thread is about. In fact, it is virtually all that my work has been about for the past twenty-something years. Making FE thinkable has been my publicly-acknowledged game for a long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

The public’s lack of awareness, however, is only part of the problem at this stage of the game, but the public’s lack of awareness is what allows part of the situation to exist, and is the part that I am focusing on, but a public that puts FE talk on the same shelf as Dancing with the Stars will not be much help, at least not for what I am trying to stir up. Any attempts to engage the public have to aim very high, higher than where 99.9% of the public seems willing to look these days. The organized suppression is highly effective at this stage:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=514878&viewfull=1#post514878

which all FE debunkers deny, even when the seizure of energy patents under the secrecy laws in the USA is undeniable and rampant. The White Scientists virtually all deny the FE suppression activities, too, and if that does not work to protect them from becoming aware, then they can fall back on the “laws of physics” defense. Their Level 3 awareness is probably the most entrenched of all of those in FE denial, as hard as that may be to believe:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

They have a religious faith in their positions, but call them objective. Anybody playing the FE development game, and wants to survive the experience, has to relinquish all ideas of patenting, becoming rich and famous, etc. Those are all pitfalls, and I have yet to meet an inventor who avoided them or even wanted to. As I have stated many times, the only prayer for the FE inventor route is for an inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group. My efforts can be seen as perhaps the beginnings of trying to form that worthy group, but I am really looking for singers, not soldiers. Anybody who wants to go “do something” at this stage on the technology front needs to go see people like Dennis and offer to sleep on their floor:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=578559&viewfull=1#post578559

Melinda’s observations about the “small ball” answers from the neo-Luddites and others who advocate austerity are spot on. The world’s poor sure don’t want to hear it, especially coming from self-flagellating whites in the industrialized nations.

It is very clear that when women are freed from the role of being baby-machines in poor, primarily agrarian-based societies, the birth rates go down dramatically, because the exploitation principle behind large families (called “the peasant’s road to wealth” in certain academic corners) no longer applies, and women, when given the opportunity, don’t want to be baby-machines, consigned to a life of drudgery:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=545023&highlight=paradox#post545023

Two children are plenty for almost all women, if given a truly free choice. But the paradigm is deeply entrenched, as old as civilization, so there is plenty of work to do.

More to write, but it is time to go to work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have a little time before bed. That cage that Ilie writes about, on the mental level, is built by the dominant ideologies, which are all based on scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

At the emotional level, it is fear. As I stated elsewhere, all fears appear to be rooted in the idea of not being in control of what happens to our bodies, whether that is violence, starvation, incarceration, privation, etc. Once the scarcity game ends, the scarcity-based motivation behind all of those “grab and defend” activities that Melinda alluded to (or “violate and justify,” etc.) can simply go away, relegated to relics of scarcity.

A lot of what Melinda writes about, as far as FE freeing us to get beyond survival issues, is what I call ascending Maslow’s Hierarchy a few levels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Fuller called it the pursuit of self-realization:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

To get back to the theme of this wonderful thread, what becomes obsolete is primarily scarcity and our destructive ways of obtaining energy and its fruits. One asteroid would meet all of humanity’s metal needs. Brian O was a big advocate of that:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

One of the things that I hope to see become obsolete with the advent of FE is the culture of death that permeates our societies. It promotes death, despite the shiny, deceptive forms it takes whilst doing so. In doing so it sells us remarkably short. I realise I may be preaching to the choir here on Avalon, but it feels worth reiterating. We are beings made of and connected to a divine source of light - glistening with vitality, wisdom, connectivity and enormous potential for love in the all-pervading senses of the word.

There’s a very profound point made by various scientists in the field of new energy solutions (including Tom Valone, who I’ve quoted below), to do with the cultural significance of the energy we use in our societies. In many ways the nature of our energy use defines the stage of growth we are at in terms of how we perceive our lives.

You don’t have to look very far in the current mainstream media to see a culture of death. It is promulgated and compounded in the TV and print news, in TV and cinema drama, and in multiple aspects of our consumer culture. The TV, cinema, and print media do it fairly obviously with daily coverage or graphic portrayal of violence and death. Our consumer culture does it in multiple ways; examples including... encouraging a technological culture of planned obsolescence (whereby today’s gadget ends up in tomorrow’s landfill), right down to the chemical sun-lotions we are marketed – the marketing of which is based around the sun’s potential to inflict harm on us, and the use of which inflicts harm on the ecosystems, as pointed out by Alex Rogers (quoted below.)

Alex Rogers spoke in 2012 at the premiere of the documentary Aluna the Movie (a film about the Kogi people of Columbia.) He is a Professor of Conservation Biology at the Department of Zoology and a Fellow of Somerville College, University of Oxford.

Various quotes taken from here: http://youtu.be/NkppglKa3_g
1min 58secs in: “The Kogi really understand their environment in a way that is so profound we almost can’t recognise it.”
3mins 5secs in: “When the Kogi talk about connectivity between habitats and ecosystems, that is a very real phenomena that we’ve come to recognise over the last 10, 20 years of ecology. Mangrove forests in particular are intimately connected with other coastal ecosystems such as coral reefs and sea grass beds, and if you damage one of those systems you in fact lose the others, simply because of the knock-on effects of this connectivity.”
13mins 37secs in: “What I would say is that time certainly is running out. I mean you may have seen in the news this week that we’ve reached the magic figure of 400 parts per million CO2 in the atmosphere, which was somewhere which certainly us as biologists never wanted to go. For ecosystems such as coral reefs, we’re almost in a situation where they’re irretrievably gone. Certainly if there isn’t serious action taken within the next 10 years, maybe 20 years, we will see whole systems just disappear from the earth. But having said that, in my own personal experience one person can make a difference. I think the first thing to do is to educate yourselves and educate other people about the consequences of the way we live, the consequences of the levels of individual consumption. I’ll give you a very simple example. People go to tropical countries on holiday, and they slap tons of sun tan cream on. What they don’t realise is that that stuff interferes with the reproductive systems of the very coral reefs that they’re going to see, and actually turns them sterile. So it’s things like that, it’s just the complete thoughtlessness that we’ve slipped into. It’s this absence of thought, which is something which the Kogi talk about a lot: to think about the world, think about where you want to be, and we’re not thinking about where we want to be in 10 or 20 or 30 years time. We’re almost forced or pushed into just thinking about the immediate present.”

The focus on the immediate present that he mentions, makes me again think of our culture of death. It’s a culture which bombards us with images of decay, and promotes consumer items to save our skins (such as sun cream), ranking the importance of fulfilling that need above the importance of considering the wider ecological consequences of the tools we use to do it. A culture of death is one that promotes fears about our immediate gratification and survival, above all else.

On that point, I thought I’d mention what physicist Thomas Valone Ph.D, had to say about the subject in an interview with Regina Meredith of the Conscious Media Network, in (I believe) 2008. Tom Valone authored the book “Zero Point Energy, the Fuel of the Future,” and is one of the directors of the New Energy Movement that was founded by former astronaut Dr Brian O’ Leary.
Speaking about climate change and efforts to implement solutions that could help us restore the environment, he said...

9mins 17secs in: http://youtu.be/MxsiCBzeYkw
Tom: “If we wait until everything’s approved, in theory... it’s going to be too late. We can’t go past 450 parts per million on the earth’s carbon dioxide level or else it’ll be an irreversible change.”
Regina: “And we’re at 380.”
Tom: “Right. It’ll take a Herculean effort, in fact that’s why I’m giving a talk today on the archetypal significance of future energy. Because when you look at the Greek gods you get these archetypal images of what happens when you add fire to your energy. Then you’ve got all kinds of problems and impacts and negative problems that have to be paid off.”
Regina: “Can you give just a little bit of that to us now?”
Tom: “Prometheus. Prometheus is a great example. And unfortunately when you’re stealing fire and wanting to use it for mankind, which is exactly what we’ve done for the past hundred years, Tesla predicted, he says when you use fuel for mankind we’re going to have to stop it for the sake of future generations because of the negative consequences... You’re using a waste product, that’s a morbid, death-containing fossil. It’s our ancestors, if you want to look at it that way. You’re digging up the graves of the ancestors and we’re adding fire to it. It’s so disgusting...
Regina: “Primitive.”
Tom: “Primitive is the word for it, that you end up realising death begets death, and of course that’s what we’re doing to our atmosphere. We’re adding pollution from burning of dead things, to add more death to our living systems. And it’s a contradictory thing. We can’t produce life from burning dead things.”

This strikes me as one of the most fundamental and far-reaching points about accessing the zero-point field for our energy use. It takes us from a culture of energy use that is dependent on death and the burning/consumption of remnants of physical life, to a culture whose energy infrastructure taps into a field that is (to my understanding) clean, alive, vast and infinitely more generous. An energy culture based on vitality, rather than decay.

33mins 5secs in:
Tom: “I kept one newspaper article where a million people were without electricity because of some storm. I thought: this has got to change. Because it’s bad enough to get a storm that makes all kinds of damage to your home and property, like hurricanes in Florida – regular occurrences all the time, then of course you have to lose your electricity on top of that? This is not modern society.”

I thought that part was particularly timely to quote given the recent devastation in the U.S. Switching to sustainable energy solutions, such as ‘free’ / ‘zero-point’ energy that require far less grid-based or road-transport-dependent infrastructures, would mean far less lasting damage from environmental catastrophes. Many of the problems with our current infrastructure (that create long delays and significant costs in the recovery of devastated areas) would become obsolete with FE. The sooner that happens, the better for all of us.

Later in the interview Regina refers back to energy archetypes, asking Tom which is applicable to Zero Point Energy.
40mins 30secs in:
Tom: “Well the archetype for that is Hyperion, and it’s the source of the sun’s energy and the moon’s energy. So you really get a fundamental, non-corporeal energy source that then manifests as visible sun and light energies. And this is probably the most futuristic and also the most acceptable energy source that we could imagine. Zero point energy not only has been the subject of psychic discoveries for example, where they’ve done a 2050 project... I’ll think of the Ph.D’s name who did the project with thousands of people, and they were asking questions of what the year 2050 would be like in terms of many things including energy. But the energy question was universally... the majority of them described it as being solved with small... generators in the home, in the vehicles and in businesses, and in aircraft. And this is exactly the type of archetype that the zero point energy generator will portray. And the nice thing is they, under this questioning, say semi-hypnotic type of remote-viewing of the future, were describing exactly this type of thing as being ‘Oh, the energy problem has been solved.’ And that’s exactly the phrase, and I would say the affirmation, that I’m constantly repeating to myself. I’m trying to envision and create that panacea, where the energy problem has been solved..."
42mins 58secs in: "As Steven Greer very graciously says to his audiences, prayer and affirmation are very important.”

“I’m trying to envision and create that panacea, where the energy problem has been solved...” I believe that’s what you were doing when you started this thread Ilie :)

The whole interview is worthwhile and enjoyable :)

[Ilie Pandia]

In a scarcity world accounting is a very important game!

We care a lot about what is mine, what is not mine, how much will I get and what is my share! We are keenly aware of how small the pie is and we want make sure we get our fair cut! (And a fair cut means different things to different people). We begin to get nervous if we are at the end of the queue to get our share from an ever smaller piece of pie and sometimes we are ready to get violent if someone tries to jump in front of us.

We sacrifice quality for profit, make our decisions from fear of not having enough now or in the future and we sometimes even sacrifice long friendships over money.

We have a saying around here that roughly translates to: "Yes, you are my brother... but bread costs money!" or "We are all happy and smiles... until you touch my money!"

These are all ideas deeply rooted in scarcity and would seem ludicrous in an abundant world.

Look now at your past interactions with other people, and see how much was limited because of fear of loss or not having enough money! (We seem to put a price tag on everything...) Did you refuse to help a friend? You could not afford the education you've always wanted? Did you chose a vacation location based on the price? What do you teach your children about wealth and abundance? Did you turn a blind eye to "other people's problems"? Were you ever tempted to cheat or to steal? Did you get very angry with someone that stole from you? How do you tolerate other people's mistakes? How do you feel about how much is your employer paying you and how is that affecting your relation ship?

Now just imagine how would you have reacted or chosen differently if abundance and wealth were not an issue for you and the other party involved.

Would you still chose to pay rent where you live now?

Would you sill go to work? And if yes how would your work day be if you no longer cared about your paycheck or being fired?

What kind of friends would you have? Would you let go of some? Would you get close to others? Would you forgive those that have wronged you?

What about your family? If money were no longer an issue would that make a difference? Would you spend more time together? How would you raise your children? What would you teach them? What you would say to them that most important things are?

Would you still be lazy and procrastinate? Would there still be stuff that you "simply have to do!" in an abundant world? Would you still do something even if you don't feel enthusiastic about doing it?

Would you appreciate nature more? Would you still keep animals in cages or chained to you? Would you consider hugging a tree?

What would be the most delicious food you would choose to eat if price was of no concern? Would it be a fruit?

What would you like to study or learn about? What kind of experiences would you look for? Would you help others to have their own experiences? Would you invite others to share in your own experiences?

How would you feel about life in an abundance world?

I hope you will see that with Free Energy and the abundance that it implies, keeping track of who owns what and how much, becomes irrelevant and I hope you will ponder the questions above and become more aware of your own choices now and imagine the freedom you'd experience in an abundance based paradigm.

[Wade Frazier]

Ha, I’ll tell you what else will be obsolete: me, in more ways than one! :)

When Ilie gets on a role like that, I just want to stand back in awe, and think that my days are numbered on the choir front. Also, I am an accountant by profession, courtesy of that damn voice in my head, so I will become doubly obsolete. Maybe I can retire then. :)

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I was reading today about an account of police brutality around the area where I live.

You may think that this has nothing to do with Free Energy, but it has everything to do with.

Things like this, are a small scale manifestation of a huge problem: all most nobody gives a damn about anything else beyond their full belly. Things like this happen because we allow them to happen, as hard as it is to swallow this pill.

Imagining a Free Energy world puts a mirror in our face, and forces us to look in places we would rather not. It shows us our barbaric ways, our lack of caring for one another, our fears and indifference. It's tough to look into that mirror...

The reason this story got reported was because a person watching (who happened to be a reporter) wanted to intervene. He was also served some of the treatment to confirm that "no good deed goes unpunished!"

Violence really scares me, and I doubt I would have dared to do anything. This is a fear I am yet to face and heal. In many ways I am the classic "forum hero", locked inside the house.

With free energy all this becomes obsolete! The police brutality has its reason that will simply not exist in an abundant society. With a creator mentality humans will no longer act from a place of fear. (Even "what's in it for me" is still a fear manifestation of "not being more than enough" for every body).

All this can and will go away, but we have to have a deep look at ourselves and our ways, before we can have Free Energy. This will not come from outside of us... there is nothing to wait for. This can only come from an inside initiative.

"Our society’s institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt" (quote attributed to Dennis Lee (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#free))

[Dennis Leahy]

... we have to have a deep look at ourselves and our ways, before we can have Free Energy. This will not come from outside of us... there is nothing to wait for. This can only come from an inside initiative.

"Our society’s institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt" (quote attributed to Dennis Lee (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#free))I need to gently disagree.

What I see as true:
Our society's institutions are corrupt because...
...we have allowed a small contingent of some of the most corrupt people to create a filter mechanism to ensure that only those corruptible are allowed to control the institutions.

The empirical data is skewed. We look at institutions, and see rampant corruption, and leap to the false conclusion that this is human nature. It's not. We may not all exhibit the same degree of integrity and absolute refusal to compromise, but the vast majority of us are not corrupt.

When we entered the game (when we were born), there was already a hierarchical structure in place, and a false history written to make the most corrupt people look like good guys, using nouns like "leaders", "industrialists", "philanthropists", and adjectives such as "powerful", "resourceful", and "smart." The truth is that these people are corrupt, and a huge part of their strategy is to find others of like mind to fill-in the hierarchy beneath them. A book was written some years ago that explored the concept that was called "the Peter Principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle)", where people who perform competently are promoted up the ladder until they languish in a position of incompetence. The truth is more sinister: (at the higher management levels), people are promoted up the ladder based on loyal complicity, willingness to collude, corruptibility, and ability to hold secrets of corruption.

Otherwise, an effort like The Reset Button, [which seeks to break the existing (corrupt) hierarchy, remove as many of the mechanisms of corruption as possible, and place somewhat randomly chosen ordinary citizens vetted to have no ties to organizations that foster collusion into temporary positions of governance] is doomed to fail, as yet another group of humans tasked with governance (the institution of government) simply falls into corruption.

Ilie, you have integrity. So does Wade. I have integrity. This is not to be confused with being "perfect" - we are most certainly imperfect. Think of yourself and a handful of people that you know - people of integrity - and imagine the group of you starting and operating an institution. Will you become corrupt? I say, no.

But, allow corrupt people to create filtering mechanism that enables them to hand-select the corruptible, and they will. Like the secret societies or the Mafia, the "new hires" need to understand the pecking order, do as they are told, and keep it secret. The further up the ladder, and the more powerful the position, the more likely the person is to be a sociopath (who can easily rationalize any corruption as a means to an end.)

To segue back to free energy, it is my belief that we humans are by and large not corrupt, are generous, and are compassionate. The false paradigm of scarcity temporarily masks these attributes, as we become convinced - on the most visceral level - that we need to compete for resources. Thus, with free energy and abundance, the pressure to compete is lifted, and it will become quite obvious that (by and large) humans are not corrupt.

:~)

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Dennis,

I appreciate your good opinion of me, however I do not see myself as having integrity. Not in the way it is required to bring Free Energy to open world.

I guess my writing style is such that I cast my own fears on everybody else, because I seem to see them in almost everybody.

As I have already stated, I am afraid to intervene in the case of violence. And I have some "lack of intervention on my part" that I will have to live with. Nothing major or dramatic, but hiding from it will not do me any good. I try not to blame myself for it, but I still to be aware of this "fear program" in my psyche.

Reading about the Dennis' Lee adventures, I got a different sense about what "integrity" means. My integrity has not been tested, not even %1 of what Dennis and those around him have been through.

I've just finished reading Wade's Medical Racket (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm) essay, and more often than not, I've seen myself in the coward that fled, or in the doctors playing all kind of mental trick to solve their cognitive dissonance. I do not consider myself evil, quite the opposite in fact. Also I think that most of the humans are good people with very very few really "dark pathers". But being a good soul does not seem to be enough, because I am trapped in various layers of fear and conditioning that I need to shed before I can talk about integrity.

Your experience with "The Reset Button", in my view, hints and what I am saying here. Most people are not wake... most people are still very afraid. And I include myself in "most people".

The main purpose of this thread is to raise awareness about this conditioning that we respond from, to see the jail around our minds and our hearts, that filters and suppresses the "good in us". (Again I say "our" when I shoud perhaps say only "mine")

Institutions do not have brains or souls. As far as I am concerned they do not exist per se. Behind the institutions is me.. me... me. Working there, hiding experimental data, doing other people dirty job (because I don't dare speak up), prescribing expensive medicine (because I've convinced myself that it is good for the patient, so I can live with the fact that part of the profits will pay for my vacation), libeling others because I did not do proper research... and so on. In my view, the "corrupt institutions" are not the cause, but the effect of... us (me).

I did not write the posts above about you Dennis :). You've spent the time to research and write "The Reset Button" (http://www.resetbutton2012.org/) and you stood up to TSA. That's only what I am aware of. I am yet to have any of those experiences...

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis Lee ran into a LOT of corrupt people. I don't blame him for making the statement that you quoted. To him (or anyone sticking their head into the nest of hornets) it appears that everyone is corrupt. I guess I should have said I disagree with Dennis Lee - on that one issue. When we have free energy, Dennis Lee will agree with me, I'm convinced. :~)

Dennis

[CdnSirian]

Ilie I have to say I think you're applying a gruelling standard to yourself. I personally don't know anyone who wouldn't avoid violence, except perhaps if their or another's child was in a life threatening situation. In that case, another force takes over. And, some people simply won't deal with the TSA. They drive. It's a choice some can make. I don't think there's anything cowardly in avoiding situations you don't want to deal with, and/or are afraid of.

I think it's reasonable to know your limitations, and function in an arena where your skills and gifts can be shared. Which it seems, you are doing. And very well :).

[Ilie Pandia]

What would you think about the people that have allowed: "a small contingent of some of the most corrupt people to create a filter mechanism to ensure that only those corruptible are allowed to control the institutions".

Aren't the most of us making up the group that is doing the allowing? Isn't this a lack of personal integrity. Why to the people stand by and allow this? This is not reflected back on them in the slightest?

Yes, Dennis Lee saw only the corrupt, because Free Energy is the ultimate challenge for human kind and the controllers. It brought up the worst in people. But what is the value in seeing no corruption, when one is quietly standing in line leading the slaughter house? The shopping malls are full of good people (myself present). Good people cheered while Dennis Lee was burning at the stake. Good people are still calling Dennis Lee a quack and a charlatan because they do not do their own research. And I was part of that group of people until very recently.

And a final thought. Free Energy will bring up the worst in people, in order for the wounds to be healed, and only then can the "good nature" shine through. And this is what this thread is about, exploring and healing these layers of "darkness".

[Ilie Pandia]

Ilie I have to say I think you're applying a gruelling standard to yourself. I personally don't know anyone who wouldn't avoid violence, except perhaps if their or another's child was in a life threatening situation. In that case, another force takes over. And, some people simply won't deal with the TSA. They drive. It's a choice some can make. I don't think there's anything cowardly in avoiding situations you don't want to deal with, and/or are afraid of.

I think it's reasonable to know your limitations, and function in an arena where your skills and gifts can be shared. Which it seems, you are doing. And very well :).

I understand that.

But in my mind, I make a difference between responding to a situation properly or acting out of fear. In my perspective is a huge difference. I also avoid violence, because I know I cannot handle it and I cannot help much. But, there are very many ways to help in a non-violent and intelligent ways. But to do that you must not act out of fear.

About the TSA, I recall that nobody seemed to stand in support of Dennis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51555-OPT-OUT--OPT-OUT---My-recent-experience-refusing-airport-scanner.-). From his post, I recall, he was made to look like a terrorist: "Hey, look! someone has refused the scanner!!". Nobody said: "Good for you mate! You courage gives me courage! I'll refuse the scanner too".

And, thinking more about "avoiding"... there seems to be only so much time for you to avoid problems... sooner or later you will not be able to.

[sandy]

Hi everyone,

I have interceded in violent situations numerous times in my life. Starting with my own Father as a young teenager. I have also participated in violence believing my justifications were right, long before I learned different. Thus I'm not comfortable with violence, however do have a fair amount of personal experience in this area, from an abusive childhood, abusive partners and many years working in correctional facilities and in the community with street people. There is something to be said about love language and if the only type of attention equated as love comes from abusive behavior then that is what one establishes whether they know it or not. So for many years this was part of my love language existence as it is for much of the dysfunction in the world.

I have always fought for the underdog so to speak including stepping into violent situations encountered on the street, private homes or jails. Yes I have taken a few shots to the head and was even cold cocked once but something makes me step up to the plate when I see someone else or the threat of someone getting hurt. I do it too if the person is being verbally abused, bullied or attacked intellectually just because the other person can. To this day I will intervene in violent situations because it is the right thing to do IMO. Most of the time intervention works if one is just fearless enough to enact their compassion to stop people hurting one another. I've been blessed with success more often than not by intevening as many are just taken aback that a woman no taller than 5' 1'' would try and get in the way and making more noise than those fighting, thus many just stop, thinking a crazy lady has entered the scene and the unpredictability factor just rose a whole lot higher :)

As Ilie indicates violence and avoiding violence does come from fear and only the individual can identify what that fear or fears are but one must do so to enhance personal integrity levels on all aspects their of being. I applaud you Ilie for your self awareness and ownership of your identified fears and couldn't agree more that we all need to become more honest with ourselves versus rationalize why it is okay to have less personal integrity to survive or have our every day needs met.

It seems to me from Dennis Lee's adventures especially those jail stints that his personal integrity kept him more safe in the end than playing the games his fellow inmates and or correctional systems coercing him to conform to their corruption would have.

If we want Free Energy to become a reality we are all going to have to take a look at our comforts, comfort zones and fears and start biting the bullet so to speak when it is the right thing to do. Heck just the other day I had to ask a friend of over 30 years to remove me from her group email that forwards oppressive, degrading and prejudicial information about our First Nations peoples here in Canada as it wasn't good enough for her to agree to disagree on our individual belief systems as I requested and she found it necessary to send more scathing info to prove her belief was the right one. That was not an easy thing to do after so many years of being friends but it was the right thing to do versus facilitate this kind of divisive information.........................she has stopped communicating with me :(

It is time to get tough with ourselves and walk the talk...................................I still have many areas like Ilie and others to work on and yes it is a lonely trail this personal integrity route but heck I started it the day I sobered up, many moons ago I might add so why stop now. :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

If you all don’t mind, I would like to add my two bits to the recent exchanges. Dennis told me that our institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt, but he experienced the corruption of “average people” long before he experienced the system’s corruption. Before they lowered the boom on us in Ventura, I had witnessed about a dozen attempts to steal our company, and I told Dennis how shocking it was to see, and told me the equivalent of, “Welcome to the club.” :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#shocked

Until you get to where what you are doing has economic consequences, it is all just talk, and you really do not get to see what people are made of until those economic consequences come into view. I saw that view, repeatedly, and for every heroic Mr. Professor:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=579023&viewfull=1#post579023

there were a thousand dupes like Mr. Engineer and Mr. Researcher:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=580973&highlight=researcher#post580973

and dozens of predators who saw their chance to steal it all:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient1

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#trio

And they made the jobs of Godzilla’s minions laughably easy. And most people inflicting the evil at the institutional level just happily do it as part of their jobs:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#care

Tagging our institutions with primary responsibility for the state of affairs is called institutional analysis or structuralism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

Those tagging a handful of elites as having primary responsibility, acting consciously toward an intended, often evil, outcome, in secret, is called conspiracism.

Both the structuralists and the conspiracists largely absolve the masses of responsibility for the state of affairs. That is how victims think:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness

We all have a hand in creating this situation.

But Joe Average is fast asleep, and the only way that he is going to wake up to FE is to have it delivered to his home:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

He can wake up to other stuff, taking baby steps, but FE is the big one and has been the case for longer than I have been alive.

That Ilie is frank about his fears is good work. Having fear comes with the price of living on Earth. The question, as I see it, is if we let our fears control us, or we honor them and do our best to let them go for healing. Non-heroes often think that heroes have no fear. That is not true. The heroes don’t let their fear control them.

The FE issue is the biggest one on Earth, and newbies to the milieu almost invariably try to see how they can stampede people toward FE under the banners that all movements have historically organized themselves around. It does not work. I call that approach Level 10:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10

and I was a part of some of the highest profile Level 10 efforts ever mounted, and it was a learning experience that I barely survived. I came to realize that Joe Average is generally worse than worthless for helping FE manifest. Joe Average is easily herded this way and that by the social managers, and you can’t outmaneuver the master shepherd, and I don’t even want to try. Until people begin to play at those levels, what I am saying usually goes right over their heads, but Ilie gets the gist of my work, and his posts are rarely less than brilliant. Again, he is the gold standard of what I am looking for, and he knows that I am not looking for heroes. :)

Only when an FE device is delivered to Joe Average’s door will he begin to wake up to the idea of abundance in any meaningful way. I wish the masses were more help, but they aren’t. The question naturally arises whether Joe Average is even worth waking up. I think so, but chasing after FE, trying to drag Joe Average along, or enticing him with carrots, is a fool’s approach that I have already lived through more than once. Joe Average is currently only fit to cheer on football teams and wars, punch the clock, and drink his Budweiser. It is just how it is on planet Earth these days. Just this morning, I had to field a post that wanted me to look into what a great guy Genghis Khan was:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=622076&viewfull=1#post622076

Given a chance in today’s world, about a third of adult men become sadists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#browning

It is part of our killer ape heritage:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=537104&viewfull=1#post537104

But let’s get this back on track to what would become obsolete with FE and abundance. While we have physical bodies, there will always be some level of fear, but in a world of abundance, fear will no longer run the show as it does today. The dark pathers are going to hate living here if abundance comes to pass, because they will no longer be able to play their games:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

They have my sympathy. It can’t be easy wanting to be Emperor of the Universe. That delusion is soul-wrecking, but that is how the dark path thinks. They do not think like the rest of us, and it is the path of folly to project our “normal” motivations onto dark pathers. They march to a different drummer. I understand enough of how they operate that I don’t want to have anything to do with them, not while I am trying out the FE path. But encountering them comes with the territory of what I do, and Joe Average is a lamb to the slaughter when interacting with accomplished dark pathers. Only fools or spiritual masters think that they can outmaneuver or outsmart them. I am no master, and while I have played the fool often enough, I put aside the idea of taking on the dark pathers when I was a teenager. It turns out that I did outsmart a bunch of dark pathers, but it was little more than being willing to stand up for the truth and love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

and it cost me my life. I would not recommend it to anybody. Our origin and destination are divine, but on this planet, it is very rarely evident, and I think that the purpose of being here is to try to tap that divine wellspring of our being, a well that is anything but easy to tap, with a creator that plays hide and seek with us. That is why love and FE are joined at the hip:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

but we can’t get there by dragging our scarcity-based baggage with us.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

If FE is delivered to people’s homes, they are going to get a big leg up on grokking abundance and what can come with it, but at some level we all need to do the work. There are no shortcuts. Those who can leave that baggage behind and help FE manifest will likely get some otherworldly “reward” for their efforts that are probably hard to imagine, but the “reward” is probably just the level of awareness that they will attain. Others will climb the mountain in their own way, but the people blazing the FE trail will make it easier for everybody behind them. That really is the intention of my work.

Best,

Wade

[4evrneo]

I just watched this video and it finally clicked for me, in understanding more about the scarcity mentality, and about free energies that are available to us.

I apologize if this has already been posted here but I thought it really fits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg&feature=player_detailpage

For some of us who may have a hard time wrapping our head around the entire situation/problem as a whole, this video put it into a perspective I can understand better. This also gave me a better understanding of how I can make better choices to not support the current system.

A couple weeks ago I found a local company that delivers organic produce and other things to your office or home, all local farmers, and free delivery ! I absolutely love this company and actually have gotten several people to try it out so far. My goal is to only buy local, and not give my money, as much as possible, to the corporations.

https://az.naturesgardendelivered.com/

(for anyone in Arizona, I highly recommend it)

[Ilie Pandia]

This week I have started reading a book about security in information systems. It is a subject that I am passionate about and I find it both interesting and challenging at the same time. It is also rather important in a world where our day to day activities are being guided and monitored by computers.

In between chapters I've put the book down and asked myself: why is security engineering so important? Why is it that some work so hard to hide and block access to information while others work even harder to break in?

I have to admit that a small part of the answer is the challenge. On one side to create a complex puzzle or riddle and on the other side to solve it. And this also the aspect that draws me in.

But in practical terms, yes, you've guessed it, the answer is scarcity.

Those that do the hidding fear they have something to lose, and when resources are scarce, loosing is not pleasant. Those that do the hacking are also motivated by scarcity trying to get a bigger slice of the limited pie.

I believe that with abundance the need for security and secrecy becomes obsolete. Mainly because the driving force behind "hacking" is not there any more.

We've already discussed that patents and "industry secrets" would go away, but I think that we can take this a lot further and say that military "clearance levels" will become obsolete as well. This may seem ridiculous in today's world, but it's only a logical conclusion of abundance. I think that the development of a free energy society would quickly dwarf any military secrets, even those held by the so called "black science".

This obsession with safety and security is rooted in fear and ultimately in scarcity. And it also has a lot to do with the materialistic view of the world that White Science is currently locked in.

The only kind of security and safety that free energy people would be concerned about would be with the design of their technology. And when profit is no longer an issue then it will be common sense to create the best and most safe design possible at the time.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

Now is where I turn on the Twilight Zone music. What you are describing in cyber-security is part of what I do at my day job. Over the years, hacking has graduated from teenage boys trying to make name for themselves among their hacker pals to professional cyber-crime rings whose goal is sucking bank accounts dry by compromising the security of companies, but their usual victims these days are Joe Average who surfs a porn site, gets a Trojan that keylogs his banking credentials and then cracks his account. The next thing he knows, his bank account got sucked dry and the funds ended up in Russia or some other former communist nation.

I lied awake at night, designing ways to plug holes so we could not get taken, and Wall Street took us instead! :) We lost over $30 million in “good as cash” investments that Wall Street sold to “suckers” like us, and I had to help mop up the aftermath of it.

Yes, in a world of abundance, hacking does not make any sense. “Security” becomes only about safety, so that nobody gets hurt.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

A person close to me, gave me a small book about seduction :). Because I value this person I did start to read the book, although reluctantly, since I've hardly ever read anything on this subject that made any sense to me.

I was pleasantly surprised that the focus of the book was mostly personal development and it included a spiritual perspective on things.

I read the book with a huge smile on my face, most of the time, because I could see the watermark on the page "scarcity" "scarcity" "scarcity". (I guess I have Wade to thank for this).

I believe that what we think of today as "seduction" and "sex" would be radically different in an abundant society.

Concerns like "who is paying", "income bracket", "fashion styles", "the alpha male" and all that become completely irrelevant. It seems to me, that seduction, in today's world, is just a manipulation into getting two people to agree to a "contract". (Of course there are exceptions and some are genuinely interested in discovering the other person and "growing" together).

I don't think that sex will become obsolete in a Free Energy society (or at least I hope not), but I am pretty sure that most of our conditioning around sex, love and how we relate to one another will fade away when money, profit, lack and power over others become irrelevant. It's incredible to see how much of our day to day programming is based on scarcity and how different we would act if that programming would not be there... Even the way we say "Hello" (or don't say it) to persons of different (perceived) status...

[Wade Frazier]

Boy, this is almost getting eerie, like Ilie is reading my mind. I made a little reply to it here this morning:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=638913&viewfull=1#post638913

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The other day I had to go to the dentist. (That's a whole new field that would be revolutionized by FE, but it's a different story for later).

I got in, much earlier than my appointment, and I also had to wait for a few people that were there before I was.

So while waiting, there was a pile of glossy magazines on a small table, with happy sexy people on the covers.

I took a few and browsed through them. One of them was "Men's Health" and another "Psychology" (or some such...). By their title you'd think you'd learn something from there...

But page after page, after page, there were ads, more ads, full page ads, two full page ads, glamorous women and men telling me how this and that watch would improve my self esteem, how health is about eating ice cream, how to push her buttons, how to push his buttons and so on... I was almost laughing after a while.

So I've put those down and thought about what is considered information (or health information) these days in those magazines... they were virtually all ads for various expensive products guaranteed to make you feel like a celebrity and fix all your problems!

Surely those magazines are free and anyone can just pick them up and get their dose of ads, since their sponsors would cover the costs... Not so!! Those magazines are quite expensive! That was a shock... people actually buying this stuff to get it into their minds so they can self-hypnotize into believing they need more stuff...

At least the pictures were really cool (as far as color and photographic technique goes).

So why would a producer of such a magazine want Free Energy? Why would the people selling "high class" products would want Free Energy? How about their customers? Well... they DON'T! Free Energy would put an end to all of this non-sense. Their so called careers and "research" would be finished. Their "glamorous glossy" life style ceases to have any meaning or value. Sure they want more money, more products, more boats, more expensive jewelry, but not Free Energy... not if that would mean the end of their niche, not if that would mean that anyone can afford anything and therefore their bought "specialness" would become evident for the emptiness that it is...

And I don't really criticize them either. Looking at how the mind works, they are most of the time on automatic pilot, running the programs they've seen in their parents and their peers. And it's incredibly difficult to change this auto-pilot, mainly because you're not aware of it, but also because it's estimated that this auto-pilot is about 9 times stronger that your conscious awareness. And your conscious awareness gets tired while your auto-pilot does not!

The theory of the mind, as seen by hypnosis, divides the events in our lives into "knows" and "unknowns". The "knows" are what you've already learned, what is familiar. The "unknown" is what you do not yet know. But here is where it gets interesting! As far as the subconscious part of the mind is concerned, the "knows" are positive and pleasurable, even if you do not like them at the conscious level. And the "unknown" causes fear and panic for the subconscious.

This pretty much explains why humans are quick to defend their niche in hell! and they may have illogical panic attacks if their subconscious mind glimpses what a huge change (unknown) Free Energy is! And everybody is more or less a "slave" to this model of the mind. Becoming aware of it, is one of the ways to train your subconscious, to learn new "knows" and replace the old ones. And such changes do not happen over night either... This is why is important to immerse your self in the study of Free Energy, if you want to bring it forward. This is why I appreciate Wade's constant effort of posting on his thread and repeating himself over and over and over again... As far as I know, with the theories we have today, it's the only way to get your deeper mind accustomed to the idea of Free Energy. Once you do that, your mind will start helping you instead of fighting you. You create a "habit" to think in Energy terms. To see Energy everywhere. To ask the Energy question every time a so called "radical solution" is proposed.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

I just staggered through the door after a 14-hour day, and your post gave me a laugh, in a good way. I wish I could take credit for some keen strategy of repeating myself over and over, but I may not be able to help myself. :) Part of me realizes that if my readers keep seeing the same message, from slightly different angles, part of it will click for them. There is nothing easy about getting to Level 12. But part of me is probably marking time until I can get that essay done, and a way to hone some of my chops with this stuff. Avalon was not a planned experience for me. What I am doing here is one of the things I had in mind, but I also look forward to when I can raise the game. Whatever I end up doing at Avalon long-term will be playing at a higher level than we have seen here so far, and that will be the fun part.

I think that Scott’s little experiment highlights the issue very clearly, when he asks people what they would do with their life if all of their needs were met. The most common answer is, “I don’t know.” FE and abundance is so far outside of their conceptions that it is simply unimaginable. That is one of the primary reasons why I say that the vast majority of humanity is not going to begin to understand until it is a reality, or close to one. Then a lot is going to crumble, and quickly, but once people can see that nobody is going to starve or suffer, that there is plenty for everybody, then even those magazine moguls will start to get it.

I think that one of the things that could happen is that people will think that their lives have been a big waste of time before FE and abundance came into their lives. There is virtually nothing that I do in my day job that would survive in a world of abundance. Everything that I do would become obsolete. But what we are doing is part of our plan, if many mystical sources are to be believed. I would like to think that most people will be able to toss out what no longer “works” and begin to embrace what does. If I ever live to see that kind of transition happen, it will be a very interesting way to spend my old age.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Time for another post here.

In the last few months I took a really deep dive into the human mind, what it is and how it works. It's a subject that fascinates me, I do read a lot about it, do experiments around it (mostly on myself), and observe "the others".

There are many models for the mind and many theories of the mind. I have looked in depth at some of them. I have noticed many mentalists, hypnotists, medical doctors and psychiatrists being locked into "their theory of the mind", much like the "laws of physics" for scientists. I am pretty confident to say, that while various theories and models work and are usable in various cases, nobody actually knows what the mind is and how the mind works. Also, even though I do read a lot about this, I do not consider myself an expect and I strive to learn more and develop a comprehensive view of the issue.

With all that out of the way, I have an insight that I think is relevant for this thread.

Experiments with hypnosis and suggestions (/suggestibility) tend to show that we "react" most of the times based on programs that we are not aware of. This is important, because it brings into focus the questions: are we really sentient?!

A lot of people look at mentalists or stage hypnosis and usually have one of the two reactions:
- this was all fake, with actors and all that
- that's cool, but this would never work on me!

In my opinion both reactions miss the mark! I think a more productive attitude would be: "Wow... our minds are incredibly powerful and strange and unknown to us! If the mind can be hacked for all those funny effects, what other gems are there, suppressed by my belief system?" Nobody seems to make the connection that they are suggestible the entire day to various input and most if it at sub-conscious level. On stage, it's just more dramatic and obvious, but it does not end there.

When you make a decision, like choosing a "random" number, do you really think that you are actually making a free decision? Mentalists seems to prove that you do not. You will respond based on a set of programs that are currently triggered (working) in your mind. Your decision is not free at all. This is really a scary thought to consider. We are basically locked inside our own minds. We have a ton of programs running that we have little to no conscious control over, and the advertisement industry (just to take an example) works really hard to hack into those programs or trigger them in a specific way.

The good news is that we seem to have the ability to "step back" and look at all of this. The bad news is that it seems to be incredibly hard to step back and then not get pulled right in, into your unconscious behavior. So I really sympathize with those that say we are all under "mass hypnosis" thinking we are a wide awake and aware. Or those that say we are not really sentient, but we simply have more sophisticated programs and more fine tuned "training of our young" than the monkeys do. (no offense for the monkeys!)

So what has all this to do with Free Energy? Well, according to various models of the mind, this trance-like state we are in most of the times, simply reacting to stimuli and not consciously responding, is a very very old response to fear. In an abundant society, we would hopefully learn not to be afraid anymore and so unlock our minds from fear's grip. Right now, it is perceived as not being safe to be aware and conscious. First of all, you get to see all the pain around you and then, the "hive mind" will see you as different and work really hard to get you back in line...

I also have hunch (that I cannot confirm in any way), that is not an accident that our models of the mind are what they are today. That even though "conscious" and "sub-conscious" are mentioned, nobody really talks about consciousness and what it is. So they still keep to a pretty materialistic view.

I wrote this post today thinking of Wade. :) He has been (forcefully) deprogrammed and then re-programmed into a new way of thinking. Sometimes I really wonder what it would be like to "see" the world through his mind? Most of the time I think I get it, but looking at his life experience is most likely that I don't! I can imagine that Wade does have to make a conscious effort to hold a positive vision for the future having been through the meat grinder. It's really amazing he is not resentful and bitter. But he definitely sees this word in very different shades and colors than most of us do. I can only hope his efforts will get through our own beliefs systems and plant some seeds there...

(Hi, Wade! sorry to talk about you and not at you).

[sandy]

Hi Ilie,

Great post and one that definitely depicts the breadth and depth of your mind and mindfulness. I do believe that we are sentient beings at the core of our essence however the conditioning of crud is so thick that often it takes many deep scrapes of the scalpel so to speak before we can truly feel the pain and beauty that lies within our hearts and souls.

Much of my career was working with what others would call the dregs of life (maximum security inmates,street people/addicts,etc) and I always looked for the gem inside and never hesitated to show them mine. I can honestly say at no time did I ever feel that my life was in jeopardy even though I bared my physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being leaving me ultimately vulnerable on all levels to some of the most dangerous of inmates.

My approach may have not been to level headed for most but it did prove to me that giving that much trust and honoring the spirit in others, creates a circumstance that one can only respond in like. One Sentient Being recognizing the other Sentient Being.I did not do this consciously or all the time but when it happened the inmate and myself , in later reflection would be baffled, both probably kicking our inner asses for taking this kind of risk in such a dangerous atmosphere. From this point on though there was a respect and unspoken bond that facilitated growth for our relationship and personal evolution no matter the avenue of each of our journeys. I would venture a guess that this is how Dennis eventually found his footing inside prison walls and gained such respect from his fellow inmates, as Wade has written of on his Thread.

Even dominant dogs will honor another dog who bares his chest and throat and will end the fight>>>>dogs are sentient beings too IMO.

So although we give much credence to the mind there is something much greater that can't be qualified at all other than spirit, all that is, source and the wonder and awesomeness of LOVE!! What is Free Energy??>>>> it is Love and when Love prevails all energy will be Abundant and Free :hug:

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Hi Ilie:

It looks like today I get put on the couch! You are not the only one. :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=654212&viewfull=1#post654212

As usual, you bring up big subjects, and brilliantly. One very interesting aspect of my studies since 1990 has been running into Noam Chomsky in various arenas. When he took on Skinner’s theories long ago, it presaged his political work:

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19711230.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2223151/

Chomsky has published books with titles such as Manufacturing Consent and Necessary Illusions, titles lifted straight from the writings of the 20th century’s propagandists, and when I say propagandists, I mean it like Chomsky did, in showing how those were actually respectable public positions, with people such as Ed Bernays making no bones about the need to engineer the public’s mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Propaganda

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#bernays

I was reading an “ode” to Bernays just the other day:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=48749

I have written how Dennis’s encounters with Skinner ended his career before it started:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#skinner

But Dennis, in his own way, is trying to manipulate the herd into saving themselves, whereas people like Bernays and Skinner did their best to enslave them. I have come to reject the idea that people can be manipulated into saving themselves, or if they can be, I want no part of it. I am going after the full sentience route, or at least trying. I don’t think that we can out-herd the master shepherd, and I really don’t want to try.

The issue of our consciousness, if we really are a sentient species, and the like, is a very open question on the scientific front. White science has really only barely scratched the surface, but when their focus is purely materialistic, relating to a phenomenon that seems to have no material essence whatsoever (they have yet to put a mind in box, or on a test bench in a lab to be studied), they will be playing a small game. It is OK that it is a small game, but it would be nice if they admitted it, instead of pretending that they are onto the big game. When people such as Skinner and Bernays played the games that they did, the mind was simply some technical problem that engineering would solve.

The thesis of Manufacturing Consent is really unchallenged, as far as I have seen, and I have looked:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#manufacturing

Stuff like Sophal Ear’s work just does not cut it.

On my journey and my state of mind, we probably all think that being in our own minds is a trip, and it really is. Human consciousness is a miracle. Any consciousness in any life at all is a miracle. You can’t study biology, evolution, physics, and the like, in any depth at all, to come away with a sense of awe that any of this exists. But it does. The mystical writings of the greatest physicists are really something to ponder:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#mystical

Schrödinger might have been the most mystical among them, and his book What is Life? led directly to the discovery of DNA’s double-helix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_Life%3F

Consciousness, matter, energy – these are the fundamental questions. What is any of it?

I keep referring to those overgrown Boy Scouts and their unbelievable journeys:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

But none of them ended up angry and bitter. All were sobered, with their lives often wrecked, but they were all after bigger game than the goals that most people seek. They sought to really do some good in the world, and when that becomes your goal, the stuff that makes people angry and bitter really is not applicable, because when people become angry and bitter, it is about their frustrated egos. People like Dennis, Brian O, and Mr. Professor were after soul-sized game, not the conventional “success” that most people measure their lives by. I am almost tempted to say that the slings and arrows that came their way did not harm them, but that is not true, either. It is just that they accepted those hazards as coming with the territory, although none of them would have really believed it when they set out. If what I survived was all about my ego and getting rich, that sure was a stupid way to go about it. I was playing a different game, so my reaction will not be like “normal” ones. I am still human with my issues, but I definitely march to a different drummer, and I am not complaining.

To kind of segue to Ol’ Roy’s comments:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=654212&viewfull=1#post654212

I did go through a meat grinder, but it really was nothing, not when compared to what Dennis has survived, and he is still at it, incredibly. He is the only person I know of who can meet these qualifications:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

and I meet most of them, but I am not asking anybody to meet any of those qualifications, but in order to join the choir, you will need to, first of all, sing, and this thread is full of singing. But the choir will not be comprised of anonymous members. That is not in alignment with what I have in mind for the choir. People can go start their own Choir of the Anonymous, with my blessings. I am doing something different.

But I want to finish this with something relating to the thread’s theme.

Yes, the so-called models of the mind today are conditioned on materialism (which is a scarcity-based ideology http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant), and once materialism dies its deserved death, the “models” of the mind will look little or nothing like what we see today. The science of consciousness is the greatest science of all, and today’s White Science has truly not even scratched the surface of it.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Hi Ilie,

Thank you for all those thoughts. This issue of how we are programmed and how we might learn to re-programme ourselves is a big one.

It is very easy for us to allow our worlds to become small without our realising it.

For those whose financial poverty has them enslaved to a routine of survival, the way in which their world is pressured to be confined is clear. But in wealthier segments of society it is easier for someone to believe they are free, because where survival instincts soften with their diminished necessity, endless avenues of choice seem to open up that appear to enlarge someone’s world (the kind of avenues that Edward Bernays understood.) There is, for that ‘safer’ person, an expanded variety available in education, retail, entertainment and pretty much every other outlet. This can provide the illusion that someone is experiencing more in their life than they really are. It requires greater vigilance on our parts. It reminds me of a summation I heard once, that (to paraphrase) over time wisdom was supplanted by knowledge, and then knowledge by information. To put it another way : "My hum is mostly below range... ...objecting to how the century is turning out. Where all is known and nothing understood." (From the novel Love, by Toni Morrison.)

You mentioned the ‘stage hypnotist’ which creates an interesting example because it ties in with the choices we constantly face of passive experience versus conscious creation, the puppet versus the puppeteer. We could take the example of the growing trend amidst young people at concerts to watch an entire performance through the video screen of their camera-phone, never once making actual eye contact with the performers. They are removing themselves from the full physical experience of interacting in the moment and they are processing their surrounds in an entirely new way. But is it a way that truly enlarges their world, deepens their experience and fully utilises their mind, body and spirit? Our mind, body and spirit activated in unison with all our senses provide a powerful receiver through which to process the world with our souls. If we choose to experience our lives in ways that remove us from the richness of what our mind, body and spirit are capable of perceiving, then however fancy the illusion of advancement is, we are reprogramming ourselves to bypass our natural gifts and are, in a blinded fumble, diluting our potential.

I watched with great sadness once as a performer took a dive off stage into the crowd. Instead of catching him (as you’d expect) the audience members allowed him to fall and could be seen filming him on their phones rather than asking if he was alright and helping him to his feet. The variety of ‘life-enhancing’ gadgetry at their fingertips had interfered with their natural instincts, rendering them less compassionate, and less responsible for their immediate world. Caught between the rough pressures of survival and the anaesthetising effects of technology, we’re reminded to cherish and nourish our souls with greater joy and renewed passion. To give as freely from our souls as Sandy describes. It was such a beautiful post, it did stir my soul. Thank you so much Sandy.

In our culture of computer technology the idea of ‘programming’ invites us to apply more tech’ vocabulary to how we function as people. It’s as if with technology we have created a world behind a mirror in which to explore ourselves, and now - as we face the enormous choice of whether it takes us forward or grinds us down - we can use its terminology to help us find our way back home, and/or integrate our technological experiences with more awareness :) It reminds me of something Terrence McKenna said :

“When you shed the cultural operating system then essentially you stand naked before the inspection of your own psyche. Desmond Morris called it ‘the naked ape,’ and it’s from that position, a position outside the cultural operating system, that we can begin to ask real questions about ‘what does it mean to be human? What kind of circumstance are we caught in, and what kind of structures, if any, can we put in place to assuage the pain and accentuate the glory and the wonder...?’ ” He goes on to describe how, because of his extensive travels between different countries’ cultures, he gets the ‘jolting experience’ of changing his operating system frequently, and then adds... “If you are a positivist, if you’re running Positivism 4.0, you can’t support UFOs... If on the other hand you’re running Urantia Book 5.1 as you’re operating system, UFOs and a number of other things can get in through the door.” Audio source: http://youtu.be/9c8an2XZ3MU

If we want to re-programme our way of viewing the world there is no substitute for experience. When our inner-world grows tired we can dive into new physical or external challenges, and when what’s available to us externally ‘appears’ to become mere repetition we can return to our inner work, and so it goes. What’s important is to keep it flowing. Whenever I feel mired in doubt and too hesitant to move, I know that therein lies the problem; I must rejuvenate my creativity and seek challenges that can sweep new energies through my little world. And when it comes to reconfiguring our worlds the way we would like them to be, I’m reminded of this story...

A young tribe member approaches the tribal medicine man and says to him,

“I have a question. It feels as though there are two wolves inside my soul. One is made of darkness and the other is of the light. They are battling one another for control. It feels as though they are in a fight to the death. Tell me, which one will survive?”

And the medicine man replies:

“The one that you feed.”

The last century has seen a steep shift in our technological and cultural evolution. Perhaps we now have a choice, having learned what we do and don’t like about its influence, to return to our inner technology a little wiser. Perhaps we are in a unique place where we can utilise technology’s benefits to lift us out of survival mode and explore the cosmos, whilst also reducing the negative impact our exploratory and creative natures will have on earth’s environment. Even as a loving free-energy world sees us become less dependent on external technology, for as long as I’m incarnate in a body, I can count any number of experiences that are more enjoyable when experienced physically, rather than just psychically. To travel physically around the world and feel the grass beneath my feet, or to hear the subtle frequencies of bliss and other emotions in someone’s laughter when I’ve been able to travel to be with them, rather than merely speak on the phone. A responsible application of free energy means we can continue to enjoy these things, and our general creativity, but without plundering the planet to facilitate it.

If we are going to learn how to travel the stars and be sustained by sunlight rather than the food we are used to, we do need to transcend our survival mode first. With free-energy the easing of the burdens that hold us back makes the option of self-sustenance and psychic development a more realistic pursuit for billions more people around the world. Imagine, not just 30,000 Yogis with an understanding of how to sustain a harmony that encircles and heals our planet, but billions of people exchanging a vitality and abundance of light. I love to envisage the free energy world that helps us do just that. I can see there are pitfalls to be mindful and consistently aware of; but the beautiful leaps and changes in our world arise from the places in us that know how to hold and feel a vision of something greater. That of our truest and most loving potential.

:grouphug:


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29.03.13 (After Ilie’s, Sandy’s and Titanium’s thanks were made)


...I can imagine that Wade does have to make a conscious effort to hold a positive vision for the future having been through the meat grinder. It's really amazing he is not resentful and bitter. But he definitely sees this word in very different shades and colors than most of us do. I can only hope his efforts will get through our own beliefs systems and plant some seeds there...

I read your post again today Ilie and that part stayed with me. I was walking amidst people yesterday, struck by the twists and turns of fate that were carried on their faces and mapped in their eyes. Each one so different, but all of them in close proximity, sweeping through and between one another’s energy fields. I was reminded of a woman I heard about once. She was a concentration camp survivor. She had been encouraged many years later to write her autobiography. Very sadly, her experience of people’s betrayal during the consequent, surrounding events left her with additional scars, and drew her into an even more reclusive life, with the feeling that people simply could not be depended upon. I never came across a follow-up to her story. I hope that she found peace that was able to heal her. Dark and rare experiences can isolate their carriers to such a powerful degree it can be hard to find others who understand from the depths of their own experience. Truly I think Wade’s work has sewn some wonderful seeds, many of which flourish quietly in numerous souls, many of whom may never join this forum or make their presence known. Wade, Thank you for sharing so much with us. Good work is being done.

[Ilie Pandia]

Today I've listened to some "free energy activists" and I was amused by this saying:

"Oh.. Free Energy would save our economy! Would create more jobs! Would end our reliance on oil!" (of course it was an American speaking :)).

So it was the nationalistic flavor shining through, but what struck me most was the speaker seeing Free Energy as "just improving my niche in hell". They really did not think very deeply about it, at all. So deeply locked into the scarcity paradigm...

Free Energy will NOT (I repeat will NOT) save our economy (or the US economy). There will be no economy to save! "The economy" (as we think of it today, the accounting game) would make absolutely no sense once Free Energy gets out. US will not return to being the "greatest nation on the Planet" once they have Free Energy. That nationalistic view will again be blown to pieces.

The advent of Free Energy is "the event!". It is like nothing that ever happened in human history before. The world of Free Energy we can barely imagine (and it's obvious most cannot go past their jobs or electricity bills). The abundance world will be so, so different from today! Forget the economy... it does not matter one bit... And forget trying to get an "edge" over the communists, over the Arab world, over the Russians and what have you... This is not how this stuff works...

I really don't understand, why is it so hard to follow through on this Free Energy thought? Why get stuck at the "save the economy level"? The only answer I can come with is that people do not get it, that energy runs the show! Absolutely and everywhere!

When I've started looking into Free Energy I had the following train of thoughts:

1) I'll get rich pretty fast!
2) Nah,... I'll get killed before I get rich, since I would upset the energy cartel.
3) So then, I'll simply become free, because if I have energy, I will not longer need any kind of money.

I don't consider the above to be very advanced thinking, but at least I got it pretty quickly that Energy is what I need and not money. Perhaps a slight advantage that I had was that I know about "energy conversion". So I knew that if I have energy I can convert that to: electricity, heat and mechanical work! And that's pretty much all you need and it's doable today, with "White Science" tech, as long as you have the energy to power it.

So if it's a message that I could broadcast into people minds today is: "It's all about energy folks! All others theories and models are illusions and even those are power by energy since you require energy to even dream up or fake stuff"

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

When I see you write stuff like that, I have real hope that the choir will form, and you are kind of getting at the root of what I am doing.

Again, I started out at Level 0:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

and went almost straight to Level 10, because of whom I was with when we started thinking in terms of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

Very early on, the mind-boggling nature of FE became evident to me, and even to Dennis, but he was trying his populist route of making it happen. While I have nothing but the utmost respect for Dennis, who is the greatest person that I will probably ever meet, he was trying to reach people on the “save on your energy bills”, “get rich,” “Patriot,” “Christian” angle of FE, and we attracted Godzilla’s attention almost immediately:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

although he was surely watching what happened in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

and one of his assets helped take down the Seattle operation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

so he might have had more to do with the Seattle experience than was evident, but we will probably never know.

However, very early on, as I saw the many reactions to the idea of FE, it was evident that nobody was even beginning to see the big picture, as greed and fear took over. Even today, I get FE activists who challenge me on the reality of the billion dollar bribe:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

the reality of what happened to us, and so on. The lies repeated by newbies like Foster’s crew:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=633801&viewfull=1#post633801

are just par for the course. Even somebody like Steven Greer has had a hard time understanding the radical shift that FE will necessarily bring to the world. I have even seen him wave the American flag. I am the only American FE activist who has ever written anything like this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

Almost nobody in the field was even hinting at the paradigm shift that FE would mean, and that is a big reason why I finally went my own way with this stuff, and don’t even want to interact with the FE community much, as they are in arrested development, at the scientist-tinkerer-capitalist-"activist" stage, staging meetings at grocery stores to talk up saving energy bills and making America great again. Somebody had to at least start taking the conversation to the level where the situation could begin to be comprehended at the paradigmatic level. Because when enough people can do that, all the pettiness, greed, and other small-ball reactions to the idea of FE will hopefully be seen as not only primitive, but people will keep thinking at the paradigmatic level, even if somebody like Dennis is not around. With Dennis, he was meeting people at the business opportunity and other mundane, scarcity-based levels, and when he got wiped out, the people went back to watching TV.

I slowly realized that not only was Dennis not interacting with the right people, but the conversation was not one conducive to people beginning to get it. There was a mutual reinforcement thing happening, where the entire exchange was getting dumbed down into saving on energy bills, making money, and being a “good Christian.” I thought that somewhere on the planet, the high level conversation needs to be started, and that is what I am attempting to do. Even at Avalon, with me doing this for more than two years, I still get the sense that only you and a few others even have an inkling of what I am writing about. Well, you, me, a few others, and Godzilla. Godzilla gets it more than almost anybody else does. That is why offering a billion dollars for us to go away was a pittance to pay for the game he is playing. He knows how totally disruptive FE will be. He probably does not see the heaven on Earth aspect of it, except fleetingly, but all he can see is losing his power. Even the dissidents in Godzilla’s organization who gave a friend this show:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

probably do not see the big picture. When I say that love and FE are joined at the hip, I mean it on several levels, and I have almost never met anybody who understands anything more than the most rudimentary level of it. If people get past knee-jerk denial or fear, they try to fit FE into the New Age flavor of the day, or the conspiracist flavor of the day, or the “activist” flavor of the day, make it into a business opportunity, and so on. They are still trying to pour the new wine into the old skins. FE is like nothing that has ever graced this planet. I can sympathize with people who think that humanity is not ready for abundance, or does not deserve it, or cannot be trusted with it, but that is fear talking.

There needs to be at least one conversation on Earth that deals with FE and what can come with it at the paradigmatic level, and that is what I am setting out to do. When I saw the post that you just made, my response was that I see at least one person chasing after those high-level understandings. You may think that you do not have a high-level understanding, and that it was just what you realized after thinking about FE for a little while (with maybe a little help from me :) ), but I have virtually never met anybody who evidenced the level of understanding that was in that post that you just made. I am just hoping that you are not all that rare. We will see. :)

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

I'm glad Wade made a reference to this thread from his own, which I saw today. I often get on Avalon with a time limit and I plan to review a couple of threads and then get off quickly before I become fascinated with more topics, as I just have so much to do on a precious day off.

I am not as expressive as those who post on this topic, but I follow. I have been wringing my hands seeing this coming for decades. The "bad" being the drive for fuel...when in India many years ago I understood why the sacred cows (who are bone racks and eat garbage people sweep from their front doors) are sacred. The only fuel most people have is the dung of the cows. I saw housewives streaking from their dwellings in a race for a blob of cow pie that had just been dropped in the street, and fighting over it.

I saw stacks of drying cow dung in the back yards of restaurants - and realized this is IT. The starved, wandering sacred cow, foraging in its urban jungle.

The "good" was only in science fiction. While fascinated by the stories, the lives of the science fictionals were possible only because of the energy systems they enjoyed, or fought for, or how they could fold space, etc., etc.

The "ugly" was realizing that FE exists, progress could go way beyond electric cars, and a person who had designed one of them was purportedly shot while walking down the street one day ( a personal story of an acquaintance).

Then came the internet and complete overwhelm from the deluge of information, trying to sort out the disinfo...and not being able to with scientific topics, but having a keen sense when the spiritual or metaphysical overlapped. And weeding out the many authors/systems/meta-physicians down to a very few who seem worth the time.

After reading "The Battle For Your Mind" by William Sargant - www.ishk.com/battle_for_the_mind.pdf - if anyone wants to read - another jaw dropping event at realizing how easily the mind state is altered - by the simplest of repeated rhythms, cord progressions, television commercial lines, NLP. Understanding that our minds are really not our own, unless we know how to clear them, quiet them, feed them, and a la Wade, get out for a hike and get recharged with glorious nature.

Then came the Camelot interviews and O.M.G. it's worse than I thought. You must shut out a lot to raise a child, deal with public school (a hair-raising experience), put food on the table, and ignore the yearning for one's own continuing education. Not that there aren't rewards nurturing and supporting to one's best ability.

Sandy I have never had your experiences. I was a counsellor for a few years. The system I chose was supposedly more spiritual than the mainstream therapies, yet I came to find it hollow and quit. I read up on the more current fads and trends, the deceptions, the battles for the minds, and again overwhelmed myself. A bad habit of mine.

Getting into the past decade...a friend heard Steven Greer speak locally. The focus was supposed to be the UFO/ET issue, but what the friend came away with and related to me was "the powers that be are in real trouble if we don't need fossil fuels any more. The countries with the highest populations will be the most powerful and we're toast, we'll be overrun". Because everyone is hostage to the fuel brokers.

Yet, transforming that possibility into a reality of having FE, no country would have any reason to overrun another because there will be nothing to "get". Everyone will have. It seemed like Greer's fear was how can this transformation be managed, because it's inevitable. Again, this is years ago and things have happened since. Mostly in the "bad" category.

How the materials used in our electronic devices are mined is a horror story, as well as the lessor-but-evil sweat shop situations for our clothing etc.

I have only repeated in this post what's been said many times, and I'm not sure this post is useful. And I've used up my Avalon time - and I'll probably come back later and delete. It's only my personal experiences and it's nice to connect, as no one around me wants to hear any of this.

I'm not singing, I can't express from my soul right now.

As to our actual sentience - I'm watching the news footage of the folks wrapped in fake gorilla fur raising a baby one, hoping that one of the moms in the zoo will accept it. Very uplifting.

Yet, I'm hoping that the zoo system is an activity that will be dropped when we have the FE to quietly travel and observe any species in their home habitats, blissfully oblivious of humans. O.K. I may have sung a note there. Warmest regards all.

[Wade Frazier]

CdnSirian: Please don't delete that! It is important.

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

CdnSirian’s wonderful post provides several different ways to relate to it, but I will just take a couple for now. One is using cow pies for fuel. As I have written, my grandparents grew up on homesteads in Kansas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

and while they grew up after the bison herds had been exterminated, my grandfather’s ancestors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn145

burned “buffalo chips” for fuel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_chip#Variants

and I heard plenty of buffalo chip jokes while growing up. Burning buffalo chips, or fighting over cow pies, is quite impoverished. Mining kerogen is not quite at the buffalo chip level, but is definitely heading in that direction. I don’t have the time today to draw a chart, but this one may provide a hint:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

Burning manure for fuel is down there at or below the subsistence agricultural level. Places like India are almost in categories by themselves, and the problems there have a great deal to do with their colonial history. Two hundred years of oppression sets dynamics in motion that take a long time to play themselves out. India has not had access to the energy needed to industrialize, and the demographic transition that comes to industrial peoples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition#Stage_Three

has come fitfully to nations such as India. But to CdnSirian’s point about how nations won’t overrun each other if they all had FE, I want to add a radical view here, on what becomes obsolete: nations.

Territoriality is primarily an energy game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)

and geographic political boundaries are nothing more than ape territoriality writ large. When nobody is trying to fight off competitors for energy-based resources, and elites are no longer milking the system to accrue economic benefits in a world of scarcity, geographical political boundaries will become increasingly meaningless. The first reaction that almost everybody who encounters this idea has is fear. But that is a projection of our current scarcity-based reality onto a situation of abundance, kind of begging the question. Not far along the abundance curve, the idea of possessions begins to become obsolete. John Lennon wondered if we could even imagine a world without possessions. In a world of abundance, that idea becomes viable. The very idea of theft begins to become obsolete. As I have stated before, the idea of right and wrong starts becoming obsolete, as those ideas were initially based on survival, when the margin of error was thin and a mistake could mean starvation and other privations.

A lot begins to become obsolete when abundance reigns. Some is obvious, but a lot is very subtle, and many features of modern civilization that we take for granted, or call “human nature,” become obsolete with abundance. Violating another person, which is always about taking something from him/her, will start becoming seen as highly primitive, such as slavery and other relics of history.

Time for bed after my long day.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I see nations as a projection of possession (ownership): "This is my county!!"

On a lower level we have the town: "This is my town!" (or "my neighborhood!")

Going even lower we have families: "This is my family!"

And it probably boils down to: "This is my stuff" (my house, my car, my room, my money... etc).

PS: Yes, I believe the current "family unit" is scarcity based and will become obsolete or at least radically transformed in an Abundant world.

Marriage today, is mostly about being energy efficient and does not have much to do with love. I understand why that may not be very palatable for married couples, but ask yourself this: if you had access to all the resources you need (financial and otherwise) would it still make sense for you to marry? How would being married enrich your love for one another?

Moving together means expenses get divided by two. You no longer spend money to see each other (since you now live in the same house). Also moving together and getting married makes sure you "take ownership" of the other person. They become "yours" now! And you become theirs (and that somehow "feels good" - at least for a while...). I think there are even laws to make sure this bond is not broken :).

And next we have families. In the past a large family meant a larger workforce and so a better chance to live through the harsh times. Today I see people around me, making children as an "extension of themselves". "This child is MY creation", "I did this this!", "Whatever I failed MY child will do". Obviously there are exceptions. And I believe most parent do love their children, but they are deeply programed in scarcity and that reflects in the way they grown and care for "the little ones".

Now, I am not saying that couples should not move together, or that marriage should be abolished, or that we should no longer have kids! What I am saying is that, in abundant world, much of the reasons and pressures behind those will go away. And so moving together or getting married will no longer be about energy efficiency and it will have a very different flavor. Also ownership will go away. And as for having children, I suspect "who's your mom and dad" will no longer matter as much (if at all!). The child is another human being worthy of all the love and care than any other human being enjoys and that's that.

A clarification. I don't have any children, so I may talk bollocks here. I am told that there is a special connection formed between a child and his parents (especially the mother). That may be so, but my point is, in an abundant world is perfectly safe and enjoyable to "bond" with any child, regardless if the child has your DNA on not... Perhaps some foster parents can understand this better. Why limit your love to one person when you can love everybody :)?

[Wade Frazier]

Damn Ilie!

I was just about to go to bed, and I saw your post, jumped into bed, then had to get back up to write this. :)

To take your line of thought further, what also will become obsolete with abundance is race. I don’t mean racism, but race itself. All of the races are the result of the process that leads to speciation, which comes from geographical isolation and “inbreeding.” We have already seen that with Japanese women, when they get Western levels of calories and nutrients, they grow as big as Western women.

When people will no longer be geographically-bound, and the institution of marriage becomes something very different than we have today (and on that score, the USA is leading the way in ways, which is a result of how relatively rich we are), they will be reproducing with other races at will, and the genetic differences that we call race will gradually disappear. I read some channeled material long ago that said that on the USA’s West Coast the new race of humanity will appear, and it will have golden skin. There was a spiritual component to that change, but it is evident that it will also be a genetic change reflecting a different reproductive milieu. All races will gradually disappear, as all races will be able to mate with each other. This is probably an inevitable outcome of abundance, and it is going to be a new frontier for humanity, ideologically. Just as gender has been loaded with all manner of charged meaning that was really political-economic in nature, so has race been loaded up, big time. I would imagine that most people on Earth do not like the idea of race going away, but if they really thought deeply about it, their objections are really pretty petty.

OK, now I am going to bed. :)

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

CdnSirian – thank you for your post. It was nourishing to read. The part about Greer (or any of us) fearing the transition hits on a huge point. I see this and Wade’s thread as a part of that transition; contributing to the exploratory work that helps build the foundations. Imagining what we want helps us create where we’re going. And the more we look at how our economic infrastructure works, and the history of why it works that way, the more we can look at ways to make the transition smoothly, with less fear – rather than taking someone else’s word for it (someone with their own agenda) that it can’t be done.

It can. And the more people support the exploration of how, the more soundly we can lay the path.

:grouphug:

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Ilie, Post 461:

“Marriage today, is mostly about being energy efficient and does not have much to do with love. I understand why that may not be very palatable for married couples, but ask yourself this: if you had access to all the resources you need (financial and otherwise) would it still make sense for you to marry? How would being married enrich your love for one another?...”

“...In the past a large family meant a larger workforce and so a better chance to live through the harsh times. Today I see people around me, making children as an "extension of themselves". "This child is MY creation", "I did this this!", "Whatever I failed MY child will do". Obviously there are exceptions. And I believe most parent do love their children, but they are deeply programed in scarcity and that reflects in the way they grown and care for "the little ones".”

“I am told that there is a special connection formed between a child and his parents (especially the mother). That may be so, but my point is, in an abundant world is perfectly safe and enjoyable to "bond" with any child, regardless if the child has your DNA on not...”

When I look around I see similar factors at play Ilie. Without financial pressures (rooted in energy scarcity) a lot of unhealthy marriages would either break up or find it far easier to mend. And if a home is filled with the love of people who choose willingly, gladly, to be there, then the children under that roof will undoubtedly benefit, accessing even greater, warmer spiritual potential. Many people imbue their children with ambitions unconsciously. But an abundant world means there is less for a parent to prove, and more cultural support for parenting consciously. It would truly be a blessing.

To develop your last point - In an abundant world every orphaned or abandoned child could be cared for in a loving home, since more willing and caring parents would be able to adopt/house/nurture those children without it being a financial burden. Many who work closely with children know what it means to care for those beyond their own family. Currently, some teachers see more of a child than the child sees of their own parents. In a world of abundance parents would not be separated from the children because work demanded it, but all children whose parents preferred not to raise them closely would have access to far more potential nurturers and facilities (ones far more likely to be run by people who were there purely because they cared.) The benefit of people doing jobs they choose out of love rather than survival feels endless.

In terms of the scarcity programming, a lot of women in western societies feel overwhelmed with a new born child. Separated by distance and lack of money from legitimate community. Many spend most of their time alone with the children, ending up drained by both the lack of available support and also the guilt that accompanies the resentment they might feel. When I see footage of African tribal villages, the children are able to step outside their homes and entertain each other within view of all the mothers. The burden in that sense, on any one mother, is considerably less. And a warm climate obviously helps. But in a world of abundant energy you could have the best of both worlds. Fathers could be around their families more, as I touched on in post 398, and we could all travel far more easily and faster to those we care about, to offer and find support. Children would not have to labour for survival – one of the most shameful aspects of our civilisation. But any tribal communities that wish to remain living close to the land, without a space-pod for a mobile home, could have faster access to an abundant supply of energy and clean water.

Obviously many of us can and do build solid communities now, regardless of finance. But my point is that an abundance of energy makes it easier, and creates new ways to enjoy those communities. In a world of true abundance, blessed with equal education/opportunities available to all, and the existence of space travel, it would be interesting to discover how many would choose to live the hut life. The world where we have a choice is one worth working for. In that astonishing world, with truly beneficial (rather than superfluous) technologies, we are safer to travel as we wish, share our resources with those who cross our paths, and sleep well beneath the stars. Many of us may become eternal travelers.

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Wade’s response to Ilie, Post 462:

“...To take your line of thought further, what also will become obsolete with abundance is race...

...This is probably an inevitable outcome of abundance, and it is going to be a new frontier for humanity, ideologically. Just as gender has been loaded with all manner of charged meaning that was really political-economic in nature, so has race been loaded up, big time.”

That point really got me thinking.

It’s true I think a lot of people would be fearful of that possibility. In our world of scarcity the purity of our racial inheritance, or the ideal of that ‘purity’ in our minds, can be one of the things we cling to - to give us great comfort, joy, and a sense of belonging. It goes deep. The image of a native tribe around the campfire, or generations gathered round the family dinner table sharing stories over bowls of grandmother’s soup. Those are places filled with love and belonging; a sense of people on your side. In a world wrecked with war and poverty, where entire peoples can be torn from their ancestral homes, we cherish these living, breathing symbols of our roots with a fierce defence. (Even other people’s cultures can take on archetypal power in our heads; the purity of a country’s art or spiritual traditions offering sustenance to people who feel a lack of it from their own inheritance.)

But a world of abundance is one that makes the vast majority of our reasons for supporting/participating in war obsolete. It makes poverty obsolete. It eventually, in deeply positive and uplifting ways, makes ‘clinging’ to our differences defensively seem unnecessary and even a hindrance to our growing sense of adventure and appreciation of those around us. As our planet enters a new era of abundance and sees the old burdens we’ve carried for so long diminish, as we watch the seeds of trust, freedom and generosity blossom through generations, we will find new ways to gain nourishment from our history and our roots. New ways to understand and to honour them.

To anyone who is fearful, maybe it’s worth reiterating that this is something that will take place gradually over a long period of time. It’s not a reason to fear free energy or its dissolving of boundaries. Younger generations have found love outside of their own races, cultures and traditions despite the fears their older relatives may have harboured about the ‘change.’ Some of those younger individuals fought hard to find the courage to refuse an arranged marriage, and are deeply grateful that the technology of their age afforded them the education and the capacity to travel in order for them to find a partner that resonated with their soul, and not simply their economic needs. They have made homes built on a foundation of love and freedom.

My own roots are mixed in nationality, race and religion on both sides. It’s often made me feel lucky, because it naturally puts me in a position to see the futility of racism, nationalism or feelings of superiority based on religion. To pick a side to rally with would only put me in conflict with another part of my ‘self.’ Or more accurately, my heritage. There is undoubtedly the philosophy, the truth, that as a soul connected to you and to all through this universe if I hurt you I am only hurting myself. But when the ‘sides’ so many people fight for are inextricably mixed inside your own body, your own history, you are far more readily inclined to see the futility of aggression.

In a world of abundance no one will be forced to partner with someone they don’t choose. But more people will be free to travel and encounter more souls, more ways of viewing the world, and increase their exposure to more people they resonate with in the most joyous, most uplifting and deepest ways.

Wonderful.


[I’m sorry if I take too many words to say these things. If it’s any consolation this post was much longer before I whittled it down]

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Melinda:

Race won’t go away overnight, but in a world of abundance, it will go away. The geographic isolation that gave rise to the races will disappear. There will also likely be a lingua franca, and it probably won’t be English. People may speak their mother tongue for some generations, but eventually everybody will speak a common tongue. There will be universal translators in the meantime, but language and racial barriers will not only come down, but race will eventually vanish as a concept. People will likely still come in different shapes and sizes, but it won’t mean much. Obesity and starvation will both vanish in their time. All religions will be relegated to those quaint times when fear ruled. I’ll bet the people in this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

don’t spend even five minutes a day on their appearance. The color of their skin, eyes, and hair just don’t matter. When people are being soul-centric, stuff like appearance and fashion become meaningless. What we call “culture” is generally the scarcity-based adaptive dysfunction of a locality. When abundance comes calling, so much that seemed so important will simply evaporate. And yes, those who want to spend hours in front of the mirror, or want to revel in their scarcity-based heritage, will be free to do so, but those around them won’t be too interested in that, not when there is a galaxy to explore, love to be had, and high sentience to share. Health will be important - physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually - and perfect health will be the most basic thing that all have in common, and in the rare case when somebody needs some help, it will be there in an instant. And, of course, money and measuring economic exchange will be long gone by that time.

A lot that seems so necessary and important today will be put aside, like a boy who outgrows his toys. It won’t be forced on anybody, but the toys will eventually be discarded. Put into a museum, maybe, as a relic of primitive times, but they won’t be used again.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

Hi:

CdnSirian’s wonderful post provides several different ways to relate to it, but I will just take a couple for now. One is using cow pies for fuel. As I have written, my grandparents grew up on homesteads in Kansas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

and while they grew up after the bison herds had been exterminated, my grandfather’s ancestors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn145

burned “buffalo chips” for fuel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_chip#Variants

and I heard plenty of buffalo chip jokes while growing up. Burning buffalo chips, or fighting over cow pies, is quite impoverished. Mining kerogen is not quite at the buffalo chip level, but is definitely heading in that direction. I don’t have the time today to draw a chart, but this one may provide a hint:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

Burning manure for fuel is down there at or below the subsistence agricultural level. Places like India are almost in categories by themselves, and the problems there have a great deal to do with their colonial history. Two hundred years of oppression sets dynamics in motion that take a long time to play themselves out. India has not had access to the energy needed to industrialize, and the demographic transition that comes to industrial peoples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition#Stage_Three

has come fitfully to nations such as India. But to CdnSirian’s point about how nations won’t overrun each other if they all had FE, I want to add a radical view here, on what becomes obsolete: nations.

Territoriality is primarily an energy game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)

and geographic political boundaries are nothing more than ape territoriality writ large. When nobody is trying to fight off competitors for energy-based resources, and elites are no longer milking the system to accrue economic benefits in a world of scarcity, geographical political boundaries will become increasingly meaningless. The first reaction that almost everybody who encounters this idea has is fear. But that is a projection of our current scarcity-based reality onto a situation of abundance, kind of begging the question. Not far along the abundance curve, the idea of possessions begins to become obsolete. John Lennon wondered if we could even imagine a world without possessions. In a world of abundance, that idea becomes viable. The very idea of theft begins to become obsolete. As I have stated before, the idea of right and wrong starts becoming obsolete, as those ideas were initially based on survival, when the margin of error was thin and a mistake could mean starvation and other privations.

A lot begins to become obsolete when abundance reigns. Some is obvious, but a lot is very subtle, and many features of modern civilization that we take for granted, or call “human nature,” become obsolete with abundance. Violating another person, which is always about taking something from him/her, will start becoming seen as highly primitive, such as slavery and other relics of history.

Time for bed after my long day.

Best,

Wade

Re nations: I've actually forgotten that when growing up in the arts, I experienced that "cultural exchanges" by-passed the Cold War rules and allowed passage for teachers and performers that were denied intellectuals and business persons. (I realize it's all the same crowd up at the top but I'm referring to us, the folks in the rear orchestra seats or above)...

As a student I got to observe the "no borders" effect and always thought how wonderful it would be to have a world devoid of political nations, yet well preserved in regional culture. I was aware that artists were considered a low form of trade or diplomacy, and otherwise barely tolerated. More recently described as parasites for using tax payer money.

(Looking at the corporate controlled trade treaties, the "standardization" treaties - let's all call vitamins drugs because it's unfair trade otherwise - yes it would be wonderful to see all of that obsolete. Without scarcity and engineered foods, we probably won't need the vitamins so much anyway.

We will see the huge hospital systems cutting back to community bone-setting facilities (kids will always climb trees, I hope), midwifery birthing centers and more of that ilk).

Wade thanks for triggering my memory.

[CdnSirian]

In a response to this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=663648&viewfull=1#post663648

"So, when part of the process is secret" - Wade ...re food production, or manufacturing in general, let's say...and also in response to the distance between the source and the consumer...

and also responding to: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=663512&viewfull=1#post663512...

"Only then it dawned on me how much disconnected "the city people" are from the real world! " -Ilie



2 issues in the following poem - 1.the "secret" origin of rare minerals that make our electronics work - from secret mine to your ear or game controller...

2. the issue of sex trafficking in the "civilized" world...
and (while these may have been mentioned before) their becoming obsolete in a Heaven On Earth world.


HOW MUCH MUST SHE STORM



I grind another two scoops of coffee beans

Organic, fair trade. I will change the world.

And I will write all day. I am green, no paper for me

Electronic, per the day, per the century.



But then…there are…those little boys…

In the Congolese mines, kidnapped, scratching for tantalum

Their sisters little girl sex slaves – just useless eaters – each

Strip mined by rogue militias; our gadgets buy their guns.



Disposable, like we throw tissues, our landfills swell

But those mass graves will degrade neatly, no one’s watching

(And where were their mothers when…)? Give me a break – Shot!

Put out of the way of progress, they’ve served their purpose.



Wounded, these mothers rage, screaming to the Earth and sky

Pounding on Her, they grind their faces in Her mud

Smeared with traces of Her precious metals, this is their death mask

Has She heard them? Has She rolled under their hidden graves,



On their behalf tilted an island or two? Rocked a nation awake?

Exhaled poison particles – clocking the plutonium footprint?

Carbon takes the back seat and the twisted guts of clouds

Whirlpool Her garbage disposal of our stuff.



What have we generated – ivy degreed pillars of society

Don’t ask our stolen mall-rat girls, their ages, in the sexting.

No walking the streets or risking a private club raid;

New world markets are facilitated by electronic auctions.



Instant and encrypted connections made, money transferred

Milk carton children upgraded and risk-managed,

The viewer sites virus protected. Circuits sealed with tantalum.

But – busted! Mother Inc. cracked our code.



Do their mothers know they buy or steal humans?

She’s been listening, watching. She’s willing to tilt,

Quake, tide, ice, meltdown, over-clock, super-size…

How much must She storm?



- Sanskrit Literary Arts Magazine V.43 UNC Charlotte 2012

This was inspired by articles written by Christopher Hitchins. Over ten years ago, he published an article about blood diamonds, long before there was a movie. He also wrote a follow up, a few years later, about child soldiers. (kidnapped and forced to kill their parents as a "cult" indoctrination).

The last article I read, before he died, was specifically about the kidnapping of children for the mining of rare earth minerals - like tantalum - for electronics like X Boxes and iPhones.

Imagine what an iPhone would cost if this mineral were mined with union paid miners? No, it is being mined for FREE.

With FE do we still need tantalum and like minerals to make these devices? I am hoping not.

If this post doesn't quite fit here, please remove it.

[mosquito]

..

I do not consider myself evil, quite the opposite in fact. Also I think that most of the humans are good people with very very few really "dark pathers". But being a good soul does not seem to be enough, because I am trapped in various layers of fear and conditioning that I need to shed before I can talk about integrity.

...

Ilie, "integrity" can mean almost anything one wishes it to mean. The mere fact that you have written of your fears and human imperfection in such an open and honest way tells me that you have a wealth of integrity.

Update (Having finished reading the last 2 pages) Ilie, you've raised a lot of thought provoking points here, as has Melinda.

The scarcity paradigm manifests itself in many ways, "economics", jobs, competition - the list is endless, as it's deeply embedded. The majority of people today see things in terms of economics because that's what's put out constantly via the media.

I think I'd go so far as to say that scarcity is THE paradigm, it's present in its' many forms in every country I've ever visited (30) and, like I said elsewhere last year, I believe it's now deeply encoded in our genes, as I've witnessed competitive behaviour traits in children far too young to have learned them from society. Another name for it would simply be "survival", we behave the way we do in order to suvive, it's been that way for aeons.

Free energy, accompanied by a dogma-free (religious dogma, "scientific" dogma) understanding of our origins and our place in the world would see us learning that we can all live here comfortably, without competition and conflict.

Ilie - I laud you for looking so deeply at yourself, this is something that everyone needs to do. And don't worry, I'm an abject coward when it comes to violence and confrontation, we can't all be heroes ! It's one of the areas I'm looking at in my life, and it requires delicate handling.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi CdnSirian:

You have Limor’s affliction, thinking that your posts are not worthy. We all have our good and bad days, but I have never found yours or Limor’s posts anything but thoughtful, and they are anything but disruptive. You are some of the best posters on my threads. My posts are flying off of my keyboard about as fast as I can think some days, and are certainly not essay material, but that is not really the point of a forum.

If you still have any doubts about it, I’ll make your post “relevant” right now. In poor nations, life is literally cheap. That infamous memo that Summers signed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#summers

has actually become a playbook:

http://www.counterpunch.org/1999/06/15/larry-summers-war-against-the-earth/

and that poem that you posted hints at the human and Earthly cost. As I wrote recently:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=662683&viewfull=1#post662683

and I have written on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=307019&viewfull=1#post307019

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=491738&viewfull=1#post491738

the kind of mining that we see today would become totally obsolete, from enslaving the poor to scratch after tantalum to the big, industrial mining operations ripping huge holes in the ground. Do we “need” all of those elements? Probably not as much with FE, as there is often an energy reason for using various elements. But even then, one nice asteroid has all the elements that humanity would ever really need. No need to rape Earth or humanity to get them. With FE and related technologies, the thin skin of Earth’s ecosphere, and the life forms that inhabit it, including humans, would literally be the last place in the solar system that we would want to mine to get our raw materials. And wherever we did mine would not be devastated, either. Mining devastation is all about energy scarcity, plain and simple. You are bringing up a subject that I have been meaning to write about, probably on the future Earth thread, within the next month. When I get that main narrative done, there are a few meaty posts that I plan to make before I dive into my essay, and mining and materials science will be the subject of one of them.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

In a response to this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=663648&viewfull=1#post663648

"So, when part of the process is secret" - Wade ...re food production, or manufacturing in general, let's say...and also in response to the distance between the source and the consumer...

and also responding to: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=663512&viewfull=1#post663512...

"Only then it dawned on me how much disconnected "the city people" are from the real world! " -Ilie ...



Re : The Bangladesh factory tragedy, taking place this week.

“Death toll passes 290 as staff describe how they were ordered to continue production despite raising concerns over huge cracks in the eight-storey structure”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/290-dead-as-high-street-fashion-chains-told-to-put-lives-before-profits-after-bangladeshi-factory-collapse-8585698.html

“Bangladesh factory collapse: Who really pays for our cheap clothes?...
...Seven hundred workers have died in factory collapses and fires in this very small region outside Dhaka alone in the last decade... ...As the demand for cheap clothing grows in the west, brands continue to look for ways to race to the bottom on prices, and sadly this involves cutting corners on health and safety...”
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/25/opinion/bangladesh-factory-collapse-opinion/index.html

Over 290 people have apparently died in a factory collapse in Bangladesh where clothing is manufactured for prominent clothing brands. I can’t find the words to describe how unbelievable it is that this can still happen with all the technology we have available on the planet. It is just one more story that drags to the surface the complete insanity of our current economic system. The one that puts profit before fundamental decency. Millions of people pressured and encouraged to put profit before safety, either for survival or financial gain.

We can’t change everybody’s scarcity-programming over night, but it seems to me that with an abundant supply of energy we can - far sooner than with current energy resources - free people from the work that machines can be doing instead, without threatening people’s survival. We can far more easily and safely demolish unsafe environments and build superior ones. And in the long term, with free-energy, more people will be freed to make choices based on their conscience rather than their survival, and the appeal that fashion holds as a form of expression to compensate for our lack of inner-security will gradually diminish.

I do see some aspects of fashion as an extension of our artistic spirit. It is an aspect of the way we explore our creativity at this stage, at this time, still. But while people are financially pressured to work in clothing factories when they would rather, in an ideal world, be doing something more enriching with their lives, there is something wrong with the picture. While customers are pressured to buy more new clothes to show that caring about their appearance ‘proves’ they care about themselves, and the price is people slaving in poor working conditions, there is something very wrong. While the environment is being additionally plundered to grow, manufacture and dispose of materials to supply this meme, there is something very wrong. But for anyone, anyone at all, to actually lose their life because other human beings succumbed to pressure to have more and more clothes, and other human beings were making money from it, is completely mind-numbing. Heart-breaking. It’s inexcusable.

For anyone who feels that signing a petition is better than not signing, there is one here :
"...Please take action now and call on Primark, Matalan and Mango to sign the Bangladesh Fire and Building Safety Agreement to prevent the future deaths of garment workers. It is such a simple action which would save so many lives. These disasters must not be allowed to continue..."
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/primarkjobs-mango-matalan-ensure-safety-for-workers-in-bangladesh-compensate-victims-of-building-collapse

John Pilger explored the bigger picture around this in his 2001 documentary The New Rulers of The World, where he visited Indonesia to highlight it’s impact there. But the same economic factors are obviously at play no matter where the sweatshops are :

”To examine the true effects of globalisation, Pilger travels to Indonesia - a country described by the World Bank as a model pupil until its globalised economy collapsed in 1998 - where high-street brands such as Nike, Adidas, Gap and Reebok are mass produced by cheap labour in 'sweatshops' and sold for up to 250 times the amount received by workers. He films secretly in one of the biggest sweatshops in the capital, Jakarta. Over footage of hundreds of mostly women and children in the camp, with its open sewers and unsafe water, Pilger reports that workers are paid the equivalent of 72p a day - about one American dollar - which is the legal minimum wage in Indonesia but acknowledged by that country’s own government as only just over half a living wage. Many children there were undernourished and prone to disease. While filming, Pilger himself caught dengue fever.”
http://johnpilger.com/videos/the-new-rulers-of-the-world

At one point the film reveals how clothing companies claim to be responsible by sending inspectors over periodically to monitor the conditions of the factories that supply them; but Pilger interviews anonymous factory workers who, amongst others issues, can be forced to work shifts of up to 36 hours with barely a break. They claim they are threatened by management that they will be punished if they dare to tell the truth and appeal to visiting inspectors:

John Pilger: “Do any of the people from the Gap company ever visit your factory?”
Anonymous worker: “Often.”
John Pilger: “Do they ever ask you about or investigate the working conditions, your working conditions?”
Anonymous worker: “Once that happened but the personnel section had already contacted the workers. You are not allowed to say anything wrong. It had to be what personnel told you.
John Pilger: “What they tell you to say.”
Anonymous worker: “For example, don’t mention the long shift overtime. Mainly you weren’t allowed to tell company secrets or give the company a bad name.”

You can see that part here, at around 9 minutes and 29 seconds in:
http://youtu.be/v3WbztsqScw?t=9m29s
But there is a better quality version of the full documentary on the page of Pilger’s site I linked to above.

We already have the technology to stop the tragedy that happened this week in Bangladesh from taking place. We already have the power, undeniably, to vote with our spending on what we consider acceptable. But an abundant supply of energy that ends our dependence on finite resources can completely change our economic structure, which is why researching and developing that new energy technology safely and publicly, to eventually make it available to all, is so important.

The free-energy world I envision is one where every man, woman and child is enabled to feed and house themselves to a safe and abundant standard, and travel freely and affordably. Where - as a result – no man, woman or child will be compelled to labour most of their lives in jobs that do not utilise their greatest potential, or pressured to labour at all in poor working conditions simply to survive and to satisfy others’ greed. The sooner the fallacy that such a vision ‘isn’t economically viable’ becomes obsolete, the better.

I’m sorry if I haven’t expressed any of this as well as it could have been done.

I write this for the people affected by what happened this week in Bangladesh, and I send my prayers for their families.

[Ilie Pandia]

Last week a pipe broke and flooded my apartment.

While waiting for the plumber to fix it, and getting really annoyed with the process, I had contemplated how this would be different in a Free Energy world...

Quite frankly, I believe broken pipes and plumbers will be obsolete! But even if that does not happen, something else will change: the attitude about "work" and what a "good solution is".

In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.

How would I have solved my problem in an abundant world.

At first, I had imagined I would have got a professional team to do the repair work, since money would no longer be an issue. But that was still scarcity thinking...

Next I thought I'd contact all the neighbors and plan together a major pipe upgrade with the latest technology available that will no longer break...

I was still thinking small... Because in an abundant world, as discussed, cities would become obsolete, so I would not have this problem in the first place!

But this is still a good example how scarcity shapes our world in subtle yet definite ways... How we do less than top quality work, because we need to be competitive, because there is only so much time in a day, because (quite frankly!) don't like what I do... and so on and so forth. The "price/quality" ratio would be meaningless in a Free Energy world. Less that top available quality, would make no sense...

And while looking at the pipes, I've also realized what an energy concentration machine The City really is. Providing water under pressure (hot and cold), continuously removing garbage and sewage waters from the basement, having the supermarket stores with filled shelves every day, providing heat or cooling for the inside of the apartment and so on... Cut the power for a few days in a city and you will end up a big pile of crap... quite literally, I am afraid.

I think that if you could peel away the city surface, you would be horrified to see what's under it...

All of that would go away once Energy will no longer be an issue. And all the "work" people would do, will be top quality and done only because they enjoy it! (In fact "work" would have a totally different meaning... closer to what we would call today "creative playing").

PS: I know that there are plumbers out there that love their job, and they do an amazing work with the limited resources they have. They usually tell you when and what will break next, because of the poor infrastructure. But so far, those are the exception, not the rule, and all this is due to scarcity thinking/conditioning.

[Muzz]

After spending the last 9 months up to my neck in DIY renovating an old house I have come to one realisation. Most of the tradesmen I encounter and try to pry information out of are extremely secretive about how to do anything. I suppose they have to be to protect their livelyhood in this scarcity based sytem. I did almost everything myself with google and a willingness to have a go at it. Saved me a fortune.

I have been wondering for a while now wouldn't it be better if the plumber came round and taught you how to fix it yourself, so you wouldn't need him again.

[ThePythonicCow]

In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.
That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working :).

[Ilie Pandia]

In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.
That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working :).

That's exactly what I had thought when I've reread my post :)

And to be fair to the plumber, I sometimes do the same. In the company I used to work for I was even asked directly by my boss to write such code as to make money from support as well... Scarcity goes deep! :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I am not sure that all plumbing would go away, but cities would largely disappear, and what we call plumbing today would look nothing like what “plumbing” would in an FE-based world. One thing that would happen would be great freedom that is simply not seen today, or really even imagined. The current 3-D printing craze gives us an inkling of what could be ahead, and I can see it going in several directions, and I am not sure any one would necessarily “prevail,” but all would have their place in certain situations. For starters, what would be considered today to be “elite” materials would become commonplace. The best stuff is energy-intensive to make, and when energy is not a limitation, materials that we can scarcely believe today would be commonplace. Godzilla’s Golden Hoard is filled with exotic materials. Flubber is not all that fictional.

So, any pipes would be made of stuff that would virtually last forever if we wanted it to, and all materials would be infinitely recyclable. And that would be just for starters. With FE, antigravity, and the advanced materials, which are all in Godzilla’s possession today, you could build a self-contained dwelling with very little human effort. Do you want to stick it on the Moon? Move it to Mars the next day? No problem. It would meet all human creature needs. Food, water, air – all creature comforts would be easily met. How big do you want it? That is one way it could go, and I would expect that at least some people will explore that kind of “lifestyle.” Because a person could travel across the planet in almost no time, the idea of “home” being one spot on Earth will probably quickly become obsolete. Do you want wake up in a rainforest, have lunch with some polar bears, and sleep on Mars? That will become unremarkable. Will some want to live in one spot on Earth for their daily lives? Some might, and that would be fine, but I think that it will quickly be seen as some anachronism like riding a horse to get around, having house servants, and killing chickens for food. Some might bounce around the solar system for a while, and then decide to kind of “settle down” on one spot of Earth for some time. A community would not be geographically bounded. Any person could get together with any other person, almost whenever they wanted to. The idea of getting up when the sun “rises,” and going to sleep when it is “night” may also become pretty anachronistic.

So, a “pipe” busts in your home/spaceship? It would likely never happen, but if it did, you would just build a new house and recycle the old one. Even put the entire home in the recycler/printer, and out comes the new and improved home, with the latest stuff in it. Same elements, just reconfigured. And if the specs call for a little more rhodium in it, no problem. More will be added from the element bank. If this seems too much like Star Trek, I am sorry, but I know that technologies very similar to what I am describing already exist on the planet, but we don’t get any while we keep giving our power away and sleeping.

With the ET connection, visiting other star systems will likely become commonplace.

“Hey Ilie, we are having a little get-together in the Pleiades next week, with a bunch of us coming from several different star systems to play with a new form of sentient being that came here from the Andromeda Galaxy. These ones can split their awareness into several different time streams, and can communicate with the beings in the different time streams at the same time, so that they can carry on a conversation across eons, although talking with the dinosaurs of our home planet is challenging. They want to try to teach some of us how to do it. Do you want to try it?”

“Well, Wade, I am currently about a thousand light years away, visiting a planet that wants to host our next inter-galactic forum, so I might be a little late. I will try to be on time, although time may not mean anything to our new friends. :) "

I am not sure how humor will work across the light years and galactic cultures, but finding out seems like fun.

Time to watch a little Star Trek. :)

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

VISAs will go obsolete as well! :) (that's a given with the disappearance of borders, but still I wanted to add it!)

[mosquito]

Ilie,
VISAs will go obsolete as well!

Boy oh boy am I waiting for that day. The continually shifting mass of rules and regulations (always involving MORE asinine bureaucracy and LESS freedom) in every country is one of the biggest stresses in my life at the moment.

Paul,
That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working

Whilst that may not be true of individual programmers, it most certainly is true of software development teams and corporations. Examples from my work history :

I co-wrote a customer course for the German side of a "large blue" IT corporation. Included in the package was a technical guide on how to do things. When we were delivering the course in the US, said corporation removed this guide from the course and repackaged it as a technical bulletin, with someone else named as the author (trying not to seethe over this !) and of course avalible to customers at a price.

During the same years, I was working as a technical consultant on a project in Switzerland. They had a requirement which I decided could be easily satisfied with an assembler program that took me about half a day to write. Satisfied customer. Unsatisfied sales representative, who accused me, to my boss, of being "commercially unaware" (perfectly true by the way, and I consider it to be a compliment) and I was repremanded for faling to take advantage of the customer's needs.

During the course of my last rat-race job, working for a large UK financial institution, I was implementing some quite large changes in accomodate chip-enabled cards. A requirement came in for a small mandated change to the way that VISA cards should be processed. Clearly this was something which could be absorbed into the current project, but when I suggested this all hell broke loose, as we would lose the chance to charge the customers. I did it anyway.

All through my career in IT I witnessed software being sold which created more problems than it solved, and which invariably needed to be "fixed", at a cost of course, or else it needed a companion product. For years I wondered .... "why don't they just do it properly ?"

The current economic and business model is frimly grounded in scarcity and fear, but half the problem is that its' adherents don't even realize it.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

It has been stated on this thread more than once, that with abundance, competition becomes obsolete, as competition only makes sense in a world of scarcity. In those two future worlds that Michael Roads visited long ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672115&viewfull=1#post672115

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

in the hellish one, competition reached its zenith, where everybody was everybody else’s adversary. In some ways, it was like the physical version of the “hell” that Max lived in:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#hell

In the heavenly world that Roads visited, competition would have been a meaningless concept. Any games or sports where there were winners and losers would have been as meaningless as today’s capitalistic imperative of capturing the markets and milking the “customers” in the name of profits.

But the point of this post is to stress how deeply baked the idea of scarcity is. The fossil record tells a story of all life in a death struggle, with arms races between the animals, in an eat-or-be-eaten fight to the finish. That was Darwin’s perspective, and the fossil record bears it out, as well as current-day studies of animal behavior, where male lions, gorillas, and chimpanzees readily kill infants that they did not father:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=490064&viewfull=1#post490064

Seth has said that those animals are only reflecting back to us human consciousness, but I can sympathize with a paleontologist who only sees arms races in the Cambrian fossil strata:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion#Arms_races_between_predators_and_prey

But the predator-prey dynamic is perhaps the most constant one in studying animals, whether today’s ecosystems or 500-million-year-old fossils. Why? Energy scarcity. Only so much sunlight hits Earth, only so much is captured by photosynthesis, and there is only so much room on Earth’s surface. So the idea of competition, predator and prey, and so on is highly evident in human interaction, as well as in the ecosystems. I doubt that the fossil record will change if humanity learns to live abundantly, showing a bunch of Disney creatures living and dying over the past 500 million years. But when humanity learns to live abundantly, and energy abundance will necessarily be the cornerstone of it, what might the impact on Earth’s life be? Ilie and I bantered a little on that topic recently:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=673081&viewfull=1#post673081

but I think it will be a key area of interest if we can turn the corner as a species, and I have my doubts that predation existed much at all in that heavenly world. If so, that would mean that humanity literally rose above its nature, and brought nature with it. We are the seemingly sentient, social animal, and who is to say what our potential is? An animal like us has never been seen before on this planet. Can predation become obsolete? How about grazing in a way that harms the plants? This thread of thought can seem way out there, but if we turn the corner as a species, I think that some deeply baked assumptions will be up for reconsideration, reinforced by billions of years of evolution.

Time for chores.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Most of my life I've been living in fear. I still do, but at least now I am aware of it :).

This may not be everyone's "reality" but from ever since I can remember, I had to be "the best", "to be ambitious", "to succeed", "to defeat others so I can be the victor". Reading Wade's post above it's pretty clear now that all this is a so called "civilized" version of "eat or be eaten" mentality, or in other words scarcity programming. And, looking around me, it made a whole lot of sense! Unfortunately I rarely learned for the pleasure of learning, most of the time fear was the motivation.

Luckily, later on in life, I've discovered other "religions" or "belief systems", that were more relaxed than what I was being thought by Christianity. And specifically, I liked the idea of consciousness and an eternal soul. So I cling to that thought, that some essence survives the demise of the body. In a way is a form of escapism. Since I do not have any personal experience of "life beyond the physical body", for now this it's just another belief system that I have. But at least it allows me to relax from time to time, to dial down the fear and see the world with more Loving eyes. It allows me to have a look a the Scarcity programming.

So I often wonder, in a world of abundance, what would my experience be like? Would I still fear for my life? Would I be able to explore more this thought, perhaps with some guides that are further along the path? It is indeed very difficult to imagine abundance when fear is so deeply baked inside of you. I am a bit envious of those that have an "out of body" experience (that I'd like to have) or a Near Death Experience (that I am not so keen on having), because it has the potential to shatter this fear, and once fear is gone you can be more loving, because now you have nothing more to lose.

It's a paradox: Abundance makes you more loving, and yet it seems you need to become more loving first, before you have abundance :). It may be that Abundance is a reflection of the inner you, and not the other way around.

Another point I'd like to touch upon from Wade's post above, is the idea that in an Abundant World we would be bored to tears. I must confess I used to think that as well. What would you do without any kind of drama? Without competition? "What is the challenge?" as the Startrek character asked. One can make a good point about war and scarcity having motivated the most colossal inventions or of suffering being the greatest teacher of them all... And perhaps that was required in the past to get us here, but is it still required?

The idea that you will get bored out of your mind in an Abundant World stems from the fact that fear was the prime motivator in your life, fear of not having enough for example. And once that is gone, you don't know what to do with yourself. But that is because you don't know how you can be a Creator. In fact, most don't know that they can be (are) creators. They are so used of being pushed around by "life" (the scarcity program) that they lose their sense of direction once competition, profit and ambition stop making any sense. Most art and open source software, are clear examples of what we can do for the pleasure of doing it ("Ars gratia artis"), not because someone puts a financial gun to our heads, or the "communists"/"capitalists" are out to get us, so we need to get creative and develop more weapons. We did not experience Love as the prime motivator for creation, and so we are so addicted to Fear and think that only in Fear we can truly reach our potential.

So if we just imagine that there is enough for everyone, that assisting others does not imply sacrificing yourself, then you can explore the possibilities of Free Energy. And if I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am more than this body writing this, I think going from fear to Love may actually be very easy.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

You may not fully appreciate what a pleasure it is to read a post like that one that you made. Seeing posts like that is like finding an oasis after long years in the desert. You are getting it, as I have stated plenty, and if a relative few like you did, we would be well on our way toward bringing FE and abundance into a daily reality for all of us, and nobody would have to risk their life, either. I could write for a few days in response, but briefly…

Knowing that we could have abundance instead of scarcity, and pretty easily, can be one of the hardest things to hold in one’s mind as we look around us, and is usually the source of my rants, as the Creator is teaching me patience. :)

I have not had an out-of-body experience or an NDE in this lifetime, but I don’t fear death. It is not because I have a belief system, either, but because I have plenty of experience of the “paranormal,” beginning with participating in what are called remote viewings today:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#brown

You get a few of those under your belt, and you have knowledge that nobody can ever take away. And once you begin to have paranormal experiences, the experiences of people having NDEs or out-of-body experiences become normal parts of the terrain. When I went to see UFOs or swim with wild dolphins, I did not go to dare the experiences to happen, but to go have them, and without preconceptions. When you eagerly go after the experience, you get what you came for, although the experience itself can be quite unexpected in its dimensions.

On my thread, I have mentioned many of the paranormal experiences that I have had over the years as I immersed myself in that milieu. I can’t stress enough how important it is to get experience in the field, and we all have talent for it (although older souls are generally more interested and talented, as they are on the inward journey, not the outward one), and I am sure that you do. It can be hazardous terrain for some, as in a world of scarcity, people abuse those abilities, or lay all manner of trip on them, arguably because of their stunted, scarcity-based understandings. When I have seen people abuse those abilities, it was always with the song of scarcity humming in the background. There are far more pretenders than contenders in that milieu, just like with FE or any other “cutting edge” endeavor. It all boils down to personal integrity, and in a world of scarcity, it is the rarest quality of all:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#why

And that is the conundrum. All FE efforts so far have lacked a sufficient core of high-integrity people, so the efforts were easily defeated. My search is looking for people of integrity above all else (that “heart in the right place” stuff), and it has been like a walk in the desert for people such as Dennis, Brian O, and myself.

While an NDE would take away all of your doubt, there are less risky ways to achieve it, and one thing that can help is to understand how bogus the cultural managers can be. That is a central concern of my work, to show how the media’s pronouncements and the history we are taught are packs of lies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#introduction

and how the Western medical paradigm, for instance, is like a house of cards:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#beginnings

I have made posts on McLuhan’s dismantling of the “skeptical” perspective on the paranormal:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=640317&viewfull=1#post640317

I am currently reading two brilliant books by Chris Carter:

Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Psychic-Phenomena-House-Skeptics/dp/159477451X/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368792772&sr=1-5&keywords=chris+carter

Science and the Afterlife Experience: Evidence for the Immortality of Consciousness:

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Afterlife-Experience-Immortality-Consciousness/dp/1594774528/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368792772&sr=1-3&keywords=chris+carter

Carter plays fair in those books and demolishes the “skeptical” position, exposing its many irrationalities. One of the greatest logical fallacies of the “skeptics” is equating science or rationality with materialism. They are distantly related at most, and I see big names, some with a great deal of my respect, irrationally equate rationality with materialism. Materialism is a religion. I discovered firsthand how dishonest the “skeptics” are:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=410817&highlight=gritz#post410817

and works like McLuhan’s and Carter’s show how irrational they can also be. That does not mean that anybody needs to take the fairy tales of organized religion seriously. I regard organized religion’s taking Bible stories literally, for instance, as a kind of straw man that makes an easy target for the “skeptics.” As I have stated previously, I see the battles between the Creationists (AKA scriptural fundamentalists) and the Materialists as one between the Baby and Young souls.

On soul age, there is a great deal of mystical work that states that fear is a great way for younger souls to learn, and when I hear that, I don’t wonder at the accuracy of it, but I wonder about the wisdom of a creator who set up such a system of learning. Again, if it is a way to rehabilitate “fallen” souls, then I have a certain respect for it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#tale

but if not, then what an ethically-challenged mess Creation is. Even if the “fear” aspect of learning is somehow justified by whatever was going on in the Creator’s mind, the mystical stuff says that as souls gain more experience, they eventually lay aside learning through fear to learning through love and joy. In a very real way, that is the transition that I am trying to help along, making the paradigm shift from scarcity to abundance, and it is anything but an easy task. :)

Godzilla is artificially-enforcing scarcity onto humanity, and we do most of his dirty work for him, punishing those who stray from the orthodox presumption of scarcity. Again, this is a conundrum like no other on Earth, and the future of humanity likely hangs in the balance. Can enough of us wake up in time? Can we lay aside scarcity and embrace abundance? I know that almost nobody on the planet can do so today, short of having FE delivered to their homes (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli). It takes a great act of integrity and sentience to lay aside our scarcity-based conditioning, but if I can just find a few thousand like Ilie, we will be well on our way toward catalyzing that transition. If the ETs or Ascended Masters showed up to help, then the task would be far easier, but the effort expended to get us over the hump will gain us the experience so that we can handle it, and I think that is why they play in the shadows, because we need to learn to paddle our own canoe.

Marx said that his envisioned communist revolution could not happen properly unless its leaders went through the trial-by-fire that came with overthrowing the capitalistic order. I have written before that Marx’s Young Warrior delusions of violent overthrow eventually were replaced by peaceful and non-coercive means, as he matured:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=626729&highlight=marx#post626729

Marx eventually advocated the lamb’s path, which the revolutionaries in the twentieth century seemed to have forgotten.

On death and the other side, I act like I will live forever, and each act that I take in my daily life I take with the knowledge that I will answer for all of my deeds, if only to myself. For instance, I still have some legacy work regarding Brian O to perform, as I am still carrying his spears after he has passed over. I have no doubt that I will meet up with him on the other side when I pass, and there will be an accounting of how I handled his legacy. I don’t do it for that reason; having a highly-developed sense of conscience is plenty of motivation, but I also realize that in life, we are writing in ink, not in pencil, and getting it right has repercussions far beyond pleasing or irritating Brian, or whoever sent me here on this suicide mission.

On fear or love, and knowing what to do with yourself in a world of abundance, I can’t imagine that anybody in this world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

experiences even an instant of boredom or not knowing what to do with themselves. Gimme a chance to be bored there! :)

Time for chores.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

It is such a pleasure to be a witness to a discussions such as this one where you Ilie and Wade are throwing your thoughts (passionately typing it on the compture screen), I just finished reading and took a note to myself that I must have done something good in my life, given that I am able to read and be exposed to such a kind of sharings and exchange of thoughts from others. It happens to me often on Wade's 'healed planet' thread. Unlike you, I was raised in an environment of underachievement and mediocrity, therefore, believe it or not, having any type of 'success' can be frightening. Talk about scarcity...
I feel strong feeling of gratitude at this moment, and I hope you don't mind me sharing it here. I really do appreciate you all. Thank you ~

[CdnSirian]

Ilie said "The idea that you will get bored out of your mind in an Abundant World stems from the fact that fear was the prime motivator in your life, fear of not having enough for example. And once that is gone, you don't know what to do with yourself".

I have experienced this and have been very aware of it recently. I used to live a very different life. Easier, and more creative. Luckily I got paid too. :)

However, things changed and I work longer hours now and frequently on weekends. Life became a treadmill and many "spare time" hours are spent managing stress. And trying to stay healthy. And yet when I do have extra time off, I can end up even more stressed. Because I am out of practise in enjoying the creative part of life. But I am now in the process of regaining my creative mindset, and laying down some stepping stones to the abundant life - the creative life, whether I am ever able to downsize my necessary work hours or not.

I'd forgotten that time is elastic and in the right mind set I can get wonderful things created. So I remember now that we can be creative, although boredom can precede that, followed by some stress - till we realize "Oh! I'm thinking that way - and I now need to switch to thinking this way".

I have considered that this could be a mass almost hysterical problem with 7B people twiddling their thumbs in shock and distress. The meaning of life can disappear. So we will need to remind people "remember what you really wanted to be when you grew up"?

Of course a decade of clean up and recovery will give some busy work to anyone who prefers it as well as to those who have the skills and love the fullfillment of that.

So I have gone the through the switch mentally, really have had a rehearsal so to speak. O.K. gotta go - will come back later to make sure this makes sense. I did not mean to just repeat what Ilie wrote - but to reflect the process. Boredom/stress/ then "oh yeah there's my life! Where I put it and forgot"!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

Great posts. This “What will I do with myself in a world of abundance?” is related very closely to Godzilla’s success in making FE and what can come with it unimaginable.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#thinkable

It is also related to that experiment that Scott has been performing for some years now, where he asks people what they would do with their lives if all of their needs were met. The most common answer is, “I don’t know.” He finished our first interview with that observation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYth4J7YqDo

As I said, scarcity is baked deeply. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I was writing it, I realized that it is something else for Ilie’s thread: conspiracies would become obsolete with FE and abundance:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=675607&viewfull=1#post675607

:)

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

This is actually the more appropriate thread for this. Documentation and official police involvement in suppression of technology, suppression involving connections to oil companies:

http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/687

[Wade Frazier]

Carmody:

Somebody should probably start an alternative energy suppression thread, if one does not already exist, although I have no interest in really contributing to it. I already wrote the story once, and that is enough for me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#hitting

This thread is more about what will become obsolete if FE makes it over the hump and humanity lives in true abundance for the first time.

It is indeed ironic that you link to Wiseman’s site. Wiseman copycatted Dennis and Yull, and then criticized Dennis when Yull died “Penniless”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#bootleg

when I know that Dennis treated Yull like a king and paid him like one, while Wiseman never gave Yull a dime.

Wiseman was featured in a book long ago, pirating Dennis’s FE idea, and I know the author well, and the author has tried to play down featuring Wiseman, realizing that it was a mistake. Many years later, he seems to be probably just a free-lance pirate, not really a provocateur, although they are not easy to distinguish. He is just one more pretender.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Franky Wade, within the scope of some basic concerns, it does not matter who invented what. I thought we were beyond that.

I know what the thread is about. In that, motions toward, idealizations thereof, do indeed connect to other aspects. I understand the idea and the act of limiting thread content, and the reasons that such is the impetus of this thread.

As for George being some kind of poofer, I'd say he has his neck out there as much as anyone does. Nor do I think he's making a fortune on what he is doing. To me, denigrating him beyond that is a faulted view and tactic. It does not (in my view) do the situation, anyone involved, or human life on this planet -any favors.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Carmody:

Posting Wiseman’s suppression tale on this thread is really not appropriate. I suggest that you start a suppression thread if you want to post stuff like that. I am all for an inventor open sourcing what he comes up with, but “open sourcing” what others came up with, and then criticizing the very people you “open sourced” falls way, way short of what it takes to get over the hump. I have been on this road for many years, and people like Wiseman don’t have it. My jury is still out whether he is a provocateur or not. Others, who are in position to know, just think he is greedy. When I hear now much you think he is sticking his neck out, I laugh. Nobody offered him a billion dollars to go away, and the last I heard, he has not survived any murder attempts or spent any time behind bars.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

I never said how much I think he's sticking his neck out, nor do I personally know the man. My point was the devolving into argument. Wasted energies. I get your point about this thread, and I get the point about the idea of 'idealizing' (thread's basic point in expression). A key thing. Of course, personal idealizations projected, more than likely cannot do that. They probably never will, they do not have the glue that binds. More that... commonalities in the underlying fabric of expression -can do that. I will not post more on this, as it is apparently misunderstandings and semantics. As for that kind of offer and issues, I've had a few thrown my way. Not exactly the same expression of such, but ...close enough.

Edit: if you and the thread starter think that this is distracting, I have no problem having these connected posts removed from this thread and dumped into dead space (no need to start a thread).

See you folks next week some time. maybe.

[Wade Frazier]

Carmody:

You can leave the posts as they stand. I used it as grist for a post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=675984&viewfull=1#post675984

Best,

Wade

[bennycog]

Ilie said "The idea that you will get bored out of your mind in an Abundant World stems from the fact that fear was the prime motivator in your life, fear of not having enough for example. And once that is gone, you don't know what to do with yourself".

I have experienced this and have been very aware of it recently. I used to live a very different life. Easier, and more creative. Luckily I got paid too. :)

However, things changed and I work longer hours now and frequently on weekends. Life became a treadmill and many "spare time" hours are spent managing stress. And trying to stay healthy. And yet when I do have extra time off, I can end up even more stressed. Because I am out of practise in enjoying the creative part of life. But I am now in the process of regaining my creative mindset, and laying down some stepping stones to the abundant life - the creative life, whether I am ever able to downsize my necessary work hours or not.

I'd forgotten that time is elastic and in the right mind set I can get wonderful things created. So I remember now that we can be creative, although boredom can precede that, followed by some stress - till we realize "Oh! I'm thinking that way - and I now need to switch to thinking this way".

I have considered that this could be a mass almost hysterical problem with 7B people twiddling their thumbs in shock and distress. The meaning of life can disappear. So we will need to remind people "remember what you really wanted to be when you grew up"?

Of course a decade of clean up and recovery will give some busy work to anyone who prefers it as well as to those who have the skills and love the fullfillment of that.

So I have gone the through the switch mentally, really have had a rehearsal so to speak. O.K. gotta go - will come back later to make sure this makes sense. I did not mean to just repeat what Ilie wrote - but to reflect the process. Boredom/stress/ then "oh yeah there's my life! Where I put it and forgot"!

Nice post. I could imagine that a free energy future would be far from boring because of abundance. Imagine trotting off to the moon for the day to attend your history lecture while earth greets you in the background, and on your lunch break talking to your parents who are on a space cruise around the sun for an anniversary.

[Ilie Pandia]

Just finished the books that Wade pointed to and added to those the second one (in the series) about NDEs.

What a journey!

Science and the Afterlife Experience: Evidence for the Immortality of Consciousness - was a big missing piece from the puzzle. I really had no idea that there is so much evidence in support of the survival theory. The implications from the conclusions in this book are huge, and I am still working to absorb them. One can only imagine just how far (or different) is a science that has integrated the study of consciousness and its effects on "matter".

The book series is also a very good example of critical thinking, exposing many "logical fallacies" in the so called skeptics' arguments. I also had to become aware of my own errors in judgement :) (more than once!)

I am still trying to work out how is this related to Free Energy and Abundance... If one argues that all of our fears can be traced back to the fear of dying, then it stand to reason that alleviating that fear would lead to greater perceived freedom in once life and an increased ability to express compassion towards others and act from a place of Love.

[mosquito]

Abundance = Boredom ?????????????????????????

Get a group of 7-yr-olds together, tell them they have no homework, no adult-imposed chores and they can do anything they want. Would they be bored ? Do any of us remember being bored as children ?

Hopefully, an abundant life will see us changing our utterly tedious and boring attitude to life, will see us comprehending that having fun together isn't a sin, it's an obligation !

Bye bye Protestant work ethic !

[Ilie Pandia]

Abundance = Boredom ?????????????????????????

Get a group of 7-yr-olds together, tell them they have no homework, no adult-imposed chores and they can do anything they want. Would they be bored ? Do any of us remember being bored as children ?

Hopefully, an abundant life will see us changing our utterly tedious and boring attitude to life, will see us comprehending that having fun together isn't a sin, it's an obligation !

Bye bye Protestant work ethic !

And that was the kiss of death for the "boredom in an Abundant world" theory. Very good point!!!

[mosquito]

And that was the kiss of death for the "boredom in an Abundant world" theory. Very good point!!!

Haha - it matters not Ilie, this is a free thinking thread, which you are doing admirably ! It's only when we sit down and really dig into our beliefs that we can see how frimly entrenched the scarcity mentality is. Whatever problems I have in life right now, I'm VERY grateful for having 800 7 and 8 year olds to give me a bit of perspective ;)

[CdnSirian]

"Be Ye as little children" ...

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

"Be Ye as little children" ...While reading Philip's posts, have felt an urge to write the same as you :) Thanx :) So being "an adult" will become obsolete :) Can't wait for it :)

[ulli]

Goodie! Now that even Ilie has joined the eternal life camp I can see that the great shift is definitely under way.
All it takes is 100 of us FE monkeys to connect the life-after-death dots to the synchronicity dots,
to the consciousness-creates-reality dots, color the pages with air brushes, sprinkle fairy dust,
then blend in a little OBE type of journeying and we can have our new world.
I love, love, love it.
I just wish Carmody and Rocky would join the opening party.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

NDEs, not long ago a msm magazine published a short interview with Dr Sam Parnia of Stony Brook University Hospital. He conducts scientific research on NDE. And he appears to be quite objective (if not enthusiastic ;)) about it.
Full interview link http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/04/consciousness-after-death/all/ with additional links to Parnia's work inside

Here is one quote to give you some feel of it
Parnia: All the evidence we have shows an association between certain parts of the brain and certain mental processes. But it’s a chicken and egg question: Does cellular activity produce the mind, or does the mind produce cellular activity?

Some people have tried to conclude that what we observe indicates that cells produce thought: here’s a picture of depression, here’s a picture of happiness. But this is simply an association, not a causation. If you accept that theory, there should be no reports of people hearing or seeing things after activity in their brain has stopped. If people can have consciousness, maybe that raises the possibility that our theories are premature.

This is mainstream now...

[Ilie Pandia]

A quick post.

I've just found other examples of how energy availability changed things in radical ways.

I am thinking of food. Much of the food we eat today was reserved only for the kings (or very rich) because it was very expensive to get. And it was expensive because of the energy spent to get it. Today I eat bananas almost daily, but just a few years back, bananas were a luxury product around here. Same goes for all kinds of fruits and vegetables that are not locally grown. More cheap energy made this possible (and the lack of it can bring the bananas supply to a halt in no time!)

Another thing is vegetable oil. If I recall correctly, someone explained to me that it took 20 kilograms of sun flower seed to get 1 liter of oil. The process was very difficult, it involved a lot of "human powered" pulleys and presses and the final product (oil) was very expensive. I do recall times when buying sunflower oil was again a luxury. Before that, people would use lard (animal fat) to cook their food.

Anyway, these are not earth shattering examples, but they do show how energy is behind everything and how more energy availability can contribute to a much higher standard of living. :)

[Ilie Pandia]

And a bit of music to go with the ideas here:

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