What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[galilava]

there is no free energy, the energy is just energy as it always has been and it is free for all living creatures a priori, except the humans. the concept of free/ not free energy is created by the human mind. (remember, all mains and the earth were still free for the native americans just couple of centuties ago). Waiting for a fe device is so absurd, as WE should not have accepted the concept of nonfree energy/scarecity etc. on the first place...so the question is, are we ready to realise and accept our birth right again.
P.S. it is only up to us how far the changes will go and whether they will be good or negative (free energy could very well be complemented by a total global control system as some fiction has well described).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, the food example is one where relative energy abundance has made life much different than it used to be. In the industrialized world, many things that were once considered luxuries (like a full belly, and no threat of going hungry) are now taken for granted, and many things taken for granted (such as slavery and barefoot and pregnant women) are relics of history. I was a Freddie fanatic while young, and saw Queen play in 1982, in the penultimate show that they played in the USA. He was one of a kind.

Hi Galilava:

The ideas that you present have been discussed in these threads several times before. The idea of free or not is born of scarcity, and energy has always been scarce on Earth. No study of the human past, including Indians, or the history of life on Earth, has ever found that Golden Age of energy abundance. What I call Free Energy means abundant, environmentally harmless energy that nobody is going to pay for. That has never been seen on Earth before (at least, for public consumption http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground). The changes that abundant, harmless energy can bring to humanity can be vast and unprecedented:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

The words are not so important, but the ideas are. But the only practical way to what I call free energy is going to be through technology, as the human journey has always been about technology. These threads are about bringing the fifth epoch of the human journey into manifestation:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=674575&viewfull=1#post674575

It may be the only way that we prevent our self-destruction, while taking most of the ecosphere with us.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Lately I've been lazy and I've put off imagining abundance for more "important stuff".

I've been sucked back into life and into survival mode, into worrying about the future. Sure, Free Energy and abundance is nice, but until we have them someone needs to worry, right...?

Wade has said countless times now just how hard it is to simply imagine abundance. When I first read that I thought was a pretty silly thing to say: I surely can imagine anything I want, abundance and Free Energy included!!

I couple of years later I am forced to admit that he was right. It comes so much easier for me to imagine and write about doom and gloom, disasters, conflict, cataclysms, war poverty and suffering. That just comes "naturally" and feels "close and real to me". While imagining abundance, and how things can be different (much much different) take a considerable effort to do, and most of times feels like silly wishful thinking.

So that is an interesting thing in itself: how come it's so easy to imagine hard times and nearly impossible to imagine abundance? If anything, they should be just as difficult or easy to imagine, but they are not. Isn't this strange? Shouldn't we question this?

I am deeply conditioned to think in a specific way, to expect specific things and laugh at "impossible imaginings". And breaking out of this conditioning seems like the hardest battle, because it feels like going against anything that "you know to be true"... but do you know?... do you really know? This strong bias towards scarcity based thinking (and fear) is Godzilla's greatest asset. It is not clear if he has brought his contribution to this or if he is just profiting by our thinking, but he has a vested interest in keeping us the way we are: deep into scarcity thinking.

Frankly, we don't even know what abundance is. We make all kinds of effort to define it, to think about it, but most often than not we pollute those ideas with our fearful thoughts. True abundance it's so alien to us that I think we actually fear it. It's so unknown that we don't want to go there, not even in thought. It's OK to have little pockets of abundance, here and here, but just as long as the scarcity background is still standing firmly on its legs. We want some change, but not any kind of radical change...

If you think deeply about the implication of properly using Free Energy in our world, you quickly start to see the world falling apart around you. What you were absolutely sure it was true, you learn it is not. You may find that your heroes are not the saints you thought them to be. You may even have to take a deep look at yourself and your actions and see if they still make sense in an abundant world. Your entire life would change dramatically.

I have a strong hunch, that with abundance, one has no one left to blame for all his fears and for all of his "mis-fortunes" in life. With abundance comes absolute freedom and with that comes absolute responsibility for ones life. You lose your right to blame another and you have to come to terms with the creator (of whatever) that you are. Perhaps this is one of the unconscious fears that keeps us from imagining Free Energy?

Even as I write this, there is a background feeling that I am still dancing around the issue and I did not go yet to the core of it. Getting closer... but not quite there yet.

Am I ready to give up everything I though I knew? Am I ready to completely give up my life style and my beliefs? Am I ready to accept abundance, joy and well being, not only for my dear ones, but for my perceived "enemies" as well? Am I ready to forgive or do I still have vengeful thoughts and I am just waiting to be powerful enough so can show 'em who's boss?

Free Energy comes with the very real promise of Heaven on Earth, but there is a price, and that is shedding our current belief systems in order to face and accept the new reality.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Do you want to write my essay for me? :) That is one of the most brilliant posts that I have ever seen, and it is getting at the nub of it. My understanding is that all fears have their roots in not feeling in control of what happens to our physical bodies, and while we live in physical reality, we will be subject to fear. But there is the natural fear when faced with something immediately life-threatening, and there is the chronic, low-level fear that comes from what we imagine might happen. And yes, people much prefer to imagine fearful, scarcity-based scenarios over those of abundance.

The human journey has been filled with fearful imaginings, with the all-too-real specters of hunger, violence, privation, abuse, and the like just around the corner for most people during world history. This is baked very deeply, from the beginnings of the human journey, when we were killer apes. When we allegedly became sentient, we not only developed better memories and imaginations, we were able to “play” with them in ways that most other animals cannot. Because fearful situations have predominated during the human journey, ideologies, “entertainment” (horror movies, etc.), and our societal structures are oriented around fear, and Godzilla other parasite/predators have learned to exploit it in ways that can be considered ingenious.

This fear and addiction to scarcity comes in many guises, and they really come into view when you begin to engage people on FE and abundance. The vast majority simply refuses to imagine it, and it is not all just denial. If you look into the fringes very deeply, you will find that most of it is invalid. I was just looking yesterday into some alternative interpretations of archeological evidence that somebody has promoted to me, and it was the same old, same old - a lot of speculation and wishful thinking, in quite unscientific ways, projected onto the evidence. There is mountain of chaff burying the kernels of wheat, and I can understand scientists and other intellectuals wanting to wave it all away.

But when you are on the cutting edge of this FE stuff, hearing about Sparky Sweet’s adventures:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sparky

or Adam Trombly’s:

http://projectearth.com/about/adam-trombly

or Dennis’s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

or mine ( :) ), then it becomes all too real. The bare facts of our journeys are usually far larger than life, but they are not more difficult to investigate than anybody else’s story, especially when people such as Dennis richly document their journeys in their books. That is not the hard part. The hard part is people laying aside their many misconceptions and delusions, so that they can begin to perceive reality beyond what the cultural managers have concocted for mass consumption. Almost nobody on Earth possesses the personal integrity to do so, because their delusions feed and comfort them. And almost nobody will get to understand that bitter truth until they actually try to do something that will have an impact.

Just imagining what can be with FE is some very heavy lifting, which is why I say that this thread is the best that I have seen on the Internet, because it just imagines what aspects of today’s world become obsolete in a world of abundance, and as readers of this thread have likely realized, almost everything about today’s world becomes obsolete.

For a person who lives in fear, their entire world coming to an end can conjure all manner of dire scenarios, even if what replaces the world they know is heaven on Earth. That is one reason why I say that the masses are only going to begin to wake up when an FE device is delivered to their homes and their electric meter stops. If that day happens, stuff like this thread is going to take on great importance, as so much of the road ahead would actually be imagined, and the people in my merry little band will be on their way to making the epochal changes that FE can bring. People are not going to have to stretch their minds all that far to begin to understand what could lie ahead. But far more than 99% of the population is not going to be willing or even able to imagine abundance until the means to have it is delivered to them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

Again, only the needles in haystacks are going to be able to get this ball rolling, and one of the first steps is just imagining that it is possible. This is vitally important, early-stage work.

Best,

Wade

[Fred Steeves]

Am I ready to give up everything I though I knew? Am I ready to completely give up my life style and my beliefs? Am I ready to accept abundance, joy and well being, not only for my dear ones, but for my perceived "enemies" as well? Am I ready to forgive or do I still have vengeful thoughts and I am just waiting to be powerful enough so can show 'em who's boss?

Free Energy comes with the very real promise of Heaven on Earth, but there is a price, and that is shedding our current belief systems in order to face and accept the new reality.

Hey there Ilie, here's my take on this. I'm chagrin to use a military term here, but "prepping the battle field" comes to mind. It is commonly known that in order to have a *true* spiritual transformation, one will eventually come face to face with a "dark night of the soul" episode. Anyone who has been through that will tell you that's where their old life literally shattered to pieces, and a new life began to build with a whole new set of eyes. This is the prepping of the battle field so to speak.

Before this time things like spirituality, abundance, our inherent Creator abilities etc., are nothing but a bunch of ideas and concepts gleaned from reading books and such. The knowledge is parroted and mimicked, not internalized. It's only during that extreme dark time, when all is seemingly lost, that we are broken and desperate enough to truly let go of everything we thought we knew, and take a step off that cliff into the unknown. That fateful step is where true magic enters a life, and where a solid foundation has been laid from which to eventually fly and be free. And as George Harrison says: "It Don't Come Easy". :no:

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So it's no wonder that the vast majority of people have a tough time (to say the least) with things like you're talking about, as one has to literally die in spirit in order to even *begin* the journey of *true* understanding. I have a strong hunch Wade would not argue with this. This kind of understanding cannot be forced, cannot be copied, and cannot be memorized, it has to come straight from one's heart and soul.

I think this would be a good point to incorporate Wade's choir here as well, as it goes hand in hand. Just like creating regular music, it must come forth freely and naturally. If one truly loves music, they will catch themselves humming or singing something pretty much wherever they go. It's that natural love of something flowing forth without so much as a thought to doing it. Song sheet not required. :)

[Wade Frazier]

Yes, Fred, I will not disagree with the thrust of your post. If Michael is to be believed, almost the entire purpose of our being here as a soul’s “fragment” is to be indoctrinated into false consciousness, AKA the False Personality (which is fear-based), and then learn to access “essence” (AKA our soul, love, etc.). I am trying to help it along on a global scale. If everybody had to do the heavy lifting that I have, then it would not happen, and we will quickly go down the tubes as a species (and pick another life form without opposable thumbs on another planet to finish our incarnation cycles). As I have stated, I am not looking for people who had their faces rubbed in evil like I did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#faces

to then go to the darkest of places:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

to then triumph. Almost nobody on Earth today can pass that test, and I don’t look for people who can, or who have lived it at Dennis’s surreal Level:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

People like Ilie are exactly what I am looking for, for this project. He did not go through the meat grinder like the FE heroes did, but he is awake, however he got there, which is usually by having some kind of experience that gave him a peek behind the veil of our conditioning. What he is doing on this thread is exactly what I hoped somebody would do.

Best,

Wade

[gripreaper]

Am I ready to give up everything I though I knew? Am I ready to completely give up my life style and my beliefs? Am I ready to accept abundance, joy and well being, not only for my dear ones, but for my perceived "enemies" as well? Am I ready to forgive or do I still have vengeful thoughts and I am just waiting to be powerful enough so can show 'em who's boss?

It is commonly known that in order to have a *true* spiritual transformation, one will eventually come face to face with a "dark night of the soul" episode. Anyone who has been through that will tell you that's where their old life literally shattered to pieces, and a new life began to build with a whole new set of eyes. This is the prepping of the battle field so to speak.

Before this time things like spirituality, abundance, our inherent Creator abilities etc., are nothing but a bunch of ideas and concepts gleaned from reading books and such. The knowledge is parroted and mimicked, not internalized. It's only during that extreme dark time, when all is seemingly lost, that we are broken and desperate enough to truly let go of everything we thought we knew, and take a step off that cliff into the unknown. That fateful step is where true magic enters a life, and where a solid foundation has been laid from which to eventually fly and be free.

So it's no wonder that the vast majority of people have a tough time (to say the least) with things like you're talking about, as one has to literally die in spirit in order to even *begin* the journey of *true* understanding. I have a strong hunch Wade would not argue with this. This kind of understanding cannot be forced, cannot be copied, and cannot be memorized, it has to come straight from one's heart and soul.

Fred hits the nail on the head again. You a hammer or something, where everything looks like a nail to you these days? I know this thread is about emergent technologies, but you have hit on a very salient point in how we need to tear down the castle walls we have built, go through the dark night of the soul, and emerge with a clean and empty hard drive in order to load new software, the truth of who we are and our spirituality.

This post of yours would fit quite nicely in Bill's Jesus, Magdalene, Gnostic, Archon thread.

[mosquito]

I've been sucked back into life and into survival mode, into worrying about the future. Sure, Free Energy and abundance is nice, but until we have them someone needs to worry, right...?

.......



Wow Ilie - I empathize with everything you say in this brilliant post.

Being sucked back into survival and fear mode is one of the most pernicious ways we limit ourselves. I'm right there at the moment and do NOT like it. As you say, imagining the world as it could be becomes much more difficult when you have to think about the daily necessities. (I'm not going to go into what's been going on for me recently, suffice it to say it was basic survival stuff). As Wade has so often said - it's all about energy, and I'm beginning to see that this is fundamental to virtually every aspect of human life.

Stay present in your life and your issues Ilie, you're where you are for a reason, and you'll come through. ;) Thank you.

[Limor Wolf]

We are only but a fragment of a soul, maybe this is why the imagining of our society living in abundance minute by minute feels so challenging right now. There are other changes that need to take place, then the integration will be more natural and easier, and yet like a chick pecking the shell of an egg from the inside, we are requested to push our way into this new world, not only by understanding the old energy material that we used as fule and by tracking our thought pattern and identifying our submissivness that led us to the bottom of this lesson of scarcity , but also by moving to the other side of the fence and play it rich.

Truth is we are programmed bilological machines not unlike any other computure software only for the fact that we have the ability to break our own program, this is what we are requested to do now - to break the program and to reprogram ourselves again

The soul searching and difficulty to imagine Ilie expressed with such candidness is nothing but the breaking of the program inhbited in us for many many years, a one which was implanted by others. Now we are learning this fact, also the fact that we can override the old software and reprogram ourselves and the world around us again. The rebelion of the robots type of thing. And as long as we reflect and as long as we desire, this is our way to reach the goal, step by step moving towards the exit.

Thanks Ilie for your very well written post, which we can all identify with and may I add Mazal tov and Happy birthday!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

My reply to your nice post is over here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=710814&viewfull=1#post710814

as it is kind of off-topic for this thread.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

One last reply to Ilie’s recent post is that I see the same chaos, mayhem, and evil in the world that many others see. But when I look at those situations, I think about what kind of situations those become in a world of FE and abundance, and they quickly disappear, becoming relics of the Age of Scarcity. It is almost like you can name any dire situation on Earth today, and FE and abundance solves them, and true abundance will necessarily be based on FE. The primary possible downsides are weaponization and environmental abuse, but those are both products of the scarcity mindset, and would quickly go away with FE and abundance, and those peacekeeping grandmothers can keep the delusional Young Warriors and others from performing suicidally stupid acts until the new reality finally sinks in for them.

Without FE, virtually all of the “abundance” talk and visions that are bandied about are not really possible. That is why FE is the lynchpin, and Godzilla knows this well, which is why FE is subjected to the kind of suppression that it is. When people begin thinking about abundance, and they start waxing mystically, socially, politically, and in other ways, the danger is losing sight of what is important. I have noticed that most who do that are scientifically illiterate, so they pursue what they “know,” but scientific illiteracy is a fatal flaw in learning to think comprehensively, and people then tend to hack at branches with their limited perspective. A social or political movement is not going to make FE happen, nor will the inventor of the hour, a new business, and a bunch of mystical stuff. All of those things are on the side-effect level, not causal, although the case can be made for the mystical stuff, but it is easy to get ungrounded and impractical when people go down the mystical rabbit holes, and many await the unwary and inexperienced.

So, I think it is OK to be aware of the state of the world and humanity, but if a person dons FE lenses, and sees what can be with FE and abundance, then the view is at least hopeful.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

...imagining abundance...

That post had a beautiful feel Ilie.

One of the reasons I enjoy thinking about FE (and this, Wade’s and the Future Earth thread) is that I find the more I think about it, the more chance I give both the obvious and not so obvious benefits of abundance to reconfigure my thinking. It’s an ongoing process - the more I study, the deeper I feel the blocks shifting, and the more I believe that great changes are possible.

I can’t even remember when I first became aware of FE tech. But I remember watching Brian O’Leary’s Camelot interview and looking around my room. I started to imagine my own flat being completely self-sufficient – everything electric running, without monetary cost, on FE independently. The computer, fridge, cooker, hot water and lights. No bills to pay. No pollution. There would be no noise - due to how the tech would change/improve thanks to lower costs in manufacture / recycling. Then I imagined the extra (not-yet-invented / available) tech that FE could help bring about, which could enable me to grow my own food whilst drawing and purifying water from the air. Suddenly my new FE flat created a self-sufficient existence where I didn’t have to earn money to meet my basic needs. Then I imagined an entire street, an entire town, an entire world, where everyone was living this way – how it would open people up to each other more, with more time and less stress – enabling more love and creation. More time to create ourselves, to create and explore new ideas and new potential in our immediate and global lives, rather than being tied down ‘creating’ income to pay for our basic needs.

Even if, in my self-sufficient FE flat, there was tech that needed mending, in an FE world where I was working-for-money less I would have more time to learn, understand and mend the technology in my home. FE-powered tech would eventually be better enabled to mend itself, and a world of plenty is where more and more of us would help each other for free because firstly - we wouldn’t ‘need’ money to reimburse our generosity, and secondly – we would not feel the insecurities of being ‘taken for granted’ the way we do now, so often, based on feeling our talents and the time we give are not appreciated as much as we’d like. Many jobs could be done a lot quicker, not only because of advanced FE tech, but because people would have less or no financial incentive to lie and draw out the mending process just so they could charge more and justify their trade. They would feel less or no motivation to overcomplicate processes in order to prove their usefulness and make you feel dependent on their expertise.

Having that vision was part of what seeded my daily, continuing, FE enthusiasm.

You said : “...If you think deeply about the implication of properly using Free Energy in our world, you quickly start to see the world falling apart around you. What you were absolutely sure it was true, you learn it is not. You may find that your heroes are not the saints you thought them to be.”
Like so many things, the hero worship phenomenon seems to relate to scarcity. We raise up heroes often because they appear to be an embodiment of what we have not been able to achieve ourselves. But far more ‘rare’ feats of genius, fitness or courage are achievable by the masses in a world of wider abundance (helping to make collaborative efforts rather than competitive ones a more stimulating challenge too.) In a world of scarcity we want the rare, progressive scientist, artist or other-natured pioneer who brings hope and seemingly rare truth in the dark landscape to be admirable in every aspect of themselves. We want them to be perfect so that no-one can question their brilliance, so they are immune to criticism on every front and no-one has an excuse to look away and return their gaze to inferior modes of thinking. We even use them as a distraction so that we ourselves do not have to return our gaze inward to what needs to be fixed within us. It makes us feel good about ourselves to feel we know the goodness or brilliance we haven’t attained has been embodied by at least one other. In a world of scarcity we are hard on our heroes. Expecting too much, and calling it love, when really it is a distraction from the love we have struggled to nourish within. A prison of scarcity compounds the struggle. A world of abundance makes the inward adventure more exciting and worthwhile.

When you asked “Am I ready to accept abundance, joy and well being, not only for my dear ones, but for my perceived "enemies" as well? Am I ready to forgive or do I still have vengeful thoughts and I am just waiting to be powerful enough so can show 'em who's boss?...” ...it reminded me of what I often find myself thinking – that a lot of anger is really just love that became blocked. Love that was rejected, love that was betrayed, love that was never even recognised, love that was afraid to show itself for fear of the consequences. Not being recognised for our talents, our sacrifice, our good intentions – and being made to feel like we should be tough enough not to care – results in us burying these wounds so they are relegated to a place where they can end up getting the better of us subconsciously, making the wounds harder to mend.

Living in a world that rewards people for lying and stepping over one another, makes icons out of people who exploit fellow beings and the earth and calls it ‘success,’ drives people away from the true meaning of love and encourages us to seek ‘recognition’ for meaningless or demeaning accomplishments. In a world of plenty and collaboration a lot of the ‘recognition’ we currently seek, to prove ourselves as savvy business people and ample providers would become meaningless – enabling us to form a much deeper notion of what makes us worthwhile individuals. Enabling us to truly see that spending our time and energy seeking revenge is a poor distraction from what we could be doing with our time instead – i.e. creating, healing, being free of toxic emotions. Why would I want to spend my time angrily hunting down an enemy to punish them when a world of love, freedom and abundance is waiting to be felt and explored on a daily basis?

We must be vigilant in guarding against destructive forces, but that is not the same as being vengeful. In an abundant world that vigilance becomes easier to hold as a gentle awareness, rather than the state of fear we are encouraged into now. Part of vengefulness has to do with compensation and recognition. Naturally, in a world of true sense, respect and abundance, we seek less recognition from the outside, and are freer to sense the subtle frequencies that speak to our hearts and remind us when we are flowing from our soul. From higher guidance. Those frequencies are less and less drowned out by the noise of our baser needs and contrived desires that are compounded in a world of scarcity. And in a world of abundance, if we are injured by another, we are more inclined to heal our anger so we can get on with returning to our abundant state. A vengeful man or woman in today’s world is often drawn to feel vengeful because their enemy has made their hard and bitter world more difficult than it already was. A world where a man feels he has nothing spiritually (even if he is a billionaire), and therefore nothing left to lose, is a world where revenge seems like the only satisfaction attainable, a small compensation in a world that seems to offer so little. But in a state of abundance there is so much more to lose, so much more worth safeguarding, and so much more to be enjoyed in the uplifting world that is constantly, vitally, all around us.

The more I have carried the notions addressed in these FE threads around with me, the more I have stumbled across remnants of scarcity-based thinking in my own head. The little jolts of fear that say “Wait a minute, is this really the right way to go?” When that happens it’s a reminder of how I deeply-programmed I’ve been, of how there really aren’t many frames of reference in this world for abundance to lean back on, except the odd level 19 person (as Wade refers to them) who can perhaps live off water and sunlight alone. It’s a reminder to me that imagining it and holding the vision really can be a tall order for us.

I remember as a young child seeing occasional TV news about man-made global-warming being a potential problem for future generations. It bothered me immensely. But children of this generation have been bombarded in the last ten or so years with a constant flow of announcements that the damage may be irreversible. This is traumatic information to be digesting from your earliest years; to be surrounded by a world that apparently, for generations, didn’t care enough to stop doing the damage that would affect your own future and the planetary stability. It is scarcity-conditioning at a deep and at times insidious level. If we’re responsible we learn not to wallow in thoughts of who to blame, but to instead forgive our predecessors for their ignorance and search for solutions. I see a lot of young people doing that now and it lifts my spirit, seeing them take on the challenge with a determined, soulful resolve.

The destruction of war due to insanity (laying aside that which is based on scarcity) is a fear that we all address. But the fear that your own race cannot sustain its development without destroying its home can have an even deeper, more soul-crushing consequence for our personal growth. Once we fully switch to sustainable energy solutions, which enable us to create and recycle our material goods without diminishing our resources, that overwhelming threat of such sweeping environmental destruction will become obsolete – and children will be born into a world that offers them not only safety, but shared and infinitely glorious possibilities for their future.


Wade Frazier, Post 504 : “...the masses are only going to begin to wake up when an FE device is delivered to their homes and their electric meter stops. If that day happens, stuff like this thread is going to take on great importance, as so much of the road ahead would actually be imagined...”

That is what I long for in the world – more people becoming aware of FE and sharing their visions like planners. I look forward to when doctors, teachers, agriculturists and architects begin coming together to show the world a vision of what is possible. A reality of no poverty, and extraordinary opportunity. It’s why I love these threads – weaving, as they are, a new and healing world.


Fred Steeves, Post 505: “...So it's no wonder that the vast majority of people have a tough time (to say the least) with things like you're talking about, as one has to literally die in spirit in order to even *begin* the journey of *true* understanding...”

I agree with Fred that when we’re making truly reconfiguring changes in ourselves it feels like our old ways are dying a death inside us. With that can come fear or anguish, a panicked clinging. That’s why I think Wade says it right when he says FE is not a subject for quick-study artists. I’m still reconfiguring my scarcity-thinking, every day, all the time, and the more I look at this subject with love, patience and willingness, the more it seems to settle in my psyche – birthing new life while the old beliefs and fear are slowly dying their death. As Limor said...

“...this is what we are requested to do now - to break the program and to reprogram ourselves again...”

I possibly could have said all this with fewer words; but words are one of those things in my little world that seem to flow in abundance...


:grouphug:

[Limor Wolf]

A visit to this thread gave me a tremendous uplifting. Melinda, you are a rich woman, and this is not being said with any reference to money. I'll say it as short as possible, as I am in a state of scarcity when it comes to words - all the participants in this and on Wade's thread have a lush and well developed inner world and an original way of thinking. The flexibility of the mind may be a needed requirment for a change of awarness not less then that of a caring heart, the school that advocates using only logical left brain thinking is somewhat poor when looking for solutions which are outside of the box, that is in FE case - the strictness of exact science.

I dare say limited thinking may become obsolete as well, our perception system is completely about to change and the term 'Energy' will get such a broader meaning that the whole game will take some new (currently unavailable) rules. I somehow doubt we can stay in this rigid physical world, when we learn to use our own energy without the need for technology, but that is far down the line, first step first and Wade's essays and deapth of observation and understanding may open a door to a new world which combines the exact with some radical new thinking which will (it is already forming now) create what can be called - the new science - the tangible and measurable with an observation and consideration of the 'unexplainable'. It is all about allowing the mind to be 'bend like a pretzel'.

I am personally thankful and inspired by everyone here for doing simply that

[Melinda]

A visit to this thread gave me a tremendous uplifting. Melinda, you are a rich woman, and this is not being said with any reference to money. I'll say it as short as possible, as I am in a state of scarcity when it comes to words - all the participants in this and on Wade's thread have a lush and well developed inner world and an original way of thinking...

Thank you for that Limor, and for your whole post.
I feel the same about everyone’s contributions here, and am very glad you are here.

It can be hard work sharing and digging and searching, especially when few or none in our immediate lives feel compelled to the same questions.

In reference to what you said about transcending external technology, you got me thinking again... The never-before-seen and vast potential of FE to transform our predatory relationship with the world and each other as creators into a far more harmonious one is truly ground-breaking I think, and keeps the issue of FE tied very closely to our spiritual intent. Both in bringing it about, and in using it for transcendent purposes. [What I’m writing isn’t directly aimed at you – just a way for me to sketch my thoughts, which are plenty, once again.]

Perhaps if we had evolved differently we would not be having the external FE technology discussion – we would instead, as seven billion creators or so, be levitating and manifesting our wishes in a world of telepathy and pure psychic abundance. But for whatever reason that is not our reality, yet, on this plane. As you described it : “that is far down the line...” What we have instead is a world with tremendous potential where we have damaged our environment and each other enormously, and in that respect I see FE as a way for us to stop the external plundering so we can begin a new phase of internal healing and exploration. Without mending the damage we’ve done I’m not sure we’re offering a world to future generations that will be an easy place to transcend survival mode and develop psychic abundance. Perhaps a few who choose to live in the forest can do it for themselves, but how long before the other billions come to take that forest down due to ignorance, greed and a misguided perception of necessity? I would like a solution for all of us, not just a few. If it is possible. I believe FE can offer that – allowing us to not only continue but expand our creativity in a way that solar panels and wind farms cannot. Wind farms, solar farms, river dams and tidal technology itching over the landscape and keeping us tied dependently to a grid, is not my idea of progress when FE can offer us a revolutionary kind of freedom.

As someone who is not technologically-minded I have found the work on these threads, and the resultant thoughts that follow me around, to be a very healthy reminder of how I live and benefit from a technological world. Economic powers will continue to throw potentially distracting gadgetry and mind-affecting machinery at us, with or without FE. The only reason I imagine they would stop is if the excuse is there that we can no longer afford them in terms of energy use. Whilst some folk may see that kind of restriction as a good thing, and therefore FE as a bad thing, I can’t help but see it as defeatist. I want to imagine and build a world where future generations can have abundance and freedom and navigate the stars. I find that to be a more wonderful way to save ourselves from destruction than simply abstaining from development. And the FE solution means a world of abundance that can be shared by billions of souls all learning from each other; not just the uber-wealthy or the extraordinary handful that slipped under the radar and learned to live off sunlight, wild berries and a personal supply of chi.

What I get from what you said, Limor, is that what we’re talking about becoming obsolete, with both internal and external FE, is most ideas of limitation that we are currently faced with in the world around us. The responsible use of external FE can help move us to that place of abundant internal FE and also clean up the damage we’ve done. What new ways of seeing and being will be opened to us after generations of living with that freedom likely won’t be imaginable until we get there. So it seems a shame to be worrying about how we’ll function without the prison bars to which we’ve become accustomed (something that’s been mentioned here before.) When we’re not pushed up against the wall and divided... we are harmonious, freedom-loving, sentient creators and love streams through us like water through the rivers and the wind through the air.

I have often found these threads, and what we are all trying to do here (encircling them with our thoughts even if not by posting), to be beautiful. Inspiring, frustrating, worthwhile, challenging, uplifting - and beautiful.

Believe it or not I was just going to write a little thank you when I decided to post :) ...but once I get going it all starts flowing

May abundance come to us, wherever we are



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[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Another thing that will go away with Free Energy is Genetically Modified Organisms as they are done today. (GMOs)

The main arguments I hear about promoting GMOs are these:
- would solve the problem of world hunger
- are more resistant to harsh environments and insects and so require less "maintenance" costs
- they can be better preserved (again saving on costs)

What you don't hear much in the Main Stream Media is that GMOs will enable a monopoly on seeds and therefore on food. How's that for a perfect racket? (Along with water rights and the racket of all rackets: the energy "production" monopoly).

Food productions (as everything else) is an Energy game: from planting, watering, taking care of the crops, harvesting, transporting and preparing food. All the costs involved are Energy Costs. So with Free Energy the "official reasons" for GMOs become obsolete. This of course results from the fact that FE would make "profit" and "capitalism" relics of the pasts. Every Monsanto employee and stock holders have a lot to win if they think GMOs are they way to go! They stand to lose it all if FE would ever become a reality. Of course, the loss is the loss of an illusion, but they are so focused on it that they fail to see just how much "better" the new paradigm is.

I use the word "better" reluctantly, because it does not do justice to the change. The new paradigm (the Free Energy paradigm) would be virtually unrecognizable and incomparable to what we have today. There is virtually nothing that will not be totally transformed beyond recognition. And I suspect this fear of the new, of loosing your "niche carved in hell" with your "hard work and hard earned money" is why most people simply dismiss Free Energy, or they think that a new gizmo will just "lower their bills"... Yes lower bills is good, no bills is "better", but with FE all this just goes away. Can you imagine your entire life's work, belief systems (religious and scientific) becoming obsolete and you being OK with this? It this thought terrifying you or exciting you? Of course we tend to believe (especially here at Avalon, and I include myself in this) that our beliefs are more "real" and more "correct", that FE would be big change but not THAT big!!! What if it is? Well then... better not having it then... better looking at something else... better hacking at branches... I'd better pay those bills...

Another thing that would become obsolete is brain washing! (with advertising and marketing included here). Yes, there are good people in those departments, but this quote is so very true:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."

They will justify their job, their actions and their product as being valuable. Actually, a good advertiser has to first believe in the product himself before selling it to others! So we have brain washing, starting with self-brain washing in some cases.

This will make no sense with Free Energy whatsoever. Another bunch that will lose their jobs... oh poor economy... so many jobs lost due to this Free Energy thing! How are we going to cope? What will do if can't do my job? Who will I be if the skills I've honed my entire life are now worthless?

Well, I was a bit more dramatic with this post and it was in part triggered by the attached photo. Just imagine if this would make sense when Energy is freely available in abundant quantities?

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[Bob]

Ilie Pandia says:

Hi,

Another thing that will go away with Free Energy is Genetically Modified Organisms as they are done today. (GMOs)

Howdy Ilie Pandia - first time saying hola with you.

GMO

I have followed this from the genetic viral transcription mechanism

Briefly, there is a tie-in I believe directly into Morgellons from the gene vector transfer virus being used to splice in the new gene into the Genetically Modified Organism

Monsanto swears (are their lips moving?) that the transposon virus is totally deactivated, but I have had discussion with a leading UK Virologist, Dr. Vanessa Hill and done my own research on the various transposons being used, that they DO NOT necessarily in-activate after transferring for instance the desired SPIDER TOXIN gene to the plant (to create a natural toxin for instance to certain insects).

So if the VIRUS that cause GENE SPLICING continues to transfer genes, what's the potential that the gene for maybe one of the plan't own characteristics (like lets grow cellulose fibres for instance) transfers over to the person (or cow) eating the GMO. I believe what the potential then is, we get in some cases plant genes being injected into the human or animal by the transposon virus. ONE becomes genetically modified having now "junk DNA" incorporated into ones gene code.

So those things could very well then turn on auto-immune issues, where the body starts to eat itself, trying to get rid of the newly injected foreign genes. And off we go, non-stop allergies, MS, Lupus, Mogellons..

Letting these viral transposons out in the wild is horrendous, irresponsible and worrisome.

Bob

(PS I am thinking of asking Dr. Hill to join the Forum, she is local UK)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Bob,

I understand your concerns and I have similar thoughts on the matter but I don't want to debate the GMOs on this specific thread :). Let's save it for another discussion.

The thread is about how our world/reality would change if Free Energy would be brought to the mix and I think that GMOs will go away once the profit margin is taken out of it.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Ilie is doing exactly what I hoped people would begin to do, which is take my ideas and run with them. When I see posts like Ilie’s latest here, it makes me think that the days when I can become superfluous to this task are not all that far off.

Yes, the profit motive and other “impulses” are so deeply baked into the human psyche that they are truly invisible to the masses, and when people have all of their unproductive reactions to the idea of free energy (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0 ), I have found that their reactions have very little to do with the reality of a free energy based world, or what new problems free energy would present, or what transition strategies might work or not, but they are instead defending their beliefs, “impulses” and survival strategies from the “threat” of free energy, which would make them all obsolete. As I work on my essay, I have been giving a great deal of thought to life before and after the previous epochal events of the human journey:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=674575&viewfull=1#post674575

In many ways, the contrast of life and thought before and after the events was dramatic, mind-bogglingly so. Take the third one, the Domestication Revolution. Not only were the means of production vastly different (sedentary farmers versus roaming hunters), and living conditions (sleeping under the stars versus sleeping in a bed under a roof), but domesticating plants and animals led to cities, professions, monumental architecture, writing, smelted metal, and the like, which would have been incomprehensible to roaming hunter-gatherers. The Industrial Revolution was another event that led to a world that would be incomprehensible to people of a few hundred years ago. Machines, flight, electricity, going to the moon, women and slaves liberated, exotic materials, the Internet – all of it would have been incomprehensible to a peasant of 1600 England, where the Industrial Revolution was born. It is only in the last century that theories regarding what makes the Sun work have been developed. Plate tectonics, which dictates how life’s playing field changes on Earth, has only been accepted as a concept in my lifetime.

The transition to a free energy based economy would dwarf those previous epochal transitions, even though we have shows such as Star Trek that can give us a hint. A free energy economy would mark the end of scarcity, and the epoch of abundance would be upon us. Almost every way that people think and act today is conditioned by scarcity and fear. The paradigms that abundance would bring into being are not only mind-boggling, but the emotional changes, where people do not live under a cloud of fear, would truly be incomprehensible to people of today.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming

The changes would be so pervasive that I can barely imagine them, and I have been living with the ideas for most of my life. Ideas such as crime and punishment would largely disappear. Hunger, poverty, greed, money, weaponry, status goods, and many other aspects of human existence that are considered human “nature” or indelible aspects of the human journey could evaporate in the winds of change and become as obsolete as stone tools. Many science fiction shows simply project today’s problems into the future, such as scarcity, elites, pollution, warfare (over scarce resources), and do not even glimpse the epochal changes that free energy could provide, even when they posit that free energy might be part of humanity’s future. As with the other events, we truly cannot imagine all of the changes that free energy could bring, but what is a no-brainer is understanding that abuse, pollution, scarcity, mining Earth’s surface, exploiting ecosystems to wrench energy from them, and so on would quickly be seen as primitive and obsolete. I think that some basic principles will take root, and become as self-evident to the inhabitants of a free energy based world as the idea today that we all need to eat. Some of the basic tenets that will be obvious to everybody, even children, will be:

1. There is enough for everybody;

2. No life forms need to be exploited to meet human needs (or minimally, but even then, symbiotic relationships can be created);

3. Abusing other people for self-gratification becomes increasingly unthinkable;

4. Violence, wars, exploitation, and the like become unthinkable, or if thought about, are seen like cavemen’s clubs are – relics of a bygone era;

And I am sure that Ilie can add to that list. :)

Best,

Wade

[Bob]

Not debating - just saying with free energy appearing there will be no need to put VIRUSes into the environment.[COLOR="red"]

peace and blessings

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Bobd, calm down :) Nobody is chastising you :) It is very easy to misunderstand or be misunderstood on the topic of Free Energy. We are like children exploring new possibilities. With the advent of Free Energy all those misunderstandings of what comes in or goes away with it will be things of the past. People will adapt to it given some quality time for themselves to improve on their integrity. We are capable to do that :)

I can see it like internet abundance and computer use. There were computers before internet. But small minority used them (aka "nerds" ;)). Those first computer users were necessary to develop internet. And when deployed few saw any benefit for its use. With time more and more people begin to comprehend how awesome internet is. And developed the skill to use computers necessary to use internet all by themselves. Look how many people use computers everyday? And the most ubiquitous of computer types are mobile phones. My point is this: skill of computer use is the integrity necessary to use free energy of internet :)

Nowadays, even people who restrained their entire lives from using computers can learn it with ease. Children learn it "in the cradle". It took ~40 years to bring computers use into mainstream use. Integrity and free energy, will ride on this wave even faster imho... < 10 years? :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

I wish FE could happen that fast. There are some key differences between the FE and Internet analogy. With the Internet, there were some cognitive skills needed, but the “nerds” made computers easier to use so that anybody could do it. The Internet was developed by being subsidized by the USA’s government. While there is spying, censorship, and a taking over by commercial interests (similar to how radio was originally a public good, to be totally privatized), the Internet is still a pretty public good, which is why I plan to use it like nobody has done before. But FE has been purposefully suppressed for over a hundred years by the world’s most powerful people. One was promoted, one has been suppressed.

The bigger issue, however, is integrity. People have had the opportunity to develop and use integrity since the earliest days of the human journey. If mystical material such as Michael’s is to be believed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

or Ra’s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#ra

the reason why we are here is to act without integrity (create that negative karma), and learn from the consequences of our actions (pay that karma back). There have been beacons of integrity over the millennia, and they usually became religious figures:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#infinite

In a world of scarcity, the consequences of acting with integrity can be severe (such as being nailed to a cross, or Dennis’s preposterous journey http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis), so almost nobody does it of any consequence, and because FE is a quadrillion dollar technology for starters:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion

almost nobody can handle the idea of FE, much less pursue it for long before they fall off the rails in one way or another. That is why this is a conundrum.

To get this back on topic, what else becomes obsolete with FE and abundance? And this may be the entire crux of the issue: acting without integrity becomes obsolete. If the purpose of being here is acting without integrity, then making it obsolete may make the entire purpose of being here obsolete. That may seem like a silly idea, but I have regularly seen it in mystical material, I get so-called “mystical” people telling me that all the time, and when I have been involved in FE efforts myself, I have had to wonder if that was the source of resistance that everybody manifested: it would make our kill-or-be-killed world obsolete. If that is the case, then I want to live where kill-or-be-killed is not the name of the game, if there is such a place. I consider it very likely that we are in a situation where anything but kill-or-be-killed is instantly avoided because it would remove our souls’ opportunity for growth. Again, if this is the best that the Creator could come up with for growing souls, then I have many suggestions to make.

But it is also very possible that kill-or-be-killed is a transitory game that some souls (such as ours) have played for reasons that none of us Earthly personalities are aware of (oh, the joy :) ), and we can leave behind scarcity, kill-or-be-killed, and those other “wonderful” games. I consider this future Earth to be a real one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

where anybody on Earth today can choose to incarnate into in a future life. But the ticket of admission is love. I believe that love is the energy of creation, and that we are here to learn about love, and love and FE are joined at the hip in more than one way:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

Love and fear are mutually exclusive, it seems to me, so love makes fear obsolete. Will FE and abundance make all fear obsolete, make greed obsolete, make acting without integrity obsolete? I kind of doubt it. However, today, greed, fear, and acting without integrity (AKA the dark path http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving) run the show on Earth today, and those dynamics are destroying Earth’s surface, and are rapidly making it uninhabitable by complex life. So, instead of greed, fear, and evil-mindedness running the show, they will become fringe behaviors, a kind of throwback to an earlier, primitive time that are engaged in by very few, and they will not be able to secretly engage in such behaviors to the detriment of society, but when they engage in such behaviors, they will be treated for it, like a medical problem, not something to be punished.

Time to get back to writing the essay.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I've just been sent the animation below and it's actually one of those things deeply backed in us that will go away with Free Energy. Enjoy!

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[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

It is a good thing that every "actor" in that cartoon had white skin! :)

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The quest for Free Energy is a scam.

Why? Because it implies that there some energy that is not free... that is has a "cost". But a "cost" in exactly what?, I ask... in other energy? In circles we go.

If you consider the latest findings of quantum mechanics, then there is nothing out there but energy! Matter, as we usually think of it, is nowhere to be found.

My hand, typing this, is not actually touching the keys. It's just a buzzing energy pattern interacting with other energy patterns.

So this energy acts as if it "needs" other energy patterns in order to "grow" and "develop". Energy feeding on energy?

There is this grand illusion that I need something that I do not have access to so I need to "pay" someone, to give "it" to me...

But at a quantum level, is the one that needs stuff really separate from the one that gives? Aren't boundaries really a convenient made up thing?

The more you look, the deeper you look, your realize there is nothing but energy and a miraculous/mysterious way to perceive that energy is.

So how can energy ever be free? Or have a cost? What would you use to pay for energy if energy is all there is?

Isn't all this like being on the ocean fighting for a cup of water? Actually more like being a wave in the ocean trying to find some "free water" to pay your dues!

Do humans need energy? It seems that way.... But does Life need energy? I am not so sure... If Life continues to go on even after this energy pattern has disintegrated, then perhaps Life needs energy just as a child needs sand to build its temporary worlds out of.

So I am feeling a bit odd today, chasing this ever elusive so called "Free Energy", when in fact it seems that it was all energy to being with.

What if the chasing stopped? What if we suddenly realize we are already in an ocean of energy, and it was this chase for the "free one" that kept us from seeing this.

What if I am the free energy I've been looking for? What then?

Wouldn't that make this entire reality obsolete? :) Wouldn't that be "game over" for this world of sand?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Getting provocative today, are we? :) Great post, young man.

A scientist would likely not disagree that the only thing in the universe is energy, and that everything that seems to be something else is an “emergent” property of energy. My view is that there are only two things in this universe: energy and consciousness. Consciousness has been removed from consideration by kind of a sleight of hand by scientists (as consciousness made that decision!), but the greatest physicists did not buy it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#schroedinger

While a scientist (a White Scientist, that is) would agree that it is all energy, as far as we can see, there is also the idea that it is all dispersing into infinity, so energy will eventually all fall to such a dispersed level that the universe has some kind of heat death into oblivion. That is one way that White Scientists look at it, but I sure don’t. But the idea that for energy to be usable there needs to be more of it in one place than another, so that “work” can be done by taking advantage of the differential between those two energy levels, is the crux of the energy issue that scientists face.

I believe that at its root, love is the energy of creation, and that the name of the game here is to learn about love. When that accomplishment is achieved, maybe it will be game over for this reality, but maybe not. These folks live in daily love at levels that we can barely imagine here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

but they seem to find plenty to do, and none seem to be Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

Maybe they are not done yet, or “done” may mean graduating to higher levels of manifesting love here and elsewhere. I sure don’t have the answer, but it makes for a nice story. :)

The “quest” for energy security is a game that has been played on Earth since life began, and the FE quest could be seen as more of the same, but if that need was fulfilled at a level where nobody had to worry about it again, what next? I think that the fun could be in moving toward that Roads-ian world and beyond, to Level 19. I would like to see us turn the corner to where the road ahead was an exploration of fun and love, where we did not always have our toes out over the edge of the cliff.

In the big picture, I consider it very likely that Godzilla is performing a divine function here, keeping us mired in scarcity and fear until we decide to reach within and find our power and love, and not look elsewhere for it. I doubt that we will all become Level 19s overnight, but I think that the personal empowerment that comes with enlightenment has been the missing piece of all FE efforts so far. Heck, it has been missing from all human endeavors so far, so we see the games that we see and play our part in.

That you are thinking boldly about the energy issue is very good work, as that is the crux of what is happening. Who has energy, who doesn’t, and why? Those are truly the big issues on the planet right now, and the more that people grapple with the issue in their minds and hearts, the closer we will be to turning the corner.

Back to work.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Scarcity as a motivation for innovation

This post will start out as somewhat opposed to the topic of this thread, but I think it is a concept worth looking at, since it's buried really deep inside our minds.

As you may know, one of my biggest passions in life has been computer programming. And even today I marvel at the latest developments in speed and technique, and I appreciate the evolution that has happened from writing really low level machine code to almost "writing software" via a drag-and-drop interface.

The virtual explosion of processing power and storage capability has had a huge impact on the way that people write code. This also shows how higher energy availability has contributed big time to changing the paradigm in the IT world.

But now I want to look at something else..

Not so long ago the processing power and the available memory were very scarce and very expensive. Just to give you an example: today, my keyboard has a better processor and a larger memory than my first computer had.

So, because high speed CPUs were expensive and RAM (memory) was not very large, the programers had to write code in a very specific way! It was NOT enough just to solve a problem, you had to strive for the most efficient solution in terms of cycles required to get there and the amount of memory you were using.

This strong limitation has been a great source of innovation in computer science. Faster algorithms were developed and concepts like "caching" have been implemented to help speed things along.

When I have started writing code we were actually counting the bytes to make sure we did not "lose" any along the way. Today, I know very few developers who concern themselves with either speed or memory usage efficiency. Most programmers consider the memory to be infinite.

The point I am making here is that scarcity was a strong motivation to do better, to find solutions that worked around these limitations. I have recently discovered, at a deeper level still, that we are addicted to scarcity because IT WORKS! It has worked for us in the past so we assume it will work for us in the future as well! Scarcity provides a "challenge" for the mind to overcome. Scarcity provides a game to be played. When you look at it in this way there is no wonder we are addicted to it. It's all we know, and it has served us in the past.

The questions then arises: if scarcity becomes obsolete, what will drive us? if wars become obsolete (arguably the force being a most of inventions) what else will stimulate our creativity? The "text book" answer is LOVE, but what does that mean? Do we know how to do this "LOVE" thing? Does it even work? I mean.... we know scarcity works... we have a history with it, but do we know if love works? I mean really KNOW, not just read about it in some book.

I'd have to admit, that if I am to look at myself as an example, so far I have gotten the greatest satisfaction by finding ingenious solutions to scarcity related problems. The more limited the resources the higher the satisfaction! Isn't this strange? If am to be honest with myself I never do things out of "love" or "pure joy", I do them because there is a challenge, because there is a limit waiting to be worked around... So then, what would happen to me and my passion for writing code in an abundant world? Will THAT become obsolete? It's my niche carved in hell also? Am I also ready for change as long as everybody changes but me?

It's pretty rough to consider that your hard earned skills may become useless overnight in abundant society. And I have to say that I do understand those that resist it! How will software development look in a FE world? Will it still be there or it will become obsolete? And if it will go away... then what happens with my passion for it? What will I do? What shall I be?

I know there are some answers to these questions, but even so, I think these are questions that are running deep in most of us. And we need to look at them and seriously consider if we are ready for the kind of changes that an abundance paradigm would bring in our lives. Even if it may threaten our perceived "identity" and "purpose" on this planet.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

You are bringing up highly important issues. Yes, each of us will have to go deep to wrestle with them.

Devoting effort to carving out our niches in a world of scarcity has literally been the name of the game of life on Earth since the very beginning. About the only exceptions were when a new environment became available to be exploited, and then there was a “golden age” of profligate reproduction until the biome was filled under the then-current energy regime. Those never lasted long. After the Permian Extinction, for instance, there was virtually only one land animal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lystrosaurus#Dominance_of_the_Early_Triassic

as the land was cleared of everything else. Then came the competition and the easy days were over, and back came the struggle for existence. Scarcity, particularly energy scarcity, as a pressure to spur life to innovate and problem-solve, has been a universal “motivator” all the way to the present day. When the lystrosaurus was the lord of Earth, or during the golden age of the hunter-gatherer when humans spread to three virgin continents with their irresistible toolset, or when Europeans conquered those very same continents and wiped out the indigenous people many thousands of years later, a glimpse of “abundance” could be briefly experienced.

The argument can definitely be made that we “need” scarcity to keep us “sharp,” and a Darwinist might agree. However, the past does not need to be the future, and I would hesitate to call scarcity an ideal state. Humans, being the social animal and allegedly “sentient” species, have already made unprecedented evolutionary changes, such as the domestication of the dog and its many varieties, from the wolf.

Can we get past scarcity, should we, and who wants to? Even during those brief “golden ages,” nothing has come remotely close to the relative abundance that industrialized civilization has enjoyed, and the pace of change and potential is truly unprecedented. What if scarcity, competition, and fear became obsolete? Would our souls stop growing, or would we find horizons that we can scarcely imagine today?

Think about what might motivate people in this world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

I’ll bet that they are highly motivated, but not by scarcity. Nobody feels “lost” in that world, or useless, etc. Comparing their lives to ours might seem silly, but I think that it can be a highly useful exercise to just imagine what a day in the life of one of those people might be like (in fact, I threatened to do just that, but have yet to get around to it).

I hear you, in that if programmers see CPU speed and RAM as abundant, they may not program very efficiently. However, time will never be abundant, not in this dimension. I read, not long ago, a lesson that Bill Gates learned from Warren Buffet, if I am recalling the people accurately. The lesson was that no matter how much money you have, you cannot buy back spent time. With FE and abundance, our life expectancies will likely go way up, but even then, there will be only so many heartbeats while we are here. So, I see that wasting time would still be a “scarcity” motivator even with FE, although the pressures would be tiny compared to today. It is a great investment of the soul to incarnate a personality here, and wasting a life is not something that a soul wants to do. At higher levels of awareness, however, nothing is wasted, as all experience is valuable.

As Zoosh once said, the ideal here is about 99% light and 1% darkness, as a spur for growth. The problem here is that darkness runs the show, and it is up to all of us to solve it, if we really want to. I think that in a world of FE and abundance, people will not spend time on activities that do not bring them joy, and joy will be had in making sure that all creatures are well. I think that that will be a baseline, and when that is taken care of and maintained, what might humans focus on? What would motivate them? I submit that we can barely imagine what that might be. Imagine a world without fear. I’ll bet that there would be quite an inner and outer world to be explored by such people, and I would certainly like to give it a try. :) I doubt that anybody in that world knows boredom.

I truly think that if there was nothing to fear, and that nobody would need to worry about being “unemployed” or homeless or hungry, that there would be a new octave of being awaiting us. But, as you know, humanity fears the unknown, because they feel that they will “lose.” Understanding people’s fears, and the way that scarcity has shaped all aspects of our existences, is required, I think, in order to really understand what abundance means. That is part of the heavy lifting that the “choir” will need to do.

If you step back and think about this, what incredible subject matter. I sure don’t get bored, and I know that FE technology already exists on the planet. The tools to bring about that world, where we have to deal with the “problems” of abundance, are already here. It only awaits enough of us manifesting sufficient personal integrity and awareness. It should be easy, right? :)

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Illie, scarcity of Love is a challenge too :) The way i understand Love is through service to others and finding/creating ways to most efficiently and ethically provide it and take personal joy and satisfaction from providing it selflessly :)

Love (or service to others) requires a sacrifice of expending your personal energy. Time, matter, matter transport and transforming matter into electromagnetism directly using your body or augmenting it's force output with tools requiring energy too. Since all our personal energy must first be acquired at "a cost", such a sacrifice, in an assumed state of scarcity, is a big challenge to most of us... Leading to amplification of scarcity assumption. And stabilization of the system. A negative feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback) loop.

With the advent of free energy that self limitation of Love should be easier to overcome. A positive feedback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback) loop should become operational.

There is still going to be darkness to Lighten up even in The Free Energy World. It is an aspect of free will and it has apparently nothing to do with "outside" energy (Love) abundance. Rather it is a matter of resistance against letting sunshine inn. It is up to an individual personality to make the choice. You can always ask them to (or pray for them). Until they magically change their mind. According to some channeled material destiny of all the planets, and then all of the Universe is a state called Light and Life. Ie. everything and every creature and every personality becomes perfect. As perfect as The Creator is. Pure energy. Lots of it :)

But first we have some cleanup at hand down here :) Sorry if i traveled too far into "mysty" land...

[Ilie Pandia]

I am going through a strange period right now and I struggle with concepts like service to self and service to others.

In my view those are completely irrelevant in an abundant society. In that world everybody serves themselves and in doing so they serve the other as well. There is no distinction between the two. There are no more victims and no more messiah. Even someone like Wade would be completely out of place in that world (if he were to do what he does today).

A FE world would be totally different and the motivation behind doing anything may actually be incomprehensible to us right now. (It is at least to me).

That is my current view, but is still developing so I can't have a more "in dept" talk about it until I "sit with is" some more :).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I respect the struggle. The ideas of service to self, service to others, karma, and the like are big, multifaceted issues. It really takes a long time to be immersed in those issues for them to begin to make sense, although the Golden Rule is the still the one that matters. Everything else is just noise:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#jesus

One way that I have seen service to others described is service to self through service to others, and I think that is a great way to view it. Karma is really just that idea that everything we do, we ultimately do to ourselves, as we are all one. We sow and reap, but it generally happens here across the stretch of lifetimes, with each life having little or no awareness of the others, so cause and effect are not always evident, and that is part of the paradox and cruelty of this plane of existence.

One karmic concept that may make this easier to understand is that of philanthropic karma. It is a karma that is positive for both people. It is a more evolved karma than kill-and-be-killed. I have no doubt that Mr. Professor and I have philanthropic karma, as we do with Dennis. I have been told, by sources that I respect, that we are all here on special assignment, and that voice leading me to both of them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice3

sure makes the idea pretty clear to me, even if I will never get over Mr. Professor’s ruined and prematurely-ended life and don’t want to hear from that voice again. Mr. Professor and I are likely not done with our tasks, but will work together in future lives, and if it is on a world that already has FE and abundance, and I’ll take a lifetime or five on that Roadsy world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

then we will be building more of that philanthropic karma, which I think can be seen as service to self through service to others. And yes, I can imagine that in that world, it is not seen as karma is today in mystical circles on this planet. I think that in that world, if people really needed to channel, it would be far more loving, exalted, and enlightened than the current phenomenon that we see today, as there is so much channeling “distortion” happening through channels mired in scarcity.

If I may be so bold, I highly doubt that the standard mystical stuff that we see today would be all that relevant in that world. The mystical stuff that is on the planet today would be seen in that world as the kindergarten version. Again, I doubt that any of us can really imagine very well what life in that world is like, or what motivates them, but I think is it probably the motivation of love (for self and others), joy, and curiosity. That can sound like Peter Pan, but I think it is real. But it is far from easy to glimpse it in a world where we are constantly battered by scarcity.

No need to get a conversation going on that right now, but it will be subject matter for the choir. It will be the spiritual part of it, but, as always, the economic reality is going to come first. There are no hungry philosophers.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

What I truly appreciate in this thread and on Wade's Healed planet one is what may not be under the definition of ' Energy', but appear to be a must for this important goal Wade is directing at in his complete totality, and that is creative thinking patterns. And this is what Ilie's posts above are about, I identify with it. If we want to move something then we need to change our observation of it, and how can it be done if we don't ask ourselves (and others) some deep meaningful questions. I bet the greatest minds of science work this way even if the final results are strictly leaning on what can be proved or measured, however, it had to start with an innovative questioning mind that wanted to pose an experiment. In order to transform our views and shift our consciousness, besides doing the regular thing we are used to do (an essential part) when learning new stuff and that is going through plenty of material someone else has wrote and thought about, is also to use it as something that will ignite our own curiocity and creativity and see where it fits with our inner 'construct', then be as flexible as possible, not be afraid to change. Ilie, you said something in your post #526 about the will to lose our 'percieved identity', that seems to be the greatest challenge we all have and may be the root of the 'Abundance fright' people have that Wade often talks about, it is the number one 'threat' that we may experience, it may not so much be the notion of the living in abundance itself, but more the need to leave the familar structure that is the current definition of ourselves, our beilieves, our perceptions, and let it all crumble, there is this inner feeling that we might cease to exist as we know ourself. to cease to exist=death. so, that is what may be delaying us from collectively moving forward , as: a) lack of curiocity b) innovative mind of our own c) a will to leave behind 'who we are', become flexible and create something new (the notion of 'death' seems to be an illusion of the mind and the ego but, in effect, is an expension of the self, a re-arrange)

The strength of this thread is that it dares to take us out of our 'structure' and pre-concived ideas of what is and move forward to 'what can' and 'what will' with all the questions and dilemmas associated with it, by this process we are creating the 'future'. time of past present and future may very well be nothing similar to what we think it is, science is unable to have any official stance on 'time' and the Egyptians or whomever tried to define it using a duodecimal system have added to our great complication as programmed human beings, now we are requested to 'throw' our 'percieved identities' and that is a very uncomfortable thing to do and is not in the horizon or vision of most people, the thing that may push us forward is the strong desire and intentions to build something new (new to us, but not so new to others) derive from our complete dissatisfaction from what there is and the explicit threat on our life here, here scarcity do play a role which sums Ilie's post above - ' Scarcity as a motivation or innovation', anyway, just wanted to say thank you Wade for doing all that already and leading us here and Ilie for continuing with the line of thought, and that what came out.

[Ilie Pandia]

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The Niche Carved in Hell

Today someone sent me a motivational article about the difference between the rich and the poor. The author made a good case that it is the difference between creators and victims: creators create their own wealth and victims just complain about their misery and how nothing works for them: they know that it does not work, even if they did not try anything!

I've just finished reading the article and I think to myself: well... he has a good point! He reminded me of Yoda's description of the victim mentality: "Always with you what cannot be done".

However something bothered me in that piece of writing. The author kept praising the system and the rich people for being the ones that create jobs and business that drive the economy, while the poor people only complain about being suppressed and not having the same opportunities. And that is true... but only up to a point...

I had to ask myself: am I now in the process of making excuses for not taking any action about my finances? Am I trying to prove him wrong and I right?

And then it occurred to me: this man is a perfect example of someone defending their niche in hell!

He is a hard working person, intelligent and motivated to take charge of his life and get out of poverty. After a few years of hard work and a long trail of failures, he had succeeded. He had carved his niche in hell and now he teaches others how to do the same.

I am not really criticizing thy guy. Actually I admire his perseverance and ability to find solutions and make it work. But what bothers me is that the process he went through, the process that he teaches others to go through, would be made obsolete in a Free Energy society. He seems now to be transforming from a "self-development nut" into a defender of the system where he makes a living. He dismisses out of had any "conpiratorial stories" or any idea that some poor people are actually taken advantage of. And he has good arguments to! But only from the point of view of his niche where the "poor people" are only those watching TV all day and making excuses and then complaining in a bar how life screwed them over.

So the solution to do well in life is simple but you need to put in the hours: work on your personal development, see yourself as responsible for your life, become a people's person, become a marketing guru, learn all the emotional triggers that you'll need to use when writing your ads and then get out there and make tons of money by using the push buttons that you have discovered most people have: sex, money, fame and self esteem issues!

The problem that I see with this is that it narrows down your "way of life" around working hard for money. You may be a science genius, but if you don't know how to market yourself, chances are you will die poor or be abused or your stuff be stolen from you.

The way I see it, is that in an abundant world this process of carving your niche in hell is completely unnecessary. Yes, you need to take responsibility for your life, you need to start acting as the creator that you are and get out of your victim mode, but don't limit yourself to the narrow band of "I have to make tons of cash, 'cause that's how this system works and once I make my ton of cash I'll defend this system to my grave 'cause it's what puts food on my table."

Once you realize that FE will make profit and marketing obsolete, it becomes clear how the process described above is a niche carved in hell that is then defended.

Having said my piece, as limited as I see it, this process does promote taking charge of your life, but you also need to keep the larger picture in view. Myself (as I assume many others) still work for money, so in that sense I am chiseling away at my own niche.

A quote from Noam Chomsky describes this best:

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

Once you've carved your niche in hell you are very likely to defend it, see it as "right!", the result of good work and most importantly.... you FORGET you are still living in hell and you are very disturbed by anyone trying to remind you of that.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Very perceptive. Yes, that is a classic instance of defending one’s niche. As you also saw, it takes a self-centered tunnel vision to do that. Scarcity encourages that kind of egocentric tunnel vision. All of the dominant scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

have their foot-soldiers who defend the system that feeds them. And as Chomsky says, once the parameters are set (the “framing assumptions”), like a fence around one’s mind, people then believe that they are thinking freely, when they are really imprisoned. Nobody is as thoroughly imprisoned as those who think they are free. Dennis used to say, "Put a man in a big enough cage, and he thinks he is free."

A primary way that the mind-imprisoning works is for all contrary information to be dismissed, usually by not even examining it. For the nationalist, Orwell had a great quote:

"The nationalist does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#orwell

For the capitalist and nationalist, similar atrocity denial is denying that the USA invaded Iraq to get its hands on the oil, even though it has now come out that the oil companies were clamoring to get in on the spoils.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/top-republican-leaders-say-iraq-war-was-really-for-oil.html

http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

And the millions of people that we murdered are totally swept under the carpet, as usual:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=652292&highlight=afghanistan#post652292

The fact that all FE pioneers are wiped out or bought out is one of those “atrocities” that capitalists will dismiss as a “conspiracy theory”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#make

And, actually, every one of those dominant ideologies denies the fact of FE’s existence and suppression, because it collapses their ideology, whether it is capitalism, nationalism, scientism, rationalism, or materialism. An exception could be argued for organized religion, but FE would also collapse their ideologies, because their foundations are scarcity (only Christians go to heaven, of course). That is why I say that with FE, all of those ideologies would become obsolete.

This is an issue of paradigms:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#introduction

Once the reality of FE is admitted, and its rather obvious implications:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

all of those ideologies collapse. Of course, scarcity has been so deeply baked into human awareness that virtually everybody fights against removing it, as they have carved out their niches in hell. All of those people who refuse to admit the reality of FE and its organized suppression, or even be willing to snoop into it a little, are called ideologues. Ideologues can’t allow contrary information into their minds, or else their ideology would be threatened:

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/ideologue

and Mark Twain remarked on that nationalist phenomenon:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#twain

Of course, Twain and Orwell were both censored by the "free press":

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#twain

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#orwell

Unfortunately and ironically, the rad lefties are ideologues, too, but their ideological assumptions are more subtle. Scientism, rationalism, and materialism are seductive ideologies that have actually trapped Uncle Noam, I am sorry to say:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#subtle

Led by Uncle Noam, structuralists of the rad left have an ideological aversion to the idea of organized suppression, dismissing it as a “conspiracy theory.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#conscious

Similarly, mainstream scientists dismiss FE as being “contrary to the laws of physics,” and also dismiss organized suppression as a “conspiracy theory,” and can never get out of their armchairs long enough to actually check anything out:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#circular

So, when FE is mentioned, the knee-jerk capitalists, nationalists, and religious immediately go to Level 1 and stay there:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

The more thoughtful “progressives” usually end up in Level 2:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level2

And the real “smart” ones, the rad lefties, scientists, and academics, end up in Level 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3

and they tend to be the most dug in, as they have invested so much of their mental energy in building their houses of cards (and they live in those houses, as those houses feed them).

People can argue that conspiracists got past all of that, but not really. What they have in common with the structuralists is their victim-oriented view of the world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness

It took many years of my journey, and banging on all the doors, before I could see what all of those reactions had in common: fear and scarcity. With love and abundance, those ideologies all collapse or, as I like to say, they become obsolete, which is the theme of this thread.

While I have immense respect for the hero’s path, there are not enough people on the planet today with the right stuff for that approach to work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

Again, I am not looking for heroes, but sentient lambs who can “merely” imagine abundance in a world of scarcity, and it is far, far harder than people might think. I have almost never encountered anybody who could, as they dragged their scarcity-based, victim-oriented perspective with them. We have to let them go if we are going to get there. We can’t drag our scarcity-based baggage with us to a world of abundance. We have to think like creators, not victims, in order to make FE manifest, and creators create with love.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Wade,

Your big picture is really huge and it's very difficult to keep in ones mind at all times.

There are so many levels of awakening and awareness. You become aware of something and you think you've got it. You think that now you see the big picture, only to realize later on that your prison got slightly larger but it's still there. I feel like I've learned so much in these last few years and yet there are days when I feel just as trapped and limited as before.

I am writing mostly about myself here as I keep getting caught and charmed back into the scarcity paradigm: "Yes, having a healed planet is a worthy goal that would benefit everyone, but until that happens you need money! And to get money you need to do this and that... no time for idle imaginings or fantasy reading! That may be useful in some future, but not now! Not in this system!". And back I go, taking my shovel, carving at my niche... "Once you have your niche carved... only THEN you can think of Free Energy and basically making obsolete everything you've worked so hard for!" :)

Imagining abundance, keeping it ones mind, thinking in Energy terms and trying to understand how a Free Energy world may work is really difficult to do. I did not believe it be so a few years back, but now I know it to be so after working at it.

Luckily for me, I usually remember to ask: How would this be different if Energy would not be an issue? Would I still do this? If yes, how would it work? What would others think and do? What would motivate them?

Most of the time that question brings the Free Energy perspective back!

So Wade, your posts on the forum are a necessary reminder and they are appreciated :). At this point, it seems to me, that repetition in abundance thinking and imagining is required in order to dislodge and clear the scarcity conditioning.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I am replying to your latest over here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=757866&viewfull=1#post757866

so as to not pollute this thread with other stuff.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Since I can say what i want to in this thread, with no disturbance of another thread:

What we need is not one, not two, not ten, not 20 not 100, but a few thousand Free energy warriors, who will put it all on the line, regardless of personal cost.

I'm getting to the point that I'm not as worried about weaponization of said systems/methods/understandings... as much as I used to be.

Humanity will balance it self out, it will have no choice.

All it takes to change the world for the rest of all human existence and potential, is a few thousand humans. Not millions of dead, not untold millions dying in wars, not untold millions dying from cancer and disease, not untold millions subjugated into mystery from cradle to grave..which is what we have today and for the foreseeable future...but a few thousand humans who will put it all on the line.


When this is known to be the equation, that we cannot go forward due to the lack of willingness in humans, that is always the most difficult to take. To watch these people burn themselves down, in every way, on every day, and never see it, to never see what misery they give themselves.

All for the lack of awareness and strength in a few thousand humans.

Eg, one can look at all the threads on this forum, and see it as a microcosm.

And in those threads, their very existence, their very idea of being, in them...we see the inability to understand that the one thing, FE, makes all of those mental positions and projections obsolete.

ONE thing does that, just the one single thing. It breaks all logjams, all blocks, all barriers. in it, all change and all motion is given and takes place.

Yet it sits there, untouched.

And people wonder why we have a 'secret space program' and a 'separate breakaway civilization.'

The real question is why wouldn't we?!?!?!

If one cannot make the leap, then the leap will make/create itself....and walk away from you.

Why expect anything else?

Oh yeah, that's why. The mind does not make the leap. It contains not the directive, nor the inclination.

Why is this happening? Where did humanity's genius go? It got siphoned off into that 'dark ops' hole... and the rest that remain.. are killed off.

[Wade Frazier]

Carmody:

I am sorry, but there are virtually no free energy “warriors” worth two cents. Been there, done that. Nobody wants to really hang it out there, except Dennis and the very few like him.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

People approach me with “I know a bunch of underground warriors waiting for a cause!” and other nonsense. A bunch of anonymous cowards are not going to get it done.

That is why I am doing plan B.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

This animated video uses the concept of "enough" to describe abundance. It seems like the word "abundance" may be one of the many words that is either "poisoned" (a word is nearly destroyed in the normal lexicon, often into deliberate Orwellian doublespeak), or carries baggage (connotations that are not accurate, but get attached anyway.) I find that when I speak of abundance, the perception is often distorted beyond "enough for all" to "gluttonous and unlimited" - like an obese American at an all you can eat buffet filling doggie bags, pockets, and purse, after eating all that could possibly be stuffed in.

This is not really "technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy" but flows from Ilie's profound and honest words.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPVrr44KHI

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Dennis,

Most (if not all) of the concepts in the video you've posted would also be rendered obsolete with the use of Free Energy.

As far as I can understand, the "indigenous life style" is a romantic myth. Human population, left to its own devices, have always wrecked nature leading to species extinctions and desertification. There was never any kind of sustainable balance between man and nature and I don't think that is even possible without Free Energy, simply because without it, man would have to live at the expense of nature.

The indigenous life style looks awesome to us, because the indigenous people have been denied access to modern technology (except for alcohol and tobacco) and the rate at witch they destroy parts of nature is invisible when compared to the rate at which we are doing it. But they do not have sustainable practices either. They also live in scarcity. They may take a few hundred years to trash a place and that looks "in balance" to them because it does not happen in their life times, while we do it in 5-10 years and so it's a bit more obvious.

The indigenous people also need energy for their life styles and without Free Energy they will wrench that out of nature. I've seen movies and read stories about them being in balance with nature, but so far history does not seem to support that with the evidence available. Where humans appeared... trouble was not long behind.

[Rocky_Shorz]

according to the blue dude, Yolanda was an engineered storm meant to kill 10s of millions pounding into Asia...

it was tempered by humans, far more powerful than any ET/Black ops technology

there is no breakaway of the gifted they are staying to heal the damage from those leaving to an off world prison...

earth is a paradise compared to where they are going, trapped in an enclosure for the rest of their lives.

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi Dennis,

Most (if not all) of the concepts in the video you've posted would also be rendered obsolete with the use of Free Energy.

As far as I can understand, the "indigenous life style" is a romantic myth. Human population, left to its own devices, have always wrecked nature leading to species extinctions and desertification. ... ... ...

Where humans appeared... trouble was not long behind.
Excellent points, Ilie. It makes me realize that I have levels and levels to break through before I can discard the romantic notions and truly see scarcity-based thinking...much less practice abundance-based thinking.

Dennis

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie and Dennis:

This issue of indigenous people and living in harmony with nature is one near and dear to me. The beginning of my studies of the subject started with the 500th anniversary celebration of Columbus’s magnificent feat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

and I have spent long years in studying what happened to the world’s indigenous people when Europe arose and conquered them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before

I had to go deeply regarding Europe’s crimes against the world, and what a truly devastating tale to digest. However, in the past decade, I have been doing a great deal of study of anthropology, environmental studies, and the like, and I eventually realized that the natives were idealized (or demonized) in many ways. They were in no way as greedy, ruthless, and vicious as Europeans, which is largely why Europe conquered the world, but during the entire time of conquest, annihilation, recovery, and study, white people continually projected their stuff onto indigenous people.

The indigenous people were people, first and foremost, but there have been no true Golden Ages of the human past. The only times there were relative Golden Ages were when new biomes were exploited with new energy techniques, such as when agriculture came to the Eastern Woodlands. Historically, village life is when women had the most equality with men (at least until the Industrial Revolution), and that situation is partly what made the “savages” of North America so attractive to Europeans, as well as their relative freedom and relatively unspoiled woodlands. That was why running off and “going native” was an epidemic problem among the invading Europeans.

There were “sustainable” practices among the world’s indigenous people, but that is a very relative thing, and it was never anything like abundance. Where I live, salmon runs fed the villages, and the Pacific Ocean’s bounty meant that the natives of North America’s West Coast never had to engage in agriculture. Agriculture was likely adopted by people only when forced to due to population pressures. But the Pacific Northwest culture engaged in slavery, fought its neighbors, and the like. The Eastern Woodland villages had to move every generation, as they would burn up all of the firewood in the vicinity. Given enough time and the resultant population pressures that agriculture produces, that “Golden Age” would have eventually ended.

The Chumash developed an integrated economy, and enjoyed it for centuries before the Spaniards arrived to destroy it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#serra

and one might actually call it sustainable, but all such civilizations were subject to the vagaries of weather, sporadic intertribal violence, and the like. If you could be transported there, you would not have liked it much, maybe calling it a nice place to visit, but not someplace that you would want to call home. Studies of village life before Western contact, such as the New Guinea Highlands, have shown how brutal and harsh their lives were. A man venturing into another village’s territory could expect to be summarily killed.

The hunter-gatherer phase of human existence is its most proportionately violent, with about a third of all men dying violently. Finds such as the ice man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman#Theories_involving_struggle_followed_by_cold_death

show death by violence (or mass murders, maybe mass “sacrifice” to appease the weather gods, as has been found in European bogs, the cache of children’s skeletons at the base of Tenochtitlan’s temple, etc. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/08/pictures/120829-aztec-sacrifice-templo-mayor-bones-archaeology/; child sacrifice was common http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice_in_pre-Columbian_cultures ). Women were stolen by neighboring bands in the hunter-gather phase. With the Inuit, those charming people, a strange man in a band’s range was assumed to be looking for women to steal, and would be summarily killed with no questions asked.

There is plenty of evidence that humans of the Western Hemisphere lived in relative harmony with their environments, but that is relative. The first humans exterminated all the big animals soon after arrival, and they killed off all the candidates for draft animals. Horses, donkeys, camels, and elephants all thrived in the Western Hemisphere until humans arrived:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_extinction_event#North_America

Civilizations such as the Anasazi and Mayans did not ascend, but they collapsed due to overtaxing their environments, with epics droughts delivering the final blows.

Whether it was the Hurons and Mohawks, the Maoris, or Hawaiians, as soon as Europeans arrived with their weaponry, the natives used them to slaughter and conquer each other. Take Kamehameha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I

He was just some big bastard who saw his opportunity to conquer his neighbors when European military technology and techniques arrived. So, he became some kind of revered figure. No different than any other greedy and power-hungry potentate, with this harem, etc. If a peasant’s shadow fell on Hawaiian royalty, the penalty was death, and Hawaiians lived in the most idyllic environs of all pre-industrial peoples.

This kind of stuff is common when you begin the studies. To Ilie’s point, yes, humans have never lived abundantly, and rarely sustainably. There are many romantic fantasies projected onto earlier times and peoples, but if you want to find a happy, idyllic period of the human past, you are going to look in vain. There have been relatively nice moments when humans recently settled the lands, and there were not as yet great population pressures, such as in the Caribbean and Hawaii, but they were always relatively short-lived. This will be a topic of my essay.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Carmody:

I am sorry, but there are virtually no free energy “warriors” worth two cents. Been there, done that. Nobody wants to really hang it out there, except Dennis and the very few like him.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

People approach me with “I know a bunch of underground warriors waiting for a cause!” and other nonsense. A bunch of anonymous cowards are not going to get it done.

That is why I am doing plan B.

Best,

Wade

Say what you want Wade, it is not their end point or their internal directive I'm interested in.

I'm interested in the final result of all that pressure into the system, nothing more.

You can ask and hope for it to be as clean or as perfected as you want (as a shift/act/motion/change), but that will never happen. There is going to be some aspect of messiness to it, under the best of circumstances.

So I opt for plan A, Plan B, and Plan C through Z, all happening at the same time.

Maximum pressure. Whatever it takes to get it done. The pressure and energies required to break through the shell will still be what they are and all the idealization in the world cannot prevent the physical and fundamental aspects of such a thing.

Do not mistake my ideals and thoughts being different than yours or all you have proposed through communication. I believe in that idealization and motion toward an act (self propelled by those who read, etc), but it will never be on it's own and it will never be the core point of initiation or act.

It can be part of the origins, as a flavoring source point (as any component will be), but it will not be the core of the actual acts themselves, as their basis in beginnings. The human race is too diverse for that.

[Wade Frazier]

Carmody:

I have been on the front lines, and there are not enough “heroes” on Earth for the approach that you advocate to work, and all that it has accomplished is shattered and prematurely-ended lives, and a bunch of martyrs. You are welcome to go try other approaches, but I am finished with what does not work. I am trying something different, and this is not the thread to advocate the hero’s approach:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#hero

or the other kinds of off-topic posts that you make. You are welcome to start some “looking for heroes” thread.

Thanks,

Wade

[Carmody]

The approach will build itself. Putting a face on it is what will make it fail. Putting a face on it and discussing it, will bring it into being. Both true and false.

I advocate your method, I advocate mine. Like the line 'I don't care what they say about me, as long as they say about me'. Fundamentally, I have no set method.

I know all about front lines and this is not a urination contest. (nor am i saying that you think it is.)

I simply, reasonably, refuse to tell people or even propose to people that they shut down their efforts and move into your ideas and proposed avenue, as a sole enterprise. That is not logical, or possible.

There are 7 billion people out there, and even if you narrow it down to a few prime million of enactors and enablers, it will still roll out in a complex multitude of different scenarios, even in what you might find to be the best possible version of your vision.

And the rest, those that do not follow your vision, are actually the ones who enable - yours. (As you enable theirs). It can be no other way.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Not being limited by energy "budgets" (and thus matter and time "budgets") anybody curious enough to peel off another reality layer, will be able to left behind idle arm chair disputes (or computer simulations) and get their hands dirty :)

[mosquito]

....
When you asked “Am I ready to accept abundance, joy and well being, not only for my dear ones, but for my perceived "enemies" as well? Am I ready to forgive or do I still have vengeful thoughts and I am just waiting to be powerful enough so can show 'em who's boss?...” ...it reminded me of what I often find myself thinking – that a lot of anger is really just love that became blocked. Love that was rejected, love that was betrayed, love that was never even recognised, love that was afraid to show itself for fear of the consequences. Not being recognised for our talents, our sacrifice, our good intentions – and being made to feel like we should be tough enough not to care – results in us burying these wounds so they are relegated to a place where they can end up getting the better of us subconsciously, making the wounds harder to mend.
....

Boy oh boy did I need to read that today ! You are a treasure Melinda. ;)

[Melinda]

Boy oh boy did I need to read that today ! You are a treasure Melinda. ;)

Thank you mariposafe. I’m so pleased it resonated at a good moment! And how wonderful you’ve shared it - it’s much appreciated :)

Haven’t caught up with this thread yet, but looking forward to it . . .

[Joseph McAree]

Hi Ilie,

I felt I had to read through all the posts on this thread before I responded, first of all I apologies for not replying sooner but I just picked up on the thread a week ago and since then have returned to read them all.

This has been a great read and well worth the time it took to read as the you first posted the starting thread for this in September 2011 and it now has 28 pages of entries pretty big subject and I thank you for raising awareness of how people think about the effects of a free energy product being given to the people.

I have been thinking about this and most of the areas have been covered eloquently by many of the forum members, including yourself of course Illie yours have been among those I enjoyed the most, with Wade chipping in his comments and it's amazing how he can remember all those things he has written about and connects you to them, I read his full essays which again takes some doing and I await his next installment I am taking a vacation when it hits so I can take it all in.

So we have free energy devices in every homestead and we live in a world of abundance that is now heaven on earth, as it should have from the beginning, we kind of lost our way a bit for a while and evolved into something totally different from our intended journey.

The fact is Money has made the world go round according to the people that have it and make it, the quicker it's gone and everything that revolves around the use of money, the better , lotteries, gambling , slavery , prostitution,drugs, crime , banking, stock markets, pharmaceutical costs , mortgages , credit cards, bank loans , corruption , just to name a few that came into my head as I was typing this.

I look forward to seeing those I call the have's which is probably less than 5% of the worlds population meet up with the have nots, there life will become extremely different and they may find it difficult to adapt to there new situation! as the world can now sustain itself as communities or as countries depending on how things evolve and work out for the rest of us, we no longer need there money or there expertise for a high interest loan to feed the community.

I am sure I would love to have a self sustaining properly a stand alone home, the reasons most families live apart is due to work in different parts of the world or country this would no longer be a problem and communities would benefit and be happier if everyone could stay connected with family members.

I read a thread about relationships and how this would change and yes I agree this would be a difficult one to comprehend and figure out in the early stages of abundance, I would expect our young people would find ways to remedy this in the same way we have evolved to accept same sex partnerships in this modern world.

May the world live in peace and harmony as we work together to repair damage we have done to the sea, our rivers and repair and replant trees in the rain forest, set free all the animals that they are kept in captivity including closing factory farms, return every piece of land back to nature as well as cleaning up our waste landfill sights.

The abundance paradigm allows us to feed our children properly every fast food chain like McDonald, Kentucky fried chicken would close won't be needed or tolerated along with supermarkets most communities would grow there own food and raise there own livestock. There is a chance as we shift that we would all become vegetarian that fact is we are told so many lies by our government and our scientists we don't know what the truth is about our diets, I expect we will evolve into vegetarians and some time in the future we could live without ingesting food as we would get our nutrients from the high quality air and water we consume but some local communities may wish to continue eating meat this will be there freedom of choice.

To finish of I am a great believer in our two emotions Love and Fear, it's these that makes us different from the rest of earths creatures.

Love = abundance and abundance = Love

Fear = scarcity and scarcity = Fear

I really enjoyed reading all the posts in this thread and it was extremely refreshing to read similar mind sets as you would expect in project Avalon,

Many thanks for taking the time to read my post and I again thanks those who have taken the time to add and respond to this thread.

Kindest regards
Joe

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

This one has been kicked around a little here, but intellectual property would become obsolete. That means patents, trademarks, copyrights, brands, and the like, as they are all ways to gain the commercial upper hand. In a world of abundance, invention and creativity would be used to better the world, not make a bunch of money, as all have what they need. So, when somebody invents a better FE device, or antigravity device, or time machine, or what have you, it is invented with the idea that it would benefit the world, and it would be given to it. And the benefit might be obvious, and it might take some demonstrations and persuasion, but it would only be done with the intent to help. Those who would not want it would not use it, but I imagine that truly useful innovations would find universal acceptance very quickly. The most gifted would likely achieve some kind of prominence, but stealing ideas and inventions would not make any sense (and would almost certainly not be “successful,” whatever that might mean), and those being “stolen from” would not mind, as long as the innovation was helpful. Again, the very idea of theft to gain riches and fame would become obsolete.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:


Similar to my previous post, markets will become obsolete. Again, this can only happen in a world of abundance, and abundance is impossible without energy abundance. With FE and related technologies that already exist, today, it will take almost no human effort to provide life’s necessities for all people, and in a way that is environmentally harmless. Under that framework, the idea of markets, even urban environments, begins to become obsolete. All of life’s necessities, and even what are today called luxuries, will be universally available, and while there may need to be some “regulation” until people can let go of the scarcity mentality that leads to hoarding, thievery, exploitation, violence, and other scarcity/greed reactions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#trek

markets will quickly become obsolete, as well as corporations, etc. The global communication system, which will also likely extend to at least our solar system, will be the closest thing to a market that there is, where needs are stated and filled. Because transportation would be effortless and take almost no time, goods can be transported to those who need it, or those who need it can go to where it is, and the needs are filled, again, with almost no human effort. There will not be money, exchange, or any of those other attributes of our scarcity-based system. With FE, those come onto the horizon; without FE, they are not attainable.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I had a discussion a few days ago with some friends to see where we can go if we had free energy for everyone on the planet.

I quickly showed them how most things they would cling to would just vanish in that reality: who will do the dishes, who will take care of all the trash, who will do the "dirty work" and so on. They were basically stuck into doing little improvements in their world of scarcity. It was a fun exercise to do (for me at least).

We got to "love" and what happens if two people love the same person? What then!? I did not tackle that at all, since a reality where everybody loves everybody else w/o possessing them would have been too far out to get, so I've let jealousy stand for a while and then we moved to "power over others".

They said something like this:

"OK. Let's assume that given some miracle free energy makes it to the market place! What would happen is that a few power hungry people will work hard to recreate the power structure pyramid. They will use force to subdue and rule everybody else, and having free energy available will be able to do just that! So we'll be quickly back into the same spot we are today."

What I was not able to explain was that Free Energy will not happen unless we take our power back in the first place. So "power over" will be the very first thing to become obsolete. And it is probably the hardest one to let go! We hold power over others in very subtle ways (like power over our children, over our employees, over our customers if we control a commodity in high demand, over people that hold us in high regard and pay attention to what we do or say). It seems to me that most of us are now living in a "power over others" high, and it's very tough to let that one go! And it's also the major force that opposes Free Energy.

So what will prevent a power struggle in a Free Energy society? I would have to say that a higher consciousness and a better understanding of the limitations that "power over" has as opposed to cooperation. I imagine that in an abundant world the leaders (if there will be any) will be truly servants of the people and the planet, sharing their knowledge and skills selflessly in order to create more freedom instead of more dependency.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

“Power over others” is born of scarcity, although there is certainly an “internal” aspect to the desire of power over others, related to a soul’s path:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

But, as with many areas like this, there are positive and negative feedbacks. If you look at the history of humanity, that “power over others” aspect is far less prominent than it used to be, as energy usage levels increased. People who argue that we would just find new power games with FE and abundance are assuming that the desire for power over others is an inherent part of human “nature,” and not just part of the human “condition.”

Any reading of the fossil record gives the distinct impression that it was eat or be eaten for the vast majority of life’s history on Earth, and any plant or animal that gained the “upper hand,” so to speak, bred and/or ate its way into dominance, but the dominance was never forever, as other players came to the table to take their share of the energy-based resources, or Earth became hostile to life and mass extinctions cleared the playing field and, usually, the dominant players went extinct and previously marginal life forms came to dominate the next phase. Sometimes there was a “Golden Age” of creating and inhabiting new biomes, such as the Cambrian and Ordovician explosions in the seas, or the Devonian and Carboniferous explosions on land, but as niches were filled and mass extinctions happened, new players crawled to the top of the heap, such as nautiloids supplanting arthropods as apex predators, or fish supplanting them both, or reptiles displacing amphibians when the Carboniferous rainforest collapsed due to an ice age, or dinosaur diapsids displacing synapsids (our direct ancestors) in the Triassic, and mammals replacing dinosaurs after the Cretaceous extinction via asteroid impact.

In the hunter-gatherer phase of the human journey, once humans developed the toolset and social organization to move atop the food chain, they not only drove all the easy meat to extinction, but all other human species went extinct. The hunter-gatherer phase of the human journey is its most violent, with about a third of all men dying violently. The domestication phase of the human journey not only domesticated plants and animals, but people, too. Slavery was born then, but male great apes had dominated and enslaved females for millions of years, with bonobos the only exception (and industrialized humans, to a lesser degree, so far :) ). Slavery is obviously about the ultimate “power over others” situation, but when industrialization happened, slavery disappeared. Few know better than I do how Godzilla has humanity in thrall today, primarily by keeping energy artificially scarce, but the industrialized phase of humanity is humanity’s freest phase, and while we still see “power over others” games, they are far less extreme than in the past, and if you study coercion, it is always rooted in scarcity. So, for people who argue that “power over others” is some immutable aspect of human “nature,” the past few hundred years of industrialization provides pretty impressive evidence that coercion and manipulation have far more to do with the human condition than human nature. Because energy is so scarce on the planet today, we actually have a few hunter-gatherer societies on the planet today, as well as many agrarian societies, as well as different levels of industrialization. The phases of the human journey, based on energy availability, are easily seen in those peoples today, even though those more "primitive" phases are “polluted” by contact with industrialized societies, such as “primitive” peoples with T-shirts and cell phones.

Studying the development of the United States, as it displaced many hunter-gatherer peoples, while having a free industrialized North and a slave-holding agrarian South, brings many lessons of how levels of energy use formed societies.

It will be a key aspect of my upcoming essay, of how the human journey was far more about the human condition than it was human “nature,” and because we are the supposedly “intelligent” social animal that can manipulate its environment like no other creature ever, pointing to our “natures” is a poor excuse for scarcity-based behaviors. I have found that people who try to justify dark behaviors, or state that they will always dominate human societies, really have not studied the issue very deeply, and are merely projecting their scarcity-based awareness on the current situation and the future.

Again, just imagining abundance in a world of scarcity is something that almost nobody is willing or able to do. Regarding FE, projections of scarcity-based awareness is behind those denial levels 1 to 3:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

and Levels 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6

are also hooked on scarcity, in one way or another. Level 5, the classic fear reaction:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

is likely where your friends are coming from, as they project their scarcity-based awareness onto a situation of abundance.

Again, this glimpse that Roads got:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

is a world based on FE and abundance, but they got there via love, first and foremost. Again, love and abundance are paired, as are fear and scarcity. Moving from fear to love is nothing less than a paradigm shift:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming

and those in the fear-based paradigm simply cannot comprehend one based on love (just like scarcity cannot comprehend abundance). That is also why John Q. Public will not be able to begin to wake up to abundance until FE is delivered to his door:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=764032&viewfull=1#post764032

Again, this is something that has taken me most of a lifetime to understand, and if everybody had to go through a journey like mine, FE would never happen, unless Godzilla decided to let it out, but he is addicted to “power” (as all dark pathers are, but to be a little sympathetic, all people living in scarcity and fear are addicted to “power,” so they get it where they can, even if it is over their children, spouses, employees, etc.), and he knows that if the means to abundance were ever allowed into public use, his game would end. In short, in a world of abundance, "power over others" may disappear completely as a game, or what might survive would be a faint vestige of how humans have played those games for so long.

Back to work.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

This will be an experimental/exploratory post.

Is it possible for us to become galactic citizens w/o Free Energy?

While pondering the Free Energy issue I was thinking that stuff like Star Wars or even Star Trek could not actually happen in a Free Energy galaxy. While Star Trek is somewhat more "enlightened", both stories seem to be projections of our violent thoughts and problems at the galactic level. In the end it's still scarcity but in the Galaxy. It's still a game of amassing power over others. I'd imagine that Q or someone like the traveler (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Traveler) are the only hints were would actually go. (And Yoda has some useful hints, the old character not the new and more violent one).

Leaving our solar system would obviously require a lot of energy! I am not really qualified to say, but I don't think it can be done with strapping a bomb on our rear end and hopping for the best (aka as combustion propulsion).

So it would seem that we will be solar system bound, unless we come out publicly with an energy source capable of taking us out of the system.

Such an energy source would of course, out of necessity, be used to solve our local energy problems before us going anywhere outside the solar system.

While this does not really imply that a Free Energy device will be used, it will lead to energy abundance that will strongly point to the fact that energy was what was missing all along and that will point to Free Energy in many brains capable of thinking.

Because of all this, in my mind at least, it seems like we will not be able to leave our solar system unless we develop enough to have Free Energy.

If we accept this conclusion as being true for us, than I guess it must be true for other travelers as well. So this means, that all intergalactic travelers have Free Energy based societies. However this leads to a rather strange conclusion (the one that makes Start Wars and Star Trek impossible) and that is: all species capable of galactic flight must be "benevolent" in nature, or otherwise would not have made it out of their respective stars...

The usual evidence that such a theory is false is the European armies conquering the Americas. The argument is made that having enough energy to leave Europe, did not make Europeans more enlightened or "benevolent" in nature so why would it be any different for living the solar system.

The difference comes in the distances involved. Indeed the continents were pretty far apart for the means of travel for that era, but the star systems are much much farther apart. Solving the issue of crossing the ocean did not generate enough energy to create abundance in Europe. But solving the issue of inter stellar travel, it seems to me, would have to get us out of the combustion fuel high. And once that happens there is only one tiny step to make towards free energy.

Of course, if my conclusion is correct, it would imply that there are no bad aliens except possible the ones already inside our solar system that do not have the energy required for such long travels.

So would Free Energy make stories like Star Wars and Star Trek obsolete? To me, it looks that way, although I have some hard time coming to grips wit the idea that there are no "baddies" flying around the galaxy. That would make the Universe essentially a safe and fun place to be, wouldn't it :)?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Big subject, but yes, I think there is merit in your thinking. With FE, almost all material shortages vanish, especially if you live in a star system with rocky planets like we do, along with asteroids and gas giants (heavy elements might be hard to make, even with FE). I hear that Earth has some rarities in the galaxy, and other ET civilizations have come here to get it, even trade for it with near-Godzilla-level folks, and maybe even Godzilla himself, but it would have to be a very spiritually primitive society that would invade other star systems, and even subject the inhabitants to genocide, white-man style. That said, the tales I have become acquainted with say that there have been galactic wars as technologically-advanced but spiritually-primitive beings went at it. That sure seems stupid, but it has apparently happened.

But that apparently is also not the case in our corner of the galaxy, not these days. There really is something like Star Trek’s Federation that most of our ET visitors belong to, and something like the Prime Directive is actually a guiding principle. The ETs that are here are mostly highly advanced, spiritually. One thing that James Gilliland or Greer says is that if the ETs had hostile intent, they would have treated us like Europeans treated the natives long ago. Most of the “bad ET” stuff that you hear is propaganda to keep humans controlled and in fear. As Werner von Braun said, Godzilla is trying to portray ETs, if they are acknowledged at all, as the ultimate terrorist, so we have to huddle under Godzilla’s protection. When you begin to understand the dark side and how Godzilla thinks, his games start to become predictable (induced fear, helplessness, etc.).

The study of human history shows how rising standards of living, which are made possible by greater energy availability, have made human civilizations far more humane, at least for imperial citizens. The problem is that hydrocarbon fuels are anything but abundant and renewable, as FE is, so scarcity has still governed imperial dynamics, with greed-based empires (with greed-based ideologies such as capitalism, and scarcity-based ideologies such as nationalism) and conquered and subjugated peoples, even genocide, as we have recently seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would think that if a civilization began like ours did, scraping around in the mud, that they would have had to figure out the FE and abundance issue before they would have left their star system, and to your point, yes, chemical fuels, or even nuclear fuels, to travel the stars would be highly primitive in light of FE, if it was even feasible. I think that FE is pretty easy to stumble into. Heck, Tesla was going at it a hundred years ago, when cars were barely running on the roads and the science of energy was in its infancy. Any society that begins to use energy in a big way will not be far from at least thinking about FE, and the technical issues with tapping it are not that great. Maybe I am too close to it, but with FE comes material abundance (in order to build an FE device, matter manipulation needs to be pretty good, at least the level where making advanced technology that runs on FE would not be much of a leap, if a leap at all). Why a civilization would then set about conquering other star systems seems like Klingon-level stupidity, but the dark side and megalomania truly know no bounds, as they try to play the Creator, but via fear instead of love, which means that they truly do not know the first thing about being a creator.

So, while I think that FE, love, and enlightenment are joined at the hip on this planet, it may not always be the case for other species, but in general, I think it is. According to the Michael teachings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

all ensouled species are working on the same basic issues (love/fear, increasing one’s sentience), so the dynamics that we see on Earth today are probably common enough in evolving sentient species, especially when a third of them that can manipulate their environments destroy themselves when they are at the stage where we are. But if they could not get over that hump, they probably rarely left their star system. Also according to Michael, the star-faring civilizations are mostly comprised of younger souls, as with older souls the action is inside, not outside, so older soul civilizations have less desire to go sailing along in the galaxy. Do I know any of that for sure? Some of it, I do, but with the rest, it seems to hang together, but we will not really know until all the secrecy games end, and they are definitely being played, at a planetary level. That much I know for sure.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Mining asteroids and meteors for stuff may not really be required. We do not actually consume anything (not even the oil we burn with such abandon). We may lose some energy due to radiation in space, but I think that most of what we have stays on the planet (or around it) in some fashion. Plus we still get the Sun's light.

What we need instead is energy and some conversion processes to convert what he have into what we need! Any waste product becomes "what we have" and thus "fuel" for what we need.

If the Start Trek replicators are any example, we can just convert energy directly into what we need (matter). Mining asteroids would be required if we plan on leaving the planet and not returning soon.

For the heavy elements problem I was thinking of high speed collisions or powerful detonations inside force fields maintained with Free Energy. That may be force enough to fuse some elements into heavier ones, or we may even find the equivalent of enzymes in fusion reactions so such a blind smashing about will not be required.

And if Sai Baba was for real... we don't even need that. We can just materialize things, once we learn how. :)

This is why I find it hard to believe that someone intelligent enough to produce the amount of energy required to shove a spaceship across the stars is still stupid enough to go to war. But perhaps intellect, intelligence, mind and spirituality are not really linked that tightly together, if at all.

I am of course limited by my conditioning and life style on our planet, so what seems incomprehensible to me, may actually make perfect sense to some other race that is looking for say water and they don't have hydrogen and oxygen and fission or fusion did not cross their mind.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Wouldn't condensing energy into matter (or bringing ore mined from asteroids down) right upon Earth's surface upset gravitational balance in the Solar System? In the long run of course. We ought to be careful with this... Not shy away from it completely but just that... Be Careful :) I would rather bring Earth into garden condition with limit on construction working and move buildings up into space where the asteroids are :) Then ask Earth life forms if they want to go up with us. Leaving equivalent of condensed energy (asteroids ore) of our (and other life forms going up with us) matter "footprint" on the ground.

Surface dwelings/cities would become obsolete then... People might even choose to stay down here to "care" for the Garden and live like they did in The Green Beautiful (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Y85-rexgk) movie... Provided they have proper level of spiritual development.

EDIT:
The movie i've mentioned avoided a "toilet problem" (just like Star Trek ;) ) With FE it would be just converted into energy and then condensed into some other form (toilet paper, water, perfume and soap maybe for reuse?)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I have my doubts about Sai Baba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNMxQtwkIuk

If he faked that lingam “manifestation” (see the end of that clip), he likely faked all of it. Anybody with killer bodyguards is no avatar in my book. Dennis had a bodyguard when I met him, with all the death threats and murder attempts being directed his way:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=253214&viewfull=1#post253214

and while his bodyguard was a nice guy, if he had killed an assailant, I would have called that a big screw-up. For an alleged “avatar” to have that happen is a huge screw-up (and his reaction to it was not avatar-like at all, as he then hid away for years, and had bodyguards with him the rest of his life), while I have had to hear plenty of sophistry by Sai Baba cult members to defend such actions, as well as the murders on his ashram grounds. That is not avatar stuff, IMO, although I am very open to the idea of real avatars manipulating matter at will. That does not mean that you can’t do your own remote viewing, hot hands healing, UFO watching, and the like.

While the Star Trek replicators are charming, the difference between “merely” reorganizing atoms and actually creating atoms is vast. The energy differential between chemical bonds and nuclear bonds is about a million-to-one. I am sure that just rearranging existing atoms (playing with chemical bonds) is how the original “replicators” would work, like they did on Star Trek Enterprise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_%28Star_Trek%29#Origins_and_limitations

I am not saying that there are no Level 19s on Earth, but it is not a practical path at all right now. As with that world that Roads glimpsed, there were few, if any, Level 19s in that world, and it was a Level 16 society:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level16

It is true that mining other bodies in the solar system may not be required, and I am up for anything that does not harm Earth’s ecosystems. Brian helped pioneer the asteroid mining idea:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

and I see the point, although FE and antigravity obviates much of the reason why they advocated asteroid mining. With FE, all elements become infinitely recyclable, but I am not so sure that we can recycle at the subatomic level, at least at first. I think that would be a very high hurdle.

I think that true “intelligence,” mind, and spirituality are very connected. True intelligence comes from the heart, not the head. The lower astral plane is filled with “smart” folks, or so they think. The entities in those “hells”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#hell

are really pretty stupid, not realizing who and what they are: divine children of the Creator. But “free will” can take us to many dark places, but that does not mean that it is very “smart” to do so. The most deceived beings of all are dark pathers, as the greatest deception is self-deception:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

As Roads said:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=309392&viewfull=1#post309392

intellect and intelligence are two very different things, and I’ll agree. I have seen people a lot “smarter” than me do incredibly stupid things, generally related to a lack of integrity. Would you call Max really “smart”?

Hydrogen and oxygen are two of the most plentiful elements in the universe (with hydrogen the most plentiful by far), so I can’t imagine an FE-based society needing to invade distant star systems, especially inhabited ones, to get it. And the human obsession with gold is really only born of scarcity and incredibly stupid:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#biggest

In end, if a civilization has FE and the related technologies that come with it, they will have material abundance, and I doubt will be motivated by scarcity, and as we can see on Earth, the difference between having FE and not is really all about integrity, not “intelligence.”

I hear you on thinking why the heck there would be interstellar or galactic wars, and all I can say is that the dark path is dark indeed. All dark pathers secretly desire to be Emperor of the Universe, but only one can sit on that throne. My understanding is that some planets have gone totally dark path (you would not want to take your vacations there :) ), and planets like that have something to do with those alleged wars.

If you go deep on the mystical writings, you can encounter many accounts of interstellar wars and the like. One account I read was where people turned their children into Level 19 bombs, where the child was trained to hold incredible amounts of energy, to only use it to “infiltrate” the other civilization and then detonate in their midst, like the suicide bombers that we see today, only up several orders of magnitude. After doing that back and forth for some time, the inhabitants of both civilizations began to realize the futility and stupidity of the situation (not to mention evil), and they both decided to raise their awareness on the spiritual front. I can see the Level 5 folks seizing on stories like that to argue why humanity should not have FE, but I have a higher opinion of humanity than that. On Earth, crime, violence, and wars have always been about poverty and scarcity. Remove those as dynamics, and people get pretty peaceful, women gain high status, and the like. Very few humans are dark pathers, especially accomplished ones (the Level 19 equivalent on the dark path – yes, it exists).

So, while I have heard plenty of tales of abusing FE, it was definitely a stupid thing to do and did not last long. Again, I have heard of galactic and interstellar wars (you see them enough on Star Trek :) ), but I have also heard that those days have passed in our part of the galaxy, with only a few beleaguered dark pathers trying to hang in there, and a lot of them live on Earth. :)

I have sympathy for Godzilla, but his days of being in charge on Earth are numbered. I vote for turning him into a vegetarian and redeeming him, but he may just seek out some frontiers where he can keep traveling the dark path, seeing where it leads.

I just saw Robert’s post as I readied this one. Robert, one asteroid would supply all of humanity’s material needs forever, and no, it would not upset the gravitational “balance” of the solar system. In fact, I think that real quickly, we would clean up all space junk and then mine all asteroids that crossed Earth’s orbit. That would just be for starters. Yes, I am all for whatever removes humanity's destructive footprint from Earth’s ecosystems. As you know, some of my visions are along the lines you suggest:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=330505&viewfull=1#post330505

so I definitely support them. Yes, all human waste issues are easily solved with FE, and everything can be recycled in cradle-to-cradle fashion.

Back to chores.

Best,

Wade

[Carmody]

Hi,

Mining asteroids and meteors for stuff may not really be required. We do not actually consume anything (not even the oil we burn with such abandon). We may lose some energy due to radiation in space, but I think that most of what we have stays on the planet (or around it) in some fashion. Plus we still get the Sun's light.

What we need instead is energy and some conversion processes to convert what he have into what we need! Any waste product becomes "what we have" and thus "fuel" for what we need.

If the Start Trek replicators are any example, we can just convert energy directly into what we need (matter). Mining asteroids would be required if we plan on leaving the planet and not returning soon.

For the heavy elements problem I was thinking of high speed collisions or powerful detonations inside force fields maintained with Free Energy. That may be force enough to fuse some elements into heavier ones, or we may even find the equivalent of enzymes in fusion reactions so such a blind smashing about will not be required.

And if Sai Baba was for real... we don't even need that. We can just materialize things, once we learn how. :)

This is why I find it hard to believe that someone intelligent enough to produce the amount of energy required to shove a spaceship across the stars is still stupid enough to go to war. But perhaps intellect, intelligence, mind and spirituality are not really linked that tightly together, if at all.

I am of course limited by my conditioning and life style on our planet, so what seems incomprehensible to me, may actually make perfect sense to some other race that is looking for say water and they don't have hydrogen and oxygen and fission or fusion did not cross their mind.

When one arrives at 'free energy', one also arrives at a certain point. This 'point' is a cascade of sorts. one that opens up into connection to all things. If one breaks free energy open, then all other barriers fall at the same time.

The resulting froth of confusion in the individual, that occurs at that time... is the danger point.

The eventual outcome is that large areas or vast tracks of the psychology and physiology of what 'possesses' human avatars, what 'drives' them, the vast majority of that dissipates.

We end up at the contented space of no-time(no beginning, no end) and no-worry (never alive, never dead), as integration, as a path , into all, on all levels -- appears before the given self.

The polarization of the mind, when at the scarcity level, precludes the possibility of seeing and knowing this, for the larger part.

What I'm trying to say, is the idea of energy systems, as projected, in your post, will not be as you think.

Need, conjecture, desire, projection, and so on...all change, when that free energy threshold is crossed.

Which brings us to that point of it being so difficult for most people to understand as a realty that can exist, as it is too many mental steps beyond their comprehension and mind state.

That it has to be built slowly, like getting ready to jump off a cliff.

A long dialogue that in essence amounts to a statement of: 'Brace yourself ...here it comes...now'

For example, the idea that on those guidestones..we need to drop the population to 500 million and be sustainable.

Free energy will not raise the population, rather it will lower it, dramatically. The pressure to be here and procreate will almost - end. It might even go so far as to turn around... to the point of being difficult to keep the population as high as 500M, in the initial stages. (the few centuries after free energy's introduction)

The genetic imperative will change due to environmental concerns.

As we now know, the genetic imperative is passed down (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24677-fear-of-a-smell-can-be-passed-down-several-generations.html#.UqdASeKaQ3g). When the genetic imperative almost vanishes, then the drive to procreate will also drop dramatically. Children will become a very purposeful intent and direction, and sex drive, in the procreative instinctual sense, will drop. Duality illusion will drop, as it cannot survive the introduction of free energy, which is part of that messy bit at the introduction of Free energy.

[norman]

Scarcity has an opposite, that I don't see being accounted for in FE discussion. I don't see FE as the opposite of scarcity. The word I'd use is the one that comes from agriculture, a Glut.

Without a technological infinity, the only 'place' where FE will not leave a trace of it's impact will be at it's source. Whatever use we make of it will produce effects.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Norman are you trying to say that given FE devices powering manufacture lines we will clog our world with infinite quantity of things? Imo tendency to hoard more than you need in the moment, to save for the rainy day comes from the scarcity pov. It is induced by the fear of not enough for everybody. If FE brings enough for everybody everytime something is needed, the fear of "not enough" will disappear taking away the urge to hoard with itself.

In my part of the world some crazy/sick people have coined a twisted term: "curse of abundance" (Pol.: klęska urodzaju) It is used when the season is so good and the crops has grown so much there is not enough harvest and storage capacity (read not enough energy to do it) and the extra crops are left to rot :(

If there was no issue of energy for transport, storage, harvest and processing the surplus could be sent where people are starving. But if there was no energy issue there would not be starving people and crops could be better managed/preserved. I can't see the problem of "glut" as a result of introducing FE. Even if some people would overstock it would be shortliving tendency and will likely happen only during the transition phase to disappear completly when everyone gets "comfortable" with the paradigm shift.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

This thread is diverting towards the threat of Free Energy and that is the topic of a different discussion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32467-Free-Energy---No-way-in-hell-) :).

Let's steer this back on course and I'd have to give a nod to surplus crops being left to rut will be made obsolete in a Free Energy world.

[norman]

Hi Ille, where is the complementary thread that completes this discussion ?

I didn't mean crop gluts at all. I simply meant that FE is not the opposite of scarcity.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Norman,

This thread looks at what would dramatically change or become obsolete if Free Energy would be implemented properly.

Other related discussions are here:

- The threat of Free Energy - it's potential negative side: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32467-Free-Energy---No-way-in-hell-
- A Future Earth - with imaginings on how it may look like once it's done: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth
- Transition plans from here to an Abundant society: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32475-Free-Energy-Transition-plans-for-Earth
(and other related threads you can find here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/tags.php?tag=free%20energy&pp=&page=2))

You can of course create a new discussion if you have a different angle in mind, not covered above.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'd like to state the purpose of this thread again:

The idea behind this thread is to explore our deeply backed beliefs about scarcity and abundance and the best way to do it is to look at how would our society change if we had Free Energy and with that true abundance for the first time in human history.

This is a very focused discussion indeed and there are many other threads dealing with Free Energy on Avalon, but not really from this perspective.

Since Free Energy is such a hot topic, there is usually a concerted effort to derail and hijack such discussions on the Internet. Wade Frazier is a member here and he is also a person who (to my knowledge) came very close to putting Free Energy on the market by helping Dennis Lee. Wade has found a safe heaven here on Avalon where he can have very focused, non hijacked discussions about Free Energy and its implications.

Because this is such an important issue and in honor of Wade's life experience around it, I tend to moderate the two threads (this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy) and this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet)) a bit more heavily to keep the conversation very very focused.

I understand that other people here have different point of views, but I ask them kindly to not hijack these two threads or try to take energy from them. They should instead start their own discussions and add challenging content from their point of view. However it is likely that Wade and other readers of these threads will not follow that particular discussion and that is fine. Perhaps others will. That is no reason to take away from the focus of this thread.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Thanks so much for trying to keep this thread on track.

I am honored that you feel that we were close to putting FE on the market, but it was not really all that close. Godzilla took us out before we had a chance; if you have any promise, he strangles you in your cradle. I’ll readily admit that the closest thing to “free” energy that has ever been on the market was Dennis’s Systems for Savings program for his heat pump:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#sfs

and how he tried to carpet Puget Sound with it in 1984-1985:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

I know of no greater effort to put alternative energy on the world market than that one.

In Ventura, we were definitely becoming threatening, which is why they took out us out so harshly, after offering Dennis a billion dollars to go away:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

Trying to marry the world’s best engine:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

with the world’s best heating system:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

was nothing to sneeze at, but if we could have done FE with that arrangement is still an open question for me (although some pretty high-powered scientists thought that we might be able to). We may never know. But the threat that we posed was far beyond some technology. Sparky Sweet lived nearby, and he had the FE goods:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

and other working FE prototypes were in existence at the time and not yet suppressed to the point of disappearing into Godzilla's Golden Hoard, which I only discovered later, but I am sure that Dennis knew about some of it at the time. The real threat was somebody like Dennis coming along and piercing the veil by getting a stampede going. That was a very real threat, and Dennis has been that threat for more than thirty years. So, yes, I do not know of an effort that had more potential than ours did, but we were a ways from delivering FE. If we had been left alone, I have no doubt that we were probably only a few years from putting something on the market, maybe even a solid-state FE device, but we also found out how the energy racket’s immune system worked. Godzilla is only the apex predator. Dennis had to survive several years of being gnawed on by the lower-level predators, including the mob, before he attracted Godzilla’s attention. A Godzilla asset was used on Dennis in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

but Seattle was more about the local energy interests protecting their turf.

We got Godzilla’s first friendly buyout offer in Boston less than a year after Dennis was run out of Washington:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

and the next year, Godzilla added a couple of zeroes and showed his claw a little, before we really got the boom lowered on us.

Dennis should not have survived the prison they kangarooed him into:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=694872&viewfull=1#post694872

but he has cheated death at least twenty times on his preposterous journey so far. He rode high again after he got out of prison, and Godzilla took the game to a new level:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#sting

and when Dennis recently put 100 MPG technology on the market, the USA’s sitting president and others brought out the big guns once again:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=694872&viewfull=1#post694872

and Dennis will have to leave the USA if he mounts any more energy efforts.

So, Dennis was closer than anybody else ever was to cracking the code, but truly, I think that Godzilla had things well in hand. Dennis probably never really had a prayer, even with all the “divine intervention” that attended our journey. We were like a mouse going against an elephant. For me, however, I did my best to make lemonade out of lemons, and the learning experience I got could not be duplicated. I got to see how the world really worked and lived to tell about it. Not many have done that, and I feel driven to use my “blessings” and not have it all go to waste as just one more notch on Godzilla’s claw, with the result only being more dead and crippled FE martyrs littering the battlefield.

To keep this post in the spirit of this thread, I wrote over here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=770483&viewfull=1#post770483

that capitalism will become obsolete with FE, but that has been stated on this thread before.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The American Dream - Getting a Cashier job at Walmart

A few days ago I was discussing the idea of how some jobs would become obsolete in the future and one of these jobs would have to be the cashier job. And while I made the argument that such jobs could be automated (let alone become useless in a Free Energy world) I got back the following argument:

"There are many people that struggle for a job and for them the cashier job is the best thing that could happen... you know.. being employed, bringing in a steady income and staying off the streets".

That makes some sense, right? Well, not really, no.

This is a very good example just how conditioned and boxed in we have become. How can we dream of abundance when our highest dream is to land a job and be happy with it? This is such a limited way of looking at life.

As we have discussed previously, jobs would completely go way in a Free Energy world. Some people would still work, but for not for money but rather very different reasons. Who would chose to be a cashier given the choice to do anything s/he wishes in life?

Please note that I am really talking about the job and not the person behind the desk. I am talking about the inhumane treatment that those people get and how unnecessary it is. They are treated like machines unless they forget to smile at us or they make a mistake in which case: "I want to talk to your supervisor!". There is actually a store here in Romania where someone asks you on your way out if the staff has greeted you with a smile? What can you say to that? What value has a smile and a greeting if it's part of your job contract? How can you even come home after such a day's work and greet or smile at somebody?

If this post of mine would have been published in a widely read magazine, I would suspect it would upset quite a lot of people and they would retort back in defense of their hard earned job and money with corporate slogans and missions to "Saving people money so they can live better." If profit and money would not make sense any more, I wonder what Walmart's mission would be?

Even as I write this there is some cognitive dissonance in my head going on, buying stuff from a supermarket, having being trough corporate jobs where "the mission" was drilled into my head while profit was obviously (at least to me) the motivation and I will have to acknowledge that there are businesses in the world that seem to be really passionate about what they are doing, but even most of those would vanish in a Free Energy society. It seems everybody (including myself) has deeply baked in reasons to oppose Free Energy! :)

Of course that all this could be said about any job where money is the main motivator. I know that you need to learn to "love your job" and "be happy with your place in life" and "be grateful for the opportunity you have to work here with us", but the issue with that is that is perpetuates the "status quo". It blinds us from seeing the abyss we are at the edge of and it prevents us from imagining anything different. It also seems to me that is not genuine joy but rather a blanket over our eyes to take away some of the discomfort that we feel deep down. And it's of course an indoctrination system, because once you accept it as true you will fight for it to continue to exist.

There is a revolt inside me against what I just wrote, trying to build up arguments, bringing up "success stories", defending... but if I ask the question: what would I do, truly, in an society based on abundance, none of my "success stories" stand or make any kind of sense.

Since I've hammered so hard the cashier job, let's have a look at a more high paying job.

I like good tasting food and I wanted to see how master chefs go about making it. So I've decided to watch an episode from a show we have here called "Master Chef". Since it is a TV show it may not have anything to do with reality and I really hope that is the case because I was in for a shock.

The episode I watched was about preparing the food in a 5 star restaurant for an event hosted for a public figure: the girl of a TV star was celebrating her birth (she was just sleeping there, basically, but still).

This was very challenging because: "It has to be perfect... all the top people are coming here... with fine and refined taste expecting the best of the best" and the anchor went on an on about the high expectations of the glamorous people gathering at the event.

The show was then a back and forth between the kitchen and the dance hall. In the dance hall happy, top class people, partying and in the kitchen cursing, yelling angry chefs preparing the food. There was no technique showed (that was what I was looking for) only huge drama with a hierarchy of people yelling down at those under them and the last levels crying in corners. Of course the dish would be made spotlessly perfect and served to the happy people in the hall to be judged. Michael Road's shallow world (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#_edn11) came to mind. Is this what really happens in a 5 star kitchen? And if so why would anyone work there? For the money? For the fame? To rub shoulders with all the good people?

I've tried to imagine how would this look like in an Abundance base society. It probably would not happen. Assuming that there would still be some equivalent of a restaurant such glamorous events would not make sense. The hierarchical structure would also not exist, and I suspect that in any kind of "pressure" situation people would their best and pour their passion into their work without someone having to curse at them, yell orders and make them feel like crap. Actually all this 5 star thing would go away as you would have no reason to make something less than your best.

[Wade Frazier]

Man, Ilie:

That is just the tonic I needed this morning. Do you ever get it. That is exactly the kind of thinking that I was hoping that my work would help inspire, really going deep on scarcity and what it really means, how insidious it is, how like the air we breathe, that when you even begin to think about it, another part of your mind plays policeman to get you back in line! :)

Abundance is a very difficult concept for people mired in scarcity, and arguably unimaginable. One thing I regularly see by people who really don’t understand the concept is that FE by itself is not abundance, but it is the engine of abundance. Energy simply does everything. Energy is everything. And until the twentieth century, energy has been scarce, even in the seeming energy abundance of 100+ EROI for West Texas oil (and Godzilla is keeping energy artificially scarce by keeping FE at bay, as it would be game over for this dark path rule, and he knows it). It was still produced and processed under ruthless and greedy monopoly conditions, not to mention the devastation it has created, in many ways, and it certainly was not sustainable. You have probably seen the old movies where a West Texan or Oklahoman gusher was hit and everybody was coated in oil but grinning madly because they would be rich! Think about that. It would be like being coated in manure or some other unpleasant substance and grinning like a fool because it meant you could get “stuff” with it.

That dystopian Roads world that you mentioned:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672115&viewfull=1#post672115

had everybody with drug-induced silly grins pasted to their faces (at least the “winners”), because then they would look like they were “winners.” Imagine the kind of system where that is presented as the ideal to aspire to. Shudder…

Yes, gourmet chefs that cater to the rich and powerful would go away. I stayed a couple of nights with a wealthy friend recently who is a gourmet cook. What meals those were. I never experienced its like in my life. I have had meals like that at high-end restaurants, but to have that in a friend’s home, who made it because she loved to… In a world of abundance, that would become the norm, not something that only the rich did. Her kitchen was pretty ultimate, but not really much beyond the one in my home, and it really did not take her all that much time, and she really loved doing it, with her chickens in her back yard. In that heavenly Roads world:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

people would not raise chickens for their eggs or meat, but the rest of that gourmet existence, for just the love and joy of it, would simply be normal. “Putting on the dog” for the rich and powerful would vanish.

Back to work.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Over the years I’ve read and heard variations on the idea that if you took all the world’s people you could fit every person comfortably into one country, with each having a plot of land big enough to sustain their needs etc. Obviously when ideas like that float around without comprehensive context there’s the risk of creating a false sense of security, in terms of understanding humanity’s growth and use of resources. I began wondering who had actually crunched the numbers relating to land mass and population.

I came across work by Tim De Chant, (Ph.D. in Environmental Science, Policy and Management from the University of California, Berkeley.)
Source : http://persquaremile.com/author/timdechant/

“...Shortly after I started Per Square Mile, I produced an infographic that showed how big a city would have to be to house the world’s 7 billion people. There was a wrinkle, though—the city’s limits changed drastically depending on which real city it was modeled after. If we all lived like New Yorkers, for example, 7 billion people could fit into Texas. If we lived like Houstonians, though, we’d occupy much of the conterminous United States...

What’s missing from it is the land that it takes to support such a city. In articles and comments about my infographic, some people overlooked that aspect—either mistakenly or intentionally. They shouldn’t have. Cities’ land requirements far outstrip their immediate physical footprints. They include everything from farmland to transportation networks to forests and open space that recharge fresh water sources like rivers and aquifers. And more. Just looking at a city’s geographic extents ignores its more important ecological footprint. How much land would we really need if everyone lived like New Yorkers versus Houstonians?

It turns out that question is maddeningly difficult to answer. While some cities track resource use, most don’t. Of those that do, methodologies vary city to city, making comparisons nearly impossible. Plus, cities in most developed nations still use a shocking amount of resources, regardless of whether they are as dense as New York or as sprawling as Houston. Any comparison of the cities in my original infographic would be an exercise in futility at this point.

But what we can do is compare different countries and how many resources their people—and their lifestyles—use. For countries, the differences are far, far greater than for cities. Plus, there’s a data set that allows for reliable comparisons—the National Footprint Account from the Global Footprint Network. Their methodology is based on peer-reviewed research by Mathias Wackernagel, the organization’s founder. It’s consistent and comprehensive. Each country’s footprint is assembled from sub-footprints, ranging from cropland to carbon to urbanization to fishing grounds. For my purposes, I used only terrestrial sub-footprints. I’ll let the results speak for themselves.”

Source : http://persquaremile.com/2012/08/08/if-the-worlds-population-lived-like/

I’ve pasted Tim's infographics below (they’re also viewable at the source linked above.)

They’re interesting to look at.


Whether some land is currently uninhabitable / unusable becomes debatable when we consider how many technologies are suppressed - and some more openly acknowledged technologies for and methods of (for example) greening desert areas may be hampered because of political agendas / vested interests.

But genuine free energy technology could be leagues in advance of what existing tech could do, advancing our recycling, whilst facilitating the mining of asteroids for metals and the relocation of homes and farming off-planet - Then the creeping vision of our gradually inhabiting / farming every last inch of land available could be made redundant. The fear could be obsolete. Especially when renewable energy resources could make poverty obsolete, helping stabilise the population.

There is of course the fact that the ecosystems of forests which have been cleared for wood products, farming, mining, dam building etc, cannot be replaced simply by greening a desert area. Even if you don’t subscribe to the idea (which I personally do) that those ecosystems contribute to the spiritual health of our planet, there’s the fact that they cleanse and contribute to the air we breathe, are living libraries of diversity, as well as an evolving store of cures and nourishment. They are the rightful habitat of countless living species long-adapted to the balance of the environment.

(Sometimes I like to imagine having a little free-energy pod. Then I can go gliding over the ancient rainforests, silently, and absorb them as they breathe below. Vast and pristine and glistening with life.)


Here are Tim’s infographics on land and population :


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/DoodlemakerUK/PopulationDensitybyTimDeChant_zpse6445299.jpg


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/DoodlemakerUK/Ecological-Footprint-by-Country-TimDeChant_zpsba6aa710.jpg

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Melinda:

Yes, the entire idea of an ecological footprint, or carbon footprint, etc., goes away with the implementation of FE, antigravity, and other technologies that I know are under wraps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

Not only could we mine asteroids for all of our metals, but we can mine the atmospheres of the gas giants (or the Oort cloud) for the lighter elements, such as hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, and the like, and creating space colonies that look like Utopia, or cities floating on the oceans, or underwater, floating in the air, etc., becomes child’s play. The nuclear family will likely disappear with the advent of FE. The people in this world likely do not have nuclear families, as such:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

and I am sure that if any parent today could take a one-day tour of that reality, they would realize that it is infinitely better than our current system is for raising children. But let’s say that in the transitional times some families want to be nuclear. With the technologies that I am aware of existing today, what kind of “footprint” would a family of four have? Because nobody would have to be tied to any particular location, I think that having a rooted home on land will be seen as quaint and primitive, and maybe even dangerous, but if a family wanted to, the house could be ten thousand square feet, ranch style, a veritable mansion, and everything needed to run the home would be in a level below it. A five thousand square foot “footprint” in the basement would likely provide all the family's food needs, and another section held the water (the top floor would likely also have a pool, at whatever temperature was desired). The entire thing could be self-contained, so most people would just take them along. But that is just one way to look at it, and the example was more to show how small the footprint could become.

In that heavenly civilization account linked to above, it seemed like food was raised communally, but automated, so that it probably did not even take much out of one person’s life to raise and distribute all of the food to the community. With that kind of mind-boggling abundance, the idea of possessing food, arable land, and the like I am sure would quickly become obsolete, in the same dustbin where slavery, war, and subjugation of women was deposited.

And in that world, the idea of a footprint, meaning that all other species were excluded or subjugated in the footprint for human welfare, also became an obsolete concept. The close partnership with nature was highly evident in the glimpse that Roads saw. Again, I know people who have taken similar trips, so I don’t regard Roads’s account as fantasy, particularly when I know that the technology to help humanity move in that direction is on the planet today.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Found another thing that will become obsolete with the advent of Free Energy


http://vimeo.com/88374849

The sooner the better!!

It's crazy to know that people do not have drinking water in a world where the technology exists to make all this gone over night!

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, Ilie, That was very touching!


The sooner the better!!

Amen ~

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Oh yes, clean water will be abundant for all. But World Vision!? They may be a CIA front. Both of the USA’s major political assassination attempts in 1980-1981 were by World Vision employees.

Heck, the son of World Vision’s president (and good friend of the Bush family) was involved in the Reagan shooting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley#Early_life

and John Lennon’s assassin also worked there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman#Personal_background

So, I’ll also agree that FE will mean the end of fake aid organizations, from Mother Teresa to the Peace Corps to USAID to the World Bank to the IMF to “missionary” organizations such as World Vision.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Yes, I did not make the post to promote World Vision, but to make them obsolete all together :)

[Melinda]

Recently I’ve been contemplating the idea of a world without money. To what extent will our current idea of trade become obsolete?

Thinking about this more and more I’ve been picturing a world where ‘trade’ itself plays a totally different role to the way we see it now. In a world of true abundance you don’t have to worry about what you’ll get in return for your efforts (or material productivity), you give for the joy, from instinct, free-flowing in a way that allows the old to slip away and new creations manifest.

A world without the psychological limbo, energetically tied, waiting around to be reimbursed – or holding back until it’s safe to give.

You just give... and be free

It reminded me of a scene in The Celestine Prophecy. I haven’t read the book, and I don’t regard the film as a film-making masterpiece in an aesthetic, intellectual sense. I also don’t really feel the need to engage whether or not it’s a literal account of actual events, in order to appreciate its truth. But I love how this scene gives a visual to something I’ve tried explaining to people over the years. I’ve only seen enough energy to be wonderfully mystified in a way that deepens my sense of connection to life and to beauty. I don’t ‘read’ people that way. Actually, I don’t even think the film does visual justice to how gloriously rich and vibrant energy fields can appear to our perceptions. But this scene in particular effectively, simply describes how the traditional idea of trade is dwarfed compared to the creative potential when parties give freely from one another, from the heart rather than the head. Rather than need meeting need for an equal, closed exchange, we can function in a way that generates more of the energy as we share. Amplify the intent. The resonance.

I’ve isolated the short segment that appealed the most, from 2minutes 11 seconds in, at this link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7FdI-ejeQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2m11s

But the whole scene is relevant :)

lN7FdI-ejeQ

We all know that in a world of scarcity, it is hard to trust – and when it is hard to trust, it can become hard to give, which can then create blockages within us. And blocked energy can drain us. That’s why I find grounding in nature so key - which reminds me of this lovely quote from David Abram. I don’t know much about him. But I’ve enjoyed listening to some of what he has to say. I think he says it beautifully.


“How monotonous our speaking becomes when we speak only to ourselves! And how insulting to the other beings – to foraging black bears and twisted old cypresses – that no longer sense us talking to them, but only about them, as though they were not present in our world…Small wonder that rivers and forests no longer compel our focus or our fierce devotion. For we walk about such entities only behind their backs, as though they were not participant in our lives. Yet if we no longer call out to the moon slipping between the clouds, or whisper to the spider setting the silken struts of her web, well, then the numerous powers of this world will no longer address us – and if they still try, we will not likely hear them.”

― David Abram, from the book Becoming Animal: An Earthly Cosmology

Grounding in nature is also, I find, truly key in contemplating the free energy subject in a technological context. It reminds me, always, that the pursuit of energy solutions is not so that we can run away from what grounds us and connects us – by mindlessly fueling a domed, robot haven, to levitate on hovering comforts, glued to ever speedier computers. Energy solutions are our opportunity to mend the damage we have done to the environment, during our growth. To simplify our technological infrastructure, so our time, our gaze and our own energy can be applied to more creative adventures and spiritual endeavours. That’s what I picture awaiting us. If we can imagine it.

I’d like to see us heal life with technology – rather than encourage our own to diminish, in the name of conservation.

[Melinda]

I remember hearing author Neil Kramer say a few words about free energy in interview. I often enjoy Neil’s thoughts. He seems a tidy thinker.

In a Red Ice Creations interview he said :

“The power that we need from the sun is total, it would run everything, period, here. A very crude method, if we want to be cleverer, we can use of course this zero-point field, we can use this faculty that energy has when it flips from one dimensional realm shall we say to another to generate energy; so energy is free, and bountiful, and abundant, and that is solved.”

His comment had me contemplate the elegance of energy systems. The philosophy and the physics. I love the idea of us getting all the energy we need from what is known to be freely available. No clawing necessary for what the sun freely gives. But then - if you described a solar panel to someone who had no understanding of the technology, they might think your explanation meant you were somehow sapping energy from the sun, rather than absorbing what flowed through naturally. Like the flowers receive the rain falling from the sky. They don’t tug thirstily at the clouds in a disconnected drain. It is all part of a cycle of energy. But if the person you were trying to explain solar tech to was from an ancient, superstitious culture, they might even think you were upsetting the sun with your panels, sucking out the light from their heavenly orb. If there is a spiritual danger of our sapping the sun with solar technology, then that would be down to our collective internal state, not the solar panel. We do not fear solar panels, because we feel we understand them. So equally, perhaps fewer and fewer of us will fear accessing the zero point field as understanding of it spreads. Perhaps, as with solar panels, we will understand that it is a way of receiving what is freely given – not by the sun in isolation, but more broadly by the universe. If that comes to pass then the idea of solar panels as a safer, better option could be considered obsolete.

This is a quote from Floyd Sweet :

“The vacuum itself is literally popping with virtual particles that appear and disappear in the field during instants too brief to be measured. Virtual particles with lifetimes or dwelltimes too short for the name "particles" to be appropriate. As a result the generated fields are always in some state of flux. However, under the influence of a generated Motional Electromagnetic field parts of the normally chaotic virtual field break off from randomness and form a more coherent region. This region consists of a structured portion of the spacetime continuum which by its very nature seems to attract more virtual particles (This increase in particle density has been verified by lab experiments conducted the week of June 19, 1988). This higher concentration of particles develops a warping of the spacetime continuum where negative energy is produced in abundance. The existence of this condition via direct engineering of the virtual state allows for the safe generation of electrical energy.... [...] ...Although all of this seems nearly unbelievable, only what has been demonstrated in the laboratory has been described in this paper. The source of energy is unlimited, the virtual vacuum of space itself structured by a motional electromagnetic field is the powerhouse.”
http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm#nothing

Reading the above, at first it made me wonder what the particles were doing prior to being stabilised. Were they involved in relationships elsewhere? By generating a Motional Electromagnetic field to stabilise and utilise them, are we abusing some natural order, scooping the goods from another realm beneath a cloak of ignorance? But then I think of Tom Bearden’s words :

“There are many ways to extract energy from the seething vacuum. Unfortunately, at present our scientific community takes a bizarre stance. In particle physics it is well known that the active vacuum is incredibly energetic. Calculations by leading physicists such as Wheeler show that a cubic centimeter of vacuum (about the tip of one's little finger in volume) has so much raw energy in it that, if condensed into matter, there would be more matter than is observable in the universe through the largest telescope! So even a tiny efficiency of tapping could and will extract all the energy anyone could wish.”
http://www.cheniere.org/references/energydensityofvacuum.htm

I think of energy systems we can see. How the trees that exhale the oxygen we breathe are replenished by the carbon dioxide we exhale. How the rain that pours into the land and soils is channelled over-ground or absorbed by the earth, whose springs feed rivers and seas that evaporate forming rain clouds. The energy flows in cycles. Then I think of how amazing it is that as we are seeing the extreme problems with burning fuels, new ideas begin to flow – bringing first solar power and now advanced energy systems that reach beyond it. Consciousness has found a way. Perhaps consciousness dreams of us navigating the stars, and that is why we are being shown a broader technology, beyond our solar notions. A universal technology for universal travels.

If we can master this tech, safely and benignly, it flows on that we could abandon the use of energy for excessive physical creation and wastefulness – as our lives will have reduced in stress and forced labour, freeing us to pursue higher realms of perception, accessing greater sustenance and creative potential with the energy from our hearts and spirit’s ability.

I think the point about using energy systems to make wastefulness obsolete, and consequently cultivate our spiritual abilities, is what's been promoted here all along.

Most of this has probably been said already. I just love seeing new ways of saying it.

It’s fun.

Again it comes down to our culture, and our personal states of awareness. Currently we have a mainstream culture where we are distanced from understanding where our energy comes from, and separate from the technological aspects of its generation. A culture that (apparently) allows for this to take place:

Canadian aborted babies incinerated in Oregon waste-to-energy facility to provide electricity:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/canadian-aborted-babies-incinerated-in-oregon-waste-to-energy-facility-to-p.html

The sooner that becomes obsolete, the better.

[Ilie Pandia]

As discussed previously, one of the things that will be left behind in a Free Energy world is the "profit" idea. And that is a hard one to get, especially for those that call themselves "capitalists" or still believe that the "free market" and competition will bring the best of the best out in the public. We are yet to see true abundance and how cooperation (instead of competition) works on this planet.

Today I've just read an article that some (80%) of the Romanian bakers use ashes and caramel to color bread so they have dark bread :). The reasoning is simple: dark bread is touted as a health food (as opposed to the white one). So what's the capitalist solution? Color the white bread, fake the labeling and sell it at double the price. A nice way to quickly round some profits!

Two things we can learn from here:

1) personal integrity is really scarce - someone there knows that the bread is not healthy (maybe not the label guy!) and still chooses to sell it like that.

2) with Free Energy the very basic motivation behind such practice will go away. This is pretty important, because it does not mean tither controls, higher fines, more labeling, more arrests and so on. No. It will simply stop making sense to engage in such activities any more, because there is no longer any money in it.

We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still :).

[Melinda]

...We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still :).

:)

Thanks Ilie

Made me smile

[risveglio]

As discussed previously, one of the things that will be left behind in a Free Energy world is the "profit" idea. And that is a hard one to get, especially for those that call themselves "capitalists" or still believe that the "free market" and competition will bring the best of the best out in the public. We are yet to see true abundance and how cooperation (instead of competition) works on this planet.

Today I've just read an article that some (80%) of the Romanian bakers use ashes and caramel to color bread so they have dark bread :). The reasoning is simple: dark bread is touted as a health food (as opposed to the white one). So what's the capitalist solution? Color the white bread, fake the labeling and sell it at double the price. A nice way to quickly round some profits!

Two things we can learn from here:

1) personal integrity is really scarce - someone there knows that the bread is not healthy (maybe not the label guy!) and still chooses to sell it like that.

2) with Free Energy the very basic motivation behind such practice will go away. This is pretty important, because it does not mean tither controls, higher fines, more labeling, more arrests and so on. No. It will simply stop making sense to engage in such activities any more, because there is no longer any money in it.

We've managed to abolish slavery, accept that women have a soul, and drop whaling... so perhaps there is hope for us still :).

I like this post but this is quite the distorted view of the fantasy of having a free market system. I dream of the day we have a free market system just as we all dream of a day of free energy. I don't understand how having free energy gets rid of the need for trade. A free market capitalistic system, like that could ever happen with human greed and thirst for power, is the best way we have come up with so far to keep things "fair".

Personal integrity is real scarce but the free market system probably has the best solution other than brainwashing all of mankind to just think like good little sheep. If a free market system was to exist, you would probably get real standards and regulations that don't involve extorting money by force from people that can't even eat bread. A good example is the toaster and the recent "fumble" by an American politician.

The next thing we really need to figure out is how to abolish group think.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Risveglio, there will never be such thing as "free market". Because of lack of integrity of the participants of "the market" there is tendency to centralize the influence and cut the wings of the competition. And "naturally" supress any technology that would upset the state of matter. I would rather call it "willfull" than free. When you supply the market goers with integrity, they stop abuseing each other and FEenters the market the next day. On the second day market goers will realize there is no more reason to trade when energy access is in abundance :)

The reason for trade is scarcity, right? Wrong? Then what?!

As for the group think, what exactly do you mean by this term?

[risveglio]

Risveglio, there will never be such thing as "free market". Because of lack of integrity of the participants of "the market" there is tendency to centralize the influence and cut the wings of the competition. And "naturally" supress any technology that would upset the state of matter. I would rather call it "willfull" than free. When you supply the market goers with integrity, they stop abuseing each other and FEenters the market the next day. On the second day market goers will realize there is no more reason to trade when energy access is in abundance :)

The reason for trade is scarcity, right? Wrong? Then what?!

As for the group think, what exactly do you mean by this term?

Maybe its just too hard for me to picture but its good to know we think a free market system would be what we should strive for until we get free energy, thats good, i thought we were all going crazy.

Trade is just for scarcity? Is free energy going to increase the number of really great cooks? Will those cooks just share there food because they no longer have to pay for electricity? Again, I guess I just don't have the vision, or at least the same one. I do love the idea of free or even cheaper energy empowering more people to be lifted from poverty and starvation but I don't see it creating some utopian fantasy land. I see it more synonymic to when Rockefeller saved the whales not to Thor coming down to bring us all to Valhalla.

As for group think, maybe it doesn't happen in your country but here most people forget they are good, independent human beings filled with love. They replace that with whatever group they think they should/want to fit into and then make the rules of the group to decide what is right and wrong, instead of their good, loving, independent free self. It's become far more dangerous than any Church has ever been with the exception of maybe those crazy we all should commit suicide so we can ride Haley's comet kind of religions.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi risveglio and Robert:

As my upcoming essay makes clear, markets came with civilization, like slavery and the subjugation of women did. The first elites appeared with urban civilization, and they did it by controlling the first markets, skimming off the cream to become (relatively) rich, and the same dynamics have been playing out to this day. But when the energy surplus of a society was low, the methods of elite "skimming" were draconian. They only became more civilized when they controlled the system and people accepted its "legitimacy."

The next epochal event, after the Domestication Revolution (which led to civilization), was the Industrial Revolution. It was accompanied by the Scientific Revolution and the rise of capitalism, which was a more refined version of mercantilism. But if you study how capitalism began, in England, it was a similar coercive mechanism, but instead of just controlling the markets, the elites began, as Marx said, "controlling the means of production," by kicking the peasants off the land with Enclosure and Game laws. Those dispossessed peasants comprised the first labor force of the Industrial Revolution, and severing the peasants from the land was part of the industrialization process. A new class of elites rose with capitalism and, as I discovered the hard way, the idea of market control went on steroids with the rise of capitalism, reaching its apotheosis with the American robber barons. The classical economists were ideological warriors of the new capital class, and in their private writings it was obvious that creating rigged markets that the capital class controlled was the essence of the new political-economic system, and there was nothing "free" about it.

European elites are still in the game, even the old guard "royalty," and they all know the game they are playing. Being offered a billion dollars to stop pursuing free energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

is what I call capitalism on steroids. In a world of scarcity, there is trade, where I need to get something for what I give, or else go hungry, homeless, etc. But that is all about energy, as my essay will make clear. There is not an economic "good" that is not primarily made and delivered by energy. Because most people are scientifically illiterate, even in the industrialized societies, they can barely fathom the role of hydrocarbon energy in their lives. All they know is that if they throw a switch, a light comes on, or if they put their foot on the accelerator, their car speeds along. It is all completely energy dependent, and the idea of energy surplus is particularly important. Today's industrial world rides on the backs of about a trillion energy slaves:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=831592&viewfull=1#post831592

but it is anything but an abundant economy, with everybody chiseling to get theirs, and all under control of various elites who cream off their disproportionate share. If energy was abundant and harmlessly produced, the human standard of living would shoot up by a few orders of magnitude, and all of the food, clothing, shelter, transportation, communication, and other basics would be provided to all people on Earth for almost no human effort. If everybody had their needs easily met, what would be the point of "trade"?

Three hundred years ago, nobody questioned the "need" for slaves. The Industrial Revolution made the "institution" obsolete, and women were also liberated, as they were no longer needed to produce cheap labor. Elites did not appear until civilization, and they will disappear when the world has abundant, decentralized, and harmlessly produced energy, which is why they have been working so hard to suppress the appearance of free energy. At a minimum, the solar system will become the abode of humanity. Just like the richest man on Earth three hundred years ago lived like an animal (rarely bathing, for starters) compared to today's average American, Bill Gates would be seen as a cave man compared to the average citizen in a society based on free energy ("You mean that he never even left his home planet?" "He had to wipe what?").

As I have been writing for the past decade, the ultra-elites' greatest triumph has been making free energy and the kind of world that can come with it unimaginable:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

The crazed celebrity culture and elite worship is a symptom of our malaise, and that, along with elites, markets, and the like will disappear with the appearance of free energy and the myriad other technologies being kept under wraps:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#underground

So, just like people could not imagine the end of slavery, in a world where everybody knew their place, and women were barefoot and pregnant, people currently cannot even imagine the changes that would come with free energy and their attendant elite-suppressed technologies. Free energy would mean the end of economic scarcity, and ideas like getting rich and "trade" would cease to make sense (and the idea of "cooks" and other professions). There are works of art that actually hint at what that world would look like, Star Trek being one of them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#trek

How many cooks were needed on Picard's Enterprise? I know people who have visited realities like this one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748

and some brought back ideas for technologies that you use today, so I do not consider such accounts to be fantasy, but realities that will be our reality one day, if we can free our hearts and minds from the control mechanisms that exist today, that we unwittingly and often willingly submit to, such as thinking that markets and scrapping for our daily bread is somehow "natural," when it is only an artifact of our current economic condition, totally based on the level of energy that we use. There is nothing "natural" about capitalism and markets, although the elites would like us to think so.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

...Maybe its just too hard for me to picture but its good to know we think a free market system would be what we should strive for until we get free energy, thats good, i thought we were all going crazy.

Trade is just for scarcity? Is free energy going to increase the number of really great cooks? Will those cooks just share there food because they no longer have to pay for electricity? Again, I guess I just don't have the vision, or at least the same one. I do love the idea of free or even cheaper energy empowering more people to be lifted from poverty and starvation but I don't see it creating some utopian fantasy land...


Firstly, I think Wade’s response about the nature of markets was a clear, light-shining summation, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you Wade, for the upliftment and the clarity.

Secondly, for what it’s worth, this post isn’t directed at any particular poster, it is a response to risveglio’s words and the thoughts they trigger.

:)

When I personally post the way I do (and I can only speak for myself) I can see how some people might find the nature of the posts frustrating. I can see why some people think it’s just some utopian fantasy.

Our current world doesn’t have many frames of reference for an existence without trade of a traditional nature. What’s never been had before can’t be had without first being imagined. In the cut throat and embittering world around us, imagining a utopia can seem like a pastime for dreamers, whose purpose is escapist and cuts no muster. No steel to it. No bite. Tried and aggressive metaphors for a tried, aggressive world. It has been tried, and so much about it doesn’t work, or work enough anymore. We have an opportunity to try something world-shifting, ground-breaking, paradigmatically new.

Yes - we have to transition in life, whether it’s to a utopia or anywhere else, but if we’re going to transition then our endeavour, our vision, needs an imprint of the kind of world we intend to create. That vision is paramount, because without it the transition risks being sucked back into the kind of world we had before.

Abundant ‘free energy’ exists both within and outside of us. Prior to being able to access it with external inventions our sole way to utilise it has been through our hearts and psyches. Whilst there may be rare individuals who have achieved this, levitating, teleporting and gleaning their sustenance from pure energy rather than craving physical food, most of us have a way to go before we’re there. In truth, our evolution in the physical realm has been partly a technological one, and that has had many advantages. Whilst we may naturally shudder at the destructive potential of technology, it has only been amplifying what exists within us. Men with axes and ropes can cut down a vast forest over many years. Men with free energy machines could do it in minutes. But even though men with ancient tools took longer, they did eventually bring the destruction in the same way. Whilst higher technology can wreak a different kind of devastation (nuclear winters or worse rather than forests simply emptied of life) the positive potential of advanced technology is vastly greater, and the difference is, abundant energy supplies (the likes of which people with axes / chainsaws haven’t had) can negate the need for the plundering altogether. Eliminating the circumstances that fuel the destructive, competitive urges.

Technology has brought us so many advantages. Who would want the children of tomorrow to be hearing – ‘We're sorry, you must live in a world with far less opportunity for growth and expansion because previous generations were too battered to imagine a harmonious way to continue transforming their application of technology. Given the opportunity to imagine something completely new, and given the tools (FE) to do it, they decided you’d be better off trying to access your inner reserves without the assistance of revolutionary means to mend and harmoniously advance your external world. We’re sorry we can’t teach you how to overcome physical hardship with only love from within. We didn’t learn how to do it, but we’re hoping you will. Then maybe you can show us.’

We don’t have to choose between a spiritual existence, barefoot in the forest with little technology, or a reign of droids separate from the divine qualities of nature and the earth. We can have a world with both the power of our psychic growth and our technological assistance, coexisting to enhance our experience of life. Technology is there to ease the hardships of the external world. Much of today’s immediate sharing of practical, spiritual and mystical solutions with millions of varied people around the world is happening because we have attained the technological means to do it. We have a way now to make the flawed and deeply ingrained ways of living, creating and exchanging, completely obsolete. That’s attainable, if we can choose to imagine it, and believe in that vision with such a deep understanding of how it is truly possible, that it resonates in our hearts and uplifts us like a spiritual fuel.

So even though the kind of free, fair, abundant world many speak of here can seem like a ‘utopian fantasy,’ it can actually be a genuine reality if we have the practical tools to make it happen – and FE is one such practical tool. It will not happen over night (without a miracle.) But it can happen. And the transition can hold steady, and take us where we wish to go, if we have a clear idea of what we envision for the future of our children’s children. I do not have a child, but I have young relatives. The children of the world often live in my soul, with their hopes and dreams, and speak to it frequently. And if they want to live in the forests, levitating, living off sunlight, and cherishing the company of forest creatures – it will be much easier for them to do that without a technological world crashing down at the edges of their culture due to competition over scarce resources. Some may be destined to fly in ships to the stars. Some may prefer to evolve with the earth. But FE is the means that make both opportunities possible.

To me, free energy can mean enough for everyone, and enough to evolve in the loving way you choose.

Having that vision, and holding it steady, in a world saddled with corruption and competitiveness, and perpetuated scarcity, is no easy feat. It is not for the faint hearted. I have days when I can do it – and days when it tests my limits. But with practice, it becomes less difficult, more reassured, and I can feel things shifting in a deep place. I’ve had to cry some tears to get there. When I look around and see the broken lives and wasted potential of so many people I find it all too easy to retreat and wonder if it can be changed at all. But I know from a very deep place within that it can be changed by the easing and transformation of external circumstances. An easing of burdens, and rebuilding of our infrastructure, sourced from a higher place within us.

The material world is a heavy weight, and those forces that hold us down (whether they live within our minds or in the people around us) are made stronger the more we buy into the illusion of that weight. It seems like a contradiction. To say the material world is illusion, but then to say it is a heavy weight that feels so real it can seem inescapable. One way out of both the illusion and the imprinting of its physical burdens, is to change the illusion into one of light. Until it pulses with such a high vibration it begins to match higher frequencies of another realm. So it approaches, and reaches, the frequencies of divine truth - of our highest potential. We can alter the physical world, and our relationship with it, so it empowers our journey beyond.

We can have infinite sharing, loving respect, and a lightness of being.

But first, we need to have the vision and believe in it.

[risveglio]

I guess I am looking at this the wrong way and will keep my feisty fingers at bay in this thread. I think my time on Avalon is winding down because I am personally looking for solutions that I can influence in the next 40 years within what I know to be reality of the world. I am open minded to most of the topics we discuss here but I can't discuss seriously if we don't box the content a little.

I do not see how free energy solves all but maybe I am not seeing deep enough. I thought free energy meant free electricity and we did not have any electricity years ago but yet did not have a utopia. I do believe that if we lived in a world with just love, it wouldn't matter what system we follow. I also have a completely different understanding of capital and markets. I see our problems, especially with markets being the fact that we have the state monopolizing our money, tax system, regulation, security, etc. A free market is simply a structure and has absolutely nothing to do with human faults and it is something I think we should try while the world still appears to be scarce. Way to many members here seem to think we live in a free market system and I have no clue how they think that way.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Risveglio:

Moving on to find what suits you is what the current freedom of the Internet provides, and I wish you well in finding what you are looking for. Manifesting love in a world of scarcity is no easy trick. My great nation has recently murdered several million people to keep its grip on the hydrocarbons leftover from the Tethys Ocean:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading

Hard to love each other, when if we don’t get the energy, they do, and we will gladly murder millions of them to get it, while naturally conjuring some noble rationale for our evil deeds. Hydrocarbon energy made the industrial world today. In the early days of civilization, when one city-state conquered another, they murdered or enslaved all of the losers. That was standard operating procedure. In the pre-civilized phase of human existence, the proportional deaths due to warfare were more than an order of magnitude larger than today, and under the hunter-gatherer mode of production there was no way to put the defeated under tribute, so killing all the men and taking the fertile women as "booty" was also the standard procedure, which actually hails all the way back to chimps and gorillas.

Two thousand years ago, the preferred entertainment in the world's greatest civilization was watching people being forced to murder each other, with the emperor leading the festivities. Only three centuries ago, before industrialization, slavery was "normal," with the institution not challenged anywhere on Earth, and all women were barefoot and pregnant in agricultural societies. Once machines appeared, when the energy to drive them was harnessed, slavery no longer made economic sense, and women were no longer needed to produce cheap labor, and they were liberated along with the slaves. Harnessing new levels of energy made that happen.

Civilization is vastly more humane than it once was. In the Roman Empire days, plunder for plunder's sake was "normal," and the greatest murdering thieves were honored. While we still honor murdering thieves:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#blueprint

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

we at least try to sweep their crimes under the carpet, not celebrate them. I found out the hard way how the world really works:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=829430&viewfull=1#post829430

and I know what already exists, not what is "possible." I am advocating a world that almost nobody today can even imagine, just like nobody could imagine it the other times the world changed:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=827022&viewfull=1#post827022

It is not going to be an easy task, but it should keep me busy for the rest of my life.

Best of luck in your cyber-travels,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

(...)As for group think, maybe it doesn't happen in your country but here most people forget they are good, independent human beings filled with love. They replace that with whatever group they think they should/want to fit into and then make the rules of the group to decide what is right and wrong, instead of their good, loving, independent free self. It's become far more dangerous than any Church has ever been with the exception of maybe those crazy we all should commit suicide so we can ride Haley's comet kind of religions.I don't know if you bother to read, but here it goes anyway...

Imho, "group think" is just a tool for achieving the goal. Just like the classic example: the knife. You can use it bene- or male-volently. It's such a pity we let ourselves be played like the violin by various GCs to use our thought coherence to achieve their goals that make our condition even more lamentable.

I like the comparison of coherent thoughts (or group think if you still insist) with laser and decoherent (or scattered) thoughts with an ordinary light bulb. With 1kW laser you can cut steel (at just 5%-15% efficiency!) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cutting#Power_consumption) and lasers do other miracles like allowing us to communicate here. With 1kW light bulb(s) you can just burn yourself badly :( Or lit up some "production facility" working for "not so free" market.

It's true you CAN hurt people with lasers. And that's the main purpose "group think" is used for in our world. And WE are responsible for allowing it that way when WE fall for evil tricks. Of course it's a result of some earlier played "group think effort". Fortunately there are many purposes to employ "group think" to.

Imagine what (at least potentially) we are capable of achieving if we worked/thinked coherently toward "right" goal. What if that goal is "just" to imagine FE being possible? I think we are group thinking to do just that :)

[risveglio]

Imagine what (at least potentially) we are capable of achieving if we worked/thinked coherently toward "right" goal. What if that goal is "just" to imagine FE being possible? I think we are group thinking to do just that :)

That's the problem. That is not the way it is here. Here it is, he does not think like the group so he either needs to be assimilated or terminated. It's destroyed what it is to be a civilization with unique ideas and lifestyles. Now we need to weigh our opinions based on the group. If my group thinks A is good but B is bad and I think B is good, then I either need to convince myself that B is bad or leave the group. Group think is dangerous. Giving special rights to groups over individuals is slowly destroying the US.

[risveglio]

Hi Risveglio:

Moving on to find what suits you is what the current freedom of the Internet provides, and I wish you well in finding what you are looking for. Manifesting love in a world of scarcity is no easy trick. My great nation has recently murdered several million people to keep its grip on the hydrocarbons leftover from the Tethys Ocean:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading



Have you ever written again about how fooled those of us that supported Obama in '08 have become? How those that get there information from MSNBC or CNN are also misinformed. I have no disagreement that what we do as a nation is wrong and imperialist. I do think free energy can be the end of government, which would be awesome. Just not sure how it ends the need for trade. Those of us that have been lifted from poverty in one or two generations enjoy things that I do not see ending because energy is free. Like making a call to almost anyone anywhere in the world no matter where you are or being able to travel across the world. Don't I still need a pilot? Won't the plane still need a mechanic? Don't we need someone to come up with the design of the plane? Someone to lead the manufacturing? I just don't see how free energy alone ends all this.

[Ilie Pandia]

The very basic idea, that is deeply obfuscated today, is that: "Everything rides on energy!"

To address some of the questions:

"Don't I still need a pilot?"

No, you will not need a pilot. With abundant energy, systems can be designed (and have been designed) that do not require human supervision. Not to mention teleportation (that I assume is kept under wraps). So perhaps flying could become obsolete all together, but for sure it will not require a human pilot. (For a very very basic example, just to get the juices flowing, look at self driving cars, but even those are a far cry from what is possible today).

"Won't the plane still need a mechanic?"

Again, no. The need for a mechanic and maintenance is because builders cut corners, use poor quality materials and designs. With abundant energy that will no longer be the case. Addressing this example specifically: a device will use the best materials known to science at this time (and some are incredibly tough to break!) and the best designs. And we have a lot of good designs but they require too much energy that cannot be delivered by fossil fuel. All devices in the future will have feedback looks where they will self diagnose and possibly self repair or take themselves apart if the malfunction is too great. Again, this is possible today in the so called "white science". Another issue is that mechanics are needed today because devices are built so that they break down and so provide profit for connected maintenance industry. Today, because of profit, it makes sense to have thing break down slow enough so you can sell them, but fast enough so you can sell new ones.

"Don't we need someone to come up with the design of the plane?"

Yes, we do! But that is the fun part! It would feel like kids building castles in the sand and I would gladly volunteer my time for any kind of design work. Bring it on! Let me design.

"Someone to lead the manufacturing?"

No need. With the production facilities available today, this can be completely automated. Machines can easily replicate a prototype. The only reason we still use humans it's because machines would require too much energy to run. Now we just give some paper to a human and let him/her do the work and use the paper to buy food (energy) and come back tomorrow and continue working.

"I just don't see how free energy alone ends all this." <--- that's the crux of the matter and what this thread is all about

Wade's essay will do a great job of addressing this exact question. Once you see how everything is depended on energy is becomes crystal clear how abundant energy changes everything. No need for cooks, pilots, workers, mechanics and the like. The only "job" that will survive would be design, but that is actually what humans want to do anyway if you give them the chance and the tools and the energy to work it. :)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Once again, I see how well you understand. Yes, what humans excel at, and all want to do at some level, is be creative. Machines can do all the heavy lifting, all the mundane tasks, and do things that humans cannot dream of doing alone, such as sailing the stars. The first tools allowed people to leverage their efforts, and when protohumans learned to control fire, it literally led to humanity.

Humans began to become replaced in the work process with the first domestic animals that did human tasks, and dogs helping people hunt was likely the first such act. Draft animals came later, and the first cities, in Sumer, also are when and where the first sailboats were invented, which again replaced the need for human muscles.

When the watermill was invented, then the big replacement of people began, and by the time that Columbus sailed in 1492, watermills produced the work of 10 million people in Europe. But that ship that he sailed on was the greatest energy technology in history at that time, generating about 500 horsepower when under sail at 10 knots, which no human crew could hope to produce (that represented the work of several thousand people), which allowed Europe to turn the world's oceans into a low-energy transportation lane, and conquer the world.

In the first decade of the 18th century, wood-poor England learned to use coal to smelt metal, and also learned to make a steam engine to pump water from coal mines, and the Industrial Revolution began. That replacement of people accelerated with the development of cotton spinning machines that reproduced manual dexterity. Cotton spinning machines were first developed in the 1740s in England, run by the power of watermills, and by the 1790s, each machine, tended by one person, could do the work of 150 people. As I have written, today, the machines of the industrialized world do the work of a trillion people:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=831592&viewfull=1#post831592

but that vastly understates the reality, as those machines often perform tasks that muscles never could, such as go to the moon.

Yes, the profit motive has been perhaps the most deleterious factor of all. Corporate propaganda has extolled the chase for profit as being the greatest source of innovation and wealth creation, but that is a lie that they promote. Necessity is the mother of invention, but the corporate order (and Godzilla, residing above that level) has been far more about repressing innovation than promoting it, and as you point out, planned obsolescence and creating a reason for people to come back for more. I saw instances of that long before I met Dennis, where the federal government tested bearings for engines, for instance, and found one that never wore out. That was the non-profit federal government, mind you, but they outright rejected the one that never wore out for those that would, as they could see how the commercial interests would not like something that never wore out. That idea is on steroids in corporate America and Godzilla's level, where making things designed to fall apart is a major goal.

Sparky Sweet's FE device, with no moving parts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

would literally never wear out, so was bad news on more than one front. Make something once, and the "industry" is gone. What a nightmare for capitalists! :)

Godzilla's Golden Hoard is filled to the brim with technologies that render obsolete nearly all of today's industries. Yes, once that dam breaks, if it does before humans wipe themselves out, taking the ecosystems with them, then everything will change, and radically, and sacrosanct ideas like chasing the profit, and market share, become meaningless ideas, seen like cavemen's clubs are today.

Self-driving craft are already here in the "white" world, and I am sure it has already reached "magical" levels in Godzilla's world. Non-moving-part technology, which never wears out (or takes thousands of years to wear out), will be a big part of the upcoming epoch.

Best,

Wade

[risveglio]

I'll wait for the essay as you are right I don't understand. I know a lot about machines and robots, even built a couple little ones in my day but don't see how they get made and maintained without some human assistance. I will happily read your essay though I hope there is not too much Marx in it as Marx was an idiot.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Risveglio:

The last thing that anybody familiar with my work thinks is that there will not be a place for people thinking and designing. The reproduction of intelligence is in its infancy. I have worked in high tech for fifteen years, will likely spend the rest of my career in the field, nearly went to work for Microsoft in 1986, may still end up working for them (stranger things have happened in my career), and before that, I was the computer guy at my companies, and system design is probably my best skill.

If you do not yet understand the relationship between energy and work, and how all economies ride on the energy issue and always have, well, my essay should make the connections clear for serious readers, but probably the best single volume that I can recommend on the issue of energy and economics is Energy and the Wealth of Nations:

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Wealth-Nations-Understanding-Biophysical/dp/1441993975/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401143982&sr=8-1&keywords=Energy+and+the+Wealth+of+Nations

There are some net-based resources on the work of those authors:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/139829237/Energy-Return-on-Investment-Charles-A-S-Hall

http://www.esf.edu/efb/hall/

For the larger, more scientific view, I can recommend Energy: Engine of Evolution:

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Engine-Evolution-Frank-Niele/dp/044451886X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401145182&sr=1-1&keywords=Energy%2C+Engine+of+Evolution

and Man, Energy, Society:

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Energy-Society-Earl-Cook/dp/0716707241/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401145231&sr=1-1&keywords=Man%2C+Energy%2C+Society

If you want to bring something worthwhile to the table on these issues, there is plenty of homework that you can do and will need to do. Also, anybody familiar with my work knows that I regard American presidents as puppets – all of them – and the classical economists, from Smith to Marx, did their work before the science of energy developed, and neoclassical economics has even less excuse to ignore energy and obsess over money and markets. Money and markets do not mean much of anything in the big picture. The bottom line is that when all of life's necessities can be provided for almost no human effort (food, water, shelter, transportation, communication, and most material goods), there will never be want again on this planet, and the entire concept of money, markets, and the like, will fade to oblivion. It just will not be important, and ideas like getting rich, poverty, and the like will be relics of the Age of Scarcity. These are obviously very new ideas to you, and you will not have anything worth saying on the issue until you have gone deeply on them and, at minimum, that takes time and hard work, and ideas like retail politics and mainstream economics need to be left at the door if you want to have discussions on the issues that this thread, and the related ones, have discussed.

My work is more like the 21st century version of Fuller's work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

Mainstream economics, and I do not care if it is capitalist or socialist, and retail politics do not mean much to me, and my work largely examines levels far above and below those shows that play out in the mainstream. They are largely distractions from the important issues.

To get back to the theme of this thread, what becomes obsolete with FE is poverty, scarcity, harming the ecosystem for human benefit, and retail politics and similar institutions become meaningless, along with all the other exchange professions. When there is economic abundance, those ideas that people think are important today cease to have any meaning (money, markets, exchange, getting rich, trying to avoid poverty), just like debating the most benign form of slavery or the best buggy whips became meaningless with the Industrial Revolution. The conversation I am mounting is far beyond anything that you have yet seen or imagined. You may not be able to go there, and that is OK. Not many will be able to. I am looking for needles in haystacks, and "intelligence" really has little to do with it, but letting go of our scarcity-based baggage.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

I was taking a look at The Venus Project site, and one of the lovely things about their work is the effort they’ve put into inspiring visuals.

Stimulating our imagination to visualise how a different, more environmentally friendly, and technologically assisted world could look.

I don’t want to discuss all the pros versus cons of the Venus Project philosophies or technological perspective; only wished to gratefully acknowledge some of their imagination / innovation.

I’ll just mention a couple of aspects that are relevant to this thread.

Watching their video presentation on Renewable Energy, I was struck by two significant points.

Firstly : the huge, bulky hardware necessary for the renewable technologies.

With independent free energy devices :
You wouldn’t need the large number of hardware-heavy solar, wind, geothermal or ocean-current harnessing technologies suggested in the Venus Project video. (One of their suggestions, for example, is the building of a vast dam across the Bering Strait, bridging Asia and Europe with the U.S.)
You wouldn’t need to mine the physical materials for the building and maintenance of that kind of energy delivering infrastructure.
You wouldn’t have to weave a technological web, itching across and looming over the landscape or the oceans (you wouldn’t even need roads), which is kinder to the earth.
Independent free energy devices, local to individuals, would mean that there was less risk of large numbers of people being effected by environmental factors. If (for instance) a storm severely damaged a traditional-style renewable energy plant, such as a wind or solar farm, it could cut power to vast numbers of people at once. With free energy you could lift your home out of harm’s way, or generate protective sheilds.

Secondly : the viability of the renewables.
Watching the Venus Project video I was reminded of a section in Brian O’ Leary’s book, The Energy Solution Revolution, where he addresses how these traditional renewables are likely not enough to handle our energy requirements in a developing world. Wade has also added a concise section to his essay on this, that’s pasted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=838084&viewfull=1#post838084
Having received the benefit of an energy-powered world - educational facilities, creative technologies, an extensive travel and transport-based infrastructure - I would like for the billions of people who’ve yet to experience it to have the option to receive its benefits in a way that’s benign for the environment. Free from drudgery. Free to be creative. Freed and inspired people, who feel safe and not bound by the pressures of survival, often consume / gather less ‘material’ clutter. When I feel happy and free, I’m often less hungry for physical food, let alone fanciful material goods.


Inspired by some of the visuals the Venus Project put together I made up a little vision of my own.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/DoodlemakerUK/FreeEnergyPodForestJourney_zps9fb5af14.jpg

It’s my free energy and anti-gravity travel pod.

It gives me shelter and grows food and transports me to any (welcoming) location.

It draws water from the air, and purifies any waste, making the need for underground pipes, festering sewage plants and plumes of toxic exhaust obsolete.

It blends into the landscape, letting the light flow in and out, or closing it off when I seek the darkness to sleep.

It can fly me to a sun-kissed waterfall for a morning swim, making the trip to a chemical-filled, stagnant water pool obsolete.

It can fly me home in time for the beautiful sunset over my favourite hills.

With its speed, I can be learning from elders in the Himalayas after lunch, and teaching infants in London before dusk. Or I can stay by the tree I planted in Arizona for a year.

It makes worrying about earning money from what I do obsolete, because I can share skills and energy and inspiration with whomever I wish without worrying if I will get paid.

It makes relying on trains and boats and planes, hotels, motels and gridlocked traffic lanes (so pleasantly) obsolete. Maybe I won’t meet that interesting stranger on the bus any longer, but with my pod there are a greater number of other places we can meet.

It can make choosing between taking care of a poorly relative, or visiting a lonely friend far away, completely obsolete; since I can pick up my friend and we can choose herbs for a hot, medicinal broth and fly it to my relative for healing. Everyone can be happy.

It makes choosing between celebrating New Year’s Eve with people in Sydney, Australia, or NYC in the USA (and selecting my luggage) obsolete :biggrin:

It can open its roof for my plants to murmur to the trees, or open its floor if I want to feel the ground while I read as it rains outside.

It is silent so as I can hear the birds sing. It can open like a flower, so as I can climb to its upper levels and sing amongst them.

It can sound-proof itself if a thunderstorm is bothering my beloved wolves or the orangutans (who like to travel with me.)

It can turn to a mirror and reflect the trees, the stars, the skies full of clouds.

It operates on frequencies benign to other living, breathing beings.

It keeps me safe and warm and dry or cool. And because all my needs are taken care of, I am freer, and stronger, and lighter and generate a gladness, a warmth, a confidence from within that powers my ability to let the elements flow through me. So I have shelter when I choose it, but often choose to be blended in the natural world. And so my body’s relationship with nature strengthens.

Free energy makes so many difficult choices obsolete. It makes so many wonderful things possible and available and free.

Definitely worth thinking about :)

[Melinda]

I was thinking today about the reasons, the instinctive reactions, behind why some of us find it hard to imagine a world without money.

One issue that came to mind was this :

In a world that has been riddled with scarcity and elitism, and various forms of slavery, for so many centuries - the amount of abuse that has been passed down from generation to generation is incalculable. On some level, whether conscious or unconscious, many of us are carrying karmic wounds that stretch back through the long-suffering lineage of our ancestors. On some level, because of those wounds, and the ones received directly in our own lives, we somehow know that we are not fulfilling our highest potential. Many of us have regrets about not being stronger, or kinder, or more caring than we are – because life has beaten it out of us. Perhaps this wounded part of us wonders :

“If someone doesn’t need my money to help them live, why would they help me? Maybe they will only give to, or assist, the people they like? What if they don’t like me? At least I know in the system we have that if I need something, and get the money to buy it, someone, somewhere, regardless of what they think of me, will have to give me the goods I seek. They need me, no matter who I am or how I fail, or whatever I’ve done, to give them the money that helps them survive.”

You see it sometimes in people who are abusive, as customers or supervisors, to those employed to serve them. They use their position as a way of buying the right to have their inner turmoil witnessed and tolerated. They have been so drained of love, it is the only way they feel they have in that moment to affect someone’s life. They might be the first to wonder, were it not for money, why would anyone show them the care and attention they have struggled to nurture internally. They do not even seek others’ forgiveness, because they are afraid, deep down, that they are unable to find it for themselves.

It’s a fear of being rejected. Of being left out in the cold by a world that says “You’ve been so busy ignoring the side of you that is love, you have nothing I wish for, and I have no wish to be near you.”

I am an optimist. I know these wounds can be healed. But it can feel perilous. It can be a soul-testing, mind-bending, gut-wrenching path to practice faith in the grace that will catch us as we face our own lack. To learn that under the surface there is a connection to love of a deep nature, that never was, and never could be, damaged by the betrayal.

Healing that wound on a collective level can be greatly assisted by the advent of deep-rooted, authentic abundance. Whilst it comes down to each of us as sovereign individuals, going within and working on ourselves, by accessing the depths of our inner reserves - the difference external support can make is tremendous. Whether it’s someone dealing with drug addiction, or tendencies to violence, being met with the sobriety, kindness and disciplined compassion that can reach out from others, encircling them with healing – or whether it’s at the cultural and societal level of the energy made available for technology that eases our burdens, running its circuit through the system around us. When more energy reserves are made available to assist a process, it raises the level of support.

I look forward to people’s fear of being left out in the cold becoming truly obsolete.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'm back. I've been traveling for two weeks with little opportunity to check on the forum :).

This thread assumes that F.E. exists today and it can be implemented. It also assumes an understanding of the following concept: Everything rides on Energy. Energy is at the basis of Everything. So this thread explores what would change, disappear or improve if unlimited amount of energy would become available. With that in mind I have moved the latest posts to a different thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32475-Free-Energy-Transition-plans-for-Earth&p=839420&viewfull=1#post839420).

Coming back on topic: This past week I've helped organizing a wedding. It was interesting but exhausting. All of that would go away in an Abundant Society.

What follows related to the Romanian customs and traditions, but I think the proceedings in other countries are similar as well.

The wedding has a different meaning for different people:

- for the parents it's a fund raising event and they hope that the funds raised will cover the expenses and if I all goes well will help the new family buy a house
- for the bride is an opportunity to shine, wear a beautiful and expensive dress, be in the spot light, dance, have a party to share her joy with friends and family
- for the groom it's just something that he needs to get through as fast and as painless as possible, without spending too much cash
- for the guests this is either a deposit (when they expect money back at their own wedding) or a payback (when they've had their wedding and now they return to pay the debt)
- for those in the weeding business it's a good opportunity to sell a lot of expensive and mostly useless stuff that will be thrown away after 20-24 hours. They capitalize on the conditioning that this is a "once in a lifetime event so no spending is too much" thinking.
- for some it will be fun and games, good food and dancing.

Of course the event will not be sold as I've detailed above and I'd be lying if I'd said that it was not beautiful.

But let's bring Free Energy to table and with that true abundance and have a look at the wedding experience. First of all, I don't think people would get married in the first place. This would be seen as just a useless business contract where both parties try to own rights on the other one and the family goods. It may be just my perception, but the motivation behind getting marries seems to be various fears (and not love). I don't think that families would disappear, but they would expand and evolve into something else, where ownership and "rights over" would not matter.

So even if we will not have weddings any more (some sigh in relief, others in despair) let's say that two people want to throw a party to share their joy with a larger group. There will be no question of costs, expenses, money donations and debt being created. And with that a lot has changed already. The only people that will show up are those that really want to be there for the joy of it, not because they are forced by their debt or and old custom. Now for everyone it will be just fun and games and dancing around, not for just a few.

Raising money for a house (or to cover the costs) goes away completely. The business of creating glamor so you can sell expensive products will also become obsolete. So this is starting to look more and more like a spontaneous "get together" to share in a joyous event. That reality may be so different that we could not even imagine today what a "party" would look like in a world where there is only play and joy. The reason for parties is to get away (even if briefly) from scarcity. And if scarcity is removed, what then :)?

It may seem like we would be in one boring reality frame, but as someone pointed out: just look at the little children, who have no worries and have not been "scarcity conditioned" and they will never get bored :).

[Melinda]

...But let's bring Free Energy to table and with that true abundance and have a look at the wedding experience. First of all, I don't think people would get married in the first place...

Such a big subject Ilie.

One of the significant factors at play in marriage is obviously the related benefits for families, beyond the needs or wishes of the individuals marrying.

A classic example, throughout history, would be arranged marriages - whereby a poor but aristocratic family strategically marries their offspring into a moneyed family with no (or less) societal standing. The rich family benefits socially and economically from the elite family’s connections – and the elite family benefits from the rejuvenation of material wealth that the moneyed family can offer.

Even now marriages are still being arranged on the grounds of finding someone religiously, politically or socially compatible with the bride’s/groom’s parents’ wishes, rather than the couple’s.

The legal quagmire surrounding married couples, that is born of a scarcity-culture, is considerable. For example in some jurisdictions you can have a pre-nuptial agreement to protect one or both parties from the other’s perceived greed, in case the marriage breaks down. The premise is understandable, but also a saddening reflection of how the union is not purely one of spiritually-rooted values.

One of the most disturbing reflections of societal values within law is perhaps how it was only “…during the past 30 years when most laws against marital rape have been enacted […] The original justifications for the legal non-criminalization of marital rape were simply the result of the way marriage was understood historically in most cultures (legally requiring a wife to obey her husband, allowing a husband to punish his wife if she did not perform her duties etc.)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

There are millions of people who would choose to avoid marriage, whether arranged or not, if they felt it was viable economically. Millions too would divorce if it weren’t for the economic repercussions. If younger generations can afford their own home, transport and energy, there is no need to get together to split the rent/mortgage, no need to stay with a negative partner due to the material costs of divorce, and people can travel far more widely to broaden their chances of meeting a soulful partner who resonates with their higher aspects, rather than being limited to who amidst their community can meet their financial needs, or the religious and social desires of their families.

The wider distribution of wealth that came with the growth of ‘middle’ classes has obviously impacted the institution of marriage considerably. As one article quotes :
“The growing importance of the middle class and new money blurred the traditional social boundaries for marriage. With more social mobility, there was a growing "distaste" among the middle classes for thinking of marriage as "a family-arranged event for exchanging a daughter into a family for gain"”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17351133

In other words, with economic abundance (that stems from energy availability to fuel, build, produce) people become freer to focus instead on what their soul seeks. Too many people will convince themselves they love someone, because it understandably appeals more than facing the physical and social hardship that comes with financial self-sufficiency. In a free energy world, of high speed transportation and economic equality, everyone’s social network can be vastly enlarged – enabling those left vulnerable by leaving relationships to access a wider range of people, and faster, for healing support, nourishment and inspiration. That wider community could undoubtedly be built from earlier on in life, making it a supportive presence in the psyche long before the advent (let alone breakdown) of a partnership.

Having met divorcees who’ve been ostracized - by their old-fashioned village communities and also urban, more ‘progressive’ ones – simply because a community of established couples didn’t know how to relate to them as un-partnered individuals, the benefits of creating wider community through the aid of technology could be felt in both examples. Currently the internet scratches the surface of those benefits. But in a free energy world of vastly improved, universally available housing and transport, the networking can become increasingly physical and immediately psychic. Where the internet broadens our ‘virtual’ reach, a free energy world can broaden our physical reach. That seems like a natural progression.

As you rightly suggested Ilie, a world of abundance means weddings (when valued as symbols of love) are freer to take on the role of pure celebration. You could describe them as an energetic ritual. A psychic gathering of heart-centered well-wishing – to encircle the bonding couple in a wave of support, as a blessing to send them on their way. Much like a house-warming party, filled with valued friends, can imprint the air of a vacant space with familiar, good-hearted vibrations. The more we are freed from scarcity, the greater the room it creates in our lives to focus on kindness and a wealth of well-wishing toward others. We are freer to experience the blissful joy in what feels good, rather than simply relief because whatever is occurring is ‘needed.’

I can picture this future. A world of abundance, filled daily with celebrations – the gentle and full-bodied kind, rather than the raucous escapist kind - glowing on the surface of the planet, across the entire globe. Strengthening the atmosphere with our love. A beautiful thought.

[Melinda]

In resonance with the point touched on here :


...To what extent will our current idea of trade become obsolete?

…I came across this article today :


(NaturalNews) While most people are focused on paying their own bills, sorting through their own finances and seeking to generate more income, unemployed Brice Royer has made it his mission to pay others' rent. Such generosity is just one example of the many ways he helps others. Of course, the burning question exists: Why does he do it?

"Why do I pay others rent and not my own? It's simple. Buying and selling isn't love. It's trade. Giving and receiving is love," said Royer. "I believe trade disconnects us and caused my cancer."

You can read the rest of the short article here :

http://www.naturalnews.com/045932_tumor_shrinkage_cancer_treatment_acts_of_kindness.html

One article it links to goes into detail about the Greek island of Ikaria, one of the places in the world where people are said to live longer than average, in good health :

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

In the extract below, one local comments on the neighbouring island :


“Pointing across the Aegean toward the neighboring island of Samos, he said: “Just 15 kilometers over there is a completely different world. There they are much more developed. There are high-rises and resorts and homes worth a million euros. In Samos, they care about money. Here, we don’t. For the many religious and cultural holidays, people pool their money and buy food and wine. If there is money left over, they give it to the poor. It’s not a ‘me’ place. It’s an ‘us’ place.””

The point about high rises reminded me of another potential benefit of free energy - that the unproductive overcrowding and pollution which occurs in cities and towns, in order to be close to resources (many of which are negative cultural influences), becomes obsolete.

As with so many stories of this nature, people can argue that it comes down to opinion, to a belief system, and - being difficult to prove in controlled scientific experiments - arguments over what’s provable get lost in the detail. But there is a basic logic in the idea that when we are not stressed by the pressures of having to sell to survive and buy to prove ourselves, uplifting feelings of freedom and healing are given breathing space. There is also beauty in living the truth that giving healing to others is also healing (or simply nourishing for) ourselves.

Whether there is establishment scientific consensus or not, more people by the day seem to be making the leap to this kind of logic and experiencing the proof of its benefit in their bodies and their lives.

With free energy, applied with love, we can all experience that breathing space. Not just the few.

Countless outdated ideas of what the future holds become obsolete.

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Much love to all

[Melinda]

One thing that can become obsolete in a world of abundance is living in zones of misery.
Everyone can have a beautiful view, fresh air and live close to the earth, in harmony with her.

With that in mind, I wrote and picture-collaged another mini-vision.



The village begins to land

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/DoodlemakerUK/FutureVillageSwoopingIn_zps642b60d6.jpg


The village settles

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A Future Village

My extended family, made of relatives and friends, has connected beautifully as a group for over ten years. We sense one another's wishes and intent. Some of us are from the North. Some from the South. Our stories and racial inheritance are as varied and complex as the stars. Many of us have shared one or two past lives together.

One of our favourite places to settle the village is in the warm region of the Mediterranean. August is a welcoming month, with mountain breezes winding their curious breath into the forests. We like to make camp beneath one of the giant trees that has been grown up in one of the growth stations that orbit the planet. Some of them grow hundreds of feet tall, and even bear fruit that is larger than you know what to do with. There is plenty.

There are ships of many colours and shapes. If you choose, the outer walls can mirror the outside. Some pods can mould a dip in the roof when the dwellers aren't using the interior upper levels, and then fill the dip with fresh water to make a pool for a summer swim. Other families enjoy growing vegetables on the lower levels, and slide them outside on occasion to invite neighbours or strangers to take their pick. It lets the array of patches commune with local nature spirits.

There are also those who are letting go of the material realm, and prefer the tent life, to be closer to the deer and the dark leopard that roam the land. They walk the earth, and some can even teleport. The tents are built to last hundreds of years, and are often passed down through generations. Sometimes a partner or a child is not yet evolved to a point of controlling their Qi or their psychic field, so it helps to have a room that is weatherproof, that won't tear.

We are always learning from each other, and new souls. My grandmother likes it here. She passed on many moons ago. But her spirit still enjoys visiting. Beneath the old cedar, she's been seen smiling. And laughing. I think she is pleased that we've arrived before the autumn falls. This was her favourite time of year. I get the feeling she's readying herself to move on. She has seen the arrival of my sister's new born, and knows, like we do, that he is destined to travel our solar system.

And Likely beyond.


All is well

[Melinda]

I also recently realized how hard it is for people to understand what the implications for free energy really are on the pollution and environmental destruction front... […] ...even well-meaning and highly intelligent people, who have been in my camp for many years, still have a difficult time understanding it.

Wade, this is a very long post. I almost didn't share, because I know many here are already aware of everything I'll say, and I don't consider myself an 'educator' of your readers, or forum readers. But then a couple of synchronicities occurred that made me think perhaps I should post it, out of love for our planet. If people think I'm stating the obvious they can always join in with their own examples or questions. I posted over on this thread, so as not to take up room on the thread where your quotes are from.

It's really amazing how much FE could reconfigure.

Perhaps it can be seen two ways, in the material sense :
1) How free energy devices reduce immediate pollution
2) How a culture stemming from free energy introduction reduces waste in the long-term

How I've understood part of your aim Wade, is that free energy (FE) devices present a monumental shift in terms of our potential but also a required shift in the sense of our responsibility (especially with the more exotic, powerful tech, like 'zero-point' technologies, the likes of which inventor Floyd Sweet may have been on to.) It could well be that we haven't yet demonstrated as a planetary race the sufficient self-awareness, self-control, or basic and consistent kindness to our planet and each other, to qualify for such power at our fingertips on a local level. So in order to bring about FE introduction globally, from a grass-roots effort, that effort might need to be informed by a more evolved perspective; one rooted in the grounding of scientific analysis / enquiry and also uplifted by the frequency of benign, spiritual philosophy – uniting them both holistically; at a level higher than survivalist mentality – a level that that resonates with love, decency, integrity.

Some dislike the word 'holistic' – as though it has a gaping hole in it. But I think of it more as when parts of consciousness fuse together harmoniously, they create a metaphorical black hole, a singularity, opening an access point to other dimensions of thinking and travelling. (Just some word fun... Unless of course you believe a black hole is only destructive.) :

“...as Nassim Haramein showed in his theory black holes are far more than just large vacuum in space sucking all their surroundings. In fact, the equations from the Haramein-Rauscher solution for the Einstein equation are showing that these astrophysical objects are producing more matter than they absorb.”

https://resonance.is/new-evidences-showing-black-holes-controlling-star-formation/

What if there's a kind of black hole within all of us, capable of producing life in ways we have yet to comprehend? A portal to access the rest of the multiverse via our consciousness, to travel using consciousness, and manifest with consciousness; affecting the physical / material world and dimensions beyond it. It's one way to describe or imagine what's at the core of 'level 19' abilities. (Scroll down here for levels chart : https://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming )

Abundance abounds.

To access it, it would help to create a supportive, healing culture.

If enough of us can create a shared resonance, envisioning an advanced and healing way to apply FE technologies, perhaps that resonance / frequency in itself can pour the foundation, rewrite the code, for an entirely new paradigm - dissolving the blocks in collective consciousness and energy, enough to let the light in, so it takes hold and begins to grow. As though we are all white blood cells on the planet, and if enough activate we can cure the disease in the bloodstream, starting a chain reaction that enables the rest of the immune system (human race) to kick-in. Crucially, part 2 above (developing a free energy culture to reduce waste long-term) means bringing about a new system because we believe, and keep envisioning how, a new system is in fact possible. Clean energy tech alone can't remould our civilisation. It invites us to reconfigure the system around it.

Seeding and creating this new culture means giving up the idea that 'they' (the world's wealthiest minority) will never allow an economic remodel – and calls for enough of us believing a new model is viable, so the old system becomes weakened by diminished psychic / emotional support, and eventually made obsolete by the creation of new living methods that spread from within its midst. First as a consistent vision, and then through application.

I know that's a lot of words, and I apologise. I'm just in love with what they really mean for all of us.

Once the access to FE enables people to become more self-sufficient, and resolves the burden felt by generations for destroying earth's environment, we will have room to grow – free to think clearly, free to be kinder because our immediate concerns are no longer moulded by our survival needs. Free to collaborate rather than compete, because (for example) we will not feel pressured to rush our work or cover our mistakes for fear of losing a job we depend on for food, shelter, transport. That doesn't come about from simply giving people FE devices. It grows from creating a free energy culture.

It's a little like the old saying of give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, but teach him how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Connecting FE devices to people's homes can mean a reduction in energy bills. But providing ways to use that device to become independent and change the average way of life, by offering models for an entirely different culture, and you sew the seeds for a new way of life, beyond sustainability within competition, and into abundance via collaboration.

I think the first step is how it will relieve people of a lot of guilt from destruction, which acts like poison in the unconscious. Many of us bury it for fear of how it will be too much to bear if we acknowledge it consciously before having confidence in the tools to change our ways. We are nation after nation of addicts, hooked up from birth to a system that is inherently toxic. But we have a choice. Proper, clean energy devices enable all of us to change our ways, because we no longer have to depend on an abusive, corrupted economic system. We can thrive on decency and extraordinary levels of benign creativity.


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There is so much waste and pollution that can be reduced.

I like picturing the basic things, like how FE can mean taking the billions of tons of waste dumped annually, and recycling it locally; unlike a lot of today's recycling that gets removed from view, even shipped off to other countries, for incineration or landfill :

'Americans' plastic recycling is dumped in landfills, investigation shows' :
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/21/us-plastic-recycling-landfills

I recall a TV news item decades ago, that showed letters with UK addresses (that had been donated for recycle) at a landfill site in China; the journalist pointed out that consumers who 'recycled' those items in England would have had no idea that's where it would end up.

On waste in general :

“Every year we dump a massive 2.12 billion tons of waste. If all this waste was put on trucks they would go around the world 24 times. This stunning amount of waste is partly because 99 percent of the stuff we buy is trashed within 6 months.”

https://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/shocking_environmental_facts_and_statistics/world_waste_facts

With FE access : people could have many more recycling plants locally, where anti-gravity craft could regularly collect the waste and deliver it at high speed to manufacturing plants. From plastics and metals, to ceramics and textiles, and more. Perhaps advanced energy technology instead of water or harmful chemicals can be used to sterilise materials before they are repurposed. Better yet, people can have cleanly-powered 3D printers in their homes, or shared in their apartment blocks (connected to the internet with open-source design software), to take the waste and generate new and needed items, so it doesn't need to be taken elsewhere. People can build their own tools, clothes, furniture to a customised specification. Reducing the warehouse stock that nobody wants, and recycling what would end up discarded. Imagine tech that could take old jars or an unwanted chair and remould them into a house lamp or a garden tool in minutes, based on your own or an internet design template. Take old computers / machines and build new ones, without even leaving your home.

Anti-gravity vessels can haul massive dumps of waste, decades old, from the earth and the oceans, and recycle it for use in homes, vehicles, clothes and machines. Who knows what pioneering, toughened or breathable, hybrid materials can be invented? A clear-thinking scientific community, in a free energy culture, could invent materials that are not only resilient, but harmless to our bodies, the way some of earth's natural materials are. Because more people would have access to energy, it would expand that scientific community of inventors and creators. Far more good ideas, inventions, recycling methods, all enabled to flourish without bosses, who may lack integrity (or imagination) getting in the way. One of the wonderful products of a culture that would have room to prioritise depth and sense before profit and speed.

I can predict people fearing that this freedom would mean a mass 'outbreak' of irresponsible egomaniacs running wild, inventing dangerous mistakes. But that is exactly what has been happening with the current machine of corporate oversight and responsibility, with cover-up after cover-up (only some of which is brought to public attention, thanks sometimes to brave whistle-blowers.) Cover-ups that regularly result in death and disabilities from wars, polluted ecosystems, deadly pharmaceuticals, slowly-poisonous foods or unhealthy equipment, etc, etc. It's not simple suing a corporate offender, if you lack the funds / time for a drawn out court case. The system is deeply imbalanced.

For as long as people are creating waste because their incomes depend on it, we have a problem.

We can't even handle the amount of recycle dumped legally. Then there's this :

'Company fined for illegal waste dump that killed protected species'
https://resource.co/article/company-fined-illegal-waste-dump-killed-protected-species-12727

“EA Officer Lyndon Essex commented: “Waste crime is a serious offence with tough penalties as it can damage the environment and undermine those who operate legally. This case sends out a clear message that we will not hesitate to take action to ensure the protection of the environment.” Waste crime remains an urgent problem in England, with more than 850 new illegal sites discovered by the EA in 2016/17.”

But under our current profit-led system, being careless is cheaper :

“cruise lines have frequently found it cheaper to pay fines than stop dumping. In 2016, for instance, Princess Cruise Lines was fined $40 million for secretly dumping raw bilge waste into the ocean through what was dubbed “a magic pipe.”
From 'Cruise Tourism in the Caribbean: Selling Sunshine' by Martha Honey

The same entity went on to offend yet again :
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2019/06/11/carnival-cruise-to-pay-20-million-after-admitting-to-dumping-plastic-waste-in-the-bahamas

That kind of cost-effective dumping (despite fines) is not limited to the leisure industry, and in a world of 'corporate responsibility' who knows what toxic and hazardous waste is festering in the oceans.

I just read that 71 percent of the earth's surface is water (we are not short of water, only the energy culture to desalinate and recycle it properly) and I think on how we live in a globally connected ecosystem.

“An estimated 14 billion pounds of trash - most of it plastic - is dumped in the world’s oceans every year.”
https://seastewards.org/projects/healthy-oceans-initiative/marine-debris-and-plastics/

But even without plastic waste (bottles, bags, cosmetics' micro-beads etc), clean energy powering buildings and transport, and everything else, means no more oil spills, nuclear or toxic waste, dumped or buried in our oceans, rivers, farmland, or landfill – polluting the surface and the earth beneath, with waste seeping into ecosystems, animals, wind, rain and underground water supplies. Clean energy can mean new ways to sterilise without chemicals, so less or no toxic cleaning agents or 'forever chemicals' will end up in the water supply.

What if we had the tools to remain creative, but stop creating the waste altogether?

FE can mean far less construction waste, from tooth brushes to buildings. Less waste from all kinds of factory production and retail waste : including cosmetics and pharmaceuticals and their packaging. Firstly, I think make-up will voluntarily become obsolete in an advanced culture, as we grow to be less superficial (but prior to that evolution we can invent less toxic forms, so no need for any faces to panic.) Secondly, a think a lot of advanced technology, not even dependent on high energy input, could mend the body without polluting it with chemicals. There are already natural plants that can provide cures, and advanced technology can complement that rather than replace it. Those natural medicines get suppressed in a world of corporate power. A healthy FE culture is about empowering communities to invent and produce for themselves, and share the results for the joy and the sheer sense of it.

Anti-gravity drones can be used to fly food waste for mulching to organic farms. Advanced tech could scan the waste for pollutants to avoid them re-entering the ecosystem. Free energy can mean people recycling metal and other materials at home and building (with 3D printers) indoor greenhouses, growing their own food and medicine, using their own fertiliser (from food waste), and sharing that food with their neighbours - reducing the global agricultural footprint on the land. Maybe advanced energy systems can mean home-based sewage destruction / sterilisation or repurposing as fertiliser, and no more chemicals in the process.

Non-localised food production and distribution currently results in immense waste :

“food production is the single greatest environmental impact humans have on the planet, and wasted food, if it were a country, would rank as the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases after China and the US (FAO, 2013).”

“One third of food grown globally is never eaten — a shameful waste of land, water and resources”

“Feedback’s investigations into international supply chains... […] ...has shown us first-hand the scale of food waste that occurs on farms, largely unseen to the public.”

“suppliers operate within a ‘climate of fear’ due to highly imbalanced market power between retailers and suppliers, which prevents them speaking out”

https://feedbackglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Farm_waste_report_.pdf

Profit-driven intimidation and pollution, at work once again.


One of my favourite FE culture shifts (given I have regular reminders as an urbanite) is imagining the reduction in noise pollution, from machinery, traffic and construction. Less friction from moving parts – an obvious example being an anti-gravity craft versus a 10 ton lorry. Or picture inventors globally, inventing new ways to soundproof existing machinery and sharing ways to produce the materials via the web. Imagine all the men who currently twist their muscles and damage their hearing using drills to construct or repair buildings, vehicles and underground pipes, instead using FE powered, quiet lasers to swiftly cut materials or demolish old buildings, and FE craft to lift the waste to where it can be recycled. In a free energy culture you won't even need underground pipes any more, as water can be recycled and rejuvenated / restructured at home, even drawn from the air to begin with.

Many of the examples above would be in the early stages of an FE culture, before more people eventually make the move out of tower blocks and cramped cities, into mobile flying homes that can take them not only out of harms way (from storms, earthquakes, fires, tsunamis) but into the solar system beyond earth's skies. Cleanly powered flying vehicles meaning we no longer have to destroy woodland for roads or train lines. I recently signed a petition to protect ancient woodland from that very thing. Imagine every craft being equipped with a recycling machine. No more trash being tossed out of car windows, bashing some poor unsuspecting badger on the head.

As people glean more power locally, they can create and maintain more resources locally, negating the need for people to concentrate resources in cities, enabling people to live in spaces where they can have a more fulfilling connection to nature and room to grow foods and medicines locally, indoors or outdoors. If we live closer to nature, with the free-energy tools to create what we want without chopping down forests and sucking oils and metals from the ground, we are more likely to develop or strengthen a kinship with nature once again - reactivating lost instincts and psychic connections that wait dormant in our psyches or our DNA. It will cure so many causes of loneliness and depression, to reconnect with the vast, varied web of life we were born to.

People sometimes romanticise ancient, tribal living, precisely because of that connection to nature. But with an FE culture of travel and information access, we are freer to build communities based on resonance. Not just through social media, but through physical travel and proximity. I think, for most of us, that's preferable to marrying who the tribal chief approves out of the available 'stock' and pushing out babies to tend the future crops. Most of us appreciate a washing machine, rather than slaving over a steaming pot with a paddle. Equally, I think most people would prefer an anti-gravity craft, over getting stuck in the mud on a country drive, changing tires in a midnight deluge. At least if your FE craft gets the tech equivalent of a 'flat tire' you might have a food farm, a bed and a bathroom inside. And central heating that doesn't die with the car battery. But eventually, the freedom of a free energy culture can lead us back to the joy of our bodies – their capacity for resilience, our capacity to control them – unlike contemporary culture that wears them out with dead-end jobs and fast, factory food.

With clean abundant energy reducing the cost of everything (transport, building, manufacture, recycling...) people are less enslaved, and free to breathe with relief, given the tools to live not only responsibly, but creatively without enforced 'austerity' measures.

I love that gist, so I put it in bold.

Once this conversation can be supported globally, the world's brightest minds can contribute openly to suggesting ways to gradually wean ourselves off of the old economic system. The conversation about people's jobs being made redundant has already begun, with public figures like Mark Zuckerberg and others floating the idea of a universal income, as technology increasingly makes certain jobs obsolete. In that scenario, people do not have the power, corporations do, so people would be dependent on income from authorities for sustenance, while large companies profit from reducing employee costs. In an FE culture model, most people could be given tools to sustain themselves, and create their own benefits, without handouts. If enough people can envision it responsibly, and the conversation about systemic change can be brought, then the economic and societal disruption can be minimised, and the transition mapped with common sense.

Does anyone really believe that the current, bank/profit led economic system takes better care of life than an FE culture would? Better care of the environment, of people consistently made ill, redundant or homeless? The same system that has provided 'recycling' facilities for years, but doesn't recycle much of that collection. The same system where it's cheaper to pay fines than to 'properly' (a questionable word) dispose of hazardous and toxic waste. The same system that lets people starve in one place, while profiting from food waste in another. The same system that lets people suffer from debilitating diseases rather than quit suppressing cures that are inexpensive and harmless to our bodies. The same system where war and death are lucrative industries.


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As I envisage it, clean energy should be about clean systems that echo nature's most effective, harmonious principals.

An example of the opposite principals would be hydro-power from dams, which block the natural flow of earth's water and its inhabitants; or nuclear power with waste so toxic it has to be sealed and buried.

Nature has cyclical systems, where the excrement or decay from its flora and fauna becomes nourishment for the soils, which absorb it, to nourish the seeds that become our foods and medicine – and around it goes. Atoms and energy, in dense physical form, changing forms, being transformed. Clean energy devices may work on similar principals of cycling energy. I'm no inventor, no scientist. But I'm reminded of the toroidal form described by Adam Trombly in his discussion in the film Thrive (see this clip, 83 seconds long) :

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Who even knows how many simpler energy devices have been suppressed, as inventors apply for patents and their work is seized due to it having potential military applications (or some other reason), or buried by powerful companies who buy out inventors? Perhaps technologies that are advanced forms of solar or based on water fuel. Designs that massively improve the efficiency of existing technology.


With the technologies that my friend was shown (http://ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#underground), it would be child’s play to mine the 16 Psyche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Psyche#Characteristics) asteroid, which is almost pure metal. That one asteroid alone would provide all of humanity’s metal needs for the next several million years, at minimum.

I have always been fascinated by the asteroid mining suggestion. It's recycling, but on a potentially galactic level. No more cognitive dissonance for the hippies who love their laptops. No more plundering Africa, and turning a blind eye to how it is steeped in blood, just so the world outside can have its tablets and cell phones :

“Pick up any household electronic -- a phone, a remote, or a laptop -- and it could contain minerals mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, a country where armed rebel groups connected with crimes of rape and murder profit from trade of these minerals.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/is-your-cell-phone-fueling-civil-war-in-congo/241663/

'Congo mine deploys digital weapons in fight against conflict minerals' (2019 article) :
“Car companies and electronics firms such as Apple, Samsung and IBM are all under pressure to show metals used in products such as laptops, video game consoles or electric vehicle batteries are sourced responsibly”

“ITSCI plans to introduce digital systems soon in Burundi, Rwanda and Uganda, while RCS operates its barcode system at two Rwandan mines. But both say it would be difficult to do the same across Congo due to poor infrastructure and high costs.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-congo-mining-insight/congo-mine-deploys-digital-weapons-in-fight-against-conflict-minerals-idUSKBN1WG2W1

Let Africa be sovereign, and have the tools to develop freely and experience prosperity. No more modern, corporate twists on old Western imperialism - fuelled in the current era by average consumers, no longer just the dictate of kings and queens. We all play our part and can embrace the solutions.

With an FE culture, people can be equipped with the power and tools to share, via open source, the methods to manufacture and recycle locally – taking the reigns from the corporate profiteers with their substandard manufacture, its built-in obsolescence and limited lifespan for software and parts.

Even the manufacture of 'environmentally friendly' solar panels and recycling of e-waste can currently be problematic, even toxic, as I referenced here :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70529-Peak-Oil-debate...resolved&p=823095&viewfull=1#post823095

where I linked to this article :

'A Scarcity of Rare Metals Is Hindering Green Technologies'
https://e360.yale.edu/features/a_scarcity_of_rare_metals_is_hindering_green_technologies

Solar panels and wind-farms all take up room, can be intermittent (depending on weather) and can interfere with ecosystems. What if we were able to have small devices / generators small enough to fit in the corner of a car boot, or a kitchen cabinet, nestled under the stairs, or on a rooftop? There may well be issues with a new, different kind of pollution, electromagnetic or otherwise, that comes with such devices. But the sooner we are strong enough in numbers to make an intelligent FE conversation audible, in a way that is safe and evolved, the sooner we can address them, if they exist. There will always be naysayers and disinformation infiltrators, surfacing to sabotage. The issue is whether enough of a stronger frequency can emerge to mute that influence.


The Biggest Leap :

Many advanced gadgets to help us recycle and stop polluting are a just warm-ups for what could be the most fundamental shift that arises eventually from an advanced free energy culture. Namely that a lot of greed or desire (and pollution with it) is arguably born out of a sense of having been deprived – deprived due to lack of earnings, or deprived due to spending so much time earning, or competing for love or money, that you crave 'goods' as a trophy reward or a distraction. Once people are able to experience material abundance it follows that many will likely lose interest in 'possessing' the material and opt for a less materialist, more streamlined way of life – as their minds are drawn to deeper ideas and higher dimensions of thinking.

A lot of spiritual or emotional 'pollution' such as racism or bigotry is born out of poverty and insecurity (even wealthy bigots are insecure about losing their wealth, or feel guilty deep down for how they got it.) With a clean energy culture removing that class divide, the causes of much competition and insecurity can be lessened significantly.


I have a much higher opinion of humanity than the doomsayers who openly fear free energy (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#level5) and argue that with free energy, humanity would just have bigger wars and quickly strip-mine Earth. Not only do such people hold a dim view of humanity, history has shown that it is not even accurate and actively ignores that people will become more humane and act more harmlessly if they can afford to.

And these might be, in some cases, the same pessimists who claim we need to reduce our population drastically, which connects up with a point I didn't mention in my last post; that the push for people to alter their own bodies through transgender choices, could also lead to an increase in numbers of people who won't procreate.

With a particularly world-famous, elitist British family in the news of late, I was reminded of a well known 'quip' by one of its senior members, that should he re-incarnate he might choose to come back as a deadly virus to help with earth's overpopulation problem. I don't think it's any secret that certain individuals think nothing of floating such vile ideas as a solution to what they consider too many people on the planet, despite apparently being reluctant to relieve the earth of themselves first to lighten the burden.

Do we want a world that enables all of us to live safely and prosper, whilst simultaneously healing earth's environment? Or would we rather let people in positions of power keep telling us there is no option other than to sterilise or eliminate many of us and reduce standards of living and creativity for those 'lucky' enough to remain? Hmmn. Pretty sure I don't like the latter option, nor do I trust those hinting at or promoting it as logical.

Raise the standard of living, which depends on energy access, and people will likely not be having as many children, partly because they have other things they would rather be doing, or they are better educated, or they no longer fear losing children to ill health, but also because they will no longer be dependent on offspring to help with labour for survival or to care for them in old age :

Krishna made a post about population growth gradually slowing, a long time ago in Post 5308 on thread Page 266 :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=972518&viewfull=1#post972518

I don't think the biggest threat to humanity and the earth is population growth, it is the stunted growth of our thinking, the perpetuation of artificial scarcity that fuels a narrow-minded and survivalist mindset. You won't cure that with enforced austerity. You can cure it with clean energy, in the spiritual and material realms.

Pollution and destruction in a world of austerity, versus an environmentally responsible paradise on earth; the creation of which could assist us all in raising our consciousness to travel to higher dimensions after our souls leave our bodies. Hmmn, not exactly the hardest of choices.

Over the years I have had, I believe, a tiny amount of experience with affecting electronics and matter with my mind. There are probably millions who have had that kind of experience consciously (and perhaps billions more unconsciously.) When I would do little experiments with electronics I would feel a change in my body, my brain chemistry and my energy field, and afterwards I would pray – to focus that heightened creational energy towards peace, in alignment with the highest good of all. But there was one particular occasion where I had an experience of moving a dense (though not heavy) physical object through psychokinesis, and in my mind I asked for confirmation that we were connected and asked it to move again, and it did.

I was on a natural, soulful high and highly charged with energy, having not long before been through an experience that involved adrenaline, around many hundreds of people whose emotion was fairly charged, also in a positive way and focused at me. I wonder if I had empathically absorbed others' energy, and having created an experience, in the dreamer's sense 'from the heart,' it all came together. A combination of fuels - spiritual, psychic, physical. It is all about energy. Though there are far easier ways to enhance those abilities, and sometimes they emerge effortlessly, in solitude, in the early hours of a morning, when the mind is too tired to create a block. It simply gets out of the way.

On a path to level 19 culture we are capable of accessing all kinds of innate abilities, as many individuals already do. Healing with energy, experiencing and learning clairsentience, clairvoyance, remote-viewing, teleportation using consciousness instead of hardware. We are incredibly powerful. Another benefit of a relaxed and benign free energy culture, is that not only will more people have the time to explore these abilities through love, but the more who develop them, the more will be awakened to them in themselves, simply by being surrounded by others in whom the abilities are already active. It is our nature as psychic beings, connected to one another, although it has been suppressed for so long – with shamans and practitioners fearing for their lives.

I understand why sometimes this subject feels so huge, the potential so vast, that people prefer to leave our destinies to God. But what if while we are on earth we are prone to experience what is merely an illusion, however persistent and frustrating, of being separate from that divine intelligence? I do not see a free energy culture of gadgets and 'man made' machines drawing us further from the natural or the spiritual world. That's an experience of technology abuse, through the pressures of a corporatocracy and its distorted, profit-driven aims. We can create something completely different. A world and a culture that is deeply connected to divine intelligence. A world that deeply embraces the earth and her beings.

Personally, I am not interested in a world of technology implanted in the body. That is something being pushed by profiteering corporations, that gives easier access to and control over populations. I prefer to visualise a culture where technology assists us in polluting less; providing us with tools to protect ourselves from destructive natural forces, and supporting creativity so we can effectively share our learning, our sciences, our art. Freeing us from drudgery so we have choices. The choice to develop psychically, given the chance to focus. The choice to live in sublime simplicity, barefoot and bathed in forest light, communing with earth spirits and higher dimensional beings – or make lives of stimulating complexity, flying through the stars in exploratory craft and learning alien language. Plus everything that flows in between.

I know some people believe it's naïve of me to waste time, dreaming up an FE culture that will never be 'permitted.' My answer to them is, that level of thinking is hardly helping.

As always, love is key. Love of earth, her array of life.

And a forgiving, loving vision of our own humanity.

Our potential is technically and truly infinite.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Well, Melinda’s post is a perfect example of the issues that I face in this task. I had to coax her to post it. We’ll see if anybody tops that this year. Lots to respond to, and I’ll just cut to the chase and say that all that Melinda points to as future possibilities is on the pathway to this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748).

The harmonic effect of a choir (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#choir) will be real, but I don’t expect that 99.999% or so of humanity will begin to understand until free energy is delivered into their lives (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#brink), and that is OK. I don’t expect that the choir that I have in mind will serenade humanity into a higher level of integrity and sentience, but it will serve as the center of gravity for the people who will do something. If anybody else gets anything out of it, it will be gravy. I only need a hundred thousand or so (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#numbers) of those do-something people, if we were going to do all of the heavy lifting ourselves, but that also might not be necessary. For them, the choir will be critical, serving as inspiration and guidance. Once FE makes its appearance, the choir can definitely help guide humanity into a harmless transition into the Fifth Epoch (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5).

I have stated this many times, and the parallels are a good one for getting a glimpse of what the Fifth Epoch will mean on a human level. Just like the USA acts like it invented freedom, I see all the time how the USA fought a war to end slavery (one of the many Big Lies of American history :) ). There is a big recency effect with those kinds of discussions. What happened in the USA was at the tail-end of several thousand years of slavery (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#slaverybeginning) as a hallowed institution. The transatlantic slave trade was just a recent manifestation of the institution.

When I recently watched that TV show about my ancestors (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/53-Wade-s-Blog/page20?p=1955&viewfull=1#post1955), I thought that it fairly depicted the attitude of whites toward slaves in the Antebellum South. The slaves weren’t quite people. It is not easy for 21st century industrial peoples to wrap their heads around the mentality that self-righteously considered people to be property (as long as it wasn’t them :) ). Then, with the rise of machines that made brute human labor uneconomical, people suddenly grew consciences that saw slavery as evil. All that happened was an economic boom that made the previous social institution uneconomical, and suddenly, the social structures that supported it quickly disintegrated. For an institution that lasted several thousand years, to go from hallowed (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#southseas) to the dustbin of history in little over a century of industrialization is arguably the most dramatic social change in the human journey. That wasn’t all that changed. Women’s social roles radically changed, partly due to the demographic transition (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#demographic), which was also entirely dependent on industrialization, although nattering economists often can’t quite see it.

That change would be child’s play compared to the social and ideological changes that would accompany the advent of the Fifth Epoch. A world of abundance, for everybody. Poverty (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#cognitive), warfare (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#peacekeeping), pollution (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#immediate), and any environmental harm (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#forest2) become distant memories, looked back on by Fifth Epoch peoples like we look at cave men today. They will scarcely be able to wrap their minds around the idea of a world where scarcity and fear (http://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming) abound, with humanity on the fast-track to our self-extinction (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#spaceshipearth), and almost nobody doing anything about it. Their difficulty in imagining our lives today will be easy compared to our ability to imagine their lives. They will live in a world that shows like Star Trek (http://ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#trek) can only hint at. That human potential that Melinda hinted at in her post would be largely realized in the Fifth Epoch, as everybody lives in abundance, peace, and love. It is the heaven on Earth that the ancient masters spoke of, and it is just around the corner, if enough of us can muster the integrity and sentience to hit more of the beautiful notes that Melinda just sang.

For all the wonderful aspects of Melinda’s writings, what is perhaps the most encouraging to me is that Melinda does not have a scientific background, but she is all over many of the practical outcomes of what free energy will mean for humanity. Refraining from polluting will be an effortless task. People are not going to have to engage in self-discipline to not throw that bottle away. There won’t be a bottle! :) Very little of today’s world will survive into the Fifth Epoch for long. The consumer, celebrity, drug, hedonist, capitalist culture will vanish as just more aspects of today’s dysfunctional culture. Nobody is going to have to campaign against those practices. People will happily give them up; just a child gives up diapers and training wheels.

A lot more to write about, but this old man needs to go to bed.

Yes, Melinda, your writings are worthy. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I get back to the task at hand (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/139-The-Cast-of-Characters-on-My-Journey?p=2042&viewfull=1#post2042), a little more on Melinda’s latest (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1332901&viewfull=1#post1332901)…

The rise of alternative sexuality is a common issue in overcrowded populations, as animals begin engaging in “non-productive” sex. That has something to do with what we are seeing with the bizarre transsexual (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/109-The-Medical-Racket?p=2037&viewfull=1#post2037) phenomenon. I see it as just another sign of the times. In the Fifth Epoch, people won’t mutilate their bodies to ape the other gender. We will all be able to comfortably live in our skin, and our bodies will be temples to be cherished. Tattoos, piercings, mutilations, drugs, fashion – those will all vanish, and nobody will miss them. We will have infinitely larger fish to fry.

To me, whether there are ten billion people on Earth or one billion is not nearly as important as how we live. With free energy and attendant technologies, Earth could support 100 billion people at unheard of standards of living, and the environment would not be harmed at all. But maybe a billion or less is what an enlightened humanity will choose. We’ll see. We definitely won’t live in big cities (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#cities), jammed cheek-by-jowl. That is what an energy-scarcity paradigm looks like.

In the Fifth Epoch (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5), human societies will not produce any waste. Everything can be recycled, in a process that resembles Star Trek’s replicators, but toxic substances will largely not be produced in the first place, as well as the trash, plastic and otherwise, that societies create today. Consumerist society will go the way of slavery. When everybody lives in true abundance, almost nothing about today’s world will survive.

There will be something resembling government, but its charges will be maintaining abundance for all, harmlessness, and the wellbeing of every living thing will be its concern. I have a hard time imagining it, and I know that my sketch of the Fifth Epoch only scratches the surface.

With just the technologies that I know about (http://ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#underground), which are carefully sequestered from humanity in history’s greatest cover-up (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#ufo2), making a world of abundance for all people would be child’s play. Tell talented engineers to design a world in which energy, gravity, and available materials were not constraints, and while it might take them a little while to stop jumping up and down in excitement, they will be like kids in candy stores. My friend’s show also included exotic materials. Flubber is not all that fictional.

It will not take long for this world (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32399-A-Future-Earth&p=672748&viewfull=1#post672748) to begin to come into view, once the floodgates open.

Those technologies that my friend was shown will turn today’s physics upside-down. Today’s corpus of physics, and science in general, soon will be seen as quaint notions from a primitive time. I expect something like the scientific method (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#theories) to survive, but it is going to be utterly transformed by a revolution in human consciousness. What I experienced in the Silva course (http://ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva) will be what all children learn to do, and vast vistas of human potential will be explored. Melinda’s telekinetic experience will be seen as a normal event and baby steps. Human consciousness and technology will partner in ways that can be scarcely imagined today, and some will graduate to what I have called Level 19 (http://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19).

Scarcity and fear (http://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming) will be left far, far behind, consigned to humanity’s dustbin, along with slavery, war, and exploitation.

Is all of that worth learning to hit a few notes to help bring into being? :)

What Melinda is doing is along the lines of the choir (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#choir) that I have in mind, and she does not have a scientific background. This stuff really is not that hard to understand in its basics. My work is more about the heart (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/86-More-on-the-helpful-prerequisites-for-forum-participation?p=308&viewfull=1#post308) than the head. My big essay was designed to be read and understood by non-scientists. Heck, I am not a credentialed scientist or scholar. This will be an effort of amateurs. :)

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Actually, coaxing Melinda to post it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1332930&viewfull=1#post1332930) is a little bit of an understatement: I had to coax her to write it. :) This is typical of what it is like to do what I do. Melinda first approached me by joining Avalon nearly eight years ago. It only took a few interactions before I could see that she could hit the notes, and she has been hitting them ever since. Oh, she has learned over the years, but who wouldn’t? The learning never ends.

Melinda does not approach this as a scientist, entrepreneur, or the many other roles I have encountered over the years, but as a poet whose heart is in the right place. That is really about all that I have ever really needed (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/86-More-on-the-helpful-prerequisites-for-forum-participation?p=308&viewfull=1#post308). Melinda may never be able to have a deep discussion of this chapter (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#colonize1) of my big essay, but she gets a pass on that. What else that she brings to the table is plenty for what I have in mind (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#choir).

I have received all manner of reaction to my work, my effort, and the like, and for those who I know can hit the notes, it has been a task of coaxing, encouraging, and suggesting, as people creep around the edges of the stage that I stand on, not sure that they can contribute. There was no job description that I had to respond to in an ad, when I began the journey of my public writings. I just started doing it. At first, it was “dear diary” stuff and letters to the editor (http://ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#jesus), writing to people such as Uncle Noam (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#chomsky), and then this thing called the Internet happened, and I have been writing for the public since 1996, nearly continuously, never receiving a dime, taking years off from my career to produce my public writings, and seeing if I can make a dent somehow. The heavy lifting has already been done. The stage has been set, and if the people I seek can do the work and hit the notes, the Fifth Epoch (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5) is not so very far off. If not my effort, then another. The approach will work, even if I may not live to see it come to fruition. The challenge will be finding the people who can hit the notes. Scientists hit different notes from what Melinda does, such as Michael Hyson (http://ahealedplanet.net/forum/threads/79-Introducing-Michael-Hyson?p=168&viewfull=1#post168) and Brian O (http://ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm). Mine is the accountant’s version. :) The choir will need voices with different timbres, different specialties, different adventures, and the like.

When I see Melinda make her recent post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1332901&viewfull=1#post1332901), I know that what I am doing has a chance.

Best,

Wade

[Chris Gilbert]

The aspect of a free energy world I will enjoy the most?

Never again having to experience the tension and inner conflict between doing what I have to do to survive, versus doing what enriches the soul. Even though it is necessary for my self employed work, I've never liked having to market myself (I might one day just hire someone else to do it for me). I also hate the fact that caring for myself and my wife comes at the inevitable expense of other lifeforms, and that my advantages growing up in America partly came from Native Americans having their land stolen from them after centuries of war and decimation by Old World diseases. While all organisms tend to look out for their own, doing so in a human body at this point in time comes with an incredible toll for the rest of the biosphere.

I want to be in true symbiosis with the rest of the world, not only in my spiritual values, but in my physical living as well.

[Chris Gilbert]

Recent thought I had today was how often people feel a need to define themselves through some form of struggle. Back in May-July my wife had to furlough for several months, but it actually worked out for us as she was getting the extra $600 in unemployment benefits. For myself, I ended up taking a week off of work due to being worried about a sore throat (something I would ordinarily pay no mind if there wasn't a global pandemic), and due to my workplace being extra careful I was easily approved for the time off, in addition to getting hazard pay.

I read the comments of several older folks at the time (generally boomer men) who were absolutely incensed at people "being paid to sit on their asses". Some of these individuals were "sitting on their asses" for awhile themselves during the height of lockdown. :facepalm: What I notice with this is that the concern wasn't necessarily for inflation or higher taxes (though those are valid concerns), but more so, said individuals have a hard time wrapping their mind over the idea of a world where their existence isn't defined by working themselves into an early grave. There is a sort of Stockholm syndrome addiction to scarcity, and to see anyone leave the plantation, infuriates them.

While I did splurge a bit on video games for a couple days during my week off, I quickly got antsy, and started spending time on other things that I had put off for awhile due to being too tired and busy with work, such as making some much needed home repairs, getting my garden started and going over some old writing projects connected to my Qigong work. My wife also stayed VERY busy with various projects during her time off. The idea that we have to constantly struggle to find meaning doesn't hold water either when looking at horticultural societies who had more leisure time and a healthier relationship with work.

When free energy comes into public use, I can definitely see a transition period as the need for various types of jobs dries up, and people are left having to redefine what gives their life meaning. People like my wife and I can adapt pretty quickly, but others may take longer.

Just as conceiving what will be made obsolete by free energy is important, I would say another important thought/meditation exercise, is to still the mind, look in the mirror, and ask oneself "What will I do throughout the day when I don't HAVE to struggle for money to live?"

[Sue (Ayt)]

Just as conceiving what will be made obsolete by free energy is important, I would say another important thought/meditation exercise, is to still the mind, look in the mirror, and ask oneself "What will I do throughout the day when I don't HAVE to struggle for money to live?"

By coincidence, this video that I saw last night ponders these same thoughts, Chris. So you are in good company, it seems. :heart:
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[Wade Frazier]

Hi Chris (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1384125&viewfull=1#post1384125):

Yes, there will be a transition out of this Epoch, and I expect it to take a generation or two, as there will be some cultural “momentum.” Some will act like lottery winners, getting status goods and bling, before realizing that vying for status will not make much sense in a world of abundance (http://ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance). Others will feel lost for a little while, but adjusting to true abundance should not be too hard. :) I think that the people who are adults if/when free energy makes its appearance will have some difficulty leaving behind the baggage of a world based on scarcity, and some might well die with their bling, and bequeath it to their children, who won’t treasure it. Children who grow up in the Fifth Epoch should easily adapt. I don’t see much, if any, trauma attending the process, but there may be some frustrated psychopaths (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#gc). :)

I have seen that in my life, as my parents’ generation was big into fancy heirlooms and bling-ish stuff, which doesn’t mean much to my generation, and I have even refused offers to take some of that stuff off of their hands. When an aunt died several years ago, within days of her husband’s passing, their children sold off just about all of the bling and heirlooms, which I think sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars. One family heirloom was a receipt for a slave, from the early 1800s. I don’t know what happened to it, but my grandfather kept it next to his bed. It wasn’t a blood relative’s receipt, but from a family close to ours. I guess that that is not as bad a keeping the skulls of the vanquished around to use as bowls, which was a common Second Epoch (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal2) practice, but sheesh!

So, when the Fifth Epoch arrives, there will be “lost souls” for a time, like those desk jockeys, but new horizons of the human potential will beckon, and I know that all of my imaginings (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5) over the years only scratches the surface of them.

For me, it will all be about a harmless transition to the Fifth Epoch. Warfare, and raping the environment for short-term economic gain, will be almost immediately seen as suicidally stupid, and after about a generation, of peacekeeping grandmothers (http://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#peacekeeping) and the like, nobody is going to have to be reminded anymore, and the byword will be peace and plenty for all. All of today’s dominant ideologies (http://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant) will quickly become obsolete. I don’t know if I will live to see humanity turn the corner, but that transition to the Fifth Epoch promises to be highly interesting.

Best,

Wade

P.S. I don’t often do it, but I watched that yogi’s talk (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1384127&viewfull=1#post1384127), and am happy that I did.

[rgray222]

Just as conceiving what will be made obsolete by free energy is important, I would say another important thought/meditation exercise, is to still the mind, look in the mirror, and ask oneself "What will I do throughout the day when I don't HAVE to struggle for money to live?"

By coincidence, this video that I saw last night ponders these same thoughts, Chris. So you are in good company, it seems. :heart:
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Thanks for posting, wonderful video.

[Chris Gilbert]

Lately my wife and I have been discussing the option of moving to Arizona. We took a trip there back in late 2015 to visit with close friends and enjoyed it greatly. While I do love Michigan lakes and forests, the landscape and foliage in Arizona is beautiful to me as well.

What I do find myself worrying about however is the fact that, in terms of current mainstream technology, the Pheonix metro area in Arizona is one of the most unsustainable cities on the planet, especially in regards to water usage. While it is possible to build desalination plants to use seawater and pump it up to the city, the capitalist system is not much onboard with it due to the costs.

Awhile back a confidant opined to me that initially free energy would not necessarily solve other resource problems in regard to land use, population expansion, water and food. While true to an extent, there are countless options that would open up once 'cost' in the capitalist/centralized control system no longer becomes an issue.

New study on Arizona's water supply options (https://www.amwua.org/blog/new-study-looks-at-arizonas-water-supply-options)

Pima County Desalination Plant (https://www.governing.com/next/pima-county-considers-building-costly-desalination-plant)


The proposed $4.1 billion desalination project would add as much as $90 to the typical Tucson-area monthly water bill, but if the region grows as predicted, it may be necessary. Many expect it could take decades to get approval.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Chris (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=1475808&viewfull=1#post1475808):

Thanks for posting here! People who say that free energy would only initiate minor changes truly don’t understand. Free energy will initiate the Fifth Epoch (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#epochal5), and almost nothing of our world today will survive in the Fifth Epoch. Your friend’s comment is like saying that if Biden announced free energy tomorrow, we would still all have to go to work on Monday. That is true, however…

In my studies since 2015 for updating my big essay, I have been studying the demographic transition (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#demographic) quite a bit. There was the original one, centered in Northern Europe, England in particular, where industrialization began, and there were the others that followed. Today, the education of women is the biggest factor in the demographic transition of poor nations, as education is the cheapest and fastest way for a society to plug into the world’s industrial infrastructure. The demographic transition is by far the greatest event in the human journey, and it was a mere side-effect of industrialization. We went from only half of children living to adulthood to nearly 100% of them making it.

I just read this (https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/01/12/what-happens-when-the-worlds-most-populous-country-starts-to-shrink/) this morning on what China’s demographic transition portends. The demographic transition’s impact on women has been particularly profound. The biggest indicator of the change between agrarian and industrial societies has been the role of women, and since the Industrial Revolution is so young, we still have a great deal of “cultural momentum” of the Third Epoch, which in the USA can be seen in the contrast between Red States and Blue States. In Red States, they are trying to make women barefoot and pregnant again by outlawing abortion, while in Blue States we see the nuttiness of postmodernism, the transsexual craze, and other signs of chaos as people try to digest the transition from agrarian societies and the changing roles of the sexes.

As dramatic as the change from the Third to Fourth Epoch has been, it is nothing at all compared to what the transition to the Fifth Epoch portends. But my message is that with the final defeat of scarcity and fear (https://ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming) as the social control mechanisms of the elites, as elites will vanish (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#elitedisappear) in a global economy of abundance, the human potential will flower as never before. Everybody’s birthright will be to aspire to their greatest potential as a member of a truly sentient species in which love abounds, not fear.

The world will end as we know it in the Fifth Epoch, and those who do cost projections on water desalination to serve desert cities have a worm’s-eye view of what the Fifth Epoch will mean. But in the human journey, nobody ever imagined (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#imagine) what the coming Epoch meant, or even if there was a coming Epoch, so your friend’s myopia is normal. I have become far more sympathetic to that kind of blindness over my journey, but my plan (https://ahealedplanet.net/humanity.htm#choir) needs people who can see! :)

Best,

Wade