What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Ilie Pandia]

Let make a short trip in a not so distant future and examine what will be impact of Free Energy in our life, and more specifically what technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy.

Will just assume, for practical purposes that we have 3 devices available. One as small as a matches box for medium energy requirements (like powering a house), one as big as a shoe box that could power a small city and a another larger one with really big power output. In other words, we have energy for every need and in whatever amount is required.

So I'll start with a short list from the top of my head, to which I will add later:

- gas stations would disappear (probably to be replaced with storage areas from where you can pick up a FE device)

- my hope is that soon enough teleportation would become possible, so cars would become obsolete

- gold would loose its perceived value, because with enough energy you can transmute other elements into gold

- the concept of "profit" would go away

- the concept of "work" would also become obsolete. I seriously doubt people would sit around all day, but rather start doing what they've always wanted, now that profit is not an issue

- I suspect the weapons industry would become obsolete or rather transformed to develop products you would need around the house (Fuller had a nice name that I can't recall for such products) or to work to clean the planet

- recycling and waste are another two that will go away. Today's "waste" is only waste because it takes to much energy to convert it into something useful or to store it safely.

I'll stop here now and let others chip in! :)

Is there something you do now that would be made obsolete or totally transformed by Free Energy?

[jsb_swampfox]

I have pondered the possibilities myself, how the world would be transformed through free energy technologies. First order of business IMO is to make it a crime against humanity and the planet to suppress any technology that is a beneficial improvement to all life of the planet. Thats something we can do now....

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi jsb_swampfox,

Share how you saw the world transformed. Lets leave the "how do we get there" for another discussion :).

Thinking a bit about your post, probably "the police" will be close to obsolete in a Free Energy society!! :biggrin:

[Ruby L.]

The usage of free energy would definitely cut out fuel-emitted pollutions.
Bangkok, Hong Kong, Mexico City, for example, would know what blue skies are, again.

Also, FE would cut out the need to drill into Earth for oil and gasses-- no longer having to mess up ecosystems and lives along the way.

[Lord Sidious]

Law enforcement and prisons would be obsolete, if profit and scarcity were not artificial constructs.

[DoubleHelix]

Law enforcement and prisons would be obsolete, if profit and scarcity were not artificial constructs.

Well said Rob. 99% of today's problems stem from people living in a state of shortage. The glorification of material and social acquisition seems to be equally destructive too.

[<8>]

I have worked in the construction business for to most of my life, i am thinking in the terms of heavy machinery.

If we whant to skip the part of using machinery to reshaping the land for whatever reason of buildings we need to build in the future on land.
The only way to this is "Anti Gravity", floating houses is the only way to go if you DONT whant to disturb nature. And reduce the making of more machinery and all what comes whid that.

I sugesst all are cabel free, so there are no need for disturb the land, and water we can allready take from the air. About the plumbing, there allready realy good boxes there it filters through so it's almost clean.

But we are still gonna need transports for many reasons, i sugesst anti gravity for NO more road buidings.


thanks....

[Ilie Pandia]

All right!

Good ideas flowing!

I just remembered that I forgot about the big guys: the power plants! Those will be gone... all of them along with any pollution they're causing and related to that the batteries industry will be obsolete. Why use batteries with limited charge, that have a limited life and die on you when you most need them! And there goes the chargers too! :biggrin:

Speaking of law enforcement... I think lawyer will be out of work and go smell the flowers and green fields! ;)

<8>, construction business... that's interesting. I know nothing about it but I bet it required tons of energy. I don't think this industry will become obsolete, but it will surely transform.

[Seikou-Kishi]

With free energy, the whole concept of "you get out what you put in" goes right out of the window, and with it all concepts like working for a living, as you have said. If people no longer had to work, or had to work only very minimally, then people would have an abundance of free time in which to fulfil the purpose of their existence and nurture their spirituality.

Of course, there is another, less appealing possibility. As they say, the devil makes work for idle hands. It is quite possible people could have so much free time they'd not know what to do with it, and like the breaking of the atom the bounty of free energy could be channelled into less productive means than Earth's own ivory tower. I suspect a very special few would look upon free energy as a still more impressive way of blowing people to smithereens.

[ktlight]

I agree that our mode of transport is really odd in this time. I feel we would already be teleporting, with a belt around our waist and one button to switch on and then using the mind to get from A to B, N to S etc. if free energy were available for free use.

Computers will be holographic, as will entertainment and games systems. Air and water will be clean. Water will be taken from the oceans for use on land.

Data will be stored on one cell and be freely available to humanity, so no more necessity to discern (provided the stored data is true). Then the need for politics will end. There will be another fairer way to guide the world, agreed upon by all, but not forced, agreement stored in the available data so there will be no reneging.

Everything could change for the better.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Oliver,

The "bad guys" already have FE and they did not blow us up. My hunch is that FE cannot be used that way and instead blew in their face. But is just a hunch...

However, lets keep this vision of the future positive eh? :biggrin:

Cool part about "you get out what you put in" not being applicable any longer!

Hi Kathy,

Teleportation is my dream! The transportation we are using now is so old!

"Data will be stored on one cell and be freely available to humanity" that will also make patents obsolete, thank goodness!!

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think most people, when they are met with abundance, generally seem ecstatic in their need to share it with everybody. We see it when a person wins the lottery and gives it away to as many charities as they can think of. It's possible that free energy would turn us all into a giddy and zealous bunch of sharers all eager to show whatever life we encounter the blessings of our knowledge. We could exalt even the most basic of animals by lavishing upon them all the care and attention they could ever hope for and not just as reparations for a past when we took so much and with so little regard. We could look into the eyes of our newborn children knowing that they would never go without and that they need never suffer famine and destitution for the simple providence of birth and that they will grow up completely focused on the important things.

The world would progress from the awful, predatory nature of the scarcity mindset in a world with insufficient resources to one in which an abundance mindset frees us up to express, as David Icke says, our infinite consciousness and infinite love. With complete abundance, «me vs you» becomes patently absurd while «me & you» is the only way to go.

[ktlight]

Hopefully mankind will not have the same mindset, to avoid abuse of what will be available and to know how to avoid any pitfalls.

[Tane Mahuta]

In a post transformed World of Free Energy...

All human suffering will end...

All mankinds illnesses will be cured...

Human conflict will be obsolete...

Accountants, Lawyers, Money People,

will too, be obsolete

TM

[<8>]

All right!

Good ideas flowing!

I just remembered that I forgot about the big guys: the power plants! Those will be gone... all of them along with any pollution they're causing and related to that the batteries industry will be obsolete. Why use batteries with limited charge, that have a limited life and die on you when you most need them! And there goes the chargers too! :biggrin:

Speaking of law enforcement... I think lawyer will be out of work and go smell the flowers and green fields! ;)

<8>, construction business... that's interesting. I know nothing about it but I bet it required tons of energy. I don't think this industry will become obsolete, but it will surely transform.

Thanks...:)

About heavy machinery, i think it mostly gonna be needed at farming the food for the human race. Allready to day they try to build the new houses inside at the factory and transport parts of it to the site and the put it together.

For the machines we still need, mostly the heavy machinery are using hydraulic system, it's really just a pump who builds up pressure on the oil to puch for example an excavator arm or move the machine back or forth. It's easy to replace the diesel engine wid a free energi sorce who power the pump instead.

Then we have all the machines on the golf courses, allready back in the 90ths i was introduced to all the same machines but they ran wid batteries. And remember many of them to use a hydraulic system to power whatever the sytem are.

And once again free power source on them and we are good to go..:) im not sure we want to play golf tho..:P

[Ilie Pandia]

How about the concept of "ownership"..... would that go away?... I'd like to think so.

We feel the need to own stuff because there is not enough for everyone! (an illusion I know!). So in the abundant Free Energy society we will not need to own anything (or anybody).

PS: And with ownership gone the "lock and key" industry becomes obsolete :biggrin:

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello <8>,

I imagine that the "heavy machinery" business will shift a lot to building space craft and "colony pods"... possibly "terra-forming" if we find a way to get approval from the land. But one instant improvement with Free Energy would be as you say replacing the fossil fuel, resulting in "zero pollution".

Not sure if it works, but I'd like to imagine that the oil and the water could be replaced with magnetic fields. They seem much more clean and easy to come by if you have abundant energy.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think ownership would go away, but I think what most people imagine as a concept of 'ownershipless' is slightly different. I imagine most people think of a society without ownership as being:

1) I currently have this item.
2) Somebody wants this item that I have, so I hand it to them.
3) I no longer have this item, but this somebody now has it.

I think in a society without ownership, people would still have things but they would share them freely simply because nobody would have a grasping, greedy personality. People grasp onto things because they think that if they loosen their grip, they will be gone and spirited away by other people. In a society without ownership, I think people would still 'be surrounded by things that are associated with them', but they would not demarcate these things as owned by them because they would not feel the need to defend their access to them.

To summarise my round-the-houses post, I would say that greed is a result of fear that one will not have access to things one needs. With complete abundance, one would not fear a lack of access to resources and so would be quite happy to share whatever one has. "It doesn't matter, I'll get another one". It is, I guess, essentially the good side of the old phrase "easy come, easy go".

[ktlight]

We would probably need some form of ID, to use what will be available to us, so that, say, when we access our computer holograms, we can continue where we left off. There would have to be some form of connection, either through the teleportation belt or the mind or something similar.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hey Oliver,

That is exactly what I've meant by making ownership obsolete. There will still be things around us that we will use but there will be no point in saying something "is mine". My dream is that replicators will be available... so as soon as you need something you can replicate it, when you're done and no one else needs it, you may return it back to being energy...

And with that, "accounting" will become an obsolete concept. And while at it Wall Street and everything about it will be a thing of the past... (investors, bankers, bank accounts, accountants, financial advisers etc... gone!)

[<8>]

Hello <8>,

I imagine that the "heavy machinery" business will shift a lot to building space craft and "colony pods"... possibly "terra-forming" if we find a way to get approval from the land. But one instant improvement with Free Energy would be as you say replacing the fossil fuel, resulting in "zero pollution".

Not sure if it works, but I'd like to imagine that the oil and the water could be replaced with magnetic fields. They seem much more clean and easy to come by if you have abundant energy.

It's clear for me who have workt a lot wid machinery, that free energi whould change the world in a way it's really hard to amagine.
But the part i can amagine is that if people did the things they love to work wid and we all shared, it would be close to paradise.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This is a great topic but mind boggling to say the least. Imagine this because it's truth up close and personal:

There is not a single industry known today that would remain. All is to be changed and quickly. Beyond your wildest imagination. Pretty exciting, eh? Yes, yes, yes! You shall soon see this for yourself. A marvelous work and a wonder! Coming soon... I have seen this new Universe. And so it is... xoxox

[Carmody]

When we bring energy into this place, we have no idea what comes from wherever, in what form in the place it comes from. How does it leave this other space, what was it before it came here?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks ILie ....A interesting prospect and I like most on here can't wait for free energy and the change of social protocals, hopefully eliminating elites and banksters and ushering a breed of ethical polititions who lead by example not for power/profit......These paradigm changes have happened a lot of times thru history from huntergathers to farmers, anciant empires ,dark age, religious turmoils, rennaisance, age of enlightenment ,industrial revelution , analogue , to the digital age and beyond and many more.....Luddittes in all eras have been scared of the future , but their fears in the main are resigned to history as most peoples lives are inproved little by little...But always at the expence of a rich elite pulling the strings and manipulating wars etc , the plebs ( us) are usually the ones doing most of the work and dieing...

Anyway I digress when I was at school in the 70's we were comming to the end of the industrial age in Brittain and we being told then that work would be a thing of the past and machines would do most manual/office work leaving the masses to enjoy more leisure time, boy did they get that wrong and the average working hours here have gone up..This is a interesting little film showing how modern banking was going to be introduced ib 1969, note there was not much thought to what was to become of the human workers already employed in the industry, just more proffit and progress........

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Whan the new paradigm does arrive we have to be very carefull, because the elites will not be in the fields doing their bit towards society, it will be us , they will still exploit the youth with paediphile rings and devil worship so the fight for justice for all humanity is still a long way off....But free energy would be a great start...Cheers Steve

[Seikou-Kishi]

My dream is that replicators will be available...

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

[<8>]

This is a great topic but mind boggling to say the least. Imagine this because it's truth up close and personal:

There is not a single industry known today that would remain. All is to be changed and quickly. Beyond your wildest imagination. Pretty exciting, eh? Yes, yes, yes! You shall soon see this for yourself. A marvelous work and a wonder! Coming soon... I have seen this new Universe. And so it is... xoxox

wow wow and wow... I just love your post...:)))

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

All education institutions will be gone. Parents and children could spent their time together as long as they want to. Children of all ages would learn on the go through direct hands on experience. No more classrooms! Whole universe would become one great experimentation laboratory without limits. Some accidents could happen ;) But with no limits to energy use it would be easy to mop up any mess. Cleaning your own mess is very good experience :)

[Blacklight43]

With the advent of FE I see the elimination of Power plants and the monsterous smart grid and evil smart meters.
I plan on living long enough to see this...and so it is!

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Robert,

Good point about the education. I didn't think of that! Hopefully there will still be teachers but no "institutions" and no classrooms. So learning will be greatly transformed too. Parents will be parents and not moms and dads "with a career" or "with double jobs" or "with late hours".

Another thing that will be obsolete is the concept of "being the boss of someone", or "being in a position of power". So all the CEOs and company... sorry but you'll need to find something else to occupy your time with. This may be tough one... as most of us would tend to cling to our apparent power. Perhaps not here at Avalon, but in general.


Blacklight43, yes power plants, and the grid and the meters (smart or not) would be gone. Perhaps most importantly the "centralized energy production" will be gone!

[Cidersomerset]

Hi just a little peek back at a few innovations of the past we take for granted today ........So we can see how change will creep up on us in the future, slightly off topic this explains how military tech could be many years ahead of what we see...ie ..Space fleet ...back to some interresting little reminders of progress,...Hopefully free energy will speed this up..

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There is some fun innovations in these films we will all reconise and some that did not make it , but prove where there is a will the human creativity can achieve anything if not held back by TPTB, Who already sit on the thrones of power , and enjoy the fruits of our labour..Cheers Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All .....As a child born under the sign of Aquarius I have always looked to the future , for the time we can all live in harmoney ......

The original Star Trek seeries came out in the mid 60's just as I started watching TV , and I have loved the concept that one day everyone

would be truly equal. Unfortunately war is still alive and well in the 21st & 24th century, but we can work on that..so I lookforward to what lies ahead..

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Love & peace Steve..

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Ilie, is it possible to move this thread to General Discussion? So guests could see it?

My older daughter is Aquarius too :)

[Marsila]

With Free energy, a lot of what we use for energy these days will go.

the frequencies of these power plants, interfere with our own and stop us from reaching our true selves. So with them gone, we will know are core self better, and once we do, telepathy will be back.

Telekinesis may work again to, and we wont' need any of the transport methods we have today, as we could direct anything we want to carry us to the other side of the world.

with people not concerned with money, or what our fear of poverty and greed has turned money into (it could have been a positive thing) people would be doing what they enjoy, and if you do what you enjoy you will be happy, and happiness is a higher vibration, that would keep on increasing the free energy ten folds a second, and we could reach other dimensions and back to in no time. Also more beautiful things would be created in such an atmosphere.

okay i think this is one way to imagine it.

good subject thread

[kudzy]

As I see it, the introduction of free energy would have two main benefits;
1- the empowerment of the human
2- the restoration of the natural Earth systems.


Empowerment of the Human
- without artificially induced consumerism and materialism we can adjust our Values to reflect what is truly important
- cradle to grave; food, water, shelter, health care, education, community for EVERY human on Earth
- Time: to learn a foreign language, to learn a musical instrument, to learn psychic skills, to develop a spiritual practice, to go inward

Boredom, having too much time and not knowing what to do, would be considered a symptom of some sort of dis-ease.

IMO, the empowerment of the Human is integrally linked to the:
Restoration of the Earth
- the Earth and it's biosphere is recognized, honored and cherished. For it is a crown jewel of life. We adjust our VALUE System.
- our collective focus becomes being TRUE STEWARDS of the planet and restoring all natural systems to a balanced, thriving, abundant state.
- Permaculture principles could be applied across the globe, barren landscapes can be restored, water can be purified. BTW, weather can be modified Naturally by simply re-greening the land. Forests create their own local weather.
- Imagine, communicating telepathically/psychically with a forest, an ocean or a species and asking "What can we humans do to help restore you to a balanced thriving state?"!!!!
- In the free energy paradigm I don't see food being produced on the massive industrial scale as it is today. I see food being grown on the local, small village scale. Why? Because growing food IS A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE, not drudgery to be avoided. Growing food IS OUR SACRED CONNECTION to this Earth. Only when that connection is honored and respected can we produce food for X billion people in a sustainable manner. But, I believe it's absolutely Possible, fun and rewarding!

[Seikou-Kishi]

If people were freed from the strictures of work, I imagine many people would channel their energies into creative endeavours. I would quite like to carve and make little craftworks to give to people to brighten their day. Free energy would open us up to so many wonderful things not necessarily self-evident in the simple fact of energy abundance. And abundance is the best dance of the lot.

[Herbert]

I don't think anyone mentioned the elimination of the insurance industry and the fact that hemp could replace forests for paper and construction material while it would also replace plastic for containers, rope, etc and hemp is great for long wearing clothing.

Has anyone ever stood next to a free energy device? Dan Winter says you feel just terrible becasue it drains the source of not only gravity but also consciousness.

Also I agree that food would be a village based production and I for one would love to go back to pumping water by hand and frankly I would go back to the old ways before machinery replaced manual labour. There is a lot to be said for hard work and sweat in the great outdoors. I mean sports and gyms only go so far health-wise.

A lot of what is being described here is a description of village life where I and my father grew up. You share, lend and work together. You come to the aid of your neighbour and you enjoy camraderie at the local mill in the evenings after a hard days work.
Most people today forget that there is joy in work when it is done in nature. I grew up on a mixed farm where all live was loved and appreciated and cared for. No matter how many births you participate in , each one is special and miraculous. It never becomes tiresome.

The days of limiting specialization would also be gone - variety, the spice of life would become more abundant.

[Martin]

In a world of free energy life itself could not possible be perceived as a struggle or a competition any longer. The whole survival of the fittest bogus would just go away. All human beings could finally wholeheartedly wish for all people to be equal without any BUT attached. We would not any longer "have to" accept the misery of others as the source of our wealth. We surely could concentrate on the human race as a united civilization in spirit and heart thinking about our place in the universe without ripping ourselves to shreds over ideology-induced resource-struggle in the process. A wonderful place.

There would be time to talk to and recognize "every single" fellow human being as the marvelous wonder that it represents instead of just rushing through the crowded streets hoping to not be late for what ever "senseless" obligation forced you to get out in a rush in the first place. Therefor much less people would wear watches I recon. :P

Much more to say, but I have to cut of here.

Martin

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Fear will become obsolete... No more scaring children into obedience... No more fear to become parent... No more fear to talk to strangers... No more fear you will run out of anything... No more fear...

[Richie_asg1]

I would like to think that free energy would enable us to live underground without being in the dark. I imagine a whole suberb built underground with domestic dwellings within easy reach of centres for learning and entertainment. The walls would be a sheet of light - any colour you want and this would provide ambient lighting.
'Up top' would revert back to a natural lasndscape full of trees and wildlife, but farming would still continue to use the land for food.
Less pollution obviously as there would be no need to burn anything, and it is a lot easier to keep underground dwellings at a constant comfortable temperature.

I agree with a post above that information storage would be in the form of a hologram, but I was thinking solid glass blocks to store terabytes of information. I hope it brings less of a focus on self and more a focus on community and almost a return to the old indian ways with Elders teaching the other community members rather than faceless institutions we have now.

[the trojan]

Never mind just having Free energy.
How about Free everything.
If every product was free,there would be no theft.
no theft,no jails,no jealousy,no wealth class,no poverty,no daily grind,no dreams crushed no class divide .
Cut down the working week by half and provide jobs for all in all industries
Careers for people who truly want to do the job they do.
We could theoretically have this now without the three boxes mentioned at the beginning.(not trying to hijack the thread Ilie!)

I showed my kids a vid last year about the 3d printers and they ask on a weekly basis,"When is it coming,has the postman delivered it yet?"

[grapevine]

How long will it take to put all this into order though, once we get the free energy? And what will happen between getting it and making it happen - how will it happen? Will it be peaceful, for instance? I truly hope so but I think not ....

[slipknotted]

None. the oil campany will not lose a beat in their domination, moving parts still need lub.........think about it ? grease, fine oils.......etc

[Seikou-Kishi]

This thread has been a great thing to have been a part of (and I hope it continues for a long time). The positivity and exuberance of the posts and posters has been a boost of vibrational gold. It is thoughts like these that will be our salvation.

[Lord Sidious]

What about the medication imposers?
What we call doctors?
And big pharma?
And the vaccinations?

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

If we have free energy we have antigravity also. Both implemented as small compact maintenance-free solid state devices abundant everywhere. No need for moving parts or lubricants. They will be replaced with magnetic or force fields powered by unlimited energy :) If we really want any hydrocarbon chemical and will not be limited by energy we will syntethise anything litterary out of thin air :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I am amazed with the responses on this thread. It got way beyond my initial dull notes :biggrin:

Here is a summary of things to become obsolete that I've gathered from your posts. These ones are new for me, they did not cross my mind before:

- the wood exploitation industry would end. Forest will be restored! Probably hemp could replace wood, indeed.
- plastics would be a thing of the past. We use them now because the they are "cheap" to create, but the real cost is the toll they take on the environment. So smarter solution will be here.
- competition! nice one! I think it has already being mentioned that cooperation will replace competition
- fear will become obsolete. Robert mentioned "fear of parenting"... that was an AHA moment! To be confident your child will be provided for and cared for...
- doctors and vaccines. I think we will have instead: health promoters :biggrin:

"Free Energy / Free Everything". This thread is a clear suggestion that Free Energy will lead to Free Everything as "everything" needs energy to be produced and to work!

I'd like to add to the above list a few more ideas that I did not see mentioned:

- power outages, no more! same for lack of hot water, or cool air.
- water dams will be gone, restoring the rivers and the water life.
- dare I say... priests will be gone?
- and a very important one: starvation will end, for everybody on the planet! There will be no more such a thing as a "third world country"...


PS: I've moved the thread in the General Discussion area as it was requested.

[ktlight]

Thank you, Ilie. This is a more appropriate place.

Telepathy will be the norm, although language will still be required.
Love will emanate from everywhere and everyone. It will be a recognised vibe, a kind of 'hi' or 'good morning'.
Liberty will be paramount.
Creativity will grow and thrive.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

How long will it take to put all this into order though, once we get the free energy? And what will happen between getting it and making it happen - how will it happen? Will it be peaceful, for instance? I truly hope so but I think not ....
I understand your impatience and concern for abusing free energy... C'mon :) Don't bother your mind with dark scenario anymore :) Ask yourself in your heart: Do I want Haven on Earth or not?

If we all want it happen and can imagine it it will simply happen :)

[Taurean]

I'd like to think that with there being less demand for Earth's physical resources that there will be no more need to ring fence them with so called Borders, so therefore we will be able to travel around at will, coz I will be wizzing around here, there and everywhere trying to see everything.

Wow that's gonna cause a hell of a demand for Hotel space.

[ktlight]

I'd like to think that with there being less demand for Earth's physical resources that there will be no more need to ring fence them with so called Borders, so therefore we will be able to travel around at will, coz I will be wizzing around here, there and everywhere trying to see everything.

Wow that's gonna cause a hell of a demand for Hotel space.

There will be those who will welcome you into their homes wherever you go, or there'll be facilities for travellers.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I want to thank Ilie for beginning this thread. This thread is one of the things that I had in mind. First, some responses…

Fuller called beating those swords into ploughshares “livingry.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#livingry

When I mentioned transmutation in my most recent visions post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=292702&viewfull=1#post292702

I was thinking that that one would be a ways out. I doubt that what my friend was shown:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

included transmutation. If it has to happen the way that scientists think it does – the heavy elements are only made in collapsing stars – then the issue is a lot bigger than just having enough energy.

FE from the “vacuum” is practically unlimited, if people like Bohm and Trombly are to be believed. One cubic centimeter of space, the one right in front of your nose, contains more energy than is contained in all the mass in the known universe:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/News/nuclear-catastrophe.html

http://deoxy.org/h_bohm.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y

Could it be inter-dimensional? If we take it out, can we put it back? Good questions. I suspect that its source is divine, and that only with divine intention will we truly get to enjoy its fruits. What becomes obvious is that the energy to take humanity into an abundance-based reality is there, and it won’t harm the universe to farm it. I am not saying that Kaku’s “higher order” societies, where we eventually control the galactic energy, are necessarily desirable. I think that we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

I would like to be taught in this environment:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

Yes kudzy, humanity and Earth would simultaneously be healed. Ecosystems would no longer be exploited. I am aware of hundreds of exotic materials technologies that are here today but have been suppressed. No life form would need to “give it up” to become human clothing, furniture, etc. Flubber is not so fictional.

Solid state information storage may have been practiced in earlier civilizations, so its return would be welcome.

Some things that may be around the corner if the suppression syndrome was eliminated:

1. Very little, if any, moving part technology;

2. Cities largely become obsolete – those that survived would be deeply integrated with nature;

3. FE makes material abundance a reality, so yes, no accountants, lawyers, police and so on, and that is just for starters;

4. There would be no such thing as what we think of as “work.” It would be called something like “joy time,” and it would be part of how people are fulfilled.

5. The medical racket would also evaporate (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm ) – many professions and industries that we take for granted only exist because of greed and scarcity, and they would not survive what FE would bring to the table;

6. As somebody stated on my thread once, even the concept of “free” would go away, because free only means something when other things are not free; that was a new idea to me;

7. People’s dwellings will be portable, in ways that are hard to imagine today; I made some posts with that in the vision posts: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=97564&viewfull=1#post97564 ; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=114629&viewfull=1#post114629 ; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=180815&viewfull=1#post180815 )

I know that the kinds of imaginings that I have been doing for many years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

only scratch the surface. I am glad that there has not been much, “We would blow the planet up!” talk so far. Stretching our imaginations like this is very good work, and the greatest triumph of TPTB so far is to make such potential futures unthinkable. This is about the most “subversive” work that we can do, but in the end, those being subverted will thank us. :)

I highly encourage this kind of thread.

Best,

Wade

[ktlight]

Can it be made a sticky then please, always on top?

[Carmody]

Please understand that at the same time this happens, you will very much likely need to control and prevent from breeding of furthering itself and themselves, all parasitical, and negative expression of genetics. genetics that can take these technologies and energies and steamroll them into a nightmare, in near minutes.

There are hard realities, not just nice-nice and good lollipop dreams.

As a matter of fact, your origins are shaping up, regarding public disclosure...as actually arsing from that nightmare.

[noprophet]

When we bring energy into this place, we have no idea what comes from wherever, in what form in the place it comes from. How does it leave this other space, what was it before it came here?

No one's really talking about this. Drunvalo M's book was talking about a man who had set up an electrical source form a crystal amplified by a few small tesla coils in early ~1900s (I think). The initial charge however, as explained by Drunvalo came from the constant vibration of the earth's magnetic field as it was barraged under various solar forces.

This had me thinking about the Dan Burisch interviews. He had said we were going into Iraq to get back these technologies because if they were used during the solar maximums earth's magnetic field could be disrupted. Could this mean that the use of ~certain FE technologies actually has an impact on the earth's magnetic field?

A lot of researchers have pointed out that our current magnetic field is weakening.
I wonder if this weakening could correlate at all with the spread of these black project technologies?

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Can we stick to the subject of this thread please? :) If we have free energy it means that we did not killed each other. Because everybody had chosen to love everybody else. Otherwise there is no point in imagining what it would be like. Personnaly I am fed up with this hard realities. I choose that nice-nice lollipop future (what is wrong in that?)... I humbly ask you to wake up your heart and choose the same...

[norman]

Even if ( a big IF ) all the current frustrations are solved by FE there will likely be a lot of new tough hurdles to get over.

We would certainly have to come up with some new kind of "energy ethics" that we have not had to think about before.

It's highly unlikely that we could just 'consume' virtually unlimited amounts of FE within the same world we have been banging up against the limits of energy consumption in up till now. I don't know but I have a hunch that so much 'energy' will upset the balance of things if not subject to a whole new set of stabilizing rules.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

We should not assume what free energy is or is not by aplying current scarcity based assumptions about everything arround us here and now. Free energy is about abundance not scarcity. Scarcity is an assumption of our own mind/ego puting imaginary limits on us... Abundance comes from heart and knows no limits... Let us stick to the subject of this thread :)

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think a distinction we have to be careful to make when we talk about free energy is that free energy does not necessarily mean infinite energy. Granted free energy means that, in electrical terms, a kilowatt costs the same as a megawatt (id est, nothing) but a power station, for example, can only produce so much energy per hour regardless of how much that energy costs to produce.

[GlassSteagallfan]

You'll be able to grow a tomato plant in about 5 minutes using a 'time' chamber. (We know anti-gravity distorts time).

Oh, gotta go. They're cutting a Mars size planetoid in half out at the Ort Cloud. I got 15 minutes to get there and find a parking spot.


Beautiful thread. Almost brings tears to my eyes.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I hear you Robert. Yes, we can call this the lollipop thread. :) My experience is that FE “realists” are almost always projecting their fears:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

Some of the fearful may be remembering when Atlantis blew up, and others are simply addicted to scarcity and difficult realities. People can explore their fears, and they can even do it at Avalon, but yes, this thread is intended to help us imagine what may be on the other side of the transition, for those of us brave enough to manifest enough love to go there.

As I stated in my previous post, it was nice to see the thread on point, at least to begin. The recent off-topic posts to this thread are a polite version of what happens whenever I bring up the FE subject. Everybody goes careening off in a hundred directions. Usually, I get denial and fear, couched in “realism” and caution. That is why I am at Avalon, and why I highly support Ilie beginning this thread, and I hope that it can stay on keel. This is also an example of why when I really get the conversation going that I envision, it will be by invitation-only, or a carefully considered application. I plan to raise my game for that conversation, and will require it of the participants.

There is already an FE physics thread, where people speculating on the source of FE can have a conversation:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14129-Free-Energy-Physics&p=138564&viewfull=1#post138564

Briefly, there seem to be a few kinds of “FE.” One is indirectly tapping the sun’s energy such as how Tesla proposed with his tower, how Moray’s device probably worked, and how the “Earth battery” technology that Greer tried to get his hands on worked (or even Dennis’s heat pump/heat engine idea). All of those are probably harvesting the sun’s energy, indirectly, though Earth. Energy from the vacuum is likely something else entirely. In Jeane Manning’s interview with Scott:

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/Archive/jeane-manning-breakthrough-power.html

she talked about one of the leading FE theorists making the case that many FE devices are harvesting the background energy of the universe, which is the ZPF, not solar-based. But again, can we move that kind of speculation to the FE physics thread?

I also invite those interested to start an FE devil’s advocate thread. This thread is trying to accomplish something different.

Lots of Level 5s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level5

will tune in to a “fear of FE” thread. The fear of FE has its place, but I am trying to help people get beyond the denial phase. Then, we can go more deeply into the possible downsides (people do it on my thread, and you can see all sorts of tangents), but if our hearts are in the right place, the negative effects probably won’t manifest or will be manageable. This thread is for thinking about the upside. It is virtually never given a fair hearing, so please give it a chance here. Oil up your imaginations, people. :)

Thanks,

Wade

[Seikou-Kishi]

I can't see why fear of Free Energy has a place at all. At least pragmatically it has its place, obviously, since people seem to resent it, but I cannot really see how fear of free energy can merit the place it does have. It's about time people stopped pandering to the childish and neurotic fears of 'most people'. We see everyday older people being dragged kicking and screaming into the internet age, well we should bloody well drag them kicking and screaming into the free energy age as well. We could save a lot of time pushing them in rather than watching them forever dipping their toe.

Of course, the biggest obstacle would be those who stand to lose money simply because what gives them money has become obsolete. They are the few, but the moral and financial cowardice of those pesky 'most people' are their greatest allies in suppressing things like free energy and anything else which questions their power structure.

It's as Planck said (I saw the quote on your website, WF) "a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." — except how many of us will be sick to the back teeth of waiting when we've waited for every last one of these hunter-gatherers to die out?
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Incidentally, the thought struck me that free energy might open the world up to a whole new development in 'communal parenting'. If people didn't have to scrape and scrounge to look after their children (even the richest of us scraping and scrounging, just in a way that has yielded more) then people would suddenly find themselves opening up to ideas like the next generation being everybody's responsibility, not just the insular responsibility of the two who produced each child. When every child can call every adult a 'godfather' of sorts, children will grow up not only more balanced and level-headed, but also having known more love and care than children at present do (it's a sorry fact that some children's entire lives can be mired in misfortune for the simple bad luck of having two parents who, seeming to consider procreation nothing more than a biological fact, pay their children little attention and give them little affection.

[sandy]

My heart is singing.

Families would become connected again, all people would become family as sharing is the norm and if one caught themselves with more than they needed they would laugh at their old ways and quickly give it away. Love would abound as fear of survival would disintegrate and selfish ways would be useless and of no purpose. Inventions, art, recreation, would be everywhere and volunteers would be lined up for miles to joyously facilitate whatever the community needed. Animals would not be exploited, nature abounds, food is grown from resources other than the land and it is plentiful as walking out onto your balcony or patio and picking the vegetables or fruit you desire. Civilization, Mother Earth, Nature is recreated from the heart and all come together in symbiotic ways and all suffering is gone!!!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Oliver:

I am going to move my response to your “fear” post to my thread. Ilie’s beautiful thread already has too many off-topic posts. My reply is here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=299547&viewfull=1#post299547

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hey,

I've been off to sleep for a couple of hours and were are letting our dreams run in all directions :biggrin:

Time to gently focus :focus:

One idea that stuck with me while reading was that the medical racket will be gone. I'd like to think that it would be transformed. Dear doctors, have no fear :biggrin:. Those of you that really want to help and promote health will still be able to do so, and in much fulfilling ways! And those of you that are in it for the money... well, just think what you needed the money for in the first place, and you'll be able to have that directly w/o doing something you don't have a calling for. Everybody will be so much happier and satisfied :).

Many of our present diseases will be "cured" in a free energy society simply because our immune systems will be much better developed, our air and water will be pure and fresh, and our food energized and still tasty. It will be a joy living inside your body! I like to say that we will be "in harmony with ourselves and the environment". So I am sorry (not really!) but good bye Big Farma! You will become obsolete. No one will fight you, but the money motivation behind the business will be gone and also nobody will need that kind of medication any longer. Time to smell the flowers instead of extracting stuff from them ;)

Another thing that I'd like to explore is how the relationships between parents and children would change... in a free energy, abundant society, how would we care differently for our children. How would the relationship with our parents be transformed? Robert I sense you have some thoughts in that regard :P

[ktlight]

Responsibility of children will be shared by communities, their welfare, education, everything. There will never be the riots that we see today, there would be no room for the development of those feelings. There will be a flowing gentleness and a genuine respect for little people's lives.

[WhiteFeather]

The release of free Energy devices Will Collectively Create Peace and Heaven On Earth, Imagine!
Great Post. This post is moving consciousness forward in the right direction on this planet.
Our Gratitude Illie.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I’ll say it again, Ilie, “Boy, do you ever get it.” It gives me a great “mission accomplished” feeling to read your posts.

Yes, the racketeering aspects of all industries and professions go away, for the industries and professions that don’t disappear entirely, because rackets exist only because of fear and scarcity, and they always make the problem worse, so they can make more money “solving” the problem they created/exacerbated. The medical paradigm of the future may look something like this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#paradigm1

Best,

Wade

[Maia Gabrial]

I was wondering how our children would be educated and then it occured to me! If anyone has been watching "Alphas" on the SyFy channel, there's an autistic young man on the team named Gary who can see ANY signal on the air waves. His alpha ability is like a technology where he manipulates through the data stream in front of him. It looks like a giant monitor/computer when he pulls up information....
Anyway, I thought it would be cool to have this kind of technology available for everyone, for accessing all information. NO EXCEPTIONS! And our children would learn greater things than sitting in a boring classroom with limited lessons....
Just picture it: Any information you wanted would show up right in front of you, any time, anywhere and anything....COOOOOL!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Maia:

This is the classroom of the future, or at least the future classroom that I would like to experience:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

:)

Best,

Wade

[ktlight]

Children would learn in accordance with their natural interests and social necessities. They would learn from those who have knowledge of the natural interests and communities would teach them social skills, and when adults, they would be encouraged to pass on what they have learned, not forced to do anything.

[jcocks]

It wouldn't just be children... ANYONE could learn about anything they wished at any time.... No paying fees, not enterance requirements, no tests.

Children will be encouraged to do what they really want to do, and wil be given loving guidance to ensure that this happens. The ability of these guides to "see" your soul energies will help in ensuring that our courses of study align with our true desires, innate abilities, and soul purpose.

Medicine will change forever, populated with those who genuinely desire to better the lives of others rather than those whose main goal is to line their pockets with wealth. These people will uitilise the energies that flow within and throughout the universe to heal almost instantaneously,though physical operations may still be neccessary in rare circumstances. Just being around the healers in the new world will make you feel better. There will be no monetary cost involved for this healing, as it will be universally recognised that good health is an inalienable right for everyone.

Travel will be fast and free. With no borders, you will be able to live where you truly wish to live - wherever that may be - even off-planet! Housing will be free - you will be assigned a place of residence in accordance to your needs, and, to a lesser extent, your wishes.

Personally, as long as I get to take my family for a sunday afternoon trip around the solar system (stopping off at Mars for souveniers of couse!) I'm happy :cool:

[Ernie Nemeth]

If FE was here this would be my typical day.

Get up and shower then dry off under hot air nozzles. Turn on social network - projected screen in front of my face (HUD - heads-up-display). Check on autonomous robot's progress during night. Give it new instructions for today's duties. Clean agricultural pod - (eg. upgrade plasma engine exhaust cone for next week's excursion to the moon). See what my friends are up to, arrange a lunch with my daughter half-way across the world. Vote on various initiatives presented by the ruling council. Order parts for project I'm working on. Do some reading/research - all while cooking/eating breakfast.

Have coffee and watch the sunrise. Step into the transporter and step out 1200 miles away in the center of one of the new, clean, smart cities for a meeting with a person I connected with last night. We have a project in common and have come together to sort out the details. It is a hobby many share these days - inventing. With the advent of factories-in-a-box everyone can have their ideas spring to life before their eyes.

Meet Elysia, my daughter in Tokyo for lunch, then drop in on my family in Hungary to say a quick hello before heading back to Canadian Rockies. I go for a walk and find my friend from the animal world - a sleek, two year old buck - I call Buck. Buck and I wander around in the forest chatting. He brings me up to date on forest events and such. I punch a few buttons on my arm console to get my robot started on dinner - I do not feel like cooking tonight myself.

Feeling boisterous, I contact my girlfriend and not long after meet up in Montreal for a good night of dancing and stuff. Later, we head into a teleporter in the club and reappear back at my place - she's staying the night... We try out a new anti-grav affection enhancer.

Afterwards we join minds and find a group of astro-travellers and go on a quick, fun romp around the solar system - playing tag and hide-and-go-seek.

Exhausted we both fall asleep contentedly. Another great and fulfilling day!

What a life it will be.

[Wade Frazier]

All right Ernie! That was (will be) a fun one.

[Ilie Pandia]

I like the idea of "communal children". In an abundance society I image they would be actually free to choose their path (and studies) at every step of the way. No longer needing to become a "cog in the system", they can truly follow their joy, their interests. As Joseph Pearce would say they would be learning in a state of play. There will be no difference between learning and playing. I can easily see these children more developed in all aspects than most humans today, by at the age of 6. And that with no external pressure on them "compete, defeat others and succeed!".

Ernie, wow, what a day indeed :)... you finally get to meet face to face all the "Facebook friends" :). Human interactions would drastically transform as we would drop our "emotional scarcity armor" and embrace "the others" as our equals, friends and family. The loneliness and empty eyes you meet in a crowded space would be replaced by instant connection and friendship. You will fell safe, loved and "at home" virtually anywhere. Perhaps in Monaco I can find someone skillful enough to teach even me how to dance :biggrin:

Making friends with the animal kingdom... real friends, not chained pets!... now that's something :). This is a bit of stretch for me (due to my own limitations) but I know Wade and others think we can learn a lot of wisdom from the animal kingdom.


I had a walk in the park today with a friend of mine and I've noticed how our discussions are almost all the time rooted in scarcity. We talked and joked a lot about money, and how would a couple split that fairly. While we were considering different options I realized that "we are looking for different ways to cut this small money pie". What we need is a an abundant pie, and infinite pie, and then all this "how to cut this pie" talk would become obsolete. No more "I make more than you" and all that.

Another interesting story she told me was about how "cold" and distant we have become with those that dare ask for stuff, because "If I give you something, then I'll have less... and with this crisis... you never know!". She was very surprised and shocked at her self for saying a "reflex No" to a poor man asking for a glass of water in hot day... and water is still free. Well imagine if everything is free (and with free energy it will)! All this fear of loss will be canceled. We can finally see the human in front of us and not another competitor for the limited resources.

PS: Utilizing energy that flows from within and through the Universe for instant healing... that is awesome!

[jcocks]

I like the idea of "communal children". In an abundance society I image they would be actually free to choose their path (and studies) at every step of the way. No longer needing to become a "cog in the system", they can truly follow their joy, their interests. As Joseph Pearce would say they would be learning in a state of play. There will be no difference between learning and playing. I can easily see these children more developed in all aspects than most humans today, by at the age of 6. And that with no external pressure on them "compete, defeat others and succeed!".

Ernie, wow, what a day indeed :)... you finally get to meet face to face all the "Facebook friends" :). Human interactions would drastically transform as we would drop our "emotional scarcity armor" and embrace "the others" as our equals, friends and family. The loneliness and empty eyes you meet in a crowded space would be replaced by instant connection and friendship. You will fell safe, loved and "at home" virtually anywhere. Perhaps in Monaco I can find someone skillful enough to teach even me how to dance :biggrin:

Making friends with the animal kingdom... real friends, not chained pets!... now that's something :). This is a bit of stretch for me (due to my own limitations) but I know Wade and others think we can learn a lot of wisdom from the animal kingdom.


I had a walk in the park today with a friend of mine and I've noticed how our discussions are almost all the time rooted in scarcity. We talked and joked a lot about money, and how would a couple split that fairly. While we were considering different options I realized that "we are looking for different ways to cut this small money pie". What we need is a an abundant pie, and infinite pie, and then all this "how to cut this pie" talk would become obsolete. No more "I make more than you" and all that.

Another interesting story she told me was about how "cold" and distant we have become with those that dare ask for stuff, because "If I give you something, then I'll have less... and with this crisis... you never know!". She was very surprised and shocked at her self for saying a "reflex No" to a poor man asking for a glass of water in hot day... and water is still free. Well imagine if everything is free (and with free energy it will)! All this fear of loss will be canceled. We can finally see the human in front of us and not another competitor for the limited resources.

PS: Utilizing energy that flows from within and through the Universe for instant healing... that is awesome!

Nothing strange about communal children - that's the way a lot of our native tribes work - the children are bought up by the tribe rather than just the parents... Parenting isn't just the responsibility of the parents - we *ALL* have a responsiblity to ensure our next generation is raised properly, and one day we will truly recognise this!

If we were truly connected with universal energy as we are meant to be, sickness would be almost non-existant. If we were really meant to be cut open and operated on, we would have been born with zippers! (Well, that would make the task a whole lot easier, would it not?) :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ilie,


Human interactions would drastically transform as we would drop our "emotional scarcity armor" and embrace "the others" as our equals, friends and family.

Yes, this made me think. I often feel like I give out too much emotional energy and recieve back far less. Then I have to take long breaks in isolation to recharge and regroup. This would not be the case in the future world since everyone would be free to reconnect with friends and family - and neighbors. I would still spend time each day alone, in my thoughts, but that would be to stay centered so I can continue to contribute at a highly maximal level. I do not do that now, I hoard my emotional energy and then release it in spurts.

And the freedom to travel would tear down all sorts of barriers of negativity and inefficiency and inequality. You don't have to "save" to go on a trip - you just go. No papers, no passports, no permissions, no money.

The nature thing is a bit more esoteric. I try and connect with nature on my walks. Touch the plants, gush at their beauty, their tenacity, their amazing courage and patience and fearlessness. Their utter trust in their experience of selfhood. And I look for the larger animals, the rabbits and skunks, squirrels and mice and snakes and the bugs and the birds. Sometimes one animal, an individual, will make itself known - if you are in sync you can sort of make out what they say. I imagine in this wonderful future we dream of that this ability has naturally blossomed into direct communication with select members of the animal world.

I love to dream!
I wish I did not have to...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

While this may seem like a Peter Pan exercise, I assure you that it is not. Perhaps the most surprising reaction that I saw on my journey was the almost complete denial that a world based on FE was even possible. Simply making FE thinkable has been my goal for a very long time.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

Knowing that FE is already here made that denial all the more surreal to me. Whether that denial was the addiction to scarcity and failure that Fuller noticed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#scarcity1

and the resultant worship of scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

or the soul’s game of limitation and hard knocks, they all were united in denying even the idea of a world based on abundance, which must be based in economic abundance before all else, which is necessarily rooted in energy abundance.

Imagining the goal is a very basic idea that you can find all over our cultures, from imagining the perfect golf swing (Jack Nicklaus, etc.) to the New Age ideas that abound, to what any entrepreneur does. So, imagining a world that can come into being if we only woke up a little you would think would be no great accomplishment, but even this short thread is about the only time I have ever seen it happen, so keep it up.

There is a series of books of a galactic civilization based on FE, called the Culture series, by Iain Banks, which I have been encouraged to read. While I have yet to read any of it, it seems to at least get part of the FE idea right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series

If people can write science fiction series based on FE, then I would hope that writing about a feasible FE civilization, now, on this planet, does not seem so out there. If enough of us can only imagine it, we will be that much closer to taking FE out of the science fiction realm and making it a reality. Imagining FE should not be that visionary. :)

It is nice to see that many here understand that the social impacts of FE are going to be some of the more profound ones. Yes, social organization will radically change, with many “normal” cultural institutions becoming as obsolete as chattel slavery. From the beginnings of civilization until industrialization, slavery was assumed to be part of human nature, as was the idea of elite men having harems. Nobody would make those arguments today.

Imagine a world with no money, no scorekeeping, no competition, no hoarding of possessions, and so on. Before the domestication revolution, hoarding physical possessions was not even an idea. Harems were incomprehensible. That was because they were not economically feasible. A big reason why I have been suggesting this exercise was to get people to think about what other institutions and practices that are accepted as human nature are really only artifacts of the human condition.

I believe that human nature is love and bliss. Anything less is more about the human condition than it is about human nature.

So, what else becomes obsolete with FE? What other new ways of being become feasible?

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Ernie,

Your post made me realize that free energy would have a deep impact on our spiritual development too. I am a bit new to the "spiritual realm" stuff, but I imagine that having to work and being in a constant "crisis mode" and "fear of the unsure-unsafe-future" prevents our spiritual growth.

In an free energy, abundant society, one would have more time to "meditate". That may be a poor word as it means different things for different people, but the idea is that once you are out of survival mode, you can actually enjoy yourself and life more. Reconnect with nature, with your surroundings, with your own body!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, keeping us on the squirrel wheel, one step ahead of homelessness, is part of the design of Western capitalism. I get hectored regularly about meditating more, but I know how hard that is when I am going a million miles an hour. I look forward to the day that I can "meditate," "pray” and so on, at my leisure. You can’t just take a few quiet minutes out each day during a rushed existence and manifest a peaceful existence. Unless we build our peaceful societies from the ground up, it is not going to happen, and we have to go after the root, not the branches.

Best,

Wade

[Marsila]

In an free energy, abundant society, one would have more time to "meditate". That may be a poor word as it means different things for different people, but the idea is that once you are out of survival mode, you can actually enjoy yourself and life more. Reconnect with nature, with your surroundings, with your own body!

I think this is exactly what it used to be when our ancestors became the first Earth visitors. Spirituality and not the mind, is what helps us reach our real powers or higher self.
Our whole perception of energy will change if we reconnect with the truth about our selves whatever it maybe, and if we leave this daily life of concrete buildings and cars that run on stinky fuel and etc....plants and stones will speak to us again(i believe it used to be like that in very very ancient times), through telepathy and through telekinesis we could ask them to help us with our needs, and this whole issue of needing money to be able to buy this and that and move us from point a to b will be gone.

as for children if everything changes, they will be born telling the parents what they are good at, or interested in, such if we reach free energy there is a strong likelihood we have evolved again.

you are also right, doctors and etc will still exist, but then they will be back to the root of that job, which is healing not making money as people will be following their true callings.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Marsila, at the time you posted this mesage in another thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29437-EXACT-DATE-for-the-ascension-according-to-the-Maya.-Not-12-21-12-and-not-10-28-11-&p=300822&viewfull=1#post300822
I was thinking what else would become obsolete :) And it come to me that all deadlines would :) No more hurry. No more so called commuting to work. No more appointments at 12 o'clock sharp. Everything could just flow like then when you enter "The Zone". The Zone is natural state of mind in children when they play(learn). And we adults ruin that by hurrying or distracting our children at every occasion. I catch my self at doing this hurrying/distracting. And ask my self: where do I run? Imagine we could be in The Zone all the time...

[motherlove]

Energy is free it always has been when we really get that we will travel the stars the earth will be paradise humanity will heal we will have no need for technogogy because we are the technology. We are the microcosom of the macrocosm. We must override our brains with our hearts to see that it is a choice love or fear. We give our energy away because we were led to believe that is just the way it is. The lie has seeped through our consciousness down through our generations until now we are here trying to remember. We should get started it is going to be a wonderful journey. Best Wishes.

[norman]

I've not looked at this thread for a few days and just returned to find that my previous post was pounced on alarmingly heavily.

I'm not at all in FEAR of FE. What on earth are people going on about?, Have I strayed into a super hyped area of manic ideological warfare like that which has been going on with the carbon debate?

Seriously, calm down folks.

All I said was that FE will manifest energy, and consequently, energy dissipation that will create a situation we've not had to think through before due to the restrictions of the old ways of energy generation.

I think it's great that there is a thread that people can list all their anticipations regarding the turning point into FE. All I did was list one of mine.

[Fenexrep]

What I feel we're looking for is the abolition of the pedalling/marketing of lack.

[Wade Frazier]

Norman, you need to read the thread. Your post was a little off topic, but the "fear of FE" stuff was not directed at your post.

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello all,

Wade wrote on another thread:


In the last level, the one that may be ahead [the FE level], you can see that “efficiency” begins to become an obsolete concept. That would be a long discussion, but it is also germane to your “what would become obsolete” thread.

I must confess that I have hard time seeing that... "efficiency" becoming an obsolete concept.

I agree with the fact that the need for efficiency is based on scarcity ideas. Too small a pie needs to be efficiently distributed. On the other hand, part of the problems we have to day is that we use outdated tech, that is very very inefficient! So a FE energy device would be the essence of efficiency in that sense.

Another way I can see efficiency as a concept becoming obsolete is how Robert says that we will not need to hurry anymore! It's OK to slow down and enjoy yourself more.

So probably, to properly get this, one would have to define what "efficiency" means and to whom... it may be efficient for my boss that I skip meals and family time to make him rich... but that will not be very efficient for my health or my family.

Most likely the idea of efficiency will disappear because it will sort of be "built in" that FE society? The choice between my work and my family and good time will not be necessary any longer.

PS: The concept of efficiency will become obsolete in the same way as the concept of "free" will become obsolete. "Free" has meaning only because now we know of "price". With "price" gone, "free" is loose its meaning :biggrin: (this is not my idea but I don't recall its source).

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ilie,

Inefficiency is built into the system, not only the technologies. Brands compete for customers by making their products incompatible - that is hugely inefficient. Brands alter the outer casing, the color and one or two parts each product year so that old models are immediately discernable. Everyone wants new, right? Well new changes once or twice a year, and new becomes old - that is extremely inefficient. Add to that their favorite, built in obsolescence, and the waste of our resources reaches catatrophic proportions. And this little bit barely scratches the surface of the true wastage that goes on. (Remember the great milk spill off, was it in Canada only, I can't remember?)
That is why I continue to maintain that abundance is possible right now, with or without FE.
It is only a matter of a slight turning of the head, a mere nod to our neighbors, a recognition of the right of all peoples to dignity and respect.

But that small gesture would necessarily cascade into a paradigm shift from scarcity to abundance.

[Lord Sidious]

I would like to see an end to child ''care'' centres.
Their parents are the best ones to care for them.

[Elle]

[My comment is waaay off topic :o but thanks for forming/creating/molding reality right now with this. :) ]

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

[My comment is waaay off topic :o but thanks for forming/creating/molding reality right now with this. :) ]
I think that your comment is preciselly on topic :) Thank you :)

[Hughe]

Destruction of capitalism, end of centralized control system.

Some of advanced alien societies opened up my mind towards free society. Every member of society has full responsibility and be part of making decisions. The community provides all the necessities: food, house, transportation, opportunities for self actualization.

Free society is based on free energy technologies seeks super-efficiency of everything they make. They build houses that exist over a thousand years with minimal maintenance. Making poor quality products means the labor hours of community members increase. Of course, members will do their best to solve such problem by advancement of sciences and technologies. One species utilizes symbiotic technology that combine living entities to construct spaceship or building.

They don't compete each other nor claim ownership of idea / theory. I personally think modern patent system is so absurd and big road block of advancement of humanity.

One alien society I read make all the members work less than 10 hours per week. They work for one day, and enjoy their spare time and do a lot of volunteer works year round. Twenty hours of work will provide everything one needs. Humans already have capabilities that make every one on Earth has quality of living right now. The increasing unemployment rate is because complex machines humans have developed replace human labor in work places. All humans have the right to share the benefit of labor free living but, we have to destroy present society first.

There exists high order among intergalactic civilization. Humans as a species locate at the bottom unfortunately. Either artificial or humans' level of consciousness or mix of the two, we have been busy to kill and abuse fellow humans at least five thousands years as you know. This time hopefully we will move to next level of existence.

Why free energy technologies are so important? I give one example. A new theory has been developed and proved by different scientists and people world wide. This theory reinterprets the inertia of mass so that it explains how to harness the kinetic energy. Suppose a community has this type of free energy machines, even if sun is gone, they can carry on daily living. The machine generates electricity from momentum of objects.

Other free energy technologies that extract energy from space leads to wild area: time manipulation, antigravity, interdimensional effect. Seventy or eight years ago, few scientists independently discovered how to manipulate gravity using electromagnetic forces. It passes almost 100 years. I have no doubt the military and secret organization under black programs exploited these technologies.

Floyd 'Sparky' Sweet produced antigravity effect when it was running. You can find his note on internet easily. He explained clearly the energy source using a differential equation. It says Time=Energy. This type of technologies need to be investigated by scientists under disclose to public. It works as double edge sword. Using space-time energy too much will shorten the life of Earth itself.

The question is how and when.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Lord Sid,

Indeed child "care" centers will be gone and I am glad for that! I believe that scarcity is the root cause of children being sent into foster care, or abandoned, or abused. I know of cases where some people have children only the get the money support from the government :(. All this will be gone in a free energy society. And that would happen simply because the motivation behind it (scarcity) will disappear.

Hi Hughe,

I see that you (and I think even Wade) mention work as an activity in a world of abundance. You probably have your reasons to do so, but I imagine that actually the concept or "work" will become obsolete! All you would have to do in a free energy society is be yourself, learn, explore and play. There is no need for "work", not as we understand it today. No one will say: "Man, I gotta go to work... I gotta do my one hour of daily chores...". The will say: I'll go play! I'll go test this! I wonder if do this what will happen? I have a great idea, I'll just input it into the main frame for others to playfully build later! I'll go play with the children! I'll go play with my friends!

When you follow your joy there is no "work"... you can hardly wait to get started and do what you feel joyous about doing...

Well, you might say, somebody has to take out the trash, or do the dishes, or clean the house and so on. I would argue that we need to do so much cleaning and so many chores that we don't like, because we don't live in an abundant society! In a FE world, trash will not be produced, and I can even imagine that dirty dishes will be a thing of the past. There are so many "little" things that we take for granted as being "normal" or "to be expected" or not able "to do without" that would simply be obsolete with an abundance paradigm.

On another line of thought, I realize that trying to imagine a FE society is a daunting task. It should not be, but unfortunately it is! And this is the thing that we need to fix fast. So to get the "imagination muscle" into flexing lets make another assumption. Not as good as free energy but probably second best, and leading to free energy.

Most of the time we get stuck on the money issue. So let's imagine for a moment that you have a credit card with unlimited funds that you can spend and you don't have to repay. Lets call it the "Free Energy Card" or "FE Card" :p. What would you do with it? How would you spend that money? How would your life change? What activities would you drop and what would your new focus be? And to make it more interesting, lets also imagine that everybody has a FE Card.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Wade,

I think I've spotted a scarcity based comment in one of your posts :biggrin:


If it [transmutation] has to happen the way that scientists think it does – the heavy elements are only made in collapsing stars – then the issue is a lot bigger than just having enough energy.

I don't claim to have any real clue about alchemy and transmutations, but wouldn't you agree that with Free Energy there is no issue that is "a lot bigger" than having enough energy? Why not imagine that we could create force fields strong enough to emulate the processes inside a collapsing star? If that is what it takes :).

And I think Robert wrote that with Free Energy we could practically create stuff "out of thin air" or to be more precise from "energy-to-matter" convertors also known as replicators! That would kinda make alchemy obsolete all together :biggrin:

[ThePythonicCow]

Why not imagine that we could create force fields strong enough to emulate the processes inside a collapsing star? If that is what it takes .
As explained at various sites, for example Modern Alchemy (http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2002/crabb/modern.html), modern alchemy is possible inside nuclear reactors. The best way with current and public human technology seems to be bombarding mercury (which is one proton heavier than gold) with neutrons. The resulting isotope of mercury is unstable, and gives off one hydrogen nucleus (proton, neutron pair), leaving behind a stable gold nucleus.

The problem is that the amount of energy required is substantial ... very substantial.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

And I think Robert wrote that with Free Energy we could practically create stuff "out of thin air" or to be more precise from "energy-to-matter" convertors also known as replicators! That would kinda make alchemy obsolete all together :biggrin:

I was thinking about taking basic chemicals out of the air we breathe and synthesize some hydrocarbons if we need them :) Just like plants do but faster and in more compact space :) But replicators sound much better to me :)

[Marsila]

If it is to be free, it needs to be something that just multiplies itself once created, and yet does no harm if found in over abundance (a bit like any clean air we manage to breathe these days)

another thing that i imagine may go with this if it changes everything....that idea that we have to work for another person goes. no one needs to be another persons employee, and no one needs a lot of capital to work for themselves.

[uncleroach]

I like driving in nice roads, whitch are made in nature (sadly). Dut those few realy nice roads that would be left, afrer teleportation would be "invented" (or realised tu public), wouldn hurt nature much. So I hope that cars and motobikes never disapear, but I realy hope that internal combustion engines disapear soon (although I will miss the sound). But I would mind teleports to, especialy for going to work.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi unclerach,

My take is that the replacement of roads and cars and motorbikes will be much more enjoyable! So much so that we can't really imagine it at the moment... being stuck in the "roar" of the engine... he he.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ilie,

I think this thread might be one of the best on Avalon.

It will be transformational!

I have a file of inventions or experiments I would like to create/try but the funds are not there. With an FE card - I would persue the contents of my file.

This does not fit here but to illustrate today's scarcity-based thinking I will mention it. When we dream of winning the lottery, most of us make a list of who will get what. Well, in my immediate family someone won $250,000. I got a call from another family member telling me the good news. And here's the catch: I was told not to expect anything because "they don't have enough" after paying off their credit cards and mortgage. What a shocker that was, then I got the happy call from the winner who gushed and gushed about their good fortune - already knowing I had been warned about my cut being zero. Now I did not want anything - a night on the town would have been nice - to celebrate.

So sad we cram our humanity deep inside and do the fiscally "right" thing instead. That is the epitome of scarcity-based thinking.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Another thing came to me.

Right now, so many people never realize their dreams. A lot of my friends have pet projects they talk about all the time. For one its the flying car. Another its a new computer chip. Another has really good marketing ideas. With the advent of an abundance paradigm shift these people, like me, would persue their dreams and their inventions would revolutionize the world we live in. I am not talking about the pioneers in various fields. I am talking about the faceless ones who no one knows about - they are the ones who will bring the most change because there are literally millions of them.

Imagine. Millions of people with great ideas that never see the light of day in today's society will transform the world virtually over-night in that new era!

[Marsila]

I like driving in nice roads, whitch are made in nature (sadly). Dut those few realy nice roads that would be left, afrer teleportation would be "invented" (or realised tu public), wouldn hurt nature much. So I hope that cars and motobikes never disapear, but I realy hope that internal combustion engines disapear soon (although I will miss the sound). But I would mind teleports to, especialy for going to work.

But maybe it would be something better, like through teleportation, we will have two option. gliding through and just getting there. with the second we would get to our destination faster.

with the first we could cruise just like in a car or our own private plane, seeing all the scenery on the side rush by us, except we'd need neither car, plane or any metal transportation tool.


our body will become our mode of transport, and there will be less chances to crashing and killing ourselves and someone else : ) so the feeling we get may still be there, only better and improved. i don't know i sometimes wish i was the car, boat or plane and not just riding or driving it.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Ernie.

Wonderful post. I'm not proud to admit that I get trapped in the money issue still. Still a scarcity conditioning that I need to work out!

Lottery and your friend situation and my "stumbling on the money" will become obsolete in a Free Energy world. I think the obsolete lottery is a brand new idea on this thread :biggrin:

And indeed, the FE Card would unlock the little creative inventors in all of us! Each will be able to contribute in their small (or big way), making a huge difference for all those living on he planet.

If I had that a FE card, it'd still be doing mostly what I do today, but I also have some projects that I'd like to try out and test.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Paying taxes, mortgages, loans, rents, licence fees and all other fees or bills will become obsolete...
Trafic jamms, standing in line to buy tickets or new products, standing in line to shop on 80% sale day and all other kind of waiting for our share of this scarcity pie will become obsolete...

[Ilie Pandia]

Paying taxes, mortgages, loans, rents, licence fees and all other fees or bills will become obsolete...
Trafic jamms, standing in line to buy tickets or new products, standing in line to shop on 80% sale day and all other kind of waiting for our share of this scarcity pie will become obsolete...

Hey Robert, double vote on that from me!!! :biggrin: especially no more standing in line for anything!

[Lord Sidious]

Paying taxes, mortgages, loans, rents, licence fees and all other fees or bills will become obsolete...
Trafic jamms, standing in line to buy tickets or new products, standing in line to shop on 80% sale day and all other kind of waiting for our share of this scarcity pie will become obsolete...

Hey Robert, double vote on that from me!!! :biggrin: especially no more standing in line for anything!

Sounds good to me, when I was younger, I was impatient.
I don't even have time to get that far now. :p

[Ilie Pandia]

Oh another big one that will be gone... bureaucracy! No need for that anymore.

[Marsila]

oh another big one that will be gone... Bureaucracy! No need for that anymore.

big yes to that!!

[ktlight]

Would there be any need for the Internet any more?

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Would there be any need for the Internet any more?

I hope internet will be like air we brethe :) Everywhere, open and free :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Ktlight,

Good question... my take is that in the end.... probably not! After we all become telepaths then Internet will not be used to communicate between "conscious beings". However I still expect that some form of "Internet" would be required to access information or knowledge stored someplace... unless you can focus on it... and you have it :). It's a bit too far for me to imagine this :biggrin:

Yes Robert, and hopefully with no viruses in it! ;) (just as the air in a FE society)

[ktlight]

Would we need permission to communicate and discuss and debate with another?

[Marsila]

Would we need permission to communicate and discuss and debate with another?

I don't think so... everything will be free, easy and available, that the competition would be who could make life the easiest not the most complicated.

btw how do we keep negative people away from us, if telepathy would work, they may want to get on our nerves when we just want a break.

maybe with free energy, we would find a way to also become invisible, or respectful to each others privacy? (no psychic hackers)

[Ilie Pandia]

Part of being "in harmony" in a free energy society means that you naturally respect the privacy of others and you are not invading the minds of others. Not because you can't or someone is policing you, but because you choose to!

As for asking for permission... I think that is the respectful thing to do, especially if you are not sure how the other "being" would respond to interacting with you. Asking and respecting a Yes or a No! would be key! Most likely you will quickly find other beings that resonate with you and you will be able to live "together" and permission will not be an issue as much, because you know each other very well.

Probably permission will be an "inner felling" and guide and not as much as a specific question! I know that some tribes ask permission from the land if is OK to camp on a specific spot by felling that connection with the Land.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I like driving in nice roads, whitch are made in nature (sadly). Dut those few realy nice roads that would be left, afrer teleportation would be "invented" (or realised tu public), wouldn hurt nature much. So I hope that cars and motobikes never disapear, but I realy hope that internal combustion engines disapear soon (although I will miss the sound). But I would mind teleports to, especialy for going to work.

With FE you would be able to build your own planet from scratch or adapt one of the milions asteroids floating in our Solar System. On that terraformed artificial planet you could plant a forest (with growth accelerators ofcourse), build some roads in that forest and build some electric cars (with IC engine sound/vibration emulators) or with real IC engines. You could build that all with your own (almost) bare hands :) It could be some kind of museum for sharing with other people. It could be your "work" ;)
How that sounds? :)

[Marsila]

Borders will be gone, anyone can go anywhere they want at any time, regardless of where they are from.

Racism will also be gone, as good things will be in abundance and the issue of scarcity and "they have come from far away, to take the little we have" would be obsolete.

People will have more free energy and so good things than they know what to do with : )

[ktlight]

Will there be need for constitutional rules and/or obedience?

[Lord Sidious]

Will there be need for constitutional rules and/or obedience?

For enlightened people?
No.

[ktlight]

So, there would be separation, then, LS?

[Lord Sidious]

So, there would be separation, then, LS?

Constitutions are debt repayment agreements, so why would we need that?
And those who are truly enlightened need no external guides on behaviour, they know.

[Marsila]

...Probably permission will be an "inner felling" and guide and not as much as a specific question! I know that some tribes ask permission from the land if is OK to camp on a specific spot by felling that connection with the Land.

and they're absolutely right! That's a good point you made.

you know even stones will telepathically communicate with us if we stop thinking and just listen to our feelings.

With free energy people will understand the true value of being respectful, not just to each other, but to the space that allows to live within it.

Plants will be healthier and easier to grow again because they will tell us where they want to be planted, and we will listen to their own choices to....more plants=more clean air=better health= less if not total extinction of all diseases!

[onawah]

I was on retreat on Dauphin Island, just off the coast of Alabama on the Gulf Coast a couple of years ago before the oil spill, while it was still relatively pristine.
There are lots of vacation homes there on high stilts to protect them from storms, high tides, etc.
I had a sort of lucid waking vision of a future where zero point technology and anti gravity devices in each home would make homeowners, assisted by home computers, able to move their homes anywhere they wanted to go, including above the storms, over the ocean, or docked hovering just above or on the ground.
Each home was self sufficient with it's own hydroponic garden, recycling unit, water system (pulling and distilling water from the air), and all were connected remotely to the same AI which automatically kept homes and transportation modules on course, protected from collisions or other dangers.
Cities were also airborne.
This would make it possible for much more land to remain undeveloped, with many more parks, wildlife preserves, undisturbed rainforests, etc.

One of my favorite visions of the future is of a time when all earth creatures are vegetarian, and animals and humans are unafraid of each other.
I would love to be kissed by a giraffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oGigO8YQRE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oGigO8YQRE&feature=related
Or snuggle up to a big cat, go down a waterslide with a river otter, play catch with an orangutan, fly with a flock of birds as in the movie "Winged Migration",:plane: take a ride on a whale's tail.
I saw a video once of a family who lived in Africa, whose dining room was open on all sides. When they were having a meal, there was a tame/wild giraffe that would lean it's head in and eat fruit from their table. Can you imagine? I would love that!:luv::love::girl_wacko:

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Beautifull vision! I dream of such flying homes for couple of years now. Wade mentioned them in one of his vision post. I am glad there are more of us :)

We had a thread on Avalon about girl named Tippi. She has wonderfull childhood :) I immediatelly though about her when Ernie and Onawah had written about befriending our "little brothers"... She is a proof a prototype for such visions. I wish such childhood for everyone soon :)

[Elly]

Hello all,

Wade wrote on another thread:


In the last level, the one that may be ahead [the FE level], you can see that “efficiency” begins to become an obsolete concept. That would be a long discussion, but it is also germane to your “what would become obsolete” thread.

I must confess that I have hard time seeing that... "efficiency" becoming an obsolete concept.

(...)

So probably, to properly get this, one would have to define what "efficiency" means and to whom...

From Wikipedia "Efficiency in general describes the extent to which time or effort is well used for the intended task or purpose. It is often used with the specific purpose of relaying the capability of a specific application of effort to produce a specific outcome effectively with a minimum amount or quantity of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort."

God is efficient. If a structure becomes useless, a center of love is created elsewhere. Love is retracted from the old structure. The electrons migrate towards the new love center where they are really needed. God is perfection so there is no waste of energy.

In the physical plane, we would still need construction workers, farmers, clothing makers, leaders, etc. People would still need to be efficient to maintain a functional society. People in a new system that do a job well.

Even with free energy, we would still need to be careful in the level of consumption. An object is needed to attract that energy with a limit to the influx and containment of it. Otherwise, one box would be enough for an entire neighborhood, city, or country. Therefore, we still have to be efficient in the way we use this new form of energy, IMO.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

OK, I read this thread since I have been away. I see that “efficiency” is being kicked around. If you study the history of industrialization, particularly in the capitalist incarnation of it, “efficiency” became a kind of Holy Grail, because the most efficient operation would yield higher profits. The idea was primarily aimed at energy efficiency, but it could be in subtle ways. Making a person’s actions more “efficient” was a huge aspect of the efficiency efforts in the twentieth century ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficiency_Movement ), but when you look at what it really meant, it meant a person taking less time to perform a task. In factory settings, that meant that they could keep up with the machines, kind of on the squirrel wheel. But if you break that down further, what makes people run? Energy. They have a requirement of so many calories per hour to live, and they were working at that factory primarily to secure that caloric energy, for them and their families.

FE, especially FE from the ZPF, is essentially unlimited. While the idea of efficiency as a physics concept would still survive, energy efficiency, and all the subtle ways that “efficiency” constrains our daily lives, would largely disappear. I see many variations of the theme on this thread: no need to rush, and so on.

Again, this is a deeply-baked concept. Take Dennis and what happened in Ventura. That investigator for the prosecution said that he did not care if Dennis was guilty or innocent, because getting convictions was all that mattered to him.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#care

Why did he think that way? It was because all he cared about was his “prosecutorial efficiency.” They literally call it that in the profession, and the informal term is “kill ratio.” Instead of justice, the goal is efficiency.

That is along the lines that I am referring to, and if you follow the idea back to its roots, in the example of that prosecutor, it usually comes back to energy efficiency.

With FE, instead of efficiency and profit being the bywords that everybody bowed to, it would be ideas such as harmlessness, helpfulness, and so on. The idea of “efficiency” would largely disappear. Look at that chart that I have of the energy epochs:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

one of the columns is energy efficiency, and reality of energy efficiency has huge real-world impacts on those stages of civilizations, but in ways that can seem invisible, especially in societies that homogenize everything with money.

Yes, Ernie is getting at some of the built in inefficiencies in the system. As I say on my site, most of the effort engaged in by average Americans has nothing to do whatsoever with providing anything of real benefit to society. Capitalism may be the most inefficient system, in the final analysis.

What Hughe is referring to about alien civilizations is germane, and Sparky’s time = energy idea is noteworthy. These are all ideas that deserve to be explored in the open, but that is part of the conundrum. Yes, as Ilie says, there would not be any “work” in a FE society, but I have seen it called “joy time,” and yes, one of the hardest tricks right now is even imagining what a society based on FE would look like, which is why I highly encourage this thread.

Ah Ilie, I am happy to have my puny conceptions eradicated! :) But, when I think about what it takes to make heavy elements in stars (at least the orthodox theory of it today), everything is imploding due to gravity. There is nothing to push against. It is like Einstein’s “no hitching posts in the universe” idea” I have a hard time imagining what the “infinite” energy could push against to create that force, but it may just be my lack of imagination. :) I understand what Paul is saying regarding “alchemy.” All of the elements heavier than uranium were created by artificial bombardment. Yes, it is highly energy intensive, but my concern with that method of transmutation is that it is an atom at a time, and it is also creating a kind of firework, with particles traveling that fast. Heck, maybe they are already making seawater into gold by processes that I can barely imagine, but playing with nuclei is about the hardest trick in “White Science” today. Right now, I’ll settle for FE. I’ll leave transmuting elements in any meaningful way to some future that only Nason knows. :)

Yes Ernie, wasted genius in our current system is one of the greatest wastes of all. I have seen that one in spades for many years – frustrated geniuses in rocking chairs who gave up.

Yes Ilie, respect would be one of the basic principles, and it would apply to all life forms and even planets like Nason visited.

What I see the others offering is good stuff, too. Keep up the thinking on this! Yes, onawah, that is the direction this can all go.

Gotta go be social right now, but that was good reading.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've just returned from a trip in the mountains. The road was a bit bumpy, but that would not be a problem in a FE world :biggrin:

I like the "majestic presence" of the mountains, but also the fresh air and clear, truly blue sky. What a pleasure to take in deep breaths.

We've talked above asking permission of the land to stay there, but in my case I think the mountain is actually inviting me! :biggrin:

So living on the mountain side would be a big part of my free energy vision. Even though I might teleport/hover to other places, as it is now I prefer the mountains.

On the top of the mountain the issue of energy is quite literally obvious. The big supermarkets did not make it there (and may they not!) so it's obvious to a lot of people now much energy is required to get supplies up there or go about your daily activities.

I hope that in an abundant world we will still keep the "wild side" of the mountain and learn to live in harmony with it, and not conquer it, as we often hear.

9886

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[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

You have Mountain Fever! :) I got it when I was seventeen, when I took my first backpack (image attached, although my time in the Alps the year before http://www.ahealedplanet.net/matterhorn.jpg was an early indicator), and I have been hooked ever since. There are worse addictions. :)

So, what mountains were those? Yes, you get to places where gravity begins to become an issue, and the energy issue can become very obvious. I wish you mountains,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Wade,

I was in the Făgăraș Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C4%83g%C4%83ra%C5%9F_Mountains). They are part of what we call here "Carpații Meridionali" (Southern Carpathians).

After I wrote the previous post about the majestic presence of the mountain, I realized that the mountains are still "wild" and nature rules there, exactly because of Energy Scarcity. I fear a little that with enough energy humans might have left their foot print on the mountain side too.

However, as we've discussed so far, with Free Energy out overall "attitude" towards nature and environment would change as a reflection of the inner changes that would lead to that abundant world...

I don't do hiking that much, but I do it often enough to know that I enjoy it more than "driving around" the mountain :biggrin:

[centreoflight]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150201240702134&set=a.10150201231627134.310157.600287133&type=1

Beloveds,
We are blessed to have this stunning view from our residence; in the Verzasca Valley in the south of Switzerland and we are lucky that in our house nearly all our energy is already free. (electric from solar and heating from wood)
Thank you all for your ideas on this tread - I know that when many people are focused on something - they eventually create it.
Blessings

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[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Ilie:

I know them as the Carpathians. I became somewhat of a mountain connoisseur over the years, but have not been in as many mountain ranges as I would like. I also get pretty pronounced altitude sickness above about 3,000 meters, so I doubt that I will play in the Himalayas in this lifetime.

Yes, the inability to easily wrench energy out of the mountains is what keeps them relatively pristine. Mountains are generally considered poor land, so the world’s mountain ranges are generally inhabited by poor “hillbillies” who were pushed off the fertile valley land by the dominant class. It is that way in America’s Appalachians, the mountains of Southeast Asia and elsewhere.

You hit on one of the big bones of contention about FE. The environmentalists fear FE because they believe that the only thing keeping humans from strip-mining the entire planet is energy scarcity, so they had better keep energy scarce, to protect us and the planet from ourselves. But, when you begin to drill down into why people strip mine, clear-cut forests, use plow agriculture, and many other “normal” practices, it becomes evident that energy scarcity drives those practices, and energy abundance can make such practices obsolete.

Other things that can become obsolete with FE and related suppressed technologies are (some of which are mentioned in this thread already):

1. Preserved food;

2. Plow agriculture;

3. Strip mining, dangerous mining and mine tailings;

4. Roads;

5. Water pollution, air pollution, landfills, waste in general;

6. Stationary dwellings;

7. Hazardous dwellings;

8. Rote “learning;”

9. Resource wars (securing resources are at the root of all wars);

10. Violent “medicine;” (prevention will be primary, and interventions will be gentle);

11. Also, I have not brought up another “suppressed” area, which is that of computer intelligence. In the black projects world, they may have achieved sentient computers by now. The ETs have living technology, and not exploited “artificial” life forms, either (see David Adair’s testimony, among others http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/ufosinterdimensionalultraterrestrials/area-51-scientists-story.html ).

12. Animal exploitation;

13. Destructive forest products;

Of course, some of that is here:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

When I get that energy essay done, I will be updating those sections, and will happily “rob” this thread for more ideas! :)

Best,

Wade

[Lord Sidious]

Hello Wade,

I was in the Făgăraș Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C4%83g%C4%83ra%C5%9F_Mountains). They are part of what we call here "Carpații Meridionali" (Southern Carpathians).

After I wrote the previous post about the majestic presence of the mountain, I realized that the mountains are still "wild" and nature rules there, exactly because of Energy Scarcity. I fear a little that with enough energy humans might have left their foot print on the mountain side too.

However, as we've discussed so far, with Free Energy out overall "attitude" towards nature and environment would change as a reflection of the inner changes that would lead to that abundant world...

I don't do hiking that much, but I do it often enough to know that I enjoy it more than "driving around" the mountain :biggrin:

You might groan at the stereotypical attitude, but I always wanted to see the Carpathians and the area around bran, in particular.
I find Vlad Tepes to be fascinating.

[Ilie Pandia]

You might groan at the stereotypical attitude, but I always wanted to see the Carpathians and the area around bran, in particular.
I find Vlad Tepes to be fascinating.

According to Romanian history books Vlad Țepeș was still locked in war for resources... so still not a good example for Free Energy! You need to look deeper Lord Sid ;)

Interesting idea from Wade's post that we will have "living machinery" and not abused artificial life forms... if we are to be respectful we will have to be respectful to every body and every thing.

My dear computer will run so much smoother on some free energy juice ;)

[ulli]

I decided to call for free energy with our signatures here at Avalon,
and maybe even other forums where we are active.

We know about the power of the word and intent, backed by emotion...
what do we have to lose...

[onawah]

I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that in some advanced ET civilization, the issue of "efficiency" is based on what certain impartial "think tanks" of individuals who understand systems and how they work together, decide what impact new ideas, inventions, innovations, etc. would have on their civilization as a whole, from the individual up to the planetary level.
So for example, assuming we adopted such a procedure on earth, flush toilets would never be approved for obvious reasons, while composting toilets would.
Products could not be developed just because they would earn money for some corporation, or because a lot of people might buy them.
Products could only be developed if they pass stringent environmental and health standards,taking into consideration the needs of the seventh generation, and would actually represent some kind of real advancement or improvement, provided it was sufficient improvement or advancement to justify the work/cost needed to produce it.

This concept is obvious, but it certainly fits.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

(...)what do we have to lose...
Scarcity! ;) Lack! ;) Fear! ;)

[Ilie Pandia]

Another activity that will become obsolete will be: stealing / theft! This is closely related to scarcity (not being more than enough for everybody) and to the sense of "property" and ownership that will also be gone.

Most likely the people in an abundant world would have a difficult time understanding what "stealing" was :biggrin:

[ktlight]

So, we would become human, as opposed to what we think is human today.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi onawah:

This is certainly one way to do it, along a “council of elders” concept. It might work for Earth, but also might be too Big Brother-ish for the early stages of the revolution, at least in the USA (we like our independence, even if most of it is illusory :) ). Once we get to the harmless stage of FE’s implementation, I hope that tinkerers can spend their lives playing the creativity game. Their activities would not hog or impair “resources,” because they would be abundant. But for coordinated activities, that kind of idea makes a lot of sense. In this future Earth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

they probably have something like that, but it probably would not be seen as governance, but facilitation.

Hi Ilie:

Kind of like onowah’s post, some of the ideas we see coming up (or lack of them) were common among the “primitive” peoples of Earth before the Europeans showed up.

From Columbus’s initial encounters with the natives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#first

to the English’s initial encounters with the natives:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#english

to Europeans' initial encounters with equatorial Africans and elsewhere, the natives did not have much sense of personal property, so yes, there was little to steal. In places like Africa, the Europeans had to campaign hard to get the natives to understand materialism. They had to campaign for greed. It eventually worked.

Even dishonesty and lying was a European specialty, which often took the natives by surprise.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#exaggerate

In the New World, people who lied were considered crazy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#steal1

So, a lot of what FE could make happen in some ways would bring humanity closer to its roots, and in others would launch us on a fantastic journey way beyond what any other human civilization has known. I’ll take that journey. :)

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Another activity that will become obsolete will be: stealing / theft! This is closely related to scarcity (not being more than enough for everybody) and to the sense of "property" and ownership that will also be gone.

Most likely the people in an abundant world would have a difficult time understanding what "stealing" was :biggrin:


What about those people who have lived all their lives in material abundance
yet still see the need to steal small antique silver spoons?
I know some wealthy people who see that sort of theft as a sport, and which is habitual for them.
Embassy functions are notorious for this kind of thing happening.
I got very hurt when some of my cherished objects vanished at a wine and cheese party I hosted.
What about those objects that we cherish that are antiques,
passed down the generations and which have emotional value?

I guess we will have to totally cut with the past, but sometimes it feels that we would then throw away the baby with the bath water.
Yet it is tradition consciousness that got us into this mess in the first place.

[yaksuit]

I guess we will have to totally cut with the past, but sometimes it feels that we would then throw away the baby with the bath water.
Yet it is tradition consciousness that got us into this mess in the first place.

I try to only "own" what I use. It has taken me many years to achieve this. Of course there is still a bit of clutter that likes to hang around but it is diminishing year by year. :p

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I think "tradition" is some kind of "obsessive–compulsive disorder" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder). It is often associated with fear. As fear will be obsolete in FE society, I hope so will be "The Tradition"...

[ulli]

I think "tradition" is some kind of "obsessive–compulsive disorder" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder). It is often associated with fear. As fear will be obsolete in FE society, I hope so will be "The Tradition"...


Will fear really be ever totally obsolete?
As long as mothers give birth and bond and feed their babies
and have to protect them from harm like accidents there will be fear.
If anything, I would imagine that fear will be even greater than it is now.

Just compare third world countries where life is cheap
with first world countries where many of these buffers of protection already are in place...
Who is more fearful?
Ok, hit me!

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Ulli,

Yes I think fear will become obsolete, indeed.

Mothers would love and cherish and nurture their children but they will not protected them. There will be nothing to protect them from! I can easily imagine that an abundant world is a safe and loving world for children. Scarcity is the reason we have so many hazardous designs and patterns in our life today.

Of course, a child does have to "go out" and explore. The child will make "mistakes" (experiments with unexpected results) that he will learn from, but he will not need protection.

Another thing that I imagine is that we will understand what life and death really are... and we will connect with the being that has that child experience at deeper levels, and we will understand that there is only experience, and no need for protection. I think that attachment is a form of fear and that it will become obsolete.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

On the fear subject, I recall once reading a channel say that all fears are about not feeling in control of what happens to our bodies. And that can be hunger, exposure to the elements, violence, imprisonment, sexual abuse, and other situations. Some bodies of mystical material say that fear is why we are here (the Michael teachings http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael say that all of the primary Earthly lessons come from fear, and if that is the case, it is easy to get on the Creator’s case for a reality like that, especially one that we inhabit).

So, would souls bent on fear just use FE to create another fearful scenario for Earth and humanity – threaten to strip mine the entire planet or blow it up in a demonstration of “power”?

Those who have witnessed almost constant denial and even revulsion toward the idea of Heaven on Earth have had to wonder if making the “kill-or-be-killed” or “I win, you lose” games obsolete is what is behind that revulsion and fear, as people’s souls speak out, not wanting their game to be compromised, because they came here to experience limitation and fear, after all. What party poopers people like me are! :)

It took many years of seeing the many rejections of the idea of FE (Levels 1 to 3 http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1) for that suspicion to begin to sink in. If people want Hell on Earth so badly, maybe they should get it, but I have heard for a long time that a place is being prepared for them to keep playing that game, but it won’t be Earth, because Earth has an appointment with ascension. And those who go to that world will be very relieved to not have to share the planet with people like me, and that is their divine choice, and I think it needs to be respected. None of us can really see what lessons others have come to learn. Heck, we don’t even get to see what ours are until they hit us over the head, after sneaking up behind us. :)

But, for people who want Heaven on Earth, but have fallen into the thrall of “progressives” like environmentalists, Peak Oilers, liberals and radicals, whose “solutions” are some form of austerity seemingly born of a hair shirt mentality, I have a different message: abundance. I also think that Earth will welcome it.

Then you have stuff like Roads seeing two probable Earths, about three hundred years into our future, where its humans took the two poles of love and fear:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads

Both seemed to be Earthly realities, and ties in nicely to the idea of probable realities. As Roads’s mentor said, most of humanity will likely take the middle road, where George Bush the Twelfth will be president. :)

This, I know: Heaven on Earth will not be attained by violating the free will of others in ways that harm them. We can’t “get” the bad guys. Even trying to do so makes us like them. Part of them really gets off on all of the rampant conspiracism, as it feeds fear. They dig it when “progressives” get blinkered by their structuralism, listening the Heinberg and Peak Oilers, as if they have real answers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#introduction

They probably get more kicks seeing people arise from their apathy and hacking at branches and going down the rabbit holes than they do those riveted to the tube with their quiet desperation.

So, will fear go entirely away? Maybe not. But in a world of abundance, it would no longer run the show, as it does today. Maybe that is totally wrong, and fear will always reign here. If that is the case, then I want a different assignment next time. :)

I have mentioned it in some of my interviews that with FE, urban environments will largely become obsolete, but I have seen a lot of resistance to this idea.

Why do we have cities? As I see it, and how anthropologists generally see it:

1. Cities allow for close human interaction and specialization, creating social complexity that can be more efficient at producing goods.

2. There has been a tension between progressive and exploitation theories since Confucius and the ancient Greeks. The “progressive view” holds that civilization allowed for a higher standard of living than those living outside it, and the "exploitation view" held that elites could exploit the masses in civilizations. Both are true to some degree.

What makes cities possible?

A. Stable and secure imported resource supply, which was virtually all energy-based: food, water and fuel (wood, coal, gas, oil, electricity);

B. Cities are usually situated on low-energy transportation lanes, which were water-based in pre-industrial societies, but eventually also on rail lines and motor highways.

The original factories in England and America were not in cities, but were where the energy was, near steep hills with rivers, powered by hydropower. Only with steam engines could factories be moved into cities, or like Manchester, the cities were built around factories. Steam power also built Pittsburg, while the East Coast factories were still powered by rivers.

But bringing cities and factories together were due to energy scarcity, putting the people within easy commuting distance of their place of work.

Almost everything that happens on Wall Street would be completely obsolete in an abundance-based economy. All Western financial districts would be the same way. Skyscrapers are largely filled with clerks who make nothing of value, except for the owners to garner profits.

Imagine the Harry Potter movie, The Goblet of Fire, where there is this kind of flash mob of magical people converging for a Quidditch tournament. If people need to gather in a FE world, they can do it like that. There may be some urban environments, but they would be deeply integrated with nature.

Once you think through how energy scarcity led to many aspects of cities, about the only thing really left to argue for cities in a FE world is social interaction. But with FE, anti-gravity and other suppressed technologies, people can travel the globe in minutes, and we can almost communicate in real-time already, with videophones (first unveiled in the 1930s, but with Skype and related technologies, we have it today). Anybody on Earth could connect with anybody else in seconds.

In Seattle, and I imagine almost anywhere, given a choice, people would like to live rurally, but with urban amenities. With FE, everybody can do that. Today, there are about five acres per person on the planet, and that does not include artificial lands floating on the ocean, in the air, underground, and in space. Living on Mars or the Moon would also be easy. Also, when women are freed from the drudgery of being wealth-creating baby machines, I expect that the global population will decline for some time, like it is in the industrialized nations (their populations are not rising due to endemic reproduction, but from migration from the poor nations).

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

So cities will be another thing of the past... I am glad! I vote for that reality :biggrin: I like open spaces so much better. And with Free Energy, probably the concept of "my home" as a definite location in space, will be gone too, because you can easily live wherever you want whenever you want. And without the need to hoard material possession you don't really need a home. George Carlin said that "a home is a place where you keep your stuff!". Since stuff will be available freely everywhere no need to hoard it.

We've said above that in an abundance based society patents will become obsolete. Today, the advancement in science, even as crippled as it is by the "profit margin", competition, patents and suppression, it's still exponential! Now imagine how this will be when profit will not run the show, when patents don't matter, and competition is replaced with cooperation and all the data, the ideas and the work are freely available to all... just imagine the synergy and where that would lead us in a very very short time! And I am not afraid of this new science, as it will be "a science from the heart" and it will probably merge with spiritual evolution rather than opposing it.

[Lord Sidious]

You know Ilie, I was in Surfers Paradise in the past ten days or so.
A bus driver showed me the tallest apartment building in Australia, it looked to be around 30 floors high.
Imagine that, living that far up in the air, surrounded by concrete, steel, plastic and other man made dead things.
And so far from the soil, the grass, the plants, with their energy signatures.
Yuck, give me the desert or woods anyday.

[onawah]

The idea of anti-gravity technology and the possibilities that could bring intrigues me very much.
Imagine having a floating, moveable. self contained home that you could take on vacation.
I have visions of lounging on a glass enclosed deck, floating over the Himalayas, or floating down closer to earth for a day or two just above a plateau in Africa to get a closer look at the wildlilfe, and just generally being able to pick and choose which climate to live in at any particular time of year.

Not to mention being able to visit other civilized worlds! Think of what we can learn then!
I don't think it's going to be that long before a very new world will be taking shape on our planet, even though this very painful period right now just seems to be dragging on so very slowly.
If we keep on imagining what it will feel like in that future, we can at least reproduce that feeling somewhat in the here and now, and that energy in itself will surely help hasten the process.
It just takes a little courage and patience.

Wade, I just took a look at what you've posted about the Michael Teachings, which I love. Thanks!

[ktlight]

The idea of anti-gravity technology and the possibilities that could bring intrigues me very much.
Imagine having a floating, moveable. self contained home that you could take on vacation.
I have visions of lounging on a glass enclosed deck, floating over the Himalayas, or floating down closer to earth for a day or two just above a plateau in Africa to get a closer look at the wildlilfe, and just generally being able to pick and choose which climate to live in at any particular time of year.

Not to mention being able to visit other civilized worlds! Think of what we can learn then!
I don't think it's going to be that long before a very new world will be taking shape on our planet, even though this very painful period right now just seems to be dragging on so very slowly.
If we keep on imagining what it will feel like in that future, we can at least reproduce that feeling somewhat in the here and now, and that energy in itself will surely help hasten the process.
It just takes a little courage and patience.

I trust this to happen, when we feel it.

[Marsila]

Hi Ulli,

I think that attachment is a form of fear and that it will become obsolete.

I do not think it is the attachment that is the fear. It is having to deal with a pain you know you cannot deal with, I lost a sister when i was too little to understand.

as for the parents, in short they never got over, and the experience was described as 'bothersome' rather than one they feared...

maybe with free energy we'd have the tools to be able to sometimes communicate with people who have passed on, as death isn't a killer, just a stage to the next life we know nothing about, and no one would have to deal with such emotions? so more feeling at peace about death, with free energy

[Ernie Nemeth]

You cannot fear and love at the same time.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've just finished reading Michael Roads' book: Into a timeless realm. What a stretch for the mind and imagination... It may be a while before I process the information and the experience of that book.

If you have the slightest calling to reading it, please do! I can't recommended enough.

I thought I uderstood Wade's vision but... I did not. And this little thread we have here is barely scratching the surface.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

All I have to say to the recent flurry of exchanges is, “Right on!” Keep it up. Yes, the FE horizons can be pretty unlimited. Yes, death is but a doorway, and the dark shepherds want us all to fear death (losing our bodies is the ultimate loss in this plane, and almost nobody has ever done the conscious exit, leaving the body behind by willing ourselves to). Again, all fears are rooted in feeling out of control of what happens to our bodies (or the bodies of our loved ones).

Hi Ilie:

Yes, Into a Timeless Realm is a real mind-bender. Most people will get more out of it if they start with the three books that preceded it, but you jumped right into the meat! :)

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have some spare time today. I will find these books of Micheal Roads to read.

Thanks Ilie and Wade.

[ktlight]

I feel I have to bring thee 3 videos in. This is Michael Roads being interviewed by Tricia Brennan. He certainly talks mighty sense. They may well inspire further posts to this thread. I especially appreciate what he has to say about imagination.

Part 1 Rjrnkh4elgE

Part 2 NKWTbHXxfTk

Part 3 _l6qto0dn1s

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks KTlight for the Roads vids. Yes, great stuff. I had not heard him in a long time. I met him back in about 1995. Ever since I found his first book in 1985, I have been a fan. I gotta get his latest. Yes, it is very appropriate for this thread. He would probably join a lamb stampede to Heaven on Earth. :)

Roads is a good example of people who specialize in certain attributes of consciousness, but pay for it in other ways. I have been a fan of Tom Brown’s work for many years. He can track anybody, anywhere, and is most comfortable in the wild. His tales of “Grandfather” have been very inspiring to me. Roads’s writings about nature and his relationship with Pan are equally inspiring, but Roads can get lost walking around the block. He has no sense of direction, so he has tricks that he uses to not get lost. I have people in my life like that. They can barely tie their shoes, but they are tuned into the cosmos in ways that I am not, and I help them get through the basics of life, and they compensate me in their own way.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

I always say I could get lost in my own bathtub! lol

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As I have mentioned before, I know people who have explored the dimensions that Roads has, and their stories are very similar, as they are with other published otherworldly travels. For instance, Roads talked in those vids about one of the possible outcomes of what is ahead is that all of the murderers live on the same street. That is just like Monroe’s and others’ tales of the immediate afterlife, in the “Belief Systems Territories.” One of Monroe’s pupils wrote of visiting such a “hell”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#hell

But Roads was writing about physical reality. That kind of physical reality (where birds of a feather flock together) is consistent with many other bodies of mystical material, and is particularly consistent with the idea of going fourth dimensional (also called ascending, etc.). In the fourth dimension, everybody can “read” everybody else, so deception is impossible. In the third dimension, the primary way that the dark pathers (or psychopaths, in Western terminology) can operate is by disguising their intentions from others, but they often unmask themselves to their victims as they sink in their daggers:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#darkness

You can’t play the deception game in 4D, which is why Ra says:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#ra

that in 4D, the planets are all polarized to service-to-self or service-to-others. Not only can the dark pathers not deceive the other servers, they could not handle the “vibe” of being on a service to others planet. I have published my interpretation of that dynamic before:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

and that understanding, baked in with my experiences with Dennis, is that you can’t fight the darkness. When you do, they win. The only way to “win” with them is to not play their game. Even the desire to “win” is missing the point. With love, everybody can win.

I really liked it when Roads talked of the difference between intellect and intelligence. They are far from the same thing. The materialist-rationalists that dominate the rad left, for instance, believe in violence as a solution,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/opinions.htm#_ednref6

which is why they are largely impotent in their efforts. They have intellect, but their intelligence has a ways to go, but they are close to “getting it,” a lot closer than many others. I have not yet given up on them, but I don’t spent much time banging my head against their wall, either.

Gotta go to work.

Best,

Wade

P.S. Ernie, never fill your tub very full. We need you! :)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

If every inhabitant of our planet agreed to this idea, we could use FE and straigthten up Earth's axis and seasons would become obsolete... There would still be various thermal zones. South or north from equator it will be more and more colder. But there would be no seasons...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Robert:

But I like seasons, so it probably won’t happen in my lifetime, especially if the polar bears and maple trees also get a vote. :) But if Earth wants an end to seasons, I can live with it.

You touch on an important subject, and one that environmentalists and others fear so much. There is probably a lot of clandestine geo-engineering taking place today, of the dark kind, such as chemtrails, engineered earthquakes and weather control.

Again, I do not treat the loving world that Roads saw as fantasy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and I have spent a lot of time over the years thinking about how they did it. Sentient electromagnetic bubbles are obviously way beyond what is feasible in today’s “white science” world, and my mind is boggled by simply trying to understand how it worked. The learning beds are easier for me to imagine, as classes like Silva are kind of precursors to them.

In that world, they had the ability to control the weather, but chose not to. I am sure that it had to do with respecting Earth’s choices and those of its life forms. Abundance and harmlessness are the stars that I steer by for humanity’s future on Earth (or at least the future that I want to participate in).

If you study Earth’s past, at least as revealed by its scientists who specialize in such things, you find that thick deciduous forests once lived near the North Pole, nearly the entire planet was frozen, and even in this “long summer” of this interglacial period, there have been dramatic climate shifts. The last few thousand years have been uncommonly stable. Part of the FE vision that I have is that humanity can stop being dependent on the weather, like they were in pre-industrial societies. Scientists now think that the collapse of the Anasazi and Mayan civilizations (and others, like at Angkor Wat), were primarily initiated by long droughts, like fifty years droughts. With FE wisely implemented, wet, dry, hot and cold periods of Earth’s journey would not mean any suffering for humanity. If Earth wants to have another ice age (highly likely), then humans would be fine, and the ecosystems can adapt to Earth’s changes in their own way.

But, in that world that Roads saw, there also seemed to be a close husbanding of Earth by humans. Those talking trees and such I have to believe had the human influence to thank for their sentience, at least a little. I am very curious to know what kind of relationship that civilization had with Earth’s physical systems. Could a civilization like that become one of Kaku’s imagined levels of energy control, but they decided that they did not want to play that game? I am guessing that that would be the case. Wanting to control a star’s energy seems a bit megalomaniacal. :)

As long as love is always the primary star that we steer by, all should be well. Those vids of Roads’s were typical in that the real dark stuff that might be around the corner he does not want to talk about. That is real typical amongst visionaries like him. I truly believe that if enough of us can hold the high visions, it will not only bode well for our futures, but the mass of sleeping humanity will benefit. When Roads said that only about 3-5% of humans today are even trying to raise their awareness, I knew that he knew. That is part of the conundrum, obviously.

Let’s keep flexing those imaginations, people! :)

Best,

Wade

[Seikou-Kishi]

The lifeforms on Earth have developed with a framework of seasons, they germinate in spring, they flower in summer and fruit in autumn. It would be disastrous for our ecologies to remove the framework which tells the lifeforms when it is time to do x. It would be supremely selfish to do that to every other form of life on Earth just because humans have fallen into the habit of moaning about the cold in winter and the heat in summer.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Oliver, I wrote we would do that if every inhabitant agreed. All lifeforms are inhabitants of our planet... And our planet would have to agreed as well :)
In Equador where seasons are not so distinctive as in higher latitudes, there are places where farmers harvest three times a year :) Plants obviously don't mind that and like it...

But I agree that if something is not broken you don't fix it :)

[ClandestineDisclosure]

Our Free Energy Prototype is complete...testing within a matter of days with Ralph Ring present. My camera will be rolling.
OK, just wanted to throw that out there before I chipped in:

With a craft like the OTC-X1 Circular Foil Craft - brainchild of Otis T. Carr inspired by Nikola Tesla - you would possess travel at the speed of thought, which means:
No trucks on the roads
goods, food stuff instantaneously delivered immediately where they are needed - no need to jump in your government-sponsored Chevy Volt for a grocery store run, right? meh, we'll see....
Assuming a monetary system is still in existence, prices of everything should drop severely - non-existent transportation costs
Everyone becomes untouchable - more or less - which makes war obsolete. This implies that the free energy devices provides some impressive shielding (think Tesla's antiwar device...The Wall of Light).

Taking it to the next level - and Ralph Ring talks about this all the time - Not only will we have flying RV's; but houses and cities too...by the time we have the OTC-X1 type craft which is operated by human consciousness, guess what boys and girls...we probably won't need the craft.

Ultimate freedom?

The guys in Australia are working on the model - enhancing the design.
Over the past couple of days, we've had a few mores engineers join our team - one from Cal Poly - another from Japan (relocating to the US) - and yet another who's already successfully built a free energy magnet-based motor (he's had his life threatened a few times and is frustrated with the powers restricting the technology).

So, are these guys for real? Are that close to having it all...time will tell.

Peace

[Bollinger]

I like very much all of what I've read on this thread.

There exists an abundance of real evidence out there that suggests free energy is not only theoretically but physically possible as well. Some of the most treasured tenets of physics have already been challenged and proven wrong by recent discoveries with regard to nature of matter (at quantum level), that it would not surprise me at all if the first law of thermodynamics is perhaps a limitation in our understanding rather than what is possible. Today, physicists have proven that only 5% of the universe consists of visible and detectable matter, 20% of it is dark matter and 75% of it they call dark energy. None of our laws of physics define, acknowledge or even take account of 95% of what we are made of. How then can any law of physics be taken at face value when it only applies to 5% of the universe?

As to the ramifications of free energy, the possibilities are almost boundless. Today, almost everything we do or try to do is regulated by this horrible idea called demand and supply. If something is deemed to be scarce, it is immediately out of the reach of the majority. But the actual controlling of what is scarce and how scarce it is lies in the hands of those who have their hands on the economic levers. It is therefore an elitist idea perpetrated by elitist personages.

The artificial price we are made to pay for our energy supply is so high that it remains the road block to nearly all forms of human expression and expansion. It limits travel, transportation, food production, medical care, housing and just about everything else you can think of. On top of that, the current forms of energy we use are actually destroying our environment in the process.

It promotes competition and keeps us in survival mode. That in turn makes us highly controllable because non-conformity leads to the loss of the privilege to actually being allowed to be a slave. Even that, we have to compete for. If we take ourselves out of the system and have nothing to fall back on, we end up on the street with nothing but hunger and disease as our main prospects.

If we believe in the idea that there are people out there that would like the current system to continue because it serves their primary purpose, they will do everything in their power to ensure any physical manifestation of free energy technology does not see the light of day - ever. That obstacle is perhaps more difficult to negotiate than the invention of FE itself.

Free energy is a major step towards a vibrant, egalitarian planet that promotes the expansion of human spirit rather than the fear-based survival of the fittest paradigm. Survival should not be taken as a privilege. Life is a gift, therefore everything that it needs to continue without pain and stress should also be a gift.

What is the point of giving someone a present and then saying in order to keep it you must do me the following favours which for the most part involves pain and tedium? It's ludicrous and yet, people in their droves accept it as the norm and swallow everything they are taught without question and without doubt.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Clandestine Disclosure.

I hope that you are not doing that in California. Putting my own experiences aside,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

more wiping out of alternative energy technologies happens there than anyplace else. The same goes for alternative medicine:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#justice

I am a Cal Poly alum myself. Small world. I hope that the anti-war technology becomes something that people put in their sock drawers and forget about, because abuse and violence become obsolete ideas, but I can see that there might be a need for something like that in the beginning.

Hi Bollinger:

Brilliant post. Thanks. Yes, energy scarcity is the lynch-pin of the scarcity paradigm, and the Big Boys know this very well. Yes, energy abundance can change the human game on Earth in ways that can be hard to imagine.

Best,

Wade

[Marsila]

some excellent posts by everyone today, Thank you!!

and i agree without all the 'waves' and interference in our mind and psyche with what we use for energy today, we'd be calmer people, whose true selves really see themselves as connected with everyone else to.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

After reading Michael Road's book I am a bit shy on posting on this thread, but I'll still have a go, "borrowing" some ideas from Michael's vision.

Wade pointed a bit at what I want to write about when he mentioned Kaku. His civilization types seems so arrogant to me, and almost violent. The idea of controlling the energy of a galaxy... humans using science in an attempt to be the biggest meanest kid on the block. I've never heard him mention compassion or consciousness.

In some of Michael's vision the line between science, heart and consciousness is very blurry. I resonate with that. I choose that and hopefully it will be (is) part of my experience "at one time". Humans could ask the trees for a house and the tree would grow into a house. You could live in that tree and tree would live with you. No need to cut it down and kill it. In other vision humans would use consciousness and water to carve houses inside rocks. But it was a different feeling than from what we are doing today. Today we are violent with the Earth. We use "power tools" to take away by force what we need, to control the environment, instead of asking for permission and cooperating with it. We use force to try and mold the Earth in what we think she should be like and we spend enormous amounts of energy trying to maintain our mold. In a free energy world this will no longer be case. Even we could, we will choose not to.

So the science of the future, while being more advanced than what we have today, it will also look simpler, more clean, friendly and safe. It will have a lot of consciousness and compassion in it. To the untrained eye it may even look primitive :). I would argue with Kaku that we are on the path of discovering that we are universal multidimensional beings and we don't need to control the energy of a galaxy.

PS: Thanks Ktlight for the wonderful videos.

[ulli]

Humans could ask the trees for a house and the tree would grow into a house. You could live in that tree and tree would live with you. No need to cut it down and kill it.

Ilie,

Something like this is already underway. I can foresee that while living inside this

the tree will anticipate your needs and grow the extensions.

http://cdn.dornob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/growing-livign-tree-house-design.jpg

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[onawah]

This fits right in with my vision of the future:
ClandestineDisclosure wrote "Taking it to the next level - and Ralph Ring talks about this all the time - Not only will we have flying RV's; but houses and cities too...by the time we have the OTC-X1 type craft which is operated by human consciousness, guess what boys and girls...we probably won't need the craft."

Given the concern of some for the safety of this project, I suggest a request for Lightworkers to send Light and protection energy to those involved. It works!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

There is definitely cross-fertilizing happening with my thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet/page55

and this one of Ilie’s.

I’ll post stuff periodically on my thread that was triggered by posts on this one, but I don’t want to take this thread off-topic.

Ilie, you are getting it, and I can appreciate that you may feel daunted by some of what you have encountered lately, but let me say that this thread needs you. Your posts hone right in on the gold, all the time.

Yes, as I have written many times on my thread and elsewhere, it is easy for beginners and those with inventor-itis to think that the FE conundrum is about technology. It is really about the level of personal integrity (and resulting level of consciousness) that humanity is collectively manifesting (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn). Only in world where the general level of personal integrity is so low (directly related to Roads’s observation that only 3-5% of humanity is even trying to raise their awareness) can the sociopaths run the show as effectively as they have. Technology is really a small part of the issue, paradoxically. Brian O eventually came to realize it, too.

Yes Ilie, perhaps the greatest failings of today’s science are its tunnel vision (its denigration of consciousness, among other blind spots, relegating it to a byproduct of chemistry), its fixation on weaponry and its arrogance, which extends to humanity, Earth, her denizens, and so on. A great deal of the technological revolution since WWII has to do with “stealing” ET technology. Trombly gave Roddenberry the idea for that Next Gen show where the civilization specialized in stealing technology from more advanced ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Snare – it was a thinly-veiled allegory of what humanity is doing, today, regarding ET technology.

In a semi-defense of Kaku, he thinks that telepathy has to do with quantum entanglement. He misses the boat in trying to explain that stuff with “white physics,” but at least he acknowledges that telepathy is possible.

Along what Ulli has posted and Ilie writes about, it is very possible to have a highly symbiotic relationship with all of life, and if life forms want to become clothing, furniture or houses, that would be cool, but in that world that Roads saw:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

the relationship with life forms was so different than how we do it anywhere on the planet today that it really takes a long time to sit with the concepts to begin to shed our current ideas on the subject. I did not get the sense that plants willingly became clothing, furniture or dwellings in that world, but I am sympathetic to the idea. But, for instance, I feel that Luther Burbank’s “success” in convincing cacti to shed their needles, just so cows could eat them, was far from the highest and best use of such abilities.

When the grain that was that society’s (the one that Roads saw) staple was harvested, it nearly leapt into the harvester, and not because it was “tricked” into it, but because it knew its role. One of today’s goodies is that for plants that are eaten gain from the experience of having its body being eaten by animals they receive a boost of consciousness from the experience, and obviously, the higher the consciousness of the eaters, the more advantageous it is for the plants. That is not a justification for treating plants however we want, but there is a symbiosis happening even today, but in Roads’s world, that relationship was developed at conscious levels that are nearly unimaginable today. But, that is the star that I steer by. Can we have an abundant, harmless and symbiotic relationship with all life forms? Yes, but that is a ways down the path that FE can help blaze. If I can just see us heading down that path when I cash in my chips, that will be more than good enough for me.

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Ulli, we have a thread started by Muzz about living bridges in India. People are forming passages out of living trees' branches over the river. 500 years old :)
link here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30646-The-Living-Bridge&p=311077&viewfull=1#post311077)

[Humble Janitor]

While free energy is promising, I remain skeptical that it will be uncovered for the general public anytime soon.

That is, unless you believe in the recent Wilcock/Fulford interview in which Fulford mentioned that free energy was coming sooner than later.

As someone said, I'd welcome the dissolution of the concepts of profit and work. I'm sick and tired of working for people with obvious negative reptilian brains and patterns.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Humble Janitor:

My information does not come from the Wilcock/Fulford side of the fence, but I highly doubt that it will be status quo for much longer. As Roads said, if it does, then we are in big trouble. I’ll buy that. Yes, with FE, no more laboring for the reptiles! :)

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Ulli, we have a thread started by Muzz about living bridges in India. People are forming passages out of living trees' branches over the river. 500 years old :)
link here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30646-The-Living-Bridge&p=311077&viewfull=1#post311077)

Thank you so much for showing me that link. I would not have known,
as I can't keep up with all the threads on the forum.
Absolutely fantastic.
This reminded me of the living fences of Costa Rica
where the farmers push wooden sticks into the ground
which in no time sprout roots and soon become trees.
The soil here is very fertile, due to the many active volcanos.
Here is a picture of such a fence after ten years.
Ilie, I hope you don't think this is off-topic, I just thought it could be of interest.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_owfQZGLpSLI/SbcX03MU2hI/AAAAAAAACbM/K2H_iJdoP94/s400/IMG_2212fence4.jpg

[Seikou-Kishi]

Humans could ask the trees for a house and the tree would grow into a house. You could live in that tree and tree would live with you. No need to cut it down and kill it.

Ilie,

Something like this is already underway. I can foresee that while living inside this

the tree will anticipate your needs and grow the extensions.

http://cdn.dornob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/growing-livign-tree-house-design.jpg

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Wow Ulli, that's amazing. The possibilities will be endless when we give up coercion and force.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Big/medium/small/ugly/obscene/stupid/other bilboards will become obsolete...
Electric/telephone/other poles will become obsolete...
GSM/radio/other towers will become obsolete...
No more spoling/obscuring of the landscape :)

[Lord Sidious]

Big/medium/small/ugly/obscene/stupid/other bilboards will become obsolete...
Electric/telephone/other poles will become obsolete...
GSM/radio/other towers will become obsolete...
No more spoling/obscuring of the landscape :)

That one is huge for me.
I like nature to be just that.
Not messed up with all the crap people build all over it.
I don't like to call it wilderness, that is arrogance.
It isn't wild waiting to be tamed, it is just as it is meant to be, nature.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Since 1986, when I first heard of FE, I have been thinking of how humanity can live abundantly and harmlessly on Earth. I have long wondered about what the surface of Earth might look like in a FE world, implemented in enlightened fashion. Again, air and water pollution would end, as would scars like mines, roads, electric lines and so forth. But could we make new lakes, something like Lake Baikal, and a bunch of them in the deserts? Making the lakes would provide all the metal that humanity needs, and it would also be the source of water for those living around it, and could be replenished (all of the used water would be recycled indefinitely, but a lot would evaporate or used to make the river(s) that ran from it) by underground pipe or by anti-grav ship deliveries from the desalination plants. Those are cautious speculations of mine. If Earth would not agree to it, then it is not for me, but I would make one heck of a sales pitch, with an enlightened humanity living abundantly and harmlessly on what was once a desert. There would still be plenty of desert. Again, I am not sure about such an idea, but the idea of consciously creating terrestrial paradises sure seems like fun. I am pretty sure that if our intention was loving, Earth would be on board, but I am also sure that if we approached the subject lovingly, “mysteries” would be revealed that are presently invisible.

It looks like many incredible-to-today’s-world discoveries were made along the way to that world that Roads saw:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and a loving heart is what made the discoveries possible. For me, if we can turn the corner from this path of semi-sentient self-destruction, it will be a lot of fun to make the journey toward that world, with plenty of “Divine Surprise” along the way. That seems like an adventure worth taking, and I would be among the first to sign up.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've been thinking about deserts, the South and North pole, and other areas on the planet that are deemed "harsh" or "extreme" by the Discovery channel.

With Free Energy, there sure is the temptation to "terraform" the face of the Earth to make it a paradise... for us :biggrin:. We should probably be careful with such changes, and I would not embark on those, unless we know for sure we have the agreement of mother Earth and of the creatures that would lose their homes.

But that being said, there is a lot of room for improvement by simply removing our current violent practices that Wade has already mentioned: air, water and soil pollution, mining, and blowing stuff up.

And speaking of blowing stuff up, we talked about the weapon industry becoming obsolete. And here there are two things that need mentioning again. Those are the hydrogen bomb and the nuclear bomb. While researching Viktor Schauberger's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger) work I've read that those two harm nature the most!

Other, more "down to earth" things, that would be gone, are parking spots and traffic jams! Major source of stress nowadays. Garbage storage areas and probably even the processing plants, once we're done with the cleaning operation, are also "goners".

I'd sure like to see all the poles, towers, cables and billboards gone. You can't take a picture of anything now without stumbling on cables or ads.

Another thing that I'd like restored are rivers. For example the Danube has a lot of canals, to straiten the river and make transportation faster and easier. Unfortunately that causes flash floods and it has also destroyed the the small environments along the river "curved path". In an abundant world there is no need for that.

On the obsolete list we should also add the animal farms. Not sure if they are even called farms these days or simply "processing plants". And with that, a lot of the "stress and suffering energy" that gets trapped in the animal products, will be gone too.

Antibiotics are also on the list. I was always worried when I had to take "anti-biotics" because their names means: "anti-life" :biggrin:. Probably we can stuff all the drugs on the list.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, caution should be the byword for using FE. First, humanity should clean its nest. Once everybody enjoys the immediate benefits of FE, then the more ambitious projects can be broached. I have put my vision in stages for a long time:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

As I have stated before, a detailed roadmap does not make much sense because there will way too many variables at play. If we can adhere to some principles:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#pursuing

they can see us through with whatever happens. Yes, Ilie, a lot of “modern medicine” will disappear with FE, because it is based on a warfare model (with large helpings of greed):

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#masculine

Factory farms will also be long gone, at least if love prevails:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#mcdonalds

Yes, dams would become obsolete, and restoring rivers would be high on my list of things to do. Back in my Dennis days in the 1980s, I used to say that one of the first things that I would want to part of is dismantling all of the hydroelectric dams in Washington State. Not to spite the BPA:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#whoops

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

but to remediate such “progress” back to its natural state, and that will also likely mean restoring the original riverbeds. Wouldn’t that all be fun! Cleaning up the Great Pacific Garbage Patch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

and the smaller versions in the other oceans would also be on the list of things to do. Related to those garbage patches, packaging would also largely become obsolete and any plastic that can become seaborne will be biodegradable. A great deal of packaging is due to the capitalistic model, for reselling merchandise in stores. That entire situation could easily disappear under an FE economy.

Keep imagining!

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

tens years after my first post:

Finished final stages of project that most people have been involved with and a soft whir is all the evidence of the massive energy buildup. My entire domicile lifts from the face of the earth and lifts higher and higher into the air. Using guided meditation/telepathy my home slowly docks at the new floating city in exactly the correct alignment. The next few days are a blur of activity as I connect to the city infrastructure and then help a few new arrivals do the same.

Later I fly myself in a leisurely arc above the city. The crystal lattices sparkle in the sunlight in a rainbow hue. Not one part of the city is like another as everyone has had a hand in its design using their own imagination to construct the buildings. Some are giant trees with open areas for windows. Others are structures of green lace-like kelp so flimsy looking it boggles the mind they can stretch so high. Another area reveals an ocean of seaweed just beginning to touch a bank of clouds. Closer to their base a river of pristine water runs into a reservoir.

As I float on my back like an otter in water I watch in amazement while a team of aeronauts practice their art. They respond to my emotions and zip over closer to give me a better view! Then they encourage me to join in and show me some manouvers that leave me screaming with delight. Just like a rollercoaster ride without rails or cars. There will be a huge jamboree in the central plaza in a few days to highlight some of the newest artforms and they assure me I haven't seen anything yet. I send them love and appreciation and they respond with yet an even more incredible display.

After a while I allow myself to plummet downward and watch as the massive girders of diamond filaments races past. Then I spread-eagle to slow myself and inspect the underside of my crystal city. There are areas where gassomer threads dangle from which droplets slowly collect from above and rain falls to the earth. This I know is our waste water, grey water that is already filtered by plants and sediments above. And this water falls onto the dessert below where another massive effort is underway to reclaim an area of wasteland from the ravages of our former ways of life. Already a tinge of green hints at the success of this effort. I am overcome with elation and send loving thoughts to those wonderous souls involved in this effort. They thank me for my gift.

And as I pass back around the side of the city I catch a glimpse of one of the massive torsion feild generators that keeps our city stable. Not a peep does it make but there is a haze of ill-defined space surrounding it attesting to its function. I sweep up and over my neighborhood and send greetings to my new neighbours. Sensing my hail, they return my greeting. I hover above my domocile, inspecting it and appreciating its asthetics. I've made mine out of a saphire blue crystaline lattice. It is circular and spans perhaps twenty feet in diameter. I command the roof to open and the shell splits in two and separates, leaving a gap of ten feet, through which I fly and land in my alcove. Feeling a bit sticky I step into my shower and the jets immediately turn on. First soapy water cleanses me then clean, clear water, with a scent of lavender rinses me off. With a thought, the water turns off and hot air dries me in seconds. I pull on another jumpsuit and take the cricular staircase down to the living room. This room serves all possible functions, right now I call for the sitting room.

One wall is a giant view screen with various sections, each with its own programmed displays. Its just easier to have physical displays, being new to the mental gifts that are blossoming all over the planet. One section is the news of the city and various suggestions awaiting my vote. Another I keep tuned to the cosmos, flashing from one scene of interest to another. Still another part is my own ongoing projects, some personal, some in tandem with others.

This has been a very busy day and I am tired so I call for my sleeping chamber. Slowly the room reconfigures and I'm lifted up. I select some music, adjust the temperature and choose a book to display overhead. I could have it read to me but I prefer to read. After a bit of reading I turn off the display with a thought. I float in the middle of this room staring out at the open sky as I drift off to sleep contentedly.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

This garbage patch is something terrible. I think we have plenty of cleaning ahead before we engage in other projects. We will certainly not be bored :) I have learn last year that one of the household names companies making vacuum cleaners plans to recycle plastic from that patch into apliances. I dont want to advertise so I keep that name to myself ;) And this patch is rather liquid, like a soup made of tiny bits of plastic. Not some kind of island you can walk on :( No way for sealife creatures to not swallow plastic :(

Thank you Wade for recalling we have such skeletons in our closet...

Ernie your visions are beatiful :) Thank you :) I now know why you are so frustrated and impatient of geting from here and now to THERE :) I would like we have it like that right now too... Sorry I obscured your post with mine...

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Another idea that would become obsolete is human-induced global warming. With FE, taking all of that human-introduced carbon dioxide out of the air would be a cinch:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#carbon

You could almost call it geo-un-engineering, where we clean up our mess:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#waste1

The result of that cleanup could begin the world’s first element bank:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=180815&viewfull=1#post180815

Those would more fun projects that I would be very happy to be a part of.

Man, Ernie:

You are leaping the octave, buddy. Keep it up. That one was pretty mind-boggling. I wonder how many Hollywood writers will be raiding our visions for ideas (or are right now - I have had Hollywood plagiarize me before, and that was a nuisance, because I was accused of plagiarism when it was the other way around). Ah, no fireballs or cloak-and-dagger intrigue, so they may have a hard time selling their script, but they are welcome to mine.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Just a brief note. I do not mean it in the New Agey way of something like The Secret, but the kind of visioning work that Ernie just published brings that kind of world closer to us, in ways that are hard to comprehend. As is written about plenty: how do we get from here to there? I write on that subject plenty:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#stage1

but it is vitally important work that people also imagine what it could look like. I could give some mundane examples of fiction leading reality. I have a cell phone, the RAZR, that is obsolete today in the era of smart phones, but its design was inspired by the communicators on the original Star Trek. Or think of Jules Vern. The kind of imagining that this thread is about is regarding technology that already exists.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

What is happening on this particular thread I have not seen anywhere before, not like this. As Ilie says, breaking the cycle of denial around FE is one of the key parts of making it happen, and I definitely agree. While I look for needles in haystacks, those who can become Level 12s,

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

visions like the one that Ernie just posted can be a magnet to attract those needles.

Best,

Wade

[araucaria]

I’ve only just caught up with this wonderful thread, thanks everyone. Off the top of my head I could add: the disappearance of noise pollution – no hedge-trimmers (no hedges), no lawn-mowers (no lawns) etc. etc. No suburbia (we could all have suites in palaces together), no homemade cooking chore (we could use/contribute to 4-star soup kitchens); and on an interpersonal level, more independence equating paradoxically with more interdependence: all time together will be quality time.
A puny attempt at the tip of this truly immense iceberg.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Ernie,

Just a quick post to let you know that your vision (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=312884&viewfull=1#post312884) has my full vote and agreement and whatever is needed to come true :biggrin:

Hopefully we will get to meet there have a friendly laugh at the "memory" of this thread ;)

[Wade Frazier]

Ah araucaria, any attempt to imagine that “future” world is a good attempt. In that world that Roads saw, they still had lawns, but they never needed mowing:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I’ll sign up for that. :) If people want to spend their days doing “slow food,” that seems like a good way to spend it. Another thing…if we get to become a Level 16 society:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level16

some of us will become Level 19s and won’t need to eat anymore. In some future visions that I have read (where people were doing future life progressions and similar exercises), eating became optional. I remember one vision (which I think that I write about on my site someplace) where a small community stopped eating, and touched a musical disk each day to get their energy. Of course, there are some Level 19s on the planet today, but in the potential FE world, it will become more of a practical option.

Yes, Ilie, may we all meet on a healed planet, laughing. :)

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Here comes another list of things rooted in scarcity.

- forming and standing in very long lines :biggrin: You know for sure that whatever is at the end of the line... is not enough for everybody... and in fact it may be gone by the time you get there.

- punishing mistakes: we are being punished for these "experiments with unexpected results", because is too expensive, energy wise, to actually try something different, to change things a bit, to play, to experiment.

- profit focused science and research: this is why we have billions of dollars invested in cosmetics rather than healthy food for example. And I am not talking here about supplements! Some of them are good, but not really compared with healthy fresh fruits or vegetables. And we need supplements because of the nasty food we eat. In fact, I could argue that the supplements industry is based on an unhealthy food industry.

- indoctrination (aka education in our times): is much "cheaper" and "easier" to follow the path most traveled, to not rock the boat. Why discover things on your own, with the risk of making "mistakes" or reaching totally "outrageous conclusions", when you can memorize and repeat the same things as others did before you.

- "we can't afford that" - how many times were you told this? how many times you had to say it?

- competition and pressure to succeed (mostly in financial terms): "be the best or you're a nobody", "you gotta climb on other people to get to the top", "hey... we may be friends but... you know... business is business!"

- the so called "environment movement" and "green energy" people. Their efforts are commendable and do raise the awareness about some of the issues. But they are deeply deeply rooted in scarcity. None of such movement would exist in an abundant society.

- the concept of "saving" - saving money, saving energy, saving food, saving stuff... has fear of scarcity all over it.

- non disclosure agreements: also necessary because "is not enough for everybody", "you gotta keep that competitive edge".

- taxes! No sure how those relate to scarcity, but I'm pretty sure they do, because we would not have then in an abundant society.

All the above concepts can be traced back to a "lack of energy" or should I say apparent lack.

With free energy, and the possibilities that it opens, there is no need to stand in line for anything! If there really is such a big demand for something new, distribution centers can be opened, or new delivery lines to people homes can be created at no cost.

"Making a mistake" will return to be what it used to be... a learning experience. Nobody stands to lose by it, and you have only to gain.

With free energy, science and research would pretty much skyrocket in ways hard to imagine now (not for Ernie ;)), although it could be argued that "war" and "defense" are the main things that push science forward.

Real education would replace indoctrination, and innovation and creativity would be more appreciated than repetition. In fact repetition will be obsolete once we clean our bodies and reclaim our memory capabilities.

You will always be able to "afford" the things you need in the moment, and you don't have to "save". Storage and stockpiling may still be used for large projects. At least in the beginning until the energy-matter converters make an entrance.

Competition as well as NDAs would make no sense in an abundant society. It would be completely stupid to reinvent the wheel every time, instead of cooperating and building on each others discoveries. Synergy will be a common thing.

And taxes... as Bashar once said (not exact quote): "Is unbelievable that you have to pay to live on your own planet".

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie and all:

On that most recent post, Ilie, you are really starting to go deep, deeper than I have in my work so far, and you are articulating it extremely well.

What a delight it is to see stuff like Ilie’s and Ernie’s latest posts on this thread. I have never seen anybody do this like this before, not in a setting like this. Back when I was with Dennis in the 1980s, when we began going there with the public and with people around us, the reactions almost always were rooted in some form of denial. You could sometimes literally watch people’s eyes light up in some recognition of what we were talking about, and you could see their minds quickly get boggled, but then the fear reaction would begin, somewhere along the way. If not in the next moments, then after they went home and thought about it some more, or talked about it with their friends and family. The next time we would see them, the denial and fear were getting pretty entrenched and, all-too-often, then would come the accusations and attacks. The more generous-spirited of them dismissed it all as dreaming (although possibly harmful dreaming that gave people “false hope”), with the less charitable accusing us of criminal motivation. You really had to see it to believe it.

When Brian remarked in our Camelot interview how lonely the FE journey was:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#lonely

he was partly referring to the permanent hairdo that he received from the wind of the door slamming in his face a hundred times as he knocked on doors where he was once welcome, as he played the Paul Revere of FE, like the Ivy League, the big environmentalist think tanks, Washington D.C., the “progressives,” and so on. The relative few of us on this path have walked through a desert of apathy, denial, attacks, and other joys, and we have virtually never had the pleasure of seeing a discussion reach the level that we are seeing on this thread. It has pretty much never happened before. I think that I am beginning to hear a choir. So, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, and keep it up! :)

Best,

Wade

[araucaria]

Creativity of any kind is rooted in FE. For me it is my personal 'proof of concept'. It is frowned upon in any field.

[Hughe]

It's one of best stories I've ever read about alien civilization.

IARGA
http://www.galactic.no/rune/iarga.html

Hope some of you grasp the idea of free society.

[Seikou-Kishi]

- taxes! No sure how those relate to scarcity, but I'm pretty sure they do, because we would not have then in an abundant society.

Taxes are stealing. They are rooted in government greed and oppression. They tax because they want your wealth. They call it taxing rather stealing because they consider themselves legitimate, or at least present themselves as legitimate. If governments had abundance they would not need to take from the pockets of the people and neither would they need to oppress them to ensure their revenue pool remains placid and compliant if not willing.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

In abundand, responsible and loving society of free energy era there will be no central government. Whole society be its own government. Every single member will be able to put some proposition for everybody to vote. Since everybody will be able to care for himself and be self-sufficient there will not be any need for state owned and managed "life-support" structure...

[Sierra]

A meditation based on Dennis Leahy's The Reset Button seems applicable here :)

From: http://www.resetbutton2011.org/Documents/ResetButton.pdf

We will have pure air to breathe, pure water to drink, and pure foods to eat.
We will have shelter that protects us from the natural elements and that fosters healthy family life and a healthy bond
with nature.
We will have the full spectrum of health care options, and the freedom to choose the health care options we wish to
utilize – heath care that is holistic and includes mental health, dental health, and eye health.
We will have basic, public transportation.
The social infrastructure of the United States will be properly maintained, updated, and expanded as we
deem necessary.
We will have non-polluting energy technology; we will have immediate access to zero-point, “free energy” technology,
The suppression of all alternative energy technologies will cease.
We will have freedom of open communication and expression to everyone, and to receive communication from
everyone - not through the filters of oligarchs.
We will have freedom from the oppression instilled using fear-based psychological weaponry.
We will end all so-called “black-ops” secret programs in the United States that operate under the guise of
national security – and we need full disclosure of all operations that fall outside the realm of true national
security.
We will have a government free from collusion with any entity – whether corporate, financial, foreign state, foreign
or domestic individual, syndicate, religious or secular group, secret society, or lobby – fulfilling our mandate to
be a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
We will have the freedom to choose our spiritual or religious path, or to choose none, and the freedom from direct,
organized religious influence on the US government.
All of the occult symbology will be removed from our money and our public buildings, and the secret
societies behind them will be exposed and removed from influence over our government.
We will govern ourselves using wise rules rather than relying on rulers.
We will have our sovereignty as individuals and as a nation, and the freedom to reach out globally to our brothers
and sisters on the planet, in friendship, to communicate, and to assist in true humanitarian ways if asked.
The sovereignty of every individual and of every nation in the world will be respected.
The education system will be dedicated to igniting the full potential of the human mind.
There will be a strong social safety net that cares for our elderly members, our physically and mentally incapacitated,
our overlooked and homeless and abandoned children, families, and war veterans.
We will love and to be loved, we will nurture and be nurtured, we will care for and be sustained by the natural Earth.

And best of all, if energy is free, we won't be poor, when there is an Avalon event, EVERYONE WILL SHOW UP!!!

<booking the bands ... >

[shamanseeker]

What a wonderful way to make a fence, Ulli! Thank you!

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks Sierra. Nice vision from Dennis. That is an impressive document. I see that he is referencing my writings. He has my blessing. He is a good man.

And to take it further into the future…

Nations will become obsolete. Territoriality is largely an energy-based phenomenon. Nations are little more than ape territoriality writ large. Those lines on the maps will quickly disappear with FE.

Best,

Wade

[Bollinger]

Just one example on its own can make the difference between life and death to something like 2 billion people. What is that example? Desalinisation. Free energy means you would have desalinisation plants popping up in areas where there is water shortage. The world would be able cultivate huge areas and bring food in abundance by using water from the oceans.

That one single consequence alone would be a tremendous achievement. It would open up the way for the creative capabilities of the entire planet to shine through because they won't be busy chasing crumbs but inventing, creating and building to make the Earth a super place to live. Fear would disappear because help is always around the corner, free of charge. Stress would vanish and people's general health would improve immeasurably.

Most, if not all, of the prohibitions holding us back from making this planet a paradise would be lifted in an instant.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi :)

I was looking for a free energy bumper sticker. I found something but don't know if it is apropriate to post a link here. It is a commercial site. I can PM you a link.
It reads like that:




FREE UP FREE ENERGY
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Its Here Its Abundand Lets Use It


The price is about 4 Euro per sticker. Add shipping costs. They ship internationally.

If mods agree I can edit this post later and add a link...

[edit]
Here is a link. No you will not sponsor me :) I hate money :p
http://www.zazzle.co.uk/free_up_bumper_sticker-128781915725100624
Thanks Paul :)

[ThePythonicCow]

If mods agree I can edit this post later and add a link...
The occasional link to a commercial site in which you have no personal financial interest is fine (I hope so anyway, as I've posted several such myself.)

[Ilie Pandia]

It's one of best stories I've ever read about alien civilization.

IARGA
http://www.galactic.no/rune/iarga.html

Hope some of you grasp the idea of free society.

Thank you for this book. It was a very interesting read and with some twists on what we think efficiency, justice and freedom are. The Iarga are quite different from the Earth that Michael Roads saw, but they seem be heading in the same direction.

One quote really stuck with me, that is relevant to this thread:


Culture is the measure through which a society caters to the least fortunate man. The measure in which the sick, invalid, old or poor people are taken care of. In short, the measure of collective unselfishness.

By this standard we are nowhere near civilization. Actually most of the tribes are much more civilized that we are. But it easy to see how free energy would be an instant "upgrade" in this area :biggrin:. Selfishness will become obsolete and with more than enough, I believe we will naturally care for all the human beings (and other beings) on this planet.

PS: I guess I wasn't ready for it, because I could not read the second part of the book :biggrin:. So probably I've missed some interesting things there.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

Yes, water desalination is one of the easily envisioned early uses of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

and it would be one of the more instantly transformative moments, for sure.

One of the things that Dennis tried, and still tries, is to get a foothold in the market with something less than FE, but it can pave the way to FE and what comes with it. The Big Boys know this well, unfortunately, which is why they are so vigilant to make sure that nothing ever gets too far along. They know the game they are playing:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#risk

I have been receiving some interesting PMs along this subject. I believe that I have written it on my site and at Avalon, but I have long suspected that the ZPF is divine in nature, and until our intentions are divine, we are not going to get any. That is another reason for the lamb’s path to FE. The GCs may well be playing a cosmic role in keeping it from us, although I doubt that they are consciously aware of it. The lamb’s path is consistent with using FE in an enlightened manner when we get there, and the means become the ends:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#idealist

perhaps more for FE than for any other endeavor, which another reason why the Young Warrior approach:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

trying to sneak past Godzilla:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#radar

and similar avenues are dead ends. Not only has the experience of countless aspirants shown that they won’t work, they are also objectionable on the grounds that they are not aligned with a world based on FE. This is a very difficult subject, but paths out of alignment with the goal are not going to work. This is like walking the razor’s edge. For those with inventor-itis, I have long stated that the only prayer that that approach has is for the inventor with the goods to give it to a worthy group. I have yet to meet an inventor with the goods willing to give it away (although I have heard of a couple), but more importantly, I have never heard of that worthy group. That choir might become that worthy group, but we are a long ways away from that, although threads like this are certainly a beginning.

Best,

Wade

[araucaria]

Taxes are stealing..

Not necessarily. They can sometimes be viewed as a nation doing what a smaller group would call setting up a kitty for some common purpose, possibly with each chipping in according to his means. I expect that something similar will continue for non-monetary contributions even in a FE society.
Having said that, it is true that the position of treasurer is often a much coveted one for the less than honest.

[Wade Frazier]

In Walsch’s Conversations with God, “God” said that in societies of highly evolved beings (HEBs), there is that “chipping in” to help out, but it is voluntary. There are no taxes. Taxes are compulsory, contributions are not. I keenly understand that in a world of scarcity, those ideas are seemingly unworkable, but that is in a world of scarcity. In a world of abundance, the idea works, but even then, it kind of does not. In that world that Roads visited:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

there were no accountants or treasurers or money. Again, in our world today, that can be hard to even imagine. That is the point of this thread, to make it imaginable. :)

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

The idea of money itself is mired in the scarcity-based paradigm.

Money does not measures value. Is one baseball player worth 100 medical researchers?
No!
Money measures status and nothing else.

Money is leverage, a way to control the lives of others.

[Lord Sidious]

Taxes are stealing..

Not necessarily. They can sometimes be viewed as a nation doing what a smaller group would call setting up a kitty for some common purpose, possibly with each chipping in according to his means. I expect that something similar will continue for non-monetary contributions even in a FE society.
Having said that, it is true that the position of treasurer is often a much coveted one for the less than honest.

That would be IF the taxes were used to run the nation, which is not the case.

[araucaria]

The idea of money itself is mired in the scarcity-based paradigm.

Money does not measures value. Is one baseball player worth 100 medical researchers?
No!
Money measures status and nothing else.

Money is leverage, a way to control the lives of others.

Money is a negative form of free energy just as creativity is the positive form. Money is the parasitical imitation of creativity. A baseball player focuses the energy of thousands of spectators, and emptying their wallets is just a 3D caricature of that effect.

[Ilie Pandia]

Please, lets not debate money and taxes unless you link them to energy scarcity or abundance :p

Let's stay :focus:

[araucaria]

Please, lets not debate money and taxes unless you link them to energy scarcity or abundance :p

Let's stay :focus:

I'm very sorry, Ilie, I don't understand your problem (but I have nothing further to add).

[Seikou-Kishi]

Taxes are stealing..

Not necessarily. They can sometimes be viewed as a nation doing what a smaller group would call setting up a kitty for some common purpose, possibly with each chipping in according to his means. I expect that something similar will continue for non-monetary contributions even in a FE society.
Having said that, it is true that the position of treasurer is often a much coveted one for the less than honest.

In a world in which the governments of the world safeguarded the rights and well-being of the people, there might be some truth to what you say. As it stands, governments defend the interests of the corporatocracy.

In a world better than ours, such taxation may be about 'each according to his means' contributing to common purposes. I interpret from what you say something like the Women's Institute. All members join voluntarily and contribute towards the institute. The difference with states though is completely different. States impose, they do not ask; I've never once heard a Prime Minister relying upon the milk of human kindness. Taxes are obligatory and membership of these 'clubs' is not voluntary. When it comes to citizenship, we are citizens because we were born on a parcel of land. We are an involuntary partner in a contract of citizenship. So 'who is taxed' is an involuntary association between people and state, and taxes are an obligatory payment decided upon that association.

If I selected people against their will and then required from them an obligatory payment, I would be called a thief. The difference between 'tax collector' and 'mugger' is nothing more than a difference in modus operandi.

And that is why I say that in a society based on abundance, not scarcity, taxes wouldn't exist. Contributions may exist, but not taxes. Taxes say "I want what you have and you have to give it to me" That is anathema to an abundance-based society.

[Lord Sidious]

Please, lets not debate money and taxes unless you link them to energy scarcity or abundance :p

Let's stay :focus:

I'm very sorry, Ilie, I don't understand your problem (but I have nothing further to add).

He is just saying that I dragged the thread off topic and please get back on topic.
Unless we can link taxes and energy.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Please, lets not debate money and taxes unless you link them to energy scarcity or abundance :p

Let's stay :focus:

I'm very sorry, Ilie, I don't understand your problem (but I have nothing further to add).

He is just saying that I dragged the thread off topic and please get back on topic.
Unless we can link taxes and energy.

'Twas I who brought up taxes after seeing them in a list of Ilie's. He seemed certain that taxes were a scarcity-based issue but couldn't see why. I was hoping to connect the dots for the benefit of the thread and its readers. The culpa is truly mea ;-)

[Ilie Pandia]

No no no... I posted the focus post because I thought that this will get into a "money is evil" debate that will never end! And I wanted to prevent that :biggrin:

Apparently... "one meets ones destiny on the path one takes to avoid it"! ;)

Oliver has a point. This is the link between taxes and scarcity:


And that is why I say that in a society based on abundance, not scarcity, taxes wouldn't exist. Contributions may exist, but not taxes. Taxes say "I want what you have and you have to give it to me" That is anathema to an abundance-based society.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Just briefly, and it will relate to my upcoming essay, money and taxes are inventions of civilization. So are harems, armies, slavery and other social institutions. When anthropologists have translated the earliest forms of writing in the first literate civilizations, they found that the first writing was accounting, usually to count up the king’s tribute (taxes).

Those are all scarcity-related phenomenon, but all of them have been argued as aspects of human nature, when they were really artifacts of the primitive economy. When economic standards rose due to increasing energy consumption, many of those “human nature” institutions eventually disappeared. Under a FE-based economy, others will disappear, and armies, money and taxes will likely go. Probably not immediately, but soon. It should become obvious quite quickly that those relics have outlived their “usefulness.”

Best,

Wade

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi :)

Just wanted to add that idea of taxes is really based on extorion by single "alfa" male/female. The latin word "fiscus" which is often associated with taxation is a word used by Romans to describe cezars private assets. His income.

In a free energy world if I can grow my own food grow my home myself and clothes if I could do whatever activity comes to mind without asking anybody for help and everybody else could live the same abundand life what would be use of money? And government would also be unncessary if everybody could effortlesly and abundantly support for themselves. We can synchronize our actions without government. Look at this forum. We are already synchronizing. I hope such kind of coordination will be "norm" in free energy society. In free software movements almost all projects are distributed not centeralized. Source code is also distribiuted not centralized. Everybody can join or leave such project. It is a model for free energy society. The only resources needed in free software project are time and ideas. You will never run out of time or ideas. It is like a smile. You can smile to anybody as many times as you like. Smile is abundant. Add to this energy that never runs out and the only you have to do to built millenium falcon is to setup some workspace for project and wait for volunteers :)

[Wade Frazier]

Robert, smile is not abundant! Only eight times per post! :)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

These are smileys :p I know 9 smileyes is not abundance but if you combine all the posts with smileys they are quite abundant together :) :) :) :)

They are like energy. They come in quants of 9 smileys ( 1 extra smiley in post topic ;) ) per post. But you will never run out of posts :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade, how dare you say such a thing! :nono: lol

That's a great idea Robert. Energy will be as abundant as smiles. :-)

Is there really a limit on smiles per post. Tell me it isn't so!

[Wade Frazier]

Ernie, try a post with nine smileys (the icon type, like this :) ), and see what happens. Mr. Smiley, Robert, discovered that one day, and I think I did too, early in my Avalon tenure. But that is a humorous side-light. Yes, smiley limits will end in a world of abundance! :) :). Again, manifesting abundance in our lives, when we live in a world of artificially-enforced scarcity, it quite a trick. Only Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

can really manifest true-blue abundance on the planet right now. Manifesting true abundance for the rest of us can only be a gang tackle. That is appropriate, I think.

Best,

Wade

[araucaria]

I don't understand - I have sent armies of smileys in PMs, but yes, for some reason the maximum here is 7


:rapture: :rapture: :rapture::rapture:
:rapture: :rapture: :rapture:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Darn, I wanted to one up Wade for a change, hehehe, you beat me to it!:boxing:

[Ernie Nemeth]

one year later:

We always knew they were here.

Ever since we began developing our internal senses, a group of us began rooting them out. They did not like being exposed and when enough of us realized their mostly nefarious intent they left enmass. But we knew they were watching from afar. Some claimed good intentions but since our "senses" were still developing we were not yet able to directly and confidently sort the "good from the bad". So we insisted that all beings not directly "of the earth" must leave. Some did not go willingly...

I receive an urgent "call" telepathically from my small group of spirit workers. I quickly don a jumpsuit and will myself up and out of my domocile. I locate the direction of the call and fly towards it, rapidly accelerating as I go. Others in the city send messages of unity and blessings. These I gather into my auric field, quickly amassing a great deal of energy as I zip overhead. Soon I am out of sight of our crystal city and travelling over the pristine landscape.

Although I am focussing on my mission, I still remember to appreciate the beauty of the natural world. I marvel at the great feats my brothers and sisters have already managed to accomplish in such a short space of time. It is still hard to believe that only 15 years ago most of this land had been a cesspool of desecration, ravaged by a society bent on destruction. But the grasslands below now team with wildlife of all descriptions. Since most of humanity now lives in the sky or even further afield, nature has reasserted itself with a vengance. The verdant flora has spread into the spaces cleared by the bio-engineers and deconstruction/reclaimation teams. All manner of fauna have increased their numbers back to population sizes not seen in thousands of years!

I spot an old shack mostly hidden in an arroyo of an old, dried out riverbed. Most of my team has already arrived and as I approach the final member sends us his ETA of a few minutes. I slow down and descend into the gully where my team is assembling. I land nearby and walk over raising my hand in greeting. My team hails me and we gather together, sharing our auric fields. The last member arrives and I take a moment to tease her about her tardiness. We share a smile among us then get down to business. She is our pointman and our leader. Her amazing abilities are already the source of legends.

Without further comment or instruction she leads us forward.

Soon we round a bend and the ramshackle "soddy" from a bygone era comes into view. I see the oldtimer sitting on an upturned canoe, whittling away with a large "Bowie" knife. As we near he looks up. His withered and creased features display no alarm. After inspecting us for a moment he bows his head back to his work. We approach the geezer and encircle him. Not a word is spoken. He knows why we are here.

Areil, our leader, walks up to him and stands a scant meter away. I gather my energies, as do my companions, ready to support her. Then I focus my awareness and tune into the vibration of the being behind the facade of this old timer. It is an ethereal being from another universe unlike any I have encountered before and I sense its tremendous power. My first instinct is to turn away in horror but Ariel centers us with a gentle reminder. "Fear is the mind killer", I chant my mantra while building my energies to their max and beyond. I mix my field with the others in the circle and soon a vortex of power swirls around us.

The being removes its tentacle from its victim and the old man slumps to the ground. He is no longer. Ariel sends out a call for a soul guide to come and aid the spirit of this man. I know they will facilitate his journey hence. But I cannot waver now, nor loose my focus. The task is at hand, the contest of wills about to begin. A few local animal spirits gather to lend aid if necessary and we thank them as one.

The being slowly approaches Ariel and unable to do otherwise, reaches a tentacle towards her. To my amazement, Ariel allows contact. She steadies us, calms us, reassures us, all in a blink of an eye. The being, already starving for energy, wraps an appendage around Ariels torso. Then another and another. Once well rooted, the being hauls its bulk off the ground and onto Ariel's back. Issueing contented slurping noises it begins to feed. In horror I watch as Ariel drops to one knee. Another moment slips by and her aura begins to fade while the being grows in size and strength. She drops to her other knee and her aura vanishes.

Now! She sends us the signal. We all pour our energies forward and into her. She accepts it and her aura returns in full measure. Now we in the circle drop to our knees as our energies near depletion. The being is enormous now as it consumes our combined fields. It roars a defiant bellow of victory, of superiority, sensing our weakness. Manfred, our "lightening rod", the one able to summon energies directly from the universal field in copious amounts without being consumed, calls for more power from the Source. The animal spirits respond and come to our aid, lending us their strength as well.

And we pray. We pray for this being. We pray for our fellow lifeform and its well-being. We call on the citizens of our crystal city to join in our prayer and all the denizens of our world. Soon a chorus of prayer reverberates around us. And then Ariel calls on the Earth Mother Herself to come to our aid. And the Father Sun. I pray with all my might until I see stars and my vision blurs. Swaying on my knees I cannot take much more.

But it is enough, it always is.

Meanwhile, had I the ability to turn my attention to our surroundings, the vortex of energy has reached a crescendo. Like a tornado of power it swirls around us, tossing our hair, deafening our ears and blinding our eyes. But our sight is inward, we have no time for, no awareness of such things. There is only us and this being and the job to be done.

Ariel is engulfed and dwarfed by the being as it continues to grow and grow and grow.

She slowly moves one foot under her. Then the other. Ariel stands, lifting the monster with her. And now, for the first time she breaks the silence to utter, shouting above the din:
"I bless you, child of The Most High God!" The being recoils in horror. It tries to disentangle its appendages from this tiny human entity beneath it. But Ariel grasps one of its tentacles and will not let it go. She pours the remainder of the vortex into the being until the tornado of power is no more.

Silence surrounds us now. And the dust drops out of the sky. In this utterly surreal moment, I glimpse the obsurdity of my situation, kneeling in the dirt, praying, while my companions in the circle do the same - and Ariel, tiny, sweet Ariel, holding this monster by a tentacle.

"I release you now. Go back to whence you came!" she orders. And with that command a brilliant flash of light and a tremendous clap of thunder heralds the opening of a portal. Into this opening she tosses the being as if it were a tiny puff of smoke. With one last roar the being disappears into the opening back to its own world and time. And then Ariel collapses, and we follow suit, spent.

It is over.

Moments later, a troop of healers arrive and transport us back to the crystal city and the mending begins. Soon, scant hours later, I'm feeling right as rain again.

Reflecting back on my experience I am elated to have been a part of such a miraculous event.

[Wade Frazier]

Jesus, Ernie, got any more like that? :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Ernie,

While reading your post I was thinking that the "bad" being was a hungry entity, that has run out of juice on the road to a more suitable universe, and that your team, and most specifically Ariel, was actually helping along to put it back on the road :biggrin:

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Oh Ernie this is fantastic :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wasn't going to post another one for awhile but all this nasty fear mongering going on is making me think twice.
Maybe tomorrow... These visions are not prepared, they come out of me as is, on the spot.
I shake (vibrate) while I write them.
Whatever...

[Ilie Pandia]

Keep them coming Ernie, they are most welcome!

PS: It's wonderful that those posts just come to you so easily. I need to squeeze my brains pretty hard to write something on this thread :biggrin:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Three years later:

We always knew they were here but we did not understand how big "here" was.

I wave my hands at the vid screen to manipulate the images. There is an aspect of this project that I cannot quite get my head around. Using a combination of hand movements, thought and keyboard input I instruct the maud (mind augmentation device, ie. computer) to recalibrate, reorganize and reconstruct the images with the new parameters I just thought of.

Meanwhile, I turn to another portion of the screen to catch up on the news. The usual same old same old good news all around. Then I spot an unusual story about some new developments concerning the ancient earth grid researchers had uncovered. Since it had initially been discovered, experts in various fields had been trying to understand how it worked and its purpose. Seems they were onto something about extra-dimensional structures that were facilitating its function. These structures, which could not be seen by the naked eye, were overlayed on the earth's energy nodes. I am shocked to learn, as most of the researchers are, that there are hundreds of them on an unseen dimension parallel to our 3D world and that they are partly responsible for the explosion in human evolution and thought in the last twenty years.

I read on, mentally commanding the screen to scroll along.

The field produced by these structures and the ancient sites on the 3D earth are interconnected and are augmenting Mother Earth's natural aura. Between earth and the sun there is an interconnected series of energy vortexes very much like the seven chakras of the human body. Or rather, the chakra system of Gaia and the chakras of Sol were now understood to be in an intricate sort of dynamic balance. This much was already known. And more, each planet had this same sort of relationship with the sun. Together, the entire realm of the solar system was an interplay of forces that produced a protective shield around our local neighborhood. That is new, I thought. And it is now determined that the entire solar system has a interdependant but coherent field that resembled the chakras of our own bodies.

But there was a disturbance in the field, an extrasolar interloper was entering the system and altering the field by their very presence!

For more than a year now, no more alien beings had been found on planet earth. And while I had some small part in that, other intrepid souls had done the same work throughout the solar system - ridding our entire neighborhood of all non-intrinsic life forms. The Sol system had been cleansed and claimed by humanity as their own. There had been so many aliens on virtually every world, major and minor! Whenever I thought about it I was still amazed how we could have overlooked them for so many millenia. I know that there are researchers all across the solar system uncovering the artifacts that they were forced to leave behind. It was an accepted rule that such alien technology was not to be used - only catalogued and either cordoned off or removed and destroyed. Some of those technologies were purposely booby-trapped for nefarious purposes and so all had agreed that none of it was to be used for any reason. And none of this was for zenophobic reasons but simply because in most cases they were incompatible with humans and could cause great harm in the collective. We decided that we did not need them anyway. Our own creative minds were advancing us in leaps and bounds.

I send another command to the screen and now I watch in real time as this "craft" hurtles inward. With yet another thought a series of more intricate details overlay the view. The maud calculates the trajectory for me and I can see that on its present course it will arrive at earth within two days!

Shifting my gaze to yet another portion of the giant screen I see there are a number of propositions on how to respond to this unprecedented news. I first scan down the list of comments by various people. Some are now commenting on how maybe we were wrong in not developing some sort of interstellar defense against just such an intrusion into our space. Others think we could afford to prepare a regal welcome. A few recommend the immediate use of deadly force by combining our auric energies worldwide. That one I vote out right away.

Ariel chimes in on my private channel to see if I am watching and to look for her post. With a single thought the maud sorts through the millions of posts and finds hers. She is advocating an intermediate response. "Let them come", she says. "Let's see what their intentions are. We can always intervene later if needs be." Ariel's reputation carries a lot of weight due to her work not only on earth but all over the solar system. I vote for her suggestion and we carry the day. It is decided.

We will wait and see.

With that done I go back to work on my project. I glance over the new model the maud has just completed. I like it and call for a holographic display to be projected in front of me. I turn the model of the device this way and that. I make a few real-time adjustments and the maud updates the display. Satisfied I send a request to the nearest factory for a mock-up prototype. The estimated time for completion is one hour.

Just enough time to have a bite to eat.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah, you are serializing it, Ernie. Keep it up. I will expect the next installment soon. :)

[TelosianEmbrace]

With free energy the possibilities are endless. I saved reading through all of this thread when I could really sit down and enjoy it. Wade understands that it's not so much implementing the FE technology as the visualisation, the desire, the talking about free energy that gets us somewhere. I have found this. Reality is very fluid, conforming to our thoughts and desires. It is only after that they manifest on the material plane. A few notes-
*I am intuiting that Ernie wants to get it on with Ariel in his 'Anti Gravity Affection Enhancer';)
* I like Ilie's quote "..The loneliness and empty eyes you meet in a crowded space.."
*Marcilia "Plants and stones will speak to us again.."
*JCocks on operations, "If we were meant to be operated on we would have been born with zippers.."
*I adore Onawah and others' ideas of floating dwellings, going where and wherever you wish, freeing up the surface. I would love to wake up in my little bubble at the bottom of the Marianas trench, and watching all the strange fishies swimming by.
One thing I don't think has yet been mentioned is longevity. With the demise of the Sickness industry, the cleaning up of pollution and the return to health and happiness, many of us will find that we will be able to live a whole lot longer, perhaps centuries or thousands of years, or however long we wish to remain in physicality.
Imagine food without impurities/poisons/GM. The succulent fruits, the simple act of eating will be orgasmic;)
The concepts of how to nurture the children and leave them to experience without being told off reminds me of Anastasia's childhood as related in the 'Ringing Cedars' series. Yet, this seems diametrically opposed to the way those of Telos raise their children, in an extended family. In Telos they have multiple sets of 'God Parents'.
There's seriously too much to cover here. I'll sit back and take a breath.

[Wade Frazier]

Thanks TelosianEmbrace for lending your awareness to this. Yes, once we eat live food as our staple, you are going to see healthier people, and longer lived. The male-based warfare model of “medicine” will disappear:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#paradigm1

Thanks for keeping this in your mind and heart. The more the better.

Best,

Wade

[TelosianEmbrace]

I would like to now answer the opposite of the question posed, because it will be so much easier.;) What etc. won't be made obsolete by free energy? In the short term, there are a few constants, though in the longer term perhaps these will also change significantly, or become redundant. We will still breathe, eat, drink, do number ones and twos, make whoopee, become parents, walk, watch, listen, smell, touch, talk, sing and dance.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello TelosianEmbrace,

Of course those we will still do those things... but ask yourself... how will we do it :)?

Yes we are breathing now... but in the major cities the air is polluted and you feel your lungs shutting down if you try to have a deep breath. On the mountain side... a totally different story :) You just can't get enough deep breaths.

Same goes for the food we eat and the water we drink. I remember as a child if a water was clear, it was safe to drink :biggrin: and it had a marvelous taste, it was alive! Tap water is a poor substitution for that. Just getting clear, pure and "alive water" (water from mountain springs) will have a major impact on our health for the better. And of course FE can easily do that.

Becoming parents... although I don't have any children I imagine often how I would raise some :). And I'd very much like to do it in a FE society. Today's world is just preparing kids to be a cog in the system and that is very sad. In an abundant society I imagine parenting will be very very different! For one you would finally be able to give your child the attention it deserves and then let them explore the inner and outer world with no pressure to succeed... or to make you proud and so on.

Walking would be a favorite activity of mine in an abundant world. It already is now, and I imagine it could only get much better with clean air, and like minded people free of "the fear of survival" or "the next pay day".

Listen, smell, touch, talk, sing and dance. Yes we will continue to do those activities, no doubt about that, but they will have a new creative and sensitive side. Mostly because these artistic endeavors will not longer be subordinated to profit. And also we will be more relaxed and capable of enjoying life once scarcity will be an idea of the past :).

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I don’t want to keep saying, “Amen!” to all of your posts, but when I see posts like that, I can envision the day that I retire from trying to get people to imagine abundance. My job will be finished. I will still write and such, but once enough of us can simply imagine a world of abundance, especially in comprehensive fashion, then I think that we are going to help make it happen. Then the fun will truly begin.

Best,

Wade

[TelosianEmbrace]

Wade, I am wondering about imagining in a comprehensive fashion a world of abundance, because once we have FE we will be able to visit the stars in our spaceships, and meet other beings. Each will be living a different vision of a FE society. Perhaps it's important to maintain a sense of fluidity in order to encompass the multiple physical manifestations of a FE society as pertains to differing societal/environmental circumstances. Now, if anyone can understand what I've just written, perhaps they can give me the short version.:o

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

TelosianEmbrace, why not focus on imagining what it will be like right here? After all we are ETs with our own vision of our Home we call Earth :) Even tiny details like lack of wallets or no need to charge/replace batteries is part of that vision...

Sorry for being so trivial and down to earth :p

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

For somebody who has been living with the idea of FE since 1986, and took a few runs at making it happen, I happily admit that the human imagination at this time can only glimpse a small sliver of what a world based on FE will look like. And that is fine. There will be plenty of room for delightful surprise. Yes, one of the outcomes will likely be star travel, but it is apparently joined at the hip with other dynamics in interesting ways. We will not be allowed to “join the Federation” until we relinquish our warlike ways. That warlike nature is also, at its root, a big reason why we do not have FE today, because war reflects not only a resource lack, but a lack of integrity. Wars are always built on lies (lying also becomes obsolete in an FE society :) ). That is one of the reasons why I say that Young Warriors are a danger to any FE effort, because their delusions can be fatal to the operation, as Godzilla expertly and joyously exploits that weakness:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

Young Warrior delusions of seeking an “enemy” to fight will also become obsolete in an FE-based world.

When I speak of a comprehensive perspective, I by no means am referring to all the aspects of what an FE-based society will look like. I am referring to Fuller’s conception of having a comprehensive vision:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

A comprehensive vision is needed to keep from disappearing down all the rabbit holes that await, and there are some deep ones:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls

but if we walk that razor’s edge:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#stage1

I think we can get there.

Once people begin to develop comprehensive perspectives, they realize that energy runs the show on Earth and always has:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

They understand the ways that energy scarcity has shaped our societies, our ideologies, and so forth. They also have an inkling of what FE can do to transform those things. For me, the FE journey would be one of constant discovery, and delightful discovery. I would not mind taking a little time to visit my galactic neighbors. I admit a bias in that I am hoping that FE catalyzes the human journey toward this future world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

or at least for all the people who want to go there. For those who want to keep playing “kill-or-be-killed” and “I win, you lose,” then my understanding is that they can go there, too. That is definitely part of the struggle that is happening today. Ernie wrote on another thread that we do not seem to be able to simply imagine abundance. He is right, in that that has been our history, with our ancient indoctrination into scarcity. But, this thread is an example of imagining abundance. This activity is so scarce that it is the first time that I have seen it happen like this. I only hope that such imaginings become more abundant in time. :)

I have a little more writing to do this morning, so signing off for now. I will try my best to keep to the purpose of this thread and think of something else that will be made obsolete with FE and abundance. Let me think here….. OK, how about light pollution? Paradoxically, we think that the light pollution on Earth is due to abundant energy, but if we had FE, urban societies would decline, and lit urban environments would largely become obsolete. I sure would like to see the Milky Way from my home.

Best,

Wade

[Seikou-Kishi]

Wade, I am wondering about imagining in a comprehensive fashion a world of abundance, because once we have FE we will be able to visit the stars in our spaceships, and meet other beings. Each will be living a different vision of a FE society. Perhaps it's important to maintain a sense of fluidity in order to encompass the multiple physical manifestations of a FE society as pertains to differing societal/environmental circumstances. Now, if anyone can understand what I've just written, perhaps they can give me the short version.:o

Actually that is a much better question. This thread is supposed to be about optimism, but when we ask what will become obsolete, we have to focus on the bad things we are leaving behind. Asking what will remain and what new things we will bring in with the advent of free energy is to focus on the positive.

[Ilie Pandia]

Perhaps now is the time to explain the choice of the title a bit.

I am fully aware is a "negative question" and I hope that we can end each post with a positive twist :).

When I've created the thread I was noticing something that Wade talked about on his web side. Most of the humans have a deep, unconscious attachment to scarcity. (Just a small example: "I know is bad, but this 'bad' I know and I won't risk a change... not even for Free Energy! <- this thought is rarely expressed at the conscious level)

So I've chose to word the title like I did, to try and bring that up to the surface!

Another different example of what I mean: a "well to do" Wall Street trader will become obsolete in a FE society. A rich family, that enjoys the power and status that money brings will be gone in an abundant society. In fact if we look deep enough inside, almost any of us stands to lose something with the installment of Free Energy. This is a root problem, that we are not aware of.

Throughout this thread some of this unconscious fears have been expressed, and much better alternatives have been offered, because whatever we stand to "lose" now, what we stand to "gain" in a Free Energy world would be much much better. Only in comfort and life style we would dwarf the richest people of today. Of course Free Energy is not only about comfort.

So while this thread asks a negative questions, the challenge is to follow the answer through and get to a positive out come. Also the challenge is to observe how energy runs every aspect of our lives.

[Ilie Pandia]

For the last few days I've been helping with insulating a house. Thermal insulation (definitely an energy issue).

It was hard work for me. I usually call "work" typing tons of characters at a keyboard while sitting on a comfortable chair :biggrin:

Anyway, it was good work, in a much cleaner air at the country side. Thinking back at these last days, I can see scarcity creeping in every aspect of the work.

The men had to be extra careful not to break anything because we had no spares, some compromises were made to quality in order to lower the costs, and the light heartiness that we had in the morning was quickly wearing out.

So how would this look like in a Free Energy world?

Firstly, if the house design would prove to be faulty, it would be demolished and returned to the "element banks" for much better use of its component elements.

Next, a new structure would be erected, following the highest and latest standards in quality and design. Everybody working on the project would do so because there is nothing they would enjoy more than getting together on such a project, connecting with each other and building something they know will be very proud of!

If mistakes happen during the work nobody gets upset. They know it was a honest mistake and that everyone puts their best effort forward, because they like being here. So they learn from the experience and rebuild the broken part. If one member of the team has a new idea he wants to try out, if it fits with the original design he can safely try it. If it works, it will be incorporated in the future templates for similar work. If it does not, no problem, again some valuable lessons have been learned.

At the end of the project every is tired, but joyous, with a satisfying feeling of a "job well done!". They've had a marvelous experience, they got to know their friends better, they got to know themselves better and they are very happy with the result: a free energy powered house.

Of course that Free Energy tools were used. These tools are clean, mostly noiseless, environment friendly and self packing :p.

[araucaria]

Not a direct upshot of free energy maybe, but definitely a 'side effect' of the free energy revolution: one step I would hope to see is the deprofessionalization of many interpersonal jobs, such as psychologist, social worker, all kinds of counsellors, etc.

These tasks would not disappear, they would just slip into the background social setup.

In a similar vein, we would seen no more ghettoization of various groups (the elderly, the light-fingered, the sick...)

(Just adding fuel to this thread)

[Seikou-Kishi]

Maybe we all do stand to lose some things with the advent of free energy, but we all stand to gain so much more — I'm sure everybody on this thread agrees. I would happily lose everything for free energy.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Seikou-Kishi:

First, I became aware of this thread today that you began (I did not become aware of it through Avalon):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30887-Discussing-Wade-Frazier--with-Wade-himself--

and will respond soon. But, in brief, that story of mine is a story, not the story. Nobody on Earth really knows the story. Creation is way too big for our puny Earthly brains to comprehend anything but tiny slivers of it. We see through the glass very darkly here.

To your earlier comment that Ilie also responded to…

There are quite a few positive visions on this thread and mine:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=299976&viewfull=1#post299976

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=315176&viewfull=1#post315176

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=312884&viewfull=1#post312884

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy&p=317223&viewfull=1#post317223

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=97564&viewfull=1#post97564

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=114629&viewfull=1#post114629

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=180815&viewfull=1#post180815

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=292702&viewfull=1#post292702

And yes, leaving behind the “bad stuff” is part of the exercise that Ilie initiated here, but it is also bigger than that. Many of the things that are being brought up to leave behind are assumed to be part of “human nature” in many circles. Not so long ago, slavery was considered to be part of human nature, even divinely decreed. In societies that are industrializing, the vestiges of ancient exploitative ideologies that justify economic hierarchies, such as India’s caste system, are easily seen. In India, they are kind of trying to ignore the caste system in public discourse, kind of like how the USA tries to ignore racism in public discourse. It is not that they have completely disappeared, not by any means, but they can no longer be openly bandied about to justify exploitation. That is an improvement, for sure, but for me, what is nice about those changes is that ideologies like castes, racism, sexism and other “isms” are being discarded as being part of “human nature” and are being seen as aspects of the human condition that disappear when economic fortunes change for the better, and it is always rooted in energy consumption. :)

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

To your observation, I am all for creating a thread that is just for positive visions, at least largely positive. Ernie’s posts in rooting out the negative energies here with love I consider to be positive, although others may dispute that. Love could turn those energy predators into contented grazers, I think, but it would have to be some awfully advanced being to pull that off, at a Christ-like level. In the positive world that Roads visited:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I think that negative beings cannot even get near the place. The vibe literally makes them sick. I have seen that kind of speculation in various mystical writings over the years, and have written about it myself:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#love

So, does anybody want to start a positive visions thread, or shall I?

Best,

Wade

Hi Ilie:

You are doing the work. The thinking that you were doing while working on that house is exactly the type of sentience that I am trying to encourage here. And I have good news. I believe that in the above-top-secret world they probably already have stuff like it, and the visiting ETs definitely do: most construction work like building a home will not involve any grunt work from people. Most of it is automated, and moving part technology, for instance, is pretty much obsolete at those levels. Of course, it can be hard to imagine such technology, but I once watched, many years ago, some UFO-ologists talking about what the problems that many people have of understanding the alien technology that has been witnessed. They said to imagine that a modern jet fighter plane landed on the White House lawn…..in 1865. Aluminum had not been commercially produced yet, plastics did not exist yet. Heck, man-powered flight would not have existed yet, nor would electronics. The pilot in his flight suit would have looked like an extra-terrestrial! :) Almost everything about the plane would have been virtually incomprehensible to the people of the day, and that is less than 150 years ago. Imagine an ET species that developed in an entirely different technological direction, with a “mere” few million year head start on us. Arthur C. Clarke said that any sufficiently advanced technology will look like magic to the people familiar with the less developed technology. And, of course, the science of consciousness is the greatest science of all, and today’s science has barely scratched the surface, and its White Science (the Black scientists know better) currently labors under the fatal delusion that consciousness is nothing more than a byproduct of chemistry. It is so easy to demonstrate how false that assumption is:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#brown

But materialism is a religion in our Young-Soul-dominated world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

so White Science sails down the blind alleys that it does, and the more materialistic of them may end up in this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

such are the hazards of the materialistic and paradoxically, egocentric, perspective.

Hi araucaria:

Yes, most of those helping professions would no longer be needed as such. The professionalization of helping each other has some big downsides. It would indeed be one of the “side effects” of FE. But, the social transformations are probably the biggest ones that humanity will experience. Our relationship Earth, our fellow creatures and our higher selves can be radically changed under an FE-based world, but the change in how humans interact with each other may be the biggest change of all, as far as our daily lives go. Such social transformations are probably not as much of a “side effect” as you think.

Best,

Wade

[Ernie Nemeth]

In an abundance based society thinking itself will become mostly defunct. We value our ability to "rationalize" but in fact we are only regurgitating another's viewpoint, rarely bothering to develop our own. Heart centered action will replace thinking because it is far more reliable, fluid and creative.
You think you think therefore you are. Really you feel, therefore you are. You connect, therefore you are.
You just are.
Thinking freezes reality and forces it to fit a mold - a model.
But the most fundamental aspect of reality is change - a system. You can model a system. You cannot system a model.
Reality abhors a vacuum.

[Ernie Nemeth]

And let me tell you what will change.
We will not be dragged down to the least common denominator to appease those lacking the ability to create outside the box.
We will be free to explore the impossible.
We will not be held back. We will not be held down. We will not accept falsehood, lies, deception and small mindedness.
There will be no concepts , only the one true context. And in that context we will flourish like we cannot imagine today.
And our dreams? They will be the precursor to the reality of the future. In our dreams we will travel the landscapes of uncharted realms, map them meet the inhabitants and exchange/uphold realities.
All this and more await when the paradigm of scarcity is replaced with our true nature of abundance. There are no limits but what you place before yourself.
This is the true nature of the universe.

[araucaria]

Thanks Wade, actually I agree with your post more than with my own!

I started to 'wade' through your great material a while back, but pressure of work has kept me off it :o - I'll be back

Ernie - Yes! creativity as free energy, go for it!

[Wade Frazier]

Aye, Ernie:

Amen to those abundance posts. Another way of saying it, I think ( :) ), is that thinking will be a whole-brain exercise, with left and right united, and led by the heart.

Hi araucaria:

Happy reading,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

So, does anybody want to start a positive visions thread, or shall I?


If any one will start a positive visions thread, or positive effects and side effects of Free Energy, please post a link here.

I still want to continue for a while longer to try and bring some light into some dark corners were scarcity may hide. I feel there is still more cleaning up to do before going "positive only" :biggrin:

[Ernie Nemeth]

Finally understood loud and clear.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Two days later:

I still cannot believe what I have just discovered. How can this be? This little piece of technology that I was going to use as a sort of ice breaker at parties is now revising everything I understand about reality.

It has been quite a ride from that faithful day when I first went and picked up my Free Energy box, the zero-point field generator. There was no way to know then that it would lead to this place, this knowing. Yet I must marvel at what it did accomplish in a mere two decades. First it freed me from my drudgery of dragging my tools on my back to earn a few measly dollars only to pay the bills and allow my body to survive another month. With that box and a bit of ingenuity and I was free to live as I choose. Some scraps from the junkyard, a few discarded motors, a couple of sheets of steel, some old plastic tubing, some seeds, some dirt and I was mobile and self-sufficient like never before!

And with the release of the anti-grav unit three years later I became free to go anywhere on the face of the earth that I pleased. Sure, there were setbacks and obstacles to overcome because of the old system still trying to intimidate and hold us enslaved to their crumbling authority but they were, for the most part, easily circumvented. It was just a matter of knowing how to claim our sovereignty; a few letters, a few days in jail, and a couple of home-made licenses solved most of those problems. I took a few beatings in stride and leveled my own threats against more concerted efforts - ZPF technology is easily converted to massively damaging energy weapons with very little effort. And that was that, I and most of humanity were left to our own devices.

And once the connection was made between the ZPF and consciousness, well, that turned everything on its ear. Soon the most intrepid amongst us were bilocating, flying, and manifesting as easily as passing gas! Most of us learned at least one of these advanced skills. Some were better at it than others. Some turned it to new directions like lucid dream construction, body alteration, mind enhancement, mental space exploration and astral travel. These were still areas of great interest to most.

But this revelation changed everthing. I still could not understand it completely - but there it was. After Ariel and I emerged from the anti-grav affection enhancer last night she had an idea. So she took my little device and turned it on. She concentrated and, while allowing me to follow her thoughts, she transformed her being and disappeared. She asked me to do likewise but I was hesitant. I asked her to come back but she was reluctant. We said our goodbyes then, she promised to keep in touch and I promised to find her when I was ready.

I looked up at my display screen but I did not have to. I could feel the thoughts of my people. They were already congregating at the designated spot. The display showed the alien craft entering the atmosphere. I tidied up a bit, put things in order and strolled out of my pretty blue saphire domicile. I already knew I would not be coming back. All I carried with me was this new invention of mine. And I knew that it would be the last piece of technology I would ever use.

There was a bit of a line up at the transporter; everyone wanted to be present for what was to unfold this day. Soon it was my turn and I willed myself to my location: Egypt.

Since billions of us were travelling to the same spot I decided to avoid the crush of the main crowd and appeared some fifty miles out in the desert. Clutching my device I flew into the air. I flew up to a few hundred feet and hovored there, leisurely waiting while floating on my back. I did not have long to wait...

There were hundreds of us even here, seems like I was not the only one who wanted to avoid the crowds. And even from this distance it was not hard to make out the craft as it slowly descended from the heavens. Although the aliens inside the craft were obviously benevolent their thought patterns were odd and a bit disconcerting nonetheless. They were sending out a repeating message telepathically; prepare ye people of earth, you're time of ascension is at hand. To me, their message was not what it seemed. I already knew where I was going. And it wasn't where they intended, that was for sure. But I knew most were not of the same opinion. We had been over this thoroughly in the past forty-eight hours.

And now I understood why I was a straggler here with these few hundred around me - they had chosen similarly. We would go our own way together. I sent out a feeling of gratitude, which was received by all around me and reciprocated. We sent each other well wishes and fortitude and strength - it would not be easy to leave so many of our race. Especially as we were going to an unknown destination where no exprience any of us had yet garnered would help us. It would be fully, completely, utterly, a new world. But our guides, at least the highest of them, were from that realm and they assured us that it would be glorious beyond description. That was enough.

Meanwhile, the craft descended over the Giza plateau and came to a stop above the Great Pyramid. There it hovered. We could not see with our human eyes ourselves but those closest to the site were transmitting what they saw via the third eye, the inward eye. And it was as had been prophesized millenia ago. The craft was not large by alien standards, in fact it had the same circumference as the length of the base of the Great Pyramid itself, not at all a coincidence, as we all knew. Many were now preparing for the coming event, we could feel them doing so.

I held my device out in front of me and turned it on. Since I did not have the talent that Ariel possessed I would have to rely on focussing the energies that were about to be relayed from the merging of the alien craft and the pyramid. I felt those around me turning their undivided attention onto my device with me and we became as one in our efforts. The device started to glow. It pulsed with power and ascended the spectrum of light while it grew in power. First red, the tribal power, then orange, the power of emotion, to yellow, the power of self. Then green, the vibration of love.

The craft descended as we watched in our mind's eye. The device kept cycling higher to blue, the power of symbols, then purple, the power of thought. The craft landed on top of the pyramid. The Great Pyramid immediately rumbled to life and a beam of light shot out with a tremendous burst of coruscating fire. The bean travelled around the planet, activating each of the ancient sites on the main ley lines of the planet.

Gaia Herself shook noticably and some of our number gave over to fear. Most calmed as we sent thoughts of reassurance. Some changed their minds and left to join the main group. We sent our blessings.

By now the device in my hand was pulsing with a pink/indigo light so bright that our eyes were burned beyond repair. But where we were going such things were of no consequence. And as the device cycled to full power a brilliant white light exploded from it, the very power of the Divine within each of us.

The Great Pyramid and the craft began flashing, shimmering before becoming virtually opulescent. And our people, the many that were aligning themselves with this power began to transform. They grew and became crystalline in nature before they too began to shimmer. Soon they began to fade from view, but not from our awareness.

We said our goodbyes then, and wished them well. And then they were gone.

I told my fellow travellers to get ready and willed the process to commence. Before the scene in our minds could no longer report of the happenings in the 3D world I saw a criss-crossing pattern of golden light overhead. And as the scene changed I saw where the rest of our race were arriving in the 4th, then fifth dimensions. I saw there were indeed ancient structures here as well and that they were also activated and pulsing with light. We were glad for our race, they would happily explore this realm with bodies far more advanced and far less corruptible. We felt their excitement at the avenues of possiblities opening before them and their optimism rising in a crescendo of accomplishment.

But us few continued, higher and higher and higher until there were no words, no thoughts, no concepts, just pure unadulterated experience of being.

We were home at last.


Peace everybody! Let hope flow eternal and may all suffering finally come to an end for all time! This I pray for all of our race and all the races of the cosmos!
Bless each and every one with the light of The Most High God.
Love,
Ernie

P.S. I will peep in from time to time but I will for the most part stay in the shadows.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

This is definitely not an either/or exercise. The “what will become obsolete” thread can very happily co-exist with the “positive visions” thread with the “FE physics” thread, with my thread, which spawned all of them. My work contains all of those themes, and one of the primary themes of my work is “We call the darkness the light.” There is room for that, and much more. They will complement each other, and bring a little organization to the exercise. My work is multi-disciplinary, and there should be, IMO, threads on positive visions, on what will become obsolete, on FE physics, on love, on what is the light, and so on. I have some pretty big plans for this stuff, plans that others may well carry to completion. I have not really even begun the conversation that I want to have yet. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I want to read more of Ernie’s visions. We have put enough positive visions in Avalon to make a pretty good beginning of inspiring visions. But this thread is also extremely vital, for reasons that I have already discussed. The things that will go away that are accepted as “normal” today, and even a part of “human nature,” need to be pointed out, so more people can see the assumptions that a scarcity-based civilization makes invisible. This thread is partly intended to make them visible.

This is a vitally important thread, and so will be the visions thread. Ernie, I will expect a little Christmas gift from you to that visions thread. :)

Love and peace,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

I got some more concepts that will become obsolete:

Weekends and vacations:biggrin:! Now don't give up on free energy just yet!

The reason we have weekends and vacations is to "replenish our batteries" right? to get a break from all of the hard work. To give away that paper we work for. To have a motivation to work harder so we get to have a more luxuriant vacation next year. Weekends and vacations are scarcity based concepts. We don't need them in an abundant society. What would be the meaning of a weekend or a vacation when you love every minute of your life and you are not forced to do something that you don't want to do.

Another concept that I imagine will go away are "secrets". Secrets eat away the trust between people and usually bring out the worst. In a Free Energy society, those that hold secret knowledge, or secret tech, will soon realize that they are wasting their time protecting that, because no one will be interested in them. And most likely public knowledge and technology will soon dwarf their precious secrets :)

I also think that privacy will disappear. Or to be more precise the need for privacy will be gone. It will be replaced with a deep respect for one self and the other beings.

[Wade Frazier]

Well, here is a risky subject. With FE, human sexual relations will change dramatically, with many aspects of them becoming obsolete, while others will flourish as never before. I have seen it dramatically change in my lifetime. My father’s parents grew up on homesteads in Kansas. Marriage back then was largely about breeding farmhands, and the family was an economic unit. Sex before marriage was scandalous back then. It was not really about “morality,” but the taboos were built around economic reality (although rarely admitted as such, as usual). My wife was originally my landlord, and how we met was larger than life, once again. We lived together for two years before getting married (and I am the one who insisted on it, not my wife), and my grandparents would not acknowledge her existence until we were married. They could never shake their agrarian economy conditioning. Having big nuclear families to work the land is not “human nature,” but “the peasant’s road to wealth.”

There are selfish gene theories and other attempts to explain human sexuality, and there are surely biological aspects of it, but, economic scarcity has dominated human relations, and in the area of sex and families in particular.

There is a great deal of mystical material on the issue, and channelings allegedly from other galactic civilizations (Lyssa Royal’s Future Sex, for instance). In some other humanoid civilizations, they have conscious control over conception. Human behaviors such as voyeurism, sexual jealousy, rape and nuclear families can be difficult to even conceptualize in other civilizations.

Seth once said that the so-called “sexual liberation” of the 1960s and 1970s, while on its surface, seemed to be a lesson in freedom, it really was not. All human expression got shoehorned into sexuality, and became more inhibited, not freer. Seth said that children would not feel pressure to have sex at such early ages if humanity’s collective neurosis did not over-emphasize it like it has. If we turn the corner and make it into an FE civilization, human sexuality will likely change dramatically. It will become freer, less baggage and expectation will attend it, we may see biologically androgynous humans, and other aspects that are difficult to imagine today.

Plenty of mystical material says that human sexuality is a great karmic vehicle. Maybe so, but a world based on FE will be far less divisive, without huge karmic debts being incurred. So, sexuality will not be as “needed” as it has been, for creating huge karmic burdens.

As I have stated before, humanity’s social relations will change in an FE-based civilization, maybe more dramatically than any other area, at least for humans. Sexuality and the social issues around it will be one of those areas, perhaps more than any other.

This is a difficult issue to approach, but it is where a great deal of the change will happen, and in ways that we can probably barely imagine.

Best,

Wade