Rather a good dictator instead of a bogus democracy?

[Syl]

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Found this interesting towards my opinion concercing Ghadaffi.

[Orion.V]

In the past when my country was a member in the yugoslavian federation we had such dictator. I remember life was good, there was no stress, things were in motion, nearly everyone had a job, many things were nearly free, everyobdy had enough, there was no rich or poor people as a large group.... Now its only a memory and nostalgia.....

[ktlight]

Thanks for bringing this, Syl. If the White Dragons hurry, Ghadaffi could be reinstated.

[Syl]

What exactly do you mean by the white dragons?

[Maia Gabrial]

The only things I ever heard about Qhadaffi were negative things. This video shows a man who did alot to bring many kinds of benefits to all Libyans. Not a self-serving "terrorist" as we're led to believe. He seems more like an example that the rest of the world could have emulated. Not mocked to the world. But then we understand who owns and runs all the medias....
IMO those rebels were not Libyans for Libya, but CIA/Mossad flunkies causing trouble and mayhem there....just like everywhere else they've been. Those whom they represent couldn't leave well enough alone. From what I know, which isn't that much, the attacks on Libya had to do with gold for oil instead of US dollars. As I see it, their oil, their rules. But TPTW don't see it like that. To them it's destroy the country and its sovereignty; and take it anyway....
So foul....

[Muzz]

Thankyou Syl, good vid.

[ktlight]

What exactly do you mean by the white dragons?

In this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29341-Secret-Meeting-of-57-Finance-Ministers-And-VIP...

[Marsila]

Orion. V, Tito was a man like no other!

other than that, before my parents fortunes went up and down so many times i went to a few of them snotty boarding schools, and what kept catching my attention about the Libyans that went there, is none of them were rich. They were 100 times beyond rich, and like all spoilt brats they were mostly snotty people, but all of them loved their 'dictator' because he allowed them to be that way.

what i find funny now is a few of these people (i still remember there family names) specially the ones who carry European citizenships, are vocal about how they want to "Get rid of that awful dictator so they can be free..." (free to do what at that level of wealth is the question?)

so yes the man had his faults (and they were many,) but those foreign powers there, they want to remove the Libyans from the frying pan, and dump them in the fire.

I think TPTB lost Egypt and Tunisia so they want to compensate for themselves by taking over Libya.

[Lord Sidious]

In the past when my country was a member in the yugoslavian federation we had such dictator. I remember life was good, there was no stress, things were in motion, nearly everyone had a job, many things were nearly free, everyobdy had enough, there was no rich or poor people as a large group.... Now its only a memory and nostalgia.....

I am told it wasn't so good in Croatia.
My friend's parents fled because of the army and when I mention communists, which I have been known to do :o, her mother let's me know she is no fan of em either.
There were rich people, just like in the ussr, but they were the rulers and you couldn't see their wealth, it was concealed.

[syrwong]

A dictator is a ruler who has real power and in control, because he fought and gained the respect.

A democracy is 2 or more puppets taking turns to rule, with a hidden dictator behind them.

The definitions need not be true, but is the way the world is being governed now.

How intersting is the fact that if the people can have only one ruler, it is dictatorship; but if the people can only choose between two rulers, it is the so precious democracy!

[Cidersomerset]

The problem as I see it is we are still not educated on mass for individule thinking within the collective ,( bleaden hell I sound like the Borg).....What I mean in theory democracy has to be the best form of government as long as everyones vote counts....( untill the time comes when we are enlightened enough not to need governing, just collective councill )
I don't know what point we or who should step in and ban dictators or monarchies ?? It would have been nice if there was a enlightened body who stepped in before ww1 and made all the emporers step down in a bloodless revolution, or failing that stepped in and got rid of Franco ,Tojo, Stalin. Mau ,Hitler, Mussillini before WW2 or all the tin pot leaders up to today including many warmongers hiding behind the veil of democracy..

I don't know what the answer is without spilling more blood....We are so controlled on mass there is little we can do other than wake people up to the fact TPTB have always ruled by divide and conquer and manipulate all sides making big proffits and possibly as David Icke points out somehow vampires off the energy of fearfull and dieing humans ( speculation )...
The whole middle east has been manipulated for years and I see no reason why this spring/summer is any different if not triggered certainly being exploited..

Every man woman and child should be 'free'... housed and fed descently in return to contributing to a free society , we are are along way from that but that should be our goal !!

Going back to Gaddaffi or any leader whether he/she was benevolent or not especially when all the best jobs go to family and tribal members should step down after two terms say 8 or 10 yrs
I t does not answer the immediate problems I know, I fear enlightenment is still away off and more bloodshed is in the offing ..I hope I'm wrong Steve...

[Lord Sidious]

For me, if a ''good'' guy rolls up and is capable, why would I elect someone else?
I view elections like I view a ship with a damaged rudder, for four or whatever years, the ship steers one way, then the next period, the other.
So, instead of bearing a straight course, you zig zag all over the place.
And, to make it worse, the captain is taking course orders from someone not on the ship.

[Unified Serenity]

That's a very interesting video. I don't know any Lybians now so it would be near impossible to know if this is all true or just some propaganda. Many dictators provide for their supporters, but withhold food and other necessities to those who do not serve them. This tactic has been used in Africa for years with regard to food. You get food if you join their military. You get nothing if you do not. We in America send billions in food aid to Africa only to have them divert money they would spend on food to their military.

I'd love to believe this video, but I have my doubts. Animal farm just comes to mind.

[Richie_asg1]

I thought it a little strange when the TV interviews were asking officials about where was being bombed. They said Ghadaffi headquarters in the East- but the picture showed the North west coast. As I looked to see what was on that north west coast - it was a major oil terminal. As I looked deeper, Ghadaffi's son owns most of the oil tankers, but has been prevented from exporting oil due to sanctions. Sanctions imposed by the US for not supplying them with oil at their prices.
Then the anti-ghadaffi 'rebels' were supplied with a massive ammount of arms and training. In one TV boroadcast - it was a truck with american made air to ground missile pod from a helicopter gunship bolted on the top. Don't tell me these 'rebels' made one of them in the back yard!

So - Ghadaffi says "No" to uncle sam, He is not allowed to export oil anymore, anyone opposing him is funded and organised and all the worlds media says he's a bad man. This is what the CIA are good at - destabilising governments, enough to cause problems - then they move their own people in who are pro-US, and very soon the oil contracts get awarded to US drilling companies.
Have a look in the industrial newsheets in the next two weeks as the oil companies can't keep their mouths shut - and crow about what new deal they've secured.
August 22nd - BP just sinks biggest investment into Libya - share price jumps up 51% - http://www.trefis.com/stock/bp/articles/71513/bps-eager-for-a-stable-libya-given-large-exploration-deal/2011-08-22
August 29th, Italian Oil giant ENI signs it's own deal with the National Transitional Council (NTC) to restart oil production and pipeline laying in Libya.
September 1st - 35% of crude from Libya assigned to France - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-01/middle-east/29953280_1_oil-reserves-oil-production-libyan-oil-fields

They're carving up the cake !