View Full Version : Let Me Tell You The Story Of A Lost Soul, And Betrayal...
Fred Steeves
5th September 2011, 21:41
Mike has been our next door neighbor, and "friend", for 14 years, along with his wife and two kids, who are now 18 and 20 years old. We moved into the neighborhood on the same day back in '97. They were special guests at me and Heidi's wedding a year later, and over the years Mike and I have gone back and forth between being blood brothers, and bitter enemies.
Part of my awakening process in late '09 was a brief, but very intense dark night of the soul period. During the time I was kicked out of the house, I decided it was time to quit cold turkey my years long heavy pain pill habit. I sat alone for a week and a half, no sleep, in the dark, feeling buried alive by the world, and rode it out. I wouldn't wish that experience on the worst person in the world.
Anyway, things worked out, I went home, and then came December of 2010, right about the time I signed up here. Mike's life was spiraling into oblivion, along with his family's, because of his terrible pain pill habit. Through many tears with him one day at his breaking point, we offered him the use off our weekend trailer where I had done the detox gig 2 years earlier, and he accepted. I drove an hour each way for a week to see him through it, and then he came home ready to start anew.
Since last January we have held that family's head above water, paying for food, gas, electric, water, tool rentals for his work, bailed him out of jail for past sins, gone to court dates with him, not to mention playing amateur marriage counsellor.
Then a couple weeks ago, we noticed the money missing...And not for the first time...
We have been pulling a bit out of the bank here and there for emergencies, and also because of the world economic outlook. First there was the $ 1,000 missing that we thought we must have somehow misplaced, then 2 weeks ago, the $ 1,500 we KNOW we didn't misplace.
We highly suspected for a week or so, then Mike came over this afternoon to admit it. Turns out cocaine was now the answer to his problems, and he's had no qualms sneaking in the pet door, or however else, to steal from us. Talk about a kick in the stomach...Once the truth was out, there was not much more for us to say but look at him, and say " In think you should go now ".
Our time with this family is now over, but I would really appreciate it if you all would remember him in your prayers, or whatever it is that you do. It's very likely he's going to soon wind up either in prison or dead, but there's nothing more we can do...
Thanks for listening...
Cheers,
Fred
Unified Serenity
5th September 2011, 22:25
Wow Fred, I know what a kind soul you are and how hard this is for you to do. I'll lift you all up and pray for healing for you and everyone involved.
Hugs,
Serenity
Buck
5th September 2011, 22:35
Fred,
I know you know this. But you are not powerless.
Don't believe that lie :)
You are the immensely powerful angelic interplanetary being that was just out front power-washing your driveway last week :)
Remember?
There is so much more to do, and you are finally, finally, in a perfect position to do something about it !
It's not doing in the physical sense. But you know that too, I can see that from some of your posts.
Your mission.
Lay pipe for another path-
Imagine your friend's journey as something surprisingly positive. Imagine you are even surprised. Imagine the powerful effect witnessing this surprisingly positive outcome would have one you. Imagine what deeply held false beliefs would be unearthed in you if this happened. Imagine the prison drama, and the inevitable rocket to the bottom of the barrel,death and pain and all of that, put it in a bubble. Make sure the bubble is secure, tape it shut, seal all the seams with duck tape and staples, glue, whatever you need in your particular and specific imagination, but make sure it is COMPLETELY sealed. Now breathe in, and invite the energy of love to fill the inside of the bubble. Imagine a brilliant flash of white light. Everything inside the bubble is gone.
Totally gone.
Imagine an outcome that is not prison or death, but redemption, transformation.
Offer the energy of your feelings of betrayal to fuel the alchemy of -
transmutation
GCS1103
5th September 2011, 22:37
Dear Fred-
Mike could not have asked for a better friend than you. He has a serious sickness that he cannot control at this point in his life and you are not responsible for watching over him 24/7 to make sure he stays on course. All you can do is wish him the very best and send him prayers or positive thoughts.
Goldie
Marianne
5th September 2011, 22:38
Fred, you are a kind and courageous man. And a staunch friend. Bless your heart for all you did for your friend and his family. Sometimes it's just time to close the door.
I will hold everyone in a healing space ... there are many involved here, and I always think of the children. Even grown children, and perhaps especially grown children in this case, are severly impacted by the behavior of their parents and chief role models.
I envision all involved as whole and healed.
All love,
Marianne
TigaHawk
5th September 2011, 22:40
Allo Fred,
Was in the chatroom when you first discoverd this. Sorry things turned out the way they did :(
Some times people dont want to be helped - and even tho they are helped they will find other ways to get into the hole they are so mind-set on digging.
Best wishes he's able to make it thru these troubled times and get back on the right track.
PurpleLama
5th September 2011, 23:05
It's tough, sometimes, drawing that line in the sand. Been there myself, once or twice, and it stinks to have to cut people off. Seems to me to be part of the growing pains of being on a spiritual path when the transformation to a higher state brings in changes and sometimes separation from that which stands to keep you down. It's a hard lesson with forgiveness on one side and strength on the other, and I know you've got both in spades.
etheric underground
6th September 2011, 00:37
HEY MIKE,
I appreciate your honesty in your story. It is rare that people are willing to
relay truths about there lives, especially when it concerns addictions etc..
We learn alot from hearing other peoples journeys.... All the best my friend.
Heyoka_11
6th September 2011, 01:27
G'day Fred,
This was obviously an utterly devastating realization for you and your family, especially given the overwhelming level of support that you had given. It is an unfortunate reality that sometimes we must withdraw and let others dig their hole and sit in it, knowing that sometimes they will never climb back out. My immediate hope for you is that you do not end up embroiled in Mike's self destructive behaviour. He may well hit out at you, as he will be painfully aware of his failure, and right now you represent all that he has let slip.
I recently had to withdraw support for a fellow that I work with. Kevin possessed a truck load of spiritually based knowledge, including seven years of Monroe Institute Hemi-Sync meditation, but he did not possess the ability or perhaps just the will to apply any of it in his life; to live by it. He has been spinning out of control on alcohol and sex for a while now, and after many lengthy talks about the consequences of his behaviour, nothing has changed. He admits to it all, and knows that he may be dead soon, but I am powerless to help, save a prayer of course.
I would not for a minute pretend to be able to give you advice, and I am sure that you do not ask for, or need it. My main wish for you is inner peace, in the knowing that you have done all and more that anyone could have possibly done.
Best Wishes and a prayer for both you and Mike,
Tony.
mosquito
6th September 2011, 05:41
Fred, I salute you.
I echo what Heyoka_11 says ..
I admire your courage in telling us this, I can imagine how you and your wife feel.
From your post I know that you know you have to step aside and yet somehow hold him in love and pray (or whatever) that he can sort himself out.
Power to you brother.
meeradas
6th September 2011, 07:04
Fred, your post is saturated with the Fragrance of the heart.
May it always envelop you - and Mike [and - everyone else].
markoid
6th September 2011, 07:17
Totally admirable actions on your part Fred. 'Tis a pity he couldn't run with the kindness you offered.
I do know you have a warrior's heart and that you know this is just 'slings and arrows'.
I hope (and pray) that Mike can turn it around and very well may because of his association with you over the years and nourishment that represents.
Good for you braveheart!
christian
6th September 2011, 08:17
What a timeless story. You just cannot help people, who are not willing to help themselves. If you proceed anyways, they will take advantage of everyone, who is naive enough, not to see that. I want to help everybody, but in some cases this means allowing someone to grow or fail on his or her own.
The One
6th September 2011, 08:41
Wow Fred S.
This reminds me of my friend Andrew. We grew up together and he was one of the most pleasant and shyest persons you could meet.
Andrew lived with his mum and step dad. Then one day they got a call and Andrew had to go and identify his dad. His dad was an alcoholic and had died from alcohol poisoning and was found in his own mess (How sad) which couldnt of been nice for Andrew to see
At first Andrew didn’t seem to have a problem with drinking me and his friend’s just thought because he was so shy this was his way of being more confident. He had everything going for him.
Andrew was a manager of a carpet shop and at the weekends he opened up but was soon drinking on the job he got caught and was sacked. Andrew soon spiralled out of control and ended up in prison, starting trouble all the time and now lives in a bedsit all by himself.
Me and my friends tried numerous times to help him, we even arranged for him to go to rehab which he agreed to but then didn’t turn up. Who would have thought this pleasant shy boy would turn out like this. I lost count how many times his mum asked me to help especially when he was being awful and aggressive. The drink also seemed to make Andrew hallucinate as well.
At first i tried to understand maybe it was seeing his dad that made him go down this path, but then I thought surely he would want better for himself.
I tried to help him so so much and lost count how many times i got him out of trouble. Andrew also stole from me. I soon came to realise that the only person who can help Andrew was himself. Until he decides he wants help there was nothing more I could do and shortly after that we lost contact.
It’s now been over 10 years since I last saw Andrew and i do sometime wonder what he’s doing. So thank you Fred for your story. Certainly bought back a lot of memories for me. I am definitely going to be preying for Mike and Andrew today
Star1111
6th September 2011, 08:42
Fred
You must feel very betrayed and hurt. Some people need to go on thier own journeys and sometimes by intervening (although of course your intentions were and continue to be only good) people don't get to really experience their soul journey fully and therefore by sometimes helping people ............ youre not.
I have learned that sometimes, although it really hurts, the best thing to do with some people is to let them get on with life and have them find out life's lessons for themselves. A difficult thing to do for sure.
Bless you for being such a good friend to Mike - now you need to let him 'go'.
LOVE & peace to you.
Lord Sidious
6th September 2011, 08:56
Sometimes we help people and they turn around and do something we don't like.
This then hurts our feelings.
But it isn't about us, it is about them.
Their whole intention is them, not us and our feelings are not part of the equation/s.
They may come back later and try to make it right, or they may not, but this isn't about you Fred, this is about Mike.
So, although you feel betrayed, let down and disappointed, try and let that go.
Remember the judgement thing I have to let go of?
We all do.
Ineffable Hitchhiker
6th September 2011, 09:00
Fred,
thank you for sharing this with the community here.
You have my deepest respect and I am humbled by your decision.
It takes a very wise soul to recognise when it is time to let go.
You have been through a similar situation, as you said here :-
Part of my awakening process in late '09 was a brief, but very intense dark night of the soul period. During the time I was kicked out of the house, I decided it was time to quit cold turkey my years long heavy pain pill habit. I sat alone for a week and a half, no sleep, in the dark, feeling buried alive by the world, and rode it out. I wouldn't wish that experience on the worst person in the world.
and even though you say you wouldn´t wish it upon the worst person in the world, you obviously learnt from that experience and came out of it a whole lot wiser.
It seems that Mike was "sent" as a reflection and you had a choice to either nurture the situation or "starve" it (for want of a better word).
I think a true friend will call out that which needs to be addressed, without a personal agenda or attachment to outcome and either the other gets it or he doesn´t.
Mike was very lucky to have you around and you were lucky to have Mike because you have learnt to say..."enough!" . :)
I echo Heyoka´s sentiments
My main wish for you is inner peace, in the knowing that you have done all and more that anyone could have possibly done.
MorningSong
6th September 2011, 09:03
Fred, I absolutely can relate to what you've been through as I, too, have had a very similar experience. I, too, was compelled to draw the line and burn bridges with my "friend". After a few years, we ran into each other in a grocery store and she was all lovey-dovie, just really friendly. She told me how she had gotten herself back together and we made an appointment to meet up for a coffee... I listened to her for over 3 hours very politely. We eventually gave our closing salutations and were off each on her own way.
Ever-so-often, she will drop by or call.... and it's always the same old same.... I never call her, I never go to visit her, I never accept her invitaitons... she just doesn't realize how I feel about the matter. She still doesn't acknowledge what I did for her, which is fine for me, but it saddens me that she still has not "grown" from the experience and continues to expect others to fix her problems. SIGH!
The fact is is that I no longer feel responsabile for her. I still care about her, but I wil not let myself become emotionally involved with her like I had before, feeling like it was my "mission" to bring her to the light. This realization put it all in a very different, and better IMO, perspective.
Be at peace.
<8>
6th September 2011, 09:09
Hi Fred..
I see you are still on the right side of the fens when you have it in your heart to forgive him. I like to hope that is a strength most of us here got here, to be able to see the bigger picture of life, even when we are in the storm.
I have a story in my heart to, as most of us. Thanks for showing the way for us to open our hearts to..
A bigg hugg from NR: 8
Dawn
6th September 2011, 09:23
Wow Fred, thank you for sharing. I learned the same lesson when I became an 'angel' for a group of recovering drug addicts. I hired them to do some construction work without realizing they were in a recovery program. Soon my husband and I were shuttling them to AA meetings (they couldn't drive because they had lost their licenses), taking them camping in the woods and fishing in the sea, and accompanying them to their court hearings to vouch for them and their recovered lives. We also visited them in jail during re-lapses, and even picked them up when released supplying them with blankets and clothes to re-start life again. Eventually we were 'taken' in some way by all of them except for one. And that one person learned to stand on his own.
I have been a 'healer' and 'seer' for a number of year. And, I wish to tell you that I had psychic attacks for years after this time. I actually was approached by beings that looked just like the demons in movies, complete with pig bristles all over, and a horrible smell. I believe that those who become involved with drugs are literally wrestling with demons. I had to realize that none of these people were broken, and none of then needed my help. I had to learn to see them as powerful beings, just as I am, who had (on a very deep unconscious) level chosen this experience. And... I had to move on to focusing on my own life.
I believe that exposure to these people changed my life. And that is not a bad thing, although it looks bad to many people. The psychic attacks continued, it appeared the dark entities continued to bother my life and that of my husband. And... over the 5 year period after this time the entire pattern of my life disintegrated. I could blame all this on the dark energetic forces we came into contact with, however I prefer to think that I had the privilege of becoming solidly aware of something most people refuse to see..... that darkness truly exists in realms that influence us all.
So, have you done some work to be sure you are clear of these types of energies????? I suggest you do so.
In the end, in order to free myself, I had to learn to truly and deeply love all of those energies. That is what finally set me, and them, free.
Star1111
6th September 2011, 09:30
Just wanted to share something with all you wonderful Avalonians that resonates with me in a BIG way.................. it might help those who have tried to help others and invested time and effort but who have been hurt, feel resentment or been disappointed by them.
Giving & unselfish giving:
Meeting other people’s needs at the expense of our own is not a spiritual requisite. Being authentic is. When we sacrifice our selves and end up feeling resentful, it is usually an indication that our “unselfish giving” has not really come from the heart. The part of us doing the sacrificing is usually seeking approval or acceptance and has completely disowned the “selfish” part of our psyche.
This does not mean BECOMING selfish and getting rid of the unselfish part of us. We can still give, we can still help others but the difference is, we will not do that by sacrificing our own needs. When we take a few drops of “selfish essence” rather like taking a homeopathic remedy, which treats like with like, it becomes “healthy selfishness.” By EMBRACING the so -called selfish part rather than becoming it, we learn to take care of ourselves as well as taking care of other people. This is its gift to us. It also has a message for us which is to be aware of when we are saying ‘yes’, when we want to say ‘no’ and when we are denying our own needs. Then when we give, we give because we genuinely want to contribute to the well being of others and not because we think we should or in order to get their approval. This is genuine giving in whose soil the seeds of resentment cannot take root
Heyoka_11
6th September 2011, 10:38
I learned the same lesson when I became an 'angel' for a group of recovering drug addicts.
G'day Abundant Traveler,
I've got just two words for you:
First class post!
If I could hit the thanks button a hundred times, I would, because you have raised such an important aspect of addiction. Sure, your average addict has played a big part in their downfall, but malevolent entities are a major player as well. After doorways within the human psyche have been opened to attack, sometimes there is just no shutting them again. This is where addiction is just as much a spiritual battle as it is a chemical one. Anyone who thinks that this is not the case is kidding themselves. Demons love to feed on the death throes of hopeless addicts.
Out of self preservation, we must on occasion withdraw support for those who have lost the battle with addiction, but we must never stop feeling compassion for them, for their comes a time when some are truly no longer in control, and apportioning blame is a exercise in utter futility. All we can do is wish them happier trails next time around.
PS. The quote was random. I just wanted to get your attention.
Fred Steeves
8th September 2011, 13:54
I have been a 'healer' and 'seer' for a number of year. And, I wish to tell you that I had psychic attacks for years after this time. I actually was approached by beings that looked just like the demons in movies, complete with pig bristles all over, and a horrible smell. I believe that those who become involved with drugs are literally wrestling with demons. I had to realize that none of these people were broken, and none of then needed my help. I had to learn to see them as powerful beings, just as I am, who had (on a very deep unconscious) level chosen this experience. And... I had to move on to focusing on my own life.
I believe that exposure to these people changed my life. And that is not a bad thing, although it looks bad to many people. The psychic attacks continued, it appeared the dark entities continued to bother my life and that of my husband. And... over the 5 year period after this time the entire pattern of my life disintegrated. I could blame all this on the dark energetic forces we came into contact with, however I prefer to think that I had the privilege of becoming solidly aware of something most people refuse to see..... that darkness truly exists in realms that influence us all.
So, have you done some work to be sure you are clear of these types of energies????? I suggest you do so.
In the end, in order to free myself, I had to learn to truly and deeply love all of those energies. That is what finally set me, and them, free.
Hi there everybody, I truly thank all of you for your wise and heartfelt posts, believe me it means a lot. I've been hoping that people who so kindly responded to this thread did not find it rude for me not responding, but this has been the week from hell that has left us reeling, constantly in flux, and there was nothing coherent I could say, until now. This is a new experience for me for two main reasons: 1) In our little corner of the world, Heidi(my wife) and I are the ones that people come to with their troubles, and 2) we do not lead high drama lives, quite the opposite actually.
So that being said, as differently as it might have turned out, what Abundant Traveler shares here is amazingly close to how it stands. What happened with Mike over the last three days I liken to helplessly watching an out of control driver with the pedal to the metal going the wrong way on the interstate, with Mike being that driver, and the other cars being ANYONE who is ANYWHERE near him, no matter who they are. And, just as a reminder, he lives next door, so he's rather hard to avoid.
Tuesday evening after changing the locks and putting a bolt on the pet door he was squeezing through to get in, we were just settling down with a drink to watch Little House on the Prairie, which we call the daily dose of goodness. We needed it. Heidi answers the phone, and it's Mike, with an almost demonic voice, informing her that he had been in again this past week-end, taken a check, and written it out to himself for $750, forging my name as the signature. Talk about being dumbfounded yet again. She was so upset that I just told her to hang up, and that if he called again or came over, leave it to me. You know? The man's job in these situations?
I then shared a new worry to Heidi that had just dawned on me: Mike has more than once mentioned to me this little fantasy of going out with suicide by cop. At this point though it occured to me that he may actually contemplate suicide by Fred, because he knows I have a gun, and would certainly use it say, if someone were to attack my wife.
Just a moment later the phone rings again, I pick it up and it's Mike, with that aweful demonic voice I had never heard before in our 14 year friendship. He promptly informs me that he is armed with a butcher knife, has just taken his wife Cathy down, the cops are here and he's going to force them to shoot him...Talk about a big HOLY F*****G S**T!!!! He could sense I had some doubt so he just simply said "go look out front". Well, of course I did, with phone in hand, and the first thing I saw looking towards his house was about 10 cops with shot guns poised at the corner of the far end of his house, the two in front with those big riot shields. The second thing I saw from the corner of my eye were two cops behind me poised at the corner of my house with shot guns, looking right at me...
There's a lot more to the story, and this is getting long, especially for me. I'll tell ya'll the rest if you want the details, but here's the bottom line. Mike wound up surrendering peacefully, after he dropped the butcher knife. He had lied about killing Cathy, she had left for her own safety a bit earlier. Mike is currently stiil in a treatment center under the Baker Act, and will be serving some hard time after that. Oh, and I wound up spending the night in jail.
I've never seen a person spread a swath of destruction like this...To himself, family, friends, anybody who crossed his path...We're still trying to wrap our heads around this one.
Oh, and back to Abundant Traveler's point. Mike himself may be out of the picture now physically, but he has left a little going away gift in his wake. The best I can describe it is like a vortex of negative energy, just aching to suck the life's blood out of anyone who will leave a crack of an opening.
Lord Sidious
8th September 2011, 14:00
Sorry to hear this Fred, but in the long run, at least everyone is now in an area they can move on and deal with things without recurring issues.
KosmicKat
8th September 2011, 14:02
Oh Fred! Much love to you and your wife both, and to Mike and Cathy. Doing the right thing doesn't necessarily mean getting a pat on the back and a rosy sunset. The only benefit I can see from this right now is that you have gained a wealth of experience, and you have also shared your wealth.
Marsila
8th September 2011, 14:05
Fred S. i am really sorry you had to put up with all that, but i am glad you your wife and his wife are all safe.
and best wishes for you all to move on from this episode of your lives to something better.
loveandgratitude
8th September 2011, 14:05
A BIG HUG FOR YOU FRED
http://massiveaction.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/polar-bear-funny-dog-death-hug.jpg
Lord Sidious
8th September 2011, 14:05
You still have friends all over Fred, even though you are a nugget. :p
Seriously though, I am your friend, I might even visit you down the track.
Till then, here is a goddess to sooth the waters for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TnLFJbj7fk
Fred Steeves
8th September 2011, 14:34
You still have friends all over Fred, even though you are a nugget. :p
Seriously though, I am your friend, I might even visit you down the track.
Till then, here is a goddess to sooth the waters for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TnLFJbj7fk
A visit from the Lord of Darkness himself? As long as I would be current on me light sabre skills that would be great! Our door is always open to anyone from Avalon who's in the vicinity and needs a friendly place to stay, as long as they're not afraid of dogs that is.
Maybe if I slipped Rob some of the Jack Daniels saved for Bob Dean, he might divulge where the nugget thing came from. LOL. I promise I wouldn't tell a soul, not even myself.
Cheers,
Fred
Lord Sidious
8th September 2011, 14:37
I like to hang out with good people Fred and you are good people.
Who knows, some of your good outlook might even rub off on me.
Heyoka_11
8th September 2011, 14:38
Far out Fred! Did I say something about not becoming embroiled in Mike's self-destructive behaviour. Sorry mate! I did not know he was your next door neighbour, only that you were in the same neighborhood. You had mentioned that you had moved into the same neighborhood, so I checked, but I missed it. If I had known he was next door, sorry mate, I was going to suggest that you to get out for a few days. I had a bad feeling that this was going to come to a climax real soon, and that you'd be in the middle of it. Thank God everyone is safe.
And how come you end up in the slammer?
Unfortunately, I think maybe some serious time will help Mike. I am no fan of the punitive system, at all, but it's time for him to sit in his hole for a while.
Star1111
8th September 2011, 14:45
Fred - what a situation! Be strong my friend and look after yourself.
You are much LOVED here.
I'm sending LOVE to Mike too, he clearly needs it.
You have done the best you can for Mike - now hopefully he will look inwards and start to heal.
Fred Steeves
8th September 2011, 15:52
And how come you end up in the slammer?
There's an ironic back story to this. About 13 years ago me, my wife, and a friend were having drinks on a Saturday night about midnight out in our back yard in the "pub" I built. Were heard a girl frantically screaming, and ran out front only to see a girl wandering aimlessly amidst traffic at the corner. Worried she would get run over, me and my buddy ran up there. She was maybe 16 years old, on like PCP or something, and there was no reasoning with her. We each grabbed an arm, marched her back to our front yard, gently laid her down while being restrained, and waited for the sheriff to arrive that Heidi had called. We didn't know what else to do back then.
She was no problem to hold down, had relaxed, and it seemed everything would be fine when the nice policeman showed up. So what did the 250 pound hulking cop do? He leaped out of his car, yelled at us to get off of her, pounced all of his weight on her chest, and proceeded immediately to fill her face with pepper spray. Now with her understandibly screaming wildly again, he flipped her over, face snorting in the dirt, and hog tied her. We were horrified, and NEVER forgot...
So, to Tuesday night. The easy part of this two part answer is that there's a certain part of me with the true warrior spirit, ask Lord Sidious about the warrior spirit. :boxing: LOL...99% of the time it's well under control, but maybe once every 3-4 blue moons something will trigger it and it's game on. It will not trigger for myself, only for other people. I was certain I could talk Mike out of there peacefully, but they were going to have none of it, and right or wrong it pissed me off. I thought sure as s**t I was going to be witness to watch them just flash bang their way in and shoot him like a dog, without trying negotiation first, no matter what we thought he had done. So, off I went on expressing my views rather vocally. The cops were flabbergasted that Heidi and I would be concerned about police brutality, so we began voicing loudly that we had already seen it in our own front yard, and told the pepper spray story more than once.
Well, take a wild guess who one of these guys turned out to be?????? Hmmmmm????? Oh yeah...
Fast forward a few minutes. Suddenly we saw them leading Mike off in handcuffs. He hadn't been in the house the whole time, but hiding in a bush out front. He had stepped out, dropped the knife, and given himself up. Of course it took 8 of them to escort him to a car, and not one of them seemed at all concerned with the wife he had supposedly just attacked with the butcher knife in the house. Seeing this, probably just from being in a mild state of shock, we thought they were done. We went to their house and searched frantically for Cathy, expecting to find her bleeding to death, or dead, stuffed in a closet or something. Not finding her, we ran back to the front door to search outside, and when we ripped it open there were 4 cops standing there looking as surprised to see us as we were them.
They started yelling at us, forcing us out front, surrounding us, yelling that we were obstructing a crime scene, and trespassing. That's when I got really mad and yelled that all we were trying to do was see if Cathy was o.k. That was when I felt my arms being ripped behind me and the cuffs go on, very tightly. One of the guys got right in my face and started reading me the riot act about how stupid and ignorant we were. That was when I calmed down real fast, cool as a cucumber, looked him dead in the eye and told him that they should should all be ashamed of themselves...Well, take another wild guess as to who this certain gentleman was again...We hadn't recognized him.Yep, that jackass from years ago with the girl. Being the kind of person he is, he had now been promoted to Lieutenant, was in charge, had gotten an earful of us telling the story, and was going to get even.
I never even knew if Cathy was o.k. til around midnight when I was finally able to make a call.
Davy
8th September 2011, 16:21
Fred I have been in situations like the one with You and Mike before, You do and help people because you have a wonderful heart but you can only do so much, You have laid the ground work for Mike and now it is up to him to take the responsibility for his life. I know your influence on his life has made impact even though it may not fell that way now.
But enough is enough and you have got to stand up for yourself and your family my prayers are for you to have the strength and For Mike to open his eyes and see what he needs to do to change his life.
But You have put out only good Karma and that will come back to you. Mike will always know what you have done for him and one day He will have to pay for his negative actions he has chosen because we are all essentially responsible for our lives not God nor the Devil us our actions create our reality.
Heyoka_11
8th September 2011, 21:21
And how come you end up in the slammer?
There's an ironic back story to this.
You're behaviour is totally understandable, and I'd have done the same thing even if aware of the consequences. Actually, the consequences would have only served to strengthen my conviction to get in their face. Good on you Fred!
The whole saga has played out for you like someone wrote it; like it was a movie script. Let's hope their are no repeats!
grapevine
8th September 2011, 22:04
Hi Fred
Read your post and well done for helping your friend. An addiction is not a pretty ride and addicts do not play to the rules. He tested you plenty...... I note also that you had the same addiction with the pain pills and so you know what he went through and is still going through now ....... Reading between the lines you've taken a view on the matter, which you had to do for your own peace of mind. But because of your empathy with this guy you can sort of leave the door open for when (positive note) he comes back into your life on the road to recovery. There's nothing you can do while he's still thrashing around in the wilderness but one day he might be ready to take that step out. What about his wife/family btw? They still need comfort and support ...
PS: Oh blimey Fred - just finished reading all of the thread and see that there's a lot more to it than at first thought. Your pending trip to Vilacumba would sure be a start ..... :) xx
Davy
8th September 2011, 22:13
Well you sure know first hand the brutality of the guys that are suppose to "Protect and Serve"! And they can get away with it!! How can the cops, military, govt, be so brainwashed they can not see what they are doing is wrong?!
skamandar
8th September 2011, 23:21
Been there.
good lesson I guess...
as everything in life is..
It took me long to find out that I cannot be superman for anybody..
It is your "friend's" responsibility to go out of the mud. You can only give him a hand sometimes... when you feel it is not an issue and a burden for you.
I know you are observant and you notice people suffering. I remember your post about the guy being left from his family in some place, because he got sick (he couldn't move and speak). You asked everybody in the forum to pray for him. And that was the most kind thing ever!!
But don't let your empathy control you, this can break your heart to a point you become useless for yourself and a burden for the people around you.
I understand you totally! At the same time I don't think I will ever allow somebody to use me in that way anymore. I learned never to feel sorry for anyone. We all have the power to stand up on our own feet. Just some people choose to be bloodsucking because they still have that option. Don't give them that option - enough is enough
motherlove
8th September 2011, 23:54
How can you possibly know who you are for sure unless you have been who you are not. I honor and recognise your sacrifice for this man and I feel your raw disappointment. I hope you can forgive him so you don't carry this. Have peace no one could have done more. Best Wishes.
Heyoka_11
9th September 2011, 00:29
How can you possibly know who you are for sure unless you have been who you are not.
You have made such an important point here motherlove, and I hope that many others see your post.
There is a state of clarity that can only be reached at the utter extremes of our behaviour. From personal experience, that was, as you have suggested, being who I was not. From that vantage point, the path forward in my life was well lit, straight, and narrow.
Carmen
9th September 2011, 09:07
Ah Fred, that is a real sad story. To be taken advantage of like that. You are a kind, compassionate man. Addiction is such a bastard.
Fred Steeves
9th September 2011, 15:13
Well you sure know first hand the brutality of the guys that are suppose to "Protect and Serve"! And they can get away with it!! How can the cops, military, govt, be so brainwashed they can not see what they are doing is wrong?!
That's a good one Davy. They had many back slapping laughs over the course of the event, but do you know what gave them the biggest laugh of all? Even before it got near the point of me getting cuffed, I looked them dead in the eye and asked if they even had a clue what was written in the Constitution any more. They laughed like a pack of hyenas at that one. Well, what should I have expected, these young guns are empowered by the Department of Homeland Security now, not those silly old founding documents.
You know, it's one thing to see that sort of thing with Alex Jones type reports, youtube videos and such, and you know it's real. But when the laughter and ridicule is right in your own face, in your own front yard, it really hits home, and hits home hard.
Cheers,
Fred
Fred Steeves
9th September 2011, 15:47
What about his wife/family btw? They still need comfort and support ...
Yeah w1ndmill, well, that a part of the story I really wasn't going to go in to, as it has that soap opera feeling already. Mike (hopefully) may be out of the picture, but his wife Cathy is a whole mess unto itself he's left behind. Over the last several years she's become more and mome agoraphobic. It's a big deal for her to just go next door to our house, much less go out and get a job. As long as she has her vodka and cigarettes she's content, so to speak.
They haven't made a mortgage payment in over 2 years, so the house could be foreclosed on at any time. Cathy and her 19 year old son were left with a staggering power bill which they can't pay, so that is due to be turned off today. Water wouldn't be far behind. We hate to see her live this way, but if we just keep paying the bills, she will never have a chance to change and start her life over. We won't leave her in the dark, when they cut it off I'll run a power cord over for a lamp and a fan atleast. Besides that we are planning a big garage sale for Sunday with all their stuff that should bring in a descent wad of cash. Her son Kieffer is now the man of the house at 19, so we have help from him and his girlfriend, plus a good friend of Heidi's who has some very helpful and responsible kids to help.
Heidi's friend's parents volunteer at a homeless shelter run by their church, where the goal is not to just feed and house them, but to get them whatever help they need, get them some job training skills, help them find a job, and eventually ease them back out on their own to start their lives over. They also MUST be alcohol and drug free during this time. Our biggest hope is that we can get Cathy out of that aweful run down house, with all the aweful memories, and into that program. We don't see any other way out presently.
Fortunately the 18 year old daughter just went off to college, so she didn't have to witness what her daddy did. As grown up as she tries to appear, she's still a little girl at heart, and it's possible she may not have ever gotten over it.
Carmody
9th September 2011, 16:00
What about his wife/family btw? They still need comfort and support ...
Fortunately the 18 year old daughter just went off to college, so she didn't have to witness what her daddy did. As grown up as she tries to appear, she's still a little girl at heart, and it's possible she may not have ever gotten over it.
At the age of 18 it might simply fester and spin out of control in pattern that is reminiscent in shape and timing of her own father's/mother's relationship and aspects. The wiring we receive as children runs deep and unrealized, in the vast number of people out there. Or it might serve up as a wake up call for a soul that's done the same themselves and has taken a turn as being child of one who is learning that particular lesson. Will, ability to control emotions and think clearly, those things will count in how she handles it or even potentially manifests an echo of it.
In my experience, a few clear words about the depth of it, uttered at the tight time, can do wonders.
the trick is learning the timing, placement, and the shape of the few words. And that..is purely an aspect of how the given person reflects themselves to you, in the given immediate moment. This is the reason the Buddhists work one-on-one.
Sidney
9th September 2011, 16:23
Fred, People seem to be drowning in problems lately, and as things in the world speed up, desperation sets in. Your friend is on a terrible path, and I will pray for him, that his path will lead him to the place you are today. You are the epitome of the word "friend". Somewhere in his lost soul he knows this, as we all do.
You all have my sincere prayers, him for his journey to lead him, and you, for your spirit to be free of the responsibility you have kindly accepted all these years. You are a good man, and I am sorry for the pain you have endured over this.
Darla Ken Pearce
9th September 2011, 16:57
When kindness is repaid by betrayal, there is a real sting to it. The only ointment I know for healing from it, is to move into a higher realm of perspective not easily thought of when locked in 3D constructs. It's all about love, love, love. As long as we are true to ourselves, no betrayals are really possible. It feels like they are possible and real but they are not, in fact, real in the greater scope of things.
Fred, I am sorry you lost your money, it's so hard earned but it's only money (laugh here) and trust (cry here) and these things are material and of 3D constructs. They don't really matter in the total scope of things. We came to Earth to experience all this bad stuff and learn and progress our way back into the sunshine of a new day. We are doing this now and it's not easy. No one ever told us it would be....we agreed just for the bliss of what this will all mean in a different dimension. We get to bring back all we've learned to overcome and endure with us and assist and make the way easier for all those who follow us. Our cause was noble and it counts!
It's a wonderful thing to have an opportunity to help others before they help themselves (always looking for joke material here ; ) You are blessed. Know this and move on into happiness and happier days ahead. When all the dross goes away along with duality itself (adios amigo!) we will bask in the sunshine of hearts full of love and caring, and a much greater understanding, we might have missed had things been otherwise. Count your blessings and MORE come. We can almost reach out and TOUCH bliss now it's that close! xoxox
sleepy
9th September 2011, 17:06
xxxxx xxxxx
Lord Sidious
9th September 2011, 17:50
What about his wife/family btw? They still need comfort and support ...
Yeah w1ndmill, well, that a part of the story I really wasn't going to go in to, as it has that soap opera feeling already. Mike (hopefully) may be out of the picture, but his wife Cathy is a whole mess unto itself he's left behind. Over the last several years she's become more and mome agoraphobic. It's a big deal for her to just go next door to our house, much less go out and get a job. As long as she has her vodka and cigarettes she's content, so to speak.
They haven't made a mortgage payment in over 2 years, so the house could be foreclosed on at any time. Cathy and her 19 year old son were left with a staggering power bill which they can't pay, so that is due to be turned off today. Water wouldn't be far behind. We hate to see her live this way, but if we just keep paying the bills, she will never have a chance to change and start her life over. We won't leave her in the dark, when they cut it off I'll run a power cord over for a lamp and a fan atleast. Besides that we are planning a big garage sale for Sunday with all their stuff that should bring in a descent wad of cash. Her son Kieffer is now the man of the house at 19, so we have help from him and his girlfriend, plus a good friend of Heidi's who has some very helpful and responsible kids to help.
Heidi's friend's parents volunteer at a homeless shelter run by their church, where the goal is not to just feed and house them, but to get them whatever help they need, get them some job training skills, help them find a job, and eventually ease them back out on their own to start their lives over. They also MUST be alcohol and drug free during this time. Our biggest hope is that we can get Cathy out of that aweful run down house, with all the aweful memories, and into that program. We don't see any other way out presently.
Fortunately the 18 year old daughter just went off to college, so she didn't have to witness what her daddy did. As grown up as she tries to appear, she's still a little girl at heart, and it's possible she may not have ever gotten over it.
Remember one thing for me FredSNugget, you are a two gallon barrel, don't try pouring five gallons into you.
sister
9th September 2011, 18:19
Fred, I'm truly saddened by this incredible turn of events in your life and will certainly keep you and Heidi, Mike and Cathy and their kids in my thoughts today.
Bless you for your compassion toward your fellow man.
lslimerick
9th September 2011, 18:37
Fred et all,
I think this resonates because we have all either been on the giving or receiving for whatever experience our soul requires......the one thing I get from your story is the lesson of endings.....as people of kindness and wanting to help, we sometimes suffer the inability to do that....whatever the story/drama/experience, your friend is now teaching you to let go, finding peace in doing that, realizing it is so important in this time of ascension to have little or no attachment and that lesson seems to mostly come in us letting people go out of our lives.....My friend, I smile as I type this, you are moving to higher ground (no pun intended).....your friend will be fine, he is obviously a very strong soul, who is continuing his journey and teaching others....our paths all end up in the same place, back in oneness, he is you and you are him...love to you and all..
Carmen
9th September 2011, 19:16
Fred, I know this probably goes against your 'stay here and look after everyone nature" but maybe this is an indicator to look again at Heidi's 'move to Sth America idea' Just a thought. Anyway, you be well and look after yourself.
Ecnal61
9th September 2011, 19:35
Hi Fred, people say we choose the life we now live to learn certain lessons,after spending so much time and effort on this man can you look back in a calm reflective way and cherry pick something good for you that has come out of this very long experience? you have been a good friend to him and deserve better.
Fred Steeves
9th September 2011, 20:04
Hey there, thanks so much to you all for your wise and kind comments!!! Trust me I take them all to heart, and I am humbled that so many would respond each with their own learned wisdom on this craziness and darkness that has suddenly enveloped our normally quiet lives. This is a very weird thread for me to be doing. Certainly there is a healing aspect of unloading a heavy burden on trusted friends, which is difficult for me to do, but there is a certain..."something else"...aspect of this series of events going on that is WAY beyond my intellectual capacity to understand.
It's still too early to put any comprehension to it, but I'll just put it this way for now. It wouldn't shock me if more and more of us here begin to experience similar, seemingly insane circumstances. Maybe it's getting close to game time for those who are going to dare give it a try to sit in that cave with the old grizzly bear sniffing and licking down our necks, and final preparations are now underway, dunno.
Cheers,
Fred
P.S. Please don't worry though, I'm o.k. :thumb: What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger.
pickle
9th September 2011, 20:15
Fred, I hope you take this the (good) way it's intended... you remind me of David Bowie's 'Heroes'.
If it's true about "you get back what you give out", then you'll be spiritually loaded ;-)
Peace,
Pickle
joedjemal
9th September 2011, 20:59
I'm having a similar problem with a close friend here. we hadn't seen each other for quite a few years and during that time he'd become an alcoholic and had been on the wagon for 9 months by the time we met again. we got close again and I started going round there often.all was well for about six months then his young son who he had custody of decided to move to america to live with his mum and my friend hit the bottle and disintegrated before my eyes. After about a month of this he vanished without a trace for a week and I finally tracked him down to the intensive care unit at the local hospital. I looked after him for a month or so then sat with him while he detoxed. He only managed to stay off for a couple of weeks before going back on the booze getting physically weaker all the time.
Then I realised I wasn't helping. My assistance was enabling him to drink so a couple of weeks ago I told him I was backing off and that he needed to go into rehab (I found out he'd been offered a place but was refusing it) he was supposed to go in on monday but didn't and now he's asking for my support again. He's not going to get it till he takes up that rehab place or I'll just be enabling his self destruction. I love the man but helping him as he wants now wouldn't be helping him. I'll take him some non toxic goodies once he goes in but until then I'll be avoiding him and I've told him as much.
Carmen
9th September 2011, 21:58
Its sad, but there comes a point to leave, to let go. People who refuse to help themselves eventually have to be left alone. To continue to prop them up just makes them more dependent!!
Fred Steeves
9th September 2011, 22:15
Its sad, but there comes a point to leave, to let go. People who refuse to help themselves eventually have to be left alone. To continue to prop them up just makes them more dependent!!
This is so true Carmen, and for me anyway, the best lessons are always conducted the hard way. As deeply as it pained me, I just had him re-arrested on the check fraud thing and he's back on his way the slammer, where unfortunately his lost soul belongs for a good while. They took him away about an hour ago.
It was a big surprise that he was even let free from the psych ward early this afternoon, he must have bulls**tted the doctors just like everyone else. The charges would have caught up with him in a couple of days anyway, his time home was indeed short regardless, but after him telling me he had murdered his wife and was now going to commit suicide by cop a few days ago, I really didn't want to give him any time to get all messed up on something and contemplate suicide by Fred.
Enough is enough...
Lisab
9th September 2011, 22:36
Fred youve done the best that you could do and all that you could do. as pointed out by others to continue to give anymore help would be enablement. Fair play to you. You take care of you and your family now you all deserve it.Peace x
Heyoka_11
9th September 2011, 23:01
I just had him re-arrested
Well done Fred!
For him to have been discharged in the first place.............??????
DarMar
9th September 2011, 23:28
well it happens, to me personally happened few times until i learned very important lesson: "never throw beggar a coin" cause it only prolongs his sorrow.
That lesson is not connected with your case to much because you wanted to help a friend and got smacked for it, sadly i know that feeling too.
and this beggar part is only connected to money part in your experience. Money is sadly spell, and we have one good saying here.. if you wanna loose your friend, just lend him some money, and funny part is that is true.
But idea that after all of that has been done and after he smacked at you generosity you still want him best and want to help him with though and prayer is telling that you are very aware person and thats awesome of you.
It would be cool if more people would be like that, without grief and negativity with oriented to others in same manners as oriented to self. without any division like service to self or others. on end we are all one source code :)
Thing that i personally experienced with my PTSP stepfather was very similar... he was sinking and mother and me was trying to pull him up. He was on heavy pills, no work, no money... no future
we tried and tried but crucial moment was step down.. we simply didn't wanted to give him attention no more.... he just dissapeared
After all that experience it is only left questions ... did we called him into our lives with thoughts?
did we created that experience?
surprising answer is Yes, we did
was he like that because we gave lost soul attention?
I think he was.
sometimes the greatest step is to step down and turn back, because not all things in this manifest deserves our attention. Some are here to help us and some to delude us.
But also that gives us one big point in life that is nice to adress.
While humans concerns are to resolve other peoples problems, it simply can't be done.
Like you did examined yourself and left pain pills aside and got out of that mess and sorted your life is big step up.
Wanted to help friend in similar way but without result on end.
With this color we can paint a picture in much larger scale, like people that have "awakened" are trying to awake others.
So with your description i would tell that you perfectly described even larger scale of human problems.
And that is: YOU CAN ALWAYS SHOW SOMEONE DIRECTION, BUT NEVER LEAD THEM THROUGH JOURNEY
so when i see follower (dog type) i simply turn my back, if he asks direction i could suggest something but won't lead, point is that hes gotta want/do it or nothing will became of it.
if i see beggar i always look em in deep into eyes and smile .. they are ever wondered how do i dare to smile at their sorrow, but that is just because cause they are not aware of their capabilities and for that i don't throw them coins.
and if i ever see/meet people like you, which touched bottom and raised himself above it i simply love it!
that one is true evidence that we are directors of our lives, not some evil aliens or multidimensional beings, or dunno what people ever think of... it is a evidence of thought and intention strength and i cannot to not love it :)
i say you are one nice soul on this great journey and if you don't mind i would rather send you support in any form than to lost soul ..
He had his chance, he still has, he doesn't know god nor good and my prayer wont show him that in fact there is one great possibility that he doesn't own his soul at all. As you say he told you that he murdered his wife, and want suicide?
Yep, very big chance that hes body without soul, and one big point about thoughts and energy is that we must be careful where do we point that power to not end up in oblivion doing absoulutely nothing.
We simply need to sharpen our intuition on that one and give strength to people that want to ascend not to descend ones.
Because believe it or not alot of humans on this planet incarnated for purpose of descending and that's their point of view and it would be wrong to take em away from their journey as they obviously needed what they took.
Lord Sidious
10th September 2011, 02:08
Its sad, but there comes a point to leave, to let go. People who refuse to help themselves eventually have to be left alone. To continue to prop them up just makes them more dependent!!
This is so true Carmen, and for me anyway, the best lessons are always conducted the hard way. As deeply as it pained me, I just had him re-arrested on the check fraud thing and he's back on his way the slammer, where unfortunately his lost soul belongs for a good while. They took him away about an hour ago.
It was a big surprise that he was even let free from the psych ward early this afternoon, he must have bulls**tted the doctors just like everyone else. The charges would have caught up with him in a couple of days anyway, his time home was indeed short regardless, but after him telling me he had murdered his wife and was now going to commit suicide by cop a few days ago, I really didn't want to give him any time to get all messed up on something and contemplate suicide by Fred.
Enough is enough...
If you go talk to the bank, they may give you your money back on the basis of fraud.
Unified Serenity
10th September 2011, 02:23
When kindness is repaid by betrayal, there is a real sting to it. The only ointment I know for healing from it, is to move into a higher realm of perspective not easily thought of when locked in 3D constructs. It's all about love, love, love. As long as we are true to ourselves, no betrayals are really possible. It feels like they are possible and real but they are not, in fact, real in the greater scope of things.
Fred, I am sorry you lost your money, it's so hard earned but it's only money (laugh here) and trust (cry here) and these things are material and of 3D constructs. They don't really matter in the total scope of things. We came to Earth to experience all this bad stuff and learn and progress our way back into the sunshine of a new day. We are doing this now and it's not easy. No one ever told us it would be....we agreed just for the bliss of what this will all mean in a different dimension. We get to bring back all we've learned to overcome and endure with us and assist and make the way easier for all those who follow us. Our cause was noble and it counts!
It's a wonderful thing to have an opportunity to help others before they help themselves (always looking for joke material here ; ) You are blessed. Know this and move on into happiness and happier days ahead. When all the dross goes away along with duality itself (adios amigo!) we will bask in the sunshine of hearts full of love and caring, and a much greater understanding, we might have missed had things been otherwise. Count your blessings and MORE come. We can almost reach out and TOUCH bliss now it's that close! xoxox
You know Darla, your words brought me back to 1995 when I had my transformative experience that came from a terrible betrayal. It was in that moment of not defending myself, not hating that person, and forgiving them in truth and spirit that I knew complete oneness with the Divine. It is how we walk through the dark nights that really shows us the way forward, and not in staying in that darkness. Thanks for reminding me. I have been sad the past few days missing mom and dad. I am sure many others, including Fred have had their ups and downs too this week. May we all walk in forgiveness and love.
Blessings to you,
Serenity
Marsila
10th September 2011, 03:06
Geez, too much drama going around you for one person or even you and your wife to be able to handle, and worst thing is neither of you really caused it.
Maybe it is a good idea to leave you know, if only just to change your surroundings for a while, and help yourselves gain a new perspective on this?
GCS1103
10th September 2011, 05:32
Its sad, but there comes a point to leave, to let go. People who refuse to help themselves eventually have to be left alone. To continue to prop them up just makes them more dependent!!
This is so true Carmen, and for me anyway, the best lessons are always conducted the hard way. As deeply as it pained me, I just had him re-arrested on the check fraud thing and he's back on his way the slammer, where unfortunately his lost soul belongs for a good while. They took him away about an hour ago.
It was a big surprise that he was even let free from the psych ward early this afternoon, he must have bulls**tted the doctors just like everyone else. The charges would have caught up with him in a couple of days anyway, his time home was indeed short regardless, but after him telling me he had murdered his wife and was now going to commit suicide by cop a few days ago, I really didn't want to give him any time to get all messed up on something and contemplate suicide by Fred.
Enough is enough...
If you go talk to the bank, they may give you your money back on the basis of fraud.
Fred-
Rob is correct, as usual. YOUR bank is responsible to you for honoring the check that contained the forged signature. I know for a fact that Florida law holds the bank responsible for this, from personal experience. Several years ago a client of my firm who lives in Florida got her hands of one of our trust checks, forged my signature to the check and wrote herself one mother of a "payday" . She brought it to her bank, they processed it and my bank, in turn, paid out on it. I asked the Florida bank for reimbursement, they said no, and I made one phone call to the Attorney General of Florida. The money was returned within 24 hours by the Florida bank. Your state's law is very clear on this issue.
I would advise you to go into your bank and speak to the branch manager, face to face. If you cannot get anywhere with him/her file a small claims complaint against your bank. The filing fees are minimal and you will be entitled to reimbursement of court costs as well as the amount they took out of your account.
Goldie
Lord Sidious
10th September 2011, 05:40
Rob is correct, as usual.
Goldie
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I make errors too.
I didn't even think to ask if that guy in Brisbane had applied for bail before we did the habeas, I just thought they would know to do that.
GCS1103
10th September 2011, 06:02
Rob is correct, as usual.
Goldie
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I make errors too.
I didn't even think to ask if that guy in Brisbane had applied for bail before we did the habeas, I just thought they would know to do that.
When any of us handle a type of case we haven't had before, we make errors. That's why, after a number of years of practicing, we tend to specialize in one area. Just like you did.
Fred Steeves
10th September 2011, 10:52
Rob is correct, as usual. YOUR bank is responsible to you for honoring the check that contained the forged signature.
Hi Goldie, thanks, that's one ballsy client you had there. Putting on my criminal hat, if I were to be of mind to pull off a caper like that, there would be a plan in place to disapper, real quiet like.
As for Rob being correct as usual, I couldn't agree more. Whenever you want to learn something, just listen to whatever it is he's talking about.
As for the check, yes, we went to the bank the day after all the fireworks. Once they got all of our information, all they needed to re-deposit the funds was a police report number. The check cashing place where Mike went is going to be the odd man out, but they're going to get their piece of hide.
Cheers,
Fred
Lord Sidious
10th September 2011, 11:54
Glad to see you got that sorted Fred.
Although money isn't real, it certainly helps to pass the communist fiat currency over to the people at the store.
They think it is real and they like it.
I like decent food to eat, so I hand over that rubbish and everyone is happy.
Ernie Nemeth
10th September 2011, 12:23
Oh Fred,
So sorry to hear of your drama-next-door.
I have sent a great deal of love (tears).
This has brought up memories of my own, but I have written about that elsewhere. Violence at that level, for peace-loving people, is extremely traumatic - and a real eye-opener.
I am so glad you and yours are safe!
Please take some quiet moments and feel the love all of Avalon is sending you. This will re-enforce the reality of the power of love. It is real and it is palpable. Believe it.
When I first felt it sent my way from here I was shocked. There are so many incredibly powerful people here and they really do work at levels unseen. I'm just a beginner in comparison.
Love, love, love.
And Peace
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