The mists of Avalon...? (The case of Edward Alexander)

[Floor]

I see Edward Alexander is banned here.

That is a shock for me.

Avalon who are you? Are you really open and searching for thruth?
Why use the ultimate power to remove someone?

Do not treat me or other members as children please.
Let me and us discern false from truth ourselves.

He did not in any way ask for money on this forum. And if this forum wants to unsubscribe people because they make money in any way on their sites, it will be silent here. It feels very untruthfull that this was the reason to dismiss him.

I want to hear what he says and what he has to offer and decide myself what to take from it or not.
Don't you see, you do exactly the same as our "mainstream society", block and ridicule who do not want to vibrate with the system?

And do not remove my post. As I want it open for anyone to read and decide for themselve. Do not become a system, be cautious. Stand sincere for truth, and not for the system of the guidelines of this forum, but for it's spirit.

And do not be offended I dare to discuss this openly. Truth is open. I experienced the same in my country on two so called "truth" and "spiritual" fora. Write what you want about me, but do not block me, for you will tell so clearly this way, who is speaking.

Love, truth and discernment to us all


Here what Edward Alexander posted on his forum: http://conspiraciesforums.com/

"I have been a member of Project Avalon for many years now, and I know the two people who started and own it, Bill & Kerry from Project Camelot.

Today I was suddenly banned, after a thread of mine got very popular and had close to 20 000 views, one of the most popular of all threads there.

The "reason" the Administrator gave for banning me and closing my thread was:

Quote:
Hello Edward Alexander,

Your Project Avalon account has been closed permanently.

You have grossly breached the guidelines of this forum:

"Members who insist on promoting/showcasing themselves,
their own websites, philosophies, products, services or
other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed"

If you truly are who you say you are, you need to have
a "clean" site (as you say) where information is truly
free and you don't make a commission out of referrals.
Especially if you make enough money already!

I wish you all the best,

- Ilie on behalf of Project Avalon Team


My response was:

Quote:
You are coming with such claims, yet you come from a site itself that
have made lots of money on the visitors, at one point even REQUIRING
a donation to even be able to participate.

Virtually all sites these days have some advertisement from them. With
your logic you have to close down all threads and remove links where
anyone else have posted to sites they happen to own which has some
form of adsense or similar.

My website is a source for information, and has no purpose of making
money. I have been on Avalon from its beginning and never used it for
anything money related. I've shared all types of information, from
many sources, and the reason my own website has been a source of
information is simply because of how much material i've already got
there through the years.

You reason for banning me is ludicrous and I assume that means a large
amount of the other members must be qualifying for the same since many
own some websites that they make money through either by selling own
products / services - something you , Project Avalon, do yourself

Will forward the emails and reason you have provided for doing so to
Bill and request a reactivation of my account..

-Edward Alexander


As a note, never did I advertise ANY form of "Service" or "Product", nor do I even sell any such things in the first place. It is highly suspicious that my thread which as filled with information got banned from such ludicrous claims of things that are found NOWHERE in that thread.

For the thread itself it was one about my background in the Occult & Secret orders, still possible to see here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodlin...

A similar thing happened in AboveTopSecret some time ago, banned for no reason, no reason ever given when asked, and no apparent obvious reason either. This too was one of the most popular threads there, with tremendous amounts of information I put out. It turned out with investigation that the owners of ATS are affiliated with suspect activites and governments and serves as shills to disinform and deceive people and make them confused. Truth on subjects that touches sensitives areas gets removed.

You can read the individual report on the AboveTopSecret ban incident here:
http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2010/06/abovetopseceretcom-conspiring.html

The only logical conclusion is that the same is the case with Project Avalon as they banned me in the precise same manner, in a thread filled with information and insights, and no "suspects" activities or anything related to what the person who banned me claimed to be the reason.

Again we experience how "frontiers of Truth" do the opposite and force down those who speak the truth. They decide what is the Truth, and direct it through their dictatorship based on disinformation, deceit and confusion of peoples belief and knowledge.

-Edward Alexander"

[TigaHawk]

So, someone got membership to this forum and started advertising their own website, which, funnily enough, is purely a forum with nothing else on it, and in the post is encouragment that people go over and sign up and start posting.


Fair enough. Congratulations on having/making you're own website.


I have a strong feeling that there would be no banhammer or unwelcomness from the mods if the site actualy had content on it - rather than it seeming to being a mini version of the PA forums , that is made to address/talk about the exact same issues, but with different moderation.


You honestly expect to be able to walk into a "K mart" advertising your'e brand new store "Big W" without repercussions or at the least being removed from the store?


Honestly, the site is 100% new. If it actualy had content on it there would probably be no problem. PA, ican imagine, may have a short tolerance to people setting up sites that are allmost exact clones of these forums and encouraging people to migrate and hinting at better/fairer moderation. The grass is allways greener on the other side. Just look at Mists of Avalon.

It came to be thru similar circumstances. A Member had an issue with what a moderator did. Said member went on a crusade, setup a new forum, contacted every man and his dog they could from this forum and told them to come over because they had "fair moderators" "grass is greener" and all that jazz.


But i'll ask again - Do you realy think its ok for you to walk into a "K Mart" with big signs saying Hey check out my site "Big W" its like Kmart but with.............. without being asked to leave?

Similar to walking up behind a horse and firing a cap gun and sitting there being 100% bewilderd/confuzed as to why the horse sent you flying with a buck into the wall.

[StateOfTheHeart]

Mild pre-disclaimer, as a sign of respect and appreciation for hospitality: I realise the moderators have a difficult job and kindly volunteer their service, so I don't wish to join in any unnecessary public bashing of PA (which I feel has been occurring a little too often as of late - perhaps justifiably so, I don't know), the house which, as we've been told, we're guests in.

I'm sure none of us yet feel like just another brick in the wall - but rather unique and worthy elements of an impressive and diverse structure - so I don't intend to promote any sort of self-destructive demolition, but...

- - -

I think these are valid questions Floor is asking and I think this action sets an important precident. If we're to consider ourselves as a supportive community and our neighbours begin to disappear for unjust reasons then we should seek explanation from our council.

While I didn't agree with everything Edward Alexander (EA) posted, I found his contributions to be of above-average quality and often provided food for thought. I thought his real-life position was also unique and valuable to this forum.

I, too, was surprised by EA's banning... I would like to think that the mods know something we don't, or otherwise had better sight of what was going on with EA's activity... And did he receive warnings?

To the mods: It's understood that your decisions regarding membership on this forum aren't made pending public approval but, honouring transparency, could you outline what exactly EA did to deserve banning on the grounds of:


"...promoting/showcasing themselves,
their own websites, philosophies, products, services or
other unrelated teachings..."

This forum is full of opinion and the sharing of knowledge - the quality of which makes it great. However...

1. What distinguishes an individual "promoting/showcasing" from simply expressing their thoughts/feelings or sharing knowledge they've gained?

2. How do you define an "unrelated teaching"? Is it merely by moderator discretion?

3. If you're going to ban people based on their expression of membership to real life organisations, subscription to a specific teaching or on their sharing of a personal website, how are any of us to feel safe in full disclosure of our personality?

- - -

I don't wish to sound accusatory, but this feels a little bit like:

First they came for the communists... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hello

My post may seem off-topic but I think it is not.

Is it possible to add some kind of tag to indicate what kind of feeling reader has after reading messages in any given thread? I know there is "rate this thread" tool but there is no filter for sifting out low rated ones... And it "rate this thread" tool is not easilly seen or "advertised" in any way... I think it should also be a transparent mechanizm so everybody could check what rating everybody has given to the thread.

Ex. I read some thread that makes me sad. So I mark it as dark. I read another one thet makes me feel much better and I mark it as light. Then I am able to filter out all sad posts. Dark/Light is just my proposition. I can easily see room for shades of grey or rainbow collors :) Or $$$ signs...

Do not take me wrong:
1) I do not want anybody banned for posting sad posts. I think everybody should express himself freely... but we mutualy should respect each other feelings and free will...

2) I do not want to "ignore" sadness so I can live in bliss. I just do not want to give my energy to source of this sadness. Remember. Every time you focus on sadness, especially if you get angry at source of it you feed that source and it grows bigger making more sadness. If you focus on saddnes not of sheer curiosity but with intention to send love to the source of it that source will diminish with time. I hope you comprehend my point...

I would like to see some balance gauge indicating how many there is light vs dark posts but I would like to read only brigth ones and send my love to all those dark...
I would probably had little to read after applying my light filter :( So be it :)

Everybody have free will. Everybody can choose what they are attracted to. There should also be some rules of the game that gives equal chances to all.

The only reason for banning should be if someone notoriously marked dark threads as light or light as dark...

Thank you for taking your time to read my post...

[edit]
I have almost forgotten to add that we tend to divide ourselves so TPTB can eassily conquer us. We should unite and love instead. Together we are strong. Dividing makes us weak...

How about subforum tittled "Banned" with explanation of reason for banning and a chance for "convicts last words"?

[StateOfTheHeart]

Light/Dark rating idea

I think that's a brilliant idea(!), and while not a bad place (in contrast) to voice the suggestion, it is off-topic in this thread and I reckon you should start a new thread about it in Forum Technical Q&A (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?90-Forum-Technical-Q-A). I know what you mean by it not being off-topic, but perhaps just use this thread as a reference for the suggestion elsewhere?

[ktlight]

We all have our own filters. The thanks button indicates the value of the post, and not many press the thanks button.

Your idea would indicate how many see through the same or similar filters, as I see it.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Here is my reply to EA and it will be the last as I have bee quite clear here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=303102&viewfull=1#post303102).



You are coming with such claims, yet you come from a site itself that
have made lots of money on the visitors, at one point even REQUIRING
a donation to even be able to participate.


How Bill Ryan chooses to mange this site is really his business. And in recent times I know he has made a pledge that this forum will be free from ads.



Virtually all sites these days have some advertisement from them.


This is again not true. Project Avalon being one of them, and a few others featured here.



With your logic you have to close down all threads and remove links where
anyone else have posted to sites they happen to own which has some
form of adsense or similar.

That is correct! This is the policy of this site and forum and we actively enforce it. This is not the first account that has been closed for this reason and will not be the last.



You reason for banning me is ludicrous and I assume that means a large
amount of the other members must be qualifying for the same since many
own some websites that they make money through either by selling own
products / services - something you , Project Avalon, do yourself


I am not aware, at this time, of any other member that is promoting their website (with ad sense or other ad or referrals on it) via Project Avalon. When we do find such case we deal with them on a case by case basis. Your claim, on the Project Avalon forum, that you do not make money from your site is ludicrous and a lie.



Will forward the emails and reason you have provided for doing so to
Bill and request a reactivation of my account..


Of course you can do that, but you should know that Bill Ryan has been included in all the communications we've had with you.


I don't make any money from anyone visiting my website.
This is an obvious lie for anyone who knows what Ad Sense is, what Amazon referrals are and how are they used: to make money from people visiting your web site.



Also, I've been here since the very start of Camelot, close to 10 years, and I've known Billy & Kerry for all those years and had many great times with them, and also provided them with some inside information they've published earlier. I'm what I am, no lies or deceit, and I speak the way I chose to speak.

This is another "untruth". Project Camelot was only formed some five years ago, in April 2006 (http://projectavalon.net/about_us.html). Not really close to 10! More close to 5.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

StateOfTheHeart, I have done as you suggested :) Thank you :)
Ktlight, how can I filter out threads according to thank/logged in views ratio? Without my proposed filter I am litterary forced to read all posts to determine their "feeling color". If author of the message could do it herself it would be easier for readers to choose the content they want to read. Am I clear on this? :) I'll post this idea to the new thread in Forum technical Q&A

[pickle]

Taken from Pleiadian Talk:


Again we experience how "frontiers of Truth" do the opposite and force down those who speak the truth. They decide what is the Truth, and direct it through their dictatorship based on disinformation, deceit and confusion of peoples belief and knowledge.

The above paragraph, talking of 'frontiers of truth'... from a secret society? Are you taking the Mick?

Before you released your truth, it was kept from 'the public', you decide when to release your truth when you think it's time for us poor mortals. I find your generosity underwhelming, much like most goverments and institutions that release information when it suits their agenda. And a tip for you Edward, if you really want to make a go of your 'Secret-But-It's-Not-Really-Because-We'll-Tell-You-When-We-Think-You-Should-Know-Society', you might want to brush up on the definition for 'Condescending'.

As for the reason for the ban..... maybe the mods got this wrong, maybe they didn't, but please don't come here bleating about how unfair it is for you - you've benefitted from a massive amount of traffic to your blog that you otherwise wouldn't have had. Hypocrisy is alive and well.

[greybeard]

We all have our own filters. The thanks button indicates the value of the post, and not many press the thanks button.

Your idea would indicate how many see through the same or similar filters, as I see it.

I thanked you ktlight mainly because you generously use the thank you when you feel it is appropriate.
Posters do need encouragement and I think the thank you button is an excellent way of doing this.
I have no opinion on the opening post but I find the mists of Avalon to be full of good information
Chris

[Lord Sidious]

We all have our own filters. The thanks button indicates the value of the post, and not many press the thanks button.

Your idea would indicate how many see through the same or similar filters, as I see it.

I thanked you ktlight mainly because you generously use the thank you when you feel it is appropriate.
Posters do need encouragement and I think the thank you button is an excellent way of doing this.
I have no opinion on the opening post but I find the mists of Avalon to be full of good information
Chris

This is another point we agree on Chris, the thanks button has many uses/meanings, but encouragement is one of the best, in my opinion.

[ulli]

Before accusing Avalon of being unfair with yet another thread I wish you had investigated a bit about the depth of the investigation which Ilie and others did here which resulted in the discovery of the big scam Edward Alexander is running all over the web, by entering forums where he can create enough of a stir to increase traffic to his sites.

This man is running a massive scam, call it business if you want, using forums like Avalon (which he referred to as his "clean" sites, as well as others not so clean sites) just to get visitors to click on his posted links.

I was defending him at one point myself, but realized when he didn't know who Barabara Marciniak was, even though he had a website called Pleaidiantalk, that something was not quite right, and that he was lying.

Thank you Ilie and friends for a briliant investigation!

[Marsila]

hmm well i wouldn't have clicked on Edward Alexanders post if not for all the pages...and i'll be honest i never read the first post that caused all the controversy.

but i'll be honest i think for now this ban is good for both sides.

I dont' agree that he was given a fair chance to come clean, because the feeling i got, from many members language...reminded me of school bullies, when the popular ones gang up upon the weird kid (sorry to EA but if you go on about occult and bloodlines etc, this is how you'll seem to many people, a bit naive to do that to).

Even if i thought the way he introduced himself was wrong, that ganging up on someone forced me to say something. Other things is you dn't know what is in people's minds, the capital of Argentina where he says he posts from has more psychiatrist per person than any other city, so expect all kinds of people. (but scam artists are more than plentiful to over there of late)

now the part that really confuses me is the making money part. The government there has so many 'controls' on the money coming in and out of the country ever since 2002, that it's a bit silly to start a website to make money. A) website hardly make any money (b) the hassle and fees aren't worth it at all. It isn't as simple as in the US where you just exchange pesos, and in a second they give you dollars, unless things changed since i was last there 2 years ago, and things don't change there.

HOWEVER, i do think this is better for everyone. after what this forum has gone through since the start of the year, and only recently did i manage to read a lot of that, people are paranoid for a good reason.

A lot of members were showing a negative side that they don't show usually, and sorry but really almost 'bullying' this guy for answers rather than finding more passive ways of getting it.
and it is good for him to stay out of here, and reconsider directing people to his website, if it is all adverts and telling people he is 'grandmaster' of god knows what etc...i thought one of project avalons main rules is you don't advertise personal websites and Ilie suggestion was right he should have just gone 'hi my name is Edward and i am a researcher etc etc' I sent him an email ago and was as friendly as i could be, he never answered it, yet he was busy being defensive here, so a step back is good for him to.

the part i didn't like at all is the one someone researched in which he said something about belonging to a "white brotherhood", i really hope it is not what it sounds like and if it is, why the hell is it in South America?? even if in a country with predominately European ancestry we don't need it!!

but moving on that is another negative episode here, instead of lamenting it, how can we change it to something positive, and help people find more civil ways of showing displeasure??

[ktlight]

Great post, Marsila. All sorted, was it within the month? I totally agree that PA members should find another way to express disagreement and not come across as bullies or charging like an army ready to kill.

[Marsila]

Thank you Ktlight it was like 2 weeks ago, i don't remember, but no answer until now.

sigh, everyone has there reasons to do what they do, and i know it takes much more effort to be nice than show anger, and then the moderators do have to make sure no more 'distress' is caused to members here, but sometimes it all happens in a way that is not harmonious at all, because even the moderators are people who maybe sick and tired from all what is going on, and who knows what is going on in there house or office or wherever they post from. I'm not for balance as it doesn't exist, but i would like more harmony in our actions.

I liked the way you handle things when people have a problem with some of your posts, but not many people have that personality, or try to learn from it....

[ulli]

instead of lamenting it, how can we change it to something positive, and help people find more civil ways of showing displeasure??



Maybe some people don't want to be civil?
I have been wondering this myself, and I don't think there are easy answers.

It is clear to me that some people have a very special gift; they realize long before others when there is a fraud amongst us.
They just KNOW, yet they have no proof....so how can they ring the warning bells in a civil manner?
They just tackle the suspect, to see how he might react...and then those reactions can show the rest of the forum who are more gullible what is really behind the "Grand Master".
Sierra's perceptiveness (as an example) is way superior to mine, and in future I will pay more attention when she cries wolf.

[ktlight]

ulli, I would be deeply grateful if Sierra could slide in, rather than attack. Nothing wrong with what she says, otherwise. Moderators have a particular reason to always show respect. Just my 2pennyworth.

[Ria]

Regarding AE I would like a better understanding of whats going on. Not all of it was my cup of tea that dose not mean it was'nt a good thread. If some expresses an intrest in what you are doing, involved with, and that happens tobe linked to some aspect of your work. after all it could be life saving for the the person concered. I do not think blatent advertising is accetable. BUT if some says I have desigined a free energy device of some sort, I would like to know abought it, and possibly buy it.
Bill advertises his seminars, I know it is his site, can discretion be brought in? If a friend of mine came up with something worth while. I would not mind telling people about it.

[ktlight]

I have seen others advertise their stuff in this forum and it has been of no concern to me. Should it be?

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All ...I only crossed threads with Edward on one of his first posts about Mars, Which he had his own views on. Not all corresponding to mine which was fair enough and when I asked what he thought of Richard Hoagland, Andrew Basiago, John Lear, Mike Barra ( Richard Hoaglands writing partner),he had not heard of some of them and did not follow their work !! J P Skipper who he knew and said he had some correspondence with.Though he found some of his work good,he thought some of his conclusions ludicrous. As for the photos from the start of the post they were from JP Skipper and Andy Basiagos web sights, which were good and Edward made some fair comments about them, but his overall dimissiveness of all the leading Mars researchers in our field surprised me.
Anyway from there me and Ecnal thought it quite amusing how his arrogance was coming across 'Grand master of the universe or not' and he is is obviously allergic to the thankyou button.......
Who did he thank by the way ?
I looked on his site early on and saw the link to buy the masonic regalia and almost fell off my chair laughing, that was that for me. Granted he may well be a expert on some of his other posts and if members were enjoying his info great. But as a litmus test of my own I did not reasonate with him, though I have no view on wether he should have been banned, thats upto Bill and the M O D s.

P.S. I don't normally comment on these situations but Not Knowing Hoagland & Lear is a crime against the alternate community ....LOL ...Steve......( That is a pun, just in case !!)

[ThePythonicCow]

While I didn't agree with everything Edward Alexander (EA) posted, I found his contributions to be of above-average quality and often provided food for thought. I thought his real-life position was also unique and valuable to this forum.

I, too, was surprised by EA's banning... I would like to think that the mods know something we don't, or otherwise had better sight of what was going on with EA's activity... And did he receive warnings?

To the mods: It's understood that your decisions regarding membership on this forum aren't made pending public approval but, honouring transparency, could you outline what exactly EA did to deserve banning on the grounds of:


Edward was not banned for his views. Yes, some found his posts to have good substance (though not not everyone found them so ... a common situation, and that's fine.)

He was banned because his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research, a sufficient portion of which we posted, was not truth seeking, but revenue seeking.

He was a dishonest seeker of personal profit, as he has been on other major sites over the years, including for example AboveTopSecret (ATS), where he was banned two years ago, for doing much the same thing he was doing here now (as they stated on ATS, and as Edward -knows- they stated, for he quotes them in something he posted on one of his websites after the fact, so his claims above that ATS banned him for no stated reason are false, or at least artfully phrased.)

While Edward was a member here for about eight months (not the "many years" he claims, above), he had only one post until a few weeks ago, when he started several major threads in rapid succession, containing links to several of his websites, one of which (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=296612&viewfull=1#post296612) he even stated was for him "to make a couple bucks" (contradicting other claims he made.)

I realize that such matters can be difficult to explain.

In these last few weeks, Edward posted much, and received many replies. Perhaps no one has read every word on each of his threads.

Members will, reasonably enough, read what they find of interest, and then be surprised when someone is banned -- for what they read seemed worth reading (they probably wouldn't have kept reading it otherwise.) We admins/mods can post our research, as we have done, but no one is likely to have read all we posted, and we only posted a small fraction of what we found. Several of us spent days checking and cross checking the information, verifying history, posts, websites, ownership of websites, ...

So, I understand. By what you saw, he should be still be here. By what I and the other admins and mods and some other members saw, he should have been banned a week sooner than he was.

Such it is.

[Ria]

Sorry, I had long interruption when making my last thread. I think AE is clear on some things, and fuzzy on others. I think my question has been answered about him. My interest is if someone has something worth while / benefit or beautiful, how do we share this.
And I definitely do not wont adverts flashing at me or creeping in round the corners.

[Marsila]

instead of lamenting it, how can we change it to something positive, and help people find more civil ways of showing displeasure??



Maybe some people don't want to be civil?
I have been wondering this myself, and I don't think there are easy answers.

It is clear to me that some people have a very special gift; they realize long before others when there is a fraud amongst us.
They just KNOW, yet they have no proof....so how can they ring the warning bells in a civil manner?
They just tackle the suspect, to see how he might react...and then those reactions can show the rest of the forum who are more gullible what is really behind the "Grand Master".
Sierra's perceptiveness (as an example) is way superior to mine, and in future I will pay more attention when she cries wolf.

Hi Ulli, I agree with you, and I don't. Many times i just "KNEW" something was wrong without proof, and I was right. Many times i "KNEW" i was right without proof...only for life to show me i couldn't be more wrong.

sorry but if i'm singing a song and the tune is horrible to someone's ear, and instead of them telling me to just shut up cause i clearly have no singing talents and its clear i'm not a soprano, they come and push me over, i imagine i'd do the same to them instead of changing the tune. but i don't know i noticed i'm a passive person in real life, i can't afford to waste my energy on that, but sometimes i do.

As for the being civil part. i don't know.Just because we don't want to do something, is it okay not to do it.
when i go out i dress up nicely and etc, not because i want people to think i've got great style but because it is respectful to others whether you know them or not, to show that you've shown some consideration to people even the one's you don't know. and most of the time people reply in kind when shown a kind gesture.

I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.
in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".
Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

[Marsila]

So, I understand. By what you saw, he should be still be here. By what I and the other admins and mods and some other members saw, he should have been banned a week sooner than he was.

Such it is.

Thank you Paul, this does clear a lot, but i still think we should not be aggressive in public because naive people like me will just feel sorry for the person attacked without bothering with the full story. i've just seen to much of people being horrible to each other, i don't like to keep shut about it.
and that just gives the person you are trying to show as a fraud more power in a way.

[sygh]

I found EA's information quite interesting, most especially since he was bringing a secret order out of the closet, so-to-speak. However, I highly respect the ban on advertisement here, as I do know how Google's ad sense works. The ads showing on any website in question are related to the content of the site. If a visiter clicks on it, the owner of the site gets paid. A site owner can even get paid for the number of visits the site gets over 20,000. It's not bad to get paid for work done. But here's where it gets mirky: Google explains: The better your ads blend into your site, the less the visiters to the site will see the ads as ads. In other words, the ads will be thought of as an extension of the site.

When I think of this, Infowars immediately comes to mind. The ads I see at Infowars, don't offend me; however, I don't agree with some of the things sold on Alex's site. Now, when I visit his site, I am automatically associated with those ads, on a broader scale. In an "internet" sense, I am now part of a larger group, as seen by the PTB, or other such pea-counters, including the extensive world of advertiseing.

Not having advertisements on this site has been a big issue in the past. A decision was purposely made to keep this site free of ads. That does mean this rule has to be enforced periodically. By extension, this also means members of Avalon who have their own web sites, and possibly many web sites with advertisements on them, should take caution when speaking about them on this forum.

That said, there are many, many, many whistleblowers, along with awake and aware Avaloneans who have their own sites. Quite a few adveritse their wares by speaking about them during interviews, and on the forums. This falls into the catagory of books and websites, even goods they sell on their web sites, along with interviews they've given on other sites, (sites with ads, I might mention), up and coming conferences, etc...

But here is what you won't see at Avalon: you won't see say, David Wilcox coming in as an Avalon member willing to talk about his experiences, or findings, and then saying well, I've already covered that subject in detail on my own site, and you can go XhereX to see it (cha-ching!). Avalon isn't an umbrella company for other site promotion, or casting a net that spans across a river. Its a fine line, I admit, between telling your truths, and self-promotion. None the less, there is a line.

I don't think EA should be permantly banned at this time though, unless he has been given warnings prior to this, or the mods have seen something we have not, concerning his other sites. I do understand the caution the mods are taking, especially after Charles came in and flagrantly used this site to create his own, using Bill's endorsement as a spring board, prior to Bill's total awareness of how he was being played.

[ThePythonicCow]

i've just seen to much of people being horrible to each other, i don't like to keep shut about it
Sure ... and that is something each of us can do our part on ...

Any mod team sufficiently tyrannical to insure no mistreatment would be sufficiently suppressive to ensure no forum.

The very energy which is so vital to our engaging in life and with each other cannot be purified of all imperfections in our treatment of each other.

In the particular case of Edward Alexander, some of us thought that his boasting and deceptive posts were mistreating his reader, and that flushing that out was a service to fellow members.

The tides and riptides of human emotion are more complex than the conscious portion of my brain can entirely fathom.

[WhiteFeather]

Although Edward had a great wealth of information to share with us on P.A. Personally, something didn't resonate correctly with me. What was his motive here i asked myself many times. Maybe now thinking or remote viewing Edward, is it possible he lures people to his site and recovers there IP address's? Is this possible. Sure it is. My proverbial spider senses started to tingle with him from the starting gate. Just Felt like another Chatticus Story trying to manifest all over again. Don't Shame me Twice. That's my perspective. I have a hard hat on just in case some of you want to take a few wacks on me head.

~Be Love~ W.F.~


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kek3GqbsTk&feature=related

[spiritguide]

Life is full of guidelines....ie. don't touch the hot stove or you will be burned. There are many more guidelines everywhere to help us and protect us, usually if we ignore the guideline we will realize it's wisdom. So the end result here is apparently a hot stove was touched and the victom that did so got burnt! Enough said.....

Peace! :laser:

[ulli]

I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.

in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".

Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the
moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

I understand your point totally, and you are right, there is no excuse for aggressiveness. As far as I remember Sierra has already apologized, and I don't want to comment further on what went on there. Nobody is perfect.

That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes and I think that getting this clarified is still the main topic of this thread.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

:painkiller:

[ThePythonicCow]

That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes
Well said.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I have no problem with referencing outside material to give credence to a position.
That is pretty basic stuff really.
I question when someone says "Oh I've written pages on that on my blog/website."
If they say it twice I wonder why.
When they do it more than three times I question whether they are in a forum "environment" for any reason beyond self promotion.
Big Ed repeatedly referenced his websites.

I actually reckon it's really easy:

If you want to present a position/concept/belief, approach the "staff" (moderators, administrators) or "owner" (Bill) first.
Get their permission.
Don't self promote (ie if you aren't prepared to explain your position then don't present your position).

Imagine being in a pub and someone says "the pub down the road has beer and free food!"
How long will that person be welcome by the owner, staff and locals?

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[learninglight]

Bravo Avalon mods :))

I welcomed him as i thought at last we would get some insider info from the horses mouth so to speak
I followed his 'grand master' thread HOPING he would give some juicey details but all he did was tell us a lot of what anyone could find on the web.
So i sat back and just watched him dig himself a big big hole knowing he would be pushed into it soon enough lol

much love

[Marsila]

I agree the moderators more than others should have a good sense about the people posting. Sierra does have age on her side to. and i agree that this ban is good for all sides involved as that guy was using this website in a way the forum guidelines said not to do so.

in addition anyone that read into these matters knows a freemason would never come and post here and say that is what he is, not after all the effort they put into getting into that "club".

Clearly from the first post above to talk about the owner off project avalon (Bill Ryan) as if they were BFF is a symptom of a huge ego problem and blindness. as this is where the vibes of 'scam' come from. So i do appreciate what the
moderators here do.

but I still can't find a good excuse for being aggressive in public, in personal pm's its one thing....but it turned into a show...

I understand your point totally, and you are right, there is no excuse for aggressiveness. As far as I remember Sierra has already apologized, and I don't want to comment further on what went on there. Nobody is perfect.

That man set up major deception plots to lure vast numbers of people into his personal profit making schemes and I think that getting this clarified is still the main topic of this thread.

Hi again Ulli
err where did i mention Sierra for begginers?? i said ganged up...ie more than one person...i appreciate you defending her, but the only reason i mentioned her is you mentioned her first. she really wasn't on my mind otherwise.

other than that....i'm moving on to much more fruitful threads than here, this is already turning to waste of many things....

[thunder24]

I like wade frazier, is he not also promoting his work....just curious
I like omni-verse too, what about him... is he going to be kicked out also?

peace

4. SELF-PROMOTION
1.Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
2.Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon feel free to post in Networking Products and Services

[astrid]

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/cybercrime-costs-338bn-to-global-economy-more-lucrative-than-drugs-trade/57503

[StateOfTheHeart]

This is an obvious lie for anyone who knows what Ad Sense is, what Amazon referrals are and how are they used: to make money from people visiting your web site.


Thanks. That's the kind of intel I was after to flesh out the reason for permanent bannage. I figured the mods would be onto something like that.


Edward was not banned for his views.

He was banned because his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research, a sufficient portion of which we posted, was not truth seeking, but revenue seeking.

I realised he was linking his website a lot - but I've seen other people do the same (blogs/artwork, that kind of thing) and so was wondering, why him? - I didn't realise EA was profiting from people visiting. Thanks a lot for doing the research and reaching that conclusion and making PA a better place :)

[ulli]

I like wade frazier, is he not also promoting his work....just curious

peace

4. SELF-PROMOTION
1.Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
2.Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon feel free to post in Networking Products and Services

Thunder, I'm not quite sure what point you are making here about Wade Frazier... I hope you are not comparing him to Edward Alexander?
His thread was actually created by Bill Ryan personally, who as forum owner would have the final say in the matter.

[thunder24]

so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....

like i said i like wades work and omni....

peace

its just a question ulli, thats all

[panopticon]

so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....l

G'day thunder24,

You are correct.
If someone approaches the owner of a site and asks permission then the owner has the right to say "I respect your opinion, yes you can post on my forum, I will even create a sub-forum for you so you can use your own work as reference material".

I reckon it's just a case of good manners.
If someone doesn't do this then the guidelines can be applied.

Bill, as the owner, and the Administrators and Moderators, as his "staff", have the right to enforce the forum guidelines. They also have the right to make exceptions to them as they see fit and reverse the decision if they see fit.

If someone is concerned about posting their "personal" material then ask permission.
The worse that can happen then is they are told "no".

That way everybody knows where they stand.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[the trojan]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29914-Do-We-Plan-Our-Lives-Before-We-re-Born

what about this? is this fair enough?
I know the person who posted the link is only wishing to share something they consider worth sharing.
Is it the aggressive approach to marketing that ea was using.
What if David Icke was a member here and in his posts reminded people about articles on his blog or what he wrote in one of his many books,
What if others promoted or suggested the links instead.
We are definitely questioning pyramid systems of control on this and probably a lot of other forums.

I have left two forums in the past year due to the site owners telling everyone it was their site
and therefore what they said goes,I left with no fuss,i just stopped going,maybe said bye bye.

I think its a bit of a dilemma and i have no solutions

[mahalall]

Time for a wee Entr'acte,

Fair play to Edward for standing for what he represented and not walking away in silence,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQSpJfpVHmg

As for the Avalonions who are still enjoying the party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFPLk5mJ1D4

[<8>]

Hi Guys and Edward..


Anyone who read Edwards thread about the 1000 year old secret whatever.. And saw my posts there, did not have to read between "my" lines to know i did not trust Edward.

Believe me or not, i did not want this ending we have here now. The other day i stopt myself posting something i wrote to Edward, i feelt in my heart it was wrong of me to pressure
you more Edward. (So i just thankt you and let it go)

Even though Edward seem to had side goals of spreading his word on this site, i think we all learnd alot.
I personally will keep more cam when faced wid similar experience in the future.



Thanks for your lesson Edward

[Carmody]

Yes, to all, etc. But Ulli's point about having a site called pleiadiantalk, and not knowing who a relevant connected person is.

It's like talking about Ford cars, Ford development...and having a Ford website...and not knowing Who Carrol Shelby is.

A main design or purpose of those who are sent out to infiltrate websites where people gather, people who know that 'mundane' reality is not even close to being the whole truth or 'energy package' that can be addressed FROM this mundane space... or connected to or enlarged upon from this mundane space....a main concern and action among those who desire to stop such things...is to break up any head of steam or overall 'head-space' that the given site may be able to create.

A Buddhist or spiritualist can get quite far if they separate themselves from all external influences, and external connections. Heck, they can make it right to the top of the thing, with regard to breaking open their own shell.

Buddhists go into a cave in isolation for a reason. A dang good one.

And that is: ANY interference at all, breaks it down so they can't crack themselves open. The given spirit in the human avatar barely has enough of what it takes to get to the top of the surface of this thing..and even a few pebbles in your spiritual pockets is enough to prevent that emergence.

However,those who are on their way up, or have been there before, or are here to to do specific things..they can join in a group and help each other do that. To do it together. To help others. To be dragged down, but to elevate at the same time.

So, in essence, allowing giant holes to form in the community balloon rising attempt is just sheer foolishness.

Infiltrators are designed to do that exact thing. To take any energy or vibration, if you will, to take that energy away, to divert, to break up, to separate, to divide, to ruin, to discolor, to shift, to distract.

And any one of those things will do. Any. Inducement of disagreement, creation of separation, distraction, all of it.

Innocent looking but with much deeper intent. Realized by those who do it, or not, it still stands as what it is.

The most important thing to understand is that, in the end, the only thing the Buddhist needs to get their head and avatar cleared so their connection on/in the waking state can be made..is their head. That's it. Nothing more is required. Just about every other thing on this planet is a distraction.

It comes down to self realization and self governance.

[TigaHawk]

so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....

like i said i like wades work and omni....

peace

its just a question ulli, thats all


So bill hosts a webpage full of information and video's, and part of the website is a forum for people to discuss this material and matters relating too it.

He opens this website to the public - with a screening process to help weed out trolls/bots/undesirables like you see on ATS - and encourages people to chat about stuff.

Wades and Omni both have done up their own sites, that CONTAIN HELPFULL INFORMATION - they've advertised it once in a main thread dedicated too it - and where apropriate (ie - someone is talking about the subject - they link in their site which contains more information about the same subject) - This here is, if you want to get realy technical to prove a point - advertising. But there is no profit, other than the chance of the person whom reads it profiting by gaining knowledge/wisdom.

The vital difference is - there is no personal gain by either Bill, Wade or Omni. With Mr Alexander, Money comes into the equasion.

Another vital point is - This is Bills site, Everything he advertises is his work, or stuff directly related too it. Something about it being his site, his own videos which he made from scratch, himself, edited, then uploaded for the benefit of others. I think you're attempt at trying to relate Bill's "advertising" to the kind E.Alexander tried is like comparing apples and oranges.

Taking into account this person was banned from ATS for the exact same thing, and if warning bells dont go off when you go to that site and find it contains no content other than "this forum is for this! and welcome!" - then i worry for you.



On another note - It realy is nice to see people jumping up to defend someone whom they feel is treated unfairly. But i realy wish people would RESEARCH INTO THE STUFF THEY'RE PLACING SO MUCH TIME/EFFORT/EMOTION into before blindly following it. Is this not one of the things we're suposed to pride ourselves apon as part of being awake? Being able to see thru the bull, researching it ourselves, and coming to a conclusion that sits right with our hearts?

[Lazlo]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck, smells like a duck, and talks like a duck....

It's a duck.

After that you can leave it up to the Audubon Society to tell you if it's an Eider, Scoter, Merganser, or Teal.

I would like to extend thanks to our own moderating team of bird enthusiasts here on Avalon for a job well done.

[ulli]

@Carmody
His ignorance of Barbara Marciniak was not the only point that made me come to my conclusion about him, it was however the beginning of my doubts...enough to make me pay more attention to his hecklers, and what it was they were so concerned about. If I'm going to read someone's statements I want to be sure they are telling the truth. So I started digging deeper.
He also had no clue who Richard Hoagland was. Then I saw his identical postings on other forums,
which made me wonder, why was he copy/pasting his stuff all over, why not write each message independently.
Then I looked at a video in which he talked about being the Grand Master.
And there in the background were all kinds of third world village noises, chickens, mopeds...things that made me wonder if he really was the Grand Master of a Secret Society and if he was telling the truth.
When compiling evidence it is the overall weight of that evidence that makes the judgement, not one single piece.

Question is why judge him at all?
My personal thing is about motives...my own motives are scrutinized all the time, and sometimes I like to put my magnifying glass on others, especially if they make extraordinary claims.

[mountain_jim]

I read and found some value in EA's threads. So I thanked the creator of this thread's first post. Then I read the rest of the thread, and came to agree with the decision and reasons for the unsubscription. Good thing there is a 'remove your thanks' button. :)

I also was shocked into alertness by the fact that his website was named as it was and he did not know who Barbara Marciniak was. Then I remembered he did not know who any of the Mars anomalies research folks were either.

So no problem with this mods decision by me - clearly he was mis-representing himself and profiting by it here. (and it was this thread which changed my views to this point)

[Carmody]

The time for some forms of individual and group lessons are over, regarding this cycle. We've finished the need to enslave ourselves to nebulous unknowns, such as religion and the dark unknowns/machinations of money.

2160 years later (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age), we move into Aquarius, which is electric and connected. To learn the lessons of functional connected community. Aquarius has it's dark sides, no doubt, as do all the cycles.

From the Link:

Historical similarity: Current/Projected

Traits of Aquarius such as being 'humanitarian' but at the same time 'unemotional' may indicate to the emergence of active intergovernmental organizations and global solidarity movements. Alternatively, it may indicate individual New Age spiritual awakening en masse, which although is not organized, spontaneously forms a worldwide 'humanitarian' yet 'unemotional' era of spiritual clarity and spontaneous friendship.

[Agape]

To the original poster ...

Project Camelot is all about not being afraid to say the Truth in open even IF it's inconvenient to manistream media, governments, institutions behind the system that is run by undisclosed individuals and their money to keep everyone small and their mouths shut.
The same people are true believers in secrecy and order and ruling the world with chains and iron gloves.
I am not feeling called to dispute if they are always right/wrong in their tactics, but to follow their hierarchies and wait in the line till they finally promote you to the CEO of their companies is called 'business' , no matter whether it is ancient, family based, religious, technical , or decided by vote .

The world out there is ruled by competition and ambitions for power and those who can befool everyone the smartest way win the round .

And I'm not saying it's all bad ..it's the human 'selection' process where strong win and weaker lose , it's very old one.


The know-how, the secrets are kept hidden , very carefully, to secure your companies growth, whether it's the new iphone or spy satellite or space technology, information is with hold to keep the world business going .

These people can't imagine it would be otherwise because the moment they do, 'their world' crashes. They lose 'their money' . The money that them and their ancestors made from other peoples work. Why, because they were more clever and they still consider themselves so.
Much smarter than the average so why should they care ..about famines and homeless and their neigbours if they can save their own lineage and precious ancestry,
no matter in which Gods name .


So that's about . This forum is its members and people come here to offer information for free , not charging for its value and not letting people wait in queue, at least so I believe .

It may sound like very radical concept but so we are ....for dissolution of secret orders and holding information away from people in the name of Truth.



:rain:

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks carmody Thats my cue as a child of Aquarius to usher in the new era with all the Starseed children leading the way....


kibq2tOwoXo


PS I put different version of this on another thread the other day and I can't stop playing it and smiling , The new dawn is upon us......Cheers Steve..

[Ilie Pandia]

so bill and the mods start a thread about someone its ok for them then to promote their work...but if they don't its not. I thought the guidelines were the guidelines.....thats all....

like i said i like wades work and omni....

peace

its just a question ulli, thats all

This is not "just a question" this is a cheap shot at the mods and Wade Frazier.

If you would have read his site you would know he has no trace of ads, or commissions or referrals. Not only that, but Wade's writing style is "down to earth" and sticking to facts! He provides evidence for his claims that you can look up, and a tons of footnotes about his sources. He has been asked many times to compile his info into a book and sell it and he has refused. Now that is what I call free information!

There is no real comparison between Wade Frazier's case and that of Edward Alexander.

[nearing]

instead of lamenting it, how can we change it to something positive, and help people find more civil ways of showing displeasure??



Maybe some people don't want to be civil?
I have been wondering this myself, and I don't think there are easy answers.

It is clear to me that some people have a very special gift; they realize long before others when there is a fraud amongst us.
They just KNOW, yet they have no proof....so how can they ring the warning bells in a civil manner?
They just tackle the suspect, to see how he might react...and then those reactions can show the rest of the forum who are more gullible what is really behind the "Grand Master".
Sierra's perceptiveness (as an example) is way superior to mine, and in future I will pay more attention when she cries wolf.

I guess I have that gift. I felt it with 'Charles' (is how I met Ineila, in the 'we don't believe this guy thread', lol) and I immediately felt it with EA. I read quite a few pages of the thread in question and never posted as I felt that most were being suspicious enough that they were on the verge of sniffing him out anyway AND I didn't want to jump in the muck. He looked and smelled like a fraudster from the first moment. None of his story made sense and he seemed way too eager to make long, long threads with controversial subjects.

I was relieved when I saw that the thread was locked and that he had been banned. No ill will toward him, it's just that Avalon doesn't need purposefully made up lies here, it's bad enough that we are lied to by TPTW and need to be discerning. A member lying is uncalled for and bad form.

I do wonder what the Mists of Avalon is that you all speak of.

[Lord Sidious]

I do wonder what the Mists of Avalon is that you all speak of.

It is a forum that was formed by ex members of this forum a while back.

[selinam]

Well I didn't do any research on any of his info, but there was something that didn't feel right to me as I read his first post. Nothing I could put my finger on but just a 'feeling'. I didn't use that to judge him in any way but just as a kind of 'placeholder' - to see how things panned out - and now I'm reading this thread!

[Fred Steeves]

There is no real comparison between Wade Frazier's case and that of Edward Alexander.

I thought about the Wade Frazier comparison often during that thing Ilie, but for whatever reason never voiced it. While there are a couple of major disagreements I have with Wade, so what? But, not for a second did I ever doubt his authenticity, regardless of whether Bill started the thread or not. The difference between the two men could not be more clear. Good job mods, and yes, even you Paul.:kiss: Which reminds me, I've got a comment I wish to voice about that on a different thread.

Cheers,
Fred

[zebowho]

I usually don't chime in on these types of threads but the comparison to Wade's thread is not only a cheap shot but lazy. All one has to do is read the first two posts of his thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) and you'll understand that Wade was brought in as a PA Witness (whistle blower). Comparing apples to tomatoes will only leave one exhausted.

I read some (most but not all) of EA's posts, using the word "interesting" would be a stretch. Would I call his "disclosure" truth? Hardly. I've heard that story before, from someone a few years back claiming to be "grand master" of some secret group so EA wasn't even original. Furthermore, wishful thinking will never make someone's "disclosure" true. By saying that I mean, I search for truth just like the rest of us but not so much that I have to have what everyone is saying, some of it just isn't worth the digital page its printed on.

I know the admin/mod team here takes quite a heavy hit on judgment calls (I haven't always agreed either) but I think they nailed this one!

-z

[Floor]

Hello moderator and everyone,

It is okay with me, you made the topic title more specific, but in doesn't reflect what I wanted to express. I did not want to write about "The case of Edward Alexander", I wrote about the fact that he is banned and I am not ok with that, I do not feel any justice or good in it and it feels patronizing, not open, not really searching for truth.
I did not have the intention to discuss him in general. It would be nice we could react on his topics or posts directly. And in this way, he has the opportunity to react on it. So please, re-subscribe him, if he still wants to.

To me it seems, that the fact he says he is a “grandmaster” (of an order), is doing all the harm. But what if he is? It doesn't bother me at all. Let him say what he wants to say. If it is rubbish, so what, do we agree with all the other posts on this forum? I have seen more than one person here of which I felt the alarmbells of “disinformant, this one is fake!!”.
A lot of what he says, is true, I know that (I can only say that for the things I know, so perhaps all is true :) ) Perhaps that is the second point, and probably the most important.., of “what is doing the harm”. If you let it in, that what he says which is true - you recognize it, you have to acknowledge the amount of lies and untrue believes you live (d) in.

I feel he has something to learn in communicating and being with, what he says: “the people”. He is one himself. The first time I saw his thread about “grandmaster of a secret order”, I mistakenly “saw”: “ I am a grandmaster of an secret order, please help me to live among you all – for I was raised in a way to far from you”. Well, that was an interesting mistake of me :)

And I do not think he found the whole picture yet (he is not stating he has). But who does? He insists on: search for yourself.

Did anyone try his meditation, free on youtube..? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOZ32dmPgEA
I like it. I tried it last week and since then I repeated it for it gives very good results, also for my husband. And that is exceptional for us, mostly we do not like those meditations at all.

I hear a lot of talk about money and if he knows certain names. In “mainstream” that is also very important: who do you know, did you read this and this.

I am a lot more interested in discussions about the content he brings up.
Maybe that is a way to keep topics more pleasant. Talk about the content and not digging up all kind of things to credit or discredit the person who is bringing the content.

So, now I did it myself: writing about someone without the possibility for him to react himself as the equal of us, which he is.

Please, take away this flaw of mine and re-subscribe him – if he wants to.

Thanks!!

Floor

Ah I missed a few posts, while writing this. If moderators know more than us, why not speaking about that when dismissing someone. I read in Paul's post: “his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research..” and still he was a member since the beginning of this year, so I saw, it was visible for anyone in each of his posts. I do not understand this.
He had to apply for membership and the moderators knew of him and his doubtfull practices for years and still let him in? I do not understand this as well.

About “The mists of Avalon”, I used the name of a book called this way (in Holland). I didn't know anything about a forum with that name.

I understand feelings of: hmm, who is he, it feels strange. I recognize that. I do not like orders at all, the exclusiveness, the we and she, the occult is also not appealing to me. Also I am wondering if something happened to him, a choice or... But when I study his content, I resonate with a whole lot of it.

You can call me naive, but say, If there is something not okay with him and he is raised in such uncommon environment, why not let him stay, something good can come out of it. So there can be a “we”.

When something “good” or “bad” is coming from a person, it is at any time and at every subject possible that the opposite label is the suitable one and vice versa, etc.

None of the “hmm's” is for me a reason to feel good about banning him. Not at all. I do not feel balance in it. I say: let him speak. Let me/us discover what it is and who he is by letting him stay. If someone is bringing a controversial view that does not immediately appeal to you, that does not mean, it really is nothing, It can be very valuable. I want to sink it in and decide for myself.

But I see, almost all of you who react are satisfied with this decision (to unsubscribe him)

Sorry for my English, it was my worst subject at school.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings! And for allowing this thread!

Good to us all! :)

Floor

[thunder24]

Ilie, your wrong about it being a cheap shot... but I respect your opinion

I did not question Wades work. I made a comparison from the guidelines to get an answer, and now I can't ask one with out accusations. I made a reference from the guidelines, and you talk about adsense...I didn't bring that up, because obviously Wade's work didn't have adsense and yes I looked at his site, prior to posting originally.

Thankyou Fred for voiceing your thoughts NOW;) .

I was not trying to take away energy from the thread, the thought came to mind when reading so I asked...and apparently a respected member wondered the same thing(Fred S.)

Thankyou to the other members that answered the questions also.

Who's emotional?

peace

[StateOfTheHeart]

Floor,

I know EA denies it, but based on what the mods (Ilie, Paul) have mentioned regarding AdSense (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29256-Born-into-a-secret-Bloodline-Order-How-I-got-introduced-to-the-world-of-Occultism&p=303102&viewfull=1#post303102) and other money-generating website functions, I think Edward's representation of himself was deceptive in stating that he was not making any money from his websites; plus his claim to have 'known' Bill and Kerry well for almost a decade and "had many great times with them" and was dodgy (Bill stated they shared some emails ~5 years ago...:rolleyes:). Further, his past offenses (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29926-The-mists-of-Avalon...--The-case-of-Edward-Alexander-&p=303595&viewfull=1#post303595) at other major sites for similar behaviour - and his untruthful response in regard to ATS - do not put the guy in good light.

The guy might be sharing some interesting information (none of it particularly new (what is, under the Sun?)), but he really did make irrelevant proclamations of agrandisement (which is probably a typical con-artist move) and I'm swayed to believe the guy was a bit (or a lot) of a con-artist - I think you should review the facts too...

I think the mods did a great job in researching the case and making the decision they did and they don't deserve to receive any more accusations, nor does PA need its integrity doubted or challenged.

If you're quite keen to keep in touch with EA - I suggest you contact him via his website or his new forums, as suggested by Ilie, though I don't think too many around here would recommend it...

[Ilie Pandia]

There is no real comparison between Wade Frazier's case and that of Edward Alexander.

I thought about the Wade Frazier comparison often during that thing Ilie, but for whatever reason never voiced it. While there are a couple of major disagreements I have with Wade, so what? But, not for a second did I ever doubt his authenticity, regardless of whether Bill started the thread or not. The difference between the two men could not be more clear. Good job mods, and yes, even you Paul.:kiss: Which reminds me, I've got a comment I wish to voice about that on a different thread.

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

I find your post honest and fair! Wade Frazier came here on Bill Ryan's invitation and he has interviews on the Project Camelot website together with Brian O'Leary. I, myself, am quite familiar with his website and I knew that he is not making money of it with any hidden or obvious means. I could not even find a donation button.

You can compare Wade to EA, and probably there are others that did so, but as you've quoted me I said that no "real" comparison could be done. Perhaps my English failed me on this one. What I've meant is that they are very different people with different way of presenting materials. And a real comparison would reveal mostly differences between the two/

[grapevine]

I like wade frazier, is he not also promoting his work....just curious

peace

4. SELF-PROMOTION
1.Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
2.Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon feel free to post in Networking Products and Services

Thunder, I'm not quite sure what point you are making here about Wade Frazier... I hope you are not comparing him to Edward Alexander?
His thread was actually created by Bill Ryan personally, who as forum owner would have the final say in the matter.

I only read up to here on the forum and sorry if this point has been made before but ....... earlier on in the thread Bill gave Edward his blessing so to speak - Bill said he (Edward Alexander) was who he said he was and was known to the forum so we've sort of been here before .......... ??? and because we'e all been here before, we've all trod the same water and nobody's hurt right .....? Let's all just keep an open mind .......

[greybeard]

Speaking of Mods.
How is Dennis?
While I did not always agree with him I have respect for Dennis.
I see he is still a member but no longer a mod.
Paul and he really had to jump in the deep end when the ex mods left-- no easy job
Sorry being off topic
Chris
Ps
A PM with information would be good.

[greybeard]

Thanks to Ilie I am updated.
Dennis is posting again I missed that.

Chris

[Fred Steeves]

There is no real comparison between Wade Frazier's case and that of Edward Alexander.

I thought about the Wade Frazier comparison often during that thing Ilie, but for whatever reason never voiced it. While there are a couple of major disagreements I have with Wade, so what? But, not for a second did I ever doubt his authenticity, regardless of whether Bill started the thread or not. The difference between the two men could not be more clear. Good job mods, and yes, even you Paul.:kiss: Which reminds me, I've got a comment I wish to voice about that on a different thread.

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

I find your post honest and fair! Wade Frazier came here on Bill Ryan's invitation and he has interviews on the Project Camelot website together with Brian O'Leary. I, myself, am quite familiar with his website and I knew that he is not making money of it with any hidden or obvious means. I could not even find a donation button.

You can compare Wade to EA, and probably there are others that did so, but as you've quoted me I said that no "real" comparison could be done. Perhaps my English failed me on this one. What I've meant is that they are very different people with different way of presenting materials. And a real comparison would reveal mostly differences between the two/

Oh boy, I think it was MY English that failed ME on this one Ilie...I have just read my buddy Thunder's post several times that partly concerns me, and was still wondering if I was just reading it wrong, or if like in the movie Cool Hand Luke we had a case of the old "failure to communicate". So, let me see if I can clean up my little mess.

When I mentioned that I had thought several times during EA's thread to compare it with Wade Frazier's thread, what I meant was that there was no comparison between the two, whatsoever. Even though there are a couple of things that IMHO Wade is just flat wrong about, it doesn't matter, nobody agrees with anybody all the time. I HIGHLY respect Wade and what he's been through, have read and learned much from his website, and would defend his honor to the max. This is not because he comes so highly recommended by Bill, but because his humbleness shines through like a beacon of light. In my eyes, accomplishment coupled with humility is the most powerful combination in a person possible.

Judging from my posts on EA's thread, I feel it's safe to assume that I sensed neither one of that combination from the man. The comparison I might have made would have been to basically display the real deal and a fraud side by side. So, hopefully this clears things up?

Cheers,
Fred

[ThePythonicCow]

earlier on in the thread Bill gave Edward his blessing so to speak - Bill said he (Edward Alexander) was who he said he was
Yes, Bill did say he exchanged email with Edward over the last 4 or 5 years.

There were some other things Edward said that Bill has not commented on.

For example, Bill did not comment on Edward's claim to be a Grand Master of a secret society. Bill did not indicate that he had personally met with or had "many good times" with Edward, outside of email.

Several forum members and mods were involved in the investigation of Edward's background, modus operandi and clear motivations more toward making a profit from web site traffic than from truth seeking. Bill was not one of those involved in that investigation.

So ... in general, I would not make the statement that Bill "said Edward was who he said he was".

[Lifebringer]

I believe if the things posted there are of the "worrysome" nature, that the banning was due to the fact taht worrying puts negativity in the vibration and Avalon doesn't want to have negative vibrations coming from it, as it will keep those of the higher dimension from coming here to visit. it really does damage to them and I come to just chat, i already am around negative truthful stuff and here I seek peace and more information on the visitors. While I don't agree with advertisers infiltrating this site where it is everywhere else, money isn't the nature or materialistic worrying about stuff I myself can only change wiht positive prayer, soome things over the last two months have gotten really raunchy and negative. We try to keep it a free and knowlegeabe site, free of FEAR. Perhaps the catastophic links are adding to the fear factor and the owners have the right to screen. Those are the rules and you did agree, not to advertise when on Avalon.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh boy, I think it was MY English that failed ME on this one Ilie...I have just read my buddy Thunder's post several times that partly concerns me, and was still wondering if I was just reading it wrong, or if like in the movie Cool Hand Luke we had a case of the old "failure to communicate". So, let me see if I can clean up my little mess.
Ilie just headed off to get some sleep ... but I'll wager he will sleep a little bit better with your post (if he is aware of it by some sixth sense.) Good post - thanks, Fred.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi all,

WHile I admit that EA gave me a bit of a dodgy feeling, I also thought he offered an interesting perspective sometimes. I know it is too late now, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if instead of being banned he was told to remove all links to this websites and provide no further ones. If it truly was the case that he was here to drum up business then his interest would obviously wane pretty quickly...and problem solved. However, if he legitimately wanted to share info then removing the links should not be an issue as he could just copy and paste the info from his site here, thereby removing the need for people to visit his domain.

[ThePythonicCow]

Ah I missed a few posts, while writing this. If moderators know more than us, why not speaking about that when dismissing someone. I read in Paul's post: “his primary purpose here, as it has been for years and as we well documented from our research..” and still he was a member since the beginning of this year, so I saw, it was visible for anyone in each of his posts. I do not understand this.
He had to apply for membership and the moderators knew of him and his doubtfull practices for years and still let him in? I do not understand this as well.
No, we did not know his intentions from his membership application. Not surprisingly, he did not tell us, nor leave us sufficient clues to learn them at that time.

No, we did not learn his intentions from his posting here until the last few weeks, because from his arrival here in January 2011, until sometime last month, August 2011, he made exactly one post - a rather innocuous post in support of Charles when he arrived in January 2011.

His intentions became suspect soon after he started posting several major threads. From my records, I first stated serious concerns on August 30, 2011 to the other moderators. Myself and some other members and moderators spend a substantial portion of the week following investigating his background and public records, making sure we had it right, before acting to remove his membership.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I came across this totally by accident on You Tube.
Our friend Edward Alexander!!
And selling drugs no less!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/lordshaganoz
http://www.youtube.com/user/lordshaganoz#p/a/u/1/7DGK7wcaMsg
Hurritt


[Mod-edit: I changed the links above to not be live, as I've done with other links on this forum of former member Edward Alexander. Yes - during our research, we found the same links. -Paul.]

[Mark]

I came across this totally by accident on You Tube.
And selling drugs no less!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/lordshaganoz
http://www.youtube.com/user/lordshaganoz#p/a/u/1/7DGK7wcaMsg
Hurritt

wow. pretty expensive drugs at that.


[Mod-edit: I changed the links above to not be live, as I've done with other links on this forum of former member Edward Alexander. Yes - during our research, we found the same links. -Paul.]

[Flash]

I wonder how many alias he has and how much different stuff he is selling on the interenet and through forums. I bet for a dozen alias, whe should be on the look out. He must have a lucrative business altogether.

I also hope this will show the members that believing those who give you this kind of unsubstiated "I am THE ONE" show, with no real background, are often fake and thieft, thieft of money and soul energy as well.

Critical thinking and factual judgment is needed at all time, even if not followed throughout, it is needed to have us remain cautious.

[Unified Serenity]

You know, it really is not like me to call a spade a spade so fast, but after reading this thread, I feel vindicated about my "reading" of EA and what I felt were false intentions. I want to hear what people have to say even if it .. no particularly if it goes against my beliefs. I like to be made to think. I believe my reaction to the EA thread and linking that feeling to the Charles saga was that both these people ventured off to do their own thing. They caused division within Avalon, and tried to create the super class of membership or at least draw members to their site. I have seen sites recommended in threads and not seen a moderator go ballistic. We all visit many sites, and bring some of that information back here. I frequently go to ATS, The Blaze, Prison Planet, WND, Intellicast, Ickes site, Kerry's site, etc.. I like to find out about other sites.

I do think people try to play the "I'm here to tell you a huge story" and they get people all in a lather to simply draw attention to themselves and blamo.... "Oh, btw, I have my own blog which will explain this stuff in more detail" only to find their blog is rehashed info we have discussed here for years. I am all for a real sharing of information, but if it has to be shared by drips and drabs because you think we can't handle it then for me, I simply say let me know up front so I can avoid getting involved.

Thank you moderators for doing per usual, an excellent job!

Serenity

[Unified Serenity]

Yes, to all, etc. But Ulli's point about having a site called pleiadiantalk, and not knowing who a relevant connected person is.

It's like talking about Ford cars, Ford development...and having a Ford website...and not knowing Who Carrol Shelby is.

A main design or purpose of those who are sent out to infiltrate websites where people gather, people who know that 'mundane' reality is not even close to being the whole truth or 'energy package' that can be addressed FROM this mundane space... or connected to or enlarged upon from this mundane space....a main concern and action among those who desire to stop such things...is to break up any head of steam or overall 'head-space' that the given site may be able to create.

A Buddhist or spiritualist can get quite far if they separate themselves from all external influences, and external connections. Heck, they can make it right to the top of the thing, with regard to breaking open their own shell.

Buddhists go into a cave in isolation for a reason. A dang good one.

And that is: ANY interference at all, breaks it down so they can't crack themselves open. The given spirit in the human avatar barely has enough of what it takes to get to the top of the surface of this thing..and even a few pebbles in your spiritual pockets is enough to prevent that emergence.

However,those who are on their way up, or have been there before, or are here to to do specific things..they can join in a group and help each other do that. To do it together. To help others. To be dragged down, but to elevate at the same time.

So, in essence, allowing giant holes to form in the community balloon rising attempt is just sheer foolishness.

Infiltrators are designed to do that exact thing. To take any energy or vibration, if you will, to take that energy away, to divert, to break up, to separate, to divide, to ruin, to discolor, to shift, to distract.

And any one of those things will do. Any. Inducement of disagreement, creation of separation, distraction, all of it.

Innocent looking but with much deeper intent. Realized by those who do it, or not, it still stands as what it is.

The most important thing to understand is that, in the end, the only thing the Buddhist needs to get their head and avatar cleared so their connection on/in the waking state can be made..is their head. That's it. Nothing more is required. Just about every other thing on this planet is a distraction.

It comes down to self realization and self governance.

Hey Carmody,

When I first really questioned EA's posting and said I was calling a spade a spade in regards to his motives, part of that "Spade" was exactly what you posted. That whether someone is going to intentionally cause division, seek to draw people away from this forum there is this feeling I had with EA just as with Charles that we are under an energetic attack to break up the cohesive very friendly and growing energy we have here on Avalon. I expect to see it happen again in the near future, just because I do believe we are a very powerful enlightened soul group here. We are seekers, often opinionated, healers, and and teachers on so many different levels, and it is this mixture where we gain from one another's experiences and sharing with one another that I do believe we are growing immensly. Sometimes it is unseen and the synergy grows and then suddenly a group of us takes a new leap! I don't think TPTB want us leaping as it were.

Your post really nailed it Carmody. If my calling EA a spade so fast bothered people, all I can do is say I'm sorry for upsetting the apple cart as well. I have a natural "Watchman's" calling, and I blow the horn when I see something wrong. Please know that I don't want to cause pain or disruption, but when I read EA, and I do mean energetically all my senses said, "bad vibe" he is going to cause harm and disruption. Is it your right to be harmed and "disrupted"? Sure it is. But, if I see a car coming at you in the road, I will do my damndest (sp) to get you out of the way even if I get hit in the process.

Much love and thanks for the post Carmody.

Serenity

[Flash]

It is sad to me to see that when mods decide to get someone banned based on fundamentally good research werebeing blamed by numbers of people. They did a good job, a tough one and stood up to malignant exploitative manipulator. Excellent, and congrats.

Now on, with a smiling grin, I suggest that all new members proclaiming they are from the top of the pyramid and will teach us what in fact we want to hear, all these should be put on threads with a warning for potential deception, as the channelling threads are for unprovable affirmations . And this that they be referred by anyone including Bill. Once they truly proved themselves, they can then have regular threads. Well, I know this would be difficult to administer, but it is nevertheless a thought.

[bitworm]

I first read the thread in question when it was 4-5 pages long, and something that got my attention right off the bat was the way he structures his text. I have a research interest in detecting bots that pose as people on internet forums. Because I spend a lot of time looking at text, it was obvious to me which text he was banging out on the keyboard and which text was a copypaste job.

About the time people started pulling up his posts from other forums, I became curious about why there were older posts on these other places that were word-for-word copies, and when confronted about it he acted like it was no big deal, and then attempts to belittle people for even bringing it up. And of course, there were the hyperlinks.

So I dug around a bit, using the info he had seemingly had no problem sharing, not expecting to find much. After all, he did invite people to do this. But I did find much, so much that after a couple hours I had to stop, and at that time, I knew I was only scratching the surface. Since Sierra was on the thread at the time (and familiar with it), and is part of the mod team, I sent her what I had found, having a fairly good idea that they were looking into him as well.

I think what I had sent was enough to corroborate what they had already suspected, and most if not all of what I found has been recently posted in that thread. Originally, I had planned to confront him with it publicly as others have in the past, but as you can see in the thread, he is fairly skilled at dodging certain issues, and at the time I was concerned I would make more noise in a situation that was increasingly getting louder.

But the game changes when confronted by someone with the power to close his account. And it also looked as if his days were numbered anyway, since many of you here are very well-versed in the subject matter and were pointing out the contradictions left and right, so I hoped this event would naturally run its course. And then he posted links to an empty forum site. I believe his intentions were to exploit the resources available here to launch his forum. And I also believe that there has been enough of that going on around here over the last year.

This is not the kind of thing I take pleasure in doing, but felt it necessary because a lot of members here didn't fully understand with what/whom they were dealing. The 'material' itself was not of much concern to me; it didn't present the appearance of value, seeing as how it's been plastered over dozens of sites since as early as 2006. It was the method of delivery and the exploitation of this forum and its members that was cause for concern.

Earlier in this thread someone asked why would anyone go to all this trouble just for a few bucks in ad revenue, and stated that since the payout is so small it wouldn't be worth doing. This is true in many cases, a couple blogs and some AdSense blocks is about as far as most people get when it comes to trying to make money online- and the majority give up once they realize it will take them about 6 months to earn the minumum amount (typically $25-$50) to get a check cut. This is when people realize it takes real work to be successful at this thing, and are glad they didn't quit their day jobs. But this guy 'Alex' is not one of those people.

I'm going to go off on an aside here and attempt to explain some of the things that go on in this particular world, which is not the world of secret societies, but the world of internet marketing.

He has been plugging away at this since at least 2006. When something fails, try another approach. when something works, refine it and scale upwards. Know your users. Know where they come from, how long they stay there, know their demographic and understand their behavior. Place 'heatmaps' on your pages that track where the users move their mouse pointers. Do A/B split testing with your ad copy to optimize so that you only spend the big money to run ads that have been proven effective. And drop your backlinks wherever and however you can. But never link directly to your money site, and do whatever you can to minimize your 'footprint' (information that can tie your spammy sites to to your money sites).

It takes more than a few years to get your experience to the level where you're regularly and skillfully doing the things described above, which is approximately the level someone needs to be at to make a comfortable living at it. And this is just a low-intermediate level. I know this because back in 2001, I was at that level. Since then I've moved away from the marketing aspect of it; most of my experience has been focused on the technical side of it (i.e: software development, server config and other Computer Science-oriented activities).

When facebook launched their ad platform, I know people who were spending $25,000 a day on ads, and were constantly begging their CC company and facebook to up their daily spending limits. And on google, if you want your ad to show (in 'sponsored results' and in AdSense blocks placed on relevant sites, or Youtube videos) when users type in competitive terms like 'auto insurance', right now you should expect to spend about $84,000 per day. This is roughly $20 you pay to google every time someone clicks your ad. If the ad is on someone else's site, in an Adsense block, google pays the site owner a portion of that.

If you're the one buying the ads, the formula is simple- on average, for every $X you pay per click, the user should perform an action (could be buying something or just filling out a form) that generates an amount >$X for you. What you actually pay per click for a particular keyword is based on a number of factors like search volume, quality of the site your ad sends them to and the amount others are willing to pay for the term.

In general, when you go to one of these sites in 'sponsored results' the person running the site is acting as an affiliate for one (or several) other entities, and their primary goal is lead generation. There are also product-oriented programs like Amazon Associates (https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/) that pay when the user buys something. But most of what is out there is lead gen, because it is easier to get someone to fill out a form than it is to get them to whip out their CC.

Things like mortgage/refi and insurance leads, you can still find programs paying out $30-$50 per qualified lead. All you have to do is get the user to fill out a form/survey. But keep in mind if you do this, you'll be paying in the area of $20 per click to get the user to your site, whether they fill out the form or not. And the advertiser typically doesn't pay for every single lead, just the ones that pass through their filtering mechanism for bogus data (which is arbitrarily defined by the advertiser what constitutes a qualified lead).

But enough about that. If you are interested in learning more about how this works, how to go about researching and what websites do with the data they collect from you, SEOBook (http://tools.seobook.com/ppc-tools/) is one of the best places to do so, and will give better explanations than I can.

Back to 'Alex', and what he appears to be up to. As he has stated, his sites don't make money directly, but in this context, he is using a very loose interpretation of 'directly', and he is technically correct. Direct monetization tactics would be dropping hyperlinks that have a unique ID embedded in the URL so that when a user visits the URL, the ID is captured by the server- and in most cases, is used to write a cookie to the user's browser. This is how the advertiser knows who sent this user to their site, and credits the affiliate if the agreed-upon action is performed (purchase something or sign up for something).

But since most of the recent links send the user to one of his sites and not directly to the advertiser's site, he can cry all day about how he was banned for no reason, or reason invalid. But we all know by now that once the user gets to one of his sites, it is a different story altogether. And if you have enough control over the web server, you don't even need to have affiliate links (visible to the user) on your site. You can set up internal redirects that are transparent to the user. This is important because like banner ads, many users have developed a blindness to these links, or they hover over the link and see the affiliate ID in the URL.

Anyway, I guess the point I am trying to make is that there are thousands of wannabe internet marketers out there crapping up the net, and there are plenty of successful ones too. But this guy broke rule #1, and as any of you out there who are in the trades know, you don't ever do business with a family member because you're asking for trouble. And there is a reason why our toilets are not next to our refrigerators.

[grapevine]

earlier on in the thread Bill gave Edward his blessing so to speak - Bill said he (Edward Alexander) was who he said he was
Yes, Bill did say he exchanged email with Edward over the last 4 or 5 years.

There were some other things Edward said that Bill has not commented on.

For example, Bill did not comment on Edward's claim to be a Grand Master of a secret society. Bill did not indicate that he had personally met with or had "many good times" with Edward, outside of email.

Several forum members and mods were involved in the investigation of Edward's background, modus operandi and clear motivations more toward making a profit from web site traffic than from truth seeking. Bill was not one of those involved in that investigation.

So ... in general, I would not make the statement that Bill "said Edward was who he said he was".

This is not a Court of Law Paul and nit-picking about what EXACTLY was said and what was omitted after the event is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. However, as a general rule of thumb, it is reasonable to assume that if you get the thumb's up from the Forum Leader that it's a positive reference. But if you want to be like that, Bill didn't say that Edward was NOT who he said he was either.

People like Edward Alexander always reveal themselves at some stage so there's no need for forum members to be aggressive and/or put the boot in. I too was taken aback when he answered my questions that that he was unfamiliar with Barbara Marciniak's work and that the moon was "just a moon". (?)

Odd that he should have been hanging around on the forum for years just waiting to strike now though, especially still being raw from the Charles fall-out :)

[Anno]

I'd have banned him for being full of ****.

[ThePythonicCow]

But if you want to be like that, Bill didn't say that Edward was NOT who he said he was either.
That's correct. Bill was not involved with our research into Edward, and did not comment much one way or the other except regarding the exchange of email containing "useful information" over the last 4 or 5 years.

Yes, my previous reply to you was mostly about getting the facts straight.


Odd that he should have been hanging around on the forum for years just waiting to strike now though, especially still being raw from the Charles fall-out :)

One more fact to get straight :):

Edward hung around for months (not years), and but for one post in January, only posted for weeks.

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I'd have banned him for being full of ****.

That thought might have crossed the minds of some forum moderators as well :).

[sygh]

This thread brings someone to mind for me. Alexander Edward, or is it Edward Alexander? At any rate, I still don't understand why he was banned for-ev-ur. He is real enough. If he really is a Grand Master, he most definitely has information to relay, and a greater understanding of the secret society he oversees than any of us have. Albeit, he is human, and subject to gaps in knowledge, etc. I mean, he was outting the darned thing, opening up for all to see, and understand, and after 700 years of secrecy. Something like this can be investigated. An interview would have probably been better, in his case. Or maybe He needs to gather more information on the subject of the society itself, for matters of history, and then present them.

But, if he was banned merely on the matter self-promotion for profit, shouldn't he be given a second chance to speak, without the links? Or, was he already given many chances?

[Anno]

This thread brings someone to mind for me. Alexander Edward, or is it Edward Alexander? [...]

*Points at the thread title*

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This thread brings someone to mind for me. Alexander Edward, or is it Edward Alexander? At any rate, I still don't understand why he was banned for-ev-ur. He is real enough. If he really is a Grand Master, he most definitely has information to relay, and a greater understanding of the secret society he oversees than any of us have. Albeit, he is human, and subject to gaps in knowledge, etc. I mean, he was outting the darned thing, opening up for all to see, and understand, and after 700 years of secrecy. Something like this can be investigated. An interview would have probably been better, in his case. Or maybe He needs to gather more information on the subject of the society itself, for matters of history, and then present them.

But, if he was banned merely on the matter self-promotion for profit, shouldn't he be given a second chance to speak, without the links? Or, was he already given many chances?

i do not understand this kind of reaction of yours, near gullibility at the minimum. Just read the previous posts. Either you love to be fooled by Masters wannabe to rake in your money while selling you drugs, worst, to rake in your spirit, or you are gullible to the max.

sorry for being so rude, awakening sometimes needs it.

[Fred Steeves]

We are seekers, often opinionated, healers, and and teachers on so many different levels, and it is this mixture where we gain from one another's experiences and sharing with one another that I do believe we are growing immensly. Sometimes it is unseen and the synergy grows and then suddenly a group of us takes a new leap! I don't think TPTB want us leaping as it were.



Perfect!!! Thank you for that United Serenity. That basic thought has been bouncing around my head for some weeks now, but it was still rather ill defined...You nailed it...

Cheers,
Fred

[Isthatso]

This thread brings someone to mind for me. Alexander Edward, or is it Edward Alexander? At any rate, I still don't understand why he was banned for-ev-ur. He is real enough. If he really is a Grand Master, he most definitely has information to relay, and a greater understanding of the secret society he oversees than any of us have. Albeit, he is human, and subject to gaps in knowledge, etc. I mean, he was outting the darned thing, opening up for all to see, and understand, and after 700 years of secrecy. Something like this can be investigated. An interview would have probably been better, in his case. Or maybe He needs to gather more information on the subject of the society itself, for matters of history, and then present them.

But, if he was banned merely on the matter self-promotion for profit, shouldn't he be given a second chance to speak, without the links? Or, was he already given many chances?

He may be 'real enough' for some Sygh and they would definitely be his target audience. Just not enough of his target audience here.

;)

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He lost me when he claimed to know the exact circumstances of Jesus's ordeal 2012 years ago. His claim being that Jesus survived the cross and was nursed back to health before appearing once again to his cohorts.

That is a very bold assertion, just as bold a claim as Jesus never existed or conversely the opposite Jesus died on the cross, descended into the abyss and rose from the dead.

Some parts of the historical narrative of humanity are simply to complex to toss out a simple: A1 to B1 to C1 = D sequence and expect to be believed without a great supporting argument. Before I leave off that line of thought here's the argument:


DEFINE THE WORD GOD

A being matching the consensus definition of god exists.
A being matching the consensus definition of god does not exist.


DEFINE THE ACTIONS OF THE BEING MATCHING THE DEFINITION GOD

The being defined as God knows the truth about the fate of Jesus.
The being defined as God does not know the truth about the fate of Jesus.


DEFINE THE INQUIRY INTENT OF THE BEING MATCHING THE DEFINITION GOD

The being defined as God seeks the truth about the fate of Jesus.
The being defined as God does not seek the truth about the fate of Jesus.


DEFINE THE CULLED REASONING ATTEMPT BY THE INTENDED INQUIRY

The being defined as God seeks this truth as a measure of its involvement.
The being defined as God seeks this truth as a measure of others involvement.


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As a logic tree to analyze the assessment of the banned members assertion that he and his cohorts know the outcome of Jesus and his cohorts in regards to a highly disputed historical narrative, it holds up as litmus test for risky assertions.

If time is removed from the equation Jesus has not been born, lived or died in any consensus environment, unless questions 1-3 are all answered as YES and then both parts of question four are plugged into the inquiry as a definitive assessment of the narrative based on definitions 1-3.

By following the tree you can see how man forks are possible and how easy it would be to avoid the more troublesome questions posed by the narrative.

My personal bias; I think there was a historical human named Jesus.
A personal favorite of mine due to his logic and compassion. I think the definition of God for myself is the consciousness beyond the boundary of creation called the event horizon. Thoughtful contemplative Christians would most times define that consciousness beyond creation as the "Holy of Holies" in some form of eternal silence and infinite space always capable of instantaneous manifestation.

So according to my two main biases on the logic trees (step 1&2) path anyone who asserts "personal knowledge" about the events of 2000 years ago even in the context of a "custodial chain of evidence held by initiates" is on highly shaky ground; because the questions are deeper and involve the total set called humanity as a finite consciousness in relation to the infinite consciousness from where it is possible we might each have originally generated consciousness as a separation into individuals into that which we call self in relation to others; who may or may not have come into existence in the same way, or slightly, to completely, different ways.

That logic tree is still an unknown outcome for me: and if God exists it may still be waiting for that particular logic tree to assert the truth of its own self generated creation. One way or another offering simple answers to complex problems is a good way to stymie a process of investigation.

These are the question I am currently reviewing to get further down the logic tree as a "supposed" statement made by the individual in question. It helps to remember, Jesus if he truly existed as defined by the narrative was a sincere explorer of the mystery that is personal and group existence as earthly humanity nothing more and nothing less can be proven 2000 years later.


A saying that is a riddle in the disputed Gospel of Thomas.

30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine.
Where there are two or one, I am with that one."

The crux of the riddle being the value assigned to "I AM" & "That One"
as two beings who maintain separateness on purpose as a requirement of their ability to enter that creative space far far away known by many names so they can create in it. In my reading of the riddle Jesus says he is not "I AM or The One" but I am not going to wager on my reading being the answer to the riddle of the statement either way.

To me the logic process beyond steps 1&2 is quite murky and purposely obfuscated to derail those who would assert that they know the truth others don't.

If a working definition of "God" exists it may still not know the outcome of the inquiry process; no matter what definition is applied to the word God in step one of the process.


So....... That's why I tuned out on the banned poster, faulty logic.


I Shot The Sheriff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ

[Anno]

He lost me when he claimed to know the exact circumstances of Jesus's ordeal 2012 years ago. His claim being that Jesus survived the cross and was nursed back to health before appearing once again to his cohorts.[...]

Does he believe it or is he giving the belief of the people he claims to be a part of? He's just another part of this Templar based wave of info we're getting at the moment. Even the MSM is full of it. Distorted Arthur/Merlin stories, EDL in the News linked to the Norwegian Templar guy who killed those kids, mentions of the Templars in random programs like a documentary on about them last night. And let's not forget Bill's: The Anglo Saxon Mission. Oh and Charles who I still say is one of them. And told Bill he was Arthur. It's everywhere in the collective consciousness. Crusades, Return of Arthur, big fight with the Muslims.

He lost me when he claimed to be the grand master of some secret society and yet still with enough time to make videos for youtube and piss about on internet forums. Yeah right. I'd be in my sex dungeon with my MK Harem and deciding which celebrity to sacrifice to the gods this week. I'm thinking Jedward and Louis Walsh found dead in some kind of autoerotic asphyxiation gone wrong sexcapade.

A large proportion of the Whistleblowers and Insiders within the Alternative Community are just attention seekers creating Strawmen outer egos and repeating whatever info they read in obscure new age books and other people's youtube waffles. I find them entertaining so thank them for their time but I expect a certain level of effort if you want me to take you seriously. Being sloppy and lazy like Edward is disrespecting your audience.