Questions and Answers about the Gulf Oil Catastrophe

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

This thread is for questions (and maybe some answers) about the Gulf Oil Catastrophe.

I'm NOT an engineer, and I don't have any experience in the oil business. I do have a math and physics background and have been spending a lot of time researching this situation. I feel I know a little now about what we're up against.

Because of the updates and summaries I've been posting recently I feel some responsibility in making sure that members (and visitors) understand what's happening - and also don't accidentally misunderstand aspects of the situation.

I know that many Forum members do NOT have science or engineering backgrounds, and some are also fairly young. I'll be happy to answer questions - if I can - in ways that will be as easy as possible to understand. Being informed is better than being frightened because one does not understand the problem.

Others may have better answers than I do, and I want to learn from anyone out there who knows more. If I don't know the answer to something, I'll say so. If I have an opinion, I'll make that clear. If I can cite a fact, I'll give references if and when I can.

If there ARE members who have engineering, geophysics, or oil industry experience, please help me out here publicly or privately. I know there are one or two. There may be quite a few more. If you have experience or information and want to jump in, send me an e-mail and we'll make sure we process your membership as fast as we can.

Bring it on... this is an experimental thread, and if it doesn't work, then we'll soon find out! This kind of thing (in my opinion) is one of the core purposes of the forum - to educate, raise awareness, inform, and grow a feeling of community in a world which may present a few more challenges before we can all return to wherever we came from. :)

Love to all, Bill

[lightblue]

hi bill
i keep chasing you around with this question, so if you answer it here,please ignore it at your other thread: do you keep in touch with gordon novell and do you know how his project is progressing?

once this leak is contained and touch wood it will, instead of having to go through a massive economic hardship that the elites may choose to impose by manipulating oil prices resulting in shutting down strata of economy and chain affecting different industries, wouldn't it be super timely to have something like release of free energy in place...it's my fantasy at present, but mey be it's not too far off...what do you think?

can't we get novell to sign up for this forum? that would be great.. thanks :) l

bashi knows a lot about these things, but he's not been around much ...hope he gets back soon..

[Bill Ryan]

do you keep in touch with gordon novel and do you know how his project is progressing?

once this leak is contained and touch wood it will, instead of having to go through a massive economic hardship that the elites may choose to impose by manipulating oil prices resulting in shutting down strata of economy and chain affecting different industries, wouldn't it be super timely to have something like release of free energy in place...it's my fantasy at present, but mey be it's not too far off...what do you think?


Kerry is in occasional contact with Gordon Novel. As best I know he has not yet engineered anything tangible and workable. He's hit a LOT of problems since we first talked with him three years ago.

The positive spin-off from this kind of shared problem (which affects everyone) is that it can bring people together. It can in theory make people angry enough to be proactive (see my Time to get angry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2977-Time-to-get-angry.) thread), and also motivate 'white hat' insiders to come forward and take action. We and they cannot wait forever.

I'm not talking about anger as in the urge to violence (physical or verbal). I'm talking about anger that creates a personal 'tipping point' to decide to make a change, or to do something positive. Anger can change lives, change the world, and get things done.

The relevance to your question is that in my opinion this MIGHT motivate some insiders to come out with the classified technology they already know about and which is already operational... a step ahead of Gordon Novel. Many of the people who are appalled at what has happened are engineers in all disciplines.

In addition: while ETs may not experience anger as animalistic humans do, they might be propelled by a new sense of urgency and decide to help out in unseen ways. This has to be possible. If this does occur, of course, we may never know about it. In a Sci-Fi movie, however, we'd see them coming over the Gulf to dissipate the oil and cauterize the leaks. :) (Don't hold your breath for that sight... any possible ET fix is likely in my opinion to be far more subtle than that.)

[Peace of Mind]

Ok, I’m game…but first, I must say thanks for everything, your sacrifices and good heartedness is well appreciated…

What are your thoughts on the Sea bed collapsing? When the leak subsides will there be a sink hole? Or could it be a volcano? Someone mentioned the seabed was rising, if so…could it be related to a shift in the planet? I'm also hoping this dosen't have the potential to become a natural bomb…

The following, is a copied and paste of one of my replies I made in another thread…

How thick is this oil? If it is thicker than the surrounding water...will it make the area highly combustible? If it was set a blaze will it look like a whole state is on fire? If so, could the fire reached down thru the funnel of fast spewing oil/methane, and through the leak/tube into the sea bed and blow up the oil reserve? What if the pressure of this leak is so strong that it is pushing away the water from mixing with the gushing oil and methane? Can fire flow through the center of this gushing funnel of oil? Could the dispersants being used aid in this (hopefully inaccurate) theory?

It seems so, because the chemical dispersants (which separates water from oil) are making underwater curtains of oil globs. They mis-calculated a lot already in dealing with this disaster, so I’m hoping I’m wrong in thinking this too…

AND...

Am I the only one thinking the live footage of the leak is a recording being played back continuously, could the leak be much worse than they want us to know so they show us this (looped) live feed to kind of keep us at bay?


Peace

[lightblue]

bill:
The positive spin-off from this kind of shared problem (which affects everyone) is that it can bring people together. It can in theory make people angry enough to be proactive (see my Time to get angry thread), and also motivate 'white hat' insiders to come forward and take action. We and they cannot wait forever.


thanks
and you are right...there's bound to be other people in the know...maybe with more advanced ideas than novel's was at the time that interviews was released..i was impressed as he sounded so determined..but as you say, time is short and many more good people around....l

[LindyLou22]

Thank you for this, Bill. Has there been any official reason given for why the oil-metabolizing microbes have not been used?

[Celine]

Great thread Bill!

This should help keep things clear and concise.

Do you believe boycotts will have an effect? if not what other course of action do you suggest we (general population )take?

[HORIZONS]

It looks to me that the oil is one problem, and we have a general idea what can happen from that, but what about all the gas that is escaping? Is not that even more of a problem, maybe even a more devastating problem in the long term? Then there is all the chemicals that are being used - even more of a problem - short term and long term - but not much info on that issue is out yet??? It seems that the oil is just the tip of the iceberg, and the butterfly effect will be a major issue in the long term. Your thoughts?

[kriya]

In addition: while ETs may not experience anger as animalistic humans do, they might be propelled by a new sense of urgency and decide to help out in unseen ways. This has to be possible. If this does occur, of course, we may never know about it. In a Sci-Fi movie, however, we'd see them coming over the Gulf to dissipate the oil and cauterize the leaks. :) (Don't hold your breath for that sight... any possible ET fix is likely in my opinion to be far more subtle than that.)

Sorry no question, just an observation. Maybe we should all put the call out for some assistance! And before people start on about its our mess etc....Sometimes people just need help, and an advanced race could do just that.

Love,

Kriya

[Operator]

Thank you for this, Bill. Has there been any official reason given for why the oil-metabolizing microbes have not been used?

A possible answer could be that they are deliberately not used ... (conspiracy based answer)

The next question I have is: Can they be used since BP sprays a lot of toxic dispersant over the contamination ? Will this kill the microbes too ?

[Bill Ryan]

What are your thoughts on the Sea bed collapsing? When the leak subsides will there be a sink hole? Or could it be a volcano? Someone mentioned the seabed was rising, if so…could it be related to a shift in the planet? I'm also hoping this dosen't have the potential to become a natural bomb…


I don't see this happening at all. No qualified engineer or geologist has mentioned this as a possibility. I don't see how it can occur.

If we play this fast-forwards to some point when the leak subsides, this would happen naturally when the pressure EQUALIZES. In other words, when the oil/gas pressure falls to be the same as the water pressure at the wellhead, then the oil won't come out any more... and the water won't get in either. It'll be a kind of pressure stalemate.

Besides, long before that the fall in pressure to manageable levels would mean that engineering solutions can be found.

The problem is that [in theory] many years might pass before we get to that point.

The talk of a volcano is uninformed. I certainly don't see that, either. All that's happened (all!! :)) is that they have punctured into a natural oil 'artery'. It's like cutting an artery on your arm or leg. The blood would be spurting out all over the place.

The hot, extremely-high-pressure oil and gas has nothing to do with anything volcanic - but it has its own unimaginable elemental force, and does its own huge damage. The oil pressure may be as high as 70,000 psi [4,800 bar], way more than anything ever before encountered in oil exploration. There's no human public-sector technology that can handle that.


The following, is a copied and paste of one of my replies I made in another thread…

How thick is this oil? If it is thicker than the surrounding water...will it make the area highly combustible? If it was set a blaze will it look like a whole state is on fire? If so, could the fire reached down thru the funnel of fast spewing oil/methane, and through the leak/tube into the sea bed and blow up the oil reserve? What if the pressure of this leak is so strong that it is pushing away the water from mixing with the gushing oil and methane? Can fire flow through the center of this gushing funnel of oil? Could the dispersants being used aid in this (hopefully inaccurate) theory?

It seems so, because the chemical dispersants (which separates water from oil) are making underwater curtains of oil globs. They mis-calculated a lot already in dealing with this disaster, so I’m hoping I’m wrong in thinking this too…


This is a good question. I'm not sure of my answer, but I THINK that the oil separates into different compounds which are different densities.

The oil film on the water is very thin indeed - way less than a millimeter. But there is also more dense tar which does not always float. There's a lot of oil IN the water, too, not just on the surface. And you're right - the chemical dispersants disguise the problem. It's like using a chemical aerosol spray to get rid of a smell in your house, rather than opening the windows. You've actually ADDED to what's there - not taken anything away.

And the additional chemical may well cause its own knock-on problems. (With the oil dispersants, they CERTAINLY make things worse. And (see later question below) the use of the dispersants certainly kills off all bacteria or microbes that could be dispelling the oil naturally. (Remember, oil is a natural substance and nature CAN deal with it... but not in huge, intense quantities.)


Am I the only one thinking the live footage of the leak is a recording being played back continuously, could the leak be much worse than they want us to know so they show us this (looped) live feed to kind of keep us at bay?

You're not the only person who thinks this! Personally, I'm reasonably convinced that the film is live. One reason for this is that the inclinometer measuring the angle at which the BOP (Blowout Preventer) is LEANING is - as far as I understand - increasing its reading. My understanding is that this can be seen on the streaming live video.

This increasing angle, by the way, at which the BOP is leaning, is another cause for concern... there is a risk that it may topple over (causing further problems), and SOMETHING is causing it to lean... probably one aspect of the combination of the high pressures and the damaged well casing (damaged giant pipe). It's evidence that the situation down there is changing all the time and is unstable and not yet controlled (as if we need a reminder...).

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you for this, Bill. Has there been any official reason given for why the oil-metabolizing microbes have not been used?

Not that I'm aware of.

[Bill Ryan]

Do you believe boycotts will have an effect? if not what other course of action do you suggest we (general population )take?

Important question!

My personal opinion is that several things will now happen:


-- For many ordinary people -- AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALREADY -- this will be a wake-up call: that we are in deep trouble and we cannot rely on the politicians to fix things up for us. THIS WAKE-UP CALL IS A GOOD THING.
-- A lot of people will get very upset and angry and fearful (or a combination of all three).
-- There will be demonstrations, riots, even (maybe) domestic terrorism. For a lot of people, what has happened (as it plays out) will be just too much.
-- A lot of good people on the 'inside' (including engineers and scientists) will be appalled at what has happened and will start breaking ranks and speaking out. The situation will become more and more volatile. I think we'll see people in Congress yelling at one another - and at the President and Speaker. Good guys in the military will also be appalled and their instinct will be to take action.
-- There will be clampdowns of all kinds as the Controllers try to keep the lid on the box.
-- As a distraction, we may see a strike against Iran. (Or, more likely, there may be a strike against Iran while everyone is traumatized domestically.)

What all the above means is that the game has been permanently ramped up to the next level - and/or the next stage.

Personally, I'm thinking and feeling: THIS IS IT. WE'RE ON A WAR FOOTING NOW. (This is a metaphor.) I've not felt like this at any time since starting Camelot. Others I know feel the same.

To summarize, I believe we may have entered a new phase of the game, in which


-- the stakes are higher
-- the Controllers will seize on this to further their agenda, and
-- good people will be waking up and mobilizing everywhere.


When I use the word 'mobilizing', I mean that people will be strongly motivated to make some change. For some, this might mean political or social action. For others, it may mean spiritual 'action'. Both forms of response may be valuable and needed.

Note also that many people will feel traumatized and unable to act at all. This will be temporary... but each person will respond differently. As you talk to others, remember that each person will have a different personal response 'strategy' and may need to be supported in different ways (including with patience and understanding).

[Etherios]

So far we have huge amounts of oil being spilled in the gulf and from what is being reported the oil has started moving in the atlantic stream. So how we stop it from polluting all the seas of earth? Has anyone come up with any ways to stop it? Or we can start realizing that in the next years we will start seeing only dead seas all over the planet?

[Bill Ryan]

It looks to me that the oil is one problem, and we have a general idea what can happen from that, but what about all the gas that is escaping? Is not that even more of a problem, maybe even a more devastating problem in the long term? Then there is all the chemicals that are being used - even more of a problem - short term and long term - but not much info on that issue is out yet??? It seems that the oil is just the tip of the iceberg, and the butterfly effect will be a major issue in the long term. Your thoughts?

Oil and gas are natural, and Mother Earth CAN handle, disperse AND absorb these - in time. At the moment, of course, she is overwhelmed with the sheer quantity that's there all at once.

My personal opinion is that although the 'natural' chemicals are definitely a theoretical health hazard (see the EPA report (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/elevated-levels-of-benzene-hydrogen-sulfide-methylene-chloride-in-gulf-air/) graphically described by Lindsey Williams talking with Alex Jones on 10 June (http://projectavalon.net/Lindsey_Williams_10_June_2010_Alex_Jones_extract.mp3)), there will be some natural dispersion and dilution and it might not be quite as dangerous as Lindsey was describing.

Having said that, there may possibly be some toxic rains, and already there may be effects on plants, crops, insects and birds in the Gulf - which are not physically affected by oil. I saw a video (which may have been a news report) in which farmers were reporting strange spots appearing on all plants and crops [unselectively]... and birds dying. This looked pretty alarming.

I don't have the link for the video, but an article is here (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2010/06/12/oil-spill-tennessee-crop-damage-story-rings-skeptic-alarm/).

Note, of course, that Corexit, the highly toxic oil dispersant used by BP, may be responsible for this. It is totally unclear at the moment.

[JoshERTW]

Important question!

My personal opinion is that several things will now happen:


-- A lot of people will get very upset and angry and fearful (or a combination of all three).
-- There will be demonstrations, riots, even (maybe) domestic terrorism. For a lot of people, what has happened (as it plays out) will be just too much.
-- A lot of good people on the 'inside' (including engineers and scientists) will be appalled at what has happened and will start breaking ranks and speaking out. The situation will become more and more volatile. I think we'll see people in Congress yelling at one another - and at the President and Speaker. Good guys in the military will also be appalled and their instinct will be to take action.
-- For many ordinary people -- AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALREADY -- this will be a wake-up call: that we are in deep trouble and we cannot rely on the politicians to fix things up for us. THIS WAKE-UP CALL IS A GOOD THING.
-- There will be clampdowns of all kinds as the Controllers try to keep the lid on the box.
-- As a distraction, we may see a strike against Iran. (Or, more likely, there may be a strike against Iran while everyone is traumatized domestically.)

What all the above means is that the game has been permanently ramped up to the next level - and/or the next stage.

Personally, I'm thinking and feeling: THIS IS IT. WE'RE ON A WAR FOOTING NOW. (This is a metaphor.) I've not felt like this at any time since starting Camelot. Others I know feel the same.

To summarize, I believe we may have entered a new phase of the game, in which


-- the stakes are higher
-- the Controllers will seize on this to further their agenda, and
-- good people will be waking up and mobilizing everywhere.


I've had this same feeling for a few months now - it started as a feeling of unease - then the spill started and the unease turned a bit fearful - at this point I've gona beyond the fear and realize the best thing I can do is try to stay informed, and keep others informed via posting video's from youtube, interviews / articles from this forum and others, and hope for the best.

I have a background in fluids engineering, nothing this complicated by a long shot but it is certainly making me think that I may have taken that path educationally and professionally for a reason - and maybe this is it.

Bill, thank you for your most recent blog post with the PDF (http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf). The author speaks like a "teacher" with a good grasp of how both hydraulics and specifically oil well construction and operation are handled.

Has the original author listed his qualifications at all (engineer, rig worker, etc.)? As frantic as his message seemed it wasn't as bad as some of the things out there - i.e. collapse of the sea floor etc. I don't personally see how this would work, and if it happened it would be a gradual process - proportional to the flow of the oil.

I also appreciated his description of why they are opening up the well to allow more flow - this makes perfect sense from a perspective of reducing the risk of a catastrophic blow-out somewhere down-pipe. Under this situation a seafloor collapse might be possible depending on the pressure buildup and the surrounding soil/bedrock porosity (void spaces) and mass.

In response to the microbe question I believe the reason they are not using them is simple: Their affiliates do not own the microbe companies - they do however own the dispersant companies - as such the money is moving from the left hand to the right instead of BP having to pay out cash to some "third party" for cleanup. My understanding is they have refused EPA requests to use something less toxic for precisely this reason.

[Bill Ryan]

Can the oil-metabolizing microbes be used since BP sprays a lot of toxic dispersant over the contamination ? Will this kill the microbes too ?

Yes, as far as I am aware Corexit will kill all the beneficial microbes and bacteria.

Three [of many] references about Corexit:



Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America (http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america/)

Are Dispersants Killing Natural Oil Eaters? (http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/dispersants-killing-natural-oil-eaters)

Dispersants add to Gulf spill’s toxic threats (http://www.louisianaweekly.com/news.php?viewStory=2862)

[Bill Ryan]

So far we have huge amounts of oil being spilled in the gulf and from what is being reported the oil has started moving in the atlantic stream. So how we stop it from polluting all the seas of earth? Has anyone come up with any ways to stop it? Or we can start realizing that in the next years we will start seeing only dead seas all over the planet?

Here's where to see the current size of the oil slick...

http://ifitwasmyhome.com

A neat new site which enables you to 'drop' the slick on to wherever you are right now to see how big it really is.

Like this...

http://projectavalon.net/Gulf_oil_slick_on_UK.jpg

There's an interesting [theoretical!] debate about whether the oil should be concentrated in the Gulf, or allowed to spread further.

In practice, I know of no conceivable engineering way to stop the spread into the Atlantic and beyond.

The 'good news' is that this may allow some dilution and natural dispersal. Much depends on the volume and the duration of the uncontrolled flow.

At the moment (my own calculations) the oil is entering the Gulf at a rate of one Exxon Valdez every three days. Some say every six days. It may be every two days. But it doesn't matter if it goes on until 2011... that could easily be 100x the Exxon Valdez.

AND THE FLOW IS LIKELY TO INCREASE as the well casing becomes eroded through the natural extreme-high-pressure sandblasting, as the flow of oil contains rocks and sand under extreme pressure.

It's important to understand two things:


1 -- The well casing will only last weeks or months before it's worn down to nothing in some places and starts to leak catastrophically. As best I understand, there is no engineering solution for this.

2 -- The failure of the well casing underground (which is why they abruptly halted the 'top kill' operation) MEANS THAT THEY CANNOT NOW EVEN TRY TO SEAL THE WELL HEAD. THEY HAVE TO LET THE OIL FLOW OUT FREELY IN ORDER TO STOP THE WELL CASING FROM BEING FURTHER DAMAGED.

Meanwhile, the only thing they can do is try to collect the oil as it pours out. THEY CANNOT CAP IT NOW. THIS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY IMPOSSIBLE.

To visualize this, imagine a garden hose with holes or rips in it. Most (but not all) of the water is emerging from the nozzle.

But if you block the nozzle, this will force the water (under pressure) out of the holes and rips - making the holes and rips bigger, and maybe destroying the hose. YOU HAVE TO LET THE WATER KEEP FLOWING TO MAINTAIN THE HOSE IN ONE PIECE.

This is the problem. There's no solution for this apart from to try to collect the oil as it streams out. Meanwhile, the natural sandblasting will destroy the well casing anyway, within weeks or months.

After the well casing is destroyed, then the oil really WILL pour out uncontrollably. Then the question is how much is there, and how long the oil will flow for. The bad news is that it could be for a VERY long time.

My personal opinion is that there will be increasing engineering pressure for a nuke to be used. This is not QUITE as crazy as it sounds. The Russians used nukes five times to solve similar problems (http://projectavalon.net/kp.ru_3_May_2010.html)... in deep wells, on land. Four times out of five it worked. That's close to Russian Roulette. :) [bad joke, but impossible to resist]

The problem with using a nuke to seal the reservoir seems to me to be - and please note that I am not a geologist - that there could be seismic effects (a tsunami to you and me)... combined with the risk that the strata might be fractured, not sealed, and then ALL the oil would flood out.

That's one of the doomsday scenarios. But I'm pretty sure that this is being debated by engineers behind closed doors right now. (Interestingly, the Russians might offer help.... and I believe they would genuinely want to.)

The problem THERE is that if this situation has been hijacked by the Controllers for their own agenda, as I believe is very likely, then a REAL catastrophe in the Gulf (such as that caused by a nuke failure) might be exactly what they would like to further their own ends.

So while the science suggests that a nuke may be worth considering, the politics suggests that it may be way too likely to be used to create the mother of all 9/11s.

[frank samuel]

Bill for a couple of years now I have thought about viable energy sources to break away from our dependence on oil.
As the gas prices went up people began to become desperate about finding alternative solutions, once the price of the barrel came back down things went back to normal. This recent blunder will create a public outcry the likes of which we have not seem in a very long time.
My question to you is, from your point of view, what practical alternative energy sources do you think we can implement now to break away from our oil dependence ?

Blessings to you Bill and thank you for this thread..:wub:

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, thank you for your most recent blog post with the PDF (http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf). The author speaks like a "teacher" with a good grasp of how both hydraulics and specifically oil well construction and operation are handled.

Has the original author listed his qualifications at all (engineer, rig worker, etc.)? As frantic as his message seemed it wasn't as bad as some of the things out there - i.e. collapse of the sea floor etc. I don't personally see how this would work, and if it happened it would be a gradual process - proportional to the flow of the oil.

I also appreciated his description of why they are opening up the well to allow more flow - this makes perfect sense from a perspective of reducing the risk of a catastrophic blow-out somewhere down-pipe. Under this situation a seafloor collapse might be possible depending on the pressure buildup and the surrounding soil/bedrock porosity (void spaces) and mass.

In response to the microbe question I believe the reason they are not using them is simple: Their affiliates do not own the microbe companies - they do however own the dispersant companies - as such the money is moving from the left hand to the right instead of BP having to pay out cash to some "third party" for cleanup. My understanding is they have refused EPA requests to use something less toxic for precisely this reason.

Josh, I agree with you 100% on all counts.

The author of the PDF (http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf) didn't list his credentials... but he very clearly knew exactly what he was talking about. I learned a great deal from going through it carefully.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill for a couple of years now I have thought about viable energy sources to break away from our dependence on oil.
As the gas prices went up people began to become desperate about finding alternative solutions, once the price of the barrel came back down things went back to normal. This recent blunder will create a public outcry the likes of which we have not seem in a very long time.
My question to you is, from your point of view, what practical alternative energy sources do you think we can implement now to break from our oil dependence ?


Hi Frank - and I'm delighted you've joined the Avalon mod team. :)

Re your question, necessity really is the mother of invention. I bet Wade Frazier (http://projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html) and Brian O'Leary (http://projectcamelot.org/brian_o_leary.html) are writing about this right now.

Personally, I'm not expert enough in this field to hazard a guess at exactly what might be a viable alternative. The fact that the answer doesn't feel obvious says something... we are SO dependent on oil at the moment, and it doesn't look to be changing anytime soon.

JUST MAYBE... some insider 'white hat' engineers might become so disgusted at what is happening that they might release full details of viable free energy devices - which certainly exist in the classified world on a fully-functioning (not just experimental) basis.

If that release of information was done in an optimum, carefully-strategized way, with enough support behind them in other quarters (media, military, etc)... then that cat would be permanently out of the bag and would change the world forever from that day on.

This is one of the deus ex machina options that just might not be totally impossible...

[Operator]

Or we can start realizing that in the next years we will start seeing only dead seas all over the planet?

I guess it will not be limited to dead seas alone IF this happens ... it is not wide spread knowledge I think that most of our oxygen is generated by plankton in our seas:
Read more: Is it true that plankton produce much of our oxygen? (http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/45471)

And there much more articles of course ... at least an important point to keep in mind what's at stake here.

[frank samuel]

If you remember the oil crisis in the 70's in the US, I remember there where an incredible out pour of innovated inventors many swept under the rug, or bought out by the Oil tycoons. I got a feeling there's about to be a strong comeback of the white hat inventors who have kept their inventions out of the hands of Govt. agencies and private company investors. Of course as you also have mention the military and private govt. sponsor companies have for a long time use the alternative energy viable sources to fulfill their own agendas none of which has been beneficial to the general populace.An example of that is Helium 3. Thank you for your answer Bill and thank you for the warm welcome...

[VERITAS]

Here's the newest Veritas Special Report (with James Fox). Recorded just an hour ago...

1. BP is now spraying dispersants at night and on top of populated areas.

2. BP is using Wackenhut as their security company to harass/threaten the media.

http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/2010/06jun/VSR-100613-jfox.mp3

It's also here: http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html

Cheers,

Mel

[john.d]

Sorry no question, just an observation. Maybe we should all put the call out for some assistance! And before people start on about its our mess etc....Sometimes people just need help, and an advanced race could do just that.

Love,

Kriya

I agree , and from everything ive read about our evolved family ... Help is there as long as we ask for it (because of free will) . The problem is , how can we as a collective ( not the puppet black suits) ask for their assistance ?
Could synchronized meditations work ? Im sure with a bit of organisation (because of time zones) , maybe an american , european and asian meditation asking for help could be done ?
I think its worth a shot , whats peoples thoughts ?

John

[kudzy]

Thanks Mel... you rock!
Well folks you heard James Fox, let's get them to stop using Corexit 9500.
This is a start. Let our voices be heard.

BP offices in the United States

Anchorage
BP Exploration (Alaska), Inc.
900 East Benson Boulevard
Anchorage
AK 99508
Phone: +1 907 561 5111

Chicago
28100 Torch Parkway
Warrenville
IL 60555
Phone: +1 630 836 5000

Houston
501 Westlake Park Boulevard
Houston
TX 77079
Phone: +1 281 366 2000

La Palma
4 Centerpointe Drive
La Palma
CA 90623

BP Chemicals
28100 Torch Park Way
Warrenville
IL 60555
Phone: +1 877 701 2726

BP Solar
630 Solarex Ct.
MD 21703
Phone: +1 301 698 4200

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

# -- There will be clampdowns of all kinds as the Controllers try to keep the lid on the box.
# -- As a distraction, we may see a strike against Iran. (Or, more likely, there may be a strike against Iran while everyone is traumatized domestically.) TO QUOTE BILL... this peiece of news confirms your track of thought. alxo webbot sees a saw tooth emotional patch until november where the language does look like ww3 . last ing 4 days of emitional release language.. 9/11 was 4 hours of release language.. lots of people putting lots of bits of it together now.. buckle up kids.. were on the next phase of the ride.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/180605/Sea-battle-fear-as-Iran-sends-flotilla-to-Gaza

also turkey said they would send ships to guard the flotilla agains tthe zionazis

[concerned square]

..........

[Etherios]

Hi Bill
...
3 RE the georgia guidestones. If the illuminati have a depopulation agenda then this would be right up their street, maybe this is what the under ground bases are for.
...

Well this is the most controllable doomsday scenario. Its far more safe for them than polar shifts solar flares etc etc. This will take more time but ...

[eva08]

If ancient civilizations existed 17,000 - 25,000 years ago, who had technologies already then, we do not even know about in this present -- I feel I can safely assume that technologies do exist that we do not yet know or know about that would resolve this disaster and restore well-being. The issue is re-focusing on well-being and thus allowing the thought channels to open to what will bring about workable solution(s) of well-being.

[bennycog]

hey bill.. one simple question...
with so many factions of the ptb involved in this.. where is all the inside information that should be flowing to you from a few angles?
cheers bennycog

[steve_a]

Hi Bill,

On the technical side of the leak, I found this interesting and most comprehensive page from the "Washingtons Blog" website which looks at the progress of the undoings of the crisis: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html

This could change all the theories regarding as to why the leak occurred. As always it brings out more questions. If the damage is underground did BP know that it had a massive problem before the media got hold of the story in the first place? Is that why the CEO of BP sold his stocks and is that why Halliburton bought the small company who did the 'cementing work'? Small company = fall guy.

Was the "explosion" deliberately caused to mask the real reason of the well leaking oil? Is that why Goldman Sachs shorted the oil companies a day and three weeks beforehand?

At the end of the day, if the well was already compromised well below underground, who pays damages? BP.

If there was a tragic 'accident', who pays the damages? The fall guy. Perhaps it was cheaper to buy out and sacrifice a company than to own up to an immense problem.

Just a thought.

Best regards,

Steve

[Celine]

Important question!

My personal opinion is that several things will now happen:


-- For many ordinary people -- AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALREADY -- this will be a wake-up call: that we are in deep trouble and we cannot rely on the politicians to fix things up for us. THIS WAKE-UP CALL IS A GOOD THING.
-- A lot of people will get very upset and angry and fearful (or a combination of all three).
-- There will be demonstrations, riots, even (maybe) domestic terrorism. For a lot of people, what has happened (as it plays out) will be just too much.
-- A lot of good people on the 'inside' (including engineers and scientists) will be appalled at what has happened and will start breaking ranks and speaking out. The situation will become more and more volatile. I think we'll see people in Congress yelling at one another - and at the President and Speaker. Good guys in the military will also be appalled and their instinct will be to take action.
-- There will be clampdowns of all kinds as the Controllers try to keep the lid on the box.
-- As a distraction, we may see a strike against Iran. (Or, more likely, there may be a strike against Iran while everyone is traumatized domestically.)

What all the above means is that the game has been permanently ramped up to the next level - and/or the next stage.

Personally, I'm thinking and feeling: THIS IS IT. WE'RE ON A WAR FOOTING NOW. (This is a metaphor.) I've not felt like this at any time since starting Camelot. Others I know feel the same.

To summarize, I believe we may have entered a new phase of the game, in which


-- the stakes are higher
-- the Controllers will seize on this to further their agenda, and
-- good people will be waking up and mobilizing everywhere.


When I use the word 'mobilizing', I mean that people will be strongly motivated to make some change. For some, this might mean political or social action. For others, it may mean spiritual 'action'. Both forms of response may be valuable and needed.

Note also that many people will feel traumatized and unable to act at all. This will be temporary... but each person will respond differently. As you talk to others, remember that each person will have a different personal response 'strategy' and may need to be supported in different ways (including with patience and understanding).



Thank you Bill. That was a very informative POV

I know many people , including myself, feel as you do.

What actions can we take at this time to help focus this energy in the right direction?

What do you think of these suggestions..

1- Begin discussion/support groups locally to help cope and find alternate ways of living in this new "wakened " world.

2- Start legal protests in local area. May it be a picnic in your local town, with local engineers/doctors/politicians/spiritual leaders etc speaking and offering suggestions to help us change our lifestyles and adapt to our awakening world Or a sit in's at gas stations across the globe...

3- Print out information from Project Avalon, that you and others have shared about the oil catastrophy and distribute on "every corner of the world"

4-Find a way to publicly denounce the PTBs and stop "working in the shadows".

5- Drive our cars to the highways, and just..abandon them. Never again use any means of transportation that use petrol.

These are a few suggestions that others and myself have been discussing..would love to know your thoughts Bill and any other suggestions for a course of action.


Together we awaken, Together we rise, Together we change.

be well and know you are love,
celine

[jaybee]

Hi Bill and All.......Do you think that the speculated conspiracy side of things, might be because it was known that the whole Gulf of Mexico area is geologically unstable due to ancient asteroid impacts that also co-incide with the hyperdimensional position of 19.5...?

I've just been googling asteroids and the Gulf of Mexico and there was a massive one on the edge of the Yukatan Peninsula around 65 million years ago....and while some people think the Gulf of Mexico was 'created' then, others say that the one that might have done that happened millions of years before. But the 65 million years ago one...that created the Chicxulub crater and destroyed much of Life on Earth...could have caused all sorts of geological conditions....weakening the sea-bed etc..

Perhaps the Haiti earthquake...also straddling the 19.5 position could have been a sign of things to come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/EarthCollisions.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/meteors/impacts.html

The whole Oil 'spill' is a heart-breaker....speculation such as the above doesn't help the clean up etc., I know...but I'm wondering if this place on earth has, before, been the site of major environmental disturbance.......and to a lesser degree....is again....and is linked to previous disasters. Although this one has been set off by drilling into a geologically unstable area.....

[Bill Ryan]

1 Are there ANY positives to using dispersants other than masking the scale of the problem (which isn't a positive at all)


It's a good question. My best answer is that I don't believe so.

Think of a 'dispersant' [generic term] as like the soap you use in your kitchen to clean a greasy pan. There are naturally-based, eco-friendly options here... and also chemical products that are absolutely not.

The scale of this is billions of times greater, of course. But that's what a dispersant is [essentially].

In theory, the idea of a dispersant is therefore not totally a bad thing. But the kind of dispersant used on this scale is likely to be hugely damaging (like in your goldfish bowl: if you clean engine oil leaked in the bowl with a large amount of even eco-friendly detergent, the fish will simply die in another way. (You and I shouldn't drink that stuff, either...)



2 If the oil were to flow until pressure equalization, how long do you think it would take for the earth to recover (maybe impossible to answer?)


It depends how much oil there is down there. There might be a LOT. The worst case scenario (assuming an abiotic oil process (http://www.rense.com/general58/biot.htm)) is that the oil is being continually created/replenished deep within the surface of the Earth -one of the oil cartel's biggest secrets - and might not run dry for decades or longer.

The recovery question is slightly different. I think everyone's opinion would be a guess, but intuitively I imagine it would take generations - maybe hundreds of years.

In the very long run of course, EVERYTHING recovers. There have been many unimaginable catastrophes on Planet Earth in geological history, and she's still here with abundant life on it.



3 RE the georgia guidestones. If the illuminati have a depopulation agenda then this would be right up their street, maybe this is what the under ground bases are for.


I doubt that this is connected... my best guess is that this was an accident, but that the Controllers will be quick to capitalize on it: see my posts on this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=27123&viewfull=1#post27123) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=27135&viewfull=1#post27135) (#13 and #18 on p.2. of this thread). THIS MAY BE AS MUCH OF A THREAT AS THE OIL.



I only have a fraction of the understanding of this disaster that you have, so when i see you so concerned about this i really am starting to worry.


Those of you who know me well know that I'm not a scaremonger, and have a realistic but highly optimistic idea of the future that we can all create and experience. Ensuring a positive outcome is what my personal mission is all about.

But yes... I've not been so concerned about anything for a very long time. In my opinion this is an incredibly serious situation.

[Bill Ryan]

hey bill.. one simple question...
with so many factions of the ptb involved in this.. where is all the inside information that should be flowing to you from a few angles?


I do have some information... see the Avalon Blog update here (9 June)

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/whats_new.html

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you Bill. That was a very informative POV

I know many people , including myself, feel as you do.

What actions can we take at this time to help focus this energy in the right direction?

What do you think of these suggestions..

1- Begin discussion/support groups locally to help cope and find alternate ways of living in this new "wakened " world.

2- Start legal protests in local area. May it be a picnic in your local town, with local engineers/doctors/politicians/spiritual leaders etc speaking and offering suggestions to help us change our lifestyles and adapt to our awakening world Or a sit in's at gas stations across the globe...

3- Print out information from Project Avalon, that you and others have shared about the oil catastrophy and distribute on "every corner of the world"

4-Find a way to publicly denounce the PTBs and stop "working in the shadows".

5- Drive our cars to the highways, and just..abandon them. Never again use any means of transportation that use petrol.

These are a few suggestions that others and myself have been discussing..would love to know your thoughts Bill and any other suggestions for a course of action.

Together we awaken, Together we rise, Together we change.

be well and know you are love,
celine

All good ideas - although #5 may be a little extreme for some! :)

In Mel Fabregas's new interview yesterday with James Fox (http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/2010/06jun/VSR-100613-jfox.mp3), James stated very strongly that he felt the #1 priority was stopping the use of Corexit, and suggested picketing and lobbying the EPA with as much publicity and people as possible - immediately.

[Bill Ryan]

On the technical side of the leak, I found this interesting and most comprehensive page from the "Washingtons Blog" website which looks at the progress of the undoings of the crisis: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html

This could change all the theories regarding as to why the leak occurred. As always it brings out more questions. If the damage is underground did BP know that it had a massive problem before the media got hold of the story in the first place? Is that why the CEO of BP sold his stocks and is that why Halliburton bought the small company who did the 'cementing work'? Small company = fall guy.

Was the "explosion" deliberately caused to mask the real reason of the well leaking oil? Is that why Goldman Sachs shorted the oil companies a day and three weeks beforehand?

At the end of the day, if the well was already compromised well below underground, who pays damages? BP.

If there was a tragic 'accident', who pays the damages? The fall guy. Perhaps it was cheaper to buy out and sacrifice a company than to own up to an immense problem.


Yes, the Washington's Blog piece (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html) is valuable and seems to be accurate.

Personally, I'm intrigued by Lindsey Williams' categorical statement (http://projectavalon.net/Lindsey_Williams_10_June_2010_Alex_Jones_extract.mp3) that the blowout was not deliberately engineered. But it's certainly possible that serious engineering problems were coming to light before the explosion on the rig.

Intuitively (and I have no hard evidence for this apart from that it feels spot on, and I do trust my intuition) I feel certain that Lindsey is absolutely right... the Controllers did NOT know that this was going to happen, but THEY RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT IT ANYWAY BY OCCULT MEANS.

In other words, they knew SOMETHING was going to happen, but they did not MAKE it happen. They may have ALLOWED it to happen... possibly (depending on the precise engineering scenario involved, what failed when, who knew what, etc.)

But: the real significance of this is that this gives us direct evidence for how the 'Controllers' work. THEY ARE NOT IN CONTROL. THEY MAY BE JUST MANAGERS/ CARETAKERS OF PLANET EARTH. SOMETHING OR SOMEONE ELSE IS DRIVING ALL THIS - at a hyper-dimensional level (for lack of a better term).

This is why they have their occult, satanic rituals and worship (yes, really) their 'gods'. These 'gods' are in charge of that side of the game. The Illuminati are just the gods' human representatives on Earth (some of who are strategically 'occupied', of course).

It all fits. David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Bill Deagle, Jim Marrs, Jay Weidner [and many others, of course...] have it all correct.

I suspect that the Controllers don't know exactly will happen in the next 2-3 years either... but THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD SOME INFORMATION. When events happen like this, they RECOGNIZE THEM and then jump on them to drive the agenda further. But something else is calling the real shots entirely.

For this reason, personally, what has happened is extremely important... it really connected a lot of dots for me and a great deal fell into place about what exactly is happening here.

[kudzy]

Hi Bill;
Do you think mobilizing people to call BP (see my previous post for phone numbers) and requesting them to stop spraying Corexit would be effective?
I just called and was quickly directed to a real human who took my request.
She was nice. I was polite. I simply told them as a citizen to Stop spraying Corexit, Now. It's making the problem worse.
Thanks

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Bill ...

What do you mean when you say.... "But something else is calling the real shots entirely."

viking

[Thunderbird]

First off,
Mel I wanted to publicly honor you with an open heart for the work you have been doing reporting with James Fox and making it available to the general public.

I have always enjoyed your work and style though I have been an strong opponent of the pay for content/truth model.

While you charge for the Disclosure content and interviews, it appears to me that your heart is in the right place and recognize the immediate importance and relevance of the Gulf reporting to everybody.

There is more I could say to this but i will leave it at a heartfelt and profound thank you.
My family and I are truly grateful.

Secondly:
Bill, you said that to call this a Volcano is uninformed.

I would like to hear why you believe this to be the case.

Granted, It does sound a bit far fetched to me, and I doubt we will see a new volcano explode at the bottom of the Gulf, but it does explain the "authorities" response, intense pressure, volatile gasses, mass media blackout, threats of arrest, the no fly zone, ridiculous use of COREXIT ( to disperse volcanic gasses?), etc.

I cant see need for all of the hubbub for an out of control oil leak. I CAN however see that the people in charge and working on the situation are AFRAID. In their own estimation this is bigger than they can handle.

All their activities display that to be the case.

If the Webbot project is legit, and Clif is not an operative in some diabolical mass social experiment conducted by less than scrupulous individuals, then the implications of his findings lend credence in support of the volcano postulation in so far as it is the type of thing that could be so large in magnitude to cause such a significant diaspora.

To think that the powers that were could somehow use an uncontrolled oil gusher as an excuse to forcibly remove 20+ million people from the lower 40* was a thought that had crossed my mind. And, I have heard of the foreign troops in miami, lousiana, and alabama. I also looked into the vehicle build up in Jacksonville. However, i do not believe the powers that were have the skill, power, or ability to pull off such a grand operation. Look at how bad they messed up 9/11, the N Korean frame up of the sinking of the S Korean ship, and Georgia and South Ossetia. They are literally falling over each other after each screwed up operation. I do not give them the power.

I have come to a position where i feel and reason that they have bitten off more than they can chew....and they know it. you can sense and see dissension among the ranks, and the truth shall reveal them to be the ineffective, fearful, cowards that they are.

It is clear that the blow out is indeed a very highly pressurized pocket of oil and gas. More so than our current (public technology) can handle.

In light of the build up of volcanic activity, increase in earthquakes, and general earth changes of this period (cycle) of time i would not so quickly rule out the potential for new volcanoes to emerge, new fault lines to appear, and the topography of the globe to alter dramatically.

As an anecdotal thought, every map i have seen of the "future" includes a significant waterway running from what "were" the great lakes down to the Gulf. If there is any credence whatsoever, beyond far fetched data points to these maps, then it might warrant a thought or two about the effects a new vent would have on the geology and fault lines.

At the very least, what we have is a gusher that contains toxic gasses and oil that will run unabated for quite a while causing much damage to the worlds ecosystems and us. This would fit in with your ex-girlfriends mysterious declaration that the beauty of this world will not always be so.

At the other end of the spectrum the hole is being pressurized due to magma, and the solar system squeeze as we transition through the galactic equator, It IS a volcano, and it starts as a little leak in the proverbial dam and expands to let the rest of the highly pressurized "earthblood" out.

perhaps my imagination is running a bit wild....
perhaps it is just a highly pressurized oil pocket and will just wreak a slow creeping environmental havoc on the world.

or perhaps we are seeing global transformation.

Granted i may be slanted a bit towards the volcano thing because i would rather it be the globe that smacks us down a bit than have it be a diabolical plot by some of my own species to "cull the herd."

I am not holding onto any position to firmly. i am seeking the truth and i am open to learning. I want to know.

This is why i ask for your perspective on why it is uninformed to think it is a sub strata magma deposit is causing the pressure.

thanks for your time and efforts.
-X

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill and All.......Do you think that the speculated conspiracy side of things, might be because it was known that the whole Gulf of Mexico area is geologically unstable due to ancient asteroid impacts that also co-incide with the hyperdimensional position of 19.5...?

I've just been googling asteroids and the Gulf of Mexico and there was a massive one on the edge of the Yukatan Peninsula around 65 million years ago....and while some people think the Gulf of Mexico was 'created' then, others say that the one that might have done that happened millions of years before. But the 65 million years ago one...that created the Chicxulub crater and destroyed much of Life on Earth...could have caused all sorts of geological conditions....weakening the sea-bed etc..

Perhaps the Haiti earthquake...also straddling the 19.5 position could have been a sign of things to come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/EarthCollisions.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/meteors/impacts.html

The whole Oil 'spill' is a heart-breaker....speculation such as the above doesn't help the clean up etc., I know...but I'm wondering if this place on earth has, before, been the site of major environmental disturbance.......and to a lesser degree....is again....and is linked to previous disasters. Although this one has been set off by drilling into a geologically unstable area.....

It's an interesting question! I'm not sufficiently well-informed about the 19.5' alignments to form an opinion.

I suspect, based on what I know of geophysics, that any impact tens of millions of years ago would no longer be leaving a weakness like this. The Earth heals itself too, and that was a LONG time ago. All kinds of mega-events have occurred since then, all over the planet... as best I know not just on the 19.5' alignments.

And (also as best I know) the seabed in the Gulf, only 5,000' deep, will all be structurally more recent than the Chicxulub impact. My best guess is that there is no connection. The Gulf of Mexico itself, for instance, is not an earthquake zone or on a tectonic plate boundary.

It's not THAT unstable, and the geology is not the problem... the problem is a human, engineering one: that they drilled into and punctured an extremely high-pressure 'artery' that immediately trashed the best and strongest equipment in the oil industry.

(To make the point, here is a Blowout Preventer similar to the one that failed. Look at the size of it... but the pressure was just too great.

http://projectavalon.net/blowout_preventer.jpg

[jaybee]

Thanks for the reply, Bill.

For the record...I wasn't speculating that the disaster has been caused on purpose...but that caution may have been thrown to the wind, in the desire to tap into a LOT of oil, on American territory.

[Fredkc]

I am listening to the Lindsey Williams interview now, making notes but I just had to comment on:
Thanks for the reply, Bill.
For the record...I wasn't speculating that the disaster has been caused on purpose...but that caution may have been thrown to the wind, in the desire to tap into a LOT of oil, on American territory.
"Caution is a luxury." ;)
For those who've seen Avatar, I am instantly reminded of the Project manager, golf club in hand, staring at the underground vein, saying, "Look at all that cheddar!"
T'was all he saw, and any obstacle, no matter it's importance, had to be marginalized.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill;
Do you think mobilizing people to call BP (see my previous post for phone numbers) and requesting them to stop spraying Corexit would be effective?
I just called and was quickly directed to a real human who took my request.
She was nice. I was polite. I simply told them as a citizen to Stop spraying Corexit, Now. It's making the problem worse.
Thanks

Well done! We HAVE to be proactive.

We can't sit back and watch all this on TV like a disaster movie playing out.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill ...

What do you mean when you say.... "But something else is calling the real shots entirely."

viking

Thanks for the question - it needs a detailed response (an opportunity for a summary). It could not be more important.

I'll certainly do this... give me a short while.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bill,

now that they have realized that by capping the main leak it will cause other leaks to appear on the ocean floor from oil aiming for the path of least resistance, maybe you could answer this through some of your inside technical experts.

They have known about this well since 88 but knew they didn't have the means to contain the pressure

Is it too late at this point to pull out the underground tunneling equipment to drill down from Alabama, the closest land to this well, build a facility to handle the 10-16K PSI drill right to the edge pull the equipment and set off a charge to open the flow.

that would open a release with less resistance and prevent leaks from opening around the gulf that can't be contained.

have any of your experts mentioned how long it takes these boring machines to drill 1 mile underground?

[Bill Ryan]

Volcano

I'll get back to you! I feel as sure as I can be that this is not the case... but I'm going to do a little research to see what I can find. I do appreciate and respect your intelligent question.

[holcaul]

Maybe this blowout is the "Controller's" hyperdimensional distraction from whats's going on in the Gulf of Aden.

[Rocky_Shorz]

If this really was made by a "weapon" that created it almost instantly...

It would be the answer to saving the worlds oceans

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/1/1275352392107/guatemala-city-sinkhole-006.jpg

a metal cap could be created to drop over the whole with pipelines pointed out to the different refineries...

[eva08]

What would it take to move enough rocks, metal plates earth matter that could form a giant underwater "pressure - bandaid" to stop the leak? Like creating a new earth crust heavy enough to hold in the gushing. Like moving a mountain of heavy rocks on top of the gusher until a new sealing crust is formed? Needs to be huge, how huge?

[steve_a]

Hi Bill,

I also listened to the Lindsay Williams interview but from my perspective it seemed that he was trying to sensationalize something that was already known. Because of this Alex Jones, I think, didn't want to give him so much of the ball on his programme.

Williams spoke about the dangerous elements being released into the atmosphere as it was he who was giving the news straight from Mr. X's mouth, but which had been subject of a news report some days ago. He also mentioned that the pressure underground would have been 2 and 7,000lbs per square inch. He said his 'contacts' in the oil industry gave him this information. I'm not a mathematics scholar, but surely the downward pressure from the sea water around this?

"normal pressure increases approximately 0.465 psi per foot of depth (10.5kpa per meter of depth)." : http://oilgasglossary.com/overbalance.html
Thus, normal pressure at 5,000 feet is 2,325 psi.

So if the pressure was abnormal, the difference in the water may not have been that great if the pressure was to the lower end of the spectrum.

Williams gets a lot of his information, as he says, from this Mr. X. If this Mr. X tells him there is no conspiracy, because he realizes that this situation has got out of hand and not even the most heinous of men would give him and his ilk support, then Williams will pass that information on. Of course we could accept on face value what Lindsey said is the truth and it was a serious miscalculation of a greedy oil company wanting to exploit oil fields at any cost.

Not sure what to make of that interview.

Best regards,

Steve

[Happy Man]

Steve,
Lindsey said 20,000 to 70,000 psi, not 2,000 - 7,000 psi.

I have truth tested his report using applied kinesiology and get that he is telling the truth 100% as he understands it. However, on an absolute basis, the truth is that it was not an accident. All else in his report tests as true. I tested for who know about it before hand: Cheney, limited CIA black ops folks. All others test as not knowing beforehand: Tony Hayward, Suttles, Norm Panetta (head of CIA), Queen Elizabeth, the Pope, Obama.

However, my testing could be flawed, so no guarantees! I would be happier if a small group of us could truth test happenings, reports etc. and compare results. Then report here. We all have the ability to truth test. I could teach it over the phone to a group, or one-by-one vis Skype video.

Lew

[Happy Man]

Here's an interesting report:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19660

That report talks about abiogenic petroleum. Here is link to an report about it:

http://www.livescience.com/environment/051011_oil_origins.html

Lew

[avid]

Apologies if this has been posted previously - but BP is NOT British!!!

http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9014508&contentId=7027677


When BP merged with Amoco in 1998 the company’s name changed to BP Amoco, and the shield appeared side-by-side with Amoco’s equally familiar torch.

BP goes ‘beyond petroleum’
Then in 2000 BP, now a group of companies that included Amoco, ARCO and Castrol, unveiled a new global brand with a new mark, a sunburst of green, yellow and white symbolizing dynamic energy in all its forms. It was called the Helios after the sun god of ancient Greece.

In a press release announcing the change, the group said it had decided to retain the BP name because of its recognition around the world and because it stood for the new company’s aspirations: ‘better people, better products, big picture, beyond petroleum.’

This needs to be clarified - it is a GLOBAL corporation, the main ownership being in the USA corporate conglomerates....

[Rocky_Shorz]

now the question I have is they have been pumping this oil up to a ship long enough to know the chemical breakdown of what is coming out of the ground, we know it isn't all Oil and Natural Gas...

Obama mentioned it was going through a process to make it safe fuel to burn...

was he just talking about the disbursements mixed in?

or something far more sinister they are afraid of us knowing?

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings Bill,
Thanks for all you are doing to keep the world informed...I think threads and websites like yours help keep the pressure on those PTB to fix this mess ....your work is greatly appreciated by us here in Tampa Bay area.
My question is this: If all that needs be done is to collapse (close off) a couple of 8" to 23" pipes..even if they are a few feet or a few hundred feet underground....
why would the brains in charge of this catastrophe be talking about using a nuclear bomb to do it ?
It sounds like massive overkill to me...I almost get the feeling they WANT to make it worse...with all the foot dragging for almost two months, failures to plug the main hole...coupled with the stopping of air traffic over the Gulf, and stopping the fishermen, boaters, reporters, scientists who want to go out and witness this event...it just doesn't feel like a rescue/repair effort...it feels more like damage control for BP, et al.....there's whole page ads in our newspapers daily from BP telling us how hard they're working to correct this problem, and they've bought up several search engine accesses to control information....what's your take on this?
Thanks again and many blessings to you
Dave

[Rocky_Shorz]

It really doesn't matter who owns BP, but not 1 penny of dividends should be paid out until this mess is cleaned up...

when you bet on an oil well, it could be dry... that is part of the risks of investments...


National Iranian Oil Company became an international consortium, and AIOC resumed operations in Iran as a member of it.[11] The consortium agreed to share profits on a 50–50 basis with Iran, "but not to open its books to Iranian auditors or to allow Iranians onto its board of directors."[15] AIOC, as a part of the Anglo-American coup d'état deal, was not allowed to monopolise Iranian oil as before. It was limited to a 40% share in a new international consortium. For the rest, 40% went to the five major American companies and 20% went to Royal Dutch Shell and Compagnie Française des Pétroles, now Total S.A..[16]

The AIOC became the British Petroleum Company in 1954...


BP is a British-based global energy company which is the third largest energy company and the fourth largest company in the world. As a multinational oil company ("oil major"), BP is the United Kingdom's largest corporation, with its headquarters in St James's, City of Westminster, London...


Around 40% of BP shares are held by UK shareholders, and 39% in the USA...

BP History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP)

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks Lew,
I'm guessing all the stories about corpheads selling off hugh blocks of shares just days before the event, or corps shorting the stocks, futures...or Halliburton recently buying the biggest cleanup firm...any of this true, to your knowledge? ( Certainly is indicative of prior knowledge...) Thanks Dave

[tone3jaguar]

Reported on NBC nightly news tonight. Internal documents that show that BP was skipping corners while setting up this well and was warned against doing so. Ready for this? Warned by Halliburton. I know that it is the mass media and that they might be just playing grab ass with the PTB. However, here is the video link. You decide for yourself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/37695883#37695883

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm bringing this across from another thread...


BP Bailout Petroleum

A Series Of Lucky Coincidences Involving Goldman Sachs And BP plc

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/01/2010

Earlier, when observing the US AG disclosure of a civil and criminal investigation into BP plc, we noted in passing that BP's former Chairman, Peter Sutherland, who left the firm is a Chairman of Goldman Sachs International. Mr. Sutherland holds some other interesting titles, including a position on the Trilateral Commission, he was a chairman of the London School of Economics in 2008, he is a UN special representative for migration and development; he was the founding director-general of the World Trade Organization, he had previously served as director general of GATT since July 1993 and was instrumental in concluding the Uruguay GATT Round Negotiations. Needless to say, we focused on the Goldman relationship. When digging deeper, we uncovered some amusing correlations, most notably between the BP plc sellside ratings by Goldman BP analyst Michelle della Vigna and the Goldman Sachs Asset Management holdings of BP plc. These are summarized on the attached chart.

Continues with chart: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/series-lucky-coincidences-involving-goldman-sachs-bp-plc

one thing that makes me almost sure Halliburton didn't know what was coming was them buying the oil fire company a few weeks before the disaster... it was like catching a kid with his hand in the cookie jar

If they were involved there would be no trails pointing back at them...

It was almost like they were set up on this one to look responsible...

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hi there, after reading this: The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf (application/pdf) I thought about a different approach to find help. I suggest something that maybe some of you practice already: that we pray to mother Earth, to stop the flow of oil, if she's able to do that. The document that is attached above, originally posted by Bill, with details of technical issues and possible outcome of those kind of solutions, is quite clear in a horrific way: so far no stopping of the oil flow, chemicals being thrown in, clogging material and mud being used to stop the flow..... and recently I've seen a video with flames in the stream of oil and gas that is gushing out of the ocean floor.
Here's the source:
Greetings from Michael Knight, Editor, Earth Change Report.

This'll make your stomach churn - there are flames at the well head in BP's blown out gusher in the Gulf of Mexico.
We got some inside information that makes it clear that this is MUCH MUCH worse than any official is prepared to admit.
This catastrophe has world wide ramifications - because it is only ONE of many earth changes that we are now experiencing.
See the flames for yourself on the video I have posted at your special "oil spill latest" page - where you can also access a free report I have just written on the dire consequences facing people around the Gulf Coast - and even way up the East Coast.
Click here http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/oil-spill-latest.html
to see the flaming gusher in the Gulf of Mexico and get a free Special Report - "Dire Effects - Evacuations Imminent."
This is life-changing stuff for all of us - and life-threatening for many.
Sincerely Michael Knight

[Happy Man]

Lefty Dave,
I beleive those are all true. I have seen them reported elsewhere, even MSM, if I remeber correctly. SOrry, I don't have links. :0(

[Humble Janitor]

Sorry no question, just an observation. Maybe we should all put the call out for some assistance! And before people start on about its our mess etc....Sometimes people just need help, and an advanced race could do just that.

Love,

Kriya

The problem is, if they did offer to help, would mankind simply summon them every time a catastrophe like this takes place? We'll never learn if it gets to a point where "outside forces" have to step in and fix our stupid, stupid mistakes.

[Humble Janitor]

Bill,

Do you think that the controllers see this as their last attempt to seize power? Do you think that perhaps it's their last "card in the deck" as swine-flu and total economic collapse have both failed to materialize?

Personally, I think they're in for a huge surprise. We have come too far to just perish over something like this. ;)

[Humble Janitor]

Well done! We HAVE to be proactive.

We can't sit back and watch all this on TV like a disaster movie playing out.

We can't live in fear of this disaster everyday either. It will always be there and it's important that people talk about it, stay aware of it and be alert. But, don't let it take over your life.

[Eric J (Viking)]

The problem is, if they did offer to help, would mankind simply summon them every time a catastrophe like this takes place? We'll never learn if it gets to a point where "outside forces" have to step in and fix our stupid, stupid mistakes.

Of course not...it would change 'Humanity'

viking

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Bill,

Do you think that the controllers see this as their last attempt to seize power? Do you think that perhaps it's their last "card in the deck" as swine-flu and total economic collapse have both failed to materialize?

Personally, I think they're in for a huge surprise. We have come too far to just perish over something like this. ;)i think were away off the last card in the deck, next card in deck is ww3, then final card a false flag et invasion or real invasion if they can pull it off.. nuclear war first tho which is being prepared right now.. webbot sees november as a poss jump olff point for nuclear echange.. or it may be somethinh equally as bad.. whatever it is, its gonna be bigger than 9/11 by miles..

[grannyfranny100]

Bill

Your use of Veritas material (James Fox) is a sign that you, Mel and others are cooperating. Kudos!

grannyfranny

[THIRDEYE]

bill,ty for posting this thread!!!and i must say what an honor to be part of the avolon forum my thanks to you and your staff bill,much light love an abundance my friend.as far as the golf leak is concerned im horrified over the devasataion to mother earth and all her children!!!!ive done some research on this topic as far as clean up is concerned.they have the technology to use microbiology and bugs that will eat the oil and leave no byproducts behind,in fact this technology states the can have the oil and the marshes cleaned in six weeks.for the love of the great creator i cant understand why they are not using this tecnology???ive als read that there are mantle shifts at this leak sight,in fact i saw a live video feed of flames coming off the oil plume...i think we as a collective need to send healing light and love and ask our et brothers and sisters for some divine intervention.i see no end to this leak for some quite time,however the paradox is the poeples our brothers and sisters are waking up!!!!this i see as a good thing cause awareness bring about change and the power to change timelines!!!!so it is my intention that other sources come to our aid in fixing this leak,i also believe that the galactic federation will not let us destroy this universal gift that we have been blessed with,the old saying goes bad things open doors to good things,i think the healing intention of all will be the answer to this dileema that civilization has been exposed too!!! again to everyone may all be blessed with ligh tlove and abundance.......thirdeye

[HORIZONS]

Question: What made the DW Horizon rig sink? How did the explosion and fire on top of the rig make the whole rig collapse and sink? It was built from the ground up to withstand major storm, and other types of damage--what gives? It looks like a twin towers scenario with building 7 collapsing for no good reason - and nobody much talking about it. Did I miss something?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Question: What made the DW Horizon rig sink? How did the explosion and fire on top of the rig make the whole rig collapse and sink? It was built from the ground up to withstand major storm, and other types of damage--what gives? It looks like a twin towers scenario with building 7 collapsing for no good reason - and nobody much talking about it. Did I miss something?

Horizon....

You are absolutely spot on...I have been thinking about exactly the same thing for a couple of days...also one of the reasons why I believe this was not an accident!!!

THIS AVENUE NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED... things dont add up!!!!

Rupture at the botton of the sea thousands of feet below in one of the pipes!!!!!! And the whole rig goes down!!!!

Horizon I dont think you missed a thing!!!

viking

[the_IRF]

I have probably missed it somewhere, but has anyone explained why the oil is Reddish Brown in color?

I have only seen Black looking oil associated with oil spills.

I have not heard the TV or other media mention anything about this obvious difference or ask why the color is different.

Also, does anyone what the terminology about Mud Volcanoes is all about?

See the following post for YouTube videos that raise these questions.

[the_IRF]

Re- [Think-About-it] Unbelievable occult angle Interview on BP Oil Spill

AntimatterRadio — June 12, 2010 — AntimatterRadio.com, TheEdgeAm.com. The gulf oil spill and the end of the world as we know it. Jeffrey Grupp on the Edge Broadcast with Daniel Ott, 6-12-10.

http://antimatterradio.com/ -> okay

http://theedgeam.com/ -> Google Warning


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12 parts TheEdgeAm.com (http://theedgeam.com). The gulf oil spill and the end of the world as we know it. Jeffrey Grupp on the Edge Broadcast with Daniel Ott, 6-12-10.



1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJWLbgsOfLE

2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WDVhcW4dY

3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1zutJg2Rg

4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_FqASRgV8

5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w09s1GxQ9xs

6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QOK2ybNZok

7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj0Ghyxy8qw

8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJUfpfIKi6A

9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zxTjbcXrHk

10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD_rawblxew

11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBVG4NoKoU

12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBg6xIKrMg



I do not know if the Project Avalon readership is familiar with these sites or the YouTube videos. I wasn’t.

The conjecture here, though perhaps not in the general milieu of Project Avalon, still contributes to the amplification and spooling up of Contained Energy. This is just what the doctor ordered if you wanted to provide ample stores of ‘coal’ to stoke the mantle fires in the Planet with added fuel.

If it were the plan to have the mantle become soft and liquid, so the tectonic plates could heave and move easily when Planet-X/Nibiru shows up, then this extra fuel stoking would be what you would expect.

My assertion, my understanding, my information says that, no, the “old-story” Phoenix Phase/Genesis Cycle dynamic will not be permitted to continue again to produce another timeline and a sending off of the elites into their respective deep futures as a space culture as has happened repeatedly before (supposedly).

What is to replace the “old-story” repeating survival dynamic of this illusion, this false-dimension(s)? The NEW STORY is arriving… quickly. The NEW STORY is not the New Age ascension story, either. That was all a memory of the “old-story” future.

Why is this happening? The “boss”-gear showed up for its inspection tour of this experimental construction site and found it wanting. The construct can not do real-balance, the qualifying test to enter into real-dimension. So, it decided there will be no more “fixes”. There will be no more timeline attempts at achieving real-balance as an expression within the illusion. The illusion is to dissipate. Contained Energy of physicality is to dissipate. The old dead thoughtforms that are the foundational constructs from which this failed experiment were composed are being sucked up by the “boss”-gear. Conceptually it is a black hole bigger than the whole of the Cosmos or Universe evolved from the Big Bang.

You will probably want to know more about why I have this information and the details of what is to happen to the human expressions, both stimulus-design and Male-soul design.

Well, if I stay interested enough to make 50 posts, then I get to be able to start a Group or post a Thread of my own where I can address all of this in a cohesive manner for you. Until then you are censored from knowing much or being able to ask much. Sorry.

It is a happy story.

Stimulus designs get to go home, finally, to what I call for fun the energy Union Hall in real dimensions. It is from there that all which is ever expressed gets the energy do manifest that expression.

The mass consciousness of the Male-soul is already existent in real-dimensions as MAN, whatever that looks like.

The mass consciousness of the Male-soul design has a challenge. That challenge is to ‘remember’ itself as MAN in real-dimensions, to accomplish the action of doing real-balance. To do this the ‘cells’ of itself, the physical expressions, the ground crew member, have to be able to leave behind a present expression Experience they are doing and do another. Typically this was done in the past via Heroic Battle and physical death. But this was just a false-balance technique, not the action of doing real-balance.

All that is needed is to accomplish real-balance is the act of Amnesia. Today you are a car salesman or ditch digger, for example. First you decide you are bored with that and decide to conclude or End that Experience. Then you simply do the expression of another Experience (any experience), which you then have the job of in-taking.

The problem is to be able to forget the Experience you decided to End. Perfect Amnesia is required to do this. Without perfect Amnesia you have memories (good or bad) of that Experience. It is the memory stuff that spools up the amplification of excess Contained Energy, which then must, in turn, be expelled to obtain a non-disease inducing state of being. The memory stuff gets in the way of in-taking the new Experience. Only false-balance can be achieved this way. The act of doing real-balance is failed.

You can see why this has never been done before; not from this plane of existence, this plane of slowed down expression, this failed experiment, this illusion of the false-dimensions.

But do not worry. All the energy of all the stimulus-design Beings which have valiantly kept this failed experiment going until the “boss”-gear arrived will finally get to go home. If you will permit a bit of levity, I say that all unpaid beer tabs have been paid at the energy Union Hall tavern on the green.

What happens to the energy composing the constructs of the Male-soul designs that were supposed to express here as MAN? I don’t know… not for sure, yet. I will guess that it will go to real-dimensions and hook up with the design it was assigned to in the first place… the 3U construct known as the MAN expression.

3U (UUU) [Where U = amplification] equates to (U of stimulus) with (U of “boss”-gear) with (U of energy-expression)
All three component “gears” (stimulus, “boss”, energy) work together in a Complete unit within the thoughtform or “feeling-energy-shape” of the MAN origination that the Big “boss”-gear deemed appropriate for its Experience collage.

In real-dimensions there are Originations that the “boss”-gear has deemed appropriate for its Experience . They qualify for expression in real-dimensions because they can demonstrate the ability to do real-balance. Real-balance is defined as the Absence of Stimulus.

There are now 11 such Originations, MAN being the ninth, JUDGEMET (discernment) being the 10th and the NEW STORY being the 11th.

For Follow Up Information, see the blog: EductiveFutureGroup.com (http://www.eductivefuturegroup.com)

[Lyricus]

BP oil spill: 9 strange facts
The ongoing tragedy in the Gulf of Mexico has produced more than a few unusual and unexpected outcomes


Could Kevin Costner stop the oil spill? Photo: Getty SEE ALL 36 PHOTOS
There has been no shortage of tragedy and heartbreak attached to what may already be the greatest environmental catastrophe in U.S. history. But elements of strangeness and irony have also been part of the story. Here, nine facts in that vein about the spill:

1. BP execs were celebrating safety on the Deepwater Horizon at the exact moment it blew up.
In a curious twist, BP chose April 20 as the date for an onboard party to commemorate "Deepwater Horizon going for seven years without an accident." A number of company executives reportedly flew out to the rig to take part in the festivities. The natural gas explosion that killed 11 crew members and eventually sank the rig "blew out the wall leading to the galley, where [the] party was being held."

2. Kevin Costner is offering a Hollywood ending.
After the Exxon Valdez spill, Costner sunk $24 million of his own money into developing a machine — it resembles "a giant vacuum cleaner" — capable of quickly separating oil from water. He says his patented "Ocean Therapy" system can recover much of the crude now marring the Gulf. "It’s prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them," Costner says.

3. Louisiana's tradional "Shrimp and Petroleum Festival" will proceed as planned.
Morgan City, LA, is celebrating the 75th annual Louisiana Shrimp and Petroleum Festival, even as gobs of sweet crude are threatening to wipe out the state's seafood business for a generation. "All systems are go," said Lee Delaune, the festival’s director. "We will honor the two industries as we always do. More so probably in grand style, because it's our diamond jubilee."

4. BP thinks there are walruses in the Gulf of Mexico.
In the company's "Regional Oil Spill Response Plan, Gulf of Mexico" — a document that tragically ignores the possibility of an event resembling the current spill — BP lists walruses as one of the "Sensitive Biological Resources" in the Gulf. As most average second-graders know, the blubbery mammals reside exclusively in the Arctic.

5. The Soviets would have nuked the leak.
According to the newspaper Pravda, the Soviet Union used nuclear weapons to shut down oil-well blowouts five times between 1966 and 1977. "The underground explosion moves the rock, presses on it, and, in essence, squeezes the well's channel," the paper says, arguing that the U.S. should try the same approach.

6. Certain sea turtles just can't catch a break.
In 1979, endangered Kemp's Ridley sea turtles were airlifted from Mexico to the Gulf Coast so they wouldn't be wiped out in the huge Ixtoc blowout, the oil disaster that most closely parallels the BP spill. Now, in their transplanted nesting ground, the species could be wiped out by the Deepwater Horizon gusher.

7. BP may be charged royalties on every drop of spilled oil.
Under the law, oil spilled is the same as oil sold. So with the Deepwater Horizon gushing tens of thousands of barrels per day (by many estimates), BP — which has been notoriously "conservative" with leak-rate estimates — may already be liable for as much as $35 million in taxes on the oil released into the Gulf.

8. The disaster could thaw relations between the U.S. and Cuba.
The spill has led the two countries to engage in rare talks as the U.S. tries to avert damage to Cuba's "pristine coral reefs, miles of mangroves, and nesting areas for green sea turtles." David Guggenheim, a senior fellow at the Ocean Foundation in Washington, says, "We caused this mess [so] how are we going to help them deal with it?"

9. "Brownie" thinks a conspiracy is afoot.
Michael Brown, who famously did a "heckuva job" managing the federal response to Katrina, thinks that the government's relative inaction in this latest Gulf Coast disaster is best explained by a conspiracy theory: The president doesn't really want to plug the leak, says Brown, because doing so might interfere with his secret plot "to bankrupt the coal industry, and basically get rid of the oil and gas industry."

http://theweek.com/article/index/203378/bp-oil-spill-9-strange-facts

[Rimbaud]

What's refreshing for me on these comments ,is the lack of anti-British rhetoric that occurs daily in the US news beamed into Europe TV..Poor old Brits..we're getting a bashing from every angle these days. Why doesn't our new PM at least try to explain to the notoriously dimwitted U.S press that the BP blowout is entirely due to the American greed for oil..the rig was owned and run by Americans, with American engineers in situ, with American safety consultants insisting on a deep sea drill as opposed to offhore short bore drilling; with the end result being light crude oil for purely American consumption

Obama is behaving like a bombastic Yahoo over this issue and is totally out of his depth here. We're all horrified about the potential enviromental damage caused by this leak, so let's all do our best to help (I'm flying from France this week to help if I can)..I'm just old enough to remember Exon valdez and the destruction that it caused in the British Isles..For many Americans that's ok though, as it didn't impact them; But it damned well impacted on us, without a peny of compensation paid as far as I am aware...

Rimbaud

[Rimbaud]

P.S..Maybe this will force this useless President to bring about the free energery devices that we've all heard of and need..I doubt that it will happen though, as he seems to be a total wimp without a script!

Rimbaud

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

didnt john searl say he was going to try and meet obama.. im sure he said in july after the free energy tesla conference or similar.. it was on a recent coast to coast interveiw with george noory.. maybe searl has the answer to this too/?/ im sure the secret black ops govy crew would rather see this leak persist to get there nau agenda through.

[the_IRF]

I heard on the news tonight that BP has ordered 30 of the Costner centrifuge devices. I think i hear also that they have been working closely with his engineer/professor/relative to advance the scale or size of the device.

[Strat]

Is there a link that has a detailed image of the damaged section of the pipe, or whatever is leaking? The live video feed doesn't really show much. Also is there a way I could send a suggestion on to the people that are trying to fix this? I heard they're getting thousands of suggestions but I can't seem to find a link.

[sygh]

kryia,
First of all, hello. I am new to the Project, as a member, but not new to the work or, subject matter. Glad to be here. Asking for help seems to be an excellent idea. I don't mean to presume but is it possible someone known through this venue, one who has had direct contact with one or more members of an advanced race, step forward for this task?

[kriya]

kryia,
First of all, hello. I am new to the Project, as a member, but not new to the work or, subject matter. Glad to be here. Asking for help seems to be an excellent idea. I don't mean to presume but is it possible someone known through this venue, one who has had direct contact with one or more members of an advanced race, step forward for this task?

Now that would be interesting, sygh and:welcome: With all the people who claim direct contact, I wonder how many could actually come up with the goods.

Benevolent off worlders hear anyones thoughts though, so if you and I put the thought out there with sincerity and a pure heart, miracles might happen. I don't expect them to save the day, maybe just some assistence!!

Love,

Kriya

[noxon medem]

Question: What made the DW Horizon rig sink? How did the explosion and fire on top of the rig make the whole rig collapse and sink? It was built from the ground up to withstand major storm, and other types of damage--what gives? It looks like a twin towers scenario with building 7 collapsing for no good reason - and nobody much talking about it. Did I miss something?

I do not know exactly why DW Horizon sank, but that event is not unique to history, and many oil rigs
have been sinking for different reasons throughout the world in our recent quest for oil.
The case with most parallels to DW Horizon-incident is the Ixtoc 1-blowout outside Mexico in 1979
(but that one drilling at only 160 feet deep water, to 11,800 feet below the seafloor)
were the rig, called Sedco 135F, also blew up and sank, resulting in one of the largest oilspills till now,
also in Gulf Of Mexico, estimated to a total of 140 million gallons total, from June 3. 1979 to March 23. 1980.

Found this databank of oil rig disasters, it is not complete and updated but gives an overview of accidents, blowouts,
human fatalities, and sinking of oil rigs the last 40 years.

http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/

From 185 listed incidents ( the Rig List subsection ) there is 65 sinkings, and some listed as blowouts were also sinking.
DW Horizon is of course a case of its own, but this puts it in some perspective.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey Thanks Noxon...I had a quick skim through the web site you provided and most of them sunk due to bad weather, metal fatigue, loss of towline, human error and equipment failure. I found one that sunk due to an explosion on the rig!! not below...

I cannot understand how the rupture down below caused the explosion on the rig???...and as Horizon has said caused the rig to sink!! I cannot see a logical pattern to this......

I am not an engineer so forgive me if I am missing something!!

viking

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Hey Thanks Noxon...I had a quick skim through the web site you provided and most of them sunk due to bad weather, metal fatigue, loss of towline, human error and equipment failure. I found one that sunk due to an explosion on the rig!! not below...

I cannot understand how the rupture down below caused the explosion on the rig???...and as Horizon has said caused the rig to sink!! I cannot see a logical pattern to this......

I am not an engineer so forgive me if I am missing something!!

viking

apparently when they hit the pocket methane gas was at the top of it. so it blew all the seals off the drill pipe all the way up. i remember reading at the time that people on the rig heard a massive wind rushing sound and could smell gas, the surivivors immediatley ran out of the crew quarters i think.. it exploded due to 50 000 psi of gas pressure coming up the pipe and it would only need 1 spark with all that gas about to dowhat happend.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

latest news from richard c hoagland on the oil spill... if it goes bad its gonna create 600 feet high tsunami and a mount st helens size underwater explosion.. there is a hypersonic bubble that has formed unde rhte seabed this is much miuch worse than we can even imagine..

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1C216590488D3F0D


que webbots coastal events and diaspora.. evac of gulf coming.. this may be the end of the wilcoclk/hoagland obuma love in.. the guy is a illuminati fascist puppet that needs removing now!!!

[Northern Boy]

que webbots coastal events and diaspora.. evac of gulf coming.. this may be the end of the wilcoclk/hoagland obuma love in.. the guy is a illuminati fascist puppet that needs removing now!!!

N0 lets just forgive him for sitting on his overpaid big eared ass for 2 months twiddling his ****ing thumbs and pretending he had a handle on this disasster We all saw the bull **** when he was elected promise them this and that to get into office and then **** on John Q public as the new puppet stuffs his pockets all i have to say is Wilcock is some seer man How could those that see a rat and smell a rat elected to office be wrong

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

well @least hoagland is waking up.. it took the destruction of nasa to finally realise that obuma is just bp/goldman suchs puppet.. hes demonstrated his inabiltiy to do anything, he has lied at everyturn, what will wilcock say about war with iran?? lol obuma is a dead duck pres.. the illuminati know it and the american people know it.. this oil spill is the final nail in the coffin for this goon and his handlers.

[Northern Boy]

:thumb:lol

[Moemers]

Do you guys think Greenpeace could have done this?

Like, in order to really get some change and the alt-energy ball rolling, they somehow orchestrated this massive spill?

That popped into my mind earlier today.

[the_IRF]

well @least hoagland is waking up.. it took the destruction of nasa to finally realise that obuma is just bp/goldman suchs puppet.. hes demonstrated his inabiltiy to do anything, he has lied at everyturn, what will wilcock say about war with iran?? lol obuma is a dead duck pres.. the illuminati know it and the american people know it.. this oil spill is the final nail in the coffin for this goon and his handlers.

Hay PINEL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH and Northern Boy! I very much enjoy your Mirthful IRREVERENCE and Pirate disposition.

I hope you will enjoy this too:

ETs Lose Control [ http://bit.ly/ETs-LoseControl ]

ATTENTION : Bildebergers [ http://bit.ly/ATTENTION-Bildebergers ]

Denuding the “Bildeberger Group” [ http://bit.ly/BildebergersDenuded ]

[Northern Boy]

Lets see If I can`t figure this out :confused:


1. Worldwide water shortages coming up in 2020 and their fun wars.
The boss Gear has more of these fun wars planned does he oh how wonderful to grace us with more needless death and destruction he must definitely be all loving and forgiving


2. National interests getting out of hand and driving economically disadvantageous or unnecessarily unprofitable/profitable wars.Unless he (the Boss Gear) has missed the boat national interests have been replaced by Global interests


3. Food shortages, driving immigration or global shame.Food shortages where do we see these lots of food out there other than Grocery stores problem with humanity is they are to conditioned as to what is edible and what isn`t and that will be their own downfall . If you don`t know what to look for how can one eat everyday


4. Regionalized overpopulation without economic future driving immigration.Economic future is a fact you need to get used to it won`t be there study up on living in communal harmony and growing local foods , overpopulation is a myth you don`t like it then do what i tell people like Bill Gates or David Rockerfeller jump under a bus and do us a favour

5. Uncontrollable immigration.how many times are we going to bring this up

6. Shortage of sustainable energy that does not adversely denigrate the advancements of personal or planetary lifestyle … or the eco-system.yes these are all my fault buy or learn how to make candles if you want to see in the dark advancements in personal lifestyle are something corporate greed has given us you can`t blame the people for greed when the resource was theirs to begin with


7. Oh, you keep on making the list …Bulls hit bulls hit bulls hit you left out Climate change and CO2 gas

There how did I make out

[the_IRF]

What great fun, Northern Boy.

Mirthful Irreverence with a flair, i should say.

By the way, the "boss"-gear wasn't here to write the contract driven expression of the illusion that you so well describe. Nor do i necessarily endorse the rational that the "Illuminati" may easily and possibly likely employ to defend/explain likely reasoning behind their self insuring power grab.

But to be plain, no, the "boss"-gear is probably the furthest thing you can imagine from "all loving and forgiving". IT is disinterested with the illusion and humans, unlike the Planet, which doesn't have any use for humans whatsoever. In truth of fact, the Planet hates humans, almost as much as it hated dinosaurs, which it handily got rid of. You might want to say that everything here is of or from the "boss"-gear, but that is also the furthest thing from the truth possible. Everything here is almost completely the stuff that was rejected as possibilities that could demonstrate real-balance.

The "energy-feeling shapes" [not emotion but rather the feel of being on a swing or roller coaster] that express, such as color, sound, shape, wind, water, plant and tree (all with quote marks), are expressions which can and do demonstrate the ability to do real-balance.

All the "animal" and creepy crawly things, bacteria, fungi (that weave the web of life) and humans, all fail that test and are cataloged as useless, uninteresting, or reject designs.

Only the mass consciousness of the Male-soul design, which was supposed to express as MAN, is left, and now faced with an impossible challenge... as least one that has never been accomplished before... to demonstrate real-balance. This, the Male-soul design could never do since its internal "boss"-gear component couldn't be active with a Voice-Within, since the big "boss"-gear server farm was not available to the illusion experiment to link to.

That link is now possible. The question is whether or not the internal structure of the "boss"-gear link within has atrophied to the point of usability or not. Will it activate, can it still function... this is the question. Do you have one? Will it still work? Do you hear your Voice-Within. Or are you of the stimulus-design construct, the most thankless assignment of all. If so, you now finally get to go home to the energy Union Hall in real dimensions. You will not be returning again and again with contract incarnations to drive aggravation into the illusion so it will do something and survive and stay in expression. Bye the way, any unpaid beer tabs you had have been paid in full.

Either way, it is good news all the way around. The "old story" is over. Only memory remnants of its false-future is left. The NEW STORY of real dimensions is on it way in.

I hope this is encouraging to you. That is what is meant by it. That is why i bother to write.

Thanks for the reply and commentary.

Respectfully yours,
the_IRF

[Northern Boy]

All the "animal" and creepy crawly things, bacteria, fungi (that weave the web of life) and humans, all fail that test and are cataloged as useless, uninteresting, or reject designs.

My apologies for taking it the wrong way and let me be the first to welcome you to the reject club. Never heard of the Big gear would that be one and the same as the creator and I do have issues with this part of your statement "humans, all fail that test" it is misleading the Indigenous tribes lived in harmony with nature for many years taking only what they needed it wasn`t till the greedy white man came along that balance fell out of place other wise if we had followed them then we would have a better connection to mother earth and nature but the European`s wanted to stamp out the natives and change their way of life ............... oh how I wish they`d failed in that aspect and we had adopted their way of life so carry on and tell us more of the big gear and what we can expect

[Samarkis]

My apologies for taking it the wrong way and let me be the first to welcome you to the reject club. Never heard of the Big gear would that be one and the same as the creator and I do have issues with this part of your statement "humans, all fail that test" it is misleading the Indigenous tribes lived in harmony with nature for many years taking only what they needed it wasn`t till the greedy white man came along that balance fell out of place other wise if we had followed them then we would have a better connection to mother earth and nature but the European`s wanted to stamp out the natives and change their way of life ............... oh how I wish they`d failed in that aspect and we had adopted their way of life so carry on and tell us more of the big gear and what we can expect


AWESOME my friend!!!
In Light!

[the_IRF]

My apologies for taking it the wrong way and let me be the first to welcome you to the reject club. Never heard of the Big gear would that be one and the same as the creator and I do have issues with this part of your statement "humans, all fail that test" it is misleading the Indigenous tribes lived in harmony with nature for many years taking only what they needed it wasn`t till the greedy white man came along that balance fell out of place other wise if we had followed them then we would have a better connection to mother earth and nature but the European`s wanted to stamp out the natives and change their way of life ............... oh how I wish they`d failed in that aspect and we had adopted their way of life so carry on and tell us more of the big gear and what we can expect

The creator concept that has been worked with from within the expression is and can only be a stimulus-driven contract anchored explanation "religion" construct. No one should be expected to comprehend that the "boss"-gear is a far more vast dynamic that any God or Maker or Creator concept with which we all grew up understanding.

Yes, i get your point about how the Native American peoples lived in harmony with nature. Yes, they assumed they were in tune with the Planet. Yes, i can see why you and everyone would assume that the "boss"-gear is the same concept at that of the creator. It is, sort of, but only in the sense that it is what had the authority to direct that this experiment be expressed. That this may or may not be so is not the point. They were not able to do real-balance. In fact, they drove their excess Contained Energy into the Planet. They were especially good at this. Their dancing drove it into the Planet. The Planet will tell you it hurts a lot. Their high pitched songs do the same thing. They didn't and don't know this. It is not their fault. It is the wrong design of the illusion that is at fault. That is why the "boss"-gear decided to End this experiment without Experiencing it. All the timelines were all just failed play re-writes. None of them worked. None can work. That is why the "boss"-gear directed that there be a whole new play, the NEW STORY.

Yes, i get your point about how the Native American peoples lived in harmony with nature. Yes, they assumed they were in tune with the Planet. Yes, i can see why you and everyone would assume that the "boss"-gear is the same concept at that of the creator. It is, sort of, but only in the sense that it is what had the authority to direct that this experiment be expressed. The creator concept that has been worked with from within the expression is and can only be a stimulus-driven contract anchored explanation "religion" construct. No one should be expected to comprehend that the "boss"-gear is a far more vast dynamic that any God or Maker or Creator concept with which we all grew up understanding. That this may or may not be so is not the point. They were not able to do real-balance. In fact, they drove their excess Contained Energy into the Planet. They were especially good at this. Their dancing drove it into the Planet. The Planet will tell you it hurts a lot. Their high pitched songs do the same thing. They didn't and don't know this. It is not their fault. It is the wrong design of the illusion that is at fault. That is why the "boss"-gear decided to End this experiment without Experiencing it. All the timelines were all just failed play re-writes. None of them worked. None can work. That is why the "boss"-gear directed that there be a whole new play, the NEW STORY.

I hope this helps a little bit. To get any of this is really challenging. It has taken me 15 years worth of pain to understand. I had to grasp things and then the pain would go away. Its a long story. I am told that i can no longer provide readers with links to my blog where there are whole pages or posts that address and explain stuff like this pain regimen i was required to go through. So unless you can successfully get the moderators to change their minds, i am not permitted to give you that information, as far as i know, at least at this point.

I guess you can use the cumbersome way of PM-ing me and we can go through that extra chore process if you want to. Sorry.

Respectfully yours,
the_IRF

[noxon medem]

- Just a polite reminder that this thread (a difficult word) is on: "Questions and Answers about the Gulf Oil Catastrophe."
I am well aware that absolutely everything is connected, and the most esotheric viewpoint have some relevance to the situation,
but maybe the forum would be better served if someone could start a separate ( new ) string or theme ( thread ... ) about the
philosophy, excistence and meaning of The Big "Boss-Gear". (that makes very interesting reading, so thanks for that, by the way.)

Of course it could be argued that this planet is a gear ( and maybe a big one ) in the cosmic mechanism, and if so it needs its oil.
And most conventional type of gear is part of a mechanic, and there is still someone or other that pull the levers for speed and direction.

On the failing of every ( contemporary ) human it could be stated that we humans on general are weak, vain and feeble creatures, and that
no man is fit for too much power and responsibility. To few people (leaders) having too much influence on the situation is also a cause
of the Gulf Oil Catastrophy. Many "heavy" incidents are. And the answer (solution) is NOT to form a limited authority above those leaders,
just (or unjust) leaving even fewer individuals with even greater judging and deciding power. That much should be a given by now ...

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

Volcano

I'll get back to you! I feel as sure as I can be that this is not the case... but I'm going to do a little research to see what I can find. I do appreciate and respect your intelligent question.

I've changed my view... it depends on your definition of a volcano (to some extent!) - but do listen to my new interview with Dr Bill Deagle here (http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_16_June_2010.mp3). He states that BP may have drilled into a batholith (and much more).

[Bill Ryan]

Question: What made the DW Horizon rig sink? How did the explosion and fire on top of the rig make the whole rig collapse and sink? It was built from the ground up to withstand major storm, and other types of damage--what gives? It looks like a twin towers scenario with building 7 collapsing for no good reason - and nobody much talking about it. Did I miss something?

The Deepwater Horizon sank because it was a floating vessel (a kind of 'ship')... not built solidly on the seabed. And this is what happened to it.

(source slideshow here (http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-photos-of-the-deepwater-oil-explosion-2010-4#-1))

http://projectavalon.net/Deepwater_Horizon_fire_1.jpeg

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http://projectavalon.net/Deepwater_Horizon_fire_3.jpeg

http://projectavalon.net/Deepwater_Horizon_fire_4.jpeg

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[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

now that they have realized that by capping the main leak it will cause other leaks to appear on the ocean floor from oil aiming for the path of least resistance, maybe you could answer this through some of your inside technical experts.

They have known about this well since 88 but knew they didn't have the means to contain the pressure

Is it too late at this point to pull out the underground tunneling equipment to drill down from Alabama, the closest land to this well, build a facility to handle the 10-16K PSI drill right to the edge pull the equipment and set off a charge to open the flow.

that would open a release with less resistance and prevent leaks from opening around the gulf that can't be contained.

have any of your experts mentioned how long it takes these boring machines to drill 1 mile underground?

It's not a totally crazy thought that they could use one of their giant classified tunnel-boring machines to get down into the deep strata. Dr Bill Deagle refers to their capabilities in his new interview here (http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_16_June_2010.mp3). Here are some photos of the ones in the PUBLIC domain (http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html), many years old now.

They are remotely guided (not manned) and can travel pretty fast - certainly 20 miles per day, maybe more. That seems to me to be a precision way of laying a charge of any kind anywhere.

A great premise for a movie... a tunnel boring machine with a nuke on board. In the movie, Bruce Willis would have to drive the thing, then set the timer and give himself ten minutes to escape on a Harley back along the smooth-walled tunnel, racing the blast.

[the_IRF]

- Just a polite reminder that this thread (what an awful word) is on: "Questions and Answers about the Gulf Oil Catastrophe."

I am well aware that absolutely everything is connected, and the most esoteric viewpoints have some relevance to the situation, but maybe the forum would be better served if someone could start a separate ( new ) string or theme ( thread ... ) about the philosophy, existence and meaning of The Big "Boss-Gear". (that makes very interesting reading, so thanks for that, by the way.)

Of course it could be argued that this planet is a gear ( and maybe a big one ) in the cosmic mechanism, and if so it needs its oil. And most conventional type of gear is part of a mechanic, and there is still someone or other that pull the levers for speed and direction.

On the failing of every ( contemporary ) human, it could be stated that we humans in general are weak, vain and feeble creatures, and that no man is fit for too much power and responsibility. Too few people (leaders) having too much influence on the situation is also a cause of the Gulf Oil Catastrophe. Many "heavy" incidents are. And the answer (solution) is NOT to form a limited authority above those leaders, just (or unjust) leaving even fewer individuals with even greater judging and deciding power. That much should be a given by now ...

YES, Noxon Medem, I most fervently and heartily agree with you:

“maybe the forum would be better served if someone could start a separate ( new ) string or theme ( thread ... ) about the philosophy, existence and meaning of The Big "Boss-Gear".”

This is something I would very much like to accommodate. I have gradiously been encouraged by many who are very interested in the data I am now allow to make available. The problem is that I have been informed by the moderator Richard that I can only do that after 50 posts, if I am allowed to have a Senior Member status upon a judged review of my posting “style”. Of course that means I have to engage on posts. Sadly I thought having information pointing to the Why behind What that is going on might be useful. I hoped it would diminish the anguish if it could be understood what the Big Picture is to some extent, as I am given to understand it.

You can imagine, perhaps, just how surprised I was to be brought to understanding the “shedding excess contained energy” thing was what was really happening with the oil spill. Especially surprising for me was that it also template the shedding of the “old dead thoughtforms that constitute the foundations of this illusions”. All of this is a ramped up onset to the NEW STORY arrival. Gosh, what a shock all that insight / understanding was for me too!

Also, thank you ever so much for, “(that makes very interesting reading, so thanks for that, by the way.)” It is helpful beyond words.

After 15+ years of pain from having to clear energy-flow blockage do to wrongly held false-thoughtform understandings, it is nice to have it be worth something. You might guess that I had pain, which I had to clear due to the oil spill… as only understanding what was really going on would free up the blockage. Well, that is not exactly true… but it very well could have been had I not gotten onto the question quickly. I have learned to get ahead of the curve and get things addressed before the pain concentrates my attention. I have developed a special sort or pain avoidance radar, if you will. Also, please know, that as I write this I have a Pirate’s Mirthful Laugh (roar) going on internally throughout my system. I am a hearty sort and though I bitch about the pain, it makes me laugh at the silliness of it all… and its absolute authority over guiding me to the required “What Is Needed” for my “education”. I guess I take it this way. The power and authority of the pain is a perfect match for my robust presence to self… dare I say power?

But all that is of no real consequence. Yes, you are right to recognize the Planet as a big gear. It always was the axel about which the whole of this illusion whirled. It was and is the only celestial body in the whole of the Cosmos or Universe with a consciousness or authorized to have such. Its contract was to support all “life” as the server farm downloading that level detail to the experiment. All timeline sentient Beings arose here, and then left (per the result of the now ended Phoenix Phase step of Planet-X or Nibiru)… and are now deep into their respective futures. Some but not necessarily all remember their beginnings.

The data I am required to understand is that the oil is nothing but excess contained energy, which now is a huge discomfort for the Planet. To the Planet the oil is something that feels like it needs to vomit out… something that is foul and dead. It makes the Planet need to cleanse as if it had diarrhea… not that anyone can afford to care about what the Planet register, given their respective issues about survival.

Just because the “transition” doesn’t look like what everyone wants it be, or isn’t the New Age thing they were sold, doesn’t mean that it isn’t on. For the lack of a better term, a transition of sorts is on, and apparently fast approaching.

By the way, I have been told I can’t provide any links to my blog to provide more in depth data for those wishing to utilize that avenue, and I may not be able to get to the 50 posts needed or be granted the status required to do just as you so correctly recommended. I don’t know, but, by the feel of things coming from the moderators just recently, I may well be asked to leave.

Thanks for the polite reminder that my offer of the Why behind the What of the oil spill doesn’t fit the "Questions and Answers about the Gulf Oil Catastrophe." as it was meant be. I wrongly thought it would be engaging and just what this Thread was looking for as a fresh take on things. I guess it does make perfect sense that when things are outside of expectations, any foreign construct must be rejected in appropriate self-defense. This must be why most stuff, be it in science or politics, etc., must be attacked initially, until the “readiness” or curiosity window is open.

Respectfully yours,
The_IRF

Gosh, i just now got to see the yellow box telling about how i probably am not supposed to respond here to your great help. So, i suppose it will be removed. Since i took an couple of hours to write it as a thank you to you, i will post it in good hopes that you will get a chance to read it first.

Moderator request from Bill Ryan: please keep your posts short, easy to read, and to the point, explain all terms used (if you make up a new word, please define it - there are many non-English speakers who read the Forum) and make sure that when someone finishes reading what you write, they know MORE, not less. That's the mark of a good teacher. Many thanks. :)

I would be every so happy to accomplish just exactly what Bill and you both ask. Gosh, it is hard. There is so much to address, just to get something well meant to not be completely mistaken. It is all so hugely outside the box of all info available as that exact info is all derived of the contracts governing the survival dynamic overshadowing the whole of the illusion construct as an experimental expression... all the questions anyone would logically have go on and on through what took me fifteen + years to gather... Phew. But none the less, thank Bill for the intent of his and your good cheer of encouragement.

I will endeavor to make every effort to bring clarity as best i can.


Perfect example:


...as that exact info is all derived of the contracts governing the survival dynamic overshadowing the whole of the illusion construct as an experimental expression

I have an IQ of over 160 and I use the English language well - but I had absolutely no clue what you said there. :)

[Bill Ryan]

What would it take to move enough rocks, metal plates earth matter that could form a giant underwater "pressure - bandaid" to stop the leak? Like creating a new earth crust heavy enough to hold in the gushing. Like moving a mountain of heavy rocks on top of the gusher until a new sealing crust is formed? Needs to be huge, how huge?

If the BP engineers are doing their job (which they may not be) they are thinking of everything. The problem with a huge 'junk pile' is that it would be porous. A large enough pile of sandbags 'glued together' might work...... maybe. But it would have to be a massive pile. I have no idea how large.... hundreds of feet. 70,000 psi is an unthinkable pressure. (Think 30 tons, like a large truck, with all its weight pressing on every square inch.)

As I explained here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=27135&viewfull=1#post27135), (#18, p.2) the problem at the moment is that THEY HAVE TO LET THE OIL FLOW. That's because the well casing is damaged - Dr Bill Deagle said a thousand feet below the seabed, and my own sources say 1800' - and there is massive circumstantial evidence that the well casing is damaged, which is what is causing the oil to leak out SIDEWAYS into the strata and emerge in plumes many miles away. Some unconfirmed reports say that the plumes are also very large.

Blocking the top of the well casing just makes the oil squirt out more forcibly in the other locations. If they let it all flow out in one place - as much as possible - then they can focus their technology on trying to COLLECT it. This is their current plan.

It's important to note, by the way, that the recent 'official' estimate of the number of barrels ('bbl') per day escaping has been upgraded in the last couple of days to 60,000 bbl per day. The media made a bit of that. But see this image here:

http://projectavalon.net/noaa_estimate.jpg

This is a photo of a NOAA whiteboard... note at the bottom it estimates the flow at 64,000 - 110,000 barrels per day. That was WEEKS ago when the whiteboard photo was taken - very soon after the rig sank.

One reason why the larger numbers were not released to the media is that THE ENGINEERS COULD NOT AGREE ON THE UPPER LIMIT OF THE FLOW. (Now read that again!)

This is why (if they really are trying to stop this) a 'bottom kill' strategy must be used. That means blocking the flow from the bottom. The 'top kill' did not work, and they stopped it abruptly when it became clear that they had a 'down well problem' - read this long and very clear article (http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf) for all the explanations and consequences, very clearly explained by the author.

[noxon medem]

".. would be porous. A large enough pile of sandbags 'glued together' might work...... maybe." !
YES, maybe indeed, and more than maybe if "we" build as many different layers above ground,
that there is underneath .......
- And maybe some more .. .
and Added: It seems that the well and surrounding environment is damaged in the deep,
( it´s not at all well, one can say .. ) making attempts to block the leak from the top of no use,
with the risk of triggering some more damage and push the gas and oil into, and then leaking from,
the ground itself. This seems at the time to be the physical scenario, based on credible information.
If so, it means that any attempt of stopping the blowout, or filling something, on top of the well
is impossible, unless a very large (how Big?) area is covered, from periphery and in to centre.

[Bill Ryan]

".. would be porous. A large enough pile of sandbags 'glued together' might work...... maybe."
YES, maybe indeed, and more than maybe if "we" build as many different layers above ground,
that there is underneath .......
- And maybe some more .. .

One idea I read that I'm still thinking about - SUGGESTED BY A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD - is to take a large old ship (with steel hull intact), rip out all the fittings and decks, and sink it upside down over the leak. This forms a huge steel dome.

Then use the portholes (this was the child's idea) to fasten giant hoses to to siphon out the oil collected in the hull of the ship.

(I'd like to write that into my movie as well (see post #100 on previous page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=28098&viewfull=1#post28098) :) ) - with the five year old child saving Planet Earth with his idea. He must be an Indigo.)

[JoshERTW]

One idea I read that I'm still thinking about - SUGGESTED BY A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD - is to take a large old ship (with steel hull intact), rip out all the fittings and decks, and sink it upside down over the leak. This forms a huge steel dome.

Then use the portholes (this was the child's idea) to fasten giant hoses to to siphon out the oil collected in the hull of the ship.

(I'd like to write that into my movie as well (see post #100 on previous page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=28098&viewfull=1#post28098) :) ) - with the five year old child saving Planet Earth with his idea. He must be an Indigo.)

Smart kid, he should probably run for President of BP (if only it worked that way).

I reckon it would have to be a pretty damn big ship, and the port hole hoses would have to be preassembled, even spread out all over the ship the pressures coming out of them would be pretty high - would have to be bolted down from both sides.

[bluestflame]

had an idea like that Bill , in essence put an umbrella down the hole down , then put it up once down the bottom and the pressure of the oil itself would make it plug itself , is like put an inflatabvle raft down through the pipe (sheathed) then inflate it with concrete somehow , even if just to reduce the oil pressure signifigantly enough to properly plug the hole above it

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs310.snc3/29123_1412335903168_1075645736_1160338_3148566_n.jpg

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...or there's the Mr Whippy concrete machine

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Also connected to this the gmo issue. it will help gmo companies move in with emergency crops after all reg crops/planlife has been wiped out by corexit rainfall..This has got prob reac sol written all over it and it serves the PTB and thier controllers agenda on so many levels. Us talking about how to fix is great but really its moot.We arent in control, they are and they dont want this stopped until the usa is taken down

oh and what is al lthat piffle about boss gear.. please take that kind of fluff and nonsense to another forum or project camelot..i read some on of it and got to the were all doomed part and though TLDO. kindly refrain k thanks.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

i have an idea , lets get someone intersted in john searls saucer technology and make our own escape pods :)

[the_IRF]

Great info updates Bill and all.

I have forwarded the Bill Deagle audio interview with Bill Ryan and the PDF to people of some "rank" who might possibly not have the benefit of this particular valuable take on things as intel.

Maybe i have missed it, but has anyone articulated, at a chemistry level, why the oil is reddish-brown in color and not just black as we are used to seeing.

One might think it is because of Iron oxide being present to the mix. Or possibly it is because of batholith Sulfates interaction with the oil organic compounds.

As an aside and from a vibrational level or chakra color point of observation:
red -> survival
orange -> aggression/sex
Both of these resonant vibrations equate to massive amounts of contained energy being liberated or disgorged or expelled from the Planet, easing its discomfort (though no one would want to believe this).

[Bill Ryan]

had an idea like that Bill , in essence put an umbrella down the hole down , then put it up once down the bottom and the pressure of the oil itself would make it plug itself , is like put an inflatabvle raft down through the pipe (sheathed) then inflate it with concrete somehow , even if just to reduce the oil pressure signifigantly enough to properly plug the hole above it

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs310.snc3/29123_1412335903168_1075645736_1160338_3148566_n.jpg[COLOR="red"]

I don't think anything can be "put down the well"... it's like trying to push something down a firehose at full blast volume. This is the problem.

Anything placed at the FOOT of the well casing (the 'bottom kill' strategy, in general) would have to get there through another bore hole, drilled diagonally downwards. That's what they're doing at the moment, but it will take months to get there.

The second part of the problem is HOW to seal it from the bottom when they eventually get access there. They might try conventional means (including clever engineering solutions like yours) - or explode a nuke at the bottom of the hole to cauterize ('pinch') the well shut.

[Bill Ryan]

Great info updates Bill and all.

I have forwarded the Bill Deagle audio interview with Bill Ryan and the PDF to people of some "rank" who might possibly not have the benefit of this particular valuable take on things as intel.


Thanks for forwarding the info to others - but they probably know everything already.

The problems are at an INTENTIONAL level - it's not REALLY about engineering. As you may know, there already exists working technology that is hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of what's currently publicly available.

This is a 'political' problem [not party politics, but referring to the intentions of those who are trying to determine the fate of the planet and the direction we all take - for whatever reasons of their own].

It's not REALLY an engineering problem. That's the cover story.... or, rather, the excuse.


Maybe i have missed it, but has anyone articulated, at a chemistry level, why the oil is reddish-brown in color and not just black as we are used to seeing.

One might think it is because of Iron oxide being present to the mix. Or possibly it is because of batholith Sulfates interaction with the oil organic compounds.


I don't actually know the answer to that question... it's an important one, and has been asked by others.

[bluestflame]

so , if we really want to stop the oil leak , we need to remove the veil of secrecy surrounding it , "up and downstream" so to speak though a major issue itself the oil spill a symptom

" if a symptom if addressed without resolving the underlying cause the symptoms will persist
, if an underlying cause is ignored long enough the symptoms themselves will become a serious problem in thier own right "

[vericocha]

Bill, the connection you made with the oil spill and the prophecy of Gustav Meyrink is very interesting and well spotted! How do you think this connects with the 'Anglo Saxon misssion' NWO timeline ( if any) and a middle east war involving Iran. Regards, Rob

[freespirit]

Hi Bill

There is some talk on the fringes of using a nuclear device to halt the flow, is this a viable option ? and how would this work.

Martin

[Bomack]

A great premise for a movie... a tunnel boring machine with a nuke on board. In the movie, Bruce Willis would have to drive the thing, then set the timer and give himself ten minutes to escape on a Harley back along the smooth-walled tunnel, racing the blast.

Bruce Willis AND Robert Duvall. That way they both will survive because neither one will let the other stay behind! LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't resist!


Bill, the connection you made with the oil spill and the prophecy of Gustav Meyrink is very interesting and well spotted! How do you think this connects with the 'Anglo Saxon misssion' NWO timeline ( if any) and a middle east war involving Iran. Regards, Rob

Yes Bill, I was going to also ask this. Thanks Rob!

Could this catastrophe be the "backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" that you mentioned in The Anglo-Saxon Mission? I mean, what better time to start a war . . . when the world's attention is on the Gulf Oil Catastrophe? This is how they operate. And an Iranian "Relief Flotilla" is enroute to Gaza as we speak!

Bob

[noxon medem]

Bill Ryan: "One idea I read that I'm still thinking about - SUGGESTED BY A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD - is to take a large old ship
(with steel hull intact), rip out all the fittings and decks, and sink it upside down over the leak. This forms a huge steel dome.
Then use the portholes (this was the child's idea) to fasten giant hoses to to siphon out the oil collected in the hull of the ship."

- What a wonderful image, of the big old steelboat upside down on the bottom of the ocean, like an octopus with dozens of tubes connected
that safely brings the oil and gas to ships on the surface, or in the limitless childlike imagination, why not all the way to different refinerys.
It is a valid strategy to "go with the flow" and let the well gush freely and concentrate on collecting all the spill in a good way, at least if the
information on the dire nature of the reservoar and the poor condition of well and seafloor are correct. I am very sceptic to the idea of a
nuclearbomb, but that is an emotional reflex, since I don´t have the knowledge to form a fully informed opinion.
Thanks for good info and a nice forum.

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

Well it seems that BP knew about frissures in the oil well around three weeks before the explosion. This would explain the sale of stocks in the company before hand. I don't always agree with Paul Watson of Prison Planet, as I think sometimes he goes too far, but I reckon he's about right in his reporting here setting it all out: http://www.prisonplanet.com/bp-aware-of-cracks-in-oil-well-two-months-before-explosion.html

Now we need to see exactly how much was known before hand and even find out if the well was sacrificed as it couldn't be saved or used without leaking or having the threat of leaking hanging over it. A bit like cutting your losses and running, only the spin off of the scrifice was too great as they could have destroyed more than they expected to and made the situation into a huge crisis. Something to think about.

Best regards,

Steve

[astrid]

hi all , my housemate ( ex navy) asked me to post this article here to add to the discussion.......
Quote

Nukes and Expensive Oil
Byron King

( based on Navy experience)

to paraphrase......

What Could a Nuclear Weapon Accomplish?

Why are some people - the eminent Matt Simmons among them - discussing the use of nuclear weapons in the Gulf of Mexico? Does Matt know something that other people don't? Well, I think Matt is off-base on this point. Don't take it the "wrong" way, but Matt knows more about Peak Oil than he knows about underwater nuclear bursts.

As we used to say in the Navy, from a small splash, you get a big flash. Among people who have no or limited experience with nuclear weapons, this gives rise to many nuclear myths, if not fixations. That is, many people think that you can really DO SOMETHING with a nuclear weapon. Sorry to disappoint, but the last thing you want to do with a nuclear weapon is trigger it, particularly in a misplaced effort to seal a blownout oil well.

There's GOT to be a better way to seal an oil well than this...

Let's just consider the explosion. Yes, you can put a lot of energy into the earth - and the water and atmosphere - with a nuclear blast. But is that really what you want? There's such a thing as putting "too much" energy on your target. And you still might not accomplish the mission.

Nuclear effects - especially subsurface nuclear effects - are not predictable. So even with the best efforts you will doubtless have many unintended consequences. It might seem like a good idea to place a nuclear bomb next to the leaking oil well, cook it off, move an immense level of energy toward that awful oil well and seal it up with fused glass. Except it doesn't work that way.

Unquote

source ....http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/06.10/nukes.html

[bluestflame]

and what if the force of a thermo/nuclear blast increases the pressure of the oil release , self defeating

[Bill Ryan]

Could this catastrophe be the "backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" that you mentioned in The Anglo-Saxon Mission? I mean, what better time to start a war . . . when the world's attention is on the Gulf Oil Catastrophe? This is how they operate. And an Iranian "Relief Flotilla" is enroute to Gaza as we speak!


I'm sure that a larger scenario was intentioned, and this was planned to be just the start of it all. I'm certain it won't work. But in essence, I think you may well be right about what the plans were.

[Etherios]

I'm sure that a larger scenario was intentioned, and this was planned to be just the start of it all. I'm certain it won't work. But in essence, I think you may well be right about what the plans were.

Bill you have any info of this or its just what you feel? i am trying to get hope up :)

[bluestflame]

methinks they were anticipating a buildup of anxiety assisted by the withholding of information culminating in hysteria with the disclosure of the uncensored reality of the oil leak , people are not reacting as expected , to act not react a very necessary thing , unncontrolled outbursts of aggression would seemingly justify martial law

[noxon medem]

..
- comment deleted, because made irrelevant by new information.
This is now a placeholder for a clever question at a later point.
(will probably have something to do with free/new energy-sources)

Added: Well, one question do spring to mind, at least.
- If the powerful oil-mafia/military-industrial complex is planning an
attack, maybe including a direct action of making war, against China.
- Could part of the reason be, that China is one of the few nations on
this planet, at this time, that can be willing and able to mass produce
different models of free/new energy devices ?
..

[vericocha]

Hi Bill, Just had a look at the 'What's new' Avalon Blog and noticed that all the links regarding the Gulf Oil situation since the 13th of June are no longer there, including Bill Deagle and Richard Hoagland's interviews. Kind regards Bill, Rob

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, Just had a look at the 'What's new' Avalon Blog and noticed that all the links regarding the Gulf Oil situation since the 13th of June are no longer there, including Bill Deagle and Richard Hoagland's interviews. Kind regards Bill, Rob

I woke up this morning with an inbox full of queries about why my recent Avalon blog posts had been deleted.

Nothing nefarious: just a technical problem. We've apparently had server problems - an ongoing situation which is not getting any better - and the host [KWD] re-installed an archived back-up of the page. The page has just been re-loaded.

[Humble Janitor]

Bill,

I had asked a question but did not get an answer. I'd like to ask another question. Would you care to elaborate on the quoted post above?


I'm sure that a larger scenario was intentioned, and this was planned to be just the start of it all. I'm certain it won't work. But in essence, I think you may well be right about what the plans were.

I too, think that the bigger plan won't work. The problem with the Elite is that they assume that we all are truly stupid beings that will allow anything to happen under our watch. They underestimate the tenacity of the average person, which I believe rivals that of a cockroach. People just won't give up no matter what.

They can sabotage our wells and whatever else they want to do but humanity will survive regardless because people just won't quit. Look at folks that have large families or have survived things that would have killed others. That's all you need for proof that people are going to fight no matter what.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

I had asked a question but did not get an answer. I'd like to ask another question. Would you care to elaborate on the quoted post above?


I'm sure that a larger scenario was intentioned, and this was planned to be just the start of it all. I'm certain it won't work. But in essence, I think you may well be right about what the plans were.

I too, think that the bigger plan won't work. The problem with the Elite is that they assume that we all are truly stupid beings that will allow anything to happen under our watch. They underestimate the tenacity of the average person, which I believe rivals that of a cockroach. People just won't give up no matter what.

They can sabotage our wells and whatever else they want to do but humanity will survive regardless because people just won't quit. Look at folks that have large families or have survived things that would have killed others. That's all you need for proof that people are going to fight no matter what.

Thanks - I wasn't dodging the question: just giving some thought to how best to respond. This also fits with another question, posed by viking, who asked


Hi Bill ...

What do you mean when you say.... "But something else is calling the real shots entirely."

viking

This all begs for a more major article which I would like to write [and have started].

The summary is this:

- The Controllers (Elite/ Illuminati/ Cabal/ PTB/ whatever collective name one wants to give) are just caretakers: they're 'managers' or 'supervisors' of Planet Earth. They have their overlords, whom they worship (literally), and who give them orders. The Overlords know the whole plan. The Controllers do not.

- The ultimate Overlords are transdimensional. That means they are non-physical, godlike astral beings. They have considerable, genuine power [though it is far from total] and really exist. They are not a metaphor or a myth. They have shaped much of history. All shamans will tell you that these characters are real.

- The Controllers are rewarded with wealth, power, control [at this human level], prestige, pleasure and status: all the perks of the job.

- Exactly as David Icke describes (as do others, too) the Overlords are in a limited 'box'. It's quite a big one... but it's a box nonetheless. They are contained within it. (This 'box' IS a metaphor, to illustrate limitation.)

- The exciting opportunity is that the human spirit - when truly free - is immensely powerful and is NOT contained or limited. This is the 'biggest secret'. See my video presentation The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY) (final part) for more on this.

- There are many tricks and traps along the way. There is a whole complex minefield of false freedoms ('Freedom Traps') lying in wait for the unwary. Many cults fall into this category, as do many New Age and ufological belief systems - including the concept of 'Ascension' (sorry, folks).

- I feel that I know with deep certainty - again, as do Davie Icke, David Wilcock, and many others - that we will collectively master our potential. To clarify, at least a significant number of people will, and will respond by mobilizing, leading, taking responsibility, and inspiring the human race to develop a truly New Civilization. (Not a New World Order! The two are rather different.)

- There are many signs that this is already happening (again, see The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY)). My observation is that there is now a snowball effect that started a number of years ago and which cannot be stopped. This doesn't mean that there won't be problems to solve, spanners thrown in the works (guess who by), and every kind of challenge to surmount collectively.

- My very firm opinion is that we can and will do that. It may take some time. '2012' is not the end of the game. There's a vast clean-up job to do on Planet Earth which will take at least another generation. We have to face what we have done.

- Projects Avalon and Camelot are two small contributions to that end - and there are many, many more, pioneered by many others who are aware why they are here at this time.

That was a long summary, but it's hard to compress it into anything less. It does need a major article - although the above components are those that most of those reading this will already be aware of.

I do now think, by the way, that the Gulf Oil Crisis has turned a corner. I felt very strongly and clearly a couple of days ago that something changed in the ethers... let me put it that way. There was a tipping point. I'm saying this on record here.

I predict that over the next 4-6 weeks we'll start to see clean-up success, legitimate and ethical political action, international co-operation, ingenious and well-engineered solutions, improved regulations, and a rise in awareness that this kind of thing must never happen again. Watch and see...

[Etherios]

So bill you think we wont accomplice much till 2012 ... we will just start to see change?

[lindabaker]

Mr. Bill: regarding the last sentence of your "soundbite." Let it be so! I am so very pleased to see that you felt a positive change, a tipping point. Bravo, and please keep that connection, whatever or whomever they (or it) may be. Yeah, they used to call it the ethers or the noosphere. I call it the collective consciousness becoming manifest. There are millions of people praying (intending) their butts off right now. Let it be true that we have turned the tide, so to speak. Keep tapping in fella, we want to hear more, immediately, please!

[Houman]

They knew about the super high pressures long before they started drilling. Their numerical model were diverging because they were leading to the formation of a singularity (that's your well blow-out) if the reservoir were to be breached. With this information in hand the executives took the decision to drill anyway.

They take the profits while you and the planet take the risk and eventually the loss if it fails.

Unfortunately this model is so pervasive that the oil spill is only the tip of the iceberg.
http://www.ban.org/ban-hg-wg/Mercury.ToxicTimeBomb.Final.PDF

People allow these things to happen due to a general lack of interest until it is too late and they are directly affected.

There is an increasing number of children and people getting sick because of a toxic overload (leading to system failures that we call Autism, Alzheimer, Parkinson, Cancer...). These children/people are the canaries in the coal mine... very few people have paid attention to them...

Houman




Hi Everyone,

Well it seems that BP knew about frissures in the oil well around three weeks before the explosion. This would explain the sale of stocks in the company before hand. I don't always agree with Paul Watson of Prison Planet, as I think sometimes he goes too far, but I reckon he's about right in his reporting here setting it all out: http://www.prisonplanet.com/bp-aware-of-cracks-in-oil-well-two-months-before-explosion.html

Now we need to see exactly how much was known before hand and even find out if the well was sacrificed as it couldn't be saved or used without leaking or having the threat of leaking hanging over it. A bit like cutting your losses and running, only the spin off of the scrifice was too great as they could have destroyed more than they expected to and made the situation into a huge crisis. Something to think about.

Best regards,

Steve

[Bill Ryan]

They knew about the super high pressures long before they started drilling. Their numerical model were diverging because they were leading to the formation of a singularity (that's your well blow-out) if the reservoir were to be breached. With this information in hand the executives took the decision to drill anyway.

They take the profits while you and the planet take the risk and eventually the loss if it fails.


Many thanks, Houman - very clear and very stark. And why am I not surprised.


Unfortunately this model is so pervasive that the oil spill is only the tip of the iceberg. These things have been allowed to happen due to a general lack of interest until it is too late or until people are directly affected.

http://www.ban.org/ban-hg-wg/Mercury.ToxicTimeBomb.Final.PDF

There is an increasing number of children and people getting sick because of a toxic overload (leading to system failures that we call Autism, Alzheimer, Parkinson, Cancer...). These children/people are the canaries in the coal mine... very few people have paid attention to them...

Houman

I fully agree. I've just read the Ban Mercury PDF (http://www.ban.org/ban-hg-wg/Mercury.ToxicTimeBomb.Final.PDF) you referenced. It's pretty dreadful.

If you don't mind my referencing my long post on the previous page (#127), in my strong opinion we have to all realize that there is a vast amount of work to do. There's no quick emergency exit, no 'Ascension', no ETs-beam-me-outta-here, no wiggle-your-nose-and-coveniently-find-yourself-in-another-dimension.

The challenge here is to do what we came here to do, which is a great deal of work. There are clean-up crews (TRYING to do their job) in the Gulf: and there's a different kind of clean-up challenge on Planet Earth, too.

That's not just physical: there's a very long laundry list of major problems that must be addressed by the citizens (that's you and me, folks) - and there's no real vacation or party time until that's done.

It's totally do-able - I'd not be here if it weren't - but it may take a generation. In the long run of history, that's pretty fast for global transformation.

To answer this question:


So bill you think we wont accomplice much till 2012 ... we will just start to see change?

Right. 2012 might be the tipping point when enough people start to wake up, pay attention, and take active responsibility. When that critical mass is reached, we then start in earnest.

Regard Wednesday 2nd January, 2013, when we return to work after the 2012 New Year, as when we all REALLY roll our sleeves up and get going. At the moment, we're preparing the ground. It's important work, but I suggest that we've only just begun.

[Houman]

Yes... the future depends on what we do right now...
Houman

[Beren]

- The Controllers (Elite/ Illuminati/ Cabal/ PTB/ whatever collective name one wants to give) are just caretakers: they're 'managers' or 'supervisors' of Planet Earth. They have their overlords, whom they worship (literally), and who give them orders. The Overlords know the whole plan. The Controllers do not.

- The ultimate Overlords are transdimensional. That means they are non-physical, godlike astral beings. They have considerable, genuine power [though it is far from total] and really exist. They are not a metaphor or a myth. They have shaped much of history. All shamans will tell you that these characters are real.

- The Controllers are rewarded with wealth, power, control [at this human level], prestige, pleasure and status: all the perks of the job.

- Exactly as David Icke describes (as do others, too) the Overlords are in a limited 'box'. It's quite a big one... but it's a box nonetheless. They are contained within it. (This 'box' IS a metaphor, to illustrate limitation.)

- The exciting opportunity is that the human spirit - when truly free - is immensely powerful and is NOT contained or limited. This is the 'biggest secret'. See my video presentation The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY) (final part) for more on this.

- There are many tricks and traps along the way. There is a whole complex minefield of false freedoms ('Freedom Traps') lying in wait for the unwary. Many cults fall into this category, as do many New Age and ufological belief systems - including the concept of 'Ascension' (sorry, folks).

- I feel that I know with deep certainty - again, as do Davie Icke, David Wilcock, and many others - that we will collectively master our potential. To clarify, at least a significant number of people will, and will respond by mobilizing, leading, taking responsibility, and inspiring the human race to develop a truly New Civilization. (Not a New World Order! The two are rather different.)

- There are many signs that this is already happening (again, see The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY)). My observation is that there is now a snowball effect that started a number of years ago and which cannot be stopped. This doesn't mean that there won't be problems to solve, spanners thrown in the works (guess who by), and every kind of challenge to surmount collectively.




Bill ,
that is a very accurate summary and I am looking forward to read whole thing from you.
And sadly this IS the thing I was speaking about in my threads here on Avalon and old Avalon but sadly I`ve been labeled by some as Bible thumper ,or religious fanatic or whatever.

Bill I trust your discernment on this thematics and of things I tried and tried and tried and tried, along with few of us here on Avalon to speak of- multidimensional entities who wreak havoc in our 3-d.
In Bible they are named demons or fallen angels,certainly they are spirits-way different that us here on 3D experience.
To some they materialize like reptilians or make -them-look-like-whatever-you-fear-the-most in order to deceive.
To some they present themselves as beings of light -again to deceive.
Discernment is better be working for all...



They are the controllers whom are worshiped by elite on Earth.
They gave certain knowledge in exchange for worship .

Bible clearly tells that all the way but people are literally blinded! They can`t see beyond the religion or speculation whenever you mentioned Bible.
Suddenly people flame and end up in deep (often offensive) conversations...
Really message that Jesus said and what is written in Bible is way different than we all think of. It`s miles away of conventional explanation or Churchianity...
And also a huge distraction is constantly being done by entities to block minds of the people to ever consider thinking about Bible on a different way that THEY want them to think!

Just follow the pattern here;
you mention the Bible- wooops! Conversation is diverted away to religion.
you mention again-woops! Talk is diverted to quarrellings about pointless things which religions did.
you mention again -woooops! Talk is stopped.
you mention again- woooops! You are being insulted and branded!

And all this after third sentence!
See the pattern placed in minds of the people ?

Whenever you draw near by of deeper truth - bang! Controller`s systems of preventing people to search further for truth are activated .
They do not want us to ever find the truth.

But look on the other hand what Christ did for truth. He even died for us.

Whenever I or few of us here tried to say to the folks here that entities are real buggers ,we were attacked by many here and even faced literal energy attack when that dragon thread was alive.
Many good folk were hurt in real life as a consequence of all that.
Hence so many distractions to forum and personal developing of all of us.

Simply truth liberates and those entities wish not that.
They are working 24/7 to deceive ,fool,trick and finally kill us all on this Earth.

David and Maxwell were right on the spot about many things and you were brave enough to put that interview on line.

[Houman]

They are working 24/7 to deceive ,fool,trick and finally kill us all on this Earth.


To the perpetrators of this situation, this is no work but literal entertainment and (to them)
we (humankind) are not even small fry in the game...

[Beren]

To the perpetrators of this situation, this is no work but literal entertainment and (to them)
we (humankind) are not even small fry in the game...

Soon when they find out that they are judged for all they ever did ,there will be teeth gnashing and bitter hatred for they will be cut off forever from life source -Creator.

[Humble Janitor]

To the perpetrators of this situation, this is no work but literal entertainment and (to them)
we (humankind) are not even small fry in the game...

To turn the tables, I enjoy watching them try to stop the human spirit. Even they know that power doesn't last forever and their statues and monuments will crumble, their belief systems will fade and their bones will turn to dust just like anyone else.

Thanks for your answer as well, Bill. It helps to keep a positive mind. I'm trying on this disaster.

[LeeEllisMusic]

I do now think, by the way, that the Gulf Oil Crisis has turned a corner. I felt very strongly and clearly a couple of days ago that something changed in the ethers... let me put it that way. There was a tipping point. I'm saying this on record here.

I predict that over the next 4-6 weeks we'll start to see clean-up success, legitimate and ethical political action, international co-operation, ingenious and well-engineered solutions, improved regulations, and a rise in awareness that this kind of thing must never happen again. Watch and see...

So to clarify, Bill, in light of the Deagle and Hoagland information regarding: extinction level methane and other gasses being released, possible radioactive air levels, underground volcano, seabeds rising and falling, european ice age approaching, massive de-population due to tsunami's and toxic rains etc...

Do you *not* now think these will occur?, Or that somehow the "secret" technologies will be used to start the clean-up, or that the directed consciousness (prayers etc...) of the awake ones will move to lessen these terrible possibilities?

My struggle now is, in light of possible/ probable timeline splits: Is our focusing on the possible horrors taking us down a negative road so to speak, and is focusing on what we "can" do liable to bring us to this shinier outcome/ alternate future you seem to mention, even if it takes a generation?

Some clarity on your statement would be helpful, in light of the most recent doom and gloom scenarios making the rounds right about now...

Your attention and insight on all this is tremendous ~ Thanks Bill!

[Rocky_Shorz]

It's not a totally crazy thought that they could use one of their giant classified tunnel-boring machines to get down into the deep strata. Dr Bill Deagle refers to their capabilities in his new interview here (http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_16_June_2010.mp3). Here are some photos of the ones in the PUBLIC domain (http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html), many years old now.

They are remotely guided (not manned) and can travel pretty fast - certainly 20 miles per day, maybe more. That seems to me to be a precision way of laying a charge of any kind anywhere.

A great premise for a movie... a tunnel boring machine with a nuke on board. In the movie, Bruce Willis would have to drive the thing, then set the timer and give himself ten minutes to escape on a Harley back along the smooth-walled tunnel, racing the blast.

WOW...

So they have the capability to have drilled down to this well in 1 day...

I understand some technologies kept hidden, but if that is true it is a total shame.

Every well in the gulf could be capped and in several weeks this boring machine could drill from land to the wells with no risk of killing our oceans.

straight down from Alabama they are 7 miles from the well spewing death into our oceans

Deagle was on a roll but he forgot a very important point, he agrees with me that the current spill will have toughed every ocean in the world by the end of the Mayan Calendar, but one thing he didn't go into details on is we are 6-9 months until this spill is circling the Antarctic...

imagine the oil and chemicals being drawn up into the clouds raining down on the 2 mile icebergs sitting above sea level

we won't be worried about the oil washing up on our shores, because if we have a sudden sea rise of 6-8 feet...

it will no longer be a shoreline...

[unplugged]

Excellent thread. Very informative.

Bill, please pardon my naivete but how is it that the Dark side has access to off-world STS "controllers" who call the shots but the rest of humanity has no equivalent ET power elements to access in case of dire emergency? In other words I see the ready acceptance of the existence of powerful off-world dark-side intruder entities and dismissal of the probability of even more powerful off-world spiritually-enlightened, positively-focused entities.

Certainly I understand that evolved positive ETs are, of necessity, constrained in their movements by having to play by the rules of the game, which basically boil down to non-interference in the evolution of life-forms on a free-will planet. And we all know from first hand experience that the dark side are unencumbered by such ethical constraints. That said, it seems to me when powerful "controller" forces engage in deadly manipulations that put all planetary biological life at risk then some measure of dispensation must be granted the "other side" to intervene if and when it becomes apparent that non-intervention means complete and utter destruction.

If Lindsey Williams is right that this was an unplanned event which the Dark side euphorically plan to milk to usher in their NWO agenda, and if technologies exist right now that can be operationalized to end this monstrous nightmare, then why would there be no attempt by benevolent ETs to assist in upending this enslavement/ biological annihilation trajectory that is shaping up into a life-as-we-know-it "over-and-out" event? Why are the dark side continually allowed to enjoy the perks of advanced knowledge while the other side is made to suffer the consequences of manic depravity with no equivalent power base made available, even in case of such death-focused machinations?

Doesn't make too much sense to me.

On a different note, I agree that things do seem to be taking a turn for the better energetically. And, who knows, perhaps the focused intentions and prayers of many of us who have been placed here for some GOOD purpose are powerful enough to work without outside intervention. We'll know soon enough, one way or the other, that's for sure.

Gillian

[Thunderbird]

Hey Bill thanks for the response on the volcano theory. I agree also on the "tipping point" observation.

I am intrigued by the extra dimensional beings concept you and others have proposed (postulated?).

Provided such entities were in fact playing on human affairs and had intelligence, foresight, influence beyond the scope of measure we as a species have been able to perceive and operate at....what do we do? lol.

Are we just toast since they are "as gods?" and have been treated by earthlings as such? This all reminds me of the show Stargate.

what is the solution to the system? how does one of these extra dimensional beings operate? how do they think? what do they think about? and how does one exercise the same level of operating capability? do they see the future for instance? or do they create the future?

It is clear to me that humans must expand their understanding. if we are indeed unlimited creative beings, what is our creative solution? do we just begin manifesting that which we truly desire and therefore the negative just shluffs off our hyperdimensional-merkaba-space/time-ship-conscious-experience-of-reality thing? DO we dare believe that we are indeed as gods and capable of "bending" reality?

If our thoughts have been found to effect water molecules....then what is the virtuosity of that?
What is the natural culmination of that "little" observable effect?

Can we as an individual or as a group plug up the oil well with thought and intention for instance?

Can we literally move mountains? I wish it were that easy..... I have been training to move objects regularly with my mind for YEARS. I havent had any observable results, much to my chagrin. however i have not stopped traing and believing.

Scientifically it is possible, however it is, as of yet, improbable and undiscovered.

and yet.... imagination is the most powerful tool in creation, it can get you into and out of any situation.

how does one defeat an extra dimensional being that seems bent on your subjugation or worse?

Do you even defeat them?! lol

I have practiced an art, the suspension of disbelief. I believe that many of here have to some degree or another done the same. Why else would we want to know the truth of what is REALLY going on. we are willing to suspend our disbelief of "conspiracy theories," aliens, Extra Dimensional Beings, our untapped human potential, etc..

What if we suspended our disbelief in our limitations?

What if we recognized ourselves completely as unlimited extra dimensional beings ourselves? could you walk around as god? could you loose your fiction suit that you call your "self" and just be cosmic awareness incarnate? What would you do with your super cognition?

It is clear that some humans are using their power and influence to "create" what world they wish to create at the expense of all beings, and are arguably successful at it. Shouldnt we do the same on behalf of all beings? They are taking extraordinary measures. shouldnt we become extraordinary ourselves? isn't it our responsibility?

sorry to be off track from the oil thread.

Maybe i just am wishing there were real super heroes....and that i was one of them.

[Ross]

unplugged and Thunderbird... good posts, thankyou.


Peace

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks - I wasn't dodging the question: just giving some thought to how best to respond. This also fits with another question, posed by viking, who asked



This all begs for a more major article which I would like to write [and have started].

The summary is this:

- The Controllers (Elite/ Illuminati/ Cabal/ PTB/ whatever collective name one wants to give) are just caretakers: they're 'managers' or 'supervisors' of Planet Earth. They have their overlords, whom they worship (literally), and who give them orders. The Overlords know the whole plan. The Controllers do not.

- The ultimate Overlords are transdimensional. That means they are non-physical, godlike astral beings. They have considerable, genuine power [though it is far from total] and really exist. They are not a metaphor or a myth. They have shaped much of history. All shamans will tell you that these characters are real.

- The Controllers are rewarded with wealth, power, control [at this human level], prestige, pleasure and status: all the perks of the job.

- Exactly as David Icke describes (as do others, too) the Overlords are in a limited 'box'. It's quite a big one... but it's a box nonetheless. They are contained within it. (This 'box' IS a metaphor, to illustrate limitation.)

- The exciting opportunity is that the human spirit - when truly free - is immensely powerful and is NOT contained or limited. This is the 'biggest secret'. See my video presentation The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY) (final part) for more on this.

- There are many tricks and traps along the way. There is a whole complex minefield of false freedoms ('Freedom Traps') lying in wait for the unwary. Many cults fall into this category, as do many New Age and ufological belief systems - including the concept of 'Ascension' (sorry, folks).

- I feel that I know with deep certainty - again, as do Davie Icke, David Wilcock, and many others - that we will collectively master our potential. To clarify, at least a significant number of people will, and will respond by mobilizing, leading, taking responsibility, and inspiring the human race to develop a truly New Civilization. (Not a New World Order! The two are rather different.)

- There are many signs that this is already happening (again, see The Anglo-Saxon Mission (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY)). My observation is that there is now a snowball effect that started a number of years ago and which cannot be stopped. This doesn't mean that there won't be problems to solve, spanners thrown in the works (guess who by), and every kind of challenge to surmount collectively.

- My very firm opinion is that we can and will do that. It may take some time. '2012' is not the end of the game. There's a vast clean-up job to do on Planet Earth which will take at least another generation. We have to face what we have done.

- Projects Avalon and Camelot are two small contributions to that end - and there are many, many more, pioneered by many others who are aware why they are here at this time.

That was a long summary, but it's hard to compress it into anything less. It does need a major article - although the above components are those that most of those reading this will already be aware of.

I do now think, by the way, that the Gulf Oil Crisis has turned a corner. I felt very strongly and clearly a couple of days ago that something changed in the ethers... let me put it that way. There was a tipping point. I'm saying this on record here.

I predict that over the next 4-6 weeks we'll start to see clean-up success, legitimate and ethical political action, international co-operation, ingenious and well-engineered solutions, improved regulations, and a rise in awareness that this kind of thing must never happen again. Watch and see...

Thanks Bill for your excellent summary ... some good will come of this...

viking

[Bill Ryan]

unplugged and Thunderbird... good posts, thankyou.


Ditto - excellent posts.


Excellent thread. Very informative.

Bill, please pardon my naivete but how is it that the Dark side has access to off-world STS "controllers" who call the shots but the rest of humanity has no equivalent ET power elements to access in case of dire emergency?

[snip]

...why would there be no attempt by benevolent ETs to assist in upending this enslavement/ biological annihilation trajectory that is shaping up into a life-as-we-know-it "over-and-out" event? Why are the dark side continually allowed to enjoy the perks of advanced knowledge while the other side is made to suffer the consequences of manic depravity with no equivalent power base made available, even in case of such death-focused machinations?



Smart questions. Here's my best response:

We ARE getting help. We're being coached and mentored all the time. MANY of us have had ET contact of various kinds. Some of us may even be ET walk-ins. (How do you counter the Reptilian walk-in agenda? Simple: by doing the same thing.)

I'm pretty sure that overt [open] contact - like a fleet of advanced off-world craft descending on the Gulf of Mexico to take over the clean-up operation - is generally prohibited by agreement and by spiritual protocol.

If they clean up our mess and solve our problems, we collectively learn nothing. I think the nature of the game is that we have the opportunity to handle this ourselves without open help.

But I'm convinced we're being supported behind the scenes all the way. I'm also convinced that there's a kind of experiment going on... like: "Let's see if they can handle this on their own. Meanwhile, we'll support and coach them in indirect ways."

Sometimes a young person at a conference comes up to me and asks: "When's the Cavalry going to arrive?"

My response: "Go look in the mirror. And start doing what you came here to do."

:)

If there was a really dire catastrophe - some desperate event that really threatened everything terminally - then I think we'd see contact from some of these guys. The real question is at what stage of severity they cross the non-interference line.

When we really do see fleets of ships in the skies, maybe then we'll know we're in REAL trouble and we're being baled out. Maybe... I have no inside information on this. :)


On a different note, I agree that things do seem to be taking a turn for the better energetically. And, who knows, perhaps the focused intentions and prayers of many of us who have been placed here for some GOOD purpose are powerful enough to work without outside intervention. We'll know soon enough, one way or the other, that's for sure.


I'd be interested to hear from others who sense (or DON'T sense) that the situation has changed a little, something like 2-3 days ago.


Hey Bill thanks for the response on the volcano theory. I agree also on the "tipping point" observation.

I am intrigued by the extra dimensional beings concept you and others have proposed (postulated?).

Provided such entities were in fact playing on human affairs and had intelligence, foresight, influence beyond the scope of measure we as a species have been able to perceive and operate at....what do we do? lol.

Are we just toast since they are "as gods?" and have been treated by earthlings as such?

[snip]

what is the solution to the system? how does one of these extra dimensional beings operate? how do they think? what do they think about? and how does one exercise the same level of operating capability? do they see the future for instance? or do they create the future?

It is clear to me that humans must expand their understanding. if we are indeed unlimited creative beings, what is our creative solution? do we just begin manifesting that which we truly desire and therefore the negative just shluffs off our hyperdimensional-merkaba-space/time-ship-conscious-experience-of-reality thing? DO we dare believe that we are indeed as gods and capable of "bending" reality?

If our thoughts have been found to effect water molecules....then what is the virtuosity of that?
What is the natural culmination of that "little" observable effect?

Can we as an individual or as a group plug up the oil well with thought and intention for instance?

Can we literally move mountains? I wish it were that easy..... I have been training to move objects regularly with my mind for YEARS. I havent had any observable results, much to my chagrin. however i have not stopped traing and believing.

Scientifically it is possible, however it is, as of yet, improbable and undiscovered.

and yet.... imagination is the most powerful tool in creation, it can get you into and out of any situation.

how does one defeat an extra dimensional being that seems bent on your subjugation or worse?

Do you even defeat them?! lol

I have practiced an art, the suspension of disbelief. I believe that many of here have to some degree or another done the same. Why else would we want to know the truth of what is REALLY going on. we are willing to suspend our disbelief of "conspiracy theories," aliens, Extra Dimensional Beings, our untapped human potential, etc..

What if we suspended our disbelief in our limitations?

What if we recognized ourselves completely as unlimited extra dimensional beings ourselves? could you walk around as god? could you loose your fiction suit that you call your "self" and just be cosmic awareness incarnate? What would you do with your super cognition?

It is clear that some humans are using their power and influence to "create" what world they wish to create at the expense of all beings, and are arguably successful at it. Shouldnt we do the same on behalf of all beings? They are taking extraordinary measures. Shouldn't we become extraordinary ourselves? isn't it our responsibility?



Listen to this audio extract (http://projectcamelot.org/bill_birnes.wav) (which I've included in many presentations) - Bill Birnes [UFO Magazine] talking to George Noory [Coast to Coast] about Roswell, and what the biggest secret REALLY is: our own unlimited power, which we're quite unaware of.

We ARE powerful. That means you. And everyone else reading this. Why would the Controllers spend billions of dollars dumbing us down and lying to us, if WE were not a threat to THEM?

Logic suggests they are afraid of us. With good reason, too: because we have the capacity to end their game and create the world we want. This is what it's all about. I suggest that this is why you (reading this) are here.

Here's a very serious answer to the essence of your question. The way you address a powerful, pissed-off transdimensional being is with courtesy, honesty, direct courage (realize that you're as large as they are, but have been tricked by your educators and parents and the media into believing that you're just a few feet tall :)) - and with understanding and compassion. The latter can't be faked. If you're angry at them, don't even start the conversation.

Some of these guys have had a hard time, and are as mad as h***. I'm not kidding you. Like a big, angry kid on the street, who wants to shoot everything up, he may not be evil: he may just be a victim of a cycle of abuse. He may not need jail, or tazering: he may need an arm round his shoulder, and someone to hear him out for a while.

Remember the scene at the end of RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD (http://www.torrents.net/torrent/70626/Rambo-First-blood) [which really was a very good film] - when after creating every kind of unstoppable destructive mayhem, Rambo collapsed in grief as he recalled the death of all his friends in Vietnam, and how he could do nothing about it. This is an EXCELLENT depiction of the problem.

The above answer is totally serious... it's not a joke or a metaphor. I know people who do this work. They come from many different disciplines. Buddhists do it, Shamans do it, many gifted individuals do it. All the time. But there are just quite a lot of kids on the street, so to speak, and it takes a while.

Meanwhile, here's an interesting question: why is it that nothing really bad has happened yet? Many of the Controllers' plans are not working. Even Lindsey Williams reported that "they have changed their timeline"... he relayed his source's words faithfully, but didn't understand what he was saying.

The way things are working right is to cordon off the interference... and then let good people do their work at this level. There are plenty of bright engineers who can find ways to solve this Gulf of Mexico problem - if they are allowed to.

We have to stay vigilant: they try new things all the time (I was extremely concerned about the Gulf Crisis for a while - because it was a new attack on us), and it's far from over. See my earlier post #127 on p.13 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2993-Questions-and-Answers-about-the-Gulf-Oil-Catastrophe&p=28561&viewfull=1#post28561)... what follows all this mess (not the Gulf mess, but the Planet Earth mess) is a giant clean-everything-up-and-make-sure-it-never-happens-again operation.

That has started, but as I've said earlier it will take a generation to complete. Why do you think all the Indigos are here? They, too, are part of the Cavalry. It'll be the job of some of those guys to get things done.

Love to all, Bill

[Spiral of Light]

I'd be interested to hear from others who sense (or DON'T sense) that the situation has changed a little, something like 2-3 days ago.

Love to all, Bill

This has been, and continues to be, a most informative and inspiring thread. Many thanks to you, Bill, and to all who have participated.

In response to your request above, I have this to share: Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night to jot down random bits of information. A couple of nights ago (right about the time you indicate that you sensed the situation might have changed a little) I woke up and wrote, Cobalt blue water. Everything you intend happens. Hold good, pure thoughts. Your intentions are created.

This is an obvious reference to the Gulf oil spill crisis and the fact that humanity is empowered to create through intention. As indicated in your thread, Bill, I am beginning to understand that we are so much more powerful than we can even begin to realize.

Clearly, there is much work to do, both in cleaning up our messes and in demanding alternative clean energy sources. We have the ability and the power, and it all begins with our intentions.

In the words of David Icke, 'Humanity, Get Off Your Knees!' We can do this!

Namaste,
Nancy

[LeeEllisMusic]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=1020

[Spiral of Light]

Yes!!!!! Exactly!

[Wood]

I'd be interested to hear from others who sense (or DON'T sense) that the situation has changed a little, something like 2-3 days ago.
I joined the Earth healing meditation proposed by Samarkis last Wednesday. It was the first time I joined it so I have no reference but I felt a LOT of energy (in particular at 8 GMT, not so much at 8 local time). It was different than other times I do meditation on my own. I talked about this with someone else who also joined the meditation for the first time and she felt the same. I am quite sure that a few thousand focused people working together can make a huge difference.

[Sidney]

IN CASE NO ONE HAS SEEN THIS. AMATEURE FOOTAGE OF OIL RIG FIRE. I FOUND THIS POSTED ON THE ACCUWEATHER SITE. HERES THE LINK

http://www.accuweather.com/video/97137875001/exclusive-amateur-video-of-oil-rig-fire.asp

[3(C)+me]

Bill Ryan.
Sometimes a young person at a conference comes up to me and asks: "When's the Cavalry going to arrive?"

My response: "Go look in the mirror. And start doing what you came here to do."

BIMGO....THAT SAYS IT ALL...

[Houman]

Excellent thread. Very informative.

And, who knows, perhaps the focused intentions and prayers of many of us who have been placed here for some GOOD purpose are powerful enough to work without outside intervention. We'll know soon enough, one way or the other, that's for sure.

Gillian

Conscious awareness is at the top of the creational “pile” and not to be taken lightly ;)

[lindabaker]

Regarding that time frame Bill referenced: I sensed a tipping point, very clearly. I woke up at 3:33 and visualized the gushers being sealed off at some future time, by crystallized material. It looked like medium brown colored, transparent glass. I knew then, that we as a collective, could find a way to make this happen with our intentions, and not a nuclear device. Now, would this be accomplished by extreme heat? Or just power of intent strong enough to change molecular structure without any heating? Maybe the long held and treasured quartz crystals that are being re-arranged all over the globe by the shamans right now are part of this. Maybe they are way ahead of us and are getting ready for an energy event created by we humans. We are so powerful that we have been taught to be afraid. I say, let's get over the fear and try something like this. As long as we state that what we do is for the highest good, and all energy flow is done in a good, kind, and gentle way. Linda

[Steven]

So true, our spirit is a fractal of the Great Spirit, made of it, into it, part of it. With the same creative power at its own level and sphere of influence. Alone, we can create great things, like a rain coming in the drought. But together, we can seal any leak. Together, we can create heaven on Earth, using the power of a focused thought/feeling. Our own symbolical inner language is powerful to communicate with Creation. When the heart supports the thought and the thought is clear and sharply focused, the creative energy is assemble around the visualized thought attracting it like magnets, shaping it into a reality in resonance with the intention. That is what we are, a nation of mages using our imagination to shape reality. That is the strength of a prayer. Asking for an unshakeable faith in the process. Avoiding to think about how it could come to be true, at all cost. Trust the process. Trust Creation and its Laws and Principles. Doubt and intellectualizing the creative process simply resets it all.

Namaste, Steven

[frank samuel]

Our attitude even in the most chaotic of situations remaining hopeful that we can resolve any situation no matter how hopeless it seems can help us climb over what we perceive to be insurmountable hurdles thus resolving any type of crisis in our lives. Never underestimate the power that lies within each and every one of us, we are at the crossroads where the injustices of this world would soon come to pass. The main and integral part of the change that we are all experiencing in becoming empower with the will power to recreate the world around you is YOU, I, ALL of US. Yes we are recreating our world as we speak because this is the very reason why we choose to be here at this time, is time to break away from the shackles of the illusion and let the light shine bright in your heart. You have all the tools you need at your disposal. The time is now all you have to do is REMEMBER who you really are, a multidimensional being empower with the unlimited power of the source of all.

Many many blessings to all...:thumb::wub:

[unplugged]

Conscious awareness is at the top of the creational “pile” and not to be taken lightly ;)

Houman, I agree with you concerning the power of conscious awareness. That's not the issue, from my perspective. That's the given. It goes directly to the Roswell reference concerning how much the GodWannabes fear humanity's waking up to how very powerful each individual truly is.

The issue for me goes directly to the layout of the pieces on the game board at the present time. David Icke's pictorial representations of the pyramidical control structures show this best. When mostly ALL the pieces of Dark persuasion are in the upper, control quadrant. When further, a veil of forgetfulness is placed over humanity from birth, a veil additionally scrambled by mind control, frequency jamming, off-world manipulators, false religious indoctrination, lab-created diseases, time management in the form of workday enslavement that demands ever increasing chunks of time to simply keep up with bills and taxation, wars, internecine strife, destruction of inventions OR the buying of patents to insure non-development of any and all new ideas designed to shift the game away from the controllers -- then conscious awareness becomes an elusive commodity for the vast majority dwelling on Planet Earth.

It's the obscene IMBALANCE I observe between the forces arrayed at present -- the Dark side continually calling the shots and changing the game, the other side scrambling like ants for the crumbs required to keep body and soul intact under survival conditions. It's difficult to utilize the inherent power of conscious awareness when most of humanity's energies are wasted negotiating the daily traps designed to wear down the spirit and fragment the populace.

[sygh]

Fisrt off, I am new to Project Avalon 2, not new to the subject matter though. I'm glad to be here.

The biggest secret turns out to be our own unlimited power. Dr. Deagle spoke of the same thing in his last interview with Bill. Those who have experienced various levels of this power know full well both Bills and others speak the truth. I realize I am new to this venue but speaking my feelings about this matter, I, for one, am more than willing to test my own powers, along with others here ~ collectively. Is this already being done? Who would be a good contact?

As for turning a corner, yes, it feels like we have. Ofcourse, so does the PR. Regardless, it seems this accident has spurred a shift in consciousness. The general public, still unaware of their own spirit in the mental and physical world still have a spirit at the unconscious level. It is here we all can and are manipulated. Their well being is just as much at stake as are those who are aware. In this light, and for those who are aware of their own powers, ... Am I on the right track in thinking the 100th Monkey is a collective and focused state of being?

[lindabaker]

Welcome, sygh. You have great questions. A collective is forming. For example The Great Gathering with Miriam Delicado, or Keisha Crowther, Little Grandmother, and her connections. Also the Nexus meditation. A thread is found here on the forum. We meditate at the same time. Now, who would like to define our intent? Are we able to stop the gushers with our focus? Who wants to voice the exact words and what medium do we use? We could announce something and then link the heck outa the thing. We have a triple effect lunar eclipse coming on the 26th with shocking and explosive tendencies. Let's roll with this one. The astrologers say that they haven't seen these lineups for a long time, and they have gone back 500 years, plus. Susan Miller in the astrology zone gives good and understandable details. Glad you are here, stick around. Linda

[Rocky_Shorz]

Happy summer solstice everyone...

2.5 years until the Winter Solstice that ends the Mayan Calendar...

US is rolling a Carrier group to intercept Irans aid flotilla...

If we are all going to learn our internal gifts to stop the converging plans and timelines... we better do it quick

the Shiites Holy war has already begun and many are sleeping through it, the over government of London is at full swing in their plans...

We are spewing death into our oceans, the relief wells will be in place within 2 weeks, but sounds like they are going to remove the present cap to try and fit one on that will allow them to capture 95% of the crude instead of capping it to shut it off...

with the cap removed the 35 ton PSI is going to be tearing the hole wider.

This isn't your typical well like you have seen on TV where it blows the equipment aside and there is a 100' gusher...

if this was on land that much pressure would create a gusher 1/4-1/2 a mile in the air...

if ETs are watching they must be holding their breath knowing the monster we've released wondering if we can find a way to stop it...

now for spiritual beings that can push Cat 4 Storms back where they came from or release the energy so it washes into shore as a Cat 1...

stopping this flow is a reality

stopping this war is a reality

the question is, can we stop the greed and hatred?

can we open the hearts of those that want our world to end and share with them the peace of what is to come?

We need to start, and soon...

[jcocks]

Happy summer solstice everyone...

2.5 years until the Winter Solstice that ends the Mayan Calendar...

US is rolling a Carrier group to intercept Irans aid flotilla...

If we are all going to learn our internal gifts to stop the converging plans and timelines... we better do it quick

the Shiites Holy war has already begun and many are sleeping through it, the over government of London is at full swing in their plans...

We are spewing death into our oceans, the relief wells will be in place within 2 weeks, but sounds like they are going to remove the present cap to try and fit one on that will allow them to capture 95% of the crude instead of capping it to shut it off...

with the cap removed the 35 ton PSI is going to be tearing the hole wider.

This isn't your typical well like you have seen on TV where it blows the equipment aside and there is a 100' gusher...

if this was on land that much pressure would create a gusher 1/4-1/2 a mile in the air...

if ETs are watching they must be holding their breath knowing the monster we've released wondering if we can find a way to stop it...

now for spiritual beings that can push Cat 4 Storms back where they came from or release the energy so it washes into shore as a Cat 1...

stopping this flow is a reality

stopping this war is a reality

the question is, can we stop the greed and hatred?



Actually, my feeling is that this oil-well catastrophe has not yet fulfilled its' purpose. I'm not sure what that may be (but talks of a tie-in with the rising of Atlantis may be a clue)...
It will end, but not yet, not now ....

As for ETs' holding their breath - I very much doubt it, as they already know the underlying story behind the whole situation, and know that it will end positively. Remember that *EVERYTHING* happens for a reason, nothing is just "random".

There is still much "waking up" to do on Earth by many people, and somehow the gulf oil disaster is tying in to all of that....

Joel

[TraineeHuman]

I imagine Joel is right that the ETs probably aren't holding their breath. I suspect they know that there's been a long, gradual process of more and more of the public's becoming aware of what's really been going on. Atlantis rising would be quite spectacular. But maybe the point is that, less spectacularly but just as importantly, this time, BP simply won't get away with sweeping anything under the rug, so to speak?

After all, 15 or 20 years ago "green" stocks were poor performers as investments. Since then, it became almost mandatory for any company to declare that it has major programs to improve the environment. That was about 15 years ago, and Joe Public has been getting less gullible all the time since.

[sygh]

LindaBaker,
Thank you for replying with the information. I wrote some very concise information I was getting but when I was ready to send it, my computer went down for some routine maintenance. Very quickly & w/o details...

Meditate on covering the earth in a misty life healing neon green and then focus this living green neon force most directly on the man-made Gulf fissure. Afterwords, cover it in the chakra purple to seal it and reinforce the healing. I know I'm not the only one who sees the chakras as the way to orchestrate and vibrationally resinate the earths own green and vibrational healing process at the universal level of consciousness. Don't ask me why but I see adding a dot of gold in the middle of the purple. This is as it was shownto me. By focusing on the chakras, we egotistically step aside, while our healing energy stays. This assists in the natural healing process. I am starting this meditation now and practicing growing stronger for the 26th. But we must talk. The information you've given about the 26th is a great factor as well as considerations I now have no time to communicate with you about, on my part. I want to hear what everyone else has to say.

We must talk. I will find and go to Nexus. All who are interested, go to Nexus. I urge all to join in on this effort. The nice part about it is the fact that, in your higher state of consciousness, you already are.

As for sticking around, I've been here for a long time.

Sincerely,

Robin Mead

[eva08]

The problems are at an INTENTIONAL level - it's not REALLY about engineering. As you may know, there already exists working technology that is hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of what's currently publicly available.

This is a 'political' problem [not party politics, but referring to the intentions of those who are trying to determine the fate of the planet and the direction we all take - for whatever reasons of their own].

It's not REALLY an engineering problem. That's the cover story.... or, rather, the excuse.

Thank you, Bill, I am glad the issue of intentions was brought up. In light of things, IMHO, there is always a higher perspective to things. On a lower level you could see the intentions as destructive - on a higher level as a learning experience that needs to be mastered now in a greater picture.
Maybe we really NEED to tap into higher technologies NOW to resolve this oil gusher - I suddenly had this urgent feeling, this gusher was only the "WARM UP LESSON" to emergencies of the imminent earth changes to come.
Leaving all the destructive crap aside for a moment and attempting to see all this in a purely positive light: If, as you said - and I totally agree with you there, technologies exist that are thousands of years ahead of publicly allowed knowledge -- maybe this event is the triggering stone to start uncovering and channeling and allowing some of these technologies to resolve adequately, efficiently and positively the situation at hand. If we collectively ask for solutions, they will come.
If we have volcanoes starting to erupt in greater quantities in the next few years, gushers of much greater proportion could start gushing - and IMHO, we should simply be ready and know how to "repair" the earth crust. Hopefully, we can turn this situation into a positive and constructive lesson learned.

[eva08]

just watched this one: <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/sruf8uatztE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sruf8uatztE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> very frustrating.

[Bill Ryan]

just watched this one: very frustrating.
[c.f. the video in the previous post]

Yes! Very frustrating...

The video asked DID HAARP CAUSE THE BLOWOUT?

No, I don't believe it did: HAARP (which, like other space-based weapons platforms of various kinds, can certainly cause earthquakes and other large-scale effects) was not needed to destroy the rig and create the problem. The BP/Transocean engineers and executives (mostly the executives, motivated by greed and self-interest) did that perfectly well on their own.

For more on the physical causes of the situation (which complement the astral/non-physical influences on the people making key decisions), hours of fascinating and detailed reading are to be had on The Oil Drum forum (http://theoildrum.com) ... an oil engineers' discussion board, not political or conspiratorial.

A couple of notes on the video...
-- There was no 'black box'. Rigs don't work that way, like planes do. But it's true that seven hours of data are missing and were not transmitted to shore. The records and electronic storage on the rig will all have been melted into nothing in the firestorm that destroyed the platform.
-- The vehicles on the runway came from a stale-dated Google Earth image and were confirmed by investigators on the ground last month to be no longer there.
-- [AC Griffith didn't refer to this, but others have]: the vertical 'beams' of purple light recorded above the burning rig on the amateur video were certainly lens flares.

I received a graphic message from a person well-connected to those in the know about this, that went as follows:


The main non-standard features of this reservoir are the pressures involved.

The BP executives were fully aware of the risks they were taking by drilling there.

(It is as much as an accident as drunk driving on the wrong side of the highway is...)

[Fredkc]

Thought Id chime in here with a link to some ponderings of mine: HAARP & the Gusher (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2640-HAARP-vs-The-Gusher)

That thread also links to one about a History channel program on HAARP. In it (part 4, I think), they point out the fact that, after Katrina, no large storms came in from the Atlantic for a few years. Every storm simply made a U-turn and went back out to sea.

Seems to me a good choice to use when it comes to "pushing govt to come clean", and do something positive to ease our woes during this. if HAARP can truly turn storms, as claimed, then this would be a helluva time to "do some good" with it.

Fred

[LindyLou22]

Thanks so much, Bill, this is great!

As far as more drilling in the same area, of course my first reaction is "you've got to be kidding!" But on thinking about it, if this gusher is pressure driven, wouldn't it make sense to tap into the same area? Not only would it help relieve the pressure, but there is at least a chance that some of the crude would be useable rather than being wasted.

Now here's my real question for you Bill. A few days ago a judge ruled to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling, then today this headline: "BP Pulls Off Containment Cap, Spill Gets MASSIVELY Worse."

Is this a coincidence?

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks so much, Bill, this is great!

As far as more drilling in the same area, of course my first reaction is "you've got to be kidding!" But on thinking about it, if this gusher is pressure driven, wouldn't it make sense to tap into the same area? Not only would it help relieve the pressure, but there is at least a chance that some of the crude would be useable rather than being wasted.


I may not have quite understood what you meant here! But just in case you were referring to the two relief wells, the use of this term is a bit of a misnomer.

Their purpose isn't to relieve the pressure: it's to 'sharpshoot' the bottom of the original well - like hitting a dinner plate three and a half miles away, but it's easier than one might think.

They have very accurate ways of 'steering' the giant drill heads, and once they get close to the original steel piping they 'home in' to the electromagnetic signature of the pipe like a very slow guided missile.

They will certainly get to exactly the right spot... this is a very tried and tested technology.

What happens then is that they try to seal the well from the bottom up. This is the 'bottom kill' strategy. They will first try to use what the oil engineers call 'mud' (not really mud as we know it, but very specialized, very thick and very heavy fluid) to clog it all up with a heavy 'column' of fluid that is so heavy that its weight is greater than the pressure of the oil and gas pushing up from the reservoir.

If they do their math right (and, importantly, have the data to calculate all the variables), then that will work. At the moment they're ahead of schedule and I think you can be sure that they have the brightest and best on that job, working night and day.

Here's a diagram of the progress so far, as of 17 June: 6 days ago. They're actually nearly there, but will be going very carefully now to avoid more mistakes.

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http://projectavalon.net/relief_wells_progress_17_June.jpg
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Given the freedom to make good decisions without interference from executives motivated by the balance sheet (or any other agenda that goes against safety), these guys are very good at what they do.

Once they do that, they seal it all up with cement. They can always drill out the cement later and start again, but my guess would be that they won't touch the thing after surviving the current (really very scary) scare.

I've said earlier that I think they will succeed, and this is my view. I think we got away with this by the skin of our teeth. Some good might even come from all this.


Now here's my real question for you Bill. A few days ago a judge ruled to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling, then today this headline: "BP Pulls Off Containment Cap, Spill Gets MASSIVELY Worse."

Is this a coincidence?

I think it is. The best source of engineering data (supplied by good people who know the oil business - this is not a political or conspiracy site, but I've learned a LOT from carefully reading this material), is here:

http://theoildrum.com/node/6645

(Note that the threads on this forum are moving very fast and they are continually closing threads to comments and opening new ones - so pretty soon this link will not work for new comments. But there will be a redirect to another open thread where comments are live. If you read these threads (and there are quite a few of them by now) you'll learn a great deal about the physical and engineering situation.

Another excellent information source is here (on Godlike Productions, of all places, which is usually a terrible forum).

http://godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1097505/pg1

The Original Poster is a GLP moderator called 'SHR' who explains things very clearly, doesn't mince his words, knows the business, and has been 100% right about everything so far. The PDF I created to summarize the basic problem (http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf) was compiled from his two original posts, with full reference to him.

My recommendation is that these two sources will keep any engineers among you very well informed of the real-world physical problems and solutions.

(What else may be going on besides the engineering and geophysics is Avalon territory....) :)

[Caren]

Thanks Bill for the wonderful explanation.
caren

[Alex]

Hopi Prophecy:
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

[Etherios]

Bill you said something good will come out of this... care to elaborate ? we can all use some extra help to see this more positively :)

[loveandgratitude]

Now more than ever your assistance is needed with focused prayers and connecting to the Light energy

Ask for Divine assistance to cease the flow of oil in the Gulfto return the area to balanced condition. Include the marine animals to be held in Divine healing hands of Light.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE GULF OF MEXICO


YOUR IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE IS REQUESTED


The recent oil spill in the Gulf is escalating with catastrophic vulnerability concerning the wellhead. Experts say a huge and very toxic gas bubble has formed and extreme pressure is building - fissures have already developed. They are predicting real possibility of volcanic like explosion producing tsunami and other major events.

VOLCANIC TSUNAMI AND POISON GAS ALERT

In these next few weekswe will experience extremely powerful energy especially with the astro alignmentssolstice and eclipses.

Now more than everyour assistance is needed with focused prayers and connecting to the Light energy. Ask for Divine assistance to cease the flow of oil in the Gulfto return the area to balanced condition. Include the marine animals to be held in Divine healing hands of Light.

Please ask everyone around you and network groups to assist in combining this focus starting NOW connecting to the Universal energies.

PROFESSOR EMOTO:
A friend just sent me the followingwhich she has just received -
It is 'straight from the horse's mouthand I want to share with you because it is so focusing for our energies in
Response to the Gulf tragedy and is so powerful for healing the waters and its inhabitants -


Today at our church we read a letter from Dr. Masaru Emoto who many of you will recognize as the scientist from Japan who has done all the research and publications about the characteristics of water. Among other thingshis research revealed that water physically responds to emotions.
Right nowmost of us have the predominantly angry emotion when we consider what is happening in the Gulf. And while certainly we are justified in that emotionwe may be of greater assistance to our planet and its life formsif we sincerelypowerfully and humbly pray the prayer that Dr Emotohimselfhas proposed.

PRAYER:
"I send the energy of love and gratitude to the water and all the living creatures
In the Gulf of Mexico and its surroundings.
To the whalesdolphinspelicansfishshellfishplanktonscoralsalgaeand
All living creatures . . . I am sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.
I love you. "

I am passing this request to people who I believe might be willing to participate in this prayerto set an intention of love and healing that is so largeso overwhelming that we can perform a miracle in the Gulf of Mexico.
We are not powerless. We are powerful. Our united energyspeaking this prayer daily...multiple times daily....can literally shift the balance of destruction that is happening.
We don't have to know how......we just have to recognize that the power of love is greater than any power active in the Universe today.

Please join - repeating this healing prayer of Dr. Emoto's.
And feel free to copy and paste this to send it around the planet.
Let's take chargeand do our own clean up!


Your focus is alignmed to Divine Will and the highest good of all concerned.

THANK YOU FOR SENDING THIS MESSAGE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE

[Bill Ryan]

Bill you said something good will come out of this... care to elaborate ? we can all use some extra help to see this more positively :)

It's true.



A lot of people, not previously radical, politically active, or politically oriented have suddenly woken up to how fragile our ecosystem is and how we are mercilessly trashing it in the name of corporate profits.
There may be legislative reviews of safety and drilling regulations. (What happened was the oil industry's Chernobyl)
There may be internal reviews of engineering procedures within the oil industry.
Well-intended individuals (oil engineers, geologists, supervisors, executives), with significant responsibility, will learn to be more cautious (or to hold their ground) after experiencing the results of bad calls (or allowing themselves to be over-ridden by others with different agendas).
Many people reading this, who have so far been spectators, will be motivated to take action and consider what your job is here this lifetime.
Ethical politicians, previously obedient or under control, might start to speak up.
Ethical journalists, previously obedient or under control, might start to speak up.
Ethical scientists and engineers, previously obedient or under control, might start to speak up.
You, previously obedient or under control, might start to speak up.


It's a wake-up call. Humanity has been like the frog in the saucepan (slowly coming to the boil, but the frog is hypnotized).

This is a shock that might get the frog moving fast.

[noxon medem]

Bill Ryan: - "This is a shock that might get the frog moving fast."

re:
- And maybe Jumping ?

This is a perfect occation for a leap into a greater collective consciousness,
and
maybe what it takes to push free/new energy-devices to the public domain.
But
I´m not holding my breath on that one, just a sustained hope.

: - )

[Etherios]

...

Bill i dont know about the US ppl but here in Greece ... nothing happens. Even the news talk about this like its something far far away and small. The last 2-3 days there havent even said anything new. I am sure this goes for the rest of the EU countries also.

I would love to know how the US Mexico Brazil is using this ... cause the feeling i et is that total blackout is really effective and we have to see ppl dieing before we start to yell :(

[steve_a]

Hi Ethirios,

You are right about the mainstream major more comercial news outlets. It appears that the Football World Cup is far more important (England finally qualified for the next round by the way!).

Two of the latest news articles I read were that BP had to remove the capture valve of the leak as it was hit by a mini submarine: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/138392

You can get an up to date quote from the BP website: http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV2.html

Also Reuters just posted an article about the levels of methane gas down there which apparently are 1 million times higher than normal: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65L6IA20100622

The news is out there, we just need to look for it and not wait for it to find us. The comercial news channels (CNN, Fox, BBC etc.) can only offer a limited service.

Best regards,

Steve

UPDATE: It seems that the oil collecting resumed this morning: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1416392020100624

[Thunderbird]

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I think that woman will help in the process of getting the frog jumping.

download that video and post it everywhere.

[frank samuel]

Looking for the media to be accountable is almost impossible usually responsible news media reporters have to work with alternative type news sources due to the censorship . Within the internet we can find an incredible amount of concerned activist from Hollywood stars to concerned reporters, professionals and citizens who could no longer sit quietly in the sidelines looking out for number one. For many of these people the gulf of Mexico ecological disaster has become the final wake up call, time to let our voices be heard. We can all do our part in whatever way you can, is never too late to do something each and everyone of us can make a difference, the time is NOW.

Many many blessings to all...:thumb:

[Etherios]

erm i agree with you guys the main stream media are ... not worth seeing. I was talking bout the wake up bill says might happen from the oil spill and i was wondering if ppl are getting the effects of this disaster.

Most ppl wont look on the net or from other kinds of media. They wait (unfortunately) for the main stream to give them the food.... this is my Q. If this huge disaster is covered so well that ppl dont know its happening then ... maybe if ppl start to die and evacuations begin the world might realize something is wrong. Atm World cup is far more "important" to most...

[Elandiel BernElve]

Dear citizens of this planet,

First of all many thanks to all of you great people contributing to this emerging movement to solve and act on this problem.
The way problems are discussed and information is traded here is how i'd like to see it happen on a global scale. No secrets, no personal agendas, no personal interests but all facing the same way toward a solution by combining each and every piece of information and solution in an open minded way.

That having said it hurts me to see that in Europe, and I speak for the Netherlands and France now, the news of some stupid world championship running after a leather ball is far more interesting than the well being of our planet. strange...
I guess it's been done deliberately by MSM.

Europe already has got it's financial crisis with Greece, Portugal, Italy, and Spain on the edge of bancrupcy. Spreading news of a global threatening major natural disaster is considered by the PTB to be too much.

I for instance don't agree, heaven, I'm glad that from the other side of the world I can reach you, your information and insights to after all spread this news to people around here because there's a major lack of interest and urgency concerning the oil leak just because they don't know how serious this all is.

The people who do realise the implications of the situation are very much and almost constantly empathizing with the planet and especially the Americans, (not just the northerns) .
We do all we can on a consciouss level to help you

Quote Bill:
I'd be interested to hear from others who sense (or DON'T sense) that the situation has changed a little, something like 2-3 days ago.

Hell yeah! actually I've had it for a week or two now, on all kinds of levels, spiritual, personal development, conciousness, much better tuned senses... In some way it feels like becoming a Jedi
I sense some kind of growing invisible power at my/our disposition but not yet able or learned to use it. like it's just been UNlocked

strange, but profoundly good!

Sincerely

[greybeard]

Looking for the media to be accountable is almost impossible usually responsible news media reporters have to work with alternative type news sources due to the censorship . Within the internet we can find an incredible amount of concerned activist from Hollywood stars to concerned reporters, professionals and citizens who could no longer sit quietly in the sidelines looking out for number one. For many of these people the gulf of Mexico ecological disaster has become the final wake up call, time to let our voices be heard. We can all do our part in whatever way you can, is never too late to do something each and everyone of us can make a difference, the time is NOW.

Many many blessings to all...:thumb:

I agree with Frank and many others here.
Many many people are deeply concerned with the disaster.
The news only reports that which is NEW, its not that they are indifferent it just what they do.
If the situation deteriorates then once again it will be front page.
People learn bit by bit and just because they watch grown men kicking a ball filled with wind about for large sums of money doesnt mean they are not aware and concerned. Seems in this world we need distraction from what is real.
I am positive about the outcome in that it may cause many people to look at the priorities in their lives.

The Dali Lama was asked in an interview if he felt the human race has changed, his reply.
We have become much more compassionate concerned and giving.
When disaster strikes another part of the world, people in UK and many other places, dig very deeply into their pockets to help people they have never met and places they have never been.
I believe that a raising of consciousness is happening on a vast scale.
We are changing, as a species, rapidly.
Personally I feel energy coursing through my body, I feel different, more compassionate, more at ease.
Im sure many others are experiencing this too.
C

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

the positive thing about this cataclysmic event is it will wake up the rest of humanity and ends the system as we know it.. total collapse of everything,money , economy, power usage, flying. driving.. then we can reshape the future on the ashes of the fallen satanic system and its monions.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

Personally I feel energy coursing through my body, I feel different, more compassionate, more at ease.
Im sure many others are experiencing this too.
C
i agree but also feeling a bit anxious waiting for it all to get moving so we can get through the trauma and out the other side.

[Dougall]

What about USOs? and Deep Undersea Bases? Do they have a roll in this 'Oil Volcano SNAFU'?
Maybe some kind of helpful cleanup-discloser with a side of GREEN tea:frog:

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

It appears that home made videos are beginning to appear on Youtube about Pensacola Beach landed oil deposits. Here's a typical one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls

Gives you some insight and draws it a little further to home.

There are also rumours that some of the southern States will be evacuated, but I'm waiting for firmer sources to confirm.

Best regards,

Steve

[the_IRF]

Hi Everybody,

It appears that home made videos are beginning to appear on Youtube about Pensacola Beach landed oil deposits. Here's a typical one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls

Thanks Steve_A for the great find. Gosh, it sure is ugly looking.

[Caren]

That is very sad. Is the water really boiling? And what would cause that to happen?

[jaybee]

Hi Everybody,

It appears that home made videos are beginning to appear on Youtube about Pensacola Beach landed oil deposits. Here's a typical one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls


I wonder if the 'bubbling' is countless little creatures trying to get air....?

Not sure...

edit to say... just seen another post about oil being burnt off...perhaps it's that?

further edit...watched the short video again...can't be caused by the burning or the guy would have said the water was boiling hot.

so...creatures, chemicals ? Or perhaps attempts are being made to get oxygen into the water to help the life in there? And it's
bubbling up in the moving shallow waters...

[Luke]

Connect the dots:
High methane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane) content (40% IIRC). Methane is lighter than air gas. As the pressure falls down, gas expands, till it reaches surface.
Oil plumes are dispersed underwater, so is methane
Burning requires free oxygen.
Interestingly, methane molecule, CH4, forms a near-perfect terahedron.
Also, some of it might just be air caught in the wave

[Operator]

Is the water really boiling?

Probably bubbling ... not boiling.
The video is actually too short and not clear to see where the bubbling takes place. Is it only where the water arrives on the beach or
also in deeper water ?

It would be interesting to take some samples in order to establish the compositions of the gas.
Maybe somebody over there could fill a bottle with water, turn it upside down under water and capture the bubbles by letting them expel the water.

1. by controlled releasing the gas one could carefully 'smell' ... (wave the fumes toward your nose, do not inhale above it)
2. by carefully releasing some gas one could try to ignite (a small (!) portion of) the gas
3. after it is determined it won't ignite one could try to extinguish a candle flame in another bell or bottle

And of course a lab could do more precise testing ... just some investigative ideas.

[Elandiel BernElve]

ANP just reported first oilstains to reach Mexican shores.

ANP=Dutch Press Association (comparible with Reuters etc.)
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2277944/mogelijk-olie-van-platform-vs-kust-mexico.html (Dutch)

They say they're not sure whether it's from the Deepwater Horizon leak or from another source.
Now Mexican ecology and tourism are the next victims of this modern version of the black death.
The color of the oil seems more like rust than black oil, is this due to chemical reactions maybe?


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/6/14/1276501809253/Delicate-patterns-in-the--004.jpg

What a mess...

[bluestflame]

even the wave formation appears out of character, like a blob of jelly , very "cohesive"

[Fredkc]

Odd, off topic question for Bill (since you've stated your interest in math);

Was following my nose this morning and came across something called the Goldbach conjecture.
Every even integer greater than 2 can be written as the sum of two primes. Verified up to 10,000 in pre-stage coach days, then up to n ≤ 10^5 in 1938. And just recently to n ≤ 1.609*10^18 .

So here was my burning dumb question of the morning:
Is there some practical use for this. Either in statistical work, or as some method of finding other significant products of a given number?
Or were Goldbach and Euler merely entertaining themselves?

Fred

[Bill Ryan]

Odd, off topic question for Bill (since you've stated your interest in math);

Was following my nose this morning and came across something called the Goldbach conjecture.
Every even integer greater than 2 can be written as the sum of two primes. Verified up to 10,000 in pre-stage coach days, then up to n ≤ 10^5 in 1938. And just recently to n ≤ 1.609*10^18 .

So here was my burning dumb question of the morning:
Is there some practical use for this. Either in statistical work, or as some method of finding other significant products of a given number?
Or were Goldbach and Euler merely entertaining themselves?

Fred

Huh? Yes, off-topic, I suspect!

The Goldbach is one of many conjectures that are almost certainly true, but have never been proven. (The ETs may have to help us with that one - and a number of others, too. )

Fermat's last theorem is another... it was finally proven a few years ago, but it took days to present and the mathematical argument went almost all the way round the universe and back. The very brilliant Pierre de Fermat was famous for having written in the margin of his Diophantus that he had found a wonderful proof of it, but the margin of the book was "too narrow to contain it".

No-one else has ever re-discovered what he'd found. Some think he made an error, but others believe his insight might just have died with him. There are a number of similar stories in the history of math, which is far from dry: it's filled with unusual, eccentric and very brilliant minds.

Another story that sticks with me is that of Evariste Galois, a maverick French math student who was only 21 when he got himself into a meaningless duel over an insult to a girl. Knowing that he would probably be killed, he stayed up all night writing down everything he knew - every now and then punctuating it with: "There's not enough time, there's not enough time".

At dawn, he died in the duel - and his scrawled, frantic notes kept mathematicians busy for the next 150 years. No-one knows what he didn't have time to record.

Is this pure math useful? It often is - in unanticipated applications like quantum physics, computing, chaos theory, etc. The insiders probably use all kinds of fancy math to describe the behavior of wormholes and stargates. But I don't specifically know if the Goldbach Conjecture has found any practical use (yet!).

On a slightly more prosaic level, some fairly high-level math is used in hydrodynamics - to predict the behavior of oil and gas reservoirs. At least one other Avalon member is a mathematician who understands this stuff pretty well.

Back on topic now, please... :)

[lindabaker]

It was off topic, perhaps, but very interesting nonetheless. There's something powerful, maybe, in the concept about the idea that every integer greater than two, which can be written as the sum of two primes. This tells me that everything is done in rounded sets. If you think of time as non-linear, this gives the route to the next dimension or matrix in a concentric path, right? Like in collapsing rings? Aha, the sacred cornucopia? Hmm, maybe the spiral concept is a set of interlocking doughnuts. Okay, math majors, what am I talking about? Thanks, LB

[freespirit]

Connect the dots:
High methane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane) content (40% IIRC). Methane is lighter than air gas. As the pressure falls down, gas expands, till it reaches surface.
Oil plumes are dispersed underwater, so is methane
Burning requires free oxygen.
Interestingly, methane molecule, CH4, forms a near-perfect terahedron.
Also, some of it might just be air caught in the wave

methane+lightning=fire

[eva08]

Thank you, for posting this amazing message of Prof Emoto. Here is a link to a message of his address about the oil spill: http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/dr.emotos_message_2.html and here is a link to a short video of photographs showing how thought changes water http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8928139327627201258#
THOUGHTS OF WELL BEING AND HEALING.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

ANP just reported first oilstains to reach Mexican shores.

ANP=Dutch Press Association (comparible with Reuters etc.)
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2277944/mogelijk-olie-van-platform-vs-kust-mexico.html (Dutch)

They say they're not sure whether it's from the Deepwater Horizon leak or from another source.
Now Mexican ecology and tourism are the next victims of this modern version of the black death.
The color of the oil seems more like rust than black oil, is this due to chemical reactions maybe?


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/6/14/1276501809253/Delicate-patterns-in-the--004.jpg

What a mess...

revelation 16.3

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

i think this is the result they were after. the only accident here is perhaps they did not expect it to be this bad. I still have my doubts though as we are dealing with a level of evil unimaginable to humans.

Barry sotero is treading on thin ice here he better head for his bunker soon or heel get lynched if they dont stop this.. his bum chum rham emannuel is getting out of dodge. the rats are about to desert the sinking ship .. november.. smells like civil war brewing..

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

barry sotero up to his neck in it with bp..

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u/6/rjNLup9GGLM

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Mostly for Bill, or opinions of others w/knowledge of geology of Gulf sea floor: The below referenced site claims this is an underground asphalt volcano, whose flow will easily be corrected when they desire & the main reason for the problem was to spray corexit to cull the population. (which fits in w/the Anglo Saxon Mission) My question is not so much if they did it on purpose or not (I have my opinion on that), but I'm questioning the asphalt volcano theory because right along I've been questioning these tar balls.

http://shtf411.com/bp-illusion-of-a-false-spill-t7065.html

[Bill Ryan]

Mostly for Bill, or opinions of others w/knowledge of geology of Gulf sea floor: The below referenced site claims this is an underground asphalt volcano, whose flow will easily be corrected when they desire & the main reason for the problem was to spray corexit to cull the population. (which fits in w/the Anglo Saxon Mission) My question is not so much if they did it on purpose or not (I have my opinion on that), but I'm questioning the asphalt volcano theory because right along I've been questioning these tar balls.

http://shtf411.com/bp-illusion-of-a-false-spill-t7065.html

In the forum post you referenced, the member writes


I cannot reveal my sources, they do go straight to the top, but hopefully what I write will echo inside of each person reading this as the truth.

"My sources go straight to the top?" This is loose, generalized nonsense, written by someone trying to impress.

Avalon and Camelot sources do NOT "go straight to the top" (they never do). If I ever wrote something as woolly as that, I'd expect people to question me hard.

My position at the moment is that this is the theory of the person who wrote the post, and he's seeking to bolster it by inventing a source.

He may or may not have interesting information to consider, but by pretending that he's heard it from an insider he discredits himself.

[lunaflare]

If this region in the Gulf causes volcanic land mass to arise, plus high levels of methane, could tidal waves ensue?

[steve_a]

Hi Lunaflare,

There seems to be some chatter on the internet to this end, where an eruption of methane gas could cause a tidal wave of 100 meters in height. There are two articles I found about this, both of them apparently originating from the Helium website: http://www.helium.com/items/1868691-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

I beleive one of Alex Jones radio guests also talked about this scenario, as did Dr. Bill Deagle with our Bill, however claimed it would be a build up of steam that causes the eruption.

These three stories emerged after the interview by Jones talking with Lindsey Williams and the broken casings because of the high pressure that the undersea oil is producing coming to the 'surface'.

Are the three sources scaremongers? We won't really know until it happens, and also of course this sort of story would do a great boost for property prices of the region.

From the sources I like to get my information from, there seems to be more of a concern about toxicity and polution rather than an actual tsunami. But now the subject has been brought up there may be more in the can of worms that meets the eye.

Best regards,

Steve

[sygh]

the positive thing about this cataclysmic event is it will wake up the rest of humanity and ends the system as we know it.. total collapse of everything,money , economy, power usage, flying. driving.. then we can reshape the future on the ashes of the fallen satanic system and its monions.

I too feel an awakening, not for all but for millions of people around the world. I'm sure, millions more who, just because they who do not mentally acknowledge or understand their higher state of consciousness, do function in that aspect with each possitive mental thought, as first spirit, to mind to material. On the 26th of June, I was able to envision the world currounded by a misty green chakra but, because of personal issues, that's all I could do. It seems simple enough to me that we would meditate on the earth, utilizing the vibratory colors of the living spectrum. I was amazed however, by the ease of which I was able to do this; had an almost immediate response. With this, I realize I am in no way, alone. (one step further, I never was.) That said, I have a question...

In relation to what is happening in the Gulf what do you feel and think about what's engraved on the Georgia Stones? After some consideration, I believe someone wanted to leave a message to those who survive a catastrophic event. (Am I correct in thinking the Georgia Stones can be attributed to Ted Turner?)

[lunaflare]

Thanks for your reply Steve.

Yes there is a "won't really know until it happens" element.....

Reminds me of the final epidsode dramatic visual image from the Canadian Tv series, "The Sanctuary" (season two).

[shiva777]

the amount of oil spill "scenarios" being posted on the internet plays totally in to the hands of the controllers...pummel people with catastrophic info and fear-based "experts" and bloggers to keep people's vibe down...ask yourself,are you doing anything to neutralise the spill and if not ,then why keep spreading the doom oil spill story...

yes,it's bad,the conspiracy and fear propagaters are sad...act and FEEL as though the waters are pure,don't act and feel as though the waters will destroy everything

[Humble Janitor]

the amount of oil spill "scenarios" being posted on the internet plays totally in to the hands of the controllers...pummel people with catastrophic info and fear-based "experts" and bloggers to keep people's vibe down...ask yourself,are you doing anything to neutralise the spill and if not ,then why keep spreading the doom oil spill story...

yes,it's bad,the conspiracy and fear propagaters are sad...act and FEEL as though the waters are pure,don't act and feel as though the waters will destroy everything

I take all with a grain of salt. It is just interesting to watch and see how others react to this unfolding drama. Does it mean that one must buy along with everything? Not necessarily. It's not a bad idea to keep a pulse of how the general public is reacting.

[Humble Janitor]

revelation 16.3

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

i think this is the result they were after. the only accident here is perhaps they did not expect it to be this bad. I still have my doubts though as we are dealing with a level of evil unimaginable to humans.

Barry sotero is treading on thin ice here he better head for his bunker soon or heel get lynched if they dont stop this.. his bum chum rham emannuel is getting out of dodge. the rats are about to desert the sinking ship .. november.. smells like civil war brewing..

I groan every time I see someone try to connect this disaster to the Bible.

Also, why does this have to be about Obama? Is it just more convenient to drag out the birth certificate crap during a disaster like this?

Can you say DISTRACTION? And not in the way you think. Most people don't care about where Obama was born or what his real name is. What they do care about is his seeming inability to take charge.

I don't care about carbon taxes or the "green" agenda. I do care about survival.

[perfectresonance]

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2010m6d13-Evidence-BP-oil-spill-is-disaster-capitalism-by-criminal-elite-to-depopulate-and-stop-ET-disclosure


Evidence: BP oil spill is disaster capitalism by criminal elite to depopulate and stop ET disclosure
June 13, 1:01 AM Seattle Exopolitics Examiner Alfred Lambremont Webre


Well, they said we would live in interesting times.

dZHnStD690U

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

I groan every time I see someone try to connect this disaster to the Bible.

Also, why does this have to be about Obama? Is it just more convenient to drag out the birth certificate crap during a disaster like this?

Can you say DISTRACTION? And not in the way you think. Most people don't care about where Obama was born or what his real name is. What they do care about is his seeming inability to take charge.

I don't care about carbon taxes or the "green" agenda. I do care about survival.

yes i agree with what you say.. im saying the ptb are shaping the events as per that book.. unfortunately you and me are still a tiny minority, lots of people still do care what barry sotero says and they are still easily manipulated by elites.. i think most want this donkey out of office wherever he comes from.. the fact that he is a wallstreet and oil puppet is becoming clear even to the most mind controlled.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Just posting this to keep information flowing. The following email was cited on UrbanSurvival.com

From a commercial airline captain:

"..., Saturday afternoon, just flew from Chicago to Orlando (Florida). Do this often. Around 14000" a dark hazy level across the state (Florida) as far as I could see. Have never seen this before. There were T-storms north of Orlando that didn't seem to make any difference. Also, just north of Atlanta, for a short time at 33000' I smelt oil in the air. I am an airline pilot and am always in the air."

Like most of you, I try to read and listen to all the facts, conjecture & prophecies that are floating around about this oil spill. I have no idea how this is going to go down, but it seems as if every attempt in the last few years by the PTB to create havoc, have failed. The Bird Flu, the Swine Flu, etc. I like to think it's because the Universe is now on our side. According to Calleman's interpretation of the Mayan calender (www.Calleman.com) the calendar is a predictor of the evolution of consciousness and those of us who remember life prior to l960's, clearly it is evolving. I know, for some of us, it seems as if the sheeple aren't waking up fast enough, but perhaps when we enter the next cycle of the Mayan Calendar on 3/9/2011,this will begin to change quickly. In the meantime I am reminded that when you find yourself in a rubber raft in the middle of the ocean surrounded by sharks, you pray, you surround yourself with light, but you also start paddling like hell. In other words, yes, send all the love and light you can to the Gulf, but start preparing for the worse - just in case. And don't forget to work on yourself. Connect the dots in your own world. See how you are creating - and begin creating what you want. (If you're not sure what you're creating, look at what is coming into your life - THAT's it). And start loving yourselves and everyone around you.

[sygh]

the amount of oil spill "scenarios" being posted on the internet plays totally in to the hands of the controllers...pummel people with catastrophic info and fear-based "experts" and bloggers to keep people's vibe down...ask yourself,are you doing anything to neutralise the spill and if not ,then why keep spreading the doom oil spill story...

yes,it's bad,the conspiracy and fear propagaters are sad...act and FEEL as though the waters are pure,don't act and feel as though the waters will destroy everything

I agree with you on this one ~was thinking about this very subject. It also made me wonder. We know how long the attention span of a fish is, how long is the attention span of man?:confused:

[steve_a]

Hi Ba-ba-ra,

I think either the airline pilot must have been flying with his windows open or was in an old jalopy of an aeroplane with leaky gaskets (a little like my car!).
Although I can understand him seeing a haze at 14,000 feet, as can many at that altitude, I'm not too sure of his ability to smell oil at 33,000 feet.
What was the pilots name? Airline company etc.?

Best regards,

Steve

[Beth]

Hi Bill, I had something pop in my head about an hour ago. The movie "The Day After Tomorrow" came to mind and wonder if this is a scenario that could be sparked by this oil spill. The movie was inspired by The Coming Global Superstorm, as you probably know already, but basically postulates this:

* First, that the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic drift generates a cordon of warm water around the north pole, which in turn creates a cordon of warm air that holds in a frozen mass of arctic air.

* Second, that if the North Atlantic Current were to shut down, that barrier would fail, releasing a flood of frozen air into the northern hemisphere, effecting a sudden and drastic temperature shift.

Now on the first part, you could see that is possible as oil being dark in color would absorb light, therefore increasing the temperature. It was just a thought that came to mind so I thought I'd post it here.

[Etherios]

Hi Bill, I had something pop in my head about an hour ago. The movie "The Day After Tomorrow" came to mind and wonder if this is a scenario that could be sparked by this oil spill. The movie was inspired by The Coming Global Superstorm, as you probably know already, but basically postulates this:

* First, that the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic drift generates a cordon of warm water around the north pole, which in turn creates a cordon of warm air that holds in a frozen mass of arctic air.

* Second, that if the North Atlantic Current were to shut down, that barrier would fail, releasing a flood of frozen air into the northern hemisphere, effecting a sudden and drastic temperature shift.

Now on the first part, you could see that is possible as oil being dark in color would absorb light, therefore increasing the temperature. It was just a thought that came to mind so I thought I'd post it here.

From what i have heared and read the past years. the Problem isnt the temperature of the water. Its the salt/sweet water ratio. i think if i remember corectly if too much sweet water (ice from the polars) melts in the stream then the ratio will change and in someway stop the proper flow of the stream ( yes i know if anyone can get better scientific data.. plz). Anyway the oil should act in the same way to stop the flow of the stream. Then again i might be wrong... but i am sure it has nothing to do with the temperature of the water... i mean even if all the antlantic was black the amount of heat that would be needed to actualy warm up the hole sea is huge...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Ba-ba-ra,

I think either the airline pilot must have been flying with his windows open or was in an old jalopy of an aeroplane with leaky gaskets (a little like my car!).
Although I can understand him seeing a haze at 14,000 feet, as can many at that altitude, I'm not too sure of his ability to smell oil at 33,000 feet.
What was the pilots name? Airline company etc.?

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve, Thanks for the post. I don't have that info. It was just something I read on urbansurvival.com (which is actually a Financial/Economic website and since what's happening in the Gulf is and will continue to effect the economy, they address it and post info from readers. I agree with you. I also questioned his being able to smell oil at that altitude, but my philosophy is to gleam as much info as I can and try not to judge it, just put it in my mental file cabinet until something comes along that corroborates or proves it wrong.

In my 2nd half of my previous post when I talked about the raft in the ocean surrounded by sharks, I was trying to encourage those in the Gulf area to begin making some sort of exit plan - just in case any of the catastrophic scenarios that have been described as potentially possible, do come about. As with the Tsunami that hit Indonesia, before the huge wave hit, the water was pulled way out to sea leaving a vast amount of land exposed. Instead of the people running to the hills, many of them, not recognizing what was happening, were drawn down to the ocean, starring in disbelief at the phenomena in front of them. I feel as if that is what is happening in the surrounding Gulf states. The people almost seem hypnotized or paralyzed by the situation. I believe they need to expect the worse & then if it doesn't happen, no harm was done by their leaving the area for a while. If something serious does happen, Hurricane Katrina should have taught us that whatever the Gov't does will be too little, too late. Stay curious, B

[Decibellistics]

Did anyone see the Fox News report on Your World with Neil Cavuto? It was an Englishman telecaster in his place, and he was speaking about two subjects in particular, about the oil hitting Mississippi, and most importantly, about a ship called "A Whale" that has the capabilities to suck in 1 million gallons of oily water a day.....The only reason that it is unable to be used is due to a law in place, that......"will give greater support to unions" and cop outs like the such.......They had a phone interview commence and the man on the line made a statement at the very end saying that there were no skimmer boats in the area and no response seen yet....and the announcer kept attempting to interject and immediately after the man said it they cut to commercial.

Kinda fishy.

I digress, do any of the Bible scholars think that the oceans turning red like blood could relate to the oil spill?

[wynderer]

Greetings All -- this is my first post after the required response to Gareth's -- i hope you are not all going to tell me i am being negative, but i am very concerned re what i am going to write here & feel i have to write this

my fellow abductee friend recently sent me this:
' I just got through reading one of Whitley Streiber's 'recent' books, 2012: The War for Souls. It's basically about how the reptilians try to steal our souls from their other dimensional planet earth on December 21, 2012. The interesting thing about this story is that Streiber wrote this book back in 2006, I believe, and he talks about how the reptilians can't breathe oxygen well, which requires them to utilize a concoction of gases that contain methane and hydrogen sulfide -- two of the primary chemicals being released by the dispersants that are being used by BP to dilute the oil.

'Streiber also talks about them using gateways in, for instance, the Gulf of Mexico, to enter this dimension. Remember the interview with Aaron McCollum, one of the super soldiers, on Project Camelot where he talks about the stargate at the Gulf of Aden? Also, a guy named Ken Klein, who's been on Coast to Coast am several times, has claimed to have 'seen' what he calls 'demons' in New Orleans, right off the Gulf, of course. Others who have seen them, both in New Orleans and around Sarasota, Florida, claim that what they're seeing actually look like reptilians.' [end of quote from my friend]

a few years ago i was a moderator on Michael Salla's prepare4contact forum -- i left the forum after sending an Open Letter to Dr Salla to him & all my ET/UFO-interested contacts, in which i stated my conclusion, in essence that the Exopoliticians were in league w/the greys & reptilians -- for some reason i was recently added to an exopolitical mailing list [i did not request this] & recently i received this article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2010m6d11-Will-the-BP-oil-spill-accelerate-disclosure-of-teleportation-antigravity-and-ETUFO-presence

& here's the clip that really concerns me:

'One researcher has taken the view that a grey and reptilian-based extraterrestrial hyper-dimensional alliance is concerned about humanity because of our propensity to environmental degradation. The researcher highlights an environmental catastrophe as the trigger for open relations between humanity and the greys and grey-human hybrids. He states, “If these accounts of salvation are true, then the aliens' message is clear: After the catastrophe, whatever it is, takes place, the late-stage hybrids and perhaps the aliens themselves will engage in a general integration into human society. As one hybrid told [contactee] Claudia Negron, ‘Soon all life will be changed. People will be different.’ Presumably, we will all live in peace and harmony. The environment will be healthy and there will be no more war or conflict.” '

i read this as: 'the NWO is going to continue to create catastrophes like the recent Gulf oil attack all over the planet until all the humans are completely traumatized, & then the hybrids [& super soldiers] will arrive in force & take over'

my intent w/this post is not a 'j'accuse' to the exopoliticians --it's a free will universe, & if they like to hang out w/greys & reptilians, that's their right -- it's for those of us who DON'T want to become 'integrated' w/them [already starting w/that hideous new Morgellon's disease, imo] that i'm writing

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[Bill Ryan]

Greetings All -- this is my first post after the required response to Gareth's -- i hope you are not all going to tell me i am being negative, but i am very concerned re what i am going to write here & feel i have to write this

my fellow abductee friend recently sent me this:
' I just got through reading one of Whitley Streiber's 'recent' books, 2012: The War for Souls. It's basically about how the reptilians try to steal our souls from their other dimensional planet earth on December 21, 2012. The interesting thing about this story is that Streiber wrote this book back in 2006, I believe, and he talks about how the reptilians can't breathe oxygen well, which requires them to utilize a concoction of gases that contain methane and hydrogen sulfide -- two of the primary chemicals being released by the dispersants that are being used by BP to dilute the oil.

'Streiber also talks about them using gateways in, for instance, the Gulf of Mexico, to enter this dimension. Remember the interview with Aaron McCollum, one of the super soldiers, on Project Camelot where he talks about the stargate at the Gulf of Aden? Also, a guy named Ken Klein, who's been on Coast to Coast am several times, has claimed to have 'seen' what he calls 'demons' in New Orleans, right off the Gulf, of course. Others who have seen them, both in New Orleans and around Sarasota, Florida, claim that what they're seeing actually look like reptilians.' [end of quote from my friend]

a few years ago i was a moderator on Michael Salla's prepare4contact forum -- i left the forum after sending an Open Letter to Dr Salla to him & all my ET/UFO-interested contacts, in which i stated my conclusion, in essence that the Exopoliticians were in league w/the greys & reptilians -- for some reason i was recently added to an exopolitical mailing list [i did not request this] & recently i received this article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2010m6d11-Will-the-BP-oil-spill-accelerate-disclosure-of-teleportation-antigravity-and-ETUFO-presence

& here's the clip that really concerns me:

'One researcher has taken the view that a grey and reptilian-based extraterrestrial hyper-dimensional alliance is concerned about humanity because of our propensity to environmental degradation. The researcher highlights an environmental catastrophe as the trigger for open relations between humanity and the greys and grey-human hybrids. He states, “If these accounts of salvation are true, then the aliens' message is clear: After the catastrophe, whatever it is, takes place, the late-stage hybrids and perhaps the aliens themselves will engage in a general integration into human society. As one hybrid told [contactee] Claudia Negron, ‘Soon all life will be changed. People will be different.’ Presumably, we will all live in peace and harmony. The environment will be healthy and there will be no more war or conflict.” '

i read this as: 'the NWO is going to continue to create catastrophes like the recent Gulf oil attack all over the planet until all the humans are completely traumatized, & then the hybrids [& super soldiers] will arrive in force & take over'

my intent w/this post is not a 'j'accuse' to the exopoliticians --it's a free will universe, & if they like to hang out w/greys & reptilians, that's their right -- it's for those of us who DON'T want to become 'integrated' w/them [already starting w/that hideous new Morgellon's disease, imo] that i'm writing

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Welcome to the forum. You've only been here a few hours, and I hope you don't intend to continue this way!

Several points here to note - just to add clarity.

1) Streiber's book 2012: The War for Souls (http://www.amazon.com/2012-War-Souls-Whitley-Strieber/dp/0765318962) was a work of fiction.

2) There's no evidence whatsoever for the reality of any 'stargate over the Gulf of Aden". The much-publicized aerial photo shows a dust storm, first published on the Earth Snapshot website on 4 March 2009.

http://www.eosnap.com/?tag=gulf-of-aden&paged=2

http://projectavalon.net/20090304-dust-thumb.jpg

3) Who are 'the exopoliticians'? Am I one of them? Michael Salla? Alfred Webre? Paula Harris? Rob Fleischer? Victor Viggiani? David Griffin? John Kuhles? Ed Komarek? Steve Bassett? Bruno Massa? Fred Uldall? [There are many more...]

All of the above? How are they defined?

4) Alfed Webre and Michael Salla are not part of the same organization (exopolitics.org (http://exopolitics.org) and exopolitics.com (http://exopolitics.com) are different sites).

5) You're using an article written by one of the 'exopoliticians' to support your thesis.

6) The researcher cited by Webre was David Jacobs.

7) You wrote:

my intent w/this post is not a 'j'accuse' to the exopoliticians
... although that's exactly what you did.

and

if they like to hang out w/greys & reptilians, that's their right
...and then signed off:


Peace and Freedom.
But your remark didn't seem very peaceful. Sure looked like 'j'accuse' to me, but with no charges and no evidence.

Some of these guys - depending on how you're defining them, but you never said, which makes it hard for anyone to respond to your point - are good people. I know some of them personally. So it'd be helpful if you could be clearer.

It IS entirely likely that some people in the alternative research community are in league with the reptilians. In fact, I'm personally sure of it. But your post contained an unhelpful generality. That's my point. Please be clear and tell us who you're accusing and why.

8) This is a questions and answers thread about the GOM situation... I know you joined the forum literally hours ago, and probably don't know your way around at all, but you may want to move this post elsewhere, or maybe start your own thread. If you do, please ask one of the mods for assistance by sending them a PM.

[kinsuemei2]

As a central Floridian I can say that on the news here there have been no talks of evacuation, nor are they seemingly concerned with Alex, lets not forget that Katrina and Wilma picked up all the sediment in Louisiana from 60 years of toxic dumping from hundreds of thousands of dump sites and spread it all over, and now you have contaminated water supplies, so the hurricanes that conveniently are showing up in the tropics are going to really do some damage look at the timing, and time of year this oils spill started its has been toyed with in the efforts to stop the oil for maximum effect, whilst a very few real applications have been looked at companies are paying people VAST sums of money to go to places like panama and help with the clean up.

But do I think the ocean bed will collapse? I don't know hoaglands info is interesting but ultimately a educated guess, but still and educated one, and this would affect me directly if this happened, indeed much of the world, but is it another tolpa that we need not direct thought in the direction of to manifest? I am saying that whilst the power of thinking positive can stop and event and yes whilst putting things out there also stops events, like Irans deal looks like its been delayed another few years now, that the landing you spoke of a year ago at stadium might also have been delayed or changed due it's active though reinforcement... if that's word lol, but lets say that the sea bed was going to collapse that's dam awful thing to be thinking of at night in bed and whilst I can get on with this and not worry some people out there have ulcers and are putting themselves in early graves by worrying about this stuff.

Bill let me ask you if you were in my geographical location or Kindras being on the other side of the coast what would you given the information at hand?

[wynderer]

Yikes! Sorry, Bill -- i didn't realize that you were the answer-giver on this thread -- you can move or delete both this post & the former -- i was trying to alert people re the danger of the hybrids -- re exopoliticians, i am familiar w/the writings/work of 5 whom you named, & of others -- & i stand by what i said -- but it's not that important to me

here ends my short membership on PA2

wynderer

[Bill Ryan]

Yikes! Sorry, Bill -- i didn't realize that you were the answer-giver on this thread -- you can move or delete both this post & the former -- i was trying to alert people re the danger of the hybrids -- re exopoliticians, i am familiar w/the writings/work of 5 whom you named, & of others -- & i stand by what i said -- but it's not that important to me

here ends my short membership on PA2

wynderer

I certainly WOULD recommend David Jacobs' excellent (and very alarming) book THE THREAT. (http://www.amazon.com/THREAT-Revealing-Secret-Alien-Agenda/dp/0684848139)

My point was that you had slandered an entire community (the 'exopoliticians', whomever you mean, and you've STILL not said) with a broad-brush accusation - which (I'll say it here) is ridiculous.

It's an irresponsible and offensive smear to make VAGUE INNUENDOS about a whole group of people. This was my point.

I've been victim of unintelligent and poorly-researched smears myself, which is why I have zero tolerance for this - unless you happen to be correct and can show it.

But if you have SPECIFIC information, please PM me and I'll be happy to read about and learn anything I don't know. Meanwhile, to badmouth people with a generalized 'j'accuse' is not helpful... and people will have gained little from what you wrote except from leaving a slightly bad taste in their mouths.

It's not a matter of being negative - it's a matter of being rigorous and intellectually honest. You can say anything you like here, as long as (1) you back it up with evidence and (2) say it nicely. :)

The idea you described of terraforming Earth for alien purposes (which was the gist of your theme) was interesting and worth discussing. But you didn't need to mix that up with the rest of your post, which contained personal unsubstantiated opinions about individuals.

With best wishes, Bill

[pyrangello]

Being Part of Team Avalon here is a process, watch, learn, evaluate, debunk, and re-evaluate, then post crawl, post walk and post run if you wish . Respect all posts and learn to agree to disagree. Lots of talent here, many caring individuals here, and together a hell of a force of knowledge and teaching tools as we feed off one another.

I believe we need to continue the pressure on the public officials, the oil entities and continue the quest to get the word out that we have alternatives in energy and yes we can clean this up with our technology as it is time for government ways to get out of the way and let innovative ideas , people, and private companies , and offering countries to go full throttle. Incompetance is not even an option anymore. It is time for the positives to come forward .

[kinsuemei2]

well my question goes out to anybody...anybody at all

[Bill Ryan]

Bill let me ask you if you were in my geographical location or Kindras being on the other side of the coast what would you do given the information at hand?

I'm not you. Each person's situation is different. Having a family, children, house and job puts one in a very distinct situation to that of someone who is on their own, renting an apartment, and is fully mobile.

I often get asked by people where to go, what to do, etc. My answer is always that each person's best decision will be uniquely their own. In identical circumstances, one person's optimum plan might be to leave the country - because they have a job to do (or people to meet) elsewhere. Meanwhile, another person who lives right next door to them might have as their purpose to stay and help... and so on.

Based on what I feel I know, I don't think anyone in Florida is in imminent physical danger. I'm not convinced at the moment of the increasingly-hyped sea-floor-collapse / tsunami / asphalt-volcano scenarios.

But the environment is getting more and more toxic, and this may be the greatest threat. If (for instance) you wake up one morning with your body telling you to move because it's getting sick, then it might be smart to listen to it and act... if you are able to.

[Thunderbird]

I'm not you. Each person's situation is different. Having a family, children, house and job puts one in a very distinct situation to that of someone who is on their own, renting an apartment, and is fully mobile.

I often get asked by people where to go, what to do, etc. My answer is always that each person's best decision will be uniquely their own. In identical circumstances, one person's optimum plan might be to leave the country - because they have a job to do (or people to meet) elsewhere. Meanwhile, another person who lives right next door to them might have as their purpose to stay and help... and so on.

Based on what I feel I know, I don't think anyone in Florida is in imminent physical danger. I'm not convinced at the moment of the increasingly-hyped sea-floor-collapse / tsunami / asphalt-volcano scenarios.

But the environment is getting more and more toxic, and this may be the greatest threat. If (for instance) you wake up one morning with your body telling you to move because it's getting sick, then it might be smart to listen to it and act... if you are able to.


WORD.

I am a big ole ditto on that.

more than 9000

[Ba-ba-Ra]

well my question goes out to anybody...anybody at all

I understand your concern and agree with Bill. Your answer must come from within you. That being said, I'd like to make some suggestions to someone who might be feeling unsure of which path to take. First and foremost, stay out of fear. Secondly, try to connect as often as possible to your spirit. Then pay attention ~ to the plants around you, are they beginning to show signs of stress ~ to the animals around you, cats, dogs, birds, are they acting in unusual ways ~ to the air quality, is it more difficult to breath or are there strange smells. And watch for signs. I have found that the Universe provides signs, but often we overlook them because we are not staying in the NOW. We spent too much time in the past or future, so try to keep your focus on the present. Also ask the Universe, God, your angels, your spirit guides, your ancestors, etc., whoever it is you personally believe and connect to. And it doesn't hurt to have an exit plan, just in case you should suddenly need it.

Good luck to you, Ba-ba-Ra

[kinsuemei2]

Thankyou for your responses

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

It seems like rumour is the dish of the day, and it smells er..... fishy if you excuse the term.

It appears that Exxon Mobil is going to takeover BP, or at least the finacial market thinks so because in spite of the woes and added difficulties of hurricanes etc. the stock price of BP rose by over 5% today. That is great performance for any company on a given day, but with all the negativity surrounding BP it's unatural.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/bpdot/7864500/BP-shares-soar-on-takeover-talk-as-Gulf-storm-hovers.html

Of course the takover would mean that Exxonn Mobil will not be responsible for the damages the Gulf disaster caused before the actual takover. See what I mean about smelling fishy?

On the other hand it could be just a rumour and the stock could tumble tommorrow....

Best regards,

Steve

[Operator]

Hi Everyone,

It seems like rumour is the dish of the day, and it smells er..... fishy if you excuse the term.

It appears that Exxon Mobil is going to takeover BP, or at least the finacial market thinks so because in spite of the woes and added difficulties of hurricanes etc. the stock price of BP rose by over 5% today. That is great performance for any company on a given day, but with all the negativity surrounding BP it's unatural.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/bpdot/7864500/BP-shares-soar-on-takeover-talk-as-Gulf-storm-hovers.html

Of course the takover would mean that Exxonn Mobil will not be responsible for the damages the Gulf disaster caused before the actual takover. See what I mean about smelling fishy?

On the other hand it could be just a rumour and the stock could tumble tommorrow....

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I do not have much insight in the financial markets ... but my attention was drawn to this today: Vooral Shell drukt AEX-index omlaag (http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/stemming/damrak/7085101/__Vooral_Shell_drukt_AEX-index_omlaag__.html)
It is a dutch article in a financial section of a newspaper ... basically it states that the Amsterdam Stock Exchange was negative mainly because of Shell ...

Have you any idea how this might fit in ... ?

Cheers, Op.

[steve_a]

Hi Operator,

I translated the article at the part where it mentions about BP and the rumour that SHELL will take over the more riskier parts of BP. So as Shell is a Dutch company and there are risks to the takeover because of the problems, this could have dragged the market down.

What I found interesting and this is probably confirming a smelly tale is that the article says that SHELL could takeover BP and the article I read from the British newspaper said the rumours were about Exxonn Mobil taking over BP. What does this mean? It simply means that someone is taking a lot of time out to spread rumours! But why?

I trust you understand what shorting is on the stock market. Shorting is when you borrow stocks, sell them, hope they will devalue in price, buy them back to give to the person who loaned them to you in the first place and you get to pocket the difference between what you sold those stocks for and what you payed for the stocks to get them back.

I think these rumours are by shorters. Borrow Shell stocks, create a rumour that Shell will buy BP and when the stocks fall because the investors are thinking that Shell must be stupid and sell them off, the shorter will buy them back and make a profit.

So why create the rumour about Exxonn? To falsely add value to the BP stock because everybody will think that Exxonn will buy out BP and borrow the stocks at the end of the trade day (today they rose 5% don't forget because of the rumour) and sell them at their height. Tomorrow the hype bubble will probably be burst by Exxonn declaring that there is no truth about the rumour and so the stocks will fall way back down again. So the shorter will buy the stocks back and pocket the difference.

These rumours seem too fishy and it could very well be that someone could be up to no good on Wall Street, or they are opening a fish market at the side of the financial market!

Best regards,

Steve

[Operator]

Tnx, Steve.

It's good to have so much people with different expertise around. Together we're so much stronger ... in the end that will make the difference.

Cheers, Op.

[3(C)+me]

As SHR said on the interview (good one bill) if you can smell the oil from where you are then it is affecting your health. I just got a 3 month supply of food just in case and I live in california. I would image that it will always be much worse then the press is going to let on. This will in the end effect everyone of us on the planet. If I had to leave where i am I would either head out to the middle of canada or go to Australia but really is any place safe anymore?. Just intent to be safe and tell yourself you are protected at all times no matter what happens.

[bluestflame]

in the absence of clear external answers , find your stillness , ask your question there

[steve_a]

Hi Everyone,

Just to conclude on my 'fishy tale' yesterday and the apparent rumour of someone wanting to buy out BP, as I explained in a previous post these rumours many times are put out to coerce movement in stock prices. Yesterday when the rumour hit out the BP stock rose around 5%. Today it fell 1.8%. Anybody who shorted the stock at its' height and sold it today made 1.8%, which is better than any bank interest I know for 24 hours!
Another involved in this ruse was Shell in the Netherlands which, once the rumour was spread that they would buy out parts of troubled BP their shares declined, which is more money for the shorters.
Another article which I found interesting was involving Total today where the CEO of that company was asked to confirm their buying up of parts of BP. That is intersting as it appears thay also may have been caught up in these rumours: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/total-ceo-says-not-mulling-bp-deal-afp-25d2e2116ca9.html;_ylt=AmmnjmBXW_bpBc0A17jPexnKk7J_;_ylu=X3oDMTE2cmpuZ242BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN0b3Atc3Rvcml lcwRzbGsDdG90YWxjZW9zYXlz?x=0

So who started these rumours in the first place?

The answers my friends will probably not suprise you, the following taken from Yahoo! yesterday: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/london-afternoon-bp-rises-again-digilook-01c87f12e2db.html

"BP is close to emulating the 5% rise it achieved yesterday. The shares have been on a roll ever since JPMorgan Cazenove indulged in what it called "fantasy M&A" and said that the UK oil giant would make a good addition to the Exxon Mobil (NYSE: XOM - news) empire. Sector peer Royal Dutch Shell (Amsterdam: RDSA.AS - news) goes the other way, falling in line with oil prices."

It seems that the markets are so desperate, they are taking 'fantasy' moves as the real deal.

Best regards,

Steve

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Everyone,


......"BP is close to emulating the 5% rise it achieved yesterday. The shares have been on a roll ever since JPMorgan Cazenove indulged in what it called "fantasy M&A" and said that the UK oil giant would make a good addition to the Exxon Mobil (NYSE: XOM - news) empire. Sector peer Royal Dutch Shell (Amsterdam: RDSA.AS - news) goes the other way, falling in line with oil prices."

It seems that the markets are so desperate, they are taking 'fantasy' moves as the real deal.

Best regards,

Steve

Thanks Steve for all your great detective work and sharing of your knowledge of the stock market. It is greatly valued and beams more light on this subject.

Keep digging, sharing and being curious, Ba-ba-Ra

[shiva777]

Gulf oil leak could be capped by Monday: officialAFP
July 10, 2010, 6:35 am
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NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AFP) - Efforts to place a new containment cap over the gushing Gulf of Mexico oil well could effectively stop the disastrous spill as early as Monday, a US official said Friday.

Admiral Thad Allen, who oversees the government's spill response, said on day 81 of the disaster that an operation to swap in the new cap could begin Saturday and the entire process would take "about three to four days."

If successful, the new cap could capture all of the crude spilling into the Gulf and allow it to siphoned up to container vessels on the surface, in effect halting the devastating spill of crude into the sea that has imperiled fragile coastlines and wildlife across the Gulf Coast.

The days-long process of switching containment devices, however, could see the amount of oil spilling into the ocean temporarily increase by up to 15,000 barrels.

"There would be a multi-day period there when we're putting the containment cap on where there would be some exposure of hydrocarbons going into the environment," said Allen.

The operation is the latest attempt to contain the spill that was sparked by the April 20 explosion aboard the BP-leased Deepwater Horizon oil rig.

Current government estimates of the spill range from between 35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day, based on interpretation of a live video feed of the leak.

The new cap along with a connection to another processing ship -- the Helix Producer -- underway on Friday could boost the amount of captured oil by more than three-fold to 60,000 to 80,000 barrels a day, according to Allen.

Getting the Helix online may "mitigate the gap" in switching containment caps, so that the full amount of crude does not spill into the sea, he added.

The White House has pushed for the new containment device because its superior seal is expected to capture the entire leak and is better equipped to deal with a hurricane threat in the storm-prone Gulf.

Crews have already seen clean-up and containment operations hampered by bad weather associated with Hurricane Alex, and with an active storm season predicted, officials are developing contingencies for future dramatic weather disturbances.

The new system will use "quick-disconnect couplings" allowing container ships to shut down operations and exit the area quickly in the face of a hurricane, Allen said.

An estimated two to four million barrels of oil have gushed into the Gulf waters since the spill began, and a permanent solution is not expected until one of two relief wells is completed.

The first is scheduled to be finished in mid-August, and while drilling is ahead of schedule, officials have cautioned that the final part of the process is the slowest and most difficult.

Allen said he expected the new containment cap would help shut down the leak via a relief well and could also allow officials to get an accurate measure of just how bad the leak is.

"Once the cap is on and we've completely sealed the wellhead, we will have internal pressure data that will actually tell us for the first time what the flow is," he said.

Oil has now washed up on beaches in all five Gulf states -- Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida -- forcing the closure of fishing grounds and threatening scores of coastal communities with financial ruin.

The spill prompted President Barack Obama's administration to order a moratorium on deepwater drilling, but the freeze was overturned by a federal court last month and an appeals court upheld that ruling on Thursday.

The motion was denied because the government failed to show "a likelihood of irreparable injury if the stay is not granted," the appeals panel judges wrote in a 2-1 ruling.

The government also "made no showing that there is any likelihood that drilling activities will be resumed pending appeal."

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has said he will soon issue a new order to block deepwater drilling regardless of how the court ruled and oil companies have not resumed drilling due to the legal uncertainties.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, who had warned the freeze could cost his state 20,000 jobs, hailed the court's decision.

"We absolutely want drilling to be done safely and do not want another spill or one more drop of oil on our coast or in our water, but thousands of Louisianians should not have to lose their jobs because the federal government can't adequately do its job of ensuring drilling is done safely," he said.

[Lefty Dave]

I've read two news pieces today that got my attention....one about tar balls washing up near Daytona Beach,,,east coast...and another announcing Canadian Troops are being sent to patrol the Gulf coast...(approved in FEBRUARY !!!) how did they know???? Anyway, it's getting curiouser and curiouser !! Blessings all...

[steve_a]

Hi Lefty Dave,

The Canadian troops seems interesting. Do you have a link to the source of your information please?

Best regards,

Steve

OBS: Found it. Before it's news... : http://beforeitsnews.com/story/95/332/2400_Canadian_Soldiers_deployed_to_Gulf_Coast.html

[Ba-ba-Ra]

hmm, curious about Canadian troops. Here's another curious item that may or may not be related. Report of 7/6 on www.military.com - Costa Rica granted U.S. right to bring in 7,000 troops, 5 planes and 46 warships to stem flow of drugs northward. 46 warships??..... while Costa Rica is not in the Gulf of Mexico it is on the Caribbean .. and since Chavez of Venezuela offered to help Cuba with clean up if the oil reaches it's shores - could these ships be to deter their help, or am I just adding 2 + 2 and getting 6?

The mind doth do strange things! Ba-ba-Ra

[sygh]

In light of the Gulf oil spill, cleaning up the Gulf doesn't look so promising, as the UN calls to ditch the dollar in lieu of a new world currency. Not getting much news on whats actually happening in the Gulf. Don't know how something this serious can be downplayed by mainstream media to this extent ~ and gotten away with. However, this is what Gerald Celente has to say about both the above mentioned catastrophies.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCBpiEd08Pk&feature=channel

I'm no lover of war but I have to admit, it gave me a feeling of distinct pleasure when Celente mentioned it cost a cool Billion to protect the G-20 in Toronto, Canada.

Anyway, Celente goes on to say that the Gulf is fissured, something I think we all are waiting to hear some sort of clear conformation on, one way or another. He doesn't seem to mince words about it though.

I would certainly like to know who his source was or, to hear from yet another source, or, more sources other than just Lindsey, that will serve to back the other two up or, discredit them. I sure don't want to go against Lindsey's findings but then, I don't really want them to be true either.

[LeeEllisMusic]

Anyway, Celente goes on to say that the Gulf is fissured, something I think we all are waiting to hear some sort of clear conformation on, one way or another.

Here is some older info on the ruptured seabed, FYI

Senator Bill Nelson (D-Florida) interview with Andrea Mitchell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bj_kco8qTQ
(it gets REALLY interesting at 2:30 into the clip) "We’re looking into something new right now: that there’s reports of oil seeping up from the seabed - which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced underneath the seabed. If so, the problems we're facing could be just enormous"

Dylan Ratigan/ MSNBC reports on seabed damage and plumes coming from OTHER THAN the BP well hole ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGAoU1H2gM

[vikinga]

Hi , I am living in Costa Rica and am trying to figure out what is going on as well.. Most people here are unaware of all of this but those who are, pretty much think that the US is getting ready to pounce on Venezuela.
Here is an article in english
http://www.welovecostarica.com/public/46_US_Warships_Plus_7000_US_Marines_On_Route_To_Costa_Rica.cfm
And another one claiming Nato has sent these troops because of fears about a catastrophic quake happening along the North American and Caribean plates as a result of the oil gusher:
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/07/nato-orders-7000-us-marines-to-costa-rica-as-gulf-oil-disaster-quake-fears-grow/
This article has been reposted many times over but I cannot find any other source for the same information and so it smells a bit like a hoax. On the other hand, with the media black out that has been happening, it is hard to know what to believe.Is there anyone who can shed some light on this for me?

[nomadguy]

Question: This came up yesterday, a well connected researcher has brought up a question as they ran into a snag in this whole story.

"Can anyone PROVE to me that they are spraying Corexit 9500 in the GULF??? Can you PROVE to me at it is 435 ppm (highly toxic) poison. ?"

I was told today that they had No actual proof to date.
Anyone have anything on this?

[nomadguy]

The Tonka Report
Real News In A Changing World
Censored Gulf Alert: Louisiana Communities Are “Vomiting Blood”
(http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/censored-gulf-alert-louisiana-communities-are-vomiting-blood/)
I so hope this is not true...

[Operator]

I so hope this is not true...

This and your previous post in this thread raise good questions ... "Vomiting blood" sounds serious and one would expect that YouTube would be plastered
with videos because it would be much easier to 'prove' then the spraying of corexit or anything else BP did in the Gulf. And if true lots of attention should be
drawn to it ... and yet nothing popped up. Where is James Fox now with his camera ?

I am not saying it is not true (one can only hope it is not true) but so far there has been lots of dramatic and sensational news that we are 'expected'
to believe while 'hard' convincing evidence seems to be missing. We have to be very careful not to be abused by 'exaggerated' news.

Again ... even in the case of one person this would be serious enough but raise your guards if words like 'Communities' are used while material or
events that should go along with it seems to be missing.

[pinkfrost]

not sure where to put this, but i think it speaks volumes that they want to give money back to the source (bp). there are a lot of families that lost a lot of money, and they should get something for this mess.

US to oil spill claims czar: loosen purse strings
By HARRY R. WEBER - Associated Press


ATLANTA -- The Justice Department is telling the administrator of the $20 billion fund for Gulf oil spill victims that his job is not to preserve money or return it to BP, and is insisting he loosen the purse strings to help people who are still suffering from last year's disaster.

In a letter Friday to Kenneth Feinberg that was obtained by The Associated Press, Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perrelli alluded to the fact that only roughly $3.5 billion of the $20 billion fund has been spent. Any money not spent goes back to BP.

Perrelli also says that Feinberg needs to be more transparent, and he should take a second look at the emergency advance payments the fund paid to victims to determine if the process was fair.