The classic question....So, where does the law of attraction fit into all of this??

[bonnyhut]

Many “new agers” and “hippys” have fluttered their rainbow eyelids at me over the years saying “don’t focus on the negative” when I talked about the N.W.O and related conspiracy topics. I have noticed now, several years later, they are the first to freak out for they have no Idea now how to process what is going on or how to comprehend the big lie as it becomes more and more prevalent.

Acknowledgment does not endorse or create. I do, however feel that a BALANCE is required between knowing about what is happening on planet earth and understanding the law of attraction.

I think David Icke hit the nail on the head when he said “we need to understand how we have been manipulated to create this reality for ourselves that suits an external malevolent agenda so we can rather create a reality for ourselves that we would prefer.”

Where do YOU think the law of attraction fits into all this?


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[firstlook]

I would say opposites attract and balance is the result of existence. Meaning, even the new agers need someone to walk up to and say, "dont be negative". What most of them dont reflect is that this is just a unbalanced request to counter what they perceive as the opposite of whatever context they adhere to.

Its all about creating. We attract things in order to build and create and continue. The speed at which we change, or "create", is usually where that inner peace comes from. Hold that ability to continually change, adapt, and create, is what we all want to master. Because then we dont fear outside influence if it doesn't want to sync with your flow or whatever term you would like to describe it as. The Law of Attraction really is IMHO just a skill in changing your outlook so quickly and effortlessly that it just "seems" like everything works out.

Deep Down we all want to Love each other. Its our own ability to adapt quickly and without fear that causes any sort of separation. In truth, everything is as it should be. Circles within circles. The Hunt is sweeter then the Kill. The Idea of perfection is better then perfection itself. All that type of junk. :p :)

[mab777]

hi bonnyhut... great question ... I think and feel the same.


Many “new agers” and “hippys” have fluttered their rainbow eyelids at me over the years saying “don’t focus on the negative” when I talked about the N.W.O and related conspiracy topics. I have noticed now, several years later, they are the first to freak out for they have no Idea now how to process what is going on or how to comprehend the big lie as it becomes more and more prevalent.

Acknowledgment does not endorse or create. I do, however feel that a BALANCE is required between knowing about what is happening on planet earth and understanding the law of attraction.

I think David Icke hit the nail on the head when he said “we need to understand how we have been manipulated to create this reality for ourselves that suits an external malevolent agenda so we can rather create a reality for ourselves that we would prefer.”

Where do YOU think the law of attraction fits into all this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTb6mKAwftA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL92B81630A550F599



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkuqDABTMo&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL5DB68F5FA67CD533



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfTjlfLGBv0&feature=related

[Lord Sidious]

Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
Remember that one?

[Morgaine]

I totally understand where you're coming from with this Bonny. Indeed one must make an effort to focus on more "positive" things in life, if anything just to maintain a high energy vibration within. But also if maintaining a positive oulook has an effect in attracting good things to us then it's an added bonus.
I admit I seriously got into the Law of Attraction when it first became publicly famous if you like, through The Secret, and it even worked for me a few times miraculously for things like money and other more personal life changes. However once I started to analyse the reality of this concept, I simply could not commit my loyalty to something that was basically flawed given the fact that many people on this earth do not have this luxury of choice. Those people in under-developed countries, war torn countries, people with debilitating diseases or just those who have never had a chance to stand up and find what should be rightfully theirs. I found myself asking "How is the supposed Law of Attraction working for them?"
It's not, because they have no choices.
The choice we all have at the end of the day is how we respond to our individual circumstances. What else but the self can those poor people in awful situations have? Thinking positively about freedom or wealth is not enough. They only have what is within them, their soul.
Our internal voice must be the one that guides us through. I have learnt that in this life there are people that you simply cannot get through to, because they are shut down, they've either shut down their quest for meaning or their souls are simply not evolved enough to recognise the quest in the first place. You can't train a Soul that is pure, just like you can't train a Soul that is immature, perhaps it is the natural way of things IMHO.
Do you believe that some people's Souls just have a natural consciousness? When people try to force me to "train my soul" into empathy and love, and in the case of the LOA to think positively, I end up feeling condescended to and uncomfortable. It doesn't feel right to me because as a good friend helped me to understand, "you have no perceived need to do this...it's because your soul has natural consciousness
I hope I am making sense here! I think it is time for us to accept that not all of our race have the tools required for ascension or enlightenment, however you like to call it. Clearly we all wouldn't be here in Avalon asking these questions if we didn't have a natural questioning or sense of purpose. That's a good sign I believe.
I take moments of synchronicity and other events as good signs that I am on the right path to ascension, whatever that may be for me.
Now is the time as you say to correlate all the information, to focus on learning as much as we can about what his happening right now to our Earth, and to take the hands of those who are willing to learn alongside us. I feel lucky to be able to perceive the need to do this in the first place, and lucky to be able to receive and filter all the information that is being made available to me right now.

Thanks Bonny, great post!

Morgaine.

[TargeT]

Trinity is reality.. two oposing yet attracted forces spiraling around a third neutral force...

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we CANNOT EXSIST with out this, and... "as below so above" or "as above so below" (pick your fav.) this will be prevalent through out "reality"..

This is true for 3d, as for the rest... well.. maybe 3d is just a trainin ground, the "laws" of attraction are really based on a poorly understood universe, this seems to be changing, though like anything I don't expect this change to be gradual, it will follow the magnetic reality that we live into and SNAP into place.

Focus on the positive all you like, with out the negative it wouldn't exsist.

[greybeard]

The law of attraction and manifestation has to do with personal vibration/frequency call it what you will.
The more advanced soul can manifest rapidly virtually anything that comes to mind--- the strange thing / the paradox is that the enlightened master does not have any wants needs or desires, so though perfectly capable of manifesting it does not occur to them to do so.

According to the frequency of the person they can attract anything from the field concordant with their personal energy.
The higher the frequency the bigger the selection available.

A less evolved soul attracts according to that frequency.
They may be less loving so they attract less love.
If downright violent they attract that back.

Dr David Hawkins in Power vs Force explains, via a map of consciousness, fully the various energies and attractor fields.

Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.

Link below.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

[the trojan]

Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
Remember that one?

that is a definite,its all in the detail.

[TargeT]

According to the frequency of the person they can attract anything from the field concordant with their personal energy.
The higher the frequency the bigger the selection available.

A less evolved soul attracts according to that frequency.
They may be less loving so they attract less love.
If downright violent they attract that back.

Dr David Hawkins in Power vs Force explains, via a map of consciousness, fully the various energies and attractor fields.

Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.

Link below.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

Hmm, so I attract emotionally (or other) damaged women because I am damaged?

maybe its time for regressive therapy, I don't remember anything from my past that should warrant these sorrowful tales to surround me constantly (I figured it was just a sign of how crappy this world is to the fair sex)

[Lord Sidious]

According to the frequency of the person they can attract anything from the field concordant with their personal energy.
The higher the frequency the bigger the selection available.

A less evolved soul attracts according to that frequency.
They may be less loving so they attract less love.
If downright violent they attract that back.

Dr David Hawkins in Power vs Force explains, via a map of consciousness, fully the various energies and attractor fields.

Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.

Link below.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

Hmm, so I attract emotionally (or other) damaged women because I am damaged?

maybe its time for regressive therapy, I don't remember anything from my past that should warrant these sorrowful tales to surround me constantly (I figured it was just a sign of how crappy this world is to the fair sex)

You are attracting women like that because you need to.
However, there is the possibility that they are attracting you, this isn't always about us.
Sometimes, we are simply the tool the universe uses for the other to get their lesson.

[Healthy Skeptic]

David Icke hit the nail on the head when he said “we need to understand how we have been manipulated to create this reality for ourselves that suits an external malevolent agenda so we can rather create a reality for ourselves that we would prefer.”

He also said, about people who refuse to accept the negative aspects of the world,
(and I paraphrase this), "You can bury your head in the sand but, your bum is still sticking in the air, waiting to get kicked or sand-blasted'.

[sshenry]

Focusing on the negative is hell and gone from being AWARE of the negative.

It's sort of like driving on a two-lane country road. At night. In the rain.

Here come the cars; around the corner; around the curve; headlights glaring against the slick pavement. You'd sure as hell better be AWARE of those approaching headlights, but heaven help you if you stare at them for too long.

You know what happens if you stare at them for too long, right? If you focus on the headlights? You end up vearing into oncoming traffic and becoming a statistic on the local news and traffic report.

No, be aware of the approaching headlights (and of the vehicle that is following along behind them) but don't dwell on them. Look to the side; to the white line that keeps you on the road and out of the treel line. Looking at the lights; focusing on them just makes things worse; including the odds that you will get where you are headed.

And don't forget to buckle up :)

[bonnyhut]

I totally understand where you're coming from with this Bonny. Indeed one must make an effort to focus on more "positive" things in life, if anything just to maintain a high energy vibration within. But also if maintaining a positive oulook has an effect in attracting good things to us then it's an added bonus.
I admit I seriously got into the Law of Attraction when it first became publicly famous if you like, through The Secret, and it even worked for me a few times miraculously for things like money and other more personal life changes. However once I started to analyse the reality of this concept, I simply could not commit my loyalty to something that was basically flawed given the fact that many people on this earth do not have this luxury of choice. Those people in under-developed countries, war torn countries, people with debilitating diseases or just those who have never had a chance to stand up and find what should be rightfully theirs. I found myself asking "How is the supposed Law of Attraction working for them?"
It's not, because they have no choices.
The choice we all have at the end of the day is how we respond to our individual circumstances. What else but the self can those poor people in awful situations have? Thinking positively about freedom or wealth is not enough. They only have what is within them, their soul.
Our internal voice must be the one that guides us through. I have learnt that in this life there are people that you simply cannot get through to, because they are shut down, they've either shut down their quest for meaning or their souls are simply not evolved enough to recognise the quest in the first place. You can't train a Soul that is pure, just like you can't train a Soul that is immature, perhaps it is the natural way of things IMHO.
Do you believe that some people's Souls just have a natural consciousness? When people try to force me to "train my soul" into empathy and love, and in the case of the LOA to think positively, I end up feeling condescended to and uncomfortable. It doesn't feel right to me because as a good friend helped me to understand, "you have no perceived need to do this...it's because your soul has natural consciousness
I hope I am making sense here! I think it is time for us to accept that not all of our race have the tools required for ascension or enlightenment, however you like to call it. Clearly we all wouldn't be here in Avalon asking these questions if we didn't have a natural questioning or sense of purpose. That's a good sign I believe.
I take moments of synchronicity and other events as good signs that I am on the right path to ascension, whatever that may be for me.
Now is the time as you say to correlate all the information, to focus on learning as much as we can about what his happening right now to our Earth, and to take the hands of those who are willing to learn alongside us. I feel lucky to be able to perceive the need to do this in the first place, and lucky to be able to receive and filter all the information that is being made available to me right now.

Thanks Bonny, great post!

Morgaine.



Thanks Morgaine for your post.

Understanding the universal law of attraction is not simple and straight forward but I think it is a good starting point for us to learn to regain sovereignty and get some power back into our own hands. I feel that that movie "The Secret" for example was flawed and was missing some very key elements in this regard and is not to be taken as a great example of how the law of attraction works.

How or why does a soul choose to incarnate within certain conditions in the first place?? The soul surely must be responsible for incarnating into a certain area of time, place and circumstances for starters?
I do not know all the answers but if we are victims and have no choices we might as well give up – all the power then lies in the hands of the perpetrators. Game over. If we can do a little more research as to how the laws in the universe work we can then reclaim some responsibility and have the power and motivation to create the change we desire. 



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[Heyoka_11]

G'day Bonnyhut. This is my first response to one of your threads, so a big welcome to Avalon to you.


How or why does a soul choose to incarnate within certain conditions in the first place??

How? With lots of loving assistance! Why? So that you may evolve, and assist others with their evolution as well.


The soul surely must be responsible for incarnating into a certain area of time, place and circumstances for starters?

I believe that the soul must agree to the time, place and circumstances, without actually being responsible for their choice.


I do not know all the answers but if we are victims and have no choices we might as well give up – all the power then lies in the hands of the perpetrators.

I do not believe that we are at any stage victimised. I am sure that at any stage, we can opt out if we choose to, or at least take a welcome break. Further, I believe that once on the "other side", and for the umpteenth time, are made aware of the "big picture" and our role in it, we would not hesitate in choosing to return to Earth school again. We are needed here, and especially now! This is an awkward concept for many to grasp, because we tend to make such a fuss over this life alone, either choosing to, or simply being unable to, tackle the idea that soul evolution is an eternal process.

There is a lot of "I believe" in all that, but we can never truly know whilst incarnate on Earth. However, I do intuit what I have written to be correct. I am also immensely grateful to the study of numerology for providing me with these insights.

Best Wishes,

Tony. :hippie:

[Swanette]

:dirol:
I totally understand where you're coming from with this Bonny. Indeed one must make an effort to focus on more "positive" things in life, if anything just to maintain a high energy vibration within. But also if maintaining a positive oulook has an effect in attracting good things to us then it's an added bonus.
I admit I seriously got into the Law of Attraction when it first became publicly famous if you like, through The Secret, and it even worked for me a few times miraculously for things like money and other more personal life changes. However once I started to analyse the reality of this concept, I simply could not commit my loyalty to something that was basically flawed given the fact that many people on this earth do not have this luxury of choice. Those people in under-developed countries, war torn countries, people with debilitating diseases or just those who have never had a chance to stand up and find what should be rightfully theirs. I found myself asking "How is the supposed Law of Attraction working for them?"
It's not, because they have no choices.
The choice we all have at the end of the day is how we respond to our individual circumstances. What else but the self can those poor people in awful situations have? Thinking positively about freedom or wealth is not enough. They only have what is within them, their soul.
Our internal voice must be the one that guides us through. I have learnt that in this life there are people that you simply cannot get through to, because they are shut down, they've either shut down their quest for meaning or their souls are simply not evolved enough to recognise the quest in the first place. You can't train a Soul that is pure, just like you can't train a Soul that is immature, perhaps it is the natural way of things IMHO.
Do you believe that some people's Souls just have a natural consciousness? When people try to force me to "train my soul" into empathy and love, and in the case of the LOA to think positively, I end up feeling condescended to and uncomfortable. It doesn't feel right to me because as a good friend helped me to understand, "you have no perceived need to do this...it's because your soul has natural consciousness
I hope I am making sense here! I think it is time for us to accept that not all of our race have the tools required for ascension or enlightenment, however you like to call it. Clearly we all wouldn't be here in Avalon asking these questions if we didn't have a natural questioning or sense of purpose. That's a good sign I believe.
I take moments of synchronicity and other events as good signs that I am on the right path to ascension, whatever that may be for me.
Now is the time as you say to correlate all the information, to focus on learning as much as we can about what his happening right now to our Earth, and to take the hands of those who are willing to learn alongside us. I feel lucky to be able to perceive the need to do this in the first place, and lucky to be able to receive and filter all the information that is being made available to me right now.

Thanks Bonny, great post!

Morgaine.

Thanks for the post B!
Great reply Morgain! I have the same feelings and thoughts about this subject. As a matter of fact I have been reading Abraham Hicks book for the past several weeks and had never before studied anything about the Law of Attraction. Even when 'the Secret' came out I had no interest in finding out about it. Based on what I have been learning about the LOA I have already been living it most of my life. Or at least my soul is unconsiously guiding me that way. :dance3: You have confirmed some of this...is it synchronicity or 'serendipity' or luck or LOA?

cheers,
Swannie

[Catsquotl]

However, there is the possibility that they are attracting you, this isn't always about us.
Sometimes, we are simply the tool the universe uses for the other to get their lesson.

Sometimes Yes,
But I have seen many people claiming to just be the tool when in fact.........
Seems there is a dark side to this nugget of truth..:ballchain:

with Love
Eelco

[bonnyhut]

Eelco, I do agree with you there. I have also met many "lightworkers" with huge hidden shadows. This entire world is filled with people claiming to be "the one with the great knowledge" and then their hidden dodgyness eventually starts to seep through. I do, however, think it can work both ways. Occasionally people crop up who are actually authentic and consistent. Discernment is the key I suppose.




However, there is the possibility that they are attracting you, this isn't always about us.
Sometimes, we are simply the tool the universe uses for the other to get their lesson.

Sometimes Yes,
But I have seen many people claiming to just be the tool when in fact.........
Seems there is a dark side to this nugget of truth..:ballchain:

with Love
Eelco

[Anchor]

Where do YOU think the law of attraction fits into all this?

It is a law. It just is.

Knowledge of it, gives anyone a slightly wider remit to their rules of engagement in the matrix.

This works for the baddies as well as the goodies.

The baddies exploit their knowledge of it; with fear and clever deceptions are used to entrain their "subjects" to doing the visualization necessary to meet their "involutionary" goals and objectives. They are not working with the evolutionary flow and need a force multiplier to compensate for this disadvantage.

Presumably, us being the goodies, free from fear, darkness and deception, well we don't need a force multiplier - we are sympathetic to the evolutionary energies and can work with them. For us, paradoxically less effort is required - because the things we will tend to want to do, will be compatible with the goals of the bigger game in which we dance.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

My teacher told me to place as much energy into noticing an alien invasion as I place into noticing that my carton of milk is almost empty. It's fine to notice. It is fine to acknowledge. But don't focus. Don't obsess. There are many places for us to put our energy. Some people want us to get sucked into their vortex and focus on it. And to be afraid.

Wage Peace

Wage peace with your breath.
Breathe in firemen and rubble,
breathe out whole buildings
and flocks of redwing blackbirds.

Breathe in terrorists and breathe out sleeping children
and freshly mown fields.
Breathe in confusion and breathe out maple trees.
Breathe in the fallen
and breathe out lifelong friendships intact.

Wage peace with your listening:
hearing sirens, pray loud.
Remember your tools:
flower seeds, clothes pins, clean rivers.

Make soup.
Play music, learn the word for thank you in three languages.
Learn to knit, and make a hat.
Think of chaos as dancing raspberries,
imagine grief as the outbreath of beauty
or the gesture of fish.
Swim for the other side.
Wage peace.

Never has the world seemed so fresh and precious.
Have a cup of tea and rejoice.
Act as if armistice has already arrived.
Don't wait another minute.



Judyth Hill
September 11th, 2001

[onawah]

I would say it's a question of spiritual alchemy.
We choose to take on, as much as we feel ourselves able to, of the "dross" of this existence, this paradigm we find ourselves in.
Through knowing, understanding, forgiving---"grokking" if you will--the dross of this existence, we may be able to transform it in part at least, through the alchemy we create in our beings by this process.
Or you could say we reflect back to the world the purity of our transformed beingness, and thereby transform the hologram we find ourselves in.
Lightworkers who cannot face the whole truth of our current paradigm have not yet felt empowered enough to take on that dross. When they do, they will have to transform their bit of the dross too. The more that do so, the more the hologram will be alchemically transformed similar to the 100th Monkey Principle.
It is not through resistance, rejection, repulsion that this is accomplished, but by acceptance.

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks for starting this thread Bonnyhut. This is something I’ve thought a lot about. I believe that the law of attraction exists…but is often misconstrued. For most of us the conscious part of ourselves is only a tiny portion of our whole. As 3D beings we have a big part ourself tucked away in the unconscious. I believe that it is that which is both conscious and unconscious that is mirrored in our outer world, as this forces us to explore our whole being. I.e. The energy signal we send out into the universe, which ultimately returns to us, is determined by not just our conscious beliefs, but our unconscious ones as well. We individually and collectively hold a lot of darkness and it is not going to go away by pretending it doesn’t exist. Only through bringing that which has hidden for so long in the darkness out into the light will we heal ourselves individually and collectively.

The way I see it we are each like a lens or a filter through which the divine shines…every spot on the lens creates a shadow in our external reality when the light is shone through it. Ignoring the spots will not erase the shadows…only through consciously looking at ourselves honestly and deeply will we be able to find and heal the sources of the shadows in our external reality.

Obviously wallowing in negativity doesn’t help our plight, but looking honestly at it as a means to heal is actually a positive healthy process, which I believe will ultimately, in the long term, attract much more desirable results.


“we need to understand how we have been manipulated to create this reality for ourselves that suits an external malevolent agenda so we can rather create a reality for ourselves that we would prefer.”

Also I don’t agree with this statements as my inner explorations have shown me that there is truly no ‘other’…it is all us! We are doing it all…the good and the bad. In fact before hurling myself down into this level of density I actually remember being excited and thinking this was such a grand divine experiment that would be heaps of fun to play in..being able to live in a world where total duality could be expressed and really believed in. Now that I am here and living it I sometimes shake my head…what the hell was I thinking LOL!!! But behind the scenes all is love…even the total creeps like George W Bush….we’re all just playing our roles…good thing we’re coming up to the part where we start to remember our true selves and change the rules of the game ;)
Hope this makes sense

LOVE ALLways, c