The death of Comet Elenin : a return to rationality?

[<8>]

About Comet Elenin Or any comets for that matter.

I'm no rocket scientist, nor have i any degrees of any sort when it come to comets.

I do have it in heavyweights, cause and effect,precision laser system.

And i am a realistic.

So let's make a scenario, lets take the Moon.

We got the mass and Weight and the distance of the Moon to Earth, And we know the effects the Moon does to Earth.

Soo if a comet of the size of the "Moon" passing by earth with the same distance as the Moon got.
It will not have more effect than the Moon does to Earth now.

Elenin was a small (5 km wide) comet.

A small object like that can grace the atmosphere and still don't have any effect on Earth.
A small objects trajectory have to be straight for Earth, And most of it will burn up in the atmosphere.
(remember Nasa do tell us comets are dirty snowballs)
Something i dont belive, diffrent story..



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Both feet on the ground, and we are ok...:)

[Hervé]

Some of the exchanges here remind me of that Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO1T7b07I7E)

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Moonlight interference. Elevation of 8 degrees. Between powerlines.
Comet Elenin is fainter than magnitude 10.0. Galaxy NGC 5697 is faintly visible but comet is not.


What does it mean? Simply that compared to pictures from August, comet Elenin's coma has almost completely diasappeared in spite of being closer to the Sun (should have increased) and closer to the Earth (should have made it more visible from Earth based telescopes).

... is no more... it has ceased to be... :p

[christian]

I can't imagine we consciously deactivated the best part of our DNA or our Brain.

Just take the average couch potato, who 'consciously' lets his body and mind degenerate by being obsessed with profanity on the TV screen.


how long would all these exercises etc. take. some of us haven't got much time left to spend on it :-(

I don't worry about it. I see only evernow, which is where I'm focused on and where I act.

Time may appear somewhat real, but I figure it is an illusion, eventually there is all the time that could be needed, for lessons repeat until they are learned, it's impossible to run out of time and be out of the game. But we all want to proceed, don't we? So let's waste no time :biggrin1: Whether time exists or not, I rather do something more productive than worrying.

[christian]

We all already have a 'Higher-Self' counterpart which is [in effect] in a higher dimension -- i.e. operating outside of this-world spacetime. As we expand our perception and awareness, we can grow to communicate much better with this aspect of ourselves.

Similarly, as we expand our awareness and ability, we can access information from past (and maybe future) events, and communicate with beings in other realities and realms. Some of us can even visit those... rather than merely seeing or communicating into them.

The way to get to do all that is to remove the blocks and barriers. These are native abilities we all have as spiritual beings.

Thanks, that's exactly how I understand it as well.

Now back to the initial point of "there will be no splitting":

A lot of people work on removing these barriers, thereby triggering the 100th monkey effect. But since we are somewhat more complex than monkeys, we have a free-will choice of whether we want to go with this effect or not, it is available but not forced on anybody. I do see people, who eagerly isolate themselves from a spiritual awakening, so the way I understand the splitting is that it might come to a point, when people on the one hand removed so many barriers, that they raised their vibrations to such levels, that they won't live in the same dimension as those on the other hand, who do consciously repel such a process.

[Tony]

It took the Buddha three incalculable eons to become enlightened.
It took Milarepa one life time. Milarepa had the help from Marpa.

We have much to cut through, and have been irrational for a very
long time.

Kind regards
Tony

[enfoldedblue]

On the concept of splitting what I have personally noticed on my journey is that the more I experience my consciousness expanding the less I have to deal with negativity. Everywhere I go now I find myself surrounded with friendly warm people and experiences. It is as though magically all those annoying angry miserable people that used to frequent my orbit have slowly disappeared. I feel like I am in a new world where people are focusing on working together to create health, love and beauty. Even simple interactions with shopkeepers etc seem to have become more deep and meaningful. Obviously in the wider world there are still a lot of people living in low frquencies with violence, misery and hatred running rife...but this is no longer a significant part of my immediate reality. Even when I do come accross people that might be described as down and out there is beauty in the experience...like sharing a really deep heart smile with a toothless junky...seeing that beautiful spark light up in his eye.

So maybe this is how it will work on a larger scale...people sharing the same physical space...but attracting very different experiences...

LOVE ALLways, c

[WhiteFeather]

Could we ascertain or tie in together the possibility of the supernova some had witnessed recently in the past few days, possibly has anything to do with Elenin breaking Up? Just a thought here.

[Mike]

hi Bill,

Re:"Left Behind" - was using it as a metaphor, my friend. ok,ok, maybe it was a bad one;) what can i say?

the world splitting in 2 is absurd. couldn't agree more. but when someone tells me the world is splitting in 2, it suggests to me that they think the world is splitting in 2, if you know what i mean lol!

i tend to agree w/ the rest of your forecast, though i will concede - for Bollinger's sake;)- that it's more intuition and "feeling" than the modest research i've conducted.

[GlassSteagallfan]

I was looking forward to seeing Elenin in one piece. The size was the comspiratorial issue in my mind. Grain of salt on the alien control, CME, and magnetic pole issues. Now its broken up.

Viewable in the northern hemisphere beginning Sept 14 according to: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

I hope to see something of Elenin thru a 4.5 inch reflecting telescope.

[apokalypse]

i'm abit of skiptics with NASA data, is it a fact or deliberate false date to disinformation from TPTB?

[Argos]

I do agree with Bill, when he writes that the break up of Elenin "might be quite good training for what we might all experience in the next 16 months."
I have long wondered what the reaction of some might be, as "significant" dates come and go without incident, without fulfillment of the many prognostications made concerning those dates. This Elenin fizzle might just serve to engender a more measured approach to either Doomsday or Ascension day or whatever in between, depending of course on one's spiritual predilections.

[araucaria]

Daft Ada, I know you have personal reasons for finding time is short and i hope you don’t find me insensitive, but this whole 2012 business has been having the same effect on many others – like people are being rushed into something. One way of understanding Bill’s position is to see that the time issue is an obfuscation: we need first and foremost to stop and think (i.e. do the work), and we probably have a little more time – possibly much more - than we are led to believe. Rash/rush decisions can be avoided simply by slowing things down. I suspect a life-threatening illness works in the same way; indeed in a sense a life-threatening illness is what we are talking about here.

[joedjemal]

Bill, how long would all these exercises etc. take. some of us haven't got much time left to spend on it :-(

It's a never ending process, the more you learn the more you realise you don't know. There is no death. Every thought you've ever had is recorded. Learn to control your thoughts. Cloud9 achieved it in 2 weeks, it took me years. It's up to you. Regular daily practice is the way to go. Get rid of fear.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Bill, am I right in thinking that your thought is very similar to the Hindu concept of devolution as explained by Michael Cremo? I have not studied the original unfortunately!

[seantimberwolf]

Nice to stay grounded and look at the real issues, nothing but love for ya bill.
Sean

[Daft Ada]

It took the Buddha three incalculable eons to become enlightened.
It took Milarepa one life time. Milarepa had the help from Marpa.

We have much to cut through, and have been irrational for a very
long time.

Kind regards
Tony Not really a lot of point in trying then is there, I certainly haven't got that kind of time.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Ada, not to put too fine a point on it, but none of us have enough time! If we haven't managed this life, we just come back again.

[Cjay]

Nothing personal here at all, Cjay -- just using your long post to underline some points to assist clarity.

Thanks Bill. I appreciate your response and clarification. I admire your diplomacy. No offense taken.

While I don't agree with all of your views, I am like a thirsty child at the fountain of knowledge. I love being proven wrong. Proof is the important word here. I could quote Seargent Shultz - "I know nothing, nothing" - but I think my signature - the part in blue - explains it better.

John

[joedjemal]

I think this puts an end to elenin.

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/11/comet-elenin-going-going-gone-harvest-moon-tonight/

[Daft Ada]

Ya think! ;)

[greybeard]

Bill, doing an interview with David Sereda might be a good move.
I am sure you have heard of him.
He is highly regarded as an Astrophysicist and his knowledge extends to UFO's free energy, anti gravity, spiritual, and prophesies.
Regards Chris

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Ok my take on this is.. that Elenin can't be a distraction or something preparing us for something bigger.. it hasn't yet hit the main media.. barely anyone knows about it. This small minority of the alternative media doesn't interest the big boys in the slightest. Put all the alternative medias together into one big site and then you'd have the slightest and I mean the slightest of problems. We are not a problem unless we were globally huge.

Eleinin is what it is. If it's still out there or not. Personally I believe in 2 theories.. it's coming and all will be revealed towards 23rd of this month and later on. Comet, flying pyramid, or something different??? Or it's been destroyed because of an important reason by the secret space program.

Bill stated his opinion on it. I don't agree with most of what he said. But he does seem to know a lot more than me about these type of things.

Just always be true to yourself and believe in what you want to believe in. My mind changes very often about subjects like this.. I ponder on the thoughts and I think everyone here has had a least a gander at it and had a theory of some sort.

Maybe everyone here and on other sites are totally wrong and the big boys are cracking up at us all. None of us have worked it out. Who knows?

It's not scared me.. my experience with the earthquake in Japan scared me and when I saw a connection with the alignments that could also be false it startled me a bit. But other than that I have actually learned a lot about many subjects whilst studying this comet. So for that alone I thank all here who has and I'm sure will keep on doing research into stuff like this.

Ski-

[Daft Ada]

Ada, not to put too fine a point on it, but none of us have enough time! If we haven't managed this life, we just come back again.

Mate if that's the case I hope we get a choice because quite frankly I don't think i would bother, I have had enough crap in this one to want anymore.

[The Truth Is In There]

--- Gradually increasing earth change activity. No show-stopping catastrophe. But more earthquakes, more volcanic eruptions, and more extreme or destabilized weather. (These events may well be exacerbated by HAARP and other high-technology devices by those who relish the opportunity for fear and disruption to permit problem-reaction-solution clampdowns and control measures.)

--- Global financial instability (which may be catastrophic in an economic sense). This may be a serious threat to regular daily life because of political measures taken, and may well be upon us in the next 12 months or sooner. This is also highly likely to be artificially triggered... like some earth change events.

--- A spike of solar activity that may lead to disruption to power supplies and global telecoms. This is outside the control of any human group. In the worst case scenario, this could be heavily disruptive - including the loss of digital data, burned out chips in anything electronic (which may mean no water, fuel, or very much else), and serious disruption to infrastructure. There's credible evidence that this is a known problem which the public has not been told about apart from a few 'test' announcements and publications. (The information is out there.)

--- Disclosure of ET existence: my $10 bet is by the end of 2013. Let's watch, wait and enjoy. (But when it happens, it will certainly not be the whole very tricky story.)



We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.



We all already have a 'Higher-Self' counterpart which is in a higher dimension -- i.e. operating outside of this-world spacetime. As we expand our perception and awareness, we can grow to communicate much better with this aspect of ourselves.

Similarly, as we expand our awareness and ability, we can access information from past (and maybe future) events, and communicate with beings in other realities and realms. Some of us can even visit those... rather than merely seeing or communicating into them.

The way to get to do all that is to remove the blocks and barriers. These are native abilities we all have as spiritual beings.

The physical body is not that relevant in this biggest scheme of things[I] -- although it is the extraordinarily faithful and competent vehicle-cum-servant which enables you to function at this level of reality. In other realms, the body is not necessary for you to function as a spiritual being.

(Don't forget totally about the body, though: it has its own experience, personality, emotions, dreams and traumas. In order to optimize your own operation as a human, you also have to optimize the body's function -- and it's especially smart to do so if your body intelligence (which also reincarnates) is an old ally which you return to work with time and again.)


we are all players in a game, or actors on a stage, and if you don't realize when the game is over or when the curtain has fallen you'll keep playing while others exit the game. bill, your predictions focus on things like money, elenin, a brown dwarf and so on and these are all 3rd dimensional things, meaning they are part of the game. as long as your complete focus is on the game you'll keep playing the game even after you had the chance to exit it.

here's another tidbit regarding the "split of the two earths".

bill, you say this is something that can't happen and a shift will happen gradually. what if i told you that enlightened humans became enlightened from one moment to the next, once the point of enlightenment was reached? well, i'm sure you'd agree. from one moment to the next they were able to leave this 3rd dimensional "reality" by recognizing what it really is, an illusion. yes, it took them lifetimes to reach this point and so it was gradual.

so why would it happen instantly in the near future?

because the expansion of awareness [I]accelerates and i'd like to see you disprove that acceleration which calleman laid out is his books. so unless you can't disprove it you might want to consider the possibility that the expansion will soon reach a point where it happens so fast that it reaches infinity from one moment to the next. this little tidbit is important!

and something else to consider - just like the enlightened ones of the past, when ascending was an arduous process, the people now have the choice to expand their consciousness or not, nobody is forced to do so, we all have free will. and what we see in the world today is that most people have chosen not to do so. they keep playing with total focus on the game.

what does that tell us?

that the "split" (which some people here seem to take literally) will be in the sense of a lot of people suddenly becoming enlightened ("ascending", "being raptured"), simply because their consciousness has reached the point of infinite expansion while most other people still live their life as if nothing out of the ordinary happens. and this takes place because of the naturally accelerating expansion of consciousness, thus it becomes nearly effortless as long as you realize that it is actually possible, remove the blinders and decide to do it.

i'm sorry but i think you're wrong regarding the things in your second quote. we haven't "forgotten" what we've done, we decided to incarnate on earth in order to learn, grow and experience ourselves including human emotions and so on. "as above so below". just like the creator created everything so do we because in essence we are the creator. the way you describe it is like seeing it from a bottom position looking upwards, you identify with your incarnated self, one aspect of your higher self that has this experience, but it has to be seen from the top downwards (i'm using "top" and "bottom" just to illustrate what i mean)

the physical body is THE means for the higher self to experience things in the 3rd dimension. our higher selves send out aspects (parts) of themselves in order to experience existence as humans on earth. these aspects are the various incarnations in the different "times" as well as our "spirit guides". we don't forget upon incarnating because of some mistake that was made eons ago but because that forgetting is essential to facilitate growth. how can you learn anything, expand your awareness, if your awareness already is infinite and you already know everything? we are still in total control of the game and always were. we are here because that is what we want, not because we must. and the expansion of awareness accelerates because it wouldn't be fun if the only way to exit our own game were through lifetimes upon lifetimes of spiritual work. that was for those who couldn't wait, but for all others there's the exit that we reach soon, it just has to be recognized as such and nobody is forced to take it.

and here's an offtopic question to all those who always talk about "fear" or "fear porn" and the like [this doesn't refer to bill but several others who posted here] - have you ever stopped to think about why YOU think about certain things as fearful and others don't? could it be that not these things create fear but YOU?

[christian]

the "split" (which some people here seem to take literally) will be in the sense of a lot of people suddenly becoming enlightened ("ascending", "being raptured"), simply because their consciousness has reached the point of infinite expansion while most other people still live their life as if nothing out of the ordinary happens. and this takes place because of the naturally accelerating expansion of consciousness, thus it becomes nearly effortless as long as you realize that it is actually possible, remove the blinders and decide to do it.

This is a good way to put it, this idea is floating around a lot indeed. A booster is available, they say, for those who want to use it and know how to do it.


i'm sorry but i think you're wrong regarding the things in your second quote. we haven't "forgotten" what we've done, we decided to incarnate on earth in order to learn, grow and experience ourselves including human emotions and so on.

I think it's semantics, so what you are saying is actually "we consciously chose to forget" - so we have forgotten. You say it yourself:


we don't forget upon incarnating because of some mistake that was made eons ago but because that forgetting is essential to facilitate growth. how can you learn anything, expand your awareness, if your awareness already is infinite and you already know everything?

And I don't think it is truly 'necessary' to forget, all knowing would not at all render experiences impossible.
Let me cite Goethe: “Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.”
We still got free-will choices.


just like the creator created everything so do we because in essence we are the creator. the way you describe it is like seeing it from a bottom position looking upwards, you identify with your incarnated self, one aspect of your higher self that has this experience, but it has to be seen from the top downwards (i'm using "top" and "bottom" just to illustrate what i mean)

I cannot quite follow you here, Bill said clearly he thinks we are spiritual beings and that our body is a vehicle.

It's getting more and more into the mists of metaphysics, but I want to share my view on the issue, that I don't think the creator (source) and the creation (all that is, we) are the same. We are co-creators, but 'God's thoughts are not God' to quote the Divine Iliad. God's thoughts can think upon themselves and thus co-create though.

[Agape]

Dear friends... delayed update from me but better than no update for which I apologize . Had somewhat hectic weekend .

After my rather nervous inquiry it was determined that the 'object' in sight is Pleiades star cluster . Explanation is as follows ...

STEREO receives data in two very different ways: in near-realtime via a miserly 633 bps "space weather beacon mode" channel that is monitored by volunteer partner ground stations, and full-resolution telemetry that doesn't get back to earth until it is downlinked via NASA's Deep Space Network (at bandwidth of ~ 160 kbps at this time in the mission) ~ 3 days after the data were obtained.

The 633 bps of beacon mode bandwidth includes all of the STEREO instruments, not just the sECCHI imagers. As a result, all the data is subsampled (e.g. spatially binned for SECCHI images) nd, when possible, heavily (and lossily) compressed. Thus, the quality of the beacon mode images is quite poor, and for persistent objects, it helps to look at the last available day of full resolution data; that is, today minus three days.

Using an online ephemeris:

http://www.ephemeris.com/goto.php ,

I can see that on that date, from earth, the Sun was at 4 h 56 m right ascension (RA), and 22 degrees 38 minutes North declination (DEC). Thus, we want an open star cluster somewhat to the west (right in the sky; east and west are reversed on the sky from the terrestrial sense), and sure enough, the Pleiades (really the only bright, open star cluster in the northern sky):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades

are at 3 h 47 m RA and 24 degrees 7 minutes DEC. (For more detail on the SECCHI instruments' fields of view, see:

http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/sky/fov.html .



Further on ...on my questions about 'disintegration ' of Elenin and whether it's not rather natural for comet approaching Sun too close to be affected and whether the event can be observed by the STEREO cameras ..I've got about following set of answers .



The perihelion is not all that close to the Sun, compared with true sungrazers:

http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=sungrazers .

Please check for yourself ...

Using the STEREO moviemaker, I can see it In STEREO Behind HI-1 until about September 5; it "turned around" and appeared to move in the opposite direction around August 30.

It should also appear later this month in the SOHO LASCO C3 field of view, as I recall.

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images


Use STEREO movie maker at above link, choose Telescopes : Behind HI1 , Start Date : 20110830 End Date : 20110905 , Resolution : 512-512 , Formate : slideshow.


You will see comet Elenin approaching from right and performing 'turn around' and disappearing from sight on about Sep 4th /Sep 5th.

It should be visible from SOHO telescopes later on this month. There's no any confirmed news on its dissapearance or break of nucleus , these are some unconfirmed hypothetical rumors.
Wait for further updates.



Thanks and credits go to Joe Gurman of NASA :angel:



More higher resolution pictures from the Sep 10 observation concerning Pleiades have been uploaded at the same link .

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/browse/2011/09/10/behind/hi1/1024/


In the spirit of Enlightenment ..I'd like to add that I'm not expecting anything from global ascension to global cataclysm in following few hundred years ..
so some of the chat here ( and ongoing polemics ) makes me feel very irrational about the place and participants .

Ascension/evolution/regeneration, both physical and spiritual of mankind is happening ..broadly since it's start and it's going to continue for quite a while yet ..thousands of years ahead.
However uncomfy it seems to be ..


The worst danger we can possibly ever face is from mankind alone. Natural disasters and cataclysms always happened and will happen, less in fact the older and more stable the planet becomes but mankind always survived.

The danger we pose to our civilisation with weapons of global destructions, unsafe sources of energy, chemicals poisoning our atmosphere and environment and more than that, total lack of empathy and care for other humans, whether they're ill or starving ..are some chief factors affecting the status of mankind .

Even the best of technologies and predictions will be of no use if we are not able to retrieve our basic human values extending them to others as we would do to ourselves.

Whether those are 'Christian values' , 'Muslim values', 'Hindu or Buddhist values' or higher ethical norms does not much matter in this stage, in my opinion.



Though I know that my sober insights are of no use to some people at either side of the 'big boat' , hope they may help to few who are well informed and seriously concerned about our destiny ..


Stars above & Truth Within


:angel:












I did a quick search and these are the closest relevant sources I found ...

Leonid Elenins' blog :

http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

Entry from 9/9 reads :

The First Radio Observations of Comet Elenin

American radio astronomers report that did not detect any water coming from any remains of comet Elenin. Amy Lovell observed it for 7 hours on Sept 7 using the Green Bank Telescope (it is not yet in the Arecibo declination window) and did not detect any OH line above the noise level of 2.4 mJy. This puts a limit of a few times 107 molecules/second on the gas production rate, which is about 100 times less than earlier predictions. This data may confirm disintegration proccess in comet’s nucleus which stareted on mid August. The next radio observations may be carry out on October by Arecibo radio observatory, of course if we will see comet Elenin on images from SOHO spacecraft.



Further check : http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/


Latest images : 10/9 /2011


http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/browse/2011/09/10/behind/hi1/1024/



Can anyone confirm the identity of the bright scattered object close to Sun ?



In my best opinion, wait for further updates . Space imagery ( not to speak about imagination ) can cause reflections , refractions and number of other anomalies .



If the little comet /asteroid , no matter what it was went so close to the Sun and got hit by solar flare, termodynamic wave and disintegrated that's all we've got now .


It would be ( astronomically ) thrilling to watch but I'm afraid there is no , I'm saying no reason to panic .



:fish2:


P.S. : It looks like a dog :pop2:

[zenith]

Hi Bill,

I see your return to rationality thread and I raise you a 2012 deodorant. :p

_7KE5iQFE0E

[13th Warrior]

Saying that Elenin has broken up is jumping the gun a little; all sited articles state that it "APEARS" to have broken up...that isn't conformation type language to me.

I've suspected the hype around Elenin and it's alignments causing earthquakes has been a deliberate campaign to provide plausible deniability to man made earthquakes. Perhaps if Elenin has been broken up; it was caused to do so to interrupt that agenda?

[Mutchie]

its a sore fight for a half loaf !!!

[Helvetic]

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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

[aranuk]

its a sore fight for a half loaf !!!

Mutchie, "sare fecht for a half loaf" dinnae ye mean? :p

Stan

[Lord Sidious]

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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

To be fair, I suppose many of us revise our positions over time, with more info coming to our attention.
I am not the same guy I was in 09 and I bet Bill is different too. Still a nugget, but a different nugget. :p

[Orion.V]

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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

To be fair, I suppose many of us revise our positions over time, with more info coming to our attention.
I am not the same guy I was in 09 and I bet Bill is different too. Still a nugget, but a different nugget. :p

Indeed, the more you dig in the bigger the information hole is and you come to new realizations and conclusions.
You take a small break and you get back to work because it's going to get bigger and bigger ....

[Lazlo]

The Godlike Productions poster (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27753-In-The-US-Navy-Space-Command-And-I-Have-Been-To-Elenin&p=283394#post283394) who claimed he'd visited Elenin was a hoaxer. If anyone's interested, I can dissect his testimony (and have done so... there's a document I wrote which I can post). I exchanged views with David Wilcock about it, and he agrees fully.


Please do, I would be interested in reading the document. I have been following along with that story, as it has been most entertaining, and would appreciate your views.

[Cjay]

To be fair, I suppose many of us revise our positions over time, with more info coming to our attention.
I am not the same guy I was in 09 and I bet Bill is different too. Still a nugget, but a different nugget. :p

We're all learning and un-learning so our heads don't explode or so we can learn some more. This knowledge game is fun!

The world used to be flat. Then it was spherical. It might be flat again one day. I will still wonder what's on the other side or inside or underneath.

[onawah]

Hopefully Bill will clarify on this point himself, but I think one distinction is that the brown dwarf is not Nibiru, or Planet X, as it has been called, though Planet X is a name has been bandied about a lot. So the brown dwarf is not a planet inhabited by the Annunaki, who Bill has stated elsewhere are probably still here in some numbers, at least (and on Mars), and in any case, have faster than light speed ships in which they can come here anytime if they so choose. They are not dependent on their (alleged) home planet Nibiru coming into close enough proximity to Earth that they could travel here in the more antiquated ships that Sitchin theorized they must have used in ancient times.
Though Bill has stated the Annunaki do exist, I'm not sure what he has said about Nibiru or where it is located at present, but according to Sitchin, it will not come close enough to Earth to cause any problems for quite some time.
As to whether it is the brown dwarf that caused cataclysms in ancient times otherwise attributed to Nibiru by Sitchin and others, Bill seems to be saying that is not the case.

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision
"Sitchin published a book, The End of Days, which set the time for the last passing of Nibiru by Earth at 556 BC, which would mean, given the object's supposed 3,600-year orbit, that it would return sometime around AD 2900."



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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

[Hervé]

I think this puts an end to elenin.

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/11/comet-elenin-going-going-gone-harvest-moon-tonight/


Saying that Elenin has broken up is jumping the gun a little; all sited articles state that it "APEARS" to have broken up...that isn't conformation type language to me.

[...]


From http://sydneystargazers.com/:

Further signs that Elenin Broke Up (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/12/further-signs-that-elenin-broke-up/)•September 12, 2011 • Michael Mattiazzo took a picture of comet elenin yesterday which we looked at today. The picture shows further proof that comet Elenin has broken up into pieces as a result of the effect of the sun’s gravity and heat on it.
Comet Elenin should almost be a 6th magnitude comet at this stage, meaning that it should be almost visible to the naked eye. Instead however, Elenin is now reported to be a 10th magnitude comet which is now a faint smudge in the sky using telescopes.
Radio astronomers have also reported that the radio signals they bounced off the comet show that elenin has no water which indicates a comet breakup.
We processed the picture taken by Michael Mattiazzo to remove some of the background noise but as you can see there is very little left of comet elenin. The comet is in the lower center of the picture. We expect that there will be nothing to see of the comet after the next week or two.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg?w=284&h=360 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg)



Comet Elenin is no more... it has ceased to exist... this is an EX-comet... to paraphrase these guys:


KO1T7b07I7E

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.

Of course, the propaganda owners are not going to let it go as that... same as the petshop owner.

[13th Warrior]

I think this puts an end to elenin.

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/11/comet-elenin-going-going-gone-harvest-moon-tonight/


Saying that Elenin has broken up is jumping the gun a little; all sited articles state that it "APEARS" to have broken up...that isn't conformation type language to me.

[...]


From http://sydneystargazers.com/:

Further signs that Elenin Broke Up (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/12/further-signs-that-elenin-broke-up/)•September 12, 2011 • Michael Mattiazzo took a picture of comet elenin yesterday which we looked at today. The picture shows further proof that comet Elenin has broken up into pieces as a result of the effect of the sun’s gravity and heat on it.
Comet Elenin should almost be a 6th magnitude comet at this stage, meaning that it should be almost visible to the naked eye. Instead however, Elenin is now reported to be a 10th magnitude comet which is now a faint smudge in the sky using telescopes.
Radio astronomers have also reported that the radio signals they bounced off the comet show that elenin has no water which indicates a comet breakup.
We processed the picture taken by Michael Mattiazzo to remove some of the background noise but as you can see there is very little left of comet elenin. The comet is in the lower center of the picture. We expect that there will be nothing to see of the comet after the next week or two.

http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg?w=284&h=360 (http://sydneystargazers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/elenin-12th-sept.jpg)



Comet Elenin is no more... it has ceased to exist... this is an EX-comet... to paraphrase these guys:


KO1T7b07I7E

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.

Of course, the propaganda owners are not going to let it go as that... same as the petshop owner.

The basis for the breakup theory is the dimming of the comet vs brightening thus it must be breaking up?

Perhaps Richard Hoagland is correct in that this isn't a comet because it isn't acting like a comet...

[Hervé]

[...]

Comet Elenin is no more... it has ceased to exist... this is an EX-comet... to paraphrase these guys:


KO1T7b07I7E

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.

Of course, the propaganda owners are not going to let it go as that... same as the petshop owner.

The basis for the breakup theory is the dimming of the comet vs brightening thus it must be breaking up?

Perhaps Richard Hoagland is correct in that this isn't a comet because it isn't acting like a comet...

It's acting like a broken up comet, it looks like a broken up comet, it echoes to radar like a broken up comet... it is an EX-comet.

[Lazlo]

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.


Cool, does that mean that we are going to get another annual meteor shower? The perseids, the leonids, and now the ELENIDS:cool:

[Hervé]

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.


Cool, does that mean that we are going to get another annual meteor shower? The perseids, the leonids, and now the ELENIDS:cool:

That's a good possibility... in another 12,000 years :p.

[Lazlo]

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.


Cool, does that mean that we are going to get another annual meteor shower? The perseids, the leonids, and now the ELENIDS:cool:

That's a good possibility... in another 12,000 years :p.

Must have been my mis-understanding of how this stuff works. I thought that Elenin was crossing Earth's orbital path and would leave dust and debris in a trail that we would pass through annually. I was thinking that it would leave a pretty good trail since it was dissolving into a cloud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseids

The Perseids ( /ˈpɜrsiːɨdz/) are a prolific meteor shower associated with the comet Swift-Tuttle. The Perseids are so-called because the point from which they appear to come, called the radiant, lies in the constellation Perseus. The name derives in part from the word Perseides (Περσείδες), a term found in Greek mythology referring to the sons of Perseus. The stream of debris is called the Perseid cloud and stretches along the orbit of the comet Swift-Tuttle. The cloud consists of particles ejected by the comet as it travels on its 130-year orbit. Most of the dust in the cloud today is around a thousand years old. However, there is also a relatively young filament of dust in the stream that was pulled off the comet in 1862.[1] The rate of meteors originating from this filament is much higher than for the older part of the stream.

[anklebiter]

Finally - a long needed voice of reason and reality here on Avalon. Let's put the Sci-Fi stories to rest...

[Hervé]

[...]

Must have been my mis-understanding of how this stuff works. I thought that Elenin was crossing Earth's orbital path and would leave dust and debris in a trail that we would pass through annually. I was thinking that it would leave a pretty good trail since it was dissolving into a cloud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseids

[...]

That's more of the propaganda: The cloud of asteroids will follow comet Elenin's long period orbital path. Accordingly, Earth won't cross that path and trail until next year when most, if not all, the dust and particles will have been blown off beyond Pluto with the solar wind... and the cloud of asteroids well on its way out of this solar system.

Elenin crossing Earth's orbit doesn't happen in a 3D geometric rendering of its path. It crosses the ecliptic plane around Sept. 13 and that's the only spot where Elenin's tail is directly aligned with Earth's orbit. However, the Earth is well ahead of that spot.

Beyond tomorrow, anything Elenin that doesn't follow its orbital path gets blown "above" Earth's orbit.

[The Truth Is In There]

i'm sorry but i think you're wrong regarding the things in your second quote. we haven't "forgotten" what we've done, we decided to incarnate on earth in order to learn, grow and experience ourselves including human emotions and so on.

I think it's semantics, so what you are saying is actually "we consciously chose to forget" - so we have forgotten.

yes, that's about what i mean.


And I don't think it is truly 'necessary' to forget, all knowing would not at all render experiences impossible.
Let me cite Goethe: “Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.”
We still got free-will choices.

the problem is that we wouldn't make mistakes if we knew everything. and making mistakes is the biggest help when it comes to learning. or would you touch that wonderfully glowing hot stove top even if you knew that it may not be the best of ideas?




just like the creator created everything so do we because in essence we are the creator. the way you describe it is like seeing it from a bottom position looking upwards, you identify with your incarnated self, one aspect of your higher self that has this experience, but it has to be seen from the top downwards (i'm using "top" and "bottom" just to illustrate what i mean)

I cannot quite follow you here, Bill said clearly he thinks we are spiritual beings and that our body is a vehicle.

It's getting more and more into the mists of metaphysics, but I want to share my view on the issue, that I don't think the creator (source) and the creation (all that is, we) are the same. We are co-creators, but 'God's thoughts are not God' to quote the Divine Iliad. God's thoughts can think upon themselves and thus co-create though.

yes but to me bill's viewpoint appears to be that of the limited 3rd dimensional vehicle and not the unlimited consciousness that we all are. what i meant is that you can place your viewpoint in the human mind which fusses about earth changes and so on, or you can place it in a state of unlimited consciousness where you are everything and see these things for what they are - pieces of the game you yourself created. as long as you keep your pov in the game you'll be a victim of the circumstances you yourself create in order to help you expand your consciousness to the point where you can exit the game.

if you say the creator and creation are not the same that is quite a dualistic viewpoint, don't you think? the creator is everything and so everything is the creator. whatever the iliad says, i know for sure that my thoughts can't think for themselves, it's me who does the thinking.

[Daft Ada]

[...]

Comet Elenin is no more... it has ceased to exist... this is an EX-comet... to paraphrase these guys:


KO1T7b07I7E

It is now a cloud of minuscule asteroids.

Of course, the propaganda owners are not going to let it go as that... same as the petshop owner.

The basis for the breakup theory is the dimming of the comet vs brightening thus it must be breaking up?

Perhaps Richard Hoagland is correct in that this isn't a comet because it isn't acting like a comet...

It's acting like a broken up comet, it looks like a broken up comet, it echoes to radar like a broken up comet... it is an EX-comet.

I think you are copying my theme ;) I started a monty python parrot ex comet theme on Hoaglands site a couple of days ago, everyone on his site blew up in my face like they often do on here. they all insisted that all the evidence that I presented was rubish and the posters of it were unreliable, they all demanded absolute proof. I explained that no one has absolute proof and that they were just being selective about who they believed because they were just following Hoagland like sheeple. I pointed out that they had nothing but what other people had posted as proof that it hadn't broken up. I asked if any of them had a massive telescope and could actually see it, or a space craft to go and check, and then of course the bullying starts and the name calling. I pointed out that no matter how much they insult me or call me names it doesn't change the facts, Hoagland defended his case with an elleven day old video someone had posted on youtube, because of course anything on youtube is gospel. And ultimately as the thread went on and there was just no way they could actually prove their claims true, hoagland did the expected and made the truth go away by banning me. There we have the good old American freedom of speech in action God bless America.

[Elle]

"Demonstration and refutation together with their fallacies are useful in arguing with others; and perception and inference together with their fallacies are useful for self-understanding" - Dignaga (420-500AD)

[Tony]

It took the Buddha three incalculable eons to become enlightened.
It took Milarepa one life time. Milarepa had the help from Marpa.

We have much to cut through, and have been irrational for a very
long time.

Kind regards
Tony Not really a lot of point in trying then is there, I certainly haven't got that kind of time.

Dear Anno,
you have all the time in the universe!!!! And that is infinite.........

Tony

PS, Actually this could be your last incarnation, all you have to do is discover why people are irrational!

[Agape]

The debate among astronomers and enthusiasts from all around the world regarding this subject including various arguments and counter-arguments seems to be best to watch on this page :

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/09/the-first-radio-observations-of-comet-elenin/

Scroll down to 'comments' section and replies to them . There seems to be common agreement in that even if there're disintegration processes going on ,
the comet will still follow its path .

Comment from 'Adrian' , 2 days ago reads :


The blue/green colour of Comet Elenin suggests very strongly that the coma includes a high level of Hydrogen Cyande - HCN - characteristic of historical comets such as Haleys Comet. So making assumptions based on OH when clearly, from an observational perspective, the coma probably consists of a high concentration of another gas - HCN - is both misleading and unrepresentative of the true status of the comet, just as the premature assumption that a dimming of the coma indicates disintegration.

Images taken by Francis Walsh with different filters confirms that the construction of the comet as a whole differs in accordance with the filter and method of observation used, but does not indicate a conclusive disintegration.





The next next date to confirm its status seems to be around September 23 in the view of SOHO telescopes .



:alien:

[Star1111]

Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

Was that directed at me?hmmm maybe the quote is a clue ;) What part of "Elenin is just a cloud of snowballs" don't you understand? Have you read the link? are you going to call the man who discovered it in the first place and is now saying it has broken up, a liar. i think you are in denial, but ok hang on to it for a few more days if it makes you happy and when the snow balls have all melted by the sun you can start on the next comet that's coming :rolleyes:


I don't know for a fact that it is indeed either a ''cloud of snowballs'' nor do I know that it is now cactus.
I take no mans word for anything unless I check it out first if it is an important enough topic.


Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.........

[UFOphotos]

There seem to be some confusion about this comet. Even on the astronomer Leonid Elenin´s own thread on another website, were signs of total confusion. Leonid Elenin replies back to many in this thread, that the comet is disintegrated, which is normal for comets when they comes too close to the sun. Here below is the latest thread on comet Elenin by Leonid Elenin himself...

The first radio observations of comet Elenin (http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/09/the-first-radio-observations-of-comet-elenin/)

Please be aware, that there are tons of people out there, who writes articles just for the sake of getting more visitors to their sites, not for the sake of delivering good valuable information. There are many stories created out of thin air, so thumbrule NO 1. must be to be sure, that the information are supported by real scientific data and evidence, not rumours on the Internet without any clear references.

[Hervé]

[...]

I think you are copying my theme ;) I started a monty python parrot ex comet theme on Hoaglands site a couple of days ago, everyone on his site blew up in my face like they often do on here. they all insisted that all the evidence that I presented was rubish and the posters of it were unreliable, they all demanded absolute proof. I explained that no one has absolute proof and that they were just being selective about who they believed because they were just following Hoagland like sheeple. I pointed out that they had nothing but what other people had posted as proof that it hadn't broken up. I asked if any of them had a massive telescope and could actually see it, or a space craft to go and check, and then of course the bullying starts and the name calling. I pointed out that no matter how much they insult me or call me names it doesn't change the facts, Hoagland defended his case with an elleven day old video someone had posted on youtube, because of course anything on youtube is gospel. And ultimately as the thread went on and there was just no way they could actually prove their claims true, hoagland did the expected and made the truth go away by banning me. There we have the good old American freedom of speech in action God bless America.

HI Daft Ada,

Sorry about the banning... as I don't frequent Hoagland site, I didn't get the idea from there. For me, it started here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=306545&viewfull=1#post306545
... I guess it's been floating in the atmosphere...

Hoagland's proclaimed CLAIM:

We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....

Guess who is doing some endless repeating with no actual data... only claims?

[OmetaOne]

First of all: claims stating that a comet flying by could damage our planet is hysteria. When has a comet flying by ever caused floods, earthquakes or any other cataclysms? Never, only if it crashes and that is a distinct possibility, like when the Celts were hit allegedly by one some hundred years B.C. in the Chiemgau-Impact. From then on they feared that the sky might fall on their heads again and I think that this is the reason for our panic whenever we hear the word comet. These bodys are just too small to cause any damage when they are just flying by, anything else is exaggeration. And Elenin's trajectory is definitely not on a collision course with Earth.

Mixing up Elenin with an alleged body called Nibiru or Planet X is even more absurd. That body is said to be four times larger than Jupiter and Elenin is 'only' 50 miles wide. What onawah in his post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=307217&viewfull=1#post307217) found out is that Zecharia Sitchin in his last book, 'The End of Days', set the time for the return of Nibiru to a close encounter with Earth at sometime around AD 2900. So what do we worry, there is nothing damaging heading towards Earth. And there are no Anunnaki inhabiting Nibiru in the first place, but that is another story, a story to promote the hostile alien thesis.

But Bill Ryan's or any other persons claim that Elenin has disintegrated is also false. It is false because it is not a comet but a spacecraft or a group of craft, they just changed their visibility or formation. You might like my rendering of that idea, lol.

http://www.om-page.de/Media/Images/Spaceship-Elenin&Enterprise730.jpg

I know that a leap of faith is required to believe that Elenin may be an intelligently piloted spacecraft but listen to what James Horak has to say about Elenin and what he predicts what it will do. Now, what we see is to divert what James has predicted. Also in this interview James is referring to Hoagland as someone with inside knowledge regarding Elenin but some of the statements Hoagland makes are just exaggerations or false. But judge for yourself:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOO2ORP99Ns

[Hervé]

[...]

Comment from 'Adrian' , 2 days ago reads :


[...]


Images taken by Francis Walsh with different filters confirms that the construction of the comet as a whole differs in accordance with the filter and method of observation used, but does not indicate a conclusive disintegration.





The next next date to confirm its status seems to be around September 23 in the view of SOHO telescopes .



:alien:

Because of the use of different filters on a same date without anything else to compare it to from previous dates; nothing can be conluded from it.

Whereas, if you check the data provided by http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm , where shots (same exposures, filters, ect.) of the comet are comparable... make up your own mind.

Moreover, the people at http://sydneystargazers.com/ have checked with the appropriate instrument the degree of condensation of the nucleus:



•August 31, 2011 •
[...]
In the last 12 days, Elenin is reported to have faded by as much as 80% and the latest findings show that Elenin is seen only as a smear and there is no sign of central condensation.

When we talk about a comet’s degree of condensation , we look at either the degree of condensation of the coma (atmosphere) or the degree of condensation of the nucleus.

In this case ,we are talking about comet Elenin having no central condensation, in other words of the nucleus…… and this roughly means there is no longer a nucleus to comet Elenin.

This has been measured by an E12 instrument which is used to gauge the level of condensation of a comet.

[christian]

the problem is that we wouldn't make mistakes if we knew everything. and making mistakes is the biggest help when it comes to learning. or would you touch that wonderfully glowing hot stove top even if you knew that it may not be the best of ideas?

I did so a couple of times and will maybe do it again. I wanted to know, how it would feel, when I experience it. On the other hand, just because I know what is the correct way, I still would want to experience the correct way, to find out how it feels.

I guess everyone remembers at least one situation in his life, where one knew, that a certain action would bear problems and pain, but for whatever reason one did it anyways.

It's often said, that the Source is all-knowing but created all-that-is, to experience itself, to find out how its all-knowing feels when it's applied.



you can place your viewpoint in the human mind which fusses about earth changes and so on, or you can place it in a state of unlimited consciousness where you are everything and see these things for what they are - pieces of the game you yourself created. as long as you keep your pov in the game you'll be a victim of the circumstances you yourself create in order to help you expand your consciousness to the point where you can exit the game.


It's common knowledge amongst most here, many surely had experiences that gave them actual proof, that we are consciousness having a human experience. Anyways, to me it feels like I want to transform this human vehicle, that 'I' focus through right now, instead of just escaping from it, I'm not sure what you mean by "exit the game". Not being limited to game inside 5-sense perception? Well of course not, that's not debated at all, I figure.



if you say the creator and creation are not the same that is quite a dualistic viewpoint, don't you think? the creator is everything and so everything is the creator. whatever the iliad says, i know for sure that my thoughts can't think for themselves, it's me who does the thinking.

Honestly I don't know whether or not this is dualistic. The way I see it, the Creator created everything in potential, which is in turn thinking upon itself rearranging itself all the time. This can be seen as creating, but it's just turning potentials into something else. It's not making something out of 'nothing', only the Creator did that, when his creation creates, it's transforming unlimited potential, the way I see it.

Whenever I pray for something or focus on something I want to create, it's not in a final definite shape, it's about as clear as I can get about something I want to see and it doesn't contain all the steps to get there. When I keep the focus, things will fall in place, synchronicities will happen, because my thoughts think upon themselves and find a proper way to bring about what I focused on and I allow them to think upon themselves, I'm not rigid as to how it should unfold, because in my experience it works best this way.

Because I am part of the creation, which is united, my thoughts thinking upon themselves are a part of me also, so I am doing all the thinking by definition, but by no means can I claim that I'm consciously aware of that process, maybe to some degree, but surely not in its entirety. pie'n'eal recently created an interesting thread about where thoughts actually originate from, suggesting they don't come from us, which is exactly how I understand it, to be precise, I feel I just tune into whatever and then I get the thoughts, but as everything is united, I tune into myself, hence they do come from me. What a beatiful paradox.

This Creator issue is getting really convoluted here, but I think it's nice to share perspectives now and then, so an analogy that makes sense to me would be: The Creator created all-that-is as a tapestry or a screen, so he can observe the movie, how everything unfolds, changes, thinks upon itself and so on, but the Creator doesn't change, while he watches it, he is ever unchanging while the movie on the screen moves constantly. When relating such concepts, one cannot prove them really, so it's not really a debate to me, it's like looking at the stars together, wondering what might be going on at some distant place, in reverence for the wondrous magnitude of life...

[The Truth Is In There]

to get somewhat out of the metaphysical and back to the main topic of this thread, here are my two cents regarding comet elenin.

we're being told by "official sources" that it disintegrates and we're being shown pictures as proof of that. i learned to always distrust "official sources" because more often than not what they tell us are lies, some outright and some wrapped in nice packaging.

on the other hand i believe in prophecies from sources that made other predictions which have already come to pass. the hopi come to mind. then i consider the many strange "coincidences" of the things that are currently taking place, for instance the synchronicities between the hopi predictions and those of the bible, between the prophecy of the kachinas and all the talk about comets elenin, levy, honda and planet x (the blue kachina, the red kachina and the twins?), the remarkable prophetic potential of the mayan calendar as demonstrated by carl johan calleman, and all that stuff leads me to the conclusion that i rather believe the outrageous claims of prophets who were right in the past than those of "official sources" who are known to fill our pockets with all sorts of bs.

what i want to say is that until comet elenin has come and gone and absolutely nothing of the predicted stuff has happened by mid november, nasa and "leonid elenin" and all others can say whatever they want, i won't buy it.

[Daft Ada]

[...]

I think you are copying my theme ;) I started a monty python parrot ex comet theme on Hoaglands site a couple of days ago, everyone on his site blew up in my face like they often do on here. they all insisted that all the evidence that I presented was rubish and the posters of it were unreliable, they all demanded absolute proof. I explained that no one has absolute proof and that they were just being selective about who they believed because they were just following Hoagland like sheeple. I pointed out that they had nothing but what other people had posted as proof that it hadn't broken up. I asked if any of them had a massive telescope and could actually see it, or a space craft to go and check, and then of course the bullying starts and the name calling. I pointed out that no matter how much they insult me or call me names it doesn't change the facts, Hoagland defended his case with an elleven day old video someone had posted on youtube, because of course anything on youtube is gospel. And ultimately as the thread went on and there was just no way they could actually prove their claims true, hoagland did the expected and made the truth go away by banning me. There we have the good old American freedom of speech in action God bless America.

HI Daft Ada,

Sorry about the banning... as I don't frequent Hoagland site, I didn't get the idea from there. For me, it started here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=306545&viewfull=1#post306545
... I guess it's been floating in the atmosphere...

Hoagland's proclaimed CLAIM:

We have NO actual images of this "disintegration," only Internet claims -- endlessly repeated (of course) ....

Guess who is doing some endless repeating with no actual data... only claims?

It was only tounge in cheek mate, that's what the smiley was for.

[WhiteFeather]

Bill could you give your perspective on Chemtrails, if you believe they exist and if in fact, what are their relative purposes. Thanks ~W.F.~

[Fenexrep]

Lord Sidious wrote:

To be fair, I suppose many of us revise our positions over time, with more info coming to our
attention. I am not the same guy I was in 09 and I bet Bill is different too. Still a nugget, but
a different nugget.

I wrote:

Can one suffer from nugget envy? ;-)

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious wrote:

To be fair, I suppose many of us revise our positions over time, with more info coming to our
attention. I am not the same guy I was in 09 and I bet Bill is different too. Still a nugget, but
a different nugget.

I wrote:

Can one suffer from nugget envy? ;-)

Dunno, do you feel envious?
Nugget. :p

[Bill Ryan]

Bill could you give your perspective on Chemtrails, if you believe they exist and if in fact, what are their relative purposes. Thanks ~W.F.~

Kerry and I were told back at the end of 2007, by an insider who could very well have known what he was talking about, that this article was pretty close to the mark:

http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm

[RMorgan]

to get somewhat out of the metaphysical and back to the main topic of this thread, here are my two cents regarding comet elenin.

we're being told by "official sources" that it disintegrates and we're being shown pictures as proof of that. i learned to always distrust "official sources" because more often than not what they tell us are lies, some outright and some wrapped in nice packaging.

on the other hand i believe in prophecies from sources that made other predictions which have already come to pass. the hopi come to mind. then i consider the many strange "coincidences" of the things that are currently taking place, for instance the synchronicities between the hopi predictions and those of the bible, between the prophecy of the kachinas and all the talk about comets elenin, levy, honda and planet x (the blue kachina, the red kachina and the twins?), the remarkable prophetic potential of the mayan calendar as demonstrated by carl johan calleman, and all that stuff leads me to the conclusion that i rather believe the outrageous claims of prophets who were right in the past than those of "official sources" who are known to fill our pockets with all sorts of bs.

what i want to say is that until comet elenin has come and gone and absolutely nothing of the predicted stuff has happened by mid november, nasa and "leonid elenin" and all others can say whatever they want, i won't buy it.

I´m very curious about all this Elenin breaking up story as well...You know, everybody here hates the mainstream media, and everybody here is always suspicious about this kinds of stories...

However, this time, someone told the comet has broken up and almost everybody took it as an absolute truth! Like " Oh, Elenin is now broken! Great! It´s over! Nothing to see here...."

[WhiteFeather]

Bill could you give your perspective on Chemtrails, if you believe they exist and if in fact, what are their relative purposes. Thanks ~W.F.~

Kerry and I were told back at the end of 2007, by an insider who could very well have known what he was talking about, that this article was pretty close to the mark:

http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm

Resonates with me as well Bill. Much Thanks. Appreciate the response.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Today, Sept 14, 2011, Comet Elenin is visible in the northern hemisphere according to the JPL website, which is only a reference tool. Hopefully some amateur astronomers will put this issue to rest and direct others where to look.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/elenin914.jpg

[Eric J (Viking)]

Today, Sept 14, 2011, Comet Elenin is visible in the northern hemisphere according to the JPL website, which is only a reference tool. Hopefully some amateur astronomers will put this issue to rest and direct others where to look.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/elenin914.jpg

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to ...

'Is Elenin still on course and lets try to be rational'

viking

[Nanoo Nanoo]

if a comet comes i want to have first class seats ! glory halelujah ! in the mean time im gettin on with it regardless of who predicts what .... hmmm

[phillipbbg]

Today, Sept 14, 2011, Comet Elenin is visible in the northern hemisphere according to the JPL website, which is only a reference tool. Hopefully some amateur astronomers will put this issue to rest and direct others where to look.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/elenin914.jpg

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to ...

'Is Elenin still on course and lets try to be rational'

viking

Have a look here viking... http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,311.0.html the guy behind the first post is the one with the most current facts IMO

[Eric J (Viking)]

Today, Sept 14, 2011, Comet Elenin is visible in the northern hemisphere according to the JPL website, which is only a reference tool. Hopefully some amateur astronomers will put this issue to rest and direct others where to look.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/elenin914.jpg

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to ...

'Is Elenin still on course and lets try to be rational'

viking

Have a look here viking... http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,311.0.html the guy behind the first post is the one with the most current facts IMO

Thanks Phillip ...

Its fun and games at the moment ... no one source can be substantiated in my opinion ... in the meantime lets keep our ears to the ground...I'm sure there will be more twists and turns to this saga!

viking

[ThePythonicCow]

Kerry and I were told back at the end of 2007, by an insider who could very well have known what he was talking about, that this article was pretty close to the mark:

http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm
This description of chemtrails as a medium to support directed energy weapons fits quite well with Dr. Judy Wood's analysis of the physical evidence explaining the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11/2001.

See for example these posts:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30341-Maybe-9-11-is-why-we-reincarnated-now.&p=308066&viewfull=1#post308066
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30341-Maybe-9-11-is-why-we-reincarnated-now.&p=308099&viewfull=1#post308099

From what I can understand of the physical evidence, Dr. Judy Wood's analysis is far closer to the truth than the "thermite controlled demolition" explanation of the dominant 9/11 "truth" seekers (not to mention the "19 Arab hijackers with box cutters" official explanation ;).)

My intuitive sense is that both

Paul LaViolette's physics, (interviewed here (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/paul_laviolette_en.html)) both as he develops in his own theories, research and analysis, and as he finds described in the ancient myths of many lands (Egyptian creation myths, tarot, astrology, I Ching, Atlantis, ...), and
Wade Frazier's appreciation for the potential that "free energy" has to support humanity and heal this planet, as explored in your (Bill's) thread WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet)
provide other entry points, from quite different perspectives, on the same material.

There are many levels to this rabbit warren, and many holes offering entry into each level.
http://adaptiveblue.img.s3.amazonaws.com/topics/p/rabbit_hole/small
The destruction of the World Trade Center was a monstrous demonstration of the directed energy capabilities of The Bastards in Power (TBiP) on this planet. For many of us, at some point in our gaining awareness, a proper understanding of 9/11 will be an important milestone.

The recent Dutchsinse videos (such as this one Weather manipulation via frequency = Explanation on Scalar Squares and HAARP rings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28076-Weather-manipulation-via-frequency-Explanation-on-Scalar-Squares-and-HAARP-rings)) that apparently provoked the strongest attacks on him described these directed energy facilities in ways quite similar to the What Chemtrails Really Are (http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm) article you linked in what I quoted above, Bill. Thanks for that link, and thanks for founding and guiding what is perhaps the best forum for sharing this material. Good stuff. :)

[humanalien]

I'm beginning to think that elenin never existed.
Maybe the story was just put out there as a
distraction while something else took place.

Anyone can point out a bright light in space
and call it a comet.

[Hervé]

[...]

we're being told by "official sources" that it disintegrates and we're being shown pictures as proof of that. i learned to always distrust "official sources" because more often than not what they tell us are lies, some outright and some wrapped in nice packaging.

[...]


Except for the Stereo pictures, none of the others are from "official sources," they are all taken by amateur astronomers...

[passiglight]

Hi folks, i have a question i would like to ask , of the forum and of Bill, if that's ok ?

I would like to note that the business with regard to elenin displaying a 3 dimensional tetrahedron during, before or after the disintegration i find most interesting, and there is extremely compelling indirect evidence that this was a controlled and manufactured event carried out by The Galactic Federation of Light on behalf of, or, with The Ascended Masters.
My Question therefore is,,,,

Do you , Bill and fellow avalons believe this is a possible scenario and do you believe a group of entities/human hybrids etc etc exsist both in our dimension and or an ethereal dimension for example over the gobi desert and are Known commonly as, the Ascended Masters/ white brotherhood/GLF ?

Cosmic Love

[greybeard]

Hi folks, i have a question i would like to ask , of the forum and of Bill, if that's ok ?

I would like to note that the business with regard to elenin displaying a 3 dimensional tetrahedron during, before or after the disintegration i find most interesting, and there is extremely compelling indirect evidence that this was a controlled and manufactured event carried out by The Galactic Federation of Light on behalf of, or, with The Ascended Masters.
My Question therefore is,,,,

Do you , Bill and fellow avalons believe this is a possible scenario and do you believe a group of entities/human hybrids etc etc exsist both in our dimension and or an ethereal dimension for example over the gobi desert and are Known commonly as, the Ascended Masters/ white brotherhood/GLF ?

Cosmic Love

That might be worth a Poll.

Chris

[Hervé]

[...]
Do you , Bill and fellow avalons believe this is a possible scenario and do you believe ...

Cosmic Love

Rather than believe, I'd like to see some evidence.

The "tetrahedron" is a patchwork, a composite of three pictures stacked one on top of the other to provide a single picture:


Here is the latest Enterprise Elenin imaging (below) -- produced from an original NASA STEREO-B satellite video, the latter recorded during Elenin's recent encounter with a solar CME (coronal mass ejection), August 19th.

The new image-composite (made from THREE "40-second HI-1 camera frames")...

Here is what an aeronautic engineer concluded on Hoagland's "tetrahedron":




Originally Posted by Don J
Hoagland pretend that the tetrahedron is a"geometric force shield "protecting the central object...

Since the comet appears to be distintegrating, I guess they should have gone with the underbody rustproofing too.

Hoagland starts with the conclusion that Elenin is a spacecraft and then interprets the rest of the observations around that. Circular argument, tetrahedral "force shield."

Of course we aren't told what a "force shield" is. That's because it's pure science fiction. We aren't told how Hoagland determined that's what it was. The fog that populates other areas of the image is apparently unremarkable, despite it being of the same visual character as the fog around Elenin. So if it's around Elenin, it's a "force shield." If it's elsewhere in the image, it's ordinary dust, dispersion, noise, or whatever. Hoagland only ventures to explain part of the fog.

As he did with the formations at Cydonia on Mars, Hoagland imposes the notion of regularity on the image. He says it's "perfectly" regular in a geometric, but it visibly is not. That raises the same specter that we always have to confront when dealing with Hoagland's claims: how far can you be off and still be "perfect?" At a certain point the eye rectifies near-regular geometries as part of our highly-developed pattern-based vision. Real photo analysis has to move to numerical methods in order to sidestep this artifact of human vision. Hoagland rarely does that.

The problem with setting up a not-quite-perfect shape as a perfect shape is that the alleged perfection then becomes the only argument for artificiality. "Such a perfect shape cannot arise in nature, therefore it must be artificial." But near-regular processes occur all the time in nature. So the degree of perfection becomes the important element.

He sees three bright patches near Elenin, roughly centered on it and forming a nearly equilateral triangle. He interprets them as the visible edges of some tetrahedral structure. But a triangle is not a tetrahedron. You can interpret it that way only if you assume one of the four cardinal axes of the tetrahedron is aligned with your line of sight. That's convenient for a happenstance image such as this. Most real-world photography of regular shapes in chance encounters does not capture them in a canonical orientation.

Further, Hoagland argues that the vertices of his tetrahedron are perfect circles. Really, Richard? Are you going to say that the product of considerable image processing, deconvolution, and filtration is circular, and that this is proof of regularity rather than an artifact of the circular support for the relevant algorithms?

Needless to say, it's pure Hoagland: lots and lots of imagination and no science.



From: http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/117758-Comet-Elenin-again/page3

[passiglight]

The evidence i have seen is mostly channeled, at least thats assuming that my idea of channeling and yours might differ a bit,for example my idea of 99% of channeled communication is that it's deliberate and localised signal from a satelite and or ship in near or close -ish orbit and the act has deliberate intent for propanganda effect,,,

So it's not the content of the channel that is relevant here, but who has been transmitting the message that is paramount to investigating the effect

if channeling is direct communication then that is what it is,,,and it's done by an entity that has access to some fairly tidy kit...........

We know the elites answer to an energy above themselves,,,,,,,,,,,

we know the symbolism behind any image,,,,,,,,,

and it's all down to personal interpretation depending on one's experience,,,,

if one was to answer the question presented with evidence , one can easily go look ,it's all on-line,,,,,,,

we light our own candles round here,,,, generally,,,,,,it's a research lab, and a thinktank,,,

etc etc

¤=[Post Update]=¤

great idea mr greybeard,,,


cosmic love to you





Hi folks, i have a question i would like to ask , of the forum and of Bill, if that's ok ?

I would like to note that the business with regard to elenin displaying a 3 dimensional tetrahedron during, before or after the disintegration i find most interesting, and there is extremely compelling indirect evidence that this was a controlled and manufactured event carried out by The Galactic Federation of Light on behalf of, or, with The Ascended Masters.
My Question therefore is,,,,

Do you , Bill and fellow avalons believe this is a possible scenario and do you believe a group of entities/human hybrids etc etc exsist both in our dimension and or an ethereal dimension for example over the gobi desert and are Known commonly as, the Ascended Masters/ white brotherhood/GLF ?

Cosmic Love

That might be worth a Poll.

Chris

[Eric J (Viking)]

Today, Sept 14, 2011, Comet Elenin is visible in the northern hemisphere according to the JPL website, which is only a reference tool. Hopefully some amateur astronomers will put this issue to rest and direct others where to look.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=elenin;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/rexrex166/Other%20Pics/elenin914.jpg

Perhaps we should change the title of this thread to ...

'Is Elenin still on course and lets try to be rational'

viking

This was a genuine request and not a 'I told you so' statement and or sarcasm intended ... lets get real and do what's right regardless of who posts what!!

It is confusing for any outsiders to pick up on when we have so many other sources telling us a different story...this is not verified or substantiated...Elenin is not dead!!

viking

[Hervé]

The evidence i have seen is mostly channeled, at least thats assuming that my idea of channeling and yours might differ a bit,for example my idea of 99% of channeled communication is that it's deliberate and localised signal from a satelite and or ship in near or close -ish orbit and the act has deliberate intent for propanganda effect,,,

So it's not the content of the channel that is relevant here, but who has been transmitting the message that is paramount to investigating the effect

if channeling is direct communication then that is what it is,,,and it's done by an entity that has access to some fairly tidy kit...........

We know the elites answer to an energy above themselves,,,,,,,,,,,

we know the symbolism behind any image,,,,,,,,,

and it's all down to personal interpretation depending on one's experience,,,,

if one was to answer the question presented with evidence , one can easily go look ,it's all on-line,,,,,,,

we light our own candles round here,,,, generally,,,,,,it's a research lab, and a thinktank,,,

etc etc

[...]

Thanks for the clarification.

In that light, then take a good listen at what dear Mr. Hoagland says in this video:

MSWqTf-5EvM

[Hervé]

[...]

...Elenin is not dead!!

viking

Elenin as a single piece/comet is dead! The remnants of the disintegrated/disaggregated core/nucleus will still follow the original comet's path... throw a cookie in a river and watch it disaggregate along the current, would you call the crumbs a "cookie?" or just crumbs?

[Eric J (Viking)]

[...]

...Elenin is not dead!!

viking

Elenin as a single piece/comet is dead! The remnants of the disintegrated/disaggregated core/nucleus will still follow the original comet's path... throw a cookie in a river and watch it disaggregate along the current, would you call the crumbs a "cookie?" or just crumbs?

Like I said lots of different stories floating around>>>

Disintegrate = To become reduced to components, fragments, or particles. I'll quote you on that one Amzer... ;-)

Have a good day...

viking

[Hervé]

Yep there's even an old story:


9922

[Agape]

I would like to add something completely irrational .. ;)

There are tens of comets flying in and out the Solar system every year . Most can't be seen with naked eye such as you won't be probably able to catch the sight of Elenin unless you have telescope .

Now why did this particular comet cause such a hype ?

Lets think. I've had a very strong dream experience last night that had something to do with flying pyramid ( NO, it was NOT E-lenin ) .

But I believe in peoples sensitivity and intuition this time , sensing presence of possible fly-by of what ... a Ship .

The difference between possible AI ( a Ship ) and Comet is that a Ship of such a calibre we consider here would not be detectable by telescopes unless it moves really near and slows down.

The speed inter-planetary ( inter-galactic in this case ) Ships move is something like thousands of miles per second but /and they are extremely precise in their movement and not predictable any way at all. Remember that AI of such a calibre can stop at any time and show off and daze away before you notice.

Elenin is not a Ship . Ships do not have tails , anyway . But for some less known reason many people keep sensing Ship .

I can but tell you that if there is one, it's not on your radars unless it wishes to be .


The quickest ( but unfortunately also least reliable ) instrument to detect it you have is your mind .



:angel:

[Ammit]

Come on now, lets get a grip, no one can state any such crap without proof, so where is the proof eh......nuff said before I get banned..........................

[Ammit]

Actually, no F it. I have a car, an aston martin DB7 and it just got pinched off my drive, how do I prove this??
I wont but you prove to me I did not have one in the first place..........

[Agape]

It's not my meaning . Look at it closely, look at yourself ...so you keep discussing this for good half year or more so whom or what are you calling crap now ? ;)

Look at all your 'seers' and all the discussion going on . I did not take part in all the hype . I am remaining as rational as possible. No need for argument here either .

I'm trying to explain to you your own psychology not being a chance . It's obviously not working of one man. Someone started the movement and others followed with their 'sensations' and super-projections of their visions to this innocent comet.
There's no proof about any of it being true, it's all guesses .


I'm just trying to explain to you, logically , how human psychology works and suppose there is organized AI in Space what it may cause to happen .


Don't jump on me , I'm merely trying to be helpful. If you don't understand look back you're simply taking a ride here and possibly it has a cause ..



:pray:

[Ammit]

Agape, my replies were in no way directed at you. If Elenin is reported as broken up and now gone then, where is the proof?. Again we are looking at one persons belief that they have chosen the right speck of light to look at and anothers comments which sadly sound demeaning.

[joedjemal]

I don't trust any channelled information. I think the gfl are some sort of cult or mind game. I'd be more likely to believe them if they could put up some images of what's out there. They're supposed to have very high technology surely they could upload a few photos.

Something about them doesn't ring true.


Addendum not that keen on the idea of masters, ascended or not. I think we've had enough of all that.

[Agape]

Agape, my replies were in no way directed at you. If Elenin is reported as broken up and now gone then, where is the proof?. Again we are looking at one persons belief that they have chosen the right speck of light to look at and anothers comments which sadly sound demeaning.

Ok, thanks :) No, it will be still visible in telescopes later on this month so can be possibly determined what is its state actually.
I suggest taking expert course in comets though, they're not one like another ..


P.S. I don't do 'channeled information either .

[Ammit]

You all think Elenin is dead, fine, I will just believe that which I wish..

[Agape]

The comet did not cause the irrational hype surrounding it is what I meant to say .

I'm just trying to point to something called synergy, synchronicity of events . Try to put all the rationale on one side and all the 'sensations' to other side ,
it's not going to provide you with any immediate solution but it will keep you in good view of what's going on here ..

Pointing to possible interference from out of space intelligence that is not likely being detectable in its true form but it's actually , being visible in your 'erratic behavior' like in the mirror .


Just an observation sorry :angel:

[Hervé]

Lights going out for Elenin:



Thursday, September 15, 2011
[...]
Comet Elenin Fades Even More

The latest image of Elenin (http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm) from Michael Mattiazzo (Sept 14th, taken under difficult circumstances), show a much reduced comet which has faded to magnitude 10 or so. It is doubtful that it will be bright enough to see in the SOHO LASCO cameras. We will probably have to wait until October for powerful Earth-based telescopes to try and find if any of the comet survives.

UPDATE: Comet Al reports that Elenin is still visible in the STEREO HI1A imager, see his animation in Flickr (http://flic.kr/p/anic1K). He estimates the comet is around magnitude 11 or so, pretty much agreeing with Michael's earth-bound estimates.
Labels: comets (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/search/label/comets)

From: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/

[Andre]

Hi Bill,

... I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind me asking. Firstly, can you offer some insight into your thoughts on the so-called "galactic energy wave"? I'm interested to hear your take on this as my own research has led me to formulate the opinion that the wave indeed exists and is already starting to have certain "affects" on our planet. And secondly, what do you think about the fact that our planet is currently making its way back into the "balance/zero point" of the galactic plane and the theories that suggest this may also have some kind of affect on the planet?

Cheers
Dan

Hi Dan,

Although you have directed your question at Bill, I feel compelled to respond so I hope you don't mind if I use your questions as a starting point.

Although I have enormous respect for Bill and his work, I cannot agree with several of the opinions he has expressed above. I, for one, don't agree with his dismissive view of the Mayan Calendar. ("It's just a calendar"). Anyone who has studied the Mayan calendars to any degree, would not and could not make such a dismissive comment. The Mayan Calendar is one of the most remarkable pieces of galactic timekeeping the world has ever seen. It's astronomical calculations and advanced mathematics are second to none. The Mayans are humanity's galactic timekeepers. And they have calculated that 2012 is a pivotal year for humanity and its evolution. It doesn't mean something cataclysmic is going to happen next year but it is very relevant that, as you also remind us, the Sun is currently aligning with the galactic plane and that this alignment is forcing a return to balance.

On this planet, we are only now beginning to understand the subject of hyper dimensional science and so our knowledge of how the galactic plane might influence our consciousness is almost non-existent. However, we do have a thorough understanding of the impact of our own planetary cycles on our consciousness and herein can be found a big clue about what might be going on at a galactic level. I'm talking about astrology. We may not know very much about how astrology actually works, but we do know that it has a profound impact on our consciousness. Surely, it is easy to extrapolate and surmise that our galaxy and our galactic center also influences our consciousness, albeit at a marco scale. The Mayans were clearly aware of these influences and they were actually able to measure their time frame. The 26,000 year precessional cycle is one of their more widely known meaurements. These celestial cycles are real. And to so readily dismiss them by saying "it's just a calendar" is the height of folly.

While I am on the subject, I will also proffer an opinion that, as interesting as Carl Calleman's work is, it has no relationship to the Mayan Calendar. I've studied his book and, although it is a fascinating concept, it is definitely not Mayan - and it is full of flaws. Carl may be like some other western thinkers who labor under the false belief that they can elaborate on indigenous wisdom without first studying it in depth. Whenever I am asked about where to find accurate information on the Mayan Calendar, I always suggest the work of John Major Jenkins. His books are difficult to digest, but if you hang in there, you'll find a wealth of information on what the calendars most likely meant.

Now, on the subject of ascension, there is so much plausible material in the public domain about an impending dimensional shift on this planet that I cannot take Bill's flippant remarks on this subject very seriously either. If he is simply trying to dispel 2012 hype, I would suggest that this is the wrong way to go about it. If, on the other hand, our collective 3D timeline has shifted so much that a dimensional shift is now unlikely or unnecessary, and Bill has some new information regarding this, then I would suggest he shares it.

I really don't have an opinion about the new age idea of a higher dimensional Earth splitting from our 3D world. However, in the hermetic sciences and most metaphysical teachings, you will find that new expressions in 3D always begin in higher dimensions and filter down to 3D. In the human mind, this is how imagination becomes reality. It is why vision mapping and other modern mind tricks work. Thoughts have form. That form is birthed in a higher dimension. We then "manifest" it in our 3D reality. So, if we, as a human collective, are creating a leap in consciousness, which we clearly are, then it is plausible that we are also giving birth to a higher dimensional Earth. I don't see this as "reductio ad absurdum" as Bill puts it, unless he's simply referring to some kind of absurd proposition that the Earth will somehow shed its physical skin and a second Earth will "pop-out".

I am firmly convinced that at our current rate of planetary destruction, chaos and resource depletion, we have no choice but to rely on our higher faculties to survive and thrive. We must vision a new Earth because third dimensional thinking alone cannot solve the challenges our planet currently faces. As the hopi have said, "we are the ones we're waiting for". It's up to us.

[AuCo]

Bill could you give your perspective on Chemtrails, if you believe they exist and if in fact, what are their relative purposes. Thanks ~W.F.~

Kerry and I were told back at the end of 2007, by an insider who could very well have known what he was talking about, that this article was pretty close to the mark:

http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm

excerpt from above article:
"People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons."

Wow, I've been pondering where these came from. Thanks for the pointer, Bill. I might have been tagged.:doh:

[princesslovercup]

Lots of reading. Not enough time. What's the latest?

what I meant was about Comet elenin. Sorry.

[mountain_jim]

Well don't shoot the messenger but I thought this was interesting. Amazing how much interest/info/disinfo this little Elenin has sparked. :)

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,830.0.html

the poster at chani, has several posts which are copied from the thread he links to at GLP. Since I abhor GLP, have not gone to that thread to watch the original poster(s) / debunkers free-for-all there. Just thought this was a new idea/take on the Elenin info stream.

Guess that means I still have not returned to rationality, assuming I was ever there. :)

I think I am going to join Chani, as the sci-fi imaginative idea level is high there it seems, even if the truth level remains to be ascertained.



Comet Elenin Scientific Evidence of mass 20 times greater than Earth
« on: Today at 02:50:08 AM »

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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1640482/pg1

This is the BEST publicly available data and scientific analysis, which shows that Comet Elenin has a mass 10 to 20 times larger than Earth.

The following report is offered as a public service, and contains ONLY information that is publicly available. I have no access to classified information, and am not sworn to any secrecy oaths. I have spent (wasted?) years worrying my ass off over this subject, and as a service to my fellow human beings, I'm giving you my best, and most credible, research results. My calculations show that the "comet" is very massive, but will not come CLOSE enough to Earth to cause global devastation (well, not by water, anyway!) This report includes enough data for you to calculate the "comet" mass yourself, so you don't need to trust me, or anybody else! I'm not being paid by anybody to do this, so I'm donating months of my time and research for the common good.

Millions of people are VERY worried about this "comet", and that is permitting the filthy bankers all the time they need to set us up for WWIII. Hopefully, with this new information on "comet" Elenin, we can finally set aside our main fears, and get on with the task of removing the corrupt parasites who are killing us, and our planet.

Gravitational Microlensing shown on Nasa videos

"Comet" Elenin has enough mass to cause "gravitational microlensing", as shown in the Nasa Stereo Behind videos from August 1, and August 20, 2011.

Gravitational microlensing, is the temporary brightening of a background star, as the "comet" passes directly in front of the star. That brightening is CLEARLY shown in both the Nasa Stereo Behind videos, and was witnessed by two amateur astronomers. If you watch the August 20th video, you will see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, get much brighter, and smear out into a 90 degree arc (also, the brightest frame was deleted before public release.) The overall brightness of the two, superimposed, is MUCH brighter than each of them separately. It is better to download the large jpegs directly from Nasa here [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] To download the jpegs, select telescope=>HI1, resolution=1024x1024, start date=20110820, end date=leave blank, click "search". Then, click "download all Behind HI1". You will have to step through each jpeg, or assemble them into a video, to see the brightening of the background star.

Or, if you don't want to download the high res jpegs, you can watch this youtube in full screen mode. The brightening happens on August 20, which is the only time it passes over a distinct star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Nasa has a short animation explaining "gravitational microlensing", and it shows how they use it to discover large, dark planets. Please watch this short video, to understand the importance of the Nasa and YouTube videos. Note that this technique works better when the dark object is far away, but it still works even with super-close "comet" Elenin, which indicates a large mass.

video title: NASA - Lone Planet Under a Cosmic Magnifying Glass [link to www.nasa.gov]

The brightening effect is also clearly shown in the Nasa August 1 video here [link to spaceobs.org] Right click the GIF, save it, and re-open it in your browser, or a graphics program, then play it with 8X magnification. You can easily see the background star "glom" onto Elenin, form an arc, and get much brighter. It gets so much brighter, that the detector saturates, and goes to solid white. This increase is absolute proof of the high mass of the front lensing object.

The fact that the background star was not dimmed by the coma of the "comet", but instead, was made brighter as Elenin passed in front of it, is PROOF that Elenin is NOT A COMET! It is also proof of the large mass of Elenin. No more discussion or speculation is needed on those topics, unless the Nasa videos can be proven to be faulty.

It is amazing to me, that no one has mentioned this lensing effect. "Real" astronomers spotted it immediately, but are keeping mum about it. Probably many of them have already done the calculations, as shown, below.

The gravitational microlensing effect happens quickly and disappears quickly if the massive object is moving in front of a distant star. Spirals and bright "C" shapes are commonly seen in gravitational microlensing. The arcs of light are known as "Einstein Rings". Comet Elenin is now moving rapidly over the background stars, so the Einstein rings would appear for only a minute, just as witnessed, below. Without a large aperture telescope, and a fast exposure, the rings cannot be imaged. Instead, with a small telescope, and long exposure, the rings will show up, as described in the video (below), looking like the spindle spacer of a 45 rpm record.



and next post followed from same poster at Chani forum - anomallie



Nasa has made 2200 observations of Comet Elenin, and has published NONE of the still images! Probably, many of their images show gravitational microlensing, so they CANNOT show their own images, without disclosing the large mass of the object.

Amateur astronomers have also witnessed the gravitational lensing effect, such as youtuber "ThePerfectMinds" (Francis Walsh), and CRU4T, formerly a member of the Terral Croft group.

Francis Walsh witnessed "a spiral" around Comet Elenin on June 30, using the robotic telescopes in Mayhill, New Mexico (Global Rent a Scope).

Here is the youtube where Francis Walsh discusses seeing the "Einstein ring" spiral - fast forward to 4:11, and also to 17:45. (He is NOT an astronomer! He had NO IDEA of what he was seeing!!!)

video title: Comet Elenin Report 20110630 by Nibiru Tracker 2012 "I Saw a Spiral" C/2010 X1 "contour" view [link to www.youtube.com]


Red Fireball and moons seen in telescope

Here is another youtube where Francis shows what Comet Elenin looks like with a red filter. It is HUGE, red, and angry looking. But, with blue or green filters, it looks small and dim. The ancient warnings (Kolbrin, etc) say the planet killer is a fiery red color.

Fast forward to 9:13. When he sees the giant red blob of Elenin, he panics and suddenly pulls his camera down, muttering something about having to clean the lens! It makes you wonder if he was told to NOT show a giant red blob. Francis is probably a gate-keeper, as he NEVER gives the coordinates, so no one else can verify his observations. Most likely he is being paid to be the go-to guy for real time images for the sheeple - a classic gate-keeping operation. He knows literally nothing about astronomy, so why he is so deep into it, is a real mystery.

video title: NEW! Latest Comet Elenin image enhancement inspection "33" of 20110722 [link to www.youtube.com]

In the same video, at 17:30, he captured what looks like FOUR MOONS orbiting the central body: [link to www.youtube.com]

New images from Australia show a sudden brightening, just look at the August 29 series. You'll see a sudden bright blob, even though the coma stays the same: [link to members.westnet.com.au]

Here is a video being pushed by Leonid Elenin (CIA disinfo guy), showing the "comet" traveling BETWEEN stars, not over them. Obviously, there is NO lensing effect, unless the "comet" moves directly in front of a star. [link to www.youtube.com]

Various astronomers are saying the "comet" is disintegrating, mostly based on it's suddenly getting brighter, then darker, as they assume the ball of ice is vaporizing into ice crystals. However, the author thinks the lensing effect may explain the brightening, and darkening. The lack of an appreciable coma is consistent with a high gravity object.

All the talk about Comet Elenin turning and breaking up is just "ignant". The shockwave that supposedly hit the "comet" was just a lens flare (internal lens reflection) caused by the brightness of Jupiter, to the right. The slowing and turning of Elenin is caused by it rotating directly away from the Stereo B satellite, due to it's natural orbit. Sorry, but no breakup, and no intelligent "control" there. I wish it was...


"Comet" mass calculation

Now, the big question is, WHAT IS THE MASS (and what will it do to Earth at the expected distance)? By measuring the apparent angular size of the brightening area around the "comet", compared to its normal size, the mass of the gravity lens can be calculated.

Then, after the mass is known, by doing a simple (mass/radius squared) comparison with Earth's Moon, we can calculate how high the ocean tides will be. That will tell us how many BILLIONS of people could die when this thing gets close to earth, and what the safe elevation MIGHT be.

Both calculations are easy to do for an astrophysicist, but ONLY if the exact angular sizes are available. Since we only have some crappy video frames to go by, the following mass calculation is only A ROUGH ESTIMATE!

[passiglight]

Totally agree with your op there agape your on the money as usual,,,,,,,


This is most definitely the work of the GLoF and ascended crew in my opinion,,,,,,,,,


Sincerely hope you are chilled and good frequency :-)

Cosmic energy




Agape, my replies were in no way directed at you. If Elenin is reported as broken up and now gone then, where is the proof?. Again we are looking at one persons belief that they have chosen the right speck of light to look at and anothers comments which sadly sound demeaning.

Ok, thanks :) No, it will be still visible in telescopes later on this month so can be possibly determined what is its state actually.
I suggest taking expert course in comets though, they're not one like another ..


P.S. I don't do 'channeled information either .

[nearing]

Well don't shoot the messenger but I thought this was interesting. Amazing how much interest/info/disinfo this little Elenin has sparked. :)

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,830.0.html

the poster at chani, has several posts which are copied from the thread he links to at GLP. Since I abhor GLP, have not gone to that thread to watch the original poster(s) / debunkers free-for-all there. Just thought this was a new idea/take on the Elenin info stream.

Guess that means I still have not returned to rationality, assuming I was ever there. :)

I think I am going to join Chani, as the sci-fi imaginative idea level is high there it seems, even if the truth level remains to be ascertained.





The fact that the background star was not dimmed by the coma of the "comet", but instead, was made brighter as Elenin passed in front of it, is PROOF that Elenin is NOT A COMET! It is also proof of the large mass of Elenin. No more discussion or speculation is needed on those topics, unless the Nasa videos can be proven to be faulty.




and next post followed from same poster at Chani forum - anomallie



Nasa has made 2200 observations of Comet Elenin, and has published NONE of the still images! Probably, many of their images show gravitational microlensing, so they CANNOT show their own images, without disclosing the large mass of the object.



Various astronomers are saying the "comet" is disintegrating, mostly based on it's suddenly getting brighter, then darker, as they assume the ball of ice is vaporizing into ice crystals. However, the author thinks the lensing effect may explain the brightening, and darkening. The lack of an appreciable coma is consistent with a high gravity object.

All the talk about Comet Elenin turning and breaking up is just "ignant". The shockwave that supposedly hit the "comet" was just a lens flare (internal lens reflection) caused by the brightness of Jupiter, to the right. The slowing and turning of Elenin is caused by it rotating directly away from the Stereo B satellite, due to it's natural orbit. Sorry, but no breakup, and no intelligent "control" there. I wish it was...


"Comet" mass calculation

Now, the big question is, WHAT IS THE MASS (and what will it do to Earth at the expected distance)? By measuring the apparent angular size of the brightening area around the "comet", compared to its normal size, the mass of the gravity lens can be calculated.

Then, after the mass is known, by doing a simple (mass/radius squared) comparison with Earth's Moon, we can calculate how high the ocean tides will be. That will tell us how many BILLIONS of people could die when this thing gets close to earth, and what the safe elevation MIGHT be.

Both calculations are easy to do for an astrophysicist, but ONLY if the exact angular sizes are available. Since we only have some crappy video frames to go by, the following mass calculation is only A ROUGH ESTIMATE!


Thanks for this mountainjim!

I quoted the parts I found most interesting. We have our own in house physicist (not astro) here, I am going to send this to him and see if he will comment.

[Hervé]

Well don't shoot the messenger but I thought this was interesting. Amazing how much interest/info/disinfo this little Elenin has sparked. :)

http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,830.0.html

[...]


Interesting piece indeed.

Does anyone know if Stereo B had to be repositioned after comet Elenin got so close to it?

[mountain_jim]

Well I could not keep myself out of the GLP thread... so let me put my Bill hat on :)
and include this quote from a poster there



"If it is so big and <cussword> then why did it have absolutely ZERO effect on one of the Stereo satellites when it got within .02 AUs of it in early August?

All is well...please return to your previous doomtard activity.


and



There are NO 'Einstein Rings' in ANY of those Videos by Francis. Note, you do NOT use a 'contour' to see an Einstein Ring. What you are seeing is the 'contour' turn just about every nearby star into an 'Einstein Ring'. Haven't any of you noticed this? An Einstein Ring would only be around the ONE STAR that the object passed in front of, not any close by star! This is complete Bull. If there was a Ring present, you wouldn't need to apply a contour to see it. This is what it would look like;
[link to www.astro.cornell.edu]
Why are there Rings around stars that are not anywhere close to the Comet after the 'contour'? Because it was caused by the contour and IS NOT an Einstein Ring. There aren't any Rings around the Stereo B images either. The whole first part of this 'story' is BS, and the rest just piles it deeper


So maybe I should have read/researched further than page 1 before stirring the pot? Sorry. :)

[Kimberley]

Dr Carl Calleman thinks Elenin is significant...

Here is the link to an internet audio stream featuring Dr. Carl J. Calleman Cosmic Convergence worldwide event September 23-26, 2011

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2011/09/16/dr-carl-calleman-cosmic-convergence-923-2611-interview-1


Thank you for sharing!! ♥

A Special "Living In The NOW" presentation featuring Dr. Carl Calleman interview

about how to participate in the Cosmic Convergence worldwide event September 23-26, 2011

Hosted by Kimberley Jaeger

Dr. Calleman's web site: http://www.calleman.com/

Please mark youself as attending on this FaceBook Event Page:

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[truthseekerdan]

Dr Carl Calleman thinks Elenin is significant...

Here is the link to an internet audio stream featuring Dr. Carl J. Calleman Cosmic Convergence worldwide event September 23-26, 2011

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2011/09/16/dr-carl-calleman-cosmic-convergence-923-2611-interview-1


Thank you for sharing!! ♥

A Special "Living In The NOW" presentation featuring Dr. Carl Calleman interview

about how to participate in the Cosmic Convergence worldwide event September 23-26, 2011

Hosted by Kimberley Jaeger

Dr. Calleman's web site: http://www.calleman.com/

Please mark youself as attending on this FaceBook Event Page:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=138019829619575

And thank you for inviting all your friends

PDF flyer for the event:

http://www.mayanmajix.com/cc_back.pdf


**************************************

Teleconference with Carl Johan Calleman Sunday October 9, 2011 at 7:30pm EST

http://www.theemergenceproject.net/events.htm


*************************************

So Kimberley, you're the one hosting this teleconference?

[Kimberley]

No I am not hosting the teleconference. It is a non profit organization in the Boston Ma area that is promoting 2012 shift information.!!

[truth4me]

excerpt from above article:
"People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons."

Wow, I've been pondering where these came from. Thanks for the pointer, Bill. I might have been tagged.:doh: a few years back I would hear a person talking or sounding like they were using a walkie talkie in my room yet no one was around. I haven't heard that in awhile.

[ShawnDotFree]

Just to follow up on nearing's recommendation to sanity check the link that Mountain_Jim provided (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1640482/pg1), here are a couple of thoughts on why the claim that gravitational lensing is being seen and that the mass of Elenin is 10-20 earth masses. I just followed the link, and very thoughtfully, full details on the calculation were provided. That was very helpful! Anyways, here are a few thoughts.
1. The radius of the object used in the calculation to estimate the mass was 4000 meters. That does not paint a consistent physical scenario, at least in my mind. How dense would an object have to be to pack 20 earth masses in an object of radius 4000 meters? Answer--7x10^13 kg/m^3, or about 10,000 times the density of a white dwarf and close to the critical density where the object would be moving toward neutron star territory. But how would such a "small" object achieve this density? There is not enough matter there to create gravitational forces strong enough to pack the material in so tight.
2. The image (http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/08/03/pervye-snimki-komety-elenina-so-stereo-b/) analyzed to give input values for the gravitational lensing calculation does not seem to be resolved enough to accurately measure any gravitational microlensing angle.
3. Why would a massive object of 10-20 earth masses have a coma consistent with a comet, i.e., an object of less mass by a factor of at least 10^10? If the object was that massive, it's gravitational pull would keep that dust hugged tight to the surface!

Alright, just my three-cents for now. Have a great weekend, everyone!

[mountain_jim]

Answer--7x10^13 kg/m^3, or about 10,000 times the density of a white dwarf and close to the critical density where the object would be moving toward neutron star territory. But how would such a "small" object achieve this density? There is not enough matter there to create gravitational forces strong enough to pack the material in so tight.


Thanks! I don't disagree, and appreciate the science as it comes. The 'neutron star' did remind me of a later post in the GLP thread, from 'insider' , (isn't everybody claiming that these days?) :) :



The object ELEnin is not a comet but a small "N.S.V"

NSV stands for: Neutron Star Variant.

What makes a "Variant" Neutron Star is its small size.

The NSV ELEnin is a very small, very dense, dark star with greater density than our Sun.

The size of ELEnin is very small but the density is off the charts!

ELEnin has the greatest density of any object ever observed before by modern science!

It has been observed that when the NSV ELEnin gets into close straight alignment with any planet in our system and our Sun an energetic connection is made and the
rapid transfer of energy between the three bodies occurs.....

[Bill Ryan]

Lots of reading. Not enough time. What's the latest?


Here's the latest. :)

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2011/09/16/comet-elenin-teaches-us-to-sit-still-and-pay-attention

Comet Elenin teaches us to sit still and pay attention

Photos below before and after disintegration (3 August, and on the right 3 days ago on 14 September):


http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/2011/09/Elenin-panel-AugSept-1024x611.jpg


The 'neutron star' did remind me of a later post in the GLP thread, from 'insider' , (isn't everybody claiming that these days?) :) :



The object ELEnin is not a comet but a small "N.S.V"

NSV stands for: Neutron Star Variant.

What makes a "Variant" Neutron Star is its small size.

The NSV ELEnin is a very small, very dense, dark star with greater density than our Sun.

The size of ELEnin is very small but the density is off the charts!

ELEnin has the greatest density of any object ever observed before by modern science!
As Jack Sarfatti likes to say, this is so silly "it's not even wrong". If the above were true, I'd not be here to write this post and you'd certainly not be reading it! :)

[passiglight]

Bill your picture above looks adulterated,,,,,,,there is much detail missing in the after pic,,,,,,,,

My rational tells me ,,,,,,

elenin is an AI craft,,,,,,,and it is going to be used as the herald of the EVENT that is just about to happen,,, and that is the formal disclosure and mass landing of our near and most influential galactic neighbours and cousins from Agartha.......

Thereby introducing us to the ascended masters and the GFol,,,,,,,,,

I also take note of your excellent evidence with regard to Chemtrails,,,,,,and totally agree with that information,,,,,,,,i might also add to that,,,the atmspheric conditions that have been manufactured since the inception of this nasty stuff was introduced to the environment, would also benefit the arrival extraordinare of the aforementioned beings,,,,in that the planet could be used as one huge great big hologram machine,,,,great setting for an exotic entrance,,,,,,,

cosmic greetings

[Tony]

So, much ado about nothing!

[Agape]

Totally agree with your op there agape your on the money as usual,,,,,,,


This is most definitely the work of the GLoF and ascended crew in my opinion,,,,,,,,,


Sincerely hope you are chilled and good frequency :-)

Cosmic energy




Agape, my replies were in no way directed at you. If Elenin is reported as broken up and now gone then, where is the proof?. Again we are looking at one persons belief that they have chosen the right speck of light to look at and anothers comments which sadly sound demeaning.

Ok, thanks :) No, it will be still visible in telescopes later on this month so can be possibly determined what is its state actually.
I suggest taking expert course in comets though, they're not one like another ..


P.S. I don't do 'channeled information either .




Passiglight, no I don't agree or think that Comet Elenin is AI craft . The question about it's disintegration is highly speculative at the moment which is due to its proximity to the Sun yet away from telescopic range we are able to access ,
at least till the end of this month .

So anyone can claim anything about it .


In the dream two nights ago , I've actually seen and communicated with even , something I could vaguely describe as lighted flying pyramid.
It was completely clear and bright object and looked empty from inside , just had light edges and light signs in 3 levels in it . Can't estimate how big or far it was because it was not hovering any near , in the dream it appeared to be about in distance of Moon or even further but shone brightly .
It was very powerful and evoked fear . It approached little closer and started scanning the ground .
It had overpowering energy and all I advised my companions ( in the dream ) was duck to the ground, don't think, don't move.

I felt responsible somehow to face the energy though and though I'd instinctively hide as well, I decided to allow it to 'scan me' instead . The energy was all around, I can't say if it was biological intelligence or AI , there were no 'beings' I could discern. When it was 'scanning the ground' , it felt/looked like thousands of some small animals running through the space, through us.
It virtually recorded all information it found within the group of individuals in that area and left.
You could say it was AI collecting information .

I understood in an instant 'what is it doing to peoples minds' , this may apply to many other physical ET encounters and interference. The people affected or rather their minds, behaved bit strange ever after.

Because of the energy overpowering their mind at that time they would become fixed on certain thoughts or themes , repeatedly occuring in their minds, without them knowing why. Simply everyday things, pieces of information.

What this ETI did, it completely ignored 'mind' as such, it did not/does not understand 'mind' the way we do, it sees mind as pieces of information acquired eleswhere that can be scrapped or replaced anytime.

The way I actually faced it was with my heart and deeper feelings. Nothing like telepathy or expression, it purely reacted to my live 'set-up' while ignoring the rest. So I found it's not AI exactly either .


Oh and well, the object could move as fast as it wished and was not obscured in any way . What came to my mind later in this connection..
is that many people were getting 'mental input' , intuitions and feedback the whole time ..
but Elenin the comet served exactly as a 'cover' .


I hope this helps ..



I'd do good to sleep more perhaps ;)

[passiglight]

Ther's only 3 things you need to make this planet the most perfect paradise,,,,,,,,,

1 is the ability to fix and heal ourselves

2 is a replicator for everyone who wants one

3 a very friendly galactic policeman

It is no mere coincidence that solar objects are all the talk right now,,,,

Everyone is saying,,,"something big is brewing"

Well we know it's the ascension crew and the Galactic neighborhood watch, who are about to step over the threshold,,,,,,,,,,

and i'm sure they will make a grand entrance,,,,

and elenin, which is just about the most controversial object in the sky right now,, fits the remit for the limo,,,,,,,

cosmic cruisings

[scootiep]

Hi Bill,

... I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind me asking. Firstly, can you offer some insight into your thoughts on the so-called "galactic energy wave"? I'm interested to hear your take on this as my own research has led me to formulate the opinion that the wave indeed exists and is already starting to have certain "affects" on our planet. And secondly, what do you think about the fact that our planet is currently making its way back into the "balance/zero point" of the galactic plane and the theories that suggest this may also have some kind of affect on the planet?

Cheers
Dan

Hi Dan,

Although you have directed your question at Bill, I feel compelled to respond so I hope you don't mind if I use your questions as a starting point.

Although I have enormous respect for Bill and his work, I cannot agree with several of the opinions he has expressed above. I, for one, don't agree with his dismissive view of the Mayan Calendar. ("It's just a calendar"). Anyone who has studied the Mayan calendars to any degree, would not and could not make such a dismissive comment. The Mayan Calendar is one of the most remarkable pieces of galactic timekeeping the world has ever seen. It's astronomical calculations and advanced mathematics are second to none. The Mayans are humanity's galactic timekeepers. And they have calculated that 2012 is a pivotal year for humanity and its evolution. It doesn't mean something cataclysmic is going to happen next year but it is very relevant that, as you also remind us, the Sun is currently aligning with the galactic plane and that this alignment is forcing a return to balance.

On this planet, we are only now beginning to understand the subject of hyper dimensional science and so our knowledge of how the galactic plane might influence our consciousness is almost non-existent. However, we do have a thorough understanding of the impact of our own planetary cycles on our consciousness and herein can be found a big clue about what might be going on at a galactic level. I'm talking about astrology. We may not know very much about how astrology actually works, but we do know that it has a profound impact on our consciousness. Surely, it is easy to extrapolate and surmise that our galaxy and our galactic center also influences our consciousness, albeit at a marco scale. The Mayans were clearly aware of these influences and they were actually able to measure their time frame. The 26,000 year precessional cycle is one of their more widely known meaurements. These celestial cycles are real. And to so readily dismiss them by saying "it's just a calendar" is the height of folly.

While I am on the subject, I will also proffer an opinion that, as interesting as Carl Calleman's work is, it has no relationship to the Mayan Calendar. I've studied his book and, although it is a fascinating concept, it is definitely not Mayan - and it is full of flaws. Carl may be like some other western thinkers who labor under the false belief that they can elaborate on indigenous wisdom without first studying it in depth. Whenever I am asked about where to find accurate information on the Mayan Calendar, I always suggest the work of John Major Jenkins. His books are difficult to digest, but if you hang in there, you'll find a wealth of information on what the calendars most likely meant.

Now, on the subject of ascension, there is so much plausible material in the public domain about an impending dimensional shift on this planet that I cannot take Bill's flippant remarks on this subject very seriously either. If he is simply trying to dispel 2012 hype, I would suggest that this is the wrong way to go about it. If, on the other hand, our collective 3D timeline has shifted so much that a dimensional shift is now unlikely or unnecessary, and Bill has some new information regarding this, then I would suggest he shares it.

I really don't have an opinion about the new age idea of a higher dimensional Earth splitting from our 3D world. However, in the hermetic sciences and most metaphysical teachings, you will find that new expressions in 3D always begin in higher dimensions and filter down to 3D. In the human mind, this is how imagination becomes reality. It is why vision mapping and other modern mind tricks work. Thoughts have form. That form is birthed in a higher dimension. We then "manifest" it in our 3D reality. So, if we, as a human collective, are creating a leap in consciousness, which we clearly are, then it is plausible that we are also giving birth to a higher dimensional Earth. I don't see this as "reductio ad absurdum" as Bill puts it, unless he's simply referring to some kind of absurd proposition that the Earth will somehow shed its physical skin and a second Earth will "pop-out".

I am firmly convinced that at our current rate of planetary destruction, chaos and resource depletion, we have no choice but to rely on our higher faculties to survive and thrive. We must vision a new Earth because third dimensional thinking alone cannot solve the challenges our planet currently faces. As the hopi have said, "we are the ones we're waiting for". It's up to us.

Andre that was the best thing I have read on this forum for a long time keep on posting :)

I agree that to say the mayan calender is just a calender is absurd - this so called "just a calender" is more precise then anything we have to date and this was created from a civilisation that lived thousands of years ago.

Anybody that has not researched into the mayan calender should do so without being put off with what Bill has stated and not treat it as fact just because he has said so.

[Amysenthia]

This must be why I never had the desire to read much Elenin material. I never resonated as truth with me.

[sirac]

first complement of mechanism, Lion has very definitely spoken,
why say i, cause fo own development i read all i choose to ignore. biasing is an intrinsic of those who sift many phasing mechanisms in many domain,
but even highest tool i would have received [TOE], Was only a sorting mechanism of reality, so it allowed before even its depth is approached, just way of knowing that we sift through reality matrices,
but what is the central push on realities,,[1o3]
well i guess the way i spammed Inelia's thread out would be as a chariot mechanism, unknowingly i had to gain speed and pull up to everyone and deliver blows side to side, as said for the charioteer in Aeclectic site, allies are not allies in the regular sense of the word, but as mere to achieve an aim {my narrative base betrays evil, just say i choose to be quick rather than promote myself in the exact phrasage}
[2o3]
i must step away from even mechanisms.....{u guys hate it when sirac self posts, but sometimes i allow a blind Issac to lead to 3rd}, because my previous bent was to use prior mechanisms [those were personality based in MTBIsocionics modei am asshamed to say, just need for forensic] so as to exercise, my worst bent has been taking up newer broader,instant shift sincerity based mechanisms in same way,(it must be a good karmic thing while i had that bent that i did not go further)
[3o3]
weird chinese ufo things. merely from the modeling perspective i [now] have {other domains 'currentted' on me for the bad,if i might as-well pretend to be a kabalist, i would say in modeling-effect it would tend to be a bad drift on _ofthe3realities}, i say.....heer, i can describe where i've been how i've been but this is not the place...since i must even analyse myself so as to give myself free flow, since i can be said to ride with the hand of strong emotion, i in saying what i have to say, would have to show how my emotion rode to there. but i can't . okay, simple narrative. i had always imagined jets. at a point i imagined what i knew of how ufo's move, well, then what would their tactical attacks be,the speeds at which it occurs and weapon of load speeds. when i could model that, well it was as an accomplishment of imagination. forgot about it. me and a buddy went onto a sports field near a river one early dusk, sharing together our first lcd[together], so ...i do not care to explain to the chandra, but i notice what could be construed as civilian lights, the jet i thought about, than the dot seemed to rest, and not turn as a jet would, it merely traced back on path, but this time the ufo tactical attack speeds...that narrative not quite as flowery as the painting but that idea, one first had to wonder whether one was seeing what one was thinking, confirming(friend is not even into these stuff,). but get to this day. and i have these 'whatever u call them, as intp i despised the word emotion, here as taro man i know that they are apparently cups of irrationality,,,,,but this would be aim of TOE, to be free from all hte draw back of any of my learning mechanisms'..........but is still like some of the mean writers tricks i've picked up. ....that is why in sometimes, in a few short words, .... i cannot get your not knowing not remembering, saying something is strange or unknown. as if u prevent your fate.
and only one who can say that is one who is that
just one of the weird paradoxes i recrossed with todays tarot learnign of all major arcana, the suidalness is merely mechana of hangman from which even i must be free.
the mayan pages i've read perhasp again, it is only time space body by them perhaps, i have to kill all i eat , for some of their phase mechanisms ....perhaps i can see sows, first in me, but i fear always as by past experience that i will see it in the chandra too, that by mechana of stringing past and future so as to illuminate a context, they beset us with their mechanism. so it might be an ultimate sublimity of hangman to say that we must be free of even time too(i merely see to re-echo lion above)...that not aim. i hate what even my writing gives to me. i hate all of it for reward.(what a strange english phrase{i mean i don't want to take the rewards of systems and even when writing gives me a system of systems i have not had by other systems, even that to would i disgard, the other side of the phrase is that those who see it intrepet it by literal set. that one i don't mean}, i realize it is as a shard of glass, picked up wrongly it kills, but admitting that is what my works do. well which i admit. is why i'd merely choose to retreat for my own sublimity. the dates thing may have been a unfortuanate but good accident, in most it showed me who i really feared, and why i fear them , their mechanisms must be close to mine, and so i must know why i choose them for an enemy. enemy sometime. the windowantiwindow perhaps for billy meier, but really i want t o pick up anythin and throw it. that is my ultimate abstraction.mozard)

[sirac]

the hidden part of the above, is that i've had one time insight of what diamonds do. from the ufo remembrance thing. it is a logic system. one thing is thrown at a processor,
i hate it when the thrid thing, the thing produced is a voice of fear..or stupidity in strategy or stupidity in disposition or especially stupidity in what is for one man logical but for another man taken up as infection of mechanism.
and see paradox, who would speak as who is most likely to do. see i must hate these things writing has thought me,....only a good processor have i been.
someone gave me a good parable, i had been playing this game [hockey], and someone who had played many other games, picked up my stick and in 5minutes acheived the skill of the masters,
i was bad hockey player,
but what it showed me is that i am a mean phase mechanist.
& beeing young i'll have parogative for foolishness,
the hidden thing on the post above, about the ufo thing is that one can see what diamond processing is.
i am not shallow, many phase mechanisms i have considered, i am already in rotation, and that is how i'd choose to speak. ....though it only comes many times after rebirth,as the tarot would put it(not by the banal mechanisms of rebirth i had heard earlierware), what i saw on reality, is that it is like raw data, and that the statistical models one chooses to put to it, may either fail or may come to show what conclusions should be put to a thing.

statistical models on the chinese ufos are as such
somebody else put them their, they are invulnerable, so china knows not to do what it wanted to do, if indeed it was an instant decision type thing[in logistics aspects]
or china was displaying what they had,
or is it truely supreme no nation,
but this brings other modeling model in on that question.
i went to korea. i might have been a diamond so these things were unknowing accentuated. but someone caming in in that same period said, i felt dread that time. but nobody coming in at other months felt those same flurry of emotions. cause i am diamond i went forth victorious from that time...but i don't have many stories, so i wanted to know whether anyone else felt that and it was yes.
if i am diamond &can model into any dimension and so must explain emotions even to self, it would have been by one model mechanism,without so to speak being married to it, that i felt a massive demon herethen unlike any in strength i felt anywhere. the muslims would sayin contemporariness, evil are ufo. but what if ufo's are by other dimensional entityship(not your entity,word barrage on dasien as from heidegger) protectors or would attack from those to protect. i saw that like during one can say the same phase time,...7d-2weeks later that their was a massive conglomerium on utube of ufos over seoul. so was that prevention.
or was the chinese....see many modelings
and uidiots would only want to model on the emotion barrium , that of saying this, beig taken up wit hcurrents.forgive u .,...not really this shows realitive difference,but as u must know lioneven roars at me for coincidencey so i will tell u these mispells are for artist elagence...to show how hebrews modeled some aspects of bible. enjoy for i mean u but not really u. vast glass we have, i wish is that all may not be cut. as most incisive i msut choose time.
scion means not sci on but a root or branch taken from main branch and by last light taht shined in me from merovingians it is as for one that must survive on own but pick up all phase mechanisms as from fathers alread y daead
grreetings of the phase chard.sirac

[PHARAOH]

The best birthday gift i've gotten so far.

Thanks, Amigo!

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Bill,

... I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind me asking. Firstly, can you offer some insight into your thoughts on the so-called "galactic energy wave"? I'm interested to hear your take on this as my own research has led me to formulate the opinion that the wave indeed exists and is already starting to have certain "affects" on our planet. And secondly, what do you think about the fact that our planet is currently making its way back into the "balance/zero point" of the galactic plane and the theories that suggest this may also have some kind of affect on the planet?

Cheers
Dan

Hi Dan,

Although you have directed your question at Bill, I feel compelled to respond so I hope you don't mind if I use your questions as a starting point.

Although I have enormous respect for Bill and his work, I cannot agree with several of the opinions he has expressed above. I, for one, don't agree with his dismissive view of the Mayan Calendar. ("It's just a calendar"). Anyone who has studied the Mayan calendars to any degree, would not and could not make such a dismissive comment. The Mayan Calendar is one of the most remarkable pieces of galactic timekeeping the world has ever seen. It's astronomical calculations and advanced mathematics are second to none. The Mayans are humanity's galactic timekeepers. And they have calculated that 2012 is a pivotal year for humanity and its evolution. It doesn't mean something cataclysmic is going to happen next year but it is very relevant that, as you also remind us, the Sun is currently aligning with the galactic plane and that this alignment is forcing a return to balance.

On this planet, we are only now beginning to understand the subject of hyper dimensional science and so our knowledge of how the galactic plane might influence our consciousness is almost non-existent. However, we do have a thorough understanding of the impact of our own planetary cycles on our consciousness and herein can be found a big clue about what might be going on at a galactic level. I'm talking about astrology. We may not know very much about how astrology actually works, but we do know that it has a profound impact on our consciousness. Surely, it is easy to extrapolate and surmise that our galaxy and our galactic center also influences our consciousness, albeit at a marco scale. The Mayans were clearly aware of these influences and they were actually able to measure their time frame. The 26,000 year precessional cycle is one of their more widely known meaurements. These celestial cycles are real. And to so readily dismiss them by saying "it's just a calendar" is the height of folly.

While I am on the subject, I will also proffer an opinion that, as interesting as Carl Calleman's work is, it has no relationship to the Mayan Calendar. I've studied his book and, although it is a fascinating concept, it is definitely not Mayan - and it is full of flaws. Carl may be like some other western thinkers who labor under the false belief that they can elaborate on indigenous wisdom without first studying it in depth. Whenever I am asked about where to find accurate information on the Mayan Calendar, I always suggest the work of John Major Jenkins. His books are difficult to digest, but if you hang in there, you'll find a wealth of information on what the calendars most likely meant.

Now, on the subject of ascension, there is so much plausible material in the public domain about an impending dimensional shift on this planet that I cannot take Bill's flippant remarks on this subject very seriously either. If he is simply trying to dispel 2012 hype, I would suggest that this is the wrong way to go about it. If, on the other hand, our collective 3D timeline has shifted so much that a dimensional shift is now unlikely or unnecessary, and Bill has some new information regarding this, then I would suggest he shares it.

I really don't have an opinion about the new age idea of a higher dimensional Earth splitting from our 3D world. However, in the hermetic sciences and most metaphysical teachings, you will find that new expressions in 3D always begin in higher dimensions and filter down to 3D. In the human mind, this is how imagination becomes reality. It is why vision mapping and other modern mind tricks work. Thoughts have form. That form is birthed in a higher dimension. We then "manifest" it in our 3D reality. So, if we, as a human collective, are creating a leap in consciousness, which we clearly are, then it is plausible that we are also giving birth to a higher dimensional Earth. I don't see this as "reductio ad absurdum" as Bill puts it, unless he's simply referring to some kind of absurd proposition that the Earth will somehow shed its physical skin and a second Earth will "pop-out".

I am firmly convinced that at our current rate of planetary destruction, chaos and resource depletion, we have no choice but to rely on our higher faculties to survive and thrive. We must vision a new Earth because third dimensional thinking alone cannot solve the challenges our planet currently faces. As the hopi have said, "we are the ones we're waiting for". It's up to us.

Thank you, Andre. :yo: One of the best posts I've read in a long time -- though I'm not following here much, any longer...

For those that are interested to find out more about the suppressed 'Holy Science of Astrology' check out the excellent presentations below.

"The Holy Science, the ancient science based on the workings of the solar system, which is the science of, 'as above so bellow', enables one to develop wisdom and enlightenment far beyond what this world has on offer."

Part 1:
HtExkh6ZiNU

Part 2 (gets even better):
7YA-9iHKHJo

Also check his channel for more stuff: http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology

Much Love to All

[Agape]

Though most of this page is actually in French ..I just want to point out that the AI - ETI in my dreams was probably correct . For I observe further 'clogging ' of the information field within the forum .

Rationality wave ...''''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...''' = x

Irrationality wave . . . .
. . ...'''...
. .;;; ..=0 + - infinite = y
;;;

Signal lost. The man in 'holy science' videos above looks definitely alien :yo:

[truthseekerdan]

Though most of this page is actually in French ..I just want to point out that the AI - ETI in my dreams was probably correct . For I observe further 'clogging ' of the information field within the forum .

Rationality wave ...''''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...'''...''' = x

Irrationality wave . . . .
. . ...'''...
. .;;; ..=0 + - infinite = y
;;;

Signal lost. The man in 'holy science' videos above looks definitely alien :yo:

You are right, he's actually half italian... :)

[Agape]

Could be Realien by any chance ..:confused:

[Tommy]

Hi Bill,

I only see two different sources here, not really that substantial in my view, not more than any "pro Elenin" ones anyways. I am not really saying JS about what is true or not, but your are literally "telling" people what is the "truth" here, echoing another soruce without much supporting evidence. Say, Hoagland provides data, I talked to him myself in some lengths about this and he pointed me towards a lot of raw (and updated) data being gathered. One thing that was pointed out clearly was that Elenin's path were changing and that people had to re-adjust their radio-telescopes and naturally ordinary telescopes. Hoagland never supported the "doom and gloom" scenario to begin with and had a very unique view of what was going on in regards to the symbolic dates connected with the coming and going of Elenin.

The most interesting part was really the second object that I see no mention about.

Glad you posted this information, I naturally observe both sides of the argument, not my job to tell anyone how it is or isn't.. Just don't think I am hung up on Elenin just because we did this conference.. It is a small event compared to the rest of the potential timeline's anyway.. Have a look at the conference and let us know your thoughts about the second object and it's correlation, Hoagland shows a lot of charts of interest :)


See you soon,

Tommy

Edit to add: We were also told that certain people planned to fire at Elenin, maybe just as a test for all I know. I have nothing to back this up except it came from a long time Camelot source.. Just fyi..

[aranuk]

Hi Bill I am very interested in why you trust Astrobob and the sydneystargasers over and above all other sites of astronomy on the web?

Stan

[Bill Ryan]

We were also told that certain people planned to fire at Elenin, maybe just as a test for all I know. I have nothing to back this up except it came from a long time Camelot source.. Just fyi..

In that case it must have been from the same source who gave us photos of the F-19... which turned out to be from the movie Stealth.

:)


Hi Bill I am very interested in why you trust Astrobob and the sydneystargasers over and above all other sites of astronomy on the web?

Stan

... which "all other sites of astronomy on the web"?

[Seikou-Kishi]

We all have to exercise caution and discernment when it comes to what we are presented. The problems in the world have all been caused by the public not being critical of information it is given. It remains important for us to hear what is presented to us, but never to fully invest ourselves in another's testimony. If he is not deceitful, he could be duped. If he is not duped, he could be wrong, and so on.

[Agape]

Hi Bill,

I only see two different sources here, not really that substantial in my view, not more than any "pro Elenin" ones anyways. I am not really saying JS about what is true or not, but your are literally "telling" people what is the "truth" here, echoing another soruce without much supporting evidence. Say, Hoagland provides data, I talked to him myself in some lengths about this and he pointed me towards a lot of raw (and updated) data being gathered. One thing that was pointed out clearly was that Elenin's path were changing and that people had to re-adjust their radio-telescopes and naturally ordinary telescopes. Hoagland never supported the "doom and gloom" scenario to begin with and had a very unique view of what was going on in regards to the symbolic dates connected with the coming and going of Elenin.

The most interesting part was really the second object that I see no mention about.

Glad you posted this information, I naturally observe both sides of the argument, not my job to tell anyone how it is or isn't.. Just don't think I am hung up on Elenin just because we did this conference.. It is a small event compared to the rest of the potential timeline's anyway.. Have a look at the conference and let us know your thoughts about the second object and it's correlation, Hoagland shows a lot of charts of interest :)


See you soon,

Tommy

Edit to add: We were also told that certain people planned to fire at Elenin, maybe just as a test for all I know. I have nothing to back this up except it came from a long time Camelot source.. Just fyi..


Hello Tommy,


thank you for this very precious information. Second object ? I've watched the Elenin conference but had to miss something in the later part of it I admit .

Have you read by any chance , my posting on very previous page ? It's not 'a joke' .


Had the second object you mention been sensed , recorded by telescopes , prophesized or theorethised from eventual anomaly or discrepancy of predicted events in comparison with objective ( sort of ) evidence ?

From my first hand experience I can only testify to the fact of ETI ( extraterrestrial intelligencies ) and their crafts moving through Space in organized manner are far beyond current time-space technical ability/limit of human perception and understanding unless ...they alone decide to approach human civilisation and choose to be understood in a way that appears to be ..the best potential of communication between them & us,

or ...unless..the less attractive option..they would have an accident .



And there are of course ..many 'shades' between the two possibilities ..


However , people such as 'humans' tend to judge intelligent options according to the peak of their achievment in their own times, 'creating a god according to their own image' .



I wish that much at least ...truth, love and freedom should never become 'privilaged property' of few since they are our own nature .


And there's no inner or outer law in the Universe that is going to change it ..

with that on mind ..

Trust Your Self

Thanks


:angel:

[Tommy]

We were also told that certain people planned to fire at Elenin, maybe just as a test for all I know. I have nothing to back this up except it came from a long time Camelot source.. Just fyi..

In that case it must have been from the same source who gave us photos of the F-19... which turned out to be from the movie Stealth.

:)



No, but hard lol! :D

[Tommy]

Agape:

Yes, I think it was a fairly recent discovery when we talked to Hoagland about it, but I would actually point in the direction of RCH most recent Coast to Coast appearances (and other), then for correlation in regards to prophecy Carl Johan Calleman's recent work. All should be available on their respected sites http://enterprisemission.com and http://www.calleman.com/.

I am not decided so to speak in this matter and I don't really have time to write my thoughts down right now (it will be pages with possible scenarios, pro and con).
Right now I am directing the tech teams for Awake and Aware and it kinda takes up most of my time. Maybe I can get time to write something after the conference!

Thanks :)

[Agape]

Agape:

Yes, I think it was a fairly recent discovery when we talked to Hoagland about it, but I would actually point in the direction of RCH most recent Coast to Coast appearances (and other), then for correlation in regards to prophecy Carl Johan Calleman's recent work. All should be available on their respected sites http://enterprisemission.com and http://www.calleman.com/.

I am not decided so to speak in this matter and I don't really have time to write my thoughts down right now (it will be pages with possible scenarios, pro and con).
Right now I am directing the tech teams for Awake and Aware and it kinda takes up most of my time. Maybe I can get time to write something after the conference!

Thanks :)



Ok , thank you again Tommy for your message .


None of us has the time to do all the work and scan all information at the same time, reliability becomes of utmost importance now as it will be in future with using our respective abilities and potentials and correlating them on equal level .

We may be speaking here of future that did not quite yet come for many people :)


We are near but the puzzle pieces are not yet fitting. The puzzle pieces is us all .


There will be many people benefiting from your work .


Blessings


:angel:

[aranuk]

We were also told that certain people planned to fire at Elenin, maybe just as a test for all I know. I have nothing to back this up except it came from a long time Camelot source.. Just fyi..

In that case it must have been from the same source who gave us photos of the F-19... which turned out to be from the movie Stealth.

:)


Hi Bill I am very interested in why you trust Astrobob and the sydneystargasers over and above all other sites of astronomy on the web?

Stan

... which "all other sites of astronomy on the web"?

Well here are a few

Astronomy Web Sites

This is a list of astronomy Web sites which contain interesting astronomy information.

General Astronomy Web Sites
astronomydaily.com
Crowell Observatory Astronomy Sight

Astronomy Awards Web Sites
Griffith Observatory Star Awards for Astronomy Web Sites

List of Web Astronomy Lists
www.continent-amastro.net Amateur astronomers websites in Europe
astronomylinks.com Astronomy and space links, shortcuts, favorites and bookmarks
Personal Pages of Astronomers by Richard Bell (Very large list)
Chip Baines AstroLinks
List of astronomical resource sites created by the High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Research Center (HEASARC) at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center
Sky & Telescope Astronomy List
Astronomical Society of the Pacific links
Cosmobrain Astronomical Links
David Chandler Company List
Astonomy Directories
Astonomers' Notebook Northern Lights
Degree Resources: The Online Guide to Astronomy

List of Astronomy Facilities
List of Planetarium Web Sites

Astronomy News
NASA Human SpaceFlight
Science @ NASA
SpaceWeather.com

Astronomy Information
Astronomy Picture of the Day
Geophysical Institute Auroral Forecast
ICSTARS Astronomy
Mars Today
Space Science and Engineering Center
Solar Data Analysis Center at NASA
Solar System Simulator
Latest Solar Data Analysis Center at NASA
Stig's Sky Calendar
Hubble Deep Field
MAST Multimission Archive as Space Telescope
The Galaxy Catalog - Images
Majestic Research
The Two Micron All Sky Survey at IPAC
Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS)
Ancient Origins: Solstice
Students for the Exploration and Development of Space (SEDS)
Hubble Heritage Project
NASA/IPAC Extragalactic Database (NED)
Space Environment Center
Light polution
JPL Solar System Dynamics Page
Distant Suns
Liftoff to Space Exploration
Optical Gravitational Lesnsing Experiment
SOHO images
STScI/HST Public Information
Sun-Earth Connection Education Forum
University of Oregon The Electronic Universe
A Guide to the Solar System by Online University
Comets and Meteror Showers by Online University

Space Flight
Columbus Control Center
NASA GODDARD Space Flight Center's Educator Resource Center

Astronomy Observing
Earth and Sky Radio Series
Portland Solar, Lunar and Tidal Data
IAU: Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams
Comet Observation
How to Report a Discovery
SEDS Interactive NGC Catalog Online
Occultations by Solar System Objects
IOTA Asteroidal Predictions
International Occultation Timing Association
Complete Sun and Moon Data for One Day
Orbital Elements: Comets
Heavens-Above observe satellites
NGC/IC Project
Bill Ferris Messier Marathon
Constellations and their Stars
Atlas of the Andromeda Galaxy
International Meteor Organization
Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers
JPL Comet Observation Home Page
The Virgo Cluster of Galaxies
AAVSO: American Association of Variable Star Observers
Richard D. Swensen Sundial
THE LUNASCAN PROJECT (TLP)

Astronomy Observatories
Astronomy Resources at STScI
Astronomy Resources at STScI 2nd site
Armagh Observatory
Big Bear Solar Observatory
ESO - The European Southern Observatory
Pine Mountain Observatory
Royal Observatory Greenwich
Grove Creek Observatory's APANA Internet Site
Kitt Peak National Observatory (KPNO)
University of Chicago Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics

Astronomy and Others
Juniper Sky News
The Sunriver Nature Center & Observatory
Kitt Peak Advanced Observing Program
Astrogea
Map On Us

Stan

[lightseeker]

Thank you Bill for the reality cheque, sometimes we can all get caught up in what is going on around us. I felt that there was a lot of "noise" on the web about a variety of issues that you mentioned and felt with my intuition that things were not making too much sense to me. I think you have expressed very clearly what i was sensing.
lightseeker

[Elixer]

Isn't it Bill that needs the reality check, since he's making all these absolute statements about relative, subjective and uncertain things, "telling us what is truth"? What's up with that?
Or: Is this Bill offering us the reality check by making it obvious that what he says cannot simply be accepted as truth? Trying to rid himself of the guru-status that some might have bestowed upon him?
That would be commendable, were it not that it might discredit him somewhat, in my opinion of course.
He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

[onawah]

Please see my post # 35 on the thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312041#post312041
These 2 threads may need to be merged.

[The Truth Is In There]

We may not know very much about how astrology actually works, but we do know that it has a profound impact on our consciousness. Surely, it is easy to extrapolate and surmise that our galaxy and our galactic center also influences our consciousness, albeit at a marco scale. The Mayans were clearly aware of these influences and they were actually able to measure their time frame. The 26,000 year precessional cycle is one of their more widely known meaurements. These celestial cycles are real. And to so readily dismiss them by saying "it's just a calendar" is the height of folly.

While I am on the subject, I will also proffer an opinion that, as interesting as Carl Calleman's work is, it has no relationship to the Mayan Calendar. I've studied his book and, although it is a fascinating concept, it is definitely not Mayan - and it is full of flaws. Carl may be like some other western thinkers who labor under the false belief that they can elaborate on indigenous wisdom without first studying it in depth. Whenever I am asked about where to find accurate information on the Mayan Calendar, I always suggest the work of John Major Jenkins. His books are difficult to digest, but if you hang in there, you'll find a wealth of information on what the calendars most likely meant.


here's a quote from carl johan calleman. i've highlighted the important points.


The proposal of the December 21, 2012 date is based on the unproven belief that the precessional cycle actually means something for human evolution, and, amazingly, as far as I know no one advocating this end date seems to have even bothered to try to prove this basic assumption. In contrast, the October 28, 2011 date is based on massive scientific evidence that the Nine Underworlds and Thirteen Heavens known from ancient Mayan sources indeed describe cosmic evolution in all of its aspects. Moreover, while there is extensive evidence that the Maya based prophecy and prediction on shifts between baktuns, katuns, tuns etc, not a single ancient Mayan text mentions the 26,000 year precessional cycle. Since those advocating the December 21, 2012 end date do not identify shift points in the Mayan calendar leading up to their end date their hypothesis is however not testable from the predictions made, which is the hallmark of any serious scientific theory. Hence, it must be qualified as belief rather than science. Based on nothing more than belief a culture has subsequently emerged around the December 21, 2012 date, since it serves as an ideal projection screen for fantasies, fears and hopes rather than something that can be proven and understood scientifically based on the patterns of the Mayan calendar.
source: http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/risk_of_2012.htm

[jcocks]

IMHO the dec 21sat 2012c date is so endlessly thrown about by MSM and trendy new-age sites that is it most definitely DISINFO. They want us to concentrate on this date so that we miss what we should really be looking out for.

My own gut feeling has always been (for the last year or so) that the end of this year would be of immense importance. So, I would have to say that the only two likelihoods that can be correct are :

1.) That Calleman is correct

or

2.) That none of them are correct, this whole calendar thing is disinfo and nothing will happen (I shall hereby refer to this as "the Bill Ryan Hypothesis" ;) )

[ThePythonicCow]

He [Bill] does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
I started this post looking for a lighthearted way to give you permission to take whatever Bill says with as much skepticism as you like (even if Bill's words don't say that explicitly each time.)

But I realized as I was composing that attempt that I could provide no such permission.

None of us can give another such permission. We can only give it to ourselves.

Whether it be Moses coming down from a mountain top with two stone tablets in hand, or a small child making a timid suggestion, we can each only decide for ourselves how much credence to give those words.

In other words, to be a bit less dramatic, whether Bill (or anyone else) adds "appropriate" disclaimers and qualifiers in front of each of his assertions or not ... matters little. Some will take his assertions as next to gospel, and others will take them is foolish nonsense ... they might both be right ;).

[ThePythonicCow]

Please see my post # 35 on the thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312041#post312041
These 2 threads may need to be merged.

Both threads have developed some dialog, some structure, and have done so in overlapping time period. So I am reluctant to merge them.

Rather the occasional cross link, as you have done, seems best to me.

[Andre]

Thanks for sharing the quote from Carl. Before Carl Calleman came along, there was another so called Mayan expert by the name of Jose Arguelles. You may have heard of him. He lectured on a Mayan 13 Moon Calendar for a long time. Guess what happened to him? He was exposed. The Mayan's never used a 13 Moon Calendar. Jose was a lovely man and I have enormous respect for him and his work. (He passed away recently.) But what he was teaching was not Mayan. The man who exposed him, not through any malicious intent, but through historical integrity, was John Major Jenkins, author of numerous books on the Mayans and their calendar. So, in light of your quote from Carl, here's what Jenkins has to say about Carl Calleman:


... Carl's October 28, 2011 end date has no basis in authentic Maya tradition. Carl’s constant emphasis on this date detracts seekers from understanding the importance of the true end date of December 21, 2012. This is the end date that is the best supported in terms of the interdisciplinary reconstruction of the Maya calendar correlation. Carl refuses to address the evidence for December 21, 2012, or he takes pot shots at it by enlisting supposedly authoritative astronomers or experts. But even a brief look at the basis of the arguments reveals them all to be red herrings. So, Carl is engaging in a kind of stealth sabotage to distract our attention from the true end date, and gain support for his own unfounded invention. This is the behavior of Seven Macaw, the self-magnifying bird deity in the Popol Vuh. Carl is thus helping to illustrate the distorting effects of human hubris, of consciousness that prefers to magnify its own clever inventions rather than humble itself before perennial wisdom. This isn’t me against Carl; it’s Carl against established tradition and universal truth.

[Bill Ryan]

He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

Here's a clarifying rhetorical question: would you prefer that I said nothing?

:)

[sirac]

He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

Here's a clarifying rhetorical question: would you prefer that I said nothing?

:)

i don't know who u talking about, but for my own purposes it sounds right.
came with something as usual, but then to keep it i realize i have to see not to-much,
this is the dispores thing i come with and to show its actual unity and not for my sake, no for my sake, not yours.....surprising how that phraselogy sets meaning phase, and a shard is something that can be interpreted in a thousand ways and will still always cut.
for me , whatever i have to pretend for u, perhaps phase see'er,
i'd say they both right. u only put a logical dictum on it at the wrong place to now for u now for u not see it{this is proper veiling as i've read from use documents which touch on that word/concept use}
world has split world hasn't spilt, (but then logically let me tell y i don't know who said which....yes crazy guise is what i would most likely take amongst the crazy)
the energy of now saying it, was for those threading within phase reality A to get rid of associations, bill can take his ''don't have a name for thsi yet, perhaps lets just say king as that is closest to my present usuage contexts'king stance', cuase he is not necassirality threading thru that but the effect of ultimate action from both nodes would have produced the desired for effect.
why i saw this was dangerously to do with my own attempts,
i need to explain the reality matrium of incarnation versus not incarnation.{in phase motion i am telling u i will tell sometime but dropping it now..()()}
i learned something novel from the chariot horses, that sometimes something happens when there is unitum of disunitium for action forth coming events even if this si the timeline dimension.
bill i give u a pass. i'm to o crasy to sbe spoknen to. alreaty.jpass

[Bill Ryan]

[A lot which I did not understand]

Dear Friend - please don't take this in the wrong way. But I have never been able to understand even a small part of any one of your many posts.

[Firinn]

Thank you Bill for the reality cheque...
...lightseeker

Interesting slip of the tongue, lightseeker. Did Bill pay you to say you share his reality? ;)

All meant in good jest :)

Much Love,
Firinn

[Elixer]

He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

Here's a clarifying rhetorical question: would you prefer that I said nothing?

:)

That was not very clarifying at all. Thankfully the question was rhetorical, otherwise I'd have had to answer it :p, but it does beg another question:
Is it a choice between either not saying anything at all, or commenting in absolute terms? Where is the middle ground, the balance that I've come to respect him for?

At first I thought this 'new style' signified some fundamental change in his overall attitude, but having read his post to Kerry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30757-Comet-Elenin-Final-Chapter-Hoagland-Kerry-etc&p=312257&viewfull=1#post312257) in this other thread, where he does qualify his statements as being a suspicion and a conviction, I'm starting to think that the 'absolutisms' are meant for this particular audience, to more or less force us/them to think for our/themselves, or separate the wheat from the chaff, or something.
I'm sure it's deliberate, but it's unclear what the point is, hence the Request For Clarification. Then again the point might be better served if left implicit.

Bill used to be so careful when wording his questions and statements whereas now he makes these sweeping remarks ("never! understood even a small part! of any! of his many posts"? and Sorcha Faal is "100% invented"? etc)
To not remark on this change would be an oversight, would it not?

Anyway I'll leave it alone now.
Thanks Bill for responding and choosing not to clarify. Respect for that as well.

[sirac]

oh, came to say, saw not u say, but i want to give the clearness of my intent before i post

this was in my inbox...from greybeards thread:
if "i" know "i" have transcended the ego, then "everyone" else knows "i" have not, but when "we" know "you" have transcended the ego, then "you" know "i" am "you". hello !

so...{it was just to be self, couthed with all filent anger}

oh,
i came to say, this is a real free pass:
conartist.

2
what came 1st chicken or egg.
or where both first////that was my 1st spelling mistake, i think it takes some meaning...this is what i intended as from the logic mechanism of the first phrase...or were they both first

3
yes only a king can throw out, that is why i threw in 1....and that would then read conartist [i]

i'll c what u say after i post this

¤=[Post Update]=¤

that's okay,
i don't mean to be understood,

just to stand in the phase realitim and give art to those who can thrust with the mechanism of :

[passiglight]

I would assume myself,, that this forum and many like it and life here in general, but more specific here,,,,,especially here,,,,,,,,,,,

with the absolute tip of the elites analysing our every actions,,,,,,,,,,,,


especially here,,, where the lights burn eager and thrusting,,,,,,,,,


and rebellion is highest in logic energy and passion energy,,,,,,,,,

but let it bother you least,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


the watchers are always there or we wouldn't be here with a different kind of energy,,,





He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

Here's a clarifying rhetorical question: would you prefer that I said nothing?

:)

That was not very clarifying at all. Thankfully the question was rhetorical, otherwise I'd have had to answer it :p, but it does beg another question:
Is it a choice between either not saying anything at all, or commenting in absolute terms? Where is the middle ground, the balance that I've come to respect him for?

At first I thought this 'new style' signified some fundamental change in his overall attitude, but having read his post to Kerry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30757-Comet-Elenin-Final-Chapter-Hoagland-Kerry-etc&p=312257&viewfull=1#post312257) in this other thread, where he does qualify his statements as being a suspicion and a conviction, I'm starting to think that the 'absolutisms' are meant for this particular audience, to more or less force us/them to think for our/themselves, or separate the wheat from the chaff, or something.
I'm sure it's deliberate, but it's unclear what the point is, hence the Request For Clarification. Then again the point might be better served if left implicit.

Bill used to be so careful when wording his questions and statements whereas now he makes these sweeping remarks ("never! understood even a small part! of any! of his many posts"? and Sorcha Faal is "100% invented"? etc)
To not remark on this change would be an oversight, would it not?

Anyway I'll leave it alone now.
Thanks Bill for responding and choosing not to clarify. Respect for that as well.

[sirac]

before u get really really angry,
consider that everything in the ...or up to the 1 is in first person voice, yes my voice

that is a free pass
pass
and i will pass no more amongst the sacred crowd
pass
i pass too
[signiture]

[sirac]

watch the bati/bait even in that,
really when i say pass, i mean pass, it is the only logical thing by the mechanism

acknowledging crazyness,
will just pass where i go and interact no longer not with any , maybe i pass into something new

oh, don't they say of mozart that it is mind expanding. /building. and even dark fragements are needed as from the other masters(in this case i am strictly in the classic aesthetic mode..say beeth. to exclude anything else fro mtehcontext. maybe that is true art or maybe ...the other negative intensive)

...the bait was emotive buy in

[sirac]

oh even post 2 of the 3 above needs clarification, least the stupid happen in on me,

yes only the stupid can contrast the stupid, i have taken on stupidity,
anycase
post 2 above is blind issac,

amongst those here, means not the posters
but those who i would acknowledge to be really hear,
so here if you can hear and hear right,
take signiture,
no crazyness amongst any of u top echalons any more

[sirac]

oh my beloved 5 post the one i love, 5 top gear, any momentum

even those 4 are a phase shard,

cut off

i for my realities
u for yours
amen...(as those other idiots would say..)

...oh the pot stirring has become interesting

but their emotions are not high enough forme

¤=[Post Update]=¤

later i can't readd now, real work / learning / pot stirring tomorrow, but not for here,mur emtions are all unclear for me, i'll leave them, too unpure. iwill posit my own opinion elsewhere, and then see what u have said, lots of work, yet that is where i get stuck,...just having fun today, for i cut as a diamond elsewhere

[Nyce555]

I am a little late on this one, but thanks soooo much for putting this out there Bill!!!! I agree with all of your points about Elenin, the dates, the supposed "ratpure", the economy and disclosure. The Economy is definitely doomed as well as all the reliance on digital technology. As far as disclosure goes...... exciting as more and more people are seeing UFOs all over the world.

[sirac]

a 6?
yes 6 is for me when evil has really come in....imagine an art hand of emergency to display it..

yes , prior agreement stands, i am conman,
fall implicit [ofcourse how not]

ultimatium
is freedom to be.
(oh sometimes it strikes on me, if i am so perfect a 5 what about the 6, he'll sweep u away before the perfect 10 of civilization comes. i have to build perfectly in the nietzsche subfragmenturm t o ov er come his imaginery building...excuse my wicked phase reality. nothing more i will say of banal matters ...remember gear one gave u ){for those who hear hear, for all others it is subreality of dualitim, of babling. i stand trust me,[nor u]}

[folotheflo]

oh, came to say, saw not u say, but i want to give the clearness of my intent before i post

this was in my inbox...from greybeards thread:
if "i" know "i" have transcended the ego, then "everyone" else knows "i" have not, but when "we" know "you" have transcended the ego, then "you" know "i" am "you". hello !

so...{it was just to be self, couthed with all filent anger}

oh,
i came to say, this is a real free pass:
conartist.

2
what came 1st chicken or egg.
or where both first////that was my 1st spelling mistake, i think it takes some meaning...this is what i intended as from the logic mechanism of the first phrase...or were they both first

3
yes only a king can throw out, that is why i threw in 1....and that would then read conartist [i]

i'll c what u say after i post this

¤=[Post Update]=¤

that's okay,
i don't mean to be understood,

just to stand in the phase realitim and give art to those who can thrust with the mechanism of :

hi sirac. t'was "i" who wrote the little ditty on trascending the ego, and upon reading your post, was somewhat amused and a little suprised (not that i mind in the slightest) to read that greybeard had forwarded the ditty to you. but the reason for this post, was to ask you in what context you are relaying it, as i have read and reread your posts and cannot for the life of me understand. this is not a dig, i am purely just trying to understand you. any light you can shed would be much appreciated. thank you

[Bill Ryan]

Bill used to be so careful when wording his questions and statements whereas now he makes these sweeping remarks ("never! understood even a small part! of any! of his many posts"? and Sorcha Faal is "100% invented"? etc)
To not remark on this change would be an oversight, would it not?


• Re Sorcha Faal:

I'm not going to be tentative when I have personal certainty about something. That'd be disingenuous, and would serve no-one.

When I'm unsure of something, or am speculating, or offering alternative hypotheses, I do say so. When I am personally sure, I also say so. It's entirely up to you whether to take a different view. :)

If you disagree about Sorcha Faal (real name CIA agent David Booth), please show me anything substantive that has ever been factual in any or his "reports". (I can't believe we're debating this!)

As an interesting anecdote -- which may be easy to believe -- Kerry and I were contacted by someone a couple of years ago who told us how he'd been approached by the CIA to "write fiction" for them.

:)

• Re sirac (this discussion is not intended disrespectfully!):

I didn't understand a thing that he wrote above in his last 6 posts. It seems (see the post above) that I am not alone. My remark was to encourage him to write more clearly.

English may not be his mother tongue -- and I salute him for trying hard! -- but I simply cannot ever understand what he is saying.

[ThePythonicCow]

'absolutisms' are meant for this particular audience, to more or less force us/them to think for our/themselves, or separate the wheat from the chaff, or something.
In the short time (nine months now) that I've known Bill, he's usually speaks with certainty ... when he's certain.

He's not always right when he's certain ... as best as I can tell, he's human like the rest of us. But he's not hesitant when he's certain, either. I see nothing different regarding this manner of his in the present discussion, so I see no reason to speculate what might be the motives for such a (non-existent) difference ;).

If you figure he's got one wrong - that's fine. If it matters enough in the present to call him on it, that's fine too. I've figured such myself (quite a few times), and done such myself (occasionally). It's all good.

[jorr lundstrom]

Dear Friends:

It can be taken as fact now that time will tell wot did happen and wot didnt happen.

[ezone]

Hi folks :-)

Let me provide a link to a page that, perhaps, can supply some aditional informations on the subject:

http://wingsoflyra.blogspot.com/2011/09/glp-comet-elenin-scientific-evidence-of.html?utm_source=BP_recent

Hope to help.
Cheers.

[aranuk]

Hi folks :-)

Let me provide a link to a page that, perhaps, can supply some aditional informations on the subject:

http://wingsoflyra.blogspot.com/2011/09/glp-comet-elenin-scientific-evidence-of.html?utm_source=BP_recent

Hope to help.
Cheers.

That was rather complicated stuff ezone. I was falling asleep reading it all. Have you not got anything a wee bitty simpler to read. In fact I was not really falling asleep reading it my numbness of my senses stopped me. Hence this reply.

Stan

[ezone]

:o
Nooop, sorry... this is complicated stuff.

[The Truth Is In There]

Thanks for sharing the quote from Carl. Before Carl Calleman came along, there was another so called Mayan expert by the name of Jose Arguelles. You may have heard of him. He lectured on a Mayan 13 Moon Calendar for a long time. Guess what happened to him? He was exposed. The Mayan's never used a 13 Moon Calendar. Jose was a lovely man and I have enormous respect for him and his work. (He passed away recently.) But what he was teaching was not Mayan. The man who exposed him, not through any malicious intent, but through historical integrity, was John Major Jenkins, author of numerous books on the Mayans and their calendar. So, in light of your quote from Carl, here's what Jenkins has to say about Carl Calleman:


... Carl's October 28, 2011 end date has no basis in authentic Maya tradition. Carl’s constant emphasis on this date detracts seekers from understanding the importance of the true end date of December 21, 2012. This is the end date that is the best supported in terms of the interdisciplinary reconstruction of the Maya calendar correlation. Carl refuses to address the evidence for December 21, 2012, or he takes pot shots at it by enlisting supposedly authoritative astronomers or experts. But even a brief look at the basis of the arguments reveals them all to be red herrings. So, Carl is engaging in a kind of stealth sabotage to distract our attention from the true end date, and gain support for his own unfounded invention. This is the behavior of Seven Macaw, the self-magnifying bird deity in the Popol Vuh. Carl is thus helping to illustrate the distorting effects of human hubris, of consciousness that prefers to magnify its own clever inventions rather than humble itself before perennial wisdom. This isn’t me against Carl; it’s Carl against established tradition and universal truth.

i don't quite see what exposing argüelles has to do with calleman except that you're grabbing for straws. calleman agrees that 12/21/12 is the end of the long count but he also says that it's not a significant date because the mayan calendar is first and foremost about the expansion of consciousness.

maybe the long count tracks celestial bodies/alignments and probably also their influence on consciousness but the long count also ended and started anew countless times in the past whereas the consciousness evolution cycle has no beginning and no end.

that is my own opinion and that is where calleman is wrong, imo, because he assumes that it has a beginning and an end while in fact it's infinite, just like consciousness itself. the cycles before 16.4bn years are just not significant for us right now and the supposed "end" is just the moment when the expansion of consciousness happens so fast that it appears to us as if it doesn't continue. it does, but the time period between the following steps gets too small for our minds to process and that is the moment of infinite expansion of consciousness, or ascension.

i've explained my viewpoint in another thread (link below) and so far no one has "exposed" me. thus the end date is either november 9th or, if it has to fall on a 13 ahau date, october 28th. but if the latter is true that's not when the 9th wave ends as calleman says. the 9th wave ends, and the 10th starts, on october 16th when comet elenin comes closest to the earth. a few more significant dates:

- september 29th (beginning of the 7th day of the 9th wave) - the day of the planetary alignment described in the bible in revelation 12.1 - the beginning of the great tribulation

- september 11th (beginning of the 6th night of the 9th wave) - the 10th anniversary of 9/11. also the day elenin was closest to the sun and the beginning of a further increase in earthquakes with at least one 6.0 or higher every day.

- august 24th (beginning of the 6th day of the 9th wave) - the period during which, according to inelia, the "splitting of the worlds" started

- august 6th (beginning of the 5th night of the 9th wave) - one day earlier the USA lost its AAA rating and was downgraded to AA+. during the same time period the dow jones and other stock markets plunged in the worst one-day drop in more than 2 years

singular events are going to happen on or close to sep 29th, on october 16th and every day thereafter until october 28th and if i'm right then that will be the day of ascension for a part of humanity, the day the "splitting of the worlds" will become notable. don't believe a word i say but at least consider the possibility that i may be right if the first of these things come to pass.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29437-EXACT-DATE-for-the-ascension-according-to-the-Maya.-Not-12-21-12-and-not-10-28-11-

[Aurelius]

Hi Sirac .. out of curiosity is French your primary language?






He does state things absolutely, only to tell us later not to believe what he is saying, but to check it for yourself.
Some clarifying words from Bill in this area might be nice.

Here's a clarifying rhetorical question: would you prefer that I said nothing?

:)

i don't know who u talking about, but for my own purposes it sounds right.
came with something as usual, but then to keep it i realize i have to see not to-much,
this is the dispores thing i come with and to show its actual unity and not for my sake, no for my sake, not yours.....surprising how that phraselogy sets meaning phase, and a shard is something that can be interpreted in a thousand ways and will still always cut.
for me , whatever i have to pretend for u, perhaps phase see'er,
i'd say they both right. u only put a logical dictum on it at the wrong place to now for u now for u not see it{this is proper veiling as i've read from use documents which touch on that word/concept use}
world has split world hasn't spilt, (but then logically let me tell y i don't know who said which....yes crazy guise is what i would most likely take amongst the crazy)
the energy of now saying it, was for those threading within phase reality A to get rid of associations, bill can take his ''don't have a name for thsi yet, perhaps lets just say king as that is closest to my present usuage contexts'king stance', cuase he is not necassirality threading thru that but the effect of ultimate action from both nodes would have produced the desired for effect.
why i saw this was dangerously to do with my own attempts,
i need to explain the reality matrium of incarnation versus not incarnation.{in phase motion i am telling u i will tell sometime but dropping it now..()()}
i learned something novel from the chariot horses, that sometimes something happens when there is unitum of disunitium for action forth coming events even if this si the timeline dimension.
bill i give u a pass. i'm to o crasy to sbe spoknen to. alreaty.jpass

[The Truth Is In There]

an interesting side note. some of you may be familiar with the darpa time travel program. i believe that a lot of singular events they saw happening in the future ended up on the illuminati card game (released before any of them had happened). it's even possible that all events depicted on the cards will eventually come to pass. we already witnessed these famous ones:

http://campusfutter24.com/__oneclick_uploads/2011/06/illuminati_card_911.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/TADSvq9rNxI/AAAAAAAABgY/fxbM6-kX01o/s1600/ILLUMINATI+Card+Game+BP+Oil+Spill.png

http://www.oomeflippinhead.com/wordp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Illuminati-Card-Japan-earthquake-Combined+Disaster-2011.png

but the following hasn't happened...yet

http://fulfilledbibleprophecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Tape_runs_out.jpg

also, based on what they know about future events, i think it's safe to assume that obama being at the denver airport on sep 27th when elenin is right between the earth and the sun is not a coincidence. i think that's when things will start to get really interesting and elenin will turn out to be much more than what it looked like on first glance. and even if the obama info is actually sorcha faal disinfo, i bet that something big is going to happen next week.

[bennycog]

interesting stuff truthy

[transiten]

an interesting side note. some of you may be familiar with the darpa time travel program. i believe that a lot of singular events they saw happening in the future ended up on the illuminati card game (released before any of them had happened). it's even possible that all events depicted on the cards will eventually come to pass. we already witnessed these famous ones:

http://campusfutter24.com/__oneclick_uploads/2011/06/illuminati_card_911.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/TADSvq9rNxI/AAAAAAAABgY/fxbM6-kX01o/s1600/ILLUMINATI+Card+Game+BP+Oil+Spill.png

http://www.oomeflippinhead.com/wordp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Illuminati-Card-Japan-earthquake-Combined+Disaster-2011.png

but the following hasn't happened...yet

http://fulfilledbibleprophecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Tape_runs_out.jpg

also, based on what they know about future events, i think it's safe to assume that obama being at the denver airport on sep 27th when elenin is right between the earth and the sun is not a coincidence. i think that's when things will start to get really interesting and elenin will turn out to be much more than what it looked like on first glance. and even if the obama info is actually sorcha faal disinfo, i bet that something big is going to happen next week.

OK! I read about those cards some year ago, when were they released? Anyway it was a bad recording. My father was a recording engineer and i'm a singer/songwriter. Time for a big change of tune: "Love is All You Need" coupled with some wisdom:thumb:

[Elixer]

According to Freeman Obama is not going to be here for 11-11-11
He's flying to Australia and will be flying into tomorrow, missing this potentially interesting day all together.
(From the Freezone 9-17-11 (http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/freeman/freeman.2011-09-17_16k.mp3) in the first 5 minutes)
Funny.
However, when you check the president's itinerary for those days on whitehouse.gov, there is nothing planned...

[phillipbbg]

According to Freeman Obama is not going to be here for 11-11-11
He's flying to Australia and will be flying into tomorrow, missing this potentially interesting day all together.
(From the Freezone 9-17-11 (http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/freeman/freeman.2011-09-17_16k.mp3) in the first 5 minutes)
Funny.
However, when you check the president's itinerary for those days on whitehouse.gov, there is nothing planned...

For a man who is so booked up so far ahead.... the fact that nothing is planned should speak volumes............

[sirac]

Bill used to be so careful when wording his questions and statements whereas now he makes these sweeping remarks ("never! understood even a small part! of any! of his many posts"? and Sorcha Faal is "100% invented"? etc)
To not remark on this change would be an oversight, would it not?


• Re Sorcha Faal:

I'm not going to be tentative when I have personal certainty about something. That'd be disingenuous, and would serve no-one.

When I'm unsure of something, or am speculating, or offering alternative hypotheses, I do say so. When I am personally sure, I also say so. It's entirely up to you whether to take a different view. :)

If you disagree about Sorcha Faal (real name CIA agent David Booth), please show me anything substantive that has ever been factual in any or his "reports". (I can't believe we're debating this!)

As an interesting anecdote -- which may be easy to believe -- Kerry and I were contacted by someone a couple of years ago who told us how he'd been approached by the CIA to "write fiction" for them.

:)

• Re sirac (this discussion is not intended disrespectfully!):

I didn't understand a thing that he wrote above in his last 6 posts. It seems (see the post above) that I am not alone. My remark was to encourage him to write more clearly.

English may not be his mother tongue -- and I salute him for trying hard! -- but I simply cannot ever understand what he is saying.

Struck,
genuinely.
well even in not understanding it, u still picked up the conman transliteration,
well done.
to fly with the hand, definitely not the first or third or even fouth
(what would be be talking about....language being a first language, naturally. i do complement you. i know i am promulguous, so many submechanisms ever tempting my hand and sometimes saying more than i originally would have)

oh noticed the 6card with oil spill, more people adding art,
i'm revelling now. glad it is still mildly entertaining for u to be staying here.

i realized something among the chandra , of today with which i interacted.
yesterday was a double burst, and so i realized that i was sort of sort of healing yesterday,...my heart charkra was treaded on. i found a defense mechanism yesterday for that of my head charkra which they tried to take away.....so i can take a formless form...a formless form which has come from pure data soak, and i can defend it ...expanding on forms which absorb the data shock,
so complements for bill, my signiture he took and now he needs not worry that anything.
cause as he said , formless stupid
indeed.

okay enough energy discharge.

oh mongols, they attack,
but first they create a divergen so-that your main cities are undefended. i think the best example of this is what they did to the iranians. don't worry bill still like u. but like that i am now linked with a cia-fiction writer.
everything i say was as by parables, if i am diamond and if i have formed my heart charkras so perfect by meditation than naturally then i have ..... but see how far i have to go for even a first step.
so glad for the air of ignoranies you give me....fly better in air so tilted, hope spelling mistakes help ur argument, ...oh forget even that ...we have no argument.

i am really saying of the chandra,
they have a wrong heart relation to the ufo's
or info generally,
but even in the kabala of the oldTestament david has to kill absolomn , so well done, glad that that war warrior is dead,
but u know not why i had to do that,
u guys are married to an information barrium by which u have to tune down ur war heart charkras,
but i pure...and purity is only a tool to discern evil for good, ...i have singulified my heart charkra, and so when war sets in


oh diamond would be pure information processing, that is why a given would be. but i balance myself in many mechanisms,
much like the mayan dreamspell description of the snake which would be my leader function.
i balance bt somany dualenergies u can't even see me for speed,
sometimes i have to slow down as with 6

i sowed it,...now as that piece of art said, i can sow any mechanism

oh castle i did not came to destroy , gif t of diamond s one now returning has given back to hte diamonds

well done gusy
good war exercise
well done

[mountain_jim]

This thread is meandering. I will try and get the subject back on Elenin, or at least on internet content specifically about the comet.

Don't know anything yet about the following site. Got the link at Chani forum.

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

http://www.supertorchritual.com/underground/images/11b/Elenin-EveningStar-equinox.gif



Sep 19: As far as immediate future, Comet Elenin is about to converge with "reborn" Venus, the Evening Star, right around the autumn equinox, September 22-23rd, in effect "igniting" the popular but invisible comet for a day or two. On those days, if you look at Venus briefly visible right after sunset, you're also looking at Elenin. Venus, which until recently was "Lucifer" (Morning Star), will be shining for it. Symbolically this is analogous to the birth of a second sun dubbed "Lucifer" in Arthur C. Clarke's 2010: The Year We Make Contact (or Odyssey Two). It's a very powerful conjunction... (there's a deeper, hidden context).

[sirac]

oh some many sub conversations flowing. perhaps it would be good to remine this hold,
any case
folotheflo,
thats a mistake, why would greybeard or anyone from here for that matter email me,
u make an information mistake,
i'm subscribed to his thread,
if i look in on it,
the next post from my lookin lands in my inbox
it was there and i chemically reacted/interacted with it over a time period,
well i will rest in being an artist,
and take the ethic of u's too for personal stuff.

wow, so-many parables here,
but don't have time for it heart spiritually, cause tangle with bill i did a bit, soaked my energy , so everything else here,
well i'll mine after i rest from this,
hope bill will be still...and not trust me to be treacherous, as hangman is , by his energatium mistakes, they are mistakes of threading the mechanism of the thief into his own.
see i always potentiate tools,
i gave him his subfragmentium of me being a conartist, so i hope he will rest.greetings

[sirac]

oh forgot to say,
i get parables. in some weird way one of the upper echalons were in a parable i saw of woman,
and to the woman i saw in a real life parable, merely complementarity of ..i'm systems designer...so let me do it.
but as said young , and so many systems i would have to thread,
which is why i even play with this,

\but post 2 describes where my focus must be,...cause as i have said, even in imaginery interaction with bill alll my energy has been soaked, and so logically or in spirit i must hide,
gave a good phasard of lies.......how do u actually spell fascade....oh still got it wrong

[passiglight]

oh forgot to say,
i get parables. in some weird way one of the upper echalons were in a parable i saw of woman,
and to the woman i saw in a real life parable, merely complementarity of ..i'm systems designer...so let me do it.
but as said young , and so many systems i would have to thread,
which is why i even play with this,

\but post 2 describes where my focus must be,...cause as i have said, even in imaginery interaction with bill alll my energy has been soaked, and so logically or in spirit i must hide,
gave a good phasard of lies.......how do u actually spell fascade....oh still got it wrong

Sirac,i like your energy,,,,rebelling,,,,, if you were as ascended as you intimate then your clearly on a jolly jape,,

you act like a puppet who doesn't see the strings,,,,,,,yet your the puppeteer contrarily

cosmic love

[sirac]

oh i laughed (heartily for post above),
saw the top post, gets personal, my energy is not there,
u guys can't see thru the individual barrium cause kabalist masters like me u aren't

oh got a novel sign, got a kenshin sign cut across me,
kenshin in that anime, went out to early against the enemy, he learnt 3/4ths, and he returned after his lifewars to his master to learn the final mechanism that took all the accumulated love of his life,

i'm too vulnerable being knowledgable,
this comes into the first parable of activation i crossed in the toltec masters.
(i'll tell that in majaritium18 sometime on my loretolaw thread, the number significance of late has been me stringing in from my birthday to my fathers birthday which ..well,he passed 10yrs now)

oh i came with this...it comes from the merovingian parable i am now considering for ....well,everything is everything so as for potentiation,
but i did cross this, hope u will appreciate the narrative,

Rene d'Anjou not only contributed in some measure to the formation of the academies, but also seems to have conferred upon them one of their favourite symbolic themes - that of Arcadia. Certainly it is in Rene's own career that the motif of Arcadia appears to have made its debut in post-Christian Western culture. In 1449, for example, at his court of Tarascon, Rene staged a series of pas d'armes - curious hybrid amalgams of tournament and masque, in which knights tilted against each other and, at the same time, performed a species of drama or play. One of Rene's most famous pas d'armes was called 'The Pas d'Armes of the Shepherdess'. Played by his mistress at the time, the 'Shepherdess' was an explicitly Arcadian figure, embodying both romantic and philosophical attributes. She presided over a tourney in which knights assumed allegorical identities representing conflicting values and ideas. The event was a singular fusion of the pastoral Arcadian romance with the pageantry of the Round Table and the mysteries of the Holy Grail.

Anycase. i just realized my borg, human , specie3435432whatever that number was...and us being 3one,
see this is why i burn any bridge onto which i step my foot
its my effect.
i must revel in it still ,,,,,,,combine combine combine so i may go on

SEE,
how scared my energy can become to drop
there is another anime called bleach,
in this anime bleach has assimilated many spirit forms, and he eventually beats the most unbeatable, the one who can lie with reality itself(guy with glasses from that anime, forgot his name now, will get it to see that fight from a friend later this year)

[folotheflo]

"folotheflo,
thats a mistake, why would greybeard or anyone from here for that matter email me,
u make an information mistake,
i'm subscribed to his thread,
if i look in on it,
the next post from my lookin lands in my inbox
it was there and i chemically reacted/interacted with it over a time period,
well i will rest in being an artist,
and take the ethic of u's too for personal stuff."

thank you for your reply sirac. i have not yet subscribed to any threads yet, and so was unaware as to how that worked. now that i have read your explanation, i realize my assumption that greybeard had fowarded my post to you was incorrect. my apologies for the "information mistake", but i am still unclear as to what context you were relaying said post. thanks again for the reply though, easy bro

[sirac]

i've posted this 3 places...this is 3rd

this is where i think tec needs to become easier, one does not need to learn, tec should mold about your decisions. imagine carrying a computer on u, holographic visualization as by systems intuitively molded on you(ur mind) and ...well already enough images i sowed to give u the 3rd -imagination as for use-
damn, why do i have to email / mail administrators....one thing i don' t like is tat i can c who comes in on that p/this page.
wow its funny dissociating, i can see it in all mechanisms of my hand. but i must rest without any one thinking im simply conning another con.
i'll eat u if u did not phase the orientation sets for ichigo from bleach[anime]...as for Yourselves.
and kenshin story is merely for me.
going out into the world he becomes first Bentuasi,...manslayer,
beats all his enemies, beats himself when he starts living[/]
no heavy hands for u to misintreprete {ever again i have my pride}
he returns to his master to learn the last technique
actual nine was a bit of a misnomer...it was combination of all technique..he knew this i thought
learns 10th to defeat biggest enemy ever, but he had to gain it by accumulating proper heart chakra.greetings

oh this was in majaritium post
the administtrators would just have to do as my signiture said, don't know how to get rid of subscriptions. so they'd just have to do as i say down there.

[sirac]

forest for trees person
biggest fault,
i can do it thru in box.

oh if com-puter thing is taken up. new eco system would have to be in-place. it is actually man which limits the phase system.
other work for other day,
my quorum sensing is telling me it is not time to enter the fray with this information....i.e. the one on this thread, i think comet stuff is for bill. really unbalanced guy....that can be bills final defense....till much later

[Helvetic]

I see my question is still unanswered.



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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

[Bill Ryan]

I see my question is still unanswered.



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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

Hi there (good to hear from you!) -- I'm as sure as I can be that I never made any jokes about Planet X being disinfo in 2009. Kerry and I had heard well before that from Henry Deacon who assured us that he had personally witnessed it being spoken about within a classified project in NOAA.

Here's the transcript of my Zurich presentation:

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_ryan_transcript_zurich_2009_en.html

... there's no mention of Planet X there.

[transiten]

I see my question is still unanswered.



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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

Hi there (good to hear from you!) -- I'm as sure as I can be that I never made any jokes about Planet X being disinfo in 2009. Kerry and I had heard well before that from Henry Deacon who assured us that he had personally witnessed it being spoken about within a classified project in NOAA.

Here's the transcript of my Zurich presentation:

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_ryan_transcript_zurich_2009_en.html

... there's no mention of Planet X there.

When David Wilcock still had time to answer questions he sent me an e-mail where he stated that it's physically impossible for a planet bigger than Jupiter to even enter our solar system due to the sun occupying more than 99% of the space. This means that if planet X is "out there" it will stay there and NOT enter our solar system. I will post his whole answer and maybe you could adress him at the conference Bill and ask him if this is still his opinion?

Thanks from transiten

[Helvetic]

It was not at your presentation. There was Wilcock, Burisch, McDowell, and you for sure on stage when these comments where made. Anyway, I am sure there are some recordings on the net for those who are interested. Thanks for your feedback.



I see my question is still unanswered.



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4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.


At the 2009 "A New World, If You Can Take It" Conference in Zürich all the speakers including you Bill, made jokes about "Planet X" stating that this is disinfo. How do you came to your new conclusion?

Hi there (good to hear from you!) -- I'm as sure as I can be that I never made any jokes about Planet X being disinfo in 2009. Kerry and I had heard well before that from Henry Deacon who assured us that he had personally witnessed it being spoken about within a classified project in NOAA.

Here's the transcript of my Zurich presentation:

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_ryan_transcript_zurich_2009_en.html

... there's no mention of Planet X there.

[transiten]

Hello again!

Here's what David Wilcock told me on jan 12 2008

"The planet X is fraudulent. It's akin to saying you could move a car in neutral with a refrigerator magnet. The Sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system. That means that all the planets. moons, asteroids, comets, dust and gas only make up 0.14%. Even if there IS a planet out there, and there might be, it would fall under the beat-resonance harmonics of the Sun and therefore not be able to intersect with the other orbits. Furthermore, its mass could never be exceeded 0.05% of the Sun.

To say this could have any effect on our Sun is like saying I could affect the trajectory of a cruise ship by throwing a pebble at it as it heads out to sea.

What we're dealing with is galactic energy fields. It's never been about a single planet. I've written about this on my site before and apparently it's time to do so again, as unfortunately many of the Planet X people have stolen my research on interplanetary climate change and try to use it to justify their hypothesis."

So far David Wilcock. What do i know? What do YOU know?

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[Lord Sidious]

Wilcock MIGHT be correct, but what if ''planet x'' aka nibiru is in orbit of it's own star?


http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/news/cosmic_news/images/encyclopedia_scan.jpg

Lot's of stuff here.
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm

[transiten]

Wilcock MIGHT be correct, but what if ''planet x'' aka nibiru is in orbit of it's own star?


http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/news/cosmic_news/images/encyclopedia_scan.jpg

Lot's of stuff here.
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm

Hmmm don't know if this has anything to do with it, but Mr Astrotheology Santos Bonacci says Sirius is the sisterstar to our Sun and that they are in binary, hence the "Golden Age" is approaching since the 2 Suns now are at their closest. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU. Sorry, don't remember where he mentions this in his lecture, will try to find out.

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[Camilo]

Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Awaken and Ascend
Concentrate on the conspiracy theories and you will not awaken and ascend. Not that these are not accurate, most of them are contributing credible facts to man's cabal awareness. But this is not to be the focus of those wanting to ascend. Why? Because this helps negative attitudes grow. Anything "against" counts as negativity, no matter what topic is being attacked. When man chooses any opinion that is "against" another, his mind is caught in the dream.

Nowhere does it say this dream is Reality. Man does not have any understanding of Reality. Are you concerned about any conspiracy or controller dialog mentioned by this blog, or from other sources? Then you are not awake yet. All of these things are part of the dream, my messages as well as every other contact with Masters and angels.

An awakening is to master life with no belief in the dream. When you awaken, you become aware that the dream is a dream, and all of those still dreaming are not awake. "Am I going to ascend?" is a question the dreamer asks. "Are we going to awaken?" is a more aware question.

All the conspiracies are not theories. Most are accurate accounts of the dream that is being acted out as a dream. None of the "hands on" descriptions are being made up by those delivering them to man's mind—except the official ones. No official claim about man's condition comes from an accurate account, only from manufactured data to lead you away from what is accurate. But, neither of these two scenarios will take you to the awakened condition. Both are distractions! Mental conviction for either matrix of materialization contains no accuracy in the big picture, only in the keyhole you are observing it through.

My message today is not about whether there is a conspiracy or no conspiracy. It is about the dream or no dream.

Chances are you do not agree with anything being claimed by me today. Why? Because we are talking about waking up to a more accurate picture than the one that is meeting your eye when it is seen through the keyhole. Please don't allow your mind to cancel this message before it learns the next attributes of being awake:
1. Clarity about how the dream is mesmerizing the mass consciousness.
2. Awareness of the Truth that mind cannot grasp.
3. Change in the consciousness of an adept to awareness of the higher realms and beyond.
4. Cancellation of those attitudes that have defeated the ascension.
5. Answers to all questions about the dream.

Making a leap in consciousness can be a direct result of discontinuing your mental concerns about the drama being enacted by all dreamers. Placing all of these dramas in a category of "dream not Reality" is a good way to begin. Next, move your attention away from all the deliverers of control vs. victim material. All of this is part of the dream and you can detach from it. Convincing yourself (or anyone else) about the accuracy of any data is mental destruction of the light.

You only deliver light from the essence of your being. Your guide to awakening is in the core of that light—in your deepest inner depths—not in the mind. Forget all the change data, all the mesmerizing conspiracy theories, all the data about human affairs, and go to this depth for your reality check. Not just for a casual glimpse, but for a deep, clear acceptance of what is found in the awareness of your own heart.

Allow the dream to be your entertainment, not part of your ongoing creation. The mind is your director of mis-understanding. Clear your mind of all outer news and open the heart for awakened awareness. We need more awakenings for the change of mass consciousness in the dream to be achieved.

We are near the ascension, and we are not content with less than all of those who chose ascension to be on this next wave. Are you awake? No? When the ascension occurs you will not be leaving.
You can awaken NOW—it needs nothing other than what I just told you in this message.

I AM THAT I AM
Ascended Master Saint Germain
Channeled by Aruna

[transiten]

Planet X "aka" Nibiru is probably Sirius, check out Walter Cruttenden the author of "Lost Star", he is the one who has come up with the theory that our Solarsystem is in binary with Sirius, veeeery interesting indeed.

On the other hand it might not - there are so many theories out there i just have to take a break and once again direct my focus inwards, finding the truth about myself. The sun is finally showing itself after endless windy rainy days and unless i'll be hit by the "bus" which is said to be falling down from the skies somewhere from the coast outside Gothenburg Sweden and "southwards" i will go to my "Paradisland" tomorrow with no computor, no cellphone, no books just strolling along the beach.

[onawah]

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[Random Name]

Nice post Camilo!

[nearing]

Okay, and this would be what exactly?

xnVSZwzuMzs

[araucaria]

I find it rather hard to believe the Sun and Sirius are an item when there are half a dozen other stars within closer range. Proxima Centaurit is about twice as close (Sirius at 8.7 light years).

Lord Sid, your page alone (with no further research on my part) suggests three questions.

First, Pioneer 11 went off in a direction where it had a 'dead star' directly in its erarview mirror?

Second, the angle the two Pioneers form with 'dead star' looks the same as the angle they form with 'tenth planet'. Does this mean something or is it just pretty graphics?

If as I understand, this article is about the Pioneer probes, what are 'dead star' and 'tenth planet' doing there in the first place?

Sorry, maybe I need to follow your links??

[OnyxKnight]

Our binary system has no gravity link with Sirius.

And I repeat, Nibiru is in pieces. Can we let it rot in peace? More important things ahead than chasing cosmic ghosts around.

[Snowbird]

Our binary system has no gravity link with Sirius.

And I repeat, Nibiru is in pieces. Can we let it rot in peace? More important things ahead than chasing cosmic ghosts around.

I'm not sure Onyx if it is possible for some to let it go. The story surrounding Nibiru contains too much excitement and intrigue. Once a Nibiru, always a Nibiru. :boom:

[OnyxKnight]

I'm not sure Onyx if it is possible for some to let it go. The story surrounding Nibiru contains too much excitement and intrigue. Once a Nibiru, always a Nibiru. :boom:

Yeah, I know what you mean. The problem is that people spend time searching for things that don't exist anymore while there are problems here at home, like people getting genetically corrupted by the food they consume.

But no, it doesn't matter to them, Nibiru is more important, and they may search for it tirelessly on and on, while munchin' on some of that putrid food I'm talking about, in front of the PC.

[MiguelQ]

BUt Elenin is over?
Because Nasa expect not!


Comet Elenin as seen by HI1-B on Aug. 6, 2011:
http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/stereoimages/preview/frame06_a.gif

s Comet Elenin passed to within just 7 million kilometers of the STEREO (Behind) spacecraft, NASA rolled the spacecraft to take a look at it (Aug. 1, 2011) with its wide angle HI-2 instrument

The comet is seen by the HI-2 telescope between August 1-5, and by the higher resolution HI-1 telescope between August 6-12. From August 15 onward, the comet enters the HI-1 telescope's nominal field of view, at which time we should enjoy continuous viewing of the comet. Over time, we expect the comet to be visible in the SOHO C3 coronagraph on September 23 for six days and possibly STEREO's COR2 coronagraph as well between August 20 and September 1.

From Earth, presently the comet is a faint smudge of light in deep sky exposures. By late August comet Elenin could be visible to the naked eye as a dim "fuzzy star" with a tail.

Last Revised: September 15, 2011 16:18:35 UTC
Responsible NASA Official: Michael L. Kaiser

Source: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/item.php?id=selects&iid=154

About the size: they have those videos to you check. This is from 12 AUG 2011

http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/stereoimages/movies/elenin_6to12aug2011_hi1.mov

[Snowbird]

I'm not sure Onyx if it is possible for some to let it go. The story surrounding Nibiru contains too much excitement and intrigue. Once a Nibiru, always a Nibiru. :boom:

Yeah, I know what you mean. The problem is that people spend time searching for things that don't exist anymore while there are problems here at home, like people getting genetically corrupted by the food they consume.

But no, it doesn't matter to them, Nibiru is more important, and they may search for it tirelessly on and on, while munchin' on some of that putrid food I'm talking about, in front of the PC.

Since we are talking about Nibiru, I am hearing and reading about contactees and channelers who are in contact with off-planet beings, mention Nibiru quite often. Do you think that they are referring to the Annunaki's spacecraft and not Nibiru?

[OnyxKnight]

Since we are talking about Nibiru, I am hearing and reading about contactees and channelers who are in contact with off-planet beings, mention Nibiru quite often.

Hi Snowbird

I'm not sure why any current channeling/ET contact cases would feature stories or information about Nibiru as if it is still there, since there is no point to that/. The topic has been beaten to death (no pun intended). I see no other point to entertaining that topic with channelers or contactees other than confirming its destruction by some means or providing the contactee with some evidence/proof of that (which I'm sure is not the case, nor will it happen).

If they push the "Nibiru is coming, prepare" propaganda, I would be very cautious as to why this is the case, and why it is pushed now, from all the time in the world. Also, I would take anything else they are told with a grain of salt. That's just me anyway.

We should be marking a decade of Nibiru's death in 2013. Any one of you wanna join the celebration? :)


Do you think that they are referring to the Annunaki's spacecraft and not Nibiru?

Unless we are talking about the scout craft, or other smaller size crafts they use to travel, then for them "spacecraft" and "Nibiru" would be one and the same thing.

[jcocks]

I'm not sure Onyx if it is possible for some to let it go. The story surrounding Nibiru contains too much excitement and intrigue. Once a Nibiru, always a Nibiru. :boom:

Yeah, I know what you mean. The problem is that people spend time searching for things that don't exist anymore while there are problems here at home, like people getting genetically corrupted by the food they consume.

But no, it doesn't matter to them, Nibiru is more important, and they may search for it tirelessly on and on, while munchin' on some of that putrid food I'm talking about, in front of the PC.

I know it's O/T for this thread, but I never remembered reading that Nibiru had been destroyed. All I remember is reading back before I was into the New-Age / alternative news scene that the asteroid belt was the remains of a planet that used to be known as Maldek....

But this whole field is littered with disinfo and rumours, as there's almost no first-hand info out there, and certainly nothing official...:(

[Hervé]

[...]
... contactees and channelers who are in contact with off-planet beings, mention Nibiru quite often. [...][/COLOR][/B]
Hi Snowbird!

Well, if they are in communication with Earth operated satellites retransmitting mind controlling brainwaves... "they" are not exactly lying... right? The messages do come from "off planet" ... voices.

[Snowbird]

[...]
... contactees and channelers who are in contact with off-planet beings, mention Nibiru quite often. [...][/COLOR][/B]
Hi Snowbird!

Well, if they are in communication with Earth operated satellites retransmitting mind controlling brainwaves... "they" are not exactly lying... right? The messages do come from "off planet" ... voices.

Good morning AZ! There exists a point at which one must begin to use a constant stream of discernment when considering certain types of information. When information stems from channelers and contactees, there is really no way to immediately prove that what is transmitted is true. There is also really no way to immediately prove that what is transmitted is false. Granted, one can dismiss this information entirely and close their mind to the possibility of expanding their mind. However, I choose to also look at information that cannot be databased or graphed or repeated during clinical laboratory trials. This is much like whistle-blower testimony. How the hell does one prove it? This channeling info always reminds me of ghost sightings. You and I could be standing in the same room and one of us would see and hear a ghost and the other would not. Who is right and who is wrong?

It is true that others are controlling the brainwaves of some. It is also true that there exist some souls who, for reasons unknown, escape this control for the most part. And too, we cannot make assumption that all ETs are out-to-get-us. Where's the balance? Do we negate everything? Do we red-flag everything?

Three people thus far have stated that planet Nibiru was destroyed in April of 2003; Stewart Swerdlow, Alex Collier and OnyxKnight. I seriously doubt that the Nibi people and the Annunakis travel by planet. I assume that they are a little more advanced than that. But then, how will we ever know for sure?

[Mandala]

I apologize if this Alfred Weber interview has been posted before. It is a question/answer update about Elenin and the brown dwarf which will become part of our binary star system.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGeXb1gfTbE&feature=related

[yiolas]

Thanks Mandala, I listened to both interviews 1 and 2 . His guest brings up some very interesting revelations, such as a new planet coming into our solar system and parking itself between Earth and Venus.

[cputrino]

Bill,

I can't tell you how refreshing this is. So many talk of not getting trapped in dogma (wether it be the 9/11 narative, etc.) We have to make sure we don't trap ourselves and others in our own dogma (e.g. Elenin). We've got to stop seeing bogeymen everywhere and scaring people, needlessly.

I'm so glad you wrote this.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Sirius White]

Precisely what I've been telling people in the new age crowd.

We are here to HELP further this work so that humanity may eventually reap the benefits of "ascension." There are ways to literally ascend out of the reincarnation cycle here, but this is rare and for the most part for the individual soul who wishes to do this. There are also ways to do this with your body, by able to become a lightbody, but this is also as equally rare and not at all a description of a "mass" event.

We have to work at it, and furthermore, we have to be vigilant and aware. Beings that claim they are going to save us and we will all just magically ascend IMO are not very honest beings. That is not to say that there might not be a "split." If there was, you simply would never know. It is not a split in which people get left behind to suffer and die. No, it is one in which those who are not ready to take the next step will simply continue existing the way they have been until they are ready :) This isn't doom and gloom. It is merely a change.

Some people called the split earth scenario (not just two earths...) the "bridge zone." But as I understand it this isn't happening. For the most part, we are going to continue our journey and ascension will become a personal process at a collective level. As if in, for those who are ready and also an amplification of intentions/agendas. There will be a "split" in those who choose to focus on the higher path of re-integration with spirit, and those who live in fear of it. It will be right here on this earth. There is no set probabiltiy, it is dynamic and changing all the time.

But we do have changes, trials and tribulations the human race has to undergo as a collective. This is a part of the "wake up process," which is akin to a very hard slap to the face- and then comes the healing and expansion of awareness. I can say IMO, that comet Elenin was not Niburu, nor was it anything particularly.."important" in the sense of material reality. BUT- it was a "sign" a synchronistic and holographic symbol that might tie into the Hopi prophecy. Or not, either-way, people tuned into Elenin and thus gave it more power than it might of even been necessary.

For anybody who was afraid that it was going to cause some catacylsm or hit us....let it be a testament to how cherished we are by the higher power and how much yet we have to learn.

[Bill Ryan]

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From UNIVERSE TODAY:

http://universetoday.com/89590/comet-elenin-disintegrated



Comet Elenin, the supposed “doomsday comet” that has inspired so much confusion and controversy since its discovery in December 2010, may have broken apart completely during its recent pass around the Sun.

(article continues...)

Meanwhile, Leonid Elenin (the comet's discoverer) appears quite certain it has broken up. Here's his website:

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/10/06/comet-elenin-disintegrated

[Hervé]

From: http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/



Saturday, October 15, 2011

Waiting for Comet Elenin



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Left Panel [top]: Image from the STEREO (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/main/index.html) H2A imager on 9 October showing Earth (bright object with long artefact spikes to the left of Centre), comet 45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdušáková (near centre with visible tail) and Neptune (far right), predicted position of Elenin shown as well. click to embiggen.

Right Panel [bottom]: Image taken of predicted position of Elenin on 12 October. Image composed of a stack of 4 x 120 second luminance exposures in the Global-Rent-a-Scope GRAS-05 (http://www.global-rent-a-scope.com/the-gras-scopes/) instrument (stacked in ImageJ (http://rsbweb.nih.gov/ij/)), tracking on the predicted position of Elenin. Images taken between 20-5 minutes before astronomical twilight, but still lots of interfering Moonlight. No object appears near Elenin's predicted position (image centre), stars down to magnitude 14 visible, the spikes are imager artefacts (click to embiggen).

Well, September 27, when comet C/2010 X1 Elenin (http://www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2010X1/2010X1.html), Earth and the Sun were aligned, has come and gone without massive earthquakes (or any earthquakes at all really, there were no quakes of M 6+ around then), the Pacific Ring of Fire did not burst with with volcanic eruptions, andwell, not much of interest happened really. Just like we astronomers predicted (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/04/comet-elenin-faq-for-worried.html).

Now we are waiting for Elenin's closest approach to Earth, on October 16 12:20 UT (that's about 11:20 pm in Australian Eastern daylight saving time. Elenin has been high enough above the morning horizon for scopes to pick up for a couple of days yet, however, bright Moonlight makes picking up dim objects not far above the horizon difficult.

Amateurs have been scanning the sky for any sign of the remnants of Elenin after it's disintegration (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/08/comet-elenins-potential-break-up-on.html), but so far no confirmed sightings. A couple of very experienced observers have reported a sighting of an object at magnitude 9-10, but many other experienced observers have found nothing down to much lower limiting magnitudes (see here (http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2011/10/c2010-x1-elenin-post-solar-conjunction.html) and here (http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/10/13/the-search-for-the-remains-of-comet-elenin-part-1/)). My images, taken with Global-Rent-a-Scope GRAS-05 (http://www.global-rent-a-scope.com/the-gras-scopes/) instrument above, don't show anything and a magnitude 10 object should have shown up with stacking.

The last reported sighting of Elenin in STEREO was by Comet Al (http://cometal-comets.blogspot.com/), in images from H2A on October 9. This was at the limit of detection, so this implies the comet remnants are around magnitude 10.5 or 11, pretty dim. My image from the STEREO H2A imager is above. I can't see anything where Elenin should be, but comet 45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdušákováand its tail are clearly visible, as is Neptune, so any remnant must be much dimmer than that. You can see an animation showing 45P's tail twisting in the solar wind here (http://home.mira.net/~reynella1/astronomy/Processed%20Registered%20Result%20of%2009-10-11_H2A-1.avi) (warning 2 meg AVI file).

If comet Elenin hadn't disintegrated, it should have been between magnitude 6.5-7.5 by now, easily visible even under the conditions we have at the moment.

That hasn't stopped the conspiracy people though, after Elenin failed to do anything doomsdayish during it's alignment with the earth and Sun, they have no moved on to worrying about Elenin's "debris field" doing something bad at the time of closest approach. However, the remnants of Elenin will be nowhere near Earth (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/09/will-fragments-of-comet-elenin-rain.html).

So, astronomers will continue to observe , looking for Elenin. As the Moonlight wanes and the comet gets higher above the horizon, we may be able to pick up some of the debris of this comet.
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# (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/10/waiting-for-comet-elenin.html) posted by Ian Musgrave @ 9:57 AM

[Dougall]

I like Bill's cold, clear vision. I agree we may be here for a very long time.
From my perspective, the world is a pretty good place, most people are going to work, obeying the law and enjoying their families.
Only a very small percentage of the population is bent on screwing it up for everyone else. The NEWS shows all the breakdowns in the world, everything going wrong all the time.
Personally I enjoy Project Camelot, and alternative media, however I tune out when it becomes too alarmist. "Oh we been lied to, Oh its all over but the crying".
Nuh-uh its not over, in fact people are going to live longer, maybe 100 - 200 years old very soon. We are in the 21st century looking at the 22nd century, and it may be the onset of new revolutionary thinking, also ancient and future technologies crossing destinies.

I think the main reason for Non Full Discloser is that people dont want to know.
If the Military could disclose some of the weird wacky stuff that goes on they would do so. Its just too freaky to hear on the news that the mother ship has made contact or whatever. Think about what people would do under those circumstances, a lot of them would assume the world was coming to an end and so anything goes.
I think science is way beyond what is commonly known, and the public is being spared future shock via spoon feeding.
In other words, if they have it in the future, they have it now.
Its going to take a while for everyone to get on the same page.

I also want to say this, Bill's not hustling apocalyptic BS says volumes about his credibility. "The end is nigh, send money" you dont hear from him.

Hey, whatever happens, happens no guarantees. I always enjoy the stuff Bill and Kerry show and I think some of it is tongue in cheek, and some is spot on.
I would love to see some more videos, however I realize they cant just make this stuff up out of thin air. They pretty much covered everything already.

[Huma]

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From UNIVERSE TODAY:

http://universetoday.com/89590/comet-elenin-disintegrated



Comet Elenin, the supposed “doomsday comet” that has inspired so much confusion and controversy since its discovery in December 2010, may have broken apart completely during its recent pass around the Sun.

(article continues...)

Meanwhile, Leonid Elenin (the comet's discoverer) appears quite certain it has broken up. Here's his website:

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/10/06/comet-elenin-disintegrated





It's funny for me to see this website cited here. I know the gentleman who owns this site on a personal and professional basis. I engaged him on the subject of UFO's for a short while. I think I got him to at least agree that we have a real physical phenomena going on. He wouldn't and does not believe ET is visiting us in any way. I suspect he would find most of you rather looney and credulous lol, but I still love ya. :). But seriously, aren't there bigger and more *ahem* "real" issues at hand to deal with?

Most of the folks in the alternative media are charlatans, people merely out to make a buck, or new age quacks, and we REALLY need to move past this kind of crap. I think bill has run into quite a lot of them in his time just with camelot let alone on other occasions. I am of the opinion, and I think there is strong evidence for some of it, that many (not all by any means) of the speakers at awake and aware fit one of these descriptions, but none the less we must press onwards.

I think bill is right to put this thing to bed, I could smell the BS on this fictitious distraction after 1 minute of reading about it. People are starving, scared, confused, and angry about whats going on around them. Let's try to address some of these issues without getting distracted by looney alternative media "shiny object syndrome".

[Brakeman]

People get so odd about comets.

All throughout history.

Glowing orbs with a bright tail in the night sky must be a magic elixir to promote irrationality and paranoia.