The death of Comet Elenin : a return to rationality?

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends:

It can be taken as fact now that Comet Elenin is no more.

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/05/the-breakup-of-comet-elenin

With its departure comes the demise (I do hope!) of a prolonged wave of irrationality that could only have been in the interests of anyone who wants to further our enslavement while we're all getting distracted by the kind of viral nonsense that's been proliferating for months now.

This honestly isn't intended to offend anyone... but it's really true. The opportunity is for those who found themselves swept up in the Elenin hysteria to learn from the valuable challenge of discerning reality from hype.

Here are the next issues where this experience might be applied:

1) The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen. It was just a calendar (whenever the Mayan New Year actually is, which is disputed). It was not the end of days, the end of time, prophecy of a rapture, or a timestamp for a mass awakening (see below). Folks, it was a calendar.

2) Ascension. Inelia described it, beautifully, as the expansion of awareness. That definition works for me. This does not happen en masse in one day, one year, or even one decade. One has to work for personal and spiritual development. Unfortunately, wisdom is not bestowed upon us by a date in anyone's diary... not even the Mayans'.

3) The Earth has not 'divided in two' (and nor will it) - and no-one's going to be 'left behind'. Really. For anyone still confused: please think, with the aid of a grounded friend if necessary, about the reductio ad absurdum involved.

4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.

5) NESARA. This may a very long time ago have had some toehold in reality, but is now definitely 100% fabrication. It'll continue to play out as long as there are those willing to believe that their 'packages' will be delivered any day now.

6) The revaluation of the dinar. If this happens, no-one will get rich. Ask anyone who was in Mexico in 1993 when the peso was revalued. It works in the same way.

So what will happen?

--- Gradually increasing earth change activity. No show-stopping catastrophe. But more earthquakes, more volcanic eruptions, and more extreme or destabilized weather. (These events may well be exacerbated by HAARP and other high-technology devices by those who relish the opportunity for fear and disruption to permit problem-reaction-solution clampdowns and control measures.)

--- Global financial instability (which may be catastrophic in an economic sense). This may be a serious threat to regular daily life because of political measures taken, and may well be upon us in the next 12 months or sooner. This is also highly likely to be artificially triggered... like some earth change events.

--- A spike of solar activity that may lead to disruption to power supplies and global telecoms. This is outside the control of any human group. In the worst case scenario, this could be heavily disruptive - including the loss of digital data, burned out chips in anything electronic (which may mean no water, fuel, or very much else), and serious disruption to infrastructure. There's credible evidence that this is a known problem which the public has not been told about apart from a few 'test' announcements and publications. (The information is out there.)

See http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html for more details.

--- Disclosure of ET existence: my $10 bet is by the end of 2013. Let's watch, wait and enjoy. (But when it happens, it will certainly not be the whole very tricky story.)

*******

In summary: we're not going to be magically and suddenly raptured or ascended out of the mess we've all made of Planet Earth. We have to face what we have done. It'll take a while. And we're the clean-up crew.

We may be able to relax a little after another couple of generations. There's no vacation, or celebration, just yet. But we are most definitely headed in the right direction - for sure.

Work on your own personal and spiritual development (there's a huge array of tools and techniques available to do so, and many of them work really well); be kind; be smart; and take responsibility for absolutely everything you can.

No-one else can do that apart from yourself. When or if that happens... is entirely up to you.

With my very best wishes to all, Bill

[gooty64]

Nice Bill!
I truly appreciate what you have shared here!
This resonates with my gut and sensibilities.
Thanks Alan

[bodhii71]

Well said.

[Spacyman]

Thanks Bill for bringing some much needed rational thoughts around here.

[kathymarie]

Thank you....I found Avalon while searching for information a few months ago on Elenin. I have foolishly let my mental state rise and fall with whatever "new" information came on Elenin and our sister sun. You know, we really can know truth when we hear it. I have learned...no ...re-learned a valuable lesson in all of this. Thank you for reminding me....and thank you for emdeavoring to keep Avalon's standards high and to keep our hearts and minds pure and true.

[Mark]

I like your scenario, Bill. if this is the case, then perhaps it is best for me to go ahead and write my books, participate in the creation of an alternative financial system, engage in passive resistance against the current system as it self-destructs and leave all of the fear-mongering to those who actually get paid by governments and the ptb to do so. What I really like about your scenario is that it totally leaves out any reference to extra-dimensional interactions with our plain old 3D reality or any of the potentialities that are put forth in the various prophecies and channelings. No Blue Kachina, no Red, no Galactic Federation, no Wave. It is very, very grounded and reassuring, I am quite sure, to many people although I'm also quite certain many others will find it a bit too dismissive but that's life.

It will be very nice to live through interesting but not cataclysmic times. My own misgivings have more to do with the extra-dimensional realities that I have personally experienced at the astral level and the reality of such things, to include the many extra-sensory perceptive abilities and how those connect to the more extreme potentialities that so many have put forth. If life is to be experienced in such a relatively mundane manner barring your extremities of paradigmatic shifting and earth change activity over the next decade or more, I will be happy to enjoy my children and my life without the nuisance of worrying about people disappearing or aliens eating my energy.

[DeDukshyn]

Very safe proclaimations.

Changing earth, global financial instability, and very predictable solar activities. Yawn. But at least the previously angry people are calmer. Wierd post in my opinion, but thanks anyway Bill.

And you are right - the change is up to us, but the extent possible goes beyond your predictions. Should we settle for first base? Perhaps I'm just in a debating mood .... ;) my 2 cents.

EDIT: I didn't mean to sound antagonistic, I'm sure I could have a very valuable discussion with Bill beyond the scope of this thread, while at the same time it may be innapropriate to discuss here with the intent of this thread - I get that.

[Kage]

I truly appreciate what you have shared here!
This resonates with my gut and sensibilities.


I second that..

Thanks for the update Bill, very nice to know..

Kg

[Seikou-Kishi]

PixieDust and I determined that Elenin saw it was heading towards Earth and committed suicide.

[PixieDust]

I have a question.

WHY did elenin break up?

Was it that the whole thing was faked and whoever planned it planned to hype it up and then be like "OHH just kidding, its gone now dont worry."

Or was there actually a mass named elenin and it just broke apart for no apparent reason?

Is that typical behavior for comets.. to just randomly break apart? Does that mean Haleys Comet is going to "die" soon?

Signed,
Confused.

:)

[SpookyMulder]

Thank you Bill. I knew I could trust my instinct by not subscribing to all the mumbo jumbo about Elenin here and there, and you have just make it even more clearer for me and for possibly everybody else in here.

The best of lies is always hidden between two truths, and it's great that you have decided to come out once again in the open, and clarify a few "odd" things.

[DeDukshyn]

Thank you....I found Avalon while searching for information a few months ago on Elenin. I have foolishly let my mental state rise and fall with whatever "new" information came on Elenin and our sister sun. You know, we really can know truth when we hear it. I have learned...no ...re-learned a valuable lesson in all of this. Thank you for reminding me....and thank you for emdeavoring to keep Avalon's standards high and to keep our hearts and minds pure and true.

Well said, Keep in mind though "truth" (not absolute Truths of which existence is governed) is generally subjective in relation to ones perspective. It can be different for individuals depending on their vibrational state.

[bodhii71]

Richard Hogland is eatin some crow right now...

[aranuk]

Bill what are you going to tell us next? There have never been any such things as UFO's, Et's visiting our planet, no underground citylike bases, no such thing as the Illuminatti, no interference on the planet in ages past by ET,s, no Fascism approaching every nation, No Ascension, PTB don't exist only governments control us? I am very aware at this moment that I am going overboard in a big way, but can you blame me? I was a "normal" person when I started watching you and Kerry's videos and I was in utter shock too about how this friggin world could be this way. Are you going to tell us next that Bob Dean and co. whom you interviewed are all a little crazy? You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher. Maybe the world is really still the same one that I left after watching Project Camelot and there is absolutely nuthin' to worry about then? Would you like to stick your neck out and tell us what you really think now about the world situation and time line? The Mayan calendar is ONLY a calendar is it. Mind you I never ever believed ALL your whistleblower videos anyway. Maybe you can tell us which whistleblowers you thought were truthful and the ones you didn't believe.

Stan

[dan33]

Thanks Bill. The horizon has been distorted in those recent years.
That's a very logical view of the future.



Reminds me of a movie I saw years ago.Starring Adriano Celentano.
His character is a convict who escapes from prison. Adriano stops the car to salute the local priest:

- "Go with God my son," says the priest
- "Thank you father, but better go with the car that I will arrive before you do"

:)

[nearing]

80_MN76jYBE

[humanalien]

I'll wait until next month before i believe anything
about Elenin. If it exists then it should be pretty
visible by then.

Kerry says that elenin was not destroyed and Mr.
Elenin is saying that it was. Kerry says her source
for that info is credible where as Mr. Elenin is the
one responsible for this whole mess.

I'll just wait and see for myself whether it's true
or not..... I'm tired of hearing stories....

[jcocks]

I'm not saying it isn't the case that elenin has broken up, but to date everyone who claims it has broken up refer us to the sydney stargazers site.... If it has indeed broken up then surely there'd be photos backing this up from many people around the world, not just the few sources that seem to exist?

There's a few sites that claim it hasn't broken up.... Even kerry believes it hasn't... Personally I'm neutral on the whole situation - but surprised there aren't more pictures of the comet haven brken up...

[cloud9]

Thank God we can put all of this behind. I wasn't living in the States in 1997 0r 1998 I'm not sure of the year but it seems that there was another comet hype similar to this one.

I was thinking today about it because even though I've been always a reader and I liked to know what was going on in the world, I didn't know about that comet then so in my country nobody lost sleep for it, there wasn't media following on it.

That shows that reality is a tricky thing and even though we share a common reality, most of the time or always is very personal.

[D-Day]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these matters. Your post brings a much needed practical perspective on issues that in recent times have been topics of great speculation and debate on this forum.

That said, I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind me asking...

Firstly, can you offer some insight into your thoughts on the so-called "galactic energy wave"? I'm interested to hear your take on this as my own research has led me to formulate the opinion that the wave indeed exists and is already starting to have certain "affects" on our planet.

And secondly, what do you think about the fact that our planet is currently making its way back into the "balance/zero point" of the galactic plane and the theories that suggest this may also have some kind of affect on the planet?

Cheers
Dan

[OnyxKnight]

What Bill has obviously forgot to mention, or include in his post, is that the comet may be in pieces, but the pieces are still on their trajectory, and are tracked with individual designation by the space agencies around the globe.

Sorry to spoil the fun, folks, but the story of Elenin is far from over.

Before I'm labeled a fearmongerer, I ask people to check my point of view on all-things-Elenin in the couple of threads where I have discussed it.

[Spacyman]

Bill what are you going to tell us next? There have never been any such things as UFO's, Et's visiting our planet, no underground citylike bases, no such thing as the Illuminatti, no interference on the planet in ages past by ET,s, no Fascism approaching every nation, No Ascension, PTB don't exist only governments control us? I am very aware at this moment that I am going overboard in a big way, but can you blame me? I was a "normal" person when I started watching you and Kerry's videos and I was in utter shock too about how this friggin world could be this way. Are you going to tell us next that Bob Dean and co. whom you interviewed are all a little crazy? You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher. Maybe the world is really still the same one that I left after watching Project Camelot and there is absolutely nuthin' to worry about then? Would you like to stick your neck out and tell us what you really think now about the world situation and time line? The Mayan calendar is ONLY a calendar is it. Mind you I never ever believed ALL your whistleblower videos anyway. Maybe you can tell us which whistleblowers you thought were truthful and the ones you didn't believe.

Stan

I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.

[Mark]

I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.

Please correct me if I am wrong here but did Bill not just make some predictive statements here regarding the future? Does he not, in effect, tell us what the truth is? I did not see Bill reference any others, any interviews, present anyone else's story. He made statements about current conspiratorial themes and stated directly and implied that many of them were hogwash. By so doing, he told his truth, his point of view, as you state, but still, the originating post in this thread was definitely not an interview, or someone else's perspective other than Bill's. By so doing, Bill has gone beyond the purview of an Interviewer and has become one who implies a direct knowledge of the future.

[Spacyman]

I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.

Please correct me if I am wrong here but did Bill not just make some predictive statements here regarding the future? Does he not, in effect, tell us what the truth is? I did not see Bill reference any others, any interviews, present anyone else's story. He made statements about current conspiratorial themes and stated directly and implied that many of them were hogwash. By so doing, he told his truth, his point of view, as you state, but still, the originating post in this thread was definitely not an interview, or someone else's perspective other than Bill's. By so doing, Bill has gone beyond the purview of an Interviewer and has become one who implies a direct knowledge of the future.

You definitely got a point!

[daddy fishwick]

Good to see some rationale! Well said Sir, now, back to business!

[truthseekerdan]

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The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen. It was just a calendar (whenever the Mayan New Year actually is, which is disputed). It was not the end of days, the end of time, prophecy of a rapture, or a timestamp for a mass awakening (see below). Folks, it was a calendar.


Very interesting rationale Bill, I guess it's coming from an expert...

This subtle insight or piece of rationale takes its form from the strange labyrinth of our perceptions to continually release an astonishing plethora of deeper insights into our deepest affinities. As we travel further within our inner life, the physical world and its hollowness, begins to disintegrate into nothingness as the light of truth begins to reveal itself. Our inborn tendency at this point is to invoke the purest energy possible to surround our well being from any impurities of physical existence.

In order to see beyond our traditional rational mind, we need to stimulate our senses with inspired inner forces that are able to help us transcend our existing comfort zone into the unknown strata of our most vulnerable self.

Much love and wisdom

[enfoldedblue]

I find it crazy that anyone deigns to act like they "KNOW" anything about how things are going to unfold. For me the beauty is in the mystery. We are living in wild, wacky and wonderful times...where bizarre is becoming more and more the norm. At this point it wouldn't surprize me if giant blue tree frogs descended from the heavens. There are so many crazy 'theories' about what will happen, and I think it can be fun to explore them...as long as we don't get too attached to any one. People shouldn't be made to feel silly for exploring anything. There have been so many people making predictions and I personally have not seen anyone with a good track record. As far as I am concerned the future us wide open...

LOVE ALLways,c

[OnyxKnight]

I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is.

Yes, if he presents an opinion or view as fact:


It can be taken as fact now that Comet Elenin is no more.


Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.

There is only one absolute truth. Everyone can interpret parts of it or the whole thing in a highly personalized fashion.

Truth has never been about points of view. Its about getting down to the simple core of things pertaining to understanding of something. You can't achieve that with people's POWs hanging around, or their opinions of things.

[ThePythonicCow]

By so doing, Bill has gone beyond the purview of an Interviewer and has become one who implies a direct knowledge of the future.
I agree with your point that Bill was not relating to us someone else's view in his post above, but rather relating his view.

I'd be inclined to reword your last few words to this:
By so doing, Bill has gone beyond the purview of an Interviewer and has become one who implies a direct knowledge of the validity of some of what we're told today.

That is, he has a pretty good idea where some of the currently visible and more serious dangers lay, and what some of the current false distractions being fed us are.

(Just my view ... good chance Bill wouldn't say it this way ;).)

[DeDukshyn]

Bill what are you going to tell us next? There have never been any such things as UFO's, Et's visiting our planet, no underground citylike bases, no such thing as the Illuminatti, no interference on the planet in ages past by ET,s, no Fascism approaching every nation, No Ascension, PTB don't exist only governments control us? I am very aware at this moment that I am going overboard in a big way, but can you blame me? I was a "normal" person when I started watching you and Kerry's videos and I was in utter shock too about how this friggin world could be this way. Are you going to tell us next that Bob Dean and co. whom you interviewed are all a little crazy? You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher. Maybe the world is really still the same one that I left after watching Project Camelot and there is absolutely nuthin' to worry about then? Would you like to stick your neck out and tell us what you really think now about the world situation and time line? The Mayan calendar is ONLY a calendar is it. Mind you I never ever believed ALL your whistleblower videos anyway. Maybe you can tell us which whistleblowers you thought were truthful and the ones you didn't believe.

Stan

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

[Mark]

That is, he has a pretty good idea where some of the currently visible and more serious dangers lay, and what some of the current false distractions being fed us are.

(Just my view ... good chance Bill wouldn't say it this way ;).)

Yes, I think I like your re-wording much better for that statement. And, I understand that this one posting does not reflect the full extent of Bill's views since there is so much more that has been discussed and that he has covered in his extensive journalistic career. I really like what Enfoldedblue said as well:


People shouldn't be made to feel silly for exploring anything. There have been so many people making predictions and I personally have not seen anyone with a good track record. As far as I am concerned the future us wide open...

[Healthy Skeptic]

Good to see some rationale! Well said Sir, now, back to business!

I second that!!
Good to see you back Bill, to restore some 'rationality' and 'sensibility'.
Your absence has been akin to a teacher leaving the classroom - the longer the teacher stays away from the room, the more 'mayhem' and 'chaos' by the students.
Now, hopefully we can all get back to 'learning' in a calm way.:typing:

[Lord Sidious]

What Bill has obviously forgot to mention, or include in his post, is that the comet may be in pieces, but the pieces are still on their trajectory, and are tracked with individual designation by the space agencies around the globe.

Sorry to spoil the fun, folks, but the story of Elenin is far from over.

Before I'm labeled a fearmongerer, I ask people to check my point of view on all-things-Elenin in the couple of threads where I have discussed it.

Fearmonger isn't one of the labels I would plant on you.
Nugget yeah, fearmonger? No.
Welcome back too.

Funny enough, I agree with Bill about the calendar deal.
Now don't go getting stunned out there avalonuggets, it is all ok. :p
2012 to me is pure nuggetry.
How many calendars have we had in the west? How do we KNOW that 2012, even if it did mean something hasn't come and gone?
And, if you recall, we have been told that things are event driven on this planet, not time driven.
I think that is more true than not.

[Adem]

Ok now what the hell now its not coming and all of a sudden has broken up. The more I read in these forums the more clear it becomes that all this is BS. I dont mean to be rude but it seems like this thing is just a money making thing.

Name one thing that people has written in this forum that has came true.

I think I will be unregistered from this site soon.

Peace all

[OnyxKnight]

Fearmonger isn't one of the labels I would plant on you.
Nugget yeah, fearmonger? No.
Welcome back too.

Funny enough, I agree with Bill about the calendar deal.
Now don't go getting stunned out there avalonuggets, it is all ok. :p
2012 to me is pure nuggetry.
How many calendars have we had in the west? How do we KNOW that 2012, even if it did mean something hasn't come and gone?
And, if you recall, we have been told that things are event driven on this planet, not time driven.
I think that is more true than not.

Thanks Sid :)

I was just commenting on the Elenin thing. I shoudl probably comment on the rest of the post too. I don't wanna come off as selective.

But since you brought up the Mayan calendar and 2012, I myself like many others don't think anything special is gonna happen. At least nothing natural. Maybe an orchestrated event could occur.

There are many other things to look forward to in my opinion.

[MiguelQ]

I just want et to come and disrupt political system.
Everything different its not important, disclosure would be good, but they are already late, thats like a fact to me. However i feel sad,since they,et,do nothing in public, huge,just to let people know. This world must shift. And im getting sick of this stories... its always waiting, i want action now.
ITs always bad news, the economy, the quackes, the earth end, the depopulation, the viral weapons,weather control,.. when this is going to end??

How can et watch this, and do nothing? I dont understand, but something must be wrong!!

[DeDukshyn]

What Bill has obviously forgot to mention, or include in his post, is that the comet may be in pieces, but the pieces are still on their trajectory, and are tracked with individual designation by the space agencies around the globe.

Sorry to spoil the fun, folks, but the story of Elenin is far from over.

Before I'm labeled a fearmongerer, I ask people to check my point of view on all-things-Elenin in the couple of threads where I have discussed it.

Fearmonger isn't one of the labels I would plant on you.
Nugget yeah, fearmonger? No.
Welcome back too.

Funny enough, I agree with Bill about the calendar deal.
Now don't go getting stunned out there avalonuggets, it is all ok. :p
2012 to me is pure nuggetry.
How many calendars have we had in the west? How do we KNOW that 2012, even if it did mean something hasn't come and gone?
And, if you recall, we have been told that things are event driven on this planet, not time driven.
I think that is more true than not.

Yet, How many western calendars have spanned millions of distinct years and days, created at times when we just emerged from caves, and even coincided with astrological ages and calendars (covering the 12 ages of the 26,000 year precessional cycle) across a continent with "no communications"? There more here than meets even Bill's proclaimed eye (as stated in this thread only). Just an observation ;)


EDIT: I am ever amazed at why people appear to constantly remove initial thanks from my posts (not in reference to Sid - if anything he is over gratuitous ;)) ... Hehe I guess that I have that effect ... Take what you will, leave the rest for when you can understand -- yep I said it. ;)

[Healthy Skeptic]

I dont mean to be rude but it seems like this thing is just a money making thing.

Huh???? What do you mean by this? :confused:

[Lazlo]

80_MN76jYBE

Nearing, you rock! That totally made my day

[<8>]

What Bill are trying to say: keep your feet on the ground. (i think)
About:
The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen.
May i sugesst: I dont think anything will happend. (next time)
Because no one really knows, do we?

[DeDukshyn]

This thread was not for me ... I'm a slow learner ... ;) Blessings and love to all!

[Healthy Skeptic]

What Bill are trying to say: keep your feet on the ground. (i think)
About:
The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen.
May i sugesst: I dont think anything will happend. (next time)
Because no one really knows, do we?

That's Life. We NEVER know what is around the next corner.

[OnyxKnight]

4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.

I need to adress this one. It can't be a brown dwarf, since the gravity fluctuations observed in the outer reaches of the Solar system are to big to be caused by a brown drawf. It has to be something way, way more massive and dense. A very dim red dwarf fits the profile.


6) The revaluation of the dinar. If this happens, no-one will get rich. Ask anyone who was in Mexico in 1993 when the peso was revalued. It works in the same way.

I can confirm this one.


So what will happen?

--- Global financial instability (which may be catastrophic in an economic sense). This may be a serious threat to regular daily life because of political measures taken, and may well be upon us in the next 12 months or sooner. This is also highly likely to be artificially triggered... like some earth change events.

Sooner. Second economic crisis.


--- Disclosure of ET existence: my $10 bet is by the end of 2013. Let's watch, wait and enjoy. (But when it happens, it will certainly not be the whole very tricky story.)

*******

With all do respect Bill, but didn't you make such predictions before (where nothing happened), on that very matter? ET contact etc.?

I wouldn't bet a cent on this at all. It won't happen.

[Lord Sidious]

What Bill are trying to say: keep your feet on the ground. (i think)
About:
The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen.
May i sugesst: I dont think anything will happend. (next time)
Because no one really knows, do we?

That's Life. We NEVER know what is around the next corner.

Probably a damn speed camera. :p

[Hervé]

:frusty::moil:



Hi Bill! Welcome back to the gladiator arena!



I am so glad to see I am in good company in the non-debate of actual facts vs beliefs and propaganda... tough position especially when one contradicts revered figures of the propaganda machine.


Thanks for the thread.

[truth4me]

Bill what are you going to tell us next? There have never been any such things as UFO's, Et's visiting our planet, no underground citylike bases, no such thing as the Illuminatti, no interference on the planet in ages past by ET,s, no Fascism approaching every nation, No Ascension, PTB don't exist only governments control us? I am very aware at this moment that I am going overboard in a big way, but can you blame me? I was a "normal" person when I started watching you and Kerry's videos and I was in utter shock too about how this friggin world could be this way. Are you going to tell us next that Bob Dean and co. whom you interviewed are all a little crazy? You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher. Maybe the world is really still the same one that I left after watching Project Camelot and there is absolutely nuthin' to worry about then? Would you like to stick your neck out and tell us what you really think now about the world situation and time line? The Mayan calendar is ONLY a calendar is it. Mind you I never ever believed ALL your whistleblower videos anyway. Maybe you can tell us which whistleblowers you thought were truthful and the ones you didn't believe.

StanSounds like to me your calling Bill Ryan out but you do make valid points especially on the Atticus material. I can't speak for Bill Ryan but he's always seemed like a stand up guy and I personally think he is. Besides that I hope he's right about Elenin. I would hate for him to be wrong and we get hammered then no one might be around to say your were right Stan.....

[Ernie Nemeth]

I haven't bought into any of this stuff. And I try to ground with my posts.
So, thanks Bill.
Whatever happens, we cannot escape the personal work we must all do.
Guess I'd better get another job then - and pay my credit cards off after all.

[Healthy Skeptic]

... I'm a slow learner ...

Aren't we all in our own 'individual' ways?? :p

[OnyxKnight]

Sounds like to me your calling Bill Ryan out but you do make valid points especially on the Atticus material. I can't speak for Bill Ryan but he's always seemed like a stand up guy and I personally think he is. Besides that I hope he's right about Elenin. I would hate for him to be wrong and we get hammered then no one might be around to say your were right Stan.....


I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.


While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

Aranuk made valid response. Things have been introduced, only to be dismissed later. How long are we gonna do this?

If we see more future posts like this from Bill, then we should see a "clean up" in the video gallery as well, as much of the interviews he has made would serve no importance and would only take up space. People change their viewpoint and opinion based on new evidence. Have we seen any evidence of the listed things in the original post? I would say, not much. Despite that, it was presented in a matter-of-fact frame and offered as a fact, and that it should be taken as such.

What i do not understand on the other hand, is why all of you three would confront Aranuk on his post?

[DeDukshyn]

... I'm a slow learner ...

Aren't we all in our own 'individual' ways?? :p

I find I'm often being a right-ass when someone is trying to make a point about something specific ... Rob can attest to this I am sure ... But it doesn't mean I don't have a point, though .... ;)

[Lazlo]

I'd take the $10 dollar bet, but really, Bill is not that far out there.
At this point any third grader could call economic instability (but most MSM economic talking heads haven't made it to the third grade yet)
I am willing to go along with Planet X, and take Bill's word that he has some good intel. Plus there was some official buzz in the 80's that never quite got resolved.
He's right that people aren't taking solar activity serious enough, I work in the power biz and it's scary stuff.
GRADUALLY escalating Earth Changes, sure.

But, (and I don't actually believe this to be the case, Bill's probably right, just for the record) If Elenin comes back into the view of STEREO on sept 23 and it's still in one piece, he's gonna have to eat some crow.

One more thing for the record, if Elenin really is done, I am going to put Hoagland up on a pedestal that I currently have reserved for Sorcha Faal.

Oh yeah, and Bill: Good for you for standing up and saying what you believe to be true, even if it isn't popular with all of the membership.:rockon:

[DeDukshyn]

Sounds like to me your calling Bill Ryan out but you do make valid points especially on the Atticus material. I can't speak for Bill Ryan but he's always seemed like a stand up guy and I personally think he is. Besides that I hope he's right about Elenin. I would hate for him to be wrong and we get hammered then no one might be around to say your were right Stan.....


I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.


While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

Aranuk made valid response. Things have been introduced, only to be dismissed later. How long are we gonna do this?

If we see more future posts like this from Bill, then we should see a "clean up" in the video gallery as well, as much of the interviews he has made would serve no importance and would only take up space. People change their viewpoint and opinion based on new evidence. Have we seen any evidence of the listed things in the original post? I would say, not much. Despite that, it was presented in a matter-of-fact frame and offered as a fact, and that it should be taken as such.

What i do not understand on the other hand, is why all of you three would confront Aranuk on his post?

My point was extremely specific why .. is there a question for me? I'd be glad to respond.

[ponda]

There's probably a lot going on that we can't see.The carbon decay rates are changing for some reason...something to do with what the sun is now emitting.There is not only weather extremes but very strange weather and other phenomena.Spirals in the sky,birds dropping from the sky,sink holes etc.And we are now approaching this ribbon of unknown energy.

[aranuk]

T4Me I never mentioned Elenin. I also never predicted anything would happen. I am worried that there might be no one around to tell me I was right even for the fact that I never said such a thing.

Stan

[DeDukshyn]

:frusty::moil:



Hi Bill! Welcome back to the gladiator arena!



I am so glad to see I am in good company in the non-debate of actual facts vs beliefs and propaganda... tough position especially when one contradicts revered figures of the propaganda machine.


Thanks for the thread.

If only "facts" were what they are cracked up to be .. I recall the universe revolving around the earth being a "provable" fact at one point in time ... just saying.

[Hervé]

:frusty::moil:


Hi Bill! Welcome back to the gladiator arena!



I am so glad to see I am in good company in the non-debate of actual facts vs beliefs and propaganda... tough position especially when one contradicts revered figures of the propaganda machine.

Thanks for the thread.

If only "facts" were what they are cracked up to be .. I recall the universe revolving around the earth being a "provable" fact at one point in time ... just saying.

Not everyone works for NASA...

[DeDukshyn]

:frusty::moil:


Hi Bill! Welcome back to the gladiator arena!



I am so glad to see I am in good company in the non-debate of actual facts vs beliefs and propaganda... tough position especially when one contradicts revered figures of the propaganda machine.

Thanks for the thread.

If only "facts" were what they are cracked up to be .. I recall the universe revolving around the earth being a "provable" fact at one point in time ... just saying.

Not everyone works for NASA...

Just like not everyone should be purporting "facts" ... I think I may have quoted the wrong post though .... not sure what happened there. EDIT: Nope .. I got it right ...

[Carmen]

Nearing, the video you posted made my day. Nothing going on at all!!! I dunno what we are all here for!!:confused:

[DeDukshyn]

Sounds like to me your calling Bill Ryan out but you do make valid points especially on the Atticus material. I can't speak for Bill Ryan but he's always seemed like a stand up guy and I personally think he is. Besides that I hope he's right about Elenin. I would hate for him to be wrong and we get hammered then no one might be around to say your were right Stan.....


I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.


While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

Aranuk made valid response. Things have been introduced, only to be dismissed later. How long are we gonna do this?

If we see more future posts like this from Bill, then we should see a "clean up" in the video gallery as well, as much of the interviews he has made would serve no importance and would only take up space. People change their viewpoint and opinion based on new evidence. Have we seen any evidence of the listed things in the original post? I would say, not much. Despite that, it was presented in a matter-of-fact frame and offered as a fact, and that it should be taken as such.

What i do not understand on the other hand, is why all of you three would confront Aranuk on his post?

Wow, I just read this fully again. Oxy, try for a moment to consider how each of these responses is correct from it's point of view instead of how you saw this as a confrontation towards Anurak. What I don't understand, is how you see these posts as being confrontational. Herein lies the issue. I love you man but I'm strong on this statement. Consider it before responding.

[Healthy Skeptic]

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

What about the following?

"About researchers and whistleblowers :
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008"

Found on : http://projectcamelotportal.com/
Under "Disclaimer" in the left hand column.

Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide the truth, or lack of, the material presented.

[DeDukshyn]

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

What about the following?

"About researchers and whistleblowers :
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008"

Found on : http://projectcamelotportal.com/
Under "Disclaimer" in the left hand column.

Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide of the truth of the material.

Indeed. ;)

[Arrowwind]

Please correct me if I am wrong here but did Bill not just make some predictive statements here regarding the future? Does he not, in effect, tell us what the truth is? I did not see Bill reference any others, any interviews, present anyone else's story. He made statements about current conspiratorial themes and stated directly and implied that many of them were hogwash. By so doing, he told his truth, his point of view, as you state, but still, the originating post in this thread was definitely not an interview, or someone else's perspective other than Bill's. By so doing, Bill has gone beyond the purview of an Interviewer and has become one who implies a direct knowledge of the future.

I will not be correcting you because I think you are absolutley correct.

Like so many others on this forum Bill speaks his truth as though it is absolute.

[truth4me]

T4Me I never mentioned Elenin. I also never predicted anything would happen. I am worried that there might be no one around to tell me I was right even for the fact that I never said such a thing.

Stan Look at your first sentence in your original reply. "Bill what are you going to tell us next?" The main point in Bill's thread is that Elenin is gone. Then he gives his thoughts on the matter. What I mean by "calling out" is that your asking Bill to explain himself. By reading your reply it seems to me your mad at Bill for some reason. If I'm assuming to much please forgive me. For the record I do believe Bill was off the mark on Atticus and you made a valid point IMHO about it. If Bill doesn't start the thread about Elenin then would you have ask the question "Bill what are you going to tell us next?".....again if I offended you please accept my apology. We are all truth seekers and to me that is the main point of the forum.

[dreamer]

i wonder how this will resonate at the conference... think i would get weird vibes with David Wilcock teaching of the ascention, prophecy, and all.. and then..


hmm.. ill have to think about this.


man.. dismising all the mayan 2012 material... thats a bit for me to do at this point, ive ben shown so much, and it all fits, i would apreciate somthing to back this dismissal up...

[Spacyman]

Sounds like to me your calling Bill Ryan out but you do make valid points especially on the Atticus material. I can't speak for Bill Ryan but he's always seemed like a stand up guy and I personally think he is. Besides that I hope he's right about Elenin. I would hate for him to be wrong and we get hammered then no one might be around to say your were right Stan.....


I understand your frustration but maybe you should keep in mind that Bill is no guru. He does not tell you what the truth is. Like a reporter he interviews people, presents their story to who wants to hear it and, as only goal, the will to broaden people's horizons. Truth is a point of view. Make your own.


While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

Aranuk made valid response. Things have been introduced, only to be dismissed later. How long are we gonna do this?

If we see more future posts like this from Bill, then we should see a "clean up" in the video gallery as well, as much of the interviews he has made would serve no importance and would only take up space. People change their viewpoint and opinion based on new evidence. Have we seen any evidence of the listed things in the original post? I would say, not much. Despite that, it was presented in a matter-of-fact frame and offered as a fact, and that it should be taken as such.

What i do not understand on the other hand, is why all of you three would confront Aranuk on his post?

I did not want to confront the guy... He was in my opinion, overreacting in a negative way. Just wanted to put some perspective into play. You are indeed allowed to disagree but my intervention was made with good intentions.

Cheers,

[Arrowwind]

[Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide of the truth of the material.

Indeed. ;)

Is it fully up to us? Is there no personal responsibility for what one puts energy into, for what one promotes? for what one spends their time associating with? and for what one encourages others to participate in?

Is there no sense of co-creation? are we not co-creating reality?

Bill carries a responsibility for all that his whistleblowers present because he gives them a format, a time in space, and lots of energy
and works diligently to bring people like us into what ever he chooses to present. He is not without responsibility for all that he presents.

[Arrowwind]

Oh and in regards to the break up of Elinen,

I had been wondering how long it would take for another terror story to hit the net when Elinen didn't pan out.

How long do you think? a Year? a month? a week?

We should not fear! We all know the Glactic Federation destroyed it to save humanity, right ? eh?
after all, according to some, they had been driving the dang thing :rolleyes:

[Healthy Skeptic]

[Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide of the truth of the material.

Is it fully up to us? Is there no personal responsibility for what one puts energy into, for what one promotes? for what one spends their time associating with? and for what one encourages others to participate in?

Is there no sense of co-creation? are we not co-creating reality?

Bill carries a responsibility for all that his whistleblowers present because he gives them a format, a time in space, and lots of energy
and works diligently to bring people like us into what ever he chooses to present. He is not without responsibility for all that he presents.

Bill is entitled to his own opinions/beliefs like the rest of us are. He is not 'responsible' for what he presents. (Didn't you read the 'Disclaimer'?).
He is not a 'Guru' or 'God' that we MUST agree with his beliefs or opinions just because he runs this Website.
This is what this Forum is all about.
We must all respect each others opinions/beliefs however much they might contradict our own perceptions/beliefs. People don't have to take whatever Bill presents or says as 'Gospel'.

[sygh]

Dear Bill,

I couldn't agree with you more, Ollie. And as far as clean-up crews go, I, along with so many others, am happily working upon that very thing. We will build, plant, and use our resources more, and more wisely with each passing year. Here, in the U.S. we will build trains for mass transit. We will plant trees, and clean rivers. We will create ocean farms, releasing a % of that which is created back into the wild. Our towns and cities will become sustainable. We will utilize our waste material. And we will over-come our dependence upon oil, weaning ourselves from that bottle. Life will change for the better, as we wave goodbye to forecasts based on projections of "business as usual". The scientists and engineers at companies like Monsanto, will wake up and realize they have an absolute moral responsibility to the universe itself, which surpasses any paycheck they could possibly earn. These people will turn Monsanto around.

All this, and more, so much more, will be accomplished. And it will be done because what we are talking about here is sacred.

[jcocks]

I think, if anything, Bill may have been a little overzealous about putting up Elenins' tombstone and pronouncing Time Of Death just yet...... But even if good ol' El is dust, there are still two more comets coming our way, one a lot closer to Earth than Elenin was ever going to get.....

So the comet story is not over yet...

Secondly, everybody still seems to think the flase-flag will be terror-related. I think that's unlikely. Bin Laden was "killed off" for a reason. They're going to move on to something bigger and better, while the various terror groups go about their business of periodically reassuring us of the need for the "anti-terrorism" provisions that are in place.

Two likelihoods for what will come next, IMHO :

1.) False-flag alien attack. This has been in the planning for many many years, and the elenin debacle may have been acting as a distraction from what we SHOULD have been looking at (honda or Levy)....

2.) Flare up in relation to Israel... Things seem to be heating up over there yet again...

My bet is on the alien attack personally, as I think that will be the event that gives TPTB open-slather to get what they want through (think about the FEAR it would cause - the sheeple would do ANYTHING for a "benevolant dictatorship" who would protect them against a threat TOTALLY ALIEN to us!). It also allows them to "come clean" with *SOME* of the truth of what has been occurring in the past, and the technologies they have held secret.

My main problem with terrorist group situations is that that horse has been flogged into a bloody pulp. There's no more horse left to flog (though plenty of our fellow sheeple wouldn't agree).

[DeDukshyn]

i wonder how this will resonate at the conference... think i would get weird vibes with David Wilcock teaching of the ascention, prophecy, and all.. and then..


hmm.. ill have to think about this.


man.. dismising all the mayan 2012 material... thats a bit for me to do at this point, ive ben shown so much, and it all fits, i would apreciate somthing to back this dismissal up...

From all my leanings it is a "due date" only, and whether early or late or how the birth goes and what is born is up to us ... my 2 cents.

[sandy]

I think that the many distractions are purposeful as they keep us all from realizing that Agenda 21 is more on track than ever...............................as we are being radiated all over the earth, weather wars are exaserbating weather changes creating droughts, floods, fires to add to the radiated lands everywhere>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So IMO staying fearful keeps one from realizing that we are being destroyed daily and soon there will be so little food that starvation will be upon the earth and the elite will run for their DUMB'S when the final blows will be solar in nature and they will wait out their existance until it is safe to emerge.

Just baffle me how this whole scenario is not mentioned let alone talked about???

[Bollinger]

I think this thread and many others like it is a platform to express opinion and provoke discussion. So far as that side of it is concerned, it is fine. Where something is stated as being “fact”, then I get worried because people often try to do it without the burden of proof and then of course it carries no value at all.

The statements Bill made in the initial post are (as far as I can tell) more opinions than matters of fact, and like all opinions, they are based on very human traits such as a “feeling”, or “intuition” or “an informed guess”, or “the word of someone we love or trust” and so on. All that is absolutely fine because it’s what makes us who and what we are.

Having said that, I do find though that the degree of variety of the type of person that visits and contributes to these pages varies disproportionately with the size of the community as a whole. It is almost like another planet with so few inhabitants and yet so many different traits and viewpoints.

So why do people come here? Why did I come here? There must be some underlying, all-encompassing reason and purpose that we feel compelled to visit these pages and even contribute. What is that underlying reason? I would say that it is first and foremost, to ascertain truth. The cause is almost certainly the fact that we have all lost faith in the mainstream version of events (in whatever form they are delivered) and therefore we look for truth in other places.

If you look at Bill’s statements, they are delivered almost like a newsreader on television. Several short statements, (no time for any proof or substantiation) but we are invited to assume there is some sort of machinery behind it that has already done the research and we can just take it for granted and accept it. I don’t believe that was the intention but in my reading between the lines, certainly where his predictions are concerned, they are simply his own personal opinions and nothing more. My reason for saying this is that Bill is telling us the information is out there (on the Internet he means) for all to see; so for once there is no big-shot whistleblower in sight.

One of the posts in reply to it did however say something about Bill’s post being somewhat out of character, “weird”, I think was the word used, and I agree with that. But do not forget that, if I’m not mistaken, Bill is undergoing a tremendous change in his personal life at the moment (primarily one of falling in love for want of a better term) and that, as we all know, does strange things to a person, including your opinions and outlook. One of the more common fallouts of such an event is that you become more hopeful, more tolerant, more passive and less aggressive in all your words and deeds and that is absolutely fine with me.

If I was to paraphrase Bill’s entire post in one line, I believe what he’s saying at the moment is this:

Life’s still hard and we will all die, but not at the same time and not yet.

[mosquito]

...... dismising all the mayan 2012 material... thats a bit for me to do at this point, ive ben shown so much, and it all fits, i would apreciate somthing to back this dismissal up...

You don't have to ! Just ignore all the Calleman bullsh1t ! If you're interested inthe Mayan calendar - ASK THE MAYANS not some jumped up, self-proclaimed "expert".
I started as thread on this subject a couple of months back, I have absolutely no idea how to link to it though !!!

[the trojan]

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, this statement is not true (sorry my integrity .. it makes me do this ...) "... You assured us all that Atticus was for real and kosher ...". Bill only ever said he believes Atticus was telling the truth (and 90% of what he said was truth - how he got away with it for so long .. obviously), and that he was "letting it play out" he never endorsed it wholly -- that is obvious if you go back and read Bill's posts at the time. But again I agree with the sentiment there is much more than "earth changes", "solar activity", and "financial instability" -- any two of those are always happening perpetually over all time ... Bill is trying to touch base again with old members and trying to ground himself after some time with Inelia ... it is not up to us nor a good time for pulling this apart as my edit in my previous post indicated. My 2 cents ... could wrong, but ... ;)

What about the following?

"About researchers and whistleblowers :
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008"

Found on : http://projectcamelotportal.com/
Under "Disclaimer" in the left hand column.

Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide the truth, or lack of, the material presented.

This being "the get out clause",does it also apply to the statements made by Bill that initiated this post?

[<8>]

What Bill are trying to say: keep your feet on the ground. (i think)
About:
The Calleman Mayan calendar date. Nothing will happen.
May i sugesst: I dont think anything will happend. (next time)
Because no one really knows, do we?

That's Life. We NEVER know what is around the next corner.

Probably a damn speed camera. :p

A speed camera works fine,:) at least you have a choice next time you take "that" corner..:P

[yiolas]

With all due respect to the founder of Avalon Bill Ryan and all my fellow Avalonians,
I would like to point out that none of us here were born 'Chicken Little' believing that the sky is going to fall ! Those of us interested in Comet Elenin are doing so, as a result of attempting to make sense of all the strange phenomena going on around us in the last few months. Surely after watching the video below, which is a synopsis of current earth changes and strange events, one will wonder what is causing them.

It could be due to Comet Elenin, Nibiru, the "Ribbon" of energy as described by NASA scientist, the effects of zero point, our alignment with the galactic center, the end of the Mayan Calendar, approaching aliens, etc. , etc.

After all, what binds us here on PA is our curious minds and our innate wonder of the universe. You can't blame us for that Bill.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcsWU7KDdG4&feature=player_embedded#!

[araucaria]

I personally like to sit on the fence; not very well grounded you may say, but I make sure the fence is firmly grounded…. Here’s a little real-life molecular gastronomy experiment you may like to try for yourself at home. Unlike mayonnaise, for some mysterious reason it seems to work every time.

(TV chef’s hat on): Take two fresh eggs and beat them in a bowl with seasoning and a little milk or water until you have a very fluid mix. Place in a saucepan with a knob of butter, applying energy in the form of heat and mechanical stirring with a wooden spoon to spread the heat evenly throughout.

Do this for 3-4 minutes, all the time reciting the mantra ‘nothing’s gonna happen nothing’s gonna happen nothing’s gonna happen… nothing’s gonna happen nothing’s gonna ha ha!’

This ha ha! moment means that your scrambled eggs are nicely solid and ready to serve piping hot. Enjoy!

[Davidallany]

Keep the love flame alive and chakras energetic. Time is an illusion; and keep watching David Icke and the fake moon above us. Rome has not fallen just yet. 2 or a hundred generation will not work. The world is slowly slipping back into sleep, but I won't let it on my side. Please don't forget to donate generously to Bill and Kerry, for their mission is far from over. And keep watching the sky.
vMnLoOnrwbg

[ktlight]

Thanks, Bill. So, no earth polar flip over then?

[onawah]

I welcome Bill's opinion and grounding presence here again.
The more we can get away from fear-based interpretations of the current news stories, the better, and there has seemed to be a lot of those lately.
Bill has a huge advantage over most of us in that he has had direct contact with a lot of people who have direct experience and knowledge about a lot of what we discuss here, and has access to relevant insider information that doesn't get circulated publicly.
While that doesn't make his perspectives infallible, it certainly makes them worthy of close consideration.

I would like to hear Bill's views on the theory of the 2 earths and the splitting of realities, which I personally think will go the way of the Elenin story.

[astrid]

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/05/the-breakup-of-comet-elenin/

[Daft Ada]

I'm completely with you Bill. I was saying something very similar in another thread and getting flamed for it. :rolleyes:

[Daft Ada]

What Bill has obviously forgot to mention, or include in his post, is that the comet may be in pieces, but the pieces are still on their trajectory, and are tracked with individual designation by the space agencies around the globe.

Sorry to spoil the fun, folks, but the story of Elenin is far from over.

Before I'm labeled a fearmongerer, I ask people to check my point of view on all-things-Elenin in the couple of threads where I have discussed it. Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Everybody ... just my 2 cents...

We all have a right to our opinion and to express our freewill ect etc ...

Yes, lets be rational... but at the same time lets not forget our spiritual side, and how we got here ... take your thoughts to where you want to go, towards the reality you want to create...after all, is it not our thought processes that got us here in the first place... our limitations have been somewhat stifled ... for obvious reasons ... they will no longer be supported by the old pardigms ... collapse is inevitable ... and with this, new ways will be introduced.

My gut feeling tells me that we are on the cusp of huge change and humanity will be going somewhere amazingly wonderful...don't be kept within the confines of what is presented to us daily...remember we are the creators...lets keep an open mind as to whats around the corner...no one person knows exactly what will be the next few years, and no one has been gifted with such knowledge...change is in the air, and we all here to for a reason ...

I think we will be invited to be part of the Galactic family very soon...we have been shrouded for thousands of years, and our time is coming... when the veil is lifted humanity will rise to extraordinary heights and awareness/consciousness will be far greater than what anyone can imagine at this moment in time ... we are limted at the moment ... but it will change.

viking

[jcocks]

Here's another thing to think about :

What about the debris field of this comet? Aren't we still to go through it in... november I think? (I may be wrong - please correct me if I am)

Now that the comet has apparently broken up, this debris field should be larger right?

So perhaps this story won't be over until we've gone through the debris field... if anything, it may be quite a lightshow....

[christian]

2) Ascension. Inelia described it, beautifully, as the expansion of awareness. That definition works for me. This does not happen en masse in one day, one year, or even one decade. One has to work for personal and spiritual development. Unfortunately, wisdom is not bestowed upon us by a date in anyone's diary... not even the Mayans'.

At the end of the day it's all about personal responsibility anyways, I agree, but what about the notion, that due to our solar system's movement to a "higher charged" part of the universe, we can profit from a higher energy permeating the whole solar system, like David Wilcock says and he does make quite a case with plenty of scientific evidence.


3) The Earth has not 'divided in two' (and nor will it) - and no-one's going to be 'left behind'. Really. For anyone still confused: please think, with the aid of a grounded friend if necessary, about the reductio ad absurdum involved.

The universe doesn't have to apply to your or anyone's logic. From my understanding myriads of parallel universes are created in any given moment, so whatever, the current situation seems totally unprecedented in the whole universe. I wonder 'who' exactly the 'subconscious' is, that feeds Dolores Cannon with all the information about the splitting of the earth.


4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.

That's a pretty bold statement. How do you know 'what' Planet X is and when it will be 'announced'? How do you know that some Annunaki wouldn't come down, when and if it passes?


So what will happen?

No one knows. What you see for the future is pretty much conservative common sense, far from all-encompassing. How about the wars? How about the spreading insurrections and civil unrest? How about the creation of more and more intentional communities and the awakening? How about free energy and technological breakthroughs? How about more false flags and so many other possibilities?


In summary: we're not going to be magically and suddenly raptured or ascended out of the mess we've all made of Planet Earth. We have to face what we have done. It'll take a while. And we're the clean-up crew.

We may be able to relax a little after another couple of generations. There's no vacation, or celebration, just yet. But we are most definitely headed in the right direction - for sure.

Work on your own personal and spiritual development (there's a huge array of tools and techniques available to do so, and many of them work really well); be kind; be smart; and take responsibility for absolutely everything you can.

No-one else can do that apart from yourself. When or if that happens... is entirely up to you.

These are indeed grounded and inspiring statements, Bill. Nevertheless, occasional celebrations do provide a substantial boost, to keep the moral high, I figure, in fact all life can be a joyful celebration, you get through it either with a smile or you don't make it at all, I heard.


I just want et to come and disrupt political system.
Everything different its not important, disclosure would be good, but they are already late, thats like a fact to me. However i feel sad,since they,et,do nothing in public, huge,just to let people know. This world must shift. And im getting sick of this stories... its always waiting, i want action now.
ITs always bad news, the economy, the quackes, the earth end, the depopulation, the viral weapons,weather control,.. when this is going to end??

How can et watch this, and do nothing? I dont understand, but something must be wrong!!

How about instead of waiting for the ETs taking self-responsibility? :eyebrows: Didn't your hear about the prime directive of non-interference and that humanity learns most efficiently through self-responsible action? We're not here to put our feet up and let someone else come to do the job, support is given though in a subtle manner when it is asked for and appreciated.

[spiritguide]

After reading through this entire thread and the diverse viewpoints my conclusion is as it was and will be......"The Universe is unfolding as it is meant to do and to be at Peace with oneself as part of it is what feels right!" There are countless points of light and together they make for a brilliiant daylight and if we do not let them shine for what each is we will descend into the darkness of night.

Peace! :peace:

[Daft Ada]

What Bill has obviously forgot to mention, or include in his post, is that the comet may be in pieces, but the pieces are still on their trajectory, and are tracked with individual designation by the space agencies around the globe.

Sorry to spoil the fun, folks, but the story of Elenin is far from over.

Before I'm labeled a fearmongerer, I ask people to check my point of view on all-things-Elenin in the couple of threads where I have discussed it.

Fearmonger isn't one of the labels I would plant on you.
Nugget yeah, fearmonger? No.
Welcome back too.

Funny enough, I agree with Bill about the calendar deal.
Now don't go getting stunned out there avalonuggets, it is all ok. :p
2012 to me is pure nuggetry.
How many calendars have we had in the west? How do we KNOW that 2012, even if it did mean something hasn't come and gone?
And, if you recall, we have been told that things are event driven on this planet, not time driven.
I think that is more true than not.
Has anybody considered that there may be a Mayan calendar that continues on from the last one that they haven't found yet? Could it be that there just wasn't room on the damn stone to carve any more dates? Maybe the bloke who carved them got another job? maybe he only had one chisel and broke it on that entry? maybe the chief said why the hell are you carving so many dates on there, we won't live to see them? and he said, oh I just wanted to fill up the empty space to make it look nice :rolleyes:

[SkepticSoul]

The scenario you are telling us Bill is that for another couple years we going to live with the fear mongering while all these catastrophies are happening like earthquakes/volcanoes/floods etc... even solar flares is danger!
You say ascension takes a long time. I think you are referring to the ascension of the person in 3D instead of your actual soul?
If time is speeding up, why is it so unconceivable to think that ascension (for the old and educated souls out here) is possible?
What i'm seeing from Bill (which is very good but there's sumthing missing^^) is that he presents his toughts from an entirely information gathering stand point, namely 'information' from this 3d reality.

and you also state about the ancient calenders that they are 'just' calenders. If they were 'just' calenders why would they in ancient times make calenders so big and so durable to last for millenia.
Isnt the calender suppose to indicate where WE as souls are in the evolution of consciousness???

[OnyxKnight]

Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

Was that directed at me?

[Daft Ada]

One more thing for the record, if Elenin really is done, I am going to put Hoagland up on a pedestal that I currently have reserved for Sorcha Faal.
:
I already have ;)

[apokalypse]

i don't have expectation or believe any of those but only listen-read with open mind. one thing i really want to happen a bit of a kick like Elenin beam down or send down audio signal information about true past and everyone can access that information not even TPTB can stop it. one problem with mankind is we live and grow in belief system, i have tried to awake people up but they still fall asleep. i told people at least do research on Roswell UFO crash incident and at least demand for the truth but they seems to ignore. Damn sad that so many people debunk and not considering zeitgeist, it seems they stick with current system instead of consider utopia systems like zeitgeist. zeitgeist might not work for us but it's a start for alternative model. only one way to get out of this mess is known our true past otherwise we can't.

Kerry said something going to happen based on insiders and other sources but bill don't...interesting

[Daft Ada]

Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

Was that directed at me?hmmm maybe the quote is a clue ;) What part of "Elenin is just a cloud of snowballs" don't you understand? Have you read the link? are you going to call the man who discovered it in the first place and is now saying it has broken up, a liar. i think you are in denial, but ok hang on to it for a few more days if it makes you happy and when the snow balls have all melted by the sun you can start on the next comet that's coming :rolleyes:

[Daft Ada]

Hi Everybody ... just my 2 cents...

We all have a right to our opinion and to express our freewill ect etc ...

Yes, lets be rational... but at the same time lets not forget our spiritual side, and how we got here ... take your thoughts to where you want to go, towards the reality you want to create...after all, is it not our thought processes that got us here in the first place... our limitations have been somewhat stifled ... for obvious reasons ... they will no longer be supported by the old pardigms ... collapse is inevitable ... and with this, new ways will be introduced.

My gut feeling tells me that we are on the cusp of huge change and humanity will be going somewhere amazingly wonderful...don't be kept within the confines of what is presented to us daily...remember we are the creators...lets keep an open mind as to whats around the corner...no one person knows exactly what will be the next few years, and no one has been gifted with such knowledge...change is in the air, and we all here to for a reason ...

I think we will be invited to be part of the Galactic family very soon...we have been shrouded for thousands of years, and our time is coming... when the veil is lifted humanity will rise to extraordinary heights and awareness/consciousness will be far greater than what anyone can imagine at this moment in time ... we are limted at the moment ... but it will change.

vikingMate I really do hope you're right, but i'm sorry I aint convinced. I will keep my coat handy though ;)

[Lord Sidious]

Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

Was that directed at me?hmmm maybe the quote is a clue ;) What part of "Elenin is just a cloud of snowballs" don't you understand? Have you read the link? are you going to call the man who discovered it in the first place and is now saying it has broken up, a liar. i think you are in denial, but ok hang on to it for a few more days if it makes you happy and when the snow balls have all melted by the sun you can start on the next comet that's coming :rolleyes:

I don't know for a fact that it is indeed either a ''cloud of snowballs'' nor do I know that it is now cactus.
I take no mans word for anything unless I check it out first if it is an important enough topic.

[jcocks]

deleted - I've just repeated myself :)

[OnyxKnight]

hmmm maybe the quote is a clue ;) What part of "Elenin is just a cloud of snowballs" don't you understand? Have you read the link? are you going to call the man who discovered it in the first place and is now saying it has broken up, a liar. i think you are in denial, but ok hang on to it for a few more days if it makes you happy and when the snow balls have all melted by the sun you can start on the next comet that's coming :rolleyes:

The question actually had a purpose. I asked it because it seems you are not reading me right (nor Bill's post).

I never denied Elenin is broken up. In fact, I keep on emphasizing that fact, since Bill's post practically leveled Elenin down to dust and tombstone. Its one thing to say Elenin no longer represents the danger many feared, but its pieces (at least some of them), are still on the same trajectory.

And I said it before, I'll say it again - Numerous space agencies are tracking the Elenin pieces as you are reading this post. If you are interested, go ahead and take a look, don't quote me and tell me I'm "wrong", just because you don't like some of the facts presented.

There is so far no official status if the pieces are reducing in size. It will probably take a few more days for an update. And yes, we should pay attention to another, this time real, comet coming our way.

[araucaria]

What happens when 'synchronicity goes through the roof' (Nassim Haramein)?

[Agape]

I did a quick search and these are the closest relevant sources I found ...

Leonid Elenins' blog :

http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

Entry from 9/9 reads :

The First Radio Observations of Comet Elenin

American radio astronomers report that did not detect any water coming from any remains of comet Elenin. Amy Lovell observed it for 7 hours on Sept 7 using the Green Bank Telescope (it is not yet in the Arecibo declination window) and did not detect any OH line above the noise level of 2.4 mJy. This puts a limit of a few times 107 molecules/second on the gas production rate, which is about 100 times less than earlier predictions. This data may confirm disintegration proccess in comet’s nucleus which stareted on mid August. The next radio observations may be carry out on October by Arecibo radio observatory, of course if we will see comet Elenin on images from SOHO spacecraft.



Further check : http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/


Latest images : 10/9 /2011


http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/browse/2011/09/10/behind/hi1/1024/



Can anyone confirm the identity of the bright scattered object close to Sun ?



In my best opinion, wait for further updates . Space imagery ( not to speak about imagination ) can cause reflections , refractions and number of other anomalies .



If the little comet /asteroid , no matter what it was went so close to the Sun and got hit by solar flare, termodynamic wave and disintegrated that's all we've got now .


It would be ( astronomically ) thrilling to watch but I'm afraid there is no , I'm saying no reason to panic .



:fish2:


P.S. : It looks like a dog :pop2:

[gooty64]

Dear Bill,

I couldn't agree with you more, Ollie. And as far as clean-up crews go, I, along with so many others, am happily working upon that very thing. We will build, plant, and use our resources more, and more wisely with each passing year. Here, in the U.S. we will build trains for mass transit. We will plant trees, and clean rivers. We will create ocean farms, releasing a % of that which is created back into the wild. Our towns and cities will become sustainable. We will utilize our waste material. And we will over-come our dependence upon oil, weaning ourselves from that bottle. Life will change for the better, as we wave goodbye to forecasts based on projections of "business as usual". The scientists and engineers at companies like Monsanto, will wake up and realize they have an absolute moral responsibility to the universe itself, which surpasses any paycheck they could possibly earn. These people will turn Monsanto around.

All this, and more, so much more, will be accomplished. And it will be done because what we are talking about here is sacred.

Ollie, sounds great. How do you account for waking up the Earth civilization? Also, what is your plan for balancing accrued karma from war, child abuse etc.? imho Our civilization is SO far gone that it has to be "purified" by some unforseen/unknowable Earth shattering event. Getting at the populations consciousness seems the only way to help the planet. So far we have 5-15% at best waking up. What about the other 80-90% clueless consumers of religions and Earth limited resources?
Please help me wrap my head around how you see this consciousness awakening happening. I would be willing to get in the trenches with you but, I don't apply band-aids on terminal disease. I don't even know to begin dismantling 500 nuclear reactors.....
Thanks Gooty64

[Daft Ada]

hmmm maybe the quote is a clue ;) What part of "Elenin is just a cloud of snowballs" don't you understand? Have you read the link? are you going to call the man who discovered it in the first place and is now saying it has broken up, a liar. i think you are in denial, but ok hang on to it for a few more days if it makes you happy and when the snow balls have all melted by the sun you can start on the next comet that's coming :rolleyes:

The question actually had a purpose. I asked it because it seems you are not reading me right (nor Bill's post).

I never denied Elenin is broken up. In fact, I keep on emphasizing that fact, since Bill's post practically leveled Elenin down to dust and tombstone. Its one thing to say Elenin no longer represents the danger many feared, but its pieces (at least some of them), are still on the same trajectory.

And I said it before, I'll say it again - Numerous space agencies are tracking the Elenin pieces as you are reading this post. If you are interested, go ahead and take a look, don't quote me and tell me I'm "wrong", just because you don't like some of the facts presented.

There is so far no official status if the pieces are reducing in size. It will probably take a few more days for an update. And yes, we should pay attention to another, this time real, comet coming our way.Mate if I have got the wrong end of the stick then I appologise :humble: but quite frankly I don't think the bits will amount to anything more than a snowball fight ;)

[joedjemal]

I agree with pretty much everything Bill said with one slight quibble about his suggestion that the economic collapse is deliberate. They wouldn't smash their milking machine on purpose. It's just that a delusional system is coming face to face with hard reality.

Here's my perspective on it.

Humanity never stopped evolving and during that process a couple of variants emerged. The first one was the psychopath. Their lack of empathy permitted them to do things that no empathic person could contemplate and so they took over the societies they encountered by force. This gave them advantages during mate selection so they chose partners with beauty and intelligence and ended up increasing their charisma and capability as a predator. They then applied selection pressure on the populations they conquered by killing off resistancs pushing their captive populations to be better prey so you ended up with the emergence of the sheople.

So they took over everything within reach getting more and more powerful until we end up with the world we have today, ruled by sociopaths.

Now they didn't get it all their own way. Along with the tendency to have no empathy or conscience they also have an extremely serious flaw. They are literally incapable of imagining themselves in the wrong so their minds create a fantasy version of reality that they believe to ne reality. Therefore the systems they create reflect the nature of their minds, they are delusional. (interest creates permanent growth which is in conflict with reality and eventually when the delusional meets the real you can imagine which will prevail)

So now we're at a point where the delusional milking machine meets the reality of peak resources. It can no longer grow so it will collapse. (there are sound physical reasons for this which I won't go into right now).

Now they have a serious problem. They can't introduce free energy devices because they can't be metered so they can't continue milking and will lose their power. They can't continue expanding industrial agriculture because they're destroying too much of the biosphere. There's a lot more to this but it boils down to one thing. They are an evolutionary dead end and their prey are also evolving and new types of mind are emerging that are immune to hierarchy, one of their main control mechanisms. So, what are they to do?

They number about one percent of the population. (about right for a predator species) if their awakening prey works out en masse what's going on they'll probably be sterilised at the very least and that's the end of their species. They have to prevent their prey from recognising what's happening so they turn to one of their strengths. Manipulation. (they haven't quite speciated yet they can still interbreed with the prey but they tend to stick to their own kind mostly)

Now they control most of the information systems (msm) but the arrival of the internet has given their prey a back channel that was designed to survive even a nuclear war, they can't turn it off and in any case even if they could it would collapse their milking machine.

So they poison the well with as much disinformation as they can, mixed with just enough truth to make it believable to divide and confuse any possible opposition to their dominant position. The more confusion there is the more easily they can keep the prey focussed on anything but what can harm them.

Meanwhile, because of the net their main mind control mechanism (religion) is failing and true spiritual knowledge is getting out, allowing those who are growing spiritually to apply discernment and their deceptions are being seen through.

They have to kill off the majority of us to reset the milking machine and enable growth again in order to survive.

Interesting that all this is happening around the end of the Mayan calendar but the ability of the human mind to transcend time has been repeatedly proven by things like the global consciousness project and the web bots.

Meanwhile the aliens seem to have turned up just as all the graphs are going vertical. Very interesting timing. I have yet to see a single scrap of believable data about who they are though.

You need to understand that any information you get from the net that defies the physics we are certain of is likely to be a lie. Anything that is dependant on one person's information without hard verifiable data is likely to be a lie also.

One more thing where I disagree with Bill on is that there won't be a sudden awakening. You're forgetting the hundredth monkey effect Bill, once enough of us do the hard work it will suddenly be a whole lot easier for the others to get it. Where it's been observed before the effect was instant once the threshold was breached.

That's my perspective anyway. Never trust any source till you see hard data from multiple sources.

[Mark]

Please correct me if I am wrong here but did Bill not just make some predictive statements here regarding the future? Does he not, in effect, tell us what the truth is? [/I]

I will not be correcting you because I think you are absolutley correct.

Like so many others on this forum Bill speaks his truth as though it is absolute.



:spy: Hello, with just a bit of moderation from my absolute statement I can accept the contextuality of Bill's statement and the Admin's recasting of it ... this thread is quite interesting because it speaks to something that is now very pressing for not only this community but for the world. As the ptb and their news media are now criminalizing the Awakened (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuLZyvQi_M&feature=youtu.be) and the Sovereign (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/60-minutes-exposes-sovereign-citizen), people have a choice to make. When I originally stated that I would love to live out a normal life with a few bumps leading to a few more bumps later which seems to be the tone of Bill's original msg, I was quite serious. I have kids, another on the way, would love to seek normality. But a lifetime of gradual to extreme ramping up of earth changes, psychic phenomena, extraterrestrial and inter-dimensional incursions lead me to the conclusion that what is coming is something different from what has been.

But it is happening so gradually - within the context of this time compression - that we have the choice to accept or deny the full ramifications of what seems to be unbelievable potentialities. To be safe is nice, and safe. To risk the more extreme potentialities is to make that final descent from which there is no turning back. Once you go wingnut you can't be normal again. They won't let you. Can't re-enter the Matrix. And, of course, there is the possibility of being wrong and having to say you're sorry.

One thing that I've experienced personally is that when things seem to be getting better in your life, you wish you weren't living in the end times and you try to find justifications to change your mind. To believe that you were just being extreme and surely the world can't change this way. But then something else happens that seems to be the universe doubling down on consciousness shift in the most amazing and extreme manner. lol

Arrowwind, I'm assuming you don't believe there are any Absolutes in this human reality ... a big assumption, but just judging by your words. Whatever the case may be here, we will all most certainly see for ourselves. :)

[joedjemal]

I also wanted to make a comment about the world splitting based on something I learned to do a year and a half ago.

One day my dog decided he was going to be naughty and refused to come back to me. Suddenly I saw the world in a very surprising way. Instead of seeing things as I normally do suddenly everything became a blur of probabilities. I could see multiple trails like watching a 4d snapshot (3d +time 5d actually because there were multiple 4d trails) I could see that I could choose which of those potential realities I would end up in so I chose the one where the dog shaped sausage ended up by me and suddenly everything snapped back to normal with my dog beside me.

I think for a moment I could see a smear of different parallel worlds and could choose which one I ended up in. i've only been able to do it a few times and i'm still thinking about the ethics of it. Was I usurping my dogs free will or was I not because I moved myself between different realities

[Healthy Skeptic]

Yeah right, some people just don't know when to quit and admit they are wrong do they. :rolleyes:

Was that directed at me?

Don't worry. It's just the 'Paranoids out to get you'.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just doing a little research...found this...

US Navy Website Goes Offline, After It Shows Elenin Is Not Broken Up.Coincidence?

"Things are heating up out there! Latest/Last images of Elenin from the SECCHI depict that Elenin did not break up and also shows the comet turned sharply.

But as much we know comets don't make sharp turns.

Also, the establishment has been reporting that it had broken up. But according to the latest images from SECCHI it has not broken up.

After people started talking about these discrepancies the SECCHI website went offline.

http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=js_secchi

And its not a first time that they had CENSORED the information, Earlier also NASA Buzzroom was taken down after post reveals Comet Elenin trajectory.

Long Period Objects in elliptical Orbit:

long period Objects are a big danger for the inner Planets. There are different reasons for that.

First historical: LPO are not recognised in the younger human history, and therefore forgotten. Only written down in metaphor and symbolic languages from ancients culture, like the Atlantians Sumerian and also recorded to the old testament.

Second scientific: LPO with an elliptical Orbit of ~11800 Years, can not have a small mass, that is simple given from the law of physics. Objects with smaller mass having short elliptical Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so, like Asteroids or Comets.

Therefore: Objects with bigger mass staying in long period Orbits. The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1 ) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years, makes this Object very dangerous. So it is good to keep an eye on it.

Comet Elenin Fulfill 2012 Hopi Prophecy ?

If Elenin is the Blue Kachina AND the Red Kachina is following behind it. Then there may be big problems.
The colors come from a Hopi Prophecy, where there will be a Blue "star" that precedes a Red "star". According to the prophecy the Blue one kinda shakes things up and is a warning indicating that the main event is about to come around, referring to the Red "star".

Here's an image that claims to be the actual color of Elenin. Sure looks blue to us."

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/09/secchi-latest-images-show-elenin-is-not.html

viking

[OnyxKnight]

Wow, I just read this fully again. Oxy, try for a moment to consider how each of these responses is correct from it's point of view instead of how you saw this as a confrontation towards Anurak. What I don't understand, is how you see these posts as being confrontational. Herein lies the issue. I love you man but I'm strong on this statement. Consider it before responding.

Maybe 'confrontational' is a too hard term for this. Engaging maybe?

I do agree with some of the points made by all three of you, but looking at them overall, and together, you seem to be seeing only "calling Bill out" in Aranuk's post, which I tried to explain further with mine. And why I side with him on this issue. Nothing against you personally, you know that. Just this particular post got me responding.


My point was extremely specific why .. is there a question for me? I'd be glad to respond.

It had to do with your defense about Bill letting the Atticus scenario play out, and confronting Aranuk about it. I'm too upset about it too, since he knew what Atticus was all about, but he didn't mind stealing so much of our personal time and energy to devote on the video interview, and on the various threads that entertained his material. You could say its the people who were interested in him's fault for going that route, but if Bill didn't hype him out like he did and present him as the "real deal" like so many other shady characters, nobody would have spent even a minute on him.

Aranuk raised a lot of good points on which I totally agree with. Hence why I didn't appreciate him being confronted by a few other people solely because of that post. You say he is out of line. Well when will be the right time to get out of line and say something that needs to be said? When a few more other shady characters cross the Avalon halls? When a few more people get pissed for their time being wasted? When?



What about the following?

"About researchers and whistleblowers :
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008"

Found on : http://projectcamelotportal.com/
Under "Disclaimer" in the left hand column.

Bill, is not responsible for Atticus or anyone else.
It is up to "US" to interpret/decide the truth, or lack of, the material presented.

Actually, to a large degree, he is. And I'll explain: When you present certain people as the "real deal" in a matter-of-fact attitude, and hype them beyond necessary measure, you are effectively getting the viewers/readers/members hooked on these overhyped characters. And these people will waste their time, energy, even money (a lot of them sell books and that sorta crap), only to be let down later on.

Bill and Kerry also emphasized that they are a different portal then the rest of the media sources for various insider / whistleblower testimony. If things continue on this path, I really don't see any difference in the things offered from any other web portal dealing with the same subjects.


Look at your first sentence in your original reply. "Bill what are you going to tell us next?" The main point in Bill's thread is that Elenin is gone.

That's the thing. Its not gone, yet. "Chunks" are still traveling.


i wonder how this will resonate at the conference... think i would get weird vibes with David Wilcock teaching of the ascention, prophecy, and all.. and then..


hmm.. ill have to think about this.


man.. dismising all the mayan 2012 material... thats a bit for me to do at this point, ive ben shown so much, and it all fits, i would apreciate somthing to back this dismissal up...

You don't have to dismiss "Ascension" as a fact. Just dismiss '"Ascension" by December 2012' as a fact :)

Do you think it would be that hard to let go of the predicted year?


I did not want to confront the guy... He was in my opinion, overreacting in a negative way. Just wanted to put some perspective into play. You are indeed allowed to disagree but my intervention was made with good intentions.

Cheers,

Yes, and if he didn't make a post like that yesterday, I would have, some other day. A lot of us are pissed senseless, about certain things that happened here. A lot of us also haven't expressed the anger in its all raw glory. Yet.

There was nothing negative in his post, in fact, he raised a lot of good questions about what should we expect from Bill's future statements and dismissals.

Engaging him for questioning is in fact, a negative approach.


Oh and in regards to the break up of Elinen,

I had been wondering how long it would take for another terror story to hit the net when Elinen didn't pan out.

How long do you think? a Year? a month? a week?

We should not fear! We all know the Glactic Federation destroyed it to save humanity, right ? eh?
after all, according to some, they had been driving the dang thing :rolleyes:

The new comet heading this way will serve a purpose.


So IMO staying fearful keeps one from realizing that we are being destroyed daily and soon there will be so little food that starvation will be upon the earth

This is why I work on desalinatior devices and hydroponic systems. And I'm not alone. Don't worry about food and water :).


Just baffle me how this whole scenario is not mentioned let alone talked about???

I don't know, but now that you raised a question about it, I think its due time. Maybe start a thread with this post?


Here's another thing to think about :

What about the debris field of this comet? Aren't we still to go through it in... november I think? (I may be wrong - please correct me if I am)

Now that the comet has apparently broken up, this debris field should be larger right?

So perhaps this story won't be over until we've gone through the debris field... if anything, it may be quite a lightshow....

Yeah, I don't think people really understood why I keep going on and on about the Elenin pieces (of which 2 huge ones are still heading close to Earth).

Some even interpreted it as simply me going against something Bill said, just for the sake of it.


Damn sad that so many people debunk and not considering zeitgeist, it seems they stick with current system instead of consider utopia systems like zeitgeist. zeitgeist might not work for us but it's a start for alternative model. only one way to get out of this mess is known our true past otherwise we can't.

I ensure you that nobody has successfully debunked the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement. Most of them are people scared of change and paradigm shifts. They usually do not allow ratings, comments and video responses, which alone says a lot about them even if you haven't watched the videos.

I'd perform argumentative surgery on every single one of those videos and articles ( but there are too many, and I have too little time to waste on that).

The Zeitgeist Movement's goals and principles do intersect with a lotof the goals and principles the general Truth movement globally is about and the particular part of it here, on Avalon. So I think Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco could be a great interviewee material for the next "FutureTalk" sessions.

As far as plausibility goes, its entirely plausible even with the current technological span available in the public sector and in some homes of the alternative community. Let alone with technology available in the private sector.

It doesn't have to be 100% exactly like Jacque has envisioned the RBE-type society should be. Even he himself said that's only his proposal for the best possible solution he personally sees, and that future generations might tweak his ideas or use them as a platform to devise even more complex ideas that would be even more positive and beneficial for humanity.

I'm working on some models myself at present time.


Kerry said something going to happen based on insiders and other sources but bill don't...interesting

I find that very interesting as well.


I did a quick search and these are the closest relevant sources I found ...

Leonid Elenins' blog :

http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

Entry from 9/9 reads :

The First Radio Observations of Comet Elenin

American radio astronomers report that did not detect any water coming from any remains of comet Elenin. Amy Lovell observed it for 7 hours on Sept 7 using the Green Bank Telescope (it is not yet in the Arecibo declination window) and did not detect any OH line above the noise level of 2.4 mJy. This puts a limit of a few times 107 molecules/second on the gas production rate, which is about 100 times less than earlier predictions. This data may confirm disintegration proccess in comet’s nucleus which stareted on mid August. The next radio observations may be carry out on October by Arecibo radio observatory, of course if we will see comet Elenin on images from SOHO spacecraft.



Thanks Agape. Maybe we won't have to worry about the pices for much longer, if those reports are true. I'd stay alerted till everything is water vapor though. But that's just me.

[Daft Ada]

i saw Elvis today too :rolleyes: the lengths you people go to and the straws you clutch at to maintain your beliefs amuses me ;) Anyway as I said in the other thread, no point in talking about it, not long and we will know for certain won't we, Why don't you nip over in your space ship and have a look?

[Maia Gabrial]

nearing,
Thanks for sharing this Illuminati video. I REALLY don't like this "man" or his condescending attitude, though.

[greybeard]

I also wanted to make a comment about the world splitting based on something I learned to do a year and a half ago.

One day my dog decided he was going to be naughty and refused to come back to me. Suddenly I saw the world in a very surprising way. Instead of seeing things as I normally do suddenly everything became a blur of probabilities. I could see multiple trails like watching a 4d snapshot (3d +time 5d actually because there were multiple 4d trails) I could see that I could choose which of those potential realities I would end up in so I chose the one where the dog shaped sausage ended up by me and suddenly everything snapped back to normal with my dog beside me.

I think for a moment I could see a smear of different parallel worlds and could choose which one I ended up in. i've only been able to do it a few times and i'm still thinking about the ethics of it. Was I usurping my dogs free will or was I not because I moved myself between different realities

One enlightened teacher has said.
We are about to see the world totally differently.
Its not a physical change but a change in perception

At the moment our awareness of sound and vision is in a relatively narrow band.
A range of colors we cant at this moment see-- sounds that we cant hear already exist.
We could call them different realms.

Time will tell.

c

[OnyxKnight]

i saw Elvis today too :rolleyes: the lengths you people go to and the straws you clutch at to maintain your beliefs amuses me ;) Anyway as I said in the other thread, no point in talking about it, not long and we will know for certain won't we, Why don't you nip over in your space ship and have a look?

Its kinda hard to accept an apology if your next post smacks me (and others) with the same etiquette. It shows you didn't mean it and you probably did it as a joke.

[The One]

No matter what happens

It will be ones own perception and beliefs of things that really matter

[Daft Ada]

judge my actions by your standards all you wish mate, I will not get into a petty argument with you, there is far too much of that in this forum. I am fully entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.

[Agape]

Hello Oxy at all, if the ''First radio observation...'' report /blog entry from L. Elenin is correct , there is no sign of water vapours ( frequency of ) increase being detected ( in another words, could be no snow balls ;) ) .

I've requested update on the identity of the object in the STEREO B images as I'm genuinely curious to know whether this is observable event .


The object ( could be an asteroid ) is so small and so far away that the hype surrounding it is clearly made up by 2012 world-end fans .


:fish2:

[Malachi]

hello everyone and hello Bill,

I just wanted to say thank you for this thread. much needed and wise words I think.
this world is a beautiful and peaceful place without the fear that the PTB plant in many people's mind.

thank you again and blessings to all of you!

[OnyxKnight]

judge my actions by your standards all you wish mate, I will not get into a petty argument with you, there is far too much of that in this forum. I am fully entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.

Then don't say "I apologize".

It makes you a liar.

And lying is not gonna get people to take your opinion (which you are of course entitled with) seriously.

[joedjemal]

I also wanted to make a comment about the world splitting based on something I learned to do a year and a half ago.

One day my dog decided he was going to be naughty and refused to come back to me. Suddenly I saw the world in a very surprising way. Instead of seeing things as I normally do suddenly everything became a blur of probabilities. I could see multiple trails like watching a 4d snapshot (3d +time 5d actually because there were multiple 4d trails) I could see that I could choose which of those potential realities I would end up in so I chose the one where the dog shaped sausage ended up by me and suddenly everything snapped back to normal with my dog beside me.

I think for a moment I could see a smear of different parallel worlds and could choose which one I ended up in. i've only been able to do it a few times and i'm still thinking about the ethics of it. Was I usurping my dogs free will or was I not because I moved myself between different realities

One enlightened teacher has said.
We are about to see the world totally differently.
Its not a physical change but a change in perception

At the moment our awareness of sound and vision is in a relatively narrow band.
A range of colors we cant at this moment see-- sounds that we cant hear already exist.
We could call them different realms.

Time will tell.

c

I agree with you Greybeard. All of my spiritual work seems to end up being about perception in the end.

[Daft Ada]

judge my actions by your standards all you wish mate, I will not get into a petty argument with you, there is far too much of that in this forum. I am fully entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.

Then don't say "I apologize".

It makes you a liar.

And lying is not gonna get people to take your opinion (which you are of course entitled with) seriously.

My appology to you was sincere, it's only in your mind and in your judgement that it was not. Please don't accuse me of being a liar it is far beyond forum etiquet and shows your age and mentality

[Healthy Skeptic]

The Trojan
"This being "the get out clause",does it also apply to the statements made by Bill that initiated this post?"

I fail to see your point. All I am saying is that we all have the right to our opinion/s, whether it seems to be 'right or wrong'.
I take 'no sides' with anyone. All I ask is that people look at things with an 'open mind'
and be 'very careful' about passing 'judgement' on other people's differing views.

[christian]

Comet Elenin Fulfill 2012 Hopi Prophecy ?

If Elenin is the Blue Kachina AND the Red Kachina is following behind it. Then there may be big problems.
The colors come from a Hopi Prophecy, where there will be a Blue "star" that precedes a Red "star". According to the prophecy the Blue one kinda shakes things up and is a warning indicating that the main event is about to come around, referring to the Red "star".


I'm not so much interested in waiting for a predicted planet or whatever, anyways in one recent episode of Kerry's whistleblower radio with Sean Morton and Miriam Delicado, Miriam stated, that the Hopi pretty much agreed, that one Kachina has already been there quite some time ago. Don't remember what event that was precisely, because I don't really care. :fish2:

[dddanieljjjamesss]

wow there are a few people lashing out at this post
when the time comes to let go of your perceived 'reality'
take it as a gift...

[DarMar]

Thank you Bill for this awesome test!

Is this truth or not doesn't bother me and i see layer below layer of predicting future in your statements. And I very know my own truth and everyone else truth differs.
On posts below yours you can actually see how people think and how easy they are manipulated. I'm not saying that you manipulate them but rather that they WANT to be manipulated.
For some reason they find hard to search truth in THEMSELVES and rather reading some internet articles and linking nonsense stories and connecting nonsense pieces in one big nonsense. ( internet == modern tv )

To be clear im not generalising and here are some really sharp persons and not everyone goes into category of easy manipulation.
As i stated before i never joined any forum or belonged to some group before and i did it here.. That i did only cause i know it is time and i can now reveal myself as i got knowledge how to not get pinned down.
Tbh i love your work and dedication cause you gotta have grip for it to do it. And i love in your interviews how you can listen and analyze things. Tho in this post there is no more analyze and much statements. And yet i see analyze behind it.
As you got the idea to create place (this forum) to share ideas with other people it turned into something completely else. It turned into Pied Pipper scenario here, alot of people are dependand on your thoughts and hold them as complete truth and not direction.
Posts like: "Oh i posted alot of elenin links here and connected bits but now i see im wrong" or even better one: "everything i read here never happened and ill unsubscribe from here" are in same time hilarious and sad for me.

People want something big to happen! Rather than doing something for themselves and you pointed that in very nice way.
People want to blaim masons and world leaders even if people themselves PUT them into their position BY CHOICE.
People want to think: "oh my, one day galactic federation will save us, till than ill just google for it as much as possible" .. without even giving chance to his own senses.
They are led, leaded to dark place.
And what i can do is show way out, but will not lead any or telling whats truth or not.

There was interesting post about having TV here on avalon also. with statements like: "I see how Disney manipulates our kids through their work, but i watched series Lost and i gotta admit it lead me to awakening"
All i gotta say to this... its far from awakening and much closer to LEADING you in certain way.
What many people believe here is: start trek, star wars, independance day, x files... and similar programs for leading mind into oblivion of non thougths.
Funny part is one way thinking .. well i do not own tv, im free.. but thats also fully false statement as he types through computer, which is just more advanced tv and even more dangerous.

if you take sound speaker and reverse poles it becames microphone, same is tv / computer / cell devices .. if you take tv and reverse poles it starts to behave like camera! huh, a camera that records you, and gives you input?
fills ones mind of ideas what to google? recording what they googled and gives search results according to previous ones?
Well my friends asks me very often: "why do you have screen turned from yourself for 45 degrees and never are in front of it while working?" ... gives a piece of idea
"why you not keeping telephone numbers in adress book instead of having them in head?" .. my answer is: if i forget it, i never ever needed to have it, its that simple
"why do you have to do it alone, you can also google for it?" .. because google for it is not the way, you gotta do it by yourself or nothing will ever became of it

To cut long story short.
I see oblivion in which masses are lead.
Im here to join great minds that i've seen on this forum and be drop of water in waterfall which will wash dirt from truth.
And support your and work of others which are interested in getting their heads above dark.

So as i said for me is not of interest is your statement truth or false, the main thing that is important is that we travel. We have direction and we move towards our goal. The more uf us and more of ideas will just help us to move more precisely around.

Thank you all for being part of it, it needs a lot of strength and sharpening for completion. But that's not problem as we all have it in ourselves.

[Healthy Skeptic]

judge my actions by your standards all you wish mate, I will not get into a petty argument with you, there is far too much of that in this forum. I am fully entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.

Then don't say "I apologize".

It makes you a liar.

And lying is not gonna get people to take your opinion (which you are of course entitled with) seriously.


My appology to you was sincere, it's only in your mind and in your judgement that it was not. Please don't accuse me of being a liar it is far beyond forum etiquet and shows your age and mentality

Come on people!! There are far more important things to 'worry' about than trying to 'appease' our 'Egos'. Let's get on with trying to get along with each other and try to find solutions to 'The World' problems.

[OnyxKnight]

My appology to you was sincere, it's only in your mind and in your judgement that it was not. Please don't accuse me of being a liar it is far beyond forum etiquet and shows your age and mentality

Why is everybody so caught up on age?

Somebody gets critical with you and you bring up age (young) and mentality (immaturity, kids will be kids).

Here's why I responded at all:


Mate if I have got the wrong end of the stick then I appologise but quite frankly I don't think the bits will amount to anything more than a snowball fight


i saw Elvis today too :rolleyes: the lengths you people go to and the straws you clutch at to maintain your beliefs amuses me ;) Anyway as I said in the other thread, no point in talking about it, not long and we will know for certain won't we, Why don't you nip over in your space ship and have a look?

If you had to go that route, I had to go mine. Just compare the two posts.

[Daft Ada]

Hmmm you make a lot of statements with regard to what you think of TV, Google, peoples opinions and direction for someone who is criticising making statements of truth and false, you speak as one who wants to come accross as some kind of spiritual leader who knows and see's all and like all the others all we see is quotes of find out for yourselves seek the truth, we all have it in us. meaningless drivell, how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?

[White Rabbit]

Thanks Bill... We all know that tomorrow is not promised to us and to stay stuck focusing only on the waiting of some one, some thing, some entity, some disaster to come and 'save the good people' from the mess WE created, or at least HELPED create... (no one is totally immune here) is a very negative and can also be a self distructive stagnating thing.

If all one does is seek out the information on 'what may be coming, may already be here, what is who saying that fits with what I want to hear or the timelime I want/fear/... the most... ' how can one focus on what CAN be done by one to make positive changes?

We each have to start within ourselves... turn some of our energy inward so that we can radiate outward... we have to be strong as individuals to be strong as a community.

Take time to smell the roses and not focus only on the thorns... (I am not saying to ignore the thorns, just not focus so much on them that you miss the rose itself)

Much Love...



"In summary: we're not going to be magically and suddenly raptured or ascended out of the mess we've all made of Planet Earth. We have to face what we have done. It'll take a while. And we're the clean-up crew.

We may be able to relax a little after another couple of generations. There's no vacation, or celebration, just yet. But we are most definitely headed in the right direction - for sure.

Work on your own personal and spiritual development (there's a huge array of tools and techniques available to do so, and many of them work really well); be kind; be smart; and take responsibility for absolutely everything you can.

No-one else can do that apart from yourself. When or if that happens... is entirely up to you."

[Newlyn]

Thank you, that summed up it all pretty well.

And what comes to work on your spirituallity, it is not something like flying of in to la la land, or other dimensions. It is to be rooted in the here and now, seeing what change we can bring about - in our selves and in the collective! Spirituallity is practical.

The more we grow in our path and our lifetasks, we can see that different energies fight about our attencion. That is because we own power enough to change history, for real. Keep your integrity, your feet on the ground, and your eyes to the horizon. We are the warriors. And we choose our own battles.

Blessings, friends!

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My appology to you was sincere, it's only in your mind and in your judgement that it was not. Please don't accuse me of being a liar it is far beyond forum etiquet and shows your age and mentality

Why is everybody so caught up on age?

Somebody gets critical with you and you bring up age (young) and mentality (immaturity, kids will be kids).



Because sometimes people do not have better arguments, and nothing else to show than their age.

I have encountered this a lot. People, remember, the soul has it's own age, and we are all in the age-group we are supposed to be.

[joedjemal]

Hmmm you make a lot of statements with regard to what you think of TV, Google, peoples opinions and direction for someone who is criticising making statements of truth and false, you speak as one who wants to come accross as some kind of spiritual leader who knows and see's all and like all the others all we see is quotes of find out for yourselves seek the truth, we all have it in us. meaningless drivell, how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?

Daft Ada if I were just starting again and could choose any advice from my current self it would be "Learn to control your thoughts" start refusing to have thoughts you don't want. If you're in a flow of chatter you don't like think of something else. Eventually you'll learn to shut the chatter down completely and then things start getting interesting.

[Daft Ada]

Hmmm you make a lot of statements with regard to what you think of TV, Google, peoples opinions and direction for someone who is criticising making statements of truth and false, you speak as one who wants to come accross as some kind of spiritual leader who knows and see's all and like all the others all we see is quotes of find out for yourselves seek the truth, we all have it in us. meaningless drivell, how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?

Daft Ada if I were just starting again and could choose any advice from my current self it would be "Learn to control your thoughts" start refusing to have thoughts you don't want. If you're in a flow of chatter you don't like think of something else. Eventually you'll learn to shut the chatter down completely and then things start getting interesting.
Mate I have been doing this for over a year on this forum, i don't post a great deal, but there are times when I need to say what I think and when I do it's always the do gooders who constantly preach that everyone is entitled to their opinions and that everyones view is valid, that jump down my throat and tell me i'm wrong or shouldn't speak my feelings. seems to me that everyones view and opinions are valid as long as it's theirs.

[joedjemal]

Hmmm you make a lot of statements with regard to what you think of TV, Google, peoples opinions and direction for someone who is criticising making statements of truth and false, you speak as one who wants to come accross as some kind of spiritual leader who knows and see's all and like all the others all we see is quotes of find out for yourselves seek the truth, we all have it in us. meaningless drivell, how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?

Daft Ada if I were just starting again and could choose any advice from my current self it would be "Learn to control your thoughts" start refusing to have thoughts you don't want. If you're in a flow of chatter you don't like think of something else. Eventually you'll learn to shut the chatter down completely and then things start getting interesting.
Mate I have been doing this for over a year on this forum, i don't post a great deal, but there are times when I need to say what I think and when I do it's always the do gooders who constantly preach that everyone is entitled to their opinions and that everyones view is valid, that jump down my throat and tell me i'm wrong or shouldn't speak my feelings. seems to me that everyones view and opinions are valid as long as it's theirs.

Then if you have the silence the rest follows. Your lessons will turn up.

[Daft Ada]

Deleted as text was a response to a missunderstanding

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey Dafty

Take a chill pill...give it an hour or so and pop back...

viking

[ThePythonicCow]

Second scientific: LPO with an elliptical Orbit of ~11800 Years, can not have a small mass, that is simple given from the law of physics.
I am unaware of a law of physics that requires large mass to have a long period orbit.

[joedjemal]

But you asked. "how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?"

So I answered you.

[Eyes2theSkies]

Dear Bill,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We look to you as an authority due to the various contacts you have with insiders and people in the know so, it is always interesting to hear your own point of view. After all, the one thing I think that many people here may have forgotten is that much of what you are told when you interview people, is off the record. It would be great if you could share some of this information with us, in the future. Look at it this way, you can disclose whatever information you want, preferabley in a video format with some visual aids, and simply state that this information comes from an anonymous inside source or whatever. I have always been intrigued by you and Kerry talking about things that were said off the record at dinner last night and then moving the conversation along.

When it comes to your post, I understand that you feel the need to keep this forum upbeat and positive - I respect and admire that. However, all I can say is that my gut, my instincts are screaming at me that something is coming in the next couple of months. I feel that it will be of great importance but, can not tell if it is a personal thing or something that will effect the larger community or the planet. All I am saying is that, during the coming months and years, we must live our lives to their fullest, be loving, caring and kind but, most importantly be prepared for anything. No, I'm not advocatng keeping lots of canned goods, water etc. etc. because who knows what it is that may happen? What I would advocate to all of my fellow Avalonians, is to be mentally prepared for any thing. Besides this does nothing but enhance ones life - if you wake up wondering if the sun will rise, if the aliens will land, if a comet will hit, if weather will go nuts or whatever, at least it keeps your spirit of curiosity alive and well. If you let it, this will allow you to see each day as fresh and new, as good as we can make it because we all control how we feel about any event. Life feels so much better and more fullfillling when we try to keep the sense of awe and wonder that a child has as it sees new things or has new experiences.

I don't buy into all the hype about end of days, disclosure, catastrophies any of this stuff because it is all about fear or anger. The guys in black ops may get caught with their pants down, one day, and have to admit to the reality of aliens and their craft but, not unless someone demands an explanation. Only a few months ago there was mention on the NBC evening news of the crew of the Space Station having to go to the escape pod because there was something headed their way. After some time, this object, which was described as junk or debris, manuevered to avoid colision! Yet, no one asked any questions!!! Brian Williams simply read the NASA statement, chuckled, and moved on with the news! There has been nothing of note on the internet about it, nothing in this forum that I have found and of course no one in the media is asking any questions!! Hello?? Disclosure Project.....wake up....you were supposed to jump on an opportunity like this and demand answers!! Maybe this tells us something about the Disclosure Projects real agenda - distraction!! It is time for people to wake up and demand more answers from NASA, the military, the DOE and the DOD. If we don't there will not be a disclosure!

Has anyone seen "The Smoking Gun" videos? Martin Stubbs has it all on video and if anyone is naive enough to believe that these objects are ice crystals or any of the other NASA BS, then they will never see the turth or the disclosure happen!!

BTW this may seem really out there but, has Project Camelot or Avalon looked into the whole idea of the inner Earth civilization? After doing a lot of thinking about Richard Dolan's book "After Disclosure", I began thinking of a whole nother breakaway civilization. What if someone had figured out antigravity and free energy several hundred, or thousands of years ago, decided not to share with the world and used this technology to inhabit a large underground area? That would be the original breakaway civilization and you would expect to find some records of such people. Just as we actually do find. I don't believe they are Aryans or nazis, just people who decided to live a better life, separate from everyone else. Surely there is some truth to all of this, or is there only alien bases that are a mile or less underground? Bill, do you have any information that you could share with the forum, regarding all of this?

Thanks for the post, Bill. It's always nice to see new things from you. Welcome back, I hope your trip was most productive and enlightening.

[Daft Ada]

Viking, I am a 59 year old Airline Pilot with a degree in electronics. I have some intelligence and some knowledge I have been following the ufo and alien scene for over forty years and on the internet since the internet was invented. As I said above I used to sit and watch what other people thought, and what other people said, and what other peoples opinions were and never said a word, You can see when I joined this forum.
In the early part of this year I had major surgery for bowel Cancer and I nearly died. I sit here now with half my insides missing and I rialised that had I died no one would ever have heard my views and what I really feel about anything, yet I am just as entitled to my views as anyone else. You wouldn't think so from the reaction of people. they fly up in defence of their friends without realy thinking about what they are doing or saying and how they are ignoring my rights as a human being. Why must I shut up and go away for an hour just because you and others don't like me dissagreeing with you? As I said to you in the other thread, we will see who is right and who is wrong in the not too distant future, but one thing I can assure you is that a real brush with death makes one want to be heard and makes one want to be taken notice of and be respected with regard to having the right to speak and be heard otherwise being alive is meaningless.

[Arrowwind]

[Arrowwind, I'm assuming you don't believe there are any Absolutes in this human reality ... a big assumption, but just judging by your words. Whatever the case may be here, we will all most certainly see for ourselves. :)

Oh, I do believe in absolutes. Absolutes abound all around. But even the absolutes are potentially changable in their impact upon the world.
It is absolute that countless thousands died in Iraq. It is absolute that children go hungry in the USA.
It is absolute that draught in Texas is causing great suffering and may profoundly affect food resources/prices over the next year.

And it is absolute that how we view all events and how we respond to them will further create our reality either into the negative or the positive, for ourselves, our local world and the world at large.

One must take responsibilty for all that they lay their hand and intention upon.

You can either spend your time feeding the monster or creating a world anew and a few people around here don't understand the impact of their actions.

It was well spoken in another thread that so much energy can be wasted by focusing on the unreal, on the negative. And there are some who permit and feed this type of energy. It is a great distraction and for people who are bound up in fear and really have no plan for promoting their own salvation it sucks... for it binds them deeper and keeps us all from manefesting the changes that the world needs to become sustainable.

[OnyxKnight]

But you asked. "how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?"

So I answered you.

He seems to be confused a lot.

He makes one post, then another contraindicating the one before.

[Daft Ada]

But you asked. "how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?"

So I answered you. oh bum! Sorry Joedjemal, was that you :o yes I did, forgive me, so many are having a go at me I am automatically on the defensive. Ok let me see, yes you are right I can see how that would be very helpful, but I meant more along the lines of taking someone like me who knows absolutely nothing about anything spiritual and telling me where to make a start, not seek and thou will find bollocks or anything like that, but some factual intelligent instruction as to how to start on the path please?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just doing a little research...found this...

US Navy Website Goes Offline, After It Shows Elenin Is Not Broken Up.Coincidence?

"Things are heating up out there! Latest/Last images of Elenin from the SECCHI depict that Elenin did not break up and also shows the comet turned sharply.

But as much we know comets don't make sharp turns.

Also, the establishment has been reporting that it had broken up. But according to the latest images from SECCHI it has not broken up.

After people started talking about these discrepancies the SECCHI website went offline.

http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=js_secchi

And its not a first time that they had CENSORED the information, Earlier also NASA Buzzroom was taken down after post reveals Comet Elenin trajectory.

Long Period Objects in elliptical Orbit:

long period Objects are a big danger for the inner Planets. There are different reasons for that.

First historical: LPO are not recognised in the younger human history, and therefore forgotten. Only written down in metaphor and symbolic languages from ancients culture, like the Atlantians Sumerian and also recorded to the old testament.

Second scientific: LPO with an elliptical Orbit of ~11800 Years, can not have a small mass, that is simple given from the law of physics. Objects with smaller mass having short elliptical Orbit, from 2 up to 1000 years or so, like Asteroids or Comets.

Therefore: Objects with bigger mass staying in long period Orbits. The fact that Elenin comet (C2010 X1 ) enters our solar system close to the ecliptic with a Period of ~11’800 Years, makes this Object very dangerous. So it is good to keep an eye on it.

Comet Elenin Fulfill 2012 Hopi Prophecy ?

If Elenin is the Blue Kachina AND the Red Kachina is following behind it. Then there may be big problems.
The colors come from a Hopi Prophecy, where there will be a Blue "star" that precedes a Red "star". According to the prophecy the Blue one kinda shakes things up and is a warning indicating that the main event is about to come around, referring to the Red "star".

Here's an image that claims to be the actual color of Elenin. Sure looks blue to us."

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/09/secchi-latest-images-show-elenin-is-not.html

viking

I hate to bleet on about this, but do we have an authorative voice to confirm that Elenin is in fact broken up??? read the above...

Gotta go, things to do>>>>

viking

[joedjemal]

But you asked. "how about actually telling people who are just starting out exactly how to go about it instead of talking in mystic riddles?"

So I answered you. oh bum! Sorry Joedjemal, was that you :o yes I did, forgive me, so many are having a go at me I am automatically on the defensive. Ok let me see, yes you are right I can see how that would be very helpful, but I meant more along the lines of taking someone like me who knows absolutely nothing about anything spiritual and telling me where to make a start, not seek and though will find bollocks or anything like that, but some factual intelligent instruction as to how to start on the path please?

That's it. It's all internal but you have to make room for it. The most critical thing you can do is learn internal discipline. Once you have that things start happening. It teaches you. The silence is necessary so you can hear. If you'd like pm me and i'll teach you some qi gong exercises if you like.

[apokalypse]

Mr Hoagland said Elenin still alive and well on its way...

is it only me hate that word Save US?

[christian]

Then don't say "I apologize".

It makes you a liar.

And lying is not gonna get people to take your opinion (which you are of course entitled with) seriously.


My appology to you was sincere, it's only in your mind and in your judgement that it was not. Please don't accuse me of being a liar it is far beyond forum etiquet and shows your age and mentality

Don't spam the thread.

Be decent, just go outside (use PMs) and have a fistfight (sort things out between the two of you).

:boxing:

[OnyxKnight]

Don't spam the thread.

Be decent, just go outside (use PMs) and have a fistfight (sort things out between the two of you).

:boxing:

I'm afraid the fistfight spilled over with other members too (me excluded).

Thanks for the advice though. Taken.

[ThePythonicCow]

judge my actions by your standards all you wish mate, I will not get into a petty argument with you, there is far too much of that in this forum. I am fully entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.

I think you had a good idea, back on the above post.

But then another poster went and continued the scuffle by calling you a liar, and we were off to the races.

Both of you - please keep further annoyed or off topic reactions to each other off this thread. Thanks.

:focus:

(I composed the above post prior to seeing what are now the two posts just above. Cool.)

[king anthony]

It can be taken as fact now that Comet Elenin is no more... No-one else can do that apart from yourself. When or if that happens... is entirely up to you.

My words that follow are not supporting or not un-supporting of the Original Post, my words are what they are in brief.

I have been asked by people in open chat and PMs what do I think of or know about various events, which may or may not be coming (such as with the one in title). My reply has been and is now, why worry (meaning discuss/debate) what has not or may not occur - for benefit of worry of such things that are truly out of one's control is not beneficial. If I am correct, the Original Post is saying the same - however, in an assertive way; this assertion is what has caused resistance (based on reply posts), thus opportunity for offensive positions to be taken.

I say, whatever will be shall be and each must "prepare" themselves while not forgetting the compassion and care for others. Free choice is within the boundaries of fate; meaning (for example), to worry about if a comet was to hit the earth would not change anything - it is what people do until it happens, when it happens and afterwards that each has control over.



One may have a choice whether tea or coffee - one may not have choice if cream and honey are not available - another may interfere, offering what is wanted/needed - if another has soured cream and spoiled honey then what is given is "limited" - yet another, may make offer to both, one or simply do nothing. Fate itself is not absolute; fate being, that which is beyond one's control, which does not imply it cannot be changed - choice, is that within control.

The root problem has been, through social conditioning of this civilization, each and the collective have lost the understanding that life is about survival. Such things as (reading) comprehension, common sense, potential versus ability and critical thinking have been surrendered to "the few" (the self-proclaimed elite) and (some) of "those others" (ETs). Add to the mix created artificial scarcities, greed and such - all controlled by corporations (and their policies), which studies have shown to be sociopathic in nature, it is no wonder why many are the way they are.

This has (in general) many within the masses (the population) in a perpetual state of "fight or flight" as the human being is dealing with invisible foes, unnatural environments and the imaginary boogieman. Many who make claim to be "awake" are truly the ones most asleep as they complicate the uncomplicated and seek deliverance from an event (example, ascension) or another (human being or "that other").

It appears each is looking for one to lead or have answers and when one (appears) to "fail" with thought or direction, all make their own limits the fault of the one who stood up and spoke. These very same, who point their fingers, pride themselves, with the aid of that which is for feel good, to be of high intellect. Nothing more can be further from the truth; for true, or absolute, knowledge will have understating of this - ego is blinding.

There is not more then one reality, truth and such; if ten people see lightening strike a tree, each may have seen it from a different angle and by sharing different perspectives, each contribute to the overall experience - the event itself remains the same and never changes. Furthermore, this also applies to when an event does not occur. In combat, one does not worry about what may be, one may take note of specifics and not waste time discussing it lest they be KIA.; being prepared and not paranoid (or fearful) is the key to success.

Most know that "the few" control, know of false flag operations - know of lies, those seeking profit off another, death, "those others", UFOs, comets, deceptions and so forth - is it not what one does with the knowledge and understanding that either empowers or not!? I ask rhetorically, how did all the invested time discussing the topic in title (or other topics) make "you" a better human being!?

There is a deeper message within the Original Post - and according to some/many of the reply posts, it appears the deeper message has not been "read" and if one cannot "read" it then it cannot be understood even if told. I conclude with this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gz5deSQes

[Mark]

It was well spoken in another thread that so much energy can be wasted by focusing on the unreal, on the negative. And there are some who permit and feed this type of energy. It is a great distraction and for people who are bound up in fear and really have no plan for promoting their own salvation it sucks... for it binds them deeper and keeps us all from manefesting the changes that the world needs to become sustainable.

Well, I'm a firm believer in that old Hermetic adage, As Above, So Below. What occurs in the larger society must of necessity be mirrored in smaller collections of individuals. Negativity has been so pervasive in our reality that to embrace it through cynicism is a valid coping mechanism for many. Considering the fantastic nature of so much of what we discuss here in Avalon, I'm quite surprised that it isn't a lot more vociferous, actually.

:fencing::spider::whip::argue:

You said something real when you mentioned folks having no plan for themselves, I think you've hit upon something there. How can someone cultivate peace, or believe in something higher when they do not believe in themselves? How can they feel compassion for others if they have no compassion for themselves? I think it was Joe that was talking about psychopaths earlier but there are tne ensouled as well who have had so much trauma, so much pain that their hearts have hardened, their experiences have given them some characteristics that are sociopathic in nature. Variations...points along a scale that tend between the positive and negative are a necessary expression of Free Will ... and somehow, we must be able to transcend even given this propensity toward chaotic expression.

[Daft Ada]

Both of you - please keep further annoyed or off topic reactions to each other off this thread. Thanks.
I agree with what you say, but I have to say that if someone had called another member a liar for no reason other than judgement of that person on my forum, I would have intervened on behalf of the person being called a liar. Am I not even allowed to defend myself against such an attack?

[OnyxKnight]

[off-topic material deleted. :focus: :cow:]

If anything, I hope you find comfort that you are not alone in going through the hardships of life. We all have, do, and most likely will in the future too.

With this I put up a white flag up, and don't wish to exchange posts about this matter any longer. Let's focus on the thread topic, and argue with more respect and decency.

[Healthy Skeptic]

Both of you - please keep further annoyed or off topic reactions to each other off this thread. Thanks.

I tried to 'diffuse' things earlier: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=305534&viewfull=1#post305534

I don't know if it helped.

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks Bill. I have one question: Can you ascertain if we are going into this Galactic Alignment that happens every 25,920 some odd years. LMK ~W.f.~

[Lord Sidious]

Come on guys, lets agree to disagree and just let things rest.
No one benefits from this and we have had more than enough bans.
You can even mark it down to doing me a personal favour.

[ThePythonicCow]

Am I not even allowed to defend myself against such an attack?
I did not delete or take specific issue with your self-defense.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



I tried to 'diffuse' things earlier: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=305534&viewfull=1#post305534

I don't know if it helped.

Thanks for giving it a good try. :)

[Daft Ada]

Fair enough Paul, my last on the issue to you and Sid, is that I apologised to onyxnight on page six and despite that I subsequently got called a liar by him. I answered that and ended communication on page six i made no further comments at all to the poster, in fact I read none of his posts because I blocked him and could no longer see his posts. I don't like being called a liar by anyone. Everyone keeps saying let it go, stop spamming the forum. I have posted nothing since page six to him and I have responded to nothing since page six, so who is spammimg the forum??

[ThePythonicCow]

I did not delete or take specific issue with your self-defense.
The recommended course of action in such cases is to Report (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png) the post to the mods.

Continuing (even with "one last defense") the ruckus on thread usually does more harm than good, regardless of who's "right" and who's "wrong".


... so who is spammimg the forum??
Well - guess I am - since I've had quite a few more posts in the last couple pages than yourself :).

Take care.

[777]

Thread devolution alert!

Back on topic.......

I don't take anything I read as said any more. Experiential is the only way for me, but that's not eveyones' way either.

Hermetic principle: The universe is mental.

Isn't it/we just?

[Mutchie]

You know im away to the point where I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.....Is comet elenin gone "maybe" was it even a comet "who knows" did it generate fear "YES IN BUNDLES" ...I respect Bill but SOMETHING was causing massive earthquakes each time that little comet was in allignment with us and the sun and bill or NO ONE ELSE seems to be interested in finding out what that was .....So now we just accept that massive quakes are NORMAL and that all the volcanoes and all the animal deaths are normal aswell ....SORRY I HAVE A BURNING AMBITION TO FIND OUT WHATS CAUSING THIS ?

Our earth moving 4 inches off of its axis is that normal ..... I THINK NOT .... sept 26th is the closest this object will come to us at that point its between us and the sun WE WILL SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS .... untill then i THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THIS SUBJECT FOR ME !!!!!!

[Daft Ada]

As i said earlier, it's amazing how people are just refusing to accept that the comet has broken up and is no longer a comet, i have started a few threads in other places and the reaction is the same as here, no one wants to believe it, so therefore it isn't true.
I might point out that I would have loved for it to have been an ancient space craft full of wonders for the earth, i would have even just settled for it being a visiting Alien so as to get that out in the open, although it would have been hard to say hello with it only coming within 22 million miles. but no, it is no more, it is a deceased comet
Funny how a lot of peoples argument has changed from it being a spacecraft to well it can still do a lot as multiple particles? So I guess we have accepted it aint a spaceship now then?

[Daft Ada]

You know im away to the point where I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.....Is comet elenin gone "maybe" was it even a comet "who knows" did it generate fear "YES IN BUNDLES" ...I respect Bill but SOMETHING was causing massive earthquakes each time that little comet was in allignment with us and the sun and bill or NO ONE ELSE seems to be interested in finding out what that was .....So now we just accept that massive quakes are NORMAL and that all the volcanoes and all the animal deaths are normal aswell ....SORRY I HAVE A BURNING AMBITION TO FIND OUT WHATS CAUSING THIS ?

Our earth moving 4 inches off of its axis is that normal ..... I THINK NOT .... sept 26th is the closest this object will come to us at that point its between us and the sun WE WILL SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS .... untill then i THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THIS SUBJECT FOR ME !!!!!!
A few relevant points there mate, could it be the boys with the HARP kit causing some of this stuff though? and wasn't some of the earthquakes supposed to be the boys making the underground bunkers using explosives?

[Lifebringer]

it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

[greybeard]

The game isent over till the fat lady sings.

When the debris that was comet Elenin has done its final fly past the game is over, not till then,

Like others I am curious to know what is continuing to cause the great increase in earth quakes and all other events.
No fear involved, just a desire to know.

C

[Snowbird]

viking # 107 - Just doing a little research...found this...

US Navy Website Goes Offline, After It Shows Elenin Is Not Broken Up.Coincidence?

OMG viking! Do you realize what you have just done...LOL!! :fencing:

[Malachi]

it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

I might be wrong here, but i think google sky is not up to date, not refreshed daily with new photos. the picures they use were made by the HST (Hubble Space Telescope) in the past.

but again, I don't know this for sure. feel free to correct me - but with links please.

other thing is, somewhere deep inside I hoped that this Elenin thing is a cluster of ships or something like that...and if you think of it, maybe not the comet broke apart, just the ships spread. hm? ;)

[Cognitive Dissident]

I agree with Bill's big picture analysis. No point in hanging around waiting for anything. The problem with the financial crisis, for example, is that it becomes self-sustaining very quickly. And money can move very fast... we are very much in an "emperor's new clothes" situation - as soon as it is widely realised that the current system is totally unsustainable (and you would be surprised how few people really believe this, or act as if they do), then it will collapse, because it requires people to believe that the debt being incurred now, can be paid off in the future. That's just one of the feedback loops that are essential to understand. I haven't really thought this through yet, just throwing some ideas out there.

[OnyxKnight]

I agree with Bill's big picture analysis. No point in hanging around waiting for anything.

Did you skip Bill's 10$ bet for alien landings in 2013?

[Snowbird]

Bill Ryan # 1 - In summary: we're not going to be magically and suddenly raptured or ascended out of the mess we've all made of Planet Earth. We have to face what we have done. It'll take a while. And we're the clean-up crew.

We may be able to relax a little after another couple of generations. There's no vacation, or celebration, just yet. But we are most definitely headed in the right direction - for sure.



I have read over this opening post several times in several different time periods before responding because I wanted to make sure that I understood what was being said and implied in Bill's opening post. In my opinion, what Bill is stating is the truth for Bill. It may also be the truth for several other posters who have responded by giving thanks to his post and by supporting what he has stated.

Again in my own opinion, I believe that Bill Ryan is a very special envoy or messenger or ambassador to this Earth at this time, here to perform specific very positive functions for this Earth and the people of this Earth. I believe that he has a huge and open heart that is loving and supportive of and toward the people of this Earth and the Earth herself.

It appears to me that he believes that we are responsible for the damage done to Earth because of our negative and fearful thought patterns in a 3D environment. This Earth has been quarantined until recently, because we have been deceived and lied to and been used to further the goals of others on and off this planet. I am wondering however, what would have transpired on the Earth for the past 5,700 years (+), if the people of this Earth had not been manipulated, controlled, forced into slavery, kept in a constant state of fear, had not had their DNA toyed with as is believed by some, had not been medically toyed with by off-planet beings, had not been constantly lied to, had not been surrounded by poisonous chemicals in their daily lives and through inferior medical care, etc., etc., etc.

It is estimated that in October time frame of this year, this planet will reach 7 billion people. Ten to twenty million of these are said to be special envoys to this planet Earth from other areas of the Universe who are here for very specific reasons. One of the main and fundamental reasons for their presence here, is to raise the vibrational frequency of planet Earth and its inhabitants. Why and for what reason? Is this reason so that those who choose to follow the path of conciousness can remain on an Earth that is overwhelmingly inhabited by those who have chosen a path of allowing others to make decisions for them? An Earth that is currently being forced to descend instead of ascend? I have linked below sites that contain some of what has been happening over time. The link A Staggering List of Planet Earth's Disasters and Catastrophes Since January appears at first to negate the conscious-raising work that has been accomplished by those special envoys or messengers to Earth, until you come to understand that many if not most of these horrendous situations, stem from technology. And, so as not to appear to be highjacking this thread, Elenin has definitely been used to further hold us captive. Did we, as a human species, subconsciously call forth these wars and disasters in order to bring about massive change and uplift? This is possible, but I refuse to point fingers at the people of this Earth and levy the heavy burden of them having consciously sinned all these thousands of years when those who are actually pushing the technology buttons, skip and go free.

I have a tendency to agree with what Inelia has written in her post linked below. I also agree with Lucia Rene's assessment of what is now happening. There has been a split. I can actually feel it within. I now walk it on this Earth and it is very different from what was before. It is much lighter and brighter and powerful. It IS powerful! Yes, this split has taken eons of time and will continue as time progresses, but the changes IMO, are happening far more rapidly now than they have in the past. Those who choose, are moving quickly toward a lighter and brighter and far more conscious Earth.

Spaceship Earth - and YOU are the captain.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29557-Spaceship-Earth-and-YOU-are-the-captain.


9/11 is and should be in a class by itself.


A Staggering List of Planet Earth's Disasters and Catastrophes Since January

A list of all catastrophes and disasters on planet Earth from January 1st, 2011 to March 28th, 2011.

64 Tsunamis
6 Hail storms
18 Tornadoes
2 Terror Attacks
147 Biological Hazards
30 Snow Storms
40 HAZMAT Situations
128 Epidemic Hazards
14 Power Outages
21 Technological Disasters
29 Explosions
16 Cold Waves
14 Heat Waves
5 Droughts
57 Flash Floods
14 Land Slides
16 Earthquakes
23 Fires
13 Avalanches
16 Volcano Eruptions
14 Environmental Pollutions
24 Floods
9 Forest Fires
4 Storm Surges
36 Extreme Weather
7 Events into Space(large meteors entering the atmosphere)
16 Nuclear Events
17 Epidemics
5 Tropical Storms
10 Volcano Activities
4 Complex Emergencies

http://www.myfalseworld.com/2011/03/staggering-list-of-planet-earths.html

7 worst natural disasters of the 21st century

http://blog.insure.com/2011/03/16/7-worst-natural-disasters-of-the-21st-century/

Munich Re's list of the largest disasters of 2009

http://daveslandslideblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/munich-res-list-of-largest-disasters-of.html

Top 10 Most Terrifying Natural Disasters in History

http://listverse.com/2010/03/15/top-10-most-terrifying-natural-disasters-in-history

[Daft Ada]

it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

I might be wrong here, but i think google sky is not up to date, not refreshed daily with new photos. the picures they use are made by the HST (Hubble Space Telescope) in the past.

but again, I don't know this for sure. feel free to correct me - but with links please.

other thing is, somewhere deep inside I hoped that this Elenin thing is a cluster of ships or something like that...and if you think of it, maybe not the comet broke apart, just the ships spread. hm? ;)

Hi Malachi mate, That was the first thing I thought when I saw the statement that the comet had broken up last week, I hoped it was a mothership that was built from lots of smaller ships and they had all flown off in different directions and some would come here, but I am no longer convinced it could be that, there comes a time when you just have to accept the truth, I can't prove it's the truth, but I just have a feeling deep inside, a sort of knowing, I hope I and all the people saying it's broken up and is nothing but a comet are wrong, but I guarantee one thing, I shall be asking a few people on here what they think now if they have the courage to show their faces after it fizzles out. :p

[phillipbbg]

If you want to read up on the subject from a CREDIBLE source

http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=Elenin

Also he is current....if anything occurs he confirms on twitter .... http://twitter.com/#!/SungrazerComets

[Healthy Skeptic]

:humble:
As i said earlier, it's amazing how people are just refusing to accept that the comet has broken up and is no longer a comet, i have started a few threads in other places and the reaction is the same as here, no one wants to believe it, so therefore it isn't true.
I might point out that I would have loved for it to have been an ancient space craft full of wonders for the earth, i would have even just settled for it being a visiting Alien so as to get that out in the open, although it would have been hard to say hello with it only coming within 22 million miles. but no, it is no more, it is a deceased comet
Funny how a lot of peoples argument has changed from it being a spacecraft to well it can still do a lot as multiple particles? So I guess we have accepted it aint a spaceship now then?

Don't you realise that "Compost Happens In Life"?
Unfortunately, or fortunately, I agree that F/A will happen in the near future.
I'm looking forward to the '2012' New Year, there are going to be a lot of 'Red Faced' people around that predicted 'doom and gloom' for our 3D world. They will make excuses like "The ET's protected us" to explain away why 'Catastrophic Earth Events' never occured. What a load of 'Cow Pats!!'. Why am I not afraid to make these 'predictions'? Well, if I am wrong then WTF difference does it make?
I will be 'Red Faced' from Cataclysmic Volcano Eruptions that will 'Fry my face!'.
I won't even get a chance to apologise on this Forum because it will not exist!
So, everyone, just go on enjoying your life and 'stuff' what people say will happen!!
With Love to everyone,
Healthy Skeptic

[Daft Ada]

Good ole ozzies, say it as it is :peace:

[<8>]

Please forgive my lack of experience on this site, Bill has been gone from the day i join untill a few weeks ago.
Are a one way conversation normal here, Do not Bill answer people here??

I am not angry or upset in anyway, i am just curious. Mabye Bill perfer a private message?

Good to know, if you pour your heart in a message, and are hoping for answer thats all...:)

P.s If i have i misst anything, i am sorry

Thanks for letting the nuub ask...:)

[ulli]

it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

The Google.com/sky image is from either 2008 or 2009,
as has been established before.

Just like Google Earth is outdated.

It' is not a live transmission.

[Healthy Skeptic]

Good ole ozzies, say it as it is :peace:

And whether you belieive it or not, us 'convicts give a damn' about how other people in the world are living.
Provided you "English" don't beat us in cricket.

[Herbert]

I always like coming here when Bill is home because he really knows how to get a discussion going.

[Daft Ada]

Please forgive my lack of experience on this site, Bill has been gone from the day i join untill a few weeks ago.
Are a one way conversation normal here, Do not Bill answer people here??

I am not angry or upset in anyway, i am just curious. Mabye Bill perfer a private message?

Good to know, if you pour your heart in a message, and are hoping for answer thats all...:)

P.s If i have i misst anything, i am sorry

Thanks for letting the nuub ask...:)
Stop appologising M8 ;) you have just as much right to be here and ask questions and give your views as anyone else, no matter how long they have been here. yes Bill has been away a while, I know not why and it's none of my business, but when he is here, if he see's your post I am certain he will answer you being the gentleman that he is. I don't think it would be good etiquet to PM him directly, but he may correct me on that.

[Healthy Skeptic]

Please forgive my lack of experience on this site, Bill has been gone from the day i join untill a few weeks ago.
Are a one way conversation normal here, Do not Bill answer people here??

I am not angry or upset in anyway, i am just curious. Mabye Bill perfer a private message?

Good to know, if you pour your heart in a message, and are hoping for answer thats all...:)

P.s If i have i misst anything, i am sorry

Thanks for letting the nuub ask...:)

Can anybody help <8> out there?
He needs some help from us Avalonians.
Please help.
Difficult for me 'Healthy Skeptic' as I'm in the 'wrong' time zone.
Please Help our 'fellow' Avalonian.

[Daft Ada]

I did just above you

[<8>]

The thing is, i saw there are a few people who ask questions to Bill, And i was just curious what Bills response were.

My curious got the best of me, i will extend my patience and give Bill the time he needs


Thanks guys..

[DarMar]

It appears to me that he believes that we are responsible for the damage done to Earth because of our negative and fearful thought patterns in a 3D environment

I couldnt agree more Snowbird on that point of view.

also King Anthony made worth post
There is a deeper message within the Original Post - and according to some/many of the reply posts, it appears the deeper message has not been "read" and if one cannot "read" it then it cannot be understood even if told.

In latest day forum is spammed with fear propaganda instead of creative solutions.
After that Bill steps up and tells his opinion but his post is ALSO spammed with elenin fear propaganda. Without even considering what message he did just send out.
As i was saying since im member here and whole my life out of this community, people want that something else happens so they do not need do their own work.

Did anyone noticed that Bill made STATEMENT, he did not ask opinions (as he usually does).
What happened after? his thought is spammed with arguings about whos who and whats what!
He didnt asked if someone is 59 y. retired navy pilot or garbage collector, he simply told what was on his mind.

If some are interested whats causing tornados, quakes and mess arround world he can simply view this thread in complete form and he would understand.
He would understand that WE are causing that.
Or somebody would tell that this mess on this post is caused from evil aliens, or maybe piece of elenin has aligned and humans are now evil.

It is only HUMAN work what happens to us all

And i gotta say BRAVO on that, wonder who will we blamed next?

[aranuk]

T4Me I never mentioned Elenin. I also never predicted anything would happen. I am worried that there might be no one around to tell me I was right even for the fact that I never said such a thing.

Stan Look at your first sentence in your original reply. "Bill what are you going to tell us next?" The main point in Bill's thread is that Elenin is gone. Then he gives his thoughts on the matter. What I mean by "calling out" is that your asking Bill to explain himself. By reading your reply it seems to me your mad at Bill for some reason. If I'm assuming to much please forgive me. For the record I do believe Bill was off the mark on Atticus and you made a valid point IMHO about it. If Bill doesn't start the thread about Elenin then would you have ask the question "Bill what are you going to tell us next?".....again if I offended you please accept my apology. We are all truth seekers and to me that is the main point of the forum.

My opening and first statement as you quoted addresses the whole of Bill's post not ONLY about Elenin. Does this explain anything to you?

Stan

[ulli]

It appears to me that he believes that we are responsible for the damage done to Earth because of our negative and fearful thought patterns in a 3D environment

I couldnt agree more Snowbird on that point of view.

also King Anthony made worth post
There is a deeper message within the Original Post - and according to some/many of the reply posts, it appears the deeper message has not been "read" and if one cannot "read" it then it cannot be understood even if told.

In latest day forum is spammed with fear propaganda instead of creative solutions.
After that Bill steps up and tells his opinion but his post is ALSO spammed with elenin fear propaganda. Without even considering what message he did just send out.
As i was saying since im member here and whole my life out of this community, people want that something else happens so they do not need do their own work.

Did anyone noticed that Bill made STATEMENT, he did not ask opinions (as he usually does).
What happened after? his thought is spammed with arguings about whos who and whats what!
He didnt asked if someone is 59 y. retired navy pilot or garbage collector, he simply told what was on his mind.

If some are interested whats causing tornados, quakes and mess arround world he can simply view this thread in complete form and he would understand.
He would understand that WE are causing that.Or somebody would tell that this mess on this post is caused from evil aliens, or maybe piece of elenin has aligned and humans are now evil.

It is only HUMAN work what happens to us all

And i gotta say BRAVO on that, wonder who will we blamed next?

Great post. The best statement I marked in red and extra bold.
Part of becoming responsible is to take responsibility for whatever happens, individually as well as collectively.
So if the collective just gets on with creating a better world it simply will happen.
We are all going to live inside of our own deeds.

[Lifebringer]

Correction NIBIRU is still there.

[Daft Ada]

Good, we are not talking about Nibiru, but I don't believe in that either ;)

[Solace]

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Dear Friends:

It can be taken as fact now that Comet Elenin is no more.

http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/09/05/the-breakup-of-comet-elenin

With its departure comes the demise (I do hope!) of a prolonged wave of irrationality that could only have been in the interests of anyone who wants to further our enslavement while we're all getting distracted by the kind of viral nonsense that's been proliferating for months now.





Sooooo, Hoagland was full of sh*t, again... Despite this, He's attending conferences...

[TWINCANS]

It appears to me that he believes that we are responsible for the damage done to Earth because of our negative and fearful thought patterns in a 3D environment

I couldnt agree more Snowbird on that point of view.

If some are interested whats causing tornados, quakes and mess arround world he can simply view this thread in complete form and he would understand.
He would understand that WE are causing that.

Great post. The best statement I marked in red and extra bold.
Part of becoming responsible is to take responsibility for whatever happens, individually as well as collectively.
So if the collective just gets on with creating a better world it simply will happen.
We are all going to live inside of our own deeds.

Doesn't that sort of broad brushstroke finger-pointing remind you of the New Age 'healer' who feels completely justified in saying, 'So you're dying of cancer? You caused it.' And they live from the heart lol.

I guess if 'the collective' includes the controllers off and on planet then 'we' are to blame, but the blame game is not very helpful here imho.

[OnyxKnight]

Correction NIBIRU is still there.

Correction: Was there, 8 years ago.

[onawah]

There is so much more going on on Earth and in our entire part of space than can be blamed on the karma of the human race!
Natural cycles that were put into motion so long ago we don't even know when they began.
Certainly human negativity has an effect on weather, etc.,
But to maintain that humankind is the cause of all that happens on the planet is akin to the kind of retarded, egocentric world view that was once widely held ( enforced by the RCChurch) --that the Earth is the center of the Universe and Earth is the only world in the Universe where there is life.

It is getting progressively more difficult to see where Hoagland is coming from these days. Of late, his style has grown increasingly more theatrical and his theories more and more unaccountable.
Instead of emphasizing the kind of real data that lends plausibility to his theories, he builds on and sensationalizes the most untenable.
His style reminds me of that of a carnival barker, whose only real intent is to hook the gullible paying "marks" into giving him their hard earned bucks so they can get into the carnival tent to see the freak show.
And if the show isn't really freaky, but actually consists of some natural wonders of Nature, he will do his best to paint it as freaky, the more to impress the gawking crowd.

I never enjoyed that overblown exaggerated style very much, which really only gives more fodder for the skeptics and detractors to discount all conspiracy theory as hogwash, but lately it's becoming downright revolting.
I wonder if it's got anything to do with aging. Possibly some kind of dementia?
I feel for his family and friends.

[Hervé]

I did a quick search and these are the closest relevant sources I found ...

Leonid Elenins' blog :

http://spaceobs.org/en/news/

Entry from 9/9 reads :

The First Radio Observations of Comet Elenin

American radio astronomers report that did not detect any water coming from any remains of comet Elenin. Amy Lovell observed it for 7 hours on Sept 7 using the Green Bank Telescope (it is not yet in the Arecibo declination window) and did not detect any OH line above the noise level of 2.4 mJy. This puts a limit of a few times 107 molecules/second on the gas production rate, which is about 100 times less than earlier predictions. This data may confirm disintegration proccess in comet’s nucleus which stareted on mid August. The next radio observations may be carry out on October by Arecibo radio observatory, of course if we will see comet Elenin on images from SOHO spacecraft.



Further check : http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/


Latest images : 10/9 /2011


http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/browse/2011/09/10/behind/hi1/1024/



Can anyone confirm the identity of the bright scattered object close to Sun ?



[...]


Hi Agape!

What's left of comet Elenin got out of Stereo B field of view on Sept. 4.

To check that, go to: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images

and enter the dates as 20110815 and 20110909 and you'll get your own movie of what's happened.



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The dates between August 15 and Sept. 09, Behind HI1, resolution 1024X1024, slideshow... search...

Comet Elenin starts from the lower left corner, Sun to the left, Mercury and Jupiter to the right.


Enjoy the show!

PS: See my post # 1191 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Is-it-Comet-Elenin-Is-it-Nibiru-Elenin-Updates.&p=301314&viewfull=1#post301314)

[ulli]

It appears to me that he believes that we are responsible for the damage done to Earth because of our negative and fearful thought patterns in a 3D environment

I couldnt agree more Snowbird on that point of view.

If some are interested whats causing tornados, quakes and mess arround world he can simply view this thread in complete form and he would understand.
He would understand that WE are causing that.

Great post. The best statement I marked in red and extra bold.
Part of becoming responsible is to take responsibility for whatever happens, individually as well as collectively.
So if the collective just gets on with creating a better world it simply will happen.
We are all going to live inside of our own deeds.

Doesn't that sort of broad brushstroke finger-pointing remind you of the New Age 'healer' who feels completely justified in saying, 'So you're dying of cancer? You caused it.' And they live from the heart lol.

I guess if 'the collective' includes the controllers off and on planet then 'we' are to blame, but the blame game is not very helpful here imho.
Since you used the word blame game, I will do so as well, since I believe the blame game is alive and well, it is only a matter of shifting the blame around a bit.
Then energy can be applied where it needs to be directed.

I never heard of a healer who was glib about people causing their own illnesses, but I can assure you that most doctors after a while come to believe that illness is psychosomatic, including accidents. The subconscious cannot be underestimated.
My husband is convinced of it, not because of how he was trained at medical school, but from knowing his regular patients and their lives.
He would never tell a patient that, however.

I do know there are many people who get very angry at the mere suggestion that they only have themselves to blame for their lives.
Actually, I believe just as long as the masses are still looking for someone outside of themselves to blame, like the government, their parents, the weather, change will be slower, as this drains all of their energy.
Taking control of one's own reality changes all of that.

What I'm saying is that now there is an immense opportunity for the collective, namely that of no longer allowing psychopaths to run their world, just like a lot of people in unhappy marriages got rid of their psychopathic and oppressive spouses.
Those spouses where projections of their own unintegrated selves in the first place.
It took me years of soul searching before I finally admitted this truth to myself...but I sure felt liberated once I did.

The monarchs of the past no longer have absolute power, the way they used to right up to the last century, then the dictators who followed them are on the way out as well, and in the long term these few decades of the elite's last minute entrenchment will be forgotten as well.
The awakening process is well underway, IMHO.

[king anthony]

...his style has grown increasingly more theatrical and his theories more and more unaccountable... ...reminds me of that of a carnival barker, whose only real intent is to hook the gullible paying "marks" into giving him their hard earned bucks so they can get into the carnival tent... ...overblown exaggerated style very much, which really only gives more fodder for the skeptics and detractors to discount all conspiracy theory as hogwash...

The following is not directed to any named person (specifically) in the quoted post (or thread) and is in brief.

I say, in part the problem is, that in order to keep the masses (population/collective) attention is to out do the last said (or performance); lest one becomes repetitive. By chance and design what happens to most who are sincere with truths/facts is the masses demand more and they are never satisfied with the same old boring truth. As well, some who attempt to aid and share knowledge and understanding change to adapt to the demands, becoming someone else over "time".

How many times do the masses (in PA or elsewhere) seek answers from someone and if it does not "resonate" or an answer is not given they dismiss them totally; even when more is given, the masses refuse to accept once it crosses their personal line of acceptance. This cuts deep into those with good intentions and the vultures (minions) of "the few" (or "those others") take advantage to devour.

Aside from those who willing make choice to deceive, regardless if what they originally had to say is fact/truth or from the start fiction, ask - who is really to blame for theatrics, wild theories, carnival tactics, overblown exaggerated styles and opening the door to debunkers and skeptics who are by chance or design; they themselves or others!?

Remaining consistent is boring; however, it is what passes the test of "time" - for truths/facts never change and the addition to these things will either fail (if untrue/factual) or succeed (if true/factual).

[Hervé]

Yep! Agreement on that convergence of indicators back to one's own self, Ulli.

As for the ones taking advantage of that created and enforced ignorance:

See, until about the middle of the last century, human population was just considered run-of-the-mill humans and very few knew of a certain category of people which considered anything not being "them," useless eaters...

Then, in that run-of-the-mill population, some kind of awareness grew about the existence of some sort of "evil" in the form of mass-murderers and serial killers.

With that growing awareness came the spread of that realization that a psychopathic behavior and profile was also best fitting with political personalities, bankers of old and recent, etc...

That realization itself grew to the point of a gasping: "OMG! They are everywhere at the top of any and every organization!"

With the above also came the cognizance that this particular category of people where creating, changing, switching all existing laws to their specific advantage and profit... and the run-of-the-mill population slowly realized it was caught and entangled in a huge web spun by these psychos and their minions/adherents/zombies.

Hence the question: how to disentangle "us" from "them?" in view of the fact that "they" have multiple solutions to weed out "us" from "them."

Therefore, and accordingly, the "split" is occurring right under our nose as the run-of-the-mill population is beginning to learn the tools of how to recognize the "parasites" for what they are.

The "taped" programming ran out.

One thing to keep in mind is that "they" have their equivalence/correspondence in other dimensions than 3D... so, the "split" has to occur there as well.

[Sesan]

I have found this thread extremely interesting and I value Bill's " insider" knowledge very very much. I hope that everything he said in the original post was the truth and totally accurate. He obviously has been privy to insider information and has only good intentions as always.

Now with that said, I would also like to mention that there are plenty of other very credible researchers saying a very much different story. I just recently watched David Wilcock's: The Source Field video. If you haven't done the same, might I suggest you take the time to watch it. Some mindblowing information, with substantial scientific data to support it. Not all doom and gloom whatsoever, but some fascinating stuff. There is no mention of any comets, but this video is captivating to say the least and puts a new spin, at least to me, to these very interesting times in which we are living.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-klTa1y54

Now I know there are many on Avalon that have little use for Richard Hoagland, and that he may have a little egg on his face at the present time, but he also just may have been somewhat closer to the truth than we may think. One shouldn't forget his credentials either and his insider knowledge. Who knows, maybe Elenin wasn't just a comet and that the 'powers that be' took care of things long before it arrives here. How will any of us know the truth? We here can debate all we want. Hopefully someday we will learn the truth!

I guess what I am really trying to say is simply this; I have met so many incredible people on this site that are much, much more awakened than I, and that many of these people feel something is wrong with the current situation. I find it very hard to think this was an over reaction and mass hysteria. I for one believe that we need to continue to question, educate ourselves, and prepare for an unseen future, looking at all the facts out there and trying to put together the puzzle pieces. Isn't this what the ulternative community is all about!

I do hope this makes sense. Check out the video at least and let's hear your thoughts.

Bill I am one of your biggest fans just for the record.

Sesan

[Bill Ryan]

Please forgive my lack of experience on this site, Bill has been gone from the day i join until a few weeks ago.
Are a one way conversation normal here, Do not Bill answer people here??

Here I am. :)

I just can’t be online all the time. I only started the thread less than 24 hours ago.


Maybe Bill prefer a private message?

Please, no! I’m overwhelmed with messages of all kinds and can’t keep up at the moment.


Yes Bill has been away a while, I know not why and it's none of my business.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28994-Bill-Ryan-in-Portland-Oregon-15-16-October-2011&p=295060&viewfull=1#post295060


Thanks, Bill. So, no earth polar flip over then?

No: no pole shift.


I would like to hear Bill's views on the theory of the 2 earths and the splitting of realities, which I personally think will go the way of the Elenin story.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29557-Spaceship-Earth-and-YOU-are-the-captain.&p=301587&viewfull=1#post301587


but what about the notion, that due to our solar system's movement to a "higher charged" part of the universe, we can profit from a higher energy permeating the whole solar system, like David Wilcock says and he does make quite a case with plenty of scientific evidence.

I’m not discounting this possibility. But whatever happens, it will not be instant -- or timed for a particular day or even a particular year.

A "higher charged part of the universe” (or any part of the universe) is a huge area which does not have well-defined now-you’ve-crossed-this-line delineations.

An example is crossing the galactic plane. This does not happen in a day, or even a decade. It’s a gradual process, like an ant crossing a field, that may take many years as an energetic area (if this is what it is) is gradually entered, and then equally gradually left behind.


The universe doesn't have to apply to your or anyone's logic. From my understanding myriads of parallel universes are created in any given moment, so whatever, the current situation seems totally unprecedented in the whole universe.

Parallel universes are something a little different from what Inelia and Dolores Cannon were describing.



4) 'Planet X' (a brown dwarf star several times the size of Jupiter) is out there, heading this way, but we'll only be informed of it officially in a few years' time. It will not cause any civilization-destroying cataclysm, but is likely to trigger extreme weather and various forms of seismic activity - mainly due to its influence on the sun.

That's a pretty bold statement. How do you know 'what' Planet X is and when it will be 'announced'? How do you know that some Annunaki wouldn't come down, when and if it passes?

I don’t know with certainty what Planet X is, but I’m reasonably sure. We’ve had a number of whistleblowers and good researchers (Henry Deacon, Andy Lloyd, Bob Dean, Jake Simpson, Bill Deagle, and even Charles/Atticus among them) who have said pretty much exactly the same thing.

Charles/Atticus said the solar system was a binary system, but didn’t know any more about it. Henry worked in NOAA for a while, where he heard talk of “the second sun”. Bill Deagle himself has learned much from detailed inside info. All those named cited that it would not be with us for a few years yet.

Add that to the Robert Harrington story here…

http://yowusa.com/planetx/2008/planetx-2008-05b/1.shtml

…(plus much else!), and for me it becomes pretty certain this is real.

http://projectavalon.net/Planet_X_Washington_Post_1983_p1_sm.jpg

For a larger image of the newspaper cutting, click here ---->

http://projectavalon.net/Planet_X_Washington_Post_1983_p1.jpg

Regarding the Anunnaki, you can be sure they’re not riding around on Planet X waiting patiently to return to Earth. They have their own highly advanced transportation, and be here any time they choose to.

Henry Deacon had encountered the Anunnaki on Mars… and described them in detail. Jake Simpson also referred to meeting Anunnaki in person on Planet Earth.

Clark McClelland witnessed, on a flight control monitor, an 8-9 foot tall ET standing in the space shuttle payload bay. (This matches Henry’s and Jake’s descriptions of the height of the Anunnaki.) It seems very credible to me that they are here… and are quite unrelated to the movements of Planet X or any other body out there.



So what will happen?

No one knows. What you see for the future is pretty much conservative common sense, far from all-encompassing. How about the wars? How about the spreading insurrections and civil unrest? How about the creation of more and more intentional communities and the awakening? How about free energy and technological breakthroughs? How about more false flags and so many other possibilities?

Yes, I agree: all those things too.


Just doing a little research...found this...


"Things are heating up out there! Latest/Last images of Elenin from the SECCHI depict that Elenin did not break up and also shows the comet turned sharply.

Please link here to documentation (rather than just a claim that's been copied and reposted several times) that the comet “turned sharply”. This is a genuine request. I can't find anything at all that substantiates this.


it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

This is the red giant CW Leonis.

http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143

I posted a piece about this on Project Camelot three years ago:

http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_1.html

...7 July 2008 post: scroll down to this heading:



• Hot object in the sky is not 'Planet X'
I had written:



Click here (http://www.google.com/sky/#latitude=13.304102866767089&longitude=-33.0029296875&zoom=7&Spitzer=0.00&ChandraXO=0.00&Galex=0.00&IRAS=100.00&WMAP=0.00&Cassini=0.00&slide=1&mI=-1&oI=-1) for a Google Sky image of an anomalous object which is extremely bright in the infrared. We derived it from a YouTube video recently posted by someone who claimed it was 'Planet X'. We sent the link to Henry Deacon, who advised us it was the red giant CW Leonis (http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143). We checked, and indeed it is. Thanks, Henry, once again, for sharing your extraordinarily wide-ranging knowledge.All best wishes, Bill

[Maia Gabrial]

Sorry Bill, but this is just another opinion in a long list of what's going to happen. We all just have to wait and see what transpires, but in the meantime, get on with life....

[shadowbox]

Bill, I don't disagree.. but why should anyone listen to you? It's almost absurd. Who do you think you are, Moses? No one can say anything for certain. You certainly are not anymore in the know than anyone else on this forum. I've slowly witnessed this forum take on pseudo cult statius in some ways. I really wish people didn't look at you as a leader. It's sad.

If there is one thing you can say to anyone else in absolute certainty, it is "know thyself".

Everyone on these forums talks about the "sheeple", "awakening", etc. The funny thing is that these same people are the ones whose minds are made as soon as you state a "fact". This forum has become a microcosm for the state of the modern world. It's very paradoxical indeed!

Interesting. I respect your work, Bill, but c'mon.. Let it be. We all will find our own answers.

It is all relative.

[kathymarie]

Here are two I posted weeks ago....Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZY115vfYk and http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky. Images used in Google Sky may be 20 years old...



it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

I might be wrong here, but i think google sky is not up to date, not refreshed daily with new photos. the picures they use are made by the HST (Hubble Space Telescope) in the past.

but again, I don't know this for sure. feel free to correct me - but with links please.

other thing is, somewhere deep inside I hoped that this Elenin thing is a cluster of ships or something like that...and if you think of it, maybe not the comet broke apart, just the ships spread. hm? ;)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, I don't disagree.. but why should anyone listen to you?

You shouldn't. My best advice: Don't believe anything I say to you - including this.

:)

If anything I say or write contributes to anyone's better understanding (or gives them access to better information!) - then I'll have made a contribution. And the same applies to any member here.

[christian]

Thanks for all the clarification, Bill, much appreciated.



The universe doesn't have to apply to your or anyone's logic. From my understanding myriads of parallel universes are created in any given moment, so whatever, the current situation seems totally unprecedented in the whole universe.

Parallel universes are something a little different from what Inelia and Dolores Cannon were describing.

True. Your explanation for your statement "The Earth has not 'divided in two' (and nor will it) - and no-one's going to be 'left behind'." was "Please think, with the aid of a grounded friend if necessary, about the reductio ad absurdum involved.", which bewildered me, it seemed as if of today you could not conceive wondrous metaphysical concepts anymore.

Isn't it an objective of the game, to move through the dimensions consciously? Doesn't it seem, as if humanity right now is at a point, where a large portion of it does make this choice and efforts to accomplish it consciously? There is also a lot of information suggesting, that the chance is available and efforts to do so are supported by those already existing in higher dimensions.

From my understanding this possible massive shift is what is called 'splitting' of the earth, which might be misleading nomenclature. To me it feels, as if right now it is building up momentum, preparing for the actual jump, everybody is around when this build-up happens, but many already choose to not use this chance and it's thus foreseeable, that they won't make it, they are around and thus 'have to' experience the build-up to it but are determined not to jump, when it comes to the point, that's how I understand Inelia's description (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29557-Spaceship-Earth-and-YOU-are-the-captain.&p=301587&viewfull=1#post301587) of the splitting she felt, that already happened. The earth is of course already existing in 5d, but from our 3d perspective, it was hardly possible, if not impossible for a long time (depending on existing/non-existing energy grids around the planet), to do this shift. I don't know, whether or not all this shift-issue is a fact, I just go with it, because if it is not true, at least I do something good on the way, cultivating qualities of serenity of consciousness while intending to do the shift in order to play my part in the progress of the whole play.

But maybe humanity is played upon, which would be a magnificient move. Imagine kids in a burning building, which are playing and not noticing or caring about the fire, they are destined to burn. Now someone wants to save them, but cannot interfere physically. He says "Get out, you'll burn!", but the children just don't care. So he says "I got pretty new bikes for you outside" and by thus lying to them, promising something desirable, he tricks them into saving themselves, this could be played out with humanity, with 'ascension' as a carrot, so that we may become wise and truly responsible.

So I'm curious, what is your take on the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions of existence? I understand this is what some people call splitting of the earth, where of course some people would be 'left behind' in 3d, it's all personal choice and responsibility.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm curious, what is your take on the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions of existence?

Many thanks for the post. I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Here's a brief overview while waiting for your clarification. We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

That climb could be called "ascension" - if one is looking for a word.

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

[Curt]

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

I've often felt this way about ascension/rapture and have expressed as much. I'm delighted to hear you say exactly this.....that a conflation of these two principles has taken place to the detriment of the true ascension.....

[Hervé]

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it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

This is the red giant CW Leonis.

http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143

I posted a piece about this on Project Camelot three years ago:

http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_1.html

...7 July 2008 post: scroll down to this heading:




• Hot object in the sky is not 'Planet X'
I had written:




Click here (http://www.google.com/sky/#latitude=13.304102866767089&longitude=-33.0029296875&zoom=7&Spitzer=0.00&ChandraXO=0.00&Galex=0.00&IRAS=100.00&WMAP=0.00&Cassini=0.00&slide=1&mI=-1&oI=-1) for a Google Sky image of an anomalous object which is extremely bright in the infrared. We derived it from a YouTube video recently posted by someone who claimed it was 'Planet X'. We sent the link to Henry Deacon, who advised us it was the red giant CW Leonis (http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143). We checked, and indeed it is. Thanks, Henry, once again, for sharing your extraordinarily wide-ranging knowledge.
All best wishes, Bill


Here are two I posted weeks ago....Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZY115vfYk and http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky. Images used in Google Sky may be 20 years old...



it's a lie. Elenin is still there past mercury on the right now instead of the left showing it is moving in the last two weeks from the last place of residence. Google.com/sky and see it in infrared once you key in mercury which is our closest planet to the sun. It has moved and is coming in so be ready for the change.

I might be wrong here, but i think google sky is not up to date, not refreshed daily with new photos. the picures they use are made by the HST (Hubble Space Telescope) in the past.

but again, I don't know this for sure. feel free to correct me - but with links please.

other thing is, somewhere deep inside I hoped that this Elenin thing is a cluster of ships or something like that...and if you think of it, maybe not the comet broke apart, just the ships spread. hm? ;)

To help make it a closed case, here is from http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/comet-2010-x1-elenin-nibiru-and-google.html:



Comet 2010 X1 Elenin, Nibiru and Google Sky


Virtual telescopes such as Google Sky (http://www.google.com/sky/), World Wide Telescope (http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/Home.aspx) and Wiki Sky (http://www.wikisky.org/) have allowed people to explore the sky in great detail at many different wavelengths. However, if you are not familiar with the sky some things may be of great puzzlement; especially the difference in view between the infrared sky views and the visual data.

First off you should know something about the images. All the programs use the same databases, for example the Palomar Deep Sky Survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Society_%E2%80%93_Palomar_Observatory_Sky_Survey) for visual data, and the IRAS survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAS) for infrared images. There are (very) minor discrepancies in the location and appearance of objects between the three programs due to they way the images are digitized/compressed and stitched together, but they are using exactly same images.

Another thing to remember is that the DSS plates date from 1956-1958 (yes, that's right), and the IRAS images date from 1983. So they reflect the sky situation decades ago. Nonetheless, the sky revealed by these images can be quite astounding.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s320/Google_visible.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZMJQFtMI/AAAAAAAABoc/OydnxbNi_vQ/s1600-h/Google_visible.png) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s320/Google_IRAS.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FgKwPBKWZpo/SpRZLnvH32I/AAAAAAAABoU/LhwadiF7npc/s1600-h/Google_IRAS.png)

Take for example this image of a bright, angry looking object in the IR view of Google Sky (right image, also seen in world wide telescope and wiki sky, search on the following coordinates 09:47:27, 13:16:27), absent from the visible light view (left image).

This object is now being touted as comet Elenin, a while ago it was being touted as Nibiru (http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2009/08/nibiru-it-is-not.html). In fact it is is the carbon star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_star) CW Leonis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_%2B10216) (also known as IRC +10216, PK 221+45 1 and the Peanut Nebula (http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=IRC+%2B10216&jsessionid=9B28A5414FB4CCC3FF061DAD0CCB1629)). CW Leonis is the brightest object in the 10 μm infrared sky, and well known to experienced observers. But if you are new to the field, it can look quite mysterious.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s320/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD-d1NSz1I/Tgc-g0Zeb4I/AAAAAAAADgM/tTjjY9UEK_A/s1600/Wikisky_Arifact_1.png) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s320/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YcU8Wgdjtas/Tgc-hDq7sSI/AAAAAAAADgU/cwMZT-sv7Pk/s1600/Wikisky_Artifact_2.png)

Now take a look at the object in the left hand image above (this time in Wikisky at 06h 08m 55s, 22 47' 21", you can find it at the same coordinates in Google Sky and WorldWide Telescope). This also has been claimed to represent Nibiru (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/) and/or Elenin. It actually looks like a planetary nebula, a bit like the Cats Eye Nebula (http://www.✰.net/nibiru-planet-x-maybe-update-wwt-is-the-newer-location/), however, zooming out reveals its true nature (see image right).

It is an artifact, a vagrant blob of light on those plates, there's a few of them on the larger image (and some edge artifacts from differing exposures between the plates as they stitched the images together, Google sky uses a different approach to compressing the images, so the object and the other artifacts look slightly different). Despite being one of the best instruments of its time, the 48 inch telescope at Palomar Observatory did not always take perfect images.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s320/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4z90aqOCDL8/Tgc-gcuv2YI/AAAAAAAADgE/l5NKVDwNuuE/s1600/Wikisky_SPica_Artifact2.png)

A nice example is this image near Spica in Virgo, where you can see an image of the primary mirror in the picture just above Spica (the bright star in the target box).

As well, while the Palomar survey was roughly only 99% complete, there are some areas where plates were not of high enough quality (or don't digitize well), some of these blank spots are claimed as "cover-ups", but just represent areas of data loss (http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky) for one or more reasons.

Similarly, the IRAS survey was not complete (around 96% of the sky), and there are a number of missing frames where images weren't taken, or the images were defective.

So while the virtual telescopes can give us unprecedented views of the sky at multiple wavelengths, what you see can occasionally be difficult to interpret. Before rushing off to claim comets or brown dwarf stars, take a bit of time to become antiquated with astronomical objects, and the characteristics of the images. You may learn something wonderful.

[shadowbox]

Bill, I don't disagree.. but why should anyone listen to you?

You shouldn't. My best advice: Don't believe anything I say to you - including this.

:)

If anything I say or write contributes to anyone's better understanding (or gives them access to better information!) - then I'll have made a contribution. And the same applies to any member here.

All in love, my friend :). Hopefully my words don't come across too harshly.

[Carmen]

I agree with you Bill, in that everyone has to do the work, the spiritual work, to clean up their act and expand their consciousness. Many people on earth at this time have spent lifetimes learning, studying the Great Work of Spiritual Advancement/Enlightenment. This time is the Greatest Opportunity for eons to advance spiritually. The help and the attention on earth and off earth is testament to this Great Opportunity. So many souls are here now because of this opportunity. They are either here to help or to take the opportunity that is now. We are all invited to the Cosmic Party, should we wish to attend. The ticket to ride is a pure loving consciousness, cleared of hates and fears and beliefs and controls.

[onawah]

Thanks Bill. I've arrived at pretty much the same conclusions after much study and application of my " BS detector".
I suppose there will be disappointment on this forum at such a common sense explanation, but I find it most refreshing.

Thanks also for the link to your post re the "split earth, separate realities" theories.
For my own part, I think I have been waiting too, for the time when enough people realize that it's really going to be (comparatively) life as usual for some time to come, as humankind realizes that there aren't going to be any quick fixes to our problems, and that they are going to have to be solved in real time by real people for the most part.

Although I do think we are obviously getting some ET assistance, and the proof is that we haven't blown ourselves up yet.
But cosmic babysitters, they aren't.
They have a job to do, but it's not to interfere with the maturation process of this planet's race, more just to make sure we don't destroy ourselves or the planet as we go through this wobbly stage.

Which is pretty much what Bob Dean says, and I don't mind admitting that I will listen with close attention to anything he has to say, right up until he stops talking altogether.
BTW, if you haven't heard it, there's a good 2 part interview with him on Red Ice in the last post #717, last one on the page, at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=305288#post305288

Most of it is stuff he has said before, but he expanded a bit on some of it.
There is no substitute for first hand experience, or having direct contact with those who have first hand experience.

As for opinions,of course, everyone has a right to one, though their value varies considerably!
(Speaking of adolescent stages, PA seems to be have crawled into a hole lately too, :argue:which is odd, since there used to be a lot more old souls here. Hopefully it will work it's way back out again. )

Meanwhile, I thank you for your patience and tolerance for the frequent lack of simple, basic, grownup good manners and civility on this forum of late.
Hopefully it is just another stage that will soon pass, and some fresh, intelligent and invigorating new energy will be coming this way again in the wake of the Awake and Aware Conf.

BTW, are the descriptions of the Annunaki by Henry Deacon and Jake Simpson in their interviews on Camelot, or was that too top secret for public divulgence?
I have seen most of what's on PC, and I do recall something re the Annunaki, but I don't recall much about actual descriptions.

What I would most like to know, if you have any relevant information, has to do with how much longer the hard core Illuminati will be able to withstand the changes in frequency that the Earth is moving into now.
That is, if you hold with those theories--something many channelers and intuitives are saying, as I'm sure you are aware-- that those of dark agendas which are service to self oriented will not be able to remain here much longer, and that will put a swifter end to their plans than the 100th Monkey scenario by itself. Though it would seem that the impressions they have left on many who will remain will not be so easily eradicated...
Do you concur? If so, why?

Thanks Bill!
Safe journeying to you.:wave:

[TWINCANS]

I never heard of a healer who was glib about people causing their own illnesses,

I am honest when I say that I have - too many times. It is most cruel.
(sorry, not trying to hijack, just wanted to clarify)

[onawah]

My words about Richard Hoagland in a previous post were harsh.
He has provided some amazing information and very good fresh perspectives on many subjects over the years.
It's his style that I object to, and the fact that it seems to be getting more flamboyant and exaggerated rather than less so, and less so is what I had hoped for.
The more credibility whistleblowers can bring to the field, the better for everyone.
I think a point will be reached, and I hope it will be soon, that the more credible the whistleblower, the more people will pay attention.
Or perhaps we have reached that point already, and Hoagland just hasn't noticed it yet.

[Mutchie]

but still everything rational aside WHAT CAUSED THE EARTHQUAKES DURING THE ALLIGNMENTS....the biggest ever quakes ?

ANSWERS PLEASE ?

Even if we believe comet elenin was a comet which is open to debate how do we truly know that on sept26th we arent going to suffer the biggest allignment to date ?

is bill saying these allignments were deliberately caused to trick us all.....

something caused our planet to shift 4 inches off its axis

[applecrusher1992]

Thanks Bill I appreciate the post.

[thewebkid]

There are some of us who are just curious about a comet that has interesting orbital and numeric properties. Not that it affects putting our pants on one leg at a time or not, but the global interest and the fact that kerry and bill have differing opinions, hoagland's research... all very interesting. It's not a huge apocalyptical topic for me, but super interesting and sorta lame to see people drop the interest in what it was suddenly as though they were afraid of being the butt of a cosmic joke.

[Hervé]

but still everything rational aside WHAT CAUSED THE EARTHQUAKES DURING THE ALLIGNMENTS....the biggest ever quakes ?

ANSWERS PLEASE ?

Even if we believe comet elenin was a comet which is open to debate how do we truly know that on sept26th we arent going to suffer the biggest allignment to date ?

is bill saying these allignments were deliberately caused to trick us all.....

something caused our planet to shift 4 inches off its axis

Hi Mutchie!

I have been looking for that "alignment" and I could never find it for that date.

All I could ever find was a skewing of the data to fit the theory.

There never was an actual alignment:

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March 15 was when the actual alignment occurred.

However, there are a lot of doubts regarding what actually caused that "colossal" earthquake, starting with its actual, original intensity:

See: http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html


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Did the Dimona Dozen murder the Fukushima 50?


This site has been all but delisted over this article, THE ONLY WAY THIS INFORMATION CAN GET OUT NOW IS BY YOU POSTING TO BLOGS, LINKING E-MAILS ECT. I permit ANYONE to set up a site mirror of the news section and run it as their own provided the wording remains the same and links are included. After getting one cell modem bricked by someone other than my service provider, I am taking my chances with another modem. Back up this site if you are thinking about it, it could be next. THIS SITE, WITH A DIFFERENT PROVIDER IS PAID FOR IN FULL for 627 more days and will not go down unless they take it down. If it goes down you have your answer as to why.
I have now appeared on two radio programs, to hear me speak click here. (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/links.html)Deanna Spingola has apologized for the rudeness of her co-host, who was an ambush to her and disrupted the program. She said "never again!" and has invited me to appear on her program again without him. Psy ops abound and he was obviously one! Due to the many good calls and my strong documentation I got through it well. However, In addition to the host, they also bricked cell modem 2 during the program, and woodpeckered my hard drive in an attempt to kill it. That is why I stopped giving links in the second half of the program, I was dead in the water but kept quiet about it. I accept her invitation to appear again, but there are two other programs to do first. It's a war folks!


Easy read version (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.htm)
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Did the Dimona Dozen murder the Fukushima 50?
Fukushima may in fact have been caused by an act of war under the cover of an environmental disaster.
It took them three hundred years and trillions of dollars to build a theatre of darkness, yet the light of only one match can burn it down. Do not let this light go out. Archive and POST!
Jim Stone, Freelance Journalist, Updated Monday, June 13, 2011


This is a massive report. If you have troubles understanding it, just look at THIS picture of the vanished reactor, (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/containment.jpg)THIS picture of the destroyed facility (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/reference.jpg)and THIS picture, of Magna BSP's camera. (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/camera.jpg) Then scroll down to the photos of the NON EXISTENT quake damage and seismic charts which prove there was no 9.0 and therefore the very real tsunami could not have been natural. The fact that what happened in Japan did not occur naturally has been very well documented by a skilled investigator, who spent hundreds of hours getting to the bottom of this story.


NEW INFO: Japan offered to enrich uranium for IRAN!
HERE ARE THE LINKS: Ynet news (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3853864,00.html)... Inside Japan News Network (http://www.insidejapantours.com/japan-news/1162/japan-makes-uranium-offer-to-iran/)...The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/3016-japan-offers-to-enrich-uranium-for-iran)...Rianovosti news (http://en.rian.ru/world/20100224/157989828.html)...Hindustan Times (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Japan-offers-to-enrich-uranium-for-Iran-report/Article1-512391.aspx)...Zee News (http://www.zeenews.com/news606889.html)


AND FOUR MONTHS LATER, THE DIMONA DOZEN SHOWED UP WITH A REALLY FANCY CAMERA!! (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/camera.jpg)


This report uses classified leaked high resolution photos of the destruction of Fukushima originally posted on Pink Tentacle to support it's claims.


They are,
1. Reactor 3 is completely missing, which means the press and anyone who has claimed anything about pressures, temperatures, containment, ect about reactor 3 after March 14 are lying and people need to pay attention to it, because failure of the public to realize the massive extent of the lies about what is going on there will leave the door open to a repeat event.


2. Reactor 4 is building 7, demolished by explosives. Reactor 4 had been defueled and was undergoing replacement of it's internal stainless steel shroud, yet blew it's containment anyway. That is the FINAL smoking gun, an empty reactor is inert, and cannot produce an explosion, yet one happened at 4 that was so powerful it destroyed the structure leaving it in danger of falling over. Overheated open fuel pools cannot produce hydrogen because in an open fuel pool the water boils off at 100 Celsius, and won't be present in pressurized form at 2,000 degrees Celsius to liberate it's hydrogen by losing it's oxygen to the zircon cladding in the fuel rods. The rods will prefer the free oxygen in the air and burn long before attempting to claim the oxygen in whatever humidity there might be. Because fuel rods only contain 20 percent fissionable material, they also cannot produce the "prompt criticality" "The most qualified nuclear engineer in the world" Arnie Gundersen has spoken of. I got to the bottom of the Arnie Gunderson story, and added the results of that investigation further down the page. He has been put on a pedastal and pumped up enormously by a press that wants a misleading story, all the while he is a despised outcast of the greater engineering community. The explosion at #4 was flatly impossible absent the use of an explosive device, and as a result the disaster at Fukushima is FAR FAR WORSE than ANYTHING Gundersen is willing to say. Gundersen is towing the line and hiding the true magnitude of what happened there because if it became widely known serious questions would be asked. When have you heard Gundersen talk about a totally missing reactor?
Reactor 4's dome was removed for defueling. (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/unit4dome.jpg)Drone photos prove it. This dispels the rumors surrounding unit 4's explosion. Some people have said that this reactor was secretly in operation to enrich plutonium. This photo proves it was disassembled for shroud replacement as stated. Tepco is going out of it's way trying to explain the explosions, especially at reactor 4, because they did indeed occur, so an explanation is needed. As a result, they are giving reasons that cannot happen, just to say something. They need to see this post and get the Arava perspective(Arava is a district surrounding Dimona).


3. That the destruction of the facility is so severe it could only have been accomplished with nuclear weapons. Hydrogen produces a non-ideal subsonic explosion. It cannot turn concrete into dust. It can produce high pressures if sealed off, but the metal roof on all the reactor containments should have provided the relief and been the only thing destroyed. It takes a high intensity explosive to strip concrete off rebar, a blast wave many times faster than supersonic. This means that whatever happened at Fukushima did not have blast characteristics that fit the "official" story. If you missed it in the high resolution photo of the destroyed facility, I took a car that was laying around in the remains and placed it on top of one of the blown away walls at reactor 3, which clearly gives the reference that the walls had support columns at least 15 feet thick. Fukushima was built with the Mark 1 containment design, but beyond Mark 1 standards which was a common upgrade(reference is the included photos, it is obvious). It is true that gas explosions can be very destructive, but only in facilities that were not designed to handle them. Even the basic mark 1 containment was many times beyond capable of withstanding the worst hydrogen blast.


4. That nuclear weapon(s) were placed inside of the reactor containment(s) disguised as security cameras installed under contract this year by Arava based security firm Magna BSP (Arava is a district around Dimona, not a city.) Their "security cameras" weighed over 1,000 pounds and were the size and shape of gun type nuclear weapons. (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/camera.jpg)The reason Magna BSP gave for the odd shape, enormous weight, and giant proportions of their cameras was that they were stereoscopic. They have creatively called them bi-scopic so when you search on google their monstrous cameras are the only thing that comes up (outside of Dj lighting and a gun scope) Try it. Type "Biscopic camera" into google images,(without the quotes) it's a hoot! This helps marketing I guess. The need for such a large stereoscopic camera could be plausible at an airstrip, where the camera would need depth perception out miles, but not indoors where focal lengths are short. Other manufacturers have units appropriate for indoor focal lengths which are only twice the size of ordinary monocular security cameras. Depth perception going out miles could also be accomplished with two separately mounted cameras weighing only a few pounds; the giant thousand pounder is a dead giveaway. Magna does make passive radar systems which require a large body, but the owl could accomplish its claimed function with two small lightweight cameras (5 or so lbs, not tiny) and the processor in a modern laptop. Why this giant thing? note - a not yet produced graphical model is what you see most on Google, the ones produced thus far are ugly boxes.


. . . . . . . . . .9/11, 4/11, 3/11? see a pattern? Let's not see a 6/11. Your time and effort in spreading the word may really make a difference.


Due to the many positive e-mails about getting the truth out, rather than hold back I am going to put the original information back. It follows below.


The quake was not what we were told.


In fact, the quake was a bold faced lie, packing a political agenda. There is even more proof now, and it goes beyond the linked Japanese chart. (http://www.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp/~sakai/113g.htm) This original seismic data is the smoking gun, however, I have something better. I finally suppressed the urge to vomit and analyzed the lies told by the USGS, and from them wrote this sad, sad story about how it really was, not what you will see in the video. Keep in mind that precise top speeds of flying debris cannot be determined with accuracy, but this story will at least be close to the numbers put out by the USGS.
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Full article here (http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html) and simplified version here (http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/05/japan-earthquake-registered-only-667.html).


See, the troubling thing is that most of the damages were cause by the tsunami... not by this so-called 9.0 EQ. See my post here, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22084-Fukushima-Major-act-of-deliberate-war&p=243831&viewfull=1#post243831 where the damages of the 1995, 6.8 Kobe EQ are shown to be compared to the "9.0" Sendai EQ prior to tsunami.


Same thing as happened with the boxing day Sumatra EQ: the damages shown on video clips were caused by the tsunami and palmed off as due to the EQ by the BBC... they inverted video sequences to sell these damages as due to the EQ.


Joe Vialls' opinion on the Sumatra "EQ":




If everything had gone to plan, then Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India would have been in hock to the IMF and World Bank for thirty or more years - time enough to wait for the price of oil to come down again after the lethal fiasco in Iraq. At the same time, if the Indian Government had taken the bait, the deadly Russian-Chinese-Indian-Brazilian coalition would have been dead in the water. Not a bad day's work for a single thermonuclear weapon discreetly removed from the decommissioning process.
Joe Vialls




See the salvaged Joe Vialls' articles on that Sumatra EQ here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_tsunami14.htm

[Lord Sidious]

That Joe Vialls article is very old.
I knew him and he has been dead for a long time.

[dreamer]

Bill, thanks for the clarification, i appreciate it. And no, im not putting Bill on a pedistal, or some Guru status. I am new to alot of this, and appreciate a grounded guidance from people who are more experianced in all this than i. New people to this, ( or at least I ) feel like im trying to find my way through a fog of info, and dont even really know where to start there spiritual journey. And all the mystical talk, for people like me, is kinda white noise. So, just wanted to say thanks for making yourself a little more clear on some of the statements you made earlier Bill.


thats Bill, the human..
Not guru
Not Leader
Just human :)

[Bollinger]

I'm curious, what is your take on the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions of existence?

Many thanks for the post. I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Here's a brief overview while waiting for your clarification. We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

That climb could be called "ascension" - if one is looking for a word.

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

There are some really weird and wonderful dynamics at play here. First of all, it is plain to me at any rate, that a very high proportion of the comments made in response to anything that Bill says now, is tainted with the backdrop of the Charles fiasco. Now mix that with the fact that everything Bill now says seems to be vibrating with the same frequency and amplitude as Inelia. It’s bound to throw up some strange results. How wonderful is that?

I think most of us have been there. You meet someone, you fall in love and then you begin to think like them, talk like them and act like them. You adopt their values and it has been the case that some people even go so far as changing their religion just to suit their partner’s beliefs and customs.

So my dear Avalonians, I don’t think we should be harsh on Bill and this is most assuredly not meant to sound derisory or condescending, but he is currently undergoing a transformation. His every other sentence carries Inelia’s name in it and this should tell you how much credence he puts on her view of the world and that reflects how much in love with her he is. So, be a little more generous in your judgement, if you must judge.

Now for the real business of why we are actually here: truth. So far as I can ascertain, we all study different aspects of “what is out there” and then proceed to form a view point based on what seems to “reinforce” our existing beliefs and inclinations. No one actually knows the whole truth because perhaps it is not possible to know. I would say there is a little bit of the truth in all of us but none of us holds the entire thing.

Everyone has their way of dealing with life and knowledge and I can tell you mine. It is quite clear that when you consider the probability of whether something is true or not, the odds are stacked against it being true because the degree of redundant data is overwhelming. Some of the highest regarded tenets of science itself are now being questioned not merely by the likes of us but the very scientists themselves in some very prominent positions. What does that tell you?

If something is logically inconsistent, I disregard it straight away because it doesn’t even pass the first test. For example, Bill says we have to do “personal work” to regain our abilities. That implies we once had these wonderful abilities and now for some reason we’ve lost them. That is illogical. It goes right back to the idea of fallen angels who for all their clever intellect and mastery, decide one day that they want to do something naughty, like challenge God for the number one spot, and then get banished to lower realms as punishment for their impudence. Why is that illogical? Because we are being told that an angel is clever and stupid at the same time.

So I don’t buy the “fallen from grace” argument however romantic it sounds because at the very least, it fails the test of logic. If we want to go down the route of assuming we once did have these abilities, the proposition that we ourselves decided to have them removed for a while for some higher purpose sounds a little more plausible. The problem is that we don’t know what that higher purpose is.

The other thing I find immensely illogical is this idea of “creating our reality”. If everyone creates their own reality, whose reality am I witnessing? Mine, yours, Bob’s, whose? If you say the whole thing is my reality, that is even worse because it means not only have I created for myself some sort of hell (how stupid is that) but I have also removed all “safety protocols” where I can in fact end up having to come here over and over again until I have atoned for the mistakes of past creations; utterly absurd. That is what I understand from Bill’s statement that “we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more”.

Anyway, (deep sigh), the truth is very illusive and we live in an infinite labyrinth of confusion, contradiction and dust. Most of us wait for our individual passing for some concrete answers but even then, by all accounts, the journey has barely begun.

[Hervé]

That Joe Vialls article is very old.
I knew him and he has been dead for a long time.

And...? (10 characters)

[Lord Sidious]

That Joe Vialls article is very old.
I knew him and he has been dead for a long time.

And...? (10 characters)

I wasn't sure if you realised that or thought it was recent.

[Hervé]

That Joe Vialls article is very old.
I knew him and he has been dead for a long time.

And...? (10 characters)

I wasn't sure if you realised that or thought it was recent.

I didn't think that the age of the article and him removed from the living had anything to do with the relevance of his research and data as a precedent to an orchestrated event that had to keep pumping up the EQ magnitude to match the size of the tsunami.

In any case, thank you for the concern.

[jcocks]

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

I've often felt this way about ascension/rapture and have expressed as much. I'm delighted to hear you say exactly this.....that a conflation of these two principles has taken place to the detriment of the true ascension.....

The thing is, even if there was to be a seemingly sudden "ascention" tomorrow, it would still have been a process that has taken many many years to reach its' culmination, and we would still have taken many years of hard slog to reach that point even if we weren't consciously aware that we were doing the work. Spiritual work does not have to mean sitting in a buddhist temple meditating or devoting your life to your religion. Just by living in our modern world every day, doing your best to be the best you can every day you are doing spiritual work. It doesn't have to be a life of devotion.

The truth of it all is that we don't know what this process entails, or how long we have to go until we have "reached the next level". It's unlikely, however, to take the form of ET landing and taking us off this planet. :)

[the trojan]

I don’t know with certainty what Planet X is, but I’m reasonably sure. We’ve had a number of whistleblowers and good researchers (Henry Deacon, Andy Lloyd, Bob Dean, Jake Simpson, Bill Deagle, and even Charles/Atticus among them) who have said pretty much exactly the same thing.

Charles/Atticus said the solar system was a binary system, but didn’t know any more about it. Henry worked in NOAA for a while, where he heard talk of “the second sun”. Bill Deagle himself has learned much from detailed inside info. All those named cited that it would not be with us for a few years yet.

Hello Bill,
you state that,

Charles/Atticus said the solar system was a binary system, but didn’t know any more about it

I dont get this,
Its like me saying this,

"My big pal Toby said that the solar system was made of custard,but didn't know any more about it."

There has been no proof that Charles /Atticus is knowledgable about anything,and in my example,
Toby makes a statement also,backed with nothing else.
(before anyone asks Toby to produce his credentials,I can vouch for him,ok,He is a good loyal friend of mine.)

Ive never been impressed by namedropping,but I know a lot of folk are.

[jcocks]

Nah, he's your five-year-old son...but he has no reason to lie does he? :)

[<8>]

the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions


My take on this..

We all have our lifelines, if you take a look back of all the things that you have experience in
your life. And ask your self what have i done right and what have i done wrong, And equally
what have people done to you positive and negative.

Then we find an endless diffrente lifelines, one person had an easy lifeline, may have done yoga and meditation most of its life.
This person have a clear mind is calm and enjoys the small things of life.
But have never really struggeld, of cource there have been a heartbreak or two and an older realative might have died
in this person lifeline.

The second person might had a ruf timeline hard place grow up in little love. A spiral of violence to its grown up years.
nevertheless this person find its way to "stillness" after being the littel ball in a pinball game.

Now this two sit together and discuss ascending into higher dimensions.

The first one might think, i want to ascend, i am ready

The other one might think, i just made it, do you really think we are about to leav now?


It might be lack of understanding of the bigger picture, that give us the different answers.

Personally i think there might be an effect of how we live this life, what level of dimension we end up in after we die.

Thanks....:)

[christian]

I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Going from 3d through 4d into 5d. 3d being the 5-sense reality, 4d being the plane where astral projection and OBEs take place and 5d being a plane without dualism, without karma, with instant manifestation, it's obviously a vague description from where 'I' am right now. This refers to information from Melchizedek, Wilcock, Cannon or Kavassilas. We are never completly disconnected from higher dimensions, but our physical body apparently dwells in 3d right now and somehow still ties us to it very much.


We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

That climb could be called "ascension" - if one is looking for a word.

I totally agree, we all come from the source, from the 'highest state of existence', from where all-that-is came, first evolving 'downwards' dimension-wise, to have experiences and consciously 'climb back' to the source, what we seem to be doing right now, resolving karmic issues and taking personal responsibility.


The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application.

From my experience it's a small minority among the 'New Agers', who believe in a scenario, that doesn't involve personal responsibility, those believing in a rapture are usually laughed out of a room pretty fast, especially on Avalon.

Quite on the opposite, most of the time I hear people like you emphasizing the personal work and the focus that is always needed.

Anyways, it seems to me that a gradual process leads to a tipping point, when one experiences a sudden change or shift, so it's both true, like one gradually approaches a summit and then eventually reaches it 'suddenly'.


Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

I surely find many who will confirm the gradual nature of the process, it's getting a bit off-topic, but I want to mention that the Tibetans also entertain the concept of a sudden enlightenment, they call it "cig car gyi ‘jug pa". That would be when isolating oneself from wordly distractions is not necessary, because one suddenly gets to the point of understanding, that requires the absence of worldy disctractions in the first place. One can eliminate the distraction factor by removing things physically or one can just go through the process in mind instantaneously. I guess most people have had an experience, where somebody explained something to them and at one point during the explanation it suddenly dawned on them and they got the whole thing.
There is usually more than one way to get somewhere.


Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

I can hardly see how it is possible to live for some time 10% in 5d, then 20% and so on, shifting into another dimension might happen somewhat suddenly after one has had the practice, courage and discpline and did the hard work to earn it. That means stepping up to the responsibility to give help and support right here right now to the best of one's ability as well gaining a necessary spiritual understanding, which can well be happening beyond or without words, one must be able to let go of the 'lower dimensional traps', that can bind one.

It's important to point out, as you and many others do, that merely focusing on one's own (ego!) ascension is service to self and won't fit the bill, no pun intended.

So again, what is your take on 'ascending' or 'climbing up' into higher planes of existence, is it not possible, that the 'splitting' where some people would be 'left behind' is just a way of describing the ascension into 5d?

Cheers,
Chris

[christian]

something caused our planet to shift 4 inches off its axis

Some say it might be the other way round, the earth straightens herself and this is causing earthquakes.

Still the question of course remains:


WHAT CAUSED THE EARTHQUAKES DURING THE ALLIGNMENTS

[Daft Ada]

Well there seems to be some strong reaction to Bills statements, with people unbelievably calling him some kind of cult leader. That is just so far from the truth it makes me wonder if some people actually listen to what Bill says. It's obvious to me and I just can't understand why it's not obvious to all, that the information Bill presents is a statement of what he has learned from many of the important whistle blowers over many years. Some of them in important positions with insider knowledge. Bill is passing on a wealth of information from all these sources and giving it to you for free. A lifetimes research handed to you on a plate, and all some of you can do is say who do you think you are, and call him a cult leader. if I was Bill I would despair for you lot and probably say bollocks and let you find out for yourselves. Those of you who are saying basically shut up Bill, let us find out for ourselves, what the hell are you doing here? no one is forcing you to be here and to listen to Bill. Go and find out for yourselves.
I prefer to take advantage of the kind hearted and generous gesture from Bill, to have set up this forum so that he can pass on information he has learned from what to him is a full time job researching all this, to us, for nothing is just amazing and all some of you can do is slag him off for it, some of you people think you know it all and constantly sit in judgement of others and make me wonder why the hell you are here at all.
Simples, Bill passes on the information that he has been told by trusted sources and more importantly, more than once and by more than one source, he passes the information to us and it's up to us whether we want to believe it or not. From the bottom of my heart thank you Bill, you achieve what I can't and you do what I am in no condition to do and I for one am listening, and filtering what I want to believe and follow up, you save me one hell of a lot of time on research and enable me to focus instead of wandering around in circles.

[king anthony]

...Anyway, (deep sigh), the truth is very illusive and we live in an infinite labyrinth of confusion, contradiction and dust...

I say, the (one) truth is not very illusive, for by chance and design the uncomplicated has been made complicated. For example, through social conditioning using belief systems such as religions and human arrogance/ego leads to the fact truth cannot be accepted if/when made known. The labyrinth of confusion, contradiction and dust is because the human species has allowed this to be. I say, it is this type of thought alone that will keep the speciesas as it has been - not very logical.

[araucaria]

...people unbelievably calling him some kind of cult leader. ... Some of them in important positions with insider knowledge. Bill is passing on a wealth of information from all these sources and giving it to you for free. A lifetimes research handed to you on a plate, ... Those of you who are saying basically shut up Bill, let us find out for ourselves, what the hell are you doing here? ...
I prefer to take advantage of the kind hearted and generous gesture from Bill, to have set up this forum so that he can pass on information he has learned from what to him is a full time job researching all this, to us, for nothing is just amazing and all some of you can do is slag him off for it, some of you people think you know it all and constantly sit in judgement of others and make me wonder why the hell you are here at all.
...you save me one hell of a lot of time on research ....

Dear Daft Ada,

Your post is somewhat inconsistent. No, as you say, Bill is not a guru, but this means that he saves not a minute of personal research.

His insider sources, as he himself admits, sometimes contradict each other, and only have one or a few pieces of the overall puzzle, so they are not gurus either. We all have our own input to make, however slight.

Bill himself always reminds us not to trust him either, now or ever. We need to remember that. If he says the ship is rising up and I feel it is sinking rapidly, this is all right - he may be in the bows while I'm in the stern. We are both in the same boat, trying to steady it. It's a rough ride and we all need to play our part in order to weather this storm.

As an airline pilot, if your computerized instruments start sending out conflicting info, I imagine you would switch off the autopilot and do your best (I remember that pilot who crash-landed in the Hudson River a while back, saving umpteen lives).

This is only an analogy, you may well find fault with it, but it does seem to sum up our present predicament.

[Daft Ada]

I'm sure there will always be inconsistancy in my posts because I am a human being and I don't claim to be perfect. With regards to the rest, I did end my post saying "I for one am listening, and filtering what I want to believe and follow up" Which I think means I don't take every word Bill says as gospel. Also if I find I don't agree with him I don't feel that is a reason to berate him and slag him off and insult him.

[Cjay]

I'm exhausted after reading this thread. My words are not intended as a criticism and certainly not intended to insult anyone.

Bill made some pretty big statements to open this thread, claiming certain "facts" which are still hotly disputed, depending on who tells the story. Then soon after, Bill told us we should not listen to him but rather we should do our own research. I strongly agree with that last part - we should all do our own research.

In the interim, we witnessed a family quarrel that just goes to show the "return to rationality" is a painful journey for some which in turn makes the journey more painful for most of us. Opinions differ widely and some opinions take on an almost fanatical religious fervor. Some people talk of new-agey concepts as absolute fact and are sometimes condescending to those who don't agree. I ask, can you show me the proof?

Some say ascension is hard work and a long journey while others say it is unavoidable and we don't need to do anything in order to ascend. There seems to be more disagreement than agreement on what ascension is or IF ascension really exists. Show me THREE living people from different cultural or religious backgrounds who have actually ascended and I will ask them, on behalf of all interested people, how they did it, where did they go, what did they see/hear/feel/taste/smell or learn there and where is the proof? I suspect they could not agree.

There is so much talk of ideas that do or do not resonate (resonation is a sympathetic vibration - it is sound bouncing off or within something, like an echo). Of course, we must all raise our vibrational frequency or we will be doomed to stay in a 3D world. Huh? Does vibrating faster correspond with higher intelligence or a higher degree of enlightenment?

Do the people who repeat these concepts understand what they are saying? Do they know that low frequency sound contains more energy than high frequencies? Maybe that's completely irrelevant. Regardless of what they think it means, I happen to LOVE this 3D world despite all the evil scumbags who are hell bent on making it miserable for the rest of us. I would love to stay here in 3D as long as my body is able and as long as it's still fun.

Is there any verifiable PROOF of other dimensions? If so, please show me - I am very curious. I acknowledge that our senses are very limited and there is so much more that exists than we can physically detect. Regardless of whether any higher dimensions really exist or whether that is in itself a clumsy attempt to describe another theoretical concept, let's put more effort into solving the 3D problems on 3D Earth before we leave these 3D bodies. We are the clean-up crew, right?

Some say we shouldn't trust anything NASA tells us because they have been lying to us since they came into existence... and they doctored all the moon photos or so it has often been claimed. Now we should rely on NASA's images to tell us that Comet Elenin is dead?

We have multiple "reliable" sources who have conflicting ideas about whether Comet Elenin is a Comet, an intelligently piloted spacecraft or whatever else it has been claimed to be. We have "witnesses" who claim to have been out to Elenin to have a close look. Where's the proof? I want to see it with my own eyes.

Those various "reliable" sources can't agree on whether Comet Elenin has been destroyed by an energy blast from a planet that was hundreds of millions of miles distant from the comet at the time of the blast... or was that blast a lens flare or reflection or other common telescope anomoly, as claimed by yet another "reliable" source debunking the energy blast claim?

What is Elenin then and is it a danger to Earth? Some say it's breaking up into a "cloud of snowballs". Do you think we would notice if we got hit by a piece of Elenin - say, a snowball one hundred kilometres in diameter? Others say there is "no water detected" in the debris cloud. Well maybe it is not a snowball afterall.

When I learned English (it's the only language I am fluent in), the definition of "Universe" was (loosely), absolutely everything. But now that definition has apparently been hijacked by those damn terrorists (??), changed to a subset of its former self and we have "myriads of parallel universes created in any given moment"? No matter how many new things we discover "out there" or "in here", the Universe will always be "absolutely everything" and all the new stuff we discover will be a subset of the Universe - NOT the other way around.

As far as I'm concerned, those language hijackers can invent a new/different language instead of trying to change the meaning of old words. Now I hear the screams and moans of the younger generation and new agers who think I just don't get it and I am past my use-by date. Oh, I understand alright. I just don't like the language or agree with it.

Someone posted a long list of natural and man-made disasters and some links, as if links make something true. Where I live, we had more hail storms yesterday than the list stated for the whole of this year. In our bushfire season, we frequently have more fires in one day than the list stated for the whole of this year.

Why bother posting those lists and links? They are clearly incomplete and inaccurate... and the lists were made by people who seem obsessed with negativity. They probably got their information from other negatively obsessed mainstream media sources. Where are the lists of all the good things that happened this year?

Regardless of who compiled those lists and why, what does it have to do with the death of Comet Elenin? (no need to answer that). Nice owl, by the way.

Please forgive me if I have mis-quoted comments made in this thread or elsewhere. My point is that we are told so many conflicting stories, theories and wild guesses it is almost impossible to tell bullsh%t from mud. I am just holding up mirrors so you can see the reflections. I know - it is hard to see the mirrors through all the smoke.

The single most important comment made in this whole thread, in my opinion, was made by Bruce Lee (thank you King Anthony for posting that). "It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."

Peace and love to all. Mahal na mahal kita, talaga!

[apokalypse]

i consider any future events for instance activation of DNA in 2012, disclosure in 2013 or earth cycle is possibility may or may not happen. if happen then it the great for mankind and if not happen so be it. i don't wait and live on those theories of event such as going from 3d through 4d into 5d to save us or to change us while doing nothing.

what we must do now is like what bill said climb back out of the hole we've fallen into but as collectively awake other people who fall asleep and aware what's going on.

[the trojan]

I'm exhausted after reading this thread. My words are not intended as a criticism and certainly not intended to insult anyone.

Bill made some pretty big statements to open this thread, claiming certain "facts" which are still hotly disputed, depending on who tells the story. Then soon after, Bill told us we should not listen to him but rather we should do our own research. I strongly agree with that last part - we should all do our own research.

In the interim, we witnessed a family quarrel that just goes to show the "return to rationality" is a painful journey for some which in turn makes the journey more painful for most of us. Opinions differ widely and some opinions take on an almost fanatical religious fervor. Some people talk of new-agey concepts as absolute fact and are sometimes condescending to those who don't agree. I ask, can you show me the proof?

Some say ascension is hard work and a long journey while others say it is unavoidable and we don't need to do anything in order to ascend. There seems to be more disagreement than agreement on what ascension is or IF ascension really exists. Show me THREE living people from different cultural or religious backgrounds who have actually ascended and I will ask them, on behalf of all interested people, how they did it, where did they go, what did they see/hear/feel/taste/smell or learn there and where is the proof? I suspect they could not agree.

There is so much talk of ideas that do or do not resonate (resonation is a sympathetic vibration - it is sound bouncing off or within something, like an echo). Of course, we must all raise our vibrational frequency or we will be doomed to stay in a 3D world. Huh? Does vibrating faster correspond with higher intelligence or a higher degree of enlightenment?

Do the people who repeat these concepts understand what they are saying? Do they know that low frequency sound contains more energy than high frequencies? Maybe that's completely irrelevant. Regardless of what they think it means, I happen to LOVE this 3D world despite all the evil scumbags who are hell bent on making it miserable for the rest of us. I would love to stay here in 3D as long as my body is able and as long as it's still fun.

Is there any verifiable PROOF of other dimensions? If so, please show me - I am very curious. I acknowledge that our senses are very limited and there is so much more that exists than we can physically detect. Regardless of whether any higher dimensions really exist or whether that is in itself a clumsy attempt to describe another theoretical concept, let's put more effort into solving the 3D problems on 3D Earth before we leave these 3D bodies. We are the clean-up crew, right?

Some say we shouldn't trust anything NASA tells us because they have been lying to us since they came into existence... and they doctored all the moon photos or so it has often been claimed. Now we should rely on NASA's images to tell us that Comet Elenin is dead?

We have multiple "reliable" sources who have conflicting ideas about whether Comet Elenin is a Comet, an intelligently piloted spacecraft or whatever else it has been claimed to be. We have "witnesses" who claim to have been out to Elenin to have a close look. Where's the proof? I want to see it with my own eyes.

Those various "reliable" sources can't agree on whether Comet Elenin has been destroyed by an energy blast from a planet that was hundreds of millions of miles distant from the comet at the time of the blast... or was that blast a lens flare or reflection or other common telescope anomoly, as claimed by yet another "reliable" source debunking the energy blast claim?

What is Elenin then and is it a danger to Earth? Some say it's breaking up into a "cloud of snowballs". Do you think we would notice if we got hit by a piece of Elenin - say, a snowball one hundred kilometres in diameter? Others say there is "no water detected" in the debris cloud. Well maybe it is not a snowball afterall.

When I learned English (it's the only language I am fluent in), the definition of "Universe" was (loosely), absolutely everything. But now that definition has apparently been hijacked by those damn terrorists (??), changed to a subset of its former self and we have "myriads of parallel universes created in any given moment"? No matter how many new things we discover "out there" or "in here", the Universe will always be "absolutely everything" and all the new stuff we discover will be a subset of the Universe - NOT the other way around.

As far as I'm concerned, those language hijackers can invent a new/different language instead of trying to change the meaning of old words. Now I hear the screams and moans of the younger generation and new agers who think I just don't get it and I am past my use-by date. Oh, I understand alright. I just don't like the language or agree with it.

Someone posted a long list of natural and man-made disasters and some links, as if links make something true. Where I live, we had more hail storms yesterday than the list stated for the whole of this year. In our bushfire season, we frequently have more fires in one day than the list stated for the whole of this year.

Why bother posting those lists and links? They are clearly incomplete and inaccurate... and the lists were made by people who seem obsessed with negativity. They probably got their information from other negatively obsessed mainstream media sources. Where are the lists of all the good things that happened this year?

Regardless of who compiled those lists and why, what does it have to do with the death of Comet Elenin? (no need to answer that). Nice owl, by the way.

Please forgive me if I have mis-quoted comments made in this thread or elsewhere. My point is that we are told so many conflicting stories, theories and wild guesses it is almost impossible to tell bullsh%t from mud. I am just holding up mirrors so you can see the reflections. I know - it is hard to see the mirrors through all the smoke.

The single most important comment made in this whole thread, in my opinion, was made by Bruce Lee (thank you King Anthony for posting that). "It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."

Peace and love to all. Mahal na mahal kita, talaga!

best thing i have read all week!

[OnyxKnight]

March 15 was when the actual alignment occurred.

And on March 15th an earthquake was registered in Australia, in a region that has overall zero seismic activity.

I wouldn't dismiss "the "comet" >>> earthquake" thing completely. I don't necessarily believe in it either, but I keep an open mind.

[shadowbox]

Well there seems to be some strong reaction to Bills statements, with people unbelievably calling him some kind of cult leader. That is just so far from the truth it makes me wonder if some people actually listen to what Bill says. It's obvious to me and I just can't understand why it's not obvious to all, that the information Bill presents is a statement of what he has learned from many of the important whistle blowers over many years. Some of them in important positions with insider knowledge. Bill is passing on a wealth of information from all these sources and giving it to you for free. A lifetimes research handed to you on a plate, and all some of you can do is say who do you think you are, and call him a cult leader. if I was Bill I would despair for you lot and probably say bollocks and let you find out for yourselves. Those of you who are saying basically shut up Bill, let us find out for ourselves, what the hell are you doing here? no one is forcing you to be here and to listen to Bill. Go and find out for yourselves.
I prefer to take advantage of the kind hearted and generous gesture from Bill, to have set up this forum so that he can pass on information he has learned from what to him is a full time job researching all this, to us, for nothing is just amazing and all some of you can do is slag him off for it, some of you people think you know it all and constantly sit in judgement of others and make me wonder why the hell you are here at all.
Simples, Bill passes on the information that he has been told by trusted sources and more importantly, more than once and by more than one source, he passes the information to us and it's up to us whether we want to believe it or not. From the bottom of my heart thank you Bill, you achieve what I can't and you do what I am in no condition to do and I for one am listening, and filtering what I want to believe and follow up, you save me one hell of a lot of time on research and enable me to focus instead of wandering around in circles.

You've misinterpreted what I meant. Of course I have a deep respect for Bill. But we all know the truth deep down inside us. Bill's knowledge is no better than someone's intuition. All I was saying is that the answers lie within ourselves. We don't need an external source for the insight into the realities of the universe. It helps, but if the power grids were to go out tomorrow none of us would have communication with anyone via the Internet. While it is good to have a forum like this for insight, etc.. It's more important to train ourselves to go inside and find the answers in ourselves.

Give a man food, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.

This forum needs less materialistic information (clutter, food) & more on how to fish & find truths inside (prolonged sustainability).

As forward thinking as many people see themselves on these forums, we are still mostly dealing with just information instead of actual transformation (what matters).

[Elly]

I'm curious, what is your take on the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions of existence?

Many thanks for the post. I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Here's a brief overview while waiting for your clarification. We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

That climb could be called "ascension" - if one is looking for a word.

(...)

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

Almost 10 years ago, I had a ''mystical experience'' of some sort. I accompanied someone to a spiritual group meeting. I was very distrustful and had strong negative opinions about it (basically the idea of ''cult'' was in my mind). My attitude (energy) was very negative, fear based. But I tried to be respectful by following what was going on.

During one of the sessions within the day, I began to feel different. I suspected the water, but then, I had the surprise to be swepted into, what I believe, was a different vibrational state because my mind was not altered and my reasoning was intact. The best way I can recall it, is that every cell of my body awakened and I felt what was like a fresh breeze (through the heart) nourishing every one of them. I found myself feeling, riding the music like a roller coaster, transporting me higher and higher (or lighter and lighter).

Even with that experience, which I now consider as some sort of temporary expansion of awareness, I was still the same person with the same qualities and faults to work on. It brought me a new openness as my heart opened and my fears went away. I realized that there might be something to explore there, new possibilities to consider. I think I had a free ride for a specific purpose.

I believe that to achieve this state on a permanent basis, one needs to clear the fog by himself, clean its own house. Effort and courage is definitely necessary to resolve one's issues. And taking responsibility for what one creates is important. Isn't the saying, ''With great power, comes great responsibility''. I say: ''With great sense of responsibility, comes great power.'' Lessons learned, exploration done.

[joedjemal]

I think 5d is right here and now. I've accessed it a few times for a few seconds. It looks like multiple trails superimposed over one another. I reckon I still have quite a way to go before I can do it at will. It's a state of perception and it is literally 5 dimensional. The 3 spatial dimensions of space plus the dimension of time (a moving object sort of looks like a curving sausage) and the 5th dimension is the parallel universes movement along that dimension is about probability.

Maybe i'm wrong about it but my experiences tell me that that's it. I don't know how you'd access more than a few second of it because even that long is deeply complex to perceive. After 35 years of intense spiritual seeking it's the only thing I've found that looks anything like it. The only way to prove it is to experience it for yourself and that means devoting yourself completely to a spiritual way of life. It's you that changes when you do something, not the world. The magic is in shifting your consciousness to the parallel universe you want to be in. and the closest ones are the most like this one. To anyone in 3d seeing a consciousness arriving from 5d would perceive nothing

[WhiteFeather]

Bill's perspective as well as many here in P.A. I believe is That We are creating this Timeline. What we think, we create. Do we want these events to be Love or Hate, Peace or War. Lets Create Something Wonderful Avie's. I believe we need to reboot our ways of thinking. This song is a security blanket for me. Enjoy!

World-Five For Fighting!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiJG6fW3leQ

[king anthony]

If I may add one final comment to this thread, in brief. If one has question about any topic of any kind one must do thier due diligence and research; research not just one specific topic lest one does not see the whole picture. This also means, not to rely on the same voices of thought lest one continues down another's path.

For example, if one wanted to confirm a modern day event, such as an alleged revolution in one part of the world - one should find out not only the political side of the topic (both past and present), but what was/is going on in the surrounding areas, and around the world. Everything is tied together; "earthly and not".

If one has question about the origins of human beings or comets, then one should seek what the ancients knew, the patterns throughout the ages and what is "now". Religions have bastardized the truths and other belief systems simply exploited truths; however, fragments can be found in these places to "get one started".

Mainstream media, education and science (which includes books and speakers) are tainted. These are the things that many seek - the thoughts of others, for feel good. With humankind's greatest invention, the largest known library ever (the internet) - many have the resources to seek and conclude the (one) truth - rather, it is wasted on perpetuating the deception that everyone is entitled to their own "whatever".

With the above said, all one needs to do is examine what the ancients knew of such "heavenly"/"celestial" events (such as comets) and what is (truly) known now. I say, all that is discussed here is "who said what", "who was right or wrong" and nothing of benefit to the human species. All have the choice to ignore true voice of reason or listen; so be it - for then it is on all either way.

Something is being said without word in the "original post and replies"; missed by the "intellect" of many. I now remain silent in this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more.
A day ago the "fact checker" part of my mind was going to reply to the above comment, Bill, wondering if you mistyped and meant "billions", not "trillions". I have "known" since childhood that the physical Universe was perhaps 10 or 15 billion years old, since the Big Bang.

But instead I spent some more time reading in Paul LaViolette's "Genesis of the Cosmos: The Ancient Science of Continuous Creation" (http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/Book-BBB.html). I am up to chapters 12 and 13 now, where he considers relativity, standard cosmology, and the Big Bang. He dismantles that model brick by brick, pounding it into fine sand. He does not speculate on the actual "age" of the Universe, supposing it to be in continuous creation (note the title) forever. But he mentions in passing details that are at least a half trillion years in the formation.

Your use of the word "trillions" now stands in my view :).

(I am using American naming for large numbers (http://eyeful-tower.com/muse/billion.htm), not British ... not that it actually matters much once you get the "continuous" part firmly planted in your mind.)

[araucaria]

The 15 billion year thing is pretty ridiculous - and not because there are stars older than that - in my house there are things and people much older than the house ;) - But if the Milky Way Galaxy takes up to 250 million years to rotate, it has done under 50 rotations in its entire lifetime so far, which is a highly unastrononmical figure, pretty unlikely I'd have thought.

[Bollinger]

…
My point is that we are told so many conflicting stories, theories and wild guesses it is almost impossible to tell bullsh%t from mud. …


Absolutely correct; cannot argue with that one bit. You reflect my sentiments that truth is hard to pick out because of redundant data (i.e. the abundant white noise that drowns everything including truth). But isn’t that again all down to our own egotistical nature and aren’t we all guilty of it?

There is conflict everywhere: within, without, among people of the same religion, different religion, among scientists, among politicians, among the clergy, among the new age people and even among the distinguished members of this forum.

The above state of being is what gives rise to the “conflicting stories, theories and wild guesses”. If we put forward an idea, we wouldn’t be doing it unless we at least thought there was a modicum of truth in it. But multiply that with the number of people and the number of possible ideas each can have and it soon becomes so foggy that we can’t tell what is truth and what isn’t any more. Even scientists with all their grandiose methods cannot agree upon the nature of reality. They immerse themselves in vastly complex mathematics that only a few can understanding and then you hear some other scientist comes along and produces and even more complex set of ideas that negates the first one. Is there any wonder we’re in this situation?

So where does that leave us? Collectively, I don’t believe we will ever discover the answers to the big questions because it is becoming more and more obvious that the more science answers, the more questions it raises. The answer, if we can call it that, must therefore lie in a personal quest for truth and I really mean personal. Have your mystical experience, have your out of body excursion, do your meditation, pray to your God and be at peace with it, with yourself and with others. If you witness something, no one can be surer of its veracity than you. At this moment, that is what I hold as my position on truth. It is a personal monopoly and unless or until we are afforded an audience with the ultimate truth, we will never really know.

To close then, perhaps Bill or Inelia (whom he trusts) has had this personal audience via some means not open to all of us and the statements he has made are as a direct result of that audience. After all, how can anyone argue with someone who says they’ve visited the super dimensions, asked the questions and heard the answers?

[davyj0nes]

i just wanted to ask about the dinar. are we talking about the iraqi dinar??? because if so, i remember a lot of people purchasing iraqi dinar really cheap; the western powers probably have been able to purchase iraqi oil at a steal. I wonder if western banks would allow a revaluation. I wonder if its easier for china and india to purchase iraqi oil now and a revaluation would make it more difficult, or if the reverse would be true.

*postscript*
comeon disclosure 2013. i'm shooting for valentines day 2013. everyone get your cards, chocolates and flowers ready for E.T. woohoo.

[OnyxKnight]

i just wanted to ask about the dinar. are we talking about the iraqi dinar???

The Balkan dinar/denar too.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm exhausted after reading this thread. My words are not intended as a criticism and certainly not intended to insult anyone.

Bill made some pretty big statements to open this thread, claiming certain "facts" which are still hotly disputed, depending on who tells the story. Then soon after, Bill told us we should not listen to him but rather we should do our own research. I strongly agree with that last part - we should all do our own research.

My remark was semi-tongue in cheek. If I didn't think I could make a useful contribution, I'd not have started the thread. I'm just saying: don't believe anything I write without thinking for yourself.

But do think for yourself.

As Cjay says, we should all do our own research. But remember that research means more than watching YouTube videos which are essentially copies of one another's information.


Some say ascension is hard work and a long journey while others say it is unavoidable and we don't need to do anything in order to ascend.

Anyone who says "it is unavoidable and we don't need to do anything in order to ascend" may be incorrect. (And in for a big disappointment!)


Now we should rely on NASA's images to tell us that Comet Elenin is dead?

Not dead -- broken up. The thread title was rhetorical: also referring to the death of the huge amount of nonsense that's been written about it.

The images don't just come from NASA. They're from amateur astronomers all over the world.

In summary: what we have here (about Elenin) is a belief system that was then taken on board quite uncritically by many.

Having taken that on board, it's natural for some to find it a little hard to let go of it and realize one was fooled.


We have multiple "reliable" sources who have conflicting ideas about whether Comet Elenin is a Comet, an intelligently piloted spacecraft or whatever else it has been claimed to be. We have "witnesses" who claim to have been out to Elenin to have a close look. Where's the proof? I want to see it with my own eyes.

The Godlike Productions poster (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27753-In-The-US-Navy-Space-Command-And-I-Have-Been-To-Elenin&p=283394#post283394) who claimed he'd visited Elenin was a hoaxer. If anyone's interested, I can dissect his testimony (and have done so... there's a document I wrote which I can post). I exchanged views with David Wilcock about it, and he agrees fully.

A "claim" does not constitute a reliable source.

ANYONE can post ANYTHING on Godlike Productions. (That's why we've structured Avalon to be different.)


Those various "reliable" sources can't agree on whether Comet Elenin has been destroyed by an energy blast from a planet that was hundreds of millions of miles distant from the comet at the time of the blast... or was that blast a lens flare or reflection or other common telescope anomoly, as claimed by yet another "reliable" source debunking the energy blast claim?

It broke up... comets do! Elenin was a small (5 km wide) comet.

There's no reason for anyone to be confused about what happened. It was a fairly insignificant comet which broke up as it neared the sun. There was never anything exceptional about it. Those who believe it was anything other than what it actually was were misinformed -- for whatever reason.


What is Elenin then and is it a danger to Earth? Some say it's breaking up into a "cloud of snowballs". Do you think we would notice if we got hit by a piece of Elenin - say, a snowball one hundred kilometres in diameter?

It was only 5 km wide. And the pieces are a long way away (over five times the distance from here to the moon).

Nothing personal here at all, Cjay -- just using your long post to underline some points to assist clarity.

Any small sharp edges in my own writing about this -- which I've tried to edit out -- are remnants of my longstanding irritation about so much that's been written and recorded on the two [unrelated] subjects of Elenin and Ascension. As I've said many times, I intend no offense to anyone.

This may be quite good training for what we might all experience in the next 16 months. Roll on 1 January 2013! :)

All best wishes - Bill

[Bill Ryan]

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more.
A day ago the "fact checker" part of my mind was going to reply to the above comment, Bill, wondering if you mistyped and meant "billions", not "trillions". I have "known" since childhood that the physical Universe was perhaps 10 or 15 billion years old, since the Big Bang.

But instead I spent some more time reading in Paul LaViolette's "Genesis of the Cosmos: The Ancient Science of Continuous Creation" (http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/Book-BBB.html). I am up to chapters 12 and 13 now, where he considers relativity, standard cosmology, and the Big Bang. He dismantles that model brick by brick, pounding it into fine sand. He does not speculate on the actual "age" of the Universe, supposing it to be in continuous creation (note the title) forever. But he mentions in passing details that are at least a half trillion years in the formation.

Your use of the word "trillions" now stands in my view :).

(I am using American naming for large numbers (http://eyeful-tower.com/muse/billion.htm), not British ... not that it actually matters much once you get the "continuous" part firmly planted in your mind.)


Yes, I meant 'trillions'! :)

[aranuk]

As far as I know a Billion is a thousand Million and a Trillion is a thousand Billion in Brillion sorry Britain that is:p

Stan

[Eric J (Viking)]

I'm curious, what is your take on the possibility of ascending into higher dimensions of existence?

Many thanks for the post. I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Here's a brief overview while waiting for your clarification. We are all creators with godlike powers -- or were, a very long time ago. We've all co-created this playground, but have forgotten what we've done. We all exist in an amnesic, fallen state: we've lost almost all of our abilities and perceptive awareness. A few, like Inelia, have retained more than most.

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

That climb could be called "ascension" - if one is looking for a word.

The problem is that in New Age culture, "ascension" has become confused with "rapture" ... some kind of 'beam-me-up-out-of-here-quick' belief system that seems to say that we will all somehow magically regain our abilities and awareness without having to do any personal work. It doesn't operate that way.

There is a 100th Monkey effect in progress which means that the more people who have raised their awareness, the easier it is for others to do the same. But it's still a gradual process, and still takes a huge amount of focus and application. Ask any Buddhist Lama who's been in Tibet for a thousand years.

Anyone who thinks that this expansion of awareness (Inelia's excellent definition) will suddenly be bestowed upon them, without their having earned it - and any spiritual practice takes a lot of courage, hard work, and discipline - is being tricked. There's really no other word for it.

Believers in this magical process will be angry and disappointed when this does not happen as promised. But the good news is that after that - the real work can start.

All best wishes, Bill

Hello everybody ...

Much appreciated Bill for your response on Ascension ... a lot resonates and some not...anyway...

Yes I agree that we have got to clean up the mess...we got us here...so we need to get ourselves out of this hole...my thoughts here on how we got in this mess ... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10351-We-are-the-change

Read this thread for an example of how they control us ... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30186-News-911-...-what-a-show--

Then come back here to Bill's thread>>>>

So this is just a snippet of how the ptb keep us all in check (well the other 90% anyway) ... so with this in mind...they have all the tools,,,what I mean by this is they control all the main TV stations, all the main newspapers,all the main magazines. so looking at the bigger picture they control to a certain extent 90% of the populations thought patterns and what is being fed into the conscoiusness...which is what steers reality towards thier goal!

Soooo how are we going to get to the 100th monkey effect? ... we have no weapons, so to speak ... they have every angle covered Bill ...

I seriously cannot see how we are going to do this unless something really big happens that would tilt the consciousness in our favour>>> it aint gonna happen...

How are we going to do this?

viking

[christian]

how are we going to get to the 100th monkey effect?

While the effect exists, who knows for sure, which one will be the '100th'?

So whatever, don't forsake, just keep on keeping on reaching the 100th, if we get there, great, if not, we at least tried and did something positive one the way :rockon:

[Bill Ryan]

I'll be genuinely delighted to answer the question in great detail -- if you can first tell me what "ascending into higher dimensions of existence" means.

Going from 3d through 4d into 5d. 3d being the 5-sense reality, 4d being the plane where astral projection and OBEs take place and 5d being a plane without dualism, without karma, with instant manifestation, it's obviously a vague description from where 'I' am right now. This refers to information from Melchizedek, Wilcock, Cannon or Kavassilas. We are never completly disconnected from higher dimensions, but our physical body apparently dwells in 3d right now and somehow still ties us to it very much.

Thanks: all I think I can do is expand on my earlier reply: (http://projectavalon.net/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=305903#post305903)

We all already have a 'Higher-Self' counterpart which is in a higher dimension -- i.e. operating outside of this-world spacetime. As we expand our perception and awareness, we can grow to communicate much better with this aspect of ourselves.

Similarly, as we expand our awareness and ability, we can access information from past (and maybe future) events, and communicate with beings in other realities and realms. Some of us can even visit those... rather than merely seeing or communicating into them.

The way to get to do all that is to remove the blocks and barriers. These are native abilities we all have as spiritual beings.

The physical body is not that relevant in this biggest scheme of things[I] -- although it is the extraordinarily faithful and competent vehicle-cum-servant which enables you to function at this level of reality. In other realms, the body is not necessary for you to function as a spiritual being.

(Don't forget totally about the body, though: it has its own experience, personality, emotions, dreams and traumas. In order to optimize your own operation as a human, you also have to optimize the body's function -- and it's especially smart to do so if your body intelligence (which also reincarnates) is an old ally which you return to work with time and again.)

Metaphor: Don't worry about improving your eyesight -- just take off the layers of blindfold.

Or: Don't tune the engine -- merely unstick the brakes.

The reality is a little more complex. As we remove the barriers, we then need to exercise our abilities to become adept with them.

Another metaphor: After throwing away your wheelchair to walk again, you may need some practice and application before you can run, dance, and do gymnastics.

But you do have to get out of the wheelchair first.

As I wrote in my earlier post: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=305903#post305903)

The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.

This takes work, commitment, discipline, application and time.

It is easier the more work others have done before you (c.f. Rupert Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance, popularized as the 100th Monkey phenomenon). That is what's happening now. It's the build-up of a wave of expanding personal awareness that started 50-60 years ago or more.

That wave is definitely 'quickening'. It just makes it easier to do the work you have to do.

But you still have to do the work. You'll not pop out of this realm automatically. There'd be no learning in the game if every time we left a mess behind us, someone else cleaned it up. (Ask any parent!)

[Taurean]

I can't imagine we consciously deactivated the best part of our DNA or our Brain.

[Daft Ada]

Bill, how long would all these exercises etc. take. some of us haven't got much time left to spend on it :-(

[onawah]

Channeled information is not everyone's forte, but I usually find this channeler's information makes a good deal of sense. Here is an excerpt from her latest message, which pertains to this discussion
from: http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=139&z=2

"Now let us put those universal laws into the context of the collective consciousness, where their power is incalculable. Especially in these last stages of Earth’s ascension when the swiftness of change from the old to the new will be upsetting to many, you can raise their vibrations with steadfast thoughts about the world you want for your children and their children and thereby contribute mightily to the light that is ushering in Earth’s Golden Age.

Various “start dates” of that Age have cropped up, each claiming to be the correct one. Earth’s ascension out of deep third density is a unique universal undertaking unprecedented in scope and speed, and there are certain stages along her course that are more propitious than others for energy surges. The parameters of the celestial window between third and fourth densities have flexibility, and the planet’s entry into fourth doesn’t need to be tied to some specific date on your calendar.

Also there are differing opinions about which density you’re in right now, and no wonder. By our numbering densities to indicate advancement, it does sound as if one part of space comes to an abrupt end and at that point another begins, and that isn’t so. There is no finite demarcation between densities—the flowing of energy cannot be sharply divided or compartmentalized. As Earth ascends through the “last” wafting energy streamers of third density, which comingle with the “first” streamers of fourth, you won’t notice a dynamic difference from one day to the next. There will be no ribbon-cutting ceremony, so to say.

The confusion about density is compounded because the word has two definitions. One is mass or the placement of a mass as distinguished from discarnate—without body or form—which is how you think of souls in spirit. You can’t see us even when we are standing beside you because our etheric bodies vibrate at frequencies that third density vision cannot detect, just as you cannot see blades of a fan on its highest setting. But indeed etheric bodies have a degree of mass that lessens in density as souls continue to evolve spiritually.

And that brings us to the other meaning of density, which denotes the status of a soul’s spiritual evolution. Earth’s planetary mass started spiraling from its plane of manifestation in fifth density as negativity amassed in the collective consciousness of her ancient civilizations. The planet’s descent continued in consonance with the inhabitants’ reduced evolutionary status as darkness increased in their thoughts, motives and deeds, and eventually the planet reached deep third density in mass and her population regressed to that density in spiritual status.

However, throughout the millennia that Earth’s body and the collective consciousness of her peoples were mired in that low density, Gaia, Earth’s soul, remained in the much higher energy plane where her planetary body was created. And some souls who incarnated on Earth during those millennia—God’s messengers and some visionary philosophers, scientists and artists—were highly evolved souls spiritually and intellectually.

At this juncture in Earth’s ascension, her planetary body has reached high third density placement in its galaxy. While the bodies of many of her residents also are at that density mass-wise, bodies of persons who have embraced the light are being changed into fourth density at cellular level.

In spiritual evolution, the residents range from second density to seventh, and a few have devolved to first in this lifetime by the darkness of their free will choices and their persistence in consciously refusing the light constantly beamed to them. Almost all lightworkers who incarnated to complete third density karmic experiencing have done that successfully and they have attained fourth density spiritually. Most souls who left their homelands in advanced civilizations to assist Earth’s less evolved souls have retained their fifth, sixth or seventh density spiritual and intellectual evolvement status.

Why is Earth going to stop at fifth density instead of continuing into higher planes? When she reaches fifth, where her planetary body originated, it will be back in balance and contentedly orbit in that space."