The Monks and Nuns are the TRUE REBELS and the HEROES of this world.

[raymond]

We all know how the mass consciousness have been manipulated astrally, spiritually, energetically, etherically by TPTB into the sex-driven, money-driven society whose denizens, regardless of which country you are in, hungers for good food, great mates, properties, houses, cars, drinking, drug abuse, binging.. etc etc.

All these spiritually polluting acts have severely lower the consciousness of the entire planet.

Yet in every country, there exists monks and nuns of every tradition who resist the astrally, spiritually, energetically, etherically implanted desires of the mass consciousness.

Monks and Nuns have relied on great willpower and great faith to resist the temptations and desires of modern society.

Monks and Nuns are the True Rebels of the system. Do you think a true rebel is about getting tattoos, body piercings, rock-and-roll, drugs and harley bikes? Gimme a break, that ain't being rebellious. That is being part of the fad as well.

True Rebels resist the normal everyday drives which a normal person has. As I said before, the normal average person has desires for sex, good food, wealth, fun, luxuries, basically anything that indulge the senses.

Yet for the Monks and Nuns, they spend the whole life, they dedicate their whole life to crushing these pollution of the mind, a pollution caused by the group consciousness of the masses who spend every second indulging the senses.

It is like a person walking right while the crowd walks left. How hard is it to push against the crowd? Is there even a bigger Rebel than a Monk or Nun who pushes himself against the will of the masses?

In the end, it is the Monks and Nuns who are True Heroes of this forsaken planet. They are the ones who have saved the planet from plunging into an age of spiritual chaos.

I am sure of all the people on this planet, the Creator will give the most rewards to the Monks and Nuns when they pass on to the next world and maybe even when they are still living in this world.

The Monks and Nuns should be awarded more status than a greedy billionaire or a useless president.

Monks and Nuns have done more good for this planet than all the billionaires and politicians combined while asking for nothing in return! There are no bigger superheroes than the Monks and Nuns of this world.

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[Lord Sidious]

They also serve a force that is determined to keep us down.
They have, in the past, done things to us that are crimes.
They are not rebels, heroes or anything of the like.
They are people like us.

[raymond]

They also serve a force that is determined to keep us down.
They have, in the past, done things to us that are crimes.
They are not rebels, heroes or anything of the like.
They are people like us.

No one is perfect.

But for every crime or sin which Monks and Nuns committed, I can point to a thousand more atrocities, a million more atrocities committed by people who give in to their desires.

How many wars are started by monks and nuns for eg?
How many murders and other crimes are committed by monks and nuns compared to the masses?

The Catholic Church is not an organization of monks and nuns btw nor are most Christian Churches. There are hardly any Catholic or Christian priest who practices the art of suppressing one's desires anymore.

The Catholic Church is even an economic corporation by itself.

[Lord Sidious]

In the past, the church caused more deaths than you might think, whether to our ancestors in Europe, or the ''primitives'' in South America and other places.

[DeDukshyn]

They also serve a force that is determined to keep us down.
They have, in the past, done things to us that are crimes.
They are not rebels, heroes or anything of the like.
They are people like us.

We've all contributed to both sides .. truth hurts .. it is true ... good thing intention trumps results.

[raymond]

In the past, the church caused more deaths than you might think, whether to our ancestors in Europe, or the ''primitives'' in South America and other places.

I don't consider the priests of the Catholic Church to be true monks and nuns.

An true organization of monks and nuns will shun wealth and property accumulation.

How many priests of the Catholic Church practice meditation for eg?

The basic definition of a monk or nun is someone who shuns wealth, sexual desires, desires for meat, basically anything that indulge the senses. This is why we call them ascetic.

How much power and wealth have the bishops and priests of the Catholic Churches garnered over the last few thousand years? They ain't true monks in the slightest.

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Politicians and billionaires have no right to run or control this world.

The only humans fit to run or control this world are the True Monks and Nuns who shun wealth, desires, especially sexual desires, political power and basically any lowly animal drives which the masses are known to possess.

[astrid]

That clip is a commercial.. am i missing something here??

[Orph]

The only humans fit to run or control this world are the True Monks and Nuns who shun wealth, desires, especially sexual desires, political power and basically any lowly animal drives which the masses are known to possess.Methinks you give way, way too much credit to monks and nuns, and not nearly enough credit to yourself and all the rest of us "common folks". Why would monks and nuns have any desire to run the world, or be labled "heroes"? They are no more heroic than you or I, or anybody else who are presently here on earth trying to find our own spiritual path. And as far as shunning the physical senses, ............ well, poof on that. We are physical beings living in a physical world. I am going to enjoy my physical senses, It's one of the reasons I'm here. It's true I shouldn't overindulge, and over identify my physical self at the expense of neglecting my spiritual side. But as with all things, there has to be balance. I can feel my spiritual self and at the same time feel the blessedness of being able to feel my physical body. To breathe, to run, to play. To feel the power of love, and to sometimes share that powerful feeling with another, in a loving embrace. And when I eat, I try to identify with, and bless the food that I'm about to enjoy. This isn't a perfect world, so some of the food I eat came from pain and suffering. The best I can do is to "reach back in time" so to speak, and give love to that which once was. But eating is still a physical pleasure. And so I love and thank that which I eat. My point is, we are physical beings. Depriving, denying, or shunning our human side isn't "the answer" IMO. Granted, for some people, that's their path. So be it. But it isn't the only path. Nor is it any better or worse than my path. Don't put these people on a pedestal. In fact, don't put anybody on a pedestal. We're all equal here. We're all on our own path. And we have the right to be on our own path without having to follow anybody else. Relax. Enjoy who you are.

[onawah]

I think it's a big mistake to make generalizations about nuns and monks.
I aspired to be a contemplative nun when I was young. I rebelled against my Christian programming, explored mystic Christianity, Hinduism, yoga, Buddhism, Shamanism, etc. etc. extensively to get a better perspective on spirituality and religion vs. spirituality/mysticism. I practiced and meditated with lots of different kinds of groups, lived next door to a Korean Zen Buddhist Master for a year, sat in mediation in his Zendo, and spent a year at a remote mountain Zen Buddhist center. I loved reading about the lives and teachings of the Buddhist and Taoist hermits of ancient times.
I think as individuals today, renunciates vary tremendously as to their motivations, and their lifestyles vary tremendously according to what sort of order they belong to. Some orders can be incredibly hierarchical, stultified, programmed and mechanical. Others can be incredibly self-sacrificing and deeply connected to Spirit. For some, becoming a renunciate can be a cowardly escape from the challenges of living in the world. I've seen a lot of people who rely on their gurus/Masters, whatever, like children attached to their mothers. It seems very immature and antithetical to spiritual growth to me. Not to say that a genuine teacher cannot be a great boon to spiritual practice and development, but it depends on the individual.
Living in the world can involve much more selfless self-sacrifice than a life of renunciation.
A lot depends on how attached to worldly distractions the individual is to begin with.
I think people can advance to a consistent level of samadhi by leading a life of renunciation, only to discover after death during their life review, that they would have grown more spiritually if they had lived a more worldly life,tempered and strengthened by exposure to more worldly distractions and temptations.
On the other hand, those who devote themselves with unreserved love and devotion to the sick, the disadvantaged, etc. do a tremendous service to mankind, as do those who pray and meditate for world peace, etc.
I especially love the order of nuns who go to the sites of the old concentration camps in Europe and send Light and healing to the souls of the victims who died there.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

My point is, we are physical beings. Depriving, denying, or shunning our human side isn't "the answer" IMO. Granted, for some people, that's their path. So be it. But it isn't the only path. Nor is it any better or worse than my path. Don't put these people on a pedestal. In fact, don't put anybody on a pedestal. We're all equal here. We're all on our own path. And we have the right to be on our own path without having to follow anybody else. Relax. Enjoy who you are.



I think people can advance to a consistent level of samadhi by leading a life of renunciation, only to discover after death during their life review, that they would have grown more spiritually if they had lived a more worldly life,tempered and strengthened by exposure to more worldly distractions and temptations.
On the other hand, those who devote themselves with unreserved love and devotion to the sick, the disadvantaged, etc. do a tremendous service to mankind, as do those who pray and meditate for world peace, etc..


Great responses.
Thank you.

A quote by Georeg Orwell comes to mind :-"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

We can have endless discussions and contemplate the nature of humanity, debate about which human being was more "valubale" and who did more for planet earth in raising the consciousness level of human beings, but it definitely won´t serve humanity one iota.
You have to walk the talk.

Why should a nun, buddhist, monk etc. be regarded more highly than the woman who volunteers her time in the old age home down the road?
Or the street sweeper who whistles while he works?
Or the person who rescues animals and takes care of them?
Just saying.

[onawah]

Another thing to keep in mind is that, as we move beyond the limitations of 3D polarity thinking, the whole earth will be seen by humankind as being sacred, and every action and occupation that we engage in that is useful and sustainable to the new paradigm of Oneness will be seen as sacred.
All of Gaia will be revered, not just those sites considered to be more sacred than others.
The real problem with religion is that it is based in good/ evil, 3D polarity thinking.
The idea that we must escape from earthly things into a realm of purity, divorced from physicality, has created all kinds of problems, from guilt and disgust centered around sexuality and the body to degradation of Nature and the environment and a lack of respect for the animal kingdom.
The traditional religious path of removing oneself from the world can be a step in the wrong direction if what one really needs to develop is an acceptance rather than a rejection of all that is, and a willingness to go where life takes us.
A controlled, protected, cloistered environment can serve to cut us off from the very kinds of experiences and life teachers that we need to develop faith, courage and strength.
For some, that kind of environment is actually the worst kind of temptation.