What significance does this phrase have for you?

[spiritguide]

I have a heart felt feeling for the phrase "FREEDOM is just another word for nothing left to loose...". It is from a song in the 60's and has resonated with me since I heard it, then I experienced it spiritually and justified the importance of why it resonated. What does this phrase mean to you?

I hope that others will share their insight into this for the benefit of open discussion.

Lou

[Mark]

When I went through my 'dark night of the soul', coming out the other side I felt exactly this. I remember, sitting on a train going from the States to Canada, looking out the window, having lost everything, with nothing left to go back to. As if anything in the world were possible. I felt so light, so totally open, so totally free. So yes, I resonate. :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

"Nothin' don't me nothin' hon, if it ain't for free"

[Anno]

I see it as talking about how we're controlled by the things and people in our lives. Or rather, the fear of losing them. When do you lose them you realise there was nothing to fear at all. You've lost everything and yet you're still alive and capable of finding something new. Infinite possibility and total freedom.

[spiritguide]

Thank for the input so far... but I do not understand this phrase, could you clarify it?

"Nothin' don't me nothin' hon, if it ain't for free"

Inquiring minds want to know...... Peace!

[Anno]

Thank for the input so far... but I do not understand this phrase, could you clarify it?

"Nothin' don't me nothin' hon, if it ain't for free"

Inquiring minds want to know...... Peace!

It's from a song that the thread title appears in...

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free, now now.
And feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.

Janis Joplin - Me &Bobby McGee

[Carmen]

The opposite to Freedom in this phrase, is attachment. Attachment to things material. Attachment emotionally. Freedom is detachment. No ties to people and no 'stuff' ,material 'stuff' to fuss over. Freedom in the nothingness, which is actually the allness of potentiality. Freedom is the allness of Now.

"Freedom aint worth nothin, but its Free" Great song.I can see her in that truck with Bobby McGee, singing and playing up a storm!!

[Anno]

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Here she be. Kinda fitting for a sunny Sunday morning.

[Ernie Nemeth]

How can you be free if you must pay for stuff. You have to work for those little strips of paper. That requires expenses and more pieces of paper. If you pay for it, it must be protected from others. That costs even more pieces of paper. Soon, those strips of paper is what you are working for. Then the gov taxes your paper and you have to work even harder. Then others figure out ways to part you from yor paper and before you know it you are working full time. Then jobs become scarce because others want to get that paper too. So you make yourself more employable by going to school, which costs more money. And then somebody talks you into buying stuff you do not need but might just covet. Now you take a part time job to cover these added costs. But others have more paper and are willing to hand over more of them for the same item. So maybe you go out and buy a gun and rob for it, or start a special interest group to lobby about the unfairness of the cost. So the government hires more people to handle the lobbies and taxes go higher. And soon one country outbids other countries and one does not get any. So that country buys guns from another country, and tanks and laser guided missiles and nuclear weapons and goes to war. Etc, etc,etc...

[eaglespirit]

Ownership is the fallacy/travesty of the societal propagated world embedded in our psyche.

Letting Go until we are holding but our heart in our hands sets us free to BE what we truly are!

[ulli]

Real freedom comes when you can just find acceptance of the things you CAN'T change.

The monetary system is like the weather.

I think it's best to focus on one's own domain, where one is God, and keep that in good order.

[transiten]

Hmmm, i translated and recorded that song in 1970 and Kris Kristoffersson who wrote the song happened to be in Stockholm and played the guitar along with me.
The record never came out since the rec.company had not got the licences properly.....loooong story....

...anyway the song ends with "and i'd give up all tomorrows for a single yesterday holding Bobby's body close to mine...not much of freedom i think...more like the usual codependency/romantic love theme our western culture nourishes...

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[transiten]

Hello ulli!

I'm an astrologer too, checked out your thread, will participate some day soon, don't know exactly how though...

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[king anthony]

..."FREEDOM is just another word for nothing left to loose...".

...or is it that freedom is another word for everything to gain. If the original statement is by song, then I say, this is a good example of social conditioning.

[ulli]

Hmmm, i translated and recorded that song in 1970 and Kris Kristoffersson who wrote the song happened to be in Stockholm and played the guitar along with me.
The record never came out since the rec.company had not got the licences properly.....loooong story....

...anyway the song ends with "and i'd give up all tomorrows for a single yesterday holding Bobby's body close to mine...not much of freedom i think...more like the usual codependency/romantic love theme our western culture nourishes...

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That romantic love theme is a reflection of something even better,
and therefore could be seen as a stepping stone.

That longing keeps us on our toes, and without it we'd never make a move at all.

I was watching the movie AI last night again, and there the little boy who was a robot, or AI, designed to be the perfect son, and he spent a period of more than 2000 years to just be reunited one more time with his " mummy".
The 2000 years of freedom, coupled with longing, compared miserably to the one day of happiness of unity.

Thank you for this thread...it answered some of the questions I had after watching that movie.

[transiten]

Hmmm, i translated and recorded that song in 1970 and Kris Kristoffersson who wrote the song happened to be in Stockholm and played the guitar along with me.
The record never came out since the rec.company had not got the licences properly.....loooong story....

...anyway the song ends with "and i'd give up all tomorrows for a single yesterday holding Bobby's body close to mine...not much of freedom i think...more like the usual codependency/romantic love theme our western culture nourishes...

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That romantic love theme is a reflection of something even better,
and therefore could be seen as a stepping stone.

That longing keeps us on our toes, and without it we'd never make a move at all.

I was watching the movie AI last night again, and there the little boy who was a robot, or AI, designed to be the perfect son, and he spent a period of more than 2000 years to just be reunited one more time with his " mummy".
The 2000 years of freedom, coupled with longing, compared miserably to the one day of happiness of unity.

Thank you for this thread...it answered some of the questions I had after watching that movie.

Ulli you never know what a romantic person i am, venus t-square libra neptune NN and Libra moon conj neptune, been struggling with codependency all my life, also english not being my 1:st language i didn't quite understand your statement about the 2000 years of longing etc. Anyway, i've been longing for my 2 dysfunctional mothers - now gone to another dimension - all my life and finally made peace with both and my father and i'm still waiting for the prince on the white horse....

Seriously, it's difficult to find a true soulmate where you can have true freedom within healthy boundaries and that goes for all relationships including our relationship to Mother Earth.

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[transiten]

Also the title in Swedish was "Frihet" which means "Freedom" and i ended it with "Freedom means nothing as i remember how wonderful i felt at the time, that was good enough for the two of us" and that was the conclusion of Kris lyrics also, "Feeling good was good enough for me, good enough for me and Bobby McGhee" and for sure that's one kind of freedom, but having no money might not be.

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[Cjay]

The concept of freedom has been used to emotionally confuse and brainwash people for as long as I can remember. "Fighting for freedom" is a term often misused as a justification for war. Our freedoms are gradually being stripped away from us in the name of security - to protect our way of life - to protect our freedom. It is a massive CON-tradiction.

[spiritguide]

Thank you all for the beautiful replies. I liked Janis as a performing artist and that phrase really just hung on in my subconscious. I actually found my material world dissolve away and was left shall we say naked in the field and the realization was upon me that I was an integral part of the universe and my reliance had been directed to materialism when all along the spiritual side of existance with the ONE was really the journey my soul was here for. This is the type of dialog that clears the smoke from the room. :high5:

[transiten]

The concept of freedom has been used to emotionally confuse and brainwash people for as long as I can remember. "Fighting for freedom" is a term often misused as a justification for war. Our freedoms are gradually being stripped away from us in the name of security - to protect our way of life - to protect our freedom. It is a massive CON-tradiction.

Agree! The freedom to choose btw 20 brands of toothpaste and masses of TV-channels.

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[WhiteFeather]

There is no knowledge won without sacrifice, in order to gain anything you must first lose everything.

[araucaria]

Real freedom comes when you can just find acceptance of the things you CAN'T change.

The monetary system is like the weather.

I think it's best to focus on one's own domain, where one is God, and keep that in good order.

Hi Ulli, never tried changing the weather? I've tried a couple of times and although I say it myself, it didn't work too badly.

Valerie V Hunt in Infinite Mind: Science of the Human Vibrations of Consciousness, tells how she used this technique to get her last chance plane to take off out of wherever.

Weather control - we can do it too!

She also suggests a way to ask someone nicely by telepathy to do this or that. One time my neighbour in the train was coughing away and I tried it on him. I know I had a trainload of companions probably thinking the same thing, but it certainly worked.

[Anno]

How can you be free if you must pay for stuff.[...]

Wild Animals are considered Free but still have to hunt their food and avoid becoming something else's food. If they started using Supermarkets would they stop being Free?

Existence in this realm requires an exchange of energy if you want to remain here. How you do that is irrelevant to your own personal freedom. You could work in the most oppressive commercial environment and still be Free if you are in touch with your Spirit and accept the unimportance of such things.

As an aside, Magic people would tell you that by focussing your energy on how much money you don't have you are creating the reality of having no money. Thus giving away your freedom.

[spiritguide]

We came here without Stuff or the need to have it. We were sustained with mother's love.... we were born free through love and it is through love we can always be free....love oneself and love of each other will eliminate greed and it's consequences. Live through the heart ! :baby:

[Star1111]

Resonates with me spritguide.

In that "nothing left to loose" for me means truely not caring what people think of me, if they like me that's great, if they don't, I won't hold it against them because I like ME. Of course I continue to strive to achieve as much enlightenment as I can, develop and learn and all the other good stuff but at the end of the day I'm ME and that's good enough for me. So the word freedom means to me a release ergo nothing left to loose!
Peace & LOVE to you.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Spiritguide:
There is no knowledge won without sacrifice, in order to gain anything you must first lose everything.

Done.

[Gone002]

For me freedom is fighting for your rights and the rights of others, regardless of the personal cost.

[ghostrider]

I don't look at it as win or loose, you don't really have anything. the trinkets or stuff is an illusion, freedom means to me, I can just be. You hear the phrase freedom isn't free, or the price of freedom blah blah. the price of freedom phrase tells you right away something is broken about the whole game.

[wolf_rt]

I think 'Freedom' is probably the worst word in the English language..
It didn't mean much in the first place, and since 2001 it is almost farcical.

Having said that, Me & Bobby McGee, is my favourate song :-)

The line 'freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose'

I dont believe she is talking about material possesions, but the choices which we allow ourselves...

Nothing left to loose...... you are never free to make ALL available choices. Responsibility, guilt, 'love'(another poorly defined word), debt, longing etc. always hold you back... unless you have nothing left to loose...

also i believe the other line is: 'nothing, ain't nothing baby, if it ain't free'

which i take to mean 'anything that can have a monetary value, is actually worthless'

[raregem]

"Freedoms just another word for nothin' left to lose"
For me I found my sense of "Freedom" a few weeks ago. I preface with saying that freedom does have a price as nothing is free at this time, in this realm.
My story- I almost ended up in jail b/c my mother reniged on her word with a co-signed ownership on a home for me.(Details not needed here.) I kept my word but, I refused to allow her into all my personal info which ticked her off to no end. I felt she crossed the line -all my life -with respect towards me and this was the last straw. She would not listen to me or accept what I had to say in this matter - or any matter, as well. I decided I would end this insanity between us and sign over my portion of the house.(Home is paid in full) I felt at peace again. I signed over the house. I still felt peaceful and now I felt FREE. My last connection to family "helping me" was over. ( I am disabled)
But then, she asked me to have coffee and talk with her. I started crying and shaking...I was thinking OMG what more does she want from me.? I had coffee and a chat with her for 3-4 hours. I started by sternly telling her my feelings towards her and why. I brought up traumatic (not dramatic -it was beyond drama) incidences. She said she did not remember them. I could not argue the point if she has no recall. I said to her she had to see from my eyes or we can never have a healthy relationship. I also told her I love her and I would go away if we cannot be respectful to each other. She actually kept her hand on my leg during most of our convo. She very rarely touches me and I usually felt it was forced ..I accepted her hugs in past anyway in the hopes she could relax with being loved without expectation.
She then made an offer that floored me. She asked if I would like to have my inheritance now and the house would be it... So not her to do this type of thing. One never knows do we.?
My "FREEDOM" came from letting go of "things", not fighting anymore, still loving my family regardless of perception. And, in the end, "things" all came back to me with less stress and I have my mothers' effort to respect me now...to see from my eyes. Wheeee and whew! Thx for reading e1. BTW ..glad to be in this forum from Avalon 1. It has been a very long time . Blessed days all. Love- raregem

[Peace of Mind]

Ownership becomes burden; to be truly free is to be free of the weight of the world we unconsciously place on our shoulders. Why? Because true freedom (these days) isn’t free. We have to pay/fight for it. We have to fight against all forms of oppression, fight for the equality of life, fight to not have needs in our life. Whenever we succeed in this…we experience freedom.

Peace