Discouraged, taking a break from the bickering, chastising etc...

[White Rabbit]

Hi all...

I just needed to put this out there as I have been getting more and more discouraged and am finding the beginning threads of annoyance creeping in, so before that picks up momentum and I forego my Avalon Community totally I just wanted to say what is on my mind and then stop visiting for a bit.

I do not set out to offend, the facts speak for themselves... just look on almost any thread now.

Someone puts out information (in this latest case, Bills newest post on Elenin) and the thread moves from a discussion of the information to becoming the rock'em sock'em robot thread that ends up having NOTHING to do with the original post! Any information or insights that someone may post gets drowned in the mire of the ones trying to drown out what someone else may or may not have said, meant or whatever.

Whomever had posted to "take it outside" kudo's to you... keep the threads intact and not used as a platform to see who can puff up the most...

So for now, I will get my community and information elsewhere until I can read and participate without getting someone elses sand in my face.

Much Love all! (I will be back... but for now, nah.)

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

I very rarely come here now for similar reasons. But it may also just (partly) be the movement of life that you're feeling and an urge for something new.

Enjoy wherever you go, though.

[Midnight Rambler]

I agree that the forum is sometime so reactive to drama and have had my doubts if I should stay and also took a long break from the forum.

Now I tend to ignore some of the drama. I don't think its so interesting, so I move on to a thread that is.

With every group of people you have some who you like more and those who you like less. The interesting thing for me is what does it say about me. Why do I like someone and why does someone annoy me.

The Maya have a saying that you may or may not know. When meeting each other they would say: 'Hello part of myself.' That is their way of greeting someone. ;)

[christian]

Someone puts out information (in this latest case, Bills newest post on Elenin) and the thread moves from a discussion of the information to becoming the rock'em sock'em robot thread that ends up having NOTHING to do with the original post! Any information or insights that someone may post gets drowned in the mire of the ones trying to drown out what someone else may or may not have said, meant or whatever.

There is always a certain amount of palaver, we work on eliminating it, everyone starting by checking on oneself first, we'll get there. Kudos to everyone who doesn't participate or take sides in personal arguments, which should be settled privately.

From the lovely Dao De Jing:


The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the Tao.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete,
everybody will respect you.

When was a personal argument ever settled in a thread by one agreeing with the other? It always lasts until one says "whatever, I stop participating" or until one or both are sent on a vacation.

[GCS1103]

Hi, White Rabbit-

I understand how you feel; I felt the same way you do not too long ago. Some topics are just so sensitive to us that we tend to over-react and then it gets personal. I think we have to skip over those threads that create anger or anxiety in us and move on to others that we enjoy. Why leave here if there is even ONE thread that you could learn from or participate in? You may even find, like I have, that a member who you did not particularly agree with on issues may introduce you to something you knew nothing about and look forward to more posts from that person.

We have strong personalities here, in general. It's hard for us sometimes to temper our written words. Probably, if we were all face to face in a conversation, we would be more tactful- that's the negative side of being on a forum. We don't have direct contact with one another. For me, first I look for videos from "The One" to make me laugh. He always posts incredible videos and some are so funny. Then, if all else fails, and I am about to explode, I have my last resort- I get in touch with Lord Sid to rant and rave to. He then calms me down and I am back to the forum once again.;) I hope you stay because all members bring something to the table that we didn't know before we came here.

[Anno]

[...]The Maya have a saying that you may or may not know. When meeting each other they would say: 'Hello part of myself.' That is their way of greeting someone. ;)

That's awesome. =]

[jagman]

"I can calculate the movement of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people"
— Isaac Newton

[Flash]

I agree with the first post. I am posting less and less and my love and light has dimmed down, I am getting impatient sometimes. From inundation of threads from some members, without any resume on the videos presented and the arguments of author that ensued, and the arguments that ensued when one or many ask to stop the flooding, to threads on how one's feel but with very little factual content - understand me, these thread can be good, but when they become a majority of the threads, they drown down the information threads and conspiracy threads. My point is, what is this forum about?

A multiple choice question:

What is this forum about?


Conspiracy theories forum
Feelings shared on diverse topics forum
Ascension forum
Channelled information forum
Information of all kinds forum
All of the above

If all of the above, is there a predominance?
If conspiracy theories or infomation forum, which is the ratio of informations/conspiracy and discussion on the information versus all other kinds that would alllow the forum to have a maximum drive towards its mission? 80% information, 70% information, 10%i information?

[Anno]

What is this forum about?


Conspiracy theories forum
Feelings shared on diverse topics forum
Ascension forum
Channelled information forum
Information of all kinds forum
All of the above


I thought it was a 'Feelings shared on diverse topics forum' which is why I joined but in the six months I've been here I've watched it change to a 'Conspiracy theories forum'. It's a sad thing. There are so many of those already and they suck. I'm wondering how long it will be until most of the threads are about Jews and Reptilian Pedophiles.

I've noticed that when people make unique threads about something personal or interesting you always see the same 10 or so people and then they sink. I don't really care what the topic is, aslong as people are sharing their own opinion and adding new information. It's getting to be a case of repeating repeating repeating.

[Flash]

What is this forum about?


Conspiracy theories forum
Feelings shared on diverse topics forum
Ascension forum
Channelled information forum
Information of all kinds forum
All of the above


I thought it was a 'Feelings shared on diverse topics forum' which is why I joined but in the six months I've been here I've watched it change to a 'Conspiracy theories forum'. It's a sad thing. There are so many of those already and they suck. I'm wondering how long it will be until most of the threads are about Jews and Reptilian Pedophiles.

I've noticed that when people make unique threads about something personal or interesting you always see the same 10 or so people and then they sink. I don't really care what the topic is, aslong as people are sharing their own opinion and adding new information. It's getting to be a case of repeating repeating repeating.

You got it wrong to start with Anno. Many of new members may have gotten it wrong too, so do not take it personnally. If you look at the past of Avalon and before even, Avalon and Project Camelot, it was all, entirely, conspiracy organisations and forums, dedicated to wistleblowers. With a few sharing of personal stuff as well. Just look at the very old threads and posts, or at the archives, you will see. This is why I do not recognize Avalon at all, since Charles/Atticus, the last "wistleblower".

No wonder aims are different for everyone and I am getting impatient. I do not know anylonger what is this forum. If it is sharing, lets share and forget about the rest, but I would like to know if possible.

[WhiteFeather]

I totally agree with you OP, in fact during Bills recent thread yesterday (THE DEATH OF COMET ELENIN) someone posted something in reference to Edward Alexander which did not fit that thread EVEN SLIGHTLY . By my request, the thread was moved by one of the moderators to its proper location very expeditiously i must say. It seems the Mods. need to monitor these posts and take the appropriate action without hesitation. The members responses to the original post need to solidify the thread not liquefy them.

[Maia Gabrial]

Honestly, what was the purpose of telling anybody that you were staying away for awhile, except to gain some sympathy and take a jab before you left? You're not the only one who's feeling the pressures of the times, my friend. We're all being affected, hence the sqabbles. This forum is not saccharin, in other words sickly sweet. Occasionally, heated debates flair up, which is healthy.... I think we're all so sick and tired of all the lies and deceit around us, that we want the truth HERE, even if it means alittle arguing. We want to be heard HERE, regardless of differing opinions. And the fun part is that comments can take any direction; and bring up thoughts and ideas that no one would have thought of, otherwise.... Sometimes, this even inspires another thread.... It's all good, White Rabbit.
Sorry, if the expectations aren't there for you, my friend....

[DNA]

Hi White Rabbit.
I understand that some souls incarnate with very little tolerance for confrontation.
It pains them to participate in it and even to witness it.
I emphathise with your plight and I wish you well on your journeys.

But, there are some souls who are on the other side of the spectrum and not only want a little confrontation but thirst for it and crave it.
All souls are here to learn.
And though a life style of abstainance from confrontation may work for you, it would cause others to wither and rot on the vine so to speak.

I think Avalon does a splendid job of moderating and keeping things here some where in the middle.
I love it here, and I cannot for the life of me think there is a forum out there that provides information, responses from the community and the occasional lively debate in a better fashion.

If you want a forum where little old ladies discuss knitting patterns more power to you.
But, I'll stay where the action is. :)

[DNA]

There is always a certain amount of palaver, we work on eliminating it, everyone starting by checking on oneself first, we'll get there. Kudos to everyone who doesn't participate or take sides in personal arguments, which should be settled privately.

From the lovely Dao De Jing:

The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the Tao.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete,
everybody will respect you.
When was a personal argument ever settled in a thread by one agreeing with the other? It always lasts until one says "whatever, I stop participating" or until one or both are sent on a vacation.

You know, to give White Rabbit's take a little validity, didn't the author of the Tao te Ching, Lao Tzu, didn't he forsake society because he was sickened by mankind? Didn't he go off to live out his days in the wilderness away from "the maddening crowd" so to say?
And now that I think of it, there is a modern day Lao Tzu, Henry David Thourogh, who did the very same thing.
Maybe White Rabbit will be our next great social commenter, living on the fringes of society and communing with nature.
That doesn't sound so bad.



Me personally, I think mankind is inherantly flawed.
I think we all have a particular flaw that is inherit in our incarnation that was chosen before we were born as a sort of modulater of experience.
A lesson.
A perverbial devil on our shoulder if you will. Always there.
Thus when I read the signature some one here has that reads "Be Kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a difficult battle, (plato)" I can think of no truer statement.

[DarMar]

m8 you get discouraged too easy!

all the best

[christian]

You know, to give White Rabbit's take a little validity, didn't the author of the Tao te Ching, Lao Tzu, didn't he forsake society because he was sickened by mankind? Didn't he go off to live out his days in the wilderness away from "the maddening crowd" so to say?

Me personally, I think mankind is inherantly flawed.

The legend is, he went for good and compiled the Dao De Jing on the way to solitude, when a soldier at the boarder asked him, to share his wisdom.

Now this was his way to deal with mankind's madness, he went away, but he also made a great contribution, he didn't just surrender. That's what it's all about. There is a 'flaw', that bears a challenge, face it in whatever way seems appropriate to you, but don't fall short by complaining or resigning.

[pharoah21]

Me and my girlfriend both feel the same way about this place now. It has been taken over by too much conspiracy theories, and the spreading of negative news everywhere. I leave the site feeling worse than when I visit. This isn't right.

Let's remind ourselves that there is NOTHING more important in life than spirituality, yet there seems to be very little spiritual type threads anymore. Something to add to my life instead of take from it. I come to PA very rarely now because of this.

[pamina]

Hi all...

I just needed to put this out there as I have been getting more and more discouraged and am finding the beginning threads of annoyance creeping in, so before that picks up momentum and I forego my Avalon Community totally I just wanted to say what is on my mind and then stop visiting for a bit.

I do not set out to offend, the facts speak for themselves... just look on almost any thread now.

Someone puts out information (in this latest case, Bills newest post on Elenin) and the thread moves from a discussion of the information to becoming the rock'em sock'em robot thread that ends up having NOTHING to do with the original post! Any information or insights that someone may post gets drowned in the mire of the ones trying to drown out what someone else may or may not have said, meant or whatever.

Whomever had posted to "take it outside" kudo's to you... keep the threads intact and not used as a platform to see who can puff up the most...

So for now, I will get my community and information elsewhere until I can read and participate without getting someone elses sand in my face.

Much Love all! (I will be back... but for now, nah.)

That is called hijacking the thread. I post on a couple of JFK assassination boards and that happens regularly. It is unfortunate and can be discouraging. But I think you can see that many here understand where you are at and even feel the same way.

[Lettherebelight]

White Rabbit, I understand where you're coming from. I admire your courage in sharing your feelings of discouragement. I'm sure others here echo similar thoughts in these turbulent times.

We all need to be where we can find our courage now...wherever that takes us.

I have benefitted from your views and I thank you for your posts. I hope that we will hear from you again..as we enter new doors of awareness, the old ones do not shut behind us of their own accord. They only shut if we close them ourselves.

So be well, friend, here's to your inner strength. May it always prevail.

[Tane Mahuta]

It is human conditioning to bicker & chastize each other...

Discern or Discard...

Get over it..

TM

[ponda]

One thing that i have noticed regarding types of negativity manifesting on forums is that it seems to come in waves.Things will be relatively peaceful for a while and then the atmosphere or feeling of the forum will gradually get more say confrontational or argumentative for a time and then quieten down again.Not everyone is effected and some are more than others.Just noticing it might be the way to combat it imho.

cheers

[Fred Steeves]

Seems to me there's plenty of room here to discuss pretty much anything. Personally, I'm kind of done with the conspiracy stuff. I buried myself in it for more than two years, and I've got a pretty good handle on what's going on, generally speaking anyway, and now I want to focus on what can be done about it. That takes you directly in the realms of the spiritual, there's no other answer.

So, I tend not to get involved so much in those threads much any more, but they don't bother me either. I can't recall the last time I clicked to see what's new in the conspiracy section. Just the same, if someone doesn't want to talk spiritual jive, then don't go there. I wasn't around the old Avalon or Camelot, but I would surmise that the reason things are tending more and more spiritual these days is because more people are coming to the conclusion I've recently come to. I'm done following the myriad of endless rabbit holes, atleast all the time. Now it's what are we gonna do about it.

Looking deep into our selves and our personal responsibility is a great place to start, and that's a whole new journey.

As for the politeness thing, of course we should all do our best to be respectful. The way I watch myself is before I click send, I ask myself if I would say this if the person was right there in front of me. That makes it pretty easy.

Cheers,
Fred

[StateOfTheHeart]

Seems to me there's plenty of room here to discuss pretty much anything. Personally, I'm kind of done with the conspiracy stuff. I buried myself in it for more than two years, and I've got a pretty good handle on what's going on, generally speaking anyway, and now I want to focus on what can be done about it. That takes you directly in the realms of the spiritual, there's no other answer.

So, I tend not to get involved so much in those threads much any more, but they don't bother me either. I can't recall the last time I clicked to see what's new in the conspiracy section. Just the same, if someone doesn't want to talk spiritual jive, then don't go there. I wasn't around the old Avalon or Camelot, but I would surmise that the reason things are tending more and more spiritual these days is because more people are coming to the conclusion I've recently come to. I'm done following the myriad of endless rabbit holes, atleast all the time. Now it's what are we gonna do about it.

Looking deep into our selves and our personal responsibility is a great place to start, and that's a whole new journey.

As for the politeness thing, of course we should all do our best to be respectful. The way I watch myself is before I click send, I ask myself if I would say this if the person was right there in front of me. That makes it pretty easy.

Huge thanks for that post right there - I agree with all you've said whole-heartedly. Speaking in generalities, my brief journey sounds almost identical to yours and I think you summed it up beautifully. I hope your sentiments are shared by more at Avalon and that we can move in that direction.

[Daft Ada]

The whole point of a forum is discussion, people get together and state their views, they dissagree and argue and press their points of view. It is the nature of people. If you just want an idealistic cuddly corner where you are all of the same views and can constantly make quotes to eachother from some new age manual, you are in the wrong place. so either get together in the spiritual board or create your own forum and then you won't have to mix with the rabble who want to get to the truth.

[mahalall]

Mindfulness that their is no i in Avalon helps,

although i found myself praying to dog last night instead of God.

[ponda]

I agree somewhat Daft Ada but in my opinion if the exchange of view points are conveyed in an intelligent and non confrontational manner then the result will lean more to the positive side and the chances are that an exchange of info will continue.If people are aggressive and defensive of 'their' perspectives then the whole discussion often breaks down and the truth might get lost in a tit for tat contest.Not everyone is comfortable with terse exchanges.Sometimes a softer approach can yield the biggest dividends.

cheers

[Daft Ada]

I totally agree, but as some of you are probably referring to my little hustle yesterday, ask yourself how you would feel if you apologised to someone and they rejected your apology and called you a liar. I am only human and I have feelings and sometimes as a human being I temporarily lose control, we can't all be perfect.

[ponda]

Yeah fair enough mate.I know what you mean.Sometimes the trick is turning a problem into an opportunity.No one's in the wrong and we are all learning everyday and as you said none of us are perfect.

cheers

[motherlove]

It would appear that here too is a reflection of our society. The healing needs to take place from within as well as from without. Many still seem to be stuck in the transfer of responsibility to the other. Please do take it personally we each have much work to do. Best Wishes.

[White Rabbit]

Hi White Rabbit.
If you want a forum where little old ladies discuss knitting patterns more power to you.
:)

OMG roflmfao!!! ohhhh heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll no! lol (no offense to any little old lady knitters out there... )

But seriously... it got to a point where there was too much negativity surrounding me and draining me... no ones fault, it was what it was... i needed to depart from each negative stream and do so properly to be able to 'recharge' --for lack of a better term...

much love...

[White Rabbit]

Looking deep into our selves and our personal responsibility is a great place to start, and that's a whole new journey.

As for the politeness thing, of course we should all do our best to be respectful. The way I watch myself is before I click send, I ask myself if I would say this if the person was right there in front of me. That makes it pretty easy.

Cheers,
Fred

Fred... you hit it exactly! That is the exact reason I had to post my feelings... the fact that I could not say it face to face and if I could, that is just what I would say.

[White Rabbit]

The whole point of a forum is discussion, people get together and state their views, they dissagree and argue and press their points of view. It is the nature of people. If you just want an idealistic cuddly corner where you are all of the same views and can constantly make quotes to eachother from some new age manual, you are in the wrong place. so either get together in the spiritual board or create your own forum and then you won't have to mix with the rabble who want to get to the truth.

Sorry, but you actually missed my whole point. I am not against lively opinionated discussions and debate... (how else do we grow?) what I am against is attacking the other PERSON, and that does not belong anywhere. Why squash a seed before you see what grows just because it is different?

[Charlie Pecos]

There is a flow to life, all situations are fluid. At the same time, there is a counter flow. These are universal laws. The flow is the primary, the majority while the counter flow is the minority. Because these forces are fluid, they are ever changing. Counter flow will always reach the point that it overtakes the primary flow, and when it does, itself becomes the primary flow. This cyclical pattern, the washing back and forth of the tides that you point out happening here with regards to the quality of the content on the forum is perfectly natural. Your choice is simply what you wish to focus on. There are many threads that I ignore because they do not fit in with what I hold to be self evident. I do not wish to fight them because others are at a different place on their path, and they have as much right to post and learn as I have. FWIW Peace and love to all.

[Buck]

The whole point of a forum is discussion, people get together and state their views, they dissagree and argue and press their points of view. It is the nature of people. If you just want an idealistic cuddly corner where you are all of the same views and can constantly make quotes to eachother from some new age manual, you are in the wrong place. so either get together in the spiritual board or create your own forum and then you won't have to mix with the rabble who want to get to the truth.

and now for a real hijacking, please pardon me, White Rabbit but in the service of your inention to get to something other than just noise and friction ---

not to single you out per se Daft Adda, but with all due respect characterizing the exploration of spirituality as "an idealistic cuddly corner where you are all of the same views and can constantly make quotes to each other from some new age manual" is such a load of ignorant tripe I could not pass by without calling you on it. Your lack of awareness of your own potential is broadcasting loud and clear, my friend. You would be astounded, and I dare say humbled, to know how much is there to be seen of you in that proclamation to those with eyes to see.

For one thing, as Fred S alludes to in his post, without any hint of superiority or separateness, judgement whatsoever, some of us grow tired of the titillation of the conspiracy theories and the dark fascination with power of fear, and some of us have been more or less surprised to discover yet another layer underneath that layer, that utterly upends the entire experience, and with it the entire fantastic pageant of terror and every belief and assumption tied to it.

Someday, Daft Adda, may you be gobstruck by an epiphany of the sort I have been blessed with more than once in this lifetime. Just once was enough to shatter my world-view forever, and after multiple experiences, I can say it is actually more work for me to take your attachment to "serious subjects" seriously. I do, however, respect your attachment in the sense that it is real, and it is having an effect on you. And I do take it seriously, in the sense that I have come to believe we are in a battle of sorts, and we are subject to the terms of engagement on the field of battle, if you will. The serious aspect for me, and perhaps for others here that are of like mind, is that we have come to appreciate that it is our very ignorance of our own potential that is the root of this entire muddle. The PTB would love nothing better than for you to mock spiritual exploration as the stuff of "constantly make quotes to each other from some new age manual". They want you shivering in a dank cinderblock lined hole in the ground, shivering with fear with your tinfoil hat clamped down over your head, pointing your AK47 out into the darkness ready to shoot at anything that moves. That is exactly where they want you. And that is f*n real my friend, as real as it gets. As real as having your face torn off by a team of assassins on the beach in Miami for whistleblowing on your former Air America spooks.

But as compellingly awful as all of this is (and it is), imagine the courage it will take to even dare to imagine that you could be free of it all. And just consider for a moment, that if you really want to be free, of all of this, and you want to really wake up, from all of this, then you will need to be willing to have the courage to listen to the little old ladies with their new age manuals, to the wackos and the foppish hippies, the tree huggers and all the unwashed rabble that stream through the pageant doors to join the spectacle.

Your eyes will deceive, yes, but your heart knows, yes. Just ask Yoda. :)