Are you losing your grip ??

[<8>]

Hi guys...

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us, and maybe spent years on sites like Avalon discussing these subjects.
and even though you know its true, you just feel how you losing your interest.

It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing,
but still one part of you dont care anymore.

Is it possible to end up as a sleeper after years of awakening ??

Can this experience be a phase to lead you in to other paths ??

Or even a negative force who tries to change your mind ??


What do you think ??

[Lord Sidious]

To me, it sounds like you are describing either apathy as in you don't care because you are overloaded, or a sense of powerlessness, in that you feel you can't do anything, so you are losing interest.
That isn't going back to sleep.

[Cjay]

We all get tired and need to recharge our physical/emotional/spiritual batteries. A day in the rainforest usually re-grounds me. Failing that, a nanna-nap ;)

[Licka]

Powerlessness, feel the same way.. just so tired of it all..

[Cjay]

Powerlessness, feel the same way.. just so tired of it all..

This is not a sprint. We all need to build our endurance.

[Heyoka_11]

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us

G'day <8>,

Maybe it's time to forget about how the leaders of the world lie to you. We are all aware of it, but we do not have to focus our attention on it, as that may will lead to a loss of interest, and eventually, burn-out. If you are getting battle weary, give yourself a break for a while. Stop and smell the roses! Sounds corny I know, but it is vital to maintain a balance between the awful truth, and the incredible beauty out there.


Is it possible to end up as a sleeper after years of awakening ??

Yes it is! I have seen others drive themselves to the brink of insanity (and beyond) through obsession with what is wrong in this world. No balance; no thought as to what is right. Be very careful, as if you return to a sleep state, it may well be a hellish one.


Can this experience be a phase to lead you in to other paths ??

Quite possibly, and I have been through this many times. What is vital here is to keep your eyes on the prize. Never stop wanting to attain your goal of illumination/enlightenment, if that is truly your goal. Be willing to take different paths, even if you eventually find yourself having to back up and return to your last "waypoint". If your aim is true, you cannot take a wrong path, as you will be learning every step of the way. If you are striving to be a better soul, ultimately, you cannot, and will not fail!


Or even a negative force who tries to change your mind ??

Without knowing the specific details, it is hard to comment, but I think it unlikely. You are more than likely dealing with the negative force that is resident within yourself. We all have one!

I hope this helps a little.

Best Wishes,

Tony ;)

[Davidallany]

It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing,
but still one part of you dont care anymore.
Charles/Atticus has mentioned the use of highly advanced devices by some with developed strong telepathic abilities. These devices can put people into an uncomfortable states of mind.

Even without any devices those people who develop their telepathic function can send and receive messages telepathically among themselves. I knew a guy who did this routinely with his dad.
I too have experimented with this, and 100% of the time it worked.

Your body lives in you and so does everything experienced by the body, you are a much larger and greater being than what appears.

[ktlight]

Hang on in there, <8>, hold on to what you got!

[christian]

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us, and maybe spent years on sites like Avalon discussing these subjects.
and even though you know its true, you just feel how you losing your interest.

It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing,
but still one part of you dont care anymore.

Researching secret agendas and metaphysical topics is not about reaching a summit, it is the activity of climbing. If I search for a summit, I don't find it, instead, when I become 'bored' by it, I just look out for another thing to do, there's always a possibilty to get involved with something creative.

Feeling like losing grip to me just means 'do something else'. If I want to be succesful with something it's got to flow smoothly. That's not about giving up on something at all, it's about finding an appropriate challenge.

Who always does the same, stays the same, that must be boring.

The other part of you, that 'doesn't care anymore', is your soul, too, I guess. Maybe don't listen too much to the melancholic part, that says 'it's not a good thing to change what you are doing without a final conclusion', final conclusions tend to be evasive :biggrin1:

[Orion.V]

Yes it is overload and it leads to another path. It's a path where we the people must take matters into our own hands. Things can be interesting to discuss but that leaves us all into passive mode. I'm preparing to take a step bit further and become active. We all must part take in the upcoming changes and i am ready to stand for them. I am ready to pass on the active side because i feel it needs to be done. Join organizations, offer resistance, spread the truth.

This entire civilization never in my life resonated with me. Many times i wonder what the heck i am doing on this planet and why i came here. At least we have a chance and potential for some more and Avalon is one of the perfect places that packs good people that have a lot more to offer. I am thankful for what Bill, Kerry and others started, they are the beginning.

[Star1111]

Dear <8> - Life isn't fair or easy and at times its really really hard going. :(

but Heh! We've got each other, we feed each other with energy and LOVE and I know when I'm feeling exhausted by it all I remember all the wonderful posts and comments from my wonderful Avalonian friends. We are together for a reason

Don't give up the fight - have a rest then GO FOR IT again !

You are a warrior :)

[D-Day]

I like rabbit holes, they're deep, dark and mysterious.
You never know what you're gonna find around the next turn.
Could be a snake or a scorpion... could be a golden nugget or a diamond in the rough.
Either way, the allure of the unknown and the desire to find out what's around that next corner keeps me digging.
There are always pitfalls and cave-ins to climb your way out of along the way.
But the trick is to learn how to dust yourself off, get back on your feet, strap your hardhat back on and continue the journey.

[Anchor]

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us, and maybe spent years on sites like Avalon discussing these subjects.
and even though you know its true, you just feel how you losing your interest.

Not personally. My initial reactions and angers have transmuted to something else that motivates me.

Interest does not perfectly describe it. I don't let it attract me any-more, but it is something one cannot ignore and I see people in a state and I try to be a reference point if possible to help them.


It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing, but still one part of you dont care anymore.

Is it possible to end up as a sleeper after years of awakening ??

There is a risk. You would probably need to be doing something else bad to your physical body - like overdoing drugs or some other distractions. I think its pretty hard to put out the light once it starts to shine.


Can this experience be a phase to lead you in to other paths ??

Yes it can. Some of them could be distractions.


Or even a negative force who tries to change your mind ??

It is always possible to be led astray. If you are honest and follow your heart; keep a positive frame of mind, live in the moment, be grateful for the opportunities that that each moment brings, your running the best interference on the nasties you can do.

[ktlight]

<8>, you also HAVE to be your own light, so that others behind can see the path. So, stay strong and resilient.

[Fred Steeves]

What is vital here is to keep your eyes on the prize. Never stop wanting to attain your goal of illumination/enlightenment, if that is truly your goal. Be willing to take different paths, even if you eventually find yourself having to back up and return to your last "waypoint". If your aim is true, you cannot take a wrong path, as you will be learning every step of thew way. If you are striving to be a better soul, ultimately, you cannot, and will not fail!



Hi <8>, Tony is right on the money here. Once that coal of determination is firmly planted in your heart, and it's pure in intent, there is nothing in this universe that can snuff it out, or stop you, nothing. Never forget, the base emotion of the dark side is fear, and their worst nightmare is a person grounded in love, and aware of their power. They can surely give you a lot of hell along the way, but each time they fail you grow stronger, and they grow weaker. It must be absolutely terrifying.

Put your game face on <8>, firmly set your intent, and you can walk right through it. Even when you stray from the path from time to time as we all do, your unbending intent will pull you right back on it, guaranteed. And remember along the way, the more you give, the more you get back.

Cheers,
Fred

[Star1111]

And I would add to that wonderful post Fred. S................... that we should keep laughing in the face of adversity, don't let 'them' take your power. Fred is correct the base emotion of the dark side IS fear. Keep laughing, loving and stand your ground!

[WhiteFeather]

What would you have accomplished by giving up or losing faith in yourself? Whatever you do not complete in this incarnation you might very well have to in your next one. Finish what you've started. And besides, we could use another helping hand here. Get Her Done. Lets push this thing forward together, Heeve......... Ho!

[Billy]

It all has to do with choice and responsibility <8>, firstly, no one said it would be easy to bring your light into the darkness.

You can choose to give up or carry on and shine your light and truth and be the beacon for all to witness by your example.

How boring life would be to give up just to become a zombie/slave to the PTB. That would make them very happy and me very sad. Personaly i find life much more exciting to carry on shining my light wherever i can.

Dont give up, not ever.

A song for you <8>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9adLfqrR0E4&NR=1

note the UFO on stage

[Unified Serenity]

I think the long time seekers and investigators can suffer burn out. It's important to stay connected to life around you and have a good support structure. It's really hard when you are feeling alone, and that's where forums / communities are so important. So, if you are feeling at a loss, look around and see if you have isolated yourself, it's easy to do. Find a hobby again that is outside of truth seeking. For me, it's canoing, wood carving, writing, cooking, and activities with my children and partner.

For those who are fairly new to the seeking, I think another dynamic is at play. I see early awakening on the spiritual level and info level as a pendulum. We absorb so much information and then we have to rest and let it develop. Then the pendulum goes from neutral to what appears to be apathy, but that's the signal inward to kick back into a higher gear, and if we are truly truth seekers, we put out a request either consciously or sub-consciously for more information. The gears get going again, and we gain more information. I have never met a truth seeker who thinks they have gained all there is to know. They keep an open mind, weigh the information and again go back into a silent period to process the information. What we may have disregarded in the past suddenly takes on a different aspect and what we once might have said, "That's just crazy" suddenly rings true based on our growth, understanding, and valid information that we were finally able to read and see with new eyes.

I've felt saddness the past few months, and while I am sure the loss of my mom and dad has certainly played a part, it's been tied to a general feeling of loss. All the souls who have needlessly died to fulfill tptb plans for domination and power. The stolen legacy of beautiful peoples worldwide, and wondering when the lies will stop, when we can breath free again, and get rid of the over lords who have abused the people of the world for millenia, if not longer. In recognizing that saddness and sense of loss, I go back to meditation, high magick, energetics, and clearing my own energy fields to stay connected to the truth of who I really am and why I am here. In doing that I re-center and learn more. I am also more tempered and a little less volitile in my reactions and stay balanced so that I am content no matter what is happening.

[Camilo]

Hi guys...

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us, and maybe spent years on sites like Avalon discussing these subjects.
and even though you know its true, you just feel how you losing your interest.

It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing,
but still one part of you dont care anymore.

Is it possible to end up as a sleeper after years of awakening ??

Can this experience be a phase to lead you in to other paths ??

Or even a negative force who tries to change your mind ??


What do you think ??

One thing you can do, is to place your attention on the light, to make it stronger, and one with you. Remeber, where your attention is, there you are!

[<8>]

Hi guys..


I have to thank you all, i deeply appreciative of your insights & wisdom on this matter. There are so much love here, so i send all my love right back to you.

[crosby]

good morning <8>, just wanted to tell you that you're not alone in this rugged journey. i too have been on the edge of the cliff. the trick is too stay away from the loose gravel and falling off. balance is the key. take time to revitalize your own energetic path. do what feels good for you. whether it's being with family, going to the movies or simply staying away from the forum for a little bit. it really does help. feeling overwhelmed by the awakening and all that goes with it is a natural event. there is no possible way to absorb it all continuously without needing air. keep your basic roots about you.

we are here for you and willing to help you with your struggles. let me know if i can do anything for you. always here to help.
warmest regards, corson

[Star1111]

We all get tired and need to recharge our physical/emotional/spiritual batteries. A day in the rainforest usually re-grounds me. Failing that, a nanna-nap ;)


Nanna-nap....... I LOVE it! :) :) :)

[Star1111]

I'm really feeling your pain - A BIG hug to you Unified Serenity, You are never alone x

[jagman]

http://youtu.be/CJeKS0gNz48

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJeKS0gNz48

Aha! The little green communist I have been looking for!
And he is warning people about us.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Carmody]

Know your astrology...

So you will then know the energetic effects of astrological function and how they create and run you through a life cycle with it's various bits. Bits of effects and situations that you chose to have in this given life.

Register at www.astro.com, and make sure you have your full birth information. like time of birth and place. the town and the exact minute.

At that point you can get a clean and clear understanding of the cycles in the given life and the moments of stress, and the timing of the stress and the shape of the stress, where it comes from what it is -and where it goes to.

It helps if you know these things as it allows you to understand the origins of the stress, and thus makes a CONSIDERABLE amount of difference in your life. It allows you to move to higher things, higher cycles, higher thoughts, higher truths. This, because it allows the lower aspects of the incarnation system to become clear to you.

So no astrology, you will seek.

With astrology you will seek, but at a higher level, as the astrology gave you a point of depth in understanding.... in order to clear that lower level.

That the simple understanding of the aspects of astrology and how they affect you, that such a simple thing could hold such depth of understanding of the self, this is the reward part...that lies waiting for you--if you make the effort.

It's up to you.

What I mean is that many to most of you believe in the idea of UFO's and visitors from other places. The transformation does NOT come until you have that experience for yourself. Until then, it is abstract knowledge and does not affect your transformation.

Same for astrology.

If you leave it abstract, them you receive nothing from it.

If you make the attempt, find your actual birth information (your birth hospital will have these exact records, for a minimal fee).

If you move astrology into your personal 'concrete--real' realm of understanding, you will be able to move past and through the flow of the physical world much easier.

Seriously. Ie, the difference between whining and doing. It really is that simple. Step up to the plate.

Simply observing one's own Astrological pattern (via the daily reports from astro.com that would be available if you did what I ask you to try out) is a simple way to gain concrete evidence of the flow of your life being a concrete dimensional system that flows through time and is not part of the objective/rational scientific universe we are being forced to live in.

And when you gain this in concrete fashion, you gain stable core knowledge that gives you a full step, a hard step, a permanent step ....up the ladder of knowing.

[modwiz]

Know your astrology...

So you will then know the energetic effects of astrological function and how they create and run you through a life cycle with it's various bits. Bits of effects and situations that you chose to have in this given life.

Register at www.astro.com, and make sure you have your full birth information. like time of birth and place. the town and the exact minute.

At that point you can get a clean and clear understanding of the cycles in the given life and the moments of stress, and the timing of the stress and the shape of the stress, where it comes from what it is -and where it goes to.

It helps if you know these things as it allows you to understand the origins of the stress, and thus makes a CONSIDERABLE amount of difference in your life. It allows you to move to higher things, higher cycles, higher thoughts, higher truths. This, because it allows the lower aspects of the incarnation system to become clear to you.

So no astrology, you will seek.

With astrology you will seek, but at a higher level, as the astrology gave you a point of depth in understanding.... in order to clear that lower level.

That the simple understanding of the aspects of astrology and how they affect you, that such a simple thing could hold such depth of understanding of the self, this is the reward part...that lies waiting for you--if you make the effort.

It's up to you.

What I mean is that many to most of you believe in the idea of UFO's and visitors from other places. The transformation does NOT come until you have that experience for yourself. Until then, it is abstract knowledge and does not affect your transformation.

Same for astrology.

If you leave it abstract, them you receive nothing from it.

If you make the attempt, find your actual birth information (your birth hospital will have these exact records, for a minimal fee).

If you move astrology into your personal 'concrete--real' realm of understanding, you will be able to move past and through the flow of the physical world much easier.

Seriously. Ie, the difference between whining and doing. It really is that simple. Step up to the plate.

Simply observing one's own Astrological pattern (via the daily reports from astro.com that would be available if you did what I ask you to try out) is a simple way to gain concrete evidence of the flow of your life being a concrete dimensional system that flows through time and is not part of the objective/rational scientific universe we are being forced to live in.

And when you gain this in concrete fashion, you gain stable core knowledge that gives you a full step, a hard step, a permanent step ....up the ladder of knowing.

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[TargeT]

Thank you for pointing to this site. Now that I am done reading what you have had to say I am going to avail myself of this excellent offering. What a gift.

it seems there are probably many worse sources for information ;)

I'm signing up right now, I knew this was a weakness in my information gathering efforts, now I have a place to start.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Imagine things as you would like them to be ~ and this they will become! It's all about FOCUS ~ don't look down or back at the past. Do not dwell in all the negatives happening around you that you perceive as faulty and dark. Start each day fresh as if it were brand new. It is brand new. Go forward. You know we only have the "present." When we die, we can only lose this ONE present moment ~ all is not lost. We are each multi-dimensional and are living many other lives in those other dimensions, we have just forgotten this due to 3D limitations. Don't accept limitations.

Go beyond and how do you do this? Focus. Imagine things better, a better world. What would this include? Give some thought to it. We are creating in each instant of our lives. All of those moments count and are then manifested in the outer world around us. We are the ones responsible and no one else! When we are open to new ideas, whole new worlds and vistas open.
Each time I eat, I give thanks that the bounty of Heaven and Earth are upon me. Soon this becomes my reality and current belief. Then it manifests around me.

It's all in where you place your focus. Become love. All the rest of the chaff goes away. Our own thoughts simply transform things around us as if by miracle into something wonderful that we each create in this moment in time or out of it. Wherever your focus is....there are you and this is manifested in your life... Think good thoughts, bring good things to your life! Focus.

[Carmody]

Just found this tune a few seconds ago:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV5o8bqK3w


Then the next one came up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WjeWsiujmU

[Warlock]

Hi guys...

You have spent countless hours how the leader of the world lie to us, and maybe spent years on sites like Avalon discussing these subjects.
and even though you know its true, you just feel how you losing your interest.

It's like climbing a cliff in a way, you are tired and losing your grip. And you know in your soul this is not a good thing,
but still one part of you dont care anymore.

Is it possible to end up as a sleeper after years of awakening ??

Can this experience be a phase to lead you in to other paths ??

Or even a negative force who tries to change your mind ??


What do you think ??

The first I heard of the Tri-Lateral Commission was about 1974. I said "who? what?" because that's about all you could say at that time. No books, no internet, no nothing.

Now, look at what we have.

Just the opposite.

Bliderbergers, Committee of 300, Reptilians, Secret Societies, and it goes on and on.........................

Too much information, leading to questions like:
Is it true?
Who or what is the source?
Can they be believed?
Are they really who they claim to be?
Are they credible?
Are they spewing dis-information?
Are they government agents?

Is it any wonder why you feel you are losing your grip?

Here's what I have done. I've narrowed my information sources down to a few people and websites. People I feel I can trust, but who knows?

The outcome will determine whatever real truth there is.

Hope this helps.

Warlock

[Guest]

Dear <8>,

Heyoka_11 is so right experience the beauty for that is the truth.

I have had my day(s) with similar feelings. And some nasty intimidations w/ godzilla.

Which spurred me into more faith in what i was doing.

And I would like to remind myself: everyday is a good day -some days are better then others.

Sometimes I read through the thread "Quote of the Day" and smile :rolleyes:

Nora

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