Is a 'One World Govt' part of our evolutionary process?

[K626]

Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.

That it is a stage mankind has to go through and will infact be beneficial. He went on to say that the legal and legislative systems needed harmonising planet wide and it really is the next step in our evolution.

That development for our species is being held back by factionalisation and conflicting strategies around the planet working against each other and therefore creating waste and confusion and military conflict.

He added that new technologies were being readied to be handed down to the people, but the groundwork must be a single world Govt and a single world currency. That this is a fact, it will happen and it will be good for us. That the use of these technologies must be within the framework of non-use for warfare or to gain advantage on other countries. This can only happen with one body overseeing the world.

Discuss. ;)

[Orion.V]

Yes well the concept sounds good on paper, however will this one body take great moral responsibility for the entire planet ? Will this body work towards the interests, benefits and betterment of the mankind and the planet rather than installing the foundations of a totalitarian strict control system ???

If and when this happens, the people have the power in their hands to divert the course of this action that in fact will help us all. I hope we will succeed. It's up to us.

[onawah]

George Green in his series of books beginning with Handbook for a New Paradigm said that the push for a NWO was not to be feared because eventually it would actually help to set the stage for a One World Government, which he also thought was the necessary predecessor to Earth joining the galactic community of worlds.
You can read the books free online beginning at:
http://www.trufax.org/handbooks/paradigmvol1.html

Many people who know of George Green are not aware that he channeled these books, but that is what he says.
They make a lot of sense, IMHO.

[Mark]

It does make sense. The regionalism and differentiation that typifies nation-state formation and evolution has reached its logical end ... unless we are going to regress back to smaller communities, enclaves and fiefdoms then greater agglomeration and planetary representation would indeed represent a step on the path toward some political form of unity consciousness ... but oh how that very idea grates against the nerves of so many. lol perhaps for good reason IF that government is not truly representative of the world's people and does not share the technology required to alleviate many of the natural and environmental concerns currently pressing.

[TigaHawk]

interesting discussion

I do think that before humans on earth go out into space properly (with everyone knowing about it, not just military/select people) that we need to get our poop sorted out here first.

Imagine if we kept the current system in the year 3000 we'd have found spectacular ways to blow stuff up or get blown up by different factions trying to involve ET's with our domestic disputes. It wouldent work.

A one world government would work, if everyones treated equaly ie everyone on earth has a home, electricity, access to education. Keeping us dumbed down with flouride wont achieve this, nor will having the current consumer financial structure where its all about the money rather than the enviroment/durability/need for an item or withholding technologies such as free energy, trying to create this one world government with war or lies/deciet, or creating it purely so we have more lives to throw away in a war with offworldy things.

It has to be done properly, with truth and good intent, and safeguards that prevent it from ever being manipulated against the people like our governments today

[Star1111]

Like communisim - its a great concept but doesn't really work in reality. Too much greed still around.
If after the shift we do have a new One World Govenrment and its genuine intent is to create world-wide peace and to end suffering I would like to apply for the job of Minister of Peace.
We should also have roles such as Minister of Kindness, Minister of Care...................... wouldn't that be wonderful !

[Orion.V]

Like communisim - its a great concept but doesn't really work in reality. Too much greed still around.

Exactly. Real communism never existed. It was only on paper. I grew up in a system that perhaps wanted to be communism, but like most ended up in a socialism.

A good example of high communism you might perhaps find in Star Trek where humanity functions as a whole unit, works as a betterment of the civilization, progress of mankind and where a monetary system does not exist, meaning everyone makes contribution to the world in order to have equally shared resources.

[Curt]

Or maybe what's required is our evolution to the point that we no longer need 'government' as we currently envision it at all. If everyone could become fully conscious, fully responsible, and fully aware we would no longer see divisions. Empathy would be the order of the day. Cooperation would be the consequence, as would personal and collective sovereignty. Admittedly, we seem a long way off from this ideal, but I like to think it's within the realm of possibility.

[Orion.V]

Or maybe what's required is our evolution to the point that we no longer need 'government' as we currently envision it at all. If everyone could become fully conscious, fully responsible, and fully aware we would no longer see divisions. Empathy would be the order of the day. Cooperation would be the consequence, as would personal and collective sovereignty. Admittedly, we seem a long way off from this ideal, but I like to think it's within the realm of possibility.

100% Agreed.

[Lord Sidious]

The guy is correct, it is a natural progression and will be beneficial in the long run.
However, what if another stalin or pol pot or some genocidal nugget is in charge?
There may not be many people left to get the benefits.
So, it is all depending on the context of who is in charge, their motives and other variables.
The right people, at the right time, for the right reasons will be one of the biggest steps ever taken in this incarnation of life on earth.

[Orion.V]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uW7JHh6wTU

A spark from the future as Gene Roddenberry envisioned ...

[ktlight]

We are all ONE on the inside. When that fact is universally recognised and acknowledged, I trust we will know how to organise the ONEness on the outside, it would just evolve.

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uW7JHh6wTU

A spark from the future as Gene Roddenberry envisioned ...

Make it so.
Nugget.

[Orion.V]

As You wish my Lord. * bows down *

[Taurean]

So we are essentially at Bretton Woods III. - hammering out the details.

[norman]

Speculators always guess what's coming and get in there first with their tentacles all over it. It's not the future unity that bothers me. It's those damn tentacles.

[atlantianferret]

It is eventuality. However getting there via war, manipulation, and fear states this NWO's intentions and is why it is not being welcomed in the least. Nor should it. This is about power and control rather then the betterment of humanity.

I think through education we could have reached it faster, shown better intention, and would give us a better ability to form a good and just organization to help manage the one world.

[kathymarie]

We're not ready for a one-world government right now....we haven't even learned to play well with our own countrymen let alone play well with other countries....at this stage in our evolution I believe the major prize and perk of this would be CONTROL. And for those of you who heed prophecy so closely....does the term "antichrist" ring a bell? Too many people are still to nationalistic in their thinking....a one-world government could only come into being with much bloodshed and coercion....but I suppose that would "cull" the herd, so to speak. It does sound good in theory....and I wish we were at a place individually and collectively that the idea could work....but I don't think the natural evolution of that is any time soon.....but that's not to say the idea may be foisted on us before long.

[PurpleLama]

In my understanding it is a natural stage of human evolution to form the complex of social memory, where we would all be empathetically and telepathically connected together, where we learn to be responsible for ourselves and to everyone as a whole. To me, the one world whatchamacallit is a dim reflection of this, a fake.

Nothing to see here, move along. You won't be a spiritually connected people, you need us to do that for you.

Riiiight.

[Curt]

In my understanding it is a natural stage of human evolution to form the complex of social memory, where we would all be empathetically and telepathically connected together, where we learn to be responsible for ourselves and to everyone as a whole. To me, the one world whatchamacallit is a dim reflection of this, a fake.

Nothing to see here, move along. You won't be a spiritually connected people, you need us to do that for you.

Riiiight.

That's an important distinction. They are offering a Borgian, counterfeit version of a unified humanity, which would be the opposite of true universal sovereignty. It would be mandated or forced cooperation, rather than cooperation as a natural consequence of having achieved empathy and higher understanding. It would mean the total submission and domination of mankind by a faceless universal state. No thanks.

[wisky]

As many people has pointed out, true formal extraterrestrial contact will not happen until a formal representative (one world government) of humanity is established, so one world government sounds a logical deduction.

Yet a few of my serves have been triggered when I saw "new technologies were being readied to be handed down to the people". Who is going to hand down new technologies to humanity? If this gentleman was referring to a scenario that there is one world government together with an old shadow government "overseeing" everything, then I will say "No, thank you.". History will repeat itself, if we didn't learn from it.

I also wonder if the one world government will be efficient enough to facilitate 7 billion individuals on this planet (assuming there is no population reduction happened) without have autonomous states overseeing the need of people in different regions? Then I guess conflicts will always happen (with regards to the current state of consciousness of human beings), but, it is up to us how do we choose to resolve conflict. In this case, one world government is only reduced to a concept that this world government is a representative of humanity in general.

Hayek's book "The Road To Serfdom" had a great impact on my belief. <"What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven." F. Holderlin.> I believe humanity shall be guided to reach utopia step-by-step by raising the understanding and consciousness of human beings, rather than IMPOSING utopia concept that is not quite realistic considering greed is still the main mental driving force of quite a few people on earth.

I truely wish one day we will be there, a one world government, a one world family.

[K626]

interesting discussion

I do think that before humans on earth go out into space properly (with everyone knowing about it, not just military/select people) that we need to get our poop sorted out here first.

Imagine if we kept the current system in the year 3000 we'd have found spectacular ways to blow stuff up or get blown up by different factions trying to involve ET's with our domestic disputes. It wouldent work.

A one world government would work, if everyones treated equaly ie everyone on earth has a home, electricity, access to education. Keeping us dumbed down with flouride wont achieve this, nor will having the current consumer financial structure where its all about the money rather than the enviroment/durability/need for an item or withholding technologies such as free energy, trying to create this one world government with war or lies/deciet, or creating it purely so we have more lives to throw away in a war with offworldy things.

It has to be done properly, with truth and good intent, and safeguards that prevent it from ever being manipulated against the people like our governments today

The movement of electronic money around the planet at the press of a keyboard is the sign that paper money is coming to an end.

Then of course one wonders where our 'credits' will be stored and who will be keeping track of them? Contrary to popular belief the banks are quite keen to keep paper money which gives the ability to mask and move assests within that old system. I imagine with the ability for fraud and the slight of hand which is apparent within the rogue banks under the current system, they will be real unhappy about moving to a totally transparent system.

The access to food or the ability to grow food is slowly becoming as important as money in real terms and the counterweighting credits against food and other raw materials like gold (and infact water is being discussed) will move us to a more realisitic system, rather than some countries or the EU just printing more cash which devalues everything we have (not only our money but our assests).



Peace

K

[K626]

George Green in his series of books beginning with Handbook for a New Paradigm said that the push for a NWO was not to be feared because eventually it would actually help to set the stage for a One World Government, which he also thought was the necessary predecessor to Earth joining the galactic community of worlds.
You can read the books free online beginning at:
http://www.trufax.org/handbooks/paradigmvol1.html

Many people who know of George Green are not aware that he channeled these books, but that is what he says.
They make a lot of sense, IMHO.

I agree with the part of a intensifying chaos a chaos that gives multiple oppurtunities for change and hundreds of tiny reflections of what change means and what it is.

Peace

K

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It does make sense. The regionalism and differentiation that typifies nation-state formation and evolution has reached its logical end ... unless we are going to regress back to smaller communities, enclaves and fiefdoms then greater agglomeration and planetary representation would indeed represent a step on the path toward some political form of unity consciousness ... but oh how that very idea grates against the nerves of so many. lol perhaps for good reason IF that government is not truly representative of the world's people and does not share the technology required to alleviate many of the natural and environmental concerns currently pressing.

One thing he empahasised was the end of religion as we know it.

Peace

K

[WhiteFeather]

Where there is government there is corruption, especially with a one world government. I couldn't even imagine that at all..... We don't need this process of a false corrupt system, we need to live in a holographic society like many of our ancestor races from the stars live. The holographic system I truly believe is the way to a better evolution for humankind. Tear down the barriers... Lets go holographic. No walls no division.

[ulli]

It's all a process. A matter of time.
It is the will of God.
In the 19th century Baha'u'llah wrote these words, and a lot of progress has been made since then.

"The day is approaching when all the peoples of the world will have adopted one universal language and one common script.
When this is achieved, to whatsoever city a man may journey, it shall be as if he were entering his own home.
These things are obligatory and absolutely essential.
That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race.
The Great Being saith: Blessed and happy is he that ariseth to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth."

[aranuk]

There would have to be set in place some way to elect elders who are then trusted to make decisions for the planet and its peoples. Some sort of fail safe implication so that no persons are in that powerful position for too long (say one year) and then they stand down and maybe wait in a queue for re-election or something. Internet elections or something similar. Regional or national councils and all that.

Stan

[ulli]

There would have to be set in place some way to elect elders who are then trusted to make decisions for the planet and its peoples. Some sort of fail safe implication so that no persons are in that powerful position for too long (say one year) and then they stand down and maybe wait in a queue for re-election or something. Internet elections or something similar. Regional or national councils and all that.

Stan

Yes Stan, that's how it will be.
I talked about this before.
The people elect their leaders (nine men and women) for a one-year term.
This is for the local level.
These assembly members convene a first meeting where they then elect a secretary,
a chaiman, a vice chairman, and a treasurer from their midst.
The other members are just members.

The grass roots level people then also elect delegates
the number of which depends on the size of their community,
and these delegates meet at a national convention once a year
where they will then elect the National Assembly.
Also none men and women ...also for a one year term.

All National Assembly members from nearly 200 countries on earth so far
(1800 people approx) vote for the International body.
This is done every five years.
Either by visiting the International Convention, or sending in their ballots by mail.
The model for this is already in place.

Ballots are secret. Everyone is discouraged from talking about who they vote for, so as to avoid conflict.
No campaigning is allowed.

[firstlook]

Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.

That it is a stage mankind has to go through and will infact be beneficial. He went on to say that the legal and legislative systems needed harmonising planet wide and it really is the next step in our evolution.

That development for our species is being held back by factionalisation and conflicting strategies around the planet working against each other and therefore creating waste and confusion and military conflict.

He added that new technologies were being readied to be handed down to the people, but the groundwork must be a single world Govt and a single world currency. That this is a fact, it will happen and it will be good for us. That the use of these technologies must be within the framework of non-use for warfare or to gain advantage on other countries. This can only happen with one body overseeing the world.

Discuss. ;)

I always have felt that whatever technology is placed in society should always benefit sustainability in both health and happiness. Those who work to make this a reality are one world anyways.

TBH all this policy making should be looked at through scientific eyes. Its always about the split between synthetic and natural. One world order is going to be synthetic and another one world order is going to be fighting for nature.

Its never going to be about What order is in charge, but what they do to stay in charge. Real One world people understand that "control" is decided by the connection we have to Earth, its animals and beings, the planet and the stars, and everything in between. That is where the truth shall shine.

In the end, I believe people will always be pushing the boundary on what life means. Its the balance between enjoying the moments you have and thinking of what might make them better for future generations.

Despite having thought of all the possible outcomes, I cant imagine what life would feel like 100-200 years from now.

"One World Order" seems like such a slogan. Maybe some need it and others dont. But we still all interact with each other.

[ulli]

The way democracies are being set up everywhere is to pave the way.
Corruption is still rife, at all levels, unfortunately.
The spiritualization process is so much slower, but will also happen gradually,
as each new generation slips away from their traditional religions, bit by bit.

If you study the Wingmakers pages you will come across explanations
how the existence of the soul will be proven to all humanity by science in this century.

Once a person believes in life after death they are on their way,
although most religions teach eternal life already, their various traditions and dogmas create such a barrier
that the essential element that unites them all is totally lost.

[Vitalux]

Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.

That it is a stage mankind has to go through and will infact be beneficial. . That this is a fact, it will happen and it will be good for us. This can only happen with one body overseeing the world.

Discuss. ;)

I was once told by my government that they put Sodium Fluoride in my drinking water because was good for us http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTl52UGUX9X3Oij8vTpCmkyC2kSBxUmbj_NEqs-Zf1TsMvCCGDAhttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUX7qj_WtaWqQtwYhP1nShhwDdRJi5hKzr36lJEHHjmeCRDAmJPg

I now understand the government doesn't put the rat poison in our water because they are concerned for our health, it is to make us stupid.

I doubt very much that a group of global elite business tycoons want to take over the whole damn world and turn it into a slave planet because they are concerned for our general welfare.

Much like the fluoride in the water, one would have to be stupid to be too trusting of what the government is trying to feed you.

Isn't that very much like convincing a slave that it would spoil him if he was spared from a good whipping ?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpuoDN20VkMAc-2Muzw_U3J-sIYCahkrqYjEzuLuhbSCoPBItK

No thank you, I do not trust your one world government. Historically power corrupts. Who will protect us from the ultimate masters when they possess the technology to be unstoppable?

[K626]

Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.

That it is a stage mankind has to go through and will infact be beneficial. . That this is a fact, it will happen and it will be good for us. This can only happen with one body overseeing the world.

Discuss. ;)

I was once told by my government that they put Sodium Fluoride in my drinking water because was good for us http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTl52UGUX9X3Oij8vTpCmkyC2kSBxUmbj_NEqs-Zf1TsMvCCGDAhttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUX7qj_WtaWqQtwYhP1nShhwDdRJi5hKzr36lJEHHjmeCRDAmJPg

I now understand the government doesn't put the rat poison in our water because they are concerned for our health, it is to make us stupid.

I doubt very much that a group of global elite business tycoons want to take over the whole damn world and turn it into a slave planet because they are concerned for our general welfare.

Much like the fluoride in the water, one would have to be stupid to be too trusting of what the government is trying to feed you.

Isn't that very much like convincing a slave that it would spoil him if he was spared from a good whipping ?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpuoDN20VkMAc-2Muzw_U3J-sIYCahkrqYjEzuLuhbSCoPBItK

No thank you, I do not trust your one world government. Historically power corrupts. Who will protect us from the ultimate masters when they possess the technology to be unstoppable?

It's a slave planet run by global business tycoons right now though. :p

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRK64vmb9QY&feature=player_detailpage

[K626]

We are all ONE on the inside. When that fact is universally recognised and acknowledged, I trust we will know how to organise the ONEness on the outside, it would just evolve.

I tend to agree, these things have their own time and energy. It's clear to me anyway that man is now tired of this system and it needs replacing. That pointless wars and arms spending is a tragedy against all men. We shall see what will come and how it will come. But come it must.

Peace

K

[Laura Elina]

I'm sure we'll get there someday, somehow, humans working together for the betterment of everyone's life. I can't imagine a more powerful force driving the evolution of humanity than the will within to do so for the sake of love for each other, sovereignty, we'd be crazy not to want to work together like that. It doesn't have to be an overnight overhaul, recognizing the possibility of afterlife/ soul, taking another look at country's borders and maybe figuring out that the drawing of lines on Earth and dividing people like that might be kinda silly after all, having people die on daily basis, because they don't have nourishment, when in some places there is an overwhelming amount being thrown away, realizing that things like that don't really make a whole lot of sense...

One world government, I don't know about that, but one world goal/mission would be nice.

[araucaria]

In the words of Jean Cocteau, ‘Puisque ces mystères nous dépassent, feignons d’en être l’organisateur’ – since these mysteries are beyond us, let’s pretend to be organizing them.

Satanism in all its forms is ultimately imitation and no more than that. Every useful idea is distorted in this way. The Common Market, ancestor of the European Union, was devised by right-thinking people as a means of stopping Franco-German wars (there had been 3 of them) by forming a Franco-German alliance. In this it has been eminently successful, although the institution itself may have been infiltrated to no little degree.

Given this all-pervasive strategy that extends to secret societies, the freemasons, the kabbalists..., it is all too easy for people to throw out the baby with the bathwater. It looks like Canada dry, tastes like Canada dry, it is Canada dry.

We can turn this around: It looks like Canada dry, but it’s… contraband whiskey! Down with the prohibition!

To become once more a palatable concept, one-world government implies a whole new approach to government, where vested interests no longer hold sway. Make representative office as attractive as jury service – to me that’s how attractive it is already: it’s the last thing I’d want to do. Meanwhile, politics as we know it will implode when enough electors fail to show up.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This uses the very real concept that we are ONE, however, a world government is not necessary being of ONE mind. It is a government and therefore needs serious limits. It used this idea of the oneness of love, spirit, but there is a serious catch here in this concept. This comes due to the fact that we are all Masters in our own right and should be and can be self-governing. We need to move into Divine Love which has nothing to do with governing, sex, laws, or other 3D constructs.

On a Divine Basis, yes all is One. In this Divine state you cannot distinguish between your neighbor and yourself, your tree outside, a flower, a squirrel and the Earth itself. Love is all there is..... Governments, acting as ONE ~ Never happened successfully up to this date and time. Rather, develop your own instincts and self-governing talents.

Act kindly and do no harm. We each must begin at that point and not give away our power. The wave of the future lies in higher frequency Councils who direct and do not GOVERN. Governing is still 3D and limits us to the max amount possible just because it can do this and can easily take over all things like has happened today in the present time on Earth.

Self-Governing. Divine love. Divine Oneness = LOVE and YES.

One Government = Bong, bong, bong NO ~ not to be endured. We are to stand in our own light and power now as the Masters we are and can become.

Become love and light and harm no being ~ no masters over you needed!

[Nyce555]

I don't think it will happen anytime soon as there is too much hate and negativity circulating in the world, but I am all for having one big happy global family. I hope to live to see this, but I think it is going to take some really horrific tragedies before humankind realizes that it needs to pull together rather than fight each other.

[Maia Gabrial]

Sorry, K626,
Ain't buying this BS. This nonsense is good for our evolution? Not likely....Again, it sounds like people who think THEY know what's good for us. Actually, it's more like a greater domination over humanity.....WTF, the free technologies are being withheld from us until this NWO or NWG crap is in place? As I see it, they're slowly working on getting people to accept their way of thinking. They're trying to wear you down until you do.....This friend of yours is nothing but a shill for TPTW....Ain't buying this highly expensive detriment to our freedom. The cost is OUR FREEDOM. Think about the complete and utter enslavement for a few supposedly free energy technologies; which we should have already been using. What a trade off they're asking for....Accept THEIR ways and THEIR currency. Next it will be THEIR fracking chips.... We can have a One World Fellowship of freedom and compassion without the influence or presence of TPTW .

Think a few technologies and a few extra bucks in your pocket will cure what REALLY ails this world? The corruption and perversions are so deep, my friends. All this benevolent act of releasing a few technologies will do is make you forget how fracking bad the state of our world is in....and nothing will have changed, except that you'll be even more enslaved than ever....

Will there be a guarantee that this New World govt will be better for us? NO. Just like any politician making ALL the promises until they get elected, this will end up the same way.... Haven't we learned anything throughout our history?

[Maia Gabrial]

A good example of high communism you might perhaps find in Star Trek where humanity functions as a whole unit, works as a betterment of the civilization, progress of mankind and where a monetary system does not exist, meaning everyone makes contribution to the world in order to have equally shared resources.

As long as people don't lose their individualism in the process....

[Maia Gabrial]

I also wonder if the one world government will be efficient enough to facilitate 7 billion individuals on this planet (assuming there is no population reduction happened) without have autonomous states overseeing the need of people in different regions?

How quickly people have forgotten the Georgia Guidestones....

[ulli]

That government should be made up of spiritual and responsible people who are willing to serve humanity and their mandate is to maintain our planet and keep it functioning in a harmonious way
which in turn will allow all the peoples of the world the security to get access to whatever they need.

"A just society is a society which gives freedom to all its citizens
and encourages them to achieve their full potential – physical, mental and spiritual.
It needs to be an ethical system that creates a balance between rights and duties
provides security for life and property, democracy, and equal opportunity." John Huddleston

[Maia Gabrial]

Gary,
You hit it on the nose! That's why this NWG will be a horrible thing to happen to humanity. And I say NO THANKS, too!

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg&feature=player_detailpage

[ulli]

I know a lot of people who have been drinking fluorided water all their lives and even over 80 are still super bright.
Many people here reach 90 and 100 years drinking that rat poison water.

My mother-in-law is 82 now and she still goes to work in government house
volunteer honoray job.
Does not need glasses, is never sick, eats whatever they put under her nose.
Drinks water that has fluoride in it, as well as the table salt.
Just saying....

[RedeZra]

it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

[Fred Steeves]

I know a lot of people who have been drinking fluorided water all their lives and even over 80 are still super bright.
Many people here reach 90 and 100 years drinking that rat poison water.

My mother-in-law is 82 now and she still goes to work in government house
volunteer honoray job.
Does not need glasses, is never sick, eats whatever they put under her nose.
Drinks water that has fluoride in it, as well as the table salt.
Just saying....

I've got a running theory on that ulli. If you use just one kind of rat poison or insecticide long enough, eventually they can develope a tolerence to it, and you have to go to a different chemical makeup. It stands to reason that the same would hold true for humans. The way I reckon it, we're much more resiliant than we give ourselves credit for, but of course the cowardly controllers would know and understand this.

This might PARTIALLY explain atleast the myriad of constantly evolving poisons and genetics that we are bombarded with in water, food, air, everything...Well, if I were in their predicament anyway, that's what I'd be doing in this time, throwing everything, including the kitchen sink at us.

Cheers,
Fred

[K626]

In my understanding it is a natural stage of human evolution to form the complex of social memory, where we would all be empathetically and telepathically connected together, where we learn to be responsible for ourselves and to everyone as a whole. To me, the one world whatchamacallit is a dim reflection of this, a fake.

Nothing to see here, move along. You won't be a spiritually connected people, you need us to do that for you.

Riiiight.

That's an important distinction. They are offering a Borgian, counterfeit version of a unified humanity, which would be the opposite of true universal sovereignty. It would be mandated or forced cooperation, rather than cooperation as a natural consequence of having achieved empathy and higher understanding. It would mean the total submission and domination of mankind by a faceless universal state. No thanks.

Think unifying humanity is only a concept, albeit a worthy one...One that I don't think will ever come to pass no matter how big the reach of a supra govt becomes. That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.

Peace

K

[ulli]

I still have a hard time believing some of poison in the water thingies...
speaking just from the practical standpoint for a moment:
children whose dads are PTB members go to school, right?
Private schools, of course.
So these schools have entire independent plumbing systems
which connect them to glacier water?
Just to make sure these kids
don't ever get to drink rat poison water?

Because no matter how much someone want to convince me how evil the ptb are
I don't buy the idea that they would put their offspring in harm's way.

When I came to Avalon I was still really, really on the ptb war path.
George Green told me a story once what happpened to him when he met Ted Kennedy...
too disgusting to share here. So yes, I buy most of the dirt..

but since then have come to a different opinion.
The evil ptb spread false info right in here,
telling us extra wild stories to muddy the waters even further.
So I'm extra careful when someone is 100% cynical.
I just dont believe everything I hear.
All is a mix, the elite as well as the rest.
There are white hats amongst them.
Even the black hats sometimes wear white hats.
There are black hats amongst us who make up the great unwashed, too.
The cleaning up begins with each one on their own.

[K626]

I still have a hard time believing some of poison in the water thingies...
speaking just from the practical standpoint for a moment:
children whose dads are PTB members go to school, right?
Private schools, of course.
So these schools have entire independent plumbing systems
which connect them to glacier water?
Just to make sure these kids
don't ever get to drink rat poison water?

Because no matter how much someone want to convince me how evil the ptb are
I don't buy the idea that they would put their offspring in harm's way.

When I came to Avalon I was still really, really on the ptb war path.
George Green told me a story once what happpened to him when he met Ted Kennedy...
too disgusting to share here. So yes, I buy most of the dirt..

but since then have come to a different opinion.
The evil ptb spread false info right in here,
telling us extra wild stories to muddy the waters even further.
So I'm extra careful when someone is 100% cynical.
I just dont believe everything I hear.
All is a mix, the elite as well as the rest.
There are white hats amongst them.
Even the black hats sometimes wear white hats.
There are black hats amongst us who make up the great unwashed, too.
The cleaning up begins with each one on their own.

Tap water in most parts of the developed world isn't particularly healthy, everybody knows that. But saying it is purposefully designed to harm it ludicrous. Capitalism is based on growth models ie society growing and markets growing - it's the only game in town. No super baddies who are making money from the model are going to be poisoning their own workforce. Think about it. :o

Peace

K

[Martin]

This informant got it wrong in my opinion. More centralization on the scale he is discribing will result in a totalitarian system of some kind. Just have a look at the current Eurpean Union and you can see what a "universal" currency for various very different states alone will accomplish. It just can not work that way. At least not in a manner that I would find to be "good".


Martin

[Maia Gabrial]

That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.


K626,
I think even more to the point would be to get rid of TPTW who manipulate the wars in the first place.... They're the ones setting everything up for wars, even fooling people into believing that they're fighting for God and country.

[Fred Steeves]

No super baddies who are making money from the model are going to be poisoning their own workforce. Think about it. :o



Just don't forget, the ONLY thing money is to them is an instrument of control, nothing more. Something else to bear in mind, the 500,000,000 population standard written on the Georgia Guidestones.

Cheers,
Fred

[K626]

That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.


K626,
I think even more to the point would be to get rid of TPTW who manipulate the wars in the first place.... They're the ones setting everything up for wars, even fooling people into believing that they're fighting for God and country.

In the current paradigm war makes a lot of money and is a useful way of gaining assets like oil and water and other raw materials.

The primary aim of a One world Govt would be firstly to end war.

I take it from your scepticism that you don't believe that and I too am cynical about this as a priority.

After all why wrap up a good money making and population reducing tool?

Ideas?

Peace

K

[K626]

This informant got it wrong in my opinion. More centralization on the scale he is discribing will result in a totalitarian system of some kind. Just have a look at the current Eurpean Union and you can see what a "universal" currency for various very different states alone will accomplish. It just can not work that way. At least not in a manner that I would find to be "good".


Martin

I have issues with the EU like you wouln't believe so I know where you're coming from.

But, how long can we go on like this with each nation just thinking about themselves?

I think that phase is redundant and has bought us to the brink of destruction and a WW3 with any of the super powers envolved would end in a nuclear winter and the end of significant life

on thisplanet for thousands of years.

Their argument is for a world authority to tackle the massive issues we've never really faced before at this level.

The planet is running out of food and water and only huge amounts of co-operation worldwide is going to get us past this phase.

Peace

K

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No super baddies who are making money from the model are going to be poisoning their own workforce. Think about it. :o



Just don't forget, the ONLY thing money is to them is an instrument of control, nothing more. Something else to bear in mind, the 500,000,000 population standard written on the Georgia Guidestones.

Cheers,
Fred

You don't need to control the people only the leaders.

Peace

K

[Martin]

Independant nation states are not the problem. Our monetary system is. The ignorance of the general public overlooking the root of most problems is. Nation states or states are fine.


Martin

[Argos]

This thread presents a compelling topic.

I think the notion of a novus ordo seclorum could in some sense be categorized as a Bait and Switch. Phrases such as 'global unity,' 'peace on earth,' 'justice for all,' and 'world community,' etc., have an allure, not, I think, because global unification is more likely to bring these about, but because people are in general desirous of a better world, of a better future. This makes us easy prey for the wolves. TPTB use the yearning of the people for harmony, safety, education, etc., against them. They dangle an irresistible carrot, and at a time of their choosing, when opposition is no longer possible, they slam shut the steel doors. This is just an observation, just a thought.

Let us, nevertheless, be very wary when it comes to the promises of a better world by means of any form of global governance. History presents a clear lesson that, oftener than not, unity of community achieves little more than the unanimity of the graveyard.

[ThePythonicCow]

Because no matter how much someone want to convince me how evil the ptb are
I don't buy the idea that they would put their offspring in harm's way.

Good points.

My guess is that the fluoride chemicals in our toothpaste, water and what not are mostly motivated by profit, being a way to turn an expensive to dispose toxic industrial waste product into a profit.

Most of the powerful, famous and wealthy, including Presidents of major nations and CEO's of major corporations, are as expendable as you and I. Just as JFK. The few really powerful likely do have their own food and water sources. The rest of us be damned.

I also figure that fluoride does, on a statistical group average basis, dumb us down a bit more. That doesn't preclude your mother-in-law still being sharp as a tack and going strong.

But certainly, in my own experience, when I changed my diet from a "standard American junk food diet" into something with a wide range of healthy nutrients, I got much healthier. This won't show on my medical records (which were and remain pleasantly brief), but it shows in myriad of details in my mind and body, literally from scalp to toenail.

Removing the damn fluoride from my drinking water is just one of the many, many elements of such a good diet.

[ThePythonicCow]

The primary aim of a One world Govt would be firstly to end war.
I'd say "should" be, and might be claimed to be, but not (in the present state of human civilization) "would" be.

Recall The Great War (since renamed World War I) ... the "war to end all wars." Fat lot of good that did.

No doubt a one world government would find plenty of reason for increased "security" forces.

Also don't forget the possible "alien invasion" threat. A one world government faced with a (likely false flag) alien invasion would have the biggest excuse in human history to ramp up military expenditures.

[TigaHawk]

Or maybe what's required is our evolution to the point that we no longer need 'government' as we currently envision it at all. If everyone could become fully conscious, fully responsible, and fully aware we would no longer see divisions. Empathy would be the order of the day. Cooperation would be the consequence, as would personal and collective sovereignty. Admittedly, we seem a long way off from this ideal, but I like to think it's within the realm of possibility.


I fear that that day is a long way off. It's sad to say but some authority structures, such as the police, purely their existance and the fact they may act - is all that is keeping alot of people "inline and behaving as civil human beings".

When we had the floods here in QLD in the middle of the City - would have gotten up to knee hight in some places while most was dry (Depending where parts dipped up/below the brisbane rivers water level) - so it definately wasnt a case where people were desperate, or without clean water/food or access to shelter. People started going around trying to loot/break into stores/areas in the city.

These actions, for the people whom did them, would have been purely for fun and excitement and brownie points in their little social structure of friends.

Imagine the whole world, without any natural disasters or wars, without rules and regulations. It would be like the wild west out there, and the key to living successfull would be knowledge on how to build a castle complete with mote halfway up a mountain.



If the people that run the world wanted us to progress towards a peacefull one world government that betters everyone living on this planet, animals included, they'd need to go back and undo alot of the crap that they've put into place to force us down the road we're on now.


I think the most important thing to do would be to fix up the Parents and Kids situation.

Parents, dont have time for their kids. They're out working like a slave to support their family. Then, if they do have time for their kids, they're told to raise them whilst having both hands tied behind their back (discaplining you're kids so they know from when they can open their mouthes and talk at least some resembalance of what "right" and "wrong" is. IE Wrong to throw a tantrum because you dont want to eat the broccoli thus you'll get the wooden spoon - and right to help someone up if they've just fallen over, or pick stuff up if they've dropped it by accident, etc.

At the moment i feel today's kids are growing up angry and wild, with no guidance. The only influence/teachings they have is the TV, computer, and magazines, thus they're growing up to be excelent spenders, consumers, and pretty much emotional zombies. Tho with the bad bunch , i have noticed alot more kids seem to be able to see thru the haze of poo, and speak out with brilliant logic, straight from the heart against these things, but unfortunately again i feel the bad outweigh th good. But again!!


If we want to eventualy form a one world government, where the government workers would rather take a public flogging than start working for the likes of greed bankers - we need to start with our kids, and how they're raised, what they learn. Then continue on by changing the enviroment they grow up in, to one that does not live off of fear, greed and lies, but to one that thrives off love, truth and harmony.

Oh how i would love to walk down a street and be yelled at or given dirty looks for throwing a used soda can onto the footpath. One day, one day!

[davyj0nes]

what would a one world government look like?
It would have an army, and be able raise taxes. aside from that however it would be interesting to see what the PTB think a world government would look like. I think we already have a global currency, its called the US dollar, but one world government would be far more difficult to attain. There are just far too many people making money for that to happen right now; then you'd have to consider that China, India and other just got their independence and are more than likely not to give it up right away.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The Georgia Guidestones are pure Annanuki BS. Adios! This is not the right question about a One World Government either. It keeps you down in the muck and choosing over a red pill or a purple pill. Heal yourself and you don't need either one of them. Get out of this matrix! It's all about 3D when we are evolving or not ~ into something higher. It's a choice.

Imagine this: A world without debt. A world in which you don't have to slave to make others rich at the expense of your life, your children, your family. Imagine debt being lifted off your shoulders and a new day dawning that is fair and just ~ to all and each and every being who shares Earth with us and not just the few rotten apples who have been in control.

Yes, you can't imagine it ~ I can see this from all the comments. To get out of the matrix takes an ability to IMAGINE something different without all the 3D traps of finance, control, laws. You have simply and completely forgotten who you are ~ my dears ~ you are Masters with amnesia! Imagine a world where all are Masters instead of peons?!! Imagine how you might feel without the burden of debts and this cycle of war, poverty, starvation and digging your way out of darkness each and every day only to wake up and do it over again tomorrow. When will you have enough of it? It's a choice we make each day or not.

Can you do it? Imagine that you have time to pursue your wildest dreams as long as they "harm no being." Imagine creating as you go along each day with new ideas for sharing the wealth. Imagine free energy and much of the burdens as people share the bounty of earth instead of hoard and have this terrible mentality of want, need, and scarcity.

Imagine your way out of this mess and you will have it, my friend. Or sit back and ponder One World Governments and all the other negative thoughts posted as threads on Avalon. And we can continue to do this whole exercise over and over and over again. It's a choice you are making in this moment!

Are you a Master or not? Until you look into your own heart, you can keep believing you are powerless but sooner or later, it will come to you that something different is required now.

[Hervé]

There we go... let see what it is we are reacting to as a problem in order to be goaded toward a global solution... any of you ever taken a good look at "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?" If not, it may be time to do so:



PROTOCOL No. 9
[...]

13. You may say that the GOYIM will rise upon us, arms in hand, if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the West we have against this a manoeuvre of such appalling terror that the very stoutest hearts quail - the undergrounds, metropolitans, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organizations and archives.

[...]

PROTOCOL No. 10
[...]

13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Naturally, the authority of the presidents will then become a target for every possible form of attack, but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of an appeal to the people, for the decision of the people over the heads of their representatives, that is to say, an appeal to that same blind slave of ours - the majority of the mob. Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.

[...]

16. The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation; he will further annul them when we indicate to him the necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures in the government constitutional working, the pretext both for the one and the other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State. (Presidential Decrees such as F.D.R. employed to debase the US dollar and steal the gold and to place the U.S. under a permanent State of Emergency and War against its own citizens?)

[...]

18. The recognition of our despot may also come before the destruction of the constitution; the moment for this recognition will come when the peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence - a matter which we shall arrange for - of their rulers, will clamor: "Away with them and give us one king over all the earth who will unite us and annihilate the causes of disorders - frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts - who will give us peace and quiet which we cannot find under our rulers and representatives."

19. But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people's relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, by the inoculation of diseases, by want, so that the "goyim" see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else.

20. But if we give the nations of the world a breathing space the moment we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive.



War on Terror vs Ben Fulford anyone?

[seehas]

i belive that a one world goverment is nececary to be part of the galatic federation, and i bet that many people on this planet in politics for example have the same insight or know some stuff about this.

its one part of growing up as a species to have a one world goverment that realy represents the humans on that planet, and one day we will have this as humans on planet earth im sure.

at the moment it seems they build up a one world goverment based on control the masses over fear, thats not what the majority of this planet diserves !

so for everybody you do your vote every day... VOTE FOR LOVE ... your votes get counted every day

[Observer11]

Or maybe what's required is our evolution to the point that we no longer need 'government' as we currently envision it at all. If everyone could become fully conscious, fully responsible, and fully aware we would no longer see divisions. Empathy would be the order of the day. Cooperation would be the consequence, as would personal and collective sovereignty. Admittedly, we seem a long way off from this ideal, but I like to think it's within the realm of possibility.

Yep. I agree. I think what we'll see are gradual steps toward this as we as individuals change internally (as above so below). Although i am thiking that the revelations of information that are soon to pass will give humanity somewhat of a quantum leap or boost, if you will in change.

[Observer11]

Yes, I also see this as inevitable. Just as our knowledge and use of new technology can be used for destructive or constructive - so can the new governments to come. It all depends on our collective and what we create our futures to be.

[Omni connexae!]

Might get some stick for this, ohwell, I'm just probing the idea.

Mostly, people are emotional and irrational. Provide good reasoning for what we ought to do, and many will still find irrational reasons to throw it back in your face.

Is there a point where they felt it's necessary, because of this, to say, 'F*** it', and just get on with it? and is that point justifiable?

It's just, I find it hard to accept that 'TPTB' are beyond the point where we can still apply 'empathy', or atleast, you know, actually understand the situation at hand?

[mosquito]

An interesting thread, and certainly a very interesting topic. It's not as easy as we'd like to think, is it ?
Government is a topic I've pondered long and hard for many a year, and I'm no nearer having an answer. I'll say a couple of things now :
Let's look at those who are trying to implement a world government - are they really people we'd trust ? Aren't they just trying to give us a global version of their national dictatorships ?
Money - In my travels, I've seen exactly what capitalism is all about, its' modus operandi is to create economic need and poverty. Unless we have a situation where an hour of a New York lawyer's time is equal to an hour of a Guatemalan farmer's time, there isn't going to be any social justice, and there will be no hope of a peaceful, fair government.
Elections - What evidence do we have that supports the idea that elected governments are more benevolent than unelected ? A look at the USA and UK might tell us that maybe the system doesn't work.
I'd prefer a system where the elders EARN their right to be elders, and they do the job out of duty, not as part of their career path.
"Peace" - let's be careful, Bush and co. use this use in order to sell us their policies. Peace at the price of freedom isn't acceptable to me. Is peace actually possible ? There will always be conflict - within families, within communities, within wider communities. We need to evolve to a far higher state than we're in now, or for the foreseeable future, before real peace, with freedom and mutual respect, becomes possible.
I still cringe at the very idea of government, I wish to be sovereign in my own life, I neither want nor need anyone telling me what to do. However, this is a very egocentric position, and I recognise that if I'm to live in harmony with others, rules and agreements are actually necessary, just not intrusive ones.
Just my initial thoughts, I may be back !!!
(Sh1t - can you imagine having Tony Blair as world president - beam me up Scottie - pleaaaaaaaaaaaase !!!)

[Lord Sidious]

I don't think it will happen anytime soon as there is too much hate and negativity circulating in the world, but I am all for having one big happy global family. I hope to live to see this, but I think it is going to take some really horrific tragedies before humankind realizes that it needs to pull together rather than fight each other.

A lot of the hate is artificial.
If the causes are stopped/removed, then the hate will cease too, just like turning the tap stops the water flowing.
Most of it is to justify wars and resource theft.


Gary,
You hit it on the nose! That's why this NWG will be a horrible thing to happen to humanity. And I say NO THANKS, too!

Be careful of what you ask for, you might just get it.
Once we sort out our internal corruption, then the external will be fixed too.
After that, then the world government will not be like what we have experienced so far.


it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

Doesn't your new testament tell us that jesus will be king of this earth?
How many governments will there be then?
And do us all a favour, don't start pushing theology into this thread like others, thanks.



The primary aim of a One world Govt would be firstly to end war.
I'd say "should" be, and might be claimed to be, but not (in the present state of human civilization) "would" be.

Recall The Great War (since renamed World War I) ... the "war to end all wars." Fat lot of good that did.

No doubt a one world government would find plenty of reason for increased "security" forces.

Also don't forget the possible "alien invasion" threat. A one world government faced with a (likely false flag) alien invasion would have the biggest excuse in human history to ramp up military expenditures.

Albert Pike knew in the late 1800's that there would be three world wars and he even knew between whom.
Some of the factions didn't exist then either.
Google Pikes letter to Mazzini.

[araucaria]

Independant nation states are not the problem. Our monetary system is. The ignorance of the general public overlooking the root of most problems is. Nation states or states are fine.


Martin

Agreed. Which is probably why devolution in Scotland and Wales and other forms of decentralization elsewhere have been going on in the midst of the very nations that have been coming together. The monetary system is the dark face of the centralizing force. But even a game of Monopoly has to come to an end when all the money falls into the same hands and the exchange system grindds to a halt.

[K626]

A good example of high communism you might perhaps find in Star Trek where humanity functions as a whole unit, works as a betterment of the civilization, progress of mankind and where a monetary system does not exist, meaning everyone makes contribution to the world in order to have equally shared resources.

As long as people don't lose their individualism in the process....

Wasn't the growth of individualism a product of energising expanding markets for capitalism in the 60's? Yet strangely we all bought the same car.....:p

I believe peoples core needs worldwide are essentially the same and I think there is more that binds us together than pulls us apart. :cool:

Peace

K

[K626]

Independant nation states are not the problem. Our monetary system is. The ignorance of the general public overlooking the root of most problems is. Nation states or states are fine.


Martin

Name me one independant nation state and then we can talk. :p

American would be decimated without its ability to borrow money from from the rest of the world.

China would starve without technology exchange and the ability to sell good to the West.

Half the EU would be starving if it wasn't for Germany lending money all over the place.

The word you're looking for is interdependence.

Peace

K

[K626]

The primary aim of a One world Govt would be firstly to end war.
I'd say "should" be, and might be claimed to be, but not (in the present state of human civilization) "would" be.

Recall The Great War (since renamed World War I) ... the "war to end all wars." Fat lot of good that did.

No doubt a one world government would find plenty of reason for increased "security" forces.

Also don't forget the possible "alien invasion" threat. A one world government faced with a (likely false flag) alien invasion would have the biggest excuse in human history to ramp up military expenditures.

American is waking upto the fact that its ability to make money from wars is waning. The main reason is that all the high tech stuff sits on the shelf as they get mixed up in yet another low tech war (Iraq, Afghanistan).

And where did most of the licensing go for Iraqi oil ?

Peace

K

[RedeZra]

it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

Doesn't your new testament tell us that jesus will be king of this earth?
How many governments will there be then?
And do us all a favour, don't start pushing theology into this thread like others, thanks.


Albert Pike speaks of Lucifer and i speak of Christ

we know that these two champions will clash in a final battle

Pike and me know

[Lord Sidious]

it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

Doesn't your new testament tell us that jesus will be king of this earth?
How many governments will there be then?
And do us all a favour, don't start pushing theology into this thread like others, thanks.


Albert Pike speaks of Lucifer and i speak of Christ

we know that these two champions will clash in a final battle

Pike and me know

As per usual, you attempt (very poorly too) to sidestep my point.
And you wonder why people aren't interested in your abrahamic fables.
But to you, satan is in our ears I suppose.

[RedeZra]

it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

Doesn't your new testament tell us that jesus will be king of this earth?
How many governments will there be then?
And do us all a favour, don't start pushing theology into this thread like others, thanks.


Albert Pike speaks of Lucifer and i speak of Christ

we know that these two champions will clash in a final battle

Pike and me know

As per usual, you attempt (very poorly too) to sidestep my point.
And you wonder why people aren't interested in your abrahamic fables.
But to you, satan is in our ears I suppose.

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

[Lord Sidious]

it is the illuminati which is working for a one world government

so it will be really bad for those that don't worship Lucifer


in this sense a one world government is just a rebuilding of Babel

humanity united against God under the leadership of Lucifer


this won't happen ; )

Doesn't your new testament tell us that jesus will be king of this earth?
How many governments will there be then?
And do us all a favour, don't start pushing theology into this thread like others, thanks.


Albert Pike speaks of Lucifer and i speak of Christ

we know that these two champions will clash in a final battle

Pike and me know

As per usual, you attempt (very poorly too) to sidestep my point.
And you wonder why people aren't interested in your abrahamic fables.
But to you, satan is in our ears I suppose.

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

[RedeZra]

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

fine but when an architect like Pike speaks about Lucifer then we need to take notice

i'm sure Pike is serious about Lucifer being a real spirit which he worships


so what do we know about Lucifer ?

[Lord Sidious]

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

fine but when an architect like Pike speaks about Lucifer then we need to take notice

i'm sure Pike is serious about Lucifer being a real spirit which he worships


so what do we know about Lucifer ?

That it is not the topic of this thread?

[RedeZra]

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

fine but when an architect like Pike speaks about Lucifer then we need to take notice

i'm sure Pike is serious about Lucifer being a real spirit which he worships


so what do we know about Lucifer ?

That it is not the topic of this thread?

if Lucifer is the spirit behind the illuminati then he has the utmost relevance to this topic of one world government

let's bring Lucifer out into the limelight

or is it you lol

[Lord Sidious]

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

fine but when an architect like Pike speaks about Lucifer then we need to take notice

i'm sure Pike is serious about Lucifer being a real spirit which he worships


so what do we know about Lucifer ?

That it is not the topic of this thread?

if Lucifer is the spirit behind the illuminati then he has the utmost relevance to this topic of one world government

let's bring Lucifer out into the limelight

or is it you lol

Please, take this to another thread and let the other avalonuggets continue on with the debate.

[K626]

have you become a thought police uncle sid ?

No, just tired of ''debates'' that are used for preaching, but many points ignored.

fine but when an architect like Pike speaks about Lucifer then we need to take notice

i'm sure Pike is serious about Lucifer being a real spirit which he worships


so what do we know about Lucifer ?

That it is not the topic of this thread?

if Lucifer is the spirit behind the illuminati then he has the utmost relevance to this topic of one world government

let's bring Lucifer out into the limelight

or is it you lol

I get it. The old names have a higher spook value. How about Ubel or Balor? How about keeping the mysticism on the mysticism plate?

There is only knowledge and in the final count only knowledge will save man and make him self-aware.

Knowledge, last time I looked the church was holding back. ;)

Peace

K

[Maia Gabrial]

I saw the futuristic pictures of the homes for TPTW. They were such lovely structures....There were futuristic flying cars.....Such lovely cars....What a lovely new world.... But behind those scenes will be the ugly truth.....

Don't forget there'll be less people around because THEY had them all murdered down to 500million.... More resources for them, right? It'll probably make them feel better that there aren't going to be anymore food shortages. Heck, maybe they'll find a way to consume the dead bodies, too...? Look at those endless stored coffins. Makes you wonder if the bodies will be piled in them like sardines in a can....Really, like gourmet sardines..... Who knows?

I think TPTW will clearly believe abundance IS theirs because they'll claim everything on Earth as theirs.... No one to stop them from having it all either.... They'd be like insatiable VULTURES with everything....
That's what I think they'll be like, no mistake about it. What a uglier world that'll be....
On the upside, we can only hope that TPTW will be imprisoned; and WE'LL make this a beautiful world without them....

[risveglio]

This is a horrible idea and if this is the future for Earth, I hope my family and I are all gone. Bastiat described government perfectly in this quote and it is till true today over 150 years later.

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Frederic Bastiat

[K626]

The Georgia Guidestones are pure Annanuki BS. Adios! This is not the right question about a One World Government either. It keeps you down in the muck and choosing over a red pill or a purple pill. Heal yourself and you don't need either one of them. Get out of this matrix! It's all about 3D when we are evolving or not ~ into something higher. It's a choice.

Imagine this: A world without debt. A world in which you don't have to slave to make others rich at the expense of your life, your children, your family. Imagine debt being lifted off your shoulders and a new day dawning that is fair and just ~ to all and each and every being who shares Earth with us and not just the few rotten apples who have been in control.

Yes, you can't imagine it ~ I can see this from all the comments. To get out of the matrix takes an ability to IMAGINE something different without all the 3D traps of finance, control, laws. You have simply and completely forgotten who you are ~ my dears ~ you are Masters with amnesia! Imagine a world where all are Masters instead of peons?!! Imagine how you might feel without the burden of debts and this cycle of war, poverty, starvation and digging your way out of darkness each and every day only to wake up and do it over again tomorrow. When will you have enough of it? It's a choice we make each day or not.

Can you do it? Imagine that you have time to pursue your wildest dreams as long as they "harm no being." Imagine creating as you go along each day with new ideas for sharing the wealth. Imagine free energy and much of the burdens as people share the bounty of earth instead of hoard and have this terrible mentality of want, need, and scarcity.

Imagine your way out of this mess and you will have it, my friend. Or sit back and ponder One World Governments and all the other negative thoughts posted as threads on Avalon. And we can continue to do this whole exercise over and over and over again. It's a choice you are making in this moment!

Are you a Master or not? Until you look into your own heart, you can keep believing you are powerless but sooner or later, it will come to you that something different is required now.

I was in two minds wether to start this thread, but reading posts like this make it worthwhile.

There is a danger getting caught in other peoples loops and projections...It ends up the world working in the way you most FEARED.

Peace

K

[Warlock]

Most of the politicians shouldn't be allowed the position of dog catcher, let alone running the world.

Either way, world government is inevitable, and I just hope I'm not around to see it.

Warlock

[K626]

Most of the politicians shouldn't be allowed the position of dog catcher, let alone running the world.

Either way, world government is inevitable, and I just hope I'm not around to see it.

Warlock

What's the alternative? ;)

Peace

K

[Warlock]

Most of the politicians shouldn't be allowed the position of dog catcher, let alone running the world.

Either way, world government is inevitable, and I just hope I'm not around to see it.

Warlock

What's the alternative? ;)

Peace

K

I really don't want this to turn into a religious discussion, because that is where this would lead, at least for me.

Warlock

[ThePythonicCow]

Most of the politicians shouldn't be allowed the position of dog catcher, let alone running the world

What's the alternative? ;)
Well, for "dog catcher" at least, the alternative is to not have one.

When I was a kid, we had no dog catcher.

If some dog went bad, I suppose someone would have gotten a gun and shot it. I had full, unattended, access to the family arsenal by the time I was eight or nine. Nearly shot myself in the arse one time ... in my self-taught gun safety lessons.

If it was just a dog out walking ... then outside of one of the family dogs telling it to "keeping on walking ... this is not your turf", no other effort was needed. Sooner or later some kind soul with space for another dog would put out some food for it, and the dog would have a new home.

[wynderer]

aren't you all forgetting the Earth changes , heating up all over the planet? the best laid plans of mice & the NWO oft go astray...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Think globally
Act Locally

I have no problem with this, and it is ultimately necessary as a synthesis of all people on Earth.

Obviously it would start within the most local community (once we deconstruct the notion of the traditional 'family' and become healed in our towns and cities) and build upwards.

That, to me, is a true representation of the people.

[Curt]

That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.


K626,
I think even more to the point would be to get rid of TPTW who manipulate the wars in the first place.... They're the ones setting everything up for wars, even fooling people into believing that they're fighting for God and country.

It may be fair to say that TPTB are still in charge because many of us don't know a better alternative, or maybe even because many of us are afraid what might happen if we embraced personal sovereignty. I say this without judgement. I think taking this step would require herculean courage. Embracing personal sovereignty would likely require a level of consciousness that we're not yet in possession of; but, perhaps if this were a goal we were to set for ourselves we would be more likely to achieve it...

[K626]

That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.


K626,
I think even more to the point would be to get rid of TPTW who manipulate the wars in the first place.... They're the ones setting everything up for wars, even fooling people into believing that they're fighting for God and country.

It may be fair to say that TPTB are still in charge because many of us don't know a better alternative, or maybe even because many of us are afraid what might happen if we embraced personal sovereignty. I say this without judgement. I think taking this step would require herculean courage. Embracing personal sovereignty would likely require a level of consciousness that we're not yet in possession of; but, perhaps if this were a goal we were to set for ourselves we would be more likely to achieve it...

What tends to often happen with these scenarios is that they take the path of least resistence.

The reason we have what we have going on - on this planet is cause its about pretty much what we can bear without feeling totally helpless. And also that the majority have accepted it in incriments untill it is too late. The naked truth is the populus will tolerate just about any outrage or lie if it is packaged correctly or spun in a likeable manner. We see this time and time again....

The uncomfortable truth is the vast majority like to be led, they crave leadership and avoid descision making and many don't have the time or the inclination to weigh up the alternatives (a forum like this is the opposite of that). Because people on this forum come armed with knowledge and their own ideation and reserach and levels of independent thought it is of course unthinkable that a world govt could really arrive or even be a good thing.

In the evolutionary sense it will come not because it is a good thing or particularly efficent or without flaws...It will come because the descsions that are coming and need to be made are going to be bigger than countries working on their own and working against each other are going to be able to handle.


Peace

K

[Curt]

That said, there needs ot be a best foot forward scenario where the assets of the planet are better handled with less waste and the first thing on that list would be to end this continuous warfare springing up around the globe continuously. Warfare is ultimately the lowest form of communication.


K626,
I think even more to the point would be to get rid of TPTW who manipulate the wars in the first place.... They're the ones setting everything up for wars, even fooling people into believing that they're fighting for God and country.

It may be fair to say that TPTB are still in charge because many of us don't know a better alternative, or maybe even because many of us are afraid what might happen if we embraced personal sovereignty. I say this without judgement. I think taking this step would require herculean courage. Embracing personal sovereignty would likely require a level of consciousness that we're not yet in possession of; but, perhaps if this were a goal we were to set for ourselves we would be more likely to achieve it...

What tends to often happen with these scenarios is that they take the path of least resistence.

The reason we have what we have going on - on this planet is cause its about pretty much what we can bear without feeling totally helpless. And also that the majority have accepted it in incriments untill it is too late. The naked truth is the populus will tolerate just about any outrage or lie if it is packaged correctly or spun in a likeable manner. We see this time and time again....

The uncomfortable truth is the vast majority like to be led, they crave leadership and avoid descision making and many don't have the time or the inclination to weigh up the alternatives (a forum like this is the opposite of that). Because people on this forum come armed with knowledge and their own ideation and reserach and levels of independent thought it is of course unthinkable that a world govt could really arrive or even be a good thing.

In the evolutionary sense it will come not because it is a good thing or particularly efficent or without flaws...It will come because the descsions that are coming and need to be made are going to be bigger than countries working on their own and working against each other are going to be able to handle.


Peace

K

You're right that there are complex issues which will require multinational cooperation, and perhaps some form of global government. There will be challenges, natural and manufactured that we will need to face as a global population. Your point about the path of least resistance is well taken. The need for global cooperation to solve matters of war, global economic issues, and planetary health will be the rationale for setting up global government. But, we'd better be careful how much authority any global government ends up getting, and who ends up running it or it will be a monolithic superstate. The power will be drawn upward to an even greater extent that it will be now. It may, by virtue of its being so centralized, more corruptible--mere citizens will be an abstraction in such a case. Will a central office in London or Brussels or Washington be able to adequately address the needs or even care about the needs of a coal miner in West Virginia USA? In my view, we wlll be taxed more heavily, be less well represented, have less power and autonomy as nations and citizens, and we'll be even more at the mercy of TPTB.

[ulli]

With global government the work and analysis that Dutchsince was doing with regards to radiation from Fukushima would be supported with enormous funding and a well-equipped team of people.

Radiation affects more than one country and therefore needs to be tackled from a higher level.
At the present moment national governments (like Japan) make decisions based on self preservation, and hence would want to cover up the dangers that people in other countries are exposed to.

While the current distaste for all government is understandable, and the fear of global government is justified to a degree we should remember that without any government at all we would have zero security.
Education would only go to those who can afford it. Basically what anarchy does it blocks the larger infrastructure from even coming about. We certainly would not be communicating via the Internet.
To really understand this one just needs to study what happened to countries which experienced major system change.

When British Gyuana became communist and everyone's property was confiscated people with means went overseas to live with relatives. They left in droves.
The high street of Georgetown, the capital city, within 15 years was overgrown with weeds.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Freedom and self responsibility is what I choose, not world government. Show me an example of a government that has not been corrupted with control freaks, greed and those with a severe sense of self importance.

There may be a time when we have evolved to a level where corruption, manipulation, lies and secrecy cannot be maintained. If I am around then I'll take another look.

[risveglio]

With global government the work and analysis that Dutchsince was doing with regards to radiation from Fukushima would be supported with enormous funding and a well-equipped team of people.

Radiation affects more than one country and therefore needs to be tackled from a higher level.
At the present moment national governments (like Japan) make decisions based on self preservation, and hence would want to cover up the dangers that people in other countries are exposed to.

While the current distaste for all government is understandable, and the fear of global government is justified to a degree we should remember that without any government at all we would have zero security.
Education would only go to those who can afford it. Basically what anarchy does it blocks the larger infrastructure from even coming about. We certainly would not be communicating via the Internet.
To really understand this one just needs to study what happened to countries which experienced major system change.

When British Gyuana became communist and everyone's property was confiscated people with means went overseas to live with relatives. They left in droves.
The high street of Georgetown, the capital city, within 15 years was overgrown with weeds.

I don't see how anarchy would be less safe. Without the facade of government taking care of you, communities would handle there safety just fine and probably much better than it is handled today. Also, education would get much cheaper and communities, again without the facade of government, would take better care of there poor but more importantly the poor would be more motivated to improve themselves instead of just waiting for the next handout. If the only two choices is global government or no government, I think we would be safer, more free and much more productive with anarchy.

[ulli]

Communities taking care of themselves IS government. If every minor issue is to be decided by all that will be impractical, so a select group take care of decisions. How that process happens is key. Right now we see party politics not working, as it is based on duality and most of the energy goes wasted as the two parties try to eliminate each other while the higher up more hidden players pull strings.
That two party system has to change, it is obvious.

To deny the more international operations a platform is just as unfair as denying the grassroots the ability to manage themselves. There are different levels...some people have a 200 yard radius, while others hop around the globe. Should they be stopped?

[risveglio]

Communities taking care of themselves IS government. If every minor issue is to be decided by all that will be impractical, so a select group take care of decisions. How that process happens is key. Right now we see party politics not working, as it is based on duality and most of the energy goes wasted as the two parties try to eliminate each other while the higher up more hidden players pull strings.
That two party system has to change, it is obvious.

To deny the more international operations a platform is just as unfair as denying the grassroots the ability to manage themselves. There are different levels...some people have a 200 yard radius, while others hop around the globe. Should they be stopped?

But not global government. Not one set of bureaucrats making the decision for the entire population. That is just crazy and could never work, unless you feel that an individual is meaningless. We are not ants living in a commune just to serve the queen. The individual is key and government as we know it only destroys the individual but putting up a facade that they will be taken care for. I can't find one good example of central planning working here in the US so don't see how you expect it to work on a world level.

[ulli]

Communities taking care of themselves IS government. If every minor issue is to be decided by all that will be impractical, so a select group take care of decisions. How that process happens is key. Right now we see party politics not working, as it is based on duality and most of the energy goes wasted as the two parties try to eliminate each other while the higher up more hidden players pull strings.
That two party system has to change, it is obvious.

To deny the more international operations a platform is just as unfair as denying the grassroots the ability to manage themselves. There are different levels...some people have a 200 yard radius, while others hop around the globe. Should they be stopped?

But not global government. Not one set of bureaucrats making the decision for the entire population. That is just crazy and could never work, unless you feel that an individual is meaningless. We are not ants living in a commune just to serve the queen. The individual is key and government as we know it only destroys the individual but putting up a facade that they will be taken care for. I can't find one good example of central planning working here in the US so don't see how you expect it to work on a world level.

Not a global government that takes care of people. Not at all.
People and families will always be the building blocks of a world society.
Just a parliament that has representatives from all countries and who ensure the well-being and functioning of an international infrastructure.
This is a completely different concept from the government we are seeing today. The members are enlightened people who have proven their worth durting a lifetime of voluntary service, first at the local level later the national level, and finally are elected because of their merit.
Time limits and regular elections ensure that fresh blood enters such a body and which will keep corruption from happening.
All lobbying from corporations will be forbidden, also campaigning.
Petitions and reports of the different countries' needs and activities will come in via mail and will be handled in a fair and just manner.
A world commonwealth.
In the US if the federal government can come in to help individual states in case of emergency then this could equally work at the world level.
The problems arise due to today's outdated election system and corrupt dualistic and competative party politics.

[risveglio]

Communities taking care of themselves IS government. If every minor issue is to be decided by all that will be impractical, so a select group take care of decisions. How that process happens is key. Right now we see party politics not working, as it is based on duality and most of the energy goes wasted as the two parties try to eliminate each other while the higher up more hidden players pull strings.
That two party system has to change, it is obvious.

To deny the more international operations a platform is just as unfair as denying the grassroots the ability to manage themselves. There are different levels...some people have a 200 yard radius, while others hop around the globe. Should they be stopped?

But not global government. Not one set of bureaucrats making the decision for the entire population. That is just crazy and could never work, unless you feel that an individual is meaningless. We are not ants living in a commune just to serve the queen. The individual is key and government as we know it only destroys the individual but putting up a facade that they will be taken care for. I can't find one good example of central planning working here in the US so don't see how you expect it to work on a world level.

Not a global government that takes care of people. Not at all.
People and families will always be the building blocks of a world society.
Just a parliament that has representatives from all countries and who ensure the well-being and functioning of an international infrastructure.
This is a completely different concept from the government we are seeing today. The members are enlightened people who have proven their worth durting a lifetime of voluntary service, first at the local level later the national level, and finally are elected because of their merit.
Time limits and regular elections ensure that fresh blood enters such a body and which will keep corruption from happening.
All lobbying from corporations will be forbidden, also campaigning.
Petitions and reports of the different countries' needs and activities will come in via mail and will be handled in a fair and just manner.
A world commonwealth.
In the US if the federal government can come in to help individual states in case of emergency then this could equally work at the world level.
The problems arise due to today's outdated election system and corrupt dualistic and competative party politics.

How is that any different than the United Nations? What good have they done? But we are throwing a nice twist here. All members are enlightened people, I wonder who decides who is enlightened and what enlightened means in this group of bureaucrats. What you are discussing here is how most think the US is handled but it is not. Most think elections are fair and two parties are very different. Elections are not fair and our two political parties are only different on the surface, when it comes to the core they are the same monster.

If we are all going to be enlightened, then we would need no government at all because as enlightened beings we will know when a problem requires a group and when a problem should be left to the individual. A global government with global rules means I can't move away when I disagree with the laws of the government. This was the whole idea of a United group of individual states. If my state starts some program that I disagree with, I can move to another state. Loosely connected sovereign states where local authority out weighs the national or world authority is a far better form of government, though that will be corrupted too.

[ulli]

If we are all going to be enlightened, then we would need no government at all because as enlightened beings we will know when a problem requires a group and when a problem should be left to the individual. A global government with global rules means I can't move away when I disagree with the laws of the government. This was the whole idea of a United group of individual states. If my state starts some program that I disagree with, I can move to another state. Loosely connected sovereign states where local authority out weighs the national or world authority is a far better form of government, though that will be corrupted too.

I agree totally, but people come in all shapes and sizes, and maturing is a process.
It will be recognized, more and more, that apathy has been the cause of why local municipalities haven't functioned properly.
When the people start taking more interest in the affairs of their communitites and hold regular town hall meetings where all can participate, even children, then a completely new mentality will appear.
This will not happen overnight. The UN have not worked out as expected and lessons can be learnt from that.
In my view people just need to understand that change on a massive scale takes a long time,
especially where all viewpoints have to be considered.
Anything other than a gentle approach is doomed to fail.

[Argos]

When we talk about global governance and include such phrases as "ensure the well-being," "enlightened members," "proving their worth," and "voluntary service," we do little more than recycle notions and themes of political structures that Plato analyzed thoroughly 2,400 years ago in his work, the Republic.

Unfounded optimism is the eternal trap in this line of reasoning. The entire scope of history in the West shows sadly, but rather clearly, that people who seek positions of governance, do so not because their are enlightened, wish to volunteer time, or seek to advance the collective cause. Rather, they seek political power precisely because they are not interested in these things. They are motivated by a kind of hyper-acute egotism and considerations of self-interest. Aside from one or two examples, when has this not been true?

There is a vast gulf affixed between what a person is and what another might hope him to be. And all the talk or good intentions in the universe will not alter this fundamental fact--if we understand history aright--of political being.

[ulli]

So sorry that you have only seen the negative side of politics, which is really meant to be public service.
I married into a family of politicians and know first hand about their struggles and hardships to see
legislation go through that will make lives more livable for the underpriviledged.

Because of my mother-in-law all seniors in Costa Rica can finally travel on public transport for free,
all over the country, just by showing a special card. She was still working in Government House as a volunteer,
long after retirement age. No salary, just her pension.
I have endless stories here. Another uncle spent decades in the National Congress fighting for the preservation of the rain forests,
to avoid the fate of the Amazon.
Because of his work 25 % of the country is now National Park, and has provided the public with trails and picnic areas.

I realize that my contributions here may be unpopular and contrary to general belief about leadership
but if we throw in the towel just because we want to focus on the worst in people then what is the point of living at all?

[K626]

Freedom and self responsibility is what I choose, not world government. Show me an example of a government that has not been corrupted with control freaks, greed and those with a severe sense of self importance.

There may be a time when we have evolved to a level where corruption, manipulation, lies and secrecy cannot be maintained. If I am around then I'll take another look.

All goverments are a flawed system and all are prey to the problems you speak of.

But we're going to have to grab that vine ans swing to the next tree, even though that tree might be bigger and strange and filled with the unknowable.

Peace

K

[K626]

A true global Govt would have stopped America going to war in Iraq (not the pantomime that is the U.N.).

Peace

K

[risveglio]

So sorry that you have only seen the negative side of politics, which is really meant to be public service.
I married into a family of politicians and know first hand about their struggles and hardships to see
legislation go through that will make lives more livable for the underpriviledged.

Because of my mother-in-law all seniors in Costa Rica can finally travel on public transport for free,
all over the country, just by showing a special card. She was still working in Government House as a volunteer,
long after retirement age. No salary, just her pension.
I have endless stories here. Another uncle spent decades in the National Congress fighting for the preservation of the rain forests,
to avoid the fate of the Amazon.
Because of his work 25 % of the country is now National Park, and has provided the public with trails and picnic areas.

I realize that my contributions here may be unpopular and contrary to general belief about leadership
but if we throw in the towel just because we want to focus on the worst in people then what is the point of living at all?

But at whose expense. Doesn't someone else have to pay the government for the government to provide these special cards? If I was to come to your door and say give me all your money because I want to give it to the poor, I would be arrested, what makes it right for the government. I am not asking to throw in the towel, I am asking to lift the veil. To empower the individual, to legalize freedom. What is right for me may not be right for you, when you try to put us all under the umbrella of a false government, you take away someones rights.

[risveglio]

A true global Govt would have stopped America going to war in Iraq (not the pantomime that is the U.N.).

Peace

K

Yeah only a utopian form of government that never will exists.

"History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is." - Thomas Jefferson

[K626]

A true global Govt would have stopped America going to war in Iraq (not the pantomime that is the U.N.).

Peace

K

Yeah only a utopian form of government that never will exists.

"History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is." - Thomas Jefferson

Thought you would have asked how instead of a flippant remark.

Quotes from dead people are meaningless.

He would have no idea of the chance for total transparecy that is available with the internet and info technlogy.

Peace

K

[risveglio]

Sorry, I am yet to see a strong central government work anywhere so I have a hard time seeing that sometime in the near future government is going to work on a world level. Please tell me how you think this fictional enlightened global government would stop one section of the world attacking another section of the world?

[ulli]

So sorry that you have only seen the negative side of politics, which is really meant to be public service.
I married into a family of politicians and know first hand about their struggles and hardships to see
legislation go through that will make lives more livable for the underpriviledged.

Because of my mother-in-law all seniors in Costa Rica can finally travel on public transport for free,
all over the country, just by showing a special card. She was still working in Government House as a volunteer,
long after retirement age. No salary, just her pension.
I have endless stories here. Another uncle spent decades in the National Congress fighting for the preservation of the rain forests,
to avoid the fate of the Amazon.
Because of his work 25 % of the country is now National Park, and has provided the public with trails and picnic areas.

I realize that my contributions here may be unpopular and contrary to general belief about leadership
but if we throw in the towel just because we want to focus on the worst in people then what is the point of living at all?

But at whose expense. Doesn't someone else have to pay the government for the government to provide these special cards? If I was to come to your door and say give me all your money because I want to give it to the poor, I would be arrested, what makes it right for the government. I am not asking to throw in the towel, I am asking to lift the veil. To empower the individual, to legalize freedom. What is right for me may not be right for you, when you try to put us all under the umbrella of a false government, you take away someones rights.


I find it hard to believe that I'm even in this debate,
so this will be my last post on the matter.
I used to get confronted for defending individual rights too much, and here I am in the opposite corner.

Anyway, it is only by working together and looking at all sides of the picture
and seeing the overall needs that real progress happens.
I just like to give credit where credit is due.

And I see nothing wrong with paying taxes towards a smoothly functioning society,
just cannot stand the thought that those taxes end up in someone's pocket.

Right now in Costa Rica young journalists are on the war path against corruption
and have even brought down a former president who after his term was elected to become Secretary of the OAS. (Organisation of American States) He is now in jail.
Two weeks into that term with his posh new office in NY
he was called to stand trial and had to fly back to Costa Rica.
They handcuffed him on the plane when he arrived and shoved him into a dog catcher van with no A/C
during the midday heat. By the time he arrived at the court house he had lost consciousness.

He had accepted a $ 3.4 million bribe to be split with some other government cronies
from a French corporation that offered to install cell phone towers here.
There were several contenders, so he couldn't resist the offer of a present.
A major problem, world-wide.
So that is being dealt with here, and the new generation of politicians
are being more conscious of playing the game the honest way.
In Venezuela no politician had ever been put on the stand for corruption,
which is how they ended up getting Hugo Chavez.

I live in a backward place in the mountains where even the bridges are not always safe to cross.
We need people who are willing to deal with those issues,
even if we all have to contribute the funds necessary to pay for the improvements.

When I visit the US and see their smooth roads, or Europe,
I feel like I have come to another planet, a higher civilization.

[risveglio]

Roads can be privatized and be even safer and more efficient than they are today. We have a ton of corruption in the US, its just legal corruption now. The FDA practices its legal corruption with the state on an almost daily basis. Whether it is classifying natural remedies as a drug so that only big pharmaceuticals can supply medicines or making regulations so hard for small and mid sized farms to compete with companies like Montsanto. I just don't see how this global idea can ever happen without greed, power, and corruption taking over to pit one set of ideals over another.

http://mises.org/daily/3416

[K626]

Sorry, I am yet to see a strong central government work anywhere so I have a hard time seeing that sometime in the near future government is going to work on a world level. Please tell me how you think this fictional enlightened global government would stop one section of the world attacking another section of the world?

There is a 'fictional' world Govt of sorts already in place, you might have noticed...G20. You know the one that agrees trade tarifs and interest rates and climate issues and harmonising governance. The problem is that its adjunct debating house the UN is toothless.

If there was a place with real global reach and accountability and votes actually meant something then China alone could have stopped the US invasion of Iraq, never mind the rest of the world working together. If the world (well China alone) cancelled US loans and credit America would be bancrupt within 48hrs.

Peace

K

[K626]

Roads can be privatized and be even safer and more efficient than they are today. We have a ton of corruption in the US, its just legal corruption now. The FDA practices its legal corruption with the state on an almost daily basis. Whether it is classifying natural remedies as a drug so that only big pharmaceuticals can supply medicines or making regulations so hard for small and mid sized farms to compete with companies like Montsanto. I just don't see how this global idea can ever happen without greed, power, and corruption taking over to pit one set of ideals over another.

http://mises.org/daily/3416

That might be more of an american issue...It happens to an extent in the EU but more often thatn not legistlation is going the other way..ie protection for smaller groups, rules against discrimination, liberal and fair empoyment law and so on...Germany and France still resisting Monsanto...

Emloyment law is much tougher in the EU (protection of workers), so tough that England had to opt out of it. What if Eng couldn't opt out?

Peace

K

[Carmody]

In my understanding it is a natural stage of human evolution to form the complex of social memory, where we would all be empathetically and telepathically connected together, where we learn to be responsible for ourselves and to everyone as a whole. To me, the one world whatchamacallit is a dim reflection of this, a fake.

Nothing to see here, move along. You won't be a spiritually connected people, you need us to do that for you.

Riiiight.

That's an important distinction. They are offering a Borgian, counterfeit version of a unified humanity, which would be the opposite of true universal sovereignty. It would be mandated or forced cooperation, rather than cooperation as a natural consequence of having achieved empathy and higher understanding. It would mean the total submission and domination of mankind by a faceless universal state. No thanks.

Fight the enemy!...or:

You are being offered a mirror of what you need to see?

The duality ideal, or the monkey not giving in to the dimensional inhabitant and real driver of the 'box' (container). Which will it be?

Both, is the answer of what it is ......and this is the time where all these actions take place - simultaneously.

[risveglio]

Roads can be privatized and be even safer and more efficient than they are today. We have a ton of corruption in the US, its just legal corruption now. The FDA practices its legal corruption with the state on an almost daily basis. Whether it is classifying natural remedies as a drug so that only big pharmaceuticals can supply medicines or making regulations so hard for small and mid sized farms to compete with companies like Montsanto. I just don't see how this global idea can ever happen without greed, power, and corruption taking over to pit one set of ideals over another.

http://mises.org/daily/3416

That might be more of an american issue...It happens to an extent in the EU but more often thatn not legistlation is going the other way..ie protection for smaller groups, rules against discrimination, liberal and fair empoyment law and so on...Germany and France still resisting Monsanto...

Emloyment law is much tougher in the EU (protection of workers), so tough that England had to opt out of it. What if Eng couldn't opt out?

Peace

K

You prove my point. In a global government, England could not choose to opt out. What if these programs that "protect" the worker are doing more harm than good? I know our labor laws are usually more harmful than helpful. The racists minimum wage laws removed young blacks from the workplace so they had no place to work and get skills. Unions and regulations in the US have done an amazing job of scaring business away and many have went oversees. The government is and always will be the problem not the solution. They take a tiny problem, find a solution for it and that solution eventually leads to a bigger problem, which they continue to mess with and consistently make it worse. The US has done that with medicine, money and education.

[Carmody]

Roads can be privatized and be even safer and more efficient than they are today. We have a ton of corruption in the US, its just legal corruption now. The FDA practices its legal corruption with the state on an almost daily basis. Whether it is classifying natural remedies as a drug so that only big pharmaceuticals can supply medicines or making regulations so hard for small and mid sized farms to compete with companies like Montsanto. I just don't see how this global idea can ever happen without greed, power, and corruption taking over to pit one set of ideals over another.

http://mises.org/daily/3416

Look at highway 407 in Ontario, Canada.

The land to make the highway was bought from individuals. Insiders found out about the plans and then purchased the land from individuals beforehand at low prices, then sold it to the government of the Province of Ontario. In some cases, to the tune of 10x their purchase price.

The province of Ontario ended up paying $100 BILLION for that land. Just to feed insiders. Then the highway was built for about $1.5-2 billion. Built, once again, by insiders. More feeding.

Then, an insider got a hold of the government of Ontario...and sold the highway to private interests, done all through insider deals and contracts which were held secret from the public until the last minute. The result was that the highway was sold to private interests in a ironclad and unbreakable contract where the province cannot even build a competing highway.

So far, the highway has profited the company with the contract for it...$3 billion.

This means the Province of Ontario has paid, so far, for this highway it does not own, this highway which is choking the life out of the Province of Ontario (7 million residents)..it has paid ...$105 billion, so far.

The highway is not being used very much, and this lack of it's use, as it is now an expensive toll highway...this is choking the province to death. The traffic jams in that province, that Toronto (City) area....are crazy.

This original (other-older-original) highway that is free to use...it is the largest --busiest in the world. This second one was built with the idea of fixing the province and allowing Ontario to grow, to be the central hub of Canada. As it would have done, if it was the free use highway it was intended to be. (the euro group's aim was to have Toronto become the world economic center)(The guy who sold it, was likely connected to the US control group) (thus he effectively screwed and choked the Euro power group's plans for North America) (Just one potential view)

With no end in sight, and the choke-hold on the growth and value of Ontario as a province and human enterprise.... is in full and stark effect.

This is what happens when humans do not involve themselves in all things that may affect them, when they do not try to discern... and let their feelings decide. Ie, they allow sleight of hand in some small part of the process.... and it curses them. They fail to use discernment and clear thought. The monkey inside allows for bosses, bigger monkeys, to exist, to control.......They fall to ego function.

The ideal is to become the strong individual, the collected individual, the connected individual...while existing in a harmonic collective. That is the goal.

[Hervé]

Iceland's Example to the World




The people of Iceland have demonstrated what citizens of all nations should do:

Reject the fraudulent idea that debts perpetrated by capitalist leaders should be borne by "the people"
Arrest and convict capitalist leaders who commit political and economic crimes
Whatever fate befalls Iceland in the future, its people have provided an example for citizens the world over to follow. This is a way forward for the American political and economic system. As we'll see in the section of this essay on Iceland's history, Iceland has been controlled and criminally manipulated by a capitalist junta similar to the American cabal (http://javascript<b></b>:Remote2();), and is still somewhat under the thumb of this junta to this day. Despite, the depredations of the Icelandic junta, however, Icelandic citizens have been able to elect a number of more progressive leaders and reject responsibility for Icelandic capitalist debts.

The people of Iceland twice voted not to repay international debts incurred by banksters, rejecting the idea that "the people" are responsible for bankster debts.

Icelandic citizens held a first referendum in the spring of 2009 to decide whether the people should pay for the criminally incurred debts of the banksters and whether their government could impose these debts on the people without their consent. Ninety-three percent voted no!
In April of 2011 the Icelandic citizens held a second referendum to decide whether to accept or reject a government-concocted agreement negotiated between Iceland, the Netherlands and the UK to pay back the British and Dutch governments for the money they spent to recompense savers with the failed Icesave bank. Covering the debt would have cost Iceland's 317,000 citizens around $17,000 each. Again, they voted to reject the capitalist "agreement;" this time by close to sixty percent (58.9%).

This rejection of the bankster "agreement" was highly significant since current European governments, pressured by speculators such as Goldman Sachs, JPMorganChase, the IMF, and the European Commission were calling for the imposition of austerity measures on Icelandic citizens, for which they had not voted. After the second Icelandic referendum, even the pro-capitalist Financial Times on 4/13/2011 had to acknowledge that Icelandic citizens had voted to "put citizens before banks."

To see how and why all this transpired in Iceland, we need to review what capitalist atrocities they had experienced. The economic terrorism visited upon Icelandic citizens is essentially the same as that suffered by American and other citizens throughout the world.
Iceland's History

[...]

Full article: http://www.hermes-press.com/iceland_index.htm

[araucaria]

And I see nothing wrong with paying taxes towards a smoothly functioning society,
just cannot stand the thought that those taxes end up in someone's pocket.

Right now in Costa Rica young journalists are on the war path against corruption
and have even brought down a former president who after his term was elected to become Secretary of the OAS. (Organisation of American States) He is now in jail.
.

Last year I saw an old interview with former French communist party chief Georges Marchais from about 1978. I now realize why the guy was turned into a media clown. He was a good old conspiracy theorist 20 years ahead of his time. No wonder he was told by Moscow to sabotage the French parliamentary elections that year – the socialist-communist alliance was going to win! It was a great embarrassment to all concerned in 1981 when the socialists won the presidential election anyway and Mitterrand appointed 4 communists to his cabinet. Communism is one of those beautiful ideas you must believe in – providing you are only pretending...

[mosquito]

I think we're all agreed that it's difficult to conceive of a one-world governement constructed out of the current paradigm. However, in the future, should we ever evolve, then some sort of central steering group can be beneficial. Let's stop calling it a governement, let's think about a group pf people, elders if you like, who can focus the world community's efforts to help and support one another, who can provide the infrastructure to provide services and materials to enable EVERYONE to have a high quality of life.

Ulli - please don't stop posting here, you're posts have been, for me anyway, among the most intelligent and thought provoking ;)

[mosquito]

I'm copying something I wrote in another post, it didn't get much attention there, so I'll add it here (with minor edits), very relevant to this thread ........

Lots of people have put forward lots of views here, all of which I respect. There are so many problems facing our species, and I don't believe the solution is by any means as easy as we would like to think. I'd like to just give my views as they currently stand, based on my experience of life. I'm always open to change. I'm not saying "this is how it is", I'm saying "this is my current opinion", right or wrong.

I've always been an anarchist (anarchy literally means "no ruler"), and have shied away from politics and politicians all my life. I've tried on numerous occasions to get out of the rat-race, and have ALWAYS been thrown straight back in !! Back in the early 90's I believed that there was going to be some big spiritual awakening and that humanity would learn to live in harmony. Now I'm not so certain.
The last 10 years has brought an unbelievable amount of change in my life, I've explored the darkest depths of my being, looked at all those things that we consign to our shadow, been through turmoil, confusion, pain. By living through my experiences, and also through reading a wide variety of literature, I've seen that the human condition now is actually no different from how it's always been, we just like to think we're more evolved. I also believe that the trials and tribulations we suffer are actually the whole point of living ! What HAS changed is that a lot of our problems are being focussed into a global situation, giving us an opportunity to work through the issues and, hopefully, grow.
We've all heard of the maxim "as above, so below", well I can see how we can take this and apply it to the fields of human health, and I'm talking about spiritual/mental health here too. Many people will probably agree that the USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth, but I think we need to see a broader picture. I would say thet the Western military/industrial complex is the prime mover here, via the USA admittedly, but previously it was via Britain, (so I'm NOT USA-bashing here folks !) The similarities between the USA (previously Britain) and cancer are striking - in cancer, cells replicate without any consideration for the health of the organism, they multiply in a chaotic fashion, and eventually, they start to invade other organs, until death ensues. If we look at the USA, and particularly its' attitude toward the rest of the world, what do we see, "individualism" taken to the extreme, no-one matters but "me" and "my rights".
So, in my view, Western style "democracy" does not work.
For the last 3 years I've been living in China. My initial view of this country was that here is a place where, for the first time in my life, after visiting 27 other countries, I can see a society which works. Bear with me folks, don't misinterpret what I'm saying ! They have a very strong sense of collective identity, people mostly live in harmony with each other, people don't complain all the time, they accept leadership (more on that later) and they understand the concept of working together to achieve something. And what's more, the government actually spend its' money on improving people's lives. For example, the area destroyed in the 2008 earthquake has been totally rebuilt, BY THE GOVERNMENT, with assistance from many many local communities. Compare that to the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.
There are plenty of things wrong here, so I am categorically NOT saying it's a utopia, merely that it's the best I've seen so far, and that there are things we can learn.
So what have I learned ? Believe me, this has been a tough one for me ! As I said, I've always been an anarchist and this is still a fairly strong part of my nature, but living here has shown me that wise leadership is actually a good thing. On a personal level, we need a degree of self-discipline and spiritual guidance, think "higher-self" if you like. Well, I think the same is true on a collective level. If we look at Western countries, the leadership we have is far from wise ! Changing the situation in the USA, Britain etc. is not going to be possible using the same paradigm that created the problem in the first place. I also beleive that while China is an OK place at the moment, the writing is on the wall and there are many problems ahead.
I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not ashamed of that; the older I've got, the less I "know". Perhaps the best model by far is the way that indigenous people used to live, with a council of wise elders (if there's anyone here with indigenous blood, please enlighten us).
Thank you for reading this far, as I said earlier, I'm not claiming to know what the solution is, I'm merely giving an observation, which is as flawed as I am and which may not jive with everyone.
Hoping we can make progress, for the benefit of ALL Earth's beings, and blessings to you all, Philip

[K626]

Mariposafe,

As you get older you realise that the more you find out, the less you know.

Peace

K

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Satan, Illuminati, all those old dark versus light constructions are a part and parcel of DUALITY and are due to vanish once we leave 3D and move into higher realms. We have the power to do this right now in this moment in time or out of it. By rehashing these 3D constructions ~ over and over and over again, we keep them alive and functioning as part of our own reality. They keep manifesting all around us and are the shadows of our own collective consciousness. Once you really understand that you are creating all these ~ only then can you find your way out of the shadows and move forward. This darkness has to end and can end if we will allow it. We are choosing which reality and timeline we want to go with in every moment of every hour and day now. It is nearly imperceptible but we are changing into new timelines NOW.

It is time to make the shift into higher realms and ways of being and we can do this only through releasing and surrendering all these old 3D constructs and letting them fly away like a dove into the wind.

Which timeline and reality do you want to transcend into now or do you actually want this old one to linger again? It's a choice you are making right NOW. If you want to release these old systems and ways, do so now by dwelling in positives, and potentialities of a new day and new dawn and allow this other kinder world to be manifest instead of the dark you are so used to by now. Much love! xoxoxox

[161803398]

OH MY GOD!!!! Watch what you are eating people because I think something got in your food. Lets see, we have these genocidal maniacs running the world right now and you guys think that it might be better if there is just one genocidal maniac? Or maybe a panel of genocidal maniacs to run the world. I am in despair. Propaganda wins the day!!! I'm moving to forest NOW.

oooops....I was going to say something rude *stuffs a roll of toilet paper in her mouth to prevent a stream of abusive remarks* Maybe I will just break some dishes instead.

[161803398]

Many people who know of George Green are not aware that he channeled these books, but that is what he says.
They make a lot of sense, IMHO.


From whom? OH MY GOD!!! I only pray that Delores Gannon is right and the earth is splitting in two....coz I'm going the other direction.

[161803398]

Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.


MI6? This is a joke right? Or some kind of weird test to see if anyone IS actually awake and thinking? Tell me, Tell me its a joke.

The part of our evolutionary process is would be is the END.

http://www.metahistory.org/GAIA%20SOPHIA/TrueAnarchy.php

[Hervé]

[...]

Hi Darla, I appreciate your high spirit and optimism.

Tell me something, how many times have you managed to get away with your grocery bags by only giving a hug to the cashier and without using those "Elders"' pieces of paper?

Now, on another subject having to do with the title of this thread. Something was bugging me about it and couldn't quite figure what (nothing against the OP).

So, here it is: there is a circular rationality to it that's the product of those ruling hidden hands. Because it uses the NWO's "One World Government" as an end product of an "evolution" which is itself a product of these same ruling hidden hands.

Why? They simply divided and conquered something that was united but that wasn't to their taste. It is more or less in that same vein as Bill stating:


[...]
The challenge is not to evolve: it's to climb back out of the hole we've fallen into... a long, long degenerative slide over trillions of years or more. The bottom line reason for the slide is the accumulation of unfinished business: either things we've not taken responsibility for, or things that have happened to us which we have not healed or resolved.
[...]
All best wishes, Bill

Except that our "climbing back" is fashioned by these hidden hands/minds (as they also are residents of other dimensions) so that, this time, this "One United World" is to their taste (some would even say "literally").

This may give one an idea of the degree of success these "hidden hands" have achieved as they have managed to confuse and reverse about everything and, therefore, one also gets an idea of the task at hand in deconfusing and straightening things out.

[risveglio]

Your last post is interesting mariposafe but I don't think the USA is individualism to the extreme. Most Americans are good people, it is our government that is corrupt. Our government is doing its best to destroy any concept of individual and if you trace it back to the destruction of the individual, you will see when the corruption went into full force. We were never designed to be a democracy and though its obvious that democracy does not work, I think a representative republic can and will work.

I am a bit surprised about how you feel about China because most of my Chinese friends still see the government as an oppressive group, though they do admit that it is better than it was, especially if you are a good earner. They did not see a country that works which is why they left, that and they wanted to have more than one kid and felt it would be nice to have a girl.

[K626]

OH MY GOD!!!! Watch what you are eating people because I think something got in your food. Lets see, we have these genocidal maniacs running the world right now and you guys think that it might be better if there is just one genocidal maniac? Or maybe a panel of genocidal maniacs to run the world. I am in despair. Propaganda wins the day!!! I'm moving to forest NOW.

oooops....I was going to say something rude *stuffs a roll of toilet paper in her mouth to prevent a stream of abusive remarks* Maybe I will just break some dishes instead.


It's just a discussion. It's also interesting to see how close peoples boundaries are. :p

As I said earlier there is a world Govt of sorts in place already, so you should already be in the forest. :p

¤=[Post Update]=¤


The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Satan, Illuminati, all those old dark versus light constructions are a part and parcel of DUALITY and are due to vanish once we leave 3D and move into higher realms. We have the power to do this right now in this moment in time or out of it. By rehashing these 3D constructions ~ over and over and over again, we keep them alive and functioning as part of our own reality. They keep manifesting all around us and are the shadows of our own collective consciousness. Once you really understand that you are creating all these ~ only then can you find your way out of the shadows and move forward. This darkness has to end and can end if we will allow it. We are choosing which reality and timeline we want to go with in every moment of every hour and day now. It is nearly imperceptible but we are changing into new timelines NOW.

It is time to make the shift into higher realms and ways of being and we can do this only through releasing and surrendering all these old 3D constructs and letting them fly away like a dove into the wind.

Which timeline and reality do you want to transcend into now or do you actually want this old one to linger again? It's a choice you are making right NOW. If you want to release these old systems and ways, do so now by dwelling in positives, and potentialities of a new day and new dawn and allow this other kinder world to be manifest instead of the dark you are so used to by now. Much love! xoxoxox


Don't trash the conspiracy theorists bible of baddies...What will they have left to cling to? :eek:

Peace

K

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Had an interesting conversation last night with an insider who is former Mi6 and now works as a consultant in Brussels. He maintains that the whole 'NWO' agenda has been gamed out and that a 'One world govt' is always the logical conclusion to this.


MI6? This is a joke right? Or some kind of weird test to see if anyone IS actually awake and thinking? Tell me, Tell me its a joke.

The part of our evolutionary process is would be is the END.

http://www.metahistory.org/GAIA%20SOPHIA/TrueAnarchy.php

Yeah you know the people protecting the country with free healthcare and universal benefits and a massive social system and fantastic education without cost to those who can't afford it.

Peace

K

[mosquito]

As you get older you realise that the more you find out, the less you know.


Don't I know it !! (I'm sure I actually said this in the post) ;)


Your last post is interesting mariposafe but I don't think the USA is individualism to the extreme. Most Americans are good people, it is our government that is corrupt. Our government is doing its best to destroy any concept of individual and if you trace it back to the destruction of the individual, you will see when the corruption went into full force. We were never designed to be a democracy and though its obvious that democracy does not work, I think a representative republic can and will work.

I am a bit surprised about how you feel about China because most of my Chinese friends still see the government as an oppressive group, though they do admit that it is better than it was, especially if you are a good earner. They did not see a country that works which is why they left, that and they wanted to have more than one kid and felt it would be nice to have a girl.

I agree that it's the American government AND CORPORATIONS, rather than the people.
Re China - Obviously Chinese emigrees do not like China, in exactly the same way that I don't like Britain, there's no question in my mind about which of the 2 is the more dictatorial. If you were to come here you'd be very surprised by what you saw, and the vast majority of Westerners who live here do so because they like it.


OH MY GOD!!!! Watch what you are eating people because I think something got in your food. Lets see, we have these genocidal maniacs running the world right now and you guys think that it might be better if there is just one genocidal maniac? Or maybe a panel of genocidal maniacs to run the world. I am in despair. Propaganda wins the day!!! I'm moving to forest NOW.


This is a discussion ! Try actually reading what some people have to say before jumping to conclusions ! If you or anyone thinks that the topic of governance is as simple as "I'll do what I want and screw everyone else" then you need to sit down and have a good think. If you had bothered to read what I'd said, for example, you'd know that I've been a life-long anarchist and, along with every other opinion I've ever held, I'm beginning to question my position. Others on this thread are clearly doing the same. Why ? Because we too are sick and bloody tired of the world being f*ucked up by a bunch of self-serving, 2 faced, murderous bastards, and we're discussing how to change things.

[K626]

As you get older you realise that the more you find out, the less you know.


Don't I know it !! (I'm sure I actually said this in the post) ;)


Your last post is interesting mariposafe but I don't think the USA is individualism to the extreme. Most Americans are good people, it is our government that is corrupt. Our government is doing its best to destroy any concept of individual and if you trace it back to the destruction of the individual, you will see when the corruption went into full force. We were never designed to be a democracy and though its obvious that democracy does not work, I think a representative republic can and will work.

I am a bit surprised about how you feel about China because most of my Chinese friends still see the government as an oppressive group, though they do admit that it is better than it was, especially if you are a good earner. They did not see a country that works which is why they left, that and they wanted to have more than one kid and felt it would be nice to have a girl.

I agree that it's the American government AND CORPORATIONS, rather than the people.
Re China - Obviously Chinese emigrees do not like China, in exactly the same way that I don't like Britain, there's no question in my mind about which of the 2 is the more dictatorial. If you were to come here you'd be very surprised by what you saw, and the vast majority of Westerners who live here do so because they like it.


OH MY GOD!!!! Watch what you are eating people because I think something got in your food. Lets see, we have these genocidal maniacs running the world right now and you guys think that it might be better if there is just one genocidal maniac? Or maybe a panel of genocidal maniacs to run the world. I am in despair. Propaganda wins the day!!! I'm moving to forest NOW.


This is a discussion ! Try actually reading what some people have to say before jumping to conclusions ! If you or anyone thinks that the topic of governance is as simple as "I'll do what I want and screw everyone else" then you need to sit down and have a good think. If you had bothered to read what I'd said, for example, you'd know that I've been a life-long anarchist and, along with every other opinion I've ever held, I'm beginning to question my position. Others on this thread are clearly doing the same. Why ? Because we too are sick and bloody tired of the world being f*ucked up by a bunch of self-serving, 2 faced, murderous bastards, and we're discussing how to change things.

Love the way everybody imagines only the 'dark side' know how to run things and then it snowballs from there. There are plenty of good people in high places...Plenty.

Peace

K

[araucaria]

OH MY GOD!!!! Watch what you are eating people because I think something got in your food. Lets see, we have these genocidal maniacs running the world right now and you guys think that it might be better if there is just one genocidal maniac? Or maybe a panel of genocidal maniacs to run the world. I am in despair. Propaganda wins the day!!! I'm moving to forest NOW.

oooops....I was going to say something rude *stuffs a roll of toilet paper in her mouth to prevent a stream of abusive remarks* Maybe I will just break some dishes instead.

hi there phi (I hope you don't mind me calling you phi ;) ) - I hope you have gotten over you little indigestion of the other day
take care of yourself, and no more toilet paper please, it's not supposed to be edible :yuck:

[boja]

Whilst not wishing to worry anybody -

One thing which would UNITE EVERYBODY, would be a threat from elsewhere !

As pointed out by Mr Reagan - SADLY.

[araucaria]

Whilst not wishing to worry anybody -

One thing which would UNITE EVERYBODY, would be a threat from elsewhere !

As pointed out by Mr Reagan - SADLY.

Why not take a look at this proposition from a totally different angle - try replacing SADLY with HAPPILY and see how things can look very different.

Edit: Meaning that the PTW have probably been doing us all a great service. Certainly the karmic debt they have run up for themselves is as ridiculous as their funny money assets, and both will probably be getting written off together.

[K626]

Whilst not wishing to worry anybody -

One thing which would UNITE EVERYBODY, would be a threat from elsewhere !

As pointed out by Mr Reagan - SADLY.

Why not take a look at this proposition from a totally different angle - try replacing SADLY with HAPPILY and see how things can look very different.

Edit: Meaning that the PTW have probably been doing us all a great service. Certainly the karmic debt they have run up for themselves is as ridiculous as their funny money assets, and both will probably be getting written off together.

A space faring advanced race wuold have destroyed/colonised this planet by now if they really wanted to.

A space faring racing using superluminal travel across the galaxy would also have little time fot the PTW...There would just be no psychic or philosophical matchup. For a race to get to that level of advancement it is more or less a certainty that they they wouldn't be aggressive and would be way beyond the brutality of warfare, enslavement and other nasties...Why can I say this?

Well you need to look at where we are located on ths spiral ring of our galaxy and if you think about how planets are formed over time....It will come to you.




Peace

K