Mysterious Ball Seen Flying into WTC on 9/11 Part 1 - New Uncovered Footage

[Vitalux]

Original Post by zzripz on shroomery

Please take a look at this video, and let me know if you can deconstruct what he is claiming here.

Which is?

He is claiming to prove that instead of a plane going into the south tower of the WTC it was a "BALL", and using TV trickery the perpetrators used CGI to superimpose the shape of a plane over the ball, though the shape of the ball can still be witnessed.

Previously this extra bulge of the plane was said by some to seriously question the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT), and that the "pod", seen under the plane, proved these were not regular passenger airlines, however this "ball" explanation seems to expose the real source of this 'pod' as being some kind of secret advanced remote-controlled drone with the plane computationally fashioned around it. Have a look at this video (in two parts) and let us know what you think:

Part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbY0Oa-6v8&feature=player_embedded


Part 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwBo7gz2C0&feature=player_embedded#!

[Maia Gabrial]

So, then what happened to all the people that were supposedly killed on those planes? Where are they?

[Vitalux]

So, then what happened to all the people that were supposedly killed on those planes? Where are they?

Maia It is said that .......the people that were said to have died on the planes either did not exist or were not on the planes.
For example, the media reported that folks were calling their loved ones from their cell phones on the plane during 911. Only problem is that cell phones back then would not work on air planes.

#2. No plane hit the pentagon....therefore..no real people died......no plane crashed in Philadelphia...therefore ....no real people.....etc...... The CIA and the Media just reported fake names...after all ....who would disbelieve the media.

At least that is my understanding.
In fact, many of the people reported killed on the plane that struck the towers....afterwards are alive and well..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ixuf236Dk&feature=related

[TigaHawk]

The detoured flight paths they took - gave them ample time to either land the plane and remove the passengers, or to switch planes entirely. All of the planes suposidly involved in 9-11 took detoured flight pathes that went into areas where radar etc could not see them.

[Cjay]

Thanks for posting this Gary. It's an interesting hypothesis, thoroughly explained.

I stopped believing the story we were being told when the first tower collapsed in what appeared to be a controlled implosion/demolition.

There is an American TV series about crime investigation in which they emphasise the first 48 hours after the crime is the most critical period of the investigation, after which the evidence goes cold. However, those crimes on the TV series were not filmed from several angles and reported on TV thousands of times, all around the world.

In the case of the 9/11 crimes - despite the fact that most of the evidence was destroyed and shipped overseas; despite the passage of 10 years since the events; and despite the relentless manipulation of the facts and the smokescreen of lies - the evidence is mounting and the debate is heating up.

Will this lead to naming and convicting the conspirators? I hope so but I doubt it because there will always be higly paid lawyers who will argue there is reasonable doubt. I also think the 9/11 operations would have been so compartmentalised that not even the main political suspects - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al - even know the full truth. By the time the dust finally settles on this saga, most of the perpetrators will be long dead.

Those of us who are awake and aware will be much harder to fool in future. Those who are still asleep will always be easy to fool. The evil bastards know this and they WILL do it again. I am certain of it. We must be much more vigilant so that when it happens again, we jump in and prevent the same destruction of evidence and whitewashing of the truth.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

If you are going to post on a forum, at least check to see if what you are posting has already been posted recently. This clip has been posted twice already in the last week or 2. both threads are still near the top. On top of this, I already posted why this is complete nonsens in the other threads. Indeed, the original poster of the video on youtube has himself admitted that the video is wrong.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Here it the video for the 3rd time:

Please watch this. Nothing mysterious about this at all. Just lazy research:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

from the coments of the uploader : It sucks to be wrong, but one of my videos has been debunked. I'm glad that it was pointed out to me, because I want to spread the truth about 9/11, and not lead anyone astray.

[loveandgratitude]

WE need to be open to all and any possibilities at this stage. No one person can say for sure either way what really happened.
So many lies and so much deception on all levels, at every level. In the end, what was the result of 9/11,

END OF FREEDOM.

So many 9/11 truthers are cutting off their own creditibilty by attempting to argue in and amoungst themselves and this looses
all credibility for the movement. Divide and conquer once again.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

At some point, people need to decide what is what.
Its no good having an open mind for ever. Things need to be decided.
Besides which, I think anyone who watches the video I posted will agree that the orbs, balls, whatever you call them are no such thing.
Its obvious that its because of the resolution that the whole orb scenario came about in the first place.
Apply occoms razor. The simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.
Now we know the truth, we can move on. No need to be open minded about this particular clip any more. Its been solved. Hanging onto it when a very obvious rational explanation is available is not good science and helps nobody.
Lets move onto other aspects where we still need to be open minded.

[norman]

So, then what happened to all the people that were supposedly killed on those planes? Where are they?

Do you think the people who did this would even flinch at flying a plane ( or 2 or 3 or 4) of inocent people out over the Atlantic and blowing it up?

If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody was watching, did it really fall?

[Maia Gabrial]

The detoured flight paths they took - gave them ample time to either land the plane and remove the passengers, or to switch planes entirely. All of the planes suposidly involved in 9-11 took detoured flight pathes that went into areas where radar etc could not see them.

But what I want to know is WHERE are all those people today? They can't hide from their families and friends. The only explanation that makes sense is that the passengers never existed. Or the ones involved were in on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were CIA, NSA or some alphabet soup group. Of course, there's also the possibility that these passengers were taken off-world........................Nah! That would be stretching it too far.

[Maia Gabrial]

At some point, people need to decide what is what.
Its no good having an open mind for ever. Things need to be decided.
Besides which, I think anyone who watches the video I posted will agree that the orbs, balls, whatever you call them are no such thing.
Its obvious that its because of the resolution that the whole orb scenario came about in the first place.
Apply occoms razor. The simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.
Now we know the truth, we can move on. No need to be open minded about this particular clip any more. Its been solved. Hanging onto it when a very obvious rational explanation is available is not good science and helps nobody.
Lets move onto other aspects where we still need to be open minded.

The point is we DON'T KNOW the truth, but the evidence we've been given by the "authorities" doesn't hold up. You can accept the lie if you want to, EWO; but the rest of us don't or won't. WHY? Because the who thing STINKS to high hell. Even NBC and BBC were in on it.
More and more evidence is coming out. More and more people are putting their knowledge and skills to prove this was not as we're being told.
YOU can get on with it. People like me will keep searching out the TRUTH....no matter how far the lie goes or who it leads to....
THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!
And the murdered victims will be vindicated....

[Kindred]

This footage was 'analyzed' in 2007, two years BEFORE the "debunked" piece offered by Eyes Wide Open. This person Also saw anomalies in the video footage offered by the lame-stream media. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvUKZc58Gc&feature=related

I'll suggest that the original piece done by Richard D. Hall was an extremely viable examination of the various videos that were 'captured' on 9/11. http://www.richplanet.net/index.php

If you wish to 'debunk' such information, truly, you need to go to the source to see if they have withdrawn their offerings, or have made apologies for erroneous information.

I do Not see a retraction being made. Rather, they are in the process of enhancing the CAD study used to validate their analysis.

Maia - As to Where did all the people go?.... Unfortunately, I don't see an easy way to say this but, most likely, they were 'off'd' by the cabal gov't. TPTW can't have a bunch of people jeopardizing their grand plans.

I do remember seeing/reading a while ago that this indeed happened, but I'm having trouble finding the piece again. I'll further suggest that, since the "people" (and I use this term loosely!) that did this act were willing to kill thousands of innocents, what's a few hundred more, in their eyes? Also note that the transponders were 'shut off', just so they couldn't be tracked.

As TigaHawk pointed out, the rather circuitous routes of these planes provided more than enough time and diversion to interpose 'other' means of destruction, and divert the planes to other places.

I do think the order to Stand Down any intercept was done for two purposes;
1-prevent any unsuspecting service personnel from seeing the diversion actions.
2-They Needed the planes as a plausible explanation for the attack, Particularly if they planned on using accurately controllable electro-gavitic craft for this purpose.

I think we Need to keep ALL possibilities open, as these psychopaths will use Any means necessary (and they have a Lot of choices to pick from) to accomplish their goals.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The detoured flight paths they took - gave them ample time to either land the plane and remove the passengers, or to switch planes entirely. All of the planes suposidly involved in 9-11 took detoured flight pathes that went into areas where radar etc could not see them.

But what I want to know is WHERE are all those people today? They can't hide from their families and friends. The only explanation that makes sense is that the passengers never existed.

Or that they were on the plane. maybe that makes sense too. geez!

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This footage was 'analyzed' in 2007, two years BEFORE the "debunked" piece offered by Eyes Wide Open. This person Also saw anomalies in the video footage offered by the lame-stream media. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvUKZc58Gc&feature=related



that is not the footage we are talking about. you are getting confused. this thread is about the so called orbs.

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If you wish to 'debunk' such information, truly, you need to go to the source

I agree. the original source footage is higher rez and shows a plane. the end.

the ONLY way forward is hard evidence that can be taken to court. nano-thermite is one example.

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Also, dont label me a debunker. I am just trying to dispel a few myths. if you want to ignore the evidence that I provided , thats your choice. can you refute what i say regarding the video in this thread using proof? I notice nobody has so far.
also do not jump to the conclusion that i think the official story is true. Where did I say that? Please search my posts to understand a bit more about where I am coming from.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I have posted hints of big news regarding nano-thermite. not one person has even asked what that news might be. instead, they prefer to focus on hollogrammes. sigh.

[Maia Gabrial]

EWO,
You can mock all you like, I don't agree with your reasoning. You're one of those people who believes everything the govt tells you, right? Or you're one of those in league with the perpetrators to keep the lies going? NOT BUYING INTO THE BS no matter what YOU say! I'm siding with all the explosive experts, witness testimonies and First Responders. And the truth WILL come out....
Sheesh!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Maia - show me where I mocked you please. Quote me. Also, I suggest you read my post again. You seem to have only read what you wanted to read. Again, please quote me where I say I think the official story is true. I think you have misunderstood me in your haste to post.

Not blowing my own trumpet but I can pretty much be sure I have done more to support 9/11 truth than anyone else in this thread. I can give details if you like but its not my style.

[Ecnal61]

this film was first put out by Richard D Hall over a year ago and he surmised that the sphere was some advanced tech packed with explosive that was then disguised using state of the art holographic tech to make the sphere look like a plane,and why should we not consider this,our alien friends are supposed to be thousands of years ahead of us but as a lot of you know we are catching up fast and so this could be easily achieved. and to top it all off just point your particle beam weapon/scaler at a twin tower of your choice and hey presto you`ve got one very big pile of rubble.

[markoid]

I have posted hints of big news regarding nano-thermite. not one person has even asked what that news might be. instead, they prefer to focus on hollogrammes. sigh.

If you have some information that is relevant to the truth.. JUST SAY IT!!! Do you want us to bow down and beg for your superior knowledge or what?

[KiwiElf]

I was watching CNN live just before the second plane hit the WTC. The "aircraft" flew in from the right hand side of the picture, banking to the left towards the viewer. What struck me as odd was the "aircraft" was completely black. Now given the time of day, it should have been reflecting silver aluminium, not a black silouette. Interesting to see that recent reconstruction docos have shown believable CGI "United Airlines" planes.

Furthermore, only about 8% of witnesses actually saw a plane of any description (they were looking somewhere else). The infamous footage (various) of the 2nd plane could have easily been added to the video after the fact and people generally believe what they see on TV as being "real".

Advanced military holographic technologies are well documented and this scenario is quite plausible given the information available and if one looks at the overwhelming evidence of advanced and largely hidden technology.

Another video (I'm sorry, I don't have a ref for this - please do a search - I originally saw it on YouTube shortly after 9/11 and the first discrepancies began to emerge), shows a wide angle view of the NY city scape and the second aircraft striking the WTC, ANOTHER object can be seen moving at incredible speed from right to left of the picture. This particular video has to be slowed down to see it as this "fast moving object" is only present in about 4 frames - this is less than a second. A still picture taken near the WTC also captured what appears to be the rear end of some type of "aircraft" that looks very much like one of the so called "secret aircraft".

The fact that thermite was found does not UNDO the "ball" or real aircraft packed with explosives, or hologram theory or particle beam weaponry being used. A radio controlled aircraft (holographic, ball or otherwise) is quite feasible. The clearer footage mentioned was made available AFTER the ball footage was taken and probably doctored. It's not unreasonable to assume that different viewing angles may affect the way one perceives a hologram. Evidence and photographic analysis suggests that some witnesses captured what could be the holographic image of the "aircraft breaking up" before it struck, ie parts of the wings appear to fade out. It seems bizarre to me that the aircraft just "slipped through" the walls of the WTC as if they weren't even there. Explosives could easily have been placed in the WTC in the "shape" of the aircraft in the week leading up to the strike when all the security was temporarily taken off line for "maintenence" and bomb sniffer dogs removed. How convenient :)

Also on that live CNN feed, an enormous amount of yellowish smoke was seen and explosions reported coming out of the WTC at ground basement level well BEFORE the towers collapsed, which would easily explain the thermite.

I have never seen that footage since.

[ThePythonicCow]

Please search my posts to understand a bit more about where I am coming from.
Yes, indeed, you have been clear and strong in your views on 9/11. At the risk of mis-representing your views, I recall that you have held the position that the WTC towers came down by controlled demolition, and that a real commercial passenger jet hit the Pentagon.

Almost a year ago (from my search) I see you posted a major thread on the topic: 9/11 - definitive proof of explosives at last. BRAND NEW FOOTAGE and more on the way! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5650-9-11-definitive-proof-of-explosives-at-last.-BRAND-NEW-FOOTAGE-and-more-on-the-way-).

A major post on that thread was Post #41 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5650-9-11-definitive-proof-of-explosives-at-last.-BRAND-NEW-FOOTAGE-and-more-on-the-way-&p=56191&viewfull=1#post56191), which began with:
O.K. guys - here we go.... I can now go ahead and post the info - its all up and running. Please dont leech the torrent! Be fair. :-)

As we announced on August 31, 2010, the International Center for 9/11 Studies has secured the release of tens of thousands of photographs, and hundreds of hours of video footage, from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) under the Freedom of Information Act. We are working on ways to get this data in the hands of interested researchers, we need the communities help to examine this material, much of which has not been seen before.

We are pleased to announce that we have made our first release of this material available for download. This first release is the "NIST Cumulus Video" folder which is part of the NIST Cumulus Database we received. It contains over 6500 video clips that NIST used in its investigation.
So far, my take on 9/11 does not agree with yours, EYES WIDE OPEN. My copy of "Where Did the Towers Go? -- Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11", by Judy Wood, just arrived in the mail today. From what I've seen and heard of her interviews, I am looking forward to this book.

The lies regarding 9/11 go several layers deep. This can help feed dissension and conflict amongst those trying to understand those events. Let's not feed that conflict with scorn, ridicule, sarcasm, teasing, hints of "more to come", and any of the numerous other rhetorical fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies) available to those who would muddy the waters of healthy and insightful discourse.

[Buck]

Maia - showed me where I mocked you please. Quote me. Also, I suggest you read my post again. You seem to have only read what you wanted to read. Again, please quote me where I say I think the official story is true. I think you have misunderstood me in your haste to post.

Not blowing my own trumpet but I can pretty much be sure I have done more to support 9/11 truth than anyone else in this thread. I can give details if you like but its not my style.

EWO, I cannot speak to the rest of your comments on other threads, but when I read comments such as "I can pretty much be sure I have done more to support 9/11 truth than anyone else in this thread" or "I can give details if you like but its not my style" telegraph a sort of partronizing condescension that reek of elitism.

Put the ego back on it's leash where it belongs. We will hear you so much better without all the yapping and sniping.

[Kindred]

Dear EWO... I'm sorry you took my post as an affront to your "debunk" post. I certainly did not intend to make anyone think you were the 'debunker', but that you simply offered another viewpoint, via a piece titled "Debunked"...

That said, I have become more than suspicious of any video due to the nature of electronic media that, with the proper training and sufficient time, can easily be altered significantly. It is to Richard D. Hall's credit that he has taken the time and effort to tediously deconstruct the videos in question, and show the anomalies for what they depict, in technical terms through said careful analysis. That there are other analytical videos by people who also find fault with the 'videos of record' of this atrocity, only supports the analysis offered by Richard D. Hall, IMHO.

I feel that the majority of us here on PA agree that the attacks on 9-11 were a Highly coordinated act by tptw, whether it be of U.S. and/or Mossad and/or Other origin, for the sole purpose of instigating an excuse for a larger conflict. It was Not solely the product of some ill-trained Saudi hijackers armed with box-cutters.

As stated by Many others, the larger question become "Who Benefits".

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I have posted hints of big news regarding nano-thermite. not one person has even asked what that news might be. instead, they prefer to focus on hollogrammes. sigh.

If you have some information that is relevant to the truth.. JUST SAY IT!!! Do you want us to bow down and beg for your superior knowledge or what?

No. not at all. I posted multiple times how richard halls video is easily explained. he started with a poor source. if he had started with the high rez, then there would have been no mystery.
It was ignored many times.
This causes me to lose motivation in posting other sruff.
Why try and bring new evidence and new explanations to light when nobody wants to read it?
The whole reason I only mentioned the news was to see if there was any interest. And there wasnt.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Maia - showed me where I mocked you please. Quote me. Also, I suggest you read my post again. You seem to have only read what you wanted to read. Again, please quote me where I say I think the official story is true. I think you have misunderstood me in your haste to post.

Not blowing my own trumpet but I can pretty much be sure I have done more to support 9/11 truth than anyone else in this thread. I can give details if you like but its not my style.

EWO, I cannot speak to the rest of your comments on other threads, but when I read comments such as "I can pretty much be sure I have done more to support 9/11 truth than anyone else in this thread" or "I can give details if you like but its not my style" telegraph a sort of partronizing condescension that reek of elitism.

Put the ego back on it's leash where it belongs. We will hear you so much better without all the yapping and sniping.

Hey, look, maya said I mocked her. I asked to show me where I mocked her. She has not because I didnt.
She said I beilve the offical story. I asked her to show me where I said that,. She didnt because I never said that.
I really dont think this is about my ego.
Its about people jumping to conclusions.
How would any of you feel if I said you were disinfo? Would you just take it or would you try to defend yoursel and correct the mistake?

Reagrding what I do for 9/11 turth, sorry if that came across as if I was boasting.
I was not and can see that it would look like i was.
It just frustartes me. I am incontact with various 9/11 familiy members and corrospond with Sibel Edmonds and a number of other things.

For the record I have also been critical of Richard Gage.

I dont mean to cause offense to anybody.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Forgot to say that the news I talked about if anyone is interested is that niels harret has some new early results regarding carbon nano-tubes being found in the lungs of first repsonders. Nano-tubes can only be formed with high temps and Iron and Carbon being present. All of these were present went the towers collpased and are also present in nanothermite. The condition were perfect for the creation of the nano-tubes. This is another nail in the coffin who think explosives were not present on 9/11.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Please search my posts to understand a bit more about where I am coming from.
Yes, indeed, you have been clear and strong in your views on 9/11. At the risk of mis-representing your views, I recall that you have held the position that the WTC towers came down by controlled demolition, and that a real commercial passenger jet hit the Pentagon.

Almost a year ago (from my search) I see you posted a major thread on the topic: 9/11 - definitive proof of explosives at last. BRAND NEW FOOTAGE and more on the way! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5650-9-11-definitive-proof-of-explosives-at-last.-BRAND-NEW-FOOTAGE-and-more-on-the-way-).

A major post on that thread was Post #41 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5650-9-11-definitive-proof-of-explosives-at-last.-BRAND-NEW-FOOTAGE-and-more-on-the-way-&p=56191&viewfull=1#post56191), which began with:
O.K. guys - here we go.... I can now go ahead and post the info - its all up and running. Please dont leech the torrent! Be fair. :-)

As we announced on August 31, 2010, the International Center for 9/11 Studies has secured the release of tens of thousands of photographs, and hundreds of hours of video footage, from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) under the Freedom of Information Act. We are working on ways to get this data in the hands of interested researchers, we need the communities help to examine this material, much of which has not been seen before.

We are pleased to announce that we have made our first release of this material available for download. This first release is the "NIST Cumulus Video" folder which is part of the NIST Cumulus Database we received. It contains over 6500 video clips that NIST used in its investigation.

So far, my take on 9/11 does not agree with yours, EYES WIDE OPEN.
.

Thats fair enough. :) I have no problem with that. The world would be very dull if we all agreed!
I just have a problem with those that ignore evidence and irrationaly cling to things that have been explained.

Thanks for finding that old quote. Boy did that thread go on! :) To think that NIST wanted to keep all those clips unseen!

[Buck]

EWO, your reply adds another dimension to this exchange- this feels more like a conversation.

[ThePythonicCow]

Forgot to say that the news I talked about if anyone is interested is that niels harret has some new early results regarding carbon nano-tubes being found in the lungs of first repsonders. Nano-tubes can only be formed with high temps and Iron and Carbon being present. All of these were present went the towers collpased and are also present in nanothermite. The condition were perfect for the creation of the nano-tubes. This is another nail in the coffin who think explosives were not present on 9/11.
Something that makes very high temperatures was present, I'll agree on that.

Is this what you're referring to, EYES WIDE OPEN: Case Report: Lung DiseaseWorld Trade Center Responders 
Exposed to Dust and Smoke: Carbon Nanotubes Found in the Lungs 
of World Trade Center Patients and Dust Samples (http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.0901159)


Maoxin Wu, Ronald E. Gordon, Robin Herbert, Maria Padilla, Jacqueline Moline, David Mendelson, Virginia Litle, William D. Travis, Joan Gil

Abstract

Context: After the collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) on 11 September 2001, a dense cloud of dust containing high levels of airborne pollutants covered Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn, New York. Between 60,000 and 70,000 responders were exposed. Many reported adverse health effects.

Case presentation: In this report we describe clinical, pathologic, and mineralogic findings in seven previously healthy responders who were exposed to WTC dust on either 11 September or 12 September 2001, who developed severe respiratory impairment or unexplained radiologic findings and underwent video-assisted thoracoscopic surgical lung biopsy procedures at Mount Sinai Medical Center. WTC dust samples were also examined. We found that three of the seven responders had severe or moderate restrictive disease clinically. Histopathology showed interstitial lung disease consistent with small airways disease, bronchiolocentric parenchymal disease, and nonnecrotizing granulomatous condition. Tissue mineralogic analyses showed variable amounts of sheets of aluminum and magnesium silicates, chrysotile asbestos, calcium phosphate, and calcium sulfate. Small shards of glass containing mostly silica and magnesium were also found. Carbon nanotubes (CNT) of various sizes and lengths were noted. CNT were also identified in four of seven WTC dust samples.

Discussion: These findings confirm the previously reported association between WTC dust exposure and bronchiolar and interstitial lung disease. Long-term monitoring of responders will be needed to elucidate the full extent of this problem. The finding of CNT in both WTC dust and lung tissues is unexpected and requires further study.

Citation: Wu M, Gordon RE, Herbert R, Padilla M, Moline J, Mendelson D, et al. 2010. Case Report: Lung Disease in World Trade Center Responders 
Exposed to Dust and Smoke: Carbon Nanotubes Found in the Lungs 
of World Trade Center Patients and Dust Samples. Environ Health Perspect 118:499-504. http://dx.doi.org/10.1289/ehp.0901159

Received: 01 July 2009; Accepted: 04 December 2009; Online: 04 December 2009

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Yes. thats it. that paper and another was the basis of the new research. Niels will write a new peer reviewed paper that includes 2 extra control groups. I will reserve full judgement but this even more proof of explosives as there really is no other way nano-tubes could be present in the amount they are.

[ThePythonicCow]

... but this even more proof of explosives as there really is no other way nano-tubes could be present in the amount they are.

Well ... not so much the "explosives" are the key element here, as is the high heat.

Three of the four scenarios I know of off-hand could produce such heat: thermite, nuclear or directed energy.

Office and petro fires I presume could not produce such heat ... but most of us here agree that this was not simply a petro and office fire.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

... but this even more proof of explosives as there really is no other way nano-tubes could be present in the amount they are.

Well ... not so much the "explosives" are the key element here, as is the high heat.

Three of the four scenarios I know of off-hand could produce such heat: thermite, nuclear or directed energy.


True. In my opnion energy weapons and nukes can be ruled out as nanothermite can account for all of the phenomenon the towers exhibit with having to resort to such exotic weapons that are in the end compleatly theoretical and unproovable in a court. Judy wood was thrown out of court for having no evidence after all....
We already have the unexploded nanothermite chips. They are real and you can touch them.
This means there was a theory that nano-thermite may have been present.
Move forward a year or two and hay presto, we find nano-thermite.
This means the theory was correct and confirmed.
This means there is far more evidence for nano-thermite than the other 2 options. I am not saying they do not exist, just that I see no strong evidence for them. The evidence that is claimed to support the nukes / energy weapons idea much more easily supports the nano-thermite scenario. Energy weapons and nukes IMO do not account for what we see happening to the towers.
However, Nano-thermite DOES account for it.
For me, the other 2 options are just not strong enough to hold water.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey, look, maya said I mocked her. I asked to show me where I mocked her. She has not because I didnt.
She said I beilve the offical story. I asked her to show me where I said that,. She didnt because I never said that.
I really dont think this is about my ego.
Its about people jumping to conclusions.
How would any of you feel if I said you were disinfo? Would you just take it or would you try to defend yoursel and correct the mistake?

Reagrding what I do for 9/11 turth, sorry if that came across as if I was boasting.
I was not and can see that it would look like i was.
It just frustartes me. I am incontact with various 9/11 familiy members and corrospond with Sibel Edmonds and a number of other things.

For the record I have also been critical of Richard Gage.

I dont mean to cause offense to anybody.

I just got on the forum, so now I'll explain myself.
IMO if it sounds like debunking, then it's debunking. And that's the way you come across, EWO. You'll have to pardon me if I don't take YOU as the
authority on this matter. Just as it is with everyone else, all you can do is present your opinions and back it with something you think backs your truth. Then it's up to each individual to decide for themselves....

I CAN BE convinced with the truth. But so far, I'm not convinced that that circular object was a plane. The whole "attack" by planes on the WTC doesn't look genuine. And the lack of bodies is fishy, too.That's the reason why I didn't even consider that there were passengers on those planes.... "geez".
I will hold steadfast to my theories for now, until the REAL truth comes out. The "official story" by the govt hasn't given anyone, including me any reason to believe it. It's already proven that it was a poorly conducted investigation.... And suspiciously, they were quick to get all the evidence out of the country, or wherever it is they hide things from the public. Suspicious deaths of witnesses also makes you wonder what's up. The whole 9/11 is a debacle that our govt and it's co-conspirators hadn't really thought out very well. They arrogantly assumed that with the technologies they had, they could pull this off, thinking that Americans (and people in general) were just plain morons who wouldn't know the difference, didn't stop them from executing this devious farce. IMO they shouldn't have thought to do this attack in the first place. Decent people don't think like this....But you know how it is with power-hungry murderers - they can't help themselves....

Just so you know, EWO, I don't let people do my thinking for me.

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Just so you know, EWO, I don't let people do my thinking for me.


I never said you let others do your thinking for you. No need to be so defensive. I am glad you dont let people do your thinking for you. I am sure we are all independent minded on here.

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all you can do is present your opinions and back it with something you think backs your truth. Then it's up to each individual to decide for themselves....



Agreed. Taking into consideration the quote from you above, why have you called me a debunker just because I dont agree with you on certain topics? As you state above, there is nothing wrong with posting evidence to back up claims.
I posted evidence that exlpains why the video in question has a rational explanation - does that make me a debunker? Calling me a debunker seems like a kneejerk reaction because I dont agree with you. Maybe I am wrong about that?

Regarding the video - you would have to discount all the other videos that clearly show a jet.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. But please, do not call me a debunker. Best wishes.

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Here is a higher qulaity clip. (480) Watch in full screen ( I did have a 720 res clip of this event but cant find right now)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA1muyTbpD4
- you can just see the wings. A side by side video analysis of the low res and high res version makes the differnces clear. In yhe 720 version its even more obvious. Hope this helps.