Here and Now...What's Happening?

[araucaria]

When we live closely and intimately with another person, we really get to witness and experience what that person is really, truly like. One cannot hide from the one who knows them the best. In light of this I can say sincerely that 'Another Bob' is not only not a troll nor a 'know-it-all' but rather he is one of the most thoughtful, insightful, compassionate, and also humble persons that I've ever had the great blessing to know. To see someone abused or treated shoddily, either here or in our lives, I've seen tears come to Bob's eyes at even the thought of someone being harmed or maligned unfairly. To know him, is to Love him. If ever you want a real Friend who would never put himself above another as better or smarter or more clever, then Bob's your beautiful man for that. I am compelled to say these things here because he is so very dear to me and I wish to set the record straight about his nature, from one who actually knows him inside and out. "Let the Beauty we Love, be what we do." ~ Rumi

We need to distinguish between a troll, i.e. a full-time mischief maker, and the trolling activity, in which we have probably all engaged, if only for the space of a single post, with or without the intention, but with the effect, of (partially) derailing a thread.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well, maybe we have all just died and are now born again?
Born again Villagers?
Born again Avalonians?
This is how death en masse happens...like, no one even notices.

how sad to hear this from you Ulli, I missed the fireworks, but with all the help you gave others, looks like it is time for us to direct some healing energy your way...


the Ulli I know would be saying this is how Life en masse happens... ;)

[sleepy]

xxxx xxxxxx

[ulli]

When we live closely and intimately with another person, we really get to witness and experience what that person is really, truly like. One cannot hide from the one who knows them the best. In light of this I can say sincerely that 'Another Bob' is not only not a troll nor a 'know-it-all' but rather he is one of the most thoughtful, insightful, compassionate, and also humble persons that I've ever had the great blessing to know. To see someone abused or treated shoddily, either here or in our lives, I've seen tears come to Bob's eyes at even the thought of someone being harmed or maligned unfairly. To know him, is to Love him. If ever you want a real Friend who would never put himself above another as better or smarter or more clever, then Bob's your beautiful man for that. I am compelled to say these things here because he is so very dear to me and I wish to set the record straight about his nature, from one who actually knows him inside and out. "Let the Beauty we Love, be what we do." ~ Rumi

At this point we really don't know for sure if he was really called that.
This matter needs to be taken up with the moderators. or a new thread.
Last night a moderator mentioned the rule about not preaching,
and he responded by posting a picture of a man flogging a dead horse,
which upset several members including the mod against whom it was directed.
He became very annoyed when that picture was shown again,
with a dotted line, meaning no comment.
His annoyance had been evident for more than 24 hours, because I yanked Jencis chain in a minor way, but which made her storm out of here. That post will soon be presented for all to see.

So bob has friends, and the various liaisons are causing a chain reaction now,
which reminds me of the various treaties of European nations which created the chain reaction before WW1.

If everyone put up that picture every time bob repeated one of his points re moving past the mind,
and which most of us already do, as regular meditators.
this thread would look like a 18th century battle field after the battle was over.

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Well, maybe we have all just died and are now born again?
Born again Villagers?
Born again Avalonians?
This is how death en masse happens...like, no one even notices.

how sad to hear this from you Ulli, I missed the fireworks, but with all the help you gave others, looks like it is time for us to direct some healing energy your way...


the Ulli I know would be saying this is how Life en masse happens... ;)

That's exactly my point. In my dying agony I discovered that there was no moderator around to close the thread.
So it just continued.
Me sitting here thinking, "are we dead yet?"

[RunningDeer]

Post off topic.

[Rocky_Shorz]

When we live closely and intimately with another person, we really get to witness and experience what that person is really, truly like. One cannot hide from the one who knows them the best. In light of this I can say sincerely that 'Another Bob' is not only not a troll nor a 'know-it-all' but rather he is one of the most thoughtful, insightful, compassionate, and also humble persons that I've ever had the great blessing to know. To see someone abused or treated shoddily, either here or in our lives, I've seen tears come to Bob's eyes at even the thought of someone being harmed or maligned unfairly. To know him, is to Love him. If ever you want a real Friend who would never put himself above another as better or smarter or more clever, then Bob's your beautiful man for that. I am compelled to say these things here because he is so very dear to me and I wish to set the record straight about his nature, from one who actually knows him inside and out. "Let the Beauty we Love, be what we do." ~ Rumi

At this point we really don't know for sure if he was really called that.
This matter needs to be taken up with the moderators. or a new thread.
Last night a moderator mentioned the rule about not preaching,
and he responded by posting a picture of a man flogging a dead horse,
which upset several members including the mod against whom it was directed.
He became very annoyed when that picture was shown again,
with a dotted line, meaning no comment.
His annoyance had been evident for more than 24 hours, because I yanked Jencis chain in a minor way, but which made her storm out of here. That post will soon be presented for all to see.

So bob has friends, and the various liaisons are causing a chain reaction now,
which reminds me of the various treaties of European nations which created the chain reaction before WW1.

If everyone put up that picture every time bob repeated one of his points re moving past the mind,
and which most of us already do, as regular meditators.
this thread would look like a 18th century battle field after the battle was over.

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Well, maybe we have all just died and are now born again?
Born again Villagers?
Born again Avalonians?
This is how death en masse happens...like, no one even notices.

how sad to hear this from you Ulli, I missed the fireworks, but with all the help you gave others, looks like it is time for us to direct some healing energy your way...


the Ulli I know would be saying this is how Life en masse happens... ;)

That's exactly my point. In my dying agony I discovered that there was no moderator around to close the thread.
So it just continued.
Me sitting here thinking, "are we dead yet?"

This has been the Book of Avalon since you started it, most of us just have quietly followed along getting to know many of our members, you know I'm very forgiving, (thank God) so for me, I stand beside Bob and you my friend...

and I'm so big neither of you two can see each other...

now a book this special deserves the perfect ending so will you two just give each other a huggg... ;)

[DeDukshyn]

...

That's exactly my point. In my dying agony i discovered that there was no moderator around to close the thread.
So it just continued.
Me sitting here thinking, "are we dead yet?"

lolz ;) ;)

[Sierra]

We need to distinguish between a troll, i.e. a full-time mischief maker, and the trolling activity, in which we have probably all engaged, if only for the space of a single post, with or without the intention, but with the effect, of (partially) derailing a thread.

Amen Araucaria, amen. Blown out of proportion this tempest.

Damn. Ten pages behind. Wanted to post Bombay babies and pictures of the back yard fall foliage.

Mod hat off.

Strangers to the village getting in the middle, certainly not part of the solution. Both AB and Jenci are perfectly capable of making up their own minds on how to handle the conflict. They are not whiny baby victims that require someone who has never posted on this thread to step in and insult. At least, I do not perceive them that way. At. All. They are self-professed Buddhists, hello.

I cannot see how a non member of the village who has never posted as a villager, can be part of the solution, and why would you want to be part of the problem? Expand the polarity? What for? Do you think Jenci or AB (considering they *are* Buddhists) would appreciate this behavior? Need this behavior?

Thinking very hard here, they wouldn't. I know they wouldn't. They are loved, they know they are loved, the entire village is aware the energies Uranus/Pluto/Full Moon are intense right now, and we need clarity, not polarity.

I think it would be a good idea to keep the discussion between villagers, who know and love ALL the parties concerned. And this silly polarized "thanking" bit. Never happened on the H&N thread before. Like gnats or flies buzzing around when one tries to read ... wtf?

Ulli, I know you own this thread but it would really grit my teeth to have the Village thread closed just as strangers came in (in attack mode). I ask, no victory for those attempting to disrupt or derail the thread. Yeah. I ask.

We all have sticky outty bits that have to grind sometimes. And with the energies as they are, let's take the grinding with lots of loving and thrice blessed water spraying on the contact points.

Mod hat on.

Ulli, you say the word, and I will close the thread. But please. Don't. If we must close down the village, let me get the grit out of my teeth first. Ugh. Not on a sour nasty divisive note like this. I don't believe there is a single villager who wants that.

OK, Bombay baby pictures later. :) (If the Village is still here ... )

Love, Sierra :grouphug:

[1inMany]

Ulli, mods, this is just a thought, so please don't jump all over me. Just an idea. In the past, when things get a little out of hand one way or another, a second thread is opened and some posts are moved.

Is that a possibility here?

Sierra, I would like to thank your post a lot more times than once.

[astrid]

Lets all put our energies together and intend
for a peaceful resolution here, we can do this
We can work this through and come out stronger
and wiser and more loving

Chaos might look like the end but its also a whole
new beginning .

[DeDukshyn]

Ulli, mods, this is just a thought, so please don't jump all over me. Just an idea. In the past, when things get a little out of hand one way or another, a second thread is opened and some posts are moved.

Is that a possibility here?

I say no. Since we'll be back on track here in just a little bit, I say leave it a s a testament to the strength and endurance of the love of this community.

My 2 cents ;)

[RunningDeer]

(Photo compliments of Calz)
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Animals/bluejay.JPG

[NancyV]

I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

[christian]

closed as requested by OP

[Sierra]

Lets all put our energies together and intend
for a peaceful resolution here, we can do this
We can work this through and come out stronger
and wiser and more loving

Chaos might look like the end but its also a whole
new beginning .

Yup. One of the things I've learned in the Village is to fight with my husband, get it out, don't wait. Terrifying, absolutely terrifying process. End result? Our squabbles last five minutes (if even that) instead of hours or days. My husband begged me in the past to tell him when I'm upset but I just couldn't hear him, couldn't believe him.

It took a little astrological interpretation of our charts to understand the issue, and step out in faith to practice being snappy. To see what would happen. :)

Sierra

[Sierra]

Private message from Ulli: Please reopen the thread.

Done. :)

[araucaria]

@sleepy, post #20253, my reply with quote button seems to have disappeared :) ?*

All I am saying is that a screen name is a here & now poem much shorter than a haiku. It is dated 24 January of last year, and still fits me like a glove :)

Edit: * apparently posting while thread closed

[ulli]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.

[DeDukshyn]

I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

I love you Nancy and thus I have to tell you, this just falls into the energy patterns that started this whole speedbump -- which namely is people having a propensity toward having their feelings hurt and responding to those feelings. Think about it -- it's the single disruptive energy that was here for all this, but it has a tendency to grow into other energies really fast.

I'm pretty sure no one really intended to hurt anyone here on this thread anywhere.



Now, let's get back to "Here and Now"

I just finished watching the video on the thread "****s going to hit the fan soon and here's proof!" -- I usually avoid videos with titles like that but this one sums everything up pretty quickly, and it still paints a bit of a doom and gloom, but does not hype it or glorify it. Better than I was expecting anyway.

[NancyV]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.
So I take it those rules applied to all the villagers but not to you?

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I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

I love you Nancy and thus I have to tell you, this just falls into the energy patterns that started this whole speedbump -- which namely is people having a propensity toward having their feelings hurt and responding to those feelings. Think about it -- it's the single disruptive energy that was here for all this, but it has a tendency to grow into other energies really fast.

I'm pretty sure no one really intended to hurt anyone here on this thread anywhere.

Now, let's get back to "Here and Now"

I just finished watching the video on the thread "****s going to hit the fan soon and here's proof!" -- I usually avoid videos with titles like that but this one sums everything up pretty quickly, and it still paints a bit of a doom and gloom, but does not hype it or glorify it. Better than I was expecting anyway.
I love you too, DeDuk! Don't always have to agree with someone to love them.

[ulli]

Lets all put our energies together and intend
for a peaceful resolution here, we can do this
We can work this through and come out stronger
and wiser and more loving

Chaos might look like the end but its also a whole
new beginning .

Yup. One of the things I've learned in the Village is to fight with my husband, get it out, don't wait. Terrifying, absolutely terrifying process. End result? Our squabbles last five minutes (if even that) instead of hours or days. My husband begged me in the past to tell him when I'm upset but I just couldn't hear him, couldn't believe him.

It took a little astrological interpretation of our charts to understand the issue, and step out in faith to practice being snappy. To see what would happen. :)

Sierra

Great sharing there and I'm happy for both of you.
Only open consultation can dispel the disunity.
All sides have the same rights, including thread owners and mods, and forum owners.
And to overreact to a thread owners mis-chosen words is still an over-reaction based on
a prejudice against those who have some privileges.

[araucaria]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.
So I take it those rules applied to all the villagers but not to you?

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I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

I love you Nancy and thus I have to tell you, this just falls into the energy patterns that started this whole speedbump -- which namely is people having a propensity toward having their feelings hurt and responding to those feelings. Think about it -- it's the single disruptive energy that was here for all this, but it has a tendency to grow into other energies really fast.

I'm pretty sure no one really intended to hurt anyone here on this thread anywhere.

Now, let's get back to "Here and Now"

I just finished watching the video on the thread "****s going to hit the fan soon and here's proof!" -- I usually avoid videos with titles like that but this one sums everything up pretty quickly, and it still paints a bit of a doom and gloom, but does not hype it or glorify it. Better than I was expecting anyway.
I love you too, DeDuk! Don't always have to agree with someone to love them.

Come on Nancy, give it a rest; it must be very late in Vancouver :) People in the US were saying goodnight a couple of hours ago. :)

[DeDukshyn]

....
I love you too, DeDuk! Don't always have to agree with someone to love them.

;)
I find myself compelled to be extremely honest with those I respect - most find themselves to be more pandering, but I see that as disservice and why provide a disservice to your friends?

So if anyone ever finds me on their case -- it is a good thing ;)

[Sierra]

I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

Mod hat off.

The REAL picture is:


I never said you were a stranger to the forum, nor a stranger to me, merely to this thread. That is a deceptive statement to make. A self serving statement.
Nor did I mention count or quantity as a prerequisite qualifier to posting.
The hostility, taking an opportunity to attack when one is not a part of the problem or solution, and does not have a history on this thread, is the issue, not the count or quantity.
Your very first and only post on the thread? Hello. You don't see? How odd.

[Flash]

If you reopen the thread, I give you the permission to post the following on it. I had written it but lost it when I came to post because the thread was closed.

Here it goes:
From Ulli "Im responding to the bolded part. The imagined slights of others and of self. And the "nobody" ....
" Nobody?" You are speaking on behalf of others, as if you know for sure?
The lines are blurring again.

The moment someone steps up to another, and perceiving a flaw, points it out, the other feels forced to make a split decision...respond or ignore.

When the pressure is increased the response may not come out as fine-tuned as it normally would,
and that's when someone's communication skills become apparent.
I'm here on an open forum, where I'm talking with people I have never met before, and some of whom may not have my best interest at heart, nor that of the Village."

If I understood well, I just, for the first time, truly start getting a glimpse at the thread's experience or what we may call Ulli's experience. I had felt it before, knew it was something special, but my mind was not up there yet.

You are saying that we can, here, hold or own ourselves completely, entirely. The experience is one of owning oneself. No need for generalisation, no need for talking for others, no need for religious thinking or teachng, if I am owning myself completely. Generalisations, religious ideas or talking for others is only used to emphasize my owning of myself.

The problem with generalisation, religious teachings, talking for others is that they are the premises for dualism and lost of oneself.

You want here to offer an environment that is protected/protective for owning oneself completely. This is the law of Ulli's land (metaphorically speaking). Getting in the depth of oneself, sharing the ownership joy and sadness, owning oneself completely.

No need to give lessons, just comments from oneself. No need to judge, owning oneself. Duality has disappeared, nothing to replace it (forget the dualistic thinking of " all one versus present dualities").

Am I right? Is it what it is about?

If so, I have never seen such a proposition anywhere much less on any forum. It litterally makes my tears come up and my heart ring a charade stabilising at another level. (sorry Carmody for a glimpse of my beliefs appearing again, I work with who I presently am ;) )

This is what I felt so special about the thread and the group of people on it, this "all in it being themselves, owning oneself" whichever oneself we are.

[RunningDeer]

Beginnings are endings turned inside out.
Endings are beginnings turned inside out.

Peace Love Harmony

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Thank_You/26.jpg

[Flash]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.
So I take it those rules applied to all the villagers but not to you?

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I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

I love you Nancy and thus I have to tell you, this just falls into the energy patterns that started this whole speedbump -- which namely is people having a propensity toward having their feelings hurt and responding to those feelings. Think about it -- it's the single disruptive energy that was here for all this, but it has a tendency to grow into other energies really fast.

I'm pretty sure no one really intended to hurt anyone here on this thread anywhere.

Now, let's get back to "Here and Now"

I just finished watching the video on the thread "****s going to hit the fan soon and here's proof!" -- I usually avoid videos with titles like that but this one sums everything up pretty quickly, and it still paints a bit of a doom and gloom, but does not hype it or glorify it. Better than I was expecting anyway.
I love you too, DeDuk! Don't always have to agree with someone to love them.

Come on Nancy, give it a rest; it must be very late in Vancouver :) People in the US were saying goodnight a couple of hours ago. :)

You have it upside down with time Auracaria (can never be quite sure if I spelled that name right). It is early morning in Vancouver. :p Lots and lots of coffee.

[RunningDeer]

Welcome

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/emptiness.jpg

[Flash]

Lets all put our energies together and intend
for a peaceful resolution here, we can do this
We can work this through and come out stronger
and wiser and more loving

Chaos might look like the end but its also a whole
new beginning .

Yup. One of the things I've learned in the Village is to fight with my husband, get it out, don't wait. Terrifying, absolutely terrifying process. End result? Our squabbles last five minutes (if even that) instead of hours or days. My husband begged me in the past to tell him when I'm upset but I just couldn't hear him, couldn't believe him.

It took a little astrological interpretation of our charts to understand the issue, and step out in faith to practice being snappy. To see what would happen. :)

Sierra

Last Friday night, I was in one of those moods (the killer one) and my daughter came home in the same mood. By dinner time, it was obvious that fight would start. Feeling this, I wondered at fast speed what I wanted. I wanted the fume to get out without harm. I asked her how she felt, she said bitchy. Then I said, ok, lets have a bitching contest. Which can bitch the best and the loudest.

We start with her school, me with my work. So we started, being very upsetting and really at one point, clearly exagerating, both of us. Then we took her father, then me, then her, then her boyfriend, it was so obvioulsy exagerated that we started to laugh and making jokes, yet the fume was out. No damages. Warning: this technic only works with hot latin blood people :p

[ulli]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.
So I take it those rules applied to all the villagers but not to you?

.

Maybe you should ask some of the other Villagers that question. Open a thread and start asking.
You will get answers.
Not all agree with me and when they really get on my case I tell then to open their own thread.
This world can never work by invading others territories, or disturb their peace and comfort zones.
There has to be respect.

[Sierra]

Last Friday night, I was in one of those moods (the killer one) and my daughter came home in the same mood. By dinner time, it was obvious that fight would start. Feeling this, I wondered at fast speed what I wanted. I wanted the fume to get out without harm. I asked her how she felt, she said bitchy. Then I said, ok, lets have a bitching contest. Which can bitch the best and the loudest.

We start with her school, me with my work. So we started, being very upsetting and really at one point, clearly exagerating, both of us. Then we took her father, then me, then her, then her boyfriend, it was so obvioulsy exagerated that we started to laugh and making jokes, yet the fume was out. No damages. Warning: this technic only works with hot latin blood people :p

I would have LOVED to be a fly on the wall for this conversation.

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Lucy/crosswords.JPG

[DeDukshyn]

Last Friday night, I was in one of those moods (the killer one) and my daughter came home in the same mood. By dinner time, it was obvious that fight would start. Feeling this, I wondered at fast speed what I wanted. I wanted the fume to get out without harm. I asked her how she felt, she said bitchy. Then I said, ok, lets have a bitching contest. Which can bitch the best and the loudest.

We start with her school, me with my work. So we started, being very upsetting and really at one point, clearly exagerating, both of us. Then we took her father, then me, then her, then her boyfriend, it was so obvioulsy exagerated that we started to laugh and making jokes, yet the fume was out. No damages. Warning: this technic only works with hot latin blood people :p

I would have LOVED to be a fly on the wall for this conversation.

I found this exact idea as flash laid it out, in one of my spiritual training books. The only difference was the exercise had you bitching at your TV about everything that sucks in your day - and the goal was to exaggerate it so by the time you are done you just feel sort of silly but better because you got all the crap out. It really does work! ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Heheheh ...

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[Sierra]

OK, Bombay babies. :)

This is Martha. She is under the bed. She is tiny, fluffy, extremely cuddly. My nose and chin are raw, because she greets me with her raspy tongue. When she falls asleep on my ribs, she slides down to my tummy after awhile, and sleeps with all four paws in the air lol. Hilarious.

Pippin is lean, muscular, and very focused. He is on top of the bed. He has the classic shiny Bombay fur. He leaps around. He was sort of stand offish at first, and then we started foisting ourselves on him, demanding cuddles. It was all he needed, a little encouragement. :)

They get along so well. Magic. :) We have the morning rampage before breakfast, and the evening rampage, before and after dinner. They hang out on the deck mostly...

Pippin likes to walk all over the keyboard...

[ulli]

OK, Bombay babies. :)

This is Martha. She is under the bed. She is tiny, fluffy, extremely cuddly. My nose and chin are raw, because she greets me with her raspy tongue. When she falls asleep on my ribs, she slides down to my tummy after awhile, and sleeps with all four paws in the air lol. Hilarious.

Pippin is lean, muscular, and very focused. He is on top of the bed. He has the classic shiny Bombay fur. He leaps around. He was sort of stand offish at first, and then we started foisting ourselves on him, demanding cuddles. It was all he needed, a little encouragement. :)

They get along so well. Magic. :) We have the morning rampage before breakfast, and the evening rampage, before and after dinner. They hang out on the deck mostly...

Pippin likes to walk all over the keyboard...

Ahhh, black leopards....

[Sierra]

FYI Village. Jenci PM'd me and corrected a misapprehension and proliferation of a false assumption on my part. I asked if she'd like me to correct the information on the Village thread and she said yes. Jenci sez, "I am not a Buddhist, never claimed to be or even studied it."

That's all folks. :)

Sierra

[Elly]

It's a grey and rainy day, here today. I woke up very early. Was it 6 am? Checked up on Avalon. Did some laundry. Ate some cereals, not my favorite (why am I eating this stuff?). My husband left for work. Cleaned the dishes. Did more laundry. Made some coffee and ate half a croissant while watching a recorded episode of "House Hunters International" and then the first of the season of "Fringe" (I'm so happy its back!). Did more laundry. Checked a few times the threads on Avalon. Folded the dried clothes (I dislike doing that). I LOVE being alone. I enjoy the peace and quiet of rainy days. It feels so calm and relaxed. There is much more space to breathe. Wishing all a nice Sunday!

P.S. Sierra, luv those two cats! So cute. :)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The fabulous P.I.L.
Anger is an energy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj-8_wOZcA&feature=related

[Heather2017]

Here and now I'm feeling a lot of love for Ulli and all Villagers. I adore your Bombays, Sierra. I'm sorry people are feeling slighted and upset.

Flash, like you, I'm only just now understanding how this thread is about the experience of owning oneself within a supportive group. Unity in diversity.

Yes, there needs to be mutual respect.

I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you.

As I see it, there are negative forces that promote division. The Village is way too cool to fall for that bullsh|t. :cool:

Ulli, thanks for starting this thread. Looking forward to sharing our paths for a long time to come.

Love,
Heather

[DeDukshyn]

Here and now I'm feeling the energy that is restoring the community that this thread represents. Without this contrast it is easy to forget the value of those things which we come to take for granted. Well done everyone. ;)


(I sounded like Anchor John there ... weird ;))

[Guest]

Lisab,

found the full version of PowWow Highway on Vimeo.


https://vimeo.com/9521242

About PowWow Highway
Pow Wow Highway ( Movie ) The road movie gets a smart update with this seriocomic tale of two Cheyenne men traveling from their reservation in Montana to New Mexico. For one of them, Buddy Red Bow (A Martinez), a quick-tempered activist, the journey is a practical one; his sister has been arrested and he is the only family member who can help her out. Buddy has no transportation, so he's forced to ride with Philbert Bono (Gary Farmer), a phlegmatic hulk of a man who is using his 1964 Buick as a vehicle for a spiritual journey of his own. Philbert's easygoing ways and insistence on frequent stops to meditate prove irritating at first to Buddy, but the men reach an accommodation as the trip wears on. Buddy comes to see that blaming the white man and what he sees as system rigged against Native Americans is distracting him from his true mission: to better understand himself and his place in the world

Mods, I need a little help, having trouble imbedding video.


Love

Nora

[ThePythonicCow]

OK, Bombay babies. :)
Awesome .

[DeDukshyn]

Lisab found the full version of PowWow Highway on Vimeo.


https://vimeo.com/9521242

About PowWow Highway
Pow Wow Highway ( Movie ) The road movie gets a smart update with this seriocomic tale of two Cheyenne men traveling from their reservation in Montana to New Mexico. For one of them, Buddy Red Bow (A Martinez), a quick-tempered activist, the journey is a practical one; his sister has been arrested and he is the only family member who can help her out. Buddy has no transportation, so he's forced to ride with Philbert Bono (Gary Farmer), a phlegmatic hulk of a man who is using his 1964 Buick as a vehicle for a spiritual journey of his own. Philbert's easygoing ways and insistence on frequent stops to meditate prove irritating at first to Buddy, but the men reach an accommodation as the trip wears on. Buddy comes to see that blaming the white man and what he sees as system rigged against Native Americans is distracting him from his true mission: to better understand himself and his place in the world

Mods, I need a little help, have trouble imbedding video.


Love

Nora

That sounds really interesting .. .I may have to give this one a whirrl ;) Thanks!

[RunningDeer]

I am reminded the good, the bad and the ugly are parts of the human condition.
My goal is to be in it without those adjectives. (WhiteCrowBlackDeerism)

Special delivery for the Village: flowers, color, energies, and Love.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Zen/IMG_2034.jpg

[1inMany]

Mike and Little One returned to the city. My girls are in their rooms enjoying their peace, which gives me peace :) Thinking about starting another blanket, it has been a long enough break from crochet. Today I made chili, which means two pots since my girls like "kid chili" - yuck...there's nothing good in that...no green peppers or onions or beans. Since the temperature is dropping, it is now 58F. It is pouring down rain, and the wind has gone from a light breeze to whooshing. I'm loving it. Energies around me have left me a bit on edge and tired, would like to take a nap. Of course, energies around me also make sleep an improbability right now.

Looking forward to Monday morning moreso than usual. I miss my routine of sitting outside in the morning and talking to my Angels and expressing my gratitude while drinking coffee. And when they are safely tucked at school, I can do some energy work. What a misnomer, as it doesn't feel like work at all, I think it is quite fun. :)

Much Love,

[Sierra]

Lisab found the full version of PowWow Highway on Vimeo.


https://vimeo.com/9521242

About PowWow Highway
Pow Wow Highway ( Movie ) The road movie gets a smart update with this seriocomic tale of two Cheyenne men traveling from their reservation in Montana to New Mexico. For one of them, Buddy Red Bow (A Martinez), a quick-tempered activist, the journey is a practical one; his sister has been arrested and he is the only family member who can help her out. Buddy has no transportation, so he's forced to ride with Philbert Bono (Gary Farmer), a phlegmatic hulk of a man who is using his 1964 Buick as a vehicle for a spiritual journey of his own. Philbert's easygoing ways and insistence on frequent stops to meditate prove irritating at first to Buddy, but the men reach an accommodation as the trip wears on. Buddy comes to see that blaming the white man and what he sees as system rigged against Native Americans is distracting him from his true mission: to better understand himself and his place in the world

Mods, I need a little help, have trouble imbedding video.


Love

Nora

You did it right Nora, must be a Vimeo issue that it doesn't post the actual video rather than the link. Thank you! I was really wanting to see this!

And thank you too LisaB. It is so good to see you here again. :hug:

Sierra

[Sierra]

Back yard in the fall light:

[Lisab]

Nora and Sierra THANKYOU! unfortunately it's giving me a message won't play on this device. I had money to buy a laptop and then would you believe it my fridge/freezer has broken (the move to my new place probably killed it). Is nothing built to last anymore? 9eagle mentioned this movie before and I've wanted to watch it ever since. I heard a rumour though that a DVD player can be tweaked to play imports. Il have to call one of my nerd friends!

[Carmody]

Mike and Little One returned to the city. My girls are in their rooms enjoying their peace, which gives me peace :) Thinking about starting another blanket, it has been a long enough break from crochet. Today I made chili, which means two pots since my girls like "kid chili" - yuck...there's nothing good in that...no green peppers or onions or beans. Since the temperature is dropping, it is now 58F. It is pouring down rain, and the wind has gone from a light breeze to whooshing. I'm loving it. Energies around me have left me a bit on edge and tired, would like to take a nap. Of course, energies around me also make sleep an improbability right now.

Looking forward to Monday morning moreso than usual. I miss my routine of sitting outside in the morning and talking to my Angels and expressing my gratitude while drinking coffee. And when they are safely tucked at school, I can do some energy work. What a misnomer, as it doesn't feel like work at all, I think it is quite fun. :)

Much Love,

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

[Guest]

Lisab found the full version of PowWow Highway on Vimeo.


https://vimeo.com/9521242

About PowWow Highway
Pow Wow Highway ( Movie ) The road movie gets a smart update with this seriocomic tale of two Cheyenne men traveling from their reservation in Montana to New Mexico. For one of them, Buddy Red Bow (A Martinez), a quick-tempered activist, the journey is a practical one; his sister has been arrested and he is the only family member who can help her out. Buddy has no transportation, so he's forced to ride with Philbert Bono (Gary Farmer), a phlegmatic hulk of a man who is using his 1964 Buick as a vehicle for a spiritual journey of his own. Philbert's easygoing ways and insistence on frequent stops to meditate prove irritating at first to Buddy, but the men reach an accommodation as the trip wears on. Buddy comes to see that blaming the white man and what he sees as system rigged against Native Americans is distracting him from his true mission: to better understand himself and his place in the world

Mods, I need a little help, have trouble imbedding video.


Love

Nora

That sounds really interesting .. .I may have to give this one a whirrl ;) Thanks!


LOL, it's a great movie...... another oldie but goodie is the movie Smoke Signals.


Love


Nora

[Heather2017]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

[Rocky_Shorz]

smiles seeing the peace and heads back for the hills...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_ky0nb6Kk&feature=player_embedded

[DeDukshyn]

smiles seeing the peace and heads back for the hills...


That song always makes me cry ... not even sure why. It's ... Illogical ;) ;)

Since I'm on the topic - Brandi Carlisle can make me cry too ... like this song. ;) ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvecJ6ZZKCo

[pickle]

Hi y'all.

Just want to say, more has been achieved in this thread (IMHO) than I've seen on any forum, or blog, for those that are looking to move on (in life, towards something better).

I joined in the H&N thread near the beginning, since then I've had countless belly laughs, wept buckets, and been taught lesson I should have learnt a loooong time ago. For reasons I won't go into now, I've struggled to think of anything useful to contribute, preferring to watch from the sidelines.

The struggles I've had, you all helped towards the answers I have now (which are wooly, but getting there...), you have all shown me some things I wished I had, including humility, grace, and bucketloads of understanding, to fearless and brave exposure of your own skeletons in the cupboard. For this and everything else I thank you from the bottom of my heart, you, all of you, have helped make bad days better, and problems look smaller. I just said 'you', some of you included in the recent rough waters, some of you not. You're all the same to me, wonderful people. No passage is ever smooth I guess, all is for a reason.

So I guess my point is this, that through whatever the tribulations, there is only one answer, though maybe with many routes there, and that is Love and Forgiveness, that's what you've all shown me to be true.

Ulli, you started this masterpiece of a place where people show their wonderful Spirit, so I just want to thank you again.


There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.
.................
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.

All you need is what? ;)


Love to you all,

John

[ThePythonicCow]

One of my reasons for choosing the name was that he had a colleague I was not so keen on, called… Atticus. He has another called Paul, but this was when the Pythonic Cow was still coming out of the closet
Well ... not surprisingly this caught my eye :).

I read all the way to the end of this thread, hoping for an explanation of what it meant (lordy, this has been a fast moving thread.) Though I saw a couple more references to it and a sort of explanation, I'm still mystified. Not surprisingly so ... I tend to the more literal minded nerd side of things, and would be lousy at cryptic puzzles.

So if I may ask ... can you translate?

Feel free to decline this request, or to remain (from my bovine perspective) cryptic. Do as you will.

Thanks.

[PurpleLama]

How can anyone who is shared in the village be deemed not a villager? Because ulli says it's so? I'm sorry, I really am, to be stirring stuff up. I'm not holding ulli to blame, we are all adults here, but from where I stand abob was a villager from the minute he first posted here, and the drama seems to have started with ulli's snappy response to jenci. I'm having a hard time finding the balance in the situation. The village is it's own entity, it was conceived on this thread, but should the thread be closed what the village is would recollect itself elsewhere. This weird connection we share is a living thing and it will preserve itself. Love to you, ulli, my friend, please let us find it in ourselves to forgive. Hoes and Porno.

[Rocky_Shorz]

that was strange...

a wine glass fell off the counter towards the tile floor, I thought NOO!!! and it hit, without hitting, it dropped down to the side and when the base hit, still not a noise, it is a crystal glass, picked it up, tapped it with a finger and it rang...

starting to like this 2012 effect...

bumping this for those who missed it, some things aren't meant to break, like friendship... ;)

[PurpleLama]

Ok, to balance my previous heavy post, I bring this to the table. Every Avalonian should listen to this, I swear.

vF4DZDHn3dk

[eaglespirit]

Here ad Now...It IS Time!
.......

Your hearts are the poems of your souls written upon the nature of your bodies
And should your hearts remain empty then so too shall your souls

Be saddened no longer for humanity shall return
With the messanic waves of divine creation

And as you sleep your dreams become our dreams
And the moment of your awakening shall be our awakening

In that moment all that was done shall be undone
All that is unblessed shall be blessed
And all that remains unloved shall be forever loved

And Within the echoes of your future memories
We shall meet once more on the bridge to the infinite

And all that is unspoken shall be spoken
And all that is unsung shall be sung

And together we shall build a new Earth
Amongst the lavendar fields planted by those that came before you

It all began amidst the darkness of the Eli-Jehovi wars
After aeons the nuclear dust had settled

The Earth had fallen out of harmonic resonance with Gaia
There was still a glimmer of light and hope

The blue sheltered light and silence had arrived
The 7th wave and let there be light exploding

A supernova of brilliant magnitude brought you new encodings
And a new world began with the first landings

Oceania and Balaenoptera we prayed for the Earth
But only time shall tell

We lamented for Atlantis and Lemuria
And before them, Amentis and Ioria

Before the aeon of human hibernation
The codes had been stored within the mountain chambers

The Blue shining ones made it crystal clear
Before retreating beyond heaven's gate

Their words echoed "Before a new cycle begins again
Ascension of the soul must be in the physical to obtain"

Dearest Blue of Whales
Ever we await your trumpet braided encoded signal

Your sun is beginning to pulse a new song
But without your resonant bellows from within Oceania

Your sun will not sing in tune
For without it the child within can not grow

Blessed Daal of Fins
Will you allow history to forever repeat itself
Will you beach again

But no one is listening beneath a blanket
Of disarrayed and confused binary frequencies

The supernova awaits your signal
From deep beneath the blue sheltered light and silence

Your souls are frozen in the gravity of timeloops
An echo of our memories of future pasts

Ever seeking creations's arrow
We travel on the edge of ultraviolet supernova light
As we await creation's signal

A coming moment in your time
As a cycle ends and a new begins
The milky way shall have rotated
To face the eye of creation

In that moment the light of a million suns
Shall birth a majestic supernova
And it shall wash your souls
With ultraviolet blue waves

This light shall be isomorphic by design
Tuned only to the spirit of humanity

All that is not in resonance of divine love
Shall fall and fade away

Humanity shall rise again and be stripped of the chains
that have bound and wound it to this fallen time and space

And you shall dance in fields untrodden
Where your feet shall move with our feet
And We shall sing the sonic codes of the divine
Where creation's voice shall throb within y/our hearts

And Earth shall pass into the twilight of Gaia
Where you shall sleep through the dark night of your soul
And with human eyes awaken in the morning of another world
Where all that is unloved shall be loved

It all started as a dream and shall end as a dream
In your sleep you shall awaken and when you awaken you shall dream
And in that dream you will hear the unheard and see the unseen
And all that was forgotten shall be remembered

Humanity encoded holds the secrets of life
From before the moment of creation
In your sleep we sing these secrets to your souls
So they may be remembered like a long forgotten melody

All that has been taken shall be given
And all that has been stolen shall be returned
Humanity's gift has been its curse
And this curse shall be the fire that ignites its transformation ...

http://missionignition.net/blue/blueascension2.php

[RunningDeer]

Ok, to balance my previous heavy post, I bring this to the table. Every Avalonian should listen to this, I swear.
I have no solutions for this day, PurpleLama. But I am listening to you and to those that still need to process. (And it helps me, too.) Though, some comments (others) are beyond my comprehension.

[DeDukshyn]

So here's the neighbor's cat I've thought of "stealing" ;) -- It is sooo cute and smart -- reminds me 100% of Scooter and looks the same even ...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/8041004907_332862e041_k.jpg


And here is a (what looks like to me) a young Goshawk that snatched up a Robin right in front of the kids and carried to the backyard to finish the kill (he's got the robin at the throat with his talons - he stayed there until the robin stopped moving then carried it off for his feast). The kids were a little upset, but it was easy to explain that hawks have to eat too.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/8041007333_e2ca53ef43_k.jpg

[Belle]

How can anyone who is shared in the village be deemed not a villager? Because ulli says it's so? I'm sorry, I really am, to be stirring stuff up. I'm not holding ulli to blame, we are all adults here, but from where I stand abob was a villager from the minute he first posted here, and the drama seems to have started with ulli's snappy response to jenci. I'm having a hard time finding the balance in the situation. The village is it's own entity, it was conceived on this thread, but should the thread be closed what the village is would recollect itself elsewhere. This weird connection we share is a living thing and it will preserve itself. Love to you, ulli, my friend, please let us find it in ourselves to forgive. Hoes and Porno.

I'm with you, PL. I'm finding it difficult to just sweep it all under the rug and go on like nothing happened. Something did happen...two villagers have been left behind for a reason I cannot for the life of me figure out.

I am struggling to understand the offense and have read the posts of 'offenders' and 'offended' so many times, my eyes are crossing...and still I cannot see the error(s). Perhaps my own perspective does not allow me to see what others do.

There has been no resolution...this could happen again at any time to any one of us who unknowingly break an unwritten rule.

Wish I had a funny something to post....

Taking a walk...perhaps the crisp fall air will help settle the images of broken bridges needing repair...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think it is just a moon break until the energies calm down, saw Bob out fishing at the lake, he hasn't gone far...

[DeDukshyn]

Ok, to balance my previous heavy post, I bring this to the table. Every Avalonian should listen to this, I swear.
I have no solutions for this day, PurpleLama. But I am listening to you and to those that still need to process. (And it helps me, too.) Though, some comments (others) are beyond my comprehension.

What are you talking about? Your solutions for this day were well presented --- "Move the mind past the problem, to get past the problem" - and well received, I believe. Thanks for your contributions today WCBD ;)

And thanks for the Weird Al vid Purple Lama! I love Weird Al!! He is one being who has brought lightness to this realm at times it is most often needed. My 2 cents ;) ;)

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How can anyone who is shared in the village be deemed not a villager? Because ulli says it's so? I'm sorry, I really am, to be stirring stuff up. I'm not holding ulli to blame, we are all adults here, but from where I stand abob was a villager from the minute he first posted here, and the drama seems to have started with ulli's snappy response to jenci. I'm having a hard time finding the balance in the situation. The village is it's own entity, it was conceived on this thread, but should the thread be closed what the village is would recollect itself elsewhere. This weird connection we share is a living thing and it will preserve itself. Love to you, ulli, my friend, please let us find it in ourselves to forgive. Hoes and Porno.

I'm with you, PL. I'm finding it difficult to just sweep it all under the rug and go on like nothing happened. Something did happen...two villagers have been left behind for a reason I cannot for the life of me figure out.

I am struggling to understand the offense and have read the posts of 'offenders' and 'offended' so many times, my eyes are crossing...and still I cannot see the error(s). Perhaps my own perspective does not allow me to see what others do.

There has been no resolution...this could happen again at any time to any one of us who unknowingly break an unwritten rule.

Wish I had a funny something to post....

Taking a walk...perhaps the crisp fall air will help settle the images of broken bridges needing repair...

Let me help you with that ..

<sweep, sweep, sweep>

Time to move forward, sometimes the resolution is moving the mind past the problem - because sometimes that is the only problem. If those energies still need addressing, they will come again in a different form .... My 2 cents ;)

[eaglespirit]

I understand there is much more that has gone on with this...
all I can see is all of Us in a room together enjoying each Other with heart to heart respect and honor and oneness.

Love,
Dan

[DeDukshyn]

I understand there is much more that has gone on with this...
all I can see is all of Us in a room together enjoying each Other with heart to heart respect and honor and oneness.

Love,
Dan

"The State of Grace already exists. It always has. Yet most humans are blinded to it by the incessant machinations of the rational thought processes that they worship." -- ;)

[Belle]

I understand there is much more that has gone on with this...
all I can see is all of Us in a room together enjoying each Other with heart to heart respect and honor and oneness.

Love,
Dan

Thanks, Dan.

All is well.

[Carmody]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

[Heather2017]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.

Love,
Heather

[ulli]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

[Sierra]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.

Love,
Heather

Nah. I was visualizing the gorgeous rainbow mohair throw being thrown in the wash and coming out a dirty mauve color, about 2' X 2' shrunken down ... lol

[Carmody]

The fabulous P.I.L.
Anger is an energy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj-8_wOZcA&feature=related

8VHIRTWcc3g

It is your character
Deep in your nature
Take one example
Sample and hold
Romance and replace
The lack in yourself
It is your nature
It is your nature
We see you climbing
Improving the effort
Wearing my suit
It is your character
There is a limit
Over your shoulder
Everyone loves you
Until they know you
Perfume aerosols
May champion the strangers
Nick
Standing around
All the right people
Crawling
Tennis on Tuesday
The ladder is long
It is your nature
You've gotta suntan
Football on Sunday
Society boy
On social security
It is your nature
Tennis on Tuesday
Sipping champagne
Football on Sunday
Home on the train
It is your nature
Girl from Totteridge Park
Said you were nice
So was my suit
The ladder is long

[Sierra]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

I know. Here is hoping you Ulli, Jenci and ABob can dialog with open hearts and minds, to understand where each other is coming from and what your issues are. Not hoping, sending energy. And love. To all.

Sierra

[ulli]

How can anyone who is shared in the village be deemed not a villager? Because ulli says it's so? I'm sorry, I really am, to be stirring stuff up. I'm not holding ulli to blame, we are all adults here, but from where I stand abob was a villager from the minute he first posted here, and the drama seems to have started with ulli's snappy response to jenci. I'm having a hard time finding the balance in the situation. The village is it's own entity, it was conceived on this thread, but should the thread be closed what the village is would recollect itself elsewhere. This weird connection we share is a living thing and it will preserve itself. Love to you, ulli, my friend, please let us find it in ourselves to forgive. Hoes and Porno.

So what do you want to see done? As a next step. Give me a clue.
Be specific. I have no problem with forgiveness. There are others involved, though.
What about them?

[DeDukshyn]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

Everything is process and process is goal. It is stagnation that is not beneficial.

So .. who's got the ball?

It looks like the thread is getting back on track, I'd say just leave the door unlocked and the porch-light on and see where the next part of this process brings us. My 2 cents ;)

[astrid]

My Mars is conj mars at my 3.33 today,
man, seriously if i have any more energy i think i will combust,
What with the moon and the sun, and now mars..
holy moly.

[DeDukshyn]

My Mars is conj mars at my 3.33 today,
man, seriously if i have any more energy i think i will combust,
What with the moon and the sun, and now mars..
holy moly.

I just powered my way through a flu with all the energy that has been around -- I was barely even set back! There definitely has been an abundance - in ways sometimes not good, as that energy has to be processed somehow or it tends to process you ;)

[RunningDeer]

Now feeling the incoming...smooth transition....phase (once again).
Full disclosure: I’ve been known to have ‘Tortoise and the Hare’ impatience.

It gives me hope to see everyone set aside small money for larger purpose of why we are here.
I’ve been living in a PO Box. Might be time to come out and stretch my legs.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Wilderness%20and%20Space/unity.gif

[Chester]

I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

[Rocky_Shorz]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

the most important lesson I could ever share with my friends is...

Forgiveness doesn't come from the action of others, it comes from within...

waiting for a sorry leaves an open wound that wouldn't be there if it was forgiven at the start...

the true Secret of happiness... forgive everyone, and forget...

[Sierra]

My Mars is conj mars at my 3.33 today,
man, seriously if i have any more energy i think i will combust,
What with the moon and the sun, and now mars..
holy moly.

Dumping a bucket of freezing cold Butte Creek water on Astrid ... <observing plumes of smoke>

[PurpleLama]

Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

[Heather2017]

I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

Everything happens for a good reason, Chester. Welcome to the Village from someone who mainly just listens here. You are very welcome.

[ulli]

I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

Don't feel bad.
You brought lots of loving energy and no one holds a thing against you.

This is the thing...it is just not true that we give people a hard time here.
The members have a great time and those who want to stir up trouble
usually leave after a short while anyway because of lack of feedback.

[PurpleLama]

Dude, no. Welcome to the Village, you picked a bad time. Sebastion, too. You guys are awesome, we want you around. C'mon, people, back me up!


I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

[ulli]

Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

[PurpleLama]

I see I was already backed up, so is the Village. Here and Now, my mouth is watering for some home-made soup courtesy of my lovely lotusblossom.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The prison population of deadly females is tiny compared to their male counterparts. Also, your analysis of male behaviour would apply only to the monogamous subset, which is not only fairly small, I gather, but also includes a good many ordinary decent citizens, who may change partners, more or less amicably, but are not promiscuous. And you are talking about a subset of that subset, i.e. men whose wives leave them. However, male killers don't just kill faithless wives, they kill all sorts. And when it comes to being unfaithful, they are usually first.

The question of the inequality, statistically speaking is valid, but could be answered that exactly because women are more connected to children, who are dependent on her, as adults in the making, and therefore she has to consider the long-tern consequences of her behavior, which prevents her from committing crimes the way men do.


Does anyone have a bucket?


Hmm

[PurpleLama]

I admit, I'm not 100% clear on the meaning of this....

*reaching for boxing gloves, just in case ;) *



Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

[RunningDeer]

How can anyone who is shared in the village be deemed not a villager? Because ulli says it's so? I'm sorry, I really am, to be stirring stuff up. I'm not holding ulli to blame, we are all adults here, but from where I stand abob was a villager from the minute he first posted here, and the drama seems to have started with ulli's snappy response to jenci.

So what do you want to see done? As a next step. Give me a clue.
Be specific. I have no problem with forgiveness. There are others involved, though.
What about them?

PS first... It took me too long to write this post. I see there's a lot ahead of mine. I haven't read them for fear of not posting these suggestion:

The Village door is always open. It may take time to heal things. Everyone’s inner timing unfolds in it's proper sequence. Rushing it along will create knots. On some levels, they never left. I see them close by. Time. Patience. Healing. That’s what it’ll take.

I'm still working out the bugs between preachy, teachy, patronizing and helpful info, but I figure that each can make the decision to ignore my posts or even use the ignore button on me.

Lastly, Ulli give yourself permission to be a villager. It’s unfair for me to expect you to be the watch person. When you take on that role, it may cause laziness in me to stand up when it’s needed.

Respectfully,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Flash]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.

Love,
Heather

Nah. I was visualizing the gorgeous rainbow mohair throw being thrown in the wash and coming out a dirty mauve color, about 2' X 2' shrunken down ... lol

Nah Nah... I was visualizing the mystical Carmody sitting on the beautiful rainbow mohaire throw that he had pitch on the floor, in deep meditation, so deep that his body started to emit intense heat and the mohair throw burned out. lol

[ulli]

I admit, I'm not 100% clear on the meaning of this....

*reaching for boxing gloves, just in case ;) *



Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

See everyone?? This is what I have to deal with, day after day, after day....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

I've painted a big smiley face on my screen to sit where Ulli's picture used to be...

[RunningDeer]

I admit, I'm not 100% clear on the meaning of this....

*reaching for boxing gloves, just in case ;) *



Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

See everyone?? This is what I have to deal with, day after day, after day....

This one felt like a joke to me, Ulli. My suggestion before was to use a simile because it's hard when tone and visual clues are missing. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/big-smile2-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

PS In case, you haven't noticed, I've got a sh/t load of them. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/bottle-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)I'm a good sharer.

[PurpleLama]

Rocky, I must say, it's good to have you around.

Hahahaha!

You might start drawing fire there, buddy....

[PurpleLama]

B) anyone with the patience to read through twenty thousand posts knows the answer to this one

[Rocky_Shorz]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.

Love,
Heather

Nah. I was visualizing the gorgeous rainbow mohair throw being thrown in the wash and coming out a dirty mauve color, about 2' X 2' shrunken down ... lol

Nah Nah... I was visualizing the mystical Carmody sitting on the beautiful rainbow mohaire throw that he had pitch on the floor, in deep meditation, so deep that his body started to emit intense heat and the mohair throw burned out. lol

as for what happened during the blackout, Carmody was running through the village wearing a rug and caught the attention of...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Bounce.JPG/220px-Bounce.JPG


he dropped the rug and ran...

[1inMany]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.

Listening... :tongue1:

My mother had made it, and it was adorning her couch at her place.

That was the last time I drank and got drunk. (age 19) I drank tequila, you see.... Ruined the couch too.

Didn't even know where I was. that place, when drunk, that is beyond conscious comprehension. When I came to, as they say, it certainly wasn't any better. She was out of town and I was using her place to crash. In this case, literally.

Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.

Love,
Heather

Nah. I was visualizing the gorgeous rainbow mohair throw being thrown in the wash and coming out a dirty mauve color, about 2' X 2' shrunken down ... lol

Nah Nah... I was visualizing the mystical Carmody sitting on the beautiful rainbow mohaire throw that he had pitch on the floor, in deep meditation, so deep that his body started to emit intense heat and the mohair throw burned out. lol

Nah, nah, nah. I was visualizing the laid back Carmody falling asleep smokin' a fat one...which promtly caught it on fire. lol

PurpleLama, I'm backin' ya dude...

Much Love, Village :)

[Flash]

Purple lama, I understand half of what you want to mean, and it may have a mean biais, i am not sure. "Hoes and porno" saved you once, I decided to wait. Well, I waited and I am at the same place. Wondering if you are just kid ding around or lost your wizard under your name, remainng with the redneck.

If your deep will is to be be nice, loving, show it because I am confused.

[Belle]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

Wow, I was calmed down and overlooking much for the sake of peace in the village....until this post.

You are absolutely right, ulli. I have never even considered that there may be "specific procedures" to forgiveness.

And yes, by choice I, for one, am ruled by the heart (not emotion) much more than the mind...which is sharper than some may think (no need to go into IQ's now, is there?). Logic tells me that if the goal is reconciliation and forgiveness, then it doesn't matter who started what or who was right or wrong...it is more important to reach out than to allow some kind of false pride to stand in the way of the goal. Procedures be damned!

If the goal is to come out on top as tho' this was a competition, then by all means make them grovel...make them play by your rules. I wouldn't...but others might.

imo, you had an emotional, gut reaction to Jenci's post...feeling your position here was being threatened and going into defensive posture.... and are now trying to rationalize it all away. Fine. Do what you believe you must to protect your own self-image.

Having a hard time holding my Scorpio side back and needing to clear the bullsh!t. I'm amazed no one else has smelled it. Come on..."All calls for unity...can only lead to more confusion and conflict"? What kind of logic is that? Someone else could use sorting the "wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes." I do not appreciate being patronized, especially by false logic.

If this post gets me banned from this thread, then so be it. One of my triggers has been pushed and I can no longer pretend the elephant in the room does not exist.

Sorry, Villagers...my inner bitch slipped out. I will put sweet, mundane Belle back on, blinders and all, and join others in pretending everything is fine.

The show is over. Please go back to your regularly scheduled program.

[Guest]

My Mars is conj mars at my 3.33 today,
man, seriously if i have any more energy i think i will combust,
What with the moon and the sun, and now mars..
holy moly.

I'm totally there too Astrid.

Add in Uranus I feel like the Electric Light Orchestra
:target::flame:


Love

Nora

[RunningDeer]

Purple lama, I understand half of what you want to mean, and it may have a mean biais, i am not sure. "Hoes and porno" saved you once, I decided to wait. Well, I waited and I am at the same place. Wondering if you are just kid ding around or lost your wizard under your name, remainng with the redneck.

If your deep will is to be be nice, loving, show it because I am confused.

I had to use my dictionary on that one because I was surprised, too, Flash. I chalked it up to trying to break the ice and get the wheel of healing a-goin'.

Another example of a good time to use a smilie. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif

[1inMany]

Truth is, no one that is/was not involved does not know the extent of what happened. We have a few posts that are public. That's it. We do not know any private history or any private exchanges or the lack thereof. We do not know what/why each person said/did not say/reacted/did not react and/or what each of those involved emotionally brought to that exchange.

I am not pretending it didn't happen, whatever "it" was, but I do not have the magic wand in this as I'm effected but not a principal. The only thing I know to do is to share what I have, here.

I wish I did have the magic wand. Maybe some day...

Much Love,

[Rocky_Shorz]

Belle, when a healer is in pain, send love...

she is under a shield right now protected from further damage, we're all buds here and any attacks of negative energy will be rebounded, all of you be careful please...

I don't step into the fray often, well ok maybe I do...

but new and full moons, I'm drawn in more than I should be...

it has nothing to do with anyone in this thread, and words on a page should mean nothing between friends...

[PurpleLama]

Ok flash, long before this thread there was another thread, where I suggested to another member who is now unsuscribed that he offer forgiveness instead of demanding apology, and everyone took two things from that thread, timelines and ho'oponopono. I was at work soon after talking about what all I'd learned about ho'oponopono, and one of my coworkers who is more secular minded said it sounded like "hoes and porno" and one day I shared this with the village and we all had a laugh about it. Just a little irreverent fun, but when you see anyone around here say hoes and porno, it means ho'oponopono.

[ulli]

I admit, I'm not 100% clear on the meaning of this....

*reaching for boxing gloves, just in case ;) *



Well, I'd like to see a place where anyone can post and share what they have, and take what they need. We are a helluvea a long way from gender wars, and that's a good thing, given what's transpired since, but so many have invested so much positive energy into this thread and into themselves that you can feel it, that should not be in danger, not even from you. I'm not making suggestions, today, just observations.

I want to make it clear to everyone who sees this thread that there is no enmity between me and ulli. *waves at all the guests*

A) not yet
B) PL and I go back a long way
C) oh really...you wish....rolling up her sleeves and putting on boxing gloves

Take your pick for an answer.

See everyone?? This is what I have to deal with, day after day, after day....

This one felt like a joke to me, Ulli. My suggestion before was to use a simile because it's hard when tone and visual clues are missing. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/big-smile2-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

No more smilies, I have decided just now.
This is the risk people take.
It is an exercise thread, remember? A totally new concept, and therefore we will all mess up at times.
People exchanging their energies...

But we learn to take responsibility for our own projections and attitudes towards other people.
No more like and dislike...just watch what you perceive in another. This now goes for all of us.

So people want me to accept all and everyone the way they are?
What if I start asking the same of them?
Can they still love me, even if they are uncertain whether I'm being serious or joking?

No more guarantees, not more clarifications, no more enabling nor mollycoddling.

Those who know me already also know that I have a dry sense of humor which they can then interpret in a variety of ways.
That interpretation will then tell them how they see me, not how I am.
And that judgement will then tell them who they are.

P.S. when I wrote that post that had everyone so furious at me I wasn't angry at all,
but wrote it in a teasing tone, and felt really sure she would not take offense. To take offense was then her choice.
People pinned onto it what they wished to see. This post was mild compared to what I see being sent at people on the forum every day, and even some of the things I had to swallow today.


Soon going to take a nap...brain is heating up from overwork...and there is smoke coming out of my ears.

[1inMany]

Ha!!!! PL!!!! I can spell hoes and porno without looking it up every time! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Rocky_Shorz]

points at the cabin on the seashore and smiles...

enjoy your nap...

[DeDukshyn]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

Wow, I was calmed down and overlooking much for the sake of peace in the village....until this post.

You are absolutely right, ulli. I have never even considered that there may be "specific procedures" to forgiveness.

And yes, by choice I, for one, am ruled by the heart (not emotion) much more than the mind...which is sharper than some may think (no need to go into IQ's now, is there?). Logic tells me that if the goal is reconciliation and forgiveness, then it doesn't matter who started what or who was right or wrong...it is more important to reach out than to allow some kind of false pride to stand in the way of the goal. Procedures be damned!

If the goal is to come out on top as tho' this was a competition, then by all means make them grovel...make them play by your rules. I wouldn't...but others might.

imo, you had an emotional, gut reaction to Jenci's post...feeling your position here was being threatened and going into defensive posture.... and are now trying to rationalize it all away. Fine. Do what you believe you must to protect your own self-image.

Having a hard time holding my Scorpio side back and needing to clear the bullsh!t. I'm amazed no one else has smelled it. Come on..."All calls for unity...can only lead to more confusion and conflict"? What kind of logic is that? Someone else could use sorting the "wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes." I do not appreciate being patronized, especially by false logic.

If this post gets me banned from this thread, then so be it. One of my triggers has been pushed and I can no longer pretend the elephant in the room does not exist.

Sorry, Villagers...my inner bitch slipped out. I will put sweet, mundane Belle back on, blinders and all, and join others in pretending everything is fine.

The show is over. Please go back to your regularly scheduled program.

That's funny, and not shot at you Belle, but I find when my blinders are on is the problem, because then I get caught up in what I can't see, which usually causes misunderstandings and having to fill in the view with the things I cannot see, and that is what starts the problems. Just my 2 cents ;)

[1inMany]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

Wow, I was calmed down and overlooking much for the sake of peace in the village....until this post.

You are absolutely right, ulli. I have never even considered that there may be "specific procedures" to forgiveness.

And yes, by choice I, for one, am ruled by the heart (not emotion) much more than the mind...which is sharper than some may think (no need to go into IQ's now, is there?). Logic tells me that if the goal is reconciliation and forgiveness, then it doesn't matter who started what or who was right or wrong...it is more important to reach out than to allow some kind of false pride to stand in the way of the goal. Procedures be damned!

If the goal is to come out on top as tho' this was a competition, then by all means make them grovel...make them play by your rules. I wouldn't...but others might.

imo, you had an emotional, gut reaction to Jenci's post...feeling your position here was being threatened and going into defensive posture.... and are now trying to rationalize it all away. Fine. Do what you believe you must to protect your own self-image.

Having a hard time holding my Scorpio side back and needing to clear the bullsh!t. I'm amazed no one else has smelled it. Come on..."All calls for unity...can only lead to more confusion and conflict"? What kind of logic is that? Someone else could use sorting the "wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes." I do not appreciate being patronized, especially by false logic.

If this post gets me banned from this thread, then so be it. One of my triggers has been pushed and I can no longer pretend the elephant in the room does not exist.

Sorry, Villagers...my inner bitch slipped out. I will put sweet, mundane Belle back on, blinders and all, and join others in pretending everything is fine.

The show is over. Please go back to your regularly scheduled program.

That's funny, and not shot at you Belle, but I find when my blinders are on is the problem, because then I get caught up in what I can't see, which usually causes misunderstandings and having to fill in the view with the things I cannot see, and that is what starts the problems. Just my 2 cents ;)

How much money do you have? Let's see...at 2 cents per post...where's that Village Barn?! teeheehee

[Flash]

That there is a procedure or not Bell, Ulli is asking for the procedure. She has been extending her hand to AB a few times, in public, asking him to extend first, when in fact she was actually doing it, this is my interpretation. The gesture may have been misperceived, the words may have been not entirely chosen, the communication may seem awkward, but I see the effort, love and pain.

[Rocky_Shorz]

a wise mind trains itself to leave baggage behind, that is not the same as wearing blinders...

blinders just hide the mess meant to be forgotten...

most with PTSD are stuck not knowing the simple answer to healing is letting it go...

[RunningDeer]

Yipes, that backfired. Glad I caught this in time. Delete, delete, delete. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/delete2-smiley.gif?1292867581
This amateur psychologist removes her cap. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/baseball-cap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

She shakes her head, and sits with a mocha cappuccino.

UPDATE:


For the record, it was spot on IMO!
Damn it!
I've eaten the paper it was written on.
So there.
Now, heart-burn.
Burp. Burp. Hiccup.

[RunningDeer]

Ok flash, long before this thread there was another thread, where I suggested to another member who is now unsuscribed that he offer forgiveness instead of demanding apology, and everyone took two things from that thread, timelines and ho'oponopono. I was at work soon after talking about what all I'd learned about ho'oponopono, and one of my coworkers who is more secular minded said it sounded like "hoes and porno" and one day I shared this with the village and we all had a laugh about it. Just a little irreverent fun, but when you see anyone around here say hoes and porno, it means ho'oponopono.

Oh, I get it now. That was before I was born (here). Suggestion: no you don't need one...

[Sidney]

I find it kind of difficult to keep up with the village here, but for today, Sierra....LOVE the kitties. And your backyard, and view from your windows is outstanding!!! What a beautiful countryside.
To everybody else, it seems I am not the only one to be feeling the full moon and solar activity energies. Its clear by reading through todays postings, the moods are a tad frisky.:ohwell::boxing::flame: Other than that, i havent read every post, so don't really know what you guys are talking about. lol Seems a bit over my head, especially since the solar weather is giving me brain fog. ugg

[Rocky_Shorz]

now Jenci and Bob, I know both of you are feeling hurt over this, but I think Ulli would be happy if she woke up from her nap and found you two wandering around the village...

she normally keeps herself shielded, but energies have been crazy these last few weeks, inbound from the sun ranging from 14-16 on a scale of 1-10

Jenci looking back at your posts, I didn't see anything hurtful, Ulli even thanked what you shared...

Bob, or should I say Shrek... ;)

you have the inner peace to have already passed the hurt, drop in and say hi when you're ready...

if a Mod gets mad, don't worry, I'll take the penalty...

[PurpleLama]

No more smilies, I have decided just now.
This is the risk people take.
It is an exercise thread, remember? A totally new concept, and therefore we will all mess up at times.
People exchanging their energies...

But we learn to take responsibility for our own projections and attitudes towards other people.
No more like and dislike...just watch what you perceive in another. This now goes for all of us.

So people want me to accept all and everyone the way they are?
What if I start asking the same of them?
Can they still love me, even if they are uncertain whether I'm being serious or joking?

No more guarantees, not more clarifications, no more enabling nor mollycoddling.

Those who know me already also know that I have a dry sense of humor which they can then interpret in a variety of ways.
That interpretation will then tell them how they see me, not how I am.
And that judgement will then tell them who they are.

P.S. when I wrote that post that had everyone so furious at me I wasn't angry at all,
but wrote it in a teasing tone, and felt really sure she would not take offense. To take offense was then her choice.
People pinned onto it what they wished to see. This post was mild compared to what I see being sent at people on the forum every day, and even some of the things I had to swallow today.


Soon going to take a nap...brain is heating up from overwork...and there is smoke coming out of my ears.


Really? ?

[Flash]

Ok flash, long before this thread there was another thread, where I suggested to another member who is now unsuscribed that he offer forgiveness instead of demanding apology, and everyone took two things from that thread, timelines and ho'oponopono. I was at work soon after talking about what all I'd learned about ho'oponopono, and one of my coworkers who is more secular minded said it sounded like "hoes and porno" and one day I shared this with the village and we all had a laugh about it. Just a little irreverent fun, but when you see anyone around here say hoes and porno, it means ho'oponopono.

No, I did catch that and found it funny, that saved you PL. It is the rest of your writings that I wonder about.

[Caren]

Your cats are beautiful Sierra as is your property :)
Enjoy your nap Ulli
@ Paula "Please pass the Ben and Jerry's"
Love and abundant Peace to all in the Village (hugs)

[astrid]

Astrid is using all her extra energy to work in the village garden,
it's been a while since i have set foot in there, and there is much to be done.
Hedges and trees need pruning, and i was even thinking of planting some more
fruit trees, some peaches and apples for a start.
It's a fine day for playing in the garden, if anyone want to join me you
are most welcome.

All is good, cycles do what cycles do, nature does not stop even if us mere mortals,
have to rest and unwind, life goes on regardless.

Love to all

[RunningDeer]

Your cats are beautiful Sierra as is your property :)
Enjoy your nap Ulli
@ Paula "Please pass the Ben and Jerry's"
Love and abundant Peace to all in the Village (hugs)


I brought extra. Dig in everybody. Plenty for all!
I've already had one today, but maybe I'll have some non-GMO popcorn.
BTW: 0 calories & 100% organic.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/Ben_Jerry.JPGhttp://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Ben_Jerry.jpg
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/funnybones.JPG

This little guys shares if you ask nicely.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Animals/Deer-popcorn.GIF

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Foods/iii.JPG

[Sierra]

I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

Aw sweetie. You're running one of your programs again, the beatmeup kind ... :hug: Big giant WhiteCrowBlackDear Heart graphic goes here ... --->

I don't think anyone can figure it out, deep waters. :) We just have to trust they will figure it out.

Sierra

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

By the way Sierra, those cats of yours are gorgeous! It reminded me of my dearly departed burmese cat, Jimmy. He was thirteen years old when he died. Since then, I have not even been able to consider becoming attached to another cat. One day in the future maybe.....

[RunningDeer]

I learned lots today - not sure I will remember the lesson but here's what I learned. Be careful when you jump into a thread... you may not have sufficient background. I went back to try and understand why things got weird. Then I felt bad about my own posts. I just thought I was having fun. Now I feel like a turd. justonedummy

Aw sweetie. You're running one of your programs again, the beatmeup kind ... :hug: Big giant WhiteCrowBlackDear Heart graphic goes here ... --->http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/beating_heart.GIF

I don't think anyone can figure it out, deep waters. :) We just have to trust they will figure it out.

Sierra

Martha dictated from under bed to Pippin who walked over key board to sent me a PM.
They put out a call for a big heart. http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Photoshop/beating_heart.gif Ta-da!

[Sierra]

Once, I ruined a hand loomed rainbow colored mohair throw rug (full size couch throwover). It's not like that you get to do that everyday.
Had a feeling it was a story like that. Glad your relationship with Mom survived that bump in the road.
Nah. I was visualizing the gorgeous rainbow mohair throw being thrown in the wash and coming out a dirty mauve color, about 2' X 2' shrunken down ... lol
Nah Nah... I was visualizing the mystical Carmody sitting on the beautiful rainbow mohaire throw that he had pitch on the floor, in deep meditation, so deep that his body started to emit intense heat and the mohair throw burned out. lol
as for what happened during the blackout, Carmody was running through the village wearing a rug and caught the attention of...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Bounce.JPG/220px-Bounce.JPG
he dropped the rug and ran...
Nah, nah, nah. I was visualizing the laid back Carmody falling asleep smokin' a fat one...which promtly caught it on fire. lol
Howling with laughter <bless you!>

[Sierra]

By the way Sierra, those cats of yours are gorgeous! It reminded me of my dearly departed burmese cat, Jimmy. He was thirteen years old when he died. Since then, I have not even been able to consider becoming attached to another cat. One day in the future maybe.....

Yes, it hurts (that is McKnao in my avatar). McKnao died at 18, and has been dead 3.5 years, and when we got the kitties home and settled, I went to bed and sobbed and sobbed for him. Kitties kicked stuff. :)

The vet while examining Martha and Pippin, said that we kept McKnao until he was 18 especially that he was diabetic, was amazing. (I felt like SUCH a proud mommy hearing that!)

Sierra

[RunningDeer]

The Village door is always open. It may take time to heal things. Everyone’s inner timing unfolds in it's proper sequence. Rushing it along will create knots. On some levels, they never left. I see them close by. Time. Patience. Healing. That’s what it’ll take.

Hear, hear. I'm thinking. Slowly. S l o w l y is best. Healthiest. Most healing. Breathing. Do something else to break the hypnotism of posting, the emotional stake, then come back. Music. Sing. Bath. Candles. Crickets. Quiet. Let the thunder dissipate in the distance. Hoes and porno. David asks me if I want another slice of pizza. Kitties cruising like sharks, it is six minutes to Feed The Babies Time. Crumpies are easy.

The deck shakes as the kitties rumble under the bed.

All is well.


And zoot, zoot, zoot, zoot & froggies & cricket. (for the multi-taskers - play together)

2KKHJVW7Y5I

xnMI64kXQA8

[Sierra]

now Jenci and Bob, I know both of you are feeling hurt over this, but I think Ulli would be happy if she woke up from her nap and found you two wandering around the village...

she normally keeps herself shielded, but energies have been crazy these last few weeks, inbound from the sun ranging from 14-16 on a scale of 1-10

Jenci looking back at your posts, I didn't see anything hurtful, Ulli even thanked what you shared...

Bob, or should I say Shrek... ;)

you have the inner peace to have already passed the hurt, drop in and say hi when you're ready...

if a Mod gets mad, don't worry, I'll take the penalty...

If a mod gets mad, I'll bop 'em one.

[Sierra]

Belle, when a healer is in pain, send love...

she is under a shield right now protected from further damage, we're all buds here and any attacks of negative energy will be rebounded, all of you be careful please...

I don't step into the fray often, well ok maybe I do...

but new and full moons, I'm drawn in more than I should be...

it has nothing to do with anyone in this thread, and words on a page should mean nothing between friends...

Love is sent to all
Words mean nothing between friends
Buds and Ulli safe

So mote it be.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Soon going to take a nap...brain is heating up from overwork...and there is smoke coming out of my ears.
Hauling another freezing cold bucket of Butte Creek water up the hill ... uh oh <going back for another bucket for Nora>

[Sierra]

Truth is, no one that is/was not involved does not know the extent of what happened. We have a few posts that are public. That's it. We do not know any private history or any private exchanges or the lack thereof. We do not know what/why each person said/did not say/reacted/did not react and/or what each of those involved emotionally brought to that exchange.

I am not pretending it didn't happen, whatever "it" was, but I do not have the magic wand in this as I'm effected but not a principal. The only thing I know to do is to share what I have, here.

Much Love,

Bump bump. You nailed it.

[astrid]

http://newparadigmastrology.com/astrology-forecast-for-october-2012.php

Tom's thoughts on what October has instal for the collective.

[Carmody]

The fire sale.

Isn't it interesting how it got lost in the mix?

Conceptually and otherwise....just..gone?

:whistle:

How did that happen?

[amandapoet]

Very thankful this thread remained opened, just starting to get comfortable and reluctant to leave--I'll take the good, bad, the ugly and miraculous, just the way I love unconditionally the members of my family. There are going to be sometimes I'm not going to like them, sometimes I can't be around them or vice versa--- but I'm always going to love them.

Anyway, I attmepted to keep up with the thread as it was going through lightening posting rounds, and see the resilience in keeping this thread currently open as an opportunity to grow and transform as this thread has done from the beginning (based on what I have had the chance to read through being the newcomer I am.)

Cheers to paradigm shifts and the dynamics of virtual families--
Amanda

[astrid]

18454

that there is some crazy sh!t...

I guess you just had to be there,
or not.

[Eram]

Each person must map their own next step.
It cannot be done by others.
The thing with forgiveness depends on dialogue between the parties involved.
Anyone who thinks that I ought to run after the two people in question
has not yet figured out that the are specific procedures.

So what if I were to ask bob to return? What about the others who felt that he had behaved wrong?
This is a process that must start with him. If he shows any consideration at all
and I still hold resentment then the burden is on me, isn't it?
Then we can really start talking about the injustice done to him.

Please people, try to understand and get above your own emotional levels
and sort the wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes.
All calls for unity, especially if one party is constantly demanding more than can be given,
can only lead to more confusion and conflict.

Wow, I was calmed down and overlooking much for the sake of peace in the village....until this post.

You are absolutely right, ulli. I have never even considered that there may be "specific procedures" to forgiveness.

And yes, by choice I, for one, am ruled by the heart (not emotion) much more than the mind...which is sharper than some may think (no need to go into IQ's now, is there?). Logic tells me that if the goal is reconciliation and forgiveness, then it doesn't matter who started what or who was right or wrong...it is more important to reach out than to allow some kind of false pride to stand in the way of the goal. Procedures be damned!

If the goal is to come out on top as tho' this was a competition, then by all means make them grovel...make them play by your rules. I wouldn't...but others might.

imo, you had an emotional, gut reaction to Jenci's post...feeling your position here was being threatened and going into defensive posture.... and are now trying to rationalize it all away. Fine. Do what you believe you must to protect your own self-image.

Having a hard time holding my Scorpio side back and needing to clear the bullsh!t. I'm amazed no one else has smelled it. Come on..."All calls for unity...can only lead to more confusion and conflict"? What kind of logic is that? Someone else could use sorting the "wheat from the chaff in your own thinking processes." I do not appreciate being patronized, especially by false logic.

If this post gets me banned from this thread, then so be it. One of my triggers has been pushed and I can no longer pretend the elephant in the room does not exist.

Sorry, Villagers...my inner bitch slipped out. I will put sweet, mundane Belle back on, blinders and all, and join others in pretending everything is fine.

The show is over. Please go back to your regularly scheduled program.


I'm amazed no one else has smelled it.

I certainly smelled it as well Belle and I'm having a hard time too, to go on with business as usual.

When Ulli states that there is infinite space for all here, then that goes for challenging ones ideologies as well and no means of control should be used to regulate all this (banning people from the thread).

I have witnessed several posts where Ulli challenged ideologies and belief systems of others and if done with respect, this is no problem imo.

Jenci and Another Bob have used respect too as far as I can see.


imo, you had an emotional, gut reaction to Jenci's post...feeling your position here was being threatened and going into defensive posture.... and are now trying to rationalize it all away.

This is what I observe as well.
And you know what? It is ok! We are all humans and nobody is perfect and I love Ulli no less,
but sweeping this under the carpet and go on like nothing happened is not the way to go, if we want to feel safe here.

I think it is not best to get the mind past the problem in this case.

I would call for an official re-invitation to another bob and Jenci, as a statement that words have been said, but finally every one has come to their senses and things may return to normal.

This experiment is an alive entity that is bigger then the individual, but if individuals are sacrificed for the sake of it's purpose, then the entity itself looses all integrity.

[araucaria]

There is no way one can ever have unity without justice. And justice must be blind.
No preferences.
Injustice is imbalance, justice is balance.
Right now my equilibrium is pretty shot, because people who would not look at the evidence came bursting in my door and threw rotten tomatoes at me.
And yes, NancyV, if you haven't noticed why the thread became so long, I will tell you why.
Up until now people on this thread have minded their manners and respected the non-written Village rules.
One of which was no overt display of arrogance and haughtiness.
So I take it those rules applied to all the villagers but not to you?

¤=[Post Update]=¤



I have been on this forum since it began and do not consider myself a "stranger". If you choose to consider that I am a stranger more power to you. So you are saying that it's the number of posts in this thread that makes one a villager or "stranger"? I see. I didn't realize that this was an exclusive club which considered other long time members to be "strangers". Thanks, Sierra, for helping me understand the REAL picture.

I love you Nancy and thus I have to tell you, this just falls into the energy patterns that started this whole speedbump -- which namely is people having a propensity toward having their feelings hurt and responding to those feelings. Think about it -- it's the single disruptive energy that was here for all this, but it has a tendency to grow into other energies really fast.

I'm pretty sure no one really intended to hurt anyone here on this thread anywhere.

Now, let's get back to "Here and Now"

I just finished watching the video on the thread "****s going to hit the fan soon and here's proof!" -- I usually avoid videos with titles like that but this one sums everything up pretty quickly, and it still paints a bit of a doom and gloom, but does not hype it or glorify it. Better than I was expecting anyway.
I love you too, DeDuk! Don't always have to agree with someone to love them.

Come on Nancy, give it a rest; it must be very late in Vancouver :) People in the US were saying goodnight a couple of hours ago. :)

You have it upside down with time Auracaria (can never be quite sure if I spelled that name right). It is early morning in Vancouver. :p Lots and lots of coffee.

Ah Flash, you noticed my deliberate… mini pole shift :) I hope Nancy got my little joke, which is all it was. If I had any serious intent, it would be that it would be a sad day if we couldn’t give each other the time of day.

You don’t need a full-blooded pole shift for things to go briefly topsy-turvy. A total solar eclipse will do the trick. You have dusk gradually falling from the east, a brief night, and daylight returning from the west. Sunday was one of those days, the Goodnighters must have been having their breakfast.

Right now it is morning here, and no doubt late at night in Vancouver, so things have straightened out in time :).

And yes, you got my name upside down (or back to front), I find this so upsetting, you won’t believe it.

At least I hope you won’t ;)

[araucaria]

@Belle


Having a hard time holding my Scorpio side back and needing to clear the bullsh!t. Ah, the Scorpio side! I occasionally see that from close range: the sudden glint in the eye, sometimes in mid-sentence, and the appropriate response – uh oh, fasten safety belts, turbulence ahead :)

[araucaria]

One of my reasons for choosing the name was that he had a colleague I was not so keen on, called… Atticus. He has another called Paul, but this was when the Pythonic Cow was still coming out of the closet
Well ... not surprisingly this caught my eye :).

I read all the way to the end of this thread, hoping for an explanation of what it meant (lordy, this has been a fast moving thread.) Though I saw a couple more references to it and a sort of explanation, I'm still mystified. Not surprisingly so ... I tend to the more literal minded nerd side of things, and would be lousy at cryptic puzzles.

So if I may ask ... can you translate?

Feel free to decline this request, or to remain (from my bovine perspective) cryptic. Do as you will.

Thanks.

Hi Paul,

Paul is the pseudo of one of these crossword setters, that's all. I was talking about a time when you were just a mod in training, so it was perfectly irrelevant. But let me take this opportunity to thank you and the other mods for all the good work in making this forum what it is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crosswords/cryptic/25739/print

[Calz]

If a mod gets mad, I'll bop 'em one.



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[astrid]

18455

amazing

[ViralSpiral]

http://newparadigmastrology.com/astrology-forecast-for-october-2012.php

Tom's thoughts on what October has instal for the collective.



Thank you Astrid

You have opened my windows for me to see new perspectives with all that you share.
As have others here too


The written word is often-times misinterpreted and I am guilty of projecting muddled thoughts. Still, I have so much fire in my belly, I might combust - so kindly indulge me as I try to diffuse myself……
(its okay to skip as tldr *cough)*)


The article Astrid posted, promoted me to pick up the stolen torch, a la Prometheus style

So this month will present us with opportunities, which we may label as threatening, dangerous, unfair, or unreal. Situations, events, and people that challenge us to see our weaknesses, our faults, our projections, basically, our unconscious patterns that are buried so deep we cannot recognize them ourselves but need the objective, outside world to mirror them back to us. One response is the initial “NO, that’s not me/mine! That’s you/yours!”, quickly followed by the fight/flight response in an attempt to avoid it, ignore it, and hope it goes away so our lives will return to “normal” and we avoid the change. It will take all the courage of the spiritual warrior within us to remain in the depths of the inferno as our new self is getting forged by the fires of spirit (in this case – “the other”).


One of this earth incarnation's projects is injustice. My intense absorption in community building et al can, paradoxically, dominate my life. I care very deeply and tend to exclude ambiguity, taking care of the underdog thereby exposing (or projecting) my own vulnerability. When I see ambiguity its the red rag being waved in front of the bull. How can a person of moral integrity, compromise?
Integrity being both mysterious and a leeeeeeeeeeedle ambiguous as its in the eyes of the beholder, nest pas? Perspective.

Hey, you try living in a vehicle fuelled by social 8 (enneagram) , Aqaurian with Moon in Gemini/Sun in Aquarius/Mars in Cancer/Uranus in Leo gasoline :)


Back to the article

The feelings of helplessness, powerlessness, futility, and despair will signal that we are facing old, deep wounds in ourselves, and in the collective that go back generations, even millennium, and are now to be seen, owned, opened, washed, and healed. The tendency to judge ourselves and the other will be one response to resist change, protect ourselves, and cower down in familiar childish patterns that blame and resent “the big bad world” for making our lives so hard. Seen in another light, it is an attempt to solve with the head, matters of the heart, to remain in the head and ignore the feelings which are where evolution truly occurs.

I do not resist change and am constantly working on healing wounds. The above paragraph was truly illuminating. Not new but with new eyes….


A second common response to self/life/security threatening situations and people is anger. It’s the big gun in our arsenal of defense mechanisms.

This is where I usually get good at polishing my pistol, and reloading. ;)


We cannot truly separate what we hold anger toward, it is self-destructive in the end, as we know on a soul level the hurt/pain caused, the shame of remaining small and having alienated and distanced ourselves from a source of self-knowledge, understanding, and potential healing
These energies, as present within the gestalt of our times, will continue to increase in vibrational frequency; much like the speeding up of molecules that make the temperature rise!


Yes, I see and feel it.


And so…. I resheath my pistol and wave to the man in the hat (bearing the word: integrity), trotting gently away on his mottled horse. "See ya, buddy"

In my next life I'd like to be one of Sierra's cats!!
Thank you please


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[Chester]

This was a lesson for me. On the one hand, there is an unspoken barrier that we are all supposed to know is a line that should not be crossed in this safe place. On the other hand, comments invite responses. The responses come from a loving intention. The creation of the safe place comes from a loving intention.

The membership in the safe place is dependent upon each member's ability to know where that line is and their ability to honor that line.

Some of us may come upon the village, see it is there, and decide not to stop by.

Some may want to explore the village, even offer something to the village.

Some want to become a part of the village.

Some want to protect the village.

Some want to blow up the village.

I am glad the village is still here.

I am glad I get to stay.

I am glad to accept my own responsibility in honoring that ever moving invisible line I started to cross yesterday under the guise of standing up for friends but more because I was just in one of those moods.

Yes, I love New York... but yesterday afternoon and evening, I spent reading posts in this village and found myself glad I was not in New York.

Some sort of jay bird is squawking off in the distance as the steady rumble of the highway 500 meters to the north catches my attention. The mosquitoes must have found a more palatable food source this morning. Good things sometimes do happen.

Love to ALL
Chester

[Chester]

This is what I observe as well.
And you know what? It is ok! We are all humans and nobody is perfect and I love Ulli no less,
but sweeping this under the carpet and go on like nothing happened is not the way to go, if we want to feel safe here.

I think it is not best to get the mind past the problem in this case.

I would call for an official re-invitation to another bob and Jenci, as a statement that words have been said, but finally every one has come to their senses and things may return to normal.

This experiment is an alive entity that is bigger then the individual, but if individuals are sacrificed for the sake of it's purpose, then the entity itself looses all integrity.

I am not a village elder, but I see this idea as a true example of taking the high road. A true example of the best form of self moderation. Very sound points Waky... in fact, many of your posts make me want to call you - WakyUppy.

[Belle]

Feeling very exposed and vunerable, I take full responsibility for my last post and sincerely apologize for any ill feelings such a post may have caused the Village, and especially ulli.

I cannot place blame on the energies...having learned to ground and redirect such energies for good purpose (thank you, Rocky, for the advice you gave me on another thread...it really does work). It is my lack of self-management and control that allowed me to prepare a post when I knew it would be better to step away from the computer...and submit the post instead of deleting it as a part of me so desperately wanted. Such is the struggle of one with Sun in Leo, Moon in Aquarius, Ascendent Scorpio with Mars in the ninth house....not an excuse, just revealing the two minds at odds in the one body and my failure to choose better.

I, too, have a very strong reaction to injustice and underdogs. It's been a life-long struggle deal with situations in which I perceive a perpetuator ending up being treated as a victim while the victims are expected to be strong enough to just forgive and forget. And yes, this is my own projection, having been in the position of being the stronger person myself so very many times as the perpetuator was protected and cared for and no one stood up for me.

Just once I would like to see justice for the real victims...Let me rephrase that...just once I would have appreciated the person who misunderstood and/or attacked me take responsibility for their actions with an admission of their part in creating the drama, bringing it all out in the open (lancing the wound, so to speak) that healing for all can occur. How many times I wished I could say, "I forgive your part, please forgive my part in this" that we both could come out of it stronger and more loving, with a deeper understanding of ourselves and others.

My own woundedness took precedence over my better judgment...I'm so sorry.

I would like to remain as part of the Village if you could find it in your hearts to forgive me. I can't promise that there will be no more outbursts...as WCBD says, we are all a work in process...and I have a lot more work to do. I sure can use all the help I can get.

[PurpleLama]

That's funny, Chester, I was coming here, just now, to suggest that the only requirements to be a "villager" be participation and self-moderation. In patience with each other and ourselves, the village will continue and be better than ever, IMHO.

[PurpleLama]

I do disagree, there should be no rules unspoken, no invisible lines to trap the unwary. This is not how we roll.

[Chester]

This was a lesson for me. On the one hand, there is an unspoken barrier that we are all supposed to know is a line that should not be crossed in this safe place. On the other hand, comments invite responses. The responses come from a loving intention.

After the storm was well under way, I went back into the thread to try and understand how the heck the storm even started. I saw comments by jenci that seemed only to be heartfelt responses that had nothing but loving intent behind them. I then read reactions I did not understand but now accept that perhaps there was history and thus unless I knew the history, how could I understand?


The creation of the safe place comes from a loving intention.

This strange 48 or so hours is an example of why, perhaps, humanity is not yet visibly moving to a "next level" or "the next dimension" or "ascending" or whatever word we might want to describe our own hope and dream for humanity.

I saw my own failure in the process, played the beat myself up game (Sierra caught - thanks Sierra) but it still seems an opportunity here is perhaps being missed. I hope it is only just being delayed. Moonday... yeeeehaw!

Love to All Chester

[ulli]

Also, among the many fine considerations, I am acknowledging Jeanette's post above as well worth pondering.

Thank you all for your continued participation in this communal process!

Blessings!




Great to see you again, Bob.
I saw Jenci's post but didn't want to comment as it is for her to sort out herself if she is feeling at odds with the Village.
But since you asked us to ponder:

I would feel at odds too, if I thought I needed to fix things by telling the fixers to stop fixing.

Jenci, relax, unconditional love is all over this thread, even amongst the healers and fixers.
Trust in your Source. Go within. Don't worry about preaching to the lurkers.
You are not here to start a movement.
Jesus, as much as I love Buddhists, it's the Westerners who keep missing the point the Buddha wanted to make who need the whack of the One hand!
There, I said it.



So up there is the culprit that started everything.
(Or was it Jenci's earlier post? where she expressed that she did not like the way things were done in the Village)

The point I wanted to make is the bolded line. It shows where I had been triggered....
In my obsessive need to find the answer, and I knew this was like a Zen koan.
..so my brain got short circuited, trying to find a solution to her dilemma and also realizing there could never be one, other than to take her own counsel, and not try and fix things.
But I was also feeling it in my chest, knowing how many well intentioned healers we have here, who are already deeply connected with their Source. They did not need to be told by Jenci to do so. I identified with their dilemma, too, but still thought it better to leave it alone. So I did not respond.

Yet another bob could not leave it alone. He gave her post that extra push by reposting it.
it was this push that made me come out with my opinion about it, which was admittedly expressed in an exasperated tone, but the point had to be made that we cannot go round telling others what is wrong with them. We have the option to leave. There can be no other way

Go within, do yourself, what you want to see others do. It never works to herd others into a certain direction, they are not sheeple, they are cats.
They are sovereign individuals. That is the secret of this Village thread and why it has lasted so long.

When I came to Costa Rica 21 years ago I was at odds with Costa Rica and wanted to change every Costa Rican I met, and teach them about honesty.
I failed miserably. I learnt that you cannot change a country, that you cannot change another person, that you can only change yourself. So in the end I did my homework.
I went within, while living a quiet life.

The alternative is called preaching. Telling others how to be and what must be done is what all the clergymen of all the religions of the world are doing, and failing at.
Sure they are finding adherents. And some even want to become clergy themselves.

But in the end the best way to find one's spiritual home is through independent research. The Internet provides lots of options, it is a labyrinth. Some get lost in there and others find the gold.

The Village has one rule, No one preaches at one another, no one goes around nitpicking.
There is no such thing as constructive criticism here, nor censorship, only alternative solutions can be offered. In the spirit of love and mutual respect.

I have decided never to close the thread now.
Unless it is temporary, when tanks start driving down Main Street, like yesterday.

But I won't risk my health by defending it again. Let everyone who loves the Village atmosphere remember the rule above. If they don't agree they can find or start another village.
All is well.


P.S. all Marianne did was re emphasize that important rule.
She was told she was beating a dead horse.
The rest is history.

[1inMany]

Good Morning,

Struggling to get a handle, keeping a firm grasp of my anchor with one hand while using the other to mundane chores. Rocky and Belle, please share what works for you in keeping a sense of sanity while energies are rockin' and rollin'!

Got one off to school, saved the other school from the human F-bomb. It is a challenge to remain an anchor myself, but I am giving it all I've got. Even when it doesn't feel like I am doing anything but standing and staring with my jaw on the floor, haha.

It is a beautiful, crisp morning. Nestled in the trees in northeastern Texas is quite a comfort. Though I don't connect with nature's energies the way some Villagers are gifted enough to do, I am aware of the gift of their energies and I love the protection of the trees. They are like having a much bigger comfy blanket :)

Ya know, I don't think there are Village rules, per se. I believe we have guidelines, and if you look at this part of the introduction maybe you can see what I mean:

Then came Project Avalon, and Bill Ryan's standards in civility made it to the Internet
with a 95% balanced moderator team.
And still, people were arguing about other people's speculations.
A need for reporting reality (never mind how mundane) arose and I was prompted to start this thread.

To begin with the early posters shared those (never mind how mundane) moments of their lives...
which resulted in the discovery that we all had more in common than expected.
and somehow an intimacy developed.
Intimacy means comfort, and comfort means warmth, and warmth means energy.

As this energy was being exchanged it grew and grew and people started to feel their own energy levels going up.

And this, my dear newcomers, is the point of this thread!
You are all welcome to help yourselves here.
Anything you wish to share is accepted, without judgment...
We are a loving bunch.
Please feel FREE and COZY in the Village.
As they say in Costa Rica: Mi Casa es Tu Casa (which means in English 'my house is your house')

Or "Our Village is Your Village".

It seems that the Village had grown and evolved by the time I arrived. It had gone from a place to simply state your reality to a place where the commonalities among those who stop by were magnified, and the different opinions were left to be discussed and debated in the forum at large. I guess I see it like this. While differences and samenesses (making up my own word there) become apparent in the forum at large, and while realizing this can be a catalyst for growth, the Village has become a place of comfort. What makes this comfort (and remember, as my signature says this is simply my truth) is the acceptance of each other and the blind support of each other. The blind support comes from not needing to agree with everyone in the Village, but it is more than a tolerance of differences. It is the honest and heartfeld ability to read another's post and appreciate where that is coming from.

If I may borrow a couple of pennies from you Dedukshyn, that's my 2 cents :)

Much Love,

[Chester]

I do disagree, there should be no rules unspoken, no invisible lines to trap the unwary. This is not how we roll.

But is it not true that no matter what rules are put in place, those rules are interpreted by each and every one of us? And that in that interpretation, one may perceive the rule differently than another? And that at the end of the day, when a conflict arises due to one or more villagers interpreting a rule differently... such that someone crosses some line that is also simply an interpretation that one or more third parties interpret and then must step in to make a ruling... isn't this all and only the way of humanity throughout our known history done things? And where has that gotten humanity?

And I read the OP and subsequent early posts about the rules and I had to interpret what those rules meant and I perceieve I did not violate any rule directly. But what I also realized is that I crossed a line yesterday that the Chester of integrity would not have crossed. Did I violate a rule? I am unsure. Did I compromise my own integrity? Definitely.

Just thoughts... from justoneman

[ulli]

I do disagree, there should be no rules unspoken, no invisible lines to trap the unwary. This is not how we roll.

But is it not true that no matter what rules are put in place, those rules are interpreted by each and every one of us? And that in that interpretation, one may perceive the rule differently than another? And that at the end of the day, when a conflict arises due to one or more villagers interpreting a rule differently... such that someone crosses some line that is also simply an interpretation that one or more third parties interpret and then must step in to make a ruling... isn't this all and only the way of humanity throughout our known history done things? And where has that gotten humanity?

And I read the OP and subsequent early posts about the rules and I had to interpret what those rules meant and I perceieve I did not violate any rule directly. But what I also realized is that I crossed a line yesterday that the Chester of integrity would not have crossed. Did I violate a rule? I am unsure. Did I compromise my own integrity? Definitely.

Just thoughts... from justoneman

If the Chester of integrity is that strict with himself he could make a better Village mayor than Ulli.
Leadership is still necessary, but the leaders need to be top notch, which I'm not.
Despite writing 32 posts yesterday I still failed at clarifying the situation.
Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?

[Chester]

I do disagree, there should be no rules unspoken, no invisible lines to trap the unwary. This is not how we roll.

But is it not true that no matter what rules are put in place, those rules are interpreted by each and every one of us? And that in that interpretation, one may perceive the rule differently than another? And that at the end of the day, when a conflict arises due to one or more villagers interpreting a rule differently... such that someone crosses some line that is also simply an interpretation that one or more third parties interpret and then must step in to make a ruling... isn't this all and only the way of humanity throughout our known history done things? And where has that gotten humanity?

And I read the OP and subsequent early posts about the rules and I had to interpret what those rules meant and I perceieve I did not violate any rule directly. But what I also realized is that I crossed a line yesterday that the Chester of integrity would not have crossed. Did I violate a rule? I am unsure. Did I compromise my own integrity? Definitely.

Just thoughts... from justoneman

I posted the above then went back and saw Ulli had posted. In reading Ulli's post, I saw someone who looked at the whole situation as it happened, owned up to their own role in it, made a good case regarding why she reacted, clarified for me the underlying and foundational guideline about what this thread is supposed to be about, which was created by Ulli and I feel a huge sense of understanding now that I did not have when I stumbled into this village just yesterday.

I read in some other posts that perhaps one or more posters have been asked to not post in this thread? If that is the case, could it not be possible to directly invite them back, apologize directly for any reaction that may have been taken personally and and that we hopefully can learn better where this actual line, rule, guideline is drawn?

Seems that would be taking the highest road possible.

justoneidea from justoneman

[ThePythonicCow]

So up there is ...
I applied more conventional quoting syntax to your post ... hope that's OK :).

[Chester]

If the Chester of integrity is that strict with himself he could make a better Village mayor than Ulli.
Leadership is still necessary, but the leaders need to be top notch, which I'm not.
Despite writing 32 posts yesterday I still failed at clarifying the situation.
Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?

I am inconsistent, Ulli - today I might be a good mayor, tomorrow I might be a dangerous policeman with a gun... I have lots more personal growth to get to a stage a village should feel comfortable in relying on me. I knew I was being a jerk yesterday - this is my second nail in the fence at Avalon... removed but a hole remains, still very clear and visible. Love Chester

Also, I personally apologize to you. Was unacceptable some of my posts.

[ulli]

So up there is ...
I applied more conventional quoting syntax to your post ... hope that's OK :).

Awesome. Was hoping you would.

[araucaria]

Good Morning,

Struggling to get a handle, keeping a firm grasp of my anchor with one hand while using the other to mundane chores. Rocky and Belle, please share what works for you in keeping a sense of sanity while energies are rockin' and rollin'!

Got one off to school, saved the other school from the human F-bomb. It is a challenge to remain an anchor myself, but I am giving it all I've got. Even when it doesn't feel like I am doing anything but standing and staring with my jaw on the floor, haha.

It is a beautiful, crisp morning. Nestled in the trees in northeastern Texas is quite a comfort. Though I don't connect with nature's energies the way some Villagers are gifted enough to do, I am aware of the gift of their energies and I love the protection of the trees. They are like having a much bigger comfy blanket :)

Ya know, I don't think there are Village rules, per se. I believe we have guidelines, and if you look at this part of the introduction maybe you can see what I mean:

Then came Project Avalon, and Bill Ryan's standards in civility made it to the Internet
with a 95% balanced moderator team.
And still, people were arguing about other people's speculations.
A need for reporting reality (never mind how mundane) arose and I was prompted to start this thread.

To begin with the early posters shared those (never mind how mundane) moments of their lives...
which resulted in the discovery that we all had more in common than expected.
and somehow an intimacy developed.
Intimacy means comfort, and comfort means warmth, and warmth means energy.

As this energy was being exchanged it grew and grew and people started to feel their own energy levels going up.

And this, my dear newcomers, is the point of this thread!
You are all welcome to help yourselves here.
Anything you wish to share is accepted, without judgment...
We are a loving bunch.
Please feel FREE and COZY in the Village.
As they say in Costa Rica: Mi Casa es Tu Casa (which means in English 'my house is your house')

Or "Our Village is Your Village". It seems that the Village had grown and evolved by the time I arrived. It had gone from a place to simply state your reality to a place where the commonalities among those who stop by were magnified, and the different opinions were left to be discussed and debated in the forum at large. I guess I see it like this. While differences and samenesses (making up my own word there) become apparent in the forum at large, and while realizing this can be a catalyst for growth, the Village has become a place of comfort. What makes this comfort (and remember, as my signature says this is simply my truth) is the acceptance of each other and the blind support of each other. The blind support comes from not needing to agree with everyone in the Village, but it is more than a tolerance of differences. It is the honest and heartfeld ability to read another's post and appreciate where that is coming from.

If I may borrow a couple of pennies from you Dedukshyn, that's my 2 cents :)

Much Love,

A dollar for your thoughts, 1inMany. I don't like to see you scrounging for loose change like that, and now you can regale us with another 50 posts :)

I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

I'm just back from a game of tennis (about as rusty as the clay court :)). We play to the rules, of course, but as we are not playing for points in the ATP rankings, we don't dispute every close linecall; if in any doubt we'd rather concede the point. This is how we interpret the rules amongst ourselves, and it would be 'off topic' for some new guy making up numbers to deviate significantly from that. There may be a slight disagreement with a call, but nothing winning the next point won't put right :). You just relax, enjoy each other's company and help each other to make a decent game of it.

[1inMany]

This is a test for everyone, isn't it? What if I do not see happen what I think is "right"? Will I stay? What if you (whoever you are) do not see happen what you think is "right"? Will you stay? This is just one idea, and I'm not asking anyone else to accept it. Maybe think about it, but it would be un-Villager-like of me to ask anyone else to adopt this way of looking at things. There are 24 people looking at this thread as I post this. I wonder, if each offered what they think would be "right" if there would be 24 different "rights." I am letting go of what I think is "right" in this situation, right now. Because it is not for me to kick someone's butt in the "right" direction. It is for me to share...as it always has been for me...in hopes that I may reach one other person who is struggling through this awakening process, or this whatever it is. Maybe I can inspire someone, maybe I can help someone, join whatever energies I can muster with that of the other Villagers and send peace or comfort or healing.

Love you All,

[Lisab]

Well then Justoneman, when your a jerk you sure are a lovable jerk! Love having you here in the village.

Big hug to Belle, Ulli and all.

[RunningDeer]

“And that at the end of the day, when a conflict arises due to one or more villagers interpreting a rule differently... such that someone crosses some line that is also simply an interpretation that one or more third parties interpret and then must step in to make a ruling... isn't this all and only the way of humanity throughout our known history done things? And where has that gotten humanity?”

Good points, justoneman. Another possibility is the two parties work together towards clarifying what is said. See it as points of view without judgement interjected. In the end, it might be that the solution is, “we agree to disagree”. Period. The End.

IMO: All thoughts just are point of views. Why get so hung up on them? They’re just letters strung together. If POVs are shared with integrity, then what’s lasting is the warm, cuddly stuff beyond the words.



I do disagree, there should be no rules unspoken, no invisible lines to trap the unwary. This is not how we roll.

But is it not true that no matter what rules are put in place, those rules are interpreted by each and every one of us? And that in that interpretation, one may perceive the rule differently than another? And that at the end of the day, when a conflict arises due to one or more villagers interpreting a rule differently... such that someone crosses some line that is also simply an interpretation that one or more third parties interpret and then must step in to make a ruling... isn't this all and only the way of humanity throughout our known history done things? And where has that gotten humanity?

And I read the OP and subsequent early posts about the rules and I had to interpret what those rules meant and I perceieve I did not violate any rule directly. But what I also realized is that I crossed a line yesterday that the Chester of integrity would not have crossed. Did I violate a rule? I am unsure. Did I compromise my own integrity? Definitely.

Just thoughts... from justoneman

[ulli]

If the Chester of integrity is that strict with himself he could make a better Village mayor than Ulli.
Leadership is still necessary, but the leaders need to be top notch, which I'm not.
Despite writing 32 posts yesterday I still failed at clarifying the situation.
Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?

I am inconsistent, Ulli - today I might be a good mayor, tomorrow I might be a dangerous policeman with a gun... I have lots more personal growth to get to a stage a village should feel comfortable in relying on me. I knew I was being a jerk yesterday - this is my second nail in the fence at Avalon... removed but a hole remains, still very clear and visible. Love Chester

Also, I personal apologize to you. Was unacceptable some of my posts.

I have no recall of being offended by you at all. I already said that your presence was very welcome due to the positive energy you provided. If you think that your New York City comment was the one, let me tell you it was one of the few moments where I did an LOL....
it showed me also that you were a free person, who can make their own choices in life and come and go as they please.
It is this I would like to see in everybody.
I'm not too clingy about people here, even though some exists left me a little sad. But it is their choice.
The other thing:
Inconsistency....yeah, sigh, tell me about it!
Sticking with the Village has been a great exercise for me in that regard. No one here knows how often I felt like moving on.
But I really like the people here.

[ThePythonicCow]

Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?
It's easier to baffle (both one's self and the listener) with B.S. when speaking in one's native tongue. If one looks at only those who have learned and are speaking in a second tongue (especially in the case of Americans, who like myself are notoriously monolingual), and if one considers only what those people get around to saying in a second tongue, there is a higher chance that they actually have something of substance, or at least of clear concept, to say.

[Flash]

Ulli mentioned my post and I thought i should repost again, just to make it better understandable by everyone, including those who may not have read it. With Ulli's post on the previous page, it makes sense imho



From Flash: If you reopen the thread, I give you the permission to post the following on it. I had written it but lost it when I came to post because the thread was closed.

Here it goes:


From Ulli "Im responding to the bolded part. The imagined slights of others and of self. And the "nobody" ....
" Nobody?" You are speaking on behalf of others, as if you know for sure?
The lines are blurring again.

The moment someone steps up to another, and perceiving a flaw, points it out, the other feels forced to make a split decision...respond or ignore.

When the pressure is increased the response may not come out as fine-tuned as it normally would,
and that's when someone's communication skills become apparent.
I'm here on an open forum, where I'm talking with people I have never met before, and some of whom may not have my best interest at heart, nor that of the Village."
If I understood well, I just, for the first time, truly start getting a glimpse at the thread's experience or what we may call Ulli's experience. I had felt it before, knew it was something special, but my mind was not up there yet.

You are saying that we can, here, hold or own ourselves completely, entirely. The experience is one of owning oneself. No need for generalisation, no need for talking for others, no need for religious thinking or teachng, if I am owning myself completely. Generalisations, religious ideas or talking for others is only used to emphasize my owning of myself.

The problem with generalisation, religious teachings, talking for others is that they are the premises for dualism and lost of oneself.

You want here to offer an environment that is protected/protective for owning oneself completely. This is the law of Ulli's land (metaphorically speaking). Getting in the depth of oneself, sharing the ownership joy and sadness, owning oneself completely.

No need to give lessons, just comments from oneself. No need to judge, owning oneself. Duality has disappeared, nothing to replace it (forget the dualistic thinking of " all one versus present dualities").

Am I right? Is it what it is about?

If so, I have never seen such a proposition anywhere much less on any forum. It litterally makes my tears come up and my heart ring a charade stabilising at another level. (sorry Carmody for a glimpse of my beliefs appearing again, I work with who I presently am )

This is what I felt so special about the thread and the group of people on it, this "all in it being themselves, owning oneself" whichever oneself we are.


Ulli's post from the precedent page:



So up there is the culprit that started everything.
(Or was it Jenci's earlier post? where she expressed that she did not like the way things were done in the Village)

The point I wanted to make is the bolded line. It shows where I had been triggered....
In my obsessive need to find the answer, and I knew this was like a Zen koan.
..so my brain got short circuited, trying to find a solution to her dilemma and also realizing there could never be one, other than to take her own counsel, and not try and fix things.
But I was also feeling it in my chest, knowing how many well intentioned healers we have here, who are already deeply connected with their Source. They did not need to be told by Jenci to do so. I identified with their dilemma, too, but still thought it better to leave it alone. So I did not respond.

Yet another bob could not leave it alone. He gave her post that extra push by reposting it.
it was this push that made me come out with my opinion about it, which was admittedly expressed in an exasperated tone, but the point had to be made that we cannot go round telling others what is wrong with them. We have the option to leave. There can be no other way

Go within, do yourself, what you want to see others do. It never works to herd others into a certain direction, they are not sheeple, they are cats.
They are sovereign individuals. That is the secret of this Village thread and why it has lasted so long.

When I came to Costa Rica 21 years ago I was at odds with Costa Rica and wanted to change every Costa Rican I met, and teach them about honesty.
I failed miserably. I learnt that you cannot change a country, that you cannot change another person, that you can only change yourself. So in the end I did my homework.
I went within, while living a quiet life.

The alternative is called preaching. Telling others how to be and what must be done is what all the clergymen of all the religions of the world are doing, and failing at.
Sure they are finding adherents. And some even want to become clergy themselves.

But in the end the best way to find one's spiritual home is through independent research. The Internet provides lots of options, it is a labyrinth. Some get lost in there and others find the gold.

The Village has one rule, No one preaches at one another, no one goes around nitpicking.
There is no such thing as constructive criticism here, nor censorship, only alternative solutions can be offered. In the spirit of love and mutual respect.

I have decided never to close the thread now.
Unless it is temporary, when tanks start driving down Main Street, like yesterday.

But I won't risk my health by defending it again. Let everyone who loves the Village atmosphere remember the rule above. If they don't agree they can find or start another village.
All is well.


P.S. all Marianne did was re emphasize that important rule.
She was told she was beating a dead horse.
The rest is history.



To me it is pretty clear, when put together. Hopefully,

That is it, my habitual hesitation in my abilities to understand surface again.... speak to yourself Flash, speak to yourself Flash, red light of false beliefs about oneself. lol

[Chester]

Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?
It's easier to baffle (both one's self and the listener) with B.S. when speaking in one's native tongue. If one looks at only those who have learned and are speaking in a second tongue (especially in the case of Americans, who like myself are notoriously monolingual), and if one considers only what those people get around to saying in a second tongue, there is a higher chance that they actually have something of substance, or at least of clear concept, to say.

Intiendo Pablo, y gracias para hablar este punto.

I understand Paul, and thanks for speaking this point.

[Belle]

I posted the above then went back and saw Ulli had posted. In reading Ulli's post, I saw someone who looked at the whole situation as it happened, owned up to their own role in it, made a good case regarding why she reacted, clarified for me the underlying and foundational guideline about what this thread is supposed to be about, which was created by Ulli and I feel a huge sense of understanding now that I did not have when I stumbled into this village just yesterday.

justoneidea from justoneman

Thank you, justoneman, for this post....you said it much better than I could have.

I rarely pm...preferring to bring things out into the open than to backchannel...

So to ulli, I'm so sorry for any distress my words may have caused you. Thank you so much for your post...it could not have been easy to put it all out there. You have my utmost respect and love...truly an example for all of us to follow.

[Flash]

Araucaria and Flash did a brilliant job. What is it about French speakers, I wonder?
It's easier to baffle (both one's self and the listener) with B.S. when speaking in one's native tongue. If one looks at only those who have learned and are speaking in a second tongue (especially in the case of Americans, who like myself are notoriously monolingual), and if one considers only what those people get around to saying in a second tongue, there is a higher chance that they actually have something of substance, or at least of clear concept, to say.

I wish it were that. Our motivation must be just a bit higher. Otherwise, stupidity is shared in all justice, equally, across humanity. lol

Edit: I meant BS, well , almost :rolleyes:[

[araucaria]

Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

[Flash]

Hey guys, we have a political party here with two head directing it. May be we could have two head for the thread, to relieve Ulli from overwork. Justoneman offered. What do you, villagers, do you think about this? And Ulli and Justoneman of course?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

The proof being that : my answer was more diplomatic than yours araucaria. ROLF two diplomats, but one in France itself with its pride vs the quebecer humility.

[Chester]

I posted the above then went back and saw Ulli had posted. In reading Ulli's post, I saw someone who looked at the whole situation as it happened, owned up to their own role in it, made a good case regarding why she reacted, clarified for me the underlying and foundational guideline about what this thread is supposed to be about, which was created by Ulli and I feel a huge sense of understanding now that I did not have when I stumbled into this village just yesterday.

justoneidea from justoneman

Thank you, justoneman, for this post....you said it much better than I could have.

I rarely pm...preferring to bring things out into the open than to backchannel...

So to ulli, I'm so sorry for any distress my words may have caused you. Thank you so much for your post...it could not have been easy to put it all out there. You have my utmost respect and love...truly an example for all of us to follow.

Thanks for taking the high road - I hope you accept my soon to be sent friendship request. Love Chester

[RunningDeer]

A dollar for your thoughts, 1inMany. I don't like to see you scrounging for loose change like that, and now you can regale us with another 50 posts :)

I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

I'm just back from a game of tennis (about as rusty as the clay court :)). We play to the rules, of course, but as we are not playing for points in the ATP rankings, we don't dispute every close linecall; if in any doubt we'd rather concede the point. This is how we interpret the rules amongst ourselves, and it would be 'off topic' for some new guy making up numbers to deviate significantly from that. There may be a slight disagreement with a call, but nothing winning the next point won't put right :). You just relax, enjoy each other's company and help each other to make a decent game of it.


I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

Staying on topic. Panic.... Noooooo!. A rule I cannot not live with....this body-mind does goofy, unpredictable things. That's my strength and my weakness. Nooooooo! Get me oudda here.

It's the diversity of shared opinions, feelings, methodologies, soaps, scythe, cats, power animals, funny photos, laughter, sadness, cheer, silliness that keeps me coming back. I'm ADD.

Like I said, I live in a PO box. It's nice living vicariously through other lives. (as pathetic as that sounds) That'll change soon enough. But in the meantime, I like all the goings on the Village. These last 7 months are the first time that I've given myself permission to just 'Be'. Not so much study, doing things right and perfect, just learning that others have the same goofy stuff that I do is refreshing.

[ulli]

I read in some other posts that perhaps one or more posters have been asked to not post in this thread? If that is the case, could it not be possible to directly invite them back, apologize directly for any reaction that may have been taken personally and and that we hopefully can learn better where this actual line, rule, guideline is drawn?

Seems that would be taking the highest road possible.

justoneidea from justoneman

I will do it when the time is right.
If I did this now I would feel that I have been manipulated into it.

I also feel that begging someone to return would be a form of manipulation.
This can only happen naturally when all the dust has settled.

Anyone who feels desperate to speed up such a process may have major issues with my answer, but this is the best I can do and say for now.
Many parties have been reading my explanations yesterday,
and I did express that I was impartial to personalities,
but not to specific behavior.
Which court is the ball in, I'm asking myself here. Anyone for tennis?

[Calz]

... it's the Westerners who keep missing the point the Buddha wanted to make who need the whack of the One hand!


There, I said it.




So up there is the culprit that started everything.






Yes ... yes ... take total responsibility I must ...

So many posts so long ago in the Village my signature left a residue on the subconscious it did ...

When stop posting I did it bubbled to the surface as all things must ...




http://claudestuart.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/pope-yoda-10448.jpg?w=460&h=467





Gosh I had best change my sig or lose my claim for the cash barn!!!

Woof.

Not to sound "preachy" but here (and now) is the deal.

Can any one of you imagine what ulli has gone through being the thread owner for 1000+ pages and 20,000 posts???

Seriously. Stop and think about it.

This thread is exhausting on a regular basis. I have no idea how she did it.


How bout we show some understanding and patience.


I couldn't have done it ... you???


IMHpreachyO

Cal

[Chester]

I read in some other posts that perhaps one or more posters have been asked to not post in this thread? If that is the case, could it not be possible to directly invite them back, apologize directly for any reaction that may have been taken personally and and that we hopefully can learn better where this actual line, rule, guideline is drawn?

Seems that would be taking the highest road possible.

justoneidea from justoneman

I will do it when the time is right.
If I did this now I would feel that I have been manipulated into it.

I also feel that begging someone to return would be a form of manipulation.
This can only happen naturally when all the dust has settled.

Anyone who feels desperate to speed up such a process may have major issues with my answer, but this is the best I can do and say for now.
Many parties have been reading my explanations yesterday,
and I did express that I was impartial to personalities,
but not to specific behavior.
Which court is the ball in, I'm asking myself here. Anyone for tennis?

Excellent response - I just wrote the following when I came upon this post -

I have PMd with Ulli many times - the first was when she asked if she could examine my astrology chart (rare that someone even asks... and demonstrates integrity) - I told her go as deep as she wants and gave her my time of day as well. We have then PMd several times as we both live (at times) in Costa Rica. I just noticed I had not sent her a friendship request (because we created one without defining it) BUT because I noticed this, I just sent the request. This ensures I also behave as a friend... sometimes clowns like me need some self imposed - EDIT from (limitations) to - guidelines as to ask to be friends requires one to be a friend.

It is true I was in a way manipulating and I apologize I made the suggestion - should have done so via a PM or perhaps not done so at all. Love Chester

[ulli]

... it's the Westerners who keep missing the point the Buddha wanted to make who need the whack of the One hand!


There, I said it.




So up there is the culprit that started everything.






Yes ... yes ... take total responsibility I must ...

So many posts so long ago in the Village my signature left a residue on the subconscious it did ...

When stop posting I did it bubbled to the surface as all things must ...




http://claudestuart.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/pope-yoda-10448.jpg?w=460&h=467





Gosh I had best change my sig or lose my claim for the cash barn!!!

Woof.

Not to sound "preachy" but here (and now) is the deal.

Can any one of you imagine what ulli has gone through being the thread owner for 1000+ pages and 20,000 posts???

Seriously. Stop and think about it.

This thread is exhausting on a regular basis. I have no idea how she did it.


How bout we show some understanding and patience.


I couldn't have done it ... you???


IMHpreachyO

Cal



Wow, you just hit my self-pity button, big time. Tears of poor little me, here....
that signature, remain it must.

Powerful medicine...zen koan is....

[araucaria]

Hey guys, we have a political party here with two head directing it. May be we could have two head for the thread, to relieve Ulli from overwork. Justoneman offered. What do you, villagers, do you think about this? And Ulli and Justoneman of course?

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Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

The proof being that : my answer was more diplomatic than yours araucaria. ROLF two diplomats, but one in France itself with its pride vs the quebecer humility.

No pride Flash: I am in no way remotely responsible for the state of either language :) But I have been grappling for many years at close quarters with the above point. English has a genius all of its own. You will find nothing in French quite like this (just something to hand):

HURRAHING IN HARVEST

Summer ends now; now, barbarous in beauty, the stooks rise
Around; up above, what wind-walks! What lovely behaviour
Of silk-sack clouds! has wilder, wilful-wavier
Meal-drift moulded ever and melted across skies?

I walk, I lift up, I lift up heart, eyes
Down all that glory in the heavens to glean our Saviour;
And eyes, heart, what looks, what lips yet gave you a
Rapturous love’s greeting of realer, of rounder replies?

And the azurous hung hills are his world-wielding shoulder
Majestic – as a stallion stalwart, very violet-sweet! –
These things, these things were here and but the beholder
Wanting; which two when they once meet,
The heart rears wings bolder and bolder
And hurls for him, O half hurls earth for him off under his feet.

[ulli]

Yeah, I read all the posts, and answered quite a few of them.
Not to forget the energy work behind the scenes...
of maintaining the safe journey when seas were rough.

Should I mention that I suffered a severe psychic attack during the night?
Left me reeling....

What we are doing here is threatening to some hidden agendas
who don't want people to become free.
I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

[PurpleLama]

But where does one draw the line between preaching and sharing? It's been quite a few times I've felt preached at, and took no offense, and lord only knows how many times my own well meaning advice could very well have been taken that way, too. Preachy is in the eye of the beholder, methinks. A better rule might be against combative behavior, unless some prior understanding has been reached, that it's all in good fun. Of course, if someone were to indicate that my own advice was preachy, someone being the one whom it's directed at, then surely I ought to relent. I'm voting no one should replace ulli so long as she keeps the thread open and her PA account active, but that all of us should work to keep the peace, and the pressure off of her. I'm talking about myself here, too. Ulli, I'm sorry for all the stress you may be feeling in the midst of all this.

[RunningDeer]

I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.


May Peace and Light be the bridge to assist your Beautiful Soul, Ulli

With Heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Bryce/72.jpg


Yeah, I read all the posts, and answered quite a few of them.
Not to forget the energy work behind the scenes...
of maintaining the safe journey when seas were rough.

Should I mention that I suffered a severe psychic attack during the night?
Left me reeling....

What we are doing here is threatening to some hidden agendas
who don't want people to become free.
I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

[PurpleLama]

I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

Here comes my own 2 cents, which is really worth more like a quarter. :)

[ulli]

But where does one draw the line between preaching and sharing? It's been quite a few times I've felt preached at, and took no offense, and lord only knows how many times my own well meaning advice could very well have been taken that way, too. Preachy is in the eye of the beholder, methinks. A better rule might be against combative behavior, unless some prior understanding has been reached, that it's all in good fun. Of course, if someone were to indicate that my own advice was preachy, someone being the one whom it's directed at, then surely I ought to relent. I'm voting no one should replace ulli so long as she keeps the thread open and her PA account active, but that all of us should work to keep the peace, and the pressure off of her. I'm talking about myself here, too. Ulli, I'm sorry for all the stress you may be feeling in the midst of all this.


For what it's worth, PL...
I personally have never perceived you as being the preachy kind.
Probing, yes, sometimes.

And that's ok.

If taken too far probing could be perceived as is a police interrogation.
Which is invasive, intrusive, manipulative. Can't say you crossed that line even.

If I became uncomfortable yesterday it is because I felt I was going through a gauntlet,
and didn't like the timing of your probing. But I understood and you were within your rights, being loyal to your friend.

[RunningDeer]

My quote in part from yesterday:
“I'm still working out the bugs between preachy, teachy, patronizing and helpful info, but I figure that each can make the decision to ignore my posts or even use the ignore button on me.

Lastly, Ulli give yourself permission to be a villager. It’s unfair for me to expect you to be the watch person. When you take on that role, it may cause laziness in me to stand up when it’s needed.”

Does someone have to be at the helm if we all post with integrity? That way you/Ulli will have more time to play and surf the net.



Yeah, I read all the posts, and answered quite a few of them.
Not to forget the energy work behind the scenes...
of maintaining the safe journey when seas were rough.

Should I mention that I suffered a severe psychic attack during the night?
Left me reeling....

What we are doing here is threatening to some hidden agendas
who don't want people to become free.
I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

[Chester]

But where does one draw the line between preaching and sharing? It's been quite a few times I've felt preached at, and took no offense, and lord only knows how many times my own well meaning advice could very well have been taken that way, too. Preachy is in the eye of the beholder, methinks. A better rule might be against combative behavior, unless some prior understanding has been reached, that it's all in good fun. Of course, if someone were to indicate that my own advice was preachy, someone being the one whom it's directed at, then surely I ought to relent. I'm voting no one should replace ulli so long as she keeps the thread open and her PA account active, but that all of us should work to keep the peace, and the pressure off of her. I'm talking about myself here, too. Ulli, I'm sorry for all the stress you may be feeling in the midst of all this.

I agree with this 100% and will do my best to stay within this well presented set of guidelines.

[araucaria]

A dollar for your thoughts, 1inMany. I don't like to see you scrounging for loose change like that, and now you can regale us with another 50 posts :)

I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

I'm just back from a game of tennis (about as rusty as the clay court :)). We play to the rules, of course, but as we are not playing for points in the ATP rankings, we don't dispute every close linecall; if in any doubt we'd rather concede the point. This is how we interpret the rules amongst ourselves, and it would be 'off topic' for some new guy making up numbers to deviate significantly from that. There may be a slight disagreement with a call, but nothing winning the next point won't put right :). You just relax, enjoy each other's company and help each other to make a decent game of it.


I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

Staying on topic. Panic.... Noooooo!. A rule I cannot not live with....this body-mind does goofy, unpredictable things. That's my strength and my weakness. Nooooooo! Get me oudda here.

It's the diversity of shared opinions, feelings, methodologies, soaps, scythe, cats, power animals, funny photos, laughter, sadness, cheer, silliness that keep me coming back. I'm ADD.

Like I said, I live in a PO box. It's nice living vicariously through other lives. (as pathetic as that sounds) That'll change soon enough. But in the meantime, I like all the goings on the Village. These last 7 months are the first time that I've given myself permission to just 'Be'. Not so much study, doing things right and perfect, just learning that others have the same goofy stuff that I do is refreshing.

Sorry if I freaked you out, dear WCBD, that was far from my intention :)

You are on the right wavelength for here, if you prefer my putting it this way. And if I may say so, you are contributing in some considerable degree to holding that wavelength, for which we can all be grateful.

[ulli]

My quote in part from yesterday:
“I'm still working out the bugs between preachy, teachy, patronizing and helpful info, but I figure that each can make the decision to ignore my posts or even use the ignore button on me.

Lastly, Ulli give yourself permission to be a villager. It’s unfair for me to expect you to be the watch person. When you take on that role, it may cause laziness in me to stand up when it’s needed.”

Does someone have to be at the helm if we all post with integrity? That way you/Ulli will have more time to play and surf the net.

Most of my post are responses to stuff directed at me. When I ignore such posts, or PMs, which has been known to happen, my Taurus moon gets antsy and starts flicking that tail. That bull wants to play nice at all cost, so as to avoid a bull ring experience.

[RunningDeer]

A dollar for your thoughts, 1inMany. I don't like to see you scrounging for loose change like that, and now you can regale us with another 50 posts :)

I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

I'm just back from a game of tennis (about as rusty as the clay court :)). We play to the rules, of course, but as we are not playing for points in the ATP rankings, we don't dispute every close linecall; if in any doubt we'd rather concede the point. This is how we interpret the rules amongst ourselves, and it would be 'off topic' for some new guy making up numbers to deviate significantly from that. There may be a slight disagreement with a call, but nothing winning the next point won't put right :). You just relax, enjoy each other's company and help each other to make a decent game of it.


I think it's not quite so much about rules on this thread as about staying on topic. Amazingly for some, it IS possible to go off topic here even though we talk about whatever we like.

Staying on topic. Panic.... Noooooo!. A rule I cannot not live with....this body-mind does goofy, unpredictable things. That's my strength and my weakness. Nooooooo! Get me oudda here.

It's the diversity of shared opinions, feelings, methodologies, soaps, scythe, cats, power animals, funny photos, laughter, sadness, cheer, silliness that keep me coming back. I'm ADD.

Like I said, I live in a PO box. It's nice living vicariously through other lives. (as pathetic as that sounds) That'll change soon enough. But in the meantime, I like all the goings on the Village. These last 7 months are the first time that I've given myself permission to just 'Be'. Not so much study, doing things right and perfect, just learning that others have the same goofy stuff that I do is refreshing.

Sorry if I freaked you out, dear WCBD, that was far from my intention :)

You are on the right wavelength for here, if you prefer my putting it this way. And if I may say so, you are contributing in some considerable degree to holding that wavelength, for which we can all be grateful.

Araucaria, thank you for your kind words.

It was a pretend freak out. If I’m wounded, I usually hide under the covers. Go quiet. Process in private. Inch closer to find a better way for the next time I perceive illusionary or intentional slights. Not the most efficient way for a part-time Warrior, part-time Simpleton. I'm still calibrating and adjusting to new energies that are a-buzz within.

With heart,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[ulli]

Feeling very exposed and vunerable, I take full responsibility for my last post and sincerely apologize for any ill feelings such a post may have caused the Village, and especially ulli.

I cannot place blame on the energies...having learned to ground and redirect such energies for good purpose (thank you, Rocky, for the advice you gave me on another thread...it really does work). It is my lack of self-management and control that allowed me to prepare a post when I knew it would be better to step away from the computer...and submit the post instead of deleting it as a part of me so desperately wanted. Such is the struggle of one with Sun in Leo, Moon in Aquarius, Ascendent Scorpio with Mars in the ninth house....not an excuse, just revealing the two minds at odds in the one body and my failure to choose better.

I, too, have a very strong reaction to injustice and underdogs. It's been a life-long struggle deal with situations in which I perceive a perpetuator ending up being treated as a victim while the victims are expected to be strong enough to just forgive and forget. And yes, this is my own projection, having been in the position of being the stronger person myself so very many times as the perpetuator was protected and cared for and no one stood up for me.

Just once I would like to see justice for the real victims...Let me rephrase that...just once I would have appreciated the person who misunderstood and/or attacked me take responsibility for their actions with an admission of their part in creating the drama, bringing it all out in the open (lancing the wound, so to speak) that healing for all can occur. How many times I wished I could say, "I forgive your part, please forgive my part in this" that we both could come out of it stronger and more loving, with a deeper understanding of ourselves and others.

My own woundedness took precedence over my better judgment...I'm so sorry.

I would like to remain as part of the Village if you could find it in your hearts to forgive me. I can't promise that there will be no more outbursts...as WCBD says, we are all a work in process...and I have a lot more work to do. I sure can use all the help I can get.

I nearly missed this post, Belle. Apology accepted. The post you responded to was flawed, I admit. It was wide open to being misinterpreted. And I was really tired by the time I wrote it. I should have just said there is a time for everything, a time for unity, and a time for being specific. On 3D earth there is no way around avoiding either one of those two, the trick is knowing when to apply.
Not preaching here, but too much self control can be what stops Scorpios from embracing the inner "bitch" ...that was your expression, not mine. In my youth when I was a fashion designer in London bitch was my middle name. Running a business...
All I can say if you want to know what I used to be like look at Meryl Streep in the Devil Wears Prada, and you get the idea. Then came years of trying to bring that inner bitch under control and I found out that didn't work. I had to unite with her in an embrace, or she kept popping back up. All control leads to is a slave rebellion. Integration is the only way to go.
Inner integration first, then the rest follows organically. So easy, really.
Scorpios have a harder time as heir hidden self is very deep. Which can be a good thing in a crisis situation where a group needs a leader who stays calm. But it is a bad thing if a person is in denial that such a hidden part even exists.
Which is not the case with you, since you already admitted that you had her there. Go on, give your inner bitch a hug from me.

[Sierra]

Should I mention that I suffered a severe psychic attack during the night?
Left me reeling....

What we are doing here is threatening to some hidden agendas
who don't want people to become free.
I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

You got it Ulli, and remember what was said earlier (Rocky Shorz? DeDukshyn?), it will rebound, it did rebound, and is rebounding now.

Belle, you are WONDERFUL. Me Ma was a triple Scorpio, and ah ... I don't think she ever in her lifetime apologized for a real hurt. Scorpio energy is fierce, very difficult to handle. Kudos to you.

Belle gets the trophy of the day: :first:

(Calz, what does a big giant kudo look like?)

Love, love, love to the Village

[DeDukshyn]

Good morning!! On my way to work, just stopped in to say hi and have a great day everyone! ;) ;)

[Mark]

Sending you what you require at this time, Ulli. Hearts to heart, souls to soul.

Love is the best form of protection.

18456

[1inMany]

More help is on the way, Ulli :)

[Calz]

There used to be plenty of music and frolic in this space ...

Hmmmm.

Guess I am just an "old villager" ...


221mohEolWc

[ulli]

Sending you what you require at this time, Ulli. Hearts to heart, souls to soul.

Love is the best form of protection.

18456

True, and thanks, Rahkyt.
Unless one is dealing with someone who has my condition....(thank God it is only a mild form) ...Aspergers Syndrome.

My childhood was horrible...I received lots of love but did not want it, not at all. I'm a Capricorn and used to be grumpy when someone offered me love. Pushed them away, even.
What I needed and wanted was that the crazy post-war world out there would become a world that made sense to me.
It didn't happen for a long, long time, not until recently.
Admittedly, my dilemma led to an intensive search, but if all I needed was love I would still be living on a farm in Germany,
as there was a lot of love and hearty warmth...no shortage. Everyone meant so well.
But I needed and wanted an understanding of why the world as a whole was so chaotic and apparently meaningless.
Large scale oppression, poverty, injustice, and all that....
When those questions were answered I could relax and go the love route...sometimes.....
This thread has been a great teacher ...
Distinguishing between my need for love, which obviously I have, like everyone else, and my need for understanding and getting answers to burning questions, which keep my brain healthy.

[Mark]

~gives Ulli a big and mannish hug, lifting her off the ground~


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm1-jPEAe9s

The balance of the two, the outer and the inner, compassion for world and self, is the heart of our inquiry, I suppose. In microcosm we are living the revolution right now, and it does sound, at times, like a whisper. And at other times, it is a roar.

[Calz]

Have I been here before???


HiDOMuhpqUo

[PurpleLama]

Calz, it's so very good to be seeing you around these here parts.

Love ya, bro, and been missin' ya.

[ulli]

There used to be plenty of music and frolic in this space ...

Hmmmm.

Guess I am just an "old villager" ...


221mohEolWc

Second time today you triggered my tear ducts, Calz. What did you put in my drink?

[Calz]

Calz, it's so very good to be seeing you around these here parts.

Love ya, bro, and been missin' ya.

back at ya wiz ... you have always been one of my favs ...


I feel the need to be here (and now) all of a sudden.

[Carmody]

Yes, the ego body does indeed fight back as if it is drowning. Specifically if anything threatens it. it will just explode all aver the dang place,and to the mind, evil will be pouring out of everywhere. Just like the last gasp of life, before it lets go. Hearts and muscle will literally rend themselves and all manner of nightmare and cycling of all will happen in the mind. It will immediately begin to erase any attempts to touch it.

I ask again, does anyone remember the sequence of events of and into the mentioning of the fire sale?

(i was off in other parts of the forum, for a while, as I really need to be doing)

[mojo]

hmmm a Smurf plus a Yoda equals a Smoda....good to see you calz...;)

[Calz]

hmmm a Smurf plus a Yoda equals a Smoda....good to see you calz...;)


Doesn't cut it until you show a vid with ET ...

You have offered so much to several forums.

I appreciate the thought.

[ulli]

Yes, the ego body does indeed fight back as if it is drowning. Specifically if anything threatens it. it will just explode all aver the dang place,and to the mind, evil will be pouring out of everywhere. Just like the last gasp of life, before it lets go. Hearts and muscle will literally rend themselves and all manner of nightmare and cycling of all will happen in the mind. It will immediately begin to erase any attempts to touch it.

I ask again, does anyone remember the sequence of events of and into the mentioning of the fire sale?

(i was off in other parts of the forum, for a while, as I really need to be doing)

Not sure if I understand this correctly. Even at the time when I first read about the fire sale in that post you refer to...I had to google "fire sale". I understood you meant by that to get rid of the inner garbage. Do a cleaning job.
I guess you are talking in general terms here...noticing the egos running all over the place...in their underwear.
Is that it?
I was quite astonished at the number of people who have come forth and expressed a better understanding...

[dan33]

Harry Harryson has left us. Sci-fi writer. "Make Room! Make Room!" ("Soylent Green" the movie) his best known novel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harrison

Make Room To Harrison!

AlVczvB4FQk


Hugs to Ulli! :)

[Sierra]

Yes, the ego body does indeed fight back as if it is drowning. Specifically if anything threatens it. it will just explode all aver the dang place,and to the mind, evil will be pouring out of everywhere. Just like the last gasp of life, before it lets go. Hearts and muscle will literally rend themselves and all manner of nightmare and cycling of all will happen in the mind. It will immediately begin to erase any attempts to touch it.

I ask again, does anyone remember the sequence of events of and into the mentioning of the fire sale?

(i was off in other parts of the forum, for a while, as I really need to be doing)


To clarify, to my personal understanding...None of this is about saving others, it never was. It is about one clearing themselves. The level of energy it takes to get past the personal barrier is as big as the block in the mind, the idea of self, as reflection. The trap is subtle, and persistent. The road is circuitous, as the mind makes it so. A route that is as convoluted and twisted and hidden in a way that is big and as intense as the will to drive it out. The mind takes time to change, thus it cannot be completed, as paths go, in the form of a quick fix. no free rides no quick fixes, no shortcuts. No avenues will be left unexplored, as the mind will go there and into them as a form of escape from the primary task as avoidance techniques. Up to and including the idea of being heart centered as an overdriven falsification.... as a way to block the mind from an actual turning to the task at hand. It will generally take years of direct unrelenting dedication to explore all the false paths, until one turns to the real task in the right kind and way of surrender, that it takes to get there.

Another way to say it is that none of the monks at the monastery would ever directly help a person fix themselves. The person will be shown the answer in themselves, by themselves. That they will have to find the way in themselves to break their hold on everything that is in them. It is a fire sale. Everything must go. Everything.

Hmmm ... not sure what you are asking Carmody ... (move Pippin...) (No it is not a good idea to bite Mommy's snot rags ... ) (getting up to get Pippin a piece of twine... ) I think people started to examine themselves, rather than pointing the fingers at others ... ? I had a great deal of "desire" for the thread to survive... started talking too much because of it. Had to back off from that wanting ... know that no matter what happened, in some transformed way the energy would continue.

I am 63 now, and I understand (more) how slow, how bit by tiniest bit I grow over the decades. Someone asked a question recently somewhere on Avalon, how do you know if you are making spiritual progress?

Answer: Are you a little bit kinder, a little less impatient? Are you more aware of how you impact others? Do you take people where they are at, with more tolerance, respect and acceptance?

Carmody also said (and I find this pertinent):

To me, If I put too much into something, then one guarantees issue at some time in the future, or even now. So relax, and take a break. We've shown ourselves that we can do something, and the objectification of the thread is not something that should be done, IMO and IME. We've been headed toward a correction for quite some time. too much self identification with the thread. It has served it's purpose so far. I've been heading back out into the forum much more lately, as that is what is pertinent to me. To not place myself so heavily in here. I can do far more for the forum outside of this thread, than I can within it. I realized this going in, and it is a thought that I had to eventually return to. the energy peaks have been very high and it's been very fun. It may continue and it may not, and that is the way I have approached it from the beginning. And I have maintained that mentality, throughout.

In that way I have no history I wish would continue and no history I wish would go away and forget.....and thus my now remains balanced and my future remains open.

I find this thread so encouraging that it gives me the bravery to go out into the forum (and far more importantly, with the gentleness towards others I have learned on this thread), and I have been doing that more lately.

Probably too dependent a position but there I am where I am ... :)

Aussi, I know with all my mind and heart, the people on this thread have produced miracles with their love and intent. It has produced the certainty in me, team effort is the way to go.

Now this part:

Up to and including the idea of being heart centered as an overdriven falsification.... as a way to block the mind from an actual turning to the task at hand.
Peck peck ... flip peck. Hmmm ...

[amandapoet]

Ulli, sending healing energy your way. I can't tell you now much this thread, its energy, its experiences have been such transforming and supportive resource that has allowed me to somehow maintain a sense of sanity in my current chaos.

Last night I actually composed some poetic lines...the kinds I write when I am living as my true self--not the survivor mode version, and I have really missed her.

~Amanda

[ulli]

Ulli, sending healing energy your way. I can't tell you now much this thread, its energy, its experiences have been such transforming and supportive resource that has allowed me to somehow maintain a sense of sanity in my current chaos.

Last night I actually composed some poetic lines...the kinds I write when I am living as my true self--not the survivor mode version, and I have really missed her.

~Amanda


Migraine has gone...only a faint headache left.
Thanks Amanda and everyone else.
Getting ready to weed my garden, as soon as the rain stops.

[Calz]

Migraine has gone...only a faint headache left.



Does that mean we will see your "pretty" face again any time soon???

(lack of avatar feels mighty "wrong")

[write4change]

It has taken me all morning to read at least 26 pages or so to see what this was all about. This thread can add ten pages in a day which is why I can't keep up and drop out for long periods of time. Doing this today, enforces my feelings about the dangers of posting here about whatever might pop into my head.

I sometimes feel kind of guilty about lurking in a way but if you only have time for a page, it is probably a good idea. Thus, some days feel highly productive and some feel like a waste of time. The cycle of ego is explained and re explained here often and that alone is a good teaching thing. I like a lot of you and I work on loving all of you. I want to form an intentional community as the legacy of my life. Coming here is the constant teaching I need to understand the dynamics of what I want to do. As long as we all live in the body, which I think is one of the greatest gifts mankind has been given, living grounded and centered much less aware is very difficult.

If we become a village and extend our feelings to everyone, do we also extend our projections? If so, maybe the consideration of first, do no harm must be focused on ourselves first. Doing no harm to yourself is often not being so sensitive to everyword written in this space we cannot see the eyes of the soul behind it. I am more outsider here than insider and this has been a very difficult read, it makes me sorry for us all because the task is so great and the time is so fleeting. Maybe you have to be 68 to feel this way and it is my bias.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Ulli, sending healing energy your way. I can't tell you now much this thread, its energy, its experiences have been such transforming and supportive resource that has allowed me to somehow maintain a sense of sanity in my current chaos.

Last night I actually composed some poetic lines...the kinds I write when I am living as my true self--not the survivor mode version, and I have really missed her.

~Amanda


Migraine has gone...only a faint headache left.
Thanks Amanda and everyone else.
Getting ready to weed my garden, as soon as the rain stops.

sorry had to let them trigger the trap, wanted to see who his hitchhikers were, same ops as the recent shootings...

don't worry, you can call him Toe Tag... ;)

glad you are feeling better... (((HUGGGS)))


they were quietly draining your healing energy using it on themselves instead of letting you share or heal yourself...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Calz, it's so very good to be seeing you around these here parts.

Love ya, bro, and been missin' ya.

back at ya wiz ... you have always been one of my favs ...


I feel the need to be here (and now) all of a sudden.

the Village was putting an urgent call out to all good Spirits, glad you still have your 3rd ear wide open... ;)


ps... thank you Belle... ;)

[ulli]

Migraine has gone...only a faint headache left.



Does that mean we will see your "pretty" face again any time soon???

(lack of avatar feels mighty "wrong")

ulli, looking around and counting only 9 members and 10 guests...
I can't deal with the huge crowds...more comfortable now ...so, why not?
Hubby took this last week and I erased a couple of the wrinkles digitally....

[RunningDeer]

It has taken me all morning to read at least 26 pages or so to see what this was all about. This thread can add ten pages in a day which is why I can't keep up and drop out for long periods of time. Doing this today, enforces my feelings about the dangers of posting here about whatever might pop into my head.

I sometimes feel kind of guilty about lurking in a way but if you only have time for a page, it is probably a good idea. Thus, some days feel highly productive and some feel like a waste of time. The cycle of ego is explained and re explained here often and that alone is a good teaching thing. I like a lot of you and I work on loving all of you. I want to form an intentional community as the legacy of my life. Coming here is the constant teaching I need to understand the dynamics of what I want to do. As long as we all live in the body, which I think is one of the greatest gifts mankind has been given, living grounded and centered much less aware is very difficult.

If we become a village and extend our feelings to everyone, do we also extend our projections? If so, maybe the consideration of first, do no harm must be focused on ourselves first. Doing no harm to yourself is often not being so sensitive to everyword written in this space we cannot see the eyes of the soul behind it. I am more outsider here than insider and this has been a very difficult read, it makes me sorry for us all because the task is so great and the time is so fleeting. Maybe you have to be 68 to feel this way and it is my bias.


If we become a village and extend our feelings to everyone, do we also extend our projections?'

Hello and Welcome again, write4change,

I don't understand why that would be the case. Feeling and projections don’t need to be on the same plate. I feel because I feel. Maybe we are talking about two different things.

For me, feeling, emotions, mirrors, judgements, projections, are opportunities me to hav-a-look. Some people like crossword puzzles, I like cleaning out the garbage. It’s a real rush. Very freeing. To my surprise, there’s a lot more fun ones in there.

If someone is projecting on to me, then I’m glad I can be of service. I know where I begin and end. All of it helps me deepen the relationship with my Higher Self and Beyond.

I enjoy the ride here. I’m appreciative of a supportive Village in which I am able to just be me. Freedom to share the whole gambit of emotions, work out the kinks, the false and crazies and the joys, and chuckles, and bumps. My Life is golden by design.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

[amandapoet]

I know there are several members here that have more in depth knowledge of astrology and interpreting birth charts. Lately, understanding more about my birth chart and astrology in general has become top on my need to know more about list...
So I was wondering if anyone could point to some good sites, books etc so I can try to interpret my birth chart better than what the basic online readings provide I would really appreciate it.
Based on the general readings and understandings I have I know that their is something to the astronomical influences involved in the day to day ....

Thank you,
Amanda

[RunningDeer]

I know there are several members here that have more in depth knowledge of astrology and interpreting birth charts. Lately, understanding more about my birth chart and astrology in general has become top on my need to know more about list...
So I was wondering if anyone could point to some good sites, books etc so I can try to interpret my birth chart better than what the basic online readings provide I would really appreciate it.
Based on the general readings and understandings I have I know that their is something to the astronomical influences involved in the day to day ....

Thank you,
Amanda
Hi Amanda, these links should hold you over until the experts come in to help. I'm a neophyte.

http://astro.cafeastrology.com - (begin here for a free chart)

http://www.stariq.com/levine/dailyhoroscope.asp

http://www.astro.com

http://www.cafeastrology.com

[ulli]

This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

scoundrel :-)

[ulli]

So, are we all still frazzled?

http://i.imgur.com/LbOZN.jpg

[Samsara]

I’m so happy the Village is still growing/healing and I’m so sad because I got to feel my great attachment to this place. This requires a change in me. Where do I fit in Avalon apart from the Village? I could not, and still can’t, figure that one out. I was at that point when I first started walking through the Village. I got comfortable here and isolated myself from the rest of Avalon. I am not a debater, I do not have strong opinions I need to put out there, and a lot of times, I don’t even understand the written words. I’m a people person and am at my best when I can look into someone’s eyes and talk heart to heart. Now that I am back to work, with training, practice, treatment, family and friends, I even have less time to spend on the forum. Why did I even want to become a member of Avalon? Yes, I remember, I saw a gold mine of information and people thinking like I do. So Avalon was, and still is, a place where I want to be.

To be, to be, to be do… I’m way too serious and I need to work on a presentation I am giving at the palliative home tomorrow… which means a day off work! Yeah! I had planned to work on that yesterday… my plans were a bit washed out.

So I’ll leave you with a whispering prayer.

GsbGFFVj9HY

[Caren]

Today I learned we had the most rainfall ever for the month of September :rain: (Nova Scotia, Canada). Well with the grass so green and lush, the trees looking happy and many flowers still blooming.. especially my roses - I honestly never noticed!

[1inMany]

I sure am, Ulli. I'm exhausted and I feel just like that picture! I feel the energy is settling a bit, the calm is peeking through. None too soon. My kids are keeping me hopping, jumping between them constantly. And my connection is all fuzzy :( I bet it will become clear again when everything swirling around me calms down...I hope, I hope, I hope.

Much Love,

[Caren]

Ulli - that kitten is so pretty. I use to have one very similar looking when I was a teen.
I'm glad your feeling better.

[ulli]

What is still bugging me is that someone might find me so intimidating that they are scared of posting now.
But anyone who made the effort to analyze the specifics should never feel that way.
But others lack that zoom button and come to conclusions that are so way off that all communication breaks down.
I just hope that we can all really move forward together. I was really blown away by Belle's post today,
it made me so happy and I feel deeply grateful to her for straightening things out like she did.
Also Viral's post, although that one I found a bit harder to understand.
What I got from it was that she was a herder by profession. So no sheep is allowed to be lost.
I understand completely.

[astrid]

HOLY WOW...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6748787239_fe91b03a76_b.jpg

[Anchor]

Should I mention that I suffered a severe psychic attack during the night?
Left me reeling....

What we are doing here is threatening to some hidden agendas
who don't want people to become free.
I really, really need some healing energies now, more than ever.

You shall have them - whatever it takes for you to so "sort yourself out" ;)

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Hey Calz, I really dug that Neil Young video. He has a beautiful,pure, and, albeit, unusual voice. Talented beyond measure. I've been listening to the Prairie Wind album today. I don't remember if it was DeDushkyn or Free Will that lives in the Prairie in Canada, but this goes out to all you prairie Canadians, too. I bet many people don't realize that Mississippi has its own indigenous natural prairie land, too. Happens to be part of the state that I live in. Except the Corps of Engineers planted pine trees for paper production across most of it around the turn of the 20th century, thereby altering the natural landscape and flora and fauna. As Vonnegut wrote, so it goes......

V6jQhnF6LMw

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

scoundrel :-)



The jig is up ! Run awayyyyy run awayyyyy!


:-)

[ulli]

This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

scoundrel :-)



The jig is up ! Run awayyyyy run awayyyyy!


:-)


Do I have to go in disguise?

http://i.imgur.com/HUxVm.jpg

[1inMany]

I just finished watching a chick flick on TV. I don't watch TV much, chick flicks even less. How I got into this movie is a freak of nature. It was about two women from very different backgrounds who were true friends for 30 years. At the end, one got sick and died. By the looks of me, you would think that it was my own best friend. Okay, like I really needed that.

These intense changes and energies have effected everyone around me in my physical life. And I think a numbness set in from being around all these fried people. That just makes things worse, because this is (I would assume) a good time for me to remain centered and unaffected. If this is a sign of things to come, I may be toast.

I'm going to try to get some sleep, a good night's sleep helps everything...

Sweet Dreams,

[Carmody]

Bear with me, I may try to clean this up. This is a standard thing that Buddhists and other esotericists end up finding out, to a large degree. That in the end, it is only we that create and maintain the prison of the self. Buddhism is a great threat, a great thorn to this particular collective, which I will now hopefully explain clearly enough.

~~~~

The bit about 'the fire sale', is the point I made of saying 'here's my recollection of what one can get to', the so-called 'heights', but they are not heights, they are only different.

Then, what it takes to get there. To dump all the aspects of self which block it, all the components of ego/body manipulation of the avatar. The fire sale. Everything must go.

To get past it, one has to tame the ego and/or the ego body. To do so, one has to transgress or or pass through all the situations of childhood and karmic weight that one carries in the given life, to travel backward through the self, in time, and remove all the components of 'coming up', that slowly turned into autonomous body systems. The same way we learn sight (as newborns), the same way we learn motion, to drive a car. To go from complexity we don't understand and cannot complete, into autonomous aspects of the body's learned systems and subsystems. Like, for example, to shift gears on a car, while driving. At first, it is entirely conscious, then it becomes automatic. A interestingly large part of who and what we are, arrives at these situations, where automatic action or motion, or emotion has arrived from what was very conscious situations that the body had to learn.

Then we get to the story again, of how god needs our thoughts toward such, in order to exist. And that the so-called rotten parts need the same. Which the rotten parts may be the collective ego body of all humans individually making an entity.

The fire sale, this unwinding of our origins and past, to disarm it's autonomous problematic bits, this may and generally does cause great reaction in the body's base systems, and to the point of forgetting what was going on. This is possible as this part of who we are, it is part of the channels of mind and body integration and operation.

And when you touch it, to turn and face it....you threaten it's 'life', and it's 'job', which is to run the autonomous parts of the body, the subsystems. To protect itself, it engages in the mechanism of forgetting the connections to that hurt, it erases the conscious neural connections, but the base events and their coloration of the built self, the ego body, remains.

You can also reconnect to those issues and clear them. Meditation, reconnection and newly grown, correct growth. The straightening of the tree, the neural connective dimensional antenna and it's vibrational signature. And when you do that, you begin to unwind your contribution to the 'evil' ego body, which is not really evil, but a subsystem or reflection of the avatar's basic programming, doing what it is designed to do--taking care of itself so the occupant can live and do the basics. Reptilian, animalistic, as a manifestation, both collective and individual connection.

Recall we do things consciously collectively. We also can and do....do things unconsciously and collectively. The baser instinct of 'evil'..and the higher intellect of 'god'.

In that context, what is 'god'? and in that context, what is this so-called minor minion, this 'evil'?.

When we are free and happy, we can collectively and individually think our way to dimensional and human world freedom. In those cases, we can and do remove ourselves form a matrix that is of this body. We free ourselves from the now autonomous, now subtle and semi-hidden matrix of control of/by our ego body and then..it's collective manifestation that we call evil. That is probably the source of what Wade Frazier calls...'Godzilla', and the rest of us call 'evil'. It is an autonomous collective that is doing what we , with our ego body - do individually.

It is born of the body and it is of the door and the way (our individual avatar and it's collective manifestation), it stands as a filter to the greater and outer dimensions. This is why when we overcome our origins, we are free.

And that may have been the origins of this little kerfuffle on this thread, and the forgetting of exactly what I meant by 'the fire sale', even though it was spelled out clearly, at this time and at various times...

The manifestation of the collective and individual ego body simply doing it's job, and us failing to recognize the truth of that. That I had brought the two into the same room and the standard 'freak out' of the body finding it's inner bits touched in a way that it finds threatening, with it's lack of true intellect and it's emotional reactions, as manifestation.

That we are god, and god is us. There is only individually us...and the collective us.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2xidiI49Ok4/TXZnbKPiUVI/AAAAAAAAJZ0/5F7GwqBWHP0/s1600/pogo%2Bpossum.jpg

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

This is why when we overcome our origins, we are free.

I may not entirely understand the meaning of that statement, but it recollects to my mind, in an esoteric sense, Matthew 8:22, when seen through that filter:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead."

Very powerful.....

[Carmody]

This is why when we overcome our origins, we are free.

I may not entirely understand the meaning of that statement, but it recollects to my mind, in an esoteric sense, Matthew 8:22, when seen through that filter:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead."

Very powerful.....

Lack of clarity on my part. my meaning was: if we unwind the knots of and in our life flow, from birth to and through the events which shape us, which become new twists and new vibrations, and our karmic memories/vibrations... which follow us into this given life. it is generally found that going backward from recent into the past, to birth, is the better way. Not the only way, just one way. Note that the autonomous bits of the avatar will freak out wholly along the way... and throw much of it's confusion within this unwinding..into your awareness. Moments and times of near and real madness will accompany this clearing, which is why much esoteric teaching of this sort of thing leans on individual help, as it is difficult and messy, at best.

I've said all this before, but you may now have a living example - that just occurred, in your lives, if you allow yourselves to see it.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

That makes it easier to comprehend, thank you for the clarification. I can honestly say that I have not accomplished this, though I can see and understand it. This is not the first time that you have stated this, and again the one question that arises from my own personal experience is that I have difficulties in recollecting so much of my past, specifically distant childhood. Is the unwinding done solely in conscious effort, in mindful recollection, or also in the subconscious, in lucid dream state? In your own experience, was this a cathartic event that occurred blam blam blam all at once, as people can describe seeing their life pass before their eyes in near death experience? Or did it occur over time through mindful meditation centered upon intentful unwinding of events from birth to present, or present to birth as you suggest? I can honestly see this and its end merit, but I am daunted by actually visiting each karmic event in my life if recollection is not easily attained. For a long time now, I have chosen to forge ahead, and not go back too far and process past events beyond the more substantial and traumatic ones.

I can't help but think of this song. It's reverberating in my head:

TQCrWQt9maU

[ThePythonicCow]

To get past it, one has to tame the ego and/or the ego body. To do so, one has to transgress or or pass through all the situations of childhood and karmic weight that one carries in the given life, to travel backward through the self, in time, and remove all the components of 'coming up', that slowly turned into autonomous body systems. The same way we learn sight (as newborns), the same way we learn motion, to drive a car. To go from complexity we don't understand and cannot complete, into autonomous aspects of the body's learned systems and subsystems. Like, for example, to shift gears on a car, while driving. At first, it is entirely conscious, then it becomes automatic. A interestingly large part of who and what we are, arrives at these situations, where automatic action or motion, or emotion has arrived from what was very conscious situations that the body had to learn.
So ... do I need to forget how to shift gears on a car?

Or do I only need to so if the autonomous 'shifter' in my body is problematic?

[Guest]

Listening to a chorus of crickets and watching a soulful moon climb behind the mountains in a still forest night.
Much cooler in the evenings now.
Thinking about the last 2 full moons. Every year I stay up and watch them rise -the night before and day of the full moon.
I always see things and energies (watch them form) in or around the full moons and I'm shown a theme for my life for the next year. Promises of spirituality and intensity.

Am putting on my to do list must go up North this year to watch the Aurora Borealis.
When I lived up there, was always amazed by the Northern Lights, Noctilucent clouds, cumulo clouds and sitting in the eye of a storm.


Love

Nora

[Carmody]

To get past it, one has to tame the ego and/or the ego body. To do so, one has to transgress or or pass through all the situations of childhood and karmic weight that one carries in the given life, to travel backward through the self, in time, and remove all the components of 'coming up', that slowly turned into autonomous body systems. The same way we learn sight (as newborns), the same way we learn motion, to drive a car. To go from complexity we don't understand and cannot complete, into autonomous aspects of the body's learned systems and subsystems. Like, for example, to shift gears on a car, while driving. At first, it is entirely conscious, then it becomes automatic. A interestingly large part of who and what we are, arrives at these situations, where automatic action or motion, or emotion has arrived from what was very conscious situations that the body had to learn.
So ... do I need to forget how to shift gears on a car?

Or do I only need to so if the autonomous 'shifter' in my body is problematic?

You need to remember the event of learning how to shift gears, if it was traumatic and caused a 'knot' in the psyche or unconscious. Something that added to the ego body individually and collectively, in the form of a negative context that is expressed in life, as your overall vibration. To go back and find them, to relive them all, until they settle into a new clarity on what really happened, not the ego-body-memory, that is skewed.

It can be done, but it is not easy. recall that the human mind literally does break neural connections to trauma. The nasty task of finding them and reliving them until they are clear and 'zeroed',and using meditation and euphoric states to build NEW and clear channels around and through those events. to be able to look at them to see them clearly in all their angles and issues, with no pressures or fears, or emotional turmoil. That is my experience and ...I believe that when I read the answer book, after I completed these tasks, that esoteric acts like Buddhism confirm that.

I did it cold, so that I would not be filling my mind with projections from Buddhism, I committed wholly to a test of real vs potential projection. I was not fooling around, I wanted a real test, unbiased. Thus, no reading, no information, nothing. No potential to be reflecting something I read or heard about. As the Nike advert said. 'Just do it'. No pissing around. My answers and finding where the same as all others who have cleanly and clearly traveled that road of the unraveling and repairing of the self.

The white powder of gold and the secret society ways are not considered realistic, as the ego body and problems may remain, but the dimensional connection is made. And that is apparently, possibly... the disaster we are living with, regarding this hidden group, that is what it is suspected that they are made of. Unclear 'wizards' with esoteric capacities. Very bad news. As if a 'evil' ego-body dimensional manifestation wasn't bad enough. They may be just fine, but it is hard to say, without ever having met them.

Correctly done alchemy is all about clearing the self as preparation for taking the powder of gold, as this manifestation of neural growth and connection to all that the powder brings to the individual, with all the ego and karmic issues coming to the fore, all at once, tends to cause more than a bit of madness. thus, again..their teachings, the alchemical mystery schools, are about clearing the self as preparation for the experience of the consumption of the powder. those who have taken the true powder without prior clearing say that, well...it s an experience that they'd not care to do again.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

If I understand correctly, in my own simple verbiage, to revisit and ho'oponopono the karmic knots, present to birth. Daunting still, but certainly achievable. I feel, intuitively, if the intent was set to do so, that the knots would present themselves to be resolved, in regards to my up-to-this-point conscious choice of denying myself the resurgence of the memory of said events.

Thanks for making that more practical for a dense dodo, Carmody.

[Carmody]

i was lucky, in that I had quite a few traumatic events that left good solid markers to find. :p They where ugly, but they left their stamp, thus they could be found. I even managed to confirm the existence of them, via asking family members about them. (mother and father, and so on). Trauma was disaster in it's unrealized form, but it was also a ladder to freedom. Quite humorous, in the final analysis.

The trick that really blew it apart, dimensionally, was the passing through the birth, into the womb, and reliving that, as a current conscious state. Then just a bit further back, is the connection of body to spirit...and then, growing that as a fully blown euphorically enhanced neural newness/consciousness. Holy mother of god.....

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

[Carmody]

Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

Dig in! In my experience, only good can come of it....but it may not immediately feel that way.. :p

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Muchas gracias, amigo! Buenos noches todos. Yo tengo mucho trabajo......

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just popping in to say hello and let you know that everything is going wonderfully. Miss you all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVO_PFWxqI

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

scoundrel :-)



The jig is up ! Run awayyyyy run awayyyyy!


:-)


Do I have to go in disguise?

http://i.imgur.com/HUxVm.jpg


Get rid of the moustache, its a giveaway :-)

N

[ulli]

Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

Dig in! In my experience, only good can come of it....but it may not immediately feel that way.. :p

This is where the rest of us can come in, giving quiet assistance and encouragement. When the process is completed will one then know the purpose of ones incarnation?
It might help to know that...for some it is the golden carrot. Playdo as a Capricorn might want to see the summit he is attempting to climb.

[araucaria]

Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know :)

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole :)

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’ :)

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

[ulli]

Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know :)

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole :)

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’ :)

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

Wow, I just learnt a ton of new considerations. And I promise to make more use of emoticons in future. This post cleared so many things for me. Thank you.

[Sierra]

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.
My mother drove me mad with her ambiguous "it" and "its". After many years, I came to the conclusion that in life, she was sloppy on purpose, to avoid taking responsibility, and that avoidance, came out in her language.


Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know :)
And 'moreover'. :)
That leaped out at me, after reading the above lol.


Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!
Uncontrolled states of mind. Fascinating phrase.

[Sierra]

Carmody,

Oh right on about trauma. I am grateful now, that my father tried to kill me at 18 mos. Astonishing you self dealt with the inner demons without outer influence. I was not aware enough or perceptive enough to process my inner bumps and bruises without many gifts that were put into my life, to teach me about awareness. I look back and I am shocked at the gifts strewn at my feet.

To this day, I am aware of the maddening slipperiness of my thoughts if I happen to remember a traumatic event. A thought connected to a trauma will STILL immediately vanish from my mind, and I have to sit there for five or ten minutes digging to get it back for processing.

One of many acid trips I took as a young woman, ended up being about processing my traumatic birth. I had this "thing" in my left foot, that was an unending and ever present PUSH. I would stretch like mad but I could not get the PUSH out of my foot. As I reviewed the birth, I became aware that I was PUSHING with that foot in a vain attempt to help myself to get out. As I was dying, my heart beat fading, the doctor ripped me out with forceps. I am hanging upside down in the air, and I see my mother's face. She is HORRIFIED and I am so hurt hurt hurt. Unbelievably hurt. After the trip, I described it to my mother. She said yes, I was pushing in one place in her ribs and I would not QUIT. I asked her about the horrified expression and she said well I was blue and messed up by the forceps. Nothing personal there, no hurt intended. And then she says (insert face palm here), "Well I am glad you can understand now why I didn't bond with you... " I staggered home in another state of shock lol just as bad as the shock I felt processing the birth. My gut is a bit large and abyssy right now even thinking of her reaction. More work to do, isn't there always. Or is there? Does one ever actually reach clarity? What would clarity feel like? Do I know clarity and not know that I know and is that possible?

As I read your words, Shamanism and Scientology (auditing) come to mind as processing tools for clearing garbage. Scientology (before it was trashed by Miscavage) from what I've read was adamant, that you HAD to be CLEAR before messing with higher perceptions and energies, otherwise one's internal weakness in structure ... think the tower of Barad Dur falling and the entity within exploding outward.

Even the small amount of processing I've done, has taught me humility toward my OWN perceptions. I know that my perceptions cannot be trusted. I look for patterns now or synchronicity as well. No, that doesn't quite say what I mean, though I think it is true as well. There is some other aspect that comes into play now. I look for my own emotional response, as a clue that I might need to clear out some more. That hard won increase in perception of energy, the corresponding response in greater patience and slowness to judge, has changed my relationships for the better in so many ways.

I do not understand your opening comment about Buddhism. A meditation practice can prevent inner clearing? I must be doing meditation wrong then ... I cannot tell you how many times I've sat to meditate and crap for processing comes up with hours of weeping. I just figured it was part of the meditation process. Oops and Damn.

I do not understand, I am completely unaware (I guess because it has always been part of my environment as a fish in water would not understand being a fish in air? Or because it is unconscious?) the collective, my part in it, and how to clear or process or become aware of "it". (Sorry for the sloppy "it", not really sure what to call "it".) Or more specifically, how it impacted the Village in the last few days. I am "hearing" you say there is a connection, and this may be a right or wrong assumption on my part, just not sure.

Thank you much Carmody. :)

Sierra

[1inMany]

Thank you, Carmody, for the light reading with my coffee this morning ;) And thank you, Playdo, for asking the questions that clarified some of it...questions I did not know I had until I read the answers.

A couple of thoughts spring to mind while processing this. It is shadow work, but in a scheduled and purposefully selected way rather than the way it usually occurs for me which is thrown at me through life events. Also, it reminds me of the reason many people seek and benefit from therapy. For example, in therapy one might stumble upon a personal issue of lacking self worth. Upon digging, one might find the first time one felt such lack of self worth. It may stem from a memory of being 3 years old and being told the birthday party could not be held at Disneyworld like the friend's. A child may form the connection of not being as "important" or "valuable" or "as good as" the friend. Upon realizing this origin of the self-esteem problem, the self worth can be reformed with new understanding. Thus the memories we build and protect all through our earthly lives are recordings that play and replay. Upon finding the origin, we can actually replace those old recordings with new ones and consciously play and re-play those until they become natural. And, usually, these recordings lead to a more healthy emotional life as they are based on adult understandings rather than a child's.

That, of course, is not exactly what you are talking about, but it does give me a context with which to work.

Good Morning,

It is chilly and quiet this morning. No air conditioners running, and the absence of this noise feels wonderful. I was thinking last night as I was trying to sleep that being frazzled during changing and wild energies feels to me like a bunch of people are yelling all at once in my direction. It feels like so much noise in my head that I can't think. Yes, that is what it has been feeling like.

Today, my goal is simple. Get both kids to school. Contemplating all the productive things that can be done in that case...

Much Love to Us All,

[Chester]

I’m so happy the Village is still growing/healing and I’m so sad because I got to feel my great attachment to this place. This requires a change in me. Where do I fit in Avalon apart from the Village? I could not, and still can’t, figure that one out. I was at that point when I first started walking through the Village. I got comfortable here and isolated myself from the rest of Avalon.

Its my own dilemma too... my life. I always sought a safe place for my kids, my whole family... yes, myself. And then I have this energy that pulls me towards LIFE, towards risk, towards gamble. I think, "Why did I incarnate in earth school in the first place? Why would I choose to come to a war planet, to hide?" And then I go a little too far sometimes, get scrared and seek that safe place. And when I am there in the arms of safety, I am really glad to be there.

and then I get bored again, and off I go to roll the dice of LIFE!

Love to ALL this fine morning (as the soft buzz of a single engine plane passes by) Chester

[Flash]

Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation :)

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know :)

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole :)

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’ :)

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

I could not agree more with your whole text.

It is very difficult to explain to a unilingual person what the different thinking frames are when using a different language. Often, while trying to explain the complexity and precision of the French language to English speaking people, I will get an answer such as "what are you talking about, English is very complex, we have X verbs, Y nouns, a grammar that does a b c, etc), I would never have such an answer from a multilingual person. It is just, plainly, different ways of thinking, with its advantages and disadvantages. But it definitly is another model of the world. More languages one knows, more complex understanding one can have with the written language and mostly, more induction/deduction one may make from a badly written text in order to come to understand it.

Yes English is a more loose language in terms or grammar, but the advantages of this is a greater potential for creative thinking or conncecting information in a loose way leading to new global comprehension.

And I "hate French teachers driving me nuts with their high demands on spelling and complex grammar" lol. But French definitely has its advantages in thinking as well, for understanding subtleties in a precise fashion amongst others. Spanish has other advantages and brings in a different perspective as well (from what I know of it). And Turkish, my friends, another grammatical planet altogether (could not grasp that one yet) ... no wonder we find them different....


I WOULD ADD TO THE LANGUAGE IMPACTS, IN A COMPLEMENTARY WAY, THE CULTURAL BIAISES IMPACTS

On a forum such as this one, with people from all over, you have to add the HUGE impact of culture and cultural biaises as well as culturally determined behaviors that have a compounded impact on the writings and the comprehension of the written text.

For example, an Eastern European will try to raise arguments and go deep in the argumenting mode because, culturally, it is not only accepted but also a sign of intelligence and intellectual pursuit and pleasurable. I call it argumenting for the sake of argumentation. I often, as a North American (but French speaking Quebecer), see no pleasure nor use for it. So I think that their behavior is gross and direspectful. They think I am a stupid thinker. Well, I have learned to see the real situation without judging, but for most, it is difficult to comprehend (on both sides). I have seen this situation again and again and again in many different cultural encounters, Montreal being a melting pot of the whole planet, and having lived and worked in at least 3 countries, and work in a fourth one as well.

Culture plus language has a huge impact on thinking and writing. Another example I truly do not understand the obligation of wearing arms for American. To me, and to most Canadians and to most Europeans, this is incredible, we would even say, some of us, violent behavior. I came, however, throught exchanges, to understand the logic beneath it viewed from an American point of view. Therefore no more judgment. It is like that for lots of things, sexual contexts, religious thinkings, nationalistic tinted views, `family life understanding, relationships, etc. The cultural differences are just vast. And add to this the individual differences, you see...

This is why acceptance and reworking broken relationships is so important worlwide. This is why relationships are so easy to brake. Across languages and cultures, tolerance is a must, reworking a necessity. In my views.

[ulli]

Good morning. It's a sunny day here with only river noise. No birds. Where are they?
Ahh, we are in October, they have all learnt to fly by now. Busy flying.
I see the forum conversations have gone to graduate level.
Justoneman do you realize what this means? You won't ever get bored around here.
Any physical battles you might be contemplating can be rehearsed in our war room here, and maybe even get solved at the Village level before spilling into the great metropolis.