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jagman
15th September 2011, 16:14
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/N0aXFaNZ2Uuv7YJXnqdfyg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9NjY1O2NyPTE7Y3c9MTAwMDtkeD0wO2R5PTA7Zmk9dWxjcm9wO2g9NDE5O3E9ODU7dz02MzA-/http://l.yimg.com/os/152/2011/09/15/Wheels--3_124252.jpg

They stretch from Syria to Saudi Arabia, can be seen from the air but not the ground, and are virtually unknown to the public.
They are the Middle East's own version of the Nazca Lines — ancient "geolyphs," or drawings, that span deserts in southern Peru — and now, thanks to new satellite-mapping technologies, and an aerial photography program in Jordan, researchers are discovering more of them than ever before. They number well into the thousands.
Referred to by archaeologists as "wheels," these stone structures have a wide variety of designs, with a common one being a circle with spokes radiating inside. Researchers believe that they date back to antiquity, at least 2,000 years ago. They are often found on lava fields and range from 82 feet to 230 feet (25 meters to 70 meters) across. [See gallery of wheel structures]
"In Jordan alone we've got stone-built structures that are far more numerous than (the) Nazca Lines, far more extensive in the area that they cover, and far older," said David Kennedy, a professor of classics and ancient history at the University of Western Australia.
Kennedy's new research, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science, reveals that these wheels form part of a variety of stone landscapes. These include kites (stone structures used for funnelling and killing animals); pendants (lines of stone cairns that run from burials); and walls, mysterious structures that meander across the landscape for up to several hundred feet and have no apparent practical use.
His team's studies are part of a long-term aerial reconnaissance project that is looking at archaeological sites across Jordan. As of now, Kennedy and his colleagues are puzzled as to what the structures may have been used for or what meaning they held. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]
Fascinating structures
Kennedy's main area of expertise is in Roman archaeology, but he became fascinated by these structures when, as a student, he read accounts of Royal Air Force pilots flying over them in the 1920s on airmail routes across Jordan. "You can't not be fascinated by these things," Kennedy said.
Indeed, in 1927 RAF Flight Lt. Percy Maitland published an account of the ruins in the journal Antiquity. He reported encountering them over "lava country" and said that they, along with the other stone structures, are known to the Bedouin as the "works of the old men."
Kennedy and his team have been studying the structures using aerial photography and Google Earth, as the wheels are hard to pick up from the ground, Kennedy said.
"Sometimes when you're actually there on the site you can make out something of a pattern but not very easily," he said. "Whereas if you go up just a hundred feet or so it, for me, comes sharply into focus what the shape is."
The designs must have been clearer when they were originally built. "People have probably walked over them, walked past them, for centuries, millennia, without having any clear idea what the shape was."
(The team has created an archive of images of the wheels from various sites in the Middle East.)
What were they used for?
So far, none of the wheels appears to have been excavated, something that makes dating them, and finding out their purpose, more difficult. Archaeologists studying them in the pre-Google Earth era speculated that they could be the remains of houses or cemeteries. Kennedy said that neither of these explanations seems to work out well.
"There seems to be some overarching cultural continuum in this area in which people felt there was a need to build structures that were circular."
Some of the wheels are found in isolation while others are clustered together. At one location, near the Azraq Oasis, hundreds of them can be found clustered into a dozen groups. "Some of these collections around Azraq are really quite remarkable," Kennedy said.
In Saudi Arabia, Kennedy's team has found wheel styles that are quite different: Some are rectangular and are not wheels at all; others are circular but contain two spokes forming a bar often aligned in the same direction that the sun rises and sets in the Middle East.
The ones in Jordan and Syria, on the other hand, have numerous spokes and do not seem to be aligned with any astronomical phenomena. "On looking at large numbers of these, over a number of years, I wasn't struck by any pattern in the way in which the spokes were laid out," Kennedy said.
Cairns are often found associated with the wheels. Sometimes they circle the perimeter of the wheel, other times they are in among the spokes. In Saudi Arabia some of the cairns look, from the air, like they are associated with ancient burials.
Dating the wheels is difficult, since they appear to be prehistoric, but could date to as recently as 2,000 years ago. The researchers have noted that the wheels are often found on top of kites, which date as far back as 9,000 years, but never vice versa. "That suggests that wheels are more recent than the kites," Kennedy said.
Amelia Sparavigna, a physics professor at Politecnico di Torino in Italy, told Live Science in an email that she agrees these structures can be referred to as geoglyphs in the same way as the Nazca Lines are. "If we define a 'geoglyph' as a wide sign on the ground of artificial origin, the stone circles are geoglyphs," Sparavignawrote in her email.
The function of the wheels may also have been similar to the enigmatic drawings in the Nazca desert. [Science as Art: A Gallery]
"If we consider, more generally, the stone circles as worship places of ancestors, or places for rituals connected with astronomical events or with seasons, they could have the same function of [the] geoglyphs of South America, the Nazca Lines for instance. The design is different, but the function could be the same," she wrote in her email.
Kennedy said that for now the meaning of the wheels remains a mystery. "The question is what was the purpose?"

Maia Gabrial
15th September 2011, 17:03
Do you think these wheels were created to get the attention of ancient aliens?

jagman
15th September 2011, 17:43
Do you think these wheels were created to get the attention of ancient aliens?
To me its pretty simple, They can only be seen from above! I would like to get
Erich Von Daniken take on these wheels

Omni connexae!
15th September 2011, 17:54
May be worth a read:


Purpose

Archeologists, ethnologists and anthropologists have studied the ancient Nazca culture and the complex to try to determine the purpose of the lines and figures. One theory is that the Nazca people created them to be seen by their gods in the sky. Kosok and Reiche advanced a purpose related to astronomy and cosmology: the lines were intended to act as a kind of observatory, to point to the places on the distant horizon where the sun and other celestial bodies rose or set. Many prehistoric indigenous cultures in the Americas and elsewhere constructed earthworks that combined such astronomical sighting with their religious cosmology, as did the later Mississippian culture at Cahokia in present-day United States. Another example is Stonehenge in England. But, Gerald Hawkins and Anthony Aveni, experts in archaeoastronomy, concluded in 1990 that there was insufficient evidence to support such an astronomical explanation.[5]

In 1985, the archaeologist Johan Reinhard published archaeological, ethnographic, and historical data demonstrating that worship of mountains and other water sources predominated in Nazca religion and economy from ancient to recent times. He theorized that the lines and figures were part of religious practices involving the worship of deities associated with the availability of water, which directly related to the success and productivity of crops. He interpreted the lines as sacred paths leading to places where these deities could be worshiped. The figures were symbols representing animals and objects meant to invoke the gods' aid in supplying water. But, the precise meanings of many of the individual geoglyphs remain unsolved as of 2011.

Henri Stierlin, a Swiss art historian specializing in Egypt and the Middle East, published a book in 1983 linking the Nazca Lines to the production of ancient textiles that archeologists have found wrapping mummies of the Paracas culture.[6] He contended that the people may have used the lines and trapezes as giant, primitive looms to fabricate the extremely long strings and wide pieces of textile that are typical of the area. By his theory, the figurative patterns (smaller and less common) were meant only for ritualistic purposes.

and


To me its pretty simple, They can only be seen from above! I would like to get
Erich Von Daniken take on these wheels

Mabie not what your looking for (doesn't talk about the wheels specifically) but:


Swiss author Erich von Däniken suggests the Nazca lines and other complex constructions represent higher technological knowledge than he believes existed when the glyphs were created. Von Däniken maintains that the Nazca lines in Peru are runways of an ancient airfield that was used by extraterrestrials mistaken by the natives to be their gods.

and some more alternative theories:


Jim Woodmann believes that the Nazca Lines could not have been made without some form of manned flight to see the figures properly. Based on his study of available technology, he suggests that a hot air balloon was the only possible means of flight. To test this hypothesis, Woodmann made a hot-air balloon using materials and techniques that he understood to be available to the Nazca people. The balloon flew, after a fashion. Most scholars have rejected Woodmann's thesis as ad hoc,[4] because of the lack of any evidence of such balloons.[7]

Maria Reiche's protege Phillis Pitluga, an astronomer at the Adler Planetarium & Astronomy Museum, believes, based on computer-aided studies of star alignments, that the giant spider figure is an anamorphic diagram of the constellation Orion. She further suggests that three of the straight lines leading to the figure were used to track the changing declinations of the three stars of Orion's Belt but does not take into account the other twelve lines. Aveni has commented on her work, saying

I really had trouble finding good evidence to back up what she contended. Pitluga never laid out the criteria for selecting the lines she chose to measure, nor did she pay much attention to the archaeological data Clarkson and Silverman had unearthed. Her case did little justice to other information about the coastal cultures, save applying, with subtle contortions, Urtons representations of constellations from the highlands. As historian Jacquetta Hawkes might ask: was she getting the pampa she desired?[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines

Olam
15th September 2011, 18:26
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They stretch from Syria to Saudi Arabia, can be seen from the air but not the ground, and are virtually unknown to the public.
They are the Middle East's own version of the Nazca Lines — ancient "geolyphs," or drawings, that span deserts in southern Peru — and now, thanks to new satellite-mapping technologies, and an aerial photography program in Jordan, researchers are discovering more of them than ever before. They number well into the thousands.
Referred to by archaeologists as "wheels," these stone structures have a wide variety of designs, with a common one being a circle with spokes radiating inside. Researchers believe that they date back to antiquity, at least 2,000 years ago. They are often found on lava fields and range from 82 feet to 230 feet (25 meters to 70 meters) across. [See gallery of wheel structures]
"In Jordan alone we've got stone-built structures that are far more numerous than (the) Nazca Lines, far more extensive in the area that they cover, and far older," said David Kennedy, a professor of classics and ancient history at the University of Western Australia.
Kennedy's new research, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science, reveals that these wheels form part of a variety of stone landscapes. These include kites (stone structures used for funnelling and killing animals); pendants (lines of stone cairns that run from burials); and walls, mysterious structures that meander across the landscape for up to several hundred feet and have no apparent practical use.
His team's studies are part of a long-term aerial reconnaissance project that is looking at archaeological sites across Jordan. As of now, Kennedy and his colleagues are puzzled as to what the structures may have been used for or what meaning they held. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]
Fascinating structures
Kennedy's main area of expertise is in Roman archaeology, but he became fascinated by these structures when, as a student, he read accounts of Royal Air Force pilots flying over them in the 1920s on airmail routes across Jordan. "You can't not be fascinated by these things," Kennedy said.
Indeed, in 1927 RAF Flight Lt. Percy Maitland published an account of the ruins in the journal Antiquity. He reported encountering them over "lava country" and said that they, along with the other stone structures, are known to the Bedouin as the "works of the old men."
Kennedy and his team have been studying the structures using aerial photography and Google Earth, as the wheels are hard to pick up from the ground, Kennedy said.
"Sometimes when you're actually there on the site you can make out something of a pattern but not very easily," he said. "Whereas if you go up just a hundred feet or so it, for me, comes sharply into focus what the shape is."
The designs must have been clearer when they were originally built. "People have probably walked over them, walked past them, for centuries, millennia, without having any clear idea what the shape was."
(The team has created an archive of images of the wheels from various sites in the Middle East.)
What were they used for?
So far, none of the wheels appears to have been excavated, something that makes dating them, and finding out their purpose, more difficult. Archaeologists studying them in the pre-Google Earth era speculated that they could be the remains of houses or cemeteries. Kennedy said that neither of these explanations seems to work out well.
"There seems to be some overarching cultural continuum in this area in which people felt there was a need to build structures that were circular."
Some of the wheels are found in isolation while others are clustered together. At one location, near the Azraq Oasis, hundreds of them can be found clustered into a dozen groups. "Some of these collections around Azraq are really quite remarkable," Kennedy said.
In Saudi Arabia, Kennedy's team has found wheel styles that are quite different: Some are rectangular and are not wheels at all; others are circular but contain two spokes forming a bar often aligned in the same direction that the sun rises and sets in the Middle East.
The ones in Jordan and Syria, on the other hand, have numerous spokes and do not seem to be aligned with any astronomical phenomena. "On looking at large numbers of these, over a number of years, I wasn't struck by any pattern in the way in which the spokes were laid out," Kennedy said.
Cairns are often found associated with the wheels. Sometimes they circle the perimeter of the wheel, other times they are in among the spokes. In Saudi Arabia some of the cairns look, from the air, like they are associated with ancient burials.
Dating the wheels is difficult, since they appear to be prehistoric, but could date to as recently as 2,000 years ago. The researchers have noted that the wheels are often found on top of kites, which date as far back as 9,000 years, but never vice versa. "That suggests that wheels are more recent than the kites," Kennedy said.
Amelia Sparavigna, a physics professor at Politecnico di Torino in Italy, told Live Science in an email that she agrees these structures can be referred to as geoglyphs in the same way as the Nazca Lines are. "If we define a 'geoglyph' as a wide sign on the ground of artificial origin, the stone circles are geoglyphs," Sparavignawrote in her email.
The function of the wheels may also have been similar to the enigmatic drawings in the Nazca desert. [Science as Art: A Gallery]
"If we consider, more generally, the stone circles as worship places of ancestors, or places for rituals connected with astronomical events or with seasons, they could have the same function of [the] geoglyphs of South America, the Nazca Lines for instance. The design is different, but the function could be the same," she wrote in her email.
Kennedy said that for now the meaning of the wheels remains a mystery. "The question is what was the purpose?"

Can you point to the source of this info please, thanks.

Ethereal Blue Being
15th September 2011, 18:39
Dont these look like Michael Tellingers, Adams Calendar formations in South Africa that are
supposed to be 50 to 75 thousand yrs old and housed people and were used to process making gold etc

Jay
15th September 2011, 19:11
They look like vacated kraals of which there are many in Africa.

Mark
15th September 2011, 19:22
Dont these look like Michael Tellingers, Adams Calendar formations in South Africa that are
supposed to be 50 to 75 thousand yrs old and housed people and were used to process making gold etc

My thoughts exactly. Anunnaki ruins (http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/oldest-metropolis-on-earth-was-built-by.html). We know they were in both places.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/Misc/zzz.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/Misc/sumeranu35_02.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/Misc/adamscalendarcity2.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/Misc/AfricanCity2.png

Agape
15th September 2011, 20:04
Looks like remains of ancient settlements, another proof of civilisation that predated ours and I doubt the accuracy of their calculation when it comes to dating them just 2000 years ago .

If you check sites like Arkaim : http://jianthecrazymonk.blogspot.com/2011/07/arkaim-cradle-of-aryan-cicilization.html

or Gobekli Tepe in Turkey : http://www.gobeklitepe.info/galery.html

you may find similarities in the way these people build their houses , villages, using circular shape , often several walls sheltering several households .

Many aboriginee villages are built in the same style till now , if built purely from straw you can't find them later of course but if they had firm stone foundation and later the area was left or destroyed for whatever reason,

what remained is these patterns in the ground.


Looking curious from above I agree but nothing to compare with Nazca lines in my opinion,

the precision and geometry of Nazca lines is much larger and much more precise :


http://www.go2peru.com/nazca_lines.htm

shadowstalker
15th September 2011, 20:07
Do you think these wheels were created to get the attention of ancient aliens?
To me its pretty simple, They can only be seen from above! I would like to get
Erich Von Daniken take on these wheels
To me they do not look like wheels, but bacteria..
Maybe they where telling our space family they had found bacteria on this planet they had never seen before.

Ammit
15th September 2011, 20:21
They look more like corals where animals may have been kept but seperate.....

modwiz
15th September 2011, 20:52
My first impression when I saw the photo was exactly the same as Ethereal Blue Being. This would also put me in complete agreement with Rahkyt and Agape.

Playdo of Ataraxas
19th September 2011, 02:56
This is only one link to a dozen that were posted this week about stone circle's that have been "discovered" across the mideast. The entire thing resembles too closely that what Michael Tellinger has researched in South Africa. It appears to confirm what Sitchin wrote about bases and mining operations throughout Syria and the Mideast, as well as the deep Abzu in South Africa. Check out the pictures, they look similar in design as the images from South Africa!

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/09/16/visible-only-from-above-mystifying-nazca-lines-discovered-in-mideast/

Mark
19th September 2011, 03:21
Hi there, this information is already being discussed in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30511-Mideast-Nazca-lines-Only-visible-from-above&p=309574#post309574). Pretty interesting stuff, right??


== MOD EDIT==

Merged from duplicate thread :)

Playdo of Ataraxas
19th September 2011, 04:34
Great, thanks for the direction! This forum is dense and sometimes it is hard to tell what is being discussed!


== MOD EDIT ==

Merged from duplicate thread :)

Playdo of Ataraxas
19th September 2011, 04:38
If the Annunaki are being discussed in relation to this "discovery", Baalbek should be tied into this too. Hell, if the mainstream media is covering this, why don't they at least report on the incredible megalithic stonework in Baalbek. Surely, it is connected.

jagman
19th September 2011, 05:05
Im sure Lame stream science will come up with some ordinary mundane reasons for theses wheels lol
Its only a matter of time!

58andfixed
19th September 2011, 05:30
Michael Tellinger is on top of these.

Please check him out.

There is material on PA & PC.

Michael Tellinger - Stone Circles & Ancient Gold Mines in South Africa - Megalithomania 2010


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWplRoVAcc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWplRoVAcc

9m 57s 3,911 views

Posted July 6, 2010

HTH

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