Binary Star Isn't "Real" Until it is on CNN

[Calz]

Tongue in cheek of course but have a look:

(take note of the comet comment ... I believe this will become clear in the coming days)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XAkNUrVzM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XAkNUrVzM&feature=related

[Calz]

Hmmmmm.

No one else found this interesting enough to comment on???

Our binary star coming into the solar system announced on mainstream television ... ho hum. :sleep:

Guess we got burned out talking about elenin.

[crosby]

sorry Calz_Avaretard, between work and other stuff didn't have enough time to go through all of the new threads posted...... and you are right on the money..... notice the comparison with the fact that it was overlooked here; compare that to the mass of humanity that watches television....... i am as surprised as you that there has been nothing of note documented. was this on t.v. on the 16th? i don't have access to television so i totally missed it on there; and many apologies for missing it on here. major subject with major implications. if the msm is talking about this, even a 33 second clip, i say there is much more too come. i call it "dip the toes in the water and see how cold it is", function. apparently, people are still snoozing.......... they do not realize that the ptw are testing the waters to see if anyone else is awake.
warmest regards, corson

[Calz]

sorry Calz_Avaretard, between work and other stuff didn't have enough time to go through all of the new threads posted...... and you are right on the money..... notice the comparison with the fact that it was overlooked here; compare that to the mass of humanity that watches television....... i am as surprised as you that there has been nothing of note documented. was this on t.v. on the 16th? i don't have access to television so i totally missed it on there; and many apologies for missing it on here. major subject with major implications. if the msm is talking about this, even a 33 second clip, i say there is much more too come. i call it "dip the toes in the water and see how cold it is", function. apparently, people are still snoozing.......... they do not realize that the ptw are testing the waters to see if anyone else is awake.
warmest regards, corson

Thanks corson.

I rarely watch tv and only for sports and watching movies so I missed it as well.

James Gilliland emailed it and that is the only way I knew.

What puzzles me is elenin has 75+ threads and the biggest 66+ pages ... yet you were the first (and only thus far) to comment on the fact that it is being announced on msm tv that our binary star, brown dwarf, nibiru, plantet x, wormwood, red kachina ... whatever the heck you want to call it has entered the outer reaches of our solar system.

Regardless ... you are correct in that it seems to be "dipping of the toe" since I have not heard of any follow up. If "they" *really* wanted to get the word out they would lead with it as the top news story (as they should).

Cal

[Ontarioguy]

Okay..what gets me even more now is that it is now the 18th of September, 2 days after this was first posted...andddddddd Stilllllllllll nobody else has replied to this post ?????? What is wrong with this picture? This clip is worth commenting on indeed!!!! For Main Stream Media to be commenting on this thing....well I hate to tell ya folks, but it sure seems that the time is upon us where there will be no turning back. Full steam ahead I say. Very Interesting and great catch and post Cal !!! Thanks for this. Once again I am somewhat shocked at the extremely low response to this post!! you are not alone in that thinking Cal.

[Lettherebelight]

I think we're all in shock, and processing the information.

Thanks for putting it up here. Like you, Calz, most of us here probably don't catch mainstream news regularly. I would have missed this for sure.

After hearing so much about in-coming celestial bodies, the continuing for and against arguments, I admit, I'm flummoxed.

Now CNN is presenting the story...I'm trying to work out...what is really going on!!! :unsure:

[Humble Janitor]

So, is CNN jumping on the Elenin/Nibiru bandwagon or are they merely confirming it?

I'm tired of hearing about this object because it's always treated as the DOOM DU JOUR by some people.

[Jean-Marie]

This appeared on CNN back in late February 2011. I believe that it has been posted on Avalon before.

[Marianne]

Cal, sorry I missed this thread until just now. I will try to watch some MS news and see what they are saying, and check out some websites too. After all we've heard, it does take some mental processing at this point.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

--Junebug

[Calz]

This appeared on CNN back in late February 2011. I believe that it has been posted on Avalon before.

I was not aware of that.

Thanks.

If that is the case there has certainly been little or no follow through by msm.

[onawah]

I found it quite interesting and posted it on my Facebook page, but I guess I thought members would be all over this thread, so didn't bother to comment myself.
I agree, though, it's significant.

[ghostrider]

I been tracking an object since summer of last year, nobody, no news, no radio , no threads no nothing was talking about it. I got frustrated and kept it to myself, people only believe what they want to hear. all the problems of the earth with sinkholes, weather, animal death and such , once again gamma radiation, and the pull from the dwarf, tipping the earth and moon and saturn and changing our world, now that cnn and others are talking about it I say welcome to the party. the d.u.m.b.s. have a purpose, the surface of the earth will change, CONSIDER ... the government has spent trillions building two bases a year for fifty years, and connected them ALL BY RAILCAR. they plan to be underground for a long time. reason ? they know whats coming..... being topside won't be a very good place to be......

[Flash]

My first question Calz is

What is wrong with Avalon. This thread has sunk amongst tens of other trivial flooding threads, as some of us have been complaining for a while. This is an important thread right here, officially, humanity faces extinction or at the least something dramatic. How come most of Avalon is not on it?

Second: where are the scientific body Avalon used to host in its members? How come they are not on this? Oh, do I remember some of them that are now away! We may have to get news elsewhere now.

Third, ghostrider, keep us posted. It is people like you that finally give the right news, with Calz of course.

I wish our more science inclined individuals are on it by now to give us a hand in understanding.

[onawah]

If you haven't read it yet, Bill Ryan commented on the Elenin thread and elsewhere too, I think, saying that the brown dwarf is still coming this way and he expected it would be causing some severe weather in a few years, but no planet wide cataclysm. I agree.
No special scientific basis for my opinion, just my gut feeling.
Bill may have more science behind his statement, so I would think he would be a good person to ask.

[Calz]

It was, of course, in the msm when first discovered then quickly suppressed.

I am considering an email to CNN (hey ... first time for everything) to see if I can get a "rise" out of them on the subject.


9944

Washington Post 1983 – Planet X Discovered

Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered

By Thomas O’Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.

“All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone’s throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

“If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system,” said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University’s Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. “If it is that close, I don’t know how the world’s planetary scientists would even begin to classify it.”

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

“This suggests it’s not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we’ve observed and a comet would probably have moved,” Houck said. “A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.”

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above “absolute” zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can “see” objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.

“It’s not incoming mail,” Cal Tech’s Neugebauer said. “I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can.”

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain. It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck “hope” the mystery body is a distant galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

“I believe it’s one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe before,” Neugebauer said.

“If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how the universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on.”

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it with the world’s largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite has pinpointed its position.

(ITEM 123)December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition

(ITEM 127)The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles.

Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not include subsequent corrections.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/09/washington-post-1983-%e2%80%93-planet-x-discovered/

[aranuk]

Yes what is going on with the MMS when they are telling us the truth that something is up there and heading our way. Was it One the other day that posted a very good uadio interview with Tolec a young American man who is in communication with the Adromeda Council. I will return with more info after I post this.

Stan

[Calz]

If you haven't read it yet, Bill Ryan commented on the Elenin thread and elsewhere too, I think, saying that the brown dwarf is still coming this way and he expected it would be causing some severe weather in a few years, but no planet wide cataclysm. I agree.
No special scientific basis for my opinion, just my gut feeling.
Bill may have more science behind his statement, so I would think he would be a good person to ask.

Bob Dean had one of his Camelot interviews focused on the subject (suggesting a 2016/17 timeframe):


Bob Dean : The Coming of Nibiru

Phoenix, Arizona, September 2008

When we asked Bob what he wanted to discuss, he told us that he had important news, from his own inside sources, about Nibiru: the highly controversial Planet X. This video contains extremely important information for all students of Planet X to consider.

http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html


Does that timeframe match up with anyone who has been following???

[MariaDine]

http://my.sky-map.org/?locale=EN

[Hervé]

[...]
What puzzles me is elenin has 75+ threads and the biggest 66+ pages ... yet you were the first (and only thus far) to comment on the fact that it is being announced on msm tv that our binary star, brown dwarf, nibiru, plantet x, wormwood, red kachina ... whatever the heck you want to call it has entered the outer reaches of our solar system.

[...]
Cal
How's that even possible?

Meaning: That binary star IS PART OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM! It's always been! That's why it's a binary system/star!

Remember:



Now, that said, Elenin being ascertained as no dwarf star (Phewwtttffff!); the interest directed at that comet is because it came out of a sector of the sky where a dwarf star was expected to be detected.

The dwarf star or brown dwarf, the Sun's binary companion in short, hasn't been ruled out at all! To the contrary!

This article is about the clearest layman's terms arguments for the existence of such a stellar body:

Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider)

Amongst other things, it clearly shows how a sheared off Oort cloud occurs. That is, no "Flying objects" beyond but a lot within.

And lots of 'em flying objects when the brush off happens!

Agreed.

Bob Dean suggested 2016 or 2017 time frame correct???

[Calz]

Meaning: That binary star IS PART OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM! It's always been! That's why it's a binary system/star!



With a highly elliptical orbit.

I agree that a binary star would be considered part of the same solar system as it's twin star.

What I was trying to imply was it is being suggested as coming into what most of us non-atronomers (the 99.999% of the world population) would recognize as "our solar system".

Forgive me if that was too vague.

[Bridey]

Ya I started a thread about a binary system a week ago and it had no interest whatsoever( except for Amzer Zo thankyou). Disappointing because of all the science behind the theory. This is a good website with lots of info as well if your interested. I believe that Amzer Zo posted this website as well on another very important thread suggesting this theory.

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/research/introduction/theory.shtml

Thanks for posting! I found it interesting. I especially liked the "six reasons to consider" link. Very very good!

[Hervé]

Meaning: That binary star IS PART OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM! It's always been! That's why it's a binary system/star!



With a highly eliptical orbit.

I agree that a binary star would be considered part of the same solar system as it's twin star.

What I was trying to imply was it is being suggested as coming into what most of us non-atronomers (the 99.999% of the world population) would recognize as "our solar system".

Forgive me if that was too vague.

Yeah... that may be why things like this:


Now let's dispel some of the spells the gloom & doom propagandists are casting all over the place.

The most accurate description of that mysterious (there it is that propaganda... "mysterious") body is that it is cold, hence not radiating much energy, and does not reflect light as a planet does (see the articles referenced in that PDF). Also, it does not perceptibly move as a planet or a comet would.

Hence:

A comet? NIET!


A planet? NIET!

So, why call it "Planet X," "Tyche," etc?

[...]

... kept getting buried under sensationalizing videos and other things, no matter how many times and ways I offered to demonstrate it as an impossibility in that thread.

Sensationalism using the same twist as the OP CNN video: "It's entering our solar system..." boy did that ever caught on like a wild fire...

Unless I change my mind, the only thing I am gonna add on this thread about the subject is this:

If this large body is a binary star to our system, then it has an established revolution/orbit around our solar system; hence determining a cycle. Therefore, if at each cycle it were to barrel down through our "solar system" like it were a bowling alley, this current solar system wouldn't exist as it is and we wouldn't be occupying one of its planets.

Under all apparency, we are occupying one of its planets and apparently this "solar system" has been stable like it is for a lot longer than the 24,000 years orbital period of this cycle.

Oort cloud comets and asteroids bombings may be, however, a result of this orbital period; hence the need for a reliable calendar...

[loveandgratitude]

I think that Comet Elenin simply bamboozled most of us into a state of confusion. I believe that most people have taken a step back to gather their senses and perspective and missed this one. Any more info about it, what it is and where is it going?

[Hervé]

[...]

Second: where are the scientific body Avalon used to host in its members? How come they are not on this? Oh, do I remember some of them that are now away! We may have to get news elsewhere now.
[...]


Flash... they quit posting in the face of virulent ignorance that was more akin to firmly held beliefs of inquisitors... Chuck is an example of that.

[<8>]

Hi Calz..


My thoughts on this....


The fastest rocket to leave the Earth’s atmosphere, officials said. With about 2.5 million pounds of thrust at launch, it’s traveling to Pluto at 36,000 mph.
Yet it will still take 9 1/2 years to reach Pluto.

As passengers on Earth we are all carried around the sun at a mean velocity of 66,600 mph.
If nibiru have a speed like earth, and let's say they travels straight for each other, Let's say they meet up in about 4 years if all conditions are perfect.
If either of us got slightest trajectory wrong OR if we are headed for each other at all, we never gonna get the first row seat are we ?
Either way, it's missing 21 dec 2012 deadline i heard many have talkt about..


Much love and keep it real....:)

p.s...it was beyond pluto, that's why i used pluto as a refrence..it's past 4 in the morning here, so my calculations might me wrong.. sorry for that, but i hope you get my point..

[ThePythonicCow]

Flash... they quit posting in the face of virulent ignorance that was more akin to firmly held beliefs of inquisitors... Chuck is an example of that.
Any suggestions for how to improve matters (sorry - guess I'm off topic :) :cow: :))?

[Ontarioguy]

On another note, not sure if anyone else is aware of the so called "Dead Satellite" that is going to be dropping to earth next Friday the 23rd....give or take a day or so?? Found this article online today....and just had to post it here...sorry to change the subject for a sec....but thought this might be of interest. I got to thinking that a 350lb. chunk of satellite debris hitting anyone....they would not feel a thing!

http://sync.sympatico.ca/news/nasa_satellite_pieces_to_hit_earth_in_a_week/9528285f

[Hervé]

Flash... they quit posting in the face of virulent ignorance that was more akin to firmly held beliefs of inquisitors... Chuck is an example of that.
Any suggestions for how to improve matters (sorry - guess I'm off topic :) :cow: :))?

I have no idea how that could be done from a mod point of view as it's a matter of each individual discernmemt capabilities of weighing rationality versus beliefs. I guess that's why Bill started his new "...return to rationality" thread?

[ThePythonicCow]

I have no idea how that could be done from a mod point of view as it's a matter of each individual discernment capabilities of weighing rationality versus beliefs. I guess that's why Bill started his new "...return to rationality" thread?
Clear thinking, grounded both rationally and intuitively in firm understanding all the way down to the conceptual foundations, is valuable (in my view, at least) and precious.

One can become frustrated by its frequent absence, or delighted by its occasional presence. I find occasional delightful moments here (on this forum) and in my current (the list keeps changing) readings - Paul LaViolette and Judy Wood.

(sorry - not really an answer - and further off topic ...)

[Vitalux]

Binary Star Isn't "Real" Until it is on CNN

Now I know it is not a real threat, just propaganda.
I am turning my attention to the War and attacking that NATO is doing.

The only thing I believe is important is for the folks of the world to UNITE and RIOT and PROTEST and STOP what NATO is doing.

For the love of humanity, lets stop the madness
Have not we seen enough of this ???????
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xWKx51mIDz4/Ti7kjVyMb6I/AAAAAAAAAiE/NIqauYQILOU/s1600/napalm_kim_phuc.jpg

Lets not repeat history

Canada as well as the rest of us in NATO have this blood on our hands. Silence is consent.


NATO get OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST:

Irag
Afghanistan
Libya

[Sidney]

I spotted this while looking at the weekend solar activity. Check it out. You cannot deny this. Notice time stamp.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=9946&d=1316403494


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[Calz]

The fastest rocket to leave the Earth’s atmosphere, officials said. With about 2.5 million pounds of thrust at launch, it’s traveling to Pluto at 36,000 mph.
Yet it will still take 9 1/2 years to reach Pluto.

As passengers on Earth we are all carried around the sun at a mean velocity of 66,600 mph.
If nibiru have a speed like earth, and let's say they travels straight for each other, Let's say they meet up in about 4 years if all conditions are perfect.
If either of us got slightest trajectory wrong OR if we are headed for each other at all, we never gonna get the first row seat are we ?
Either way, it's missing 21 dec 2012 deadline i heard many have talkt about..


Thanks for that.

Aside from my reference to Bob Dean's suggested 2016/17 (and query if others were on board with that) I made no connections with dates. Your calculations would put it in that range.

2012 for most people is linked to the mayan calandar (of course) and that is subject to speculation (aside from it's remarkable accuracy).

[Calz]

Paul LaViolette and Judy Wood.



On board on those two accounts.

LaViolette I have referenced in several threads regarding his work on the "superwave" eminating from the galactic core.

[Thefrenzy1978]

Maybe i can point people to this direction http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/news/cosmic_news/dead_star_in_1987_encyclopedia.htm

[onawah]

I miss those pre-Charles days too. Now it's up to those of us who are left on PA to stay on target.



[...]
Second: where are the scientific body Avalon used to host in its members? How come they are not on this? Oh, do I remember some of them that are now away! We may have to get news elsewhere now.
[...]

Flash... they quit posting in the face of virulent ignorance that was more akin to firmly held beliefs of inquisitors... Chuck is an example of that.

I just watched several of the Camelot interviews with Bob Dean again, and I'm really glad I did.
A lot of what seemed very clear when I first watched them years ago has perhaps been slowly obfuscated over the past few years , and possibly the brouhaha over Elenin is just the most recent camouflage.
Listening to Bob Dean again reminded me of just how much those in the know have wanted to keep the existence of Nibiru secret, and all that it involves.
I have a feeling that may be one reason why we have gone off on so many sidetracks.

Although looked at in another way, Elenin may have been a great reminder of what a few years ago we were hot on the trail of.
And no matter how much it has been debunked, I think there may still be something to the info about Nibiru, especially since it's pretty obvious now that the binary star really is there.

Many whisteleblowers have told us that the Annunaki are still around. They're on Mars and on Earth in ancient underground bases.
Presumably they do still have a planet home of their own.
According to Bob Dean, Sitchin's take on it was quite accurate.
So when did the information we were given about Nibiru from whistleblowers like Bob Dean, Van Flandern, Robert Harrington, Neil Freer and others become discredited?
Or have we just been diverted?
Did those in the top secret ops decide to do everything they could to make us forget it, since they still don't know what to do about it?

Here are some of the highlights from the Bob Dean interviews:
He was a friend of Sitchin and said that according to Sitchin, Nibiru comes around every 3600 years and the last time it was around was in 1600 BC.
Dean said a couple of different things about when it will be here next, but the last thing he said is that it will start to be felt around 2017. In another place in the interview, he said it will be at it's closest in 2060.
He said that according to ETs and humans working with them, it will be on the same side of the Sun as the Earth this time around, which means the effects can be severe.

The Annunaki have technology to protect Nibiru during the crossing, and there is a possibility that something similar could be used to protect Earth, but presumably that would seem to be dependent on how we handle things between now and then.
Nothing was mentioned in the interview about the binary star, but from what I understand, Nibiru is one of it's moons, and comes closer to Earth and so has more of an effect on us. But it is presumably a sign that Nibiru is coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM&feature=relmfu

and the 3 part interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9fS8Y-fww




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5vjv3e9xAo&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3AdaWuuX3I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3AdaWuuX3I&feature=related

Part 3, this last one, is focused more on Bob Dean's wife Marcia, and doesn't really go into the Nibiru issue.

[Hervé]

To give one an idea on the length to which an organization can go to, to convince a certain group of people of something, watch (or rewatch) the beginning of this video where Stan Deyo recounts the outline of "Noise Level."


y8oQn-8YmU0

[Lord Sidious]

Maybe i can point people to this direction http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/news/cosmic_news/dead_star_in_1987_encyclopedia.htm

Thanks for that site man, much appreciated.

[jcocks]

Is it possible, perhaps that they sent the pioneer probes 10 and 11 out into "interstellar" space knowing full well what they would encounter?


Naaahh.....That'd be crazy......

;)

[Lord Sidious]

Is it possible, perhaps that they sent the pioneer probes 10 and 11 out into "interstellar" space knowing full well what they would encounter?


Naaahh.....That'd be crazy......

;)

I think they did do that, with the intention of checking to see where things were, more than discovering them.

[jcocks]

Seems a little low-tech way of doing that, but it could be a case of "we heard runours from our black-ops sources that these exist, so we'll send out some probes to check"....

Also wonder if they really lost contact with the probes like they said they did.... Sounds like a question for bob dean...

[Calz]

Seems a little low-tech way of doing that, but it could be a case of "we heard runours from our black-ops sources that these exist, so we'll send out some probes to check"....

Also wonder if they really lost contact with the probes like they said they did.... Sounds like a question for bob dean...

Such as allegedly checking out the "wave" ...


Of some considerable interest is the testimony from our insider source Jake Simpson, who told us in October 2008 that there was a 'wave' coming - but that it would not arrive here for quite a few years: possibly around 2017-2020. When asked how he knew, his response was that highly advanced and classified superluminal [faster-then-light] craft had been out to "take a look", and had then returned to report back with the information. Jake told us that the effect could either be cataclysmic, or "just a puff of wind"... and that exactly what would happen, and when, was simply not known.

http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

[DoubleHelix]

In all likelihood our solar system's binary star is the "Dog Star" Sirius.

[Calz]

In all likelihood our solar system's binary star is the "Dog Star" Sirius.

One of the closest but also the brightest (not fitting a "brown dwarf" type).

Also apparently a binary system into itself.

Care to elaborate?



Sirius is the sky’s brightest star. It’s nearly 3-and-a-half times brighter than Arcturus, the next-brightest star easily visible from northern latitudes. Most people notice Sirius in the southeast – south – or southwest on evenings from winter to mid-spring. It’s also fun to spot Sirius as it ascends in the east before dawn on late summer mornings.

At 8.6 light-years distance, Sirius is one of the nearest stars to us after the sun. (A light year is nearly 6 trillion miles!) In fact it is the nearest star easily visible to the unaided eye from most of the northern hemisphere. Classified by astronomers as an “A” type star, it is much hotter than our sun, with about surface about 17,000 degrees F (the sun is about 10,000 degrees F). With slightly more than twice the mass of the sun and just less than twice its diameter, Sirius still puts out 26 times as much energy. It is considered a normal (main sequence) star, meaning that it produces most of its energy by converting hydrogen into helium through nuclear fusion. As mentioned above, Sirius has a small, faint companion star appropriately called “The Pup.” That name signifies youth, but in fact “The Pup” is a dead star called a “white dwarf.” Once a mighty star, today it is an earth-sized ember too faint to be seen without a telescope.

http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/sirius-the-brightest-star


Sirius is a binary star system consisting of two white stars orbiting each other with a separation of about 20 astronomical units (3.0×109 km; 1.9×109 mi)[note 5] (roughly the distance between the Sun and Uranus) and a period of 50.1 years. The brighter component, termed Sirius A, is a main sequence star of spectral type A1V, with an estimated surface temperature of 9,940 K.[8] Its companion, Sirius B, is a star that has already evolved off the main sequence and become a white dwarf. Currently 10,000 times less luminous in the visual spectrum, Sirius B was once the more massive of the two.[68] The age of the system has been estimated at around 230 million years. Early in its lifespan it was thought to have been two bluish white stars orbiting each other in an elliptical orbit every 9.1 years.[68] The system emits a higher than expected level of infrared radiation, as measured by IRAS space-based observatory. This may be an indication of dust in the system, and is considered somewhat unusual for a binary star.[66][69] The Chandra X-ray Observatory image shows Sirius B outshining its bright partner as it is a brighter X-ray source.[70]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

[DoubleHelix]

That's the conclusion that I'm leaning toward after coming across numerous accounts from certain individuals relaying strong credence to such a theory.

Walter Cruttenden offers compelling evidence in favour of Sirius being our Sun's campanion. His book "Lost Star of myth and time" is a must-read for anybody interested in the binary star system theory. He's also apart of the Binary research institute - http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/

This brief interview is a great summary of his work and theory (24 mins) - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc4OTUzOTEy.html

Walter's just one of the many Sirius believers, nonetheless, a good place to start :)

[araucaria]

There is definitely a problem of some kind with Bob Dean’s take on Nibiru. He refers to his ‘good friend’ Sitchin, and then states: Santorini (1600 BC) plus 3600 years equals now.

Here’s what Sitchin writes, (in The End of Days, page 298):

‘Such an occurrence (a moon of Nibiru striking Uranus) would have affected the orbit of Nibiru, slowing it down to about 3450 Earth-years rather than 3600, and resulting in a post-Diluvial reappearance schedule of circa 7450, circa 4000, and circa 550 B.C.E. If that is what had happened, it would suggest the “early” arrival of Nibiru in 556 B.CE. – and suggest that its next arrival will lbe circa A.D. 2900.’

So according to the number one Nibiru specialist himself, we have nothing to worry about for another nine centuries...

[Calz]

There is definitely a problem of some kind with Bob Dean’s take on Nibiru. He refers to his ‘good friend’ Sitchin, and then states: Santorini (1600 BC) plus 3600 years equals now.

Here’s what Sitchin writes, (in The End of Days, page 298):

‘Such an occurrence (a moon of Nibiru striking Uranus) would have affected the orbit of Nibiru, slowing it down to about 3450 Earth-years rather than 3600, and resulting in a post-Diluvial reappearance schedule of circa 7450, circa 4000, and circa 550 B.C.E. If that is what had happened, it would suggest the “early” arrival of Nibiru in 556 B.CE. – and suggest that its next arrival will lbe circa A.D. 2900.’

So according to the number one Nibiru specialist himself, we have nothing to worry about for another nine centuries...

I put more faith in Dean than Sitchin.

(regardless of the "good friend" reference)




One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.



Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

[AMystic3434]

cool. Glad to see that it is on main stream media.

[araucaria]

I put more faith in Dean than Sitchin.

(regardless of the "good friend" reference)



I know all this - but I still don't know what he's playing at with the "good friend" reference. Why refer to him at all merely to distort his words? I personally wouldn't have bothered.

Edit: It amounts to fudging the difference between Nibiru and Planet X that others are painstakingly seeking to establish

[Calz]

I put more faith in Dean than Sitchin.

(regardless of the "good friend" reference)



I know all this - but I still don't know what he's playing at with the "good friend" reference. Why refer to him at all merely to distort his words? I personally wouldn't have bothered.

Cannot speak for Bob ... nor Jordan Maxwell who spoke glowingly of Sitchin.

You bring up a good point.

[araucaria]

Jordan Maxwell is a very good man in so many ways, but as a linguist myself, I am not very convinced by some of his forays into etymology... We all have our weak spots - strong in hearts often means no clubs!

[onawah]

Sitchin wrote "IF this is what had happened". That is not the same as saying it was what happened.


There is definitely a problem of some kind with Bob Dean’s take on Nibiru. He refers to his ‘good friend’ Sitchin, and then states: Santorini (1600 BC) plus 3600 years equals now.

Here’s what Sitchin writes, (in The End of Days, page 298):

‘Such an occurrence (a moon of Nibiru striking Uranus) would have affected the orbit of Nibiru, slowing it down to about 3450 Earth-years rather than 3600, and resulting in a post-Diluvial reappearance schedule of circa 7450, circa 4000, and circa 550 B.C.E. If that is what had happened, it would suggest the “early” arrival of Nibiru in 556 B.CE. – and suggest that its next arrival will lbe circa A.D. 2900.’

So according to the number one Nibiru specialist himself, we have nothing to worry about for another nine centuries...

[araucaria]

Sitchin wrote "IF this is what had happened". That is not the same as saying it was what happened.



"If" merely refers to the scenario of a collision of a moon with Uranus reducing the period from 3600 to 3450 years. He is saying the cycle has speeded up and still we are centuries from next time around.

[onawah]

I have most of Sitchin's books, but not End of Days. Did he offer evidence of Nibiru's passing on those dates mentioned, or was it all just supposition?
The real proof is going to be when someone has actually been able to see and measure it's distance from Earth.
Weren't some of those probes sent out to do just that?

[araucaria]

He associates passings with events similar to but not including the Santorini earthquake, which did for the Minoan civilization on Crete, and some say happened at the time of the Exodus.
But if, as many claim, Nibiru should be off the table, and we are talking about Planet X, it is strange that it should share Nibiru's c. 3600 orbit except for being c.1000 years out of synch.

[OnyxKnight]

What really pisses me off is the use of the term 'brown dwarf'.

The difference between a 'brown dwarf' and a 'red dwarf', is astronomical. And those people who cover stories like this, or entertain the idea/fact, would know the astronomical difference of these two types of cosmic bodies, if they ........ well ......... knew a bit of, I dunno, astronomy?

[onawah]

Where did the idea that Bob Dean and Sitchin were not friends originate from?

[AMystic3434]

What I find interesting is that they act like they just discovered it. Wouldnt they have know about this for a long time. They didnt say it was moving towards us they just say it was found. I would think they would of found it before now.

[araucaria]

Where did the idea that Bob Dean and Sitchin were not friends originate from?

In your head as far as I know ;)

I said Dean was referring to his 'friend Zechariah Sitchin'. I am puzzled by his misrepresentation of what his friend actually said

[onawah]

I have not read Sitchin's End of Days yet, but I was curious to know why there have been so many different versions as to when Nibiru was here last and when it would return next, and if those estimates had changed since Sitchin first began his Chronicles.


Auracaria wrote: "Here’s what Sitchin writes, (in The End of Days, page 298):
‘Such an occurrence (a moon of Nibiru striking Uranus) would have affected the orbit of Nibiru, slowing it down to about 3450 Earth-years rather than 3600, and resulting in a post-Diluvial reappearance schedule of circa 7450, circa 4000, and circa 550 B.C.E. If that is what had happened, it would suggest the “early” arrival of Nibiru in 556 B.CE. – and suggest that its next arrival will be circa A.D. 2900.’"

I decided to do a little research of my own, and here is what I found...
From:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/pex_2.htm
Sumerian Culture and the Annunaki
Copyright Neil Freer and www.ancientX.com,
Reprinted with permission
What evidence supports the Sitchin thesis?
“ A key underpinning of the Sitchin paradigm is the existence, now or in the past, of the tenth planet in our solar system, the home planet of the Anunnaki with the size, orbit, and characteristics described, as Sitchin has demonstrated, in the Enuma Elish and corroborated by Harrington, former chief of the U.S. Naval Observatory, now deceased.
 Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. Christie, of the U.S. Naval Observatory, discovered Charon, Pluto’s moon, in 1978. The characteristics of Pluto derivable from the nature of Charon demonstrated that there must still be a large planet undiscovered because Pluto could not be the cause of the residuals, the “wobbles” in the orbital paths of Uranus and Neptune clearly identifiable. The IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite), during ’83 -’84, produced observations of a tenth planet so robust that one of the astronomers on the project said that “all that remains is to name it” -- from which point the information has become curiously guarded. In 1992 Harrington and Van Flandern of the Naval Observatory, working with all the information they had at hand, published their findings and opinion that there is, indeed, a tenth planet, even calling it an “intruder” planet. The search was narrowed to the southern skies, below the ecliptic. Harrington invited Sitchin, having read his book and translations of the Enuma Elish, to a meeting at his office and they correlated the current findings with the ancient records.
The recovered Enuma Elish document, a history of the formation of our solar system and more, says that, at the time when Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Uranus and Saturn were in place, there was a Uranus sized planet, called Tiamat, in orbit between Mars and Jupiter. Earth was not in place yet. A large wandering planet, called Nibiru, was captured into the system gravitationally. As it passed by the outer planets it caused the anomalies of their moons, the tilting of Uranus on its side, the dislodging of Pluto from its being a moon of Saturn to its own planetary orbit. Its path bent by the gravitational pull of the large planets, first its satellites collided with the large planet Tiamat and, on a second orbit through, Nibiru collided with Tiamat, driving the larger part of it into what is now Earth’s orbit to recongeal as Earth, dragging its moon with it to become our Moon with all its anomalies. The shattered debris of Tiamat’s smaller part became the asteroid belt, comets, and meteorites. The gouge of our Pacific basin is awesome testimony to the collisional event. Nibiru settled into a 3600 year elliptical retrograde (opposite direction to all the other planets) orbit around our sun, coming in through the asteroid belt region between Mars and Jupiter at perigee and swinging far out past Pluto at apogee. Harrington acknowledged that his information agreed with all these details and the maps they each had drawn of the orbits were almost indistinguishable. The current probable location of Nibiru (Planet X, our tenth) estimated by both was the same.
 It is the opinion of this author and others that, in light of the evidence already obtained through the use of the Pioneer 10 and 11 and two Voyager space craft, the Infrared Imaging Satellite (IRAS, ‘83-84) and the clear and unequivocal statements of Harrington when consulting with Sitchin, that the search has already been accomplished, in fact that the planet has already been found.
We need to force the issue of the tenth planet being in our solar system, not just to demonstrate the validity of the new paradigm but for a very practical reason. The ancient records are very clear. The passage of the tenth planet, Nibiru, once every 3600 years, through the inner solar system effects the Earth, sometimes in catastrophic ways. It is very probably the cause of pole shifts, pole reversals, changes in the precessional movement, perhaps even catastrophic bombardment by asteroid size space debris that it may drag along with it. Since it passes through the asteroid belt area between Mars and Jupiter and its orbital path may vary depending on the position of the other planets when it comes though, it may have been responsible for the devastation of Mars. A rigorous, detailed computer modeling of the solar system, including the tenth planet needs to be done urgently for our own planetary safety. Remember that the Vatican maintains an astronomical observatory and Msgr. Balducci may have access to information that prompts him to make the amazing statements he has ---- no doubt as voice of the Vatican. “
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At the same website, there is also this interview, which the OP has taken some excerpts from...
Will Nibiru Return in 2003? Your Own World Radio
with Marshall Masters
Featuring an exclusive interview
with Zecharia Sitchin
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2002/planetx-2002-06a/1.shtml
“The recent release of Zecharia Sitchin’s latest book “The Lost Book Of Enki”, caused a lot of public interest, as well as some unexpected and unwarranted misinformation concerning our destiny and the return of Nibiru. Consequently, some have predicted that Nibiru will fly through our solar system next year and with catastrophic results for our planet.
Is all of this hysteria or fact? We wanted to know so we contacted Zecharia Sitchin with the able help of YOWUSA supporter, Josef Novak.   In this article, we’ll first we will present our exclusive interview with Zecharia Sitchin in response to a series of written questions submitted to him.  
Interview with Zecharia Sitchin
NOTE: The following Q&A interview was conducted over a course of weeks between YOWUSA and Zecharia Sitchin and has been reviewed by him for completeness and accuracy.   
“In the eight books preceding The Lost Book of Enki (starting with The 12th Planet in 1976).) I presented the textual and pictorial evidence from all the ancient civilizations showing that WE ARE NOT ALONE -- that there is one more planet in our own solar system from which intelligent beings (Nefilim, Elohim, Anunnaki in Sumerian) had come here some 450,000 years ago for their own reasons, and who some 300,000 years ago engaged in genetic engineering to bring about Homo-sapiens by mixing their genes with those of the evolved hominids. Their home planet, which has an elongated orbit around our sun lasting some 3,600 years, was called NIBIRU: "Planet of the Crossing." “



“YOWUSA: On your web site you quote from an article titled “Comet’s Course Hints at Mystery Planet” in the journal Science dated 6 April 2001:
“A Supercomet following an unexpectedly far-flung path around the sun suggests that an unidentified planet once lurked in the outermost reaches of the solar system, an international team of astronomers reports.  What’s more, the mysterious object may still be there.” 
From your research into the historical records of ancient civilisations are all such findings relating to the Sumerian Nibiru? 
SITCHIN: The above is just one recent example of a recurring spate of revelations from the astronomical establishment touching on the existence of one more planet in our solar system. Some ten years ago the US Government itself, through its Naval Observatory, led the search for "Planet X" and the team's leader, Dr. Harrington, agreed with my ancient evidence. At that time even The New York Times wrote that all that is left regarding the existence of such a post-Plutonian planet is to name it... (I wrote to the Planetary Society that the planet already has a name: Nibiru). After a hiatus of a decade or so, the "discoveries" of "something" "out there" keep piling up again. 
I have no doubt that at the right time -- right in the eyes of whoever decided these matters -- the existence of Nibiru will be officially confirmed.” 

“YOWUSA: According to your findings, at about 11,000 BC, 7,400 BC, and 3,800 BC as a result of the appearance of Nibiru or the visitation of the Anunnaki, mankind experienced significant technological and/or sociological advances. 
For example, the year 3,760 AD coincides with the beginning of the Jewish Calender and according to you the time of the state visit to Earth by Anu (a leader of the Anunnaki or Nibiru) in Nippur, Sumer’s “cult center.”  Assuming a relatively stable orbit for Nibiru, that would place a similar event in 3,440 AD.
According to NOSTRADAMUS scholar John Hogue, the quatrains of Nostradamus predict that the Earth will be destroyed by the expanding Sun in the year 3,797 AD.  Mayan calendars are interpreted to indicate an “ending” at 2012 AD, and so on.  How do such predictions jive with the data on the ancient clay tablets? 
SITCHIN: That Mankind's progression from Palaeolithic (Old Stone Age) to Mesolithic (Middle Stone Age) to Neolithic (New Stone Age) and then the great Sumerian civilization, had occurred in intervals of about 3,600 years, is a fact. That Anu visited Earth, approved the grant of civilization (=knowledge, science, technology) to Mankind, marked by the start of the calendar in Nippur in 3760 BC (which is still the Hebrew/Jewish calendar), is certain (as far as I am concerned). 
But as I have tried to explain in my recent Seminars (though not yet in a full length book), the visits to Earth and the nearing (at what is called perihelion) of Nibiru do NOT coincide.  This is a point of immense significance, which those who have only read my first book somehow ignore. 
Also, the assumption that the 3600 years, as a perfect mathematical given, is also at all times the actual orbital period, is untenable: Even the orbit of Halley's comet, about 75 years, varies from 74 to 76 or so. All attempts to pinpoint a precise date for future arrivals of the planet and/or of the Anunnaki are thus difficult questions. I will answer them once I am satisfied that, based on historical and astronomical data, I have come up with the right answer. “”


Following from: Nibiru's Orbit Identified
Copyright 2002 by David Millo
www.MysteriesUnsealed.com 

“Uranus and Neptune don't follow their expected paths. Pluto is far too small an influence to account for this.
John Murray, a planetary scientist, studied 13 comets with well known orbits. He found them "... all aligned along a band, as would be expected if they had been perturbed by some large body." That large body above Aquarius, [Nibiru], is estimated to be 2 trillion miles away and orbit the Sun every 5 million years. [Discover, Oct 2001, pp 76-78]

In "The Lost Book of Enki" Zecharia Sitchin has translated ancient Sumerian tablets. That translation details the planet Nibiru's orbit: "An outermost abode he chose for himself... A Shar [3,600 years] shall be his circuit..." Nibiru is also described as shepherding the gods [other planets]. (pp 54,55) Jupiter synchronizes asteroid orbits and shepherds the planets into rounder orbits. Sitchin's translation implies that Nibiru adopted a round orbit from a very highly elliptical one that brought it close to Earth. The gods descended from Nibiru where there alone they had seemingly immortal life spans.
Nibiru orbit = Jupiter to Sun light seconds^2 span x 10 1 / Nibiru orbit speed mirrors it's orbit circuit in miles
Nibiru is 414... times Jupiter span to the Sun 422... " " orbit period
The Sun is 191... times Jupiter orbit period [Sun: 226 million year orbit, Detroit Free Press and 250 km/s orbit speed, The Scientific Companion] 191... " " " speed
6x6x600 astronomical units = Nibiru span to Sun [approx. distance Earth travels in 3,600 years of orbit (Nibiru's Shar orbit duration)]
6x6x.6 = Pluto au^.666 / Mercury^.666 au to Sun
.666 = Jupiter speed / 9 planet orbit speed average
The Sumerians bequeathed their 60 minutes x 60 seconds system of time and circle arc to us. They divided the cosmos accordingly.
"Some 51 light-years away lies an extrasolar system similar to our own: a yellow star in Ursa Major has a Jupiter-size planet orbiting at a distance comparable to that of Jupiter from our sun." [Scientific American, Oct 2001, p 23]
Nibiru isn't returning in 2003 but something epic is.
Copyright 2002 by David Millo
www.MysteriesUnsealed.com “


NOTE FROM OP: I looked for some reviews of End of Days that might cast some light on what Sitchin may have said in his last book about when and if Nibiru's path might cross ours again.
Here is Andy Lloyd's review at:
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/theendofdays.html
“This is certainly Zecharia Sitchin's best book for some years.  It serves to bring together many of the various threads that he has written about over the last 30 years, as well as adding new material to his "Earth Chronicles" series.  He also answers some of the questions that have arisen from his work, and sets out his clear position on the important issue of the timing of Nibiru.
The content of the book covers some familiar ground to readers of his work.  The ancient writings of the Levant form the basis of much of his deliberations, and he makes a better job of referencing the texts and work of previous researchers, upon whose work he has built so formidably. He also draws on various scientific reviews and articles, providing the usual eclectic Sitchinite mix of ancient and modern.
Sitchin's focus here is the subject of Prophecy.  He theorises that history has a cyclical pattern to it; that what has come before will occur again.  His deliberations revolve around what time periods provide the context for these cycles.  It comes down to a choice of Millennia, Nibiruan orbital 'Sars', and the Zodiacal Ages associated with the Precession of the Equinox.  In the end, he opts for the latter, considering the end of the Age of Pisces as being perhaps fertile ground for a repeat of apocalyptic events which first occurred in the 21st Century BCE.  In that regard, he studies Biblical Prophecy for clues to the future.
As my readers will know, my research interests are themselves built upon Sitchin's work.  His opinions about the nature and timing of Nibiru are of no small consequence to me, and I found the ideas he presents in this book very interesting indeed. 
In my correspondence with Zecharia, he has seemed open-minded about my brown dwarf theory regarding Nibiru/Marduk.  Whilst no mention of this idea is made in 'The End of Days', there are several hints that seem to leave the door open to this possibility.  Figure 43 clearly shows Nibiru as a planet of similar size to Jupiter (although in the text of the book Sitchin compares it to the size of Neptune).  On page 110, Sitchin quotes Babylonian texts referring to Nibiru/Marduk as a Star/Planet, and highlights the rise of a 'Star Religion' in that culture.  In the context of the heretical ancient Egyptian religion of Aten, Nibiru is associated with the 'Star of Millions of Years' (p118).  This has an almost Nemesis quality to it, which I find quite intriguing.
In other respects too, our work has coalesced.  Sitchin considers the Messianic connotations of Nibiru, and the promise of the return of the ancient gods.  This is a subject that I have covered many times.  He again alludes to the association of the Cross symbol with Nibiru. 
Tellingly, there is no mention of an Exodus timeline for Nibiru.  This concept has been very popular amongst Sitchinites and the followers of the work of Velikovsky in recent years.  But Sitchin himself ignores this possibility entirely.  Instead, he opts for an completely different timeline, one more in keeping with a careful reading of his early works.
His cornerstone historical marker for the appearance of Nibiru is around 4000BCE, with the arrival of Anu on Earth; an event associated in the texts with the appearance of the gods' star.  That date is not certain, and may even be more closely associated with the start of the Nippur calendar in 3760BCE.  I would favour this, because I think that the calendars are reset with Nibiru (including ours?).  Either way, the next historical appearance of Nibiru should have occurred in the 4 centuries before the birth of Christ...You would have thought.  But Sitchin makes a calculated gamble.  He argues that Nibiru came early, setting off a wave of Messianic prophecy and political intrigue prior to the predicted time.  He argues that the sacking of Jerusalem in 560BCE marked the departure point for the remaining Anunnaki on Earth, an event linked to Nibiru's passage.
This idea seems overly complex; a 'fit' that is designed to merge with Biblical events of - admittedly - some importance.  This area of scholarly research is, of course, Sitchin's forte, but I'm minded to be cautious about too strong an association between the Anunnaki and the Monotheistic ancient cults of the Levant, like Judaism.  To my mind, the later messianic fervour of the Graeco-Roman period is demonstrably more likely to have been the backdrop of the return of Nibiru.  But, in the end, neither of our ideas fits the Sar period; we both have to adjust the orbital period; Sitchin reduces it, I increase it (or even multiply it up). 
What is basically lacking is a concrete historical record of the appearance of this star/planet in the 1st Millennium BCE.  That's a hugely difficult question to answer.  Unfortunately, and perhaps wisely, Sitchin makes absolutely no effort to do so here.  Why?  Because there are no candidate observations which fit his theory in the historical records.  The Star of Bethlehem is clearly a mythical construct, although likely built upon the messianic myths surrounding Nibiru in the region.  This is why I now argue that Nibiru's orbit must have a grander scope, that its distance from us is far greater than Sitchin argues for.  That the Anunnaki are long-gone...
For those of you who are apocalyptically minded, Sitchin's last book might be a disappointment.  Don't expect the 'star of millions of years' to return any time soon, folks.  His only foretelling of doom builds upon his concept of a calamity which marks the repeating of (Sitchinite) history.  As Iraq and Iran play a continuingly important focal point of world politics and conflict, so Sitchin sees the wheels of fate turning.  Be hopeful that he is wrong!
I'm personally glad that Sitchin wrote this book, and that his work has been taken up by such a prestigious publisher as HarperCollins.  There are few such scholarly writers in the field of alternative knowledge, and this book stands as a testament to Zecharia Sitchin's talent for awe-inspiring ideas.  I remain a big fan.”

NOTE FROM OP:
Reading other reviews of the book, I was unable to find any further conclusions from Sitchin as to dates for Nibiru's return, but in one video at 6:50 minutes to 7:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdmtHxxk4M
he says that at present, we should be more concerned with the return of the Annunaki themselves, which does not necessarily correspond to the time of Nibiru's return.

A 2 hour video of Sitchin speaking about The End of Days. Part 1 here: cJoZIkhLvmc

The reviewer comments”Sitchin notes that it's hard to determine where to start the countdown to the end days, which may be tied to the Aununnaki's reappearance. “
Sitchin quips that the only thing certain about 2012, is there will be another Presidential election and we will be saying, no matter who gets elected, “Get rid of the bum!”

and Part 2 here:
C-X4nnjGq0A


in which he says that 556B.C. was the year of Nibiru's last passing.
And in reference to 2012 being a possible date for the next passing, he says it's not possible, given that it takes 3400 to 3600 years to make a complete orbit.


BUT, again he says that the times when the Annunaki came to earth or left did not necessarily coincide with the time when Nibiru was closest to Earth, and goes on to show the sign of Pisces on a mosaic floor of an ancient Christian church and a Sumerian cylinder seal which shows the next return of the Annunaki to Earth (by way of Mars) would be in the Age of Pisces, which is almost over, though there is still a lot of debate as to exactly when that is.

We have heard from various whistleblowers that there are Annunaki presently on Mars, and we have heard some of them have never left Earth, but as to an official visit, it hasn't happened yet, as far as I am aware, unless appearing to whistleblowers and military, gov officials etc. counts.
As to when the Age of Pisces ends and the Age of Aquarias begins, Sitchin cautions that the nuclear war that the Annunaki fought around 2,000 B.C. was about whether the Age of Taurus had ended and the Age of Aries had begun or not, and he shows the difference between measuring time based on cycles, which is more unpredictable, as opposed to numbers, which is exact, but may not necessarily be correct in terms of actual events.

So judging from this, the Annunaki may be close or already here, but Nibiru won't be here again for centuries. But it's easy to see why there has been so much confusion, even for someone like Bob Dean.

[Davidallany]

What is wrong with Avalon.
Maybe Avalon is no longer a priority, maybe the attention has been diverted to some other projects.

[Calz]

What is wrong with Avalon.
Maybe Avalon is no longer a priority, maybe the attention has been diverted to some other projects.

Many *wonderful* souls have moved on ... such is the way of life.

Appreciate what they shared and honor their memory.

That said ... there are still plenty of good people with plenty to offer. I don't believe there is anything "wrong" with Avalon. It will always change as nothing in life is static.

That's a good thing.

IMHO

[onawah]

It seems we can safely lay the question about Nibiru to rest for the near future, in any case, but that still leaves the questions about the brown dwarf and what impact it may have, if it does indeed exist.

[OnyxKnight]

the brown dwarf ..

Didn't I go through this already?

Here let me help everybody on the subject here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dwarf

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hmmmmm.

No one else found this interesting enough to comment on???

Our binary star coming into the solar system announced on mainstream television ... ho hum. :sleep:

Guess we got burned out talking about elenin.

What i don't get is the fact that 'they' have the means to observe the farest flung Galaxies in the Universe, going back to the Big Bang, and have observed planets orbiting Stars just by the minuscule wobble of said Star but they can't (or wont) identify a massive body IN OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM?? What's up with that picture? This massive body was reported in MSM decades ago and still nothing?


I been tracking an object since summer of last year, nobody, no news, no radio , no threads no nothing was talking about it. I got frustrated and kept it to myself, people only believe what they want to hear. all the problems of the earth with sinkholes, weather, animal death and such , once again gamma radiation, and the pull from the dwarf, tipping the earth and moon and saturn and changing our world, now that cnn and others are talking about it I say welcome to the party. the d.u.m.b.s. have a purpose, the surface of the earth will change, CONSIDER ... the government has spent trillions building two bases a year for fifty years, and connected them ALL BY RAILCAR. they plan to be underground for a long time. reason ? they know whats coming..... being topside won't be a very good place to be......

If it's not going to be nice on the surface, it sure aint going to be pretty trapped down there with all the planets Psychopaths!!
I know where I'd rather be LOL

Hurritt

[Calz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_dwarf

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:sorry: Just couldn't resist.

Earth humor ... what are ya gonna do???

:jester:

[HURRITT ENYETO]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_dwarf

10003

:sorry: Just couldn't resist.

Earth humor ... what are ya gonna do???

:jester:

Has that been confirmed by MSM?
We have an incoming famous Dwarf. :fish:

[math330]

Sorry to jump in on this relatively late - but to address what other posters have mentioned; I think the reason some threads don't get the exposure they deserve is that more often than not the forum is swamped with, putting it bluntly, crap. I often wonder how many decent threads I've missed as I've wrongly assumed that a thread is some nonsense, hysterical youtube clip.

Same happened, to me, with this thread. Sorry to say :)

Even the fact that this made MS news is big news! Another tidbit of info.... either designed to introduce the public to the possibility of a brown dwarf - or designed to scare us.
Maybe something is coming after all.

[onawah]

The only thing I found on those links re a brown dwarf in our solar system was this:
"It has also been predicted, by some astronomers, that the Sun may be orbited by an as yet unobserved brown dwarf (sometimes referred to as Nemesis) which interacts with the Oort cloud (and may have helped shape the position of the dwarf planets).[25
Which isn't very conclusive.
In any case, the question foremost in most minds, I think, is not what a brown dwarf is, but whether there is one in our solar system, and if so , where it is, and if Nibiru is orbiting it.
Bill Ryan said he thinks there is a brown dwarf coming in close in the next few years which will cause extremes in weather, but nothing catastrophic.
The first I heard of our brown dwarf, it was theorized to be the star that Nibiru orbits, but since Nibiru still has about 900 years before making an appearance in our skies again (if at all), this predicted brown dwarf seems to be coming in close to us rather soon.
Or would that be a reasonable distance for it be away from Nibiru, cosmically speaking?

I agree, there has been too much rubbish on the forum lately detracting from the significant news, but that isn't really new.
Maybe it's just the default tactic of TPTW when they've run out of Charles/Atticus types of decoys to throw us off track, and haven't come up yet with anything new.
Or maybe it's just common run of the mill nuggetry.



the brown dwarf ..

Didn't I go through this already?

Here let me help everybody on the subject here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dwarf

[onawah]

I started to tune out to the controversy when the second Planet X, which was supposedly not Nibiru even though it seemed to resemble it in the most important ways, was introduced. That seemed to me like another one of those tactics of TPTW of throwing a wrench into the works just to get everyone frustrated and confused.
One Planet X is quite enough!
Ditto for the brown dwarf!
But now we have a second brown dwarf apparently, introduced by "Tolec" in the recent interviews with Alfred L. Webre. This brown dwarf is supposed to have been brought here to our solar system recently by the Andromedans to help bring in the Golden Age. He says it is cloaked now, and doesn't say when it will be uncloaked, but uncloaked or not, it would certainly be obvious by other means if a brown dwarf was entering our immediate neighborhood.
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Perhaps this is just another obfuscation tactic, like the second Planet X.