What would you do, if you found out the truth.

[<8>]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

[Jake]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I would write a book explaining my findings. I would offer it free of charge. I would join Avalon and scream it from the rooftops. :)

www.thebookofjacob.webs.com

[Lord Sidious]

I would never tell anyone.
I would simply drop bits and pieces to those who were interested and allow them to assemble their own holy grail.

[passiglight]

I think i have and its quite simple but it's not about facts or figures, it's just perspectives,, so in many way lord sid is quite correct as one has to experience perspectives in order to assemble his or her world view,,, then see how that world view aligns with source,

then one just vibrates one's new frequency straight into the multivariate,,,,,,,

But i can defiantly give you my own historical account going back 20 million years no problem,,,

see if it resonates with source lol

[Bollinger]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

Not sure it is possible to call it truth if only one person knows about it. Granted that it may indeed be the truth but this world does not accept things as being truth on hearsay (for good reason) so unfortunately you would have to provide some sort of evidence. If you can't, the truth remains private to you and anyone else who chooses to believe it.

If the world was different and there was a way in which one could test for veracity without evidence, (i.e. an infallible lie detector), it might be possible but even then some might say the lie detector was rigged!

Without concrete evidence to support what is being said, it is virtually impossible to get your private truth widely accepted.

If something was revealed to me, for example, a supernatural presence took over my senses and revealed to me what I was thinking or what I thought (something only I could possibly know) and then proceeded to fill me in on some fundamental ideas about where we came from, why the world is as it is and so forth, I might, in time, explain it to a third party but I would not expect them to believe it. If I insisted they take it at face value, it would mean I was keeping two sets of books and that's just plainly dishonest.

[stardustaquarion]

It is an interesting situation. Your truth is real for you but to be truth to others they have to be able to experience it first hand. Otherwise is just you telling a story specially is what you imply as truth is subjective...but you can always write a book. This days there are places like Lulu that allow to selfpublish :D

[Billy]

There are many truths, I have my truth, why do i need to convince others of my own personal truth, Just be, and they will see or they won't see. I have no attachment towards others believing in my truth, not my problem.

Blessings Billyji

[Agape]

You would be very quiet ...and think a lot ...from my own experience ..

:becky:

[truthseekerdan]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

[Billy]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

I respond with, What is Science Fiction.?

In my truth, if you can imagine it, it can be :peace:

[Terra]

I would do as Uncle Sid suggested, and drop little bits out one by one and tell them to go and research it.
You can only find your own truth by looking for yourself, and you need your own catalyst to start searching for it.

[Agape]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

Not sure it is possible to call it truth if only one person knows about it. Granted that it may indeed be the truth but this world does not accept things as being truth on hearsay (for good reason) so unfortunately you would have to provide some sort of evidence. If you can't, the truth remains private to you and anyone else who chooses to believe it.

If the world was different and there was a way in which one could test for veracity without evidence, (i.e. an infallible lie detector), it might be possible but even then some might say the lie detector was rigged!

Without concrete evidence to support what is being said, it is virtually impossible to get your private truth widely accepted.

If something was revealed to me, for example, a supernatural presence took over my senses and revealed to me what I was thinking or what I thought (something only I could possibly know) and then proceeded to fill me in on some fundamental ideas about where we came from, why the world is as it is and so forth, I might, in time, explain it to a third party but I would not expect them to believe it. If I insisted they take it at face value, it would mean I was keeping two sets of books and that's just plainly dishonest.



There's no such such thing as Truth of one man...unless you're hypothetically , the last survivor of your specie .

That is if we can agree on terms like Reality we share and use , the Reality that 'shares us' , in another words discernable, verifiable , logical truth common for your kind.

The term that comes to my mind though is ..noosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere). Noosphere is something like a mental platform intelligent beings share in certain time period containing nouns and knowables available to them .

If the Truth you found is by chance , slightly larger or shifted few inches from the commonly shared matrix / noosphere, no matter how important, valid or real the truth is you will face problems with 'translating ' it to commonly known terms and logical processes .


An example is said to be , not sure this is true or not , but when first Ships appeared on the horizon of ocean , nearing the banks of Old America,
only few people were actually able to see them . The rest of people saw nothing or thought they are having visions and those visions were fading from their sight .
Why , because the Ships were completely out of their 'noosphere' that time ..



:panda:

[truthseekerdan]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

I respond with, What is Science Fiction.?

In my truth, if you can imagine it, it can be :peace:

That's why no one (human) can or will imagine the whole 'Truth'... :)

[TargeT]

I would never tell anyone.
I would simply drop bits and pieces to those who were interested and allow them to assemble their own holy grail.

atticus?

haha

Remember Athene's theory of everything.. you cannot do anything other than what Lord Sidious has stated... IT WILL NOT WORK.

if you try to force THIS horse to drink water, it will not only balk, but turn on YOU and attack YOU, then wander away from the water and die of thirst.

[PixieDust]

I second Lord Sid.

truth cannot be heard, it must be experianced individually. Even then it will be a different journey than mine. I may step on a thorn along the way when the next person might stub their toe on a rock.

[Anno]

[..]How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I'd do an interview with Bill and Kerry before appearing at a few conferences, y'know, test the water. Then I'd bring out a website full of webinars and top secret members only downloads, a few books and dvds and maybe even a computer game. I don't think there's been one of those yet. Oh, and t-shirts and hoodies and mousemats and bumper stickers and ooh, how about a tie in with McDonalds? Ascension Happy Meal. Burger, Fries, Small drink and magic token that garuntees you a place on the mothership when it arrives.

I've noticed something about the truth. The closer you get to it, the fewer people listen to you. So in reality I'd encode what I knew in to something like fiction that seems harmless and would spread everywhere, then go find a new truth to track down. For me it is the quest for truth that is important, not the truth itself. From that perspective it doesn't matter if you ever find it. =]

[<8>]

One might say, this is a trick question !

If one finds out all there is to know, that person will know exactly what's need to be done to spread the truth.
If this is the will of this person ofc...



Much love to you all....:)

[TargeT]

[..]How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I'd do an interview with Bill and Kerry before appearing at a few conferences, y'know, test the water. Then I'd bring out a website full of webinars and top secret members only downloads, a few books and dvds and maybe even a computer game. I don't think there's been one of those yet. Oh, and t-shirts and hoodies and mousemats and bumper stickers and ooh, how about a tie in with McDonalds? Ascension Happy Meal. Burger, Fries, Small drink and magic token that garuntees you a place on the mothership when it arrives.

I've noticed something about the truth. The closer you get to it, the fewer people listen to you. So in reality I'd encode what I knew in to something like fiction that seems harmless and would spread everywhere, then go find a new truth to track down. For me it is the quest for truth that is important, not the truth itself. From that perspective it doesn't matter if you ever find it. =]

what you describe has already been done, start looking at old architecture, start listening to stories, look at the BASE STORY of movies.. you will find what you describe exists RIGHT NOW...

don't hold your self back, your obviously ready for it

:)

[humanalien]

I wouldn't waste my time telling others because people in general
don't want to hear the truth. They are to wrapped up in their daily
routines to have room enough for anything else.

Then you have people that lets say, they are standing beside a green
rock. You tell them they are standing beside a green rock and they will
stand right there and call you a lier, time after time. I've ran into many of
these types of people. They always have to be right and you are wrong.

So, there is no sense wasting your breath. People aren't ready for the truth.

[Jake]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I would write a book explaining my findings. I would offer it free of charge. I would join Avalon and scream it from the rooftops. :)

www.thebookofjacob.webs.com

I would hope to realize the duality of any truth,,, yet understand that keeping the truth to ones self is NOT possible, as no ONE person will know the entirety of it.

I would spend some time talking to myself!!! (:):):))

Then I would scream it from the roof tops.

[Jake]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I would write a book explaining my findings. I would offer it free of charge. I would join Avalon and scream it from the rooftops. :)

www.thebookofjacob.webs.com

I would hope to realize the duality of any truth,,, yet understand that keeping the truth to ones self is NOT possible, as no ONE person will know the entirety of it.

I would spend some time talking to myself!!! (:):):))

Then I would scream it from the roof tops.

(me too!) :)

[<8>]

Thanks Jake i am reading this http://www.thebookofjacob.webs.com/ now...


:P

[Seikou-Kishi]

I would hope to realize the duality of any truth,,, yet understand that keeping the truth to ones self is NOT possible, as no ONE person will know the entirety of it.

I would spend some time talking to myself!!! (:):):))

Then I would scream it from the roof tops.

Screaming from rooftops and muttering to oneself? I think I must have found the truth then lol :P

[jjjones]

Truthseekerdan, science fiction is the truth just hidden from the majority of the population. all fiction written is based on a morsel of experience/truth, it is intertwined to blur and deliberately deceive those whom the writer feels has no need to know the truth, but in contradiction the writer feels the need to expel the truth from within him/her and spews it out in the form of fiction. namaste,peace and love universally

[spiritguide]

If one knew it ALL, then they would be on a different plane of existance.....with ALL ! Even when we leave our dimension we still will not know ALL.

[Carmen]

Whadda ya mean IF??? :rofl::rofl:

[Daft Ada]

An interesting question. Sorry Sid, I can't agree with you because what you advocate is pretty much what is going on at the moment and suggests you are of the same attitude as the PTW.
I believe that if any one of us found out what "8" refers to as the truth, and it is proven beyond any doubt, (Which is what I think 8 is implying) then it is my duty to tell everyone about it and I would use every means I can think of to get the information to everyone, whether they believe it is entirely up to them and they are free to find whatever proof they need. Also if the truth was so incredible that the PTW would be after me for releasing it, I would gladly give what's left of my life to get it to the people.

[Someoneson1]

nice post ... just excelent ..... When i first had my awakening or holy instant i thought it was enough and tried screaming it from the roof tops only to recieve a dose of some anti-phycotic and told i was having a schitzo episode. This was disheartening especially because i was so naieve i honestly thought the shrink was gonna get it and tell me what to do or who to see next lol,lol,lol (head shake) after years of depression and much house cleaning i started to understand the truth behind the experience. and what i came to understand was so incredible and unbelievable to one who is mired in the world that the old "dont throw your peril to swine" adage comes to mind.

The beauty about discovering the big picture is you can see the end or the beginning (same thing) and when you can see the end picture you know the outcome is assured so theres nothing to do but radiate the end picture as a new prespective and learn to see what was always there and in turn replace it for what you once thought was truth.

I don't need to do any thing for my brother but see love/truth in him. isn't it those golden ppl who just smile warmly and knowingly at you without ever saying a word that seem to touch you in a way you just can't put into words???

great post thank you thank you thank you .....

[antelucem]

truth cannot be heard, it must be experianced individually. Even then it will be a different journey than mine. I may step on a thorn along the way when the next person might stub their toe on a rock.


I agree with this too... there is no such thing as one truth, each persons perception is slightly different. I am reminded of thinking about when flowers first appeared on the planet, if you didn't witness that first flower would you have believed it to exist? and yet it did/does

I try to walk my truth and with time I believe that we will reach critical mass and everyone will resonate with thier own truths (hoping they are similar to mine :p )

[bennycog]

definitely fill my fellow avalonians in on the discovery and then sit back and watch it be fought out on the thread to wether it is true or not :)
no seriously i would gather every aspect i could of the info and present it to you guys here.. because it is our open minds and productiviy on such matters that can help our little less knowing counterparts, who we love dearly..

[Lord Sidious]

An interesting question. Sorry Sid, I can't agree with you because what you advocate is pretty much what is going on at the moment and suggests you are of the same attitude as the PTW.
I believe that if any one of us found out what "8" refers to as the truth, and it is proven beyond any doubt, (Which is what I think 8 is implying) then it is my duty to tell everyone about it and I would use every means I can think of to get the information to everyone, whether they believe it is entirely up to them and they are free to find whatever proof they need. Also if the truth was so incredible that the PTW would be after me for releasing it, I would gladly give what's left of my life to get it to the people.

Good luck with showing people the truth then.
And you can't be given the holy grail, every soul must assemble their own.

[58andfixed]

Ok, so Santa's only a myth!

Does one exercise some discernment in whom one delivers this 'truth' to ?

Might be a wise & tactful thing to do.

Often the messenger is tossed aside simply for the message being delivered.

'Why' so many people 'run into' rejection, when attempting to deliver a message of information not widely available, is due to BIAS.

Prepare for our BIAS, and the forms they take, and then one can UNDERSTAND why so many 'off the beaten path' bits of information are rejected with insufficient examination.


List of cognitive biases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

"A cognitive bias is a pattern of poor judgment, often triggered by a particular situation."

"Identifying "poor judgment," or more precisely, a "deviation in judgment," requires a standard for comparison, i.e. "good judgment". "

"Belief bias – an effect where someone's evaluation of the logical strength of an argument is biased by the believability of the conclusion."

This be a 'truth' I deliver. :)

HTH

- 58

[Vitalux]

I see the world as a planet containing approximately 7 Billion insane people.
http://www.black-and-right.com/wp-content/uploads/retard-baby-150x170.jpg

Paradoxically, each individual believes they are sane and know truth.

Therefore, even if I found truth, no one would listen.:rolleyes:
http://static.indianexpress.com/m-images/Tue%20Jun%2021%202011,%2012:28%20hrs/M_Id_220177_men_turning_a_deaf_ear.jpg

[58andfixed]

Therefore, even if I found truth, no one would listen.:rolleyes:

http://static.indianexpress.com/m-images/Tue%20Jun%2021%202011,%2012:28%20hrs/M_Id_220177_men_turning_a_deaf_ear.jpg


And how about:

"You can believe what you want to believe, and I will believe what I want to believe."

[and avoid the ugly process of examining each of our beliefs a bit deeper, and discern the degree to which both of us are BIASED in our beliefs.]

What a lovely bit of social engineering this ! :(

- 58

[Carmody]

The truth is as individually varied as there are numbers of people incarnate.

This is why the Buddhists teach one-on-one.

The truth is a singular serving, a singular fit. You are here on your own, you leave on your own, you find the truth on your own.

But you try to fit together harmoniously.

The idea of lessons required for an ethereal being of dimensional capacity and changeable reality. A being with capacity but no experience.

What kind of lessons would such a growing being need to learn? with regard to boundaries and behavior? What would they need to learn?

Look to the earth, and you will know.

Remember, the earth, in solid form (frozen lattice structures), is the 'odd man out'. 95% of the universe exists in plasma states. Plasma is a 'quantum to quantum' fluid mix that is dimensionally responsive.

In your real form, you exist in an ocean of energy, a multidimensionality ......of energy. You are energy. A 'form' of patterned energy flow, that is learning how to integrate with others and to hold, form, and be inclusive of other energy. As a multi-dimensional, you can occupy multiple dimensional points of egress at one time. Most importantly to work with but not disturb others. To learn boundaries in a place where none exist. Of course, one has to learn all of these things. A place is needed for learning of these things, the facing of and dealing with some form of 'knowing', of 'consequence'--and depth from such exposure, something that holds, that stays with one, that forges the individual...

You are learning multiple forms of discernment in a very harsh school of hard knocks. One you basically agreed to be here -for. You are learning powerful lessons that stick, for you come in as an amnesiac. You don't bring all of your energy in with you, that's why there is a 'higher self'.

Sometimes beings get lost on their way home. (after 'dying') I've collected some, the odd time, here and there, and helped them get back home.

The earth is considered to be the harshest and most worthy school --- in the known universe.

Hiram (moderator) and I had this discussion once, about this subject. He said, well here I am in the toughest human city, so,"Hey", he says..like the song.. "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere", was very true. Kinda funky when you think about it. But there are degrees of learning, each life is different. I myself recall the last two I had.

I cannot tell you these things, you need to experience them, yourself. It is a matter of choice, will and/or desire to do so. It's all up to you.

[mahalall]

http://mostbeautifulflower.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Beauty-Marigold-Flower-1-300x294.jpg

[jcocks]

It's an interesting point to consider -- to what extent is reality your own construct, and to what extent is ours a shared reality? Does that extend to our history - ie would someone else experience / learn a different history of the world more in line with the lessons they're here to learn?

[ViralSpiral]

Great thread

The question could also be: What would you do, if you weren't afraid? ;)


I'd join Jake on the rooftops!!

[christian]

The Nazarene had it, didn't he? Sharing with people, when they allow it, with regards to the capacity of their systems, not overloading them, demonstrating the applications of the knowledge and using analogies.

Buddha made an agreement with other guys, before he became englightened, that he who would attain enlightenment first, would share the method with the others. That's what he did, his environment was somewhat more appreciative, it seems in hindsight.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I reckon...

All of us here know some of the truth, and in time ... some of us here will know all of the truth!

viking

[transiten]

According to the channelings of RA, this dimension is not for understanding, meaning we cannot have the whole truth and if we had we would already be ascended masters. And we couldn't carry it without going insane. This is the dimension of opposites and paradoxes, visibly seen in this thread. It's not either truth or not, it's both and that's difficult for us to accept, we want the total solution...and just guess how dangerous that might be, especially if we trust someone elses total solution and go with that. That's not the purpose of our incarnation here, the big lesson is love, hopefully with som wisdom too.

[Billy]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

I respond with, What is Science Fiction.?

In my truth, if you can imagine it, it can be :peace:

That's why no one (human) can or will imagine the whole 'Truth'... :)

I agree not one Human can imagine the whole truth, Taking this a step further I also believe that our brothers and sisters belonging to other universal civilizations also cannot imagine or know the whole truth as each civiliazion retains their own truth and history within their civilization. We have witnessed over and over again, here on Avalon through channeled messages and peoples personal experiences through abductions or an experience like Agape has shared with us and others throughout the world that their truths differ to the extremes.

Each truth is a small part of the jigsaw, each peice of the jigsaw when put together forms a picture. The picture changes each day and no one knows the finished result. Maybe the picture can never be completed as the truth is infinate and has no end. Like a book in the process of being written the next chapter awaits the consciousness of the authors input, And we as humans and all the universal civiliazions are the authors.

With peace in mind and heart, Next chapter please. :peace:

[ktlight]

Truth would change you. To see truth, you have to undergo confrontation of self, recognise that thought is time and we are programmed to not even realise that we accept thought, which is not you. Take fear, for instance, it has to be faced without justification. When fear first arises, do not shift the thought to naming the reason for it, just face it square on and, by so doing, it will end forever.

So, in truth, we do not know what we will do. Truth will out, that's what I know and it is not something anyone can control.

[jcocks]

I reckon...

All of us here know some of the truth, and in time ... some of us here will know all of the truth!

viking

Not possible. The more we find out, the more questions there will be to ask...

The truth is like a TARDIS - it's bigger on the inside than the outside ;)

[Daft Ada]

An interesting question. Sorry Sid, I can't agree with you because what you advocate is pretty much what is going on at the moment and suggests you are of the same attitude as the PTW.
I believe that if any one of us found out what "8" refers to as the truth, and it is proven beyond any doubt, (Which is what I think 8 is implying) then it is my duty to tell everyone about it and I would use every means I can think of to get the information to everyone, whether they believe it is entirely up to them and they are free to find whatever proof they need. Also if the truth was so incredible that the PTW would be after me for releasing it, I would gladly give what's left of my life to get it to the people.
Good luck with showing people the truth then.
And you can't be given the holy grail, every soul must assemble their own.
The Op's question was "What would you do, if you found out the truth?" Not how would you get people to believe it, I would tell them, and as I said it's up to them whether they believe it or not. I am quite amazed at how the people on this forum read something other than what people actually say and how the threads end up going down a completely different path to that intended. Mostly as usual it's turned into some kind of spiritual debate, whereas it started as a simple question.

[Martin]

I probably would go to bed.


Martin

[Truthseeker85]

Truth to me is a journey. Learned experience. Trial and error. Sheep no longer :)

Peace

Jamie

Have a good weekend

[Tony]

Well, the first thing I'd do would be to explain it on a conspiracy site...........that would be best...........?

[ViralSpiral]

Well, the first thing I'd do would be to explain it on a conspiracy site...........that would be best...........?


http://www.debalancepw.info/forum/images/smilies/pwnull/pw_null_chuckle.gif


Good to have you back from your soul vacation!

[58andfixed]

Can anyone say with certainty that they 'bumped up' to a very large truth, and then had NOT slipped past because our mind was distracted by something else ?

How would we know we didn't know we missed a 'truth' by so little, and didn't pick up on it ?

Do we grab ahold of every truth made available to us ?

A few thoughts on 'truth' and 'truth' missed.

- 58

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Lovely thread.
Contemplating what is truth and then the possibility of sharing it. Seems to be different interpretations of "truth" however. First one is an objectified sense of what is happening "out there" in terms of the powers in 3D control of the planet, resources, media etc. The other truth is the inner, spiritual sense of being in alignment with source, so elegantly described by Carmody in his post. I, for one, seek to reconcile these two ideas of truth into one. Appreciation to all of you who have contributed to my understanding!

[Carmody]

Well, the first thing I'd do would be to explain it on a conspiracy site...........that would be best...........?


http://www.debalancepw.info/forum/images/smilies/pwnull/pw_null_chuckle.gif


Good to have you back from your soul vacation!

Yes, silence is good.

That one must enter the door of infinite communication/connectivity/consciousness.. in total silence.

The universe is not without a sense of humour.

[toothpick]

After searchng and learning so much information over the years, i do believe I would just deflate like a balloon and expire, claiming a long wanted sleep.
What would i do after i found out the truth and expired?
I would leave everyone a "Will of Sorts".
First, I would leave you the refreshing slap across the face, when you first wake up.
I leave you the warm feeling of belonging to a group of enlightened, like minded people.
I leave you the feeling of monumental strength, when you lift the elite slavers boot off your throat.
I leave you the feeling of justice when you see those to blame for everyones historical ignorance, prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I leave you the look on the elite slavers face as we forgive them all, and then move on.
I leave you the satisfaction of breaking out of an old paradym and into a new one.
Finally I would leave you all the overwhelming power of free will.

toothpick

[meeradas]

I would have to "STFU" for good.
Nice thought.

[DNA]

truth cannot be heard, it must be experianced individually. Even then it will be a different journey than mine. I may step on a thorn along the way when the next person might stub their toe on a rock.


I agree with this too... there is no such thing as one truth, each persons perception is slightly different. I am reminded of thinking about when flowers first appeared on the planet, if you didn't witness that first flower would you have believed it to exist? and yet it did/does

I try to walk my truth and with time I believe that we will reach critical mass and everyone will resonate with thier own truths (hoping they are similar to mine :p )


The truth is as individually varied as there are numbers of people incarnate.

This is why the Buddhists teach one-on-one.

The truth is a singular serving, a singular fit. You are here on your own, you leave on your own, you find the truth on your own.

But you try to fit together harmoniously.

The idea of lessons required for an ethereal being of dimensional capacity and changeable reality. A being with capacity but no experience.

What kind of lessons would such a growing being need to learn? with regard to boundaries and behavior? What would they need to learn?

Look to the earth, and you will know.

Remember, the earth, in solid form (frozen lattice structures), is the 'odd man out'. 95% of the universe exists in plasma states. Plasma is a 'quantum to quantum' fluid mix that is dimensionally responsive.

In your real form, you exist in an ocean of energy, a multidimensionality ......of energy. You are energy. A 'form' of patterned energy flow, that is learning how to integrate with others and to hold, form, and be inclusive of other energy. As a multi-dimensional, you can occupy multiple dimensional points of egress at one time. Most importantly to work with but not disturb others. To learn boundaries in a place where none exist. Of course, one has to learn all of these things. A place is needed for learning of these things, the facing of and dealing with some form of 'knowing', of 'consequence'--and depth from such exposure, something that holds, that stays with one, that forges the individual...

You are learning multiple forms of discernment in a very harsh school of hard knocks. One you basically agreed to be here -for. You are learning powerful lessons that stick, for you come in as an amnesiac. You don't bring all of your energy in with you, that's why there is a 'higher self'.

Sometimes beings get lost on their way home. (after 'dying') I've collected some, the odd time, here and there, and helped them get back home.

The earth is considered to be the harshest and most worthy school --- in the known universe.

Hiram (moderator) and I had this discussion once, about this subject. He said, well here I am in the toughest human city, so,"Hey", he says..like the song.. "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere", was very true. Kinda funky when you think about it. But there are degrees of learning, each life is different. I myself recall the last two I had.

I cannot tell you these things, you need to experience them, yourself. It is a matter of choice, will and/or desire to do so. It's all up to you.

I was going to spend some energy answering this question if some one else hadn't done it already.
But Carmody did a really good job as well anteluecem, pixiedust and Sid.

Yes the truth is not a one size fits all prescription, though if it were, and it was in the blue pill, most people would want to kill the person who gave it to them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgE8Lw5YaQ&feature=related

[Agape]

Truth can be sometimes strikingly obvious yet being hidden from our eyes . It's just few hundred years when Gallileo Galilei and Giordano Bruno were condemned by the 'all knowing god's church' for preaching heresy when they observed that Earth revolves around the Sun, not Sun and Stars around the Earth,
remember ? How powerful the illusion can be ?

2000 years back politicians and priests crucified man for preaching that god is love .

It's just few centuries back that Christof Columbus thought he arrived at the banks of India ..because he was the first of his time ..

When electricity was 'discovered' and demonstrated at Royal court in 17-18th century it was thought to be work of magic .

It's just 50 years ago when 'computer' was the thing that filled all room.


The time is accelerating when we're nearing the centre of what ( all ) truth is .


There's no doubt about 'Knowing' = Truth in the Universe being so vast ..that no single being can contain it , neither a group of them . We are all meant to be discoverers of the reality surrounding us , endowed with potential to research this reality by all means and the chief of them is our own mind and what we call intelligence .

The sparkle of divinity that is in tune with everything living . That can speak to the Stars as it can feel for little ant on the ground , and see a purpose .


But there is no constitutional proof in knowledge of one or few men of their times not having immediate proof in hands being 'only their truth'.

If it was so ..the Sky could be still revolving around Earth and shovering us with pebbles ..why not , after all .



In real life ..that is where people know you some time, say years, where they can judge what type of personality you are, how deep you go with your claims usually ..I can't say people would 'disbelieve ' me .
The overall problem I had to face and still do , in essence is what I described on the 1st page as facts/truth existing out of their current 'noosphere' .

Truth not described in their books , they never heard anyone speaking about it , they don't know anyone who would be 'like that ' . There is no authority that would accept it and help them to accept it .

Take parenting ...

Most parents behave like total authority to a child. Yet, in many stages after baby is born and keeps growing, especially if it's their first child , they panic and are not sure if all is fine with how it looks, behaves, the way it's ailing and so on. They run to doctors with eyes wide opened to be reassured that all is ok.
And many times later in their life they all do gross mistakes, unknowingly, thinking they do their best .
If there is no authority to advice them . And that's called 'natural instinct ' in their best .
Natural instincts some 50 or 60 years ago , about rising children were totally different model than being taught now .

So in a case the people around me see an animal suffering they can take it to a vet. If they see human suffering they go to doctors , mostly . They had to learn fast and hard to do it in time ..

But when they encounter unknown event and unknown truth , and there is no authority to trust on that , they still trust me ..but the usual human reaction is something like closing their eyes and trying to do no harm .
They can't think on that of their own . It's out of what they think about everyday ..



Of course ..internet can be misguiding medium in many ways . The 'charms' about a thing or a person can be very well constructed . I dare to say there's nothing like meeting people face to face . To qualified observer it takes few minutes to find out what is the other about ..


I feel sometimes lots of anxiety in me about 'not being to make it '.


It's just so plain. Find truth, tell others, let them crucify you or at least, let you alone on the ground just because the truth is too complicated .


:behindsofa:

[Mad Hatter]

Simply from the perspective of everything being one eternal field of infinite conciousness...

What was the question?? :violin:

In the meantime since this particle of that process isn't ready to STFU I continue to enjoy the search for the illsuion some would call truth!! :p

[DNA]

I was listening to this song and thought I had the answer but then I got the munchies, ran out of smoke and I forgot it again. :drag:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDqDlRf8wxs&feature=mr_meh&list=PL1B6CE0347B17B297&lf=results_video&playnext=0

[Erich]

We wouldn't be able to do much with our very limited capabilities and the dis-information machine would chew you up pretty fast, even within this forum. Having said that, if the truth resonated and people who heard it or read it understood it without doubt, then you would only have to tell it. But I'm a fool and I often hope there will be a magic word that like a key unlocks my memory.

[Maia Gabrial]

It would be one hell of a burden to know the truth about everything. There will be people who will listen and others who won't believe anything I'd say. For the sake of those who do believe, I'd share what I knew. I'd tell it in books, make movies, hold seminars.... AND if I managed to live through any attempts on my life, I'd write more books, make more videos and do more seminars....

[Ernie Nemeth]

Problem with the truth is: once you know it you've only just begun.

Then you have to live it!

[starsha]

Hi guys...


If you somehow somewhere found out the truth about everything.
How would one present this truth ??

One could speculate this might not be the real truth, let's just say it's the truth !
Critics are normal, and in this world, well, lets just say the odds are "not" swinging in your favor.

It's not so easy, is it ??

I suppose one of us would start explaining all for us here on Avalon, if we found out the truth.
But i bet, even here it would be a tough sale.

How would you sell the truth if it fell in your lapp ??

I would probably share about it openly with anyone who seemed genuinely interested. Though i would recognize that even the most interested listeners would only hear what i am saying through their own filters of interpretation. Maybe a few would clearly hear what i am saying, but most people are only listening to their own ideas about what i am saying. And most likely if i knew the whole truth i would probably be too content to worry about whether other people 'got it' or not anyway. :)

[Vitalux]

What would you do, if you found out the truth

After a few days of consideration to this question.

If you knew the truth, you better keep your mouth shut......Otherwise many people would want to murder you.:fencing:

After all ....most people that have tried to tell ......the truth....have been killed.

People can't handle the truth, and they don't generally want to hear the truth.

http://markyoungtrainingsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mob.bmp

[NeverMind]

If by "present" it, you mean words, you do not present it. Ever.
Even if semantics were not in the way - which it is, at all times - it would take someone who knows that truth already to recognise it, in the first place.

You LIVE it. That's the only thing you can and you should do.
And I am not talking rhetoric here, believe me.

Also, it does not fall in your lap. It is always there, everywhere, but you have to have your eyes - among other things - open enough to, first, see it, second, accept it.
That's it.

Then you live it. Those who have matured enough to perceive it, can benefit from your living example.
Those who have not won't even see it.

[Mulder]

I'd fly down to the UN HQ in New York in a spaceship announcing to the world I'm a prophet. Then I'd announce cures for AIDS, CANCER, etc to the world on TV shows. Then I'd spend my life travelling the world & helping to end wars. I just hope my ego won't inflate.

[My post is a parody, showing how people with the truth can make themselves out to be Holy Ones, by hiding the truth from all others, then pretending to be from another planet - the evidence is the high technology. Honestly if I had the truth I feel I'd die alone & in poverty as no-one would want to hear it from me].

[Rocky1]

Although I already know everything about everything, I am willing to accept that opinions might differ. Since the question is a philosphical one I will respond philosophically.

The obvious question becomes "What is truth". Truthfully it is all a matter of perspective and perception. For example I might see the sky on a clear day as blue. A colorblind person might see it as grey. A blind person would not see it at all. Which of us is correct?

If we are discussing ETs, I guess I find it arrogant to believe we are the only intelligent beings in the universe (although in recent times I am questioning our intelligence). There are too many reports of sightings, abductions, conspiracy theories about "agreements" with the ET's amongst high political figures, etc. They cannot all be weather balloons or psychotic people. One of the issues is that we have all seen the Twilight Zone "To Serve Man". It creates an environment of fear. Fear of the unknown has always been one of mankind's greatest fears. Of course if ETs are able to get here, the odds are they have the ability to inflict serious damage. Perhaps they live by the Star Trek prime directive of non-interference and are merely observing.

If there is a divine being, a God, then "truth" is what he intends it to be. Otherwise,truth is a matter of perception. Just ask the jury in the first O.J. Simpson trial; the jury that awarded a fortune teller $1,000,000 for losing her psychic abilities; the jury that awarded $1,000,000 or thereabouts because the McDonald's coffee was too hot; everyone that files income tax returns!

The "truth" is that most of us want to make it through another day in good health and with the least amount of stress possible.

[anklebiter]

Try and find a way to make money on it. Might as well, most others would too....

[Jake]

Well, the first thing I'd do would be to explain it on a conspiracy site...........that would be best...........?


Damn good thing we are waaaaaaaayyyy more than a conspiracy site.......... WAY more. Perhaps I would go to CBS or FOX or MSNBC.... or maybe,,,, yeah,,, I got it... I could go to the churches,,, YEAH! Thats it. Lets all go to the government with what we find. no,,, i just figured it out... I WILL GO TO SCIENCE,,, thats it. hmmm... It seems a site like Avalon will be the best start.

[Guest]

if somebody found the Truth or it found them and they conveyed it to another person im sure someone would create a lie (distort the Truth just a bit) out of it and then everyone would believe the Lie.....

the Truth is within each one of us

Nora

we are all related

[truthseekerdan]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

I respond with, What is Science Fiction.?

In my truth, if you can imagine it, it can be :peace:

That's why no one (human) can or will imagine the whole 'Truth'... :)

I agree not one Human can imagine the whole truth, Taking this a step further I also believe that our brothers and sisters belonging to other universal civilizations also cannot imagine or know the whole truth as each civiliazion retains their own truth and history within their civilization. We have witnessed over and over again, here on Avalon through channeled messages and peoples personal experiences through abductions or an experience like Agape has shared with us and others throughout the world that their truths differ to the extremes.

Each truth is a small part of the jigsaw, each peice of the jigsaw when put together forms a picture. The picture changes each day and no one knows the finished result. Maybe the picture can never be completed as the truth is infinate and has no end. Like a book in the process of being written the next chapter awaits the consciousness of the authors input, And we as humans and all the universal civiliazions are the authors.

With peace in mind and heart, Next chapter please. :peace:

This is the "next chapter", billy...

eoIBnDRoNsU

[timk89098]

i would try as hard as possible to get in contact with some of the most upstanding and influential people around today, and start by diplomatically and logically explaining it - so as to keep my credibility and trust levels high

[spiritguide]

The truth is not material, truth transends and all else is illusion... it is more of a vibration/warmth easily recognized if you seek it.
:peace:

[Mark]

I'd continue doing what I'm doing but better. The truth is within each of us, we know it when we're born. Why do you think the first things babies do when they come out is cry?

Remembering the truth would lead me to dispelling with the unnecessary detritus, leave regrets behind, allow worries to remain unborn in some potential future timeline, as I would be living totally in the Now, making the most of every moment.

Since I aspire to Bodhisattva, I would gently assist all those whom through synchronicity came into my sphere, always and as law allowing them free will and their own path to determine and follow, preferably without them having any idea I was assisting and without every broaching a spiritual topic directly. And then, at the moment of my death, I would choose not to die, instead casting off my body like a star, turning into a ball of light and ascending into the heavens, past all universes, densities and dimensions, returning for a bit to Source, my materially incarnative chores done, to then prepare for whatever comes on the next turn of the spiritual evolutionary spiral.

[Lord Sidious]

Why do you think the first things babies do when they come out is cry?

Well, it isn't that hard to figure out.
They rip you out of the best hotel you will ever stay in.
They cut off your food supply.
Then they smack your arse and you didn't even do anything!

[Mark]

Well, it isn't that hard to figure out.
They rip you out of the best hotel you will ever stay in.
They cut off your food supply.
Then they smack your arse and you didn't even do anything!

LOL Preach! :pray:

[DNA]

I've often thought Bill Hicks was assassinated. I mean the guy died of cancer, but all it takes is a syringe full of cancer injected in the right spot and bam you have cancer. If they can give it to lab rats and monkeys in order to experiment on them, I'm pretty sure they can give it to a human.

Bill Hicks tried to tell people the truth in the only manner that won't result in your immediate death.
He told the truth along side a good penis joke. :)




"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."
Oscar Wilde (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Oscar_Wilde/)
Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

What would you do, if you found out the truth

After a few days of consideration to this question.

If you knew the truth, you better keep your mouth shut......Otherwise many people would want to murder you.:fencing:

After all ....most people that have tried to tell ......the truth....have been killed.

People can't handle the truth, and they don't generally want to hear the truth.




Indeed.
No money to be made by the oligarchs if everyone suddenly awakened to the truth of who they really are and realised that bowing to a moneygod is not profitable to the spirit of the human be-ing.
Said the banker to the priest :- "You keep them dumb, I will keep them poor". (ad lib here, can´t find the original quote)


The part that I have contention with, gary, is where you say "People can't handle the truth, and they don't generally want to hear the truth."
Says who? Which people? And why do you think this is so?

What I would like to know is (from the original thought of the thread ,"What would you do, if you found out the truth. "), what is truth?
Is there one truth?

[NeverMind]

What I would like to know is (from the original thought of the thread ,"What would you do, if you found out the truth. "), what is truth?
Is there one truth?

Yes and no.
Like your question, this answer is no rhetoric, even if it sounds like it.

But some questions are worth more than answers. :)

[Star1111]

Firstly <8> It would depend what the 'truth' pertained to. You say everything so I'll work on that premise then.

I would make sure I have concrete evindence of the truth so that there was no doubt that it was THE truth.
Then like Lord Sidious I would drip feed the information.
I would do it carefully and wisely and be confident that the recipients would do good with it.
I would then store all the information in a safe place so that if anything should 'happen' to me it could be exposed fully and with full effect!

All the truth I need I have, that LOVE and the elimination of fear is the way.
Peace and LOVE to you

[Billy]

I will respond with a question here: What about if the Truth is stranger than science fiction?

I respond with, What is Science Fiction.?

In my truth, if you can imagine it, it can be :peace:

That's why no one (human) can or will imagine the whole 'Truth'... :)

I agree not one Human can imagine the whole truth, Taking this a step further I also believe that our brothers and sisters belonging to other universal civilizations also cannot imagine or know the whole truth as each civiliazion retains their own truth and history within their civilization. We have witnessed over and over again, here on Avalon through channeled messages and peoples personal experiences through abductions or an experience like Agape has shared with us and others throughout the world that their truths differ to the extremes.

Each truth is a small part of the jigsaw, each peice of the jigsaw when put together forms a picture. The picture changes each day and no one knows the finished result. Maybe the picture can never be completed as the truth is infinate and has no end. Like a book in the process of being written the next chapter awaits the consciousness of the authors input, And we as humans and all the universal civiliazions are the authors.

With peace in mind and heart, Next chapter please. :peace:

This is the "next chapter", billy...

eoIBnDRoNsU

I do like David, Some beautiful comments in this thread :thumb: , May your truths have no limits, Bless you all. :whoo:

[58andfixed]

Would they be both be interested in paying the politician to keep the people distracted & divided ?

Is this why Plutocrats hide behind curtains, and only wish to pull strings ?

- 58



Said the banker to the priest :- "You keep them dumb, I will keep them poor".

[Agape]

It's so interesting to hear how all in this thread at least know what we mean and the difficulty with handling ones basic right to truth these days .

What I'm afraid about since times back is that 'truth' as commodity has devaluated. There were times when 'word of truth' meant something . Giving you word for something was question of honor .
If others found even once that you have deceived them , it meant loss . 'Adult' or 'Elder' signified man who is true to his words , acts and promises. True men of wisdom were those who were true to their minds as well .


Now what is the moral credit of THIS society about ? Business companies , media companies, all the system is based on competition and cunning ways how 'to get the other' .
Marketing skills stand on this principle and most of the conventional system seems to be based on some kind of marketing.

Word of businessman these days is something like ...poker game. Which is not only about what they do at work , I have friends who fell to this arena big way and they are not reliable people anymore . Maybe they never been, I can't judge.

There is so much being spoken with so little value . But why ..Because the truth and trust between people has gone.
It's so tiring. You report something and people keep going around it and doubt every thread of your coat . Why.
Because there are about hundred hoaxers and sci-fi writers and cracks somewhere in bushes ready to jump on stage and testify 'to their mamas life ' it happened to them ?


People understand 'hard core' proof would mean physical artifact, in simple lay terms of course. Hard core proof can be anything from communication signal, frequency, ray of light or another measurable factor .

But do these people posses anything close to 'hard core logic' , vow to speak truth in small and big ways alike ?



:angel:

[kconvy]

I'd make a movie! Look at the twilight series.. Or Harry potter! They took off and have thousands of people day dreaming that these creations were their reality!! And as someone else said... Hoodies, mousepads, coffee cups! Make it go viral.. Always aim at the teens, they are so impressionable!
But on the other hand, if the truth wasn't as magical as a sparkly romantic vampires I might just stick it in my pocket ;)

[Red Skywalker]

i would try as hard as possible to get in contact with some of the most upstanding and influential people around today, and start by diplomatically and logically explaining it - so as to keep my credibility and trust levels high

Forget it.
They will understand TOO well , make it their own idea and get all the credits, nobelprizes, etc. and YOU will be the loser.
Second, your knowledge will be used against you, mind-controlled and weaponized.

That's why I still shut up and just drop some pearls here on Avalon to help activating the remembering of the cosmic Truth which everybody already knows inside.

For the rest I write it down for my own memory. (just making art)

But by knowing the Truth, I also know that soon everybody will learn (thus remembers) the Truth.
So why trying to educate?

I only have to OBSERVE in silence.

Red Skywalker