NATO and the Beginning of WORLD WAR 3

[Vitalux]

I had a very interesting conversation today around a table with some University Students from Trent University in Canada.

Most of the people around the table all had various degrees of the sciences.
The part that struck me most profound was they all were in agreement that the world was already engaged in World War 3.

I am wondering if others in Avalon also share this same awareness?

In this case, it is the USA that is viewed around the world as the fascist empire that is out of control and trying for world domination.
It's government, corrupt and out of control sold out the country a very long time ago to huge multinational corporate interests.
Those same corporate interests took over and created a military -industrial complex that now is expanding to dominate the planet.

Could their be any hope of the people stopping this world war?

http://www.worldwideinfoforum.com/_Media/war-criminal-wanted_med.jpeg

Or

Should we all just sit in a circle, and vibrate to a higher frequency while the world around us goes to hell?

http://www.brussellstribunal.org/images/War.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Hi Gary
Hmmmmmmmm, the choices we have.......

So its either:

http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/bad-serenity-prayer.jpg?w=374&h=275


or



http://mommylife.net/archives/2010/03/23/serenity%20prayer-1.jpg



Whilst we may not have a "grasp" of the bigger game-plan, we can affect change. Vibrating to a higher frequency may sound innocuous, but is sure beats the hell outta complacency.


xx

[161803398]

The people here know this. But I was just reading a political blog elsewhere where the main concern was gay marriage; abortion; and health care. I have a friend from Iran who tells me for all the years of my life the rest of the world, including Asia and South America have been in communication with each other regarding the terrorism visited upon them by the United States. They don't hate the people of the United States because they know the people are lied to and believe the propaganda they are fed. But, to the rest of the World America (and England) are the terrorists and it has been this way for decades. Imagine you were a parent of a child deformed in Iraq by depleted uranium and you heard that there exist people in America whose biggest concern is gay marriage and a return to family values. Makes you want to puke, I think.

Personally, I think the people of Avalon could do some good by joining the discussion in such blogs.

[Lord Sidious]

The people here know this. But I was just reading a political blog elsewhere where the main concern was gay marriage; abortion; and health care. I have a friend from Iran who tells me for all the years of my life the rest of the world, including Asia and South America have been in communication with each other regarding the terrorism visited upon them by the United States. They don't hate the people of the United States because they know the people are lied to and believe the propaganda they are fed. But, to the rest of the World America (and England) are the terrorists and it has been this way for decades. Imagine you were a parent of a child deformed in Iraq by depleted uranium and you heard that there exist people in America whose biggest concern is gay marriage and a return to family values. Makes you want to puke, I think.

Personally, I think the people of Avalon could do some good by joining the discussion in such blogs.

Decades?
More like centuries.
The so called British government was shipping drugs into China years ago to destroy their society.
Google this The Opium Wars.
I spit on them, every last one of them.
But I don't judge them.

[161803398]

Yeah, I know its centuries for the British.

[Corncrake]

Sorry to go off topic but thanks Lord Sidious for the pointer to the Opium Wars. This is a part of British history I am not familiar with and it has been an eye opener!

[Lord Sidious]

Sorry to go off topic but thanks Lord Sidious for the pointer to the Opium Wars. This is a part of British history I am not familiar with and it has been an eye opener!

You're welcome nugget.
Oh, and they didn't stop trafficking either, they still do it.
Remember, they have troops in Afghanistan guarding the poppies.

[spiritguide]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

[Lord Sidious]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

Voting is what gets us in trouble every time.
Using the cause of the problem as medicine seems to be self defeating to me.

[loveandgratitude]

A PICTURE SAYS 1000 WORDS

Poppy Cultivation flourishes under the watchful eyes of the Crusaders and their lackeys in Afghanistan.

US/NATO invading terrorists Patrolling Opium Poppy Fields in Helmand province

Please note, that the poppy cultivation under the Islamic Emirate had come to a standstill, but under the American invaders Afghanistan has become the world's leading supplier of opium, managing to produce almost 90 percent of global supply.

http://www.earthweek.com/2010/ew100521/ew100521h.jpg

https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/USopium6.png

http://ihatehate.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/afghanpoppies372.jpg?w=450

[ktlight]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

Voting is what gets us in trouble every time.
Using the cause of the problem as medicine seems to be self defeating to me.

If people do not vote, that will not effect a change in the running of the government? They would just jack up the numbers. There is no count for "I do not wish to vote(rs)". What does the voter do to change that system?

Also, I read somewhere (or heard) that 9/11 was the beginning of WWIII.

[Lord Sidious]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

Voting is what gets us in trouble every time.
Using the cause of the problem as medicine seems to be self defeating to me.

If people do not vote, that will not effect a change in the running of the government? They would just jack up the numbers. There is no count for "I do not wish to vote(rs)". What does the voter do to change that system?

Also, I read somewhere (or heard) that 9/11 was the beginning of WWIII.

If not one voter went to the polls, what could they do?

[ktlight]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

Voting is what gets us in trouble every time.
Using the cause of the problem as medicine seems to be self defeating to me.

If people do not vote, that will not effect a change in the running of the government? They would just jack up the numbers. There is no count for "I do not wish to vote(rs)". What does the voter do to change that system?

Also, I read somewhere (or heard) that 9/11 was the beginning of WWIII.

If not one voter went to the polls, what could they do?

Would they not deny the fact?

[scotusa]

The people here know this. But I was just reading a political blog elsewhere where the main concern was gay marriage; abortion; and health care. I have a friend from Iran who tells me for all the years of my life the rest of the world, including Asia and South America have been in communication with each other regarding the terrorism visited upon them by the United States. They don't hate the people of the United States because they know the people are lied to and believe the propaganda they are fed. But, to the rest of the World America (and England) are the terrorists and it has been this way for decades. Imagine you were a parent of a child deformed in Iraq by depleted uranium and you heard that there exist people in America whose biggest concern is gay marriage and a return to family values. Makes you want to puke, I think.

Personally, I think the people of Avalon could do some good by joining the discussion in such blogs.

Decades?
More like centuries.
The so called British government was shipping drugs into China years ago to destroy their society.
Google this The Opium Wars.
I spit on them, every last one of them.
But I don't judge them.

Be very careful "LORD" Sidiious who you spit on. We all know who is controlling these "Governments", don't we? The term British should be abolished us Celts (Welsh, Scots and Irish) would be only too glad to see the back of those Angles and Saxons. Arise Celtia! The true Britons (Welsh) were muscled over to the mid west of England by these invading thugs. A similar plight befell the indigenous peoples of North America.
Anyone who uses the term "LORD" should be considered as an agent of those who wish to keep the status quo intact. A title I spit on. Please don't use the religious cop out route.

[Lord Sidious]

Would they not deny the fact?

They could, but wouldn't everyone know?



Be very careful "LORD" Sidiious who you spit on. We all know who is controlling these "Governments", don't we? The term British should be abolished us Celts (Welsh, Scots and Irish) would be only too glad to see the back of those Angles and Saxons. Arise Celtia! The true Britons (Welsh) were muscled over to the mid west of England by these invading thugs. A similar plight befell the indigenous peoples of North America.
Anyone who uses the term "LORD" should be considered as an agent of those who wish to keep the status quo intact. A title I spit on. Please don't use the religious cop out route.

Before you put your smart alec hat on, you could have asked for me to clarify who the British are, couldn't you?
I can safely guess that you aren't one of those that I refer to as British.
So, next time you wanna be a smart alec, make sure you know what you are being a smart alec about.

[777]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHO

Voting is what gets us in trouble every time.
Using the cause of the problem as medicine seems to be self defeating to me.

If people do not vote, that will not effect a change in the running of the government? They would just jack up the numbers. There is no count for "I do not wish to vote(rs)". What does the voter do to change that system?

Also, I read somewhere (or heard) that 9/11 was the beginning of WWIII.

If not one voter went to the polls, what could they do?

Would they not deny the fact?

When we vote, we vote for the same team.......just wearing three different colours (here in the uk). The colour of corruptions t-shirt does not negate the corruption, merely puts in a mechanism with which each colour can blame the predecessors' policies.

IMO denial would not be possible to perpetuate. If no-one turns up to see a footy game the club goes bump and stops playing. If they then made up the score no-one would care anyway and the club would still go bump. Nothing can survive without supporting energy directed at it.

[THIRDEYE]

im sure that it is a possibility that we may be on our way to ww3....how do you define ww3 in terms of war itself,meaning nuclear biological or all super powers invovlved...this brings me to my next point ....the goverment has ruined the economy and job prospects for the young 18 years old and older....theres not alot of good prospects for the young to gain profitable employment...so whats left is the military...i think the ptb and the western cabal created this to feed the military industrial complex...where else can they go....most young poeple i know are opting for the military with out knowing the the full picture...as we as avolonians have got a glimpse of whats transpiring....and most young people are not aware of the to light and love....most young people are geared to propaganda machine..and boy does the military have propaganda.....i pray all the young and military lie down there weapons and come home....just food for thought...love light and abundance...thirdeye...

[JoshuaM]

im sure that it is a possibility that we may be on our way to ww3....how do you define ww3 in terms of war itself,meaning nuclear biological or all super powers invovlved...this brings me to my next point ....the goverment has ruined the economy and job prospects for the young 18 years old and older....theres not alot of good prospects for the young to gain profitable employment...so whats left is the military...i think the ptb and the western cabal created this to feed the military industrial complex...where else can they go....most young poeple i know are opting for the military with out knowing the the full picture...as we as avolonians have got a glimpse of whats transpiring....and most young people are not aware of the to light and love....most young people are geared to propaganda machine..and boy does the military have propaganda.....i pray all the young and military lie down there weapons and come home....just food for thought...love light and abundance...thirdeye...
I believe WW3 started September 11th 2001.

[Jennsky]

Yes, I believe when historians look back upon this time as history, the Sept 11 WTC attacks will be the beginning of what became the road to WWIII. NATO will be viewed as another Hitler terrorizing the rest of the world, using a massive military to take, kill and destroy at will, anything/anyone who gets in their way of world domination. As I understand Turkey is moving ships to the 12 mile boundary of Israeli waters. Egyptians have attacked the Israeli embassy, closing it. With the bombing of a natural gas pipeline from Egypt to Israel earlier this year (Mubarek was selling very cheap) Israel has an energy crisis. With the USA economy in peril, many see it as the time to move against Israel. Let us not forget that Irag & Afghanistan, where our military resides, are on both sides of Iran. Things could get very ugly VERY FAST.


(http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/19/turkey-cyprus-idUSL5E7KJ11H20110919)

[Jennsky]

Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:16am EDT - REUTERS

* Cyprus says Turkey's threat "unacceptable"
* EU calls on both sides to show restraint

UPDATE 2-Turkey: navy may escort exploration ships off Cyprus
* Tensions in Eastern Med follows Turkey-Israel row (Adds Cyprus spokesman's quotes, analysts, background)
By Tulay Karadeniz

ANKARA, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Turkey threatened on Monday to give naval escorts to Turkish exploration vessels off Cyprus unless the Greek Cypriot government halted plans for a U.S. oil company to start drilling for natural gas.

* Turk navy could escort exploration ships off Cyprus
4:19am EDT
* Turkey to freeze EU ties if Cyprus gets EU presidency
Sun, Sep 18 2011
* UPDATE 2-Turkey says Cyprus oil drilling plans are "provocation"
Sat, Sep 17 2011
* UPDATE 1-Turkey warns over Cyprus oil drilling plans
Thu, Sep 15 2011
* Turkey says can send warships to east Mediterranean any time
Thu, Sep 15 2011

[Andrew]

Would they not deny the fact?

They could, but wouldn't everyone know?



Be very careful "LORD" Sidiious who you spit on. We all know who is controlling these "Governments", don't we? The term British should be abolished us Celts (Welsh, Scots and Irish) would be only too glad to see the back of those Angles and Saxons. Arise Celtia! The true Britons (Welsh) were muscled over to the mid west of England by these invading thugs. A similar plight befell the indigenous peoples of North America.
Anyone who uses the term "LORD" should be considered as an agent of those who wish to keep the status quo intact. A title I spit on. Please don't use the religious cop out route.

Before you put your smart alec hat on, you could have asked for me to clarify who the British are, couldn't you?
I can safely guess that you aren't one of those that I refer to as British.
So, next time you wanna be a smart alec, make sure you know what you are being a smart alec about.

Who are the British rulers then? I would like you to clarify this for me/us if you be so kind a little history may you provide...

[Lord Sidious]

Would they not deny the fact?

They could, but wouldn't everyone know?



Be very careful "LORD" Sidiious who you spit on. We all know who is controlling these "Governments", don't we? The term British should be abolished us Celts (Welsh, Scots and Irish) would be only too glad to see the back of those Angles and Saxons. Arise Celtia! The true Britons (Welsh) were muscled over to the mid west of England by these invading thugs. A similar plight befell the indigenous peoples of North America.
Anyone who uses the term "LORD" should be considered as an agent of those who wish to keep the status quo intact. A title I spit on. Please don't use the religious cop out route.

Before you put your smart alec hat on, you could have asked for me to clarify who the British are, couldn't you?
I can safely guess that you aren't one of those that I refer to as British.
So, next time you wanna be a smart alec, make sure you know what you are being a smart alec about.

Who are the British rulers then? I would like you to clarify this for me/us if you be so kind a little history may you provide...

The British are those who you could call the moneyed classes.
They come from all ''races'' and are only loyal to each other, not anyone else.
They only care about power/profit.
These are the ones that we could call international parasites.

[ceetee9]

The people here know this. But I was just reading a political blog elsewhere where the main concern was gay marriage; abortion; and health care. I have a friend from Iran who tells me for all the years of my life the rest of the world, including Asia and South America have been in communication with each other regarding the terrorism visited upon them by the United States. They don't hate the people of the United States because they know the people are lied to and believe the propaganda they are fed. But, to the rest of the World America (and England) are the terrorists and it has been this way for decades. Imagine you were a parent of a child deformed in Iraq by depleted uranium and you heard that there exist people in America whose biggest concern is gay marriage and a return to family values. Makes you want to puke, I think.

Personally, I think the people of Avalon could do some good by joining the discussion in such blogs.
I have little doubt that our government is hated around the world, but if the top concerns of the people of this country are gay marriage, abortion and health care, we are doomed.

[Herbert]

To vote is to give your conscious permission for the corrupt system to continue. That is why they come back to the people regularly - to seek the power of your conscious intention. Low voter turn-out gets them worried since it would be virtually impossible to enforce mandatory voting. They feed off your consciousness so stop giving it away.
I have given this subject a lot of thought but perhaps I am off topic on this thread.

[ceetee9]

the people of the United States of America are waking up and there will be a change forthcoming in many areas...... right now at least 80% of the population disagree with the government and they are going to vote them out..... and do away with the two party system.....and the crooks within. IMHOI surely hope you are right spiritguide, but if the MSM is any indicator of the pulse of America then it would appear it's business as usual, the two party system is alive and well, and we'll likely just be swinging from the left to the right the next election.

[777]

To vote is to give your conscious permission for the corrupt system to continue. That is why they come back to the people regularly - to seek the power of your conscious intention. Low voter turn-out gets them worried since it would be virtually impossible to enforce mandatory voting. They feed off your consciousness so stop giving it away.
I have given this subject a lot of thought but perhaps I am off topic on this thread.

Not at all.......I think you've nailed it here Herbert!

When will people get the idea of nationality out of their heads? (Not an aimed criticism at anyone in particular). It's been a looooooooong time since the powers that rule us in the west think of us with national interests and actual population concerns. This is business! Global business where we have different laws, customs, religions and credes within out little governed boxes we mistakedly think of as our nationality . We are waaaaaaayyy past that now. All war waged by the west is in the interests of no nation specifically, only the few who rule them all.

[ceetee9]

To vote is to give your conscious permission for the corrupt system to continue. That is why they come back to the people regularly - to seek the power of your conscious intention. Low voter turn-out gets them worried since it would be virtually impossible to enforce mandatory voting. They feed off your consciousness so stop giving it away.
I have given this subject a lot of thought but perhaps I am off topic on this thread.Only about 38% of the eligible voters voted in the 2010 elections and around 57% in the 2008 elections (the largest turnout since 1968) so it would seem the PTB could care less how many people vote in their rigged elections. And since they control both parties (most likely, all parties) it really makes little difference if the public votes for a Democrat or Republican. I think what they're more scared of is if we vote for a candidate they can't control (or can't control as easily). Someone like Ron Paul. And I say that because the MSM has done an extremely good job of marginalizing Dr. Paul. They seldom mention his name (i.e., virtually ignores him) and when they do mention him, they try to discredit him, which tells me the PTB wants the voting public to think he hasn't a chance and to forget about him. When Dr. Paul all but tied Bachmann in the Republican Idaho straw poll, the MSM mentioned 1st place Bachmann and then jumped to 3rd place Pawlenty and they fell all over themselves with 6th place Rick Perry who was just a write-in at that time. Yep, they sure are grooming Perry for the job because he's a "team player." ;)

[Vitalux]

The solutions to try and fix the world problems are immense.
We tend to be facing a regime that appears to have a firm foothold in our economic history of centuries.
The wealthy top elite have a long history of enslaving humanity dating all the way back to antiquity.

The global elite control the mass Media, ie television, Hollywood movie production, new papers, radio.
My thoughts is until the media starts reporting more truths based on the facts we are kind of up the creek without a paddle.

After all, we only know what we are told, and if the fact and news that is being reported to us are false than our understanding of the world around us is also false.

I think the first step in the process if for most folks of the Northern Hemisphere of the world to become conscience that World War 3 has begun, and "We the people" did not start the war, nor do we want it.

After all, you can't fight a war if the soldiers refuse to battle, and the citizens protest with such a voice that it shakes all the foundations of the world.
Don't let your babies grow up to be soldiers.


Peace..http://www.peace-not-war.org/shop/images/s_pnw-1-cover.jpg

[GCS1103]

To vote is to give your conscious permission for the corrupt system to continue. That is why they come back to the people regularly - to seek the power of your conscious intention. Low voter turn-out gets them worried since it would be virtually impossible to enforce mandatory voting. They feed off your consciousness so stop giving it away.
I have given this subject a lot of thought but perhaps I am off topic on this thread.Only about 38% of the eligible voters voted in the 2010 elections and around 57% in the 2008 elections (the largest turnout since 1968) so it would seem the PTB could care less how many people vote in their rigged elections. And since they control both parties (most likely, all parties) it really makes little difference if the public votes for a Democrat or Republican. I think what they're more scared of is if we vote for a candidate they can't control (or can't control as easily). Someone like Ron Paul. And I say that because the MSM has done an extremely good job of marginalizing Dr. Paul. They seldom mention his name (i.e., virtually ignores him) and when they do mention him, they try to discredit him, which tells me the PTB wants the voting public to think he hasn't a chance and to forget about him. When Dr. Paul all but tied Bachmann in the Republican Idaho straw poll, the MSM mentioned 1st place Bachmann and then jumped to 3rd place Pawlenty and they fell all over themselves with 6th place Rick Perry who was just a write-in at that time. Yep, they sure are grooming Perry for the job because he's a "team player." ;)

You are absolutely right- they are grooming Perry for the job. He will do what he is told, just like Obama did. The "Republican" party and the "Democratic" party titles are just an illusion for the voters. The real powers have no political allegiance to either one of them.

[RedeZra]

the political pirate power behind the City of London and Washington D.C. are hellbent to rule the whole world either through consent or conquest

they are playing the world like a game of risk or chess and this has escalated into the endgame


no sacrifice is too big to win this match



"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations) - James Paul Warburg

[Vitalux]

My thoughts about the elections is that recent history has tended to prove that elections are fixed.

There was ample proof that George Bush never was elected, but that it was rigged. I am sure most reviewing that history can safely put to rest any idea that a real democratic election process exists in America.
The politicians are just a corrupt as the system.
The whole voting system is to give the "illusion" that the mass population is in charge.
My friend the tail wags the dog in America and elsewhere.

So lets put to rest the myth that voting or lack of voting will change anything.

The only thing that would cause a breakdown in the corrupt system is when all the people refuse to get sucked in anymore.

Historically, it happens when the people go on strike or revolt and crusade in such a manor that they eliminate the elite by removing their heads.
Unfortunately, civil war is not much of an option, due to the military-industrial complex.
They would rather genocide the world rather than give up the plantation and slaves.

http://johnfenzel.typepad.com/john_fenzels_blog/images/2007/05/28/darfur.jpg

[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by Herbert (here)
To vote is to give your conscious permission for the corrupt system to continue. That is why they come back to the people regularly - to seek the power of your conscious intention. Low voter turn-out gets them worried since it would be virtually impossible to enforce mandatory voting. They feed off your consciousness so stop giving it away.
I have given this subject a lot of thought but perhaps I am off topic on this thread.
Not at all.......I think you've nailed it here Herbert!

When will people get the idea of nationality out of their heads? (Not an aimed criticism at anyone in particular). It's been a looooooooong time since the powers that rule us in the west think of us with national interests and actual population concerns. This is business! Global business where we have different laws, customs, religions and credes within out little governed boxes we mistakedly think of as our nationality . We are waaaaaaayyy past that now. All war waged by the west is in the interests of no nation specifically, only the few who rule them all.

Your comment about "this is business" really stood out for me. Forgive me if it seems like this is off topic, but I gotta say it.....If we all didn't like the way our jobs were run, we'd simply quit and look for something else, right? Now, the US being a corporation, is being run pretty badly. It's an awful business run by awful bosses....So, why don't we all just quit this corrupt corporation? Look at all this corporation has done to its "employees": Lie, deceive and betray. Violate contracts and agreements. Make unjust laws. Steal "company" money. Steal employees' lands and businesses. Steal possessions through "confiscation". Steal lives through murder as a way to silence complaints. Using law enforcers and military to antagonize, intimidate and squelch protests against the corporation; even using these actions as excuses for "national security". Walk on or disregard sovereignties. Practice unfairness in business. Benefitting financially from their time in "public service". Disregard "employees'" grievances....
The list goes on.... Would ANYONE want to keep working for a company like that? US Inc. is such a company....

[TWINCANS]

Sorry to go off topic but thanks Lord Sidious for the pointer to the Opium Wars. This is a part of British history I am not familiar with and it has been an eye opener!


You didn't think Sherlock Holmes was breaking the law then did you? Back then opium dens were frequented by many sons of the landed set.

[Nairnia]

Arise Celtia! The true Britons (Welsh) were muscled over to the mid west of England by these invading thugs. A similar plight befell the indigenous peoples of North America.

Are those the very same Celts who invaded Caledonia and wiped out the indignous Picts?
Seems you need to brush up on your Scottish history, pots and kettles perhaps? :D

[scotusa]

Fair enough but I would have thought due diligence on your part would be to explain to the 98% who don't know, beforehand. OK who are your version of the "British"?
By the way, don't call me Alec.

[Lord Sidious]

Fair enough but I would have thought due diligence on your part would be to explain to the 98% who don't know, beforehand. OK who are your version of the "British"?
By the way, don't call me Alec.

I have explained that before.
As I said, you aren't British.

[mosquito]

scotusa - FYI, Scotland is on the island of Great Britain so Scots are British !
You may not identify with the UK government, as indeed I don't, but denying your Britishness doesn't achieve anything. And before we start blaming everything on the "bloody English", I also ought to point out that the Scots guards certainly, and probably other Scots regiments as well, had NO PROBLEM at all in going over to Northern Ireland to stick the boot into their fellow Celts. Are Scottish soldiers refusing to go to Afghanistan ? Libya ? I doubt it. None of us is blameless, English, Scots, whatever.
Another facet of British history that the BBC & co. don't like talking about and which the majority of people remain ignorant of to this day, is that Britain invented the concentration camp. Things were going less than brilliantly in the Boer war so it was decided to round up and imprison the Boers' families - women and children mostly. Needless to say, tens of thousands died.

I think there is little doubt that WW3 is under way, but most people aren't aware of it. The discussions going on over at the "world government" thread also tie in with this topic - how exactly do we change our world ? Voting clearly does no good, but what's the answer ? I have absolutely no idea but, as another member said, I actually feel incredibly positive at the moment. Life is strange ..... ;)

[161803398]

I think it can be taken for granted that when people are talking about the "Americans" or the "British" doing this or that; they in no way mean the common people of those countries who are usually and, as well, trodden on and enslaved by their own governments. So there is no point feeling insulted. I have an indigenous Canadian friend who always makes it clear: "I don't hate white people; I hate white government". Its the same thing here.

[Carmody]

Sorry to go off topic but thanks Lord Sidious for the pointer to the Opium Wars. This is a part of British history I am not familiar with and it has been an eye opener!

You're welcome nugget.
Oh, and they didn't stop trafficking either, they still do it.
Remember, they have troops in Afghanistan guarding the poppies.

What was the increase in the poppy fields, as soon as the Brits and the US arrived in Afghanistan? Something like a 900% increase in Opium Poppy fields?

They hold their power in Afghanistan through the usual methods they have used down through the centuries.

Via secret societies and secret associations: Corruption, threats intimidation, murder, control of banking and commerce channels, drugs, prostitution, control of politics through these channels, control of media, religion, and civil offices.

Over the period of a decade or so, with no interference.. no more than a few hundred people are needed to run Afghanistan. While they are setting it up, they need to be in full occupation. They have to Kill their way into power, over time. Decimation of all potential opposition -and any memory of it.

Recall that the Freemasons brought their system to Afghanistan and opened up a branch there.... as soon as they landed.

The reason it is taking so long, the reason there is a need, in their minds -to remain so long, in force....is their competition ... is organized.

[Lost Soul]

Someone on Youtube annonced that Obama was going to Denver and that the nation was going into DEFCON 1 (war). If this is true, I wonder if it's the recognition of Palestine by the UN?

BTW, I think the war started with 9/11. It gave Bush the excuse to go into Afghanistan and then drag us into Iraq. Where were the protestors when Mocha Hay-Suess took us into a quasi-war with Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya?

[161803398]

Knowledge trickles UP not down. This guy has it right although I think there isn't one of us who doesn't know or, at least, suspect what he has to say already. We, the obscure, have been much maligned by association with our respective governments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0F7aK7b_jsE0F7aK7b_js

[161803398]

You're welcome nugget.
Oh, and they didn't stop trafficking either, they still do it.
Remember, they have troops in Afghanistan guarding the poppies.

After I heard John Lear say, in an interview, that 80 percent of the world economy depended on the sale of illegal drugs, I phoned up a middle eastern friend and asked what he thought. He said John Lear was exaggerating and it was only 70 percent.

[jcocks]

Fair enough but I would have thought due diligence on your part would be to explain to the 98% who don't know, beforehand. OK who are your version of the "British"?
By the way, don't call me Alec.

I have explained that before.
As I said, you aren't British.

And, scotusa, I'd take that as a compliment if I were you! ;)

[mosquito]

I think it can be taken for granted that when people are talking about the "Americans" or the "British" doing this or that; they in no way mean the common people of those countries who are usually and, as well, trodden on and enslaved by their own governments. So there is no point feeling insulted. I have an indigenous Canadian friend who always makes it clear: "I don't hate white people; I hate white government". Its the same thing here.

100% agree ! I still identify strongly with the land I come from, and with a lot of the people, Scots/English/Welsh, but not the government. I consider myself to be in permanent exile - there's no way I'm paying tax to the UK government.

This is turning into a good intelligent discussion, I only hope the thread doesn't just die a slow death that so many good threads do, leaving the asinine to rule the day.

[161803398]

It was hard to know what was going on in Libya when it started on the heels of Egypt. It was a good time to get the "rebels" going in Libya.

[sygh]

161803398,

Yes, we are in WWIII. I believe it kicked off with Desert Storm. I think it's time to implode this farce.

And megacorpos think it's alright, they think they are doing fine; that's what gets me. These people in the IMF, the WTO, and the WB, along with these huge heat island businesses are megalomaniacs. If Walmart had any business ethics left, wouldn't they be getting away from the big box? Wouldn't they be investing in infrastructure? Wouldn't they be doing everything they could to promote alternative energy sources? Well, they don't. It's all tolken. It's all about winning over that demographic. Did you know Walmart has actually opened up dollar type stores in plazas in the U.S., in an effort to get that business segment too? It's like the friggin' company store, ya just can't get away from these guys.

I converse on the vine (MSNBC) sometimes.

[Lord Sidious]

Sorry to go off topic but thanks Lord Sidious for the pointer to the Opium Wars. This is a part of British history I am not familiar with and it has been an eye opener!

You're welcome nugget.
Oh, and they didn't stop trafficking either, they still do it.
Remember, they have troops in Afghanistan guarding the poppies.

What was the increase in the poppy fields, as soon as the Brits and the US arrived in Afghanistan? Something like a 900% increase in Opium Poppy fields?

They hold their power in Afghanistan through the usual methods they have used down through the centuries.

Via secret societies and secret associations: Corruption, threats intimidation, murder, control of banking and commerce channels, drugs, prostitution, control of politics through these channels, control of media, religion, and civil offices.

Over the period of a decade or so, with no interference.. no more than a few hundred people are needed to run Afghanistan. While they are setting it up, they need to be in full occupation. They have to Kill their way into power, over time. Decimation of all potential opposition -and any memory of it.

Recall that the Freemasons brought their system to Afghanistan and opened up a branch there.... as soon as they landed.

The reason it is taking so long, the reason there is a need, in their minds -to remain so long, in force....is their competition ... is organized.

That is why voting isn't an option.
If you vote for organised crime, doesn't that make you an accessory before, during and after the fact?
No thanks.


Someone on Youtube annonced that Obama was going to Denver and that the nation was going into DEFCON 1 (war). If this is true, I wonder if it's the recognition of Palestine by the UN?

There looks like a high chance of war over this, yes.
I predicted August/September earlier this year and it looks like I was very close.
I would give my lifesblood to be wrong.

[161803398]

And megacorpos think it's alright, they think they are doing fine; that's what gets me. These people in the IMF, the WTO, and the WB, along with these huge heat island businesses are megalomaniacs. If Walmart had any business ethics left, wouldn't they be getting away from the big box? Wouldn't they be investing in infrastructure? Wouldn't they be doing everything they could to promote alternative energy sources? Well, they don't. It's all tolken. It's all about winning over that demographic. Did you know Walmart has actually opened up dollar type stores in plazas, in an effort to get that business segment too? It's like the company store.

I have a friend who always says if the powers that be wanted to help; they would. Money seems to have a stupifying effect. They fully conscious are truly evil; the rest of the them probably believe they are humanitarians or some such jazz. I've seen this many times. Money is the most powerful hallocinogen that exists.

[Lord Sidious]

And megacorpos think it's alright, they think they are doing fine; that's what gets me. These people in the IMF, the WTO, and the WB, along with these huge heat island businesses are megalomaniacs. If Walmart had any business ethics left, wouldn't they be getting away from the big box? Wouldn't they be investing in infrastructure? Wouldn't they be doing everything they could to promote alternative energy sources? Well, they don't. It's all tolken. It's all about winning over that demographic. Did you know Walmart has actually opened up dollar type stores in plazas, in an effort to get that business segment too? It's like the company store.

I have a friend who always says if the powers that be wanted to help; they would. Money seems to have a stupifying effect. They fully conscious are truly evil; the rest of the them probably believe they are humanitarians or some such jazz. I've seen this many times. Money is the most powerful hallocinogen that exists.

I disagree, power is.
Money is merely a tool used by the powerful.

[jcocks]

Actually, as I've said before, I believe that WW2 never really ended. But we never knew who the real enemy was in ww2, so how were we to know it never ended?

And now the war is mostly fought with hidden weapons..... If you connected all the dots it would become more obvious what was actually happening and who the real enemy is. But so few people connect all the dots.

[Vitalux]

I have a friend who always says if the powers that be wanted to help; they would. Money seems to have a stupifying effect. They fully conscious are truly evil; the rest of the them probably believe they are humanitarians or some such jazz. I've seen this many times. Money is the most powerful hallocinogen that exists.

I found that in order to understand the current way the world is operated, I had to go back and study the past old systems.
Much to my surprise, not much has changed.
Oh the technology has improved, some of the corporations have played a bit of musical chairs, but the enslavement of humanity is still just as evident by the global masters.

To understand where America is heading, just view what is happening in the poor third world nations.

When the global masters get done destroying the USA, which once revolted from the global masters, there will be a reckoning to be served up.

It amazes me that the folks in England bend down and kiss the Queens butt and worship her like a deity.
Take a good long look at the history of the folks in England and the UK. If you notice the common person has always wallowed in poverty while the empire was rich and robbing the rest of the planet.
However, they are blind to see it.

It is still like that even in USA and Canada. In Canada we produce all our own gas and oil. We pay about $1.30 per litre or about $6 a gallon.
In Libya and Saudi Arabia they pay about 45 cents a gallon!

They convince us that we are in sooo much debt that we must work harder for less....what a joke

[161803398]

I disagree, power is.
Money is merely a tool used by the powerful.

Yes, for the most powerful, who know what they are doing. But they need lackeys. And these they intoxicate with money; usually giving them a nice spin on it.

[Nairnia]

[QUOTE=gary-arsenault;312822]

It amazes me that the folks in England bend down and kiss the Queens butt and worship her like a deity.

Nope, not true. IMO the majority dont care much about the monarchy but are quite happy to tolerate them

Take a good long look at the history of the folks in England and the UK.

The UK is not seperate from England, England is part of the United Kingdom.