Going into the light

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, anyone here who has read my posts knows that I have a lot of distrust about government activities, media manipulation, and the average person who is not in the "know" for whatever reason is being herded into a path that the ptb want us to go.

I view programs and movies from a standpoint of not just being entertained, but I watch for clues as to what either may be coming or a clue of what's going on in a more subtle level.

David Icke and a few others have talked about our world being sort of a prison plant under quarantine or non-seen entities keeping souls held within a matrix as David calls it to feed off of that soul and have them reincarnate again and again. David goes so far as to say that we should NOT go into the light. Peggy Kane of reverse speech "fame" if you want to call it that also says similar things about souls being tricked into the light.

Sensitives and others are drawn into watching occult oriented shows. Ghost Whisperer has been a fairly popular show, and the main goal of the lead actress in it is to help ghosts cross over and go into the light.

I know it sounds weird, but is there possibly some truth to NOT going into the light? I mean we are told to not have much sodium, that flouride is good for us, that tobacco is bad for us (despite truth that shows tobacco actually has some benefits and risks), fed MSG, Aspertame, and now they want our supplements. So, what is your leaning when it comes to crossing into a new phase of being. Could we be played upon the shock of death to want to cross into some bliss like place that in reality is just a trap? I'm honestly torn on it, and as I said a believer that we are manipulated, and what better way than some feel good show all about the beauty of helping a soul find peace and to go into the light. If it is a lie to go into the light, then watching such shows would have a powerful effect on our thinking.

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts and experiences. I have died and come back. Death does not scare me, but I don't recall any heavenly experiences. I was young when it happened. I've even tried to be regressed, but was not able to be hypnotized. I'd love to find someone capable of hypnotizing me. I bring this up because I am interested in media manipulation, NDE info, and other sources to concider regarding this issue.

[ktlight]

In one of NDEs, I was definitely surrounded by light, couldn't see any forms in it but there was without doubt a conversation.

[Unified Serenity]

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[Star1111]

Unified Serenity
I don't think I can help really as 1) I haven't really read/listened to David Icke much and 2) I kind of follow my own path and take what others say as their opinions only, NO-ONE really knows for sure do they - that's my view anyway.
I of course absolutely respect people's views and will listen .....................and then assess for myself. I listen to ME/my Soul/my Higher Self.
On that basis I would say that YOU have to do what feels right for YOU when and if the time comes to "go into the light".
YOU will know and feel whether it is the right thing to do

[RedeZra]

this light is pure consciousness

when we are born and when we die

we meet the light again

it is pure consciousness


it is too pure for most of us and we will seek to escape it

the bright light is God

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Unified Serenity
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25605-Escaping-from-the-Matrix
hope some of this helps
regards
roman

[Lefty Dave]

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I think this must have fallen off page 1 fast. I really would like some input here, but if no one really is interested then I guess I'll drop it.

Greetings Unified Serenity

Have also wondered if, by not going into the light, we end the cycle of reincarnation, and return to the Universal wholeness...
Have made trips to Casadega for spiritual healing and hypnotic regression...all to no avail...as I also could not be hypnotized by them...

So many questions...so many different answers...it is exhausting ... I still gravitate back to original WingMakers' saga..and the first chapters of their philosophies ...
but who really knows what is truth...until we get there !

Blessings

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Unified Serenity,

I've never "died" and come back, I'll say that right off. But I have had many mystical experiences such as OBEs and "contact" with other "advanced" beings.

I was going to relate my earliest and most profound one. But as I began writing it out I realized I could not even begin to describe it. No, such things are very personal in that their meaning is open to debate to everyone but the experiencer. I can only tell you that after being engulfed in a light that gave me the feeling of perfect peace and love I was given the answers to all my questions. I remember absolutely refusing to leave and go back to my earthly existence. And I am a very stubborn man. So the light or whatever, not being able to violate my "free will" used another tactic. It transported me to a "realm", "place", "dimension" and I found myself in the center of about five or six beings. Two of them introduced themselves as my ancestors, male and female. The other three I would later be told were my "angels" or "gaurdians". My "ancestors" told me their story and where I fit in. That if I did not return, thousands of years of "work" would be lost. But the way they described it was that I was the last in a long line and that my time on earth was of paramount importance. Once they finished their explanation each of the other beings came forth, one at a time and told me parts of their story as it pertained to me. They basically said that they would guide me surely and unerringly along my path, that it wouldn't be easy, that I might get lost, that there was a chance it could go wrong but that they had great faith in my ability to see it through.
So, understanding the weight of responsibility placed upon me, and still very reluctantly, I agreed to go back.
I awoke in the back seat of a car, with my girlfriend shaking me and a terrified look on her face. My good friend and his girlfriend were looking back from the front seat. Later, they said they thought I had died. No I assured them, I had not, I'd just been on a very unusual trip. I already was forgetting most of this and by the time we arrived at the party I was myself again with virtually no recall of my experience.
Later in life parts of this dream or whatever would surface until today I can piece most of it back together again.
So, in my opinion, should we suspect going toward the light? YES! Didn't see that coming, eh?
But here's the caveat. Don't go anywhere unless it feels right. And go towards the LOVE and TRUTH. You'll know what those are, trust me.
Peace

[Mare]

Hi,

I've been reading up on different accounts of the afterlife from N.D.E's to transcriptions of seances etc. for many years and consider much of it to be contradictory. Quite by chance I stumbled on a site dedicated to the work of the direct voice medium Leslie Flint who allowed departed spirits to speak through his voicebox. Many of the sessions were recorded and can still be heard today by clicking on the links, though the the sound quality of many is primitive to say the least. In these instances transcriptions of the sessions can be read instead and are really fascinating. Below I will add a link to a few chosen ones that I find particularly interesting.

In these sessions it is worth noting how the spirits each describe an afterlife plain which is remarkably similar to that of earth but without any of its negativity. There is no judgement, no master and everyone works for the common good. Initially colours, creeds and religions may segregate themselves from others, but the sprits say that through experience this too drops away and is usually confined to those recently passed over. I was gobsmacked to read that the spirits of those who had been very religious on earth found it the most difficult to adjust to the utopia of the afterlife where religion does not exist. Many of the spirits in fact condemn earthly religion as nothing more than a tool for control which surprised me the most.

With experience the soul moves on to structures and plains that have nothing in common with anything known on earth at all. Intersting eh? Anyway have a read and make your own mind up. You may think it's all a load of baloney!!


http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_pritchett1.html Alf Pritchett describes his death on the battlefield in WW1 and how he didn't even realise he was dead!

http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_chinese.html Chinese man who would not reveal his name but thought to be Confuscious. Describes the different levels of consciousness.

http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_briggs.html George Briggs was a devoutly religious man when on earth and has his beliefs challenged.

http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_wilmot1.html George Wilmott the rag-and-bone man who is met by his old horse in the afterlife.

http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_wilson.html Victorian woman who died in childbirth.

I hope you find them of some interest.

[toothpick]

What I have read about it says, there is actually two versions of going to the light I read about,.
The first one whatever you do don,t go into the light , because it is a trap, it is supposed to be a soul catcher for some neferious elite slaver group.
The other one says go to the light for sure, if you can make it to the light you will be given the choice of moving on up or staying here and reincarnating into something that will stay behind here on earth and help novice souls on their journey to the light.

toothpick

[Anno]

[...]I know it sounds weird, but is there possibly some truth to NOT going into the light?[...]

I think it was Swerdlow that said it's a con and at the point of death the entities eat our souls. The light being some kind of collection device that we're being programmed to go in to at the point of death. Icke mentions him a few times so he may be one of the sources.

The New Age teaches that Love and Light as the highest ideal, including the idea of mediums on tv 'guiding the spirits back to the light'. Then you have the Crystal/Indigo children so called because they emit a specific frequency of light that is 'what we need at this time'. They being the 'ones who come to lead us in to the new age'.

All very wonderful and nice. So how come then...

Lucifer is the Lord of Light and he's evil. The Illuminati are those 'with' the light they're evil, too. Surely they should be the most amazing force on Earth as they're so full of The Light.

Doesn't make any sense, does it?

You can make a link from Luciferians to Theosophy to The New Age and the people and spirits held in regard by many of those within the New Age. Perhaps in those connections you might find the answer to your question and also why this topic comes up all the time on various forums and always sinks like a stone when it does. =]

[nimmer]

Interesting to see this topic... I thought about this a lot after I came across the idea. It could be a trap, or perhaps TPB want you to think it's a trap. I guess it depends on how paranoid you want to be about it. My main goal is to be conscious enough at that time to discern the difference. I think meditation, altered states, astral travel, etc, all have their place in preparing us for that eventuality.

I honestly don't know what my consciousness will be like after death, so it is quite difficult to speculate how I may react. I can say "I will use my best judgement and avoid the light if necessary", but to my dead self that may seem ridiculous. I think "the light" is just another attempt to put into human terms something that is indescribable. It is hard to give advice on something that is hardly understood except by those that have experienced it, and even then, that is their experience, not yours or mine. The only thing I can say for sure, as others have stated, is to follow your intuition.

[Mark]

in my understanding there are a number of different aspects to this:

1) the light represents the "false ascension matrix" of karma, reincarnation, energy recycling.

2) the "false ascension matrix" consists of the 3rd density plane and the lower and higher aspects of 4th density, which are controlled by service-to-self entities who have usurped the position of creator-God in order to continue to control the fate of the "fallen" group-soul comprised of our individual souls.

3) the energy of this higher 4th density region, when we experience it here in 3rd density, feels like love, no matter the orientation of the entity that is communicating from that level. Therefore, a service-to-self entity coming from higher 4D emits love just like a service-to-other entity might. Lower 4D entities, such as the demonic, obviously emit the type of energy that relates to their frequency range and orientation.

4) the difference between the service-to-self entities and service-to-others entities is that the STS entities always want you to worship them, to abdicate your power, to fill your body with their light. Through so doing, we feed them, as they are energetic vampires and this includes traditional religions and especially the love and light aspect of the new age movement as well. STO entities, by contrast, are bound by the dictate of free will. They can only help when asked directly, and they never interfere in our free will decisions, ever. STS entities trick us into giving them our free will choices usually by "small-print" entrapment. Or, you never really know the full extent of what you are agreeing to, or, you agreed to it before you were of age to even know what you were really doing (ego-wise).

So, the light that we see after death with our friends and family and ancestors and all that is accurate because generally speaking those members of our soul-group did indeed enter the light and by so doing re-enter the false ascension matrix that we are all entrapped within. Carlos Casteneda's Don Juan Matus called this matrix "The Eagle", from which none escape except those Sorcerers who petition the eagle through the gaining of power necessary to retain consciousness past death and skirting the Eagle, entering into that unknown space beyond. There are all kinds of discussions and recountings about the traditional religions and how they fit into this. Who Jehovah really is, reptilians both 3D and 4D, greys, yadayadayada and ad infinitum. Take what resonates, and leave the rest.

[Unified Serenity]

Excellent posts from you all, thanks. I am not worried, but examining the story lines we hear so much of in the media, and yet when you look at the "media" agendas, they seem to sprinkle some truth with lies, and only the discerning will catch on to the "truth" of what they are doing. So, I am looking forward to other's views, and hope to hear more of your experiences and thoughts. Thanks

[Fred Steeves]

Hi United Serenity, interesting thread. To tell you the truth, I haven't really given it that much thought recently. I've so learned(the hard way of course) to trust my intuition in such matters that it just doesn't seem that big of a deal. I really like a comment by David icke that seems to sum it up: " Death is no cure for ignorance ". What we choose to do here and now over the course of our lives means EVERYTHING at a later time of choosing. I think we tend to put WAY too much emphasis on other things besides our work and our mission presently. Bottom line for me is I guess, if we follow our inner guidance best we can here, the rest will take care of itself.

As far as the going into the light thing per say, I have no personal experience to add to that. But, there have been a few times in my life, before I ever even began to become spiritually aware, that I was in situations where I was certain I was about to breathe my last breath. In each case it was abundantly clear that there was absolutely nothing to fear, and things were exactly as they should be...

That's all I know presently anyway, to trust in the overall order of things, do the very best I can, and leave the rest to the four winds. That probably doesn'y shed much light on the matter for anyone, but that's all I got from this little corner of the world.:)

Cheers,
Fred

[RedeZra]

Lucifer is the Lord of Light and he's evil. The Illuminati are those 'with' the light they're evil, too. Surely they should be the most amazing force on Earth as they're so full of The Light.


Lucifer is just a finite being of spirit who can appear as an angel of light

infinite light is pure consciousness


God is in complete control ; )

[Loveisall21]

As for myself when my time comes I'm going to where I feel the love is and if the love is coming from the light then that's where I'm going. As far as Stewart Swerdlow saying it's a con and entities eat our soul, wow, all because we went toward the light? That sounds pretty unfair, talk about the ultimate victimization. I don't buy that.

I know that David Icke was good friends with Juliet Nightingale who had a few NDE's. This lovely woman has since made her final transition. But her message was loud and clear was that there was nothing to fear in death. Here is one of a few interviews she did with David in which they touched on the topic of NDE's and other topics, good interview IMO.

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Here is where you can read her description of her own NDE
http://juliet.towardthelight.info/?page_id=936

I don't think there is anything nefarious going on with shows like Ghost Whisperer and the like. I think these shows are a reflection of the growing awareness that there is more than this five sense reality.

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[truth4me]

I've had a few OBE's and I never seen a light and as matter of fact, to me anyway, I was told to come back it wasn't time yet. Look we all on here talk about negative E.T's <greys etc;> evil actions of people. I think creator source<god if you wished to call it that> has control on where you go next. After creator source and yourself do a soul review you decide if you worthy of graduation to a higher plane or need more time for soul growth. I read that John Lear soul catcher stuff and I'm not buying it. Lear stated the soul catcher stuff in one article and in another he stated you go down a tunnel when you die and the light at the end was heaven. Is Lear a disinfo guy? I believe he is knowingly or unknowingly. David Icke has great work on his site yet I don't believe everything he says is right. What do TPTB get when awaken people die? Time that's what. If you die and come back you come back as a baby and it will take at least 20 years to reach the level of awakening when you left.....that's my 2 cents worth anyway.

[Anno]

[...]Lucifer is just a finite being of spirit who can appear as an angel of light[...]


If Spirit is infinite, how can any being of spirit be finite?

Saying he just appears as an angel of light doesn't match up with all of the descriptions/legends. Why is his name based on the word for Light? He's called the Lord of Light. The Light Bringer. Light appears to be a full time occupation for this being, not an 'every now and then' thing.

If there was an official spokesperson for Light then Lucifer would be it. So how come Light is good and Lucifer and his Illumined Ones are bad?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I heard someone say not long ago that we do not know what the light is. That we are actually in the dark and have never encountered light yet. I think it was Wade Frazier...
Don't want to put words in someone's mouth, especially his, since I hold him in the highest regard.
But I remember thinking that maybe what he means is that this is a controlled environment constructed by The Fallen One. If so, I can understand how the light of this world, of our reality, actually keeps us in the dark by design.
Just a thought

[Lord Sidious]

The other one says go to the light for sure, if you can make it to the light you will be given the choice of moving on up or staying here and reincarnating into something that will stay behind here on earth and help novice souls on their journey to the light.

toothpick

It appears that I am one of those volunteernuggets that are here for the latter.

[TraineeHuman]

The golden light, or any bright golden light, is safe -- as the Tibetan Book of the Dead also says, I believe. But the bright white light is a trap -- which you may not necessarily manage to resist, and hence you will be reborn.

[Hervé]

[...]
I've even tried to be regressed, but was not able to be hypnotized. I'd love to find someone capable of hypnotizing me. I bring this up because I am interested in media manipulation, NDE info, and other sources to concider regarding this issue.

Hypnosis/hypnotism has its fair share of traps and pitfalls starting with who one chooses as a practitioner.

This site and the research results provided through 2 free e-books may well answer both of your questions re: hypnotism and the "light?"

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./

* Edit *

Above site has gone off the net... sorry

Archived sute: http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

[Calz]

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./

Are you sure that is the correct address? I am not finding it (even removing the "." following "com").

[christian]

I'm open to any idea here, for I don't know for sure.

Anyways, I met this interesting young man the other day, Konstantin Kaysharov (www.theholywhisper.com), a healer from Macedonia, who was obviously very aware of the spirit realm, among other things he does exorzisms and he told me about his perspective, that sometimes the reason for a possesion is a soul of some departed, that for some reason failed to proceed by going to the light immediately and when it here on earth encounters a very pure soul, because of the brightness of it, it thinks this bright being is 'the light' and it sticks to it and causes problems.

[Hervé]

http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

Are you sure that is the correct address? I am not finding it (even removing the "." following "com").

Well, yes... that was the correct address... seems to have gone the way of the Dodo...

Anyway, doing a quick search for the 2 book titles, they can be found here:

http://freepdfebookstodownload.blogspot.com/2010/11/programming-of-planet.html

namely "The Programming of a Planet" and "The Eye of Ra" by Truman Cash as free PDfs.

[Hervé]

Seems the author, Truman cash, has gone off the net:




Re: Truman Cash
« Reply #1 on Jul 29, 2011, 4:59pm »
Jul 29, 2011, 3:49pm (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=general&thread=10552&post=314504), sunkist (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=sunkist) wrote:
Hello,


Does anybody know what happened with Truman Cash's web site? I downloaded and read both of his e-books last month and sent an e-mail, requesting Chapter 13. When I didn't get a response, I checked his web site and got a message saying the link appears to be broken. Last time I checked, it was still saying the same thing.


I hope I can still somehow get Chapter 13 to The Eye of Ra, as I'm having a lot of problems with ETs and really need to find out what's truly going on, by recovering memories.


Sunkist


I know that Truman Cash's website was down, and he is now very bussy and has no time to access the net. But I will ask for being able to post a thread on the chapter 13 of the Eye of Ra in here and other forums.


Will you tell what kind of problems are you having with the ETs?


Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=10552#ixzz1YZQnqAof (http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=10552#ixzz1YZQnqAof)


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Also found here (right click to download zip file):

http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip (http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip) Programming of a Planet

http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip (http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip) The Eye of Ra

Edit: Archived site: http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

[RedeZra]

[...]Lucifer is just a finite being of spirit who can appear as an angel of light[...]


If Spirit is infinite, how can any being of spirit be finite?

Saying he just appears as an angel of light doesn't match up with all of the descriptions/legends. Why is his name based on the word for Light? He's called the Lord of Light. The Light Bringer. Light appears to be a full time occupation for this being, not an 'every now and then' thing.

If there was an official spokesperson for Light then Lucifer would be it. So how come Light is good and Lucifer and his Illumined Ones are bad?

God the Great spirit is infinite

and the Source of finite spirits


spirits are also referred to as stars in the Bible

and Lucifer is a shining spirit


he became blinded by his brilliance and wanted worship as another Adonay

but Adonay Elyohim or Jesus Christ is the second person in the Trinity

so Lucifer fell like lightning from heaven


“I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!" - Luke 10:18


Lucifer has been with us for a long time and is the instigator of the Mystery Religion of ancient Babylon which is very active today in Kabbala and Freemasonry

these days many nations are unfortuantly governed by luciferians and today their main enemy the Roman Catholic Church or the Temple of Adonay as they call it has been successfully split and subverted from the top

luciferians have been behind the theory of evolution and the age of reason or enlightenment with it's gloryfication of the human intellect and at the same time ridiculed the so-called superstition of the Catholic Church

which is no superstition at all but actually very true ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Redezra, how does your post help this thread?
Other than massage your ego as you get to ''reveal'' the ''truth'' to the heretics?''

[RedeZra]

Redezra, how does your post help this thread?
Other than massage your ego as you get to ''reveal'' the ''truth'' to the heretics?''

there are several paths to God

but luciferianism is a path to a fallen son or finite spirit of God

and today we live under the yoke of these fallen spirit worshippers


you can pick another path you feel more comfortable with

but there are a lot of spiritual snares out there


so i'm just watching and warning ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Redezra, how does your post help this thread?
Other than massage your ego as you get to ''reveal'' the ''truth'' to the heretics?''

there are several paths to God

but luciferianism is a path to a fallen son or finite spirit of God

and today we live under the yoke of these fallen spirit worshippers


you can pick another path you feel more comfortable with

but there are a lot of spiritual snares out there


so i'm just watching and warning ; )

Bull****, you are taking yet another thread offtopic and onto YOUR topic.
Go start a thread on this and stop derailing threads with YOUR faith.
I am a heretic and quite happy to be one.
Thanks
Nugget.

[Unified Serenity]

I think part of the cunundrom is that if you believe in reincarnation, bad elites ptb, alien agendas, worldwide sinister plots of ptb and them even working with "bad aliens", unseen forces and powerful abilities some people have embraced and learned then how can you possibly trust that some loving omnipotent God is going to take care of you when you leave this flesh? What's to say that the trap isn't some sanctioned plan of higher intelligence and only the very enlightened can avoid the rinse wash repeat process? Do we somehow become super aware upon death and know the right thing to do cause it feels right? I do not trust feelings at all. Yes, I know there are gut instincts, intuition, a knowing, but how many well intentioned people have been fooled?

For the bible believers, the anti-christ or instead of christ is a near perfect immitation. (No, I am not wanting to debate theology, it's just that Lucifer has been brought up. Is he or other entities able to affect the next realm we enter upon death? Are their accounts from people about this issue? Some say Lucifer is a created myth giving power through constant chatter and fear of him, and in reality it's just aliens playing tricks. I'd love to know if there are some accounts of this and what they say to do for the best crossing. My parents both died recently. I spent quite a bit of time talking with my father as he slowly wasted away about focusing on staying in a loving energy, to not fear, and to know how much we love him. I believe in my gut that it's very important to not die in fear, remorse, negative energy. Some speak of a blue light that is from the center of the galaxy. As much astral travel as I do, I have yet to find that light. So, I guess in a nutshell, I am being doubtful that we become super aware and can't be fooled on the other side. I do believe in spiritual exercises to help one become more aware and prepared, but would like more feedback on this deception possiblity.

[Anno]

[...]luciferians have been behind the theory of evolution and the age of reason or enlightenment with it's gloryfication of the human intellect and at the same time ridiculed the so-called superstition of the Catholic Church which is no superstition at all but actually very true ; )

Consider this then:


"We are about to found a magazine of our own, Lucifer. Don’t allow yourself to be frightened: it is not the devil, into which the Catholics have falsified the name of the Morning Star, sacred to all the ancient world, of the ‘bringer of light,’ Phosphoros, as the Romans often called the Mother of God and Christ. And in St. John’s Revelation does it not say, ‘I, Jesus, the morning star’? I wish people would take this to mind, at least. It is possible that the rebellious angel was called Lucifer before his fall, but after his transformation he must not be called so...."

That's H.P. Blavatsky writing to her sister about the launch of Lucifer Magazine. LINK (http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/luciferreprints.htm)

Notice how she says he shouldn't be called that anymore? Blavatsky is called 'The Mother of the New Age'.

Blavatsky's pupil Alice Bailey would later go on to form The Lucis Trust. Are you familiar with the concept of the Seven Rays that you see in the New Age? That's from Alice Bailey. St Germaine is said to be one of the rays. How many among us claim to have channelled this spirit?

Blavatsky and Bailey (among the other 1800's Occultists noone ever mentions) are the ones that created The New Age. Jordan Maxwell (who changed his name to one found in one of Blavatsky's books to fit Theosophical Doctrine LINK (http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/)) is very open about how much he loves Blavatsky and her teachings. Have you ever noticed how many Whistleblowers mention how Jordan Maxwell helped them out and funded them? From Aaron McCollum to David Icke.

It was after Icke's time in America working with Maxwell and his company Truth Seeker Foundation that he became all about the Reptiles and Jews.



[...]Many people who come into our store or call us have inquired about your connection with David Icke, as both of you seem to be the first two researchers that come to mind when hidden mysteries or conspiracies are discussed.[...]

[...]Not long after this a young lady named Alice Ferguson called you and said she had come to the U.S. to start promoting a similar researcher from England named David Icke. As I understand it, this was the first time you, I and virtually anyone in the states had ever heard of him. Alice was hired as a secretary and her partner, David Griffith was also brought on board. You were the first person in the Truth Seeker organization that they had contact with and as a result it was you who brought them in. [...]

That's an email to Jordan Maxwell published on his website here: LINK (http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/endorsements.html) You'll need to scroll down a bit.

Why am I mentioning this? Because this is when David Icke ceased to be an independent writer talking soley about personal advancement and the meaning of life. Though it is not spoken of anymore (and he doesn't print the books) it was from channelled sources. Some of the spirits being the exact same 'Ascended Masters' channeled by Blavatsky herself and other Theosophists.

As for The Jews, Anti-Zionism is a massive part of the Theosophical Doctrine as are various forms of Racism, which is why Hitler was also a big fan of Blavatsky. What is the difference between the Nordics (invented by the Nazis as I showed in another thread), the Pleadians and the Herrenvolk? Nothing. Which is why they're always Blonde with Blue Eyes.

So as you can see there is a direct line of descent from 'The Spirits' to Blavatsky to Maxwell to Icke and even little Aaron and every one of us that's watched their videos or read their books.

As I'm sure many people know The Labour Party was created for the peons by The Fabian Society (whose symbol is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing). From the bottom up it looks the same but when you start to ask questions it ceases to make sense. The energy feeds in to the same place but the profane are kept in misunderstanding and have a distorted view of the imagery and meaning. As Icke loves to tell us, "Where attention goes, energy flows." Ever wondered why he constantly directs our attention to Reptiles and Rothschilds? By his own logic, is that not feeding them? "Oh but we hate them, it's not like we send love". Does he not say they feed on hate and are revulsed by love?

There is strong evidence to suggest that what we call The New Age was created for the same purposes as The Labour Party. Hence all the contradictions such as this one over The Light. When you give your energy and thoughts to "The Light", the evidence would suggest that you are giving it to Lucifer as that is who those who created it bend their knee to. In the 1800's and early 1900's this was all common knowledge, but our minds are kept on people who seem to have just 'arrived' at the information in the 80's/90's such as Jordan Maxwell.

Let me remind you what Blavatsky said again: "...the rebellious angel was called Lucifer before his fall, but after his transformation he must not be called so..."

=]

[zenith]

Just hold no beliefs, (click) your home.

Peace

[Calz]

Just hold no beliefs, (click) your home.

Peace

Hey I like that one :)


Please tell me that wasn't channeled from the Galactic Federation of Light Puba???

[Unified Serenity]

[...]luciferians have been behind the theory of evolution and the age of reason or enlightenment with it's gloryfication of the human intellect and at the same time ridiculed the so-called superstition of the Catholic Church which is no superstition at all but actually very true ; )

Consider this then:


"We are about to found a magazine of our own, Lucifer. Don’t allow yourself to be frightened: it is not the devil, into which the Catholics have falsified the name of the Morning Star, sacred to all the ancient world, of the ‘bringer of light,’ Phosphoros, as the Romans often called the Mother of God and Christ. And in St. John’s Revelation does it not say, ‘I, Jesus, the morning star’? I wish people would take this to mind, at least. It is possible that the rebellious angel was called Lucifer before his fall, but after his transformation he must not be called so...."

That's H.P. Blavatsky writing to her sister about the launch of Lucifer Magazine. LINK (http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/luciferreprints.htm)

Notice how she says he shouldn't be called that anymore? Blavatsky is called 'The Mother of the New Age'.

Blavatsky's pupil Alice Bailey would later go on to form The Lucis Trust. Are you familiar with the concept of the Seven Rays that you see in the New Age? That's from Alice Bailey. St Germaine is said to be one of the rays. How many among us claim to have channelled this spirit?

Blavatsky and Bailey (among the other 1800's Occultists noone ever mentions) are the ones that created The New Age. Jordan Maxwell (who changed his name to one found in one of Blavatsky's books to fit Theosophical Doctrine LINK (http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/)) is very open about how much he loves Blavatsky and her teachings. Have you ever noticed how many Whistleblowers mention how Jordan Maxwell helped them out and funded them? From Aaron McCollum to David Icke.

It was after Icke's time in America working with Maxwell and his company Truth Seeker Foundation that he became all about the Reptiles and Jews.



[...]Many people who come into our store or call us have inquired about your connection with David Icke, as both of you seem to be the first two researchers that come to mind when hidden mysteries or conspiracies are discussed.[...]

[...]Not long after this a young lady named Alice Ferguson called you and said she had come to the U.S. to start promoting a similar researcher from England named David Icke. As I understand it, this was the first time you, I and virtually anyone in the states had ever heard of him. Alice was hired as a secretary and her partner, David Griffith was also brought on board. You were the first person in the Truth Seeker organization that they had contact with and as a result it was you who brought them in. [...]

That's an email to Jordan Maxwell published on his website here: LINK (http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/endorsements.html) You'll need to scroll down a bit.

Why am I mentioning this? Because this is when David Icke ceased to be an independent writer talking soley about personal advancement and the meaning of life. Though it is not spoken of anymore (and he doesn't print the books) it was from channelled sources. Some of the spirits being the exact same 'Ascended Masters' channeled by Blavatsky herself and other Theosophists.

As for The Jews, Anti-Zionism is a massive part of the Theosophical Doctrine as are various forms of Racism, which is why Hitler was also a big fan of Blavatsky. What is the difference between the Nordics (invented by the Nazis as I showed in another thread), the Pleadians and the Herrenvolk? Nothing. Which is why they're always Blonde with Blue Eyes.

So as you can see there is a direct line of descent from 'The Spirits' to Blavatsky to Maxwell to Icke and even little Aaron and every one of us that's watched their videos or read their books.

As I'm sure many people know The Labour Party was created for the peons by The Fabian Society (whose symbol is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing). From the bottom up it looks the same but when you start to ask questions it ceases to make sense. The energy feeds in to the same place but the profane are kept in misunderstanding and have a distorted view of the imagery and meaning. As Icke loves to tell us, "Where attention goes, energy flows." Ever wondered why he constantly directs our attention to Reptiles and Rothschilds? By his own logic, is that not feeding them? "Oh but we hate them, it's not like we send love". Does he not say they feed on hate and are revulsed by love?

There is strong evidence to suggest that what we call The New Age was created for the same purposes as The Labour Party. Hence all the contradictions such as this one over The Light. When you give your energy and thoughts to "The Light", the evidence would suggest that you are giving it to Lucifer as that is who those who created it bend their knee to. In the 1800's and early 1900's this was all common knowledge, but our minds are kept on people who seem to have just 'arrived' at the information in the 80's/90's such as Jordan Maxwell.

Let me remind you what Blavatsky said again: "...the rebellious angel was called Lucifer before his fall, but after his transformation he must not be called so..."

=]

Excellent points Anno. I have never liked Blavasky, Fabian Society and I have always had issues with many who most people on this site seem to love. I won't go about listing my issues with them as I think it would just stir up a hornets nest and create a lot of turmoil. I keep an open mind though and do believe there is a lot of truth shared, but it's those little lies that bother me. That's where I am just wondering about going into the light or not. I love God and have a strong faith and am completely open to that ultimately those who walk a path of love don't need to worry about what happens on crossing.

[pilotsimone]

What if you make a conscious decision to wait when the light presents itself to you rather than walking into it? What if instead you intend/ask to know yourself fully? What if going into the light is appealing simply because you feel uncomfortable without a body (the light promising comfort)? What if you are the (unconscious) creator of this light? And if you could create this incredible light, what else might you be able to create?

All conditioning says go into the light...it feels good. Maybe it does, but maybe we have other choices.

Thank you for starting this thread. What an important and relevant consideration for us all!

[Herbert]

A healer I know very well also removes spirits that have attached to people and she sends lost souls to the light much like the ghost whisperer. She tells them to ask for a loved one and look directly into their eyes when they appear in the light. If the eyes change while you are staring at your loved one than that is the false light and you can ask again for the true loved one and light. The eyes are the key. I feel that anyone who has felt true unconditional love through their heart focus will have no trouble recognizing the true light simply because they have lived their life in light. That includes most Avaloners in my experience here.

[davyj0nes]

In the Tibetan book of the dead there is a passage that speaks about the 'light' you see after you die.
I visited this site. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas4.htm#Libros,Informes,Manuales)
And here is a link to Bardo Thodol. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/bardo_thodol01.htm#english1)

From the first period

Listen! You must not panic at the blue light; the clear, piercing, brilliant, frightening supreme wisdom clear light! Do not fear it! It is the light ray of the Transcendent Lord, the Reality Perfection wisdom, the oneness of th Infinite Potential. Feel attracted to it with faith and reverence! Make it answer to your prayer, thinking, "It is the light ray of compassion of Lord Vairochana - I must take refuge in it!" It is the way Lord Vairochana comes to escort you through the straits of the spiritual between. It is the light ray of the compassion of Vairochana. Do not be enticed by the soft white light of the gods. Do not be attached to it! Do not long for it! If you cling to it, you will wander into the realm of the gods, and you will continue to cycle through the seven realms of driven existence in the life cycle. It is an obstacle to merging into the Infinite oneness, the path of peace and harmony, so do not look upon it. Become devoted to the brilliant penetrating blue light, aim your intense willpower toward Vairochana, and repeat after me the following prayer:

[RedeZra]

There is strong evidence to suggest that what we call The New Age was created for the same purposes as The Labour Party. Hence all the contradictions such as this one over The Light. When you give your energy and thoughts to "The Light", the evidence would suggest that you are giving it to Lucifer as that is who those who created it bend their knee to. In the 1800's and early 1900's this was all common knowledge, but our minds are kept on people who seem to have just 'arrived' at the information in the 80's/90's such as Jordan Maxwell.

Let me remind you what Blavatsky said again: "...the rebellious angel was called Lucifer before his fall, but after his transformation he must not be called so..."

=]

Blavatsky believes that the rebellious angel is a light-bringer to Man

so there must have been a misunderstanding then in heaven

and the wrong guy got the blame and fell from grace


luckily for us this misunderstood fallen spirit is amongst humanity to teach truths and bring light to our intellects

we are most fortunate to be schooled by such a luminous but misunderstood figure of rebellion


Jesus in the Bible calls him 'the father of lies' so one of them are wrong


the good thing is that we are free to pick a side

and Blavatsky and the establishment have chosen the rebellious angel to guide them because he has powers and boons to bestow on those that worship him in public and in secret


Jesus just got crucified

so what can He do for us ?


well if you believe you have a soul then trust in Him just saved it

from the father of lies ; )

[Samsara]

This is a very interesting thread, much to ponder about. Thank you for it.

This is bringing many questions and there are no real answers. What if going into the light is a trap? What if not going into the light is the trap? If I choose the light, what if a bunch of soul eating beings are waiting for me on the other side, drooling on the exquisite meal I’ll be?!? What color of light should I choose?

There are many interesting viewpoints. Some speak in very convinced terms. But who knows, really? Those who have crossed over know… none of them lived to tell us about it.

Those who experienced a near death? Most of the experiences are similar, but some differ. I met a lady this last weekend that had one – she went into the light. She did not want to come back because it was sooooo good to be there. Her dad pushed her back... it was not her time. Are NDE the same as death (like really dead, no coming back)?

Why are there familiar faces coming to greet dying people. They always seem to be in a corner of the room. One lady I knew was seeing a squirrel!?! Deceit?

I guess I’ll have to cross the bridge when I get there. In the meantime, I will keep my trust in Love. Love has always guided me well. Love is all I need to find my way.

[Sidney]

This is a great thread, and recently while watching the tv show with the people telling of their near death experiences, and I have wondered why TPTB would allow something so great to be aired. I have wondered if they are trying to entice people to commit suicide with these tales of bliss?? Or perhaps, they are advertising their trap, but there was one guy who told his story of dying and going to hell, and then came back. There is so much deceit and disinfo out there that it is hard to know whats true or not, and discernment is really the only tool, and faith in ourselves to follow the right path when the time comes. Also if you google NDE on you tube there are plenty of stories, and they all pretty much have a positive experience to share. Trap or not????? At this time, I am on the fence.

[zenith]

Just hold no beliefs, (click) your home.

Hey I like that one :)

Please tell me that wasn't channeled from the Galactic Federation of Light Puba???
No Calz, it was a spontaneous one of my own.
Feel free to make of it what you will.


Peace

[Calz]

Just hold no beliefs, (click) your home.

Hey I like that one :)

Please tell me that wasn't channeled from the Galactic Federation of Light Puba???
No Calz, it was a spontaneous one of my own.
Feel free to make of it what you will.


Peace

I was totally joking (about being channeled ... not about me liking it).

Sorry if that was not clear :)

[Tony]

In the Tibetan book of the dead there is a passage that speaks about the 'light' you see after you die.
I visited this site. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_temas4.htm#Libros,Informes,Manuales)
And here is a link to Bardo Thodol. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/bardo_thodol01.htm#english1)

From the first period

Listen! You must not panic at the blue light; the clear, piercing, brilliant, frightening supreme wisdom clear light! Do not fear it! It is the light ray of the Transcendent Lord, the Reality Perfection wisdom, the oneness of th Infinite Potential. Feel attracted to it with faith and reverence! Make it answer to your prayer, thinking, "It is the light ray of compassion of Lord Vairochana - I must take refuge in it!" It is the way Lord Vairochana comes to escort you through the straits of the spiritual between. It is the light ray of the compassion of Vairochana. Do not be enticed by the soft white light of the gods. Do not be attached to it! Do not long for it! If you cling to it, you will wander into the realm of the gods, and you will continue to cycle through the seven realms of driven existence in the life cycle. It is an obstacle to merging into the Infinite oneness, the path of peace and harmony, so do not look upon it. Become devoted to the brilliant penetrating blue light, aim your intense willpower toward Vairochana, and repeat after me the following prayer:

I concur with this view. This is a big subject, from my understanding there are two sets of lights, one bright the other dull. The bright coloured light take you to the upper realms, the dull coloured lights take you to the lower realms (human realm is one of them).There are a whole series of events up to 49 days. I'll write a posting on this subject.

Tony

Tony

[Calz]

Hi Unified Serenity
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25605-Escaping-from-the-Matrix
hope some of this helps
regards
roman

Yes.

Anyone interested in the topic(s) here should go through Roman's thread. Lots of compelling posts there.

Cal

[Tony]

So-called death.

In a effort to blow peoples' minds into somewhere over the rainbow, I thought I'd describe briefly what happens after death, from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...it's quite colourful! I'm not trying to convert anyone - Buddhism is terrible. All that practice, loads of studying...and then you have to be nice to people...no, no, don't touch it! But if you do, don't give up, as it's terrible to the ego!

Facing death and beyond is really a psychological event for most of us. It is as natural as birth, so that's ok. The way we look at death will depend on education and instinct. Unless you have looked at all the options, you cannot even guess what could be in store.

So let's look at some of our options.
1. Nothing...that's it. The end.
2. Heaven...with God - if you're good enough - but there may be hell as well.
3. Ghost...forever. Not much to eat.
4. Reincarnation...keep coming back. Do it all again.
5. Enlightenment...one big know-all. Take on everyone's troubles.
6. Can't think of any more...don't know. Need help.

All we have to do is choose one, and see how it feels. Does it work for us? How does that choice affect our life? Most of us cannot know (or remember) what happens at death.
What if we could choose the whole lot, wrapped into one?

What I'm going to suggest is from the Tibetan point of view, as that is all I've really studied. I know you will have your own opinion. Just bare with me - though it's not for the faint hearted.

What we call death is called Bardo in Tibetan, meaning gap..in between. There is the bardo experience happening all the time - it's part of our psychological make-up. We see life as one continuous event. 'This is my life'. But it's more like a cine film with individual frames, held together by karma. Karma is the glue that holds it all together, maintained be consciousness at a gross level. Each moment there is a gap for a new life (or, in forum-speak, timeline.) but we hold on dearly to what we want, because we are used to it. It's familiar.

There are six psychological profiles for sentient beings: human, animal, hungry ghost, jealous God and God realm. These are attitudes we hold. Each has both a wisdom and neurotic attributes. I'll put details of these on another thread.

There are six major bardo moments. Bardo of life, bardo of dying, bardo of after life, bardo of becoming, bardo of dream and the bardo of meditation.

Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training.

The so-called death period lasts for up to 49 days or seven weeks. Most of us are driven on by karma. Practitioners can become enlightened during the process, by remembering what they had practised in life - or go to higher realms to complete training.

The basis of these six psychological profiles are buddhas wisdoms: they are your essence. But the profiles also have a negative side. These Buddhas are represented by deities of brilliant coloured lights. In the first week after death, each deity will come towards you. These are of peaceful in appearance, and will invite you to recognise the projection as your true nature. If you recognise this, you will become a buddha. At the same time a soft coloured light will appear, but it is inviting you to the lower realm of the negative aspect of the deity.

In the second week the deities return in their wrathful aspect: this is intense love, to prevent you from becoming distracted. You always have a choice. That's if you know you have a choice.

After that, it's a matter of choosing a new incarnation - but again, because we practised just reacting in life, we are driven on by karma. It is said the precious human life is as difficult to achieve as a blind turtle coming up from the bottom of the ocean once every hundred years and sticking its head through a rubber ring floating on the surface.

Think yourself fortunate!

So there we have it. Quite mind blowing, I hope. You can now see why reacting through emotions:
fear, pride, anger, jealousy, desire and ignorance can cause us much suffering.



Tony

[Unified Serenity]

So-called death.

In a effort to blow peoples' minds into somewhere over the rainbow, I thought I'd describe briefly what happens after death, from the Tibetan Buddhist point of view...it's quite colourful! I'm not trying to convert anyone - Buddhism is terrible. All that practice, loads of studying...and then you have to be nice to people...no, no, don't touch it! But if you do, don't give up, as it's terrible to the ego!

Facing death and beyond is really a psychological event for most of us. It is as natural as birth, so that's ok. The way we look at death will depend on education and instinct. Unless you have looked at all the options, you cannot even guess what could be in store.

So let's look at some of our options.
1. Nothing...that's it. The end.
2. Heaven...with God - if you're good enough - but there may be hell as well.
3. Ghost...forever. Not much to eat.
4. Reincarnation...keep coming back. Do it all again.
5. Enlightenment...one big know-all. Take on everyone's troubles.
6. Can't think of any more...don't know. Need help.

All we have to do is choose one, and see how it feels. Does it work for us? How does that choice affect our life? Most of us cannot know (or remember) what happens at death.
What if we could choose the whole lot, wrapped into one?

What I'm going to suggest is from the Tibetan point of view, as that is all I've really studied. I know you will have your own opinion. Just bare with me - though it's not for the faint hearted.

What we call death is called Bardo in Tibetan, meaning gap..in between. There is the bardo experience happening all the time - it's part of our psychological make-up. We see life as one continuous event. 'This is my life'. But it's more like a cine film with individual frames, held together by karma. Karma is the glue that holds it all together, maintained be consciousness at a gross level. Each moment there is a gap for a new life (or, in forum-speak, timeline.) but we hold on dearly to what we want, because we are used to it. It's familiar.

There are six psychological profiles for sentient beings: human, animal, hungry ghost, jealous God and God realm. These are attitudes we hold. Each has both a wisdom and neurotic attributes. I'll put details of these on another thread.

There are six major bardo moments. Bardo of life, bardo of dying, bardo of after life, bardo of becoming, bardo of dream and the bardo of meditation.

Depending on the training one has done in one's life time will dictate what is recognised in the bardo states. This is why repetition of practice is so important. These bardo moments are moments one can recognise one true nature and become enlightened. Or, go to a higher realm to complete training.

The so-called death period lasts for up to 49 days or seven weeks. Most of us are driven on by karma. Practitioners can become enlightened during the process, by remembering what they had practised in life - or go to higher realms to complete training.

The basis of these six psychological profiles are buddhas wisdoms: they are your essence. But the profiles also have a negative side. These Buddhas are represented by deities of brilliant coloured lights. In the first week after death, each deity will come towards you. These are of peaceful in appearance, and will invite you to recognise the projection as your true nature. If you recognise this, you will become a buddha. At the same time a soft coloured light will appear, but it is inviting you to the lower realm of the negative aspect of the deity.

In the second week the deities return in their wrathful aspect: this is intense love, to prevent you from becoming distracted. You always have a choice. That's if you know you have a choice.

After that, it's a matter of choosing a new incarnation - but again, because we practised just reacting in life, we are driven on by karma. It is said the precious human life is as difficult to achieve as a blind turtle coming up from the bottom of the ocean once every hundred years and sticking its head through a rubber ring floating on the surface.

Think yourself fortunate!

So there we have it. Quite mind blowing, I hope. You can now see why reacting through emotions:
fear, pride, anger, jealousy, desire and ignorance can cause us much suffering.



Tony



Tony, I love this post and love your energy in it. I know you have left out a LOT, so please continue to share in this area if you wish. I appreciate it!

[TraineeHuman]

“The bright blue light” makes a lot of sense to me. Or, at least, here’s my interpretation of what it’s referring to. I’ve come across a number of clairvoyants who’ve all talked of “the blue healing ray”. Seem to recall that Blavatsky used that term – not that I’m really a fan of Blavatsky.

What “the blue healing ray” is all about is obvious to anyone who can see auras clearly. Basically, the charkas and other little energy centers in the human aura are somewhat covered over with a grey, dull light in most people. As an individual progresses towards spiritual enlightenment, the grey starts to turn into a pale blue, then a deep blue, then an indigo, then a bright blue-violet colour when the individual has their first enlightenment experience. The blue-violet colour has streaks of bright silver, or bright white, mixed in with it. There is a stage beyond that also. As an individual progresses to deeper levels of enlightenment, a bright golden colour starts to appear in more and more chakras, until there is a golden “hat” of energy above the head, in the same shape as the hats worn by Dervish dancers. As the individual reaches yet further levels of enlightenment, a bright gold “halo” does appear right around much of their head. Hence all the golden halos painted by artists who were clairvoyant enough to see auras.

I guess the important point is that if you’ve evolved spiritually at least to the point where the energies you naturally produce while alive are evolved enough to be at the blue-violet level, after death you’ll feel “at home” with the state of freedom, and hence be able to stay with it.