The Palestinians may win their Statehood. Vote on 23rd sept.

[Maia Gabrial]

My friend told me this morning that yesterday on CNN, it was reported that the Palestinians FINALLY won their Statehood with a majority vote in the UN. This is a great omen and a new hope. Of course, Bent-yahoo threatened troublemaking AGAIN. Why is this nutjob in leadership over there anyway? He's not good for the peace of the region at all...Come to think of it, he and his cronies are not good to other countries either....

When I tried to watch this historic event on CNN this morning, the video wasn't available anymore. Why am I not surprised? IMO this wonderful news should be shared and is being squelched. The question is WHY? Just as with so many other things, we're being treated like idiotic mushrooms, being kept in the dark and fed sh**.... This is something that will change, though.... Let this event be the beginning of that change....

My comment to Israel's leadership would be to stop worrying about being attacked by the Palestinian people, unless you've given them cause. If you had only treated them with honor instead of trying to kill them every chance you got, then there would be no worries. Are you worried? My suggestions to you would be to just abandon your world domination plans and get rid of the superiority complex because EVERYONE is equal whether you want to accept it or not. No one likes being treated like goyim (people that are lower than whale sh**) as you've done.... In time, you'll see that treating fellow beings RIGHTEOUSLY is the RIGHT thing to do....
And the thing is that Palestinians will probably treat YOU better than you treated THEM....IMO.

Sorry for the raving....

[Mark]

Well, the drama continues (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904194604576583162745601114.html). The United States may veto if the attempt is made. We will see what happens very soon.

[etheric underground]

Went and saw Mr david icke on the weekend.
He was more than passionate in relaying the genocidal scenario in palestine.
So its fantastic to hear this, now that I have a truer understanding of what its all
about. Thankyou DAVID ICKE

[Lord Sidious]

The only way they can all avoid the coming sacrifice is to have one state for all of them.
Most of the people out protesting in Israel right now don't want war and I bet that goes for a majority of the people, yet they are still on that path.

[The Truth Is In There]

it's all part of the game. "god's chosen people" lose their country (or a part of it, anyway) and "god" will punish all other nations who go against his chosen people. that punishment will be in the form of natural disasters, diseases, war and whatever else you can imagine and that this is going to happen during the end times is common knowledge since a looong time, thanks to the bible. so there's no surprise here, palestinian statehood had to be supported by a large part of the world to fulfill the prophecy and that's what happened. what's in the books next is ww3 and major earth changes but also what the church calls the rapture and new agers ascension. where thought goes, energy flows. a good idea would be to focus on what you want to experience, not what you don't want.

[Lord Sidious]

it's all part of the game. "god's chosen people" lose their country (or a part of it, anyway) and "god" will punish all other nations who go against his chosen people. that punishment will be in the form of natural disasters, diseases, war and whatever else you can imagine and that this is going to happen during the end times is common knowledge since a looong time, thanks to the bible. so there's no surprise here, palestinian statehood had to be supported by a large part of the world to fulfill the prophecy and that's what happened. what's in the books next is ww3 and major earth changes but also what the church calls the rapture and new agers ascension. where thought goes, energy flows. a good idea would be to focus on what you want to experience, not what you don't want.

Interesting observation.
Mmmmmmmm.

[Krullenjongen]

My friend told me this morning that yesterday on CNN, it was reported that the Palestinians FINALLY won their Statehood with a majority vote in the UN.

I don't know how CNN came by this information but i thought the UN vote is friday sept. 23 at the earliest.
So i am a bit puzzled???
It may not even be on friday because the following article say it could even take weeks of months before it comes to a vote.
See: http://www.debka.com/article/21322/

[GCS1103]

The Palestinians have not won Statehood in the U.N. as of yet. The vote is scheduled for Sept. 23rd and this morning Pres. Obama addressed the U.N. advising his position on behalf of the U.S. The final outcome will not be known until Friday, and may even be postponed for a few days beyond that. If granting the Palestinians a sovereign state will actually bring lasting peace to the area, I am all for it. The U.S. and Israel proposed a two-State solution prior to a formal vote, but it was rejected by the Palestinians.

Here is one possible scenario: The U.N. General Assembly votes to recognize Palestine as a fully independent nation based on the pre-1967 borders. The U.S. blocks the U.N. Security Council vote on recognition and admitting Palestine as a U.N. member nation.

1. The status of the PLO changes from Observer Entity to Non-member Observer State, giving them access to the International Court, etc.
2. A majority of the nations grant diplomatic recognition to Palestine.
3. Palestinian territory is defined to include all of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. A Palestinian controlled corridor is established between the two non-contiguous regions, effectively splitting Israel into two parts.
4. Israel refuses to recognize the UN's unilateral decision and claims continued sovereignty over the West Bank and new corridor. Israel will cite it's inability to defend itself from aggression.
5. All prior peace agreements with the PLO are now voided by Isreal. Israel again declares Gaza as part of the nation of Israel.
6. Massive fighting between Palestinian Arabs living in what they now believe is their new country, against Israeli Jews living in the West Bank settlements. Arms are supplied by surrounding Arab nations.
7. Israel resorts to armed force.
8 The U.N.under the recently established "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine declares Israel a terrorist state. This is the EXACT policy used to legitimatize the NATO-led invasion of Libya.
9. International sanctions and a naval blockade against Israel are launched to make Israel comply with the UN declaration.
10. NATO forces come in to occupy Gaza and the West Bank
11. Israel declares this an act of war and the serious fighting begins.
12. Other countries join this war to advance their own agenda.

Any thoughts on this scenario?

[kathymarie]

...@Krullenjongen...that's what I thought too...I listened to CBS news this morning and what I gathered was the vote is place but not yet. Russia says they will support....Canada says they will not vote for a Palestinian state.

[Lord Sidious]

The Palestinians have not won Statehood in the U.N. as of yet. The vote is scheduled for Sept. 23rd and this morning Pres. Obama addressed the U.N. advising his position on behalf of the U.S. The final outcome will not be known until Friday, and may even be postponed for a few days beyond that. If granting the Palestinians a sovereign state will actually bring lasting peace to the area, I am all for it. The U.S. and Israel proposed a two-State solution prior to a formal vote, but it was rejected by the Palestinians.

Here is one possible scenario: The U.N. General Assembly votes to recognize Palestine as a fully independent nation based on the pre-1967 borders. The U.S. blocks the U.N. Security Council vote on recognition and admitting Palestine as a U.N. member nation.

1. The status of the PLO changes from Observer Entity to Non-member Observer State, giving them access to the International Court, etc.
2. A majority of the nations grant diplomatic recognition to Palestine.
3. Palestinian territory is defined to include all of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. A Palestinian controlled corridor is established between the two non-contiguous regions, effectively splitting Israel into two parts.
4. Israel refuses to recognize the UN's unilateral decision and claims continued sovereignty over the West Bank and new corridor. Israel will cite it's inability to defend itself from aggression.
5. All prior peace agreements with the PLO are now voided by Isreal. Israel again declares Gaza as part of the nation of Israel.
6. Massive fighting between Palestinian Arabs living in what they now believe is their new country, against Israeli Jews living in the West Bank settlements. Arms are supplied by surrounding Arab nations.
7. Israel resorts to armed force.
8 The U.N.under the recently established "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine declares Israel a terrorist state. This is the EXACT policy used to legitimatize the NATO-led invasion of Libya.
9. International sanctions and a naval blockade against Israel are launched to make Israel comply with the UN declaration.
10. NATO forces come in to occupy Gaza and the West Bank
11. Israel declares this an act of war and the serious fighting begins.
12. Other countries join this war to advance their own agenda.

Any thoughts on this scenario?

Only thoughts I have on this scenario I couldn't post without getting a ban again.

[Martin]

On a side note -not that I would interpret to much into it myself, but I stumbled across it on some news site- the UN is currently within its 66th session.

Funny enough the Meetings of the 66th Session (http://www.un.org/en/ga/66/meetings/index.shtml) does not say anything about the 23th of September. As one can see the 66th session started on the 13th. Well there you have it. All that curious numbers ... it sometimes feels kind of funny, but again I am not that much into it.

As for Palestine. Ignored for to far to long and now the big fear is that someone actually had not only to pretend to care, but actually could be forced to do something about the terrible -but sanctioned- politics of Israel. The mess certainly was set up, but since most -especially the foreign politics- are staged no one here is really surprised.

I really do not want more suffering on this planet and truly hope that we'll still be able to turn this boat around.


Martin

[Arrowwind]

[QUOTE=The Truth Is In There;313690]it's all part of the game. "god's chosen people" lose their country (or a part of it, anyway) and "god" will punish all other nations who go against his chosen people. that punishment will be in the form of natural disasters, diseases, war and whatever else you can imagine and that this is going to happen during the end times is common knowledge since a looong time, thanks to the bible. so there's no surprise here, palestinian statehood had to be supported by a large part of the world to fulfill the prophecy and that's what happened. what's in the books next is ww3 and major earth changes but also what the church calls the rapture and new agers ascension. where thought goes, energy flows. a good idea would be to focus on what you want to experience, not what you don't want.



First of all it is not their country, and never was. All those Jews who left Israel way back when left Israel and had been in Europe for countless generations. In this current era it is a stolen land at gun point.
Those who believe that they own the land are destined to loose it.

Zionists are not Jews. They are fascist pigs reincarnated from Nazi legions.

There will never be peace without justice.

Israel and the world needs to compensate the palestinian people and apoligize for what they have done to these people.

Giving them their land back is a start that has been determined by previous treaties.. Giving them civil rights. giving them compensation for loss of property.

The Bible is a non credible work dictated by the minions of the Catholic Church to attain and maintain power over people who have not the where for all to think for themselves, though the tools of fear and death either physical or spiritual. As a source for prophectic truth it is worthless.
Armageddon is ALWAYS just around the corner.

[kathymarie]

Jackovesk posted an interesting video today concerning Alex Jones' comments about the UN needs to be abolished. My apologies for not posting the link to the thread. (I don't know how....:( ) But it's in today's posts.

@ Arrowwind....I agree with you but the fact that so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved when we have the real power to break every chain that binds us if we only would open hearts, eyes and mind to the truth. I lived in fear for years of offending God because of nagging questions and doubts I had. Mercifully, it dawned on me that a true God would never demand worship....nor punish questions.

[Arrowwind]

Of course it needs to be abolished. Although intial intention was good it was long ago taken over by criminals and NWO fascists.
You need not look any further than the WHO to understand their plot to reduce populations.

About WHO

WHO is the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system. It is responsible for providing leadership on global health matters, shaping the health research agenda, setting norms and standards, articulating evidence-based policy options, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends.

[kathymarie]

I don't think the initial intention was for anything good. It's one of those ideas that sounds good and looks good on paper but with evil intention only serves the basest of interests.

[Arrowwind]

@ Arrowwind....I agree with you but the fact that so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved when we have the real power to break every chain that binds us if we only would open hearts, eyes and mind to the truth. I lived in fear for years of offending God because of nagging questions and doubts I had. Mercifully, it dawned on me that a true God would never demand worship....nor punish questions.

Christians that believe this hogwash are quite in the minority on the planet. They do not have the capacity to pull anything off of such magnatude. Put them up in comparrison to the agnostics, the athiests, the buddhists, the hindus, the muslems, and all other peoples, they are a drop in the bucket. Even Chrisitans now, most are turning away from such futile and self destructive beliefs. In the USA they are the ones that get air time... probably because they are so entertaining and unbelievable.

You said it yourself. A merciful god does not demain worhship nor punishment. Either that is true or it is false. These individuals create their individual Karma. and when they are closely associated in a nation, as Israel, it turns into national Karma.... but even Israel is divided within. Most there want peace with the people of Palestine.

I would not waste my time giving energy to the idea that " so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved "

Do you not see how this feeds the fire?
...
There is a war going on for your mind. People of the rainbow light are winning.

[Lord Sidious]

The way forward is to work towards a positive future and let the past go.
The eye for an eye deal has screwed the area up for far too long.
The two ''sides'' which is only one group really, both want the same things, peace, security and to be able to have a decent life.
They can do that together, I know they can.
They did before and they will again.

[kathymarie]

@ Arrowwind....I agree with you but the fact that so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved when we have the real power to break every chain that binds us if we only would open hearts, eyes and mind to the truth. I lived in fear for years of offending God because of nagging questions and doubts I had. Mercifully, it dawned on me that a true God would never demand worship....nor punish questions.


I would not waste my time giving energy to the idea that " so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved "

Do you not see how this feeds the fire?
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Perhaps I was not articulate enough for you to understand my intent. To say I'm feeding the fire is ludicrous. I cannot help what others believe....and from my neck of the woods it's a mindset that what the Bible says is 100% true. Not my opinion...theirs. "I would not waste my time giving energy".....you don't have to waste your time. Too many others are doing it. I only made a statement about a mindset that is common. This "war" of keeping people separate and angry and divided has been going on for ages and continues...right to this minute. For all the proposed love and enlightenment here and elsewhere it sure seems the rule of the day to jump down someone's throat if they say something someone takes issue with.

Let's love each other....and love Christians too...if anyone needs understanding and compassion it's those who are blinded by their religious zeal...any religious zeal from any religion.

No offense intended. My original post was to agree with you.....and to just point out that there are those who are unwittingly working to bring about a certain reality.

[GCS1103]

@ Arrowwind....I agree with you but the fact that so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved when we have the real power to break every chain that binds us if we only would open hearts, eyes and mind to the truth. I lived in fear for years of offending God because of nagging questions and doubts I had. Mercifully, it dawned on me that a true God would never demand worship....nor punish questions.


I would not waste my time giving energy to the idea that " so many people believe the Bible to be God's inspired WORD may bring about some of the "prophecies" through their expectations and their actively working to bring them about. And that fits right into the plan for global domination and keeping humanity under lock and key. We unwittingly help our captors keep us enslaved "

Do you not see how this feeds the fire?
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Perhaps I was not articulate enough for you to understand my intent. To say I'm feeding the fire is ludicrous. I cannot help what others believe....and from my neck of the woods it's a mindset that what the Bible says is 100% true. Not my opinion...theirs. "I would not waste my time giving energy".....you don't have to waste your time. Too many others are doing it. I only made a statement about a mindset that is common. This "war" of keeping people separate and angry and divided has been going on for ages and continues...right to this minute. For all the proposed love and enlightenment here and elsewhere it sure seems the rule of the day to jump down someone's throat if they say something someone takes issue with.

Let's love each other....and love Christians too...if anyone needs understanding and compassion it's those who are blinded by their religious zeal...any religious zeal from any religion.

No offense intended. My original post was to agree with you.....and to just point out that there are those who are unwittingly working to bring about a certain reality.
Beautifully said, Kathymarie.

[Maia Gabrial]

After I posted this thread I tried to find more evidence, but couldn't. Sorry, guys. I should have searched first. But my feelings stand about what I said. My heart goes out to the Palestinians and hope they get their statehood. No one should have to beg the world to recognize them. Or to beg for help from the world when a tragic wrong has been committed against them. If the UN is so great, why are they not doing anything about the atrocities? IMO the UN AND NATO suck! Worthless and should be disbanded....

¤=[Post Update]=¤

BTW Obama does NOT speak on MY behalf.

Again, I apologize for my thread. CNN seemed to have jumped the gun or something. And I did no better....

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've changed the title of this thread to something closer to reality. Hopefully will know more soon!

[Martin]

I read the news myself on a german speaking news site. So somehow it did get around. No need to apologize. I feel as if we do do and talk much to less about this "topic". So I would actually thank you for the thread.


Martin

[Maia Gabrial]

The only way they can all avoid the coming sacrifice is to have one state for all of them.
Most of the people out protesting in Israel right now don't want war and I bet that goes for a majority of the people, yet they are still on that path.

IMO as long as global zionists (who are part of TPTW) are in control there will NEVER be peace. That's the illusion they set up for us....Peace doesn't serve their purposes of world domination. Peace won't fill up their bank accounts at all. They've sacrificed their own people because they're such self-serving bast***s. THEY are the obstacles to peace....not us, pawns....

WE are the ones that want peace. We're all SICK of fighting....Until 6 billion people stand up and tell these ssb's that they're done playing with our lives, which btw may come sooner than they think as more people awaken; they'll continue trampling on us.

I just heard from a video on the forum, that they're worried now that a record number of people are politically awakened.... Could this be what was meant by the biblical term "the Sleeping Giant?" Don't you think it's coincidental that there are masses of "sleeping" people right now?

[Maia Gabrial]

I appreciate that, Ilie. I'm embarassed enough.... :o

[Lord Sidious]

The only way they can all avoid the coming sacrifice is to have one state for all of them.
Most of the people out protesting in Israel right now don't want war and I bet that goes for a majority of the people, yet they are still on that path.

IMO as long as global zionists (who are part of TPTW) are in control there will NEVER be peace. That's the illusion they set up for us....Peace doesn't serve their purposes of world domination. Peace won't fill up their bank accounts at all. They've sacrificed their own people because they're such self-serving bast***s. THEY are the obstacles to peace....not us, pawns....

WE are the ones that want peace. We're all SICK of fighting....Until 6 billion people stand up and tell these ssb's that they're done playing with our lives, which btw may come sooner than they think as more people awaken; they'll continue trampling on us.

I just heard from a video on the forum, that they're worried now that a record number of people are politically awakened.... Could this be what was meant by the biblical term "the Sleeping Giant?" Don't you think it's coincidental that there are masses of "sleeping" people right now?

Their master doesn't want peace, he is still out to destroy the rogue creation on Earth.
Us.

[sshenry]

it's all part of the game. "god's chosen people" lose their country (or a part of it, anyway) and "god" will punish all other nations who go against his chosen people. that punishment will be in the form of natural disasters, diseases, war and whatever else you can imagine and that this is going to happen during the end times is common knowledge since a looong time, thanks to the bible. so there's no surprise here, palestinian statehood had to be supported by a large part of the world to fulfill the prophecy and that's what happened. what's in the books next is ww3 and major earth changes but also what the church calls the rapture and new agers ascension. where thought goes, energy flows. a good idea would be to focus on what you want to experience, not what you don't want.

This is what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Enough people believe that this is how it will happen, then this is how it will happen. Of course this also means that those who believe in this scenario are calling for a messiah to step in and save them....I hate to think as to just who (or what) will answer that call...

[Martin]

tPq6tO-ASUM

Just watched and what comes to my mind is:

Typical convulsions (Well, they are the problem/ source, right?) of truth within a good'ol lala-head-up-to-far-speech overlooking any and all sources of "our real problems" as honarable as possible.

Questions: Why is one of the delegates of South Sudan (8:28) wearing a cowboy hat and do the Lybian delegates look happy and freed? Just asking. ^^

Thank you Mr. President

[The Truth Is In There]

[QUOTE=The Truth Is In There;313690]it's all part of the game. "god's chosen people" lose their country (or a part of it, anyway) and "god" will punish all other nations who go against his chosen people. that punishment will be in the form of natural disasters, diseases, war and whatever else you can imagine and that this is going to happen during the end times is common knowledge since a looong time, thanks to the bible. so there's no surprise here, palestinian statehood had to be supported by a large part of the world to fulfill the prophecy and that's what happened. what's in the books next is ww3 and major earth changes but also what the church calls the rapture and new agers ascension. where thought goes, energy flows. a good idea would be to focus on what you want to experience, not what you don't want.



First of all it is not their country, and never was. All those Jews who left Israel way back when left Israel and had been in Europe for countless generations. In this current era it is a stolen land at gun point.
Those who believe that they own the land are destined to loose it.

Zionists are not Jews. They are fascist pigs reincarnated from Nazi legions.

There will never be peace without justice.

Israel and the world needs to compensate the palestinian people and apoligize for what they have done to these people.

Giving them their land back is a start that has been determined by previous treaties.. Giving them civil rights. giving them compensation for loss of property.

The Bible is a non credible work dictated by the minions of the Catholic Church to attain and maintain power over people who have not the where for all to think for themselves, though the tools of fear and death either physical or spiritual. As a source for prophectic truth it is worthless.
Armageddon is ALWAYS just around the corner.

my post was flavored with a bit of sarcasm, maybe you didn't notice that. of course the story of the jews mustn't be taken literally but that doesn't change the prophetic aspect. as a source of prophetic truth the bible is one of the most valuable things out there, as long as ones realizes that a lot of the information is metaphoric.

the great tribulation WILL start on sep 29th, just as predicted in revelation 12. you're going to witness that in a week, along with a lot of other things that have been predicted, even the "rapture" on october 28th. although it isn't called that in the bible it's explained pretty neatly, e.g. how the time of tribulation will be "cut short" for some, and the synchronicities between the bible, hopi prophecy, the "true" mayan calendar as well as several other prophecies are by no means coincidental either.

[Andre]

I started to listen to Obama's video address to the U.N. General Assembly posted above but I couldn't get past his welcome. As someone mentioned, "thought goes where energy" flows and in that light, I choose not to give Obama any of my thoughts/energy. These people thrive on our energy and our fear. If we withdraw both, they will eventually melt away. This is physics, not idle dreaming.

As you may know, the U.S. has indicated that it plans to veto the statehood vote if it comes to that. However, I also understand they don't have a vote in the General Assembly.

Let us all hope and, more importantly, picture the world finally turning away from the U.S.A. and finally voting for Palestinian statehood. What a fantastic outcome that would be!

We are all very powerful beings and the real war today is an internal one. Let our vision for the future outshine the dark ones. I believe we can do it now at every turn.

[Arrowwind]

The way forward is to work towards a positive future and let the past go.
The eye for an eye deal has screwed the area up for far too long.
The two ''sides'' which is only one group really, both want the same things, peace, security and to be able to have a decent life.
They can do that together, I know they can.
They did before and they will again.

How does one let the past go when sons and daughters are being murdered daily?
It is never in the past. It is always in the now
as flesh is torn open daily
I do not see where they ever did it before.
there were only pretenses and promises and hope
but nothing really got done.

Coming to terms with the past is a healig process
Just as in our own spiritual evolution we must contend with our past.
Acknowledge, understand and forgive.
and above and beyond all this the violence must stop.

In raising my children I came to see that letting go
is not the answer. They had to come to terms with what was done wrong
They had to state what they did wrong and why it was wrong
appoligize for pain inflicted or greiviences done
as a foundation to never doing it again.
This is contrition
There never has been any remorse for moving palestine people out
of there homes at gun point, nor in the daily slaughters that still continue
nor in the perpetual building and colonizing on Palestinain land in the West BanK


For the palastine people to own and control their own land is a first step.
It may cause more battle... but battle will come regardless, as long as the Isralies
hold the positon that they do.
They have no right to the west bank. They have not held their treaties.
Just like the Americans opposing the Native Americans and all the treaties broken
all the lies, all the slaughter.
the only difference this time is that the people of Palestine has the where for all to fight back
because they have friends in the region.
Native Americans were crushed and had no support from anyone
They were annihilated.

Israel has not managed to annihilate their enemy
as they have sought world support to do so, it has never come.

I do not see it that Israel only wants peace and security.
If that were true why do they continue to build on land
that it was agreed upon is not theres?

The zionists want it all including the elimination of all palestinian people
on the land that they think they should own but which they do not.

[Lord Sidious]

The zionists want to see the destruction of Israel and the entire population there.
If the jews and arabs who want peace DON'T join forces, then the only outcome is bad.
And I have seen people on both sides who don't hate due to personal loss, as they put it down to bad people and not the whole people.
That is a hard one, but they didn't hold the grudge.
That is the only way, with no judgement.

[Arrowwind]

[my post was flavored with a bit of sarcasm, maybe you didn't notice that. of course the story of the jews mustn't be taken literally but that doesn't change the prophetic aspect. as a source of prophetic truth the bible is one of the most valuable things out there, as long as ones realizes that a lot of the information is metaphoric.

the great tribulation WILL start on sep 29th, just as predicted in revelation 12. you're going to witness that in a week, along with a lot of other things that have been predicted, even the "rapture" on october 28th. although it isn't called that in the bible it's explained pretty neatly, e.g. how the time of tribulation will be "cut short" for some, and the synchronicities between the bible, hopi prophecy, the "true" mayan calendar as well as several other prophecies are by no means coincidental either.

Ill be watching as I watch every day of this life.
Have you given your stuff away yet?
I haven't.
Im busy planning next years garden.

Interesting how you get dates for events
out of metaphor.

:dizzy: