Brand New 9/11 Nuggetry.

[Lord Sidious]

Check this out avalonuggets!
10 years down the road and they come up with this nuggetry.


Were Twin Towers felled by chemical blasts

A mix of sprinkling system water and melted aluminium from aircraft hulls likely triggered the explosions that felled New York's Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, a materials expert has told a technology conference.

"If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water," Christian Simensen, a scientist at SINTEF, an independent technology research institute based in Norway, said in a statement released on Wednesday.

"From other disasters and experiments carried out by the aluminium industry, we know that reactions of this sort lead to violent explosions."

The official report blames the collapse on the overheating and failure of the structural steel beams at the core of the buildings, an explanation Simensen rejects.

Given the quantities of the molten metal involved, the blasts would have been powerful enough to blow out an entire section of each building, he said.

This, in turn, would lead to the top section of each tower to fall down on the sections below.

The sheer weight of the top floors would be enough to crush the lower part of the building like a house of cards, he said.

The aluminium-water scenario would also account for explosions from within the buildings just prior to their collapse that have fuelled conspiracy theories suggesting that the structures had been booby-trapped.

Simensen presented his theory at an international materials technology conference in San Diego, California, and has detailed his calculations in an article published in the trade journal Aluminium International Today.

"The aluminium industry had reported more than 250 aluminium-water explosions since 1980," he said.

In a controlled experiment carried out by Alcoa Aluminium, 20 kilos of molten aluminium was allowed to react with 20 litres of water, along with a small quantity of rust.

"The explosion destroyed the entire laboratory and left a crater 30 metres in diameter," Simensen said.

By comparison, the aircraft carried 30 tonnes of aluminium into each of the towers, according to his calculations.

Simensen speculates that the two commercial jets were immediately trapped inside an insulating layer of building debris within the skyscrapers.

The debris - especially plaster, which blocks the transfer of heat - would have formed a shield protecting the rest of the building.

At the same time, however, it would created a super-hot, oven-like zone around the aircraft, heated by burning fuel.

Aluminium alloy, which in jet hulls also contains magnesium, melts at 660C. If heated to 750C, the alloy "becomes as liquid as water", Simensen said.

This molten aluminium could then have flowed downward through staircases and gaps in the floor, causing a chemical reaction with water from sprinklers on the levels below.

A meltdown period of 30 to 45 minutes would be consistent with the timing of the explosions and subsequent collapse of both buildings in relation to the moment of impact.

Simensen said there are lessons to be learned, if his theory is correct, that could help avoid a similar disaster were another skyscraper to be hit by a big jet.

"We could develop means of rapidly emptying sprinkler systems in the floors beneath the point of impact," he said.

Firing a rocket with fire-retardant that could coat the aircraft body could also help prevent metal alloy from melting.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/10313923/were-twin-towers-felled-by-chemical-blasts/

[Axman]

Wow thats how stupid they think we are.
Scary.

The Axman

[TargeT]

oh wow... thats just... haha.. ok.

I'd have to see the numbers on force potential and line it up with structural numbers.. but I'm pretty sure that reaction wouldn't send Ibeams flying .. bah, no point even puting any cognitive effort into this one..

at least the official story people now not only admit there were explosions,, but have an explanation they can indignantly cling to!

[Mark]

Smh. More attempts to forstall folks from taking 911 truthers seriously. Guess the #s must be more meaningful now and they're feelin' the heat if they feel the need to further "explain" the officially inexplicable.

[Cidersomerset]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As sid would say 'WHAT A NUGGET'

Oh invisible aluminium fell on to it in the debris..!!!

[sshenry]

good lord, do they really think that we can't recognize a controlled demolition when we see it? PuhLease!

[spiritguide]

This theory does not cover how steel beams were cut at angles.....as other theories do. No doubt aluminum acts as stated but the variables stated do not make an excuse for the collaspses. you can find fantacy land at disney world.

[Martin]

Yes, two planes with a maximum take-off weight of well below 300.000 kg crashing results in tons, yes tons of molten aluminium. Sure. Christmas is coming, but DO NOT FORGET THE EASTER BUNNY my friends. :P

Martin

[Cidersomerset]

So basically all commercial aircraft are potential heat seeking missiles .........................


They put a relitively large nugget of molten aluminium in 5 gallons of water. As you would expect it boiled the water , but did not blow up the bucket... Not like super thermite...

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ordinary Thermite cutting steel plate

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Cheers Sid fancy getting me all 'nuggeted' up before I go to bed..LOL cheers steve..

[sshenry]

Yes, two planes with a maximum take-off weight of well below 300.000 kg crashing results in tons, yes tons of molten aluminium. Sure. Christmas is coming, but DO NOT FORGET THE EASTER BUNNY my friends. :P

Martin

my bets are on the tooth fairy at least he's got wings :p

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So basically all commercial aircraft are potential heat seeking missiles .........................

Makes you feel real comfortable about that commuter flight across the pond, no? I wonder if there is a sci/fi story somewhere where the planes really ARE heat seeking missles and they are just DISGUISED as planes....

[ViralSpiral]

http://images.borders.com.au/images/bau/97804864/9780486467702/0/0/plain/aesops-fables-for-children.jpg

[D-Day]

Pffft what a crock of sh!t! (sorry)
Too many unlikely conditions and factors required for this theory to be considered plausible IMO.
What ever happened to using logic and common sense to formulate the MOST scientifically sound conclusion/s?
This guy's really stretching the imagination here if you ask me.
Wonder how much he was paid to concoct this nonsense? .....

[Coaxial]

Iron Oxide (rust) + Powdered Aluminium = Thermite (sort of )...
I know where they are going with this but I will not be spoon fed this crap!
We all know what happened!!!

[Anno]

[...]Firing a rocket with fire-retardant that could coat the aircraft body could also help prevent metal alloy from melting.

I think that's where he went a bit too far. How would that even work?

Perhaps he's launching a company that sells fire extinguisher SAM missile systems that every insurance company will demand every building has.

[TargeT]

[...]Firing a rocket with fire-retardant that could coat the aircraft body could also help prevent metal alloy from melting.

I think that's where he went a bit too far. How would that even work?

Perhaps he's launching a company that sells fire extinguisher SAM missile systems that every insurance company will demand every building has.

that will be in the next iteration of the "patriot act" ... haha

and the company with exclusive production rights will have D. Cheny on its board of directors.....

[Lord Sidious]

The good news is this, you don't call the fire brigade out if there is no fire.
The fact that they are STILL trying to ''explain'' this away shows that this is an area to focus on.
They have.

[Anno]

It's Charlie Veitch I feel sorry for. He changed his mind after seeing a Lego reinactment. I bet he's kicking himself now. If he'd waited that bit longer it could have been this Alluminium Explosion Theory instead and he wouldn't look as silly.

[spiritguide]

Especially if MSM pushes it......I agree Lord Sid.

[noxon medem]

- Here is also solid documentation
no (norwegian)
( om noen heftige ugler i mosen )


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054

Core of Corruption .
http://coreofcorruption.com/

- Enjoy . .

:fish2:

[ThePythonicCow]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And all of building 3, most of 4, a chunk of 5, and the massive hole, all the way to the ground, that gutted 6?

[shadowstalker]

The problem with all this coming our way is that they could one day tell us the partial truth and we would never believe it.
Now wouldn't that be a kick in the pants.

[DeDukshyn]

And it took them 11 years to figure this out? ... Well now, it took a team of experts 11 years to try to explain this? Oh, right -- no need to make up a story for a concern that doesn't exist yet ... "We'll make up stories as we go as the sheeple start figuring stuff out ..." is obviously the logic .. lol again ..

[TargeT]

The problem with all this coming our way is that they could one day tell us the partial truth and we would never believe it.
Now wouldn't that be a kick in the pants.

well they've already done that with the gulf of tonkin, Pearl harbor, The sinking of the lucitania etc... it works so well, why stop now?

Ohh yeah, we have this pesky internet thing to deal with now... Hmm.. Looks like they didn't plan for that little snag ;)

[Sierra]

Boy! Talk about taking a hammer to Occam's Razor!

[DeDukshyn]

Wow thats how stupid they think we are.
Scary.

The Axman

lol .. I'm getting scared for them ... this rubbish won't last much longer ... ;)

[ghostrider]

I love it, a so called plane hits the tower and dissappears into it, then there is an explosion and no airplane DEBRIS came apart at impact. hmmmm then the huge metal structure fell straight down turning into dust and the drivers license of the villian floats down and survives molten tempartures. hmmmmmmm ???? the sprinkler mist of metal flowing down to put out the fire then ignites and the deed and evidence is done. those monsters, karma will get them. can't escape karma.

[shadowstalker]

The problem with all this coming our way is that they could one day tell us the partial truth and we would never believe it.
Now wouldn't that be a kick in the pants.

well they've already done that with the gulf of tonkin, Pearl harbor, The sinking of the lucitania etc... it works so well, why stop now?

Ohh yeah, we have this pesky internet thing to deal with now... Hmm.. Looks like they didn't plan for that little snag ;)

Agreed

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Ok now it's not to short.....lol

[Jake]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And all of building 3, most of 4, a chunk of 5, and the massive hole, all the way to the ground, that gutted 6?

Swamp gas?? :p

[TargeT]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And all of building 3, most of 4, a chunk of 5, and the massive hole, all the way to the ground, that gutted 6?

Swamp gas?? :p

You may have a nobel prize right there jake! quick right a disertation on the combination of molten aluminum, jet fuel, water from sprinklers and stray-migratory north american swamp gas!

Don't sweat the facts or details (no one else seems to), just make it sound vaugely "logical".

[DeDukshyn]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And all of building 3, most of 4, a chunk of 5, and the massive hole, all the way to the ground, that gutted 6?

Swamp gas?? :p

<CIA quickly jacks up Jake to offer him a job as 9/11 investigator> ;)

[Anno]

You may have a nobel prize right there jake! quick right a disertation on the combination of molten aluminum, jet fuel, water from sprinklers and stray-migratory north american swamp gas!

Don't sweat the facts or details (no one else seems to), just make it sound vaugely "logical".

I'd throw in the 'Ghosts of Dead Indians' just to be safe. Nothing sells a story like an Indian Burial Ground.

[shadowstalker]

You may have a nobel prize right there jake! quick right a disertation on the combination of molten aluminum, jet fuel, water from sprinklers and stray-migratory north american swamp gas!

Don't sweat the facts or details (no one else seems to), just make it sound vaugely "logical".

I'd throw in the 'Ghosts of Dead Indians' just to be safe. Nothing sells a story like an Indian Burial Ground.

The Abenaki tribe
The Cayuga tribe
The Erie tribe
The Laurentian tribes
The Mohawk tribe
The Mohican tribe (including Wappingers)
The Mohegan tribe (including Montauk and Shinnecock)
The Munsee Delaware tribe
The Oneida tribe
The Onondaga tribe
The Poospatuck/Unkechaug tribe
The Seneca tribe

Pick one

[Guest]

thank you for the link noxon medem core of corruption.

and for the thread Lord Sidious

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we are all related

[aranuk]

WE as in us here should never give up exposing this 911 crap. This is the biggest thing in recent times where the PTB, or were, are very very vulnerable. I really don't think that we should ever stop poking away at the sore bits of their explanations of what happened. They have in my opinion a very weak case which can be easily exposed for the treachery against the good American people. Normally I am aware of saying "should" but in these sentences I ask for clemency talking about these barstewards.

Stan

[onawah]

The only person so far who has any explanation for the "dustification" of the towers is Dr. Judy Wood, and she deserves a prize for all the research she's done and the most sensible explanation I've seen yet.

[kudzy]

The only person so far who has any explanation for the "dustification" of the towers is Dr. Judy Wood, and she deserves a prize for all the research she's done and the most sensible explanation I've seen yet.


I fully agree with you. I bought her book. It should be here any day now.

[fox.mulder]

What exactly is a nugget when Lord Sid uses this terminolgy? And from that what is "nuggetry"? I can come with some guess. It is a cynical description of a someone who is a a loser? Is nuggetry something that losers do? Can someone help?

[Calz]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And all of building 3, most of 4, a chunk of 5, and the massive hole, all the way to the ground, that gutted 6?

Swamp gas?? :p

I was going to suggest "another" type of gas ... but that one will work :painkiller:

...

Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-energy Technology on 9/11

(many words are not needed when pictures tell the story)

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http://www.amazon.com/Towers-Evidence-Directed-Free-energy-Technology/dp/0615412564/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1316662841&sr=1-1

[Anchor]

Nuggetry sums it up quite well.

I mean there were buildings (Building 7) that were not even hit by planes so even if that theory worked for the two that were (which it clearly does not!), what's the explanation for them then?

What uncontrolled explosion results in Girders, cut consistently to the length of the trucks that carted them off ......

[TargeT]

What exactly is a nugget when Lord Sid uses this terminolgy? And from that what is "nuggetry"? I can come with some guess. It is a cynical description of a someone who is a a loser? Is nuggetry something that losers do? Can someone help?

sofar as I can tell the meaning changes with the context, I think he just likes the word, its an 8 letter word (in this usage) so aside from personal preference I can't think of a reason :)

[johnf]

Perhaps Dr Judy Wood came close enough to make them feel they need to counter the info.

[Strat]

"If my theory is correct, tonnes of aluminium ran down through the towers, where the smelt came into contact with a few hundred litres of water," Christian Simensen, a scientist


I have nothing against this man. However, given his apparent understanding of physics, he will never shoot pool on my team.

I really try to be serious on this forum. It's just that this subject matter reaches a level of absurdity, that I can't help but to crack a few jokes from time to time. So many great points get ignored by smart people. I'm sure this scientist is a smart guy, he just perceives alternative ideas to 9/11 as something for crack pots. Now he's got his very own crack pot theory.

[panopticon]

What exactly is a nugget when Lord Sid uses this terminolgy? And from that what is "nuggetry"? I can come with some guess. It is a cynical description of a someone who is a a loser? Is nuggetry something that losers do? Can someone help?

G'day Fox.Mulder,

To speak in the native vernacular of my home country:
Struth Ruth, yas frum Sydnee is yas?
Fair dinkum, ya dunno wat nugget is?
To much Seppo tellingvision I reckon.
Well buggar me sideways, I dunno if I'd trust ya in a blue!
Yood be one to not brin' ya dosh to the rubba dub for a shout!
Speakin of which I'm as dry as a dead dingoes donga in the desert so I'm off.
Arva good arvo blue and watch out for them joe blakes.

Scratch ya round like bricks ain't,
Panopticon -- Captain Drongo!

[onawah]

I have not looked into this closely myself, but my theory is that it is something akin to the expression "I am only an egg" uttered by Michael Valentine Smith in Robert Heinlein's classic, "Stranger From A Strange Land".
It was what the youngest Martians would say when their extreme youth, ignorance and lack of wisdom became most evident, particularly when compared to the great age, experience and wisdom of the "Old Ones , the Martian elders. A nugget, then, would be similar to an "egg" and "nuggetry" something foolish an egg might do.



What exactly is a nugget when Lord Sid uses this terminolgy? And from that what is "nuggetry"? I can come with some guess. It is a cynical description of a someone who is a a loser? Is nuggetry something that losers do? Can someone help?

sofar as I can tell the meaning changes with the context, I think he just likes the word, its an 8 letter word (in this usage) so aside from personal preference I can't think of a reason :)

[Calz]

I have nothing against this man. However, given his apparent understanding of physics, he will never shoot pool on my team. :haha:



I always like to take just a minute out of my day to thank someone who *really* made me laugh!

Laughing is a good thing :lol:

[syrwong]

Extraordinarily innovative ideas! Let him have the Nobel Physics Prize, and presented by no other than the last Nobel Peace prize winner.

[onawah]

This is the funniest thread I've seen on PA in a long time.:laugh:

[Buck]

I have not looked into this closely myself, but my theory is that it is something akin to the expression "I am only an egg" uttered by Michael Valentine Smith in Robert Heinlein's classic, "Stranger From A Strange Land".
It was what the youngest Martians would say when their extreme youth, ignorance and lack of wisdom became most evident, particularly when compared to the great age, experience and wisdom of the "Old Ones , the Martian elders. A nugget, then, would be similar to an "egg" and "nuggetry" something foolish an egg might do.



What exactly is a nugget when Lord Sid uses this terminolgy? And from that what is "nuggetry"? I can come with some guess. It is a cynical description of a someone who is a a loser? Is nuggetry something that losers do? Can someone help?

sofar as I can tell the meaning changes with the context, I think he just likes the word, its an 8 letter word (in this usage) so aside from personal preference I can't think of a reason :)

nugget as in incomplete, not whole, a portion- and in the context of this forum it seems plain enough if you see the various ways it is employed. It is a funny term. And it is fun to say. And, unfortunately, with all due respect to Mr. Sidious, I do see a dark side of all this funny stuff. I do wonder, because at times it feels divisive and potentially elitist, in that it implies a hierarchy; there are those who get it, and then there are, well, nuggets. And when you consider this is being said by a person who calls themselves a Lord, by the name of a dark lord no less, using this form of address with others does seem to be an odd choice. It immediately caught my attention when I first joined Avalon, as I assume it has others. But since it was SO obvious, and no one appeared to have any issue with it, I filed it under 'have not been here long enough to understand all the nuances of the neighborhood'.

And then there is the fact that nuggets are amusing, because they do stupid things (like try to float this ridiculous theory that Mr. Sidious has posted). And Lord knows there is an endless supply of material out there in the world :) See there I go, Im doing it now! :)

[spiritguide]

Yes it.s official the main stream media is now saying this theory will now debunk all the other ones....lol Yahoo news is pushing this theory! I guess they really think we are all shallow.

[Moonwish]

What about the building that wasn't hit directly? The one with the records and gold (the latter removed)
How could that have a zero gravity freefall?

Methinks something is fishy in New York City

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think this pretty much seals the case for "inside job" proponents. The "official" story just wouldn't fly and now they are back-peddaling, trying to come up with some other BS explanation. But its too late now, isn't it? If the original story is crap then 9/11 was an inside job!

[Moonwish]

Mr Heinlien also gave us grocking. A very useful term

[Fred Steeves]

Yep, that is truly some first class nuggetry, thanks for pointing that out Rob. Maybe they're beginning to understand what David Icke says about it: "If the story of 9/11 goes, so does everything else".

Cheers,
Fred

[jsb_swampfox]

OK, what about building 7? No plane...no aluminum..right?....Nothing to see here...move along

[ceetee9]

What about building seven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As sid would say 'WHAT A NUGGET'

Oh invisible aluminium fell on to it in the debris..!!!My thoughts exactly! Probably the molten aluminum ran down the tower's stairwells, across the street and up the stairwells of building 7 before running back down and coming in contact with the sprinkler system water. Seems rational to me. ;)

[aranuk]

Yep, that is truly some first class nuggetry, thanks for pointing that out Rob. Maybe they're beginning to understand what David Icke says about it: "If the story of 9/11 goes, so does everything else".

Cheers,
Fred

Absolutely! No question about it! These dirty rotten creeps who callously and cold bloodedly murdered thousands of precious human beings can never be forgiven by us. That is up to the Good One Him/her self. They did it for more money as if they didn't have enough. Unforgivable.

Stan

[spiritguide]

So the MSM wants us all to take a hit from the laced joint there passing around... I'll pass.

[Davy]

The more lies they tell the more the Truth becomes obvious! Thats all they have is lies! How stupid do they think we are?!

[Lord Sidious]

The more lies they tell the more the Truth becomes obvious! Thats all they have is lies! How stupid do they think we are?!

Well, they think the masses are very stupid and I tend to agree, to a degree.
What other explanation could we get for the self destructive behaviour we see?
And they thank you for the means of their self destruction.

[Bollinger]

The number of people, in the US and throughout the world who are actually beginning to question the official story, is getting dangerously high for comfort for the authors concerned. It stands at something like 30% plus.

People who can see obvious flaws and huge unexplained anomalies in the official story and are honest with themselves, tend to call a spade a spade when they see one. The mass media's job is to tell us it is not a spade. Most people would be willing to bend a little if they said it was a shovel, or a pitchfork or even a spatula.

In the case of 9/11, we are being asked to believe that the thing that looks like a spade is in fact a one-legged meerkat with a moustache. That is how wide the gap is between what it looks like and what the official story says it is.

Now given that situation, what do you do? You invent another story that looks a little closer to the truth but still keeps the guilty in zone innocent.

I myself would say that this latest attempt at an explanation is just as implausible as the original and leaves a great deal to be desired. Will the numbers doubting the official story start to come down? I don't think so.

http://themediablog.typepad.com/.a/6a011570c131b2970c0120a51f2b1a970b-320wi

[fox.mulder]

Ahh some first class nuggetry.....(thankyou to all those that enlightened me to Nuggets and Nuggetry)

[KiwiElf]

Haha another "magic bullet theory".
Doesn't explain the molten pool of STEEL (in what was left of the basement) still glowing red hot one week after the collapse and visible from satellite. Where do they dig these "experts" up from?

[BPIpsychic]

Reminds me of the "magic bullet" antics of the JFK assassination or the "swamp gas" of Operation Grudge. They really need to hire better liars.