60,000 Americans Killed in Underground NWO Base

[The One]

code red!

supposedly if true(!) this is allegedly being suppressed on 'both ends' nevertheless because of the intel's implications (?)

5P3R4ByIdco

reporter claims two huge underground cities were destroyed a month ago

Colorado & VA's earthquake (not at all typical for that region, www.youtube.com...)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwRpZ6_40b0

at time of posting blogger's last update is 9/19 and everything vague.

supposedly MSM is suppressing USA's struggle with growing NWO resistance of not just american 'white hats' but also 87 countries so far (you're either with us or terrorists)

IblwUglgFYQ
White Hat" U.S. military group resisting the 4th Reich Rockefeller Illuminati's New World Order (NWO)

demolished some of their deep underground bases (they were going to use to ride-out their upcoming concocted WW3 nuclear war) in Colorado and Virginia--and these were the actual causes of the recent earthquake(s)

wow?

[Ilie Pandia]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

[onawah]

Ilie, the threads having to do with Ben Fulford and David Wilcock include info on this story, as the interview DW did with BF is where the story originated of nuclear weapons being used to destroy the underground bases in VA and Colorado, killing 60,000 people in the process .
The 2 most recent Alfred L. Webre interviews with "Tolec" also deal with this.
Tolec claims that ETs(the Andromeden Council) used some sort of sonic weaponry to clear out resistant Greys and Reptilians from the underground bases, and their targets were not human beings, but no more details were given.
Then DW posted on his website that it was not nuclear weapons that were used after all, but some kind of advanced technology, and he did not give any more info than that--nothing about what his source of info was either.
I did not watch that fear porn video in post #1, so please excuse me if I have missed any pertinent info that might have been in that.
Though the story originated with Ben Fulford, EUTimes got hold of it and claimed the Russians were saying the same thing, but that is a notorious disinfo news source, so I think that can safely be discounted.
Someone on the forum suggested the quakes were caused by fracking, which is indeed going on in Colorado and Virginia, but it would take someone like Dutchsinse, I think, who has some familiarity with the equipment that registers quakes etc,. to give a more informed opinion as to what caused them, and I don't know if he has commented.
I hope that is helpful.


60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

[Maia Gabrial]

How many were greys and reptilians (and CIA) out of the 60,000? If they were out to kill us, then
it's scary to think that we were so close to being annihilated, if the stories are true, that is...
And also, how many people disappear every year without a trace? This may end up like that....We won't know for now....

[onawah]

It wasn't Tolec who said there were 60,000 killed. All he said was that the ETs used some kind of sonic weaponry to clear out the Greys and Reps.
He didn't mention humans, how many Greys or Reps were killed, and gave no other details, other than that they were given plenty of advance warning which they would not heed, apparently.
Fulford is the one who said 60,000 humans were killed with nuclear weapons, but did not mention anything about Greys or Reps.
It's probably ALL disinfo, but we might as well keep the details straight.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I don't believe a word of it!!!
First off, IIRC the story originated on Sorcha Faal, (god I'm sick of that guy) which puts its credibility in question, to put it mildly, from the get go.
Then when there was zero radiation detected the story has developed into 'oh it wasn't a nuke it was exotic weaponry' that caused a massive increase in atmospheric pressure.
How convenient!

Is there one single piece of verifiable evidence at all about ANY of this? :mod::frusty:
I would love to see it.

Hurritt

[The One]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

Some info on this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30941-The-ET-Disclosure-War-NWO-Bunker-Destruction-Explained-In-Depth..-

[modwiz]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

[HURRITT ENYETO]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

Careful Modwiz,
You'll be a Sorcha Faal headline!!!

Hurritt

[greybeard]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

Careful Modwiz,
You'll be a Sorcha Faal headline!!!

Hurritt

I would be inclined to believe modwiz
His version is certainly quite a bit more likely to be true.

Chris

[The One]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

lol thats funny i needed that :bounce:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Utter Nonsense.

[The One]

Utter Nonsense.

Hey not everthing on here is true

lol :cool:

[ThePythonicCow]

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)
Perhaps you are remembering this post and the ones it quotes: Ben Fulford recent interview with David Wilcock - Post #32 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30623-Ben-Fulford-recent-interview-with-David-Wilcock&p=311189&viewfull=1#post311189).

The two Youtube videos in Post #1 of this present thread have not been posted before on this forum.

[kersley]

I'm with Ilie Pandia on this one...60'000 is a huge number....

[Vitalux]

From a logistic standpoint

It would make sense that an advanced alien civilization would work and in hand with the CIA and then double cross and betray them at the last minute to give them a taste of how they double crossed and betrayed the rest of humanity.

Let the punishment fit the crime

[PHARAOH]

60,000 deaths, maybe not. DUMBS destroyed, possible.

[norman]

I'm going right out on a limb, I think it's true.

The 'earthquake' graphs are my biggest reason to believe.

[161803398]

I'll vote for true too. At the very least, he believes every word of what he is saying.

[Referee]

I have to agree I feel it may be true there was no p wave to either quake. Maybe it was a very big conventional weapon but something besides an earthquake shook the ground.

[Buck]

I'm going right out on a limb, I think it's true.

The 'earthquake' graphs are my biggest reason to believe.

Good point, I agree the graphs are telling. The rest is in play. I think it is appropriate to maintain flexibility as information flows in.

inquiry can reveal much- especially with the proper use of discernment, the study of pattern, a heightened attention to coincidence, and to anomaly.

[Sierra]

I don't know about the 60,000 ... but a lot of interesting dots got connected for me on the financial side.

[craig mitchell]

Some info says it was a sonic pulse and not a nuke. 60k? Mostly non-human criminals aliens who were warned and warned again. I've not much sympathy for them. For the humans caught in that event, some sympathy.

Regards, Craig

[gripreaper]

This week is the awake and aware conference. Sean David Morton is one of the speakers, and I read his book "Sands of Time", and if just half of what he says in that book is true, there is way more going on underground than we are let to believe, even in the alternative community. Hybrid experiments, hybrid beings and alien infiltration have reached epic proportions, and I would not be surprised if there needed to be a cleansing of some sort, or a conflict between factions gone bad occurred.

In any event, there is also massive amounts of disinformation these days, like we have never seen, as the internet has emerged as the leading source of information and television is declining in popularity. I'm taking everything with a grain of salt, and so far this week alone I've gone through a 50 pound bag of it!

[onawah]

Sierra, would you care to elaborate? Thanks.

I don't know about the 60,000 ... but a lot of interesting dots got connected for me on the financial side.

[mahalall]

"In a mad world only the mad are sane" Akira Kurosawa.

Cutting through the smoke my heart votes true

[Godiam]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

Love it!...... Made me laugh!!

Much better than the Doom and Gloom that seems all pervasive at this time!!;):cool:

[truth4me]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)I tend to agree 60,000 people is a whole lot of people.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Maybe is was made to look like an explosion, a smoke screen if you will.

It has to be the ninjas BF says are waiting in the wings... the white dragon socitey strikes again :)

PVM

[ktlight]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

It is no longer available.

[DNA]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

I don't know if you've ever lived in the US, but one of the things that is most disheartening about this country is the non-cohesiveness of the family structure here.
Parents often don't talk to their children in between major holidays. Siblings can go years.
So you can imagine if part of the criteria in choosing folks for an underground base of black operations was that an emphasis in this area be already present, it's not a stretch at all.

Linda Multon Howe talked in length about a situation that was pretty close to her, in which a man known in her youth, a phd level micro biologist died a few years ago, and to her utter astonishment, she ran into him at a super market.
When she approached him he was extremely paranoid and quieted her happy attempts at a reuinion by informing her that they were both in danger and to never, ever tell anyone that she knew he was alive.

He was apparently on leave after being whisked away to one of these underground bases.




Maybe is was made to look like an explosion, a smoke screen if you will.

It has to be the ninjas BF says are waiting in the wings... the white dragon socitey strikes again :)

PVM


Fullford said it was a disagreement between the Pentagon of the USA and the NeoCon run secret government headed by the banking cartel and Millitary Industrial complex.

Fullford stated that the Pentagon did the nuking with the statement "you are not safe in your bunkers, don't go depopulating the planet, cause you'll die with the rest of us".




"In a mad world only the mad are sane" Akira Kurosawa.

Cutting through the smoke my heart votes true



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7lV8Q79Yqk&feature=related

[Sierra]

Sierra, would you care to elaborate? Thanks.

I don't know about the 60,000 ... but a lot of interesting dots got connected for me on the financial side.

Sure onawah :) Someone else PM'd me as well, curious to know what I meant. I've never listened to Ben Fulford before, and given the amount of negative criticism I've heard directed towards him on the forum, I was surprised how intelligent I found him to be. It is a wild story though, but I see some connections between events I never saw before.

So, from a place of ignorance here are the dots I'd never heard before until listening to the interview between Wilcock and Fulford. Forgive me if I get stuff wrong, I'm deaf and there is nobody to lipread in this conversation:

Oh that hokey James Bond beginning ...

Introduction by David Wilcock:

It was the American military that destroyed the DUMBS in Virginia and Colorado
Independent contacts for both Ben and David confirmed the above statement
The implication of the above statement is that war is already occurring and the US military is actively fighting the NWO's plans to exterminate 90% of the human race
The NWO is not informing their members, they are no longer safe on earth or otherwise, without their DUMBs, that the playing field of extermination ...has been leveled. We die, you die ...

Ben Fulford speaks:

It is a battle for the dollar printing machine or the global money printing machine
History: Post WWII - Bretton Woods Accord, Britain, France and the US were given the right to control of the world's currency until 1994, and with that control, agreed to develop Aisa and Africa as well as rebuild Europe. They reneged on their promise, instead started a false flag cold war with Russia so as to spend the money, developing military capabilities.


When confronted by this betrayal of the Bretton Woods accord, 77 non-aligned nations pooled their assets, global collateral accounts, to start a Marshall Plan for Asia and Africa
Kennedy agreed to go along with the new Marshall plan, when he found out a group wanted to <couldn't understand the video at this point but the gist was Kennedy figured out it was a fake cold war for military development>
Passed a law Hilton Green Memorial financial ?
President Sukarno of Indonesia signatory (70 country accord) gave 140,000 tons of gold to Kennedy
Kennedy passed a law allowing Congress to create dollars, not the Federal Reserve ...
Let's develop poor countries, go to the moon instead of spending money on the fake cold war
Kennedy was asassinated, Sukarno hounded from office


1994, the international agreement of Bretton Woods as to who controls the printing of money expired
That is why they wound down the Soviet Union Cold war, no point once they no longer controlled the printing for war tech
No new international agreements who was to take over control of printing money
China, etc. pressuring the Oligarchs, re the financial system, printing press
The Court of Justice in the Hague sued by China, over gold that the Fed Reserve owed China. Fed Reserve lost the case and were to hand the gold over on Sept 12, 2011, instead they gave the world the finger and started the huge fake war on global terror on Sept 11,2011


Fascists (Post WWII Nazis, sympathizers in Congress and the Vatican etc.) think too many brown people are living etc. want to reduce the population by 90% and hide in DUMBS while they set off the nuclear holocaust (Iran and Israel), use that as an excuse for martial law and then go to war with China
Russia blew this plan out of the water when Putin took back Russia and reasserted independence, took back control of the Russian oil industries (oil dependence of US is a big factor in bringing the US down)
China quit buying US treasury bills for awhile to put pressure on the American Illuminati
US started to suck up to China (Obama in 2009) and offer to share the wealth in partnership


The Cabal (that carried out the 911 attack) is being isolated, cut off and is running out of money
The Pentagon is not controlled by the Cabal, therefore 2.3 trillion dollars to Blackwater, create an elite "SS core" that could bully the regular military
Fulford et.al. contacted by drug smuggler double agents (CIA, NSA, Asian Secret Societies, the White Dragon, the White Hats etc.) (drugs are a money making machine for the Cabal) all have the same goal, get this insane Cabal out of power
Wilcock wants to know why Fulford is the only one talking about this stuff
Fulford's answer: Need for secrecy - much assasination of the white hats by the Cabal, six attempts on Fulford, list of very recent attacks on members of Fulford's group ...
Fulford, fluent in Japanese, Forbes editor background gives him an insider position - Fulford is a voice for Japanese societies fighting the takeover by the Cabal ...


Japan has 8 trillion dollars worth of assets. This money could be loaned out for:
400 billion to end environmental destruction (annual budget UN developmental report - public domain)
200 billion end poverty (same)
8 trillion is vastly more than needed to end heal environmental destruction and poverty
90% of the worlds savings sucked out of the system by the US military machine - public record military does not produce trade goods, parasite on US economy, a parasite that other countries do not have
Assasination order against Fulford, South Korean secret police informed Chinese government, Moscow bureau chief shot nine times, ambulance hour later, elevator in hospital 8 minutes, died. He was investigating what Fulford was researching. Fulford is telling Asia the war on terror is a waste of money, the Cabal sends out a hit order, Chinese secret society offers Fulford protection against the Cabal and that is how he is involved in the secret financial battle between the Cabal and the non-aligned nations


2006 China tried to buy oil company Uni-Cal, US Congress passed a law, said they could not, China went to Africa, South America and spent their money on real products (mines, agricultural land, commodities)
The cabal tried to retaliate by jacking up oil and food product prices (hunger riots all over the world, 32 countries). World Bank economist says the reason farmers were going hungry because they were paying farmers to grow oil rather than food


Lehman crisis after 2008: Japanese exports Oct/Nov 2008 after Lehman crisis 76% drop in Japanese exports to US. The US can NO LONGER use US paper money to buy products from the rest of the world. You have to use real things, not fake voodoo financial products. Look at the import/export statistics after the Lehman shock. Look at Baltic Dry Index, the price of shipping, prices for shipping drops 90% after the Lehman shock, public record information. Ships are no longer going to the US full of stuff, and are leaving empty.


Getting back to the DUMBS: This group is running out of money, trying to export money from various countries
Norway attack on Youth Group of ruling party - trying to bully the Norwegians to give the Cabal 1.5 trillion (not sure I heard trillion or million?) dollar oil fund
Invaded and took over Libya for the oil fields (again, Libya refused the US paper money for oil)
CIA drug smuggling division, been smuggling drugs to Japan for 70 years, told Fulford a nuclear bomb had been shipped in with their regular marijuana shipment to Okinawa, smuggling drugs is one thing, nuclear bombs is another, told police, told Fulford, followed bomb to N. Korean Citizen's Headquarters in Tokyo
Independent verification from Paul Lame(?) four nuclear weapons stolen from sunken Russian submarine, source of bomb smuggled into Japan
Drilling at exact epicenter of earthquake (Jan 17th article before the disaster) that messed up Fukishima, the Cabal took the bomb down into the sea bay, with the drill, threatened to nuke Tokyo (30 million) if they did not pay blackmail, Japanese Prime Minister handed over two trillion yen and they gave him a big bribe ...


The evidence this was not a natural disaster began pilling up ... (sharp seismic shock, sudden explosion, same with underground bases in Colorado and Virginia, no buildup that you find in a natural earthquake)
Something was put in the Fukishima reactor a month before the attack, did they say petroleum? in reactor #3
Stock prices on Japanese company, Fugashi(sp?) that builds cheap temporary shelters, began shooting up a month before the attack, doesn't make sense for stock to shoot up like that, given aging population of Japan
Conversation recorded between Kurt Campbell, deputy foreign minister, March 9th, with Japanese powerbroker, Ichiro Ozawa, Campbell asks Ozawa not to split the ruling party and force the creation of a new government, and gave him the rights to the use of zeolite in Fukishima and zeolite is used to clean up nuclear poison, big profits. This conversation was recorded two days before the attack
A message from Israeli leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, after the attack, we will cause other nuclear disasters in Japan if you do not start handing over the money - Isreali company in charge of security at Japanese nuclear plant Fukishima (confirmed by other sources) ... clique at the top of the Israeli government is with the Cabal, not Israel itself, this is not a Jewish thing (most Israelis are chumps, victims of their government, like most Americans are and would be appalled to hear what their government is up to)


Cabal trying to start war between Iran and Israel to start the nuclear holocaust, Cousin of the Shah of Iran said George Bush gave 12 neutron bombs to Iran (neutron bombs destroy life, but not infrastructure) . Iran took the bombs to the Iraq border, asked Obama to take the bombs back, and Obama refused to listen.
The etymology of the word Religion = Rebind = Fascio = Fascism = Control ... in the Middle Ages if you didn't believe and confess the Catholic doctrine, you and your entire family were killed. Nowadays, it is much more sophisticated, but they still want people to believe the same thing. Five companies control all the media, but since 911, they are losing the grip on the mass collective thought...


Military knew that the plan to kill 90% of the human race is wrong so they blew up the DUMBs that the elite were going to hide in during the killing times.
The Cabal is cut off from the control of money (their achilles heel) because no one is accepting US dollars anymore, 800 US military bases around the world to support without a mechanism of payment. If they can't make the payroll, no food for the soldiers, cut off from oil, other resources. The US army is dependent upon Wall St. financing, and ultimately dependent on Chinese and the Asians who are financing Wall St.


Fulford told the Pentagon you can have a star ship future if you work with us, you can be the good guys again, and a lot of them said, yes, we want to be the good guys again... (6,000 patents for advanced products, hidden as Top Secret)
The army is about the only entity that has the tools, factories, the staff who could put this stuff in production
The Cabal, who considers themselves the elite, want to rule as God Kings, want brain washed control over the planet, and rather than lose control, wants to kill 90% of the race, useless eaters, improve eugenics, keep only 500,000,000 people as their feudal slaves ... nature and national parks were a big part of the Nazi agenda (See Georgia Guidestones)


Wilcock: Incredible sense of futility the world is controlled by the Elite
Fulford: Simply not the case, they only control the G5 now, Italy, France, England, Germany, the US. Maybe Honduras, Columbia ... Most of Asia, Russia, China, Africa are no longer controlled ... 57 countries met in Monaco to discuss a boycott against the G5, more than 80 countries signed on.
According to two witnesses, Rockefeller tried to crash the meeting and was rejected, at the same time copters were chased away by Harrier military jets ... (Titanic had on board financiers, wanting to shut down the Federal Reserve)
It can't be hidden much longer despite the five company control of the media. It is coming down to the truth exposed ... or one more false flag event of an alien invasion.
It is NOT a global economic crash! The world is booming except for the G5 cabal!


Von Braun on his deathbed, they will use a fake alien invasion to commit genocide
The Bilderberg group meeting cancelled two days before scheduled close, a Swiss tried to join the meeting was beaten up and thrown out, complained this was illegal action towards a Swiss citizen, the Bilderberg group left before they were to be arrested by the Swiss.
The Pentagon was also present at the 57 country member meeting. All the Joint chief of staff are with this group of 80 countries now, except for General Petraeus and one other general. The lower level military are pissed off and are support Ron Paul.
Kissinger, Bush Sr. and Jr., Wolfowitz, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice - crazy plan to take over the world, the world's oil, control it in the 21st century.
All the media in the US controlled - How many major networks or Hollywood studios have come out with the truth about 911? None. They are controlled.
Global Collateral Account which is a code book: Shows who has been using the world's money since the end of WWII and for what reason, list of names etc. lots of people abandoning the Cabal, like rats leaving the sinking ship, this is the biggest thing we've ever seen, the downfall of a Cabal that has controlled humanity for thousands, the end of Babylonian tyranny.
Pentagon white hats said if you are going to destroy the surface of the planet you are not going to escape into DUMBS, you are going to die with us.


Monaco meeting of 57 nations, saw detailed maps of underground bunkers and plans to kill 90% of humanity, now out in the open to world leaders outside the G5
The 80 nations (57 original and others who joined) are willing to cut a deal, stop with the terror, control of the world, we'll do a reconciliation instead of thousands of arrests and trials, one time forgiveness.
Timeline, early as this fall, late as next summer, hearing we are pretty close now.
If the 80 get what they want, what next? Common sense, we have the technical capacity to end environmental damage and poverty but not the will and institutions to do it, so cut out the fake war on terror and spend the money on fixing the planetary problems, then start telling the truth about our history, and start building new institutions that are fair with no more control by inbred family groups. We'll have hardship similar to what the Russians went through the end of the Soviet Union, but it will be followed by an era of prosperity and peace for all

So, in summary it seems:

The war on terror is fake
We are at war with other nations, and don't know it
The bombing of 911 was done by the Cabal (Kissinger, Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.) to avoid the Federal Reserve paying a huge sum of gold to China as directed by the International Court in Hague
Violence in Norway, Japan, Libya, Iraq etc. is either for oil or to bully nations to giving us money
The countries of the world know this now, and also know the Cabal plans/planned to murder them all
The countries of the world no longer accept US dollars in payment for oil and resources, and we are running out of capital or alternative methods of payment
The majority of the American military are against the plans of the Cabal, and blew up the DUMBs, saying we die, you die with us
The Cabal has been offered amnesty by the 80 nation group that includes the Pentagon/Joint Chiefs of Staff, if they would quit it with their stupid murderous selfish agenda

[Snowbird]

Tolec the Andromeda Council representative, interviewed by Alfred Webre, says (below) that energy weapons were used to destroy the remaining underground bases of the creatures. He does not state that the creatures were destroyed...just the underground bases.

I have heard him state that the Andromedans have removed the reptilians and their greys from our solar system. They were not killed but will not be allowed to re-enter again...hopefully ever. He also stated that they (Andromedans and company) were in the process of cleaning up the Earth. He was referring to the reptilians and greys that were still underground. I think that these underground reptilians and greys were also ushered out of our solar system.

I don't think that any humans were killed. It could be that the energy weapon immobilized the creatures until they could remove them through one of their elevators-to-the-sky.


Andromeda Council Update on Elenin, brown dwarf, Nibiru, earth changes, 4D Earth

Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
September 11, 2011

Andromeda Council & Virginia earthquake of August 23, 2011

During his ExopoliticsTV interview, Tolec states that the August 23, 2011 Virginia earthquake was not a tectonic event. Rather, Tolec states, the extremely shallow earthquake felt as far north as Ottawa, Canada was the result of Andromeda Council energy weapons directed at destroying remaining Orion grey and Draco reptilian underground bases under Washington, DC and adjacent areas.

Tolec’s statement regarding the Virginia earthquake is congruent with independent findings of journalist Robert M. Stanley.

In a statement to this reporter, Mr. Stanley indicates, “Here are 6 anomalies re: the DC earthquake that are fascinating. I suspect one or more of the underground cities around DC were blown up or sucked into a Stargate.”

Ref:

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/6-strange-anomalies-with-virginia.html

Mr. Stanley continues, “Unusually Shallow Depth: The initial hypocenter (depth) of the quake reported by the establishment media was, wait for it, wait for it, only 0.1 miles or about 528 feet (161 meters) deep. That's right, AFP announced the depth with certainty, "The Pentagon, the US Capitol and monuments in the nation's capital were all evacuated after the 5.9-magnitude quake, which was shallow with its epicenter only 0.1 miles underground." The depth was later adjusted to a more believable 3.7 miles (5.95 kilometers) beneath the surface. Still, shallow-focus quakes usually only occur in areas abundant in seismic activity, like the ring of fire. And the depths of those shallow-focus earthquakes are usually in the tens of kilometers deep. The Earth's crust in the Eastern U.S. where "the fault lines are more healed" is described by CBS News as "older and colder" than out West. Which, according to Wikipedia, means it should have been a deep-focus earthquake with a depth ranging from 300 to 700 kilometers. Certainly not one barely below the Earth's surface.

“Former White House Air Force One officer Wilbur Allen lived in the Philippines for many years and knows what a real earthquake feels like. He said that the recent DC quake felt more like a nuclear-level explosion.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/andromeda-council-update-on-elenin-brown-dwarf-nibiru-earth-changes-4d-earth

[onawah]

Has anyone seen any comparisons of the quakes in Virgina and Colorado to those caused by fracking?
Thanks to Sierra and Snowbird for their posts, which summed up these stories quite well.
I recommend taking with plenty of salt all around.

[Davidallany]

"In a mad world only the mad are sane" Akira Kurosawa.
I would like, if I may be allowed, to finish this unfinished statement,

"In a mad world only the mad are sane, because the true sane are demonized and depicted as mad."

[Lord Sidious]

"In a mad world only the mad are sane" Akira Kurosawa.
I would like, if I may be allowed, to finish this unfinished statement,

"In a mad world only the mad are sane, because the true sane are demonized and depicted as mad."

He made some brilliant films.
The japanese history/culture is fascinating.
Much like the various middle eastern ones.
I could spend a whole life just immersed in them.

[Pony Express]

This is one of the best posts I've seen on this site. In the months to come, we can take any one of these bullet points and research it for verification of history. Not all are perfectly true, of course, because human beings make mistakes. But if there is a kernel of truth in these points of interest, we have a base from which to study the current events of our time. Thanks for all the hard work you did putting this together.

Re: 60,000. The actual figure is not the issue. The issue is the fact that it happened at all. What kind of people build these underground complexes and why. And why would any kind of scuffle occur that would actually register as an "earthquake?" THAT is the issue.

[Daft Ada]

I really don't know what to make of this because when it was first announced that it had been nuked, people said they didn't believe it and then the net started to fill with "Proof" endless pictures of ground surfaces showing a deep underground explosion had taken place. But then a few days later it is suddenly announced that it wasn't a nuke after all, it was air pressure, so that knocked all the previous proof for six so what can we believe? I hate the thought of that many people dying, but I absolutely love the idea of the PTW being kicked in the butt and their bunkers being destroyed if indeed that is true.
Maybe it's nothing to do with that, maybe the PTW fell out with whatever aliens they have down there and killed the lot, that's worrying as there could be repetitions from their mates of world.

[onawah]

There is a request on the Divine Cosmos site not to post the updates as they are continuously being updated, but you can listen to the new interview with Fulford and see the updated notes from DW here:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

[Daft Ada]

I don't see any update after the one on the 21st?

[The One]

I am so glad you have posted this stuff onawah,especially as i know some of the stuff i post you are not to sure about.:cool:

[onawah]

I think there were some things there I had not seen before, but I could be wrong.
I'm trying to keep an open mind about this, but until there is more proof, my own personal take on this is still "undecided".
I know Bill Ryan has said that he thinks Fulford's sources are not reliable.
Case in point, the original story from Fulford that nukes were used, which really put me off. I don't think ETs would allow that to happen.
So why he said that, if his sources are so reliable, makes me wonder about the whole story.
Another thing that bothers me is that Fulford pins so much on the Cabal, meaning Kissinger, Bush, Rumsfeld, etc, but I think they are just pawns of even higher up individuals.
And so much that he has said before hasn't been confirmed.
But I would sure like to believe that TPTW really are in disarray and surrendering!

[Daft Ada]

I agree, In fact I am fairly sure I said as much in another thread earlier today so there must be more than one, I was saying about how everyone was presenting evidence in the form of pictures showing the sunken earth after the underground nukes went off to prove it was real, and then David announces that it was done with air pressure and made them all look stupid, so like you I don't know what to believe either mate.

[onawah]

This just out from Benjamin Fulford: Cabal Resorting to Desperate Tactics
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4

Thanks to Kauila.
Benjamin Fulford, 9-27-11…”Cabal resorting to desperate tactics as they try to prevent reboot of financial system…THEY WILL BE STOPPED”

Kauilapele’s Blog, September 26, 2011

http://benjaminfulford.net/2011/09/27/cabal-resorting-to-desperate-tactics-as-they-try-to-prevent-reboot-of-financial-system/

Cabal resorting to desperate tactics as they try to prevent reboot of financial system

by Benjamin Fulford, September 27, 2011 [that's Japan's date]

There are many signs available in both the corporate propaganda media and the people based independent media that some sort of end-game crisis is approaching for the criminal cabal in charge of the G7 countries and their shrinking coterie of slave states. With the Pentagon and the Russian military aligned against the cabal, their downfall is close. For that very reason the cabalists are attempting to stage some sort of game changing atrocity, probably in either the US or Europe.

One of the main battlegrounds is now the French banking system. French banks are the biggest lenders to Greece so a Greek default would also bring down the French banking system and hence the Euro. It is no wonder French banks are under speculative attack.

We are also witnessing, again available in the propaganda media, the spectacle of the IMF asking for and being denied, financing. Remember, the IMF was supposed to be the lender of last resort in the post-war financial system. There was supposed to be nothing above the IMF and yet here they are begging for money they will not get.

The fact of the matter is that the Khazarian cabal that attempted to start World War 3, kill 90% of humanity and then set up a totalitarian world government, is being increasingly isolated. The world is no longer accepting dollars or Euros printed by banks under the control of the genocidal cabal.

The battle over control of the financial system has become such that I can witness it first hand. Two personal acquaintances have gone to Japanese banks with US dollars in cash. One is a freemason, the other a legitimate businessman. The freemason had the serial numbers on his dollars checked and rejected while the businessman was able to exchange his dollars for yen after they checked the numbers.

Then there is the bank card for the White Dragon foundation. It is not accepted at Mitsubishi or Citibank ATMs but it is accepted at Mizuho or Sumitomo Bank ATMS. In theory all of these banks should accept it.

There has also been increased harassment directed at this writer. Last week he got a call from Paypal saying I could not access my account because two readers could not see the newsletter. Then the company in charge of IT for my Japanese language subscription blog refused to put up the blog or pass on subscription payments.

Also, once again, several of my associates report being approached by Cabal members with requests to make false testimony against me. They have also set up a system at the US airbase in Misawa, Japan, that automatically alerts monitors any time my voice, or that of a few White Dragon members known to the bad guys, are detected on a phone or on skype. Anybody using an internet café in my neighborhood now has to be fingerprinted as well. Too bad for them the White Dragon operates mostly on an analogue and not digital basis.

In Japan, meanwhile, the top agent for George Bush Senior and his genocidal cabal is now Deputy Finance Minister Eijiro Katsu. He is now the top cabal power broker in Japan and Prime Minister Noda is his slave, according to Japanese military intelligence. Katsu is allied with Japanese power broker Ichiro Ozawa and his fellow traitors in an attempt to loot the vast funds controlled by the Sokka Gakkai Budhist lay-group. Sokka head Daisaku Ikeda is in a coma and as a result there is a huge battle for control of his empire. Ikeda was a charismatic and powerful figure and all potential rivals for leadership have long since left his organization. The result is that now that he has become incapacitated, there is a battle for a headless but rich and powerful entity. The Nichiren Buddhist Temples will be contacting Sokka Gakkai leadership in an attempt to persuade them to return to the Nichiren fold following a schism in 1995. The Nichiren Buddhists support the White Dragon Society.

Also, the leaders of the Japanese Yakuza groups have, in exchange for a promise of immunity, agreed to provide testimony against George Bush Senior, J. Rockefeller and their flunkies about a series of political murders carried out at their behest both in Japan and overseas Bush flunky Richard Armitage has also privately approached a White Dragon Society member with an offer to testify against Bush and his CIA faction in exchange for immunity. Michael Green, Kurt Campbell and Gerald Curtis take note, you will go to jail soon unless you agree to testify as well.

There are also several senior members of the Bilderberger group who have now promised to work with the White Dragon Society in exchange for promises of immunity. These include Bilderberger head D’Avignon, media mogul Rupert Murdoch, former “black pope,” Peter Hans-Kolvenbach, Baron Thyssen and others. Dick Cheney has also put out feelers offering testimony in exchange for immunity.

This week promises to be eventful as the September 30 accounting deadline arrives and senior cabalists scramble to make payments. As always, we warn people not to under-estimate these snakes. They will do all they can to destroy the world rather than set humanity free. THEY WILL BE STOPPED.

[onawah]

I started another thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31358-Updates-from-David-Wilcock-Ben-Fulford&p=319397#post319397
with today's update from Ben Fulford.
Perhaps these threads should be merged.

[the trojan]

wow,its like a james bond movie or enter the dragon
and its nearing the end of the movie.......

[Aryslan]

Why can't people see that this is all disinfo crap. Use discernment folks. Pretty much all that Fulford posts is fantasy, and Mr. Ego is right there beside him. Far as I'm concerned, it's about as credible as any of Scorcha Faal's "information".

[onawah]

You may be right, Aryslan, and the jury is still out as far as I am concerned and other members, but David Wilcock is not a complete idiot, nor is Ben Fulford.
If it really were all Sorcha Faal, I probably wouldn't pay any attention at all, and I never would have posted anything, but that's not really the case here.
We will only know in hindsight what is truth and what is fiction. Most likely it is some of both.
But I think there is a certain learning process that goes with paying attention to how this all unfolds, if we are really paying attention.
I think it's likely that we're getting better at discerning intuitively what is BS as time goes on, which is a good thing, because the news and theories about the news can change from day to day.
I'm not swallowing any of it whole, but I am sifting through what I and other members are observing from other news sources to see what tallies up.

It also seems it might be significant that Bill Ryan and others are feeling unease about the West Coast just when Fulford has said that TPTW are hot for revenge just now, and the Canary Islands are quaking.
If so , we need to be alert and sending calming energy and Light there.

[ThePythonicCow]

I started another thread at
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31358-Updates-from-David-Wilcock-Ben-Fulford&p=319397#post319397
with today's update from Ben Fulford.
Perhaps these threads should be merged.
Ok - for better or worse - those two threads are now merged - into this one.

[daledo]

Why can't people see that this is all disinfo crap. Use discernment folks. Pretty much all that Fulford posts is fantasy, and Mr. Ego is right there beside him. Far as I'm concerned, it's about as credible as any of Scorcha Faal's "information".

Maybe it is all made up or maybe it is all true or maybe it is a mix of truth and made up crap. I hope it is all true because the visualization of a bunch of ninjas kicking some NWO @ss just sounds cool :cool: And it will make for a killer movie too lol

[Calz]

The charts on the Virginia and Colorado quakes are certainly suspect. Other abnormalities exist (distance people felt it etc).

If there is any "proof" beyond those I have not heard ... and anything beyond that is clearly speculation at this point.

Fun to think about but expect there is a fair amount of "wishful thinking" included.

IMHO

[etheric underground]

60,000 a mere smidgen people.
I researched a story I had heard about once that claimed the police and other factions
in the U.S were suppressing the true number of children that are reported missing every
year and are never seen again. I did not believe the actual number .....but a few years ago
when they were still publicly displaying the statistics ( pretty sure it was 2005) I was horrified.
It was 1 million children, I will say that again ......1000000(1 million)
I kid you not. NOW THAT IS A STAGGERING NUMBER that no one would believe, but it is correct.
That was 6 years ago. They stopped publicising the statistics because it is an abomination.
If they can murder, rape, kidnap, take off world for food,go under ground for experiments, become
mind control sex slaves etc etc without the public doing anything or even knowing what the hell is happening to the
helpless children in america. The above story would be nothing to cover up in comparison

[jcocks]

60,000 a mere smidgen people.
I researched a story I had heard about once that claimed the police and other factions
in the U.S were suppressing the true number of children that are reported missing every
year and are never seen again. I did not believe the actual number .....but a few years ago
when they were still publicly displaying the statistics ( pretty sure it was 2005) I was horrified.
It was 1 million children, I will say that again ......1000000(1 million)
I kid you not. NOW THAT IS A STAGGERING NUMBER that no one would believe, but it is correct.
That was 6 years ago. They stopped publicising the statistics because it is an abomination.
If they can murder, rape, kidnap, take off world for food,go under ground for experiments, become
mind control sex slaves etc etc without the public doing anything or even knowing what the hell is happening to the
helpless children in america. The above story would be nothing to cover up in comparison

I'd be willing to bet there's been an ongoing war occurring under our feet for many more years than is widely accepted - dulce anyone?

the total number of dead from the "war" would be more than 60,000... I think, if the truth of our whole situation ever comes out, we are going to be shocked to the core. Nothing will prepare us for the actual truth. Nothing. Not even our so-called "insider" information. The real story is so much more complicated it's hard to believe.

[teddyc1]

Well, it's an amazing story, and I agree with others here, that the figure of 60,000 is not a huge amount. ESPECIALLY if those people had already FAKED THEIR OWN DEATHS in order to scurry into their rat-holes.

However, I smell something else below the surface here. An end to tyrrany, peace and prosperity for all, sack the old guard, etc. It sounds to me like a perfect opportunity for bad guys to be replaced by WORSE guys. Kind of like what's happened to Egypt recently, but on a larger scale.

I decided to begin a little checking, to see if Ben Fulford's story is really connecting any dots.
As far as I can see, the parts of Ben Fulford's story which seem to be checking out ok in online sources so far:

Blackwater exists:
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/90382/erik-prince-blackwater-proof-that-the-free-market-works.htm

China apparently did disagree with the G2 proposition:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-11/18/content_8998039.htm

Minot Air Force Base incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident

One account of Von Braun:
http://www.rense.com/general77/vbraun.htm

A Carol Rosin account of von Braun:
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/dr-carol-rosin-the-illuminists-progression-of-hoaxes-terrorists-rogue-nations-asteriods-and-the-last-card-will-be-the-extra-terrestrial-threat/

Gary McKinnon hacker story:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2005/jul/09/weekend7.weekend2


So, I suggest we check into the main points which he made, and see if they can be verified. Especially if, as he said, they are public knowledge.

[Pete]

I have to say I want it to be true. In my time line the white dragons and white hats are working with good et's to bring about our freedom and allow us to evolve into a abundant and fulfilling world where everyone can lead the life they dream of and human kind will venture forth into cosmos to discover and learn of the the infinite possibilities open to us.

So that's what's happening in my world........ok!

The Russians also confirm that the sound recorded at the baseball match was very similar to the sound of air venting from underground tunnels, based upon their own experience in tunnel construction....it works for me.

[Calz]

I have to say I want it to be true. In my time line the white dragons and white hats are working with good et's to bring about our freedom and allow us to evolve into a abundant and fulfilling world where everyone can lead the life they dream of and human kind will venture forth into cosmos to discover and learn of the the infinite possibilities open to us.

So that's what's happening in my world........ok!

The Russians also confirm that the sound recorded at the baseball match was very similar to the sound of air venting from underground tunnels, based upon their own experience in tunnel construction....it works for me.

Would you happen to have a link to the Russian "confirmation"???

[onawah]

The parts of the story I would have to see verified before I'm a believer would have to come from some other, reliable whistleblowers. I don't think anything is going to be coming from mainstream news.
TPTW would certainly want to cover up any evidence of a defeat.
No doubt Bill Ryan will let us know if he hears anything, but I'm sure he's not holding his breath.
If Fulford and Wilcock really want to make believers of the many skeptics who must be out there, they are going to have to come up with something more than "sources who cannot be identified".
My feeling is that as long as Wilcock is making money with his new book, etc., he's not going to go out of his way to provide any more proof, though his reputation as a pyschic would certainly benefit.
Fulford could certainly benefit though, if he come up with something really tangible and verifiable.
It's awfully quiet though, as far as this story goes.
I would think there would be lots of reports coming in, considering the significance if it's true.

[THIRDEYE]

i happen to agree with pandis...where would they hide thre deaths or will they be intombed in the blast radious..and of courde what about the families?.....how come theres been no news coverage...light love and abundance...thirdeye.....

[Davy]

if, what Ben Fulford is saying is true or even close, than this is the beginning for change! This would open up a world we have never seen. Truth on all things would have to come to light and the controlled media would be brought down and replaced with Media that tells the truth! Technology That would change our World and way of thinking would be released and Wars would end because the wars are all in vain any way just to benifit the Agendas of the Elite! With them being gone then we could really be able to start moving into a time of peace, prosperity, love and understanding that we have never known. I can only say I hope He is telling the truth.

[Anno]

code red!

supposedly if true(!) this is allegedly being suppressed on 'both ends' nevertheless because of the intel's implications (?)[...]

I have a question: If something that is "supposedly, if true, allegedly" real equals a code red, won't you run out of colours before you get anywhere near the truth?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


if, what Ben Fulford is saying is true or even close[...]

Ben Ful(l of it)ford wouldn't know the truth if an angry badger attacked him in the street and tattooed it to his face. Allegedly, if true, maybe, possibly, perhaps, if at all. So I heard, anyway.

[onawah]

The only article I've seen about Russian confirmation was the Sorcha Faal story, which we can pretty safely write off as being completely disinfo.


I have to say I want it to be true. In my time line the white dragons and white hats are working with good et's to bring about our freedom and allow us to evolve into a abundant and fulfilling world where everyone can lead the life they dream of and human kind will venture forth into cosmos to discover and learn of the the infinite possibilities open to us.

So that's what's happening in my world........ok!

The Russians also confirm that the sound recorded at the baseball match was very similar to the sound of air venting from underground tunnels, based upon their own experience in tunnel construction....it works for me.

Would you happen to have a link to the Russian "confirmation"???

[teddyc1]

i happen to agree with pandis...where would they hide thre deaths or will they be intombed in the blast radious..and of courde what about the families?.....how come theres been no news coverage...light love and abundance...thirdeye.....

Well, IF it's true, the 60,000 already said bye-bye to their families just to GET THERE to the DUMBs... through faked deaths or whatever.

No news coverage? IF there IS a Cabal which owns the 5 main news outlets, why would it benefit the Cabal to publicly admit defeat on this or any matter? Does anyone really expect them to come out on the news and say, "Well, there we were minding our own business, hiding in bunkers, ready to kill 90% of the world, when BOOM something blew up our very expensive bunker! Those bastards! Send 'em to jail! There oughta be a law!"

And... about the "sunken earth" pictures - they would appear the same whether the blast was achieved by nuclear means, OR compressed-air whatever wacky technology.

Nevertheless: There are no "good" ETs. If the White Hats are winning against the Cabal, that basically amounts to HUMANS getting a conscience and fighting against humans who haven't recovered theirs yet.

Yet, I'm not sure I'd trust the white hats either. They might be the underdogs right now, "good guys" trying to take down "the bad guys," but what happens to their good intentions after they win? Didn't the "bad guys" have good intentions at some point in their lives?

Everyone was a child once; but, choices make the man.

Ps. 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Pr. 29:25 The fear of man brings a snare: but whoso puts his trust in YHWH shall be safe.

^ that's a disclosure of MY belief. I'm sure plenty of others would disagree, and they're entitled to that. But I have my reasons.

[teddyc1]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

Some info on this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30941-The-ET-Disclosure-War-NWO-Bunker-Destruction-Explained-In-Depth..-

Just because it's not nuclear doesn't mean it's aliens. See the full comment here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30941-The-ET-Disclosure-War-NWO-Bunker-Destruction-Explained-In-Depth..-&p=321886&viewfull=1#post321886).

[kouby]

Sorry but a story being pushed by mister David "end of the world is for the year 2000" Wilcock and mister Benjamin "i'm the spokesman for the most secret and powerful of all secret societies on youtube" Fulford is really hard to believe.

[Snowbird]

I just finished listening to the 3rd interview of Tolec, the Andromeda Council human representative by Alfred Webre. Tolec stated during this interview that there were no nukes involved and that they used highly focused pinpointed sonic energy beam blasts. I have posted the link to the YT interview and the transcript for your viewing and reading pleasure.

This interview information really knocked my socks off. If this information is true (put on your discernment cap) we are in for some exciting times in the near future!!


Andromeda Council - Transformation to a 4th dimensional Earth Life

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Andromeda Council: Molecular & Cellular Transformation to a 4D Earth

Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
September 30, 2011

Regarding the specific key aspects of life on 4th dimensional Earth, the Andromeda Council representative stated, “Again, the most important thing to realize is that this coming transformation, this transition, from 3D human to 4D human will be smooth, ‘seamless’, painless. Again, there is no death involved. This experience will be a simple transformation of cellular structure from the slower, denser, heavier, existing 3D vibratory rate you have today, to a higher, faster 4D vibratory rate. You will have a body that is taller, literally lighter in terms of mass, weight & density, and lighter in terms of being infused with light.

“And in the cleanup process down on Earth, various affiliated Andromeda Council races, especially those from Procyon, used highly focused sonic energy beams to bust-up & collapse underground bases including the ones around your nation’s capital leading up to the hills in Virginia, ones in Colorado, and northern New Mexico. Again, these were highly focused, pinpointed, sonic energy beam blasts meant to cripple the tunnel systems & underground bases where the Greys & Reptilians have been hiding. They had been warned many, many times to leave, and didn’t. So, a positive intervention. My contacts called these tunnels & base a “lattice network”. They’re destroyed, collapsed & inoperable... and closed off. These were not nuclear blasts. They said, and I quote: “ we would never used nuclear weapons, we don’t need to. We are far beyond this kind of technology. Moreover, use of nuclear weapons would absolutely endanger the lives of the people on the planet surface. And, even worse, nuclear radiation is poisonous to all humans, to all life on Earth. These were not nuclear weapons but highly focused, pin-pointed, sonic energy beam blasts.”

“The Andromeda Council’s goal is to eliminate as many of these remaining ‘rats under the wood pile’ as soon as possible... before your migration & complete immersion into the 4th dimensional area of space. As I’ve mentioned, we are about 90-92% complete in the wrapping up of the ‘cleanup’ phase of the last holdouts of these Grey & Reptilian menaces here on Earth.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/andromeda-council-transformation-to-a-4th-dimensional-earth-life

[DNA]

You know, I'm sure I may come off selective in where I choose my crazy sources, but as much as I love Wilcock and Fullford and some other folks who wish to contribute to this story, none make me cringe and wish they weren't on my side as much as this Andromaden Council stuff.

It's like being in a debate with sane folks who are giving good argument for their case and then having the most rediculous person you can imagine sound off in your defense and the folks you are debating with give you the raised eyebrows as if to say "is this representitive of who believe in what your talking about?" to which you realize now you've lost the arguement thanks to this,,,,ahem,,,,thanks but no thanks,,"help".


On another note, Asrid posted a thread with this video.
Her thread isn't dealing with the questions we are asking in this thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfmAZi5Z88&feature=player_embedded

Are these mysterious booms a continuation of this underground war we have been hearing about?


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_area51/tunnels_aliens.gif

[Humble Janitor]

I'm not sure how plausible this story is because I've listened to Wilcock's B.S so many times that it's practically tabloid fodder to me. Ditto on Fulford.

[onawah]

Since some kind of sonic weaponry is what Wilcock ended up saying was causing the DUMBs to explode, this video seems like it might be corroborative evidence.
I understand what you are saying about all three sources, but if there is evidence that adds up, then there might be something to this, but obviously more evidence is needed before any conclusions can be drawn.
It's still pretty mysterious, alright.



On another note, Asrid posted a thread with this video.
Her thread isn't dealing with the questions we are asking in this thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gfmAZi5Z88&feature=player_embedded

Are these mysterious booms a continuation of this underground war we have been hearing about?


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_area51/tunnels_aliens.gif

[DNA]

Since some kind of sonic weaponry is what Wilcock ended up saying was causing the DUMBs to explode, this video seems like it might be corroborative evidence.
I understand what you are saying about all three sources, but if there is evidence that adds up, then there might be something to this, but obviously more evidence is needed before any conclusions can be drawn.
It's still pretty mysterious, alright.


Oh yea, for sure with the Tennessee video talking about the rumblings. I wasn't disparaging the folks talking about the rumblings in Tennesse, on the contrary, I was offering it up as possible unsubstantive correlating data that pinged if you will.

And I have no problem with Scaler Weopons being discussed as possible culprits in the incident discussed by Fullford and Wilcock, quite the contrary I posted this thread three days before the east coast earth quakes took place AC Griffith - Scaler Weopons - Russia Attacking the USA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28364-AC-Griffith-Scaler-Weopons-Russia-Attacking-the-USA) and then commented on how this is the kind of weoponery that could have caused it.

[gooty64]

Has anybody seen Oprah since the incident?
I recently dreamt that Oprah would emerge from the underground bunkers with long hair and become the new leader of the Earth after the apocalypse.
I'm just saying...

[Snowbird]

About a decade or so ago, someone explained to me that there is a shadow government here in the U.S. and black ops projects that have been siphoning off billions of our taxes for decades. At the time, because I did not have first-hand information about this issue, I thought that they were nuts. It was simply too over-the-top for me at the time. Now? It's pretty much standard news.

When we all first heard about off-planet beings and civilizations being real, there was a degree of fear because of the information that we have been fed for so many years, that they are all out to get us. But we've had enough time now to learn and understand that they are really real and that there are a few isolated civilizations that have done lasting harm to our Earth and our people. What we now need to look at are those coalitions of off-planet civilizations that have agreed to come together as councils or collectives with intentions of helping us disentangle our own global civilization from the advanced and powerful ancient off-planet beings who have been ruling our own civilization for over 10,000 Earth years. This is a huge job. The people of our Earth can't do this. Our global governments and many military leaders are controlled by these ancient malevolent influences. We don't have the advanced technologies and/or understanding of off-planet civilizations to carry this through. There has to be a degree of trust that allows this huge task to be performed in order to free us. Our Earth is sitting on the cusp of becoming a member of those councils or collectives. We are being offered this opportunity.

There exist white-hats in the military and the government, who are working toward our real freedom. But even these do not have access to technologies that are needed. How do they go about cleaning out the underground tunnels of Orion greys and Draco reptilians that we know exist down there? Dulce is located btw, in northern New Mexico, one of the clean-out sites that was rocked.

[DNA]

About a decade or so ago, someone explained to me that there is a shadow government here in the U.S. and black ops projects that have been siphoning off billions of our taxes for decades. At the time, because I did not have first-hand information about this issue, I thought that they were nuts. It was simply too over-the-top for me at the time. Now? It's pretty much standard news.

When we all first heard about off-planet beings and civilizations being real, there was a degree of fear because of the information that we have been fed for so many years, that they are all out to get us. But we've had enough time now to learn and understand that they are really real and that there are a few isolated civilizations that have done lasting harm to our Earth and our people. What we now need to look at are those coalitions of off-planet civilizations that have agreed to come together as councils or collectives with intentions of helping us disentangle our own global civilization from the advanced and powerful ancient off-planet beings who have been ruling our own civilization for over 10,000 Earth years. This is a huge job. The people of our Earth can't do this. Our global governments and many military leaders are controlled by these ancient malevolent influences. We don't have the advanced technologies and/or understanding of off-planet civilizations to carry this through. There has to be a degree of trust that allows this huge task to be performed in order to free us. Our Earth is sitting on the cusp of becoming a member of those councils or collectives. We are being offered this opportunity.

There exist white-hats in the military and the government, who are working toward our real freedom. But even these do not have access to technologies that are needed. How do they go about cleaning out the underground tunnels of Orion greys and Draco reptilians that we know exist down there? Dulce is located btw, in northern New Mexico, one of the clean-out sites that was rocked.

You are excellent in conveying your thoughts. You are sober and pretty realistic. You do an excellent job of staying on point.
You are very easy to read. I thank you for such a wonderfull response.

I have no problem in believing ETs exist.
I'm a huge Wendelle Stevens fan and base most of my decisions regarding ETs on the data he has provided with his contact books.
These contact books are incredibly well written and Wendelle almost always goes to the scene of the what happened and does an excellent job corroborating the story like he was born to be a journalist.

I just have issues with channelled material.
I have problems trusting the individual presenting the data.
If he is talking to folks that wish to give validation that they were involved in said incident, then why didn't they give the information before it was done, thus giving validation to the messenger?

Thanks for your response Snowbird

[Snowbird]

You are excellent in conveying your thoughts. You are sober and pretty realistic. You do an excellent job of staying on point.
You are very easy to read. I thank you for such a wonderfull response.

I have no problem in believing ETs exist.
I'm a huge Wendelle Stevens fan and base most of my decisions regarding ETs on the data he has provided with his contact books.
These contact books are incredibly well written and Wendelle almost always goes to the scene of the what happened and does an excellent job corroborating the story like he was born to be a journalist.

I just have issues with channelled material.
I have problems trusting the individual presenting the data.
If he is talking to folks that wish to give validation that they were involved in said incident, then why didn't they give the information before it was done, thus giving validation to the messenger?

Thanks for your response Snowbird

Thanks for the great compliment DNA. I wish that my thought patterns were at all times lucid.

Believe it or not, I agree with you. There are channelers and then there are channelers. Unfortunately, they reside in the same arena. I'm watching the messages of this Tolec and am cataloging these messages in my library-brain area...watching and waiting.

Even when there are cases of visitations such as The Friendship Case, giovanni's post # 448 on this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=223551&highlight=friendship+group#post223551 , not referring to you, but people have a very hard time believing that these types of visitors exist. It is even more difficult to accept the validity of a message that comes through another human. That's understandable. There are many opportunities for human technological control.

However, we have all felt, sensed and known in our guts that something big is coming. I think that this something is going to be an entire change accompanied by some really interesting surprises. All we have to do is to continue to piece together the puzzle and figure out where we are headed. :nod:

[onawah]

DNA, if by channeled material, you are referring to Teloc, technically that was not channeled material, it was from experiences he claimed he had while lucid dreaming or astral travel.
Personally, it all sounded much too naive and too good to be true for me, but I got interested in this topic because there have been enough other sources with similar conclusions, and intuitively, I could not totally dismiss the possibility there was some truth in the stories.

There have been channelers who have said that the Reptilians and Greys that were underground have been leaving of their own accord for some time due to pressure from the benevolent ETs. Some whistleblowers have corroborated this.
Telco said that the DUMBs in question were targeted because many of the last malingerers were concentrated there.
It was implied that those particular targets were so crucial to the whole underground operation that it would put their plans in total disarray for some time, at least, so that, presumably, not much more on the order of that attack would be necessary, and many more would now surrender or leave.
Whether the tunnels are being shut down would be another key factor, certainly, but I haven't seen much evidence on that as yet either.
Though the sonic booms that people are reporting is certainly very interesting.

Whether any conclusions can be drawn, of course, remains to be seen.
Considering how ruthless TPTW are, I think we have been getting some help from benevolent ETs, otherwise I think things would be much worse on planet Earth by now.
I think the ETs are very cautious about allowing us to become too dependent on them, but I have a hard time understanding their guidelines.
I think some of them are more willing to become involved, while other do not want to risk lowering their own vibrational level by doing so, and so are keeping their distance and taking only what action they deem necessary.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[Snowbird]

Below is the update to David Wilcock's online article about this/these explosions.


UPDATE WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2011

IT WAS NOT A NUCLEAR ATTACK

I am happy to report that the highest-level intelligence sources we have on this subject have now informed us that NO radioactivity was detected in either of the destroyed areas.

What they DID find is now considered a baffling mystery. I acknowledge in advance that this seems difficult to believe. They have now concluded that both bases were destroyed by an instantaneous twenty-fold increase in air pressure.

Let me spell it out for you in plain terms. There is nothing left in either of these areas. Everything in them has been crushed to tiny particles of rubble. There is no point in ever trying to access them again or redevelop. The damage is total.

No one knows how such an event is even possible. There is no record of any attack like this ever having been done before within the insider world.

Fulford's sources seem very clear about who did this and why it was done. Nonetheless, this attack does not resemble any known terrestrial technology -- regardless of how classified it may be.


THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ET-ASSISTED

Therefore, this may have been an ET-assisted attack -- consistent with the China's October Surprise series I've been documenting here.

It may be that a massive quantity of air was "portaled" into either base. Portal technology does exist, but it certainly has never before been used like this -- and it's not even clear how it could be done.

It is also possible that some unknown technology was used to expand the size of the air molecules within the bases by a factor of twenty.

Russian "scalar" technology can make things get much hotter or much colder, and can create destructive impulses, but there is no record of anything like this ever having been achieved.


PERSONNEL MAY HAVE BEEN SPARED

If ETs were responsible, and used advanced portal technology, it may also be that at least some, if not all of the personnel in these facilities were moved to a safe area before the attack was conducted.

If this is the case, none of them have been able to or allowed to make contact as of yet.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

[Daft Ada]

There's another update on it today, at the top not the end. http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

[jcocks]

SOunds good if he's right. I hope he is.

[Referee]

Here is another theory I cam across on this subject thought I should post for others to consider. I have no idea what to think about channeled info. I take it with a grain of salt. It is intersesting however. You will have to wait it is in a Q and A format this specific question is answered in around 7:48.


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[161803398]

Im changing my vote. I think this stuff is keeping people occupied while the rats steal all the cheese.

[efields]

Those are the Few you know of...... and what of the Non Americans?

[Lost Soul]

No, the real reason for the explosions was because I was testing out a new staff and it ''hiccupped''. Oops, my bad. :rolleyes:

Do you to testing on demand?;)

[Lifebringer]

It was the science of 1 million pounds of air pressure per inch to rupture the pressurized chamber and some of the "unknowing people, kept in the dark on separate technology, were simply put into safer hands, as the ptw are desperate and they have to be told what they were working on and what is actually happening around them, that they know not.

[eric charles]

60,000 people is very big number to go unnoticed!

Those people have families, friends relatives. I find very very hard to believe that something of this magnitude could be kept private!

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)

Bingo , you stole the words right out of my mouth .

This is classic Fullford , all B.s and no proof

[Eagle]

Ask yourself, to what end does this information give value, knowing that the bases were destroyed (or not) or that 60,000 died. Remember disinformation if just as real as the truth only more elaborate. :doh:

[KiwiElf]

(PS: I think this has been posted already but I could not find the thread...)


Up-to-date link is here under Forum/General Discussion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32458-Underground-Bases-Update-by-Wilcock-...

"60,000 people killed..." has already been retracted (it was not originally stated by Fulford as "Americans") - apparently no-one was killed. Take everything that is said with a grain of salt. That doesn't make it all untrue - the most recent post (around page 9) comes with some pretty good testimonials...


Bingo , you stole the words right out of my mouth . This is classic Fullford , all B.s and no proof

I'd say that applies to many topics discussed on Avalon... perhaps "believing is seeing," if you get my drift? ;)