More ''Racism'' Nuggetry

[Lord Sidious]

Check this nuggetry out avalonuggets.
It appears that the state of california is looking at passing some law that discriminates based on ethnicity and a group decided to protest this by holding a public event.
All this hoo ha shows us one thing, the madness continues.
And in the meantime, while these nuggets all fight over who gets the best tractor in the sandbox, the world turns to crap.
Divide and conquer for the win.


US students spark racism row with bake sale
A California students' group has sparked a racism and sexism row over plans for a bake sale in which people are charged according to their ethnic background and gender.

Campus Republicans at the University of California, Berkeley say critics have overreacted to their event planned for this week, which they insist is a protest over affirmative action.

The group's Facebook page lists the price of baked goods at the sale according to race: $2 for whites, $1.50 for Asians, $1 for Hispanics, $0.75 for blacks and $0.25 for Native Americans.

"$0.25 FOR ALL WOMEN!" it added.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-students-spark-racism-row-bake-sale-192617172.html;_ylt=AsBTxjtdrS76xqCWOKBVPXWr9HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTRoaDAwZzM4BGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2xyZX N0BG1pdANOZXdzIGZvciB5b3UEcGtnA2M0ZDhkZmI0LWJlZTItM2JhOS05YjI1LTk1YmY2NTU1NGJlMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDbmV3c1 9mb3JfeW91BHZlcgM4NDBkYzE0MC1lN2FjLTExZTAtYTFmNC1hMzFlNmQyODljMWM-;_ylg=X3oDMTM2azQyNTRoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYjY3YmJlZWUtMmY4OS0zMjg0LWI2MDctN2E1NTQwOT JjOTZkBHBzdGNhdANlbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3

[Calz]

Just saw that story too :)

Almost as amusing as the story itself was it appeared in CNN's "Ahead of the Curve the Next 7 Days" which lists "important" things to know ...

Shows where MSM is :lol:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/25/ahead-of-the-curve-the-next-7-days-49/?hpt=hp_c1

[Heyoka_11]

Sometimes the pendulum needs to be swung to it's opposite extreme in order for a point to be made. This however, is not a good example of effective pendulum swinging. Attempting to highlight racility inequality by creating racial inequality is just plain dumb. Well intentioned in all probablility, but just plain dumb.

It is akin to a riotous demonstration that calls for peace.

[Lord Sidious]

Sometimes the pendulum needs to be swung to it's opposite extreme in order for a point to be made. This however, is not a good example of effective pendulum swinging. Attempting to highlight racility inequality by creating racial inequality is just plain dumb. Well intentioned in all probablility, but just plain dumb.

It is akin to a riotous demonstration that calls for peace.

Or screwing for virginity.
They manage to use triggers to divert our attention and triggers that they have implanted in us through school, the media, music and so on.
Very cunning, but it is not as effective as it once was.

[modwiz]

Sometimes the pendulum needs to be swung to it's opposite extreme in order for a point to be made. This however, is not a good example of effective pendulum swinging. Attempting to highlight racility inequality by creating racial inequality is just plain dumb. Well intentioned in all probablility, but just plain dumb.

It is akin to a riotous demonstration that calls for peace.


Or screwing for virginity.
They manage to use triggers to divert our attention and triggers that they have implanted in us through school, the media, music and so on.
Very cunning, but it is not as effective as it once was.

How about bald faced lying because they believe we are that stupid. :wacko:

[Mike]

i'm sort of ambivalent about it all. affirmative action? its clearly unfair to whites but as a previous poster pointed out, the pendulum must be swung drastically at times to provide a sense of justice. i may not agree, but i can understand why it exists.

which is basically how i feel about the bake sale. yeah, its a little backwards, but clearly meant to be ironically humorous, clearly meant to be a little silly to demonstrate the silliness of what they feel is a queer sort of policy.

Sid, perhaps they should be selling chicken 'nuggets' instead? :lol: waddya think?

[Davidallany]

Or screwing for virginity. They manage to use triggers to divert our attention and triggers that they have implanted in us through school, the media, music and so on.
Very cunning, but it is not as effective as it once was.
My Lord, so true and wise. Even those still drowsy from years of coma like existence are tired of sleeping and are refusing the sneaky baits. All they have managed to do is increase the fire and the desire for unity.

[Lord Sidious]

i'm sort of ambivalent about it all. affirmative action? its clearly unfair to whites but as a previous poster pointed out, the pendulum must be swung drastically at times to provide a sense of justice. i may not agree, but i can understand why it exists.

which is basically how i feel about the bake sale. yeah, its a little backwards, but clearly meant to be ironically humorous, clearly meant to be a little silly to demonstrate the silliness of what they feel is a queer sort of policy.

Sid, perhaps they should be selling chicken 'nuggets' instead? :lol: waddya think?

The whole concept of ''affirmative action'' is ludicrous.
How do you make up for mistreatment of one group of people centuries later, by discriminating against a different group, not related to the original group and just causing resentment?
It isn't for the benefit of ''minorities'' it is for the benefit of the PTB to continue dividing us all.

[jagman]

This should be shone in all schools!!!!!
http://youtu.be/9NpSgjnqrPY

[Davidallany]

The whole concept of ''affirmative action'' is ludicrous.
How do you make up for mistreatment of one group of people centuries later, by discriminating against a different group, not related to the original group and just causing resentment?
It isn't for the benefit of ''minorities'' it is for the benefit of the PTB to continue dividing us all.
My Lord, this is exactly it, seeking retribution for things done generations ago is a great way to feed the cycle of conflict and revenge. People can smell what's cooking and the odor is not agreeable, for the meat is rotten and no spices can save it from getting thrown away.

[Heyoka_11]

This should be shone in all schools!!!!!
http://youtu.be/9NpSgjnqrPY

Here you go nugget! (Playing LS again)

9NpSgjnqrPY

I saw this years ago, and yes, it should be compulsory in schools (Mind you, I do have blue eyes)

[Mike]

i'm sort of ambivalent about it all. affirmative action? its clearly unfair to whites but as a previous poster pointed out, the pendulum must be swung drastically at times to provide a sense of justice. i may not agree, but i can understand why it exists.

which is basically how i feel about the bake sale. yeah, its a little backwards, but clearly meant to be ironically humorous, clearly meant to be a little silly to demonstrate the silliness of what they feel is a queer sort of policy.

Sid, perhaps they should be selling chicken 'nuggets' instead? :lol: waddya think?

The whole concept of ''affirmative action'' is ludicrous.
How do you make up for mistreatment of one group of people centuries later, by discriminating against a different group, not related to the original group and just causing resentment?
It isn't for the benefit of ''minorities'' it is for the benefit of the PTB to continue dividing us all.

as a white man it would be easy for me to agree w/you. if i were a man of color, however, i might disagree.

i think your question was a rhetorical one, but really: how DO you make up for mistreatment of 1 group of people centuries later?

you know, where i live there is a strong native american history and various native american territories, and relatively recently there was this question of: should the native americans pay tax on their sold cigarettes? people were writing into the local newspaper, furious!, claiming it was preposterous for them not to; and frankly i couldn't understand their rage. didn't we steal and pillage their lands, decimate their population and rape their women? have we not betrayed most if not all of our agreed upon treaties? letting them sell their cigarettes tax free seemed like a relatively small allowance given our relative histories, but no - people were insanely angry! and i thought they were insane for being insanely angry!

this is just 1 example. the concept of affirmative action IS ludicrous, but this is a period of overcompensation, of political correctness that is swinging the pendulum powerfully in the other direction, and it will inevitably end up in the middle i feel when the momentum and spirit of history allows it to - when its ready. until then we'll just have to endure the madness.

[Davidallany]

didn't we steal and pillage their lands, decimate their population and rape their women? have we not betrayed most if not all of our agreed upon treaties?
I think there is some confusion here, if I may say so, current generation is not responsible for the deeds of older generations, otherwise the cycle would continue by identifying with past events as current, which is not the case at all. There is only one direction, it's the present towards the desired future.

[Mike]

didn't we steal and pillage their lands, decimate their population and rape their women? have we not betrayed most if not all of our agreed upon treaties?
I think there is some confusion here, if I may say so, current generation is not responsible for the deeds of older generations, otherwise the cycle would continue by identifying with past events as current, which is not the case at all. There is only one direction, it's the present towards the desired future.

yes, i certainly see your point here, David. of course, we could go on all night debating who is and who isn't responsible, but we'd never arrive on common ground.

my position is that, as human beings, we are all responsible for everyone else - some maybe a little more responsible to certain others due to karmic dynamics. if my brother were to maim or kill one of your family members, i would feel very, very guilty. now logically, it may not make sense because technically i am innocent of the crime, but no doubt there would be a raw intrinsic guilt and shame that would defy even the most flawless of logical arguments to the contrary.

why? i'm not entirely sure. certain feelings do not lend themselves to a logical translation.

are these feelings right? are they wrong? i won't judge them here. i'll just say they simply ARE.

i'd hope that you wouldn't want to punish me for all eternity for a crime my brother had committed, yet i would also hope that there was something i could do to express my sorrow and to not only respect and acknowledge, but to purge my feelings of guilt and shame, however logically unnecessary they may seem.

[Lord Sidious]

as a white man it would be easy for me to agree w/you. if i were a man of color, however, i might disagree.

Erm, a white man? Or an immortal soul in the vehicle of a white male?


didn't we steal and pillage their lands, decimate their population and rape their women? have we not betrayed most if not all of our agreed upon treaties?

I didn't do anything like that, maybe you are just an evil bastard Chinaski! :p
Seriously though, no, we didn't, others who came before us did.
This is the exact type of thinking I am trying to erase.
See, I can't say all of x group are y, but I can say that we did z to t group.
That doesn't extrapolate correctly, that is at odds.
This is only designed to keep us separate.
No thanks.



yes, i certainly see your point here, David. of course, we could go on all night debating who is and who isn't responsible, but we'd never arrive on common ground.

my position is that, as human beings, we are all responsible for everyone else - some maybe a little more responsible to certain others due to karmic dynamics. if my brother were to maim or kill one of your family members, i would feel very, very guilty. now logically, it may not make sense because technically i am innocent of the crime, but no doubt there would be a raw, intrinsic guilt and shame that would defy even the most flawless of logical arguments to the contrary.

why? i'm not entirely sure. certain feelings do not lend themselves to a logical translation.

are these feelings right? are they wrong? i won't judge them here. i'll just say they simply ARE.

i'd hope that you wouldn't want to punish me for all eternity for a crime my brother had committed, yet i would hope that there was something i could do to express my sorrow and to not only respect and acknowledge, but to purge my feelings of guilt and shame, however logically unnecessary they seem.

Whilst your feelings do you credit, they are also holding you back.
The sins of the father MUST NOT be visited on the son.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth means we all suck soup in the dark.
I don't like soup.

[Mike]

this evil bastard is gonna call it a night. right after a bowl of soup;)

i think ive said everything i can on the topic. agree to disagree then, Sid? (lol! what's new!?!)

[shamanseeker]

Exactly what has happened in Israel!!!

[Jay]

It isn't for the benefit of ''minorities'' it is for the benefit of the PTB to continue dividing us all. For sure!

Given the New World Order nature of these laws - minorities in South Africa are barred from employment & promotion because they are Caucasian....... also barred from investing in certain enterprises - many looking in the face of a new genocide..
Of course every excuse in the book is quoted, misquoted & promulgated.

Order out of Chaos in action :-( :laser:

[Davidallany]

if my brother were to maim or kill one of your family members, i would feel very, very guilty.
Do not feel guilty my brother, if your brother kills my brother then I lose one brother but still have two left, you and your brother.

[ViralSpiral]

Do you like my new handbag?



http://rlv.zcache.com/divide_and_conquer_bag-p1492094345784633592w92h_400.jpg


It only cost $0.25!! :p

[Davidallany]

I'd like to order it.

[Anno]

[...]The group's Facebook page lists the price of baked goods at the sale according to race: $2 for whites, $1.50 for Asians, $1 for Hispanics, $0.75 for blacks and $0.25 for Native Americans.[...]"$0.25 FOR ALL WOMEN!"[...]

Well they're clearly out of touch with reality. I think we all know that asians have way more money than whites, women have men to pay for what they want and if a black wants something they just steal it. As for the hispanics, they'd be in the kitchen baking the things, surely?

Republicans are ****wits.

-Edit: Please make sure you're familiar with Socratic Irony before quoting me and complaining.

[OnyxKnight]

Only in America ....

[Mike]

if my brother were to maim or kill one of your family members, i would feel very, very guilty.
Do not feel guilty my brother, if your brother kills my brother then I lose one brother but still have two left, you and your brother.

how relentlessly Buddhist of you David! ;)

i believe your graceful and forgiving attitude would have the Dalia Lama going green with envy!

[Siegfried The 7]

The mainstream media is going hard with racial matters. Who's poor, Who deserves aid, Who's on death row more, Who deserves death penalty, Who's killing who, Who committed a crime, Who's in a jury, etc.

Its working on some people(mainly the unsuspecting blind ones). I saw this coming when the Norway incident occurred and the manifesto was given attention. To me that was the start. Giving people a starting point. From there I tend to watch the way the news programs by certain stories coming one behind another, the images they choose to show, and which sound bites they play, which things get attention, and the choice of words the anchors use. Its all very crafty.

They instigate very well repeating stories and imagery to cause emotion and then deliver in the opposite direction. People start to talk about the stories given attention, debate, add their feelings to the mix, and began to take sides in an imaginary battlefield being created. Emotions run high and the right trigger is given and :boom: we have a problem. :boxing:

Meanwhile, your "friends" and mine :eyebrows: sit back and enjoy the show. :pop2:

[risveglio]

Walter Williams has spoken how he feels affirmative action hurts the minorities more then helping them. That is why he offered his Amnesty and Pardon after Obama was elected.
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/gift.html

As for race, it seems the MMS here is pushing it really hard. I have heard about 3 stories on Herman Cain/Moran Freeman and whether or not the tea party is racists. I just hope we are not stupid enough to fall for it.

[Anno]

What is the truth we are being prevented from seeing by all this though? We're being conditioned to want this one world melting pot where we're all one coffee coloured race of perfect unity and we're all losing our histories and traditions.

Why is 'whitey' the devil? Why black people at the bottom? Why is anyone (of any race) who seems proud of their ancestry and tries to research/promote it deemed a racist?

What is it in our past and our origins that is so dangerous that it has to be hidden by the Racism meme?

[DeBron]

I don't see why Affirmative Action is seen negatively. The perception of it seems to be that it makes sure that unqualified minorities get jobs, However it ensures that the most qualified person gets the job, and also pushes that there be more diversity in the office. I have no doubt that some people didn't get a job because a company had to meet their 'minority' quota, however that grossly outweighs the good it does for those who otherwise would not receive any employment other than in the service industry.

I think people, including some on this board feel that it is to compensate for something done centuries ago. Affirmative Action is in place because of what is happening now. Discrimination against people of (perceived) color and women exists today.

I wrestle daily trying to be accepting of all people and rationalizing the unfairness of this existence. But what gives me solace is knowing that "fair" is a societal idea, not a natural one. Everything is as it is and will be what it will be. Fairness assumes equality. Equality is not present in this duplicitous world. So why chase it? Because purpose drives us. Some more than others.

Anyway, affirmative action hasn't really hurt one group while helping another, it simply is an attempt at opening opportunities to a few who would otherwise not get it.

[Lifebringer]

Feels great don't it. It wasn't me. Wow.
If you ignore it still exists, then who's responsible. i I would have ignored the poor rural or urban people going hungry, when I could have given something, am I not guilty of selfishness or non-compassion?

if the pick-up trucks are still drive by lynching, or dragging from a truck with sheets, and America still ignores it after 450 years, I would hate to be in your shoes, when God ask why you allowed it. And don't forget who has had ALL the power since the Native American genocide.

[Lifebringer]

The pain doesn't go away and the damage was done to parents and grandparents then, and youth non-violent offenders incarcerated for free private prison plantation work. Don't pretend you didn't know that the judges have stocks in the prisons and make the 30 year worker/prison contract for smoking a joint.

See the big picture before you comment, and I pray Karma is here because to walk in ones shoes is the only way to understand what a person is facing. I was thinking about making a movie about a couple of towns being hit with a wave taht turns their melonin opposite, and they wake up next to children who dont' know them, workers who don't recognize them and neighbors who call the cops thinking the people are breaking into their own house. Should be a bang up at the box office.

[risveglio]

Seems this was done in 2003 at UCLA and Dr. Williams responded. Here is his response.
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/03/bakesale.html

[Siegfried The 7]

We're being conditioned to want this one world melting pot where we're all one coffee coloured race of perfect unity and we're all losing our histories and traditions.

I do not believe this, my friend. How do you feel your history or traditions are being lost? Who's removing them?

I believe it is possible for people to come together and retain who they are and what traditions they have. If we could not do this there would always be world war. IMO, the problem is some people have no respect for each other and some are ignorant to the lives of others. If we were educated properly about each other and taught how to respect people that are different from us, I think it would be a fantastic idea to pool our knowledge, skills, or talents for the benefit of each other.

Sure there will be some who may want to come together in the name of love, but I do not understand why some fear that if two people of different race come together, all of a sudden there will no longer be people of the same race that love each other. How does the couple's love cause this?

I think if everyone has knowledge of who they are, where they come from, and freedom to progress without harming others, every human being will have pride for the racial family they may come from. I see nothing wrong with that. But when people mistreat another or seek dominance over another, resentment and negative feelings are given birth.

Surely this is no easy topic but I find it impossible to live in this world and ignore others on this planet with me. I feel many of the problems we have with each other in this world comes from ignoring each other and lack of education or exposure to each other.

[Seikou-Kishi]

i'm sort of ambivalent about it all. affirmative action? its clearly unfair to whites but as a previous poster pointed out, the pendulum must be swung drastically at times to provide a sense of justice. i may not agree, but i can understand why it exists.

which is basically how i feel about the bake sale. yeah, its a little backwards, but clearly meant to be ironically humorous, clearly meant to be a little silly to demonstrate the silliness of what they feel is a queer sort of policy.

Sid, perhaps they should be selling chicken 'nuggets' instead? :lol: waddya think?

Except affirmative action doesn't work with races, does it? Not with races in the abstract. Every time affirmative action prefers one person over another, it is not 'the faceless white' who suffers, but an individual person who has done nothing to deserve their disadvantage. Add to that the fact that most of the times specific people suffer through affirmative action, they are also socio-economically disadvantaged white people — the numbers make it so. Do you think Clinton's children or Bush's children have ever been at a disadvantage because of affirmative action? No. Do you think some factory workers children have been? I'd say that's more likely. In addition, affirmative action does nothing to help the people because it perpetuates learned helplessness by saying "on your own merits, you do not deserve what has fallen into your lap, but look at the hue of your skin". Charity never travels upwards, it always travels downwards from the charitable to the charity case. Affirmative action is a subtle re-affirmation of the lower social status of disadvantaged communities.

[Lord Sidious]

I am all for helping people, but not at someone elses expense on some political pretense.
When I get a job, I got that at the expense of someone else who applied too, that is the way of the world, but I would never justify that by using some political dogma.
Isn't that what people accuse the ''nazis'' of doing?
And they are the yardstick people use to measure bad by, no?
I am tired of the conflict, we are all in the same boat here, there is no need for finger pointing, we all have the same needs and there is no reason we can't have them met.
IF and that is if, we recognise the common origin of all of our souls and ignore the ''differences'' that we can see.
As Ozzy Osbourne says, it is time to learn how to love and forget how to hate.
Sign me up for that club.

[Anno]

[...]How do you feel your history or traditions are being lost? Who's removing them?[...]

In school we get taught cave men, feudal crop rotation and then it's WW2. The Romans are given credit for things they never did. The so called Anglo-Saxons (according to latest dna research) weren't even Saxon. Where is there mention of the Sea People? Original Brythonic people? Cymry? Why are we not taught our original pre-christian religions? Did you know that Europe had gold coinage before Rome and Rome only started using them after they stole and melted ours down? We had roads and chariots before they arrived, too. Along with an equal society where men/women were equal. The sick and elderly had to be cared for.

You don't get taught a peice of it in our school system. All of it wiped out and replaced with a cover story. We were barbarians, then the romans came, then the saxons. All bull****.

As far as I can tell there were at least three 'white races' yet today one hides behind the scenes causing all the trouble while the other two are put up front as the scapegoat.

As for who is responsible, I don't know who they are. Yet. Although most of the evidence is pointing towards Turkey and what we call Jews today.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Omg Anno, are you saying the education system isn't telling the whole truth? Good god that's world-shattering :P
Get worried when they start telling you the things you think are the truth. That's when nothing is certain ;)

[Anno]

Omg Anno, are you saying the education system isn't telling the whole truth?[...]

Sardonism is the Irony of the ignorant.

Not all of the education system. If you go to the right schools you get taught something closer to the truth. Then if you join the right 'clubs' you'll get a bit more. Fortunately, most humans are inherrently good so they hide little bits of it all over the place and if you can get past the programming like 'racism' and 'religion' then you can be open enough to notice the clues and start to put together something resembling the true picture.

I don't care what race people are because it only applies to the body they inhabit. At the same time, this body I'm in is only here because for (at least) thousands of years its ancestors have been walking the Earth and who knows where else. All of their experience in is genetic memory and without knowing the background to it, you're missing a massive part of who 'you' are. In a sense, it's like wanting a manual for your car. Why is that evil?

[Siegfried The 7]

[...]How do you feel your history or traditions are being lost? Who's removing them?[...]

In school we get taught cave men, feudal crop rotation and then it's WW2. The Romans are given credit for things they never did. The so called Anglo-Saxons (according to latest dna research) weren't even Saxon. Where is there mention of the Sea People? Original Brythonic people? Cymry? Why are we not taught our original pre-christian religions? Did you know that Europe had gold coinage before Rome and Rome only started using them after they stole and melted ours down? We had roads and chariots before they arrived, too. Along with an equal society where men/women were equal. The sick and elderly had to be cared for.

You don't get taught a peice of it in our school system. All of it wiped out and replaced with a cover story. We were barbarians, then the romans came, then the saxons. All bull****.

As far as I can tell there were at least three 'white races' yet today one hides behind the scenes causing all the trouble while the other two are put up front as the scapegoat.

As for who is responsible, I don't know who they are. Yet. Although most of the evidence is pointing towards Turkey and what we call Jews today.


I understand what you speak of. Many of us have missing pieces to our history. Maybe I should have said do you give up on the idea of getting along with others because this has been done to your history? Do you hate the race of those responsible because of the deeds of some?

I feel that we let our bitterness, hurt, etc. allows us to place all of a race within the category of dislike and sometimes hate. I do not believe it to be wise unless someone plans to remove everyone of that race away from this planet. Which IMO, would be a disaster.

This may be a silly example but I hate flies but they serve a purpose on this planet so I tolerate them.:p Now of course we should not see our fellow man/woman in this way, but I believe each of us have things we could bring to the table of life that the others could benefit from if we were allowed to be treated with respect and tolerance.

[Anno]

[...]Maybe I should have said do you give up on the idea of getting along with others because this has been done to your history? Do you hate the race of those responsible because of the deeds of some?[...]

See the second paragraph of my last post. I don't hate anyone.

[Guest]

there are those that have stayed strong and beautiful out of the shadows of those who would have them conquered. http://kiliradio.org

Precious Human Life -Garchen Rinpoche he spent 21 years in a Chinese prison -his biggest fear was that he would resent his captors.

we need to connect our hearts & minds -souls & spirits- to our Creator for we have lost our way -author unknown

Nora

we are all related

[Lord Sidious]

How about this one then?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8786641/Dress-witches-in-pink-and-avoid-white-paper-to-prevent-racism-in-nuseries-expert-says.html
These people are actually involved in indoctrinating children.

[Davidallany]

When I get a job, I got that at the expense of someone else who applied too, that is the way of the world, but I would never justify that by using some political dogma.
Competition is praised and highly motivated, often people will go out of their way to creat competition, applaud for the winner of the imaginary prize, divide and conquer is at the very heart of the sinister ancient plan.


Isn't that what people accuse the ''nazis'' of doing?
No one is perfect, yet anyone who becomes a target is systematically demonized, and conveniently depicted as a monster, from lucifer to Saddam, I don't know Lucifer but I can say that Saddam was not a monster, he can't be responsible for the actions of Every individual under his command, nor is he omnipresent or omniscient. The thing about is that he was honest in today's standards, if he wanted to warn someone he would let them know not to cross certain boundaries or else, with other politicians of advanced countries, there are so many back stabbing, and pretense which not very honorable. There is this story about a gun slinger who wanted a farmer killed.


there is no need for finger pointing,
My Lord, I was told by someone that in old British customs, it used to be thumb biting in enemy's direction instead of pointing fingers.

[Guest]

How about this one then?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8786641/Dress-witches-in-pink-and-avoid-white-paper-to-prevent-racism-in-nuseries-expert-says.html
These people are actually involved in indoctrinating children.

Treating one person(s) as non-entities and other person(s) as entities is a very dangerous thing to do.:twitch: I hate (I know strong word) domestication.

So what color of paper should I use? I'm Scots-Irish and Native American w/ a bit of Spanish because they were all over the darn place. I prefer the recycled kind anyway;)

Nora

we are all related

[Mike]

i'm sort of ambivalent about it all. affirmative action? its clearly unfair to whites but as a previous poster pointed out, the pendulum must be swung drastically at times to provide a sense of justice. i may not agree, but i can understand why it exists.

which is basically how i feel about the bake sale. yeah, its a little backwards, but clearly meant to be ironically humorous, clearly meant to be a little silly to demonstrate the silliness of what they feel is a queer sort of policy.

Sid, perhaps they should be selling chicken 'nuggets' instead? :lol: waddya think?

Except affirmative action doesn't work with races, does it? Not with races in the abstract. Every time affirmative action prefers one person over another, it is not 'the faceless white' who suffers, but an individual person who has done nothing to deserve their disadvantage. Add to that the fact that most of the times specific people suffer through affirmative action, they are also socio-economically disadvantaged white people — the numbers make it so. Do you think Clinton's children or Bush's children have ever been at a disadvantage because of affirmative action? No. Do you think some factory workers children have been? I'd say that's more likely. In addition, affirmative action does nothing to help the people because it perpetuates learned helplessness by saying "on your own merits, you do not deserve what has fallen into your lap, but look at the hue of your skin". Charity never travels upwards, it always travels downwards from the charitable to the charity case. Affirmative action is a subtle re-affirmation of the lower social status of disadvantaged communities.

Seikou-Kishi, your ignorance is mind boggling! are you trying to tell me that you are unaware of Crown Publishing's decision to push back Bush jr's memoir in favor of the authorial debut of Cedric the Entertainer??? ;)

(semi-sardonism + smiley face = harmless sarcasm. i don't think this qualifies me for ignorant status, but correct me if i'm wrong here Anno :wink:)

to be truthful, my understanding of affirmative action is in the abstract, is topical. the issue has never really entered my reality matrix, as i've almost always been self-employed.

the individual white has done nothing to deserve their disadvantage, yes - but neither has the individual black. what we have here is a textbook case of catch-22.

however, i don't really believe that socio-economically disadvantaged whites suffer the most from this. the types of jobs that most socio-economically disadvantaged whites and blacks are going for are generally first come first serve we'll-take-whatever-schmuck-wants-to-do-this-crap-job-because-we're-lucky-anyone-will-do-it-at-all type job. i doubt they have white vs black scoreboards in these types of environments.

it's likely more applicable for middle-class careers - teachers, fireman, policemen and so forth.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Seikou-Kishi, your ignorance is mind boggling! are you trying to tell me that you are unaware of Crown Publishing's decision to push back Bush jr's memoir in favor of the authorial debut of Cedric the Entertainer??? ;)

I've just found out I'm newly in favour of affirmative action... paper taxes... bookshop boycotts... anything ;-)

[Davidallany]

how relentlessly Buddhist of you David!

This has been my attitude many years before I came to know Buddhism. Thank you for the compliment Tovarich Chinaski.