This is why I say sex, marriages and bloodfamilies are the biggest obstacles to peace

[raymond]

iUwIS8LZj5E

Police and Military personnel all over the globe are selfish because they will do everything it takes to protect their marriages, blood-families and children.

This is why I say sex, marriages and blood-families are the biggest obstacles to peace.

[raymond]

as long as man fear for death and suffering to themselves and their own blood-kin so much that they will cause suffering to others in order to ease their own suffering, then this planet will never be at peace

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond, i would be cautious in stating that abolishion of sex and mariage will bring more integrity to humankind. Do catholic clergy have more integrity than lay people? Maybe it would be better backward? To allow only unmarried and childless citizens to work in the police/military? But i doubt if it would be better either for human integrity. They would care less even more imo. It should be police/military/politics idea abolished altogether...

Why are you so bent on attacking marriage brother? :)
I am married and biased toward defending it... But i don't mentor unmarried couples/singles with kids ;) I have few friends living free life with their partners and children. I don't condemn them...

[161803398]

oh, just what we need: more regulations. Goody.

[transiten]

Raymond

I suspect you've got some persoanl issues here. Suppose you're not married? I'm not but i don't draw the same conclusions. Of course it's not necessary to be married to have a loving partner and children. I have none and still i think yours is a strange statement. But of course without sex humanity will soon be extinct and that will solve all the problems, for Mother Earth at least.

[Lisab]

Hello Raymond. Do you mean that when people marry they can maybe get caught in a "bubble" which becomes self serving for instance. Shutting out the rest of the world..Ive heard people talk of this before and Ive even heard or read the expression beware of the word "fall" in falling in love. But what about when 2 or more are gathered in my name? I like that one and think it applies well to couples in love. I know of married couples who foster, and adopt children as well as having their own. I know of a married couple who let out their gorgous farm to healers and autistic children.

I could go on but I hope you get my point. By the way Im not just saying this because Im in a marriage because Im not. Weve each got our own paths. Be well Lisa x

[Vitalux]

Raymond how did you ever tie that video to sex? I am totally at a loss to understand linking of a guy talking about the way police treat protesters to equate to sex.
My guess, is your sexual frustrations are possibly internal.

[Davidallany]

This is why I say sex, marriages and blood-families are the biggest obstacles to peace.
Sex is meant to be used for procreation, it has become a game, stress reliever and a way to pass the time when bored. Blood ties should not an obstacle since all living people are related.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Raymond,
I appreciate your concerns, but consider it another way.
What we need to do to combat the NWO is to come TOGETHER, not more separations. TPTW (which Rockefeller is part of) made sure to break up families. Why? Because that's OUR strength and support system. They can't fight that. We need to draw closer than ever to fight this horrible thing they want for us! Please don't fall for their tactics....
Remember that "Wherever thought goes, energy flows".... Think about what you'd like to see in this world instead of the nonsense TPTW want. By doing this, you're ensuring that we're all on the 2nd timeline....

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond how did you ever tie that video to sex? I am totally at a loss to understand linking of a guy talking about the way police treat protesters to equate to sex.
My guess, is your sexual frustrations are possibly internal.
Gary, man in the video refers to opressing policemen families. Raymond connected it and come out with idea that they are opressing because of that families. If there was no sex no marriage there was no families to defend and there would be no oppresion. This is how i understand raymond's way too general statement.

Gary I think your harsh treatment of raymond is unnecessary and intimidiating... Lets be civil :) OK :)

[mosquito]

Unfortunately Robert, most of Raymond's posts have been connected with the demonization of sex, I agree with Gary, Raymond clearly has some issues there.
As for your above logic - "no sex no marriage there was no families" ......... no human race !!!!!

[sshenry]

It's a bit of a jump to go from saying that all families are a distraction to one's duty (in this case to the policemen doing their job properly) to the idea of no sex resolving this issue.

If it is truly a concern, then we could just go back to the old military view (and apply it to first responders as well) where enlisted members below a certain rank (in other words, the cannon fodder) were not allowed to marry without permission from their commanding officer and where the member had to prove that they were not only finanically able to support a family, but emotionally stable enough and were performing above expectations on the job and that the family wouldn't be a distraction.

My husband joined the military in 1978, and he can still remember a friend whose request was denied due to his being so soon out of boot camp and having 'anger issues.'

Still seems a bit extreme imho...

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond's internal issues (if any) is none of our businnes unles he explicitly asks us for help... Until then he is on his own... But we can act as a mirror for his externalised inner world. What we do participating in his threads :)

Let us consider this a lesson in understanding, humility and valor...

[Violet]

iUwIS8LZj5E

Police and Military personnel all over the globe are selfish because they will do everything it takes to protect their marriages, blood-families and children.

This is why I say sex, marriages and blood-families are the biggest obstacles to peace.

And if they didn't have family, marriages, etc. they'd still do anything to protect themselves. Man is a survivor.

I don't see how we should now jointly denounce family, sex and marriages.

[New Dawn]

And then there are televisions, food, pets, personal possessions...........sod it , lets just get rid of it all. :)

[Violet]

I would get rid of my television any time...If I weren't stuck in a family with differing preferences...:whoo:

[New Dawn]

I would get rid of my television any time...If I weren't stuck in a family with differing preferences...:whoo:

I know what you mean. When I visit my parents, the TV drives me crazy!

[raymond]

Raymond how did you ever tie that video to sex? I am totally at a loss to understand linking of a guy talking about the way police treat protesters to equate to sex.
My guess, is your sexual frustrations are possibly internal.
Gary, man in the video refers to opressing policemen families. Raymond connected it and come out with idea that they are opressing because of that families. If there was no sex no marriage there was no families to defend and there would be no oppresion. This is how i understand raymond's way too general statement.

Gary I think your harsh treatment of raymond is unnecessary and intimidiating... Lets be civil :) OK :)

Bingo! Most law enforcement and military personnel are "soldiers" soulforms.. They have been soldiers for many life-times not only on this planet and this dimensions but other planets and dimensions too

soldiers are too used to fighting for material gains for themselves and their families.. most soldiers i know are breeders.. they fight, kill and breed.. it is all in their blood..

soldiers are the most easily brainwashed humans on this planet.. if there is ever an epitome of a brainwashed soul.. it would be the soldiers and law enforcement personnel.. these suckers only believe in breeding and growing their families..

like those hunter cats you find in the African safari..

if everybody refrain from having sex, refrain from working and just focus on meditating even if it means the death of their own mortal physical forms. I tell you the whole world will change in in instant..

but alas, most people fear death too much.. they even fear the loss of sexual relations, not to mention death itself so how can this world change..

this world will never change

[raymond]

oh, just what we need: more regulations. Goody.

refraining from participating in the global elite's game of working and creating families.. this is the ultimate form of rebellion against the global elite..

strikes ain't gonna do ****..

if every single slave on this planet just stay at home or even go to the forest and not do anything.. just meditate even if you do not have the money for food or water.. i guarantee you..

within one month, or even one week or one day, the whole world paradigm and reality will change

my revolution will be the most powerful revolution ever.. far more effective than pathetic strikes on the streets ..

just stay at home and meditate and refuse to participate in the economy and mating game, dammnit!

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And then there are televisions, food, pets, personal possessions...........sod it , lets just get rid of it all. :)

only fools get rid of stuff which help them

food helps you, money helps you

television? sometimes.. when you need to know what's going on or pass the time

pets? maybe..

but participating in the economy and mating game, that will only be fulfilling your purpose as a slave in the global system until you pass away

[raymond]

Raymond

I suspect you've got some persoanl issues here. Suppose you're not married? I'm not but i don't draw the same conclusions. Of course it's not necessary to be married to have a loving partner and children. I have none and still i think yours is a strange statement. But of course without sex humanity will soon be extinct and that will solve all the problems, for Mother Earth at least.

if everybody refuse to mate causing the extinction of the human race

the ET controllers will show up soon enough and the global elite's power will be severely threatened..

hell, even the Gods themselves will appear to right things..

but everybody is just too chicken**** to do it

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Hello Raymond. Do you mean that when people marry they can maybe get caught in a "bubble" which becomes self serving for instance. Shutting out the rest of the world..Ive heard people talk of this before and Ive even heard or read the expression beware of the word "fall" in falling in love. But what about when 2 or more are gathered in my name? I like that one and think it applies well to couples in love. I know of married couples who foster, and adopt children as well as having their own. I know of a married couple who let out their gorgous farm to healers and autistic children.

I could go on but I hope you get my point. By the way Im not just saying this because Im in a marriage because Im not. Weve each got our own paths. Be well Lisa x

when you fall in love and mate, you are falling prey to the inherent programming in you to create children for the continued existence of humanity..

this inherent programming of working, falling in love and mating is inserted into your being by higher powers and ET controllers..

if you want to continue to be a slave to such higher powers and ET controllers, be my guest..

[raymond]

Hey Raymond,
I appreciate your concerns, but consider it another way.
What we need to do to combat the NWO is to come TOGETHER, not more separations. TPTW (which Rockefeller is part of) made sure to break up families. Why? Because that's OUR strength and support system. They can't fight that. We need to draw closer than ever to fight this horrible thing they want for us! Please don't fall for their tactics....
Remember that "Wherever thought goes, energy flows".... Think about what you'd like to see in this world instead of the nonsense TPTW want. By doing this, you're ensuring that we're all on the 2nd timeline....

the only effective revolution to the system is if everybody gets together to threaten the existence of the human race

that means, no working in the economy, no services provided, no mating, no new children being born

do you think that your enemies are human? think again!

your true enemies are higher dimensional lifeforms and beings and gods who control every aspect of reality on earth..

do you think mere strikes lie occupywallstreet are enough to shake the system?

don't make me laugh

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Unfortunately Robert, most of Raymond's posts have been connected with the demonization of sex, I agree with Gary, Raymond clearly has some issues there.
As for your above logic - "no sex no marriage there was no families" ......... no human race !!!!!

And that's the key point!

if there's a danger of the human race disappearing entirely, even the higher dimensional gods will wet their pants

mark my words.. everybody has to put so much pressure on the system that even the gods will fear us

but as long as man is afraid of death as long as he is addicted to the pleasures of life.. man will never be free

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It's a bit of a jump to go from saying that all families are a distraction to one's duty (in this case to the policemen doing their job properly) to the idea of no sex resolving this issue.

If it is truly a concern, then we could just go back to the old military view (and apply it to first responders as well) where enlisted members below a certain rank (in other words, the cannon fodder) were not allowed to marry without permission from their commanding officer and where the member had to prove that they were not only finanically able to support a family, but emotionally stable enough and were performing above expectations on the job and that the family wouldn't be a distraction.

My husband joined the military in 1978, and he can still remember a friend whose request was denied due to his being so soon out of boot camp and having 'anger issues.'

Still seems a bit extreme imho...


as long as your priorities involve mating and creation of families, you will be slaves to the system

[raymond]

I realize that the global elite has been making plans to wipe out the majority of the human race.

But this is a lie. The global elite has never had the power to do so. Do you think the gods will allow humans, regardless of how rich or powerful they are, to wipe out the human race?

Everybody here thinks that the global elite is the problem but there are higher dimensions upon higher dimensions of beings who control the fate of humanity.

These higher dimensional beings are the ones who are the true masters, true controllers of humankind.

To shake those higher dimensional beings, the whole of humanity must get together to perform hari-kiri if need be.

Humans are never born to be slaves, not even to higher dimensional beings.

We are born to be gods and not mating pigs!

Why the hell has the mass media only focused its attention on money, mating, sex, houses and cars?

Why isn't the mass media and schools teaching everyone how to gain enlightenment, spiritual powers and immortality?

Why has the military complex spent on much money on time-travel, remote viewing, remote influencing, mind control and other black projects but refuse to reveal the results of such research to the public and even try to brainwash the public that such silly notions only appear in fantasy sci-fi movies and books?

Life is stranger than fiction, so they say. Use your brain to think!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond, suppose everyone on Earth followed your suggestion. So we are all sitting and meditating. All around the world. I can feel how tranquil and peacefull it would be. I really like it. If everybody stopped thinking about BS and focused enough on being here and now i agree we would all transcend in a matter of one hour. It would be really great. When it happen our bodies transcend with us.
When that happens we will not have to mate to increase our numbers. The frequency of Earth will become so high that spirits will not need physical bodies to come here and interact with nature.

What you propose will happen. But not now. You have to wait some more. There is no point in being unpatient and frustrated. This is a process. I know its end is long overdue.
But it will end :) Cheer up :)

[raymond]

Raymond, suppose everyone on Earth followed your suggestion. So we are all sitting and meditating. All around the world. I can feel how tranquil and peacefull it would be. I really like it. If everybody stopped thinking about BS and focused enough on being here and now i agree we would all transcend in a matter of one hour. It would be really great. When it happen our bodies transcend with us.
When that happens we will not have to mate to increase our numbers. The frequency of Earth will become so high that spirits will not need physical bodies to come here and interact with nature.

What you propose will happen. But not now. You have to wait some more. There is no point in being unpatient and frustrated. This is a process. I know its end is long overdue.
But it will end :) Cheer up :)

I heard this saying once.

If the teachings of immortality and enlightenment is ever made public, no one would ever bother to work, date, get married and have kids.

This is because every single person would be meditating working on the inner alchemy of enlightenment and immortality.

This is how the whole grid would get destroyed and this is why TPTB would do their damnest to prevent these teachings from becoming public!

Because they know their power of fear over the minds of the populace would be destroyed. TPTB would not even have any soldiers working for them!

If I am an enlightened immortal, what use is sex, money and even political power to me?

IF we are all enlightened immortals, do we even have to fear the lack of food, the lack of housing, the lack of money?

If we are all enlightened immortals, why the hell do we even bother breeding?

You know, if there is ever a time to stake our lives, this is it.

[raymond]

If the teachings of immortality and enlightenment is ever made public, do you think the cops and soldiers will still bother breeding and finding work as thugs oppressing the masses to support their kin?

As long as a human thinks that sex and breeding is the epitome of human civilization, this particular human will never achieve immortality and enlightenment.

Plenty of such ignorant humans in this thread.

[Sidney]

There is also a difference between sex and procreation. Procreation is the RESULT of sex, however this can obviously be prevented.
And no marriage?? Whats that got to do with the price of tea in China??

Is your point about procreation?? And population? Maybe there should be a different thread on this subject, but I don't know what it has to do with police brutality (yes its a problem) i just dont get the connection.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond, those teachings ARE public. And TPTW can't remove it. But they can obscure it by keeping people focused on runing in hamster wheel. Distraction here and another overthere... If you have not noticed yet people ARE waking up everyday. There is more and more of us. Innertia is enormous so please don't expect we change our course in a blink of an eye :) I can understand your frustration. I was frustrated by people not paying attention as well. But I realised that everybody has to awake in her/his own time. You can not awake people by force. We have to respect everybodys free will.

And one more thing. Before we become gods we have to gain real experience. Thats why we are here on Earth. To learn. And being a parent, foster or natural allows us to gain a faint glimpse of how it is like to be an unconditionally loving and responsible god :) It is really hard and demanding lesson. It does not end with sex. If it does it means you do it wrong... And you have full control of the direction in which your children will sail. You have an opportunity to materialize a better varsion of yourself and bring us all closer to that global transcending moment... But until then we have to take our time and learn... We are now in a cleaning up our mess phase... Let us focus on bringing more clarity and light to the world :) OK?

[raymond]

robert as i said again,

if we are enlightened immortals, we do not even feel the need to have children

having children is contrary to spirituality

you would be naive if you think that you need to give birth to children in order to learn unconditionally

the purest form of compassion exist between strangers, not between blood-kin

[Violet]

I would get rid of my television any time...If I weren't stuck in a family with differing preferences...:whoo:

I know what you mean. When I visit my parents, the TV drives me crazy!

Oh well, freedom for all. ;)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Raymond, sometimes you have to fall into river to understand that you could use the bridge :p

Consider this. When we finnally arive at that transcending moment we probably become collective consciousnes. The Onnes of Sovereign beings. As a whole we will have the acces to each participating Sovereign experience. When you will like to know what is it like to be a parent you will just tap into this experience field. It will be the same as experiencing it yourself. Believe me we need such experience if we want to become God. So everyone is collecting experience now for future use. We are building our experience memory for our future collective consciousness. I hope it will be fun :)

[sshenry]

Raymond, I understand your frustration, however we are not here simply to gaze at our navels and trancend into the bliss of oneness. That is part of it, yes, but not all of it.

We are also here to experience what it means to be human with everything that entails, including mating and having families. I know that I am extremely grateful that my parents DID mate and have a family so that I could have the opportunity to have this experience.

In turn I have given my daughters the same opportunity. This does not make me a slave to the system, it makes me a co-creator who has given another soul the opportunity to work its way into realization and understanding through the human experience.

Perhaps the 'system' takes advantage of those unaware individuals who do not realize that their mates and children are not fragile entities that need protection, but manifestations of an undestructable soul that has chosen (yes Raymond, CHOSEN) to be born in order to take advantage of the knowledge and understanding available by coming to realization through the human experience. You can't destroy a soul. Kill the body if you need to - but that is just another experience for the soul, isn't it? Another means of gaining perspective and understanding.

When you become aware of the fact that every soul on earth today CHOSE to be here - and in the situation into which they were born - the concept of mates and families ceases to become something to bemoan, and instead becomes something to be celebrated.

This is not to say that mating and childbearing should be done indiscriminately or mindlessly. It is a responsibility not to be taken lightly, and if there are any doubts about it, any hangups, any unresloved issues, it can lead to situations where the 'system' can take advantage of these weaknesses and turn what is a beautiful opportunity into an obligation that does indeed make you a slave to the system.

[Allura]

soldiers are too used to fighting for material gains for themselves and their families.. most soldiers i know are breeders.. they fight, kill and breed.. it is all in their blood..

soldiers are the most easily brainwashed humans on this planet.. if there is ever an epitome of a brainwashed soul.. it would be the soldiers and law enforcement personnel.. these suckers only believe in breeding and growing their families..



Ummm...I'm married to a Marine and several people in my family (my father included) are police officers. I have a really hard time with this statement. I would venture a guess that I know far more people in the military and police than you and do not see the correlation AT ALL! It is always so sad to see posts like this one...:(

[Ernie Nemeth]

Robert:
Raymond, sometimes you have to fall into river to understand that you could use the bridge

Consider this. When we finnally arive at that transcending moment we probably become collective consciousnes. The Onnes of Sovereign beings. As a whole we will have the acces to each participating Sovereign experience. When you will like to know what is it like to be a parent you will just tap into this experience field. It will be the same as experiencing it yourself. Believe me we need such experience if we want to become God. So everyone is collecting experience now for future use. We are building our experience memory for our future collective consciousness. I hope it will be fun

Not much more need be said.

[Dawn]

What a fascinating thread. Life is about conscious awareness. Everything in this reality is twisted if it is not accompanied by deep awareness. Even a lot of the follow up comments have left awareness out. I too used to believe that marriage and relationship between opposite sexes was a lie. In fact I used to teach classes filled with questions designed to awaken people to the lie of marriage, love, and sex.

But consider this. Once you truly love yourself then it is possible to resonate with another person in this same place. When you are finally this aware and non-judgemental then the relationship with the 'other' results in infinite reflections back to you of that love. Such relationships become a case of 'when 2 are gathered....'.


Sex is meant to be used for procreation, it has become a game, stress reliever and a way to pass the time when bored. Blood ties should not an obstacle since all living people are related.

After 38 years of traditional marriage I left because my partner did not love himself and kept projecting his own feelings of self loathing on me. Therefore he did not like me much of the time (that's how projection works).

After leaving I found someone who has deep awareness and self love. We practice sex as the taoists do. In this way the sharing of the yin and yang energies nourish the bodies and sex becomes a meditation which re-juvinates the body bringing health and re-creating a field of joy and love. Orgasms last hours, not minutes, and include practices to bring the orgasm into all parts of the body. According to ancient literature, many Taoists have developed immortal bodies in this way.

If you are unfamiliar with this concept but interested in it, then I suggest you consider beginning with Mantak Chia's books.
'Healing Love through the Tao, "Taoist Secrets of Love, Cultivating Male Sexual Energy"
and his wife's book ''Healing Love through the Tao, Cultivating Female Sexual Energy'

However, if someone is not 'awakened' to the connection with their own divine nature, then sex is indeed 'only for procreation' etc. However stopping sex and marriage will not stop problems at this level for such a person. In fact nothing will change this situation except deeper awareness of who and what they are.

[mcat911]

Ok, where do I start?....
Raymond, your beliefs and logic, in my humble opinion, are way off. You seem to have reacted to the video and then blurted out a statement which appears extreme and aimed at all military and police personnel. Without these people, I imagine our lives would be much worse, due to defending our families from some of the many lunatics out there hell bent on doing you harm.
I agree with Allura, this is a sad post and yes I'm married and my wife is ex military.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Just wanted to bring your focus to the fact that through THIS forum we experience beginning of our collective consciousness :) Quite incoherent and schizofrenic :p But i think we'll be fine in the end :)

[sygh]

Raymond

I suspect you've got some persoanl issues here. Suppose you're not married? I'm not but i don't draw the same conclusions. Of course it's not necessary to be married to have a loving partner and children. I have none and still i think yours is a strange statement. But of course without sex humanity will soon be extinct and that will solve all the problems, for Mother Earth at least.

if everybody refuse to mate causing the extinction of the human race

the ET controllers will show up soon enough and the global elite's power will be severely threatened..

hell, even the Gods themselves will appear to right things..

but everybody is just too chicken**** to do it

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hello Raymond. Do you mean that when people marry they can maybe get caught in a "bubble" which becomes self serving for instance. Shutting out the rest of the world..Ive heard people talk of this before and Ive even heard or read the expression beware of the word "fall" in falling in love. But what about when 2 or more are gathered in my name? I like that one and think it applies well to couples in love. I know of married couples who foster, and adopt children as well as having their own. I know of a married couple who let out their gorgous farm to healers and autistic children.

I could go on but I hope you get my point. By the way Im not just saying this because Im in a marriage because Im not. Weve each got our own paths. Be well Lisa x

when you fall in love and mate, you are falling prey to the inherent programming in you to create children for the continued existence of humanity..

this inherent programming of working, falling in love and mating is inserted into your being by higher powers and ET controllers..

if you want to continue to be a slave to such higher powers and ET controllers, be my guest..

Hi raymond.

You've made your point; however, your arguement is based on your summations of heavy ET involvement with a specific group of puppet controllers. Even if I agree there are some ETs out there who don't have our best interest at heart, all I have to do is look at us, as a whole, and turn the tables on the rest of the universe. As to those currently in charge, this too shall pass with us, or without us. Trying to control the world is like trying to control mother nature herself.

If I were to accept your arguement, I'd have to give up my belief in the human spirit, and I'm not willing to do that.

Further, before I came to embrace it, I was afraid of death. I looked upon death as if it was a booggie man waiting for me at the end of my journey. I gave death a human face. I also didn't have a clue what real freedom was. Not that it can be summed up in a couple of sentences but simply put, freedom is taking responsibility for my own actions. Freedom requires looking at the consequences of those actions, and being accountable for those actions from conception to destruction, and sometimes beyond. It is being a good shepherd of a herd of one. And as that goes, other things fall into place. Meditation is a must but not all, not in this world.

Sex is a mindless act; I agree with David, sex has been twisted and used to mean too many other things. Making love is for procreating. Marriage is probably the closest relationship one can have in the physical, it is a union where two become one, while still being two.

To defend something against physical harm is a natural instinct. Not all soldiers are drones, nor are they all mindless, controllable bots. But I do get your point. Just put down the gun, Johnny.

[Wolf Khan]

Aah raymond. I know you hurt and have deep fears, so do we all. You wouldn't want my nightmares that's for sure. I have to admit tho I did not watch your video in full just enough to get an idea of what you are expressing. Still, hang in there man, it'll all come together for us all very soon now. :cool: :wink:

[161803398]

I always like the ideas the ancient Irish people had (I'd call them Celts but, now, some people say, that they aren't so who the hell cares what they were called...they were GREAT!) Apparently they tolerated all forms of relationships be it one woman, one man; two women, one man; three women, two pigs and a goat; WHATEVER! Love is love and it unites us all!