Population reduction of the outlands and the walled cities of the intelligencia?

[K626]

How will they do it?

Birthrate control is very difficult to apply across the mass of the population and again the ageing population in advanced countries would undermine in corrections in birthrate.

Wars haven't really worked (2nd world war cost 73million lives), the reductions are not enough and follwed by generations of population bubbles are counterproductinve. Nuclear war seems to be off the table...

Epidemics might be a possibility but with mutations there is a high risk of blowback against the PTW, so there are probably reluctant to try this...

What is their next move?

Peace

K

[ktlight]

Maybe they will create something that will make us behave like lemmins and pied piper us over the cliff edge en masse.

[K626]

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, September 20, 2010

A Finnish environmentalist guru has gone further than any other global warming alarmist in openly calling for fascism as a necessary step to save the planet from ecological destruction, demanding that climate change deniers be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and that the vast majority of humans be killed with the rest enslaved and controlled by a green police state, with people forcibly sterilized, cars confiscated and travel restricted to members of the elite.

Philosopher Pentti Linkola has built an enthusiastic following of self-described “eco-fascists” receptive to his message that the state should enact draconian measures of “discipline, prohibition, enforcement and oppression” in order to make people comply with environmental dictates.

Linkola’s barbaric and dictatorial philosophy has remained relatively obscure but is now gaining traction as the mask of environmentalism is lifted to unveil its true nature – a justification for 21st century tyranny on a grand scale, characterized by eugenics, sterilization, gulags, police states, and total government control over every aspect of our existence.

Linkola’s doctrine is more extreme, repulsive, and threatening to liberty than anything carried out by history’s worst dictators, Hitler, Stalin and Mao – combined. Indeed, Linkola laments that such monsters didn’t go far enough in wiping out many more millions of people."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/global-warming-alarmist-calls-for-eco-gulags-to-re-educate-climate-deniers.html

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Maybe they will create something that will make us behave like lemmins and pied piper us over the cliff edge en masse.

Survival psychology is too strong.

K

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Yes, They Really Do Want To Reduce The Population – 22 Shocking Population Control Quotes From The Global Elite

Most Americans have absolutely no idea, but a very dark philosophy is spreading like wildfire among the global elite. This philosophy is an obsessive belief that humanity has become a cancer that is destroying the earth. There are now large numbers of global leaders that are convinced that the exploding population of the world has become like a virus or a plague, and that it must be combated as such. In fact, it would be very difficult to understate just how obsessed many members of the global elite are with population control. The United Nations puts out position papers about it, universities have entire courses dedicated to it, radical population control advocates have been appointed to some of the highest political positions in the world, and some of the wealthiest people on the planet get together just to talk about it. Those who believe in this philosophy are constantly talking about the need for "increased access" to abortion, contraception and other "family planning" services. But even with all of their efforts, the population of the world is still expanding and those who believe in this population control philosophy are getting nervous.

So just who are these people among the global elite who believe so fervently in population control? Some of the names you are about to read below might totally shock you. Many of them are some of the biggest names in the world. For example, Prince Charles gave a major speech just the other day in which he bemoaned the rapidly expanding world population: "I could have chosen Mumbai, Cairo or Mexico City; wherever you look, the world’s population is increasing fast. It goes up by the equivalent of the entire population of the United Kingdom every year. Which means that this poor planet of ours, which already struggles to sustain 6.8 billion people, will somehow have to support over 9 billion people within 50 years."


#1) The March 2009 U.N. Population Division policy brief....

"What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed countries?"

#2) Microsoft's Bill Gates....

"The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

#3) Barack Obama's top science advisor, John P. Holdren....

"A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.

The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births."

#4) George W. Bush's science advisor Paul Ehrlich....

"Each person we add now disproportionately impacts on the environment and life-support systems of the planet."

#5) U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg....

"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."

#6) A United Nations Population Fund report entitled "Facing a Changing World: Women, Population and Climate"....

"No human is genuinely 'carbon neutral,' especially when all greenhouse gases are figured into the equation."

#7) David Rockefeller....

"The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident."

#8) Jacques Cousteau....

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

#9) CNN Founder Ted Turner....

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."

#10) Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder....

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world."

#11) Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh....

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."

#12) David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club....

"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license ... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."

#13) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger....

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

#14) Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12....

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."

#15) Princeton philosopher Peter Singer....

"So why don’t we make ourselves the last generation on earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required — we could party our way into extinction!"

#16) Thomas Ferguson, former official in the U.S. State Department Office of Population Affairs....

"There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it…."

#17) Mikhail Gorbachev....

"We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."

#18) John Guillebaud, professor of family planning at University College London....

"The effect on the planet of having one child less is an order of magnitude greater than all these other things we might do, such as switching off lights. An extra child is the equivalent of a lot of flights across the planet."

#19) Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka....

"This planet might be able to support perhaps as many as half a billion people who could live a sustainable life in relative comfort. Human populations must be greatly diminished, and as quickly as possible to limit further environmental damage."

#20) U.S. Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton....

"This year, the United States renewed funding of reproductive healthcare through the United Nations Population Fund, and more funding is on the way. The U.S. Congress recently appropriated more than $648 million in foreign assistance to family planning and reproductive health programs worldwide. That’s the largest allocation in more than a decade – since we last had a Democratic president, I might add."

#21) Clinton adviser Nina Fedoroff....

"We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can't support many more people."

#22) The first of the "new 10 commandments" on the Georgia Guidestones.."

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/yes-they-really-do-want-to-reduce-the-population-22-shocking-population-control-quotes-from-the-global-elite-that-will-make-you-want-to-lose-your-lunch

[AuCo]

Nature has the ultimate answer to population control. How did she do it in past human histories? Why have we failed miserably in the past? Ever wonder what the past elites thought and did?

[vibrations]

Every planet is a living being. We are just their hosts. Like ants for example. When we are not conscious enough to stop multiplying like broken photocopier, then there are always natural ways how the planet can wipe us out partially or completely. It happened before many times and it will happen now. All this alignment with a galactic equator in conjunction with planetary alignments is a natural way of remodeling the outer crust of the planet and redistributing the life again. More radical there is a negativity presence in a thought pattern of the planets soul collective, more radical the events are to reestablish the natural balance. That is why is so important for us to be as positive as possible. The positive, constructive way of thinking is the way how Universe grows as an entity. And it's the natural way why the Universal mind supports that kind of behavior. He, she, it wants to grow, closer to the final goal which is no other than UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe they will create something that will make us behave like lemmins and pied piper us over the cliff edge en masse.

I sure hope NOT!
I've been focusing on the 2nd timeline and none of this happening to us; while all of TPTW will be captured and prosecuted.... A beautiful world without them.... Imagine that!
Makes me feel so good....

Seriously, all the people that k626 mentions in his thread are a bunch of psychopathic murders to think the way they do. Most of them consider themselves above the people and races. It urks me to hear that they think they have the right to live while they judge whose just trash to throw away. These people make me SICK!

[K626]

Every planet is a living being. We are just their hosts. Like ants for example. When we are not conscious enough to stop multiplying like broken photocopier, then there are always natural ways how the planet can wipe us out partially or completely. It happened before many times and it will happen now. All this alignment with a galactic equator in conjunction with planetary alignments is a natural way of remodeling the outer crust of the planet and redistributing the life again. More radical there is a negativity presence in a thought pattern of the planets soul collective, more radical the events are to reestablish the natural balance. That is why is so important for us to be as positive as possible. The positive, constructive way of thinking is the way how Universe grows as an entity. And it's the natural way why the Universal mind supports that kind of behavior. He, she, it wants to grow, closer to the final goal which is no other than UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

Are you saying nature will find a balance or that we will through conscious projection?

K

[K626]

Maybe they will create something that will make us behave like lemmins and pied piper us over the cliff edge en masse.

I sure hope NOT!
I've been focusing on the 2nd timeline and none of this happening to us; while all of TPTW will be captured and prosecuted.... A beautiful world without them.... Imagine that!
Makes me feel so good....

Seriously, all the people that k626 mentions in his thread are a bunch of psychopathic murders to think the way they do. Most of them consider themselves above the people and races. It urks me to hear that they think they have the right to live while they judge whose just trash to throw away. These people make me SICK!

Here's a classic example.

A friend of mine is a mother with two children, she recently seperated from her husband and has moved onto a new relationship. While chatting excitedly about this new development (and I'm happy for her) she announced she wants to have more children with the new guy. I asked her why her two children aren't enough and was it wise to bring more children into the world (not in a castigating manner, but just to check where she was regarding the population debate). Her answer was that she doesn't have a car like other mothers...lol

Peace

K

[vibrations]

Every planet is a living being. We are just their hosts. Like ants for example. When we are not conscious enough to stop multiplying like broken photocopier, then there are always natural ways how the planet can wipe us out partially or completely. It happened before many times and it will happen now. All this alignment with a galactic equator in conjunction with planetary alignments is a natural way of remodeling the outer crust of the planet and redistributing the life again. More radical there is a negativity presence in a thought pattern of the planets soul collective, more radical the events are to reestablish the natural balance. That is why is so important for us to be as positive as possible. The positive, constructive way of thinking is the way how Universe grows as an entity. And it's the natural way why the Universal mind supports that kind of behavior. He, she, it wants to grow, closer to the final goal which is no other than UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

Are you saying nature will find a balance or that we will through conscious projection?

K

Our problem is (IMHO) that we so like to separate things which in reality are one. `the nature is separated from us as long we are separated from her. It's one unique process of creation all over the Universe. Putting attention to something is creating it and until we do not do it, the higher vibrations take the thing in their hands. When we start to actively participate in a process, as I understand, the vibrational level decides which timeline is stronger in a constructive way. Ten people thinking positively can calm down a small spring stream, but ten millions can change the destiny of entire planet. I believe that the Universe is a mental structure, continuous thought, lifting up. If we plug in, we become one with it and apart of getting stronger the Universe as it is, we also gain it's support in a form of feedback of energy we project out. everything is one, everything is connected, there is a way for everything and we, with our free will, we decide what is the future to come. That's how I understand it.

[divine_moments_of_truth]

The most likely way would be through some form of super-virus that would target certain areas or races, I don't know how advanced the classified micro-biology is but I would assume that this is possible. Oh and the bloated population of this planet is a valid argument for almost every single problem we have, earlier generations really dropped the ball on this one and now we must pay for it.

[gooty64]

Living along University ave. in St. Paul and near Minneapolis I would see these young inner city families with several young-uns and would just have this vision past through my mind of "why so many kids" in this world at this time-to families at or near the poverty level. Seriously, living hand-to-mouth in the mean streets at the poverty level never does much for the rising of consciousness. Does it?
It was always a disturbing vision when I would see too many little ones being born into a tough situation. I truly would have a pang of melancholy wash over me when I would imagine the future of those kids.
Just an observance. Considering the point of this thread, I am not for pop. reduction at all. It just seems the world is completely out of whack and out of balance with regard to the population and distribution of it.
One of my brothers has 3 lilly white kids (3,5,7) going to better schools living upper middle class and I dread the circumstances they were born into. Doesn't it seem like time to stop having lots of babies NOW? First, don't we have become sustainable and balanced?
This civilization so far off track, it is MAD! And the MADNESS is SO deeply entrenched with so many tentacles of pathology that IMHO there is destined to be an Earth purification. Just saying-I could be wrong, of course.

And the solution is:

I just purify myself for the New Earth. The old one is TOAST, STICK A FORK IN IT! Sorry, we went too far past the point of sustainability, not a judgement-just a fact to be dealt with now. Sweeping Earth changes are inevitable, let's get ready for establishing a New Earth with gentle, loving leaders like women and loving men. The warriors are clueless and they only set up enemies so they can be warriors. What a joke! Where is your Heart? Where is the Love?

As we speak tens of thousands of American warriors(soldiers) are becoming mentally ill, violent "hero's", what will that breed into our society?

It's OVER! yet we keep going through motions-what an existence!

[K626]

The most likely way would be through some form of super-virus that would target certain areas or races, I don't know how advanced the classified micro-biology is but I would assume that this is possible. Oh and the bloated population of this planet is a valid argument for almost every single problem we have, earlier generations really dropped the ball on this one and now we must pay for it.

Word on the micro-biology front is that the possibility of mutation is too high to try the vurus. As soon as a virus interacts with the body and information starts getting exchanged (vuruses use the body as a host to reproduce itself) there are possibilities of mutation, hence targetting is very risky as the virus changes.

K

[K626]

Sterility through food and vaccines??

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=563

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Living along University ave. in St. Paul and near Minneapolis I would see these young inner city families with several young-uns and would just have this vision past through my mind of "why so many kids" in this world at this time-to families at or near the poverty level. Seriously, living hand-to-mouth in the mean streets at the poverty level never does much for the rising of consciousness. Does it?
It was always a disturbing vision when I would see too many little ones being born into a tough situation. I truly would have a pang of melancholy wash over me when I would imagine the future of those kids.
Just an observance. Considering the point of this thread, I am not for pop. reduction at all. It just seems the world is completely out of whack and out of balance with regard to the population and distribution of it.
One of my brothers has 3 lilly white kids (3,5,7) going to better schools living upper middle class and I dread the circumstances they were born into. Doesn't it seem like time to stop having lots of babies NOW? First, don't we have become sustainable and balanced?
This civilization so far off track, it is MAD! And the MADNESS is SO deeply entrenched with some many tentacles of pathology that IMHO there is destined to be an Earth purification. Just saying-I could be wrong, of course.

And the solution is:

I just purify myself for the New Earth. The old one is TOAST, STICK A FORK IN IT! Sorry, we went to far past the point of sustainability, not a judgement-just a fact to be dealt with now. Sweeping Earth changes are inevitable, let's get ready for establishing a New Earth with gentle, loving leaders like women and loving men. The warriors are clueless and only set up enemies so they can be warriors. What a joke! Where is your Heart? Where is the Love?

As we speak tens of thousands of American warriors(soldiers) are becoming mentally ill, violent "hero's", what will that breed into our society?

It's OVER! yet we keep going through motions-what an existence!

Well for a long time growth was the name of the game as it produced more consumption.

K

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Every planet is a living being. We are just their hosts. Like ants for example. When we are not conscious enough to stop multiplying like broken photocopier, then there are always natural ways how the planet can wipe us out partially or completely. It happened before many times and it will happen now. All this alignment with a galactic equator in conjunction with planetary alignments is a natural way of remodeling the outer crust of the planet and redistributing the life again. More radical there is a negativity presence in a thought pattern of the planets soul collective, more radical the events are to reestablish the natural balance. That is why is so important for us to be as positive as possible. The positive, constructive way of thinking is the way how Universe grows as an entity. And it's the natural way why the Universal mind supports that kind of behavior. He, she, it wants to grow, closer to the final goal which is no other than UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

Are you saying nature will find a balance or that we will through conscious projection?

K

Our problem is (IMHO) that we so like to separate things which in reality are one. `the nature is separated from us as long we are separated from her. It's one unique process of creation all over the Universe. Putting attention to something is creating it and until we do not do it, the higher vibrations take the thing in their hands. When we start to actively participate in a process, as I understand, the vibrational level decides which timeline is stronger in a constructive way. Ten people thinking positively can calm down a small spring stream, but ten millions can change the destiny of entire planet. I believe that the Universe is a mental structure, continuous thought, lifting up. If we plug in, we become one with it and apart of getting stronger the Universe as it is, we also gain it's support in a form of feedback of energy we project out. everything is one, everything is connected, there is a way for everything and we, with our free will, we decide what is the future to come. That's how I understand it.

I believe that in many ways the universe is 'experiencing' through us.

K

[nearing]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

[K626]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

What's that then?

K

[nearing]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

What's that then?


K

I am on iPad so can't go get link for you at moment but go do net search for the term Natural Capitalism and you should find a free PDF or online version of the book by the same name. It's paradigm changing.

[HORIZONS]

... humanity has become a cancer that is destroying the earth. ... the exploding population of the world has become like a virus or a plague, ...

I don't find myself in disagreement with these statements - but I do not think it is the fault of the poverty stricken and general population that are the "cancer" but it is rather the people at the top of the pyramid that hold the greatest responsibility for all the damage that is being committed in the name of their god's -- wealth and power. In the seeking of these god's through their greed we have the world in the situation we find ourselves in today. Mankind is not the enemy that needs to be destroyed to save the earth - it is the nature within mankind that is the problem, and if mankind's nature can be changed then so too the earth can be changed - otherwise the earth may very well rid itself of this pestilence that is destroying it!

Don't take this personally, but let me ask you a simple question: do you litter? Do you ever throw trash out of your car window while driving? Do you ever dispose of any non-biodegradable trash out on the earth like so many people do? Or do you keep it with you and dispose of it properly? What is your nature regarding the earth?

[K626]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

What's that then?


K

I am on iPad so can't go get link for you at moment but go do net search for the term Natural Capitalism and you should find a free PDF or online version of the book by the same name. It's paradigm changing.

What are we talking here? A kind of green capitalism?

K

[humanalien]

I just read something somewhere that TPTB wanted to get rid of all
the brown skinned people. I don't know if that includes black people
or not, but the rest of the brown people would surely die.

The means by which they were going to pull this off was not mentioned
but i also read that TPTB have gene specific bio-weapons that could
kill any race they want. This could be a world wide epidemic that only
affects brown skinned people.

[K626]

I just read something somewhere that TPTB wanted to get rid of all
the brown skinned people. I don't know if that includes black people
or not, but the rest of the brown people would surely die.

The means by which they were going to pull this off was not mentioned
but i also read that TPTB have gene specific bio-weapons that could
kill any race they want. This could be a world wide epidemic that only
affects brown skinned people.

If we're talking gene marker specifity I'd need the details on that.

As I said earlier the problem of mutation and blowback remains the main deterrant to this.

K

[nearing]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

What's that then?


K

I am on iPad so can't go get link for you at moment but go do net search for the term Natural Capitalism and you should find a free PDF or online version of the book by the same name. It's paradigm changing.

What are we talking here? A kind of green capitalism?

K

Yes, I suppose. It is an economic system that works like the earth does. Everything is used and/or recycled. Everything used is replenished before it is used again.

There are quite few companies that are already doing business like this and they are great examples for households and governments to follow.

No need to depopulate. Just stop polluting and using things without replacing them. It truly works. It's how Ma Nature does it.

[TargeT]

Our planet can sustain all who are here. It's the ponzi scheme economic system and hierarchical distribution of resources that's the problem. Not numbers of people. Using Natural Capitallsm we can sustain even more and comfortably.

Yeah, global warming & environmental concerns as well as over population are all control mech.s

there IS no global ecological disaster being caused by man, we mess up area's localy, but in reality the earth is as resiliant as we are and its very arrogant to think that what we have done so far has any real lasting effect.

The "Ponzi scheme" as you call it is a good way to think of the economy.

I prefer to discribe it as an economy based on scarcity (which is fabricated), thats the REAL trick.. making us think that there isn't abundance,, confusing us with "peak oil" and other scarcity scare tactics (Oil is the 2nd most prevalant liquid on earth....)

The joke of a system is finaly at the end of its leash, and ONLY because its illusion no longer works on the players... the majority of the population isn't privy to the understanding that financial players know.. thats why no real effort is being made to keep the old system going, too many people know its a trickle up weath consolidation system and when too many people know the games up!

be prepared, let the system go, RESIST A REPLACEMENT SYSTEM WITH ALL RESOURCES AT YOUR DISPOSAL unless you can COMPLETELY agree with it.





Yes, I suppose. It is an economic system that works like the earth does. Everything is used and/or recycled. Everything used is replenished before it is used again.

There are quite few companies that are already doing business like this and they are great examples for households and governments to follow.

No need to depopulate. Just stop polluting and using things without replacing them. It truly works. It's how Ma Nature does it.

Meh,, this smells like eco-activism influenced thought...

"recycling" is an human arogance term..

we don't need to recycle, we need to have a resource based economy where every item is valued by the calorie out put it takes to gather it on a localized basis, it would be an inclusive system where every calorie spent to produce something creates value & is recognized, effort = reward & global or wide spread benifit = reward mulitplier.

we design the system to INHERANTLY self police (through rewards etc) and INHERANTLY encourage inclusiveness & "greater good" through choice, not force.

we need to re learn the true definition of the word "economy", get rid of secrecy and intelectual property.. I have about 8 hours of conversation recorded on this & hope to find time to make it into a short video for public consumption, the more this is talked a bout the better; its a complex subject.

Efficency should be strived for, not profit, when the system works as designed it produces a predictable out come,, thats why we know the current system is doomed, because its working as intended.

[Lifebringer]

Are you insinuating that the people God created, kill souls to keep other people in bigger mansions or multi thousand acre properties.

Wow, just.... wow. Be easier if they just took one to the head that think it's too crowded and then we can all breathe easier. I understand the scientific and the selfish reasons for this, and one without the other it's still terrible to decide who gets to populate the planet.
Cleaner energies and captured water from all the flooding, would go along way towards sustainability, not to mention a birith control pill.

[Lifebringer]

My Dad told me, you can't get pregnant if they eat it, and never seen a jaw or tonsils get knocked up yet.

[TargeT]

not to mention a birith control pill.

Your obviously a male, probably not an older one either I'd guess..

Birthcontrol is hormonal poisen, women globaly suffer from the current methods.

There are a couple that work. condoms, abstinence (obviously) the best was developed in india, costs 5 dollars, reversable, male based birth control that does not use damaging hormones... it simply damages the sperm as they travel.

Personally with current mental & emotional levels of the "general" population I'd be pretty easy to convince that every male should get this done at 5 years old, then it would have to be a concious choice on the part of a male (less inclined over all to have children) for children to be come a part of a relationship...

But I understand that's a bit totalitarian, maybe it wouldn't be that easy to convince me...

[HORIZONS]

How about all males make a deposit in the local bank and then snip snip, problem solved. Of corse you would need to be vary careful about making a withdrawal on your deposits.

[hangel]

I dont think that overpopulation is a problem. Just look how much empty space/land we could have if the politicians and scientists put some effort in weather engineering towards reduction of deserts and waste lands. The number isnt a problem until people continue to live in the cities and towns and behave like they own this planet, instead of thinking that they are guests here among others. Food supply and shops policies are kept in such way that promotes destruction of food. Say what happens to bend cucumbers in all EU countries that never make it to shops?.. Why? because they consider ugly, worthless, defected. The same can be told about apples with spots, that has been shadowed by other apple from sun etc. I have apple tree in my garden, pure organic, no chemicals - just as natural as it can be. Medium tree produces enough apples for few months, up to half a year (if i store it right) for my whole family (3 people), and its just a medium tree. I have never tasted better apples than these from my garden.
If there were apple trees planted in parks and squares in suburban area i dare to say that nobody living there would need to buy apples for several months every year.
Instead we have many trees that dont bare any fruit. Its ok to have variety of species, but there is way too much useless planning or deliberate action to sell us the apples or other seasonal fruits which we could easy have for free. This could be applied to much edible stuff. I also grow tomatoes in flower baskets.. ... Tesco will sell apples from Argentina in the UK.
How many planes/ships are used for that?
How much less petrol, plastics, metal or any kinds of waste we could have less if apples were grown locally and picked by these who like to eat them?
im changing this world by one apple, tomato, cucumber, pumpkin at the time.
i have a small garden n i think that growing veg and fruits in little part of it brings me lots of pleasure n saves the planet with no needs for radical changes.
Of course i will never have 10 or even 5 children, but i still would like to have two or three. I want them to be good people who understand that its unnecessary to buy too much food and let it waste or be shipped from the other side of globe.

The population is NOT a problem, but its current management is.

[TargeT]

we aren't guests, that's not a good way to see it either.

The farms & lands we live on are our external stomachs, they are our "comfort settings" and as soon as we see them as an EXTENTION of us (not something we own, or are guests of) then things will be made right.

we need LESS externalization of power and responsabilty. the EPA will NOT save the world, YOU (I, WE) will! we need less encouragement of slient consent.

we need to stop, forget everything, and remember who and what we really are; and that will never happen with western society leading the way.

[K626]

That's a lovely post Hangel. When I was a student we often used to go to the back of Tesco's at around 7pm for all the good food they threw away (all still beautifully packaged and unopened) because of the sell by date or some small crumpling of the package. We used to collect enough packages of fruit and vegetables and cheese for a week.

K

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we aren't guests, that's not a good way to see it either.

The farms & lands we live on are our external stomachs, they are our "comfort settings" and as soon as we see them as an EXTENTION of us (not something we own, or are guests of) then things will be made right.

we need LESS externalization of power and responsabilty. the EPA will NOT save the world, YOU (I, WE) will! we need less encouragement of slient consent.

we need to stop, forget everything, and remember who and what we really are; and that will never happen with western society leading the way.

Some good sentiments and reading your other posts I am impressed by your thinking...

Coming back to the question at hand. How will they attempt (or have started) depopulation?

K

[K626]

How about all males make a deposit in the local bank and then snip snip, problem solved. Of corse you would need to be vary careful about making a withdrawal on your deposits.

Fertility and birthrates in Europe have been on the decline for the last two decades. Not sure about America.

K

[TargeT]

Coming back to the question at hand. How will they attempt (or have started) depopulation?

K
Many possibilities here, best one I think is oil based.

Currently our entire way of life is dependent on oil (food especially, not only growing food (chemicals, fuel for equipment etc) but distribution of said food.)... and a good portion of it comes from a region which we (US/England etc..) have been influencing (covertly and overtly) since BEFORE oil was discovered.. In fact it almost seems that this is a certainty.

I could go into much more detail, but we have compounded this problem by subsidizing farmers in the US, we can produce food SOO CHEAPLY here that developing countries don't even bother farming anymore... its the perfect set up when you dig into it.

Most large cities have 3-7 day supply of food for the population they serve; and most people have a week or less in their house. a disruption of 30% or more oil production would only need to last a couple of months (easy to do with a "war" etc.. look at the panic over libia) a disruption of 60-70% wouldn't have to last more than half a month.

riots, looting, chaos.. people do NOT understand how thin the line between "civilized" and "anarchy" is.. police do NOT keep a population safe, the population keeps itself safe. Introduce fear, panic & a week of hunger... that’s all it will take.

Now this scenario will not meet the goals, BUT, it will seriously weaken anyone that survives this period, the flu perhaps will get more, I'm sure it will be "insult on injury" at that point to get the numbers down to 500,000,000 or whatever the desired goal is.

what’s the trigger though, that’s the question..

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Hi...

I am no longer so sure about there plan to kill the most of us in one blow..It would be so easy to start even more wars than we see in history, and spread whatever diseases..
No my mind tells me, they prefere slow death, and make our life span shorter, around 30 year old and you die.
And with the rate they are poisen everything we eat drink breath and so on, it make more sense, and they seem to need us, there are no logic to kill the most of us.
Then they have peace!!!!, nope its not a plan of a psychopath. A psychopath make you feel its the end of the world senario, just to have the pleasure to see you suffer.


Thanks...:)

[K626]

Coming back to the question at hand. How will they attempt (or have started) depopulation?

K
Many possibilities here, best one I think is oil based.

Currently our entire way of life is dependent on oil (food especially, not only growing food (chemicals, fuel for equipment etc) but distribution of said food.)... and a good portion of it comes from a region which we (US/England etc..) have been influencing (covertly and overtly) since BEFORE oil was discovered.. In fact it almost seems that this is a certainty.

I could go into much more detail, but we have compounded this problem by subsidizing farmers in the US, we can produce food SOO CHEAPLY here that developing countries don't even bother farming anymore... its the perfect set up when you dig into it.

Most large cities have 3-7 day supply of food for the population they serve; and most people have a week or less in their house. a disruption of 30% or more oil production would only need to last a couple of months (easy to do with a "war" etc.. look at the panic over libia) a disruption of 60-70% wouldn't have to last more than half a month.

riots, looting, chaos.. people do NOT understand how thin the line between "civilized" and "anarchy" is.. police do NOT keep a population safe, the population keeps itself safe. Introduce fear, panic & a week of hunger... that’s all it will take.

Now this scenario will not meet the goals, BUT, it will seriously weaken anyone that survives this period, the flu perhaps will get more, I'm sure it will be "insult on injury" at that point to get the numbers down to 500,000,000 or whatever the desired goal is.

what’s the trigger though, that’s the question..

After one or two months of 'shock' people would just move into the countryside and start growing food...This has been gamed out....

K

[TargeT]

After one or two months of 'shock' people would just move into the countryside and start growing food...This has been gamed out....

K

ONly if it was a descrete event, thats not at all how I see what I described. it would be in combination with something else ( Say,, massive earthquakes, martial law & THEN oil disruption) I see what I described as the feather (or telephone pole) that breaks the cammels back.

it would be very nice if something like this came by itself, it would also be very easy to over come.. Nothing in the past has been this simple and I highly doubt that will change, if something like this is initiated it will be the typical "buffer over run" type of attack. flood the systems, 9/11 style, so much going on that no one can keep track of anything really, sensory over load.

The key here is hte psycological portion, you have to over run people so they basicaly "give uP" and stop trying.. because we CAN live through all of what I described, but not if we aren't willing to.... the psycological aspect is more important than the rest really; that's why waiting for the right sequence of events is key..

and

Thats why I ask the question... what is the trigger? Elenin is fake or real, earth quakes happen or don't, the Euro crash.. All of it at the same time? thats what I see.


Seems like there's a nice fat playbook, and a lot of contingency plans.. and the willingness to wait (however long) untill the sequences line up right.. and THAT is worrysome.

But I'm not afraid, fear IS the mind killer. (thank you Dune!)

[K626]

After one or two months of 'shock' people would just move into the countryside and start growing food...This has been gamed out....

K

ONly if it was a descrete event, thats not at all how I see what I described. it would be in combination with something else ( Say,, massive earthquakes, martial law & THEN oil disruption) I see what I described as the feather (or telephone pole) that breaks the cammels back.

it would be very nice if something like this came by itself, it would also be very easy to over come.. Nothing in the past has been this simple and I highly doubt that will change, if something like this is initiated it will be the typical "buffer over run" type of attack. flood the systems, 9/11 style, so much going on that no one can keep track of anything really, sensory over load.

The key here is hte psycological portion, you have to over run people so they basicaly "give uP" and stop trying.. because we CAN live through all of what I described, but not if we aren't willing to.... the psycological aspect is more important than the rest really; that's why waiting for the right sequence of events is key..

and

Thats why I ask the question... what is the trigger? Elenin is fake or real, earth quakes happen or don't, the Euro crash.. All of it at the same time? thats what I see.


Seems like there's a nice fat playbook, and a lot of contingency plans.. and the willingness to wait (however long) untill the sequences line up right.. and THAT is worrysome.

But I'm not afraid, fear IS the mind killer. (thank you Dune!)


I love those Dune books (films).

All that water hidden on a so-called desert planet. [/wink]

K