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[Eric J (Viking)]

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aC19fEqR5bA

viking

[RMorgan]

Well, this guy is pretty honest. Others would say: -Don´t worry about it, it will all be solved really soon, our governments are taking the appropriate measures...blablabla...

[Adi]

WOW, and thats being honest.

[Muzz]

Who is he and who does he work for? Does anyone know?

[K626]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA

viking

The Euro will be toast within six months.

K

[Jean-Marie]

In the video He says he is a trader.

[Mare]

My word, I don't think I've heard anything like it on the news.

[Jean-Marie]

https://www.facebook.com/alessiorastani

Here is the link to his facebook page.

[the trojan]

absolutely brilliant
and he speaketh the truth

[Earth Angel]

but what does this mean for us who have never bought stock or done a trade in our lives?? are we supposed to figure this out and start making our millions now??

[Mare]

What are the implications of this for ordinary folks? If you have a mortgage will you lose it? If you rent your home will you lose it when the rent stops being payed in? Food. Will it go up in price or disappear off the shelves? Will water, gas and electricity just stop?

I live and work in the city, and only have debts, no real savings. When this guy says prepare yourself what does that mean for us? Stockpile food and water. Drive off into the countryside and pitch a tent, or as far as you can until the diesel runs out. This guy is now comparing it to the 30's and we all know what happened after that.

I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year. Well i'm not interested in scaremongering at all, I prefer to keep upbeat about everything but there are comparisons to be made from the 30's. Jeez.

[bitworm]

Reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWlvBro9eI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWlvBro9eI

[MargueriteBee]

PLEASE post links for those of us who cannot see the embeds!!!!!!!!!!

[Jean-Marie]

What are the implications of this for ordinary folks? If you have a mortgage will you lose it? If you rent your home will you lose it when the rent stops being payed in? Food. Will it go up in price or disappear off the shelves? Will water, gas and electricity just stop?

I live and work in the city, and only have debts, no real savings. When this guy says prepare yourself what does that mean for us? Stockpile food and water. Drive off into the countryside and pitch a tent, or as far as you can until the diesel runs out. This guy is now comparing it to the 30's and we all know what happened after that.

I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year. Well i'm not interested in scaremongering at all, I prefer to keep upbeat about everything but there are comparisons to be made from the 30's. Jeez.

I posted your first paragraph questions on his facebook page. I will post to the forum again when he replies!

[Earth Angel]

I wouldn't mind losing my mortgage just not the house :heh:

[Terra]

Setting the scene, ready for the next great Act. ....robbing bar stewards.

Reminded me of Rothshild's rare appearance on the BBC the day after the last crisis.

YOy5HNIKVFs

[risveglio]

What are the implications of this for ordinary folks? If you have a mortgage will you lose it? If you rent your home will you lose it when the rent stops being payed in? Food. Will it go up in price or disappear off the shelves? Will water, gas and electricity just stop?

I live and work in the city, and only have debts, no real savings. When this guy says prepare yourself what does that mean for us? Stockpile food and water. Drive off into the countryside and pitch a tent, or as far as you can until the diesel runs out. This guy is now comparing it to the 30's and we all know what happened after that.

I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year. Well i'm not interested in scaremongering at all, I prefer to keep upbeat about everything but there are comparisons to be made from the 30's. Jeez.

I posted your first paragraph questions on his facebook page. I will post to the forum again when he replies!

Interested to hear his response but I think that would depend on how far they let it go and more importantly, what "solution" they come up with.

[DevilPigeon]

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Wow... :eek:

[Calz]

Let it go folks.

The old system needs to go.

If you have not yet get a few months of food and water together for the transition ... then keep your spirits high and celebrate.

What? You would prefer continuing the nightmare into transhumanism???

Not me.

IMHO

[risveglio]

Let it go folks.

The old system needs to go.

If you have not yet get a few months of food and water together for the transition ... then keep your spirits high and celebrate.

What? You would prefer continuing the nightmare into transhumanism???

Not me.

IMHO

Nah, I am more concerned about getting sucked into a bigger cage.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

PLEASE post links for those of us who cannot see the embeds!!!!!!!!!!


Not sure what you mean, so I will try various options. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpg76VjTa58&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpg76VjTa58&feature=related




I am not sure what to make of this, but it is rather surprising.

[TargeT]

This is suprising? really?

[araucaria]

What are the implications of this for ordinary folks? If you have a mortgage will you lose it? If you rent your home will you lose it when the rent stops being payed in? Food. Will it go up in price or disappear off the shelves? Will water, gas and electricity just stop?

I live and work in the city, and only have debts, no real savings. When this guy says prepare yourself what does that mean for us? Stockpile food and water. Drive off into the countryside and pitch a tent, or as far as you can until the diesel runs out. This guy is now comparing it to the 30's and we all know what happened after that.

I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year. Well i'm not interested in scaremongering at all, I prefer to keep upbeat about everything but there are comparisons to be made from the 30's. Jeez.

Good questions Mare.
Tell me, you must be watching the pope too ;) - how long do your reckon the old boy has got left. We all know when the Olympics are but that would be a real scoop.

[GlassSteagallfan]

I wouldn't mind losing my mortgage just not the house :heh:

In court, tell them to produce the note.


Apparently, its not about saving the system, its about making money on the crash. To hell with the consequenses.

[Anno]

My question would be this. If 'Europe' collapses -remembering that it is a contractualy created club not a 'place'- what will happen to all the ex-european citizens living in places like the UK, France, Germany and Netherlands?

They're not exactly welcome and this would give a perfectly legitimate excuse to start mass deportation as well as ending aid packages and trade agreements.

We should remember that the UK has never adopted the Euro. You can spend them here in some shops but we're still officially £GBP.

However, the other side is that the most deprived parts of the UK have been depending on funds like ERDF and ESF for years now. If they stop then a lot of our charity sector and public sector are going to find themselves unemployed.

[Mike]

My question would be this. If 'Europe' collapses -remembering that it is a contractualy created club not a 'place'- what will happen to all the ex-european citizens living in places like the UK, France, Germany and Netherlands?

They're not exactly welcome and this would give a perfectly legitimate excuse to start mass deportation as well as ending aid packages and trade agreements.

We should remember that the UK has never adopted the Euro. You can spend them here in some shops but we're still officially £GBP.

However, the other side is that the most deprived parts of the UK have been depending on funds like ERDF and ESF for years now. If they stop then a lot of our charity sector and public sector are going to find themselves unemployed.

they'll all get stuck in airports! ;)

haven't you seen the movie 'Terminal', w/tom Hanks?

[Anno]

My question would be this. If 'Europe' collapses -remembering that it is a contractualy created club not a 'place'- what will happen to all the ex-european citizens living in places like the UK, France, Germany and Netherlands?

They're not exactly welcome and this would give a perfectly legitimate excuse to start mass deportation as well as ending aid packages and trade agreements.

We should remember that the UK has never adopted the Euro. You can spend them here in some shops but we're still officially £GBP.

However, the other side is that the most deprived parts of the UK have been depending on funds like ERDF and ESF for years now. If they stop then a lot of our charity sector and public sector are going to find themselves unemployed.

they'll all get stuck in airports! ;)

haven't you seen the movie 'Terminal', w/tom Hanks?

I love that film. I think a few containers of arm bands and a reminder that 'the Channel isn't that big really' might be more likely. Or maybe line up them Boy Girl Boy Girl and have a walking train through the Chunnel.

As a side comment. This guy in the video is American. America is worried that some countries were threatening to adopt the Euro standard instead of the Dollar standard, which would be seriously bad news for the US. This could be Disinfo, although I'm not sure MI5 would allow it on their official Tv Station.

This is also one of those mystery threads we get where there are more unregistered people watching than registered ones. 57 at present. That always makes me suspicious.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

This is suprising? really?

MEH

panem et circenses :)

[TargeT]

America is worried that some countries were threatening to adopt the Euro standard instead of the Dollar standard, which would be seriously bad news for the US. This could be Disinfo, although I'm not sure MI5 would allow it on their official Tv Station.
.

Not really, maybe if the Euro had a lot more stability behind it...

But the fear is real ( just don't add in "euro") russia / china / Iran is the most credible "alternate dollar" oil sales issue in my mind.. and yes, that would mean the end of the US economy.

[Mike]

a mystery thread indeed, Anno. just noticed that.

though i don't know whether to read into it too much. the last sort of unassuming thread to get this much attention was one on hair. yes, HAIR. lol! i honestly thought there was some sort of glitch in the system.

but yeah, this is nuts! currently there are 81 users! (30 members and 51 guests).

conspiracy police, pull over.

[Anno]

[...]though i don't know whether to read into it too much. the last sort of unassuming thread to get this much attention was one on hair. yes, HAIR. lol! i honestly thought there was some sort of glitch in the system.[...]

I remember that one. A good thread indeed. It's always threads like that one that get the attention from the ghosts but registered members soon get distracted by the aliens and whatnots. There are lots of deep truths hidden in threads that never go past a page of posts and the ghosts are usually in attendance watching them.

[Pete]

the best thing they could do is freeze trading. these traders can smell the blood of a financial killing and they will be blind until the deed is done.

[ghostrider]

interesting , I don't care what the market does I just want to know how I can make money from it. to hell with the average folks, and their savings, and their children's future , How can I make money in a downward market ? this guy should be hung in public and all his friends forced to watch. He said he doesn't care about the market, just how much money can he make ..... this is the problem , no one care about anyone else just their own personal wealth . If this is their thinking, then no wonder things are the way we are, paper is worth nothing, you can't live inside paper, or eat paper, or heal yourself with paper, or drive your paper to work, it's just green paper, backed by gold or silver or some politican't words. I hope he is the first one broke and homeless and hungry and sick and needing help. I would tell him I'm no concerned how sick you are just , how can I make money from it.....

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

This guy said some major truths that I'd like to spell out:

- The Governments don't run the world, the banks do (or at least try their best to remain in power). We here knew this, but being aired on BBC makes it interesting.

- The traders and the "smart money" do not care, let me repeat that as it seems to be important, they do not care if the market goes up or down or it crashes. They have the financial instruments to "protect their assets", to bet against the market and so on. So those that get to see the trend in advance, or are powerful enough to influence it, are going to make money regardless of what recovery package Obama talks about, or what "cuts" or "austerity measures" are put in place.

- as he implies with his prayers, a market crash is a big opportunity to make big money fast, if you know how to do it. This suggests (to me) that there is a big interest that the market should crash.

Also, I'd like to say that I think this trader's suggestion to protect your assets are further traps, because he has only suggested paper assets. Those paper assets present the risk of going lower in value than the actual paper they are printed on. (I got the impression that he suggested that the dollar would be a better investment, while the euro would not. That's a trap, in my mind).

PS: This guy should not be hung, he should be given a medal for trying to tell it like it is! while the rest, sugar coat the issue, to make it palatable.

[lake]

Please remember that at this point you still have a free will choice,

love or fear

The things which will come to be, will be and are here to help each learn.

with love
gary

[araucaria]

My question would be this. If 'Europe' collapses -remembering that it is a contractualy created club not a 'place'- what will happen to all the ex-european citizens living in places like the UK, France, Germany and Netherlands?

They're not exactly welcome and this would give a perfectly legitimate excuse to start mass deportation as well as ending aid packages and trade agreements.

We should remember that the UK has never adopted the Euro. You can spend them here in some shops but we're still officially £GBP.

However, the other side is that the most deprived parts of the UK have been depending on funds like ERDF and ESF for years now. If they stop then a lot of our charity sector and public sector are going to find themselves unemployed.

This is a very 'site specific' remark, as they say in contemporary art circles. Many of us at Avalon seem to be living in places which we are advised to quit - usually because, like most of the global population, we are within paddling distance of the sea.

I personally am not going anywhere. Let's just see how this plays out, shall we?

[christian]

So the Euro is toast he says. Of course it is.

The thing with rat poison is, that you got to get the rat to eat it, so you feed the poison with 99% delicious stuff.

The safe havens he mentions are 30 year treasury bonds or the dollar.

You got to be kidding, folks, get a grip. I don't know what his motivations are, but he is creepy to say the least. He says "I'm not interested in fixing the situation, I just want to make money" - What a decent role model. Could well just be another diversion from the real elephant in the room by adressing people's survival interest and greed (reptilian brain), this is a classic case of NLP, mention "you could profit from the situation" a couple of times in different variations and you will see how people would even buy 30 year treasuries, there is hardly a better way to trash your money.

He does not mention gold or silver at all.

All fiat currencies are like sky-divers without parachutes, sometimes one appears to be closer to the crash, sometimes the other, but they are all determined to crash.

Figure out, that the whole system is a fraud and focus on creating a whole new one, based actually on decent values like trust, mutual assistance, self-responsibility, kindness and moderation and not on greed, control, deceit, bondage etc.

[araucaria]

Not only am I not going anywhere, I am not buying gold or silver - totally inedible, and lead is just as good on the end of a fishing line.

[Cidersomerset]

He is just telling us what we know on here , the economic cycle is the pressure valve the Banksters/Ellites have always used since modern banking 200 years ago....Thats how they make alot of there wealth by flooding markets with cheap money and stimulus, then crashing them and clawing it back..They have no qualms about economic casualties and that chap just had the courage to tell the truth......

The news reporter reaction was a treat......What they want to do now is play the David Icke interview Fraimin put up earlier , he explains the economic situation in very clear BBC english...

Bear in mind he used to read the news on the BBC , he'd certainly have 'Paxman' and co in a 'tizz'......... Cheers Steve..

[Pete]

I'm sure we all know that this is a planned act. this actually should be stopped before it goes too far. This guy has used the words "the Elite" and has told an unpalatable truth," governments do not rule the world, Goldman Sachs rules the world". Well as I understand it, everyone has to abide by the laws and if the governments stepped in and shut the markets there wouldn't be much that Goldman Sachs could do about it.

[HORIZONS]

Not only am I not going anywhere, I am not buying gold or silver - totally inedible, and lead is just as good on the end of a fishing line.

I say invest in sugar - buy all you can stockpile - it will be worth more than gold when everything else is toast. Oh, and don't forget to stock up on coffee too. ;)

[Cidersomerset]

Don't panic the world is not going to end , there is to much cash and suffering in it for them...

They have economic cycles for everything banking...

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The thing is like everything the elites have known this for years....

[christian]

This guy said some major truths that I'd like to spell out:

- The Governments don't run the world, the banks do (or at least try their best to remain in power). We here knew this, but being aired on BBC makes it interesting.

- The traders and the "smart money" do not care, let me repeat that as it seems to be important, they do not care if the market goes up or down or it crashes. They have the financial instruments to "protect their assets", to bet against the market and so on. So those that get to see the trend in advance, or are powerful enough to influence it, are going to make money regardless of what recovery package Obama talks about, or what "cuts" or "austerity measures" are put in place.

- as he implies with his prayers, a market crash is a big opportunity to make big money fast, if you know how to do it. This suggests (to me) that there is a big interest that the market should crash.

I see where you're coming from and what you say is entirely true on some level.

But what I also see happening here is suckering people into this mentality of not caring and just looking for profits, appearing different and kind of smarter than the regular TV heads.

And concerning the Goldman Sachs issue, it's vital to point out, that we rule the world by our actual silent consent. Don't ever let someone tell you that we don't have power. Bankers and the rest of the cabal worked in secret for such a long time to eventually establish a neo-feudal system out in the open. Right now they are loosing grip as humans break free mentally and also beginning physically. This seems like a backdoor try to lure people into believing that banks really do rule the world, they only have the power that we allow them to have. If he would have said that, I would really commend him, so he is just showing the audience the other side of the old-paradigm coin, well, to be fair, that might wake up some people, but I intend to transcend this game eventually, I'm not satisfied with "being on the winning" side of a pile of crap, I want to be on the winning side leaving the old paradigm behind!

[Cidersomerset]

Jorden Maxwell and David Icke has been telling us all about this for years ........

' PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION '


To many people have been living beyond their means for years, to a bank you are only a good customer if you are in debt , thats why it was so easy to get credit.


jlOUXWQP-KM


'REMEMBER THEY WANT YOU IN A STATE OF FEAR'

SO YOU WILL EXCEPT ANY SOLUTION THEY PUT FORWARD...............DAVID ICKE....

[Ilie Pandia]

And concerning the Goldman Sachs issue, it's vital to point out, that we rule the world by our actual silent consent. Don't ever let someone tell you that we don't have power. Bankers and the rest of the cabal worked in secret for such a long time to eventually establish a neo-feudal system out in the open. Right now they are loosing grip as humans break free mentally and also beginning physically. This seems like a backdoor try to lure people into believing that banks really do rule the world, they only have the power that we allow them to have. If he would have said that, I would really commend him, so he is just showing the audience the other side of the old-paradigm coin, well, to be fair, that might wake up some people, but I intend to transcend this game eventually, I'm not satisfied with "being on the winning" side of a pile of crap, I want to be on the winning side leaving the old paradigm behind!

Hi chiquetet,

Thanks for pointing this out! I agree with you and I should have ended my post with an empowering message like yours! I'm pretty sure that "the trader" does a play, to lure us into a frame of mind as you very well said! He avoids key issues, makes misleading suggestions or omissions and so on. I do not think he is very aware of that though, and this why I think his brave to speak his mind (as he sees it).

However I choose to view this video also as a sign that we are waking up and are recognizing our power and our own intelligence :)

[TargeT]

... we are waking up and are recognizing our power and our own intelligence :)

I see this everywhere, from the most unexpected sources.

People I had written off as self indulgent "TV watchers" have begun asking the kinds of questions that let you know there's more to them than just the next gratification; I have a lot of hope because of this.

[araucaria]

Not only am I not going anywhere, I am not buying gold or silver - totally inedible, and lead is just as good on the end of a fishing line.

I say invest in sugar - buy all you can stockpile - it will be worth more than gold when everything else is toast. Oh, and don't forget to stock up on coffee too. ;)

Sugar's bad for you, didn't you know?

Eat aspartame instead :rolleyes:

[Pete]

Hey look here, says they are going to suspend trading on a given date, to be read between the lines. I have been following Red and his heart is in the right place, he's also a pretty good trader. worth checking out.

http://reddragonleo.com/

[HORIZONS]

Not only am I not going anywhere, I am not buying gold or silver - totally inedible, and lead is just as good on the end of a fishing line.

I say invest in sugar - buy all you can stockpile - it will be worth more than gold when everything else is toast. Oh, and don't forget to stock up on coffee too. ;)

Sugar's bad for you, didn't you know?

Eat aspartame instead :rolleyes:

yes I do know that - that's why it will be of more value then gold - lol. Didn't you know people like what's bad for them? ;)

[1159]

There's more to consider than a few months of food and water if the economy collapses. The banks/ building societies are not the place to leave your money when markets go down the tube. Additionally, having any kind of debts or loans is also unsafe, as creditors will be realising assets wherever they can. That means mortgages and long term investments will also be under threat.

If they use this opportunity to kick-start the global currency and all that it entails, you may have to sign up, get chipped, whatever, just to get your money out. Many people have a 'nest egg' for the rainy. Well that rainy day maybe just around the corner. I would personally strongly consider stock piling extensive supplies of food, water purification, medicines, fuel for transport and heating, plus learning to be as self contained in every way possible. Invest in solar and wind technology. Start collecting a 12VDC collection of appliances, get a bicycle and learn how to produce your own food.

These are very uncertain times, not only celestialy, but also planetarily. As above, so below. The future belongs to those who prepare for it!

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Terra that interview with De Rothchild was interresting, sounds like he's got the inside nod on the senate vote......But it was at the end of the interview that was
ammusing, interview protocol, especially on tv is common knowledge you stay in your seat until the camara pans away.......Mr. De Rothchild was having none of that
and off he went....LOL

[Eric J (Viking)]

I personally wouldn't buy into anything (ie stocks ecxt)...this could be the start of a 'new paradigm' ... where materialistic views towards making a quick buck will not apply...

I look forward to the crash and the next chapter...by design? who knows...

Exciting times ...

viking

[araucaria]

Didn't you know people like what's bad for them?
They don't - it's actually very good for them, which is why they're told otherwise.

And the greatest consumer of glucose is, you've got it, the brain.

[ViralSpiral]

currently there are 81 users! (30 members and 51 guests).





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[Smoke Me A Kipper]

That's it, I'm putting my money in frozen orange juice and pork bellies. At least that way I'll have something to eat an drink!

[steveofengland]

They seemed to have switched tack on news at ten. no sign of doom spreading traders, just how hard it will be to get all parties to go for the bailout plan. Are they just stalling for time here trying to make the public believe
everything will be okay to keep mass panic under control? What are they stalling for?

[Anno]

[...]What are they stalling for?

Maybe someone 'upstairs' has made a phonecall after watching this thread to see how we react?

We'd make for a valuable test audience as none of us would openly go be in one for them. Yet here they can just watch anonymously and interact with us anonymously if they have accounts.

14 Members 25 Guests.

[Buck]

Hello,

This guy said some major truths that I'd like to spell out:

- The Governments don't run the world, the banks do (or at least try their best to remain in power). We here knew this, but being aired on BBC makes it interesting.

- The traders and the "smart money" do not care, let me repeat that as it seems to be important, they do not care if the market goes up or down or it crashes. They have the financial instruments to "protect their assets", to bet against the market and so on. So those that get to see the trend in advance, or are powerful enough to influence it, are going to make money regardless of what recovery package Obama talks about, or what "cuts" or "austerity measures" are put in place.

- as he implies with his prayers, a market crash is a big opportunity to make big money fast, if you know how to do it. This suggests (to me) that there is a big interest that the market should crash.

Also, I'd like to say that I think this trader's suggestion to protect your assets are further traps, because he has only suggested paper assets. Those paper assets present the risk of going lower in value than the actual paper they are printed on. (I got the impression that he suggested that the dollar would be a better investment, while the euro would not. That's a trap, in my mind).

PS: This guy should not be hung, he should be given a medal for trying to tell it like it is! while the rest, sugar coat the issue, to make it palatable.

hang the guy from the nearest lamp post or give him a medal.
Hmm.
Alarm bells should be ringing here for my fellow Avalonians-

remember, discernment is critical;

1) judging from many reactions on here, (including yours David)- this message is crafted to instantly seduce anyone who has a strong opinion and or fear about the euro and financial stability of europe and the world (look again- remarkably well done, isn't it- perfect casting; the beady eyed soul-less profiteer with his slicked back hair and rueful smirking arrogance, plays against the reaction of the nice but clearly shocked and out of her depth interviewer lady)
2) it is highly unusual, ie; departs from pattern. (media messaging is very tightly controlled.)
3) check source of speaker- even Huffpo mentions he may not even be a trader, some comment that he allegedly runs a blog about trading selling advice and subscription service. Don't presume any legitimacy where there is none warranted as of yet.
4) who might benefit from an unusual and powerfully dose of fear injected into the mainstream right about now?
5) why now, as in right now?

[steveofengland]

I found something interesting a while back, can't remember the site now but its title was "the one hour meltdown" in which the author gave an insightful view of what would occur in the first 24hours of financial electronic switch off of atms and card based payment systems.
If nobody could access their cash society would crumble in mere hours. since I read that article my weekly pay gets taken out the morning it goes in. I think the author is a pastor or something but he seems to have the right take on things and details plans for living through this type of scenario. Just Google "one hour meltdown"

[schneider]

I have been hearing about the euro crashing for 2 years now. I think he said within 12 months it would happen. There is still so much debt that can't be repaid and greece will probably default on its loans. Banks in spain and portugal are next to default so I think people will start pulling money out of banks. I believe the euro will crash. If it does the entire world will be affected. The dollar will go up (but not forever)because it is still considered a safe haven in times of global crises. The world is going to experience a deflationary period so most things wiill come down in value, including housing. It is difficult to determine the time frame because governments will step in and try and prop up banks to keep them from failing. It is just a matter of time but the time is getting nearer. Money can be made in shorting the stock market, but you need to know what you are doing. It would be smart to have extra money set aside in case there is a run on the banks and people start pulling all their money out.

[ThePythonicCow]

PLEASE post links for those of us who cannot see the embeds!!!!!!!!!!

I changed the youtube embedding in Post #1 of this thread, so that it shows the link now.

I recommend youtube embedders go to the Sandbox thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14962-Sandbox-thread-OK-to-practice-posting-here), and play with the YouTube icon for embedding Youtube videos in posts. That gives the best presentation results, once you get the hang of it. Thanks to some changes Ilie made last month, you can paste the entire Youtube URL in that, and it should work.

[RAZ]

This is an article posted today in zerohedge, an alt site for traders to vent & share some serious issues about how it really works in the markets…

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/new-study-%E2%80%93-traders-are-worse-psychopaths

This is the Blog for Alessio Rastani, the one giving the BBC clip...
http://www.leadingtrader.com/

New Study – Traders are worse than Psychopaths

Submitted by Bruce Krasting

The University in St. Gallen, Switzerland (how appropriate) has come out with a study that compares traders with psychopaths. The surprising result was that not only do traders act like psychos, they’re worse. I’m not surprised at this at all. From NZZ:
The study reviewed the direct comparison of results with an existing study of 24 psychopaths in German high-security hospitals and a control group of 27 "normal" people.
The “normal people” that is referred to are 27 traders. Stock guys, FX/commodities traders and derivative types were the “normal' people that were stacked up against the actual crazies in the German nut house.
Even the experts were surprised by the result. They attest to the stock market professionals with a penchant for immense destruction.
The performance of the 27 dealers is even worse than the psychopaths.
"It's like beating one of the neighbor’s expensive cars with a baseball bat with the sole objective of owning the most beautiful car in the neighborhood."
Now that we “know” (what was has been suspected all along) that traders are nuts it’s worth looking at what a textbook definition of a psycho actually is.
1. Considerable superficial charm, verbal facility and average or above average intelligence.


2. Unreliability, disregard for obligations, no sense of responsibility.


3. Untruthfulness and insincerity.


4. Inexplicable impulsiveness.


5. Antisocial behavior.


6. Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience.


7. Total self-centeredness.


8. General poverty of deep and lasting emotions.


9. Lack of any true insight, inability to see oneself as others do.

10. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes even when not drinking--vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts, pranks.


11. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated sex life.
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There was a point in my life where I thought of myself as a successful trader. A “Master of the Universe”; a “Big swinging d!ck”. That was 20 years ago. Looking at the above list makes me cringe. To one degree or another all the descriptions fit parts of my life at the time.
I’m “All better” now…….

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well this turned out to be a load of baloney...nothing at a later time on the news...nothing....

I would have thought that if the PTB wanted this to reach the masses, then they would have aired it in maximum viewing time!! nothing at all in the evening news... :confused:

Another day ...

viking

[jackovesk]

I just 'Remote Viewed' the date of the 'Economic Crash'..!


It WILL Happen between October 10th - 13th 2011..!

So there's another date we have to look out for..! In the meantime can I suggest you all get your Financial House in order...

The Crash will be designed to be NEVERENDING........

Could it be the 11th? Makes sense...

11 + 11 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 1 = 26 (2 + 6) = 8 (The Number for Infinity)

[Eric J (Viking)]

I just 'Remote Viewed' the date of the 'Economic Crash'..!


It WILL Happen between October 10th - 13th 2011..!

So there's another date we have to look out for..! In the meantime can I suggest you all get your Financial House in order...

The Crash will be designed to be NEVERENDING........

Could it be the 11th? Makes sense...

11 + 11 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 1 = 26 (2 + 6) = 8 (The Number for Infinity)

"The more recent post by Ben Fulford and David Wilcock speaks of the Stock Market being shutdown on 11-11-11…" ??

viking

[learninglight]

Well said Ilie you beat me to it:)

I'm surprised how many are shocked by what he says. thats what traders do, they trade and dont give a ****e, its about the money and nothing else matters

much love

Hello,

This guy said some major truths that I'd like to spell out:

- The Governments don't run the world, the banks do (or at least try their best to remain in power). We here knew this, but being aired on BBC makes it interesting.

- The traders and the "smart money" do not care, let me repeat that as it seems to be important, they do not care if the market goes up or down or it crashes. They have the financial instruments to "protect their assets", to bet against the market and so on. So those that get to see the trend in advance, or are powerful enough to influence it, are going to make money regardless of what recovery package Obama talks about, or what "cuts" or "austerity measures" are put in place.

- as he implies with his prayers, a market crash is a big opportunity to make big money fast, if you know how to do it. This suggests (to me) that there is a big interest that the market should crash.

Also, I'd like to say that I think this trader's suggestion to protect your assets are further traps, because he has only suggested paper assets. Those paper assets present the risk of going lower in value than the actual paper they are printed on. (I got the impression that he suggested that the dollar would be a better investment, while the euro would not. That's a trap, in my mind).

PS: This guy should not be hung, he should be given a medal for trying to tell it like it is! while the rest, sugar coat the issue, to make it palatable.

[ktlight]

"In a scary and painfully frank interview a freaked out BBC interviewer is visibly shaken when market trader Alessio Rastani predicts that the "Market is Toast." Apparently there is nothing Euro governments can do.
Update:
If you are on Facebook Alessio is commenting further. This may be one of the most important debates on Net at the moment.!
http://www.facebook.com/alessiorastani & twitter @alessiorastani"

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[Truthseeker85]

Got to applaud this guy's frankness in this interview. Although he will have something to gain out of this, at least he is getting the message out there. Suprised this isnt more smokescreened in msm though. Maybe times are a changing!!

Peace

Jamie

P.S. Cannot wait for the good times ahead

[xion]

Finally some good news. This is gonna be a wild ride downward.

[Truthseeker85]

Finally some good news. This is gonna be a wild ride downward.

Depends how u look at the situation :)

[Anno]

[...]I would have thought that if the PTB wanted this to reach the masses, then they would have aired it in maximum viewing time!! nothing at all in the evening news... :confused:
[...]

Perhaps they were targeting a different audience then? The kind likely to notice this then talk about it in certain internet forums. Whilst an abnormal number of 'guests' watch.

Let's not forget Charlie Veitch and Alex Jones have both worked with the BBC this year. They know we're here, Viking. =]

[Cidersomerset]

Funny what a difference a day makes everything is up..................

They love to scare us , so they can keep up their wheeler dealing.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/stockmarket/3/default.stm

[Davidallany]

this guy should be hung in public and all his friends forced to watch.
Your thoughts are betraying you my friend. I wouldn't want to see my brother hanged while my family watch. How am I better if i think violence, take life, or cut thieves hands.
If interviewed man was awakened, he wouldn't think like he does. I truly have sympathy for him.

[steveofengland]

There is a news report on at 6-40pm tonight regarding this trader please listen to bbc Radio 2 at 6,40 pm GMT.

[Orange]

Whoa! :O can't believe this.

[Pete]

I really would advise you to look at reddragonleo.com he has a very informative site that gives links to red and blue pill sites. I have followed him for some time and have found his analysis to be very accurate. he particularly states that the Legatus pilgrimage that ends on the 23-10-11 as a turning point. This organisation attached to the vatican (bank) allows them to cash their cheques and decide upon market movements (similar to Bilderbergers). There is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence to support this view.
Red believes that they communicate to one another via fake prints that are hidden on the trading platforms and again has predicted with some accuracy where and when the market is headed. I don't want to alarm and add to the fear but the type of crash they are predicting will be far more fierce and destructive than anything previously experienced. there is a fake print that shows a figure of about 36.4 on the S&P.

[Anno]

There is a news report on at 6-40pm tonight regarding this trader please listen to bbc Radio 2 at 6,40 pm GMT.

Wow, Simon Mayo. He used to get me ready for school in the morning.

[grapevine]

I sent a copy of the video to my boss last night and he dismissed it as "just somebody's opinion" and asked me "did you get the video from that forum of yours"? Well I had to admit that I had but said that it was a legitimate clip from BBC news and that it was just something to bear in mind. Honestly ..... really hard work. So asleep I could hear him snoring :)

[Billy]

Cool, my dream also, Does this mean we do not have to be slaves and pay to live on Mother Earth anymore, long overdue :clap2:

[Terra]

Trader was not a hoaxer, says BBC

Alessio Rastani is an independent market trader and says ''I've been dreaming of another recession''

A financial trader who appeared on the BBC and said he dreamed of making money from another recession was not a hoaxer, the broadcaster has said.

Users of Twitter have cast doubt on Alessio Rastani's credentials.

But the BBC said: "We've carried out detailed investigations and can't find any evidence to suggest that the interview... was a hoax."

On his website Mr Rastani says he is "an experienced stock market and forex trader and professional speaker".

In the interview, broadcast on the BBC News Channel on Monday, Mr Rastani said traders "dream of recessions".
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Who cares if he is or is not real. What we should be paying attention to is our own surprise at hearing his words”

Mike Bonanno The Yes Men

He was interviewed live and said: "For most traders, we don't really care that much how they're going to fix the economy, how they're going to fix the whole situation - our job is to make money from it.

"Personally I've been dreaming of this moment for three years. I have a confession, which is I go to bed every night, I dream of another recession."

He then added: "The governments don't rule the world. [Investment bank] Goldman Sachs rules the world. Goldman Sachs does not care about this rescue package, neither does the big funds."

After Twitter speculation that he was a member of hoaxers The Yes Men, the BBC press office made enquiries and concluded: "He is an independent market trader and one of a range of voices we've had on air to talk about the recession."

The Yes Men said Mr Rastani was not connected with the group, however, The Yes Men's Mike Bonanno said Mr Rastani's comments were suspicious.

He told the BBC: "People in power don't speak that way. But who cares if he is or is not real. What we should be paying attention to is our own surprise at hearing his words."

Mr Bonanno said that "real industry insiders ... usually remain silent about the way the system works".

"They obscure their actions with technical jargon and deceit. They have to, because when people find out what is going on - when it is spoken in plain language - there is widespread outrage."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15078419

[WhiteFeather]

I myself hope it all goes down the crapper real soon, so we can flush it all away, flush it down. Then perhaps we can finally move forward as a civilization collectively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo

[Corncrake]

BBC Financial Expert confesses he is 'an attention seeker not a trader' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8792829/BBC-financial-expert-Alessio-Rastani-Im-an-attention-seeker-not-a-trader.html

[Laura Elina]

It's front page news here: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/bbc-victim-hoax-no-yes-men-154724196.html

Interesting to see, if this piece of news disappears into the background, or if they declare him a "hoax" everywhere.

[Davidallany]

Cool, my dream also, Does this mean we do not have to be slaves and pay to live on Mother Earth anymore, long overdue
The slave masters thought "This business of keeping the salves near by, feeding them, caring for them if they fall ill, personally whipping them for insubordination is becoming tiredsome. Come let us make the slaves in our image, let them buy food, land, education. We'll creat overseers and call them Police, they will become our long reaching arm holding the old whip, to beat any non conformers into submission. We will make it appear to slaves as though they have freedom, if they don't see how we live our luxurious lives without lifting a finger, then they will believe that they are free, we'll create entertianments, confusions to keep them occupied, the invisible leash we will use is money. From now on they must pay money to have their superficial freedom, and to be able to pay they must become slaves, but they won't suspect it, we'll just say that it is something honorable and recommended by God to earn bread. It is vital that we implement this plan when circumstances agree without fultering or delay, because the numbers of slaves is exploding and the old ways of contorlling them is obsolete and need alterations."

Money has been the new leash for the slaves. Hear, Hear to freedom brothers and sisters.

[Phoenix10]

What are the implications of this for ordinary folks? If you have a mortgage will you lose it? If you rent your home will you lose it when the rent stops being payed in? Food. Will it go up in price or disappear off the shelves? Will water, gas and electricity just stop?

I live and work in the city, and only have debts, no real savings. When this guy says prepare yourself what does that mean for us? Stockpile food and water. Drive off into the countryside and pitch a tent, or as far as you can until the diesel runs out. This guy is now comparing it to the 30's and we all know what happened after that.

I had a dream many years ago that made me sit upright in bed when I awoke from it. A voice in the dream that sounded like God in one of those early Cecille B DeMille religious epics, said 'There will be war after the games but not before the death of the Pope'. Every year since especially Olympic time and world cup football time I kept checking up on the Pope you know, and then I gave it up as just a daft dream. Then it occurred to me earlier this year that the UK (where I live) hosts the Olympics next year. Well i'm not interested in scaremongering at all, I prefer to keep upbeat about everything but there are comparisons to be made from the 30's. Jeez.

I've been involved in property and the stockmarket for a few years and knowing what I know now, my take on it is that the ponzi scheme that we know as money is collapsing, so there will be little use for the promissory notes that we use as an exchange mechanism. The collapse is due to the fact that it is based on a fiat currency and fractional reserve banking... i.e. FRAUD. Why would we want to rebuild or continue with a commercial system that is causing so much greed, grief and stress in our lives.

This is an opportunity to begin a new paradigm where people are free to choose how they want to live their lives, to respect our planet, return to a healthy, natural way of living where we remember who and what we really are, to 'know' that there is no lack except in our mind.

When the collapse comes, by happy and be prepared to participate in building a new global community... one without fear. Many people have started growing their own food and looking for alternative heat sources for some time.

There is a lot of negative information around and that leads to fear. It would be wise to sit quietly and consider your own lifestyle as it is and imagine the world as you would like it to be. Get an understanding of the money myth - a couple of good videos to watch... hope these help!


http://youtu.be/_doYllBk5No


http://youtu.be/6zZ_JfROhOE

[Pete]

just as a note to as to what we can replace this bad system with, I read a book called "Cradle to Cradle"

http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm

this would be a very good place to start.

[sygh]

America is worried that some countries were threatening to adopt the Euro standard instead of the Dollar standard, which would be seriously bad news for the US. This could be Disinfo, although I'm not sure MI5 would allow it on their official Tv Station.
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Not really, maybe if the Euro had a lot more stability behind it...

But the fear is real ( just don't add in "euro") russia / china / Iran is the most credible "alternate dollar" oil sales issue in my mind.. and yes, that would mean the end of the US economy.

Didn't this guy say Europeans were opting out of the market and investing in dollars? I don't know how well that will bode for the U.S. or those who choose to change their investment tack, as our growth is 0 (actually below 0, as people are still being foreclosed upon and businesses are drying up).

The EU is asking Germany to float Greece until December. Further, as I understand it, the EU banks plan to print plenty of money, i.e., flood the market. By doing so, talking heads say the depression (called recession) won't go down exactly the way it went down in the 30's. Regardless of how the banking community presents it, it will be a depression none the less. Only this time, it looks like it will be drawn out.

With the idea of fairness being -tax the rich and then redistribute it to the poor, as opposed to paying the workers a fair compensation for their work to being with, I don't see how this will change anything for the better. I think it's time to get rid of the stock market. It doesn't make sense to pay investors more money than those who work at the job every day. When did it become alright to pay workers so little they can't keep a roof over their heads, let alone have enough wage to obtain healthcare while smart investors are seeing record returns?

Further, I just heard that GM, here in the U.S., plans to go to China and build, of all things, the "Cadillac". GM's horrible little electric car isn't perfected, is totally too expensive, and doesn't sell well in the U.S. for those reasons. So, now they're going to China and gonna build exactly the same frickin' lousy car they "supposedly" went belly up for. Look at that company mindset. And our governemtn used TARP funds to bail these guys out. What a waste.

[sygh]

just as a note to as to what we can replace this bad system with, I read a book called "Cradle to Cradle"

http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm

this would be a very good place to start.

This is called "Sustainability". It's a great movement and it is growing rapidly. Have you heard of the LEED program in the U.S? In your country it is called BREEAM. I'm not fond of LEED, and its not because they don't have a good program, its because they charge an arm and a leg to become certified. What they charge takes a big chunk if money away from what you or, I could make doing the necessary work, and the finished product.

Its like charging $12.00 for a couple of eggs over easy with toast on the side.