Angel like Alien Falls To Earth On Live Security Cam, Jakarta, Indonesia, Sept 2011,

[The One]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

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Date of sighting: September 11, 2011
Location of sighting: South Jakarta, Indonesia


Earlier this month, an angel was caught on a closed circuit television (CCTV) video in Cilandak Town Square, South Jakarta, Indonesia. The luminous glowing apparition that appears on the grainy black and white CCTV video certainly has all the hallmarks of being an actual alien. It doesn't take any imagination to see that the alien creature sports large white wings visible on the sides of its body. It seems to drop from the sky out of nowhere and disappears as quickly as it came. According to the time stamp on the video, this alien was recorded on September 11, 2011. A woman named Pramana Abbas commented on the event stating: "My cousin was in Cilandak on that night and the people who witnessed it was talking about it the whole night. Its real. They saw this bright light coming down from the sky, hit the ground, then took off."

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[Ruby L.]

I'm no expert, The One, but this seems manufactured, to me.

The group of people running in seems staged... they all arrived together, in one bunch-- as opposed to a more staggered formation, which seem more natural- as people run in different speeds.

And what happened to the first passerby, just before the 'light being' dropped to earth?
If he didn't see or hear anything, surely he'd have heard the commotion of the group running in seconds later, and maybe come by to look, as well?
I'd imagine they'd be pretty vocal if it was something as strange or surprising.

[New Dawn]

Looks pretty fake mate!

[kersley]

What i seem to notice more and more is how quick people are ready to say fake. It can't be. why not?
Many things is beyond our understanding.
Like my good friend Mel Frabegas would say.. Be skeptical but don't close your mind.

Maybe someone could slow this vid down and zoom in? lets see for sure what it is....

[Heyoka_11]

Very interesting The One, but............................only in our imaginations and works of art do angels have wings. ;)

[777]

Very interesting The One, but............................only in our imaginations and works of art do angels have wings. ;)

I would say the metaphor of those that can "fly" still stands.......

[ThePythonicCow]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

[Heyoka_11]

Very interesting The One, but............................only in our imaginations and works of art do angels have wings. ;)

I would say the metaphor of those that can "fly" still stands.......

Most definitely! :yes4:

[shamanseeker]

Inelia says that angels with wings do exist!

[The One]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

Oh please not this again :grouphug:


Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

I totally disagree some members will be interested in this.I didnt post this on here because you state it seems intersting.I posted it because people will be intersted in this,just like people are intersted in many of my posts.

[GK76]

Some things I have picked up over the years about angels and their ilk (take it or leave it, but people have studied these things):

The idea they have physical wings is merely a fallacy, those who have reportedly seen them have never mentioned anything about wings - it was added by religious artists to set them apart from others. All those who encounter 'angels' only recall that they are very tall and often silent. The only time people have seen wings is within the dream state.

They have never been seen, unless they make themselves seen. Why in all these years of cameras have they never been caught until now... was he having a bad day at the office? Such beings exist beyond time constraints, there is no way they would make such a mistake.

The literal idea of falling or fallen angels is a misunderstanding by religious types - they fell in frequency (as a group) from heaven (higher 'vibration') to earth (lower 'vibration'). Some say that it was less advanced people watching aliens descend from space... perhaps, but in a spiritual context (as it should be) it seems the alien theory is rather weak.

Apart from all that the video is clearly fake IMO, it's actually painfully fake.

[777]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

To be honest Paul I'd rather define my own expectation of quality from this site than have it discerned for me by others' preconcieved ideas of that which they think is real. The mod team on here is exceptional, don't get me wrong but someone on here reading this thread today will approach a topic that hitherto they maybe hadn't considered, or not re-considered in the new light with which they may now.

The opportunity cost of that constant re-assessment is one I personally would not like to incur. Organic re-appraisal is integral to spiritual and intellectual development. Gagging that for better or worse based on an individuals' subjective conjecture does not help us.

That said, I do think it's fake, doesn't negate a very real concept that's been with us since we've been with ourselves!

[New Dawn]

What i seem to notice more and more is how quick people are ready to say fake. It can't be. why not?
Many things is beyond our understanding.
Like my good friend Mel Frabegas would say.. Be skeptical but don't close your mind.

Maybe someone could slow this vid down and zoom in? lets see for sure what it is....

Yes, but CGI is within our understnading. Let me put it another way then - It looks totally CGI real.

[<8>]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

Oh please not this again :grouphug:


Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

I totally disagree some members will be interested in this.I didnt post this on here because you state it seems intersting.I posted it because people will be intersted in this,just like people are intersted in many of my posts.

I personally think, as long there are no expert who has examen the fotos and films to be fake, there must be a 50% fake or real chance.
So to say its a waste of time is actually false, one could say, spending time saying things are false when no one really knows, are a waste of time.
But really, time is all we got..:)

And how many fotos and films are out, that we know are real aliens on..??..To bad if we have to rule out the ones we dont know a real, before experts have claimed anything...

Ruby clearly claim to be no expert, and speculate a theory..


The group of people running in seems staged... they all arrived together, in one bunch-- as opposed to a more staggered formation, which seem more natural- as people run in different speeds.

One could speculate the opposite, that human in average seem to cluster for different reasons. And it would make alot of sense that this people had a conversation when this happened, and that's the reason they arrived at the same time..

But we really dont know do we??

[the trojan]

i downloaded it and have been slow mo-ing and having a really good look.
If it is cgi,it is really well done ,the attention to detail is wonderful.
there are lighting effects on various parts of the stage which are very well done.
This means someone involved understands that attention to small detail is important.

i dont know what a creature that fals from the sky would look like,so I am not going to comment on authenticity.
If we had not grown up looking at giraffes and someone showed a photo of a giraffe ,we would all fall around laughing.

[aceninja]

Please... This is REALLY fake. The way the thing landed and left the screen was so orchestrated. How did those people get there so fast? People don't run TOWARD something like that and not fast... The human reactions are just off sorry. This is definitely CGI.

I'm not even a little convinced. I'm not even one of those super skeptical people either... This is REALLY fake dude.


I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

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Date of sighting: September 11, 2011
Location of sighting: South Jakarta, Indonesia


Earlier this month, an angel was caught on a closed circuit television (CCTV) video in Cilandak Town Square, South Jakarta, Indonesia. The luminous glowing apparition that appears on the grainy black and white CCTV video certainly has all the hallmarks of being an actual alien. It doesn't take any imagination to see that the alien creature sports large white wings visible on the sides of its body. It seems to drop from the sky out of nowhere and disappears as quickly as it came. According to the time stamp on the video, this alien was recorded on September 11, 2011. A woman named Pramana Abbas commented on the event stating: "My cousin was in Cilandak on that night and the people who witnessed it was talking about it the whole night. Its real. They saw this bright light coming down from the sky, hit the ground, then took off."

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[<8>]

Please... This is REALLY fake. The way the thing landed and left the screen was so orchestrated. How did those people get there so fast? People don't run TOWARD something like that and not fast... The human reactions are just off sorry. This is definitely CGI.

I'm not even a little convinced. I'm not even one of those super skeptical people either... This is REALLY fake dude.


I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

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Date of sighting: September 11, 2011
Location of sighting: South Jakarta, Indonesia


Earlier this month, an angel was caught on a closed circuit television (CCTV) video in Cilandak Town Square, South Jakarta, Indonesia. The luminous glowing apparition that appears on the grainy black and white CCTV video certainly has all the hallmarks of being an actual alien. It doesn't take any imagination to see that the alien creature sports large white wings visible on the sides of its body. It seems to drop from the sky out of nowhere and disappears as quickly as it came. According to the time stamp on the video, this alien was recorded on September 11, 2011. A woman named Pramana Abbas commented on the event stating: "My cousin was in Cilandak on that night and the people who witnessed it was talking about it the whole night. Its real. They saw this bright light coming down from the sky, hit the ground, then took off."

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Prove "it" dude....:)

[truth4me]

Also one of the people running up just happens to have a flashlight handy......

[<8>]

Also one of the people running up just happens to have a flashlight handy......


And?? does this prove it true or false..??

[aceninja]

If you saw a lightning bolt come down from the sky how could you run to where it hits, have a flashlight turned on and handy, notify all those people, and get there RIGHT after it hits the ground?

Look like an indian videographer had himself a bit of fun. The lighting kinda checks out, but I'd think that the shadows on the trees would vanish or change value at least around :06-:09. As bright as that was with respect to everything else, it should have refracted more light. I'm done, lol.

[<8>]

If you saw a lightning bolt come down from the sky how could you run to where it hits, have a flashlight turned on and handy, notify all those people, and get there RIGHT after it hits the ground?

Look like an indian videographer had himself a bit of fun. The lighting kinda checks out, but I'd think that the shadows on the trees would vanish or change value at least around :06-:09. As bright as that was with respect to everything else, it should have refracted more light. I'm done, lol.

This means, if you are standing with a few friends outside at night holding a flashlight and something weird are cought on tape.
No one will ever belive when you show the tape later on and explain...

Good to know what odds we got, if we experience something weird and whant to tell the world...:)

[truth4me]

Also one of the people running up just happens to have a flashlight handy......


And?? does this prove it true or false..?? Your right it doesn't prove or disprove BUT it seems awful funny they come running up there and start pointing at a spot and the guy shines the light down. All this happens in less then a minute. Roughly 8 seconds after the "angel" leaves their on the spot looking where it landed with the flashlight already on. Such a bright object would tend to IMHO put off a glare and it does on the building but no glare on the glass in the building? These 4 people don't look like security personnel ether.......

[MorningSong]

Not too long ago, someone else posted a CCT vid on what could appear as an angel or any other other-dimentional phenom. I always watch these and the ET/UFO vids with great interest. Are they real? Are they fabricated? Hopefully, we will all understand, one day.

As to the debate on whether vids of angels are appropiate on Avalon....

I think that of the various videos supposedly demonstrating the phenomena of capturing “angels” on tape are just as important and interesting as the ET vids. We do not know really what we are looking at, ET or otherwise, so why should they not be posted and discussed on Avalon?

Remember, angels are not only cited in christian literature, but also in many other ancient religious and non religious works.

I tend to consider the idea that “angels” could very well be our fellow extraterrestrial visitors and visa versa. I feel that ancient text writers are describing extraterrestrials and calling them “angels”.

Here are some of the descriptions of angels given in the Bible:

Type Appearance
'Ordinary' Angels Handsome young men;
NO wings!
Archangel(s) / Micheal Handsome young men;
NO wings!
Gabriel Handsome young man;
NO wings!
Seraphim 6 wings : 2 covering face; 2 covering feet; 2 for flying

Cherubim 4 wings, covered with eyes all around
The Four Living Creatures 6 wings and was covered with eyes all around,
even under his wings

http://www.whyangels.com/what_do_angels_look_like.html

I found these pages a tad interesting:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html#5

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-do-angels-look-like-a-biblical-analysis/

In “The Secret Book of Enoch” from the Lost Books of Eden, Enoch describes angels:

“Enoch had told his sons, that the angels took him on to their wings and bore him up on to the first heaven and placed him on the clouds.” Chapter III

“ showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and their services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.” Chapter IV

“ AND those men took me and led me up on to the second heaven” Chapter VII

“ And there are three hundred angels very bright” Chapter IIV

Chapter describes something else, not angels:

“ AND I looked and saw other flying elements of the sun, whose names are Phoenixes and Chalkydri, marvelous and wonderful, with feet and tails in the form of a lion, and a crocodile's head, their appearance is empurpled, like the rainbow; their size is nine hundred measures, their wings are like those of angels, each has twelve, and they attend and accompany the sun, bearing heat and dew, as it is ordered them from God.”

Chapter XIII mentions the Grigori, the fallen angels. “of human appearance, and their size was greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual”.

In Chapter XIX, Enoch observes the archangels: “AND thence those men took me and bore me up on to the sixth heaven, and there I saw seven bands of angels, very bright and very glorious, and their faces shining more than the sun's shining, glistening, and there is no difference in their faces, or behaviour, or manner of dress” “These are the archangels who are above angels, measure all life in heaven and on earth, and the angels who are appointed over seasons and years, the angels who are over rivers and sea, and who are over the fruits of the earth, and the angels who are over every grass, giving food to all, to every living thing, and the angels who write all the souls of men, and all their deeds, and their lives before the Lord's face; in their midst are six Phoenixes and six Cherubim and six six-winged ones”

In the seventh heaven, Enoch states: “ and I saw there a very great light, and fiery troops of great archangels, incorporeal forces, and dominions, orders and governments, cherubim and seraphim, thrones and many-eyed ones, nine regiments, the Ioanit stations of light”. Chapter XX

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe129.htm

I thank theone for posting this vid.

[Them]

It doesn't look like security camera footage and the (special effect) 'angel' appears quite fake.

[RedeZra]

angels are real and there are several types and some have wings




Heavenly Angel visits dying girl, Angel caught on video!


3Wok4OgFW1g

[truth4me]

angels are real and there are several types and some have wings




Heavenly Angel visits dying girl, Angel caught on video!


3Wok4OgFW1gnow this I believe....I do believe in angels for if you believe in God AND Lucifer then you must also believe in angels.

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO we haven't begun to see all the lifeforms in existence, even here on Earth. Strange things happen ALL the time.
BTW this type of "out-of-the ordinary" interests me alot....

[starfighter]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blog/article/260614/mexican-film-claims-proof-of-aliens.html

Sorry I can't start my own thread so heres the link. Yahoo news "Mexican film claims proof of aliens"

Sorry if its in the wrong place guys

[Them]

>>we haven't begun to see all the lifeforms in existence, even here on Earth.<<

Very true.
We haven't even seen all of the mammals in the United States, much less the world.

[ThePythonicCow]

To be honest Paul I'd rather define my own expectation of quality from this site than have it discerned for me by others' preconcieved ideas of that which they think is real.
Good point.

To be a little more exact, it's not a black and white decision. Had this been a more clear cut case, I or another member of the mod team would have done more than just complain (such as, for example, a video that I "unembedded", leaving just the plain text link, on another thread yesterday.)

We're not interested in having this forum turn into an AboveTopSecret or GodLikeProductions, and there are plenty of members here who alert us to such dangers when they arise.

We can and do ask members to exercise some discernment before posting, and we will continue to do so. The quality of threads and posts here is high (though some old timers still figure it was higher "pre-Charles" ;)) and we look to keep it that way.

It is just such give and take as this which helps guide us - thanks! Carry on.

Like most things in life, it's a balance, an ebb and flow, a back and forth, a yin and yang ...

[Peace of Mind]

angels are real and there are several types and some have wings




Heavenly Angel visits dying girl, Angel caught on video!


3Wok4OgFW1gnow this I believe....I do believe in angels for if you believe in God AND Lucifer then you must also believe in angels.

I think what people see in this vid is the reflection of the large florescent lights on the hospital ceiling. It has the exact same shape of the long casing and lightbubs.

The news media was just using this story to have people get into the spirit of Christmas. The media is very good in what they do (spread lies, fear, and exaggeration) …all the more reason why I watch very little of it.

Peace

[conk]

Well The One, at least the vast majority of your posts are quality and worthy of discussion. Salute!

[The One]

We can and do ask members to exercise some discernment before posting

I always do.

I never had a problem with this before until you arrived.I think you need to take a step back


(though some old timers still figure it was higher "pre-Charles" ) and we look to keep it that way

I hope that above statement is not refered to me.Alot of us old timers made this forum what it is today.Maybe they should promote you to agony aunt mod and have you ever thought for one moment it might be you who's spoiling this.

And please dont read me the riot act on forum guidence i am fully aware.This is not the first time we have had a playground spat in relation to one of my posts.Our personalities clash its that simple.

Also being a moderator can you not exercise discretion and PM instead of letting all the members see us have another disagreement.Remember this was you not me.There was nothing wrong with this post whatsoever

My opinion you only comment on my posts when it displeases you.

[ThePythonicCow]

(though some old timers still figure it was higher "pre-Charles" )

I hope that above statement is not refered to me.Alot of us old timers made this forum what it is today.
I wasn't referring to you. I had not noticed your join date was in 2010 until I looked just now, though it does seem that you miss some of the good old days :P. I'll readily agree that the admin/mod team of 2010 was an excellent team.

[The One]

though it does seem that you miss some of the good old days

Those were the days oh yes those were the days :kiss3:

[ThePythonicCow]

We can and do ask members to exercise some discernment before posting

I always do.

Yes, I believe you do.

Though I did not make it clear, I was responding to 777's suggestion (as I read him) that we should always leave it to the reader to discern. Both are needed, some discernment in what to post, and some discernment in what to make of what one reads.

[Buck]

Very interesting The One, but............................only in our imaginations and works of art do angels have wings. ;)

Not so sure I see this the same way you do, Heyoka. Our 'reality' is not an external form that is proscribed to you, or to me. It is much more participatory that we dare to imagine.

[Corncrake]

I generally really enjoy The One's posts. Regarding this one, I just want to add to the comments about angel's having wings. I think we are all aware of the different debates about extra terrestials and spirits/demons from other dimensions There are many different interpretations of angels and I do wonder if, as in NDE or OBE, people tend to experience 'angels' according to their own belief system. Certainly Lorna Birne, an Irish psychic or mystic of Catholic upbringing, in her two books 'Angels in my Hair' and 'Stairways to Heaven' describes the angels she 'sees' as having wings.

[Buck]

I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

Paul I trust you are very earnest in your desire to support the forum, and it feels like you are working hard to maintain some order here and keep the quality of information high. But this statement of yours feels more about personal judgement- not hearing this as spoken from a place of knowing. I don't have any idea what this video is and I have not even looked at it. What caught my attention is your comments. First of all, be mindful of underestimating the collective wisdom of the forum. You are not minding a kindergarten class on a field trip. Just so you know, I would find it patronizing if you or any other mod were to be arbiters of what was legitimate material for the forum. That seems like one hell of a slippery slope. And the exact process you describe above- how do you know that is not exactly what we have all collectively invited for ourselves to experience right now? For all you know, we chose (in the etheric sense, if you will) to invite Sorcha Faal and all these fake angel vids or whatever, - we are using ALL of it to rapidly sharpen our discernment in a vast interconnected, global real-time exchange. If you ask me, I would suggest there is actually a lot of evidence to support that- from the Charles drama to Inelia to Bill taking leave for a while, to Sorcha Faal, elenin, Glp, on and on and on. We are reacting and processing at a faster rate, we are also moving the energetic pendulum internally over greater and greater extremes- swinging farther into contraction (fear), and also further into expansion (Love). You are part of this Paul. I mean this as playful nudge- but think of yourself as perhaps less of a traffic cop, and more the lifeguard on the most stretch of ocean beach you can imagine, watching a crowd of world class surfers at play on the break. You keep the 4 year olds out of the undertow, you enjoy the view, and unless there's a tremendous wreck, you let the pageant unfold. It's all good.

[Lord Sidious]

We can and do ask members to exercise some discernment before posting

I always do.

Yes, I believe you do.

Though I did not make it clear, I was responding to 777's suggestion (as I read him) that we should always leave it to the reader to discern. Both are needed, some discernment in what to post, and some discernment in what to make of what one reads.

Seeing as there are many paths to the top of the mountain, who are we to ''discern'' what is good or not for our brother or sister?
We don't know what piece of the pie they need, but they do.
Your role is NOT to discern for us, it is to keep the forum running smoothly which you do well.
Leave the discernment where it belongs, with each of us, including you for yourself.

[ThePythonicCow]

First of all, be mindful of underestimating the collective wisdom of the forum. You are not minding a kindergarten class on a field trip. Just so you know, I would find it patronizing if you or any other mod were to be arbiters of what was legitimate material for the forum.

...
It's all good.

Well ... to a certain necessary extent, the mods do arbitrate what's legitimate material for the forum. It's not all good.

There will always be some things that are clearly "good stuff", some things that are clearly "ver boten", many things that are of little consequence, and quite a few things that are less obvious.

The slippery slope argument is misleading, in my book. It suggests that I should not take action if someone posts 27 copies of an advertisement for some x-rated vulgarity, because if I do that, then the next day I might be banning Bill Ryan for one of his finest posts.

As I noted in other posts above, there is a necessary dynamic, never ending, as we listen to each other, and continue to do the best we can by ourselves, the forum, and fellow members.

[ThePythonicCow]

Your role is NOT to discern for us,
The role of the mods/admins includes some discernment of what is appropriate material for the forum.

Clearly, the mods/admins have to run with a much looser filter when acting with mod-hat-on, than when discerning for their own personal consideration. Clearly, the consensus on this thread is that I was running with a mod-hat two sizes too small when I originally commented on The One's post.

But a loose filter is not the same as NO filter. Let's not fall for the false rhetoric that the opposite of "too much" is "NONE at all" :).

If you find a mod or admin, such as myself, being too narrow minded in what they find appropriate for the forum (as several good members have found my comments above about The One's original post on this thread), then may I suggest that it makes more sense to ask that mod/admin to "take it easy, back off", than it does to ask that mod/admin to NOT discern at all.

I'm sure I could find a Reported Post or two in our files, Lord Sidious, in which you've asked the mods/admins to "discern" (with a critical eye) the worth (or lack thereof) of some posts on this forum, and suggested that we take action to clean things up.

[Lord Sidious]

First of all, be mindful of underestimating the collective wisdom of the forum. You are not minding a kindergarten class on a field trip. Just so you know, I would find it patronizing if you or any other mod were to be arbiters of what was legitimate material for the forum.

...
It's all good.

Well ... to a certain necessary extent, the mods do arbitrate what's legitimate material for the forum. It's not all good.

There will always be some things that are clearly "good stuff", some things that are clearly "ver boten", many things that are of little consequence, and quite a few things that are less obvious.

The slippery slope argument is misleading, in my book. It suggests that I should not take action if someone posts 27 copies of an advertisement for some x-rated vulgarity, because if I do that, then the next day I might be banning Bill Ryan for one of his finest posts.

As I noted in other posts above, there is a necessary dynamic, never ending, as we listen to each other, and continue to do the best we can by ourselves, the forum, and fellow members.

The reduction to the ridiculous approach isn't a good one to use here Paul.
It does you no credit, nor does it help the forum.
Oh, and Verboten is one word, not two.




I'm sure I could find a Reported Post or two in our files, Lord Sidious, in which you've asked the mods/admins to "discern" (with a critical eye) the worth (or lack thereof) of some posts on this forum, and suggested that we take action to clean things up.

I would suggest that you don't go there, this could be VERY embarrassing for you if you choose to play silly buggers.
Capiche?

[ThePythonicCow]

The reduction to the rediculous approach isn't a good one to use here Paul.
And that's spelled "ridiculous" :)

[Lord Sidious]

The reduction to the rediculous approach isn't a good one to use here Paul.
And that's spelled "ridiculous" :)

Oops, how embarrassment. :o
At least my typo was in English, not Deutsche.

[modwiz]

(Modwiz puts on his waterproof cloak to stay dry during the humorous little pissing match here).

Men will be men. :target:

[modwiz]

though it does seem that you miss some of the good old days

Those were the days oh yes those were the days :kiss3:

I will use this post to make a request, most likely of Paul. He is really helpful, when he is helpful.

Could we have a note smiley? For times when we use a line from a song, like The One has above. A note at the beginning and end would allow a reader to know the line is being sung, rather than spoken.

If it is a no-can-do that will be understood.

[DeDukshyn]

I'm pretty sure this has been established (fake video), but here is proof (this one is really easy besides just looking staged):

The ground is reflective (wet or something) - the light "being" falls from straight above. Light travels in straight lines and bounces off reflective material the same as the angle of attack (or whatever trigonometry term is appropriate (lazy moment ;-)). Following this law, we should have seen the reflection of the light being be visible from the bottom of the screen and move upwards across the floor until the being itself intersects the reflections movement. No such effect and even worse they tried to put the reflection directly under the landing spot. That's a big no-no when working in a 3D scene (speaking as part time 3-d artist).

Perhaps we should have a "Debunk this video!" thread - where prople can post all their "weird" videos and us with the more discerning eye could give it an evaluation. This would definitely have some value and allow us to be able to sort through and help us focus on discussions of clips that actually could have something to them ? (As this seems to be a bit of a topic around here of late, and I too would appreciate a little further discernment before starting grand discussions on clearly fake or at least "less worthy" videos / pics) My 2 cents ;)


Hmmm ... looks like I'm off the off topic topic ... ;) lol

[ThePythonicCow]

Could we have a note smiley?
Well - I'm notoriously tone deaf - but how's this: :note: :cow: :note:

(Spelled :note: :cow: :note:)

[Buck]

First of all, be mindful of underestimating the collective wisdom of the forum. You are not minding a kindergarten class on a field trip. Just so you know, I would find it patronizing if you or any other mod were to be arbiters of what was legitimate material for the forum.

...
It's all good.

Well ... to a certain necessary extent, the mods do arbitrate what's legitimate material for the forum. It's not all good.

There will always be some things that are clearly "good stuff", some things that are clearly "ver boten", many things that are of little consequence, and quite a few things that are less obvious.

The slippery slope argument is misleading, in my book. It suggests that I should not take action if someone posts 27 copies of an advertisement for some x-rated vulgarity, because if I do that, then the next day I might be banning Bill Ryan for one of his finest posts.

As I noted in other posts above, there is a necessary dynamic, never ending, as we listen to each other, and continue to do the best we can by ourselves, the forum, and fellow members.

Paul the analogy I invited you to consider speaks to this concern. Your description of "someone posts 27 copies of an advertisement for some x-rated vulgarity" is the analogous equivalent of the 4 yr old playing in the surf. Yes, do make sure the kindergardeners don't get in the way of the surfers and interrupt the flow, or get themselves in trouble. That is absolutely part of your job. But the analogy was offered to illustrate that it is also totally not appropriate to treat the world class surfers (so to speak) at play on the break in front of you the same way.

And as our conversation is unfolding, I see you are into it with Mr. Sidious as well. I only mention this because it is again, something for you to look at here. I would PM you on this, but as you responded to me, and as much as the presence and role of a mod in relation to content on this particular thread is relevant (in my opinion anyway) I post here. While I am not in any way endorsing or supporting Mr. Sidious (because among other reasons, he can obviously fend for himself quite well :) that is irrelevant because I would normally consider it none of my personal concern what two members might get into arguing about on here. However, it is my concern in that now I am doubly disappointed in your conduct and choices here in your capacity as a moderator. Now you personally are contributing to further distracting the thread, and involving your energy and attention on something that I think should telegraph to you that you are moving off of center.

I was impressed with your flexibility in regards to reconsidering your actions on several recent occasions Paul, and I made an effort to communicate that to you. But now I am concerned that the other part of the message is not being heard- and that is you are the only mod I have had any occasion to actually be motivated enough to log on and engage- to comment on your actions, and this exchange would be the third or maybe fourth time that I have felt motivated to say something. I hope that is information you can make use of to consider possibly re-orienting your approach to the role of moderator here.

[DeDukshyn]

:focus:

...Now you personally are contributing to further distracting the thread...

Be the solution you want to see ;)

Sorry I couldn't resist ;)

[onawah]

I totally agree with Paul. I think that if members really want to view this sort of thing, then we need a sub forum on the order of "The Lighter Side" where they can all go.
Then those of us who are not really amused by this kind of thing wasting time and taking up space, will not be bothered by it.
IMHO, it is disrespectful to the stated goals of Project Avalon to take up time and space with this kind of thing when what we could really use more of here is material that real Conspiracy Theorists, Alternative Community folks, the seriously spiritually oriented, etc are interested in.
I know there is a lot going on in the world, and it used to be that I could come to PA to find out a lot of the best news around.
That is not the case anymore, and I wish that would change.
The Mods have my support and I thank them for their unpaid and largely unthanked efforts.


I dont know if this was staged or CGI maybe the experts on here can give their opinion.Fake or not its woth a viewing

Each minute that a poster spends, before deciding to post, to determine whether a post contains something real and worthwhile, can save tens or a hundreds of minutes of readers time, spent discerning which posts are real and worthwhile.

Posting something we found on Youtube just because it seems interesting, can be a poor use of members time, and can dilute the quality of the forum.

"An ounce of posting discernment is worth a pound of viewing discernment." :) :cow: :).

[modwiz]

Could we have a note smiley?
Well - I'm notoriously tone deaf - but how's this: :note: :cow: :note:

(Spelled :note: :cow: :note:)

Beautiful. :note: Moo moo, moo moo moo, moo moo :note:

Thanks Paul. :thumb:

[onawah]

I apologize to anyone who is insulted by my opinion that that video is the kind of thing that is not worthy of the time and space they take up on this forum.
But to me, it was obviously a fake.
And frankly, I do think that some of the stuff on the forum lately does reflect a childish mentality.
And that makes me sad, because I really have come to expect more from this forum.
But then, I am definitely one of those pre-Charles old timers.

[Anno]

For future reference, there are two very simple ways that any Avalonian can tell instantly if CCTV footage is fake.

1. It's high resolution video camera placed at a high angle and made black and white so it looks like CCTV footage.

2. The One posted it.

This time however, the video is very real. I know because I am the angel shown. I was flying home from visiting a friend and dropped my keys. I didn't think anyone would notice but there was a group of doggers nearby (hence group with torch) and they noticed, alerting CCTV guy.

[DeDukshyn]

I apologize to anyone who is insulted by my opinion that that video is the kind of thing that is not worthy of the time and space they take up on this forum.
But to me, it was obviously a fake.
And frankly, I do think that some of the stuff on the forum lately does reflect a childish mentality.
And that makes me sad, because I really have come to expect more from this forum.
But then, I am definitely one of those pre-Charles old timers.

I feel the same as I noted above, but to look at this in the best light possible you have to consider 'level' or 'vibrational state' or whatever label of everyone and ask "who do we cater to?" because even allowing these things may lead to others learning how to pick out certain things others are already using in discernment? and maybe some discussion with others continuing to point out their logic in discernment. It has value but I'm all for getting it done and down to business myself so I still vote for a "debunk this! sub forum where anything in question or from YouTube can go through an evaluation process by any who want to evaluate it. I'm really liking that idea .... Mostly thinking out loud here, lol ,thats all ;)

Edit: after re-reading this seemed condescending - that was not my intention at all - I worded it odd that's all -- it is supposed to be objective)

[DeDukshyn]

I apologize to anyone who is insulted by my opinion that that video is the kind of thing that is not worthy of the time and space they take up on this forum.
But to me, it was obviously a fake.
And frankly, I do think that some of the stuff on the forum lately does reflect a childish mentality.
And that makes me sad, because I really have come to expect more from this forum.
But then, I am definitely one of those pre-Charles old timers.

I feel the same as I noted above, but to look at this in the best light possible you have to consider 'level' or 'vibrational state' or whatever label of everyone and ask "who do we cater to?" because even allowing these things may lead to others learning how to pick out certain things others are already using in discernment? and maybe some discussion with others continuing to point out their logic in discernment. It has value but I'm all for getting it done and down to business myself so I still vote for a "debunk this! sub forum where anything in question or from YouTube can go through an evaluation process by any who want to evaluate it. I'm really liking that idea .... Mostly thinking out loud here, lol ,thats all ;)

And to add, give the mods power to move any <video and picture> posts there for Avalonian "critiquing" and if deemed worthy, an apology and a re-opening of the original thread (or leave both open and link to each other) , and if deemed not, well then thats what it is.

<DeDukshyn opens a can 'o worms>

[onawah]

Agreed, DeDukshyn.
Very good ideas which I hope the Mods will consider.
It may create a little extra work for them, but I would imagine it would be gratifying to have these options.
And it would certainly be a boost to the quality of the forum.
Something other forums might want to imitate!

[<8>]

I am not saying this video are the real deal, because no one really know that yet, nor am i saying this video are false.
And of course one should be able to speculate about the subject being true or false, thats why we are here, more or less.


So make a ( True "OR" False) thread about things we cant really know to be true, i guess the spirit thread might have do join there to?
When i think about it, most of all we talk about can fall under that thread.

Why?? Well Nothing are real is it??, everything are made up of atoms, so nothing is really real. Atoms are just energy...

Ok i admit, i lost it a bit there..:faint2:

Do whatever you feel are right, i'm sure it will be great..

thanks....:)

[DeDukshyn]

I am not saying this video are the real deal, because no one really know that yet, nor am i saying this video are false.
And of course one should be able to speculate about the subject being true or false, thats why we are here, more or less.


So make a ( True "OR" False) thread about things we cant really know to be true, i guess the spirit thread might have do join there to?
When i think about it, most of all we talk about can fall under that thread.

Why?? Well Nothing are real is it??, everything are made up of atoms, so nothing is really real. Atoms are just energy...

Ok i admit, i lost it a bit there..:faint2:

Do whatever you feel are right, i'm sure it will be great..

thanks....:)

If I had lot's of time right now I'd post all the laws of physics and explain in extreme detail why 99.99999% confidence or greater can be placed that this is a faked video done with a 3D program like 3DS MAX or Maya or whatever. My previous posts explained this in a simpler form and unless one wants to dispute the laws of light physics (which should perhaps be the start of a whole new thread), then please give at least a little support (even if to say the realm of "what we don't know we don't know" is vast - that is at least something). ... my 2 cents ;) no offense - I'm trying to be objective.

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I am not saying this video are the real deal, because no one really know that yet, nor am i saying this video are false.
And of course one should be able to speculate about the subject being true or false, thats why we are here, more or less.


So make a ( True "OR" False) thread about things we cant really know to be true, i guess the spirit thread might have do join there to?
When i think about it, most of all we talk about can fall under that thread.

Why?? Well Nothing are real is it??, everything are made up of atoms, so nothing is really real. Atoms are just energy...

Ok i admit, i lost it a bit there..:faint2:

Do whatever you feel are right, i'm sure it will be great..

thanks....:)

It would be my vote that the spirituality forum (and sub forums) is not a part of this (due to the naturally large variation in beliefs that cannot be evaluated via technical means).. just videos and pictures, and new and controversial topics.

Edit:
i didn't mean the spirituality forum exempt .. I meant just videos, pictures and radical ideas / concepts to potentially be subject either via submission or mod intervention. my 2 cents.

Edit2: Hell even just you tube videos ... ;)

[DeDukshyn]

If I find i video I'm not sure about but looks potentially suspicious/incredible and valid (and wanting feedback), might be valuable to have a sub forum specifically for discussion about validity ...again just promoting thought ... ;)

[humanalien]

Name this tune in 3 notes. :cool:
:note: La La La La La :note:

[MorningSong]

Do forgive me, but I just gotta get this off my chest.....

I do not think that it is fair that this thread has been disrupted and literally trolled to death. Can we stop now?

We were talking about Angels like Aliens, right? It was picking up pace, I thought, and could have come to some very interesting discussion on the like of Angels-vs-ETs or Angels in general. Obviously, there are some people who came to the thread because of its title and who posted with interest.

As to what any of you think this forum should or should not be about, that should be discussed with Bill, who probably right now would just as soon see most of our threads instantly thrown out the window anyway, being that he seems to have a whole new perspective and focus on what he thinks is his mission is and where he is focusing his energies.

Could I name a few threads that I think are just space-suckers? You bet I could! Someone might even think that the Sun Stuff What's Up! is one of those. And if the day came that Bill or admin or mod asked me to not post that info anymore, I would stop, if it were no longer in the intrest of the Forum owner/members.

I will admit that there are quite a few threads that I do not read, that their titles just do not interest me in the least, but I will not go there and gripe about the OPs decision to have posted; that is just not my right nor business. I even rarely voice my opinion on much of anything anyone posts unless I am just greatly driven to do so. I am learning. I am not the teacher, here. And I do try to discern when I post something. I tend to be very indecisive and diffident of critisism. But in real life, I am a teacher, and try to post useful or at least interesting/curious information. Some of my threads have arroused interest, others have been complete flops. But I think that is normal. I know not everyone has to like what I like, nor cares about stolen US bonds seized in Italy , or some Boeing employee spilling the beans about Nasa stuff.

My dad used to say, "Everyone has an opinion. Some sink and some don't." So here's mine:

I would like to suggest that the mods "move" posts to more appropriate sub-forums, that is for sure....it has gotten teriribly un-tidy and cluttered around here, and some people just cannot figure out/discern where to post the things they want to share. Shoot, I even miss some really good posts because they get pushed down the line by the huge volume that we see now-a-days.

I suggest that a BIG announcement be made as to what kind of information is accepted/not accepted on this forum....conspiracy? actuality? music? astrology charts? long distance Reiki? friendly thank-yous? gossip? want-to-be-whistleblowers? dare I say, TRUTH? because I don't know anymore...at times I am truely afraid to post....afraid to be criticized....to be tagged. And it ain't too much fun feeling that way.

And I too am a very old member of Avalon. Was WiNaDeYo, and helped Baggywrinkle, Marian the Librarian, Tez, et al establish the Library. Any of you remember those days?? Days of survival groups and Ground Crews?? And yet, I have remained and have had no problem with the flow of new ideas and energies as this place has literally morphed several times. So please, some of you want to bring this forum into shape? Then roll you darn sleeves up and get to work and don't jump into people's faces over a true-or-fake video fling that only leads to hard feelings and upset stomachs.

End of rant. Peace and good will to all..

[DeDukshyn]

Do forgive me, but I just gotta get this off my chest.....

I do not think that it is fair that this thread has been disrupted and literally trolled to death. Can we stop now?

We were talking about Angels like Aliens, right? It was picking up pace, I thought, and could have come to some very interesting discussion on the like of Angels-vs-ETs or Angels in general. Obviously, there are some people who came to the thread because of its title and who posted with interest.

As to what any of you think this forum should or should not be about, that should be discussed with Bill, who probably right now would just as soon see most of our threads instantly thrown out the window anyway, being that he seems to have a whole new perspective and focus on what he thinks is his mission is and where he is focusing his energies.

Could I name a few threads that I think are just space-suckers? You bet I could! Someone might even think that the Sun Stuff What's Up! is one of those. And if the day came that Bill or admin or mod asked me to not post that info anymore, I would stop, if it were no longer in the intrest of the Forum owner/members.

I will admit that there are quite a few threads that I do not read, that their titles just do not interest me in the least, but I will not go there and gripe about the OPs decision to have posted; that is just not my right nor business. I even rarely voice my opinion on much of anything anyone posts unless I am just greatly driven to do so. I am learning. I am not the teacher, here. And I do try to discern when I post something. I tend to be very indecisive and diffident of critisism. But in real life, I am a teacher, and try to post useful or at least interesting/curious information. Some of my threads have arroused interest, others have been complete flops. But I think that is normal. I know not everyone has to like what I like, nor cares about stolen US bonds seized in Italy , or some Boeing employee spilling the beans about Nasa stuff.

My dad used to say, "Everyone has an opinion. Some sink and some don't." So here's mine:

I would like to suggest that the mods "move" posts to more appropriate sub-forums, that is for sure....it has gotten teriribly un-tidy and cluttered around here, and some people just cannot figure out/discern where to post the things they want to share. Shoot, I even miss some really good posts because they get pushed down the line by the huge volume that we see now-a-days.

I suggest that a BIG announcement be made as to what kind of information is accepted/not accepted on this forum....conspiracy? actuality? music? astrology charts? long distance Reiki? friendly thank-yous? gossip? want-to-be-whistleblowers? dare I say, TRUTH? because I don't know anymore...at times I am truely afraid to post....afraid to be criticized....to be tagged. And it ain't too much fun feeling that way.

And I too am a very old member of Avalon. Was WiNaDeYo, and helped Baggywrinkle, Marian the Librarian, Tez, et al establish the Library. Any of you remember those days?? Days of survival groups and Ground Crews?? And yet, I have remained and have had no problem with the flow of new ideas and energies as this place has literally morphed several times. So please, some of you want to bring this forum into shape? Then roll you darn sleeves up and get to work and don't jump into people's faces over a true-or-fake video fling that only leads to hard feelings and upset stomachs.

End of rant. Peace and good will to all..

You make some valid points and I want to say I am not a skeptic. I believe in both aliens and angels and that they are kinda similar - aliens being traditionally STS in media and Angels STOs. But both extra terrestrial. But if you ask any 3D artist about this video they know it is fake - easy to tell especially that the reflections are all wrong - impossible in fact. I believe in lot's of stufff .. just not this video as a 3D artist, I can say this could have been much.much better... .

[ponda]

DeDukshyn said:

But if you ask any 3D artist about this video they know it is fake - easy to tell especially that the reflections are all wrong - impossible in fact.

The reflections might be wrong if the light object was a 3d object but what if it is a higher dimensional light object ?The chances are that higher dimensional objects don't operate under our perceived 3d laws.It might well be possible that a higher dimensional light object could appear to be fake but indeed be real.

[DeDukshyn]

DeDukshyn said:

But if you ask any 3D artist about this video they know it is fake - easy to tell especially that the reflections are all wrong - impossible in fact.

The reflections might be wrong if the light object was a 3d object but what if it is a higher dimensional light object ?The chances are that higher dimensional objects don't operate under our perceived 3d laws.It might well be possible that a higher dimensional light object could appear to be fake but indeed be real.

I thought about that too, but in all human learnings, the light (within every frequency range) that is perceivable to the human eye is subject to the reflective qualities of reflective materials therefore must follow the laws of physics; Remember, there were eyewitnesses indicating there was at least in supplement regular physical light - yet none of the effects regular physical light would give -( a realistic reflection); - they could be "super lights", one might say, but there had to also been "real" lights because the people saw them and came running - "real" lights have to follow the laws of physics.

[ponda]

DeDukshyn said:

I thought about that too, but in all human learnings, the light (within every frequency range) that is perceivable to the human eye is subject to the reflective qualities of reflective materials therefore must follow the laws of physics; Remember, there were eyewitnesses indicating there was at least in supplement regular physical light - yet none of the effects regular physical light would give -( a realistic reflection); - they could be "super lights", one might say, but there had to also been "real" lights because the people saw them and came running - "real" lights have to follow the laws of physics.

Could it be possible that a higher dimensional light would give off no reflection in the 3d ? My guess would be that we could throw the rule book out the window when dealing with the higher dimensions.From our perspective anything might be possible.I don't think we know that much about 'real lights' to be honest.

[Mike]

it is amusing that these threads can get so dramatic so quickly :canada: (i was just looking for an appropriate smiley face when i ran into this Canadian fella. its completely irrelevant but that's why i like it. from now on i'm going to post completely irrelevant smiles. here's another::violin:)

i'm having way too much fun doing this. pretty soon all my posts will be relegated to the new "sub-forum", right next to the latest video of 'Bloody Mary' or 'FRankenstein'.

and another::spy: actually, that's sort of relevant, as i am currently set on "private". why? i have no idea. just got bored and started messing w/my settings. not trying to be intentionally deceptive, but i must admit that i do feel delightfully sneaky.

ok:focus: i know 'the one' catches some flak from time to time for his questionable video posts, but they don't really bother me, personally. if they are informative - great. if they are preposterous then i might have a laugh. no biggie.

but i completely understand Paul's position.

bottom line: if you really think Paul is running your life for you, you are spending way too much time here.

i'll end this with a preposterous, meaningless, irrelevant Avalon smiley character that has nothing whatsoever to do with what i just said::car:


p.s.:popcorn:

[<8>]

I am not saying this video are the real deal, because no one really know that yet, nor am i saying this video are false.
And of course one should be able to speculate about the subject being true or false, thats why we are here, more or less.


So make a ( True "OR" False) thread about things we cant really know to be true, i guess the spirit thread might have do join there to?
When i think about it, most of all we talk about can fall under that thread.

Why?? Well Nothing are real is it??, everything are made up of atoms, so nothing is really real. Atoms are just energy...

Ok i admit, i lost it a bit there..:faint2:

Do whatever you feel are right, i'm sure it will be great..

thanks....:)

If I had lot's of time right now I'd post all the laws of physics and explain in extreme detail why 99.99999% confidence or greater can be placed that this is a faked video done with a 3D program like 3DS MAX or Maya or whatever. My previous posts explained this in a simpler form and unless one wants to dispute the laws of light physics (which should perhaps be the start of a whole new thread), then please give at least a little support (even if to say the realm of "what we don't know we don't know" is vast - that is at least something). ... my 2 cents ;) no offense - I'm trying to be objective.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



It would be my vote that the spirituality forum (and sub forums) is not a part of this (due to the naturally large variation in beliefs that cannot be evaluated via technical means).. just videos and pictures, and new and controversial topics.

Edit:
i didn't mean the spirituality forum exempt .. I meant just videos, pictures and radical ideas / concepts to potentially be subject either via submission or mod intervention. my 2 cents.

Edit2: Hell even just you tube videos ... ;)


Hi Dedukshyn...

I guess in the start i wanted people to get some real evidence before shooting True or False

Now my point was: Feel free to do what you feel is right, who am i to say what is right...

When i look at the big picture, as in life. I really don't care at all about this things..

P.s sorry that i was not more clear, i wasted your time and mabye others to who are on this thread... Again my bad sorry..

[DawnOfANewEra]

Not sure if this one is real or not, but I am definitely open to the possibility, as I was saved by an angel/archangel, whatever you want to call it, when I was a toddler. I don't remember, but this is the story my mom and other family members tell:

At a family gathering, my mom, who was very pregnant with my younger brother (we are only 18 months apart), saw me swinging my legs through the railing on the second-story deck of my grandparent's "big house." Right when she got up to pull me away, I lost my footing and slipped through the railing, which was directly over a concrete patio. To everyone's surprise, I had somehow landed UNDER the deck and into the only bushes nearby. My only injuries were scratches on my cheeks from the branches. When my mom, who was crying, scooped me up in her arms, I told her: "Don't cry Mommy, the lady got me."

All the adults who witnessed it say it was impossible for me to land where I did. For some reason, I was saved that day and I have an angel to thank for nearly my entire life!

[Carmen]

Well, call me fanciful, I think it is a delightful clip. I loved it. And when I get to be an angel I'm going to have wings! :rolleyes: I have also taken many orb photos into the darkness and picked up beings that look like fairies with wings as well as orbs. So, I think some people just like to rubbish anything outside of their box of belief, especially if it's something magical. Logic and intellect destroys anything magical and different!

[The One]

For future reference, there are two very simple ways that any Avalonian can tell instantly if CCTV footage is fake.

1. It's high resolution video camera placed at a high angle and made black and white so it looks like CCTV footage.

2. The One posted it.

This time however, the video is very real. I know because I am the angel shown. I was flying home from visiting a friend and dropped my keys. I didn't think anyone would notice but there was a group of doggers nearby (hence group with torch) and they noticed, alerting CCTV guy.

Are you taking the piss with that comment above? And how dare you imply that everything i post on here is fake. Most members enjoy my post.

[The One]

I apologize to anyone who is insulted by my opinion that that video is the kind of thing that is not worthy of the time and space they take up on this forum.
But to me, it was obviously a fake.
And frankly, I do think that some of the stuff on the forum lately does reflect a childish mentality.
And that makes me sad, because I really have come to expect more from this forum.
But then, I am definitely one of those pre-Charles old timers.

I am very insulted with your opinion onawah and can i just point out this is your opinion and not that of the majority. You are more for channelled information than anything else and this does not fit in with your belief system. I have seen some of your post of late and have refrained from saying something you certainly seem to have double standards. This forum is a mixture of things and a lot of people have been interested in this post.

Simple I don’t post crap

can i suggest you read Morningsongs post number 63 below that says it all :frusty:




Do forgive me, but I just gotta get this off my chest.....

I do not think that it is fair that this thread has been disrupted and literally trolled to death. Can we stop now?

We were talking about Angels like Aliens, right? It was picking up pace, I thought, and could have come to some very interesting discussion on the like of Angels-vs-ETs or Angels in general. Obviously, there are some people who came to the thread because of its title and who posted with interest.

As to what any of you think this forum should or should not be about, that should be discussed with Bill, who probably right now would just as soon see most of our threads instantly thrown out the window anyway, being that he seems to have a whole new perspective and focus on what he thinks is his mission is and where he is focusing his energies.

Could I name a few threads that I think are just space-suckers? You bet I could! Someone might even think that the Sun Stuff What's Up! is one of those. And if the day came that Bill or admin or mod asked me to not post that info anymore, I would stop, if it were no longer in the intrest of the Forum owner/members.

I will admit that there are quite a few threads that I do not read, that their titles just do not interest me in the least, but I will not go there and gripe about the OPs decision to have posted; that is just not my right nor business. I even rarely voice my opinion on much of anything anyone posts unless I am just greatly driven to do so. I am learning. I am not the teacher, here. And I do try to discern when I post something. I tend to be very indecisive and diffident of critisism. But in real life, I am a teacher, and try to post useful or at least interesting/curious information. Some of my threads have arroused interest, others have been complete flops. But I think that is normal. I know not everyone has to like what I like, nor cares about stolen US bonds seized in Italy , or some Boeing employee spilling the beans about Nasa stuff.

My dad used to say, "Everyone has an opinion. Some sink and some don't." So here's mine:

I would like to suggest that the mods "move" posts to more appropriate sub-forums, that is for sure....it has gotten teriribly un-tidy and cluttered around here, and some people just cannot figure out/discern where to post the things they want to share. Shoot, I even miss some really good posts because they get pushed down the line by the huge volume that we see now-a-days.

I suggest that a BIG announcement be made as to what kind of information is accepted/not accepted on this forum....conspiracy? actuality? music? astrology charts? long distance Reiki? friendly thank-yous? gossip? want-to-be-whistleblowers? dare I say, TRUTH? because I don't know anymore...at times I am truely afraid to post....afraid to be criticized....to be tagged. And it ain't too much fun feeling that way.

And I too am a very old member of Avalon. Was WiNaDeYo, and helped Baggywrinkle, Marian the Librarian, Tez, et al establish the Library. Any of you remember those days?? Days of survival groups and Ground Crews?? And yet, I have remained and have had no problem with the flow of new ideas and energies as this place has literally morphed several times. So please, some of you want to bring this forum into shape? Then roll you darn sleeves up and get to work and don't jump into people's faces over a true-or-fake video fling that only leads to hard feelings and upset stomachs.

End of rant. Peace and good will to all..

[Anno]

For future reference, there are two very simple ways that any Avalonian can tell instantly if CCTV footage is fake.

1. It's high resolution video camera placed at a high angle and made black and white so it looks like CCTV footage.

2. The One posted it.

This time however, the video is very real. I know because I am the angel shown. I was flying home from visiting a friend and dropped my keys. I didn't think anyone would notice but there was a group of doggers nearby (hence group with torch) and they noticed, alerting CCTV guy.

Are you taking the piss with that comment above? And how dare you imply that everything i post on here is fake. Most members enjoy my post.

How dare I have an opinion? It's really quite easy. And I'm not taking the piss, I meant what I said. Why pretend? There's no way you believe in half the videos you post because when you actually post an opinion of your own it's obvious how intelligent you are. Then for some reason you return to posting obviously fake videos and jump to 'red alert' over something that maybe, supposedly, allegedly could be real.

If you don't take yourself seriously, don't expect me to. =]

[The One]

Thats funny coming from somebody who posted this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30779-Zombie-Threat OMG you really do believe this stuff mmm

By the way Ditto If you don't take yourself seriously, don't expect me to

The thing is only 2% of stuff on here is probably genuine, Sometimes i do go ott with titles but hey it gives it a bit more of a kick. I don’t believe in angels but i know people do on here so that’s why i posted this.

I post something for everyone to enjoy, some members are only interested in a particular subject. I like to post a variety of things for all to see. Even if it does not fit in with what people like.

There you go you have got me tick for tacking in a thread for all to see mmmmmmmmmmm

Simple i won’t stop unless asked to, you don’t like it tough

[Lord Sidious]

Is it carrot time again avalonuggets?
Please, agree to disagree, but pay our members the respect that you wish them to pay you too.

[Anno]

If you don't feel you've done anything wrong, why do you feel the need to send me two pms complaining, complain here twice, search for one of my threads that might, if true, possibly alegedly prove a point, and then complain that I've got you "tacking" in a thread? Are you on Burnt Umber Alert or something? You could just ignore me, it'd be far easier.

Ps. I do genuinely believe in Zombies (there's quite a bit of evidence) and I do genuinely believe that we'll see some kind of Mass Zombie Scenario in our lifetime.

[percival tyro]

Are there any high definition aliens out there?!.

[The One]

Humans god we are a funny species anyway we will always get on fall out, agree disagree. Please people not please people, some will be more patronising than others, and some can give it but can’t take it

Anyway I think it time for a big bear hug come her yall


http://www.disney.co.uk/toy-story/images/wallpapers/lotso_black_wallpaper_1600x1200.jpg

[Lord Sidious]

If you don't feel you've done anything wrong, why do you feel the need to send me two pms complaining, complain here twice, search for one of my threads that might, if true, possibly alegedly prove a point, and then complain that I've got you "tacking" in a thread? Are you on Burnt Umber Alert or something? You could just ignore me, it'd be far easier.

I am not pointing fingers at any individual, I would just like to see us all treat each other with some respect and courtesy.
And before anyone pipes up, yes, I know that I am guilty too, I never claimed to be perfect or even better than any of you.
I am still struggling with myself too.

[The One]

If you don't feel you've done anything wrong, why do you feel the need to send me two pms complaining, complain here twice, search for one of my threads that might, if true, possibly alegedly prove a point, and then complain that I've got you "tacking" in a thread? Are you on Burnt Umber Alert or something? You could just ignore me, it'd be far easier.

Anno Anno Anno.

The reason i sent you a pm is because i could not believe what you posted about me for all to see .If you had stated in the thread and made it clear that you dont think all my things are fake then it would have been much different.


search for one of my threads that might, if true, possibly alegedly prove a point,

And so could this thread. Just pointing out that your thread could just be as nonsense that you think this is


I suggest we leave it there Anno :kiss:

[cheez_2806]

I played the video this way - quickly hitting the play and stop button so I don't see the film in its continuous form but snap shots.

If it was a made up video using equipments - I only can think of a projector of somesort...what else is there?? helicoptor helping?? but there's no wind...
I don't think its a projector because in the snapshots, when it came down, there was a spotlight like area on the ground before it landed and the light wasn't projected on the walls, the light was on the ground so that would be in the correct position if it was coming from the sky. And when it left it took of to the right there was a very very quick flash on the far top left side of that strip of wall.
If some sort of projector was used, there wouldn't be the light on the ground wouldn't it be on the wall first and even when it left it shouldn't leave the light on the far top left corner.
Unless it was re-edited after filming....

or the whole thing could be edited...
It's a pretty fine edit if it is a made up video~

the time on the video seemed to be like it was sometime around 3 to 4 am???

[The One]

Also i am no expert at this someone may be able to clarify

It looked like it picked something up. Look closely and when it hits the ground something is there on the ground and then its gone and you can see the pole behind. Like a person lying on the ground mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[cheez_2806]

Also i am no expert at this someone may be able to clarify

It looked like it picked something up. Look closely and when it hits the ground something is there on the ground and then its gone and you can see the pole behind. Like a person lying on the ground mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

where where?? is it the long white streak underneath its body??

[ThePythonicCow]

I would just like to see us all treat each other with some respect and courtesy.
Well, it surprises myself to see myself agreeing with Lord Sidious on this thread, and I'm in no position to second his suggestion, since I started this fracas ... but well said M'Lord :) :cow: :).

[Seikou-Kishi]

Also i am no expert at this someone may be able to clarify

It looked like it picked something up. Look closely and when it hits the ground something is there on the ground and then its gone and you can see the pole behind. Like a person lying on the ground mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It looked very false to me (but I'm certainly no expert). If you look at it landing and then flying off, it didn't look like a natural image, but more like a false image that was being rotated to look like it was changing direction (as it darts off to the side). It looked like the same kind of "rotate and exit" animations that you can find in powerpoint, never mind video editing software.

[Ruby L.]

Hmmm- I didn't see a person in the area the being lands in, initially, The One. But, after you mentioned it (and multiple views after) I think I see what you're describing-- though, I see it's off to the left of the creature.

However, the witness of the story makes no mention of a person being there, or pounced on by the mysterious being. Only that something dropped down and flew right off.
Perhaps, if a body is there, it's for CGI marking purposes?

Just had a thought:
Maybe the winged being is supposed to be a Garuda, also a national emblem of Indonesia (and Thailand). Not saying that the footage is real, but just commenting that the appearance of a winged being, to Indonesians (and SE Asians) thinking, wouldn't be too far fetched. That would make the video doubly effective to the locals, too.

It was also supposedly taped on September 11th... maybe playing on people's superstitions?

Still, I think it's a CGI-er practicing their skills. Fun to look through and muse over, anyway!

Garuda:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9mf8qayfC1qzix81o1_400.jpg


The Garuda is a large mythical bird or bird-like creature that appears in both Hindu and Buddhist mythology. It's depicted as having the golden body of a strong man with a white face, red wings, an eagle's beak, with a crown on his head.

Garuda is known as the eternal sworn enemy of the Nāga serpent race and known for feeding exclusively on snakes.

The image of Garuda is often used as the charm or amulet to protect the bearer from snake attack and its poison, since the king of birds is an implacable enemy and "devourer of serpent".

Garudi Vidya is the mantra against snake poison to remove all kinds of evil.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda)

[777]

I would just like to see us all treat each other with some respect and courtesy.
Well, it surprises myself to see myself agreeing with Lord Sidious on this thread, and I'm in no position to second his suggestion, since I started this fracas ... but well said M'Lord :) :cow: :).

No it wasn't your fault Paul, what you said made much sense in response to my first post. Please accept my apologies for the derailment that roused you into action.

Much love my brother from another mother.

[Arrowwind]

Inelia says that angels with wings do exist!

well certainly then, it must be true!

[Lord Sidious]

Inelia says that angels with wings do exist!

well certainly then, it must be true!


I can tell you for a fact they exist.
Highway 81.


http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/hells_angels_lo_1288197146.jpg

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/public/php/resize.php?id/69453/w/300/h/225/site_1_rand_162766579_hells_angels_3003_b_aap.jpg

http://www.gambling911.com/files/publisher/Hells-Angels-Australia.jpg?0

The Big Red Machine.

[onawah]

Thanks for your comments MS, I have been more critical these days than helpful, and I will back off. I guess I was feeling the Mods were not being heard about quality of content, so it might have to be up to old forum members to try and set a higher standard than we have seen of late, but it doesn't seem to be working.
This comment especially hit a chord with me: "I would like to suggest that the mods "move" posts to more appropriate sub-forums, that is for sure....it has gotten teriribly un-tidy and cluttered around here, and some people just cannot figure out/discern where to post the things they want to share. Shoot, I even miss some really good posts because they get pushed down the line by the huge volume that we see now-a-days."
That has also been my experience. Few real discussions and the interesting ones are hard to find because of all the clutter.


Do forgive me, but I just gotta get this off my chest.....

I do not think that it is fair that this thread has been disrupted and literally trolled to death. Can we stop now?

We were talking about Angels like Aliens, right? It was picking up pace, I thought, and could have come to some very interesting discussion on the like of Angels-vs-ETs or Angels in general. Obviously, there are some people who came to the thread because of its title and who posted with interest.

As to what any of you think this forum should or should not be about, that should be discussed with Bill, who probably right now would just as soon see most of our threads instantly thrown out the window anyway, being that he seems to have a whole new perspective and focus on what he thinks is his mission is and where he is focusing his energies.

Could I name a few threads that I think are just space-suckers? You bet I could! Someone might even think that the Sun Stuff What's Up! is one of those. And if the day came that Bill or admin or mod asked me to not post that info anymore, I would stop, if it were no longer in the intrest of the Forum owner/members.

I will admit that there are quite a few threads that I do not read, that their titles just do not interest me in the least, but I will not go there and gripe about the OPs decision to have posted; that is just not my right nor business. I even rarely voice my opinion on much of anything anyone posts unless I am just greatly driven to do so. I am learning. I am not the teacher, here. And I do try to discern when I post something. I tend to be very indecisive and diffident of critisism. But in real life, I am a teacher, and try to post useful or at least interesting/curious information. Some of my threads have arroused interest, others have been complete flops. But I think that is normal. I know not everyone has to like what I like, nor cares about stolen US bonds seized in Italy , or some Boeing employee spilling the beans about Nasa stuff.

My dad used to say, "Everyone has an opinion. Some sink and some don't." So here's mine:

I would like to suggest that the mods "move" posts to more appropriate sub-forums, that is for sure....it has gotten teriribly un-tidy and cluttered around here, and some people just cannot figure out/discern where to post the things they want to share. Shoot, I even miss some really good posts because they get pushed down the line by the huge volume that we see now-a-days.

I suggest that a BIG announcement be made as to what kind of information is accepted/not accepted on this forum....conspiracy? actuality? music? astrology charts? long distance Reiki? friendly thank-yous? gossip? want-to-be-whistleblowers? dare I say, TRUTH? because I don't know anymore...at times I am truely afraid to post....afraid to be criticized....to be tagged. And it ain't too much fun feeling that way.

And I too am a very old member of Avalon. Was WiNaDeYo, and helped Baggywrinkle, Marian the Librarian, Tez, et al establish the Library. Any of you remember those days?? Days of survival groups and Ground Crews?? And yet, I have remained and have had no problem with the flow of new ideas and energies as this place has literally morphed several times. So please, some of you want to bring this forum into shape? Then roll you darn sleeves up and get to work and don't jump into people's faces over a true-or-fake video fling that only leads to hard feelings and upset stomachs.

End of rant. Peace and good will to all..

[onawah]

I also believe in magical things, Carmen. I recently took a workshop presented by a photographer who finds fairies and nature spirits in her photos, and I believe in angels and benevolent ETs and Wicca and much more. I've just been concerned about the forum lately because it seems to be sliding downhill.
But I think I'm going to give up my role on the unofficial Mod Squad, and if I can't find anything that interests me, I'm just going to move on.
But I still think members are too unappreciative of the jobs that the Mods do, particularly since they are following Bill Ryan's guidelines and this is his forum, after all.
I think he would probably like the idea of an intermediate thread where doubtful info can be posted and approved/disapproved before going any further.


Well, call me fanciful, I think it is a delightful clip. I loved it. And when I get to be an angel I'm going to have wings! :rolleyes: I have also taken many orb photos into the darkness and picked up beings that look like fairies with wings as well as orbs. So, I think some people just like to rubbish anything outside of their box of belief, especially if it's something magical. Logic and intellect destroys anything magical and different!

[the trojan]

Also i am no expert at this someone may be able to clarify

It looked like it picked something up. Look closely and when it hits the ground something is there on the ground and then its gone and you can see the pole behind. Like a person lying on the ground mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

where where?? is it the long white streak underneath its body??

I dont know about a pole or anything on the ground but there is a definite horizontal thin black line at the point of impact which suggests to me a drawn guideline.or a symmetrical split in the 'figure'..if you download and pause,it is really clear for a couple of seconds...at 7 seconds and 8 seconds
I will not be dissecting it again,because I love it.I was an animation student and understand the 3d process and the whole video is based on suggestion,there is the suggestion of a figure and suggestion of a light burst and a landing and it tickles me.
Its like for example the movie ,the incredible hulk by Ang Lee,when people saw the hulk for the first time,they argued about its realism,whereas I just thought,a big green guy would look like...a big green guy....
All of the motion involved is pure superhero landing cliche.Even my kids know what that is.....Its a great wee piece.

[onawah]

Regarding my posts on the Channeled Information subforum that The One finds objectionable apparently, I would just like to point out that that forum has a caveat already attached to it which states:
"Project Avalon and Bill Ryan do not endorse the information presented in this section
and accepts no responsibility for psychological, spiritual or metaphysical effects
either negative or positive to individuals who read these threads.
User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
be provided so that readers may follow up on the authenticity of the message and/or messenger"

So readers are forewarned that the material being posted there may not be authentic or ring true for them.
I think it would be useful to have another sub forum with a similar heading for doubtful material such as youtube videos that may so easily be faked (of which there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands)
For example, if members think there might be enough truth in an article by Sorcha Faal, a known CIA disinfo agent, to make it worth posting anyway, then it would go into that subforum. Perhaps that source and other known disinfo agents could actually be named in the caveat, given the number of articles by him that keep on turning up here, and the number of times that a Mod or watchful member has felt compelled to point out the dubiousness of the source.

As to the channeled info subforum, I think that a lot of the stuff posted there is not authentic, but I only post what I think is authentic there.
I don't post stuff that I think may be inauthentic, but that others might think might be true.
I don't think that posting material that might mislead others is doing them a service.

If I'm in doubt as to the veracity of information on PA, there is a chance that there will be verification or debunking from someone with connections to those "in the know" such as whistleblowers or experts in their fields of knowledge, though not so much of late.
PA's usefulness in helping to change the world is what attracted me to it.
That's a unique quality I don't enjoy seeing becoming diluted by material that is extraneous to that central purpose.

I rarely post anything just for "entertainment".
There is already so much of that on the Net.

And I came here because there didn't used to be so much of the bickering and name calling and profanity that is showing up here more of late.
PA is in a decline, and it's sad. I keep hoping though.

[The One]

I am now asking the mods to close this thread

I never thought for one moment that this thread would cause such a stir if i did i would never have posted it.

Some members like it some members didnt,I also think that some members could have used a little more discretion.It became more of a tick for tack thread than anything else.

We truly have a lot to learn even me.The more i know makes me realise the more i dont know :kiss:

[ThePythonicCow]

Argh - this thread went downhill the last five hours.

Good idea to request closing it, The One.

:closed:

[ThePythonicCow]

I have removed a half dozen posts that occurred in the last few hours of this thread (prior to its closing.) A couple of the posts that I removed were insulting, and the other posts I removed were replies or objections thereto.