Using your Loaf

[DoubleHelix]

Following an enlightening conversation, I receieved an urge to create a thread and expand on some views that were discussed, so here we go.. Do the citizens of the "awakened" community use enough discernment when digesting information from certain sources? Why should one person's truth be swallowed up as factual information whereas anothers may be laughed off as unimportant. I hear some of you saying "Well we learn to trust sources through their track record and reputation" which is a very good point indeed. However, does that mean that every word they give birth to or stand behind should be held in the same esteem?

I think most will find that the majority of people aren't used to thinking for themselves, a common sympton that's developed from a life full of conditioning. With that considered, there comes a time in everyone's life where they have to go outside and smell the flowers. Placing people on pedestals seems to be a common-place error that occurs throughout the forum world, should we not question and scrutunize every word given by even our most reputable sources? An observation I've noticed on this very forum is that when particular sources are questioned on the validity of their information, then the brigade of followers jumps in to silence the dissenting voice "how dare you second guess so and so.."

I often think of the famous Buddha quote "place no head above your own" when reviewing any source attempting to convey factual information. Living in a time where deception runs rife, how can one person's truth outweigh the truth of another? It's merely the "perspective" they've reached after studying the material provided. Are we not human-beings who are prone to making mistakes? I guess the message I'm trying to convey here is that nothing should be taken at face value, every source should be subject to in-depth scrutiny (regardless of their reputation or fan-base) and that people should learn to efficiently use their god-given right, discernment.

I challenge every member to use their own loaf.

(This is not an attack on any person, group or source. Merely an observation)

Have a good day.

-Jack.

[ThePythonicCow]

My guess is that yes, we all need to use our individual discernment, but that no, that's not enough.

We're trying to solve a very difficult problem here. We're trying to improve our understanding of a variety of subjects, some of which are really difficult, some of which are really controversial, and some of which have deliberate distractions and disinformation introduced by those who find power in our ignorance.

We benefit from the best we can each provide to others, individually, and to the group and forum dynamics, collectively, as well as each of us assuming individual responsibility for our own discernment.

Success occurs between us, and amongst us, as well as within us.

[DoubleHelix]

My guess is that yes, we all need to use our individual discernment, but that no, that's not enough.

We're trying to solve a very difficult problem here. We're trying to improve our understanding of a variety of subjects, some of which are really difficult, some of which are really controversial, and some of which have deliberate distractions and disinformation introduced by those who find power in our ignorance.

We benefit from the best we can each provide to others, individually, and to the group and forum dynamics, collectively, as well as each of us assuming individual responsibility for our own discernment.

Success occurs between us, and amongst us, as well as within us.

Thanks for the reply Paul, I agree with everything you said and also appreciate the benefits of collective cooperation. However, I believe you may have missed a couple of the finer points.

Personal discernment should be practised at all times by all parties. The problem arises where individuals aimlessly follow others they hold in high regard meanwhile disregarding there own intuition, knowledge and insights. Irrespective of their status within the alternative community, one person's said truth should never override that of anothers!

A fundamental part to becoming truly awakened requires one to embrace their inquisitive nature, so shouldn't members be encouraged, not discouraged, to question any material that's forthcoming regardless of who delivers it? The pack mentality exists among us where not enough are using their own minds to find their own truth, whatever that may be.

"There is no one right way to evolve or pursue your soul's path. It is up to you to choose whatever is best for you" - Sanaya Roman.

[Tony]

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If we don't question a poster in whom we are interested, we will only get a superficial understanding of that subject.

Speaking as a poster, one tries not to put too much on, or it may become boring, but there is always much more to discuss. There is something very important in the questioning, which could reveal more information.
The interaction between poster and questioner seems to have the almost of magical effect of opening up a subject - I am in fact very grateful for people asking questions because it pushes my understanding to its limits (and a little bit beyond...).
It is also important as there may be a third party observing the interaction who might be grateful for that questioning.

Through questioning, we may be sure that the loaf is fully baked...as opposed to half baked...!;)

[Terra]

Hi DoubleHelix,

Thank you for the thread. Yesterday I started writing and researching for a similiar kind of post but with less accent on discernment but more to do with helping create chinese whispers based on disinformation.

Right now, the way I see it, people are waking in their masses, not through just us, but mostly through their own experiences and "moral compasses". They are all now researching too, and they are arriving here in numbers. Avalon has become a focal point, thanks to Bill, the good work of the mods, and also you lovely lot. But, are we not also frightening some of them away when they find us, by some of the sheer rubbish being slapped about? It makes me wonder if we are actually creating a worse name for ourselves by buying into it all and spreading it back out like a disease, repelling these new friends at a time they may need our help and guidance most.

We know that some (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/) governments have stuck a big fat wad of cash on the table for various agencies to bombard us with nonsense and disinfo. It seems to me that they have already made have a big impact. Over the last year especially.


“In this battlefield, popular perceptions and rumour are more influential than facts and more powerful than a hundred tanks.”
- David Kilcullen, Fundamentals of Company-Level Counterinsurgency


“When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.”
― Sun Tzu

They only need to write a few creative articles, pop them up on a well visited website and we will do their work for them by buying into it and spreading it like wildfire.

Thank you to those people that do persevere, those that can see through the shams. You have helped me learn much, as I am also guilty of getting caught up in it too. We live, we learn, but we don’t keep stick our hand back into the same flame.

I'm off to do a bit of fishing whilst it's still light.

Good day to you all.

Peace

[the trojan]

there are only about 500 active posters here.
we are not waking up any populace do the math 500 among the population of even my home town is nothing!
we are sharing information among us
there are only about 500 active posters here and that is a generous number,based on some computer generated total.
And I may add that the information and knowledge base is not as up to date as it likes to think it is.

double helix is making a fine fine point here.
there are statements to be made in regard to the hero worship and loyalty scenarios and coteries which are played out here every day
And there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade,instead,good minds ,are trying to call out that spade without upsetting anyones fragility.
And then calling a spade a spade turns into a pamphlet ,then a book,then a movement then a dvd then a.........................................................

[conk]

As kids we are taught that truth is solid, unquestionable. A fact, not to be disputed. Older now, we learn the truth is nebulous, concrete for me and fuzzy for you. Often just perception. If everything is an illusion or the universe is infinite, is not everything and every thought true? Gulp, or false?

[thunder24]

many pEruse the threads that are not members....


there are only about 500 active posters here.
we are not waking up any populace do the math 500 among the population of even my home town is nothing!
we are sharing information among us
there are only about 500 active posters here and that is a generous number,based on some computer generated total.
And I may add that the information and knowledge base is not as up to date as it likes to think it is.

double helix is making a fine fine point here.
there are statements to be made in regard to the hero worship and loyalty scenarios and coteries which are played out here every day
And there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade,instead,good minds ,are trying to call out that spade without upsetting anyones fragility.
And then calling a spade a spade turns into a pamphlet ,then a book,then a movement then a dvd then a.........................................................



DH,

great thread dude. Way to much Creature Worship and not enough shedding of the layers off the onion...

Way more discernment needed.

And thats my small "pinch" off the loaf........hahhahahhahhhhLOL

PEACE

[58andfixed]

I have found that my very own loaf sometimes gets over-baked, or even burned.

Sometimes getting duped is the only way I can learn a lesson.

Having a well intentioned recipe can help get me back on track, however it's not the recipe that is at fault.

I think it's in the hands of the "baker." :)

- 58

[Mike]

'discernment' is so ambiguous a word in the alt/conspiracy community that it's rendered practically meaningless.

i mean, we all can discern an airplane from a car and a rock from a cat, but how does one discern between David Icke - a man who believes in a race of shape-shifting baby-eating reptiles, and someone like Bill Deagle - a guy who claims to be a direct blood descendant of Jesus and also claims to speak to God the way you or i speak to friends and family.

how can one who favors Icke question the 'discernment' of one who favors Deagle? and vice-versa. they're equally as outrageous!

now i'm just using these 2 men as examples. i've received valuable info from both, but i think you get the point.

and the point is: it's very difficult to spot outrageousness when you're drowning in it. impossible maybe. there are some clear-cut cases where 'discernment' can be exercised - and it must be - but when someone who channels "Arduk" from the "Galactic Federation" tells me my radar is askew because i support Duncan O' Finoan, i have to laugh!

this is truly not meant to insult anybody here, it's just that relative to what most would consider 'reality', almost everything on this site is completely crazy!. trying to distinguish/'discern' between Henry Deacon and David Wilcock is like splitting hairs.

thing is, while we can all agree on what 'discernment' means, we'll never fully agree on how to apply it. case in point was 'the one's' recent thread on the angel/light phenomenon seen from the perspective of a mall camera. one only has to skim that thread to see my point.

[Mike]

i would like to add though that it is an interesting topic to discuss, and i am in no way marginalizing the o.p.'s choice of topic here.

i just re-read what i wrote and i could see how one might get that impression.

[mosquito]

In a nutshell -

People believe what they want to believe.

[christian]

Why should one person's truth be swallowed up as factual information whereas anothers may be laughed off as unimportant. [...] An observation I've noticed on this very forum is that when particular sources are questioned on the validity of their information, then the brigade of followers jumps in to silence the dissenting voice "how dare you second guess so and so."

It's against the boardrules to denigrate particular threads and members, but I really do wonder what you are referring to. I don't see this kind of stupidity on Avalon, everyone who would act so, would just be laughed at.


I hear some of you saying "Well we learn to trust sources through their track record and reputation". [...] Should we not question and scrutunize every word given by even our most reputable sources?

Bill's recent California thread is a good example of this. People trust him because of the work he did and encourage him to speak out, but still they question and scrutinize. Haven't you seen this?

I think you barked up the wrong tree here, except for your final statement, with which I agree completly:


I often think of the famous Buddha quote "place no head above your own" when reviewing any source attempting to convey factual information. Living in a time where deception runs rife, how can one person's truth outweigh the truth of another? It's merely the "perspective" they've reached after studying the material provided. Are we not human-beings who are prone to making mistakes? I guess the message I'm trying to convey here is that nothing should be taken at face value, every source should be subject to in-depth scrutiny (regardless of their reputation or fan-base) and that people should learn to efficiently use their god-given right, discernment.

[ViralSpiral]

there are only about 500 active posters here.
we are not waking up any populace do the math 500 among the population of even my home town is nothing!
we are sharing information among us
there are only about 500 active posters here and that is a generous number,based on some computer generated total.
And I may add that the information and knowledge base is not as up to date as it likes to think it is.

double helix is making a fine fine point here.
there are statements to be made in regard to the hero worship and loyalty scenarios and coteries which are played out here every day
And there is a reluctance to call a spade a spade,instead,good minds ,are trying to call out that spade without upsetting anyones fragility.
And then calling a spade a spade turns into a pamphlet ,then a book,then a movement then a dvd then a.........................................................


I get your point. Could you not also see the 500 active posters as representation of a greater number of people "discerning"?. We should never expect Mrs Suburbia, rallying around 5 kids, to spend much time here. But is she not aware and awake?

Observing over the years, I realize that even some of those I trusted? Part of the deception plan....
Obviously not all.

/is off to butter her toast....... which side?



;)

[Lord Sidious]

Why should one person's truth be swallowed up as factual information whereas anothers may be laughed off as unimportant. [...] An observation I've noticed on this very forum is that when particular sources are questioned on the validity of their information, then the brigade of followers jumps in to silence the dissenting voice "how dare you second guess so and so."

It's against the boardrules to denigrate particular threads and members, but I really do wonder what you are referring to. I don't see this kind of stupidity on Avalon, everyone who would act so, would just be laughed at.



Well, I have seen it. In fact, I have even been involved where people are trying to ridicule others on threads.
Have a look around, you will find these types of posts/threads.

[DoubleHelix]

It's against the boardrules to denigrate particular threads and members, but I really do wonder what you are referring to. I don't see this kind of stupidity on Avalon, everyone who would act so, would just be laughed at.

The "boardrules" aren't exactly black and white, leniency to let certain things fly occurs all the time. The mods do what they can so this is where the responsibility falls upon the individual. And yes it happens, probably more than you would like to think.


I think you barked up the wrong tree here

Woof Woof. I respectfully disagree.

[58andfixed]

In a simpler world .... :

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsav3t0Pj41qz4th4o1_500.jpg

- 58

[christian]

It's against the boardrules to denigrate particular threads and members, but I really do wonder what you are referring to.

The "boardrules" aren't exactly black and white, leniency to let certain things fly occurs all the time. The mods do what they can so this is where the responsibility falls upon the individual.

By quoting the guidelines, I wanted to imply, that I'd like to ask you to point at what you perceived as nuggetry.
But that would be against the guidelines, to talk negatively in one thread about another thread or some member - for a good reason, I find, issues should be adressed where they are. Otherwise it's like seeing a problem somewhere, but instead of offering help, walking away from it and gossiping about it somewhere else.

[WhiteFeather]

Discernment is most important and has values to learn from each others perceptions. I simply keep the info that resonates within, and disregard any info if it doesn't resonate with me. Its really that simple. Its all about your intuition. I do value everyone's info and ideas on these posts, and appreciate this awesome think tank on P.A.

[QUOTE=Are we not human-beings who are prone to making mistakes? [/QUOTE]

PS Who said we were human. Alex Collier said we have 22 different species of ET DNA in our system and are considered royalty in the universe. Are we human? Or just primitive aliens. Just a thought.