I Ask that Love and Gratitude be Reinstated on Avalon

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Through some misunderstanding Love & Gratitude (our sister member) has been banned from Avalon. I am asking for your support in allowing her to be reinstated. I feel this is important not only to me but to the Avalon community at large and this is why I am asking for it today.

Since she has always offered a great balancing influence over all of us ~ I wanted to ask that her presence be allowed once again to offer these gifts to us. Since I do not possess powers myself, to see that this is done, I am asking for your support. When such wonderful attributes we all share or hope to share with our peers and family members ~ as Love and Gratitude is banned, it is not a good omen for any of us and especially not in the Avalon community. In fact, I take this meaning literally and feel it's being banned as well.

Without going into any discourse or discussion on how this happened ~ which certainly cannot stand in the light of day and is not necessary, in any event, to my purpose here which is towards love and enlightenment and self-empowerment, I'd like to simply ask that this banning action be undone at the earliest convenience by those who have the power to change this.

While the Spirituality Forum and particularly the Channeling part of it is not one of the most popular on Avalon and I find the disclaimer to be distasteful, these things are not under my control. Neither, I will admit is the reinstatement of Love and Gratitude but while one is under the control of Bill Ryan, as creator, and it's his right to express his personal beliefs and opinions, the banning of Love and Gratitude is not acceptable to me nor should it be acceptable to any others who have an appreciation for the values she adds to our community and I ask that this ban be undone and that she be reinstated as soon as possible. If this can happen to her, it can happen to anyone including you and me in the heat of passion rather than love and reason. And it is now, in this present moment, that we are being called to a higher purpose and to work in greater unity together not less. Let us do this together now.

I thank everyone kindly for their support in this matter of great importance to me. And so it is...

[Calz]

2nd that vote.

I understand members are more sensitive to some issues than others (as normally the case with all humanity).

Love&Grat had (has) a passion for a topic (or two) but has certainly brought much to Avalon's table.

Perhaps Love, Gratitude and *Compassion* should be considered in this (and some other) case(s).

I don't normally jump into the fire with these types of issues (above my paygrade) but will offer a "vote" in this case.

IMHO

[cheez_2806]

what is going on??

another ban....Cheesuz....

[Ian Gordon]

I have valued some of love and gratitudes inputs on various threads, whilst not knowing the reasons for the ban, I feel I cannot demand reinstatement although love and gratitudes presences is missed, I can and do however fully back a review of these actions to ensure fair play and second chances are given when appropriate.

[learninglight]

We can all run of the rails at times thats human nature, so if the bans lifted i too would welcome 'loveandgratitude' back with open arms....if its possible to do this im sure it would be done:)
but as i dont know the ins and outs of the ban i leave it in the hands of the admin staff:)

much love

[PurpleLama]

I also usually avoid these kinds of threads, but in this particular case I must say that I agree with Darla. L&G is a member much valued and her ban is a sore loss, IMHO.

[Omni]

I like L&G. I'd like to see her back, but I don't run this forum and I've been trying to avoid any dissonance like the plague. I didn't witness what happened, but I feel she's a valued (former atm)member here. I can't say I'm a better judge on what happened than L&G or whoever banned her(bill?). I'm curious what triggered it, for nothing else to review to show people what not to do so no more future members who have been here for a very long time and have lots of friends can be banned, or prevention anyway. I don't ever remember L&G flaming anyone or treating anyone bad, but I've been in my bunker for the last like 2 weeks. lol...

Anyway I support and agree with parts of your post darla and respect your standing up for your friend(L&G is a friend of mine too, not super close but i like her), but I also have an angle of what Ian said. As someone who didn't witness what happened I don't feel I'm a adequate judge of what transpired. But like I said my personal opinion is I'd like to see her back if possible...

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, loveandgratitude has been a valued member here. As I stated at http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30758-Unafraid-to-speak-the-truth&p=315419&viewfull=1#post315419:
loveandgratitude is indefinitely suspended. Further details are between the mod team and her.
In situations such as this, it would be both a violation of someone's privacy, and completely unfair, for the mod team to present its detailed views, concerns, history, evidence, ... in some one sided way to justify its actions.

I guess I can say this one more detail: loveandgratitude's future status remains in her hands.

[Lisab]

I really dont understand. I cant imagine Love and Gratitude causing any trouble and Ive been on almost everyday, havnt seen anything. Hope we can work this out. Bit worried about my own posts now! I made a joke about the pope earlier. Is pope bashing allowed?!!LOL.

Seriously though will miss Love's posts. Hope she's ok.

[Lettherebelight]

I can't imagine why anyone with such a wonderful name could be banned. It sounds to me like a misunderstanding. As Paul has said, her return is in her hands.

I hope we have not offended Love. I hope we have not offended Gratitude. I hope that Love and Gratitude will always have a place here at Avalon.

I don't know what the issue was, but perhaps we need to hear her message? Maybe we need to listen on a deeper level...

[ThePythonicCow]

Is pope bashing allowed?!!LOL.
I sure hope so; I've probably bashed him myself somewhere along the way.

If we have a problem, we let people know. You'd have plenty of warning.

[buckminster fuller]

If it was a private matter between the mods and her, why would she be banned..? Her behavior didn't affect the forum negatively, in no way... Another stone that muddies avalon waters a bit further. To be really fair, you should have provided her with a tribune to defend herself publically. People of great value have been banned from this forum for political reasons, I know we're all meant to be aware that this forum is a private area, that we are guests here, but it is the users of this forum that make it what it is, ban or no ban ahead that is... When exposing someone as being guilty of ...???? , you could at least try to be fair to the person and not act in such an oligarchical way. That is if you have some criticism toward the system we live in...

Peace

[ThePythonicCow]

to show people what not to do so no more future members who have been here for a very long time and have lots of friends can be banned, or prevention anyway
Many of us, myself certainly included, have posted things that we would not have posted in our wiser moments.

That does not earn an indefinite or other potentially long term suspension (I'd be among the permanently banned if it did.)

As I noted to another member above, we give plenty of warnings of our concerns. This usually includes shorter "vacations" if the warnings aren't communicating. And even the most "permanent" ban can be reversed, if that seems like the right thing to do.

[ThePythonicCow]

If it was a private matter between the mods and her, why would she be banned..? Her behavior didn't affect the forum negatively, in no way...
Suspensions usually involve negative affects to the forum. Offhand, I can think of no case to the contrary. You'd have to work --really-- hard to get suspended just on the basis of private communications with the mods.

What's private involves the specifics, including perhaps posts no longer visible and/or assertions of intent to continue such posting, depending on the case (I'm not claiming that these particulars apply in this case.)

you could at least try to be fair to the personWe do.

[markoid]

I do hope Love and Gratitude comes back too if it is up to her. I have always found her contributions to be well put together and comprehensive and her demeanor is kind and supportive of others when appropriate. So much so I was flabbergasted to see her banned.... I don't read everything on the board so didn't see anything brewing that would have led to this. That said I do admire the unenviable job that the mods do to keep such a busy forum running smoothly, and it seems to me, fairly. If the decision to come back is up to Love and Gratitude... then it's all good.... her choice.

[<8>]

Yes, loveandgratitude has been a valued member here. As I stated at http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30758-Unafraid-to-speak-the-truth&p=315419&viewfull=1#post315419:
loveandgratitude is indefinitely suspended. Further details are between the mod team and her.
In situations such as this, it would be both a violation of someone's privacy, and completely unfair, for the mod team to present its detailed views, concerns, history, evidence, ... in some one sided way to justify its actions.

I guess I can say this one more detail: loveandgratitude's future status remains in her hands.

Can you please clarify Paul, dont loveandgratitude want the things she and mods talkt about to come out, or is it just the mods who dont want??
I ask this because she can't tell us herself here ...

P.s i have no idea what this is about, but i like transparency..thanks..:)

[ThePythonicCow]

Can you please clarify Paul, dont loveandgratitude want the things she and mods talkt about to come out, or is it just the mods who dont want??
I ask this because she can't tell us herself here ...

P.s i have no idea what this is about, but i like transparency..thanks..:)

I know no way to clarify further that's fair to loveandgratitude. Trying someone in absentia doesn't seem right to me.

[fifi]

I don't know the reason of the ban, but thinking back of Love & Gratitude's past contributions to this forum, I really want her to come back. Hopefully L&G and the mods can work this out soon.

[WhiteFeather]

I would love to have her back as well. Such A Great Spirit To Have On This Forum. My Vote Yes.

[Calz]

Can you please clarify Paul, dont loveandgratitude want the things she and mods talkt about to come out, or is it just the mods who dont want??
I ask this because she can't tell us herself here ...

P.s i have no idea what this is about, but i like transparency..thanks..:)

I know no way to clarify further that's fair to loveandgratitude. Trying someone in absentia doesn't seem right to me.

I don't often frequent nexus ... but she is a member there now so I PM'd her a link to this thread.

That is all I will say or do.

[Lily de Cuir]

Well said Darla. Thanks for your post in supporting our sister.

Hoping this can all be sorted out amicably and L + G will be back soon.

L + G, if you are reading, best wishes and crossing fingers for you.

Love Lily:yo:

[aranuk]

I like L&G. I'd like to see her back, but I don't run this forum and I've been trying to avoid any dissonance like the plague. I didn't witness what happened, but I feel she's a valued (former atm)member here. I can't say I'm a better judge on what happened than L&G or whoever banned her(bill?). I'm curious what triggered it, for nothing else to review to show people what not to do so no more future members who have been here for a very long time and have lots of friends can be banned, or prevention anyway. I don't ever remember L&G flaming anyone or treating anyone bad, but I've been in my bunker for the last like 2 weeks. lol...

Anyway I support and agree with parts of your post darla and respect your standing up for your friend(L&G is a friend of mine too, not super close but i like her), but I also have an angle of what Ian said. As someone who didn't witness what happened I don't feel I'm a adequate judge of what transpired. But like I said my personal opinion is I'd like to see her back if possible...

Who is Ian, Omni?

Stan

[Anno]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Who is Ian, Omni?Perhaps Omni is referring to Ian Gordon, author of Post #4, above?

[Pete]

i don't like the idea that any view, should be less valued than another, sometimes unpalatable it always makes you recheck and justify your own point of view. If we are an enlightened forum, then surely we should try to exercise what we preach, unconditional love. to forgive is divine!

[Lily de Cuir]

BUMP BUMP, BUMP....!

Lily

[WhiteFeather]

Speed Bump

[greybeard]

i don't like the idea that any view, should be less valued than another, sometimes unpalatable it always makes you recheck and justify your own point of view. If we are an enlightened forum, then surely we should try to exercise what we preach, unconditional love. to forgive is divine!

Agreeing but we are on an investigative/whistle blower forum not on a primarily spiritual forum.

Originally it was intended that the spiritual section would be member read only. (why I dont know)

The original Avalon had a thriving spiritual section of which I was a member.
Some would not move here because of the attitude then to having a spiritual section.
Partly because of that "The Mists of Avalon" came into being.

Due to the perseverance and persistence of some longterm members the spiritual section is open to all, and it has become one of the most visited areas.
This version of Avalon is only now getting back to the number of member that the original had.

Having said that after all the growing pains and they were considerable, we have a Forum to be proud of.
Compared to some other forums the number of people expelled is very low.

I have no idea of why Love and Gratitude was uninvited therefore no opinion on it.

Chris

[The Arthen]

I can't imagine why anyone with such a wonderful name could be banned. It sounds to me like a misunderstanding. As Paul has said, her return is in her hands.

I hope we have not offended Love. I hope we have not offended Gratitude. I hope that Love and Gratitude will always have a place here at Avalon.

I don't know what the issue was, but perhaps we need to hear her message? Maybe we need to listen on a deeper level...




Quite frankly I wouldn't just judge a person just based on what the name is. That doesn't also automatically mean that all I do is hate.

Don't know what happened on this issue, but I think no matter how bad it was.....at least a 2nd chance should be given.... This is beyond me.......

[ponda]

perspectives...it's all perspectives....one minute i think this...the next minute i think..that....what does it all mean.....the next minute i might think something else.....

[Lily de Cuir]

perspectives...it's all perspectives....one minute i think this...the next minute i think..that....what does it all mean.....the next minute i might think something else.....

................................

Never mind...

[ponda]

perspectives...it's all perspectives....one minute i think this...the next minute i think..that....what does it all mean.....the next minute i might think something else.....



i would like to welcome back Love And Gratitude

[ThePythonicCow]

at least a 2nd chance should be given

It was given ... and then some ... and continues to be given.

(One of the little "joys" of being a moderator ... no matter how patient we are with another member, no matter how many chances we give, there will seemingly always be yet another member plaintively asking why we don't give a second chance ? Oh well.)

[Anchor]

While the Spirituality Forum and particularly the Channeling part of it is not one of the most popular on Avalon and I find the disclaimer to be distasteful, these things are not under my control.

Darla,

Are you in communication with LoveAndGratitude?

If so, my message to L&G would be, if they want to come back, send an email to the administrators and come to terms.

You find the disclaimer about channelling distasteful - in equal measure I find distrust of the moderators implied here (not necessarily your post, but quite a few on this thread) the same.

Its a tired topic and it is divisive and disruptive - but if that's the way this is to be played, then so be it.

John..

[ktlight]

L&G's main thing is to expose the history of Zionism, which includes the history of the Jews. She is passionate about her knowledge. However, whenever she posted something, she would feel under attack from certain Avalon members. This incident arose from such a thing. She denies making a conscious attack on those members. She has been told that she can return provided she does not mention Jews, and she cannot tolerate this. She told me this in a email. She has made communication with the moderators and sent a copy to Bill.

[ThePythonicCow]

She has been told that ...
The moderation team has spent much effort to communicate clearly with loveandgratitude ... however I suspect that both her and us would agree that this effort has not been entirely successful. In other words, what we think we said may not be what she thinks she was told :unsure:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

No member has ever been reinstated due to popularity, petition, or people "voting" for it. The cow made it clear that the subject's membership status is in her own hands.

[Davidallany]

L&G's main thing is to expose the history of Zionism, which includes the history of the Jews. She is passionate about her knowledge. However, whenever she posted something, she would feel under attack from certain Avalon members. This incident arose from such a thing. She denies making a conscious attack on those members. She has been told that she can return provided she does not mention Jews, and she cannot tolerate this. She told me this in a email. She has made communication with the moderators and sent a copy to Bill.

In the affairs of conventional reality, it is of most importance to distinguish between knowledge and wisdom, as these two aspects of conventional realty spring from difference sources, one of them has power over the other. Mistaking them as one can lead to entanglements and great confusion.
Kiv3iNTM4Mo

[Humble Janitor]

If this forum is what it says it is, then no one would ever be banned unless they were blatantly asking for it.

That's all I have to add.

[Anchor]

If this forum is what it says it is, then no one would ever be banned unless they were blatantly asking for it.


The forum has guidelines and these set out the sorts of situation that may result in loosing your posting rights.

I know because I had a hand in writing them. Also they are ->clearly published for all to see (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/faq.php?faq=avalonguidelines#faq_membershipguidelines) <- and looking just now they have not changed much since this version of the forum went live.

Respect is a substantial theme in those guidelines.

John..

[Buck]

Agreeing but we are on an investigative/whistle blower forum not on a primarily spiritual forum.

Yes, this is a community dedicated to discovering the hidden truth of our reality. It is a given (isn't it?) that if your intention is to get to the bottom of things, it will require a vast amount of courage, a willingness and dedication to self actualization (because, after all, as so many of us have stated in a multitude of ways- intention is the sharpest tool in the arsenal), AND willingness to let go of sacred cows. WHATEVER they may be-
Even if it is an attachment to the endless titillation of conspiracies and dark forces :)

And so, Chris, - to Darla's point- where exactly do you see this distinction you are drawing regarding conspiracy theories and whistle blowing, and the hidden truth of our reality? Is spirituality (and all Meta-physics), really, a sub-topic of an investigative/ whistleblower forum? Maybe I give all of us too much credit here, but really- can we not see the inherent absurdity of this arbitrary distinction? Because, IF we are truly dedicated to exposing the truth, then inevitably, eventually, this will lead full circle. We must be prepared to explore our own relationship to the desire to seek the truth, and what truth means and what our role is in manifesting or creating the truth. If we are not ready to face this, we are (lets be candid) merely dilettantes, playing at the game of seeking the 'truth'. I would be very sorry to hear that.

And to the other aspect of this thread- the title topic- bringing back L&G- I see as also directly related to the question of what kind of community are we here? I just assumed there was an intention to create a community that is dedicated to "exposing the truth", and in order to support this extraordinary effort, a very high level of tolerance is maintained regarding emotionally charged topics.

The way I see it there are several members of this community who have very strong opinions about the Jews and many other things. I cannot say that is what I find the most attractive quality of my fellow Avalonians, let's just put it that way :)

I value L&G for her presence and her energy. So she has issues. Who on here doesn't.

I would urge Bill to consider having L&G reinstated. And to Whisky Mystic- It appears to me that this forum, is, in reality, the personal domain of Bill Ryan. It is Bill Ryan who will decide this, either by pro-active involvement or by omission. And Bill strikes me as someone who cares very much what people's opinions and concerns are in this community that he established.

[sirac]

i want love and gratitude reinstated also.
this would be war for me this summation.


funny story about the Palestinians. Remember at close of Old Testament. somehow a Levite finds out the Benjamites are practicing idiolotary. all tribes of Isreal turn on Benjamin. a war of jeoloside. some historics represent on the situation that Benjamin would have escaped using Palestinian transport....as they were still there that time on the coast.
what eventually happened to Benjamin probably places them high up on structure orders in world politics.
i think that if Love and Gratitude gave a Pro-Palestinian (i mean, don't some of our posters to show there own fellness, represent themselves as coming from Palestine?, i would have done it, except it was already done) views.....then so what.
that anything is pro one side whatever. that shows illuminati. sorry boys

[ThePythonicCow]

The forum has guidelines and these set out the sorts of situation that may result in loosing your posting rights.

I know because I had a hand in writing them. ...

Respect is a substantial theme in those guidelines.

Good work, John. Thanks. The forum's guidelines have held up well.

[ktlight]

The forum has guidelines and these set out the sorts of situation that may result in loosing your posting rights.

I know because I had a hand in writing them. ...

Respect is a substantial theme in those guidelines.

Good work, John. Thanks. The forum's guidelines have held up well.

Respect is two-way, not one-way.

[greybeard]

Hi Buck
Quote
"And so, Chris, - to Darla's point- where exactly do you see this distinction you are drawing regarding conspiracy theories and whistle blowing, and the hidden truth of our reality? Is spirituality (and all Meta-physics), really, a sub-topic of an investigative/ whistleblower forum? Maybe I give all of us too much credit here, but really- can we not see the inherent absurdity of this arbitrary distinction? Because, IF we are truly dedicated to exposing the truth, then inevitably, eventually, this will lead full circle. We must be prepared to explore our own relationship to the desire to seek the truth, and what truth means and what our role is in manifesting or creating the truth. If we are not ready to face this, we are (lets be candid) merely dilettantes, playing at the game of seeking the 'truth'. I would be very sorry to hear that. "
End quote

Chris replies.

I agree with what you are saying Burke but can only speak for me.
I endeavor not to take sides, that does not mean I lack compassion for the people involved in the situation.

There are various levels of spiritual awakening and understanding on the forum and thats as it should be because all contribute in their own way.
Everybody does the best they can without exception.

Regards Chris

[DoubleHelix]

Chris replies.

I agree with what you are saying Burke but can only speak for me.
I endeavor not to take sides, that does not mean I lack compassion for the people involved in the situation.

There are various levels of spiritual awakening and understanding on the forum and thats as it should be because all contribute in their own way.
Everybody does the best they can without exception.

Regards Chris

Hey Chris,

I really admire your ability to take the high road in every situation. I think we could all learn a thing or two from you.

Cheers

-Jack.

[araucaria]

Respect is two-way, not one-way.

Respect is not two-way either, it is multi-way. In a forum situation, you are always go to tread on someone's toes, no matter how hard you try.

[ktlight]

Respect is two-way, not one-way.

Respect is not two-way either, it is multi-way. In a forum situation, you are always go to tread on someone's toes, no matter how hard you try.

aracaria, I was trying not to be pedantic, eg. moderators decide and respectfully implement the decision.